Uptalking Dudes

00:00 Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Sunday, December 8th, 2013. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 572. This is no agenda. Twas the night before Christmas in FEMA Region 6. That's right, from the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley in the Northern Silicon Valley bucket, I'm John C. Dvorak. Alright, might as well explain it right off the bat. Something blew up on my end. Yeah, but it didn't actually there was no actual explosion or anything well That's it. We like this no But we like to make it more spectacular than it is but the plan the planned obsolescence of your rig is getting pretty ridiculous Well, I don't know about this, but I mean it could be the M audio device I told you Audio is yeah M. Audio is generally shite. Yeah, well, this is a par this was working great until just today and

01:02 And then these other devices that do the DDA conversion for these good microphones, most of them are, I mean, if you think that's crap, they're all made by the same jerks in China. Yeah, no, of course. I actually run you through a creative, what is it, Sound Blasters, their high-end, like 265 kilobit outboard thing. Yeah. And that's also marginal. It's a way to what I did here. This is actually the zoom h2n which is a nice little made in China product Is that the one with it with the two mics that that that cross each other on the no? That's the four okay? It's got four mics. Oh wow

01:46 And it has amazingly shit for four mics. Four shitty mics. Yeah, that's great. And so what happens, so I plug this in and then you can go through a rigamarole with the setup and make it so when you talk into this it goes out the USB port and into the computer as though it was a mic. Right. Which is what I'm doing. But It failed when we were talking earlier the same exact way the other thing failed at the port level and you couldn't hear me again and I had to check a bunch of different boxes and get this thing, Skype to listen to this device. So something is, I think it's, I don't know that, I'm not convinced.

02:25 Fully that's the M audio equipment that failed. There's something else I'm gonna have to well I did see the other day because I know I have a a single solitary Windows machine Windows 7 it's on a note notebook and all it does is run Skype for you and the other day as I do shut down Skype and start it back up each time and I got one of those. We are upgrading your Skype experience, which always makes me very worried because I have there's no way to escape out of it. You can't say no, no, I'm okay with the current experience. Please don't change my experience. They're always upgrading the experience and I think that's where things go wrong and you must have had an upgraded experience. Well, I don't remember upgrading anything. No, you have no choice in the matter. When you start up Skype, if you look away, you'll miss it.

03:15 And Skype just says one moment. We're upgrading your experience and that and that was mmm Just the other day, so it's very possible. You got an upgrade of your experience possible There's something amiss, but I'll work on it after the it's okay because this is you know it's not it's it's not all that bad Well considering what the rig is yeah, I'd like I like the Rube Goldstein Rube Goldberg yeah that It's very Rube Goldberg. No, no, this is actually Rube Goldstein. You know what's funny is I'm thinking as this other one thing failed, I said, oh my god, you know, so the first thing I tried before I started the Zoom was I hooked up a Logitech cam which has a microphone on it, even though you know what that sounds like. Yeah. And that wouldn't load it.

04:06 Skype didn't say that yeah, I don't think so interesting so I said well, that's weird that doesn't then I Rebooted Skype, and it still wouldn't load us and all that sucks and so then I think it's alright. That's okay. It's alright. It's alright. We're good. We're good, okay? And I went I went on from there Have you been out amongst the people since Thursday? I've been trying to avoid it. I tried to avoid it and made the mistake of getting in touch with people and actually interacting. You know, you can't really say anything yet about Nelson Mandela. It's just not acceptable. And I got into some debates, let's call it that. Oh, why? Because, you know, here's the funny thing.

04:52 I'm actually a fan of Mandela because I read his history, and I'll be the first to admit I didn't read his history until he was dead, because why bother? With your attitude, I'm surprised. Yeah, okay, go on. And the Book of Knowledge has a pretty good overview and a lot of launching off points so you can go into so-called sources and eventually you can cobble together a story. But it differs quite a bit from the fuzzy wuzzy, we are the world, isn't he a great pacifist, like Gandhi type guy.

05:32 And so my basic argument is I love the guy because he saw that there was no way he was gonna make any change in his country through political discourse, so he started blowing people up. And let's not sugarcoat it. This is a problem. You know how sometimes people's brain fries when you talk about things? This is a brain fryer. But it's the truth. Well his wife was corrupt and they had to think she got arrested a couple of times. She got thrown in jail for six years. I think it's the Winnie Mandela necktie, is that what they call it? Where she would, her gang, I think it was the South African Soccer Club or it had some weird name. They would throw tires around people's neck, fill it up with gasoline and they'd light it on fire and that was the Winnie Mandela necktie.

06:27 Yeah, it was something gruesome. But he got thrown in jail because he was arrested for plotting to blow people up. See, you don't even know the history, do you? No, I don't remember. Well, you know, I did know it and it's just one of these things that just kind of passed me by. There's water under the bridge. Cornel West, who of course is secretly my brother from another mother, the good professor, he actually had a perfect line for it. He has the word of the day. Are we covering up some of the realities of how individuals regarded both the ANC and more specifically Nelson Mandela in all these eulogies?

07:12 I think no doubt we are. I mean Nelson Mandela, spiritual giant, moral titan and political revolutionary. We are witnessing the Santa-clausification of Nelson Mandela. We turned the revolutionary into an old man, a huggable old man with toys in a bag. Cornel West is great. The Santa-clausification. He's a huggable old man with toys in a bag for the kids. Exactly, exactly. I thought it was worse listening to CBS and there's another clip you should probably get ready which is the Clinton classic clip that you have. There are so many. Well, the one where he says I did not, you know, the lying clip.

07:54 He's a liar. He's a pathological liar. We've talked about this. Oh, you mean Bill Clinton? Yeah, Bill Clinton. I don't think we have... we don't have a lying clip from him. You have the clip where he says, I did not have sex with that woman. We do not have... no, we don't have that clip. You play that clip. No! No, no, that's on your Republican radio show. No, no, you play the... On your AM radio show. You and Mark Levine. I don't have that clit. Hey, Mark Levine! I can do Mark Levine! Mark Levine! Listen to the next 30 seconds of Cornell. Are we covering up some of the realities of how individuals

08:34 uh... regarded both the a n c and more specifically nelson mandela all i said all these allergies that's not stop that guy sounds exactly like glenn greenwald as jake tapper he sounds like greenwald listen to him He's Jake Tapper. Yes, but play from the beginning and tell me, and listen, think Glenn Greenwald. Do I have to? Yes! Are we covering up some of the realities about individuals regarded both the ANC and more specifically Nelson Mandela in all these eulogies? It's not, no, Greenwald has a little more, like a little nasty end note to his tone. Yeah, there's a similarity there which makes me think that Tucker's gay. Sorry, this is the joke. Wow. This is the joke, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

09:26 I think no doubt we are. I mean, Nelson Mandela, spiritual giant, moral titan and political revolutionary. We are witnessing the center-clausification of Nelson Mandela. We turned the revolutionary into an old man, a huggable old man with toys in a bag, smile on his face, no threat to anybody, domesticated, tame and no longer really full of the fire. But we know at 95, Brother Nelson Mandela was still full of fire. He had that militant tenderness and subversive sweetness and radical gentleness tied to refusing to be fearful or intimidated in the face of a vicious white supremacist apartheid regime.

10:08 You know, so- Did he belch right in the middle of that? No, I don't think so. I got a little beat up. I was trying to explain to people that I felt, I feel personally it's very important that we understand what Nelson Mandela did because what he did I think is far braver than what he's being given credit for. Because he, if you really look at his history, he studied, he went to college, he started multiple political parties, tried to fight apartheid, saw that he was going nowhere and then said screw it and became a radical and went out and got friends. Friends like the Russians, the Castro, the Chinese I think as well.

10:53 And just, you know, and they funded him and, you know, then they started to cause a ruckus. And, you know, of course people died. But sometimes when you really have no other way to go, that's the way you have to take. And he was offered clemency many times. And he said, well, yeah, I'll come out of jail. But said, no, but you can't run for office. You can't be a political party. He said, screw you, I'll stay in. But he in fact the United States had him classified as a terrorist until the Actually the anti-apartheid movement funded this huge concert which I was a part of in 1988 The free Nelson Mandela concert at Wembley Stadium. You remember that? No. Okay, so I was at MTV for only a year and I got a call something's happening We got it. You got to go to the UK. All right, okay

11:47 And I think this was one of those times when it was so there was no other way to get me there than on Concord. Which is always great when someone else is paying for it. So they whisked me off on Concord and I think I was there with Vinnie Longobardo who was the producer at the time. And it was it was nuts. There were just tons of artists and the Wembley was sold out and it was this huge free Nelson Mandela concert. No one really knew too much about Mandela. No one had met him. We really didn't even know what he looked like, they had a picture and it was such an interesting, no seriously it was very interesting and the guy who organized it is a guy named Tony Hollingsworth and he's a concert, by the way he made five million dollars on the deal and he gave away some of it etc but it was a money-making thing. Thank you love, it's all good now.

12:37 And I found an interview with him where he talks about what the actual reason was behind this concert, which was, it was a gig for him. You know, the anti-apartheid movement came to him, specifically Father Trevor Huddleston. And if you look up Father Trevor Huddleston, he was an alleged child molester. who all actually admitted that, yeah, no, I fondled the boys while they're sitting on my lap. It was all in good fun, just loving good fun. You know, the stuff Michael Jackson got vilified for. So this is the guy who funded this concert. And here's Tony Hollingsworth talking about the concert in his BBC piece I found. And he says specifically what the concert was about.

13:19 1988, Wembley Stadium. 600 million viewers in a hundred countries witnessed a tribute to Nelson Mandela, jailed then for 25 years. Few even knew what he looked like. We ran the whole campaign on a photograph of him 25 years prior because no one knew what he looked like. It was all somewhat of a mystery that we were creating an image around someone that was locked away. 25 years ago... Did you hear what he said specifically? We're creating an image around someone locked away. There were there were people at this point in time who were in ANC who were Much more popular or well better known than Nelson Mandela. In fact at this point in time People were really talking more about Stephen Biko who had died several years before as he was kind of the martyr of the movement so they were literally creating the Nelson Mandela

14:15 image. all necessary for us to be able to sort of reach to what was essentially a tipping point. It began with a meeting with Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, President of the Anti-Apartheid Movement. And I said to him that I thought that the way the anti-parto movements were campaigning and the ANC had sort of reached a glass ceiling. Tony believed that angry protests would only appeal to a few, but by using music as an agent for change, the call to Fremantle would have broad and popular appeal.

15:11 The music industry was on perhaps an all-time high in the 80s in terms of its power within the media industry and the power of those musicians, the currency that they had in popular culture around the world. South Africa was at the height of its oppression and the apartheid government kept up the propaganda campaign. Mandela was seen as a terrorist. There it is, seen as a terrorist. Tony hoped the concert would change that. In 87, 50% of the world's news on television and radio reported Mandela as a black terrorist leader.

15:48 And I said, if the policy now is to single out Mandela as the key to ending apartheid, then we have a real impediment with that word terrorist in the news. Because a black leader you can release from prison, but a black terrorist leader you can't. This is all generated from one man that none of us has ever met, Nelson Mandela. The tributes came from some of the biggest names in pop music of the 20th century. So you get the idea, the whole plan, the whole point of this concert was to... Is promotional. Yeah, promotional. And cleanse Mandela of the terrorist label, which is all fine. And the problem that I ran into over the past couple days is just talking about this, people get really offended

16:36 Like, but it's just history. I just want you to know, but it's important to me. You're gonna get shot one of these days. Hey, thanks pal. So in 1993 I was in South Africa with the family. And this is the year before Mandela got elected and it was during the transitional period between the apartheid and non-apartheid. And somewhere along the lines, I guess things had changed because all I remembered, besides Mandela posters everywhere, there was... the atmosphere wasn't that grim, I could say that. But when we went to Johannesburg and we were roaming around the streets, there was a couple of things that were very noticeable to me. One, you never saw any police anywhere. Right. Once in a while a tank would go through, but that was rare.

17:27 And the other thing was that being of white family in the middle of Joburg was a kind of an enlightening experience because everybody would say, you're American? Oh, we love you so much. I mean, it was somewhere along the line, I guess it was Clinton, they had flipped the public perception that the Americans were the ones against apartheid. So you were like a hero. I'm surprised they didn't carry us on their backs. It was very unusual because you don't run into that. They're all, you know, it's so great. America's great. You're great. It was kind of interesting. Now, Clinton apparently ran into Mandela in 92.

18:10 And he talks about him in this clip, and the way Clinton tells it, of course he's a pathological liar, so we have to take it with a grain of salt, but he tells it as though they're the best friends ever. BFF. But there's, he also says he met him in, and this is kind of a mysterious comment he says, he says, I met Nelson Mandela ironically in 1992. Now I don't know what he means by this, by ironically. So there's something, there's a back story here that's not apparent, at least maybe someone in the audience will pick up on why this is supposedly ironic or Clinton's just misusing the word. Recently we asked Mr. Clinton about their special bond. You met with Nelson Mandela more than any president and I wonder what was your relationship in those days? Well we became good friends. I met him, ironically, in 1992.

19:03 at the Democratic Convention in New York when I was being nominated for president. We had a lot of business to do. They were one of the countries that voluntarily gave up their nuclear arsenal. And in the process of that, we became good personal friends. And we used to do business together on the phone where the time difference was so great, I would take the call at night. And if it wasn't too late, Mandela would make me go get Chelsea Every time he called and he would talk to her and ask her if she was doing her homework. And he was an enormous help to me during all every

19:42 Difficult time I had as president. Wait a minute, was this the time when he was, uh, had Monica the Lewinsky scandal? Was that that period? Probably. Okay. And I don't get the... and by the way, I don't believe half of what Clinton says in this. Well, Mandela didn't remarry three times, so it could be like marital advice. That could be, but I just don't see him calling... I want Chelsea on the phone! That kind of thing. Well, who knows? Who knows what's going on with that? And I'm reopening my show notes, we had a little issue earlier. But it's when you look now, unfortunately what's happening, and I think this is a very bad thing, and this is...

20:24 This is probably part of what I was feeling. It appears the Republican Party here in America is on some kind of mission to tell everybody that Mandela was a terrorist! Just like that. No nuance, no nothing. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. How is Mark Levine doing with it? This is exactly what's happening. This of course is a real problem. There are crap it looks like I lost a whole bunch of stuff here shit anyway. Yeah, so I think that the we're gonna have this argument. The guy's a 95 year old man. Right, but he was on the terrorist list in the United States until 2008.

