Eradicate Misery

00:00 I'm always confused. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Look at... I'm sorry. Sorry. What was that? That was a mistake. I messed it up. Alright, give me another cue. 10, 9, hit it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, January 12, 2014. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 582. This is no agenda. Looking over here when told to look over at FEMA Region 6 here at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Texas. Good morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're looking nowhere, I'm John C. Dvorak.

00:48 I don't know. They're telling me to look over here, there, somewhere else. Never, never look in the... We don't start looking for stuff for another, what, two weeks? Oh, for the six-week cycle you mean? Yeah, it's coming up. Well, no, it's... And I'm, by the way, totally convinced it's gonna be in Indianapolis. Okay, well, do you recall one of your predictions for 2014? No. The end of the six-week cycle? Oh yeah, right. Well I think your prediction is going to come true sooner than you expected my friend. Oh? Yeah, we've been busted. Oh, well we've been busted by a bunch of people. Well this is our producer Matt. He sent me a note, he said, in the morning this morning my 16 month old woke me up at 5.40am to clean his shit filled diaper. So the only thing worth watching on TV was C-SPAN.

01:39 I was only able to get through on the Republican line. Have you seen or heard his outstanding PR moment for the No Agenda show? Yeah, it was quite good. Here's Matt from Reno, Nevada. Republican line, hello. In the morning, I was just calling. I'm a watcher of C-SPAN and also a listener of the show called No Agenda. I'm with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. Right there. Great. Great. It's about time. Finally, finally. And by the way, Matt was calling and the guest on the Washington Journal for the call-in show was the president of the FBI Agents Association, which I think is kind of like a drinking club maybe, John? Is that what that sounds like? It's probably a combination drinking club and an internal lobbying operation. And this guy was very interesting, particularly his answer

02:39 To Matt's question, which I'll play without further interruption. I'm a watcher of C-SPAN and also a listener of the show called No Agenda. I'm with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. They bring up an interesting point a lot in their deconstruction of the media and also what's sort of going on with our FBI and our federal agencies. The guy, by the way, he's looking at the camera like, what? What's this? And they bring up a good point of every six weeks almost. To the week you're on the dot there's some type of FBI sort of bust that goes down and it's been explained too that it's possibly, you know, a cycle that they like to have because otherwise you can't really keep the American people scared. Now when he mentioned the six weeks

03:36 The FBI guy, he squirmed a little. There was some subtle movement. The body language shifted just ever so slightly. I was just wondering what your comments were on that and also is it legal to sort of entrap people with like those guys in Ohio who didn't have the capability or means to actually detonate or set up a bomb on a bridge but were arrested and thrown in jail and the last one's actually just trying to fight for his life. All right, so here's what I would recommend for Matt. And good job, by the way, Matt. That was a complicated example. It probably would have been better if you said, you know, that guy that you hounded for two months and set him up with fake explosives and then made him go to the Wichita airport? That would have been a little easier, more recent example. I think a lot of people have forgotten about the bridge example. But anyway, let's listen, because I think the FBI agent or the president of the Agents Association

04:38 kind of confirmed it. Caller will leave it there. Mr. Tariqi. The FBI investigates thousands of cases with proper media attention to those cases. We like to show the American people what it is that we do to keep them safe and also... Wait a minute, didn't he just agree? Yeah. Didn't he just say, yeah, we like, you know, no, we're keeping you safe, Shittison. and try to show criminals and terrorists that we the FBI are out there. We're boss. I'm not aware of any six-week cycle that you're talking about and I'm not aware of the facts of your case. All that I'll say is the individuals that you referenced were brought through a very regimented legal process with a strict adherence to the Constitution of the United States of America and a jury of their peers will decide whether

05:38 They did what they were accused of doing. Wow. Good job, Matt. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, well maybe you're right. Maybe the six-week cycle would be canned in favor of something a little... You know what they need to do is an offset cycle for a four-seven. You can't go too far because you can't go too long past six weeks. I think that's, I think Matt kind of hit it, which is our thesis, which is you can't, the American public starts to relax. Yeah, exactly. So you got to keep them tense and on edge so they could do But they still have to forget the other one. You know, the six is the magic number. I don't know what they're going to do about it. Maybe they'll just say, screw it, who listens to those idiots? That's probably what's going on right now. Hey boss, I got this call about the six week cycle and who is it? I don't know, are you talking about some dudes? Some guys. We looked it up, it's a stupid podcast. It's a podcast. Wait, are you telling me a podcast you're concerned about anything a podcaster's are doing?

06:38 Did they win any of the podcast awards no, ah, oh, please those guys can't be taken seriously then In San Francisco, I'm going up Gary Street and then two lanes over I hear it in a loud voice, ITM! Yeah, of course. And I look over and it's a guy, it's a cabbie. Oh really? That's cool. Oh wait, was it Tony the Terrorist maybe? I don't think so, I couldn't see him, he was way over, he spotted me somehow. Maybe he was following me, whatever, he was following me. And the San Francisco cab companies on the side there, all those big giant yellow cabs, it says,

07:21 It has their phone number 3 3 3 dash 3 3 3 3. Yeah, what does that tell you? So anyway, so he took off I gave him a thumbs up. That's funny. Were you in the in the Acura Acura? I was in the old Lexus. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you Lexus. Yeah, why do you think an Acura? I don't know. I'm not a Honda person. No. Well, what is Lexus Lexus is Toyota? Yeah. Yeah, that's good car. How old is it? Almost 21 years old. Yeah, I was thinking the other day I said to me Mickey always thinks her car is dangerous because well it is dangerous It's a cardboard box with a Corvette engine because you know, it's meant to have children or you know I don't know stuff in the back. It's a the Ford Expedition Yeah, so if it's just her and it's a little wet. Yeah, you know Yeah, go easy on the corner

08:17 But I said, this is a good car, you know, and but it's 2005. It's uh, it's all it's now nine years old. Yeah, well, it's getting now. Well, here's the weird thing about this old Lexus. Um, there has not been one tail light headlight interior light really has been one bulb that is burned out. 21 years. Wow. That's which it is and I when I see that just they just obviously they can make bulbs that last forever if they want to yeah well we I just replaced a couple bulbs in the kitchen and it's these 38 watt God knows what this but it says on the box 1,000 hours have what is that yeah it says right on the 1,000 hours and it blows up in 1,000 no no blows up around 900 well what are you gonna do about it

09:10 Yeah. Anyway, so that really made my day when I heard that and it just goes to show that it can be done. Well, here's what's going to happen. They probably won't drop the cycle because it would go, I think that our fake conversation was probably pretty accurate. And the other thing is, eh, it's working. You know, they got one or two guys that's made noise. What difference does it make? The public doesn't care. The big media doesn't do anything about it. They're just going to keep lapping this stuff up. Yeah, that's true. But I still think Indianapolis, we had that message from Pelly about the guy in Indianapolis shoveling snow. That was the Mexican in Indianapolis. Yeah, the Mexican in Indianapolis. So wait a minute, this is new. You didn't tell me you thought that the last I recall

09:57 So the six-week cycle, which would kick in around February 1st or 2nd, you were saying possibly Super Bowl, it would be even better because it's at the Meadowlands, which is New Jersey, it's right near New York. No, I've actually specifically said that I don't believe they would attack a sporting event like that because it would hurt business. You can't hurt business. You just want to terrorize the public. Remind them who's boss. Now Indianapolis came up in that report from Scott Pelley where he said this guy in Indianapolis is shoveling snow and it had nothing to do with the report or anything else and it specifically was Indianapolis. And so then I'm watching the PBS show and they have changed, they have this, I was watching the end, it's only the BBC America, they have this little ending where they show this kind of a weird globe and it's kind of just, it's kind of made out of ribbon and it's kind of spinning and there's little cities coming floating around on the screen.

10:58 And then they cut away, they cut away and the thing reappeared and Indianapolis came out into the middle of the screen and slid off to the left. Really? Yeah. Now if anybody's watched this series Rubicon, yeah You would this is the kind of thing that just like it's just code is this use that I mean we don't know anything about how about 33 even works But we do notice these things and this crazy report with this guy's from Indianapolis And I'm seeing Indian that why Indianapolis would come out of this BBC logo is beyond me, but I'm say Suspecting that Indianapolis has got something something's gonna happen in Indianapolis. I

11:39 Okay, well it's a good a place as any. I mean, come on. It's a good middle America. I mean, Wichita, Kansas? I mean, if that's where they're going for, they might as well do Indianapolis. Yeah, well Indianapolis has got a little more going for it than Wichita. Yeah, I'll have to agree. Not much, but... No, no, I've been to both places and I would have to agree Indianapolis has a lot more going for it. But they've got to hurry up because, you know, here's an ask John. Can you tell me what this is? Any ideas? I would suspect that's a food riot. Very close. It is a riot. It is indoors. There are things being thrown, but not food. Laptops, water, shoes.

12:41 That is the Turkish Parliament last week. Where they're fisticuffs, but there are people jumping up on chairs and jumping down on people. This is Turkish Parliament. Yeah, you used to see this in the Taiwanese Parliament. Yeah, but now it's happening in Turkey. There's 20,000 people protested on the streets of Ankara yesterday. Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't see that on CNN? Gee, I wonder. And what is taking place is we I've been keeping my eye very closely on what's happening in Turkey it being the gateway from for Russia and China for Russia for gas for China for the trans-eurasian rail system high-speed rail Of course, there's all kinds of competing interests. There is now talk of and and I found this interesting Erdogan is now being accused of

13:38 trying to stage a civilian coup which I don't quite understand how you can stage a civilian coup I thought a coup was you kind of had to have the army involved I think a coup is a coup well he's already in charge this is what's interesting so what's how can he what's he gonna do I'm taking over from myself yeah well what I punch himself in the nose started December 17th investigation into corrupt practices of many Turkish bureaucrats, ministers, mayors was started by the Justice Department which and I think we've talked about this before is run by a lot of gulenists I should pronounce that properly gulenists who were educated in the gulen schools

14:32 run by Fethullah Gulen. This is the imam who has, is in self-imposed exile in his compound in Pennsylvania. In the Poconos. Yeah, and runs all of the Gulen schools, the Harmony schools in over 160 countries. The Gulenists also run the largest newspaper in Turkey. And so what they found was millions of equivalent of dollars, but of course it was Turkish lira, millions in shoe boxes stuck away in some of these member of parliament's closets and people have been arrested.

15:10 And this is, there's a takeover taking place. And now you have this organized protest, because whenever you see 20,000 people with identical flags all nicely on poles and stuff. Yes, it's a bad sign. Yeah, that's an organized protest. And the only thing that I think you and I really agree on here is rubble is coming. Well, Turkey would be a real, making Turkey into rubble is going to be not easy. But I don't know what the advent what why we want to do it. It just depends on what part well yeah, you could do it to the to the Eastern part of Turkey which is Where the Kurds are you know I keep looking at this they keep doing this Iraqi Iraqi thing and northern Iraq the Kurds you mean? Yeah, well, I'm no I did all this stuff that's going on in the country as a whole and now I'm noticing every time they show a picture of Iraq on the any of these

16:13 TV shows they always have the that one and war province as a separate color Oh really? Yeah, always always and then there's then there's a greater turkey I'm sorry greater Iraq and then you have this this province and I believe they're gonna try to divide that country up into at least three Separate countries because there's no way that this is gonna continue the way it's going. It's not naturally that big country Anyway, it's unnatural I've really been trying to understand the entire region. I don't think people like us, you and I, John, who were born and raised in the West, I don't think we are equipped to really understand the true culture of, and these are all made-up countries, I mean, you know, Iraq, Iran, Syria, none of this existed. You know, there was just, you know, we, after, was this after, was this 1918 in Paris when we said, oh, let's make up some, let's draw some lines here?

17:07 Was that 1912? It was right after the war. After the Great War, the First World War. We just drew up some lines and here it is. And this will just have to do. But it seems like the, and a lot of people who have, who are from Turkey have been emailing me, I've been talking to journalists who are working on exposés of the Gulenist movement, by the way. I looked, I pulled out a Form 990 of the Cosmos Foundation. The Cosmos Foundation runs the Harmony Schools, which are the, you know, they're all over Texas, but they're all over the United States. You know, they received in just this one Gulen-related organization in 2012, I'll get you the exact number, I'm pulling up the form here, their income from government grants was $168,372,729. From government grants! From our own government! What does that tell you?

18:10 Yeah, and it's all these charter schools. I guess if you start a charter school the government gives you money. Is that how it works? Not that I know of, but I guess it is how it works. Well, they're getting something and then there's all these government bonds, which is about another 50 million dollars that, you know, that they participate in. Anyway, total assets for just this one non-profit organization, 308 million dollars. Dude, you only got to skim 10% and you can print up some nice signs in Ankara. You know, this is... 10%? Wow. Yeah, I mean it's really quite... and this is just one of the many organizations. This thing is so deep and just wow, and it's all taxpayer money. There must be at least half a billion a year of taxpayer money going into this outfit.

18:59 And here's Erdogan's quote. He, of course, the prime minister of Turkey, he says, this is a conspiracy. The United States and Israel are behind it. That's fighting words right there, I'd say. And of course, he could be right. All I know is that we are scheduled to connect the Nabucco pipeline, which is Hillary Clinton's work. from Azerbaijan, from Baku. And Azerbaijan, of course, has huge natural gas resources. The pipeline runs through Tbilisi, which is Georgia, where the crazy Thai nut job was. And then it goes right through Turkey and all the way into Austria, into Europe to feed anything but Russian gas.

