Michelle Oprah and the Strippers

00:01 It's recommended by the office of the president-elect, an essential part of a balanced media diet. It's no agenda coming to you on this end from The United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and i'm John C Dvorak here in Silicon Valley North where it's another hot day Oh! And you are awake John You're energetic. I just flew in from New York this morning, so... And boy are your arms tired! Yeah, actually from Newark. What a great airport. You like Newark? Oh yeah it's the most undervalued of the tri-state area It is fantastic. It's usually much easier to get to from the city There's less traffic. I think it's easier to get to LaGuardia

00:46 Yeah, but then LaGuardia itself is such a pain in the ass experience. You know Newark is big and roomy... Well it's an old dog in an airport And you can't fly to I don't think you can fly from London from LaGuardia No, you can't fly coast-to-coast to LaGuardia It's only for Midwest and East Coast jumpers puddle jumpers So um... so I'm a little bit uh I'm less energetic than you are today, i guess. So you were in New York with all the guys? Yeah it was a full week You didn't know that No, I did know that Jeff and Ron were in New York but I didn't know you were there Well yeah well It was really important First of all this is our big go to see all the advertising agencies or really media buying agencies But also Jeff Carp who has been in the company what six weeks now

01:38 You know we need a little bonding experience. What the hell do you know? I mean, we talked to the guy for months before we asked him to join the company as CEO and it doesn't mean he actually knows the guy. Know what i mean? Did she take him out drinking? Oh well dude... As I said, It was bonding! Not everything is appropriate No but that's really important. You get to know a guy, you get to know his jokes, you get to know what he likes to eat in the morning. I've known Ron for 14 years. Yeah its different How was New York? I love New York. Once again, you're a borderline new yorker. Now i have to say and even with what they've done with Times Square um...I think it's actually improved it! I really think they've done a great job Broadway looks beautiful. Technically yeah they've improved them ever since Giuliani got in there and cleaned up the places but this doesn't have its old charm

02:39 of hookers and muggers. No, no I disagree the muggers yeah there's not as many muggers in fact didn't see any But it does still have the charm, you know. Yeah not... It's not exactly that way on 40s but look we were doing business in New York! It's still the same buildings its still kind of crappy elevators every day while the wind is whistling through the buildings rooms are too hot or to cold You know it rains and guys with a $10 umbrellas come out That also New York John. Yeah that's all over the city And Flashdancers are stil there doing fine I might add

03:16 Did you go there? Yeah, of course. Really you took Jeff? No no I went by myself. You went by yourself? Yeah had like three hours to kill before I was getting picked up for the airport and like what am i gonna do?! I'm already checked out of the hotel! I got literally three hours it's drizzling and uh... because from our hotel I could literally see David Letterman's place Ed Sullivan Theater, yeah. Which has beautiful Letterman Tonight show signs outside and I thought oh yeah he's always showing Flash Dancer so i wonder where that is? Oh you've never been in there before? No I haven't been to the Flash Dancer so I get out my Google phone

03:56 And I type in flash dancers, New York. It's like oh it was right across the street around the corner So yeah, I had a $10 beer that was pretty cool $10 Peter then you the girls recognize ya no No, that's too bad But it was uh it was very dark and I wasn't empty because of course Wall Street is bust Yeah, well there should have been a lot of guys in there crying you know and... I was talking to the girls and they said yeah when Lehman Brothers went down which is not far from there. There were guys who came in and she said that were white as sheets and they we're crying and since then business has only 30% of what it was before all the malaise started

04:43 Business is only 30% of what it was at Flash Dancers? You mean to tell me that place was supported by Wall Street?! No, you think!? Unbelievable. Are you kidding me! That's what all these places are supported by The guys who were in these strip joints are the sleaze buckets who were taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses Because that's all they did They take their money go down to Flash Dancers or Scores or Stringfellows and spend thousands on not getting laid Yeah, that's about it getting you know is to getting rubbed up Well go see a leg massage is your wallet yeah So dang so that was I think that was part of why I wanted to go in there to find out how That was doing because when we had bank clients in New York. Oh, that's the reason okay? I get it well You know it was it was part research