19:42 Difficult time I had as president. Wait a minute, was this the time when he was, uh, had Monica the Lewinsky scandal? Was that that period? Probably. Okay. And I don't get the... and by the way, I don't believe half of what Clinton says in this. Well, Mandela didn't remarry three times, so it could be like marital advice. That could be, but I just don't see him calling... I want Chelsea on the phone! That kind of thing. Well, who knows? Who knows what's going on with that? And I'm reopening my show notes, we had a little issue earlier. But it's when you look now, unfortunately what's happening, and I think this is a very bad thing, and this is...

20:24 This is probably part of what I was feeling. It appears the Republican Party here in America is on some kind of mission to tell everybody that Mandela was a terrorist! Just like that. No nuance, no nothing. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. How is Mark Levine doing with it? This is exactly what's happening. This of course is a real problem. There are crap it looks like I lost a whole bunch of stuff here shit anyway. Yeah, so I think that the we're gonna have this argument. The guy's a 95 year old man. Right, but he was on the terrorist list in the United States until 2008.

21:12 Now let's talk about the timing of this. This is, this of course is interesting. We've been looking at Mandela and his health for many many months. Well, almost a year now I'd say. Yeah, we felt that he was going to be a foil. Yes. In some, during some incident. So in other words, too much attention being paid to something, let's let Mandela die. Well there is something that happened in South Africa which is the the toll roads opened up on the day he died. Now this has been ongoing, this is a big deal there. We know nothing about this, we've heard nothing about it, it's nothing that concerns us.

21:51 But for three years these toll roads electronic toll roads, and when you see the toll road I mean, please don't think that South Africa is like some dusty, you know backwater place It's there's a beautiful toll roads that have been built and people have been using these toll roads and of course for commerce for many many years and on the day he died whether planned coincidence or whatever The tolls went into effect and now you have to pay which is you get a bill and this is all electronic number plate recognition stuff you get a 500 Rand bill every week Which I think is five bucks maybe or 50 bucks. I'm not sure how much that is and I'll look it up. Yeah of course

22:36 In all honesty, you're really not dead until the marketing department says you are and and in this case that would be Harvey Weinstein's marketing department because the movie Mandela which is based on his book Long Road to Freedom premiered in London with Mandela's daughter. It's the long walk to freedom. Yeah premiered and she got the news of his death while she was at the premiere of the movie and Nice. I mean work. I mean come on. Yeah, it's about a dime. So yeah, yeah What 500 Rand is a dime? No 500 Rand would be 50 bucks. I told you so 50 bucks Yeah, that's what I said. I'm just confirming it. Yeah, exactly. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot It's 200 bucks a month. There's going if that's what it is. That's pretty high. I

23:33 Of course, there's all kinds of interesting stories about cocaine smuggling that the ANC may or may not have been involved in. This is normal, I think, if you're in any kind of power position, if you have any kind of group that needs to be funded one way or the other. America invented that, by the way, the cocaine and arms stuff. So I honor the man, I honor Nelson Mandela, but I want to honor him properly for the true revolutionary that he was. He was not Gandhi, you know, he may have changed later in life and thought, okay, well now that everyone agrees with me, now I can be cool, which is essentially the way I see it happened. But that's not how it started. And it's been very... No, actually, he was also a socialist idealist and never implemented anything. A communist.

24:26 Yeah, communist. He was a communist. And it's funny because now Stephen Biko, who was, as I said, he was also a freedom fighter at the time, his widow is now supporting an opposition group to the ANC. You know, the more things change, the more they stay the same. And I don't think South Africa is fixed by any stretch of the imagination. No, in fact there was a good op-ed for anyone out there looking for op-eds to read in the New York Times by Zizek, the Slovenian philosopher and student of Lacan. He kind of condemns Mandela for being a phony.

25:12 He's a communist. Okay that boys says he's a communist, but whatever the case is he says he had all these ideals And then you just became another sellout to the to the west and that was the end of it Which is you know the way things are who who's in this movie because you know I this is very obvious Oscar No, it's not too late I don't think it's too late. Oh, no, is this no this is that the Oscar time this when you bring out the movies at the last minute? What I'm talking about thinking it for I don't know why we're through my head, but I'm thinking it's March right But I'm just I'm just looking at who's in it who's gonna get an award it'll get best make it like today's date is March

25:58 I don't understand what you're saying. That's what I would when I heard that I said oh, it's way too early for the Oscars. It's it's it's March in the year. It's December. We're in December. Okay, all right. Yeah, all right. Justin Chadwick. Yeah, no. Well, you don't know I mean could be could be best new artist. Oh, no, that's a different awards. Wow, that's very loud. This mic is oversensitive. Yeah, it is just a little bit. Not really big names in this. No, it's got no chance. No, it's got movies. Documentary. It's not a documentary. It'll have movie of the year. No, it won't. Yeah, best movie. Yeah, of course it will. Oh, okay. Just put it in the book. Why bother? Anyway, I think also you might want to look at Arthur Goldreich as a name, who Mandela conspired with at the time.

26:58 Of course it would the CIA actually busted the CIA were out to get him back in the day So the fact that you were there and then people were all loving you is kind of nutty because I literally tried to you know bust him well They failed yeah Maybe they still have a sense that they still have a de facto apartheid it didn't change anything and not much Yeah, it didn't change a lot But it, and I'll quote Mickey on this, it gives people hope. Yeah, hope and change. Yeah, you know what, don't try that line on her. That's not gonna work. That's not gonna work.

27:44 We got the hope and there's change in your pocket. People need some kind of hope and Mandela stands for hope and it's just I'm a little saddened that the brand has changed from what he really is because I get hope from the original brand, the OG Mandela. That people will stand up and really fight for what they think is right. And that's the end of all I got to say about that. What's the name of this other guy you wanted me to look up? Oh, Arthur Goldreich. G-O-L-D-R-E-I-C-H Arthur Goldreich. I think he was also involved in the funding of the ANC. Speaking of funding, if I take a little look right now, this has been quite hilarious. I got calls coming in from

28:31 extremely wealthy people in Los Angeles who live in like Hollywood and they've been sending around this this document from Citibank I don't know if you've seen this this flower point that's that was rolling around apparently I probably got moved to spam apparently yeah well no this is you know Citibank did a Bitcoin analysis And of course that was like, oh wow, I'm like, okay. And every private banking client got a copy and like, oh what should we do with this? Should we invest in Bitcoin? And I'm like, if it was my own money I wouldn't invest a dime in it, but I'm holding on to 10,000, which is a very confusing message for people who are asking me for advice. You have 10,000 Bitcoins now? No, I said if it goes to 10,000. Oh, 10,000, yeah.

29:16 And so subsequently I think it has to do with this PowerPoint if you look at the if you look at the message boards and reddit which is just funny. I'm sorry I mean the Bitcoin community. The Bitcoin community. It's because China, China, the Chinese Central Bank said it's not, it's not, don't laugh, it's not money. And so it went from 1200 down to well it's at one point it was under 600 now it's around 750. Bye. Yes, I'm telling you, you have to understand this is exactly the buying opportunity. Now I'm not buying anything because I'm not playing this game because I have other things to do. If I'm going to do stocks and bonds and trading, then I'm going to give up everything and do that full time. And I'd be pretty good at it because I have worked, and John, you're going to probably agree with me, I have worked and worked for and worked with many bank dudes, traders.

30:16 And they are not the brightest bulbs of the bunch. There's no genius to what they're doing. You have to think really, really simple. It's all... it's a scam. It's just... it's a pump and dump. They all got the inside information. They know when to... they just know when to get in and to get out because they're all... that's really annoying. But the sounds you're making it doesn't work with this microphone. I Didn't make a sound okay That was I've tried to reload Firefox and it gave an error message and for some reason it went through this this thing Have you ever hung out with with traders and bank traders? I know these guys yeah, you know you're right They're the guys in the olden days and the guys at the strip bar with the waiting for Raven to come to the stage Exactly and they're not smart

31:06 They're fun to be with sometimes. Oh no, they're fun, but they're not like geniuses, like they're so incredibly smart and that's how they make all this money. It's a scam. No, you have to remember, I always say this, these are the guys who couldn't really get a college degree, so they had to take business classes. Yes, yes, exactly. And then they fell into banking, the first thing, they always have to come to the boiler room, where they're calling up people and taking their money. Right, they all worked in a boiler, everyone worked, I actually worked in a boiler room. I think you've told this story. But tell it again. I like this. Yeah, I used to work. It was interesting because I did learn quite a few things and I was also salesman of the day one day when I just... Did you get a parking spot? That's why I think I got kind of interest in direct marketing because it just turns out that it's all a numbers game.

31:57 You make a lot of calls, you get X number of people that say yes, and you have a script and you read it. But this was for some bogus charity, it was for a basketball game, the Warriors game, and you sold them tickets and they get to write off something for their taxes. I can't remember the exact pitch, but I do remember one group I don't know if I had to deliver the tickets or I had to pick them up or they refused. There was an operation, it was a music company in Oakland and it was like Sherman Clay. It was a big company, it wasn't them but it was somebody like them. When I went to give them the tickets, they said, no, no, we never order these things, we don't want these tickets.

32:41 And they somehow they got a receipt or anyway the guy who ran the whole boiler rooms all those guys Yeah, they do that every year. They never really buy anything, but they get the receipt and then they use it for their taxes It's like a reverse scam on the scale Here's the scam that I found that I was introduced to in the 90s when I won Bankers Trust was Was my client and we built a derivatives trading desk for him Here's how it works. You send a thousand emails with a stock pick and you send 500 you send and you say this is this thing is going up and the other 500 you say this thing's going down.

33:20 And then by the way, this is still being done with sports betting. People don't understand. I think it's I think it's been outlawed, but people don't understand how it is. No, it's totally illegal, but you can still get away with it. So then you wait for the stock to go up or down and then you just take whatever 500 and you say, hey, if you had been in, it would have been groovy because, of course, all you want is their money to trade because you're going to make money whether they win or lose. You're going to get your commission. And of course, you know, Depending on certain deals, you're gonna trade with him, you're gonna make even more. But that's the game. It's literally that simple. It's not like a genius scam or anything. But that's how it's done.

33:56 Yeah, and then you have to remember that the 500 that went up, you take 250 of them. Yeah, exactly. You do it again and again until you get down to the last guy who's apparently a super, he's won every time. And then you give him some real heavy, now you gotta plunge, because you're at the end of the game when there's only like 10 people left in the pool. And then you just make him bet lots on something. Gotta love it. Anyway, God. Oh yeah, I know it's ridiculous. What are we doing this show for we have so many good ideas We can do that Just no these balls. I like the idea to go greasy sleazeball. We can't do that We're not we're not built for that. I can't even can't even can't even argue about Mandela. Thank you I can't even get that far you can't even you can't even BS the robots

34:47 Nah, it wasn't the Obots. You could pretend to be an Obot. I think that's what the challenge is. It's not working. It's not working. Let's see... What else? There was a couple other things that were happening, but this of course is going to occupy us. This is great though. I think the timing is pretty good. The news organizations are very, very happy. Because they had all this stuff laying around and you know you have to get stuff ready for the Christmas holidays. This is really... It's perfect. It's really, really perfect. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of news. I mean, there was a couple interesting things. I thought it was, you know, Kim Jong-un had gotten into a beef with one of his ministers who was an old buddy that supported him in the early days. Yeah, but this is the guy who was already kind of dodgy, right? Hadn't this guy been in trouble before? Yeah, he's been in trouble before. He's kind of a sleazeball. I think he's the guy, now that I hear this report, I want to play a teaser from Van Kat.

35:45 And this is the North Korean, this is what's going on in North Korea. And of course they demean it. After the amazing shows and theme parks, his latest project is the construction of an enormous ski resort. Welcome to the wonderful world of Kim Jong-un. In a country cut off from the rest of the world, with a quarter of the population starving, who are these resorts for? An investigation into the deluded fantasies of the North Korean leader. reporters on false and cat and false and cat dot com whether they're trying to get a free ski pass by being bitches so they're not going to be a get a free anything from this guy no i'm so we've s spotted this years ago that kim jong un wants to turn north korea and i think the vice the first vice visit to north korea and my subsequent wanting to go there before

36:41 uh... what the other guy was still in power we came to the conclusion that they want to turn north korea into a because it's pristine so turn into a tourist trap and get some money into that country i think it's doable but everybody seems to be against and i think that the reason for that sketchy guy getting thrown out his he's i'd only when they capture that american veteran of the korean war and then they had a prisoner for a week or two yeah i think that must have just made kim jong Own go nuts. He probably went ballistic because they don't need this sort of review on this reverse They trying to dare. I think they are trying to become a tourist trap. I think that's why they built a ski resort Let's let's say tourist destination and not tourist trap. What do you have a horn? Are you a strap? Are you honking a horn? No, I keep going No, no, there's no more noise in here at all. All right. I don't know what's coming. Oh

37:36 horn yeah well your your audio situation is a little little weird yeah no I think tours destination is is more fair and and you know based upon the vice documentary which involved Dennis Rodman and the Disney Corporation for the Harlem Harlem Globetrotters it's pretty obvious that we're looking at Disneyland North Korea Yeah, or something like that. There's going to be something going on, but then there was Demi. I mean, this guy is trying to do... I mean, maybe we're wrong about this analysis, but if you look at it objectively, it seems as though the guy's trying to do the right thing. And the idea of... It's not uncommon for a lot of places to rely on tourism. In fact, Egypt

38:22 is really you know they're freaked out about you that's what i want to get the trainers to come over to egypt for a last report that we had yet there'd be if they want they need more tourists because a lot of americans and other people like we're not going to eat it anymore used to be a number one tourist destination for for the adventuresome traveler but now nobody wants to go there because of the one thing or another and so the chinese may pick philip that pick up the the pace here but tourism is a huge industry and kim jong-un is not an idiot it seems to me maybe he is but i just don't see it and i think that all these things make sense to me that they're trying to do some but they keep getting blasted by the western media and that that van cat thing the deluded guy is crazy and i have a i have kind of a new

39:13 China theory that I want to I want to lay out before you but we'll thank our producers first But what I don't understand is isn't it time that we just? Figure out a way to get into North Korea legally I mean we we have an issue with China and I think I figured out what the real one of the real big problems is the new problems that we that is great for the show and To keep our eye on but I mean we're already we're in Japan when the Philippines or in Australia I mean we were all over the place. Why wouldn't we figure out a way to really be in North Korea? We have South Korea North Korea is just that much closer and isn't there or doesn't does that make that make no sense what I'm saying I'm not sure what you're saying

40:02 Are you, what is the implication? You're saying why aren't we more closely connected? Is it possible? No, no, why aren't we even closer to the Chinese border? We're trying to surround the Chinese anyway. Why wouldn't we make nice with North Korea? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I think it's because there are certain things we require in terms of playing ball, especially with Asian countries. You know, you have to kind of kowtow. There's something, we're always requiring them to do something that proves their worthiness. I don't think the North Koreans have been out of it for so long that they have a hard time communicating. Or maybe it's just some old throwbacks to the armistice or the Korean War or some... Who knows? I don't know. I think you're right. It makes no sense to me. It could also be the impetus for us being in South Korea.

