Festival of Corruption

00:00 mainstream suit all right adam curry john c dvorak it's sunday december 1st 2013 time for your gitmo nation media assassination episode 570 this is no agenda garden I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's actually really a holiday we're working. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning. Hey man, you mean it's still holiday? We're still working the holiday? This is actually the day that nobody listens to the show. It's actually worse than Thanksgiving. It is, actually, and the numbers prove it. John, before we do anything, the entire citizenry of Gitmo Nation needs to know how your apple dressing turned out.

00:57 Actually, it turned out quite well. I wouldn't say it's a substitute, perfect substitute for people who like a ready tasty sage infused dressing, normal dressing, but I would say as a substitute with one correction to my recipe, which I will publish in the next newsletter for anyone interested for maybe Christmas. Yes, full transparency as usual. Is that the apples, which I used, a variety of apples, actually should be peeled As opposed to unpeeled, because the only annoying thing about the dressing is the apple peels. Right. Oh, you know, they never soften. Oh, you left them in there. Yeah. Oh, hey, by the way, can you just check your Skype and make sure you don't have the automatic stuff set on? Just to double check. Am I variable? Yeah. Beyond the usual, yeah. You're always a little bit variable.

01:51 This is the no agenda show episode 570 coming to you on December the 1st, 2013. I unchecked these boxes but there they are again. I know they checked themselves back. Skype just wants to do that. It wants to recheck. I don't know why. I have the same thing. I don't know why it does that. It makes no sense. Other than, listen you stupid user, you don't actually want to do that. Don't worry, we'll fuck it up next time you start our program. That's the thing. Alright, I'm unchecked. Well, I'm glad you asked. Yes, my Thanksgiving was weird. I'm glad you asked? I said I was unchecked. I know you didn't ask, but I wanted to move on. I wanted to get to my sad Thanksgiving. Just to get on with the show. Yes. Have you had, now this was the first year.

02:46 That I and I came to the realization. I was one of the sad people oh you poor, baby And I'm saying I'm one of the sympathetic ones so I was invited to to a friend's house. All by yourself? Well, no, the thing was when I walked in, of course, you know, everyone had kind of finished eating by around like 2.30. Let's set this up before we go into this. There's new listeners or somebody missed the last show. All right. So Miss Mickey was, that's my wife, if you're really new to the show. That's dropping it back a little bit. Just letting you know. So Mickey was in Los Angeles. She was working.

03:29 And, you know, she's not American and she, you know, we do Thanksgiving but she's like, whatever. It basically doesn't care. And I didn't think I would care either. And normally I don't think I would but I was kind of like well, what am I gonna do? And so I was invited I had multiple invitations But I got invited by some friends and they said come on over and then you will take you to the UT game afterwards And whatever. Okay, so I had actually prepped perfectly at asked you what you know, what wine should I bring? You said no no bring champagne and you know, I got the right champagne and but you know, I because of the post-production of the show I wasn't there until four

04:07 You know because it's not just post-production that like I wanted to shave and I was a mess I'm a mess after this show. I'm a phys I don't know about you, but I'm a mess and I smell and it's just bad. How about you? No, I actually take a shower, I clean up, I put a little bronzer on, comb my hair a little, a little mousse. Busted! No, that's when you go to twit when you put the bronzer on. Okay. So, exactly. So I'm cleaning, so I'm there and it's not that far away, but you know, so, but I'm there at four and I'm walking in and you could see everyone's like bellies full, they're all talked out and I could see like it was all... Wait, was this, this was, you were invited to a Thanksgiving lunch? Apparently.

04:47 But it's because there was a game and I'll get to that and this was the house of a former Dell guy. He's now at UT, you know, but for my so nice house, I mean this is like whoa Hello, there must have been 30 people and I and the minute I wanted I knew a number of them like oh This is where all the riffraff and losers with no family congeal Like and I'm walking in with two bottles of champagne like hey and everyone's like but hey And as you know, I was promised cowboys and trannies. Well, well, well. The cowboy, who was an actual official oil land-owning cowboy, like left almost the moment I came in. And he was the real deal. This guy...

05:37 Hold on a second. Well, hold on. He's so real cowboy. I have it here. He has a book out. You want to Google this. Barbecue Biscuits and Beans. Chuck Wagon. Cooking. Forward by Tommy Lee Jones. This is how... You can't get more Texas cowboy than that. He was like, yeah, Tommy Lee wrote that for me. Yeah. I'm like, okay. I'm going to go shooting with Tommy Lee. this is bill cobble no or cliff tenant cliff tynard cliff tynard yeah and he had the hat he had the boots it was a real cowboy but he had to leave because he and i know what i would only understand later that he had to go do something with bevo and i'm like okay what i thought maybe he said devo he said bevo i didn't quite know what that meant so anyway then there was the

06:32 Actually, it's not fair to say tranny because I think she's transgendered This is a professor at UT and yes, just totally spot-on and lovely, but no one told me she was 70 And she looked good for 70 no doubt about it. I don't want to be ages You know I have had like a little different fantasy in my mind going on Anyway, you know and then you know that they're heating up a plate of food for me and I'm eating and everyone's kind of like dribbling out and so it was really sweet that oh they did do I think they're all they're Jewish so they also did a lighting of the menorah and I've never witnessed a lighting of the menorah and there's a song that goes along with it and half the room singing the song and then and you're looking around you're like should I like

07:24 Move my lips and pretend I know the words. You know one of those? Like... Have you ever heard the lighting of the menorah song? No. Well neither did I. And I was like wow, okay. Well, I'm older than you, so you beat me. You win. It was nice. It was nice they shared that with us. Okay, so. You know this is the one time in 5,000 years I think it's gonna happen. It's 70,000 years the next time. Oh, 70,000 years from now. Yeah, 70,000 is the next time this will happen. Which by then I think Thanksgiving will actually have been moved. Yeah. Okay, so then it was like, all right, hurry up. We got to go see the game. Now I had already, I previously agreed to do this and I had not been, I had not been to a live sporting event in 40 years. I think the last time was the Boston Red Sox when I was nine.

08:16 So it may about 40 years I've never been to a stadium. I've been to a stadium for a concert, but you know backstage or whatever games a year here and there and I've never been so I really can't remember and The University of Texas would have to be a real spectacular It really was this is that we had the stadium holds a hundred thousand people and it was almost full. I It was quite astounding. What I liked a lot, so you know we were dropped off, so we had no parking crap and you walk right up. There's no like Gitmo security, it's just like you got your ticket, go on. No like, no pat-downs, no metal detectors, you know very low-key. And then it was pointed out to me what this Bevo thing was. Are you familiar with Bevo?

09:01 You know, it rings a bell. I didn't bother to Google it, but... That's our cow. I mean, our steer. Oh, right, that damn cow. That steer. Yeah, they run him out onto the stadium. It's not quite as cool as the one that they have at the University of Colorado where they run a live buffalo out onto the field and he goes 200 yards around in a circle and back into his cage. Well, Bevo is a little slower. This is a big longhorn steer that they run. I don't know if they run it out. Do they run it? Yeah, well it's more like a walk. It's not like a run. Oh yeah, well this thing runs at full tilt. And he stays in the pen, you know, in the corner there of the stadium. So he had pretty good seats on the 50-yard line.

09:45 You know, no box or anything. I liked it. These were 75 bucks. And I was like, wow, what a scam this is. That was cheap. Are you kidding? That cheap? And so we played the Texas Tech. Now, if you've never been to a ball game, certainly not a local one, you don't know a lot of the traditions. And there's a lot of things I had to learn, which it was just interesting that, you know, I'd never even heard of hook'em. Like what? Everyone's like, hook em! I'm like, hookers? Hook em, I guess, because we're a longhorn. And then we have this, you know, pinkie and index finger salute like the metal bands do. That's kind of our thing. Yeah, the longhorn salute. If you flip it backwards, it's the sign of the devil. Yeah, exactly. So everyone's doing that. I'm like, okay. And then we have a cheer. You know our cheer?

10:41 I don't really care to know it, but go on. Well, you have to. So one side of the stadium goes, TEXAS! And the other one goes, FIGHT! This is so military creative militaristic and and there were a couple injuries and and I was you know So first of all, they play taps during the injuries or what? You know what? Well that so the guy was he was really was knocked out It was a Texas Tech player and you could see him like he did this flip in the air land on his back and the guy was out and so the his players not just Texas Tech but the UT guys circled around him on one knee and

11:17 I'm like, what are they doing? Oh, that's like out of respect. I'm like, no, they're praying. It's what it looked like. That's what they do. It was a little intense, you know, as like, okay, so and then, um, I see what other weird, oh, they got a penalty for unsportsmanlike behavior for dancing in the end zone. They're cracking down on this. Yeah, but it wasn't like outrageous. He did a little high. I know it's very controversial amongst sporting fans as to what? Yeah, I'm not even a fan. And I was like come on a little bit of celebration. He high-stepped a bit and we're all going nuts like yeah.

11:59 And then, you know... Oh God. I know, I know. And so here's... just to round out my experience, which included of course the University of Texas drum band who did a fine medley of Stevie Wonder and James Brown and other soul and R&B classics. Did they have the Texas tradition where at the end of the game if Texas wins, and I believe they did in this game 41 to 16 to be exact. Yeah. Did they have a tradition where the cheerleaders come into the stands and blow all the fans? We left five minutes early. I'm sorry. Too bad. You should have stuck around. But what the cheerleaders do do is each time we score, they do the number of points, they do backflips.

12:40 So, you know, so if we score a touchdown, then they do seven backflips. Yeah, great. Yeah. Well, it's like the Oregon Duck. He does a push-up, but he does a push-up of the cumulative score every time they score. So when they score 49 points, he does 49 push-ups. When they score again, he does another 49 plus 7. So I could just see, you know, I could really feel how this is the bread and games. You know, when you approach this as an outsider, essentially, and you get thrown in in an awakened state, you see the similarities between the Roman Colosseum. You just see it. It could have been Christians and lions in there. It made no difference. Kill them! Yeah! And I'm just like, okay, this is for your testosterone. The funny thing was, I'm with three gay guys.

13:26 And they're all testosteroneed up. It's like, whoa. Well, there's been studies, by the way, which is one of the reasons I always advise people not, if you have a losing team, like the Cal Bears, for example, you don't really want to root for them because apparently there's been some studies that show that sincere fans who are even watching the game on TV have the same hormonal ups and downs as the players on the field. So if you have, so if it's a big win, you know, you have the same elation as a fan that you would if you were a player and if you just got your ass handed to you, you would have the same depressed feelings. So you want to find a team that wins a lot for your own health. Yeah, exactly. Yes. And to round out my experience, two seats down, a lady died.

14:23 Was she a Red Raiders fan? No, she was young and she was there with her husband and their daughter and the daughter must have been you know mid-20s and she just died. I'm not sure what happened but she was dead. You know when it was a dead woman? Yes, yes. Just sitting near you like like two two two things two steps down. Yes. So they brought out the medics and all this and she was a dead she was a goner. Yeah they're like you know they're like trying to figure out there's any breath any pulse there's nothing and I've seen dead people. John she was dead and and her kids freaking out and her husband's like uh it was weird and then yeah and then they put her in the

15:05 I mean like the gurney and you know not the gurney I'm like a they have a special wheelchair so they can get people out of the stands easily and her head's just flopping from back and I mean it was disturbing. I would think so yes. On the other hand two good seats opened up a little closer. That was kind of nice. But it really did happen and it was very disturbing and it kind of, I have to say, kind of ruined the vibe a little bit. You know, you're just kind of like looking down like... Did she die in the first half or the second half? Just before the halftime and so we waited through halftime and then even, of course it was late, but it also got really cold. So the whole thing, like,

15:52 Anyway, that was my Thanksgiving and it was so it was an interesting to witness the game. I felt very lonely. I did, honestly. And Miss Mickey's back and she made me pancakes today. So all is well, people! Now let me... Well, you probably would have felt less lonely if you knew anything about football. I know! What do you mean? I know tons about football. This is... Don't give me that. I know how the game works. I'm into that. I was into the spirit and everything. You know, the lady dying was a little bit... little downer. And it was cold and I didn't know you know I didn't know all the all the know all the customs But I like that but the dinner and everything was you know it was weird being alone and being kind of like part of the alone group You're in the alone group. You're the fifth wheel yeah a little bit a little bit Yeah, and nobody cared about the champagne cuz you came late. Yeah, I drank more. That was just a waste I drank most of it

16:47 Alright, so let me get something out of the way real quick then because everyone's emailing this and I think that we might have a possible two to the head situation here. And I wasn't gonna think it was anything at first. I'm talking about Paul Walker, the actor who was killed in Los Angeles. Yeah, the Fast and Furious guy. Right. Have you seen this vehicle? that he was driving? He wasn't driving. He was in the, he was, it was a Porsche Carrera GT, uh, which exploded upon impact apparently. Yeah, this is another one of those mysterious, I thought this was odd too, this is another one of those mysterious wild explosions, um, similar to the one that took out, uh, was his name, Hastings Haskell? What's his name? Hastings. Michael Hastings. Yeah. So here's what's wrong.

17:42 Look at the picture. I know I owned a Porsche a long long time ago a 9-11 Carrera Essentially the same car they've been making this a little has changed very little 30 years the the gas tank is in the front all right and Because the engine is in the back. There's not a lot of car unless they've changed that no no it's probably still the same design But it's in a bladder, but I think that gas tank is very rugged It's well of course these are cars that do rallies and this isn't there's not a lot of difference between the and in fact I think this was a racing version the driver was a race car driver and

18:28 So this thing exploded in the back, like the engine exploded. Are you kidding me? Oh, is that right? Look at the pictures! The front end is intact! The hood is still open. The bonnet, I should say. So that makes it... I didn't catch this because I actually wrote it off. I was lax, I guess, for this. I did the same. No, no, I did the same, but someone tweeted and I'm like, holy crap, I'd forgotten about that. And then I went looking and of course it's hard to look now, which is the whole point. Attorney General Eric Holder is appealing a judge ruling

19:06 in his contempt of Congress case, where he refused to turn over documents relating to the fast and furious gun-walking controversy. And there is no better way to confuse the public and to get their mind off of this than to kill someone who's attached to a different fast and furious. Wow, that's a good one. I admire that kind of oddball thinking. But you know, it's not that... if you really, really, really think about it... Killing someone for your own benefit is done all... we drone toddlers these days, who gives a crap? So why wouldn't like... oh man... and this is like, John, this is only like 10 days ago that this came down and he's trying to appeal and we can't have this be news of course, so what's the best thing to do? We've already seen how Fast and Furious, when the movie came out, it also covered up another piece of this saga, remember that?