05:33 I'm writing it off. A friend of mine who used to be a major book writer, I should mention his name but maybe I shouldn't, but he used to be a writer for BC Magazine lived in New York, major major Windows book writer put up windows tattoo on himself. He became an offici-aficionado of all the strip places in Manhattan Really? First name basis with all the girls So I said well geez you've got to take me around and excellent excellent So he took me around. I met all these different girls who were all just you know they're all You know they were all you know falling all over themselves when they saw him, I guess He was a big tipper And the only everyone knew him and you know I'm wandering like it's a fifth wheel Yeah But anyway we went to that place flash dance yeah when they were closing so we stayed after they closed

06:26 Oh, that's when it gets fun man. and they just hate these things. I've never seen pasties in flash dance. Oh, well these days it was apparently a lot. What is this 1930 John when they still had tassels? No! These pasties you can't see them it just looks like its clear goo Oh, and it's just to keep forming? To keep it up or what is it? No. It was for just a base... When Giuliani came in they required this and that was the way of getting around flaunting the law. Oh but you could... They weren't completely topless here

07:11 Yeah, well you can't see this stuff. Anyway... I think it was close enough to know John Okay well they apparently changed the law but anyway they had taken us so anyway they're sitting beside the point of the story So there sitting there naked essentially with a G-string and So one of them talked about you know she said well, you know I like to get out of this town. I'd like to go someplace else But you know I'm a stripper and I just have to find some place else to go I'm just waiting for my sugar daddy with all my infinite wisdom said You oughta go to Atlanta there's a million strip clubs down there And it's really pleasant down there was that cheetahs is that in Atlanta? Is that big at the time was the gold club Cheetah 3 Cheetah 4 There's a bunch of me the places crawling with him John once again you amaze me you are an aficionado in truly everything

08:00 John C. Dvorak, you know something about everything! Now this is it ladies and gentlemen as an example of somebody stepping all over your material. Sorry So anyway so I tell-I say to the girl who's sitting there with her friend nothing basically nothing on And i said she should go to Atlanta and then she pipes up kind of adamantly and says Huh? I would never do that they dance nude down there Oh man. I just, I couldn't speak after that it was like what? Well i think its a fine service and im all for it. Its just bunch of girls who cant get work otherwise and usually have pretty cute figure No the girl I met was Polish and she was studying business And she was supplementing her student income by working three days a week

09:05 Yeah, right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh man... So anyway... There's a couple of... I don't like these clubs by the way for anyone out there who wants to know Because at some point when you're younger, you go to enough of these places. I've actually gone through two iterations of these things and... It's boring and expensive at the end of the day? Well, it'd be... The expense... Actually it's not as expensive as it could be. And it's not as expensive as some of those mobbed up places where they really take you for everything that you have But I have taken it upon myself because you run into a lot of people that get to go to Manhattan and they're from out-of-town or whatever, and they want to go these places. I'm talking about going to business meetings with some big software company... That's always pathetic! Oh hey we're not home our wives are away We're all guys together let's go to a strip bar and drink and hoot and holler! Yeah I hate that Well the worst so I usually make sure to go

10:04 Not because of the strip club, but to keep these guys from getting ripped off. And now I know who you're talking about. Yes, okay? and so I mean so you go in and then you know you just see the enemies these girls are like vultures and especially when they make a spot these out-of-town guys a mile away Hard thing they can they swore they swarm and then they come in and the next thing You know that's just it's just you can just see the money there They talk to these guys into buying ridiculously priced crappy champagne one thing after another and I have actually on more than one occasion insisted that they leave immediately and I did without explanation so you have to go now yeah just take my word for it you know i do in some sort of a way that makes something like something's something bad is about to happen. Yeah, something bad is about to happen! And get them out of there. We used have to take guys there all... Do not go those places people

11:04 When we took Think New Ideas public right after we hit the tape as they call it, so after the market closed that day. Then all of the traders who would... because when you go public it's a whole event, a whole company, there is a whole bunch of stuff that happens actually and that almost worths a book just writing about that experience and then they're like, hey come on let's uh... I think it was it wasn't scores or some other one. I can remember where it was you know lets go and so its like you know that is the typical thing like fifteen guys you know in they all made money that day off of our company we didn't but our company had money now to going and grow and be a you know operate which was fun

11:43 But I remember we all sat in the private room and then these guys are getting completely wrecked, and they're getting sweaty. And their ties are halfway off... One guy is leading over to them going hey man can you spot me a thousand bucks? I'm not liquid right now! Look at him, not liquid! A thousand bucks?! A thousand bucks yeah! It was icky, icky at best but this was just like I just want to get a beer, just wanted go sit and thought hey what the hell So, uh... Well unless you learn something. I mean in fact if you can get a couple of these it's in fact if you can get some of these girls into an honest conversation which is possible because most are just stricken by sleazeballs A lot of them are idiots yeah You find out some interesting things and um... Well this was typical she fit the profile from Poland goes back once a year I think she sends money back when she wants to