41:03 Maybe just because we want to exploit South Korea or... No, no, we can be in South Korea because of North Korea. If we're in North Korea because of China, then it's kind of obvious. maybe that's what it is uh... could be that that that would simplify it it's possible because of the way of the into two countries combined and became one entity has an all sudden word word in china's backyard was a helluva need to be there for well now we're protecting south korea have an excuse exactly we have we have a reason i'm very excited to talk about this uh... new thing is actually something that you turn me on to but first let me Say thank you for your courage and in the morning to you John C. Dvorak in the morning to everyone in the bucket in the morning to you Adam in the morning all the ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there yes and in the morning to everyone who I think can hear us again on the stream no agenda stream calm no agenda chat net we had a Lightning strike yes those of you on the podcast didn't hear much. I don't think we had a power outage and pretty much the skype box

42:05 The router here, everything was on the UPS. But my... and maybe it was just a blip or something. I thought this computer was also on the uninterruptible power supply, but it rebooted and everything is running. Like my notes, the recording, the stream, everything. And the funny thing is, because I'm using the Ultimate Podcast device, so it's just hardware going straight into that Windows machine. And you're like, everything's fine! It's working fine! It's like, no, no, you can hear me, but We're not on the air. It's working fine And thank you to our artists who are always there to Brighten up our our album art Martin JJ Did the artwork for episode 5 7 1 a great job by the way it is a proven fact that when we have shitty? Artwork donations are down, so it's it's really it's a big deal and

42:59 And it's highly appreciated. Because there was a nice piece that we could have used, but this type font, the settings, the... Adam does not... I use a 450 by 450 image on the blog, but the main site uses... You shrink down to what? 300, 250? I do half of what the submission is. Yeah, so you do a 250 by 250. If you cannot read the text

43:38 on a shrunken 250 by 250 iconic album cover art, we won't use it. So that's one thing you should note. The other one is we do not, we have long since stopped using our images. I think we used a Paul Couture one recently which had our images. No, no, no, we talked about it. We didn't, I don't think we used that one. Oh, we didn't use it? No, we didn't use it. We stopped using our own images because the first two years of cover art was essentially the same shot, two shots of us with the, you know... In fact, there is, when we're dead, They're still going to be showing those pictures of us. It's like Mandela's picture is when he was 25. This is going to be our high school photos and it's not really flattering this photo.

44:22 No, these photos aren't that interesting and so we don't use our images We want something that's thematic kind of says has one joke about that something we said in the show or you know that kind of thing or just something really in just kind of general that that would work as an ever-releasing emerge make it original because we are always oh yeah, that's the other we look at art and we say okay this it this looks like this picture was stolen and someone just put some words over it and Nine times out of ten. That's true Right. We had a piece a couple of weeks ago that was really a gorgeous piece. You liked it a lot. And I ran it. What we do, if you're interested, we take the image and we just to make sure that it's original or at least

45:06 At least it's been made over enough so that it qualifies as fair use. Let's not get into the whole conversation of fair use again. We pass it by the fair use, we apply fair use rules to it. Let's put it that way, John. Yeah, so what we do is we go to, people don't know this but I'm going to tell them that they can do this. I think a lot of people are unaware. If you go into a chat room and you get a picture of somebody, so here's my picture. You mean sexyblonde.jpg? Sexyblonde, the sexy blonde chick. And so you go to Google Images and there's a little camera icon in the search bar. You click on that and then you just drop the picture there and Google looks for that picture on the internet.

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46:53 12 plus 8 plus 13 equals 33. Hello everybody! We missed that one. Yeah. But she's... I know. I always, I always already wanted to donate the small token of support for the impending wedding of Jessie and Buskill Jr. in order to bestow the best of the karma on the happy young couple. Me personally, I would like to request the humble helping of divorce karma. I guess the world balances it out. It does, yeah. As proceedings are bound to turn nasty, hence the paucity of my donations of late. Wow. Lawyers are taking a huge bite. Oh wow. Nevertheless, please keep doing what you do as you provide many an hour of moral support in addition to the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for your courage. Well, Grand Duke Sir Stephen Pelsmacher's protectorate of Belgium and France

47:44 There is nothing like the support you have given the show and we highly appreciate that and if you need any legal help, I'm pretty good with the divorce proceedings. I am, I am, I'm pretty good at it. So here's your karma, sir. You've got karma. You know I did my divorce myself. Yeah, you did it yourself. That took a lot of guts because you were divorcing a celebrity. Yes. And celebrities are not, are no pushovers for divorces. It was really sad because I kept telling... my first wife I kept telling her, I said, don't you don't we can work this out don't do this with these shitty lawyers because they're only going and she started with a British lawyer, a Dutch lawyer, then an American lawyer and they took so much of our money because it was our money it was both our money. It took so much of it and it's like it's because I'm sitting here I'm doing this myself I'm googling what they're saying

48:40 you know, family law section 203. I'm googling, I'm seeing what it says and I'm just replying and I just put Hath and Doth in there and it looks good and she didn't believe it. She thought I had this huge legal team. Her lawyers thought I had a huge legal team. You get away with a lot with Google. Yeah, well there's a lawyer here who's, you know, my friend, the constitutional lawyer. I mean, the constitutional lawyer! He says I could do it. He says I could study and take the bar and I could do it. And that may be a project sometime in my future. Yeah, yeah, you should. I think you should do it. Do it, do it, do it. Do it. Anyway, I'm available, Sir Pelsmacher, if you want any help. I mean, I'll have to brush up on Belgium law, but it can't differ too much from the lowlands.

49:38 I wouldn't think so. Andrew Blackburn, with no note that I could find anywhere, $333.72 from Mount Zion, is also an executive producer. And our third will be Thomas Borowski in Deutschland, Obing, at 333.33. Forgive me if this is a bit of a downer, but I want to thank you guys for giving me a safe ride home. My mom died today. I got the call while I was in the car driving home from work even though I've been preparing for this for a while. It hit me like a ton of bricks. And the stuff you two dug up for your show as usual was what kept me on the road for the 90-minute drive home. I even laughed out loud at times despite the terrible news. Please consider this executive producer donation not mine but my mother's." So you put her on the list. She's Ursula Borowski.

50:33 Borowski. Borowski. It's Borowski. She was 71 in lieu of a fuck-sclerodoma jingle which is what... Scleroderma. Yeah, I mean... Please give her a fuck cancer and send me some general all-purpose karma. I'll know what to do with it when I get it. Yeah, 71 is too young, man. That's not okay. Well, we're very sorry. I'm happy that we can at least make you laugh. It's usually the best medicine I find in these types of situations. So we will definitely credit Ursula with this executive producer donation and we of course really appreciate it.

51:25 Sorry, couldn't resist. Just send a donation via PayPal for Sunday show but use PayPal's lame arse mobile system which doesn't let you as doesn't leave a note doesn't let you leave a note. Yeah, you know I've seen because they upgraded my experience on the PayPal mobile app as well. Have you looked at this thing? You open this PayPal mobile app it's like it's like they're trying to gamify it or something. Why not make it a simple thing where you can pay people? It's really become dumb. He wants some exam karma. Oh, of course. That's always good. Common core. You've got some common core karma. He apparently sent this note to Eric directly thinking I would lose it, which is probably not a bad policy. I might mention anyone out there. Yeah, if you send it to shill at no agenda nation dot com, that's a that's a very good idea. So it's it's insurance policy. Most people send it to me. Ludmilla, which is

52:27 Which you, by the way, requested about three years ago. Well... Amelia Bogush Donned in Novato, California. Right up the street from me. I have to pass through that little town when I go to the Twitch show. Nice place, there's a Costco there. Hello Adam and John. Adam, I know you want pictures. Here's some video of me being interviewed. I am a successful and very well-known Ukrainian businesswoman in the area of time management. Oh, yes, she sent us an update about the Ukraine. That's right. My new husband and I share an office and he listens to No Agenda while working. I thought, what is this strange podcast he's listening to? I finally got past all the strange noises you guys make. And find that I agree with almost all of your evaluations and predictions. Okay, hold on a second. She's super cute.

53:24 You gotta Google her name. You could oh, okay But what I like is she I guess her company is bogus tech which looks like bogus tech With an H But she has this cute like really, you know, like this huge hat that she's wearing a fantastic Yes, she sent an update on the Ukraine, which I'll read later. I I finally agree with almost all your evaluations and predictions. You guys are really providing us great service, bringing awareness of the actuality of many things. So I started a

54:04 As a producer with the $200 donations toward my Damehood, now I live in Marin across the bay from John and I have apps to provide my goal management technology. For 2014, I'm making a New Year's gift to the first 14 No Agenda producers. My 2299 app, Time Optimizer Pro. My app has the lofty purpose of making it, you able to be more effective Life produces producers should download the free version of the app from the App Store then email from the app I free version time optimizer Email subject no agenda. Okay, so let me let me play this back to you so Translate please okay, so she first of all she's starting her Dame hood with this $200 associate executive producership and we really appreciate that and

54:54 She's famous, she's super cute looking, she's from the Ukraine and she's a business consultant and she's made an app that helps you optimize your life which John you may want to consider looking at this. Let me make a note on the back of this envelope. Exactly. And the app is $22.99, which I think is a fine price for a great app. I hate the whole idea that an app that people have put all their life's effort into is valued at 99 cents. That's the one thing I didn't like about Steve Jobs. But she's giving you a deal, so if you get the free version of it and you email with the subject No Agenda,

55:35 Then she's gonna give you a deal on the app. I think that's what she's saying. And by the way, people, this is cool if you want to do that, but don't email us and say, I've got a deal for your No Agenda producers without actually donating to the show. Because then what are we doing? We're like Carbonite now? Yeah, no, we don't do that. No, we don't we're not interested in that Appreciate it, but we're not interested. So this is we were not we're not we're not right. No, we do what we do We do nobody else does this No, this is true. Nobody else does this because they don't know what they're doing. We we have a system in place that that

56:16 that people enjoy and we produce a good product and we don't deal with douchebag advertisers. And I think the key here is it's a good product. You have to admit there's something good about it. We have Ukrainian expats telling us we have a good show, despite this. It's just a little you know what when you hit the bell really loud on this particular setup Something that compressor kicks in and then it gets really loud And I you hear me move the belt the believe me the bell is like 10 feet away from here I'm gonna move it down to the floor this of course while John's doing it This is the only podcast that really tries to lift the veil and give you the information of what's going on behind the scenes now you have to be careful with this because it's

57:01 It's inflammatory, it's dangerous. And I'm pre-warning you, like the Mandela stuff, this is not a good idea. Don't go around saying, he was a terrorist! This is not a good idea. The Republicans are gonna do that. Watch that happen. Watch. And it's really sad because it's not the point. The point is he changed the world, but he did it differently than what we're teaching kids. That's sad. I don't think he changed the world. Think he did think you changed South Africa somewhat. Yeah, well still is the machine still in place, and this is cranking away beating down the masses You're worse Okay, so let me just write this down Mandela Was a terrorist nothing changed okay? Let's make one there. We got it there we go Summarized oh nice

57:57 From the PR bin, thank you very much, Ramsey Kane. There's a brand new No Agenda CD out, noagendacd.com. Now this is great because the No Agenda CD is, you can actually download and it's got artwork and you can turn it into a CD. It has all these little bits that help you, well hit people in the mouth is of course the right idea, but you want to find the people who are already kind of there. And you hand them one of these CDs and they'll go, Oh, okay. Yeah, I get it. We want people that, it goes like this, oh, these guys are confirming what I've always believed. Exactly. Exactly. That's really our audience. It's people who have been, they look at the media, they see what's going on, and they shake their heads thinking something, they know something's wrong.

58:45 Now, people who are all in lockstep, O-bots, they're just going along with the program. They're O-bots, they're Bush-bots, they're all the same. Whatever the government says is great. All that you're doing is not good because the government disagrees. Those guys are what they are. There's no way of changing them. They're idiots. It's not even that, John. It's beyond that. It's the people who think that the kids should... no one should lose in school. Right. It's really... and it's hard. It's hard. You're going to lose friends if you don't watch it. And those of you who have a spouse who is of a different opinion, don't force it. Don't. It's not worth it. And also don't gloat. I make this mistake.

59:32 This is... Oh, smug? Yeah, no, I gloat. Haha! I told you that guy would amount to nothing! Haha! It doesn't work. It doesn't... Yeah, don't do that. It's not fine. It's not nice. It's not fair. In fact, I'm... I've made a pretty conscious decision since this past couple of days. I'm gonna try and keep a lot more just on the show and just be happy-go-lucky in life because it's just better. Yes, I would think so. Yeah. Anyway, so Ramsey has... and his boss makes him do this. This is his actual job, which is phenomenal. And everything's available on iTunes as well. And he has the No Agenda CD in the NPR logo colors. So it's... you can get easily confused.

1:00:17 It's a bait-and-switch, which is really nice. So check that out at noagendaCD.com and thank you all very much our executive producers and associate executive producer, UkraineExpat. All of you will be mentioned prominently in the credits along with whoever does the album art for this episode. Really do appreciate it and these of course are real credits now. You can put them anywhere where credits are valid We find your LinkedIn page is very interesting and you might you might find that people who also listen to the show would be Prone to giving you a job sooner. It's just a little once a step around the office exactly to Borac org slash and

1:01:00 And of course, it wouldn't be too bad if you went out of prompt gate or formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order! Shut up! Shut up! Yay yay yay. It's alright. I feel... it's alright. It's all good. Whoa! You seem to be... I don't know. I seem to be what? Kind of hemming and hawing about this, whatever happened to you talking about Mandela in public somewhere in Texas.

1:01:38 Yeah, I was taken aback by the pushback. And it's because I didn't realize, I don't think, probably how negative I speak most of the time. Which is perceived negative by some, but is truthful to me. Yeah, I can see that. And you know, it's like, let's put it this way, not everyone wants to be married to John C. Dvorak. Okay. And I gotta be careful about that. I don't know what I've got to do with it, but okay. Because, you know, you're the ultimate.