20:06 No, the new movie came out and we and we talked about it and and it had basically obviously, you know It's like a Google bomb now if you Google fast and furious, you're not going well, let's try it if I just do Right, you're gonna get this is a essentially a blocking mechanism. Yes for Google searches for anything for the Just it's like changing the word gay meaning happy and funny to homosexual It's changing the word. So, Fast and Furious, Paul Walker dies, Paul Walker, Paul Walker, Wikipedia for the Fast and the Furious, IMDB, Fast and Furious. Let's see if not even on the first page. Nope, nothing on the first page. Let's look for the second page, which is one of the biggest scandals that has been ongoing for, what is it now, three presidencies? Fast and Furious, Fast and Furious is all- Well, it had a different name under Bush.

21:00 Yes, pretty sure. Yes, it did. You're right. So not until the second page, there's some book on Amazon, which is, let me see what it is. Fast and Furious, Barack Obama's bloodiest scandal and its shameless cover-up. So second page, below the crease, if you will, I'll mine. We should reiterate for some of our listeners who may have forgotten and some that don't know this about the case in Chicago. where the one guy was one of the Sinaloa cartel guys was busted. Yeah. And he blew the way. Actually, this, the lawyers are going after the government for discovery based on the fact that fast and furious was a gun running operation to send guns to the Sinaloa cartel to load them up. So they would take over all

21:53 the mexican gang and the drugs the drugs that are being smuggled in yes and we would be in we would be partners with them and we wouldn't have to deal with all these other crazy guys and we have one group that we would just work with them and that would be we'd be good you know what the weird thing is i think that if you went to the american public you want on television said ever but how everybody you know we got it we gotta be we gotta rule so what we decide do we decide that we're gonna partner with one of these uh... Mexican agency, we'll call it an agent, Mexican agencies and so we can run everything. I don't think you have a problem with that, do you? And we'd all go like, no, great. Don't you think? Don't you think ultimately it could be sold? We can sell anything to the American public. Yes, to a point, but the problem is the talk shows and everybody, because they're always looking for material, would try to cause trouble.

22:46 And so they'd be bringing this up. Oh, it's on. It's sinful. Matt can just hear a hucklebee right now. It's sinful. Well, then we just pump those guys with some drug money. Everybody and anybody can be bought. Right. Yeah, you could actually do that. I got this beautiful email, which I'm considering whether to republish it. It's too long to read. from one of our producers who really... He put it in the newsletter. I think we might have to and he wrote this beautiful explanation of how Iran and Iraq and Syria and how all of that really fits together and he reminded me that you know Iraq and Syria those are just those weren't countries you know they were just drawings on the map that the British made up

23:30 You know, so but we get says it's all part of World War one. Yes and so and we get it all into our brain that these are countries and And we don't understand how we I don't think we can comprehend He had a pretty good line about it how you could get a knife in the back from some guy whose great-grandfather was disrespected by your great-grandfather That's how that's how the culture is in majorities of the Middle East. We have no concept of that. We have concept of love and happiness and peace and unicorns and rainbows and we're not trained that way. But I think we could be. And maybe we should get a little bit of that or at least study what's going on with other people so we understand it. I think it's the not understanding that confuses people the most.

24:26 You know what I mean? Yeah, well that may be the reason we want to dumb down the public so we don't have to deal with making letting because understanding is dangerous. Oh, I must mention that even though my Thanksgiving was you know, not exactly optimal. Although I thank everybody who made it fun for me. Luckily, you and I did a great job of ruining Mickey's Thanksgiving because she listened to the show before their Thanksgiving dinner and I think the talk about the butterball and the white goop that comes out of the salmon, that put her off. And the turkey they had this turkey she's like yeah, I'm not eating that It was like a butterball special that stinks She was so put off by it. Did you ruin your thanks you ruined my ruin my Thanksgiving dinner? The white goop that comes out of the salmon I

25:24 And the salmon stinks. Yes. Hey, happy AIDS day. Yeah, AIDS day. Happy AIDS day. I truly wish that the pharmaceutical industry stops ruining lives of people and killing them with a lot of their solutions and we figure out what's really going on here and people awaken to that. That's my wish. And I commemorate and remember the people who have died of HIV and actually of AIDS, who I have lost. But today is not just AIDS Day. Today is a start of National Impaired Driving Prevention Month by presidential proclamation and Minority Enterprise Development Week. I wonder what that is. They go hand in hand. What is Minority Enterprise Development Week? Hmm. Just a week. This week we celebrate. Yeah, I know. Hey, minorities, you get a week.

26:21 We celebrate America's minority enterprises, renew our commitment to helping them grow, and look with pride towards the promise of the future. Thank you, Mr. President. Very nice. Well, then I guess all I can say is, uh, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak. Already? Yeah. Okay, well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and all the knights out there. And I'd also like to say in the morning to everyone in the chatroom, noagendastream.com, noagendachat.net, in the morning to El Cid Compador who got kicked out of the chatroom. Why did El Cid Compador get kicked out of the chatroom? Because he was saying, this is boring, move on with the show.

27:07 Oh, good. That's the Leo approach. If you start complaining about the show, you get kicked out of the chat room. And it's not boring. It was boring. I'd say it was boring. Or Adam would say it was boring at the drop of a hat, but I'm a little more liberal. Oh, by the way, I just got a note. Apparently the Carrera GT is a mid-engine, so that may put the gas tank in the back. No, no, no. Yeah, it is a mid-engine, which is That's what they call it. Yeah, but it's in the back. The engine's right behind the seat. Right, but it's... But for all practical purposes, if you open that back thing up, there's your engine. Right. Well, where's the gas tank on that thing? Well, let's do... let's consult the book of knowledge. The book of knowledge! Porsche, P-O-R-S... is it S-C-H-E? Carrera, C-A-R-R-E-R-A, I believe. Gas. GT, gas tank. Tank location.

28:06 That would be my Google search for people trying to learn Google. Yeah, you have it It looks like it's it might be in the back actually It would be surprising and because it was surprised me too. I'm so sure it was in the front I can't did you find it? I can't find it. I'm looking right now There's a fuel pump there, and there's a gas tank. It was this gas tank Location it would need a fuel tank Somewhere it's in the front. Yeah, it's in the front. Oh Yes, that's what it looks like. I'm pretty sure the gas tank is... Here's the back, I'm looking at images. If you open the lid, there is a engine there. The mid-engine, sitting on top of that rear axle. It's not hanging off the back like a dragster.

28:57 so uh... and the the wikipedia's is not telling me where the gas tank location here's a picture of the of the of the bond which is a frontage right under the tire there's a gas tank big giant gas tank not much room in this thing yeah i don't know who does meet it made engine is that it's mid-engine is not like a ferrari mid-engine which is literally where elbow is uh... so that the and and they were all kinds of Um, like speed tracks everywhere, like they've been pulling donuts and stuff. I'm thinking they were dodging the drone is what I'm thinking. They're trying to outrun it. You know, you laugh. Why would they know a drone was on them? Would they have the electronics in the car? Beep, beep, beep, target locked, target locked. Evade, evade, evade. Yo, bullcrap. They were doing donuts because the guy was showing off the car.

29:58 That, no, this is what's up. I'm getting all kinds of messages, like I literally have text messages flying. Apparently the news of his death came out before it happened yesterday. Okay, but this, we need a little more time to look into this, but... You see, this is the kind of stuff that's, this is all obfuscation. Yeah. It is, it is. But now the information, especially if there was some evil doing or a drone, which is, the more interesting possibility. Maybe they're just taking pot shots at people. I mean, that guy doing donuts down there, let's blow him out of the air. Listen, we have these cars exploding on impact. Yeah, in the movies. Sure. In the movies. It just really doesn't happen that often, John.

30:50 No, I know. In fact, if you look at most of them, there are a lot of these, you know, one man... I mean, we fixed that with the Pinto, okay? You know, the exploding gas tank trick is old. We fixed that. Don't you remember? We had lawsuits about that. And so this isn't supposed to just happen. It doesn't. I'm hard pressed to believe it. I like the drone idea that we've actually got active drones in Los Angeles basin. Well. Blowing people up. Well, and... There's been at least two dramas done on various... Where this is exactly the plot. I think Assel had one where the guy was blown up by a drone. Yeah, and this is the plot.

31:31 And we've had all these houses explode of natural gas leaks, which is another thing, which I'm sorry, the myth busters who everyone always thinks are all this and that, and a bag of chips, they couldn't even replicate it. They were trying to do the Jason Bourne thing where he blew up the house with a gas. It's very difficult to blow up a house with gas. Yeah, you can kill people inside a house with gas. Easily, yes. That's more likely. But blowing it up is not. So, you know, I will take the crackpot side on this that it's a great way to distract from a heated issue, very hot, hot, hot, with a court case and a federal judge against the highest person in the Justice Department in the country, Eric Holder,

32:25 for lying or being in contempt, being held in contempt of Congress, that's a big deal if he needs to hide something when he's basically covering for his boss who is already in a weak situation. I think an actor is expendable. maybe they you know maybe we tried you know maybe they brought in the the Israeli spy guy I mean we need news we need news news news be a Hollywood whacker for all you know what fuck it let a train go off the rails we need to do something people actually a train did go off the rails yeah gee curiously you don't say so these

33:04 I'm not putting our government beyond doing these kinds of crazy things. That's all I'm saying. Smoke everywhere, four killed as train derails. At least four people were killed and 63 others injured when the Metro North train in New York jumped the tracks on Sunday, today. I am getting news from the chat room that this particular vehicle is known to catch fire when it crashes. Of the 90 or so crashes there have been fires in more than 30 of them. Yeah, fires. But they crashed sideways. I don't know. Look, I'm not a forensics expert. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. But it is good luck for Holder, isn't it? Isn't he just going home like, oh shoot, that sucks.

33:48 Well, the way things are going with the, I mean, we do have a new, we, the news came out, you know, as they keep dribbling out these Snowden reports and the latest one being of course that they're using the information to blackmail, which we said from the very beginning of this thing, that the only reason you do this kind of data collection is to blackmail people so you can have political advantage. And we had a clip which we, I didn't reprise, it's around somewhere where they were the, uh, uh, Holder in particular who's already in trouble was asked specifically if the information collected by the NSA could be used for political advantage by one party or the other and Holder refused to answer the question in front of Congress and said he has to answer it some other time. If you remember that. If you were to label that clip today, what would you call it? Holder something.

34:42 Holder lies again. I would be something apology holder. Let me risk holder risks contempt This is a tough one John. Well. It's got a holders name in it well Yeah, how many how many holder things do you think are our in and probably 10? And they're all worth playing over again. Hold on a second. Let me just I can find this hold on I got it. I got a system home here. We go we have Corning grilling holder, Grassley demands apology, holder risks contempt, risk contempt of crumb, Munts holder does it, grilling holder, apology holder, risk contempt at Northwest. Play the risk contempt one. Okay hold on a second where is it? Risk contempt, would that be from 2011? Time flies. Okay. It would have to be after the

35:43 After Snowden first appeared that would be kind of a key. Okay. Let me see what we have here. I think that was 2012. No, so this can't be it. Holder risk and temp. Well, let's see what that is. You never know. Open. We'll just try this one if this isn't it then uh then we'll move on hold on a second here we go the house that they were not aware of the tactics that were employed as a result of that the information that is contained in that february 4th uh letter to you or the uh was fast and furious this is it no oh all right you know we'll look forward for uh for the next show i will look for it it's it's around yeah

36:28 Whatever the case, yeah, I was saying this is you know, it's a big deal. We have the president already under a lot of stress Not that it matters. I mean he's in his in his in but I think now would be the time for Hillary Clinton to and to announce she's running I think it'd be premature. Yeah, really? For one thing, they're making hay with this Ready for Hillary campaign. Right. Big time. So I get a memo every day. Ready for Hillary. Oh, if you could give us our fee, give us $3, give us $5 because we've got to talk Hillary into running. It's important that she run and it's with your help

37:07 Because of you she'll make the decision to run we've got to we've got to make her run is the dode She's not behind this whole thing. I mean, we're all dumb to the ROD's Democrats to believe this oh Well, I'm having dinner with some tonight, so we'll find out oh Yes, yes, yes indeed. I don't know if I had mentioned it, but tonight is our monthly installment of it's another installment of with the O-F-F-I-T-S. Are they coming over to your place or what? No, no, no. Next time is our place. Tonight is, I think, Lori's place. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm, well, we'll talk about it later, what I'm gonna do. Well, let's play the Sarah Silverman clip, which is kind of the way liberals think. Oh boy. Is this from the, her special? I didn't put in the really bad stuff. Because I actually caught this special.

38:04 Yes. You know, maybe liberals are a little more open minded, a little more progressive. You know, maybe conservatives are a little less progressive, a little more faggotish. I saw that she went into the whole thing about why pick on the Republicans. Yeah, it was very bigoted. It was completely bigoted and this is the left-wing approach to everything. It's like point the finger, tell everyone else they're bigots and then be bigot. Be the biggest bigot of them all. I think it's a look at the definition of bigot by the way to understand it I found her entire special at some points even yes hard to believe even for Adam somewhat shocking there's some of was pretty gross but there was a couple one-liners in there that were I laughed out very loudly in a couple things oh yeah I would that's what actually only reason I watch is that you know this woman I've never thought to her to actually be that funny not me neither she's a pretty she I believe she probably writes

39:05 Well for other people to edit so I said I'm gonna watch the whole it's only an hour short Yeah, I'm gonna watch and see if I can if I actually laugh and I laughed about left a couple times Yeah, there's a number of them that were quite and some of them were pretty pretty filthy, but it was like yeah It's funny, but it was indeed a very it a perfect example of a radical progressive person Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a little shocking at times. But also, you know, she had some funny stuff. I have to admit there was like... I think it's the funniest I've ever seen. There were some dude jokes in there that was just good. It was like, oh my God, okay, you nailed it. You nailed it. So that's why that... Save for work. Well, that particular thing didn't really bother me because, you know, it's comedy.