12:40 as she's studying business and children psychology, I don't know. She was pretty interesting. There are some of these... She might have been for real. Please let me have my fantasy! Let me have my fantasy! Stop. Anyway, I have here in my hands a v- Wait before you finish that lemme just mention one more thing If anybody wants to uh if you like Chris Rock find the copy which is all over the internet of there's no sex in the champagne room Oh I should take a look at that I have in my hands a VHS tape, it has an old MTV Networks Inc. label on it and I got this from a good friend of mine who had to be in New York to get ahold of it And it has 8 years worth of MTV outtakes Of all your favorite VJ's the ones that never made the air Yeah you on there? Oh yeah

13:39 All of us. And uh... Are we gonna post the ones of you on Mevio? No, were going to put every single one of them up Oh, you got permission? No. No in fact I'm not allowed to say who i got it from and look! I'm gonna put it up and burn a Mevio bug in it so if we get a cease-and-desist someone will upload it to YouTube they'll live on perpetuity its great material and the reason why I am doing this A because they didn't invite me for the headbangers ball Reunion and now they're doing the last TRL total requests live which of course started as Dial MTV another show I was doing years ago, and they're not inviting me to that so I'm inviting all of them to my party on media How come you became persona non grata well dude? I quit on air then we had a huge lawsuit Well what did you expect him to invite you these things for then well that shouldn't be so childish

14:36 It's just business. Exactly! For us it's just... No, for me its personal So I'm putting that up That'll be fun But now I gotta find a VHS machine so I can digitize this stuff Oh? I went to all the camera shops on uh along Broadway and uh couple on 5th They didn't even have VHS players anymore Just find some local studio Some independent production house Digitizer And schmooze them they'l do it for free That's what I gotta do. Or pay for it, you know? Yeah no, i'll pay for it! I just got to find someone who does that in the neighborhood... But there has to be two or three places out there that will do it. If they don't do a better job than YOU'LL DO. But this stuff is- Thank You

15:16 These outtakes are not just bloopers, it's not like America's Funniest Home Videos or some stupid shit like that or something you'd see on the E! Channel. This is stuff where... You know how you could be doing a segment and its on tape anyway so its okay if it goes wrong but then you take it in a whole different direction It usually winds up with sex with animals or something like that And of course it never actually gonna make it on the air but you kinda complete the thing anyway So it's alot of that Oh. And you'll be amazed at what downtown Julie Brown does Yeah, you mean besides sue ya after your run this thing? She won't sue me she'll laugh. Oh okay What are we gonna get cease and desist? Wait what is she doing now I have no idea Huh She always had the best name Downtown Julie Brown yeah good name Yeah But she never had was talent Well that's pretty much par for the course with that place if i'm not mistaken

16:16 But most of the people like Martha and Mark Goodman, and I think Alan as well. They're all on the 80s channel on Sirius Satellite so they got some kind of work. Who are now merging? Yeah good luck! They've merged...they're merging all the technology now too. And i think them business models still is lacking in this fact that was talking to you the other day Well, the business model is not only lacking but the problem is their distribution is getting radios into cars and right now the car industry is not selling cars. I went out to lunch with a venture capitalist on Thursday and found a new interesting place by way for look for business lunches. Anyway he was talking to me about you know he's got a Bentley and it's got one of those plugs for an iPod

17:16 And he says that he, you know, used to have a subscription to both those services. Yeah. You know because these guys... He says he just cancelled on both. He says he just listens to podcasts Really? Yeah, he says a lot of his other friends are just... you know they basically once they get into the podcast groove then they don't want anything else. They just listen to podcasts because there's no commercial interruptions that are easier to listen too You can listen and start and stop which is a big deal because if your listening to something interesting on XM There's no TiVo capability in these things yet Actually there is. Sirius has, I forget what they call it... They do have one that will actually record the broadcast like a TiVo functionality but still it's recording and has to do whenever the show is being broadcasted. Right, no versatility. And you can't be in the tunnel