1:02:14 The ultimate what? You know, the guy who says it all sucks. I know, but I do it in a lighthearted way. Yeah, I know. I got exactly. You do it with a smile. You're getting fucked. Hey, so something was bothering me two shows ago. And I pulled the clip out that you played and it bothered me and I went to look at it and I think I stumbled upon something that is pretty interesting for the No Agenda show, something we'll keep our eye on in 2014. I'm going to replay the clip that you sprung on me.

1:02:54 Well, let's now move on to other news a high-speed railway route has opened in North China Forming the last link in the high-speed rail network from the country's north to south The line goes from Port City Tianjin to coastal Qin Huangdao in Hebei province and his first train set off on Sunday morning from Tianjin. The nearly 300 kilometer long journey only takes about an hour and 10 minutes, half the time it takes by regular trains. It connects with Beijing to Harbin and Harbin to Dalian routes to the north and the Beijing to Shanghai route to the south. Okay, so I looked at this train route and there was another story I don't know if it was a clip or if you told me or if we found it someone I think was an American politician saying that China had at this point laid down 10,000 miles, but maybe was kilometers of rail. I think this was I think this was on TV. I think it was Norman Mineta Hmm who was making a big fuss about all the rail that China's laid down. I

1:03:55 So, as I'm researching this, and I have a URL for you to look at, which is always fun, I'll give that in a second. I came across the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. And the Shanghai Cooperation Organization has been around for a while, but the main actors in this are China and Russia, but along with that a number of other interesting member countries. We have Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan. We have dialogue partners Belarus, Sri Lanka, Turkey.

1:04:36 and observer states Afghanistan, India, Iran, Mongolia, and Pakistan. And it turns out, and this is kind of how I stumbled upon the whole thing, the Chinese have lent 30 billion euros to Turkey for their piece of a new rail project which literally goes from East China through parts of former Russian Federation states Through Turkey all the way to London of course in most important is to Rotterdam and this is due to be completed in 2015 if you go John to What I have here Chinatrains.curry.com Chinatrains.curry.com oh boy, that's really loud what you're doing

1:05:38 You're right trying to get there. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be loading for me at the moment either or something Yeah, that's when it's par for the course Well today was not been a great day my microphone blew up or something's not like this But we are we are troopers. We're gonna hang in you had a lightning strike hit the house Place on fire. You're still working well, Mickey puts the fire out with a Fire extinguisher you guy you could have paid a little more money And now here we are and this doesn't work. Well what give me a give me a Google search term And I'll look it up that way

1:06:15 China Turkey railway, okay China Turkey Railway and of course now everyone's banging my server, so we're never gonna get to it Yeah, it's not gonna come up and go to go to Asian railway and Wikipedia with that no No, just go to images and you'll see the top two you see a yellow one with like a speeding bullet train oh, yeah, I see it click on that and that that's good enough, and you see all the way from Taijin in China Which these are all port towns going through Kazakhstan Uzbekistan Turkmenistan all of these stans through Azerbaijan through Georgia through Turkey into Europe

1:06:57 And then it splits off right at northern Italy and one end goes up past France through Rotterdam to London. Yeah, I think this is the find of the day for the show. And this is something that we can stay on. No one talks about this. No, no one talks about it. But think about this. Obama had this Asian pivot. And we subsequently, so this is about the ballistic missile defense system, which we, you know, first was all around Russia. So this thing actually begins in this, looks like the Sea of China or up over there by, it's just by Korea. And John, it goes from ocean to ocean. Yes, and it's freight. It does 250 miles an hour. It's freight train. It's the same scam they're pulling here. Yeah, to numb Chinese goods into Europe. And check this out. So the containers' shipping routes are saturated. You can only ship so much stuff.

1:07:48 The trains are only utilized at this point about 1%. This is a bonanza when this stuff is... so forget pipelines. This is the new Silk Road. And by the way, to mention this as I'm already on board with you here. Good, good, good. The way this would work would be... It would be sold as high-speed rail for passengers. Yeah, of course. Which is what we're doing in this country. And it's all to be used by exporters and manufacturing. There'll be one crappy passenger train running once in a while. So now look at where we, now this is the game and so all of a sudden now I'm like ooh the bells are going off. We're in Japan, Korea, Australia, the Philippines, Turkey, Africa, Iran. What is Iran? Iran is the big source of energy for China. We are doing everything we can to stop this and the key here is Turkey and what has happened recently in Turkey... Well, before you go on,

1:08:44 I want to mention that on this map, which people should we should have a link to this. Well, it's it's Chinatrains.curry.com. From Azerbaijan to it looks like southern... It's Tbilisi, it's Georgia. It goes to Baku? No, no, no. From Azerbaijan through Georgia through Turkey to someplace else I can't read. It's Eastern Europe. It's gonna be... It's something whatever it is. That's all in red. Which means to me that this is still not finalized. So there's a huge gap in what they propose as a rail line. I'm assuming that the stuff in black over in Europe, they've got covered. Yes. So this is, and I have the news report here, that China has lent Turkey 30 billion euros to build that red piece there. Remember, Turkey also just bought all the missiles from China.

1:09:40 This is a huge deal. Turkey not only has all the pipelines but now they Turkey is they're cruising for a bruising by the way they got to be very very very careful with what they're doing I've said this I've always believed that they're gonna be next on the Arab Spring movement well the Arab Spring is most likely a part of this we know the first people out of Libya were 30,000 Chinese the first people out of Egypt were Chinese now they're trying to get him back in The Chinese giant has been awake for a long time and it's not really... the only way the Chinese are being portrayed in the media as is morons, you know, nincompoops, crappy stuff they make, slave labor.

1:10:24 But we're the slave labor country. But again, we are in Japan, Korea, Australia, the Philippines, Turkey, Africa. We are doing everything we can to slow this down because when this freight rail is completed, and Russia's a part of this, you know, the Russians are your fair weather friend. You know, oh, we'll do whatever the Chinas want today. When this is complete, we're dead. What are we going to export? And the Russians are screwed in this deal too. This train doesn't go through Russia, that's for sure. Well, it goes through Kazakhstan, it goes through the Stans, and so they have some say. But they are a part of the cooperative.

1:11:09 The Russians are not stupid. They're doing deals with China for all kinds of stuff. Let them have the rail. We don't need Russian cars. Okay, that's fine. We don't need Russian iPhones. They're not... Now there you are, stereotyping the poor Russians. The Lada of iPhones. As if they can't make a good jet. No, well, the Tupolev, I wouldn't fly it. Well, I've been on a Russian aeroflot, Russian jet once, and after sitting on the tarmac for three hours, because it couldn't take off in the wind, and I think it was an Ilyich 62 or something, it had four big jet engines on the tail.

1:12:00 Oh, yeah, it's an intro. It's a concept. Yeah, it's a funny looking thing and the seats were so cramped and somebody warned me about I could be like Let's go back because I got funny stories to tell about flying on a Russian plane, but you know So Bulgaria is also key in this wasn't it was it Hillary Clinton in Bulgaria doing something recently? We thought it was all about oil. I don't remember that I'm googling it now. I'm just I'm Kind of flying by the seat of my pants Yeah, she's was there On attack in Bulgaria, but this seems like it was a year ago But this is yeah go ahead go ahead give me another tangent which is that Joe Biden who just went to China huh and Biden is is floating around

1:12:50 I believe he's seriously gonna make a run for the presidency. And so he's trying to bring up his profile. I'm telling you, you're gonna be hearing a lot about Joe Biden. Well, it was clearly a planned propaganda PR visit, because nothing happened other than some pictures and pool video, which is just sad. I mean, there was no reporting. Well, all right. Well, so there's this train. This is a hell of an operation. This is well, this is a big big deal and it's supposed to be done by 2015. So all of 2014, the Chinese are a lot faster at doing stuff than we are. They build stuff like there's no tomorrow. And since they built the Chinese, actually Chinese labor built our trans, you know, Continental Railroad here in the USA in the 1800s. I mean, it's not like they don't know how to build a railroad. Yeah, no, I think they know what they're doing.

1:13:43 And it's going to be fast, it's going to be built for containers, which is just that revolutionized product shipping in general, the standardization of shipping containers. And we can probably Google container high-speed rail. And probably you see pictures because this thing is already running and they're running and that you know how we get all the reports of people saying hey no one's on that that high-speed train well no of course not because the rail is being used for freight yeah the high-speed train the high-speed passenger service is just a bonus yeah I would love to take this ride it's the new Silk Road my friend yeah actually I'm surprised they don't even call it that um well we've heard this

1:14:36 Mentioned several times as the and and isn't this kind of what happened? Because I mean you start looking into rail and you start learning stuff in the Second World War We had the Berlin to Baghdad railway I don't did it get that ever did they ever build it or was that just the pipe dream or what was the I have no idea? Which you're supposed to know this stuff. I don't know everything I'm gonna say Berlin to Baghdad Railway the Baghdad Railway and ultimately Basra. Now apparently it was completed, and this also had to do with the Ottoman Empire. I'm telling you, it's just a fractal. The Baghdad Railway was built from 1903 to 1940 to connect Berlin with the then Ottoman Empire city of Baghdad.

1:15:26 An Ottoman Empire, of course, what's left now is Turkey. Where the Germans wanted to establish a port in the Persian Gulf. Gee, that might have been Syria. With a 1600 kilometer line through modern day Turkey, Syria and Iraq. Jeez, John, it's the same shit! It's the same thing over and over again! That's unbelievable! Yeah, somehow we're getting screwed in this deal. Yeah, well, yeah, we should be running the... We should be running the railway. And so I guess it's going to take advantage of the channel. Totally. It's just a fee. But the big thing is, is the port of Rotterdam. That's... Well, I don't see it going through Rotterdam. Yeah, if you look at the map, you can see it goes right over France and then it splits... Rotterdam is just what the French call the northern bus stop. You know, it's not all that big of a deal. The railway extends up north. I don't see it.

1:16:31 Well, it's in all the documentation. Okay, well maybe this is maybe why it's doing a zigzag there. Yeah. On this map. It's all connected. The main thing is it has to have the right gauge and I think there may be some minor issues with the gauge of the track. Well, that's funny you should bring that up because there was a special, I think we did a clip of this or something over a year ago, where they're developing these multi-gauge trains yes I do remember that member yeah I really train goes along and it gets to a different gauge and I just push a button and boop now it goes on the other tracks Wow well so I think we keep our eye on Turkey and what we've been doing I think we've been keeping an eye on Turkey we just haven't gotten well we just hadn't figured out this angle and so you know it's like having a 10-speed bike once you have one then you see him riding everywhere and I think now that you everyone's aware to everyone's hip

1:17:30 tip to the Chinese rail project. Yeah, start counting Priuses on the road. I think BMWs is, they're already shipping some of those. Don't they make those in China now too? Maybe. I have a feeling. But this is just obviously gonna be just crap loads of stuff. Now the question is, when Hillary... They've already ruined the economy in Spain and the Spanish are gonna let this train come into their country? I think it'll be a bonanza. Why wouldn't it? For who? Well, not for the locals. It depends if the train stops and there's stuff to be done. Historically, having a railway come through your town has been good for business. If all it does is drop off cheap goods and ruins your local industry. Well, okay, there's that. It can't get much worse in Spain at this point. They'll be happy just for the distraction. Yes, it can. Like, oh, there's the train, let's go look at it.

1:18:31 At least he'll have something to do. Oh my goodness. None of this is good. I know, but so the question is when Hillary becomes president, what is she going to do? She's all in on this, you can count on it. You think she's actively in on making it work? Oh yeah. And how do we benefit? Or is it just her that benefits? Just her. I don't see the US benefiting from this in the least. I mean, this thing is just like moving goods on a rail that's probably pretty efficient into southern, into eastern Europe, UK, France, Italy. It doesn't go to Germany, and it's essentially, which is the one country surviving this of course, the depression.

1:19:20 And I just, just, just ran, it's going to ruin these countries and it's going to ruin our export business, what little we have left of it. Here's what I got. I've got a doc here, I'll put this in the show notes. The proposed... I'm surprised they don't try to run one of these babies into Africa. Well, the proposed rail link, well the problem is of course we're all over that now. We've stopped that. The proposed rail link would run from Kars on the easternmost border with Armenia through the Turkish interior onto Istanbul, where it would connect to the Marmaray Rail Tunnel, which is now under construction, which runs under the Bosphorus Strait. Then it would continue to That's what's on this map. Right. The border to Greece and Bulgaria in the EU, that'll be about $35 billion. TurkishLink would complete the Chinese Trans-Eurasian Rail Bridge as they're calling it, and that'll bring the freight from China to Spain and England. China has agreed to extend the loans of 30 billion for the rail network, oh dollars I'm sorry not euros.

1:20:18 The Turkish China Railway discussion is one part of the vast Chinese strategy to weave a network of inland rail connections across the Eurasian continent. The aim is to literally create the world's greatest new economic space. China's container port activity and that of its European and North American destinations is reaching the saturation point as volumes of container traffic explode at double-digit rates, moving the trade flows over land, Okay, of course the only people stopping them are NATO, essentially. That's us. So by 2011, their inland stuff has all changed. Let me see, what else do I have here? Ah! China, it'll go through six provinces in China. Jingsu, Anhul, Henan, Danderaf, Gansu, Xinjiang. It's going all the way through, it's just everything through China. It'll be an 11,000...

1:21:18 11,000 kilometer journey. This would be dynamite to ride, wouldn't it? Oh yeah, it'd be great. And you'd be good to go on it early before it becomes controversial. Interesting. So 11,000 kilometers, do they have a time, a destination time of arrival or any kind of timings? I don't have that here. It would probably stop here and there in China to load up at some major facilities and then it would hit the road and when it started going, I would assume that it wouldn't start dropping shit off until it got to Turkey. Ah, hold on a second though. Russia is well positioned to benefit from this Shanghai Cooperation Organization strategy

1:21:59 This okay the first Eurasian land bridge runs through Russia of course the Trans-Siberian Railway Which unified the Russian Empire the Trans-Siberian remains the longest single rail? The Trans-Siberian Railway the Northeast West runs from Russia to Vladivostok so the Russians will they will benefit if they connect because The rush I see how it would work The Russian Northeast-West Corridor runs from the Russian Far East port of Vladivostok, links to Europe in the port of Rotterdam. So the Russians already have the link to Rotterdam, so maybe they'll share that with the Chinese. But that's a slow link though, that's like... That's not high-speed rail by any means. That'd be a fun ride too. Oh man, this is crazy. These guys are just ass-kickers. Big time.