19:52 and you know there's a lot going on and then you have the religious you have the two religious factions the way I'm understanding it the of course you have the Shiites and the Sunnis and you know there's a big movement to bringing back the Caliph, the Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire Yeah, that's kind of pathetic. Yeah, but you know it's stuff that I can't even fathom it other than looking historically understanding how big the Ottoman Empire was and it Constantinople was the center of the known universe at the time Is that a song I should recognize? Yeah, yeah, it's got the word Constantinople So something you know something is is brewing

20:50 And I guess what will be interesting to see is if the secular Erdogan gets kicked out with all of his guys, if there will truly be some form of a coup, and who's really running everything behind the scenes, and what it will mean longer term for that, I would say, for the prosperity of Europe. the European Union. It truly is the gateway for them. Well, the Turks are knee-deep in the Syrian issues and they're the ones that are one of the pipelines that the CIA is using to move armaments into the scene for the rebel building. And it's interesting because Turkey... I don't know, something's weird about Erdogan because he originally came in as an Islamist

21:37 And then he got, he started doing all kinds of improvements to the country. I mean, to the point where he was going to close parks and build giant malls and became this Ludicrous capitalist. I think what happened first is that everyone in the past almost the past decade Everybody was talking about the Turkish wonder and how oh, it's unbelievable Look at the economy look at the Turkish lira which have now is of course Collapsing because all of that was it was kind of the way I understand it was kind of Goldman Sachs You know, they were doing the same thing. They did in Greece just dumping money in some more money We'll put some more in and now that's kind of stopped

22:17 Which could also be a tactic. There's that element. And the other thing is I was thinking about this rubble building, which is creating rubble everywhere. Yes. Which I like to use a lot. Well, it's happening everywhere you look. And it just seems to be very beneficial to do this. If you just think of Halliburton and Bechdel and all these guys. Oh, the rebuilding, yeah. The rebuilders. Right. So they're gonna, so Central African Republic of course is going to be the big target for really making, I mean it's already a mess, but you, but it's easier to have the country ruin itself and kill half the public than it is to come in there with bulldozers to do it. So it's almost like, it's almost like an organic process if you think about it. You let the country go to pot, you create all kinds of

23:08 you know, and you influence a kind of a dissolution of public safety and security. You have a mess where people start killing each other left and right, so you knock the population way down. And then they burn everything to the ground and then take the rocks that are around and throw them around so they scatter the rocks so you have a nice, you know, done by hand, of course. Nice even rock bedrock, yeah. And then the places, finally they run out of steam because you can't just butcher everybody with, you know, at some point people come to their senses. And then you move in the big companies, the big rebuilding companies and you get big fat contracts and they take a piece of the action. The Chinese are looking forward to this too, but I think we're the guys who do the best job of it. Well from the 33 World News website, which is all news that has the number 33 in it, I received today 33,000 foreign nationals evacuated from the Central African Republic.

24:09 Yeah, well it's from the voice, the original is from the voice of Russia. So it'd be interesting if the Russians know what the code is. You know, I wish we could figure out the code. What do you think, so what do you think is next for the CAR, for the Central African Republic? Is it just time to have this rubbilized? I think it's already in the process. There's a lot of reports that Doctors Without Borders have to, they've mostly vacated because they can't be in there because the rebels are coming into the hospitals and butchering people in there. The machetes are out. This is a Rwanda fractal. And we've done nothing about it. We've sat silently

24:51 Because the French, you know, said that well, we're gonna do this. It's their job. It's their job and they've sent in all of 1600 troops. Peacekeepers. Yeah, peacekeepers. And the country is about the size of France. So it's nothing. It's ridiculous. And I think it's in there all the reports are that it's just gonna be old. It's not already broken loose. It's breaking loose quickly. And it'll be too late by the time we take action. So it's gonna be a mess. Well, I think what will need to happen is it'll have to be a UN resolution. It's already too late. I mean it's gonna be no no but in order for us to go into the French we won't go in now they're doing their thing I believe we need to have some kind of Security Council resolution or whatever Let me just see so sent so to the east of the Central African Republic is of course South Sudan and that would be handy Let me look at this for a second you always got it people you got to get a map. Oh

25:48 It's very important to use maps, particularly when it comes to the continent of Africa. Because those names change, you have no idea what's going on. So if South Sudan, of course, there's all the oil, and the Chinese want to have their pumping it up north to Port Sudan, to the Red Sea. And that's where, so there's a lot of crap going on there. It would be advantageous to move it West through the Central African Republic Now maybe not that's not gonna happen. What's no you're right. What's with them? Let's it looks. Let's see what's going on around it Cameroon we haven't mentioned something that you when we use the Hiroshima effect title and then you had some links apparently you link to one of buzzkill juniors friends and

26:42 pro nuke website. He's an engineer in the industry. And they got a bunch of hits and now we're getting a lot of nuke engineers. Yes. Listen to the agenda. Yeah. Like lots. Yeah, no, I know. There's a central blog which I think is pro atomic bloggers or something. Maybe that's what I link to. I don't know. Yeah. So of course we have one of our knights is Sir Rod. Atomic Rod, who spent his entire naval career on a nuclear submarine. And the Fukushima... no, the Hiroshima... no, it's not called Effect, it's called the Syndrome. Yeah, the Hiroshima Syndrome blog is written by another... That's the one, the Hiroshima Syndrome blog. Oh, I was referred to that through Atomic Rod. That's one of Buzzkill Jr.'s buddies? One of the guys in there. At least he's connected to it somehow.

27:41 We don't say we talk about this because he's Buzzkill jr. So You know he's so tuned into this stuff that he is also He's talking about their general electric by the way is going to do is going to have a big nuke Bush in the next two years. It's kind of not known to anybody oh and they are going to start promoting the little The little bitty nukes. The little ones. Oh really? The backyard nukes or the neighborhood nukes? Backyard. Huh. And neighborhood. There's apparently one, there's one, they've done some calculations. This was, I don't know how much confidence this was given to me in, but... Ah screw it, what do you care? Apparently the government working with GE has developed another technology, nuke technology, who

28:35 which is a something like 900 square foot product. Uh-huh. That is enough to power the whole country kind of thing. We can't have that. We can't have any solutions. So as we got to this conversation and by the end not only that but for pretty much infinity. Yeah, don't tell anyone that we can do that. So we're talking about you know the about the effect of petrodollars and how the world works with the American dollar and how every time someone tries to circumvent it because petrodollars allow us to have this huge debt because we really control the world's currency.

29:12 Which is why we go and kick, if you're thinking of selling your oil for anything but United States dollars, you could wind up either hung on YouTube. Yeah, like Gaddafi. Yeah, or you're in a gutter, you're coming out of the gutter pipeline. Yeah, we'll shoot you there. So it's not a good idea. But it would fundamentally change the way the world works, and you brought this up, If China says, okay, we're done with playing these games. Right, which is what they're saying. Which is what they're saying. We have lots of engineers in China and we can point them in any direction we want because our education system is pretty much government controlled and we've turned them into nuke engineers. If they go all nuclear, besides solving their air pollution and energy problems and putting them on a completely independent path,

30:06 It would be a fundamental change to world politics and it would get all the stuff that's going on, what we follow, the pipelines and all the rest of it, just over. Could you imagine how much more money there would be to do other things with if our energy wasn't based on oil and gas? And if it also wasn't based on solar and wind, which is a farcical. But something real, something that really works and once you've paid the initial, once you've done the initial investment, it rolls on. It's just like a little football thing that's sitting in there and it's good for 40 years. Or longer. Or longer. 400 more lives than today's technology. So we talked about the Chinas looking at going very heavy into nuclear.

30:56 Ukraine, of course, which has been right in the middle of this, well, they've kind of been torn on both sides. Either join the European Union, get a little bit of cash, you know, and help us out, or strengthen the ties with Russia. And of course, 80% of Ukraine's gas transits into the European Union. And now, and so this is kind of unresolved, although they've said, well, we're not really going to join the European Union. Now Russia has given Kiev a $6 billion loan to develop atomic energy resources, which makes nothing but sense.

31:42 Because I learned something else that's interesting. Chernobyl was never meant to be a power generating facility. No, yes, of course it was a bomb maker. It was an actual weapons plant. Yeah, and they jerry-rigged it. It was poorly designed by the way, and they did a dumb test and that's what made it blow. Yeah. They did a really stupid test which is clearly the ukraine parent this was built without the ukrainians knowledge by the russian secretly when they were still in the soviet control and it did to this day the ukraine kuz have to do serious kind of contaminated and it's it to this day it is one of the reasons the recreation is just take the russian so the real ukraine is not the russians living in the ukraine but uh... it's an interesting this whole thing is just the new thing is is

32:31 It has to happen. I mean, and not only that, but the people that are against it just per se, because they don't know any better, who are also pro-global warming, they put themselves between a rock and a hard place with their logic. It's well, it's it's it's risk people but human beings inherently do not understand how to gauge risk Where of course you are much more likely to get in your car drive to work and be killed on the road like magnitudes more likely than you are to be killed by a terrorist or a nuclear plant disaster

33:12 But tons of radiation coming over from Tashima This is this is it continues. It does not stop this and and this is what so And there's a couple things that I want to talk about today as well where I find myself now Not on the side of the quote-unquote alternative media and it's and it's a little it's scary territory for me and and it really started with the nuclear. It's scary you've never been on the side of alternative media. Well if you look at, okay so, alternative media in general

33:52 I think that's not true, John. We attack the status quo, we attack what the mainstream media is propagating, but then when you look at it, it really started with the nuclear fear-mongering and taking oceanographic maps of wave patterns and turning that into this is how the radiation is flowing and then these bullcrap stories about sailors being dying from radiation sickness on the nuclear aircraft carrier. And all of these stories which are being propagated throughout the alternative media like a wildfire and they're saying, oh the mainstream media is covering it up. And yeah the mainstream media doesn't cover a lot of things whether that's called a cover-up or not. But you know then you get into other areas. For instance I've been reading up on the TPA. You know what the TPA is? This is this bill that has been proposed

34:44 which would allow, it's basically fast-track authority for the president to negotiate the... To sign off on treaties. Right, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the TTIP, which would be for the European Union. And the whole alternative universe is, this is new internet freedom! You've heard that guy? Yeah, that guy. He's around. And so you know me, it's like I'll get the TPA bill and I read it and I'm like, you know, this doesn't sound too bad. And I'm afraid, I'm literally afraid. Well, have you looked at it?

35:38 No. It's not all that bad. Oh, if you say so. You like to look at this stuff and I take your word for it. I love to look at this stuff. You know, so we're talking about, I think it's, we need to put these agreements in place as the United States and we need to put them in place because we've got nothing going for us except for Really our gas. What else do we have? We already, you know, selling stuff that blows people up and flies around and blows people up and flies without pilots and blows people up and tanks. Now we're good. That would lock. We locked in as good. We know how to do that. I'm just being nationalistic here for a moment. Apparently. Well,

36:21 Look, you take that away. Well, you want to stop the military-industrial complex? Fine. You can't. Starve. No, of course you can't. That's what we run on. So the alternative idea, which is what President Obama has pushed from day one, is natural gas and that is achieved by a lot of fracking. Yeah, I mean, it's all pumping crap into our water supply. I'm sure we'll talk about that as well. But in order to effectively compete, We have to start shipping that stuff. We're isolated here. So the TPP allows us to ship it off to mainly Japan, which is really the key ingredient. We need to get it to Japan before it comes in from the Russia and China cabal. We need to get it there first. And then the TTIP, while Turkey is exploding, we need to get our gas into Europe. It's that simple.

37:20 And if we don't want to do that, fine. But then don't complain. I'm being pragmatic. I really wish it was rainbows and unicorns and we all could tiptoe through the tulips, but if you want something to go, then this is it. And the way these things are put together, I'm hearing really stupid things being said about this process. And Wikileaks is jumping on top of it and they release the intellectual property document, which said nothing other than, gee, no one really agrees yet. And it's not a document, it's just a working rundown.

37:59 But I have some of the basic points of what this is about. Now we're talking 11 Asia-Pacific economies, 28 European Union member countries, 28 countries that don't fit in those two. In total, this is, it is New World Order by the way, totally. 159 members of the World Trade Organization. This is really, really big. We're talking about opening up a market of one billion consumers to United States, they don't say it this way, but I'm going to tell you, to United States petroleum products. That's what this is about. If you're worried about unions and that's the least of your worries.

38:45 And this TPA, this authority bill, it expired in 2007. So it's really a renewal in order to get this done before other countries start delivering gas to Japan and before the European Union elections in, I believe that's in May. Because if we don't have an agreement in place with the EU by May, then it's not going to happen. And it's going to really hurt the United States. And I think it'll also hurt Europe. And you know the Russians, I think it would be good for our European brothers and sisters to have a little competition over who's supplying your electricity to charge your Tesla. And with the Congress the way it is currently, it takes too long here. You just don't get anything done. This isn't really nothing new, it's just people freak out about it.

39:40 Yeah, yeah, they do and they are freaking out about it. Do you think you think it's legitimate? I mean did I don't freak out you know I would take your analysis of it above most people so I would take I just take your side cuz you're very kind. That's very kind person You're not you're crumpy mean man So, not in the least. I don't know where you get these ideas. Well, let me give you a few of the relevant things that this TPA, that this authority will do and allow. And by the way, there's all kinds of commissions and there's ways to stop it. And, you know, it's no more rigged than any other process we have. So I just, it just streamlines it a little bit.