40:03 It's just comedy. I know, but you know... What I don't like is when she goes into the whole, you know, funny or die and then, you know, about voter ID and when she gets political outside of her show just to be political and then is doing the same material that then it becomes a little disturbing. You know, not like, not like... So here's the guy that I'm just loving. I'm just loving this guy and I'd forgotten how much I like him because he's insane But, you know, insane people and children and drunks, they speak the truth. Kanye West, who is... I mean, you really want to dismiss the guy, particularly now that he's married, he has a kid with Kim Kardashian, they're getting married, so that whole thing is bizarre. But because of his... he's weak-minded, I think. I mean, he's not dumb, but he just has no filters, which I like.

40:59 He says stuff that comes out and it's like oh man. I'm glad someone just came out and said it So he did this radio interview I think it might be in Miami or Los Angeles and a lot of people are saying oh he got schooled Kanye got schooled Is that guy again by the way? Is that guy? Whereas he said some things that I thought were right on and I'm like, yeah, you know if all of us could just be honest from time to time and just say things and not be so politically correct and I can't believe I'm actually promoting Kanye. We don't got it like that. When I tell you only seven black billionaires look at that marginalization and we feel like we happy because me and Rick Ross got a Maybach or I got a Sprint outside or a couple of us or they put a black president

41:45 Man, let me tell you something about George Bush and oil money and Obama and no money. People want to say Obama can't make these moves or he's not executing. That's because he ain't got those connections. Black people don't have the same level of connections as Jewish people. Black people don't have the same connection as oil people. You know we don't know nobody that got a nice house? You know we don't know nobody with paper like that we can go to when we down? You know that could just put us back or put us in a corporation? You know we ain't in a situation. Can you guarantee that your daughter could get a job at this radio station? But if you own this radio station, you could guarantee that. That's what I'm talking about.

42:21 now so and when he says that you know black people don't have the connections that the Jews I'm like I gotta love the guy and I went back and I had to get his Hurricane Katrina speech do you remember that he's there with Mike Myers do you remember this John yeah vaguely I just got to play it again because I mean, I'm glad you admire what he's saying, but to me it's just like a he's just like a douchey complainer. Yes, he's got plenty of connections. No, no, come on. That's not true. He has zero connections. He wouldn't be as far as he's gotten. He got it all doing it over the internet on his own website that he designed. I don't think so. But the point is he's talking about real who really runs the show.

43:12 You know, he's talking about oil money, he's talking about Israeli lobby. I mean, he's using Kanye words. He's using Kanye words, but he sees what's going on. And it's not bad for people to hear that. But he gets dismissed. So sometimes even I got to stick up for the guy. And I went back to this, so this was live and Mike Myers and Kanye West at the Katrina Telethon. Which I, these things, I already hate these things by themselves already because the water in the blankets never gets to people. Now over 25 feet of water where there was once city streets and thriving neighborhoods. And everyone has this really, we have to talk like this as we're reading the teleprompter because it's so bad and so sad and we're so fortunate we're not dead.

43:56 They betray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food. He's right, John. He's right. That's what happened during the Katrina coverage. Black families, the news would be they're looting, white families, they're looking for food. He's right! And you know, it's been five days because most of the people are black and even for me to complain about I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation. So now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give and

44:39 just so that it was going to be off the rails and it was like telling mike myers jump back in there and then comes the beauty part that wants to do anything that we can help with with the set of the way america is set up to help the uh... the poor and the black people the less well off as slow as possible. Get him back on script! Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now fighting another way and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us. and subtle but even... and Mike Myers goes right back to the teleprompter. It was very funny. Here comes the money shot though. ... devastating is the lasting damage to the survivors will to rebuild and remain in the area. The destruction of the spirit of the people of southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up being the most tragic loss of all. George Bush doesn't care about black people. And then they cut him off. I'm sorry.

45:38 I think currently Obama doesn't either so well no and and I think that Kanye might even say that anyway I keep planning about a machine the problem is he puts everything in race racial terms but that's all that it's not it's a machine that's doing you know it's like a system although this system if there's a systematic problem that's different right but he is speaking to a very common denominator from which he, from whence he cometh as well. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, he just plays into the hands of the machine to be the way I see it. Oh, well.

46:18 I don't know. I think when people hear things... You know, here was a guy who's telling it like it is. Okay, that's great. What difference does it make? But okay. Because no one else hears Dennis Kucinich when he's telling them like it is. They weren't listening to him until they rousted him and he was rousted by his own party. No one, no, John. No one really listens. We are... No, I mean, I said he was talking. I never said anyone was listening. Well, this is my point. When Kanye talks, unfortunately, people listen. And so maybe this is how sad it is, but maybe they get a little inkling and go, hey, wait a minute, maybe you should Google that. And then before you know it, they see in the show notes, hey, what's this show that has Kanye in it? And then all of a sudden they're in on no agenda. Don't you see my evil plan? Well, you're an idealist today after being the loner. Oh, I see what happened. That's right. She showed up. She came home. Yeah.

47:12 Let's thank our short list. We started off and you went off the rails. I did. And now we have people to thank which are our producers. Which is very much the Hollywood system. Ironically enough. Mark Workman, we are executive producer. And he sent in a note. Mark Workman, I'm familiar with this name. I think this must put him into a knighthood because I know he supported us before. Yeah, this does put him into knighthood. It should be on the on there. Hopefully he's on the knighthood list yes Yes, he is I see you man is and James and mark. He wants to he's actually a baron He's the Baron of Gulch Gulch Gulch Gulch Gulch I really What he says he says he's the Baron no he's got his thing here

48:13 Okay, six two. I don't think he's a baron. Well. Let's do some research on this. He's gonna be knighted okay Because he's got his black knight accounting here. Well. We need black knight. He says he was past this nice not a black knight He wants to be a black knight. He's got his accounting here, and it's it indicates that he's a knight and As of this check, which doesn't give him a black knight. No, black knight is only if you're on the list and we forget to do it during the show. Something like that, but not... It means we screwed up. Yeah, but we don't do the accounting. Right, if you send us your accounting and then we give you the knighthood that you deserve, you're not a black knight. You're so harsh, John. Well, I'm just saying we have to have rules.

49:03 Because otherwise it demeans that was some of the real, you know big shots at the Dukes Yeah, they get pissed off and he wants to be the Baron. Well when you get to Baron knee hood, then you'll be the Baron Yeah, let's already had a nighting and you need a three I think to get Baron Anyway, Mark is in Dayton, Ohio and he says he's got his kind of says he wants a jingle. Okay? he says Hillary Delicious, which apparently is his favorite clip. He's asked for it before. Little girl yay, although it says DEA here or something. I can't really... Little girl yay Hillary, what difference does it make? So he's the Hillary Delicious, little girl yay, what difference does it make? You know that one, what difference does it make? Yeah, but I don't know if I have that one handy.

49:59 I don't think I have a compliment. I mentioned this to people if you have a complicated request Make sure to send it to Adam in advance. Yeah, because I just I get that note I don't read the notes until the show I mean, I know I have the Hillary somewhere But that was for a previous donation and it wasn't requested again And it's not easy and I feel bad that I wasn't ready for it. Well, we can play it later But give him the one that really makes him laugh, which is delicious. It's almost too delicious to believe my friend. Yay! There you go, I got those. Okay. We'll dig up the other one and evergreen it. What difference does it make? I can do it. What difference does it make? Line of the day from the chat room. John doesn't like black knights.

50:49 Karsten Ove Schwarz Nielsen in Denmark. Hi Angie and Jochem. Jochem. Jochem. I have to support you during this fake giving. With this 5x69x69 donation at $348.45, I should become a knight and you can call me Sir Schwartz. Sir Schwartze? Schwartz. It says Schwartz. But Schwartz would be one way of saying it. I can only thank you from the depths of my rebellious soul. I've always found the stuff in the media nagging my mind like a splinter of decaying phoniness. You guys are stellar in proving that I was right!

51:33 Keep it coming. Although I'm sometimes a little behind in listening to the episodes, I'm always ahead when discussing the so-called news from the compromised media with friends and acquaintances. Sir Schwartz of the Gitmo Nation, Mermaid. Well, thank you very much, and we shall of course put you in the line if you're in the lineup for knighting, to become Sir Schwartz. Looking forward to it. And we got James Francis, Francis, Francis James McClure, who sends in a note. From Texas. In honor of my son's 29th birthday, I'm making the donation at 33333 in his name. His birthday is on the November 29th. This will be the third time James has been an executive producer, so with this donation it becomes a night. He lives in Austin and we met Adam in the Hot Pockets tour. That's right. My 65th birthday is November 30th, so this will be a big birthday weekend.

52:22 We really enjoy no agenda and are happy to support the work you do." And then he has a PS saying he's looking forward to the chili recipe and he mentions that his wife and many other Texans that he knows think beans do not belong in chili. And in chili competitions nowadays, even though the one I won, this rule did not apply, it's just beef. No beans. There's no beans. with the text I have a confession I have a confession to make beans are a filler what I made your recipe yeah and um and and I ran it was it was and I put beans in it and it was a bean you're supposed to put beans in it I'm saying that this had beans in it so it's not like I omitted them there's just an aside I made the recipe and

53:19 Decided I would watch a movie which I I watched lots of movies with Mickey, but never like stuff like Pacific Rim So I had a bowl and I'm watching on the couch and I'm watching Pacific Rim and You know and I'm like can totally engross this movie go back in the kitchen and get something to drink and I'd left the gas on You burn burn to a crisp It was completely I heard like You know that sound? Oh crap, the gas is still on. So I can't prove how good it was to anybody. You didn't have a bowl? Yeah, I had the bowl on the couch and then the rest got... Oh, the empty bowl on the couch. I was eating a bowl, but the pan with everything still in, I made a big batch. It burnt to a crisp. Oh, well that's a fascinating story.

54:12 He puts mushrooms in his chili, which I would not recommend with this dish. By the way, mushrooms provide natural... naturally occurring MSG, which helps with the mouthfeel. Okay, I guess that was... Well, that was interesting. That wasn't interesting at all. Anyway, so Jamie, so, uh, Jace. I'm sorry, you bring up your damn chili and it's interesting, I say I burnt the recipe and it's not interesting. Exactly. Because you didn't have any feedback on the relative quality of the chili recipe. Onward. Onward to Dennis Del Pra in Littleton, Colorado, 222-22. He says, as we ponder all these things which we should be thankful for this season, let me suggest a few candidates. Cranberry flavored Jell-O.

55:02 functioning ballpoint pens and the French. Yes, the French, for it is so easy to blame them for everything we dislike. Yeah, I agree. Enclose a torrent of twos. I like that. That's nice. Torrent of twos. I like that. Is that for making it rain or is that just in general? Well, he didn't say anything about making it rain, thank goodness. Keep the collector's bill at bay and fine writing is for me. Send me a ballpoint pen for the junkyard. How about a double shot of karma for our men and women? The armed forces are true heroes. Thank you for your courage. All right, well here you go. You've got karma. It's a double shot. And so that is our executive and associate executive producers for a show

55:50 570 we of course it's a nobody's listening to this show today and hopefully they'll catch up to it and maybe contribute a little more on Thursday which we show 571 and you go to Dvorak.org slash NA channel Dvorak.com slash NA no agenda show.com and the no agenda nation.com there's buttons there you can click on oops sorry to help us. I must say though that Pacific Rim movie is very much, it's wondrous and it didn't do much better than it did. JC Buzzkill Jr. feels the same way. They went to see it at the theaters at a big screen and said that if you understood that it was just a mindless really well done action movie, it should have done really well at the box office. But Hollywood is the one who gave up on it. They said screw it, we're going to lose our ass on this, put no money in the marketing, let's just skip it.

57:07 I also watched the confessions of a dangerous mind upon your recommendation and I'm thinking it's total bullcrap This this guy and the movie is kind of so and you're right George Clooney produced I think he directed he's also in it as they're like the CIA handler and If this was you know, the movie says this is based on hundreds of interviews and they get like Dick Clark in there and stuff and And his personal journal and it's bullcrap. You know the stories the way they go down bullcrap It's just bullcrap. This is a guy and he's still alive this Chuck Beres Yeah, he's just fantasizing. He's just making us trying to make us like guys insane I think he was insane. He was no CIA hitman Bullcrap it was which made the movie a little disappointing because you know I was like oh really

58:00 I thought the movie was more of a comedy and I liked the Clooney character. Clooney always plays one of these guys because he's around him so much. So you didn't think it was even worth watching? No, I would not recommend it. From a historical television producer standpoint, it's interesting. You know, if that's kind of how the, you know, that feels kind of real how the shows get on the air and how it came to be and you know the boardroom and all that and it's nice to see the original concept. You know what was interesting in that movie to me, and I think this had to do with Clooney and an homage to Hollywood, and I never noticed this before, but they have a silhouette shot of Drew Barrymore coming to the door. Yes. And it is the silhouette of the Barrymore family.

58:50 It's funny you say that that's at the opening of the movie. Yeah, yeah, and and and it's stunning I agree. It's like holy shit. I had no idea She looks like John Barrymore and all these other Barrymore's big chin and all the rest of it. Yeah, she does Yeah, but it's great. She's I mean she's she's fantastic. She's sexy true Barrymore. It's just outrageously sexy you don't think so yeah, no I really admire her yeah, I All right. Good news that we're not getting much of. We get a little bit. There's a story in the New York Times about this. But it's generally I think we're trying to avoid. I'm looking at the MSN homepage right now and they're talking about the Broncos busting Kansas City and John Stamos and healthy size. Where's the thing about the Chinese moonshot coming up on Monday? Oh man, you took my clip.

59:52 China's on the moon! China will begin its mission to land on the moon on Monday. The Chang'e 3 lunar probe will be launched at 1.30am local time from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center. The rocket system has functioned perfectly in all four general inspections. Everything matches perfectly with the launch requirements. Also, the weather has been really good in Xichang. Tomorrow we will enter the injection stage, which indicates the official start of the launch procedure.