1:22:55 Oh, this is okay. This is a little bit nice bit of analysis. The route would cut some 6,000 kilometers off of the sea journey. Yeah, no kidding. Much more direct. Oh, ding ding ding. Hold on. The proposal is for completing a series of missing rail and modern highway links totaling some 1,000 kilometers neighboring Myanmar. Mere 300 kilometers of railways and highways are lacking in order to link the railways in Yunnan with the highway network of Myanmar and South Asia This is why Myanmar has been so important. This is why Hillary was up there, which is Burma They want to can they want to use the 300 kilometers of track up there. This is a very interesting game very interesting

1:23:45 The total annual trade volume of the regions that the route passes through in 2009 was $300 billion. Yeah, ultimately the plan is for a branch line that would also start in Turkey, cross Syria, Palestine, and end in Egypt, facilitating transportation from China to Africa. There's your the answer to your question. We're not gonna let that happen. No. And blowing up railroads, this is our culture. This is our cowboy culture. This is what we do. Yeah, let's blow up the tracks. It doesn't take much. They'll have drone technology of monitoring the tracks to make sure that aren't buttoned.

1:24:27 You know, and it won't be us by the way. It'll be Muslim radicals. Yeah, of course. That part of China that has Muslim radicals. Obviously. They have, we have them, we keep them going. We're very tight with the Muslim radicals no matter what anyone wants to think. In fact, that, we go ahead, finish that. And they're going to be blowing up the tracks. I have a... And we're gonna go, oh it's terrible they're doing that. I have a, this is true, I have a little clip here. Now this is from ABC News and I was astounded that ABC reported this on how the Pentagon is actually funding Al-Qaeda and the Haqqani Network. US government contracts awarded to companies with alleged ties to terror groups. Some of those terror groups targeting American forces. ABC's chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross on the trail.

1:25:19 With Americans still being attacked every week in Afghanistan. The US government has worked hard to find out who has helped pay for the continued and deadly insurgent strikes. Only to discover that among those connected to the terrorists were companies also working as contractors for the US government. According to these two lists produced by the military and the Congress Department. U.S. officials say the companies already have received about $150 million in U.S. taxpayer money over the years. It's like the United States government subsidizing

1:25:56 the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, the Haqqani Network, those groups that are trying to shoot and kill our soldiers. Among them, a road construction company that the U.S. says is partly owned by a leader of that brutal Haqqani Network. Blamed for an attack on the U.S. Embassy two years ago that killed 16 people. The company denies any ties to terrorists, but sensitive US military documents obtained by ABC News claim the profits, approximately 1 to 2 million dollars per month, flowed to HQN, the Haqqani network, to finance his activities. I'm an old-time prosecutor and my hair stood on end.

1:26:35 Yet an ABC News investigation found that despite pleas from commanders in the field, along with Congress and the Inspector General, Pentagon lawyers have refused to formally block those companies from receiving U.S. contracts. The reason they've given us is that it's not fair to these contractors that the evidence that we presented, and this is the evidence collected by the United States government, is classified. The Pentagon canceled a scheduled interview for us on the subject. So we went to Fort Belvoir, to the military office that deals with the issue. Brian Ross, ABC News. Brian Ross, ABC News, everybody. I'm hijacking you now with the camera. What did you get going on? A top official said it was a question of due process, using classified information that the contractors cannot see. Well, there are certain regulations that have to be followed, due process regulations. Even with groups that are connected to terrorism?

1:27:30 Well, that gets into documents I cannot discuss. In fact, I'm not allowed to talk to you unless I have the permission of the Department of the Army, so I'd have to end this interview at this time. In a statement to ABC News, the Army said it has extensive vetting procedures and that most, most of the companies on the Terror Connection list were not awarded contracts. Most? Most, they say, Diane. Why is ABC, who are pretty much all in, I mean, is this the White House against the Pentagon or what's going on? Why are they doing this? I think somebody miscommunicated. Must be. And they just spun out of control before they could put a stop to it. Yeah. And they just let it die a natural death. It's a big deal. I mean, the point is that they're overlooking, of course, listeners to our show will now see it differently. These guys are obviously working in, just as we said, with these guys for a purpose. I mean, we work with terrorists.

1:28:25 We work with the mafia, the government, to get our way and this situation that you just, you know, besides the railway situation and also the Chinese, you know, taking over Africa, which they're obviously doing and they need to be stopped for our benefit. And all of a sudden it requires the use of some of these guys so we can be blameless. If the tracks start getting blown up in China, we don't want to have any, we didn't do it. Right. I love that they have an acronym now, HQN. It's like a shopping network. The Haqqani Shopping Network. HQN is the Haqqani Shopping Network, everybody. How many Chinese are in the CAR, you think?

1:29:08 What's the CAR? The Central African Republic. Oh, I don't know. I wonder about that. Because we now have the French are now there defending, I guess, their assets, which would probably be total oil. Here, Central African Republic, Chinese relations. You know, we have people dying and stuff blowing up, and Bengui, which is the capital where a lot of this is taking place, has been a source of issues over the years. Let's see what we have. Diplomatic relations were established in 1964. Republic of China. I'm sure the Chinese are in there, and that's why they're getting kicked out, because whenever you read

1:29:54 Muslim terrorists in Africa, and you know it's about getting rid of Chinese Well, I haven't heard from our economic hitman for a while. He's in Africa right it does, but well The car borders on Sudan right? 300 dead at least in the past two days and there are hundreds of French troops now NATO of course but French nonetheless I think they're just straight up French. Are they straight up French? I thought they came from NATO. That's been a French protectorate for a long time. The French are the real Africans. And the Belgians. Yeah, but the Belgians, even the Belgians, they all speak French. Most of Africa speaks French. People keep ignoring this fact.

1:30:46 So interesting. Yeah, well the central CAR the Central African Republic is rich in minerals and oil It is strategically located in the it's a great place to have a drone base A lot of people would bring up the point, well, why are we, is this all happening now? I mean, they've always, these countries, most of them, have always been rich in all these resources and so what? Now why are we all of a sudden, because the Chinese, once the Chinese started, these were all reserves. We've been sucking oil out of the ground and using mineral reserves. You know, hundreds of years, but we didn't expect what we, you know, it's like going to the bank. You expect the money to be there in Africa, which is a little languish. But then the Chinese say, wait a minute, we could use this stuff. And they come in and start taking it. Well, but no, they weren't just taking it. They were kind of doing it in a nice way. Yeah, well, they're building, well,

1:31:41 It's not really, not when they come in and then they have all the laws changed so they can bring in their goods and services to compete with the local manufacturers without having to pay tariffs. I mean this is how this argument began when we started doing the show six years ago and these German guys had told me about what was going on in parts of Africa where German computer manufacturers couldn't sell product anymore because the Chinese were undercutting them because they were getting their goods in without having to pay the tariffs the Germans had to pay. It was unfair. Right, right, right. Was that the first thing we talked about? Yes, exactly. You sure it wasn't about weed? Might have been. Well you may have been talking about that.

1:32:23 Oh man. But while you're talking about Shanghai, let's play this clip so at least we have a clue about the Chinese, you know, kind of screwing themselves. Play the pollution clip. Oh yeah, and I've been following this as well. It's just crazy. And listen to the numbers. CCTV News live from Beijing. Concentrations of PM 2.5 in Shanghai have reached a dangerous level of more than 600. The World Health Organization considers it unhealthy to have levels over 20. The figure has climbed 100 points above the 500 level of the standard top rad hazelut. PM10 data has also reached more than 670. In some seriously affected parts of the city, PM2.5 data has reached 720 points. People are being advised to stay at home and avoid going outside.

1:33:10 Surveys of nearly a third of the city's vehicles for government institutions and companies has been suspended and outdoor building work has been stopped. It's the worst pollution this year, but many people still need to maintain public services. I'm just doing my job. Trying my hardest to clean the street. I don't think I'm different from others who are doing their jobs. Well, okay. That's not so great. No, 20 is your limit and they're at 600. This is worse than the London smog that killed all those people and it resulted in all the air pollution laws being passed around the world in the mid-50s. Does it appear... And this is just out of control. And this was reported on the Chinese news network. It doesn't appear that they're going to change anything. Well, they're going to be dropping in the streets. This is not... When they show the videos, it's like you look outside and it looks like nitrogen trioxide is a red

1:34:09 horrible looking, ooh, that's like a fog, it's terrible, it's gotta be dangerous. What is the cause? Is that just coal burning coal or a heavy industry? I mean, are they stupid? I mean, we were able to figure it out. or they just don't care what is it? It's heavy industry, steel, different, oh god knows what they're, I mean coal burning is part of it but it's more than that. They burn oil, they burn everything, I mean it's not that so much as probably the smelters and all the rest of these operations that are a little more inland and then the stuff starts, it just starts to accumulate because they don't have good

1:34:48 China's never had blue skies. It doesn't have a lot of air flow. It's a bad environment for these sorts of things. And this stuff just... Last time I went to Korea, Korea is in impacted by this because here the whole area is covered with this red goo. It's terrible I don't know think they could scrub better. There's there's pollution technologies that are out there that that really help a lot Aren't the because of course what we're not hearing is the Chinese people going hello. Hello. Wait a minute. Can we like do something about this? I

1:35:25 You never, there's never a report like that. Like it's... Yeah, from China's news, no. And where is the climate change people? They should be, we should be sanctioning China. Huh? We should be sanctioning them. Global warming caused WTC7. Oh man, I'm having such a ball here in Texas right now with my global cooling thing. Oh yeah, global cooling. People are now calling me like, hey man, what was that you said about global cooling? The documentation from the 70s is pretty well documented as same as going on in Europe The powerful storms sweeping across northern and central Europe has claimed several more lives at least five people died in Poland on Saturday Three of them were killed when high winds hurled a tree against a car in the northwest where storms other has brought heavy snow Power cuts affected tens of thousands of homes after cables were brought down. Yeah, that's bad. It's cold

1:36:21 I was watching some of the reports of euro news on this and there's all these the funnier reports were in parts of Germany I think even Holland. Yeah, everyone's on these bicycles. Yeah, and this these high winds just Blow over yeah, they blow over into this into the road. It's just it's it's it's something amusing about it I don't know why but there's a Denmark has a news thing that's happening right now that you know about this guy Nails his name. Yeah, hot. Yeah. Yeah, Hassan the big controversy right now this guy's a Palestinian poet and he's being attacked by Muslims because he's over here play this report and get a little clue but this is a big deal I hate your misery I hate your scarves and your Quran and your illiterate prophets

1:37:12 Late last month at Copenhagen Central Station, Yahya Hassan was attacked by a Muslim radical with a conviction for terrorism, who shouted, you are an infidel, you deserve to die. Since then he's had protection from Denmark's Krak Special Branch and it was much in evidence when he came to speak at a school in Uense, Denmark's third city. He was whisked through the barricades in a bulletproof car after threats against his life. This is Volsmoser, which is perhaps Denmark's toughest ghetto. It has a history of violence. Yahya Hassan has insisted that this is exactly the sort of place where he has to be allowed to come to spread his controversial message. The government has made it clear that he must be allowed to go anywhere in Denmark to express his personal opinion.

1:37:58 But in order for that to happen, the police have had to call in reinforcements from across the country to lock down this community. It's a massive security operation to guarantee freedom of speech. This right of speech must be with responsibility. That means that we don't have to use this right to insult other people or to hurt other people. Arguably, Islam in Denmark has not been under such close scrutiny since 2005, when a cartoonist inflamed the Muslim world by depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.

1:38:34 The media coverage and what police do to protect this person is actually very interesting. That means if I do as a person go to the media and say something bad about the religion, about Islam, about the Muslim community, then I'm going to become a hero. Maybe I'm going to become a rich man in four days. And that's actually very, very harming the progress, the integration process for the Muslim community in Denmark. Yaya Hassan's publishers have printed 75,000 copies of the book, unprecedented in modern times for a work of poetry. He's just a young artist who's written a fantastic book. Are you putting his life in danger? We are not putting his life in danger. People who can't accept that artists write what they want are putting his life in danger.

1:39:22 Yaya Hassan could be prosecuted for alleged racism after a Muslim community leader complained to police in the latest contentious development. He's raised an important debate about some critical issues and I've always been an opponent of hate speech laws that criminalize even offensive and hateful things. I think it's crucial that those issues be discussed in the debate rather than being censored. The poet believes there is no similarity between the Danish cartoonists and him. But they have been forced to hide from would-be assassins for eight years. For the moment, he too is living in dangerous times. This is very interesting to me, particularly in light of something else that's happening in the Eurozone, this idea of hate speech.

1:40:11 uh... which we we've been tracking for a long time because that's what this comes down to now it's he's in fact if you look at the copenhagen post which is kind of a daily mail operation out of copenhagen in english there's a lot of articles about this is very controversial there's a view this hate speech racism laws that to get people thrown in jail or fine but what it markets back to me is excuse me the common complaint that Where are the Muslims that complain about the fanatics? Well, we have talked about this and usually what we get back is that the media does not highlight the Muslims who are vocal about this. And I think that's true. It's also not a good story. You know, that's not fun. No. Now, apparently some people on Twitter in the United Kingdom of Gitmo Nation East

1:41:08 Had said some things that were here. This is for reading from the BBC Online hate comments about the Glasgow helicopter crash which left nine people dead are being investigated by the police What well it's irrelevant for what I'm going to this is now considered a hate crime hate speech is now in the UK a hate crime and The Lord Advocate of the Police of Scotland said, I've made it clear prosecutors must take a hard line against this kind of hate crime. So if you say something hateful,

1:41:55 Which, and I, then the BBC story does not reference what was said, because of course that would make them liable to a, being prosecuted for a hate crime. This is like child porn. Yes. Guy had child porn on his computer. Well, how do we know this? No, Lord can look at the Lord Advocates Office and Police of Scotland were investigating allegations of crimes arising from hateful comments posted online This would be like your hateful comment earlier in the show. What? Well, it would be like wow that helicopter pilot screwed up What a douche it could be what it could be that or it could be the joke which is I'm sure was somebody trying to be funny Which is a hate crime

1:42:34 using the joke like well that lawyer died well that's the beginning hate crime hate hate yeah and because remember we played this clip just on the last show where we had the BBC guy from the BBC explaining what you have to do so you don't get arrested for what you say on Twitter people you think China's bad I think Russia's bad This is the West, man. This is the land of the so-called free. You're not free in the UK anymore. Last week, the Attorney General's office said it would start to publish guidance on Twitter to help prevent social media users from committing contempt of court when commenting on legal cases in England and Wales. You might as well just shut up. Just shut up in England. Shut up! Don't laugh! Shut up! Don't say anything. Because you'll get arrested. That's crazy.