40:21 Okay, it establishes new goods and services objectives for the digital age, updates objectives to facilitate digital trade, including protections for cross-border data flow. This is the Hollywood, obviously. So, yeah, Hollywood gets their little thing in there to make sure, and I'm not against that. You know, I like people in the creative industry to be paid. I'm just not for that kind of piracy. This morning I said, please take me off your email list, Klaatu. I'm not interested in receiving emails about how I can watch stuff for free. I gladly pay for the entertainment that I receive. And if I can't afford it, then I won't watch it, or if there's a value for value, I'll give what I can. But I think the majority of people who are whining and bitching about this just want free shit.

41:14 And look, I'm against that. It's not okay. TPA 2014 maintains strong objectives to eliminate barriers to cross-border investments and protect U.S. investors from unfair treatment. That's really, you know, this is all about your, they don't even mention gas in this, but that's what it's about. Updated provisions for cyber theft, protect trade secrets, facilitate legitimate digital trade. Yeah, that's gonna be just more of the, you know, that'll be lots of bull crap we'll have to deal with. but at least we'll be dealing with it with the entire world and not just us alone. Currency manipulation, yeah I'm all for that. I think we should, you know, we should be looking out about what's happening in other countries with currencies. Just so you know how it works in Congress. Every member of Congress will have access to the negotiating text. That's what it says right here in this bill.

42:10 So I don't see how there can be anything more secret than it already is. Every member of Congress should have access to it. It doesn't say secret access or it even says statutorily insures. Of course no member of Congress will ever care to look at it. No, they won't read it. They're not going to read it. But they may have one wonk in the office. It doesn't promise anyone's going to do anything about it. United States trade representatives will meet and consult with any interested member of Congress at any time. Key word, interested. I thought that was pretty funny to put that right in the bill. Hey, is anyone interested in this? Oh, all right. Well, if you're interested, you can take a look at it. Any member of Congress can be designated a congressional advisor and accredited to attending negotiating rounds. And these negotiations are about a lot of stuff.

43:02 A lot of stuff, but here's the one that is most important to me. Oversight for ongoing negotiations. TPA applies oversight. Consultation requirements are billed right in and the TPA can be disallowed if agreement makes inadequate progress in meeting objectives and new language extends disapproval to all notice and consultation requirements. Now, I don't expect our representatives to do a good job regardless. really regardless, but we need to move this along. And what I'd like to ask you, John, is people keep referring to NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, and saying that that destroyed so much that this would be a global NAFTA and we can't allow it. And I just, I don't think that's true. No, that's not a global. NAFTA was problematic because essentially

43:57 Moved just it was an easy thing to do you can move your you could set up a factory on the board just on the border the Texas border on the Mexican side and now Environmental laws and labor laws and all these things didn't apply and so you have companies like Maytag closing shop in the US and then moving stuff. That's a lot. This is nothing like that. Right. But that's also different because that is funny because I was, Miki caught a whole thing on, she's my NPR canary in the coal mine. She heard a whole thing about the electricity in Texas and we're buying so many things from Mexico. And yes, GE has also moved plants out of Mexico. But the problem is, is the FDA and EPA

44:39 restrictions that are and regulations that are put in place in the United States not that Mexico you know I don't think it was some ploy it's just we need to loosen restrictions or at least revisit what we're doing. But it's not... Well everything is a cost-benefit analysis, right? I mean that's the way business works and people always kind of lose sight of that. Yeah, of course. It's not like some evil guy drooling, you know, in the quarters thinking out different ways of screwing people. So they do a cost-benefit analysis and it turns out you can actually build a factory from scratch, build it up, hire people and all the rest of it.

45:16 Now, yeah, it's not necessarily and do it cheaper than keeping your employees. But there is also social responsibility involved with certain corporate decisions. And sometimes it's like, is there any way you can keep the factory open in the Maytag factory, for example, and keep these people employed because they're very skilled? I mean are you losing any money in the process? I mean are you making so much more money doing it the other way? Generally speaking you're not. In fact a lot of people are pulling back from the offshoring because it becomes, it's like Boeing in that Dreamliner. They lost their ass on that jet because they outsourced everything. And it was like it turns out that they got crap back. Great batteries they got there.

46:03 They got just junk, I mean junk. You know, outside of the US and actually Europe probably, or Germany, let's say Germany. Outside of, you know, certain countries, Japan's also would be in that category. Most of the stuff is low quality. Although they've been changing that because Japanese firms run a lot of the better Chinese companies and, you know, we got some of our engineers in China. So China's actually producing some good stuff along with a lot of garbage. But generally speaking, if the factory is right next door in California, let's say, and it's making stuff and it's inferior, they're going to hear about it as opposed to people just bringing garbage in and then, what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it? I got this lecture from a guy who fixed my refrigerator. He says, don't buy a Samsung refrigerator. Oh.

46:55 you can't you should try to get parts for the thing. You can't repair it yeah. You can't repair it and they don't work that well. Yeah. So it's like you gotta you know start to think logically sometimes anyway. I'm sorry. So the final thing I'll say about this is it is the president cannot sign this and make it done. The president has a lot of power by the way. There has to be a vote and but it will be an up or down vote no possibility for amendments, which is that's really the fast-track portion of how this bill sees the authority, which has just been... I mean, I didn't hear anyone complaining about this in 2007 when it was still there. So, Congress ultimately still votes on this. They will have a period of time to review the entire agreement. I commit to you that I will read the agreement.

47:51 You know, you're members of Congress, you're elected representatives, you know that they're not going to do it. They're getting blowjobs while snorting coke. That's what they do. I'm generalizing. Yeah, not all of them snort coke. Most of them, like the lewds. I will read it and I will comment on it and then you can contact your representative whether you think they should vote for it or not. We still, the people still technically have the power. Well you're an optimist today. I'm going out on a limb because I read things, I really take time and I'm not knee-jerk about you know alternative websites saying that you know we're being sold down the river, we'll never have health, you know we'll never get medicine, you know we'll be slaves. What? Like we're not slaves now?

48:49 So yeah, I'm a little optimistic and I'm just, I am, no, I'm pragmatic is what I am. Pragmatic. I would love nothing more than nuclear energy to power my child's future. I'm bearish on that. But when it comes to the next steps for what the United States should do in this current situation where 300, no, almost a half a million people disappeared from the workforce, just disappeared became, I don't know, bums, then this is a pretty good deal if we can get this going. Did you hear the analysis of this, by the way, of the jobs numbers? Which, I mean, I was laughing out loud.

49:34 I heard on NPR, how can this be? We don't understand. What's wrong with these numbers? Was it too cold? Were people too cold to go out and look for jobs? Or wait, Thanksgiving? You sound like the cookie monster. Here's CNN's analysis. Hilarious. So a quick backstory to this. The jobs numbers have always been cooked and the jobless, the unemployment rate is, although it may be a true number, it is based upon the actual number of people who are looking for jobs. And when they go away, then that number goes down. And just before the election, you'll recall there was a huge fracas over the reported jobs numbers. Even, what's the guy from GE, Jack Welch, he's like, the books are cooked, this is phony baloney. And of course, when you close out the year, and these are December's numbers,

50:26 you got to even it out somehow. So they said, oh, screw it. Just dump it all in the end of December and we'll take we'll take the hit as crappy numbers. And here's how the prostitutes talk it away. Big surprise. A big miss. A big miss. Economists really got this wrong. Seventy four thousand jobs created in the month. The last month of the year, only seventy four thousand. You remember you had you had economists all week revising upward their expectations closer to two hundred thousand. Here's the real shocker. The jobless rate dropped. drops to 6.7 percent. Which we should be cheering. How can that be? The lowest jobless rate since 2008 basically. More than half a million people just left the job market. Just stopped looking for work. Now the logical question is

51:12 How do they survive? What are they eating? How do they get by? Total jobs created for the year, 2.2 million, making you basically on par with 2012. So basically, last year we created as many jobs as we did the year before. Now we have the whole year's picture for the month. 74,000 jobs, that is a big disappointment. A lot of economists thought that it'd be much better than that. Then you look at the jobless rate, it fell in part because people simply gave up. Where's the where did they go? Where did they don't ask that question, but let's take a look at shadow stats I recommend yes shadow stats calm yep

51:51 we take a look at the true unemployment rate which is the shadow stat statistic we have the e the u3 the u6 and shadow stats and we do see that when Obama got elected it's it took in two different directions yeah the number you want is the shadow stats number because that's the one that is most directly comparable to old calculations done during like say the depression and this is like you know what they've done is they almost like You say you change the way baseball home runs are calculated. Like all of a sudden you add all the near misses or fouls that went over the fence. Close enough. Hey, it was close. Give him half a point. That means you can't...

52:34 You can't compare Babe Ruth to a modern player, which is what they've done with unemployment. So we don't get a true picture. And we still have it looking about 23.5% unemployment rate based on old calculations. put to today's public and it's still under the 33 percent I think it reached during the Great Depression but it's still headed up. It's still headed up, it's not headed down. Well the president did his podcast which by the way I don't think has ever been nominated for a podcast award. I don't think it's been nominated, you're right. It's not been nominated. It's been stood by you. Yeah, no, there's probably about 800 people who subscribe to his podcast and

53:16 Well, I was surprised. To me it sounded like he thought everything was great. Economists had over predicted the number of jobs created by 300 percent. That'll teach you to believe economists. But the president is all peachy keen. Heil everybody! Yesterday we learned that in 2013 our business has created 2.2 million new jobs. Now we just heard that that's exactly the same as the year before, so it's not like some great, you know, great upward trend. Including 87,000 last month. Woo! Do you see how he just does that? Including 87,000 last month. He doesn't say we expected three times that.

52:34 You can't compare Babe Ruth to a modern player, which is what they've done with unemployment. So we don't get a true picture. And we still have it looking about 23.5% unemployment rate based on old calculations. put to today's public and it's still under the 33 percent I think it reached during the Great Depression but it's still headed up. It's still headed up, it's not headed down. Well the president did his podcast which by the way I don't think has ever been nominated for a podcast award. I don't think it's been nominated, you're right. It's not been nominated. It's been stood by you. Yeah, no, there's probably about 800 people who subscribe to his podcast and

53:16 Well, I was surprised. To me it sounded like he thought everything was great. Economists had over predicted the number of jobs created by 300 percent. That'll teach you to believe economists. But the president is all peachy keen. Heil everybody! Yesterday we learned that in 2013 our business has created 2.2 million new jobs. Now we just heard that that's exactly the same as the year before, so it's not like some great, you know, great upward trend. Including 87,000 last month. Woo! Do you see how he just does that? Including 87,000 last month. He doesn't say we expected three times that.

53:58 Our unemployment rate is the lowest it has been since October 2008. Because all these people are gone. Because they're all bummed. They're bums. Across our broader economy, there's signs of progress. Progress! Our manufacturing and housing sectors are rebounding. Rebounding! Our energy, technology, and auto sectors are booming. Booming! Booming, I say! Thanks in part to the reform... You can say, you know, it just galls me that the government does this. I mean, just saying it doesn't make it so. This is not the government, John. This is our leader. This administration, just bold-faced lies. Our energy, technology and auto sectors are booming. Thanks in part to the reforms in the Affordable Care Act, health care costs now eat up less of our economy.

54:45 I don't think that's true either. No, it's a bold-faced lie. Over the past four years costs have grown at the slowest rate on record and since I took office we've cut our deficits by more than half. What? Are you still there? Yeah. Oh, I thought you crapped out for a second. Well anyway, I did have an idea as I was watching the president's podcast. So there's been this big talk about extending the unemployment benefits. and the way I understand it, so we do have unemployment benefits in the United States of America as part of the safety net and it's not a lot of money. It's about a thousand dollars a month I think per person if you're still looking for and how long is it? I made six months I think or

55:34 I don't remember anymore. It's been so muddied by these never-ending extensions. Right, and they've been extended since we've been doing this show, I think, John. Yeah. This has been extended, extended, extended. And whenever something like this happens, I always am in a conversation with someone, I say, well, you know, things are more expensive, you're paying more for your own health care, you're paying more for gasoline, you're paying more in taxes. It is to help your fellow Americans. Are you okay? This is how it's being spent. And it always gives people a second to think about it. But I had an idea. So this extension for another six months for 1.3 million Americans, as you're about to hear the president say, will cost $6 billion. And now this is stalemate. It's stuck in Congress. And of course, well, we can't pay for this. You know, where are we going to get the money from? And when I hear the president say this, I'm thinking, I have an idea. Jobs and new opportunities for American families with Congress or on my own and with everyone willing to play their part.

56:38 And that action should begin by extending unemployment insurance for Americans who were laid off in the recession through no fault of their own. Now, he says through no fault of their own, and this is a constant theme. So boo-hoo, through no fault of your own. Whose fault was it? I think we can all agree it was greedy bankers and banks. Is that generally accepted? I don't think that was really... I mean, that's who is blamed. That's fine. That's all I need to know. It doesn't mean they're at fault. No, no, no, no, no. That's who's being blamed and that's who's being penalized. JP Morgan, for their part in the credit default swap scandal and ripoff,

57:27 that is specifically being blamed for the 2008 economic, the greatest recession since the Great Depression, have been fined $20 billion for their complicitness in that event. Why can't, where's that 20 billion dollars go to? Why don't you take that 20 billion, take out six, give it to the people who need unemployment benefits? Why don't you go to all the banks and get a billion from each of them? Where does that money go by the way, the 20 billion dollars? It goes into the treasury. Yeah, well then go back- And it goes into making more drones. Well no, it should go to the Americans who need unemployment insurance. Yeah, well that's probably a good idea. Good luck.