1:00:28 If it's successful, the mission will be the first time any country has landed on the moon for nearly 40 years. It will also be China's first soft landing on any extraterrestrial surface. The mission will see an astronomical telescope installed on the moon, the first ever in the history of lunar exploration. An extreme ultraviolet camera on the lander is designed to map environmental changes on the Earth. What newscast was that from? That was from CCT, that was from China. China, let's listen to the American version. Something rather different, final. Sorry, the British version. Preparations are underway for China's first attempt to land a spacecraft on the moon. Liftoff is expected in the next few days. If successful, it would be the first moon landing in more than 40 years. China says it wants to conduct research and prepare the way for manned missions.

1:01:17 The prize would be to find a way to exploit the moon's natural resources. It's so amazing that it took China 40 years and they still can't get a guy up there. Because it was so easy 40 years ago through the Van Allen belts and everything is just so easy. She is very healthy Yeah, of course most of those guys lived a long life. So maybe a little radiation is not that bad for you Well, which by the way is true. Yeah, and I'm thinking they you know, they they need to put those new studios in China to good use So it's about time to fake it. I think anyway, there's a triple play This is the only other clip I have of this Which is what exactly they are doing with these probes and... I know what they're really doing. I think that Britt's got it right. They're looking for maybe if there's enough platinum up there, they can somehow ship some of it back. What, we don't know this already? We gave up when we landed there all those times?

1:02:10 We don't really... Thank you. The Chang'e 3 mission will achieve three firsts. Number one, space observation from the moon. This is the dream of many astronomers because atmosphere, wind, snow and pollution don't obstruct visibility as they do on Earth. Number two, we have an ultraviolet camera on the lander to monitor the Earth. This camera is different from the one used by America's Apollo 16. Ours can see the formation of the Earth's plasma sphere and its density change. It's better than a satellite, which can only record data section by section as it orbits around the Earth. On the Moon, it can observe half of Earth at a time without moving.

1:02:57 This is something people have always wanted to do. Number three, we will be the first to learn the structure and layers of the moon 100 meters below its surface with radars installed at the bottom of the rover. As the rover drives on the lunar surface, it will be as if it can cut and see what's 100 meters below. These three highlights are what no other countries have done so far. Well, I'm sad that they're not putting a dude up there. I'm ready for that. Yeah, they probably will. I'm ready for it. They've got plenty of dudes to put up there. I'm still skeptical. There's nothing up there. They went up there. There's nothing up there. They took some rocks back.

1:03:47 And that's that. And the Chinese apparently got one gram. According to this, I forgot who it was, one of the presidents gifted China with one gram of moon rocks which apparently they studied to death. And I don't know if they found anything worth going back for. Things do change. It's funny you always say that, oh you know, this never happened. But then you make the claim on one show, I don't remember the exact number, that there are Israeli moon colonies. No, first of all I've never said Israeli. Second, I've never said colonies. I said space elevator and moon bases. It's very different.

1:04:28 Okay, moon base But I'm I'm curious to see how they how they how this will be portrayed how it's gonna be downplayed in our media I can guarantee it they won't show them when we shot our ever actually so essentially they're dumb they're just dumb because we know there's nothing up there we haven't landed there in 40 years because there's nothing nothing at all nothing and now they're going back so they're dumb okay is that what I'm supposed to believe angle I'm supposed to believe that they're dumb

1:05:05 Well? I'm asking. I don't know whether you're supposed to believe it or not, but I think it could be sold. I wouldn't even take it. Here's my approach if I was doing the counter public relations on it. It would be the Chinese are just trying to make it appear, you know, that they're just trying to catch up to the Russians and the Americans. We've long since given up on this crap. And we actually have little vehicles on Mars, which is a planet that's way out there. It's nowhere near the moon. And it goes around and around. It's one state. Oh, it's New Mexico. What are you talking about? It's one state over not that far and it's we've gone to all that direction And so that these Chinese are just way behind and it's just a way to it'll be used to demean them Meanwhile, I'm listening to Van Cat

1:05:52 And they're talking about one thing or another and they start talking about Africa and the Central African Republic, which looks like the next hot spot where there's going to be some sort of... Yes. Rwanda. C-A-R. You have to say C-A-R to be official. C-A-R. C-A-R, yeah. And so this is one guy, this guy from the Atlantic group who's on the, they have this little panel discussion on VanCat at the end of the news segment. It's actually kind of interesting. But this guy goes off on on the way we look at China and the way the Chinese look at China I think and he's got a little thing at the end which I don't quite get and I want you to analyze it but listen to this China's in Africa perspective which is pretty much our thinking to a point. To have a new basis there? Why should I mean it's it's very easy for them to to come to this state and work from there so obviously France has an interest. I think

1:06:52 the French are feeling embarrassed that they've really lost their foothold in Africa. It's a slap in the face of national pride. If you look at today, right now, what happened today, what was the most important thing that happened today in Africa? It took place in Kenya, where they inaugurated a, I believe it was in the neighborhood of a 14 billion dollar rail line linking East Africa through Kenya, all funded by the Chinese. This is a huge deal. In the old days, you would have seen the president of France down there. In charge of this, it would have been a French operation. This was a Chinese operation.

1:07:41 And the future of Africa is in the hands of the Chinese. And what's going on now is that the Western powers, France specifically here, are, I think, trying to be a little bit too old colonial for their own good. But again, as we were saying earlier, countries like France are haunted by the way they've, by inaction in the past. Get over it. Get over it. It's a brave new world the old we're talking about real people being killed here in the Central African Republic And I'm talking about real politic in the 21st century yes, you're right, but do we see again? Do we see the mass protests in the streets?

1:08:25 Saying that we have to do something for these people in Central Africa. Did we see this going on in Darfur? Did we see it go out in Somalia? No, you know we we did not humanitarian interventions are not popular among nation states unless economic interests are are at stake. And that's a real politique reality that a lot of conservatives and liberals have a hard time swallowing, but it doesn't make it any less true. Right, well the elites have no problem swallowing that because they go out there and kill everybody and bomb the whole deal. Drone them. Hey, you know, but some news came out today which kind of fits into that.

1:09:10 that the Eastern African states are going to create a monetary union. This is Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi are going to have a common market and a single monetary unit. They're talking about the African Euro. They're talking about doing that so this is the the EAC the East African community So it's it's part of you know obviously Kenya has to be a part of that this has to be a Chinese initiative Well, I I know what I know what they should do Bitcoin I Need to go to Bitcoin time for another installment of Bitcoin bonanza with Adam Curry and John C. Devorah Peter Teal

1:10:04 Satoshi Nakamoto, Cody Wilson, and special guests. If only we had the money to do a game show. Isn't that great? That's good, that's very good. He should have left Taylor Swift out. And Elon Musk. I was actually thinking if Elon Musk is smart, he'd start accepting bitcoins for that battery car of his. Yeah. I'm calling, he should do that. He should do that.

1:10:40 He knows it's a scam and it's risky. Anyway, so I think you're right. I think this has China's written all over it and they're of course going to underwrite this new currency. They're talking about 10 years. It definitely takes 10 years to do something like this. Yeah, they don't. They're sick of us pushing everybody around with our euro dollars. But the question is... Wait a minute. Did you ever hear about this $14 billion rail line? No, I never heard of that at all. Of course. So the Chinese put this rail line in that's essentially hooking the countries up that you mentioned. Yeah, into the Union, yep. And now they're gonna do a thing. These guys are really outplaying us big time. And this is why I always get so mad because when we think of Africa here, it's all these little piddly NGOs, non-profit 5013c corps who are bringing books to the poor children in Kenya. Don't kid yourself. These people are gonna own us.

1:11:39 They probably already do. These countries are, yeah, sure there's poverty, but it's not like we don't have poverty. Crikey almighty, we got some poverty in this country. It's just, you know, it's got old Nikes on, you know, so it doesn't look all that bad. You know, you don't have flies on your face. But these countries... Which brings me to another series of clips, but continue. Well, it actually brought me to an email About San Francisco if we can just or do you need to stay on Africa? No, I think we're done with Africa I just wanted to get this a point over so everybody You know knows that we're still looking at this and this is getting worse by the minute Yeah, and and but we're being fooled. We're helpless and we're being fooled into thinking that you know Africa's helpless with exactly the other way around in fact They're so they're so they're walking out on climate conferences because we're not paying them. That's what's going on. I

1:12:38 Yeah, I got a rant from Nick about Silicon Valley because we were talking about Victor rat not Nick no producer Nick. I don't know if no because he works at a company He doesn't want me to give you his last name. Okay, and this is about the the arrogant Silicon Valley types in San Francisco and the rents and all the way we were kind of bitching about that and he has a counterpoint which I think we should share and Which which goes to this point of poverty in America Adam and John just catching up on Thursday show I work for a startup in Silicon Valley Willie's points were kind of bogative He completely ignores that this the fact that the city doesn't give a flying fuck about the homeless and crime as long as it's not happening in Soma or the tenderloin and not in North Beach or Knob Hill where he lives I have to agree right there

1:13:29 When we really got things rolling about seven months ago, someone from the city came down to waste our time. I think it was the city manager. He came in under the guise of hoping to help us and in return help them. Nothing ever came of it, of course. And again, I'll agree. I've seen those guys at the company in San Francisco. Just wasting time. They kind of came in, acted like a big deal, talked a big game and left. No doubt they'll be walking around going, oh yeah, I've met those guys. Great stuff. Yep. Yeah. Want to buy a seat at my dinner? They don't help out with the homeless problem. They don't discourage the crime. They're bent on making it more and more difficult to run a small business there. Startups have been doing their damnest to clean up south of market, Soma.

1:14:10 But it's a fucking hellhole. Before the startups, it was 100% warehouses, crime, homelessness, and auto body chop shops. Now it's just startups, crime, and homelessness. We support the local restaurants because, well, we need to eat. New ones keep popping up, which is good, and the chop shops are turning into maker spaces. These are all good things. That said, the city seems to think it's a startup's job to clean up the streets. You know why people at Zynga and Square don't walk down the street? Because it's fucking dangerous, that's why. Would you feel safe walking down a street full of crackheads and mentally ill? This by the way is true. Our employees that routinely are- that are routinely approached for sex by meth addicts on their way home from work. The homeless problem is massive. The place where I park every day has about 30 to 40 homeless that live in a mix of tents, makeshift tents, cars, and non-operating mobile homes.

1:14:59 At our office there's a homeless guy that routinely sleeps in front of our door and shits on our sidewalk. It pisses off our investors like you wouldn't believe. At 9am everyday he's out there sitting in a fold-up chair watching people step in his crap while he drinks a 4 Loco and pisses it on our building. When I leave every day, there's a line all the way down the sidewalk on 5th Street for the shelter slash soup kitchen. When I say line, I mean mob of people, some of which just kind of stand in traffic and shout profanities at cars. That used to be my job. There's no parking in the city, which means pretty much everyone wants to live in the city, which keeps driving up the rent. This is your problem, John. When the city discovers a street without meters on it, they stick meters on it about $27 a day on average to park in San Francisco. If there's a Giants game or anything else that's going on, it's $6.75 an hour.

1:15:47 They use parking meters that change the price hourly. Yes, they do that. I want to mention that that is absolutely true. They put all these electronic parking meters in and the price changes. If there's actually some reason to park, it goes up. Pre-paying for meters is a nightmare because of the variable rates. Oh, and a parking ticket, which you will get, is $85.00. Didn't turn your tires towards the curb? 56 bucks. And they're complete Nazis about it. So how bad are rents? $3,000 a month for a one-bedroom in Nob Hill. Even worse in North Beach, South Beach, most people choose to live in Mission Soma Dogpatch, where break-ins happen all the time. You can't go out at night, and smashing grabs are common. When someone broke into our office, which is right across the street from a massive police station, it took police 20 minutes to get there. When we asked why it took so long to get across the street, they said, oh, that's just highway patrol. They don't do anything but write tickets.

1:16:39 The only thing keeping startups in the city is that employees want to live there. That's the only thing that's keeping tax revenue coming in. Oh, hiring locals? Like who? 90% of SF is people from other states and countries. Anyone left over is no good. Invalid is what we call them. When we do interviews, it's so hard to find people to work for you from SF. They're arrogant and no good at what they do. They're disposable employees and they jump from job to job every six months. End of rant. All right, hold on a second. Now I've been complaining about San Francisco being a hellhole, that people shouldn't go there and all this for years. And I complain about the parking and the ridiculous crap they put out there. I've always said San Francisco is unfriendly and a miserable place. Why? There's some undertone here that's trying to correct my thinking? No, you have a fan. What are you talking about? He's right on board with you.

1:17:38 It's a horrible place. Yeah, but he's saying this in response to Willie Brown and you know us saying that this or me maybe saying that the startups are arrogant and you know but yeah it you I guess in a way you have to admit they need to have these buses because it is it's like Escape from New York only at San Francisco it is it's a hellhole and I remember our office the media office that must have been broken into ten times Yeah, it was broken into at least once every quarter. Yeah, you're right, it's a hellhole. And now I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that. I remember that.

1:18:18 So, yeah. Well, the number of homeless in that area are pretty much, it's pretty minor. The homeless are really around Twitter and Facebook and on around Market Street and they're all over the place and there's encampments that are set up commonly where there's a whole bunch of tents and lean-to's. It looks like Brazil and there's just a lot of guys in there and I'm seeing this more and more in Austin now too, which is kind of freaking me out. This is all the liberals that, because in Oakland, They've roused, there's very few, even though Oakland is the most dangerous city in the country and it's people, you know, it's just dangerous. But they got rid of the homeless, they shipped them all to San Francisco. I don't think I've ever encountered a homeless guy in Oakland. This is what the FEMA council will be for. Yeah, it'll probably be okay.