18:05 Stuff like that. I think once we do, once time switching became obviously a big deal... I was skeptical at first but why would i because I've been using VHS machines since they first came out to do the same thing right? Right and so once people decided that they didn't want their content handed to them on a schedule that they had to obey. Yeah adhere too They it I think the world changed and I think that's what opened the door for these kinds of things We do with this podcasting. I agree gee, I wonder who started that there must have been a pretty smart guy Dave Weiner Yeah, exactly A little present for you here John. There you go Now people basically bought it for Stern You know everyone listened to stern maybe they listen to some of the ESPN stuff maybe BBC America But I think that's pretty much it

19:00 Right. And I still think that podcasting, which is interesting to me that you invented it so far ahead of the curve because there's always interesting people who get so far ahead of the curve by the time things really become a big deal they're probably dead But, um... Not quite. No I know but i'm saying in 20 years everything is going to be distributed this way and there's going to more independent productions and it's gonna be a little more competitive Sure everyone still downloads the PBS stuff now that everyone has gotten into The Act

19:37 Well, I do think there will be one maybe minor difference that if we actually could have complete ubiquitous bandwidth everywhere at reasonable throughput rates then there might not be that much reason to have to download stuff before you can listen to it. It may actually be able to be streamed and started and stopped live but it requires a huge infrastructure which we clearly don't have So right now it's... But I think what's overlooked, because you're not the only guy who said this but I think what's overlooked in this analysis is that that's actually a throwback. We don't need to do..I mean I think it'd be great if we could stream stuff and I think its still important for like sporting events and things where you really don't want to listen to a lot of tape. Well but I'm just talking about saving more time

20:21 you know, yeah there's lots of people using iTunes for podcasts but I don't really know how well it works if it's really downloading in the background. You know, I think that probably when someone wants to load up they say okay give me all my stuff and that the speeds are now fast enough that it kind of comes in and you can do this a maybe 20 minute ordeal if you got a couple shows you want to download but its not really fully automatic so all im saying is just make it easier So it's not about the live stream, it'll be on demand streaming is what I mean. It's not like live in real time live but you can just access it on demand and that will happen more and more Just because it saves the audience more time at the end of day

21:04 Yeah, no I think it'd be better if you just had a big menu. Here's ideally what i would like to see. You have your player or maybe not even your player but you have a connection to a player that is built into the car who knows what through wifi You have a menu that comes up on your screen and you just click on the 10 podcasts you want or subscribe to them so they update automatically through some wireless system. And then, uh... you're done! Or you go to website and somebody has a podcast. Just click on that in there's some mechanism it just automatically throws onto your playlist

21:40 It goes right on to your into your car wherever you listen to this stuff, and then it's just basically one-click stuff well So I almost have it set up that way because what I've done is on me vo comm which by the way? I think the home page is starting to get starting to like be something now but on me vo comm I'll make a channel of favorite shows so I have Let's see what I have in there. The New York Times front page, I've got Fresh Air, I've got the BBC News pod, I've got Pacific Coast Hellway, I've got Tech 5 and then it's all in one channel so its one feed and I subscribe to that in my Nokia podcast application and since literally one click it'll bring in the whole list of new episodes in the shows that I like

22:33 And then I can just say, okay download this one, this one, this one or all of them if i want to. and that's it! Then you know... then I'm good to go Hmm, but and that's that's getting pretty close to two perfect. I would say yeah, I need something like that I mean, I'm still you know you have a e71 you can do the same thing Yeah, I don't listen to this stuff through these I'm gonna have to start using the E 71s Multimedia capability a little more well. I got this bitchin headset That that's what's really working for me. I got did I show you that headset the Motorola Bluetooth behind? The it's no looks like made of solid plastic and it goes behind the behind the neck

23:10 I'll show it to you. It's awesome. Let me see if there is a model number on this... Doesn't say, ummm.... You're looking it up? You're Googling? Yeah, I'm googling. Yeah, I picked this up at the San Francisco airport last time I was leaving and its awesome! So you got beautiful stereo, you can start and stop from the headset. No wires which is really what I hated And i could even have this thing on when the plane was taking off When your supposed to have everything off If they catch you with earphones in then they almost rip them out of your head right? so this just goes right underneath the hairline You don't see it and im sitting there chilling listening to shows and if a call comes in that interrupts its great

23:55 Hmm. No, you have to send me a link yeah well now but anyway Yeah I I still burn CDs Well a lot of people do actually in fact you know Well, I'll tell you what the problem is with burning CDS because I have a bunch of them You know when I go into the? San Francisco office I had one of the things they do is I've downloaded a lot of the ad tech and AdTech, which is one of the big conferences for people out there who do a lot of blogging and stuff. They want to kind of understand this business a little better you can go to these ad tech site and they have all their speeches for all their conferences available as podcasts. All of them! That's cool yeah that's good And we were talking like dozens and dozens But did they have an RSS feed? Well the problem is are so many of these things you want it you want to pick and choose