58:16 Well, I think anybody could help. Where did they get all the money? JP Morgan has been fined. We talk about this on DHN Plus. I heard you talk about it. Where does the money come from? And Andrew Horowitz always goes, huh? No, he doesn't. He says, these guys have bottomless... Did you talk about deep pockets? Yeah. Okay, you're fining another $5 billion. Oh, gee, I left my wallet at home. All they have to do is go to the Fed window, drive by, say, give me $5 billion. And they say, that's fine. No interest for you. That's where it's coming from, I presume. Stanley Fisher to be vice chairman of the Federal Reserve. The nominee is currently a professor at MIT and holds dual citizenship in the US and Israel. Yeah, well the Fed is a private organization. Whose interest is a guy like this going to serve? Israel or the United States? It doesn't matter. It's a private organization. We have no say over it.

59:30 They can do whatever they want. We don't even know who the Federal Reserve is. We don't even know which banks are really a part of it. So what are you complaining about? Now you have a problem with the Fed? How about Janet Yellen, please? Yeah, well I was kind of rooting for her until she showed up. So she shows up and then they dump all this unemployment crap on her. Hey, Yellen, welcome to the job. No, they just want to make sure they keep that free money coming into the system. That's exactly the point. I think Jack Welch was right all along and I think he's probably still right even though he was roundly soundly blasted by me and everybody else. But again, at least we can understand the plan.

1:00:21 There was a there was brief talk for the Bernank had to leave. He's tired, you know, he wants to yacht around the world, whatever he's going to do is get on a hop on a couple of boards, you know, he's time to party. It's good on your time to party. Go do whatever you want to do. But of course he had to start kind of talking about tapering off of the $60 billion a month that is being printed and buying our own bonds and securities and stocks. That was a threat. Yes. A threat. Right. But then they actually start talking about a slight taper and then boom you hit the numbers. And so Yellen, the new person comes in says well we got to keep printing. We just got to keep going. And at the same time we protect the actual value of the dollar by killing anyone who doesn't want to trade oil or gas in dollars. Right? This by the way is also part of what Erdogan did. Erdogan was doing backroom deals with Iran.

1:01:24 So that that he's I think he screwed some stuff up there and that would that has not yet come to light. That's yeah, that wouldn't be good Yeah, so that so he screwed some stuff up there that is kind of coming to light now And it's just we'll just continue. It's it's a big kick of the can down the road as far as I can see I just don't see much much different until Hillary comes in of course Yeah, that'd be interesting. Well, they're definitely doing their best job of making Christie look like an idiot. I have a Christie clip, which is just kind of a summary. It's so funny. Yeah. It's so funny that I really, I so don't care about this. Everyone, you know, it's a non-stop media story.

1:02:08 No, I think it's going to die on the vine, but I still think it's amusing and I just love listening to Christie say stuff like this. Clips has it. I am embarrassed and humiliated by the conduct of some of the people on my team. For nearly two hours, Governor Chris Christie apologized, announcing he'd fired his deputy chief of staff, Bridget Ann Kelly, for lying about her role in lane closures that crippled traffic in Fort Lee, New Jersey last fall. I am a very sad person today.

1:02:51 Come on, this is humorous. Yeah, that's funny. I agree. I'm a sad person. It goes on for an hour. Just today. Just today though. Just today. Just today. Hey, thank you for your courage, John. And in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. It's about time. And in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning to all the ships at sea. Also, hopefully, hopefully... We still have ships at sea listening to the show boots on the ground and feet in the air in the subs the water But hopefully we got subs in the water listen. I think we still got some subs and some we do have dames and it's out there We do and we have human resources in the chat room no agenda stream calm no agenda chat net in the morning to you in the morning to our artists Rob light L Provided us with the artwork for episode 581. We're always very excited about the artwork. We'll see no agenda art generator calm

1:03:39 We'll see what happens on episode 5 8 2 and as is customary We do not take any advertising money, underwriting, sponsorships, call it whatever you want. We have actual producers, executive producers and associate executive producers who we'd like to give credit in a special credit section of the show which is designated for people who are actually making this program possible through your contributions. It's a very unique, I tried to explain it to, we had dinner Friday night. Oh, we know a bot dinner new well semi-bots. It's I'm you know the jury's still out the He is a New Yorker, and he's a pot banker. Oh well, then that maybe not banker yes Banker I think trying to get out of banking. I'm not but derivatives to very interesting It's hard to have a it's hard to break through to a banker. I

1:04:40 To have a real conversation where you don't feel like, here's my experience with financial people is they have a way to turn off all empathy. Because if you have empathy in finance, you will never win. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, no, you have to be a heartless bastard. Yes, or you have to be able to turn it on and off. Well, generally it's easier just to keep it off. Yeah, well anyway, that's the guys are crying in behind ears crying in the middle of the night I rolled up my Hillary on him. That was kind of funny. What was his reaction? You might want to remind listeners what that is. Yes, Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States because she is uniquely qualified to run the Empire. Yeah, and and I don't think he was expecting it from me. I think that was the main thing. He was like what?

1:05:37 You know, because you know I'm an MTV guy. He's my age so he knows me from MTV and his wife had listened to the show. She liked it. She thought it was funny. We're hilarious. Exactly. All right. Who do we... Those two idiots are funny. Now you sent out an emergency notice yesterday. Yeah, because we I was looking at these, you know, I I real, I'm off a day by the way. To me, this is Saturday. I'm just off completely off on a lot of stuff. In general, in general or just this week? This has been for about a week now. Okay. I don't know what it is, but I'm just. It's funny. Can I just say, cause normally here's, so we have this unwritten, first of all, John and I have no, no contracts agreements, nothing. We've never even agreed. We've never even discussed anything. Have we?

1:06:24 We never even shaking hands on anything. It just it is you know, you don't wash What now not just kidding go on and so and but you know It's kind of breaks down like this like I do the the production and the show notes and John does and manages, I would say, all finances in and out as well as the peerage and the spreadsheet and the donations, all of that, and also the newsletter. The marketing. The marketing, thank you. The marketing. That's, oh, it's marketing now, is it? Okay. It is marketing. And typically, John will say, I get a text message on Wednesday or sometimes Tuesday, you know, it depends on his day, or Friday or Saturday. It's like, you know, take a look at the newsletter and I'll take a look and, you know, and I'll send some comments and usually it's no more than maybe a spelling thing or something. But I didn't get one Saturday.

1:07:27 And then all of a sudden I did get the newsletter and it was like a desperate plea. It was, it was like we're screwed. I didn't think I sounded that desperate, but we did get some emails from people saying I was, I sounded desperate. Yeah, it came across as desperate. And by the way. Did it come across as desperate to you? A little bit, yeah. I saw the newsletter And I realized, hey, no one asked me, you didn't send me the newsletter to look at, so oh my god, things are bad. That was my thought and I didn't tell Mickey. Well they were, there was like no money in there, so we could thank a few people, there was nobody to thank. So I sent the thing out. And immediately, and this is what just, I was glowing all night, immediately

1:08:16 There were producers, there were knights, there were people who are on $11 a month. Everybody stepped up. Yeah, we ended up with a good day and a lot of people came in as executive producers. It was truly heartwarming. To me it was like... Usually if we sound desperate we usually get some results because people are saying, well, because we're not insincere about this. I mean when I looked at the thing I said, oh this is ridiculous. Because I was actually at the... Here's the backstory just for your information if anybody wants to know. I was so off that I realized it was like five or six o'clock in the evening and I said, ah, I forgot all about my weekly note that I send out. Were you drinking? No, I wasn't drinking. I was drinking later. But I wasn't drinking and I,

1:09:07 And I said, oh well maybe we just skip it this week, it's not that important. Then I went and looked at the PayPal and I said, holy mackerel, there's like nothing in here. So I sent out that note because I figured we could coast, or I could coast off of not doing it because I'm off, I'm off a day. I thought it was Friday, I don't know what. And so I sent this thing out, it was short, it was just three sentences. I said we didn't get any money for the support show 582 and I appreciated if you know people would contribute to show 582. It was nothing really not much more than that. No, no, I understand that but now I understand the backstory that there was no newsletter. Now I get it. So the what we what we learned here is why put all the effort into a newsletter? You know, talk about this.

1:09:54 We do the read like on the Tuesday one when we actually both work on it. The long one that's a Tuesday goes out Tuesday or Wednesday and usually Wednesday I guess. And if it's a lot it's got lots of information in it nobody cares. Yeah but it was different because this time it had a picture of a kitten in it. And the kitten thing I got a lot of play with that yeah I'm not doing the thing. I'm look. I want some art some kind of positive art I want some positive feelings mm-hmm, and so I'm look I type something into the Google image thing and I and I I don't know why this kitten came up That's so cute everybody likes a kitten

1:10:39 So I ran the kitten picture. I liked it. It worked for me. It was a little bit of a non sequitur, that kitten picture. I got comments on people like more newsletters with kittens please. Good work. Anyway, so the whole idea is we, I'll just repeat and then we can get into it. This program works and we can do the research and we can basically spend our entire day reading, investigating, understanding, watching, recording, editing, doing all of this because you support the show and it's great to see people step up and help us when it was tough and it worked out great. Thank you very much. Highly appreciated. Let's thank these executive producers and associate executive producers for show 582 including David Daniels who came in from Dallas, Texas. He's a member of the 582 club now and he wants karma for all no agenda producers.

1:11:36 I'm sorry, that's all he wants? That's what it says. That's easy. You've got karma. Thank you very much. odd because he usually jumps onto the Club thing it with no note, and I can't find any notes. So he's the 4k TV special guy. What's this website? 4kspecial.com and use the code NA for your $50. He did something on the 5th which was that hey guys quick note to let you know how well know agenda karma work today We won the storage visions award at CES for the visionary home entertainment product and

1:12:17 Uh, which I guess was the day before the show. So he got, but you know, if you look into this into Foley, he's been in the business forever. He's like a, is he a Silicon startup? Oh, he's okay. So he's, he's a, maybe we can get a gig. Yeah. This next startup. He's always, he's, and I think he does the 4k TVs as a side thing just to, cause he wants to, I don't know, but he's been, he's been around the block. Sir Wire of the hidden jewel, James Pyers of Escondido, $333.33. Thanks for your courage, I couldn't resist John's pathetic Saturday night booty call.

1:12:56 Make it rain, John. A question for Adam regarding the moon landings. If the six Apollo moon landings, by the way, I did read the Wagging the Moon Doggie blog you suggested and it was pretty interesting read, were actually faked and US achieved this in the 60s. And why no other country, especially Russia or China, faked the same thing in the past 40 plus years? Hello, China just is faking it as we speak. I would like to hear you and John's, yeah, well, you've already talked about that. Thanks for the great work you guys both do in Real News on a regular basis. The show just keeps getting better. Can't wait to hear the next In the Club segment. Coming up maybe Thursday. Carmen to AAJ, Ed, Chris the dude and Sinclair. Two shots to the head to the big guy on behalf of Hillary. Thanks. Sir Wire of the Hidden Jewel. Let me do the...

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1:18:38 I just before the show started and this will this kind of goes with what we were talking about the US economy, I received a tweet which was one of these things that they do it does well of course I'm still well known in Gitmo Nation lowlands So, you know, you see someone tweeting, someone you don't know tweeting something saying, hey Adam Curry, take a look at this. And then if you click on that person, you'll see they have one follower. Yeah, I just bull**** those guys. Yeah, well, but then they've tweeted the same message to a whole bunch of celebrities. And it was for a European Union project and a vote, and they need a million votes for something called the Universal Basic Income.

1:19:28 Have you ever heard of this? Yeah, this is actually not a new idea and in fact it was, we actually talk about this around the dinner table. In fact, I think Buzzkill Jr. said that when we played that clip of that county clerk who didn't want to do her job because she was busy tweeting. We He in particular said she's perfect for this sort of thing because she would be better off being paid not to be in the workforce because these people are counterproductive. Right. And it was actually Nixon who proposed a universal income where you had essentially everyone would get

1:20:12 Money just to exist just yes, just for being yeah, just for being okay, so so this is you can find it crazy No, it's not and I want to play this video which is promoting the idea that and it's so you can find it basic income 2013.eu and it's the unconditional basic income or UBI citizens income which is guaranteed and the way these guys are playing it is that it is a human right as per the Human Rights Council. Yeah, well that's bullcrap. You want to hear the the little commercial thing they've got here? Yeah of course. This is of course meant to convince

1:20:50 citizens that they need to sign up for this and it's the only they only need a million signatures and I'm thinking this is a great deal. Today austerity seems to be the only answer given to remedy the economic crisis in Europe yet people are getting poorer and poorer. Automation in manufacturing and wealth accumulation by financial institutions are changing our approach to work. More and more is produced with fewer and fewer people. Unemployment rates have skyrocketed and pay work is no longer a right for everyone. The good news is that never before in history have human societies generated so much wealth. But while this wealth is produced by the work of all, past and present, this wealth is unevenly distributed among citizens. We as European citizens propose an alternative. It's not a new idea, but now is the time to put it into action. It's called Unconditional Basic Income. Have you heard of it? Not yet?

1:21:46 Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states, everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness... There it is. Basic income should be universal, individual, unconditional, and high enough to ensure a dignified existence and participation in society. This new fundamental right for humanity not only would eradicate misery, it is also a way to develop non-market orientated work such as artists, parents and volunteers. But it's also an economic measure. A basic income for all means supporting local business. Therefore, it would enable us to fully exercise our citizenship.