1:19:10 Yeah, Region 9 camps for the homeless. San Francisco likes their homeless. I think they use it as leverage in some way to get more police services or, oh it's so dangerous out there you need to finance more police department, more in the police department. They encourage San Francisco, I totally believe this, they encourage the homeless for some reason and I think it has to do with... That's a pretty big statement. I'm convinced of it. I've always been convinced of it because they use it to get this the coffers They get more they can tax you more. Yeah, even more is it up to 12% now in California your state income tax? I don't know if that was passed. I know it's still 10. Maybe it is 12. That's state income tax on top of everything else. Yeah. Yeah, then you have city tax, right?

1:20:06 No, there's no city taxes. Oh, Los Angeles is still sending me things for city tax or whatever. Small business tax in Los Angeles, some kind of tax, some kind of income tax. Yeah. Or there's a city income tax in New York and that's really high. It's for doing business in the, in the city of Los Angeles. And of course I've moved out. That's just a licensing tax. Hmm. Fee well, they're pretty pretty damn persistent about you're not there. You're in you've been in Austin for years Yeah, they don't like that answer They don't like that at all well the US government does the same thing with people that move out of move out of the country yeah We you still owe us money. Don't get me started on that. There's a just staying in San Francisco that I was reading

1:20:55 What is this? This may be, I wonder if this came off of Hacker News or something, but there's, you know, the political correctness, the Marx, cultural Marxism is now bleeding into high tech, where we now have to change out of political correctness the term master and slave to client-server because of the Weight of the slave and master relationship. There's something you know somebody it was actually our one of our Producers you know who he is he's constantly writing he said there's a movement to makes this to ban the word use of this Ban the use of the yes, yes, yes, yes, and I said this is bullcrap in it, but Dan I

1:21:44 I started thinking about it and so in other words we call the public at large slaves and this doesn't seem to go over well with the government. So it'd be cool to just eliminate the word so it's like gay doesn't mean happy anymore. Right. Kind of thing. Let's just redefine things. And I was starting, I was thinking well I was kind of on the borderline until Friday. On Friday, the entire Democracy Now! show had no news whatsoever. There wasn't one item of news. The entire hour was devoted to a book on slavery in the 1700s and how it formed this enslavement. It was all about slavery. The whole hour, slavery, slavery. Like, this is not even... I was just befuddled by this. Interesting. And how bad it was because Harvard was formed on the basis of slavery.

1:22:39 Yale was a slave school It was just unbelievable in 1600 they're telling us stuff about the 1600s So there is something going on about the slave the term slave. Yeah, well it's the Drupal community is now apparently changing the concept of slaving a server to a master and to a client-server relationship because of the political correctness of not using the master-slave term. Yeah, the S word, it'll be pretty soon. Yeah. The S word, and it won't mean slave. Can't say it. And shit will be okay. You racist! What was that? I heard something the other day on NPR.

1:23:32 And yeah, I think it was a woman talking about something and she said, well, and then in this particular book it used the N-word a lot. And I'm like, should it be okay to say the word nigger if you're not talking to a, in a certain situation? If you're just, if you're referring to a word in a book, can't you use the word? I mean, we all know you're not being racist by saying the word. You know what I mean? That's really weird. Well, that's why they're pulling all the Mark Twain material. Oh, you know what they got to pull? They got to pull Tom Swift then as well. I once, you know Tom Swift, the books? Yeah, Tom Swift. Yeah, so I wanted to do an audio book because the early Tom Swift books are public domain. They're written at like turn of the century. Yeah, Tom Swift's been around forever. Yeah, Appleton, Victor Appleton wrote the original series, Tom Swift and His Flying Grandmother.

1:24:27 And I really wanted to do it, and I was reading the book and I'm recording it and then it's like, and here's Bubba and Bubba's like, hey Masa, you got that flying thing over there? And it's really written in the slave type language of the day. So you might as well burn those books. You got to get rid of them because it's racist. Well, Huckleberry Finn would be the same thing. Which I read as a kid and I love those books and I felt it really gave me a good perspective, if anything. Because of course Huckleberry Finn and you know and what was the slave that was on it? No, no, no. Huckleberry Finn,

1:25:06 You had the black guy on the raft. This is going bad. I forget his name. Jim, maybe? Yeah, Jim. And you know, they were friends, you know, they were buddies and it was a real deep bonding thing. And that was a beautiful book to read. I always felt it was really enlightening. But yeah, I wouldn't surprise me if because of the language used those books will be banned or altered or updated. Well, they're already been banned in most places. Banned? Really, John? Banned? Yeah, banned, banned. You can't buy Huckleberry Finn? No, where it was once in a curriculum of American literature, it's now out. And it's so important to have that. Well, you know. All right, well now that we're a curriculum, we might as well do a quick one. And by the way, a lot of people are very upset when I said that we probably would not do a lot of Common Core. I didn't say that. I said we're not going to do the same thing over and over again.

1:26:01 And people are really upset. Oh, you need to stay on this and meh. You are staying on it. What are they talking about? What did you say? I said we're not going to keep reading out the same things if there's something new. Oh no, you were complaining about the email. Yeah, well. So here I remember this you what you said was that I'm not gonna read everybody's email who comes in bitching about Common Core and I said people took that to me we're not talking about it anymore I said that in exactly that annoying voice it's it's just uncanny how you how you are able to do that yeah so two things I want to say I'm a good mimic let's put it that way one I want I do want to read a quick email and then I I have a actually a revelation for me

1:26:43 So here's to Patrick, my 13-year-old daughter and I want to thank you for your courage and coverage of Common Core in episode 568. It was very educational to her and was also a wonderful bonding experience for us both. She was quicker than I and nearly as quick as John to pick up on each of your points. I was very proud of her. She went to her favorite teacher the next day and he already was aware of the would-be fiasco. He seemed impressed that she understood the scam. Thankfully she goes to a good private school and they are already on our side. I'm sorry, not a donation attached to this email, we're just getting by. Really? Sending your kid to private school? You don't have five bucks? All right. I like the way you turn this little note around. I just realized that. I just realized. I was like, I just realized. That sucks. Can't get a $5 a month subscription? I mean, come on. And then there was a link and I finally figured out the... So here's the term, compensation mathematics.

1:27:39 This is a common core term, compensation mathematics. And I finally figured out what they're doing and we can probably dissect why they're doing it. So here's how, here's the sum and how they want children to approach it. So, and this is a textbook from Common Core. Use compensation, so this is the, this is, we got to write this down John, compensation mathematics. Use compensation to find the answer to 3 times 18. Now do you know, what is 3 times 18? Can you do this in your head, John? Yes, 3 times 24, 54. Okay.

1:28:19 How did you do that? How did you get to this number? I multiplied 3 times 8, which is 24, then I carried the 2 and added it to 3 because it was a 1, and 3 plus 1 is 5. Right, so that's how I was taught as well, which is... and that's why you... the only thing you have to know is the multiplication tables are drilled into your head, so you can snap off that answer. There's only 9. Yeah, there's not that much to it. Right? It's a very simple way of approaching it. So no. The way the Common Core with compensation mathematics wants you to do it is substitute a number for 18 that is easy to multiply. Because of course you're dumb. So they suggest, why don't you take 20? So they say 3 times 20 is 60. Now you're left with three groups of 2. That is 6, so you have to subtract 6 from the 60 to arrive at 54. That's harder! Yeah! Thank you!

1:29:17 It makes no sense. I mean, yeah, maybe because it's three times 20, 60, because it's a long multiplication table. It seems like they don't want kids to go over, you know, 20 or 2, the tables of 2. Yeah, no, to go that route when you can just remember that you can remember the multiplications tables three times eight, you'd have to remember, you know, two times two, three times two. I mean, it's not that hard. It's like in fourth, that's all third and fourth grade. You generally have the multiplication table drummed into you. You have a year to learn it. It's not like, oh my God.

1:29:59 It's a you have a year to learn you know everything from 1 times 1 to 12 times 12 because that's kind of where they stop it usually not even 144 by the way yes we don't and so that you know you learn that it would take I don't know 60 days at the most 30 days a week Whatever it takes you didn't you have flashcards you should use flashcards. You just do it with your prepare What is this? Oh, yes, and so you go through that and you got it now you can do three times 18 rather easily and quickly in your head you can come up with the answer almost instantly, but this other approach And one thing I would here's what my I was looking at the other portion. Here's the first thing I said to myself I said three times 20 is 60. There's two differences. I just subtract two the answer is 58 Wow because the difference between 18 and 20 is two I know that and three times 20 is 60 and but I changed it to 20 from 18 That's two. So the answer is 58. I'm telling you this is the kind of

1:30:58 problem you have with this complexity. So here, and I'm looking at the two pages from this textbook. So the first one says using mental math to multiply and then it gives you this this problem in the equation and here's the it says with compensation you choose numbers close to the numbers in the problem to make the computation easier and then adjust the answer for the numbers chosen. Wow, this seems like government, doesn't it? Like, let's guesstimate and then when we get the wrong answer, we'll adjust it later. This is very, very strange. It's actually disturbing. Yeah, but it seems to me... It's inviting errors. It's inviting? Like the one you just... the error you explained where you came up with 58, but also

1:31:54 It seems like it's pushing people towards not learning more multiplication tables than two, because you're doing three times two, zero. Three times 20 is 60. And you're doing three times the twos that are left over, which is six. And then you're subtracting. And so it really feels like we're so dumb, we can't let you do anything harder than, you know, you can't remember more than the multiplication table of two, so we'll have you solve it this way. It's very, very, very strange. That is weird. What happens when it's four times 18? Think of the complexity to get to the... No one ever orders 18 Big Macs.

1:32:49 It's not gonna be a problem. Don't you see? It's never gonna happen. Ever. Well, this is very stupid. It reminds me of people who always refer to when you talk about it with somebody's not listening to the show where we've actually broke it down quite a bit. Oh, it sounds like new math! No, it's not. I remember new math. I can't quite remember all of it, but it was something, it was similarly stupid. I remember new, I think I just kind of went past the new math. What the hell was new? New math was another attempt at this. I think this has been going on for a while. This common core thing is not new.

1:33:29 Buskill Jr. blames the whole thing on Dewey. The Dewey Decimal System? Dewey, the guy who did the Dewey Decimal System. But he was an educator and he had all these crazy things about creating citizens. New Math was a brief, dynamic change in the way mathematics was taught in American grade schools and to a lesser extent in European countries during the 1960s. The name was commonly given to a set of teaching practices introduced in the US shortly after the Sputnik crisis in order to boost science education and mathematical skill in the population, so that the perceived intellectual threat of Soviet engineers, reputedly high-skilled mathematicians, could be met. Oh, just replace Russia with China in this and you have the exact same thing. This is a fractal, John, of the new math.

1:34:17 Yeah, I think it is. It's a fractal. Mathematicians describe interesting objects, set builder notation, okay, binary numbers, duo decimals. Oh my god. Now the problem of course is that we have a lot of this common core is going to carry over to college And a lot of people are just not going to be able to get into college because they didn't have the common core background education in the dumbed down system. And it is dumbed down. I just can't see it any other way. Make it up, kind of get there, compensate later. Wow, sounds like healthcare.gov, doesn't it? Oh, which reminds me, now that you mention it, I guess it's running like a champ now. It's just buzzing along because it was guaranteed, according to Obama, to be fixed today.

1:35:08 The first of the by the end of November is going to be running great. Is there how is it doing? I know I don't care. I really shut it down. I really don't care. It's it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter. It's failed. The whole thing is failed. It's not going to work. It's just not going to work. Well, it should be fun. Maybe we'll get to it tonight. We'll get to talk about it. Yeah, I should bring it up now. They're going to bring up 23 and me, which I'm going to take a totally different tact on now. Oh, OK, tell me. Well, so I've learned actually, you know, as you know from Thursday, I went really deep on this stuff and I've learned a lot. And really, the

1:35:45 The main thing I've learned is that DNA analysis to date is really not helpful in finding diseases or helping you cure diseases. It's great if you want to know how much Neanderthal you are, or how much African you are, or if you're related to somebody. Yeah, that makes sense. But it hasn't really done very well in truly predicting diseases. And well tell that to Angelina Jolie. Well, she's part of the system Didn't get she's part of this this whole movement, but here's what I'm going to say We already made having a company like 20. I'm forming it in my head here. So help me allowing a company like 23andme

1:36:32 to quote-unquote democratize your health and your DNA is like we allow Twitter and Facebook to democratize freedom of speech. You know, there are open source databases, open source programs. The testing is one thing, and they don't even do the testing, they outsource it. So I'd like to know where can you test it? And it's fun, it's fun to run it through Promethean, Prometheus I think it's called, Promethease. which is open source and you can you run it and you can run against the same database. In fact one guy, one of our producers, he thanked me for mentioning that. He says 23andMe, I took the raw data that I got from them and ran it through Promethease

1:37:14 23andme never told me I have a higher risk than the average population of getting coronary heart disease, whereas Prometheus had it at the top of the page. Many of the men on my mother's side died in their 50s from heart disease. Prometheus also said I have a higher risk factor for alcoholic liver disease and increased liver fat. Interestingly enough, several people on both sides of my family have died from alcoholism. Prometheus also said I have a higher risk from celiac disease which I did not see in the 23andMe report. Both reports mentioned I have an above average risk for glaucoma which two of my aunts have. So it may even be that you know the false negatives that you get from the Twitter of DNA, which is what I'm calling them now, are more dangerous than the false positives. But in general I like the open source route. I don't think we should give up

1:38:02 DNA to some Google related company. It's just not smart. Learn from what's happened. You know, Google Gmail is not great. It's just not. You may think it's great still but it's not. You know, Twitter is not great. You know, it's great until they close you down. Facebook is not great when they don't show you your friend's timeline. These are not great things. Do we need to decentralize everything including the DNA stuff? So that's where I'm taking it I think you know you if you threw that exactly what you said right there in that little one minute Which I'll never get back that little one minute At the dinner party you would stop the show you'd probably get a standing. Oh, I'm gonna try it I'm going to try it. It starts at 630 so I'll still be but you guys think I think you're right on to a

1:38:55 It's not, I don't think, a complete answer to what you really want to do, which is to get everyone all worked up. I think it's a great, great little commentary that you could drop like a bomb in there and it would shut everybody up. Because you're, from that little soliloquy, that Means you've actually thought about this. I guarantee nobody there's thought about it. They're all at the one layer deep Oh, you know they there's the government shutting them down and it's a bunch of conservatives The Republicans are the gay Republicans are behind yeah exactly

1:39:31 No, I didn't want to say anything really. I'm so tired of it. But no, but this is a good speech and it's short and sweet. It's also the way I really feel it and it took me it took all of this for me to realize what my real aggression was towards this company. And I'm like, of course, it makes so much sense because all they're trying to do is gather a lot of data to perhaps one day be able to supply some kind of analysis, but they're taking your shit. It's like you're once again, you're not getting the benefit, you're giving it to them and you're paying them 99 bucks. Yeah, this is the way things go. Yeah, and have we not learned? You're being exploited. I mean, this is like these systems that are just, they just exploit the users.