24:51 So here's something that would be great if you could go to Mevio and then you could create a channel of the ones You think are good, and then publish that. That would be cool I'd listen to your feed if you were putting stuff in there so anyway The problem is that you can only get one or you know because of the problem with CDs Is it they only hold 70 minutes? You know, when you have an iPod you can load that baby up with hours and hours of material. Or even with the E71 how much does that hold? Like whatever memory card comes in. Yeah it's a 2 gig memory card so you can store tons of stuff on it. So yeah, it's a big difference. So you end up burning a lot of cheap CDs and throwing them out. But I find that good for the car because I've tried the Bluetooth to the car radio... That sucks! And I've never gotten that to work reliably

25:42 So, yeah I'll burn stuff to a CD for in the car. In fact uh... i made a big stink about this and the download links are coming back ladies and gentlemen on uh... MeVL. Oh you.. oh great! Yeah of course it's stupid I mean that's like if you can't force people listen to shows on the computer You know or force them to... It's like why make it difficult just give me a damn download link This is what I'm saying to AL you can hear me saying it. AL don't make us all fucking difficult Well, the problem is that you know until they feel I mean yeah there's a difficulty monetizing these kinds of things But the fact of the matter is there's ways A and B people want to download let me get the phone. Yeah no problem Go ahead well give me a story first Now I gotta cover Let me see...I got a good story I'm so happy

26:39 You there? Yeah, I'm back. Alright you want to continue this or do you want to talk about something else? Well what no...I think we're boring people stiff. Alright so I picked up as i always do for my girls I pick up like People Magazine I'll pick up Us Weekly or whatever it is and pick up the National Enquirer and Globe And I'm so happy with our new president because now politics are really in the supermarket tabloids. And, uh...I had to pick this up Obama's wife attacks Oprah Back off! There is only room for one first lady in the White House

27:19 And it's great because, in essence I'm sure that a lot of this is taking place so the story of course which is hyped to no end. Well wait a minute before you go on where did this one run? Because for people out there who don't know any better the National Enquirer is quite accurate Yes but this is The Globe, The Inquirer has its own story but this isn't exclusive to The Globe which I'll put in the same league although Inquirer may be better And it's really saying that Oprah, who of course did do a tremendous amount for the Obama campaign. She had a big fundraiser at her house like $3,000 ahead dinner. Declared him the Messiah? Did that and talked about him... She is one of if not the key maker. Well she is huge on television! She is massive

28:05 And so now, you know of course... So this is how it works right? The campaign ends. The twittering stops You know the emails are drop off the face of the earth because it's done right we got nothing left to say to anyone who did anything that's the way goes but of course Oprah you know who has been dedicating a lot of her personal time but also professional taking risk even What she was, remember in the beginning people said oh she's gonna lose her audience. People will hate her you know so there were some significant risk involved You know so...you're not Oprah and it's not like all of a sudden okay thanks I'm president No! She is calling up and she is going like alright ummm So I'll be hosting the inaugural ball This is the dress that I'll be wearing And by the way I've got an agenda Here are some things you have to do because

28:54 I'm Oprah. Yeah, yeah this was all expected Of course it was! Well people don't think about it and that's why I am so happy that this is showing up in the supermarket tabloids because now you know now have a reason to read these things again And Michelle Obama apparently really pissed off You know she'd like back off sister. Heh heh heh Yeah, well because Michelle Obama is indeed or will be in January the first lady and Oprah is not the first lady although Oprah was kind of a de facto First Lady of the black community and now she's gonna you know She must this is gonna. Be interesting because you're right yes could turn into a little

29:35 a little hissy fit here. Well, even crazier than that... I was talking to Patricia about this and she approached this from a very different angle She sees it as celebrity gossip you know she's not even that into the whole presidential thing the way i am certainly And so I mentioned this to her and she says, oh yeah now I've been seeing Oprah man. She's like because you know she's not married to Stedman you know her sexuality has always been in question and you know what? She's really like the most eligible Bachelorette in America I would say even though she has this guy, maybe just her mustache or beard whatever you call it. It doesn't matter but Patricia was saying that everywhere Oprah is like hanging on Barack and as well as Patricia put a little more crudely but she says like he's just gliding over him continuously and I bet she would have loved to have been... That what she said? That what she said