1:22:37 How do we finance it? Yeah, easy. We have several proposals. Financial and high-income taxation, a consumption tax on luxury goods and polluting products, and mainly self-financing by simplification of a very long list of current social transfers and associated public services which have become obsolete. What we propose would be much simpler, equal, and transparent. Everyone gets a basic income without even asking for it. But then of course it's up to you to work if you want more money. We as European citizens have now launched an official petition called the European Citizen Initiative to make the European authorities examine our manifesto.

1:23:19 So, what's the deal? So. So. First of all, we have to surpass a minimum threshold of seven countries minimum. Okay, I think you can stop it. What? I think you can stop it. It's almost over. 20 seconds. What part of Europe is this guy from? He sounds like he's from Southern California. Let me just do the last 20 seconds. At least gonna let him get through the page. Campaign and are getting ready to collect signatures. Hopefully others will join up soon. The European Commission must consider our proposals when we reach the one million signatures required. If accepted, studies of the different models and amounts of basic income will begin. We must mobilize by organizing events, creating local groups, and creating a buzz by telling your friends and everyone around you that a new idea is growing in Europe. Free money! Thank you for visiting basicincome2013.eu. Create a buzz. Create a buzz by telling everybody there's free money for just breathing.

1:24:16 Hold on a second. Let's take a look at this. You know, can I can I just suggest one thing here? Let's say should we try your other network for a moment and Anyway, this is not a new idea, but I'm went to why we had that little issue I believe that this is nothing more this for one thing. This guy sounds like is in Southern California, which bothers me I think this is just a mailing list scam a mailing list scam. It's it's it's an official EU initiative. I I'm telling you there's a mailing list involved in this. You know, okay, this is very interesting because I was looking at the initiative here. Hold on a second. Frequently asked questions. There was something about... it's funny you say this. Hold on. Let me scroll down to it. How can I help? Click. Why do I have to provide so much sensitive private data when I sign up?

1:25:13 Really, John? Did you nail this somehow? What's going on? Every time I see anything like this that's asking for your signature or your mailing address, I always think mailing list scam. This has been going on. Mailing list scams are great. We should do one to get more people on our mailing list. Hold on a second. Let me see who was behind basicincome2013.eu. Now you have me. Freak out because it says this is sign online. It well. There's an EU website. Yes, so what yeah? Yeah true Then it looks pretty official doesn't look official to me. Well none of the European Union sites look really great Let me see who is basic income? 2013 can I even get that through the who is if I want to find out yeah here we go not disclosed Okay

1:26:14 Go to hold on go to EU RID EU for web-based who is now we're gonna get all this crap and that who is database doesn't always work so well Okay, let's see. Okay, so that's not going anywhere I don't know maybe one of them maybe someone in the chat room can figure that out for us. Are you still there John? Yeah, I'm listening to I don't I can't find it either. Okay, here it is basic

1:26:51 income2013.eu. We don't have to do the .eu on this web-based system. Go! All right, tell me who this is. Who is doing this? And let me ask you, why does the guy sound like a Southern California surfer? Oh, because they... Oh, this is interesting. Huh. Well, he sounds like a California surfer because they put out a... You know, they clearly put out an audition. I'm surprised I didn't get asked to read for it. Registrant is a Dutchman named Robin Ketelaars and he lives in Drauwe- Drauwe-Nerwijn. His email address is robinc at hardsoft.nl. This is sounding a little sketchy.

1:27:48 I don't know man, maybe it's just a local initiative. I don't know. I don't know. Let's put it this way. A name on a mailing list is worth a minimum of $10. One name? Yeah. On any mailing list? Yeah. Really? Yeah, if you own that name, it's worth 10 bucks at least. Wow. Could be more if it's really a great list. So if you, there's been a lot of these guys who did, you remember the computer professor? You see him on television all the time. Hi, I am a computer professor and I have a disc on how you can learn Word. Oh, is this the tech guy? I don't know who he is. Just kidding. No, it's not the tech guy. Is this call for help? I have a disc and it's free. Oh, no. Yes, I have seen. Yes, you send us your name and address and you'll get a free disc. No, even we even pay shipping. Yeah, well, that is a mailing list.

1:28:49 I wouldn't guess not a scam. It's just a mailing list scheme. That's a main list scam is the idea is to get the names that you can put on a mailing list and those are all Addresses. Mm-hmm. They're worth a minimum of 10 bucks a pop and You rent them over and over and over again that particular list is probably worth a fortune, huh? Oh Well, that kind of deflates the whole excitement I had about getting money for just breathing. I was kind of excited about that. I was ready to tell Mickey that we should use her European Union citizen status to go back, find a nice place to live and just live and get paid. And if we ever feel like making extra money, you know, then we can work. Do these things work out? Has anyone really looked at this model of this can actually succeed? Yeah, yeah, it could work.

1:29:38 Really? It wouldn't in a million years because no one would put up with it. It's just not gonna happen. How does this UBI differ from communism or socialism? The communists make you do some work. Okay, so it's kind of it starts off by, yeah, you don't have to do anything and then then slowly it's like well you might want to you know... The mindset of the Westerner is not amenable to this. Okay. Well, I think it's an interesting concept and I can see where a lot of people would be. Yeah, I'm all in on that. Just pay me to be alive and then I can be a musician. I could be an artist. I can be a podcaster. On the mailing list with a bunch of demographics. Perfect. Yeah, exactly.

1:30:32 Ah, okay, switching gears, John. Of course it is 28 more days until the start of the Sochi Olympics and we need to constantly remind everybody that that is coming up. And what better way to remind the American public, particularly if you are hosting this on your television network such as NBC or any of the affiliated NBC channels, to remind people how horribly dangerous Russia is And maybe the State Department could put out a little memo to remind us about how dangerous Russia is and if you're planning on going to the Sochi Olympics, which start in one month from now, set your VCRs everybody.

1:31:09 Then that would be very handy to propagate that message tonight the US State Department has issued an alert warning any Americans planning to travel to the Olympics in Russia This is about the potential danger following terrorist threats and the opening ceremony is exactly four weeks from tonight Don't you love that like the opening ceremony you always want to catch the opening ceremony? Oh And of course you're watching NBC. Yes, of course you're watching NBC. It's four weeks from tonight. Our chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel is live for us in Moscow tonight. Richard, what brought this about today? Man, I can't believe he has the guts to stand in Moscow. I mean, he could get killed at any minute.

1:31:51 Good evening, Brian. We understand that there's no specific threat, but security is the overwhelming concern that Russia has in the lead up to these games. And Russia is imposing some very severe security restrictions, already banning all liquids on flights, not just large amounts of liquid, any liquids of any kind. Also about 40,000 police and soldiers are imposing a so-called ring of steel around the venues at Sochi. The ring of steel! The FSB, which is the new KGB. Hold on a second, hold on a second. I'm not gonna accept that. I mean you can F Russia all you want, but when they go on the news and say the FSB is the new KGB,

1:32:36 I'd say that's quite a stretch. Don't you find that hilarious? It's very funny. Richard Engel in Moscow as we said the opening ceremony four weeks from tonight. Thank you. I just want to make sure we got the promo in there. Now the best, the best I've ever heard Ron Wyden, is he a senator or congressman? Ron Wyden. Senator I believe. Senator. Okay. He is brought in to promote the games and of course you know the way we promote this is by talking about how horrible Russia is

1:33:39 And, and he, what he was saying, maybe he's, is he on the Olympic Committee? We have to check this for a second. What did I know of? Well, let's see. Ron Wyden, IOC. We'll just try that Google and see what happens. Well, hold on a second. I think he is somehow, just a quick scan of the Google shows that he has some Connection critics is a critic of the Olympic Committee is an article from 1999 where he says it's corrupt Well, maybe they flipped him Okay, so why is it? Why do we not want to go to Russia? What are the most horrible things about Russia as we know it today? This is a question to you John. It's cold There's a lot of hookers hold on a second I lost my mic there for a second doesn't know what are the real what is the real

1:34:38 What's the real messaging? Terrorism is one. Yeah, gonorrhea. Terrorism is one. Come on, you know the answer to this. Don't make me force you to say it. I don't know. They hate gay people. Oh right, the gay thing. Here now to talk about this, Democratic Senator from Oregon, Ron Wyden, who is also a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. You sit on the Intelligence Committee. Russian extremists have vowed to disrupt the games. Now we understand, of course, the classified nature of a lot of the information you know. But what can you tell us, if anything, about the threat and the State Department's warning today? All right. So he's on the Intelligence Committee, and of course he can't tell us everything because of the classified nature.

1:35:21 But he is going to tell us exactly what the problem is with the security in Russia. Without getting into classified matters, I do believe that the threat of terrorism and the very, very hostile actions Russians have taken towards gay people is a reason for Americans to be cautious about traveling over there. The very, very hostile attitude towards gay people. Very very hostile John so they're just gonna beat up Americans. Yeah, only if they're gay apparently So just to break it down if a loved one of yours gay or straight we're playing on one This is great traveling to Sochi what kind of advice would you give him or her would you say avoid don't drop the soap crap?

1:36:14 Crowded buildings, avoid crowds, always have an escape route. Avoid gay people. Don't go. What would you say? I would say certainly follow the State Department travel advisories. I think they've consistently been on target and as I've indicated without talking about classified matters, the combination of the threat of terrorism... Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Besides having a lisp, which is telling. Listen to, go back it up a little bit and listen to Wyden. I didn't realize it before but he sounds exactly like Steve Jobs. Who has a very similar lisp, you're absolutely right. And now listen to what he says too. All the State Department travel advisories, I think they've consistently been on target. And we really are so proud of the work we've done at the Apple stores.

1:37:03 And whenever we get excited about something, we like to make a video. All right, here we go. I think they've consistently been on target and as I've indicated without talking about classified matters the combination of the threat of terrorism and these exceptionally hostile actions towards gay people is a reason for Americans to be cautious. This, I can't believe this is coming out of an elected official's mouth. This is the clip of the day, play it. Thank you, I was ready for it. Hey, bam! Mickey and I were betting on this being clip of the day that but it was but there's more do you think gay and lesbian? Americans LGBT Americans going to the games should be particularly on their guard if you're gay don't go

1:37:55 Certainly the fact that the Russians have indicated that gay people are second-class citizens and expose them to violence is certainly a cause for gay folks to be thinking carefully about going there. Alright gay folks, listen up. This is a lie. A bald-faced lie from a liar with a lisp. I mean, how can he say this? I mean, clearly he must believe it. Not necessarily. If you are gay, there is no questionnaire you can go into the Russian military. If you are gay and you want to adopt a child, there is no questionnaire, no nothing. This is a made-up lie. The United States, my God, 10 years ago, we had don't ask, don't tell. We had, fellatio was still illegal in 15 states. We are more anti-gay than Russia.

1:38:58 Yet this is now being televised. If you are going to the Olympic Games and you're gay, you leave the rainbow pants at home and don't drop the soap because Russia hates gays, you're second-class citizens. This to me is grounds for an international fracas, what Senator Ron Wyden is saying. It's not gonna happen. I don't know what Russia lost their edge. What does that mean? They can't propagandize properly anymore. They used to have all kinds of good, you know, things to sucker people into believing, you know, their way was the best way and all the rest. They just, they're horrible. They need some consulting. Yeah. I want to remind people that we, of course, have completely debunked this.

1:39:44 And it's like rowing upstream the Niagara Falls. I mean, it's impossible. No one believes me. The white paper is, I guess, done. It hasn't been published yet. The one that our gay crusader, Brian, has been working on it, read everything, I guess he's getting ready to publish it, but I don't think it matters. People have so bought into the idea that the entire Russia hates gay people, they kill gay people, you can't say you're gay or you're locked up, you're thrown in jail, none of it is true. It's based on one law which says you cannot propagandize alternative lifestyles to minors, minors being under 13. That's it. And the Dutch

1:40:25 who are in general smart people. There's an entire national outrage because the king and the minister of foreign affairs, I think the prime minister, have all said they're going to Sochi, they're going to the Olympic Games. Our king loves the Olympics and he loves going there with his wife and they get drunk and they dance and it's great to watch. And they love it and they go to Holland House and they have this big party and he's like, yeah, I'm going. Because he knows it's not true. But the country, the news, it's an outrage. He clearly doesn't care about the gay people. You're being played, people. You're being played. It's not true. Vote Ron Wyden out of office. Vote him out, liar, moron. So let's talk about talking about lying.

1:41:17 Let's and talking about the alternative media. Let's talk a little bit about this the chemical spill in West Virginia Yes, I I'm glad you have done some work on this because all I could I haven't looked into it I heard about it all I thought was Maybe it's some fracking company that messed up and that's all I haven't looked at anything where yeah, that's a coal washing Chemical though. They never tell you what the chemical is the chem I do have the chemical though it's for methyl cyclohexane methanol, which is a chemical used to clean coal. The early report said it was a foaming agent. I don't know what, maybe it's got something to do with it. And why do you need to clean coal? Is it just you wash it? I guess there's a lot of dirt or stuff, you know, the other things. I would burn coal once in a while. Once in a while there'd be this big rock.

1:42:10 It looks a little like coal, but it's not. And it would end up in a fireplace. So let's just get a background here by playing WV the dummy, no, not the dummy on the street, Ground Zero. Ground Zero. Okay, Ground Zero it is. Boom. Ground Zero is this Freedom Industries plant that makes chemicals for the mining, steel and cement industries. State inspectors say a foaming agent used in coal preparation leaked from a 40,000 gallon tank yesterday. Some of it overran a containment area and ended up in the Elk River.