1:40:20 Yes, it's and and I'm tired and they had they've raised a hundred million dollars. It's not a fly-by-night operation. No. And of course they must be subsidizing the test because the tests, look, if there's a real market for this, the price will come down for just testing it. Right now the tests are expensive. Four or $5,000. And the price will come down if there's a real market for it. It's actually a good deal for 99 bucks to get the test done. It's a great deal and I actually am considering doing it because now that I know that the SNPedia, which is where they get their information from too,

1:40:58 is open source and available that yeah it's interesting to look at that. Sure I don't mind looking at but I think we should be very very careful and learn our lessons about giving up our technology and let's just call this technology to a-holes in Silicon Valley. Backslash rant. Okay I think you made your point. Thank you very much. And I have nothing to add. You're fine. I'm looking forward to the results of this next dinner. Why are you doing it on Sunday? You said you did these things on Saturday night. It's first, I don't know, it's no, no, no. It's first of the month and I don't know. Oh, there's like some coded, you know, like holiday, like manufactured schedule. It's hard to, unfortunately the guy who, did I tell you this? That the guy who was there last time, the extra guy, he turns out that he's a, uh,

1:41:59 He's a top guy for Hill and Knowlton. Yeah, he's there to check you out. Yeah, but I didn't realize this. Of course not, he's a spy. Well, he's not able to make tonight's dinner, unfortunately. He figured you're just a crackpot. Yeah, but I said, you know, it could come to that. Your dossier's closed. Nothing to see here. Slap the sly, it went into the big filing cabinet. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Hey, Glenn Greenwald was on the BBC's Hard Talk. Did you see this interview? No, I wish I had. Yeah, I pulled a couple clips. I thought it was interesting in two regards. One, whenever I see people online going, Glenn Greenwald totally schooled that motherfucker. I'm like, okay, let's see how bad he schooled him. You know, it's like mainstream sucks. I'm like, all right.

1:42:55 Actually I found it to be quite... This is a different guy. Yeah, it's the... This is the profane, low-class idiot that thinks everything is... The internet guy. Yeah, the Glenn Greenwald school him! And well, what I liked about this is the guy on Hard Talk, which is some BBC news evening show, and Glenn's on from Buenos Aires, again on one of those... Skype has less... He's in Rio, isn't he? I think he was in Buenos Aires, I think. No, I mean... Oh, he was in Buenos Aires for some reason? For the interview. Maybe I'm just remembering that wrong. Okay, whatever. It doesn't make any difference. Why doesn't he just go to England and sit there with the guy? Well, duh. Part of that is in this.

1:43:40 And I'm just gonna say that Skype, if you did the interview on Skype, you'd have less delay than whatever satellite system the BBC is using. Man, it's really annoying because you know whenever Greenwald gets excited he's responding three seconds later to when the guy tried to interrupt and he goes... And it's really, the cadence is weird. So the question of course that we also asked is who really owns this information that I submit was taken from Edward Snowden and subsequently Edward Snowden is no longer necessary and he's now just a brand as in the documents from Edward Snowden but the guy is like here you know enjoy Moscow so who owns it? You've already published. So long sucker. Exactly.

1:44:31 You've only published a tiny fraction of the huge number of top-secret documents that you have in your possession. Question number one, who owns those documents intellectually right now? Who has ultimate control over them? You no longer work for the Guardian. Edward Snowden's stuck in Moscow and can't get out. So, who actually controls this, in your words, top secret information which has yet to be published? What would your answer be to that, John? Wow, so this guy of course is, you know, we're talking BBC, probably MI6.

1:45:08 And so he's asking specific questions. This is a good question. I think this is a very good. This is the question. I'm glad somebody finally is. This is a great question. I'm glad somebody finally asked it. My answer would be it's public domain. I, I, no, I, I, this is what I'd say. I believe at this point because this copies have been circulated, the New York Times has one, the Washington Post has one, the Guardian has one, I have one, I have, there's a couple copies out there. I am taking these documents and assuming that they are public domain until told otherwise. The journalist who he trusted. What?

1:45:52 They're mine! They're my documents! What? Nerve! Listen to the rest. As a source, just like is true in every single case. Well, myself, Laura Poitras, the New York Times has a large number of documents, The Guardian has a large number of documents, and the Washington Post does as well. So basically, the world's largest and most respected Western newspapers are in possession of a large number of these documents as well. Don't you love that? It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I'll just trust the news media. I'll just trust that the world's largest news organizations in this day and age no no I would like to see them myself thank you very much but we know Glenn owns them. Myself and Laura Poitras. Okay but myself and Laura Poitras he just did you hear him say that? I find that interesting the Laura Poitras aspect. Because she's the one that really made the contact. Yeah she's the one she's probably the one yeah there's something yeah yeah

1:46:51 Oh, yeah, believe me Laura Poitras is the one and she's the one Glenn is the face. Yeah She's this she is obviously a CIA stooge Or some maybe I believe in CIA because this everything looks like CIA to me from her perspective Well, yeah chaos. I think she's with chaos. I But you were the first he turned to. I don't know if I'm right in assuming that you have all of the documents and other people have some of the documents. I mean, tell me if that's true. Myself and Laura Poitras have the full set of documents and others have portions of them. You have the full... The portions he already sold. He sold those to them. You know he sold them. He sold them. ...set of documents. Do you believe you have the right

1:47:38 You no longer work for the Guardian. You are a freelance journalist. I know you're hooked up with some other people, but do you believe you and maybe Laura Poitras have the right to decide going forward what further to publish? What would your answer be to that, John? Well, if I was him, I'd say yes. We are working with the world's largest media outlets in making those choices. So even though I'm no longer at The Guardian, we have started our own media outlet that has some of the most experienced and respected national security editors and journalists in the world already working with our organization. When I report in foreign countries, as I did in the last two weeks in Norway and Holland, I... Okay, so just one, because I saw this thing.

1:48:24 NRC is the newspaper that hired him in Holland. So here's how it works. He'll go in in his little document database and we know that what the New York Times has is some very complicated thing where it's very hard to find anything. So we don't know if he's working off the same bundle of information or database. he'll find something regarding the Netherlands, which the story was about the NSA possibly not stopping spying in the Netherlands in 1960 or something. And I believe he calls up, you know, or he puts out to bid a story

1:49:00 And NRC, they're funded, they got money, they also have some government involvement, some subsidies. I think I could be wrong about that. That's just off the top of my head. And then he flies out, you know, they put him up, he works with their person and they take a document, they publish a page or two from the document without really any commentary because no one will comment. It's just, you know, they're just publishing slides. and then they'll make up a headline and oh this is what's going on and he sells that's his business model that's the business model and so he's gonna travel around the globe doing this and yeah I think you can rack up some some nice dough that way and you can keep it going for quite a while as we'll learn later in this interview. I work with some of the largest and most respected media establishments in those countries. How can he say that these big media establishments are respected?

1:49:51 it's perpendicular to what he's always stood for yes i agree i did i'm wondering if it was there is customers now that's why i i i thank you that's the true and have the same exact process and structure where i work with their editors and their lawyers and their journalists to make these decisions collaboratively so there's never been a single document that has been published because i myself have decided that we are because responsible journalist in a journalistic structure okay uh... Now this was, this is another part of the interview where, and he comes back to this a lot, about the safeguarding of the documents. And in essence, Glenn is saying that he is protecting the documents, which you can read one of multiple ways. Is he protecting it

1:50:41 for the CIA and the NSA or is he protecting against it? The way he answers it I think is open to interpretation. You control information which is of vital national security interest to hundreds and hundreds of millions of people who live in the United States, UK and other countries. Surely the wisest course of action for you as a human being, let alone a journalist, is to return that information whence it came. I love that term by the way. Return it whence it came.

1:51:16 Isn't that awesome? Return it from... it doesn't even say from. Return it whence it came. I think that's proper English too. Ah, probably. It's to return that information whence it came. You've looked at it, you've decided that the information you can't publish is so sensitive that it can never be published. So should you not get it out of your possession and return it whence it came? Return it whence it came! No, first of all, the people who can't be trusted to safeguard the security of that information are called the NSA and the GCHQ. They're the ones who are so reckless with the information that they put it on systems that are accessed by tens of thousands of people and lost control over the documents. That's very interesting he's saying that. Do you think it's possible that more people have taken that information from these servers? The chances that if tens of thousands of people

1:52:10 had access to them that more. Some rogue employees were checking up on their old girlfriends using this stuff, listening in on conversations. So yeah, I think there's probably a bunch of people who've collected chunks of it. Not necessarily the exact same chunk because it was probably collected. I think Snowden for example, and you've seen this on systems, I mean some people do it personally, you keep all your PowerPoints in one folder. And then that's the main folder that everyone dips into in a corporation. To create new PowerPoint, flower points. Right, so I've got to see where's that, let me grab the PowerPoint folder and see if there's anything in here I can use. Exactly. You take a slide from here and a slide from there and then you change the template so the slide all of a sudden they all look like you put it together as one slideshow.

1:53:04 And so I think Snowden for one thing saw that cache of PowerPoint. Cache, cache as they say. He took the cache and grabbed the whole thing and then he probably saw some other folders of interest and so whatever he has. But I'm sure other guys have grabbed other stuff but they're a little more less likely to come out. They got a good job in an environment like this and let Snowden take the heat and well this is fine. You can always sell something in drips and drabs later. yeah it doesn't matter whereas we've maintained very tight control of the documents secondly i never said that all the documents in my possession that have any of them published are ones that shouldn't be published in fact there's a lot more reporting that i intend to do that other media outlets intend to do in publishing these documents that are a lot of these documents that are extremely newsworthy how much more? I don't have an exact count but i can tell you that if i had to guess we are still in the first part the first

1:54:00 half of the reporting the majority of reporting on these documents for sure is reporting that has yet to be done but that will be done. Okay there's a little information we didn't have. Yeah that's good one. In other words he's dribbling it out and of course the way it's I understand it it's pretty much all they can do. He spent the first you know the first quarter of it to reel in the big money to monetize this which is Omidar P.o. as we call him and I'm sorry he's not really doing journalism. I'm sorry. It's not he is publishing slides and and making Assumptions about what they mean he's not doesn't have sources a lot that I've seen that back it up the confirms No, so he's it's not really journalism. However should we expect

1:54:50 that you will use most of the material Edward Snowden gave you, ultimately? I'm going to use most of the material that's newsworthy. How much of that is part of the pile? I can't quantify for you right now. But like I said, there's a lot more reporting to do because we're not the kind of journalist who just go around repeating what the government says. No, you just go around publishing slides and saying this is the truth. And demanding that everyone accept it is true without evidence. We're the kind of journalist who believe that the way you hold power accountable is by reporting on what the truth actually is. And it's the documents that reveal that. Right. I'm just gonna have to disagree. I want I want to agree, but that's just bullshit

1:55:33 The documents do not hold any specific truth. I know that, but if you're publishing slide 56 from a deck... That's out of context. It's out of context and we need context. Context is everything. Context is the truth. This whole pile of crap needs to just go to WikiLeaks and be published as a giant chunk. If anything... Let the chips fall where they may. Yeah, you're gonna probably compromise. Look who... Talking about compromise, what's her name? Valerie Plam. was compromised by her own government and had to retire as a CIA field operative. So I mean, yeah, somebody's going to get busted and it's going to be, you know, they're going to have to quit the business. But give them fair warning. Probably if

1:56:17 Because you know, we know that the way this really works is they take a slide, they take a deck, they go to the authorities and say, what can we not publish? They say, don't publish this, redact that, which they do. And this is admitted, this is not like some stunning news. And then they publish, you know, and probably whatever is disadvantageous for whoever is saying it's okay to publish. If we really had all the documents, it probably would be much worse than it is now because what would fall out, I think, would be the blackmail, would be the industrial espionage. I think it would be much, much worse.

1:57:07 Truth or that's in Hollywood. Yeah, tell me about this because this you had this in the newsletter I hadn't heard there's a good well, there's not this pretty vague It's been it's I think in meta filter had some references to it Wow. You still use meta filter. Oh my god It's actually not both I get I haven't I get routed through meta filters from buzzkill jr. Is a wow I haven't used meta filter in years. You should look at it. It's actually kept up with stuff How do you and supposedly there's some guy that they've got the who's I guess There's some connection to this Truth or Hollywood star who apparently likes really some weird type of porno. I don't know if it's the SheMail stuff or the... That's not, hey, hey, that's not weird.

1:57:49 Are they any of this you know this kind of offbeat? Let's say I know how much this is important to you. Maybe it's about you Think about it. They're gonna be really disappointed I don't care what you think about me, but the point is is that this blackmail idea of is just obvious. I mean that's exactly what you'd use this for, to get to your political enemies and that again takes us back to the Holder clip where the senator asked him and you know under oath can this be used it for political advantage and he wouldn't answer the question. Yeah exactly. I have one more clip from Greenwald if you're interested it's a little long. I love listening to Greenwald. All right this is the last one we have here. He's asked a very specific question

1:58:40 about the possibility of foreign powers having this information that intelligence officers have said, well, hold on a second, this is really damaging, you know, because now I guess terrorists aren't using Skype, whatever. But he doesn't answer the question, which is interesting to me. uh... and i think that's probably his legal background uh... the speaking and he answers it in quite a different way which is not a bad i'm not told against what he's saying here it's just interesting doesn't answer the question you don't trust plainly don't trust all of the security chiefs who've lined up to say that what you've done that stories you've written have fundamentally undermined security and aided and abetted

1:59:24 terrorism. I'll just point you to the evidence of Oliver Robbins, the Deputy National Security Advisor for Intelligence in the UK Cabinet Office, who says, and he said this in written evidence in a court case, it is known that in the seized material is personal information that would allow intelligence staff to be identified, including those deployed overseas. He says the government has had to assume that copies of information held by Mr Snowden may now be held by one or more other states. You're saying he is not telling the truth? There was this thing called the Iraq war in which the US and the UK governments persuaded their media outlets and their populations to support an aggressive attack on another country by making one false claim after the next designed to scare the population into believing that there was a security threat that didn't actually exist, that they had to go to war in order to stop.