1:43:33 But no one talking about that no no no Greenpeace has now we had a Wow, your limiter just did that thing again. Talk, talk, talk, talk. Right. Because your compressor just... I can hear like people walking on the street. Wow. And then when you talk, then it fixes it. I don't know what's going on. We'll figure that out. Okay, I played NORAD's video of Santa Claus. Oh yeah. The militarized... You couldn't even hear, listen to it all. It was so bad. Now Greenpeace. Greenpeace has taken Father Christmas, better known as Santa Claus, and they've done a video

1:44:12 And the video can be found on... they have a campaign page called Save Santa's Home. Okay, I'm gonna set the stage because you can't see this video. But it's Santa Claus. He's in a basement. Oh no! It's worse than that, John. He's in a basement. He's got his Santa suit on. He's all disheveled looking. There's water leaking from the roof, which of course is meant to symbolize melting snow. Right. And children, Christmas is about to be cancelled because of global warming.

1:44:50 Dear children, regrettably I bring bad tidings. For some time now, melting ice here, the North Pole, has made our operations and our day-to-day life intolerable and impossible. And there may be no alternative but to

1:45:30 cancel Christmas. Are you following this? He also sounds like he's an alcoholic or a drug addict which makes it really creepy. It doesn't sound good. Personally, to President Obama, President Putin, all world leaders, sadly my letters have been met with indifference. While this is playing John, go to save santas home dot org. Needless to say these individuals are now of my naughty list My home in the Arctic is first disappearing and unless we all act then I have to warn you of the possibility of an empty stocking forevermore Is this picture supposed to this picture this pervert supposed to be Santa? Yeah, and that's the video please

1:46:43 Santa it's this is horrible. I'm gonna put my email address in here This is by the way the global warming that he's pontificating is about as real as Santa Claus But this is not okay No, not and now there's and this is something that was in the red book as I just go down my agenda 21 show notes and report now about uh... this is the congressional uh... report on the way we stop before you read that i had to just make a comment on the site i didn't notice is that it's kind of a uh... javascript thing at the top with a bunch of stuff uh... some icebergs in a bunch of water and it looks like the north poles is melted and sent his act he's floating i'd sell this those centers now dead is dead

1:47:38 The Congressional Research Service released a report last week, Geoengineering Governance and Technology Policy. This is exactly what is in the book and this is what I've been talking about for a long time. You watch, now it's going to be, oh, we've been doing it all along and it's been really good. And I'll just give you a few lines from the summary. Climate change policies at both the national and international levels have traditionally focused on measures to mitigate greenhouse gas emissions and to adapt the actual or anticipated impacts of changes in the climate. Some recent technological advances, generally referred to as geoengineering technologies, have created alternatives to traditional approaches to mitigating climate change. If deployed, these new technologies could modify the Earth's climate on a large scale.

1:48:31 It's in the book. Yeah. And here it is. They're generally classified two main groups. We have solar radiation management, SRM. These are technologies that would increase the reflectivity or albedo. A-L-B-E-D-O, albedo? I don't know. I don't know what that word is. Let me look this up. Albedo is like libido and albino. Albedo. Albedo. Reflective coefficient. There you go. Carbon... Wow. Say something because I'm drowning in your compressor. I'm sorry. I can't talk over you, Carl. It's alright, it's alright. You can't help it. Carbon dioxide removal, which are technologies or practices that would remove CO2 and other greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. See, I've got a pronunciation thing here. Let's see if I can get this.

1:49:32 I think it may come through. Albedo. Albedo. Albedo. There's another guy. Albedo. Albedo. I like that one more. I think carbon dioxide removal. Albedo. I think carbon dioxide removal. They should just jam a hose down everyone's throat. Hey, gonna remove some carbon dioxide from you, you stupid human resource. Stop the cows. Nor the intergovernmental panel on climate change IPCC had made any official mention of geoengineering science or technology in their negotiation text or reports however in the most recent technical assessment its fifth assessment report the one that was just released on September 26 the panel addressed for the first time the current status of geoengineering research and its potential impacts as follows so this now now the true

1:50:38 Agenda is opening up before our very eyes, and I didn't catch this myself when I read through the reports, so I'm glad that I found this in this report. Methods that aim to deliberately alter the climate system to counter climate change, termed geoengineering, have been proposed. Limited evidence precludes a comprehensive quantitative assessment of both solar radiation management and carbon dioxide removal and their impact on the climate system. CDR methods have biochemical and technological limitations to their potential on a global scale. There is insufficient knowledge to qualify how much CO2 emissions could be partially offset by CDR on a century time scale. Century time scale. Modeling, that means those bogative computers, indicates that SRM methods, if real, that would be chemtrailing, if realizable, have the potential to substantially offset a global temperature rise.

1:51:38 Aha, so now it's unveiled to us. There is high confidence that global surface temperatures would rise very rapidly to values consistent with the greenhouse gas forcing S, CDR and SRM methods carry side effects and long-term consequences on a global scale if SRM was terminated for any reason. This is what's confusing to me. They're saying that if SRM was terminated, temperatures would rise even more, which means they are already doing it. Right, that's what you're reading. The way it's written implies that they are doing this. Yes. In fact, it doesn't even imply it, it actually says it. And that they can't stop it, and that they need more evidence to continue their models.

1:52:34 So this, I think this is just the beginning and it's being eased in on us, but I'm pretty sure that if we keep our eyes peeled we'll see more evidence that there has been some form of persistent jet contrails with some form of SRM methodology being implemented in our atmosphere. Well, there'd be nothing better than triggering a a small ice age. Well if they do that it's actually possible. Yeah, that's what they said in the 70s. There'll be nothing in play. There's one way of population control, you know the situation's ridiculous. That's Bill Gates. Oh man. All right anyway, here's a note I want to read. This is from Joe and Joe is from healthysurprise.com.

1:53:29 Adam I've really been enjoying the show you guys are amazing and just get better and better I've enclosed ten healthy surprise gift cards for you I was thinking you could give it to the Knights when you send out your rings or just give them to friends for holiday gifts Also have attached a white paper I wrote about an idea I've been incubating about how to revolutionize the way creators like yourself are compensated using cryptocurrency. You have time, maybe on the toilet, take a look. Thank you for your courage, Joe. And did you get a box, John? Did you get a healthysurprise.com box, a new one, a new box? Yeah, I did. Yeah, it's a good box. It's better than, yeah, it's not bad. There's some good stuff. It seemed like it was kind of the, um, I think like the Christmas high-end box.

1:54:10 I think that just over time some of these snacks are failing in the market because nobody you know you buy one you go oh my god Yeah, did you I think it's just weeding itself out so the ones that are showing up now are mostly good Did you have any kale products in your box? There was a kale product is still sealed. Uh-huh It shall remain seal the other day I got some of the black kale from the Tuscan kale. And you cook the shit out of it. First you parboil it forever, and then it's still tough. Then you chop it up and cook it with bacon fat, maybe a little garlic, maybe a little butter, maybe not. And you cook it and fry it. Now that you've already cooked it, then you fry it and fry it and fry it, and then it's still tough.

1:55:00 But it's actually kind of tasty if you don't mind, if you really like to chew. If you like just sitting there chewing at the dinner table, chewing and chewing and chewing as you try to get through this, whatever this product is. Then it's actually edible. Now I noticed that our Baron, Grand Duke, I'm sorry, Pelsmacher's sent us a note. Saying that he never heard of kale until recently when it starts showing up in in I guess Belgium now It's showed up out of the blue. Yep. That's the power of the no agenda show John It's the power of the public relations operation running out of London, which is promote from promoting kale I believe kale it seems to be fairly resistant to it's expensive It's way too. It's overpriced and it seems to be resistant to a lot of pests So because who they had even a bug

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2:01:40 Ah, short list, but luckily we had some of the familiar names for supporting the show. And as... who was it that said that? Mike said, every little bit counts. And from time to time I get an email from someone saying, you're right, you know, it's crazy, you can at least do $5 a month. It's whatever, I understand it's hard. And by request, we're gonna do some F-cancer and some Karma, and everyone can soak that up as appropriate. You've got karma. You need a glass of water or something. You know, that's what I did. I had drunk some cold water like an idiot. Uh-huh. And now I'm congested, which is one of the rules that, you know, when the consultants come in. They say... In the broadcasting area. Let me try it. Drink tepid water. Nice. Now I got some good water here. Well, you know, eventually,

2:02:42 If, you know, this system has to work. I don't talk about this often, but you know the seed guy? Oh, the seed guy. Yeah, you know what he's selling now? Well, let's see. Let me guess a few things. One, he's either selling water purification? No. Hand-cranked radios for all you when the Armageddon hits? No. Gold or seeds? I'm going to read it to you. This is now being sold on the Alex Jones Show. As men age, do you know what it is yet? What was the first word? As men age, commonly. Oh, it's got to be testosterone stuff or something that boosts your testosterone or vitamins. They may often experience a slowdown in vitality, energy, sexual drive and overall wellness. Super male vitality is specifically designed to assist the body in regulating proper hormone balance. Yeah, it's penis drops. Yeah. Yeah.

2:03:46 That's the alternative. Well, here's what I think of this. And of course no nightings or any changes today in any of the

2:04:32 any of the peerages but so would be so would be um I have a thing I want to do before we well we can do this at the clip blitz but we're getting oh no I I really have to Wow I would I'm sorry. I just your we got to figure out what's doing that what and your compressor It's really weird. I don't know what to say. It's not me within this I could done It's not your has a built-in compressor. No no no this is this has been an ongoing problem. It's something inside the box It's a Skype mmm. Maybe I want to read a few common core emails before you any clip bliss because I've been holding these back I

2:05:15 Oh, oh yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I've been waiting for some. Yeah, because there are a couple that are interesting. First of all, dear Adam, I'm a high schooler up here in FEMA Region 5. Thank you for your courage. I want to let you know I loved your discussion on the adventures of Huckleberry Finn in episode 570, and I found it extremely coincidental that this topic came up when it did for my class has just started reading the novel. My school is one of the few that still allows their slaves to read the book. I've not finished the book yet, but what I have read I have found to be some of the most worthwhile reading I've done all year. Huck's ignorance and language towards Jim at the beginning of the story is surprising, but also a realistic portrayal of the time period. Who knows, maybe what I'm writing now will be considered vulgar in a few years because of my loose use of the word slave.

2:06:02 This is these are the kids who are listening to the show John. I hope you feel good. I know I love these kids too I truly feel bad for those who will not get to experience this because their teacher is scared of a few letters in a specific order God this kid's good there are even other teachers at my school who do not teach this book by their own choice from what I have heard the quote n-word makes them feel uncomfortable and Luckily, I have the teacher who is not afraid of the N-word and purposely says nigger as many times as she can. She also uses other racial slurs, cracker, spick, kike, which was a new one for me, and beach nigger, an overly tan white person just to break the ice even more. Her and I must have a very similar sense of humor because we both thought that the deer in the headlights look that the rest of the slaves had when she first said the word was hysterical.

2:06:53 I'm just glad my teacher can see the importance of this novel. The idea that an extremely important book in our history will get banned for the use of a word 219 times, according to my teacher, seems absurd to me. Well, I guess all I can really do is lament for the dead education our next generation will receive. Sent from my slave phone 5, Jacob." She'll probably be fired. She'll be fired. Oh yeah. Done with. Done. Okay. Adam. says Rich, I used to work for an English company called Pearson Education that is one of the largest publishers of textbooks and instructional programs for schools in the world. They are also of course as we've pointed out one of the main supporters of the Common Core. Before I left we had meetings about all the new books in the current catalogs. I noticed on page 63 of our new social studies catalog

2:07:43 textbook named by the people a history of the United States AP edition James Frazier 2014 chapter 29 in the book is titled chapter 29 United States 1989 to 2000 a new world order and we have a link to the book in the show notes there and Pearson by the way Twitter finally has a woman on their board of directors in the war on men and she is the former CEO of Pearson. Did you know, did you hear about that? No. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's now on the board of directors, the former CEO of Pearson. That's bad. Yeah. Now I got a number of people... And I have told the story, I'm not going to tell it again, about how Pearson took over the computer book business. No, no, no, we talked about it just recently.

2:08:33 Now I got a number of emails about the estimative math and it appears that primarily engineers do this all the time and they seem kind of nothing wrong with it. So here's from Finland, Adam on 570, you and John were talking about Common Core and bring up the compensation math. I felt the urge to write you about this since I've been using this method always when multiplying in my head. So that's, and he's an engineer. Then we have producer Russ. I always use this method when doing sums in my head. And I'd like to point out that it appears we're training our children through this method, which is the estimative method, to help them do sums in their head. Which I don't know what skill, what the benefit of that skill is. Well I think somebody sent a note in

2:09:40 I think the benefit is that you would always be thinking in terms of the estimated results. So when you're at the cash register and you give somebody a $5 bill, they don't give you a change for a $20. Because it says so on the register. I would love to hack one of these registers and just because that's happened to me one time I gave sir something wrong with this register And I gave somebody a 10 for like an $8 purchase, and I came back. I had like 20 bucks left They gave me 20 bucks And I don't think I have a clue they don't know idea no idea just vague numbers Okay Let's just continue on because this is all this is it's fascinating to me is

2:10:24 This is producer Rich. I was on my way to work with the two train and there was a father and son sitting in front of me. The father was showing his son index cards with subtraction on them. The first said 12 minus 8, to which the child replied 4. And the second was 12 minus 4, to which the child replied 8. The father asked the child if he noticed anything about those two cards and pointed out that 4 plus 8 equals 12. He said, isn't that cool? To which the child replied, yes dad, that's a fact family. Immediately I thought, oh no agenda. But it gets worse. There was a slightly younger child sitting next to the child who turned and asked the first child what grade he was in. Third, he said, the younger child said, you must be the smartest kid in your class. To which the father replied, no, they're all smart. Oh, right? Best letter ever. Now,

2:11:24 The last one I have... That is sick! Yeah, that's pretty awesome, isn't it? This is... Michigan is a common... I don't know who sent this to me, unfortunately. Michigan is a common core state. Check out the content of the paragraph my third grader was given to edit. And he sent a... Oh yeah, I got that one too. Okay, so I'll read it. So... It's one page, I took a picture of it. On Wednesday, how is a barcode read? A barcode reader reads the code, a laser beam in the reader reads the pattern of thin lines, thick lines and spaces. It translates the pattern into numbers. The numbers are sent to a computer, the computer stores the information. Then the next lesson.