1:42:46 An estimated 300,000 people are affected in nine counties, many of them reporting a smell like black licorice. Emergency hotline centers like this one are fielding calls. We've had some complaints about eyes burning, things of that nature. Best advice is to stay inside right now until they get this thing taken care of. For now, people are being told to avoid using tap water to bathe, drink, cook or wash clothes and dishes. Jeff McIntyre has the Charleston Water Treatment Plant. He says the chemical is not especially toxic, but it's not worth taking a chance. We don't know... Okay. Why take a chance? Why take a chance? So you listen to Twitter and Facebook and all these things and you all hear the same kind of story which is

1:43:33 Oh, somebody took a sip and they end up non-stop vomiting. They couldn't stop vomiting. Right? Yeah, yeah. Vomiting. Oh, everyone's vomiting. It makes it sound like all of West Virginia is vomiting. So I want you to listen to this clip of the mayor. And tell me if it kind of jives with this vomiting bowl nonsense. This is the West Virginia mayor drinks the water. We heard that there's almost a smell of black licorice either in the air or of the water. Have you smelled it? Have you tasted it? I smelled it yesterday when a gentleman from the office across the street came over to my office to get me. He knew me and he took me across the street and I smelled it when I got outside. I'd been inside for that afternoon and then I went up to his water fountain and then I tasted it.

1:44:27 and I took a big drink of it and I knew that there was something very wrong. And it was not long, much longer after that that the West Virginia Water Company and the governor and all those folks held a press conference. It wasn't the governor's press conference, he just happened to have been there, but it was West Virginia American Water Company and they have nothing but bad news for these citizens and with no end in sight. He didn't vomit. Apparently he didn't vomit, so that's bullcrap. And that's played everywhere. In fact, I was looking at Think Progress and Green Progress and that's all they're talking about is all the vomiting that's going on. They don't discuss the chemical at all.

1:45:06 This was on PBS, so they had to at least, you know, do a little lip service to the model that you need for these shows. So they had a man on the street, a woman on the street. And this is the classic again, you let's go with our theory here. If you got here in West Virginia, this is obviously the way they all are, even though the mayor seemed pretty. And let me point out, I went to college shortly, but I went to college in West Virginia. I've been to Charleston. I've been to Clarksburg. I've been all over. Yeah, so I know what the West Virginians are like. Let me guess is this a toothless wonder type dude? Here we go. You gonna melt this down. That's what you're gonna do like you did back in the mo' days. Put a little tub, put him in there and just take a, you know, like a bird bath. President Obama has declared a federal disaster in the affected region, expediting aid. That's good. I almost vomited. No, she had a big block of ice. A vomit?

1:46:01 I asked vomit, I had some ice vomit and she said she's gonna put in a tub and take a birdbath. With the vomit? I just like saying vomit. Wow. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, okay. Now let me ask you a few things. You've been an inspector. About air, water, all the same thing. Now, for this to even get in the water, is it not true that in general a lot of these heavy industry plants, they dump stuff in the water regardless? Isn't that how it works? I mean, they have to put stuff into the water to get rid of it and it just flows away and then the water plants pick it up and they clean it out. Isn't that kind of the system anyway? Yeah. Right? That's how it works. They throw it in the water and then everyone knows and they pick it up downstream and they clean it out.

1:46:48 You know curiously this chemical was patented as a room deodorizer smell like licorice It actually smells like mint according to the the I vomited and it smelled like black licorice This was a lot of big dump. This was David generally speaking these companies They they they put stuff in the water, but it's not necessarily the drinking water of And it's not necessarily a lot of it. And what happened here was a tank, I guess, began to leak. I don't know how this could have possibly happened, but it leaked into the desert. Most tanks have a little dam around them. So when the tank, if something happens and the tank starts leaking, the dam

1:47:28 holds the whatever it is that's in there and then you can pump it out of that area when you get the thing under control. They said that the dam, it was leaking enough so that the dam overflow, that it busted or broke or the dam wasn't in good, it was a piece of crap is what it sounds like. And then it got into the water and the next thing you know they cut it all off. It seems like there's some political angle to this too because this mayor is very irked by this water company. Because apparently they own most of the state water and they could reroute water and get people water, but they're just basically putting the screws to Charleston. But what do you think is going to happen? What's the bottom line here? Well when you read about it, the bottom line is that this chemical has like a half-life in the wild. It'll just get eaten up by bacteria in about I think four days. Oh so it goes away, alright. Yeah. Hmm. I like that.

1:48:23 I saw some of the press conference from I guess the the CEO of the water company. Where's he from England? I don't know. Yeah, I think he has a British accent. There's something up with that water company though. Yeah, you think we're not being told the whole story? They wouldn't even name the chemical. I had to research it to find the name of the chemical. No, it's a chemical spill. Chemical spill. I mean, the public is dumbed down enough. I mean, if they at least mentioned the chemical, of course it would have frightened them. I don't think anybody cares in the press, in the media. They don't care. They just want the lead. They just want the headline. They want just death and destruction. Anything that's too complicated, keep it away from the stupid citizens of the United States. Too stupid to understand.

1:49:08 Present company excluded of course. The no agenda. Yeah, obviously, obviously. Well the people who care. We're not all scientists, we're not all brilliant, but we care. We care to think, stop, think for a second. Hmm, maybe this is not true. There's a couple little news items I ran into that were not reported anywhere except on really our version of alternative media is the foreign media. Yeah, oh this Vincat? I got a bunch, I think this is from RT. Okay. This is the, I didn't know this at all. Uh, this is the, the story India club close. This is kind of interesting. India club close. Meanwhile, the U S embassy in India has been notified by the Indian government that it has to shut down all business activities in the embassy. The U S embassy has been running a club in this area for years. It has a swimming pool,

1:49:59 and a tennis field and is favoured by Americans working in New Delhi for entertainment. But now India has said the running of this club for non-diplomatic personnel is against the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and has requested its closure. Local media interpret this move as an act of revenge in the latest diplomatic row. At the same time, the US Energy Secretary has cancelled his visit to India next week, the second such diplomatic disruption in the month. And in response, India's Minister of External Affairs says he hopes the US could handle the case in a friendly manner. We expect a friendly country like the United States of America to do what a friendly country does. If there is a problem about their internal processes and their laws, we are willing to help. We must together.

1:50:53 We had a club. This, by the way, was CCTV. This was China. With a swimming pool, apparently. And a tennis court. And a lounge. And a spa. Probably a bar. Yeah. Didn't know this and I thought it was kind of interesting then the Indians decided that yeah, it wasn't licensed or something So they shut it down. They're still hurt. Oh, no, this is I've been reading a couple of Indian blogs and Yet they're very pissed off about this this search that we did this cavity search. We did it this woman Yeah, yeah, this this is not over the and it's funny how how that just goes on and on and on Yeah, it's gonna keep escalating. Mm-hmm

1:51:32 So, okay. So Obama himself apologizes. Or something like that. I'm sorry. No, I didn't mean it. There's also something weird going on in France with this comic. Oh, this is the Quatinel, the inverted Nazi salute? The upside down Nazi salute. Yeah, I've been following this a little bit. Yeah, this is the story here. This guy, I don't know, he's a goofy looking guy. Looks like he's probably pretty funny. And he does this, the upside down Nazi salute, is holding your hand down, pointing it kind of at your toes.

1:52:11 Well, apparently his routine has, well, what I've read is routine has a lot of anti-Semitism jokes in it, which by the way we have a lot of anti-Semitism jokes in America. Comics do that a lot. We make jokes about everybody, I think. But it's illegal in France. I guess. No, no, it is. It's illegal. You can't, you can't, uh, there's no freedom of speech. I would like to get some translations of his act to see what the hell he's doing. But he apparently is, here's the, uh, here's what's going on. It's a big deal in France. Here in France, the row over a comedian at the center of an anti-Semitism debate continues. Dieu Donné Mbala Mbala was banned from performing on Thursday night, just hours after a court in the Western city of Nantes said he could go ahead with his show.

1:52:59 Well, this has made an ongoing tug of war with the government and controversy over his so-called Canel hand gesture. Is this the first of many disappointments for the fans of Dieudonné? France's top administrative court overturned a decision by a local judge to let the controversial comic take to the stage. In our society we can't accept even slight complacency with regards to anti-Semitism, which so goes against our values and principles. Diudoni insists he's merely anti-establishment and anti-Zionist and denies his trademark Knell gesture is an inverted Nazi salute. Still, local authorities in several other cities like Nice, Marseille and Bordeaux have issued a ban against his show. The State Council's swift ruling came as a surprise and Diudoni's lawyers called into question his validity.

1:53:52 It was simply impossible for me to make it on time for the hearing held in Paris at the Council of State. It's a very clear violation of the defendant's rights. Previous attempts to ban the comedian's show had been systematically rejected by appeals courts, on the grounds there was no evidence the show would stir public disorder. It remains unclear whether yesterday's final ruling will set a precedent. In the meantime, Giudonni said he would file an official complaint with the European Court of Human Rights. Many today wonder if the publicity gained by the comic from this ongoing judicial saga doesn't, in the end, defeat the purpose of the government's attempt at silencing him. So I have a thought here. First of all, this is obviously a part of the intolerance or tolerance laws that are being

1:54:43 written EU wide where you just can't be intolerant towards anybody. You just cannot say that. So that this is your basic freedom of speech in the European Union. But there's also a slight problem with President Hollande. He's He's been caught cheating on his girlfriend. Yeah, the clip there. Oh, you got a clip of that? Because I think that's just, I think it's, yeah, I'd say this is a distraction. Anything to take the heat off of him. Let's hear your clip here. France Vincat's Florence Vimino there a little earlier. Well, staying here in France and President François Hollande is considering suing a magazine after it claimed he was having an affair with an actress. The latest edition of the weekly tabloid Closer features seven pages about his alleged affair with Julie Gagnet. In a statement obtained by AFP news agency, Hollande called the report an attack on the right to privacy.

1:55:35 The president who has never married, has four children with politician Ségolène Royale, and has been living in recent years with journalist Valérie Trivela. Well it's considered France's first lady. Yeah, whatever. This guy gets around, he's got four kids, never got married. Yeah. And he's been living with some journalist and now he's having an affair with this hot actress. And he lives in a palace. Yeah, he goes over to her place. So he's denying this. He's just suing for invasion of privacy. And they did man on the street. Everybody in France is on his side. Yeah, they're like, hey, look at her. Hey, look at her. She is a hot piece of ass. Derrière a show. Come on. No, no. We got problems back here. That's where the problems are. Of course, we know that according to the United Nations Office of

1:56:29 Drug tracking what the hell was the name of that with that report they come out with every year we look at it Yeah, and well I always put I forgot what it's called now Poppy production in Afghanistan all-time high yeah all-time high of course yeah That's what we're there for. Go look at where the camps are, where our bases are, and then look at the poppy production. We're protecting it. And it's paying off in spades. Even a pristine place like Vermont has a major drug problem, most especially heroin. In every corner of our state, heroin and opiate drug addiction

1:57:05 threatening us. Governor Peter Shumlin devoted his entire state of the state speech to this one issue, forcefully calling to have this gripping documentary on Vermont's drug addiction shown in schools statewide. The first pill I used was a Percocet and Vicodin and Then it moved on to Oxycontin. Then it went to heroin. Why Vermont? One theory, higher prices in this rural area. That means bigger profits for dealers. Nationwide, more people die of drug overdoses than from motor vehicle crashes. That's triple the number from 1990.

1:57:42 As we discovered on a recent ride along with police in New Jersey, heroin is cheap and readily available. Heroin is much, much cheaper than prescription medication. Give me the ratio. A 30 milligram oxycodone pill, $30. An 80 milligram oxycontin, $80. A bag of heroin, $4. And now a governor has joined the chorus of concern. $4 for a bag of heroin? That hard to believe, but a guess. Well, it's Jersey. Wow, but you notice how the kid got hooked on opium products through the pharmaceutical industry first That's kind of a charm. It does you know get the kids on the on the on the synthetic stuff And then when you know then then you show up on the corner with your four dollar baggie. Maybe a very small bag That's what's so sad that is so That saddens me. It really does I wonder I don't know about heroin

1:58:41 I've never done it. Good thing. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. I know people who have done it. Doesn't sound great. Well, it doesn't be in the zoned out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's got to be something about it. People seem to like it. Seem to be using it over and over again. People, a lot of people have a dick and I like a lot of different weird things. Yeah. I don't know how some of this stuff, how people can like a lot of this stuff. It just seems to me to be counter-intuitive. It's not a product. No. It's what we call not an outstanding product. So I was watching somebody, I was listening to some radio guy and he's going on and on about the sexual innuendo on CBS is two and a half men. I have it on here as sexual innuendo on ABC but CBS.

1:59:38 And I, and how it's like completely out of control sexual innuendo. It's just non-stop the whole show. So I decided to see if this, and in fact it is not only true, but it's actually beyond just, it just, here's a segment I just thought would be a nice break in the action for our show. This sexual innuendo is just completely over the top and I, it was fun at the same time. I'm sorry you're you have a whole new sound right now on the Skype good I just got invited to a party in the hills tonight. You guys want to go? Yes! Come on, aren't you having fun? Look, if you don't want to go, I can give guys a ride to the party. Jeff in the front, Larry in the rear. It'll be tight, but we can make it work. I don't think it'd be that tight. I've got to start watching this show again.