2:00:20 What journalism is about is it's based on the premise that when people like Mr. Robbins and others who exercise power in the dark make those kinds of claims to justify their own power, they're often lying. That's not what journalism is about, Glenn. But your point is valid, but that's not what journalism is about. Wait a minute, go back to that, because this is like one of those great sentences where you throw something in and you never talk about it. Can you just play that again? I want to hear it. I'll just go back a little bit more. Hold on a second. Oh yeah, no, he's not going to answer the question. The US and the UK governments persuaded their media outlets and their populations to support an aggressive attack on another country by making one false claim after the next designed to scare the population into believing that there was a security threat that didn't actually exist, that they had to go to war in order to stop.

2:01:13 What journalism is about is it's based on the premise that when people like Mr. Robbins and others who exercise power in the dark make those kinds of claims to justify their own power, they're often lying. That's what crackpottery is. That's nuts what he said. Yeah, that's what I do. What journalism is about, here let me do it. What journalism is about is when Mr. XYZ says something, he's lying. Generally. Generally. This is like one of those things that we found is these kind of crazy sentences where you say one thing... Performatives. Okay, well the way we're gonna solve that problem is and then you talk about you know the theater lines are too long and what we've got to do you know just... Performatives.

2:02:00 Yeah, it was even worse than that. It's just like a kind of a layered performative. In the dark make those kinds of claims to justify their own power. They're often lying. They often tell things to the population that turns out to be untrue and the job of a journalist is not to investigate other journalists who are investigating those powerful officials. I think sometimes that is the job of a journalist. I'm sorry. Sometimes, yes. Are you kidding me? Yeah, to try and be responsible when telling their viewers and readers what government officials are saying and then to assess whether there's evidence for it That's my role you are saying you don't have to rely on my statement. You are saying something so explosive I have to challenge it you're accusing the most senior intelligence officials on both sides of the Atlantic of routine and systematic lying What is your evidence you say look at the Iraq war? but what is your evidence that when people like the

2:02:57 head of GCHQ and the head of MI6 say that there is real evidence that since your revelations the sorts of communications conducted by terrorists has changed because they've adapted to what... Hold on, hold on, stop, stop. Now he should come back with where's their evidence and throw it back at the guy, does he? Yes, well this is, so it's funny you say that because that's exactly what I was expecting. That's exactly what I was expecting him to say. They've learned from you, where is your evidence those intelligence chiefs are lying. First of all, I think the Iraq war is a pretty significant example of the propensity of... If you want to scream at me and make all kinds of filibustering remarks, I can just disconnect and you can do that. But if you want... What a dick.

2:03:46 That's bad. That's really bad. Okay, well as a lawyer he usually he would he I don't know why he didn't have that rehearsed. Well let's listen to the rest. If you want to ask me a question you're going to give me time to actually answer it. The evidence that government officials lie is found in history. He's he's saying the he's very smart. The evidence that government officials lie, not the evidence in this case, but they lie. happens in countries where there's constitutional guarantees of a free press, which I know doesn't include the UK but includes most Western democracies. What you find is all sorts of people who have created those protections have done so based on their recognition that people in power, specifically national security officials, will routinely lie to their population.

2:04:38 The evidence that I have is that three Democratic senators just two weeks ago in the United States who are on the intelligence committee and have access to classified information came out and said that the claims of NSA officials and others that these programs have stopped terrorist plots is completely false, that there is no evidence for it. And he wins with that one because that's what we've uncovered as well. Not even uncovered, we just played C-SPAN. Yeah, there's nothing to uncover. It's there. It's fact. It's just there. They just played on C-span, huh? Well, he blew that one up. I think he had a better shot at calling the guy out for the claims of the GCHQ guys. They've changed our game plan thanks to these guys and there's no evidence of this at all. I totally agree. I totally agree. All right.

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2:07:09 Ladies and gentlemen, a big round of applause for Christina as she comes off the stage. Her hobbies include sap collecting and amateur forestry. So get your logs ready for Christina. Excellent. Well done. Well played, sir. I think I can get a job doing this. It's just a bunch of cute one-liners. Jason Doolin in Las Wages, Nevada. One, two, three, five, eight. And he has a donation letter. I sent you a copy of this. Yeah, do you want me to read it or? Yeah, because I don't have my email. That's why you sent it to me so you wouldn't have to like deal with it. Yes. In the morning, Curry and Dvorak, I'd like to thank you guys for an excellent show day in and day out. I work whatever the day is just like you guys. Listening to you guys while I work this last holiday was a true pleasure.

2:08:02 I have a few things here you might be interested in. Just like the blue dots, there are green dots. The green dots, if your jurisdiction uses them, should mark automatic gates. Usually you will find an egress into gated communities. These tell emergency vehicle operators where gates are. This matters because these gates have sensors to open for the emergency vehicle. I didn't know that. I have a 20-month-old daughter. My wife and I have been talking about educating our daughter. Your Common Core reporting has been appreciated. I certainly think you guys are right. Homeschooling is the only way. I have seen some of the John Gatto stuff. John Taylor Gatto. Here is another interesting person. Charlotte Iserbyt. Is that... Iserbyt? I-S-E-R-B-Y-T. Has the claim that the American education system is meant to dumb down our society.

2:08:48 Yeah, this is what I've read this. She was head of education under Reagan. She does have some other interesting claims that could be fun rabbit holes if you have the time. Yeah, no, I got the time of course. So that gives me some time codes and a very so just lots of other stuff. Next, oh, is it appropriate to call out a buddy's wife to the stage? I didn't think I will. I don't think I will this time around. Well, first of all, yes. I don't think so. You can call out a buddy's wife to the stage if you want to get bopped in the face. What do you mean? I just, I think it's inappropriate. Okay. The answer is no. This is not okay. So picky. Well thank you very much, uh, Jason.

2:09:34 for the 125 38 it's highly appreciated yeah i have these different we'll read notes a couple of notes that i i need to interject i need to interject for one second did you get uh some silver coins no not in the post box when did you last go uh yesterday really huh you got silver coins yeah and i'm pretty sure you got them too I didn't get any. It's from Dave Jones and he said here are five one-ounce, yeah believe me you got him because I know he asked if he should send yours to the children. Well I don't have them in the box yesterday. Well they will come. Here are five one-ounce silver coins I've picked up over the years that I thought you guys would get a kick out of. At the current silver spot price of $19.40 it should come out close to $100. The Bush and Cheney coins were from a limited run set called the Neo coins that was never finished.

2:10:23 If you read on the air, please tell any producers in Central Alabama I'd like to do a NOAAgenda meetup in Birmingham. If anyone's interested they can get my email from Adam and Dave Jones and I have been working together for many many years on the Freedom Controller software project. So I'm surprised. I think you should be getting these as well. These are pneumastically... pneumonistically? Pneumonistic, I think. Well, they're pneumonistically sealed and they are indeed silver coins and one of them is George W. Bush. which is the beautiful coins then one is Lakota which is the Indian dude and one of them is Liberty and then one of his John Galt oh god but here's the coolest and I showed this coin to Mickey and she went oh my god it's John on a coin it's actually Dick Cheney and it's funny if you look at Dick Cheney yeah yeah did you know that with the glasses that

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2:19:32 No, I mean it's like I still think pins are a better idea, but everyone seems to like these rings me I didn't get I wasn't in the memo when this was discussed, but okay. Hey, you know what everyone likes them our our knights like them That's for sure and that's all that counts I like the guys who use the ring and they actually use the wax and when they send a letter in they stamp it with the ring and they seal it I like that. It's very cool. Look. It's awesome. It's fantastic. Oh, you should do that with all your bills Buy a bunch of that wax. I'm actually I'm actually a guy that I'd send everything I do checks I don't do online payments for almost anything if I yeah, I like to I prefer the mail too Yeah, what is that about us? We don't trust it this is we've been in the business too long to trust the electronic anything That's true. So there's a couple of new more stories go back to China. Yo, I

2:20:31 There's a couple of little items here I wanted to get out of the way. One is the update on the air zone. The Chinese have changed their air zone and we've toyed with them and now apparently we've kind of caved and Obama says, yeah, we'll not do this. But play the air zone report so we can keep up. Meanwhile, according to reports in the New York Times newspaper, US President Barack Obama is to tell American commercial airlines to comply with the rules of China's air defense identification zone and notify flight plans to Chinese authorities. The decision has apparently been taken following a government meeting.

2:21:13 Interesting. Meanwhile the Chinese have, there's rail news from China, the Chinese in the time it took for the Californians to decide and then go to court and come over their high-speed rail it's never gonna happen of course. Oh this is interesting, interesting you bring this up. Hold on I got something. Well let's now move on to other news. A high-speed railway route has opened in North China forming the last link in the high-speed rail network from the country's north to south. The line goes from Port City, Tianjin to coastal Qin Huangdao in Hebei province. It was first train set off on Sunday morning from Tianjin. The nearly 300 kilometer long journey only takes about an hour and 10 minutes. Half the time it takes by regular trains. It connects with Beijing to Harbin and Harbin to Dalian routes to the north and the Beijing to Shanghai route to the south.

2:22:03 Is it like rail appreciation day or something? Because I got a high-speed report. It's like a repeat. I think the PR people are back at work, A. And B, by the way, I'm looking at this report. I'll bet you, now I want to go to China just to take this particular train. It looks dead empty. Listen to this report. This is a US report that says the same thing but even hypes it worse. We're going to show you this scene this morning at New York's Penn Station. Amtrak says it's expecting a near record. This is from Thanksgiving Day. Number of passengers for the Thanksgiving weekend.

2:22:39 Crowds are also lining up for trains in Philadelphia, but across the country travelers still don't have one option used around the world for nearly half a century high-speed rail This is a packaged piece. I mean they're going no it's totally packaged saying no reason for the story. There's no news apparently they say, oh it's going to be busy, well yeah it's Thanksgiving weekend. Yeah hello, it's busy at the airports, it's busy on the freeways. Straight into a pre-produced package. It shows us why one state's battle could set the pace for the rest of the nation. In China, this bullet train zips between the cities of Beijing and Zhengzhou at over 220 miles per hour. So convenient, one local air service went out of business seven weeks after the first train left the station. Andy Kuntz heads an advocacy group called the U.S. High-Speed Rail Association. Ah, there it is. China now has built

2:23:32 Almost 10,000 miles of brand new state-of-the-art high-speed rail. All brand new, all fast, all... I mean, the best in the world. 10,000 miles? 10,000 miles! I gotta question that. 10,000 miles of brand new rail? What, they built that like overnight? This is the Acela Express which runs between Boston and Washington DC with stops in between. It's as close as the US gets to a high-speed line. The top speed is 150 miles an hour, but the average speed is not even half that, 70 miles an hour. But California hopes to connect San Francisco and Los Angeles with America's first true high-speed rail. 520 miles between them. Travel time, three hours.

2:24:23 All aboard, trains good, planes bad. And of course Boeing went and said, just let's throw a train off the tracks. These guys are getting way too much press. I can get... What? What are you playing? I'm not playing anything. What are you hearing? Oh, I bet you it's my, uh... You got an ad running? You got a Skype ad? I have something running. I went to the USHSR.com. Oh, and they got an autoplay? And I think they're playing some bull crap in the background. Oh yeah, there it is. They're showing the high-speed rail of China and how we should have this in California. Right. Which by the way, they're gonna stop. Yeah. This thing is never gonna... I mean all it is right now, what they're gonna do is they're gonna build the Bakersfield Fresno

2:25:17 you know, high-speed line so they can run, you know, grain up the gut and they're never gonna hook it to San Francisco to LA. It's a scam. But, okay, fine. And by the way, three hours? First I gotta get, first I gotta find a place to park. which is a pain in the ass and I have to wait to get on the train obviously so that's about 45 minutes. There's gonna be scanners you're gonna have to walk through the thing and you have to wait for the train so it's gonna be just like going to the airport so the time difference there is not gonna change. Hold on, hold on, hold on a second John. I'm not gonna let you only talk down about high-speed rail and only talk about the disadvantages. I'm not gonna let you do that. There's advantages to high-speed rail. Imagine boarding a train in the center of a city.

2:26:03 No racing to an airport and across a terminal, no delays, no sitting on the tarmac, no lost luggage, no taking off your shoes. So I don't see the difference. I'm gonna have to get to that, I have to rush to the train station because there's not one across the street from my house I can assure you. Yeah. So I have to rush to the train station, I have to rush to the airport. I have to park my car somewhere and it's not cheap, I have to park my car at the airport. Same thing. Here's the great thing. Why do you want to get to San Francisco faster? To that hellhole?

2:26:41 Well, there's that. Seriously, they always say. Here's the other thing. I mean who cares? San Francisco to LA. Why? If I want to go to LA, I can casually go to the Oakland Airport, which is a very pleasant airport. I can get on a Southwest flight and I can land in Burbank where I don't have to be in some the hellish LAX. I have choices. I can go to Burbank, I can go to Ontario, I can go to LAX, I can go to... there's even flights from Virgin Flights into the Long Beach Airport. I have a bunch of choices. Otherwise, I have to go to San Francisco and find a parking to get on the San Francisco high-speed rail to LA, go through the gut Fresno and Bakersfield with a beautiful...

2:27:25 Do that's they do have a great cart go-kart track in Bakersfield and so I go boom it takes me three hours on the train it takes me one hour and ten minutes on the plane I'm not and it's gonna be on sale because they're always having fair wars there's no fair let me ask you by the way that cost me fit if you take a look at Amtrak prices they never discount anything now let me ask you a question just so we can wrap this up why are they doing it if it makes no sense Well, for people who are new to the show, we've long since determined this is to benefit Warren Buffett, Burlington Northern, Santa Fe and all these other carriers of freight.