30:34 It doesn't know if she said it in Dutch, so it doesn't really translate But she said no Oprah's just moist Oh for Barack that was a the ass I get it and and I thought about I said yeah You know I could totally understand where open would think shit. You know this is the guy from me I'd like him now She can't do anything about her now. I think that's way too late but but you bet you bet that she has a lot she has an agenda And she's gonna call Barack on it the president. Yeah, no it's going to be interesting to see what he does but the problem is you know a lot of people believe that the entire black community which has never been had this much access to power is going to be all over him pushing him in one direction or another He's gonna have to do... He's gonna have to essentially pull Nixon and pretty much isolate himself so you just can't get hold of them Oh he got enough people considering for his administration that worked with Nixon

31:34 Well, and Clinton. And he's got that mean-spirited chief of staff who keeps everybody away. You know I looked up a couple of things on some of these people. I didn't have a lot of time... I don't know if we talked about it last week but Rahm Emanuel was on the board of directors at Freddie Mac in 2002 when there was huge money being laundered and lost All these people that are around him in the administration, it's kind of scary. You probably get a weird background if you're in politics long enough anyway but hmmm... So the word here is that Hillary Clinton's going to become Secretary of State. Yeah, I followed that whole thing Friday it kind of like well you know she doesn't want to say and insiders are saying and but then i heard Hillary give a speech where she said I'm going to respect the president-elects process so it sounds like she indeed could be

32:26 up for the... Well, you know when they during the election when the two of them were still battling each other and she had to give in and not make a big fuss at the end. They had that secret meeting just the two of them and came out and she was smiling and everybody thought there's some sort of a quid pro quo deal that was done to get her out it out of the race and many people assumed it was Vice President this may have been the deal Well, it's the right gig for her. I'll say that she is definitely the right person although of course she works for the evil Uber overlords you know my opinion on that but just from what she knows and who she knows and uh... the world she's traveled around in i think he would be pretty good maybe She's another neoliberal well of course she is! It's all show anyway I just want pretty pictures to look at by the way Sarah Palin now with their hair down at that Republican get-together

33:21 So it turns out you watched Bill Maher last Friday. I didn't see the one last night. I never watch it, yeah. Well you shouldn't... We already went through this! Oh, well you know once we get our sling boxes hooked up. And there's a thing called Sling Catcher that puts it on the TV I'm gonna get some units and i'll figure out how to do it Anyway so Bill Maher Was one of the guys ranting and raving about what an idiot Sarah Palin was because she thought Africa was a country And it turns out it wasn't true. Yeah, she denied it nobody paid any attention to her denials But they decided to go with it and it was a blogger who is a hoax guy? And here was a big hoax in the Los Angeles Times You know the media MSNBC these they

34:15 They all jumped on this poor woman for something that didn't even happen. It was just... I thought it was sick. Despicable, yeah! Well that's the media That's why its better now to buy I bet you the story in The Globe is true Its more true than that shit Yeah, I'm sure. It's pathetic that we have to read tabloids to get news. Well it reminds me of Men in Black. I think it was the first Men in Black where Tommy Lee Jones is showing Will Smith the ropes and then he walks by a news stand and stops and picks up The National Enquirer and then Will Smith says what's that for? He said this is research! For all the stories there are...it's all true everything here is happening in real world

34:58 Well, you know the one thing that's come out over the... The National Enquirer doesn't get any respect because they buy a lot of their stories. They'll actually pay sources to spill their guts and this is considered bad practice Yeah I'm reading The Best Democracy Money Can Buy Greg Pallast have you ever heard of him? No, I haven't heard of him but i've heard of that book. Excellent book! Excellent book and it's really... he is a journalist who has uncovered a lot amazing things that have gotten no attention in mainstream media so its partially about the truth that he has uncovered which goes back to 2004 elections

35:42 with voters predominantly black but almost all Democrat being scrubbed off of the eligibility or voter list in Florida. But really it's about how he has tried to get these stories into mainstream news in America and has failed, and what I'm already reading now is he saying no one's doing any research! It's a lot safer just you know to buy your story because that's what they all do John They don't, they buy a package story. They don't buy the news or the information from the person directly but they'll just buy a package of news you know? They'll take a press release turn it into a new story