2:12:05 Can barcodes be used with people or animals? Why yes, the answer is. Barcodes are used in hospitals, blood banks and offices. Hospital barcodes have facts about the patients. Blood banks use barcodes to label the blood. Some companies use barcode IDs for their workers. Researchers put barcodes on animals. And then there's a blank space I guess where you can write in yourself, I want my own barcode on my body. I'd like it tattooed. That might be cool. This is the common core, ladies and gentlemen. It's what we're teaching our kids. Yeah, well, that's kind of, yeah, I thought that was weird too. But there are states that are starting to, and I think that unfortunately, John, this is also going to be, I'm seeing it happen already. This is going to be a Republican issue and they're going to mess it up and they're going to make any, anything you say about, uh,

2:13:06 about Common Core, you're a wacky nut job. You watch what's going to happen. Because the Republican Party is on to this and they're saying, oh, this is, you know, we've got to get the shutdown Department of Education. Right, they want to get rid of the Department of Education as part of this. which is a money waster, but it also controls too many of the local... But they don't handle it right. The Republicans need the Devorah... I'm sorry, Curry-Devorah Consulting Company to help them, but they don't care. They're idiots. Now they're gonna come but they're gonna really ruin it for even us in just oh, they're gonna ruin it Yeah, just to say hey man, you should take a look at what's going on. But no it's gonna be you know, you wait There may be some ideologue. Yes. Yes, exactly Exactly. I have this clip that was I read this clip you're gonna play which is service dogs clip and

2:14:01 it was on uh... ktvu but then i saw it on one of the other channels and it was exact same package and so this is package going around and i want to play the clip and i want to the equation what do you think the missing piece of information is because is both of them we're had missing pieces of information the abyss exact same woman exact same clips exact same quotes on these different local stations and they could have been all the stations for all i know and it was essentially a hit piece uh... aimed at southwest airlines which i'm noticing is happening more and more which is finding you know southwest is not in the system and they're making money there they're popular lots of money if you go to expedia or anything she want to fly from here to there no you don't get it not known as a concern not part of that system they don't sell out now and the and their prices are that generally more than competitive with everybody else if not the cheapest

2:14:55 So play this piece and there's going to be an interesting little, I'll get you now and ask you about them. What's missing from this crazy hit piece? New at 5, a Bay Area woman and her service dog kicked off a Southwest Airlines flight. She uses the animal to help prevent seizures. KPIX5's Brian Webb is live at the Oakland airport with why the crew said no to the dog. Brian? Well Liz, service dogs are part of the Americans with Disabilities Act. About all you need to do to qualify your dog is get a note from your doctor. But just because you have the note doesn't mean you'll make your flight. To say Skylar and her dog Lux are inseparable is an understatement. She gives the dog treats, the dog gives her emotional support and help with seizures after a violent assault. Because it's been so hard just to try to come back from that. So last week Skylar hoped to hop a Southwest Airlines flight to visit family she hadn't seen in years and brought Lux along as a service dog. They made it all the way to their seat when the flight attendant said,

2:15:59 they'd have to go. I was wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants and she didn't like the dog and she didn't like me and two minutes later we were removed. Skyler had the doctor's note in hand but it didn't matter. The captain and crew didn't want the dog on board and they have the final say. Both passenger and dog were booted off the plane bringing on the one thing Skyler had hoped to avoid, a seizure. As I had made it I thought I had really really made it and I was so happy. Skyler insists her dog Lux was only there to help her and wouldn't hurt anyone else. She knows the flight crew had the right to do what they did but believes what they did was wrong. Well this is a crazy story.

2:16:38 And I'm not quite sure what you're going to say. I do know that there are a lot of people, particularly in Los Angeles, who have this note from their doctor just because they want to take their dog everywhere. And it's a trend and I don't like it. No, these service dogs are legit, I think. No, no, no, I'm telling you, there are a lot of women in particular in Los Angeles who do this. Now, a lot of these are nice charges for the service dog, but it's beside the point. This was a pit bull! No! Oh yeah, that's missing from the report for sure. That's why I said he wouldn't hurt anybody. I got it. Okay.

2:17:23 I was wondering what that line was about. Yes, that line was the giveaway if you're just listening and not seeing the pitbull. Wow. Now she was obviously something happened to her. She was molested, raped or something bad. And so she did what a lot of people do. Get a pitbull. Or a gun. a gun so she has his pitbull and the pitbull was you know obviously if I'm in a plane there's kids on the plane all the rest of it pitbulls are notorious I'm gonna object to this pitbull sit next to me yeah yeah I'm not so big on the on the pitbull But they leave that out completely. So this thing so that's a hit job. It sounds like a hit job on Southwest It was a total hit job and it was not just KTVU But it was other stations playing it with the same quoted of the sobbing woman Wow so be careful out there. Hey Hillary is a In the news again. She received an award and the award is from the Lantos Foundation

2:18:25 The Lantos Foundation is very interesting. This is named after Tom Lantos. He was a Democrat, representative of California. A local boy. Local boy for a long time. He passed away in 2008, but of course he worked with Hillary when she was on the Hill. And this is, so this organization, he apparently he is a Holocaust survivor. As a kid he escaped twice from from a concentration camp. And this organization is pretty big. It's promoting human rights worldwide and when you hear who's on the advisory board then you get it immediately. Simon Perez

2:19:14 Let's see Ely Weasel. We've talked about him before he's one of also one of the oldest Holocaust survivors Bono Richard Gere So it's you know a little bit of show business a little bit of Israel a little bit of everything kind of thrown in there Great great place to get an award and what do you think she got the award for John? fashion sense hair and makeup No, no, no, no. Nothing quite that good. But two of my favorite things. I'm deeply honored to be given this award, particularly on behalf of two causes near and dear to my heart, women's rights and internet freedom. Oh, it's that word again. Internet freedom. Internet freedom. Whenever you got to be very, very careful about the internet freedom.

2:20:10 that freedom is under attack. It's under attack from cyber criminals. The FBI now, John, has released in addition to their most top 10 most wanted criminals in the world, the FBI cyber most wanted list, the crimes on this list. These are, I mean, truly heinous. Yes, I've seen this list. You know about the FBI's most wanted list, but did you know the bureau also puts out a list of the most wanted cyber crime fugitives? Emily Odom is an FBI supervisory special agent with the Cyber Division. We've decided to make a dedicated cyber list as a reflection of the FBI's increased efforts.

2:20:51 and capturing cyber criminals. I'm thinking this is gonna, these guys are like bringing down the grid, they're trying to blow up nuclear facilities. Many hackers come from China and Russia but increasingly they're also coming from places like El Salvador and Pakistan and catching them is no easy feat. There are definitely complications to bringing these people to justice from countries where they may not extradite their own citizens. Yeah, most countries don't want to do that. But we are having success in capturing these individuals as they travel between countries. The FBI has just doubled the size of the list. There were five, now there are ten most wanted cyber fugitives. Pay attention everybody, because this is what you can get on the list for. The addition? Russian national Alexei Bilan, an alleged identity thief.

2:21:38 Alexei Bilan, an identity thief everybody, entered into a really sophisticated scheme in which he compromised three different US companies. As part of that compromise, he not only stole millions of identities, he also used some of the credentials of inside employees to further compromise their system. Wow! We should put Adobe on the list for compromising 38 million identities. How about that for a change, FBI? Also new to the list, Farhan Arshad and Noor Aziz Uddin. They're from Pakistan, wanted in an alleged $50 million phone hacking scheme. Wow!

2:22:15 Wow, 50 million dollars? It involved them compromising a business telephone system and then generating telephone calls from that system to premium numbers. Wow, I'm glad the government's on this heinous crime. This caused the victim company to incur a large amount of cost due to these telephone calls. Boo-hoo, how about the company solve their own dumb stuff? Carlos Perez Molera from El Salvador allegedly sold illegal spy software for $89 to thousands of people who suspect their significant others are cheating. Lover Spy came in the form of a disguised greeting card that infects the recipient's computer with malware, capturing their email, even in some cases their webcam.

2:23:02 The FBI does this admittedly and by the way, yeah, and when did this become a crime? Why yeah, what's the crime? What is old software that did it was a bit essentially it was spyware software that you could you'd have yeah, it's like it's like any of the Keylogging stuff. There's a bunch of it. You can get it all over the place. Why is this now? Why are you on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list? I mean, I can just see now. Yes, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. They were doing a podcast With anti-government sentiment. They are top cyber criminals. Perhaps the scariest of the new most wanted hackers, Andrei Nabilevich Tame. The last remaining fugitive in Operation Ghost Click. This Russian hacker and his six Estonian partners allegedly infected four million computers in more than 100 countries.

2:23:52 Half a million of the computers were in the US, including some belonging to NASA. They allegedly made $14 million by redirecting traffic to websites they were paid to advertise. It's a pop-up scam! Seriously? This is what the FBI is now going after? This is what we're spending our resources on? Yes, that's just that's outrageous not only that but the other one there one from the Pakistanis who redirected phone calls through somebody else's system And then the system got charged by obviously AT&T or somebody else for these these bogus calls. Yeah, where's that? Where's that? How is that like? Put them on the list they should be AT&T should just reimburse the yes It's not like you know like the routers got worn down from the traffic

2:24:43 Unbelievable. Yeah, well it's not quite as unbelievable as this and you know this is one of my pet peeves where the NSA just becomes like a punchline and it's like oh whatever you know it's just that's the way it is it's what it is this is about the the Glenn Greenwald stolen information from Snowden actually I'm sorry it's a Barton Gelman this time monetizing on the Snowden documents two pages from a flower point published and this is now people are aghast about the five billion calls a day the NSA is storing the metadata and we have our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr with the CNN shills at the desk and just listen to how they just it's like oh well whatever we'll just give into it nothing you can do this is well I

2:25:33 I don't know, hadn't thought about it. The NSA is not under law allowed to collect information on Americans but in this, you know, again in the cyber connected world they're overseas and the NSA freely admits that there are times when they perhaps inadvertently, incidentally collect information on Americans, not supposed to happen. But you know as we've talked about in this day and age you go onto the internet, you click a few times a commercial provider is recording the record of those transactions as well. So why should you care? It seems we're getting into that age where the concept of privacy is pretty limited. Forget about it. Forget about it. If you're overseas, you've got a phone, you're making a phone call, there's no protection? I mean, they're basically going to track it, there's no... Well, they can't. I mean, they're doing it, but can you fight back?

2:26:23 Well, that's a really good question. I don't know. I mean, that's a good question. I'm going to call the NSA and object. I want to go on the do not call list. Yeah, I don't. I don't mean to, you know, dismiss the question. I think it's hugely valid. You know, if you are trying to call home, if you're trying to call your office, we at CNN around the world, who knows how many cell phone calls we all make a day around the globe to our sources. And we don't expect that to be tracked. by the government and I think many citizens in other countries don't expect the NSA to be tracking their calls either. Yes, exactly. We're talking about Americans being offended but what about those overseas who are apparently fair game? Barbara, always great to see you. Barbara Starr there. Of course, your phone's putting out a... you can track the phone just sitting there. You don't have to be on it.

2:27:11 Yeah, that's true. Not much privacy. I mean you can assume that's true. Forget about it, there is no privacy. Forget about it people. Just forget about it. There's no privacy. Just forget about it. I'm British, I sound official. Just forget about it. Who is this douche? CNN is... I think didn't you and I have a rare email exchange about this? Yes, we did. CNN, I read a thing about Jeff Zucker who failed at NBC to... Failed? He sunk the network. Yeah, that would be failing. And now he's sinking CNN. He wants it all to be shows like Anthony Bourdain and he's running around like, look, Anthony Bourdain got a million viewers. Yeah, because, you know, but there's a huge hole he's creating here for a true news network.

2:28:00 Anyone with the money and the brains can take over this spot that CNN is going to leave. He's really not smart about what he's doing. They're getting rid of all of the news. All they want to do is have long-form programming, you know, like the History Network and Discovery. Right, Hitler documentaries. Yeah, exactly. And I think this is a huge mistake. And anyone with a little bit of marketing, and it could be Al Jazeera, but they don't have, it's unlikely.

2:28:38 They just don't have the right branding and they don't have the right people. No, their branding is bad. Even their coverage is not good. The Al Jazeera English, which is the one out of the UK, is better than Al Jazeera America. Al Jazeera America is pathetic. It's very, very lame and it's still better than CNN, but then again, nobody watches that channel, the current network, TV or whatever it is. They never watched it before, they're not watching it now. So, no, CNN's gonna leave it to Fox. I think that train's left the station. Yeah. And I don't know what MSNBC is gonna do. It was interesting to see the... Was it the Ed Schultz tour? Is that... Is he going around the country? Is that Ed Schultz? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Obama's appearing on stage with him. God, who would associate with that guy? Yeah, or with that network.

2:29:35 No, they were there ever since I mean Comcast is a conservative corporation. They're not going to tolerate much more of what's happening at MSNBC. I think it's going to be completely within the next 6 to 12 months. It's going to be a complete redo. Well at this point they can't they they've got to be losing so much money. I mean if you look at the numbers across the board everything's down by 40% over year over year and this is this no ratings. So there's no, they just, you know, they either do a make goods or I don't think they can charge that premium anymore for the educated audience maybe, who are watching Toure. I mean, once the numbers really come in, you know, it's going to be a rude awakening. Yeah, they got to, they need fixing. They got to get rid of all those losers. I just wanted to wrap up my bit with, if you want we can play some of, there may be one interesting bit.

2:30:35 But the Time Magazine, which I guess is now just a website, a blog, had a huge piece titled, The Morality of Listening to the Newtown 911 Tapes. What? Yes, yes. What does it say about you if you listen to the 911 tapes of the Newtown school shooting when they become available today? What does it say if you not only listen to them but first went looking for them? Plenty of news outlets including time.com have chosen not to post links to the audios, but they're out there and maybe you found them. Listening to the terror of the callers and the gunfire in the background and knowing that children, babies really, were being murdered by the bullets that each of those popping sounds represented. And this is a long article, it just goes on and on and on. But essentially you are lower than whale crap if you were interested in listening to these tapes.

2:31:35 and CBS had a little bit of interesting information. There are other 911 calls but they were routed to state police dispatchers and are not among the ones released by the Newtown PD today. They're the subject of another freedom of information request filed by the Associated Press and Scott that request is still pending. Impressive. I didn't know that. There are more tapes Yeah, well the first ones were a flop so they had to redo some. They're probably in the studio right now. On CNN there was an interview with Marshall... Wait, hold on a second. What?