2:28:06 They need new rail beds for their freight and they won't spend the money. They're cheap. If the government and the stupid public will pick up the tab for new rail beds for these high-speed trains, the freight guys will end up with the high-speed rails because the high-speed train passenger service will never make money and they'll end up putting the freight trains on these tracks. And there's tons of money to be made in the process of putting this down. Tons of money. It's just a part of a greater corruption that you know we bitch about. It's about as far as we get. Red 33! Red 33! Clip Blitz! Clip Blitz! All right quick clip blitz. I've got some Euroland news. We start in Greece where we have to continue to discredit the true opposition I believe which is the Golden Dawn party which even has built in this Eurovision, Euro news report as far right!

2:29:05 But when you listen to what's actually going on, they've just basically locked up the opposition under suspicion of some things with no evidence. Around 1,000 supporters of the far-right Golden Dawn party gathered outside the parliament in the Greek capital of Athens. The smaller than expected crowd were protesting against the pretrial detention. The smaller than expected crowd. That's not propaganda. Thirteen of the party's 18 MPs are in detention, face charges or have had their parliamentary immunity stripped of them as the government cracks down on the group they suspect of involvement in paramilitary style attacks. A counter demonstration of leftist activists passed off peacefully as riot police prevented the two rival groups of protesters from clashing.

2:29:55 Golden Dawn is struggling for survival after losing a third of its support after anti-fascist rapper Pavlos Vissas was allegedly killed by a man who pledged allegiance to the far-right party. Which, by the way, as far as I can tell is not true. They are number two or number one in the polls regardless of whatever statistic Euronews just threw out there. Very, very disturbing. Greece is, it's kind of dropped off the radar after what now, five, how long has it been going on John? Four years of this insanity? Three years? Four years? It's amazing. The unemployment numbers just came out, almost 60% unemployment, youth unemployment, 60% more and Europe was touting all these

2:30:40 1.01% drop or something, a 0.1% drop in overall unemployment, yet youth unemployment skyrockets even more. It's very, very sad. And in the Ukraine, which you won't hear a lot about, this is very interesting, the Ukrainian government apparently does not want to join the European Union. Well, this is debatable. You might as well play Ukraine, play first clip. Interesting. Okay, the news sorry and European leaders have just wrapped up a summit in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius that was dominated by the Crane's decision to walk away from the deal and false fan cast gulliver-krag in Vilnius explains why the Ukrainian leader has yet to sign the agreement and at the moment his communication strategy is to say that he wants to sign this agreement and

2:31:37 in the not too distant future but it's not really clear whether or not that's what his real intentions are because one can ask well if he really wanted to sign it why wouldn't he sign it now? The Russian pressure is not going to let up anytime soon. The Russians have been perfectly clear about that so it's not all that easy to believe that Viktor Yanukovych really wants to sign this agreement or at least if he does ever sign it it will only be if he gets something from the European Union that he hasn't so far got and that what we're hearing from European diplomats in any case is the European Union is absolutely not prepared to give. Ukraine has been asking for very, very large amounts of financial assistance from the European Union and actually the advisor to Francois Hollande who was here said that that would

2:32:19 Going down that road and starting to deal with Ukraine in terms of figures of potential financial assistance would be moving away from the whole principle of the Eastern Partnership, which is to encourage good governance and democracy and not to start doing geopolitical bargainings of who's going to be the highest bidder between Europe and Russia in order to keep Ukraine within its sphere of influence. I think the greatest hope for Ukraine to move towards Europe is the will of its people, who are still demonstrating on the streets of Kiev and Lviv this evening. Yeah, so I kind of caught the same thing. I'll just play the report quickly of the Euronews report. Defying a ban on city center protests, tens of thousands of Ukrainians are rallying in Kiev to denounce the decision to reject an EU deal. Undeterred by the court order and beatings meted out to demonstrators on Saturday, they streamed back towards Independence Square. Boxing champion turned opposition leader Vitaly Klitschko spoke for many.

2:33:17 The authorities cannot and do not want to hear the people. The authorities that use the police to beat people and not to protect them should step down. The government, the parliament and the president. Ukraine's interior minister has warned that police will respond if there's what he called mass disturbances, but as demonstrators reappropriated the square, officers disappeared. In a bid to defuse tensions, President Yanukovych, who rejected the deal in favor of closer ties with Russia, said he'd do all he could to speed up Ukraine's moves towards the EU. Okay, so that report is in its entirety all farce.

2:33:55 The boxing guy all of that is just all games for the masses This is clearly geopolitical and there and your report the van cancer report was much closer to the truth This is about the supply routes that go through The Ukraine for Russian gas in Europe. Yeah, there's no like the van cat guys You have a little one of those little talks about it. No really and they all conclude this yeah, I mean that's so either You know, they can play... if the European Union wants a hedge for Russian gas and, you know, they would want to... it behooves them to bring the Ukraine in. The Ukraine is playing it fair, you know, as a country.

2:34:43 As the leadership quote-unquote of the country which is has nothing to do with what's good for the people well the guy came out and he says that the Russians appeared to just you had to read between the lines when the head of the Ukraine came out and Kind of hinted that the Russians were gonna do a deal for energy because there's all the pipelines go through there a lot of them yeah, and they're Ukrainians are essentially gonna get a steal they're gonna get like you know cheap and Yeah, and Russia has always been screwing with them. Yeah, they turn it off, they charge more. If they say, okay, we're not going to go with the EU, because if they went with the EU, which by the way I think would be a sketchy situation because the Ukrainian

2:35:28 operation in this entirety is half Russians, half Ukrainians, and it's incredibly corrupt. They would be introducing a really bad kind of a country into, not the Ukrainians, you can write me, into the mix of the EU. I don't think it would really do them any good. And they would try to gouge the EU. I mean, they're already showing this. Of course, of course. But you know, you don't want to play. It's just, it's so fascinating. We'll play my second Ukraine clip and see what they say there. Great. Hold on. I have a question about this. On that score, let me get you to react, Vivian, to some comments. The Poles and Swedes, particularly miffed by Kiev's about-face. The Swedish foreign minister, Carl Bildt, who bluntly wagged the finger at

2:36:16 at Putin, but also at Ukraine's president earlier in the week. This is what he tweeted early this Friday from the Vilnius summit that's been taking place between the EU and Eastern Europe. He's saying, President Yanukovych must show what he wants, rumors that he's promised to leave the European energy community would kill an association agreement. Bill saying that this is Yanukovych playing both sides against the middle a little too much. Yeah, of course. I mean everybody playing everybody against everybody. But it seems to me obviously he's in a very difficult situation. He's facing

2:36:56 an election campaign. For one thing he needs the funds for that election campaign and he obviously has, as Anne was saying, a huge base within Ukraine that is not, you know, that favorable. Yeah, here's some money. And so why are the Swedes in particular upset about this and bitching about the energy situation? Because somehow they're gonna take it in the shorts and I'm not sure how because if you look at the maps it's not obvious. But somehow Sweden believes that they're gonna be screwed over by the Russians somehow and this Ukrainian guy's not helping.

2:37:35 I this was this I don't know I don't know it either I mean I've been right that's the weirdest clip I have because I can't figure out what what this fuss is we're gonna have to dig into it meanwhile we're going after Russia in every way we can with with anti-putin stuff of course and so I came up with a Sochi Olympics hit piece that they ran on one of the HBO networks. Let's just back it up a second for the new people. We have dissected that these so-called anti-gay laws in Russia are nothing more than a way to soak the American entertainment industry for tens of thousands of dollars for each movie that comes out or tries to be released in Russia.

2:38:24 for the corporate fines that are about the propaganda of alternative lifestyles to children. It's not exactly the same as you can't be gay, which is the way this is being played and the way that my gay brothers and sisters are actually promoting this attack against Putin without proper knowledge or at least poorly informed about what's really going on. So they had this, I'm gonna cut this to two since we're running out of time. Although we don't really run out of time on this show. We could have all of them. Let's start with this. You've got something better to do? No, let's do at least three of them. Let's try, let's start with, this was on Real Sports with Brian Gumbel, who's the lead, he produces this thing, it's on HBO. And they do a lot of political stuff, even though it's all around, centers around sports. So they go after with a hit piece, and this is the Sociolympics hit piece that kind of introduces some of the elements, and I'll explain what they're talking about here.

2:39:21 We asked Dmitry Chernyashchenko, the president's right hand on the Sochi Games, what he thought about so much being spent on construction when there are thousands of people living like Leo in poverty in Sochi alone. You can understand when people say, geez, that's a lot of money being spent, you know, in a country that has so many people who are deprived of modern conveniences. Do you understand their concern? I understood what you are saying, but I am not agree with it. I can tell you that this will be the first bright and notable victory for the new young Russian democracy. But in a real democracy, there would be stories on national television about the bribes, about how Mr. Putin's friends

2:40:07 who are already fantastically wealthy or getting even richer about how billions are being spent on the games while tens of millions of Russians don't have running water. You're getting it already. How much of a real young democracy are we really talking about here? You have to understand that Olympics is not about politics. It gets worse. Yeah. So let's go. Let's go. And let's go to clip. Did everyone understand the irony of that? Did everyone understand? They will when the debate is over, because that's I kind of emphasize the irony on all these clips. So let's go to the Olympics. Anti-Putin guy comes out. He's got a book and he's discovered there's corruption. No.

2:40:54 There's gambling going on in there? Nemtsov, who commissioned his own study into the finances of the games and doesn't like what he found out. This is a festival of corruption and mismanagement. A festival of corruption? Oh my God, oh my God! This is a festival of corruption and mismanagement. We have 20 million poor people in this country. We have a problem in police, we have a problem in our hospitals. Putin spent 50 billion dollars for what? For what? To put on a show that tells the world. Show for himself. A festival of corruption! That's great. That's show title. Yeah, it is. Festival of corruption.

2:41:37 So the festival of corruption goes on, so they finish up, Gumbel gets together with the reporter at the end and this is the final thoughts and then they discuss this. Now I want you to know the numbers that he threw out so far is 50 billion dollars that they're spending on these Olympics, which is similar to what they spend everywhere by the way, but it's all because of Putin. And there's 20 million poor people that should get this money, but they're not getting it. So let's play the final thoughts and then I'll give you my final thoughts. Should any of this surprise us? Russia has several traditions. One of them is sports. And that sports tradition is they use it to show their strength and their legitimacy to the world. The other is corruption. So this is like a perfect get together of two great traditions. Without debating whether or not Putin is really a president or really a dictator, was he able to do all this unilaterally or did he have to pass it by an assembly of any kind?

2:42:36 I love your naivete when you ask a question like that. No, he's the strong man. Not only are these his Olympics, he went to Guatemala City in 2007 and personally lobbied for them and it was that personal effort that won the Olympics. And, and this is important, spending this kind of money on the Olympics couldn't be done anyplace else because there'd be stories about it, there'd be discussion about it. So the answer to your question is these are his games and he gets what he wants. Were you free to shoot anywhere you wanted? They didn't stop us. They didn't stop us. In all fairness, wherever we wanted to go, we went.

2:43:18 Alright, your thoughts? So let me ask you a couple of questions. Okay. So in the piece they talk about 20 million people in dire poverty in Russia. In America. Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to say in America, but yeah. No, no, what's the American number? Higher. 46. Yeah, the American number 47 I think is 47 million. It's going up it inches up. So we've got twice as many but that's okay. So now Putin went to Guatemala to sell this thing for himself. Didn't Obama go to like Copenhagen to sell the 2016 Olympics for Chicago? And what was the budget for those Olympics?

2:44:01 Well, according to the Wikipedia which talks about this whole thing, they had thrown on the table $47 billion dollars, which was going to be over budget, so it was going to be over the 50 Russians. So we were going to spend at least as much as the Russians are spending. We have more people in poverty, but the Russians are the bad guys? Well, this is how it works. You have to keep people focused, their eye on the ball, as it's very simple. Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! That's what it is, that's how it works. Well played, I'd say. It was well played.

2:44:39 But again, you know, alright. Nice. Can I read an email from Iran? Have we ever received an email from Iran? Do we have, do you know if we've ever received an email from Iran? You've asked the question now three times in a row. I would say no. Hi Adam, I'm 24 and I'm from Iran. I listen to your show and I love it. Most of it at least. You know, why do people even do that? That's just like... You know, that's lame. Hey Rembrandt, I liked everything but that self-portrait, not so. And why do you keep doing it again and again? Especially I love your thing about Muslim cultural aggression in the Western world. It's very true and I keep mentioning to everybody I'm not a Muslim but I'm surrounded by Muslims and I see them trying to make their life Western and absorbing Western culture. It's probably because we're Persians and are different from Arabs and Iranians are mostly Shias.

2:45:30 I don't know what the reason is, but anyway, I think this cultural aggression is a real thing, but there's a difference between Muslims. Oh, one other thing about Iran. In my whole life here, I live in Tehran, I've never seen a woman in a burqa. But I see them in Europe. Ain't that weird? And one, uh... Yes it is. Yeah. A couple things. Alevite, a sect of Shia that is very close to the main branch of Shia with the only difference that they are not into the hijab stuff. Two, really sorry I can't donate and this is the real crux of it. Not because I don't appreciate the work that you're doing but it's because every international transaction system has been blocked so I can't send you a donation. But as soon as this Iran-US deal gets through my first international money transaction will be to you.

2:46:14 Thank you for reading awesome alike him says site nice. Yeah, how cool is that that's a very cool letter? Yeah, I thought that would be kind of nice to just read as we sign off there It is we got no funds from Iran because of our own sanctions. You could send us Bitcoin. Oh, there's an idea Do you want the bully song as a end of show clip the bully song? We're a bully free zone in this school Yeah, play it. It's pretty bad I'll give it a whirl. All right. It's bad. I don't know why you're gonna play it, but okay. Because it's like disturbingly bad. No, you know what? I'm not gonna play it. We'll keep it. We'll review it as a committee. Yeah, we have to put it in the meeting, which apparently we're going to have.

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