36:22 and uh... there's no report is too expensive no one to spend the money on reporting in fact a line that i like that it really let you know the newspapers are at some point make something twenty percent margin when they're in their heyday as so they keep cutting back on the quality of people stop looking at the papers because equality sucks yeah then they will be cheapen it more thinking people gonna want that when always united made this argument million times like why do you make your product worse if you want more people who buy it and he does this never made any sense to me and meanwhile it's so bad and this is a day that there's a point of irony here i was on a call recently for the bulldog reporter with a bunch of other writers uh... would be talking to public relations people about how they should do their job this is common and caris wisher was on at the wall street journal yeah and she's talking about her website she did get all things digital whatever it is there isn't just kind of a blog that separate from the journal itself although it's edited i believe anyway

37:21 She said that the most popular feature on there is press releases run full cloth. Yeah, she says it's just really shocks her but you run a press release full cloth and it gets more page views than most of the stuff that she does. She says she just kind of mentions this in passing and I'm thinking think about what you just said. Isn't that crazy? I mean the press, it's just you know okay well anyway so that so the whole newspaper thing is just completely now somebody made or mentioned the possibility that they are going to be next in line to beg for a bailout.

38:00 These guys don't need any more money. Just before we get into that, so somewhere in the beginning of this book is the line that this is so rare that journalists actually do any real investigative reporting That's why they had to make a whole movie about you know called All The President's Men because who were the guys Woodrow... Bernstein and Woodward It was so rare that they'd actually done all that investigating reporting Investigative reporting to uncover the Watergate scandal They had to make a movie about it And the point is well made. I never thought about that, but you're right Yeah! So what's so special? These guys actually did their job It was so unusual that this ever happened and this in the 70s by the way... ...So unusual that anybody would do something like this that it made into a movie You might like this book John. Its an updated version The Best Democracy Money Can Buy Isn't that funny? Expanded Election Edition Wow okay This is uh Paul Parkinson gave this to me

38:56 I have known many a person, many an arrogant PR person who have sensually said you know we make all the news. We people just do what we tell them to and that's the way it is Well the sad thing is that the audience doesn't give a shit. Oh yeah whatever They don't give a shit because they're not really given much of an option No, but I don't think... And they're used to it. Yeah they're used to just believing whatever It's like remember that Isle of Jersey thing? I think was telling you about it the other day about how they found all those bones childrens bones

39:37 and there's been you know, 30 eyewitnesses and testimony for years. And so they finally uncovered bones of like 12 children... So now they replace the deputy or the chief of police whoops someone else went in retirement oops the judge changed! Now the news came out oh no it was there is no children bones at all it's all animal bones that was no torture whatsoever. You know? People are emailing me, you really need to make a correction You were wrong. I'm like, what are you talking? You're gonna believe this piece of shit over anything else but a little me I mean 30 people test testifying that this was going on Yeah, man We get we get you know You see that when you do This is the great thing about actually modern media and blogging and in modern magazines that use comments Because you hate you can roll out like the most scurrilous Piece of information that you know isn't true

40:33 I mean, global warming falls into this category. Michael Crichton by the way, I saw it. You know Michael Crichton came out at you know and he's...I saw his last interview with Charlie Rose. I have a copy of all his interviews. And he says that he knew he was going to get slammed for this but as far as he is concerned it's a crock of crap! You could have evidence that it's a crock of crap, but because people have subscribed they have subscribed their personality. In other words it's almost like you know what I've always felt this way with the you know this Mac versus PC thing that happened or began in 1984 and just really never ended and you criticize a Macintosh And the person who has subscribed to the Macintosh by buying one and thinking is really good They think you're criticizing them Yep

41:19 They've internalized, people have internalized outside information and this is a form of materialism that is very destructive to one's personality. and this type of materialism can take the form of being materialistic about information so you are totally, you bought in to something. To such an extreme that if anybody says it might be or that the information might be invalid You defend the information even if is invalid because you are 100% IN This is not healthy But this is rampant John particularly in high tech Particularly Silicon Valley stuff

41:58 and it's programming. It has to do with an engineer... Yeah, it does. It's social engineering but look at those ads I mean basically hi I'm a cool guy you know I'm getting laid and I use a Mac that's the whole message and the other guy clearly is not getting laid By the way, I'm in New York and I asked Ron and Jeff this. You know, Ron's a pretty smart marketing guy. Jeff has been marketing electronic arts all of North America for eight years you know billions of dollars worth video games And he said do you see that bus going by it says Windows life without walls Can you explain that positioning statement to me? Neither of them could Do you know what that means? I have a theory

42:48 Well, let me think about it. This is not to mention that this is so weak I remember seeing it myself life without walls and windows Yeah So the window's what? It's just sitting there without a wall in the hole you know up I guess no Okay But I'm just trying to think of some some crazy things like got it. I got it man. It's and it's a total West Coast Silicon Valley thing get it Walled garden the Mac being a walled garden. Oh my god, you're right How how lame is that? Huh? How lame is D? You're right. That's exactly it It's a con.