2:00:40 Man! Isn't that like over the top to you? Wow! Yeah, well especially because they throw the laugh track in there the whole time. Yeah, I thought it was an over the top, especially with the final punchline wouldn't be that tight. Which is the insult line. Wow, yeah that's pretty good. The entire show is just sexual innuendo. Yeah, well people want that. It's what people like. Yeah, come on, this is what media is. Oh, I can't believe he said that. This is what the old, that's the old world and that old world, it's coming to an end. Slowly it's coming to an end. Less and less people are watching. It'll just all end. We might even witness the end of it. Let's hope.

2:01:24 So they had the, you know, so Target finally announced they had 110 million people, not 40. Now, but not just 110 million people, but also I guess this is from their own card system because they had names, email addresses, physical addresses, and I have to question if even the 110 million, I think they may be lying about that. And then apparently Neiman Marcus got the same hack. And according to Reuters, there are more who have not even been reported yet. They say that they know who but they can't report it or whatever. But there's a lot more retail outlets who have been cracked during the same period. Yeah. Well, you know what that means? Government. Yeah. And time for some cyber legislation, everybody. That's what we need. It's coming.

2:02:17 Yeah, it's something good. Something is up with this with this hack and target was true We have to do a little research, but I'll bet you there's a reason target became the target Well, I do know that and I found this interesting target actually operates as one of their businesses operates you probably got an email about this to a Forensics laboratory specifically for cyber forensics, which I found to be quite interesting I didn't even know that you know, I didn't know they diversified that much and So they are now in fact, I guess investigating their own hack maybe even on because this target Forensics lab works for the government, but really what's what's happening is we're seeing The legislation. I think I have a copy of it. It may even be in the show notes. I'll have to take a look of What some of this proposed legislation is going to look like here we go. It's the CFAA

2:03:20 This is the Leahy bill and there's going to be a lot of penalties specifically for retail if they allow their customers. What I think is, I'm not quite sure how they can do that. I guess they can pass whatever bill they want. Let me see here. The administration's proposal to update the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Yeah, that's the CFAA. attempted computer hacking and conspiracy to commit computer hacking offenses will now, will put its proposal to be subject to the same criminal penalties and it'll be a felony. So even if you conspire to commit this you will be guilty of a felony, which is interesting. And there will be a lot of penalties for

2:04:08 not reporting data breaches and actually if a data breach takes place then you as a even as a retail outlet can be prosecuted. I'm not quite sure how that works. It's pretty odd and how does it affect banks? Those guys are getting hacked constantly. Well, actually hacking into bank banks? Like they're like the real, like into the system? I don't know if that's really happening. Oh yeah. I know they're getting DDoS and I know that the sites are being brought down. No, they're getting hacked. There's no question about it. There's been no reporting of it. It gets reported once in a while but it's incredibly hushed up. So this is... So these are the amendments coming to the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

2:05:09 It will make it a crime for a person who knows of a security breach, which requires notice to individuals. So if you don't report it, see something, say something. And then so that's the Personal Data Privacy and Security Act. I don't know, John. It's what we do know is that for the banks, this is kind of a wash, particularly with all the free money they're getting. It doesn't matter. Well, not only that, but the 18 percent interest rate they charge most people for their cards covers all this fraud. You have a card with only 18 percent? Which bank is that? I think it's more like 23 or 27 percent. It's to cover the fraud. Yeah.

2:05:50 Yeah, they could tighten things up but they won't. They have no incentive. They have no incentive. But even that, I mean how you... this is, you know, Kaczynski was right. There is no stopping this. For every new security measure implemented there will be cracked, hacked insider jobs. This is a never-ending story. I don't see how it'll ever change unless we just start using cash again. That's what I do. Are you completely off of plastic altogether? No, you can't be off plastic altogether. I can't order from Amazon with cash. Right. Yeah, that would be the one, man. If Amazon got hammered like that, wow. That would be the one, eh? Because they got my card, they got my info. Yeah, they got everything. So it looks like global cooling is being reconfirmed, although they won't say it. Oh man, I'm seeing so much protest

2:06:49 This is what I'm seeing, and I don't know if you have any clips or anything. I'm seeing a lot of real angry protest against the suggestion that, hey, maybe it's cooling a little bit and it's got really cold. I'm seeing here salon does infographics of scientists who doubt human cause climate change and slinging a pie chart where you see a little thing on bull crap the one guy who disagrees that one guy who disagree was I looked at that and I Downloaded the spreadsheet that the guy had those were papers that had nothing to do with anything. I know I know it was just a One guy that's

2:07:32 Anyway, so but I think this I think this report this global cooling report that I have mm-hmm says it just tells me that something's up and nobody wants to use the Nobody wants to use the coup the C word the cooling word We end tonight with a mystery of nature majestic birds usually found this time of year near the top of the world are flocking south to parts of the United States Jim Axelrod now on this winter wonder Well, right now we're just trying to get a look at a snowy owl. It is just about the best winter ever for bird watchers in the Northeast, at least for those interested in the snowy owl. We don't want to disturb it, but we want to get a decent look at it too. But the trip they've been making 3,000 miles from their usual habitat in the Arctic Circle has put these magnificent creatures in danger.

2:08:28 Norman Smith is a director of the State Audubon Society. We removed 53 from Logan Airport. And in a normal winter, how many might you see? Six. We're not even a month into winter yet. You're right. So this will be the biggest year for snowy owls that certainly I've ever seen. The snowy owl! Yeah, yeah, of course. They're not stupid. They're spreading out. They're not stupid. They can't read. Al Roker, who is the weatherman on the Today Show, who I've worked with quite a bit back in my Z100 days. Z100. Z100, everybody. And I can safely say at the time, at least when I worked with him, he was an incredible dick. Self-obsessed, just dick. So he got really, he was freaking out because

2:09:23 And I mean there's no reason for him to do this by the way. This is what makes me suspicious. Of course the polar vortex, you know, there's a lot of noise saying, oh this is made up and it's brand new. We know that it's not new because this showed up at least in 1974 when global cooling at the time was blamed on the polar vortex. But Al Roker, for some reason, feels he has to yell and scream and protest about this, that it's not some conspiracy about global cooling. I'm not quite sure what is going on, but for the first time, people like him are really on the defensive about their stance on climate change.

2:10:03 And it's an interesting end of note, I feel. A lot of folks have been saying there's no such thing as a polar vortex and that it's some left-wing media conspiracy. Let me tell you something. First of all, we've never used the phrase global warming or climate change in conjunction with this. This is from my textbook from college, the Glossary of Meteorology from the American Meteorological Society, copyright 1959. OK, and here we go. Take a look. right here okay polar vortex there it is okay so for all the doubters out there stop it some are saying that a we've created this phrase to hype it and to create hysteria and that we have made it a political issue by linking it to either climate change or global warming I will give

2:10:53 Anybody who can prove that I have ever linked this with global warming or climate change, I will donate $1,000 to your charity. All right? Hmm, a little weird, this protest of his. I think so. Who was accusing him of anything? I don't know. He didn't tell us. You know, he got some email, you know, from some guy saying, eh, and he just flew off the handle. Just just in, and then we should go and thank some people. Adam from Brian the Gay Crusader. Your commentary on the Wyden comments has inspired me to spend the next 24 hours finalizing this thing, this is the white paper, and get your blessing pushing it out. Well, you have my blessing. I've been having cold feet about the potential backlash, but I can't let egregious lies being pushed by people like Wyden, who I actually admired for the clapper thing, stand. Even if my fellow gays turn on me, at least I'll have the truth and facts on my side. Thankfully, the boys I date are far prettier than they are worldly, so I don't anticipate a backlash in that department.

2:11:56 Really 24 hours. You'll have it all alright cool about time there you go. We've we've inspired him alright Well, let's thank a few people I'm gonna show my support by donating to no agenda imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah And there are a few people to thank including Stan Salisbury in Gainesville, Florida $157.56 and he He's had a guilty conscience apparently. Macbook, 2007 Macbook Pro gave out, he wants to give us a donation for 2013.

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2:21:33 DePrato in Somerset, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Hold on a second, John. You cut out. You cut out there. Anthony W. DePrato in Somerset, Kentucky. And then Jeffrey Anderson in Pittsburgh. Jason Fortune in Geneva, Illinois. Paul Vela, Milton Keynes, UK. Adam Hebert in South Windsor, Connecticut. Erez Shatz in Israel. Sukovi Alexander, our buddy in Moscow. which we need more reports from. And finally, John Streg and Scott Soltis in San Antonio and Indianapolis respectively. And Indianapolis comes in right at the end, again, giving us an indication something's up. And let's hand out the general purpose karma for everybody who requested it. Thank you very much for your support of the show. You've got karma. Also known as the best podcast in the universe.

2:22:31 And we really appreciate it. And it's great because we get to do the show the way you want it, with your input, with your information, with your knowledge. We have a lot of really educated, smart people in very specific areas that we know nothing about, that clearly never are asked anything by the mainstream media. No, they always talk to the toothless wonder on the street. So it's, um, I was going somewhere with that. Oh yes, here's where I was going. We don't have to go the route of the New York Times, who now, and I'm surprised man, the New York Times now doing native ads? Have you seen these? This is a scandal in my opinion. In my opinion as well. I'm seeing huge, particularly technology, they were doing this. Explain what a native ad is. Well a native ad is essentially a story that promotes

2:23:30 product or a service that is written either by or in what is the word I'm looking for is commissioned by the advertiser to write the story and it is usually a positive story it's a puff piece it's a puff piece but it's for the advertiser and it is placed basically in the publication so the New York Times as editorial as editorial and it'll say the New York Times now says paid post But you go in and I have to say they're hiring real journalists and or real writers at least and you know they have little stories and it's all Dell is the one that I saw and they have little bits and pieces about I think the one I thought was interesting was how Common Core standards will now

2:24:20 ensure that the technology that is used for Common Core has to adhere to certain standards and there'll be tests and of course, turns out Dell actually is already ahead of the curve and they're ready for that. And for the New York Times to do that? I agree, I think it's scandalous as well. I mean, they clearly either can't make enough money to exist and so they just essentially create infomercials which now are called native ads. Yeah, it's the equivalent of an infomercial if the info it's actually more like those like that the pieces that we catch being run on the regular news that promote McDonald's to lose weight. Yeah, exactly. And it is the future of how media is going to work and I think the lines blur way too much. That's okay. At least they're putting a little sticker on it. So far.

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2:28:43 the value that continues to live in the show notes so you can always find all the stuff that we're talking about. The show notes are incredible and the show notes are worth the price of admission. People should spider those show notes. They're outrageous. Looks like the push for vaccination is just off the hook. Have you been following the news about the flu? Did you see a story about how this H1N1 is different than the other H1N1? Have you seen any of those pieces?

2:29:19 I just find that weird. You're promoting the crap out of this thing. Yes, no they are. They're really pushing it very hard. And in fact, our Candanavian friends are picking up on it. In Alberta today, you could be excused for wondering if the Flames or the Oilers were selling NHL playoff tickets. Hundreds of people, hours in line, queues snaking along city sidewalks. But no one was thinking slap shots. This was all about flu shots. And the goal wasn't a box office, just a pharmacy counter. The CBC's Chris Brown looks at what's driving a sudden fever. So, gee, I think we know what's driving a sudden fever is a bunch of fear-mongering about people dying. Yeah. Because this is what we saw in 2009 in the United States, and now they're doing it in Candinavia.

2:30:12 Given the choice between joining the flu shot frenzy or ignoring it, a lot of people in Alberta today played it safe and got the vaccine. I wasn't going to get one this year, but since there's been such a big outbreak, I figured I should. Such a big outbreak? Wow. You know, every year if they just took this H1N1 off the table, they could do this death statistic in any area. Same thing. Two dead in Contra Costa County, one dead in San Francisco, one dead in Sonoma County, two dead in Napa County. They could do it every year. You could do this. But this year they've decided to do it with emphasis on H1N1 because that's the one that's been pre-promoted.

2:30:57 from 2009 on and they just want to get their money's worth out of the thing. That's the way I see it as well and Jake Tapper who of course you know Jake is an interesting guy because he got fired from ABC for asking the wrong questions and they got demoted to CNN. He had the direct the CDC's director of viral, it's like influenza, no, of stuff that makes you die. That director, and it's funny because these CDC directors they always have uniforms on For some reason like they I don't know they're like this a militaristic outfit. So this woman comes on his show and she Well, Jake is asking the right questions. The answers are interesting. So remember it isn't too late to protect yourself against flu this year

2:31:46 A message for everybody listening right now, get a flu immunization if you have not gotten one already. There's the commercial, okay we're listening Jake. But it is odd to me and counterintuitive, what makes young healthy people more susceptible to the H1N1 strain? Now this is a good question because this is the propaganda is young people, healthy people, healthy young people, you need to get the shot and I think it's It's just, hey, healthy young people, they're walking around, they're outside, they got a couple bucks, go get a shot, we can sell it to them. That's my answer. But the CDC director will stumble a bit and come up with some answer. Probably two reasons. One is that the elderly probably were exposed to an H1N1-like strain when they were young. Does this make sense, Dr. Dvorak?