2:32:15 When you call 911, don't you go to a central dispatch? You don't get routed here and there. Hold on a second, I'm going to route you to state police. Hold on a second, I'm going to route you to local police. Did you ever have that happen on 911 calls? Actually, no. I got a number of emails from people who are very familiar with the situation and yes, a lot. In fact, some of the voices we were hearing were actually state police 911 dispatchers. It did get routed through state. systems. That's not entirely clear how it works, but yeah, you can get routed to a different system depending on where you're calling from.

2:32:53 It can happen it would seem to me that you'd want the locals who are right down the street Yeah, sure to get the call not the state police. It depends. It's the 911 system is what's doing it? You have the e911 system that you know routes it based upon your Your phone number and its location. There's a lot of variables all right, okay? So here's something we didn't hear Oh, I didn't catch it the first time. If you listen very closely to this audio that we did play, the dispatcher in the background says, there's a rumor it's fake. At which point the other dispatcher says, get off the phone. Something's happening. Okay. There's a rumor it's fake. Jen, hang up. I need you to get off that phone. Did you hear it? Yeah. That's kind of weird. I didn't know the rumor that it was fake came out on the day of the minute it was happening.

2:33:49 So she was on there this was the guy calling in and that was the wife or somebody? No, no, no, they're both dispatchers. They're both dispatchers. Okay, so the female dispatcher She says there's a rumor this is fake and then the other dispatcher says Jen I need you to get off that phone That's a good one Marsha Lanza who is the sister of the ex-husband of Adam Lanza's mom, was on CNN. I hate to say what show she was on. And she apparently had talks to Lanza's mom just like in the very same week. Yes, we all have questions as well that we'll never have answers to as to why

2:34:44 Was he a troubled child? Did he get the help that he needed? Did he get enough help? Who knows? I mean, if we look at the footsteps that were taken, and Nancy did the best she could with what she had. And money was not the object to hold her back from getting him the help that he needed. But as a parent, did she step back and look at the reality of where she was in her parenting skills? Now listen very closely to the question and her answer. I don't know. You spoke to Nancy Lanza, I believe, in the week leading up to the shooting. How did she seem to you then? Did she mention any problems that she was having with her son? No, she did not. She said her boys were fine and that she was looking into education, further education for Adam into Washington. You know, they were waiting to hear back.

2:35:33 I believe this to be a lie. I went back to two days after the so-called shooting at Sandy Hook. A local station found Marsha Lanza and she had something completely different to say. Marsha Lanza of Crystal Lake says the family is upset with her for speaking out. Didn't want me to go to the press but I felt somebody from the Lanza family should be represented. Lanza's 20-year-old Adam Lanza's aunt, his mother who was also one of the victims of the Connecticut massacre, was her former sister-in-law. Lanza says she has not seen her nephew since he was three years old and had very little interaction with the family. She immediately called her husband who lives out of state to let him know about the awful tragedy. Very little contact. Interesting what difference a year makes. I spoke to her just that week. Huh? Yeah. It's just to add more fuel to the fire. I don't know why this happens. It's...

2:36:26 Well, you know they have to do stuff to keep people from forgetting in fact I have a couple clips here. Aha! Of an event that we forgot and we don't even bring it up. I don't even, and I'd have to, I still put it on the calendar to see if it's part of any six-week thing but it was another anti-gun deal that happened. If you remember by playing these two clips Redux 1 and 2, you'll remember this but there's some that just disappear from the scene. Red 33! What was the, what was this?

2:37:13 Can I play the second clip? You'll remember. Oh, I know what this was. Yeah. Red 33! Red 33! Clip blitz! Clip blitz! Just in a business suit, 53-year-old Jeffrey Johnson shot dead a former colleague before being killed by police in a shootout in which nine others were injured. He pulled his .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol from his bag and fired on the officers who returned fire, killing him. Yeah, forgot about that. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna dig up some of these that we're just gonna forget about. They go into the subconscious mind. Yeah, it's hard to keep track of all this stuff sometimes.

2:37:50 So the French, you know, they apparently passed the prostitution law, but then you listen to this report and there's a little punchline at the end that makes you go, oh jeez, what is the point? Fines for those soliciting sex. That's the new policy passed by French lawmakers that has people out in protest. decriminalizing prostitutes whilst hitting their customers with 1,500 euro fines. The draft bill aims to curb human trafficking. But sex workers have been left worrying about the impact to their livelihoods. We need our clients and our clients need us. The mafia network will rise. There's going to be chaos. Frankly I think what's going to happen will be horrible. This law is going to multiply the problem by 10,000.

2:38:37 Protest hasn't been reserved to prostitutes. Some of those tasked with policing France's streets see problems in the law. We're going to have to go in the woods, hide behind tree trunks and try to film people in order to catch them. But the police doing that are normally the ones who are trying to close down on pimping rings. Touted as some of the toughest prostitution legislation in Europe, the bill must still be ratified by the country's Senate before it becomes law. That's a process not expected to start until next spring. So it's still open season?

2:39:18 Yeah, and it's not going to be until next spring when this is resolved. So what is the reason for all this coverage when this is not even a law, it's just a proposal? There's something up about this by the way. I don't know what it is, but it just seems like there's an awful lot of coverage for nothing. Bookers are important. You know, there's that. So they got food trucks in France. Yeah. Which I think is funny. Although they're artsy-craftsy food trucks. But there's a little report about that from Van Kaay. Again, this is depression news as far as I'm concerned. Mass and the French fry truck is no exception. He focuses a lot on shape. That's his artistic approach. He likes to revisit everyday objects that have become somewhat stereotyped. And in this case, it was the truck.

2:40:03 so he changed the shape, giving that melted down aspect. He has a rather wacky, comical take on these sorts of objects. The van, Bob, is run by Hervé Ochard and his team. Hervé has several fast food businesses in Lille, but this is his first food truck. I don't think we're working in a fully functioning work of art. I've never worked in a food truck before and now I wonder why we ever needed such big kitchens in the first place. Only fresh fare here, sandwiches, soup, hot dogs, burgers and of course the famous northern french fries.

2:40:42 These chips are sourced locally. I work with local farmers and cut them for me. What's interesting is in France they got not only food trucks but now they have boutique trucks, they got clothing trucks, they got nail trucks, they got hair salon trucks. Yeah well it's also part of the small house movement. It's the same, it's all part of the Depression you know it's like depression, and we're turning it into like something cool. Oh, it's cool man food trucks are cool Yes, small houses. Yes, very tiny house is cool. Yeah, I mean we're thinking of building some tiny houses up north and that's also That's also part of agenda 21 by the way this whole movie. Oh absolutely Which means you can probably get some money so the last thing I have is this which is the

2:41:27 I was, as I read this, this is an article that was in the Daily Mail, so it's somewhat sketchy, but it talks about how American men are starting to talk like women. Yeah, I have the report in the show notes. It's a sketchy report at best. It's sketchy, but I can, you know, this I think is probably the rationale that would be pro-bullying, because if you started talking like, up-talking it's called, I'll read the report here and you can tell me what, in fact, I'll up-talk it. Scientists from the University of California San Diego recorded the voices of 24 young people and found that 12 men they studied up-talked. Up-talking or speaking like a valley girl involves rising in pitch at the ends of sentences and is often associated with insecure and shallow girls. So the classic example I have a clip of, and this is up-talking.

2:42:17 And now we have an extra special bonus tip for all you cool seekers out there. That's right, we're running together for school president! Co-presies! Our platform, two girls, one seat. Sounds cool! And kinky. So vote Amber Cassandra if you want High School USA to be the coolest school in town! It's so awesome! Yeah. I believe that this could be beginning because this is the kind of thing that bullies would not put up with. If you began to talk like this in normal circumstances, you would get punched. Literally punched by a bully. And I'm now beginning to think that the anti-bullying movement is to possibly a way to feminize the American male.

2:43:02 Oh, just one of the, well, one of the many reasons behind the anti-bullying movement, sure. But this is a cultural thing and it is bothersome and I hear very intelligent women say something and say, oh this is gonna be great, it's gonna be awesome! And I look and I'm like, really? Did you just do that? You went, awesome, awesome, fabulous, fabulous, fabulous, amazing. Well if you watch the E channel, which I sometimes do, I force myself, it's very important to see this. Please look at any red carpet event. The word amazing is just used all the time.

2:43:50 It's like your outfit is amazing. Oh your nails are amazing! Amazing! That's fabulous! Amazing! Awesome! It's a deficit in... Your compressor is not amazing! Yeah, no, the word amazing is... It's amazing how many people use it. Alright, I need to wind up here with some snow job news. Very funny what's happening now and the funny funnier funniest amazing funny that it's coming from Pando Daily who are in a war against Glenn Greenwald which is just fabulous they have dug up a tweet from Pierre Ominimi that's his new name by the way Ominimi we couldn't we can't remember his Omidyar name so it's Ominimi a tweet from Pierre from 2009 have you seen this tweet John? No.

2:44:47 A tweet from Pierre Omidyar in 2009, quote, anybody who publishes stolen info should help catch the thief. So and both Omidyar's tweet and Glenn Greenwald, everyone's very quiet. There's no been no tweets, at least there wasn't last night with like a whole day of silence on the tweet front, but also a huge really big publicity push from Sarah Harrison and she is in multiple articles. Sarah Harrison you should remind people who she is. Sarah Harrison, god damn this Skype is fucked. Is that Assange's girlfriend? Yeah he was, she was Assange's girlfriend

2:45:33 And then she's shacked up, or we believe she's shacked up with Snowden. If you look at, so there's a, I'm learning more about her and the pictures in the Stern, stern.de I have a cover with her, and you have to Google this, Sarah Harris. Now she is, she's not a lawyer, she's basically a private school educated girl from Seven Oaks, actually Seven Oaks Public School, which is a private school in the UK, very well known as a spy school. A lot of spooks come out of there, out of the Seven Oaks system.

2:46:13 But she has done these glam photos and she's in Berlin with her fake fur coat and her mini skirt and her knee-high boots and she's like, I'm in exile, I can't go home. And then you see her on the picture with Snowden in Moscow. She's got this hot, smoking hot fashion, a little black F me dress on. Which I'm sure she just threw that in her suitcase as she was on her way to Moscow. And she's now, her quotes are like, how can you take Pierre Omnidiar seriously? So there's a war now between the Berlin faction of so-called exiles.

2:46:58 Cuz you know I can't go back no you can't go back cuz Julian's gonna kick your ass because you cheated on him with Snowden That's what's going on, but you look at her She's got the plump lips, and she's got a actually got a little space between her front teeth She's got a very she almost looks German actually get a real kind of she does look very German She got a real sexy kind of like you can just and you see what's going on with her. It's so obvious It's so obvious And so this is beautiful to follow. Because, you know, she used to be with WikiLeaks, essentially. She still is, but is she really? You know, because she's kind of... she's in between. We've got to keep our eye on her. And she is now... Well, you've always believed that she is the... you have to follow her. Yes. I haven't heard a part about her private school, which is interesting. Yeah, this isn't... well, it's the... I have it here.

2:47:55 Seven Oaks School. It's in the UK? Yeah, it's in Seven Oaks, which actually has six Oaks, not seven. I know because I used to fly over it all the time. But this is Jonathan Evans. Let's see, he's the former MI5 boss. He was at the Seven Oaks School. Sir John Sawyer's current boss of MI6. Had a kid at Seven Oaks. And Seven Oaks is a spy school. It's a spy school. There's a lot of Seven Oaks School, MI5, MI6 stuff, and that's where she came from. Yeah, it costs 30,000 pounds a year to go there. So she's a rich little girl, has no qualifications, has no... she's not a lawyer or anything, but she might have some skills just looking at the pictures. Now I got an email from an insider

2:48:49 And by the way, I'm not on BitMessage anymore. BitMessage became a pain in the ass because everyone started sending me, instead of the regular email, they'd send it through BitMessage and it's not convenient. BitMessage takes a long time to read and send and so just, you gotta encrypt stuff if you wanna send it to me. Do you remember the slide, the kind of like the post-it note with GFE with a little smiley face and we laughed that it was girlfriend experience? Right, that's the joke we made. That's the joke we made. So, this insider who sent this email to me says, oh Adam, you know why the big smiley face was there? GFE? He said in military networks, GFE stands for government furnished equipment. And that's why there was a smiley face.

2:49:41 So he's saying that it is highly likely that the Google hardware encryption device where the NSA taps into and where they had their little smiley face and the term GFE was because they were laughing because that is probably a government furnished equipment. That Google is using? Yeah. He says he can't prove it. But he said that's what the acronym stands for in our world and they had even put a little smiley face saying Oh Google front end, but GFE in these circles means government furnished equipment. That would warrant a smiley face. That would warrant a big smiley face. Yeah, so totally. Bottom line, opt out of cell phones. I've done it. You know what? It works great.

2:50:35 I have my Wi-Fi off and then whenever I need to be somewhere, you know what? Yeah, sometimes I'm a little late on receiving a text message, but John, you always send me a text message to look at the newsletter before you send it out. Am I usually pretty responsive? Yeah, within a few minutes. And sometimes a little longer because I might be out. But then eventually I'm somewhere friendly where I know there's a Wi-Fi and I've built up a nice little database of Wi-Fi access points. I flip on my machine. I don't have it on with Wi-Fi tracking me all the time. And it works fine. And I don't miss not having a phone at all. At all. You can opt out of that. You really can. You don't need to constantly be connected.

2:51:20 So opt out of the stupid cell phone stuff and opt out of Gmail and Yahoo mail and figure it out how to set up your own server. It's not that hard. Read! I can do it, I'm a disk jockey. And he can do it. Right. How does that work? Yeah, it's so hard. Alright, I think we've done this long enough for today. I'm just gonna sit here and Google pictures of Sarah Harrison.

2:51:58 Don't you think she's got kind of that look, John? She looks like a... She looks like a kind of a... She has a look, yeah. She's got a real... She's got a look. Did you see the... It's a milieu look. Oh, yeah. Can't get around it. Did you see the cover page of... Their stern? Yeah. Yeah. Styled, right? Yeah, she looks pretty German too. It's pretty interesting. And you see- did you find the picture of her in uh... No, I didn't find the other pictures you mentioned. Oh, with her in the like, the hot uh- look at her with Snowed in the background and she's on the cover. Yeah, no, I saw that. Auf der Flucht! Auf der Flucht for Amerika! Which is bullcrap, she's British. Yeah. She doesn't want to go back to Britain, not America. Crazy krauts.

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