2:32:36 There's a couple of ways of looking at it. If that's true, I mean it makes sense logically, but if that's true, why is the second pandemic taking place in the first place because of all the shots that were given in 2009? Let's listen to the second reason. And so they have some natural immunity that has persisted. and then in terms of the other reason is that non-elderly people just aren't as likely to get vaccinated. We're doing better and better with children right now. Each year we're seeing rising rates of children getting vaccinated. It's becoming a norm really for parents to know that getting their kids vaccinated is the right thing to do. But adults

2:33:12 it's a little slower going and so we're really encouraging people, especially pregnant women, people with chronic medical conditions, the extremely obese. These are groups that can be very hard hit with flu when they get it and we're seeing a lot of hospitalizations in those populations. That's not enough though. I think we need to do more and to sell more. And we talked about how 10 children have died from flu-related illnesses. What's your advice for parents out there? How young is too young for a flu vaccine? At what age should they start to get one? Each one of these deaths is so tragic and we have already lost 10 children this year from influenza. Only one of those children was vaccinated. So I strongly recommend parents to make sure your children are vaccinated appropriately. We recommend everybody six months of age and over get a flu vaccine. It can be a shot or a spray depending on your age and your medical conditions. And some children under nine years of age need two doses. So if you're a parent and your child already got

2:34:12 flu vaccine you might want to make sure check with your doctor or nurse about whether the child needs a second dose. What is that? Now you need a second shot? Oh, come on. No, no. That doesn't make any sense. Why did the kid die if he got the shot? It makes no sense either. I don't know. This just doesn't sound like it's real. Have we forgotten 2009 where it now admitted that the... And by the way, why aren't they claiming a pandemic? Are we not at pandemic levels yet? I asked that question on a tweet. Oh, you did? Well, good question. Yeah, it's like, why is this not a pandemic? Because I was in response to somebody said, if it gets any worse, they're going to have to call it a pandemic.

2:34:51 It sounds like it's already way beyond what happened the first time that they called a pandemic. Let's look at, do we remember the definition of the pandemic? Because I know they changed that, but CDC definition of pandemic. There was, it was really low and I think we can probably call this, John, we can probably, let's see, pandemic definition, 2009 revisions. This is from the book of knowledge. I should actually let us know. Okay. It was a 2009... Hmm, pandemic world. It's... A disease or condition is not a pandemic merely because it is widespread or kills many people. It also must be infectious. Okay, it is. In a virtual press conference in May 2009 on the influenza pandemic. Director General said an easy way to think about pandemic is a global outbreak. Ah!

2:35:52 It's not a global outbreak yet, John. That's the problem. Well, Canada, the US, it must be, well, they're just not playing it as global. No, not yet. It has to be in Europe. It's a little late. It's getting a little late. Well, maybe they can still have some time. Yeah. H1, one global. Meanwhile, the true, of course, fix is Tamiflu. It looks like we have a shortage of Tamiflu now. Yeah, they're jacking up the price. Health news, the CDC said today the flu is now widespread in two-thirds of these United States. That is up sharply from just a week ago at this time. Now there's also a shortage of the main drug to treat it. While it is winter, this is flu season, it is worth paying attention to this growing threat. We get the latest on it tonight from NBC's... This by the way is a fine example of native advertising. Right here. That's what it is.

2:36:48 All they need is a little sticker that says paid post. This is native advertising. The two-year-old had a flu shot last fall. So did the entire family. Their doctor prescribed Tamiflu for all five of them. See, I don't get this. She had the flu shot. You have to get it every single year, I guess. Old people have resistance because they had it, but then you get the shot and then you have to have it again every year even though it's the same thing. No one is making any sense. Dr. Oz, please help me. Help me understand how it works.

2:37:30 Do you have a Dr. Oz clip? No, I don't. I'll take it. I'll take it from Dr. Oz. I'll take it from that. So I'm looking at Sanjay Gupta, anybody. I'm looking at the global incident map for outbreaks and it doesn't look global enough. It's only Belize, Romania, Canada, and the US are the only places that have this flu on a daily basis. There's an outbreak in Belize. There's one case of swine flu in Romania. Well that won't do. It's just not good enough. No, this is weird that we have... why is it... this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't know. It's weird. I'm very skeptical about this whole... the way it's working. I got to say, I have a CES report.

2:38:18 CES, the Consumer Electronics Show. Yeah, it was a big show in Vegas with a bunch of junk that they're trying to sell to the public. I heard that wearable technology is the buzzword this year, John. It was at the beginning and then after the show was over, everyone said there's nothing, it's a dud. It's a dud? Yeah, dud. Clip. So I have this CES report with it. There's a thing a guy says in here that just, this is the reason I don't go to these events and this is why I'm kind of... I'm gonna tell you what it is, it just galls me that these people get away with saying certain things. TVs. When it comes to glass everything's curved now. And LG's new Flex phone. And they say that they could actually come so thin that you'll be able to someday be able to fold your phone up. LG also unveiling home chat. Turn your appliances on and off by text. We used to rush home to turn on the washer and dryer. Now we can hit send cleaning, send it a text message and it'll start cleaning. My favorite.

2:39:17 Go. We used to rush home to turn on the washer and dryer. I can't wait! Honey, let me do it, please! Who rushes home? I'm asking you, this isn't Ask Adam. Who the heck rushes home to turn on the washer and dryer? Oh God, I gotta get home to turn on the washer and dryer, because if I don't get there in time, I won't be able to turn it on. I mean, what is the logic here? Well, it's the same logic that makes my refrigerator know that I need milk and orders it for me. It's so galling to hear some idiot from LG say that we used to... No, we didn't. We never rushed home to turn on the washer and dryer. Nobody did. Ever. I'm also... It's funny because I'm also angry about dishwashers in general. Forget washer dryers.

2:40:21 I think dishwashers are failing. When you have to put the forks and the spoons upright in the little basket, otherwise they don't get clean, this technology is not good enough. You know what I mean? I like my washer. What kind of dishwasher do you have? I did a lot of research before. We used to have this, I think it was a Frigidaire, they don't even make them anymore. By the way, this is tech news that will really help you. High pressure stainless steel, it was like the thing kept blowing up.

2:40:58 So I did some research and realized that you don't want a stainless steel interior, you want a plastic interior because it's really quiet. Stainless steel is really noisy so you want to get rid of that. So I got a Kenmore and you don't want electronic controls because it's a wet device and it's going to screw up because of water. This thing is just a water device. So you want just manual controls simple plastic interior Kenmore and more fantastic product and and cheap and do you have to pre-wash your plates no it's got a grinder in it of some sort yeah this is what I want get a cheap Kenmore that has the grinder and it had which grinds stuff in the it gets rid of with plastic interior which is a lot cheaper than stainless steel but he went stainless steel and who cares

2:41:52 and it's just a dynamite product. I'm looking now. Grinder, you say, huh? Yeah, it's got some sort of a thing that grinds, you know, it gets all this, if food gets, goes into something, it grinds up the big pieces. The chopper blade, is that it? I don't know what it's called anymore. The Kenmore Elite dishwasher, aha! That's probably electronic, you'd have to be skeptical. Cleaning the grinder of the Kenmore Elite. Well, of course, we are in a rental home because I can't get a mortgage. So we get a rental home dishwasher and it's just no good. A lot of dishwashers are pretty crappy. Yeah. But we have nothing but good luck with this one. But one day you'll be able to fold up your phone. Yeah, yeah. And you don't have to rush home to turn on the washing machine. And what is the purpose of curved televisions?

2:42:56 I have no idea. Oh, it's a beautiful world we live in. Well, while we're on the technology news, this is something that I am keeping a close eye on is the, and this cropped up a while ago, and now they're really pushing it, the idea of the sponsored data plan that AT&T and Verizon are talking about, where if you're watching, I guess Netflix is the example, then Netflix will pay for your data usage And this is being watched very closely by people who believe that ultimately AT&T will degrade service of other data streams because it's not paid for or not paid for directly or sponsored. Have you been following any of this? Yeah, yeah. There's something that I think this is all part of the Netflix move to stream 4K.

2:43:57 Yeah, that's a good point. Because that's gonna like sink, you know, a lot of people. Do you feel there's a danger for net neutrality or whatever that means? I think the net neutrality argument, I don't know what that's an artificial construct. I'm not buying into it. John at Dvorak.org everybody. John at Dvorak.org. All right, I'll wind up my end here John with I got a couple of snow job clips. First was John Miller who was I don't know if he's staying with CBS or not. I know he's gonna you know he's joining the New York police armed forces Because that's what they are in New York

2:44:38 As I guess he's gonna be spokeshole or whatever and he was on his CBS show that was Charlie and Gail and he said something very interesting about the similarity between being a reporter and being an intelligence officer you in your heart a journalist or a law enforcement official I would recast that question to say am I a journalist or an intelligence officer only because there's almost no difference and Intelligence is nothing more than understanding a problem. Intelligence with very good analysis is understanding a problem well enough to do something about it. The work of intelligence officers and reporters is extraordinarily similar. You become a briefer. You tell your boss, here's the bottom line. These are the potential responses. That's kind of what you all do. Or maybe you work for the same three-letter agency. There you go. That's the way I read his statement. Wow.

2:45:33 Yeah, I think he actually said it. Yeah. Just so you know what's coming, Jeffrey Stone, who was one of the, he was actually the Chicago lawyer, the only true lawyer, I think, on the panel who made 46 recommendations to the president. Of course, most of these will be implemented. The most important one being the metadata program from the NSA. And he is, and when you hear this clip, you will hear very specifically what is going to happen with the metadata. The choices were leave it at the phone companies or put it into one private place. It's pretty clear what's going to happen. Our recommendations basically call for a number of changes in the program that are designed to enable it to continue to serve the purpose that it does.

2:46:24 in terms of protecting the nation, but at the same time to be more respectful of interests of privacy and transparency and to make sure there's a greater degree of judicial oversight of the use of the metadata. By keeping the metadata at the telecom companies? Either at the telephone companies or to create a separate private entity that would have control of the data But not to allow the NSA itself to hold that to hold the database. Yes, yeah, the middlemen give us rates It's gonna be a there's a real bonanza a real bonanza All right, John, what you got? Anything else before we get out of here? I got a bunch of corruption in China. These numbers are kind of interesting if you want to hear about what they're doing about corruption in China. The EU popularity is dropping like a rock. I'd like to hear that. Tell me about the EU popularity. Well, this is a report. Of course, this was on Russia Today. So they're trying to make it sound as though that nobody because there's elections coming up and everybody

2:47:23 thinks the EU stinks now that they've you know they've gotten their money in the EU and now they went on austerity. So you can play this clip. It starts off showing that Spain has 7% popularity amongst the public and then it's dropped to 27. They never say that in the report but they show it on a graph. You can hear the rest. Years of austerity and bailouts are taking a toll on the public's confidence in the European Union, with latest polls showing people's serious disappointment in the bloc's leadership. That doesn't bode well for ruling parties, with key elections on the doorstep. And here's our today's Peter Oliver.

2:48:03 Now in a few months Europeans will be going to the polls in what could be the most important European parliamentary elections, but the latest Gallup poll statistics don't make good reading for those that will be standing for the top spot. across the European Parliament. Even those countries that have received some of the most help, countries like Spain that received 41 billion euros to bail out its failing banking sector, well in 2009 59% of the population said they had faith and they supported the European leadership. Another country that's traditionally been very pro-EU is Ireland. They received 67

2:48:46 1.5 billion to bail out their failing banking system. 70% of the Irish population had previously said that they supported the European Union. Now that number 47%. Well there's also been big declines for support of the EU in countries like Sweden, Finland, Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark and the UK. For the first time since these type of statistics have existed, the United Kingdom doesn't finish last when it comes to those that support the EU. Currently that statistic belongs to Greece with only 19% of their population supporting the European Union and the standard... Okay, so its numbers are falling.

2:49:32 In support you mean? No, no only 19% in Greece. Yeah Yeah, numbers of are falling the number the support numbers are falling to the floor. Yeah, it's just a matter of time Yeah, well miss Mickey wanted an entry in the red book. She says The war is coming it starts in in Turkey and spreads Westward she's not cool. She's that's no need to put a prediction in the red book, but I'll put it in Now, she also wanted me to say some other stuff. What? Well, she got a lot of grief for what I said about her in Israel. She didn't like it. She didn't have a good experience. In Israel? Yeah. Do you remember on the line? Oh yeah, you said that she hated it. I didn't quite say that, but I have to explain exactly what it was. She was there with her boyfriend at the time, and he was on the Israeli national basketball team, Dennis Reisman.

2:50:33 I don't know what his name was. And she wasn't allowed to kiss him in the street. That was one. They detained her at the airport for four hours because they thought she was a terrorist and was going to blow him up, apparently. She almost missed her flight. And she didn't like the fact that when they were driving in the car, they said, please roll down your windows because in case there's a bomb explosion, at least the windows won't collapse in on you. And those were the three reasons she didn't have a good experience. That's a reasonable. Yeah, but I she wanted me to make sure I mentioned that I've got a security It's laughable. Yeah, you know, they got some douchebag is that a lot of questions taking he's you know, figuring something It's just a time wait. Hey, look at me. I got I look like a Nazi essentially why would Well, they were grilling me but they were treating they treat everyone as though they're Arab Arab terrorists, right? But whatever the case, I don't know

2:51:32 I enjoy Israel a lot. I think it's a very good place, the food is great, the views are good. Except for some are pretty gross. I mean there's parts of Israel that are just dirty. Hey we gotta go John because your connection is degrading beyond uh... Alright, I'll call people up and complain. Eh, it's okay. It was good most of the show. When you hear the show it's kind of funny. You talking about me? I'm doing my Nixon in the morning. All right, everybody. Thank you very much for your support. We will be back on Thursday and I'm sure there'll be a lot to report on. I'll be reading the bills. We'll be watching the C-spans and all the prep that goes in to the show that we do for you. Thanks to your support. Dvorak.org slash NA. Enjoy your Sunday.

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