43:43 But there's a pun in there, and I think because of the whole Mac PC thing. And now they've got the hi I'm a PC which by the way? I think those ads are pretty good. I think this stink now. I think they're well cast I like them. I like Here here is the big $64 question about these ads when you're zooming by advertising using your Tivo or your DVR whatever it is and you go shooting by all these ads bang, bang, bang. And you see a Mac ad one of those are the two guys? You will stop and watch it because you know you're gonna be entertained if you see one of those PC ads are you going to stop your DVR so you can watch the ad no no

44:25 No, you're right. But that's the difference between advertising and making a better ad and doing something which I believe is the next... what we are doing the next level of advertising is to turn it into entertainment! Those ads are entertaining they're fun to watch so its entertainment ergo good in it And then of course thats the kind of shit when you consume as entertainment You internalize it and then get all that crazy fanboy shit Well, it has messages in it that are...that work. I mean, I think they're just fantastic! It hasn't sold me on anything but you know? But the fact of the matter is this machine I do recommend people buy if somebody says what should I get by a lot of lights just get a Macintosh and you don't have to worry so much yeah hell yeah and I saw once again on the road man because Ron we using runs laptop

45:24 as the presenting machine so you know it's fully loaded and has, in case there is no... You go to these agencies and you get like an hour with one of the top media buyers responsible for huge brands. I'm talking about everything from Pepsi to Dr Pepper to movie studios You know other consumer packaged goods like Gillette, you know on and on and on. And then you want to present them sometimes the Wi-Fi is all fucked up and you can't... you wind up presenting upside down the craziest ways you know half of the meetings I spend on my knees on the floor. It's real schmata selling stuff. Right, because you have to go down and find a plug. You gotta find a plug an all that. The internet connection is usually dead

46:16 Exactly, and then you know what's the guest password? So we have a lot of stuff. I don't know nobody knows And these are media agencies who were supposed to be sophisticated in this stuff uh... and anyway so actually had a lot of good luck i would worry we get a lot of it working at fairly smoothly but but it's a pc and so whenever you connect to either here we did have our own projector which was carried with us in case someone has absolutely nothing because there's nothing more pathetic than hey let's all look over my shoulder the screen or trying to navigate a presentation upside down right now but uh... every um...

46:53 Every different projector we ran into or every flat screen TV. It's you spend 15 minutes configuring the fucking options You know the size the frequency scan rate to the The resolution and with a Mac you plug it in and it works, it just works Hello Yeah, yeah So, uh... Did I internalize that? It sounded a bit weird. Yeah, you just sounded like too happy about it. Yeah no, I agree the whole thing's a disaster! And I use the Google phone a lot. What's your problem with standardization? What am sorry? I used the Google phone a lot this trip Oh, I didn't know you had a Google phone. Yeah yeah yeah, I got one from The Office

47:41 Well I was supposed to get a Google phone, they never got me one. Well no! I got you the E71. Listen you don't want the Google phone unless you wanna test it out because of battery life... Yeah that's what i wanna do is test it out Okay well you can have mine and I'm done with it Is it a dog? No What are you saying? No what I am saying is The ph..I think I told you this The phone itself is a dog It's HTC makes it And the battery life You know because all the shit thats in there whatever its like 3 hours thats not worth it There's still a lot of basic stuff missing real basic stuff like you know I'd like to You know send a web page via email to someone forget all that This is an operating system that combined with the Google services here. It is the cloud is a

48:27 absolutely at consumer-friendly enough level and I could see this operating system unlike Symbian, I could see this going on the netbooks. I could see this being a very lightweight operating system that works with all the Google services giving you enough to have a real experience in life free as an operating system. I'm really quite Yes, I'm surprised by it. I'm surprised by it So you think Google do you think this may be a Trojan horse? Not in the sense of a virus but in the sense of like here Here we come work We're gonna do this phone look just a phone or just doing a phone no No, no, we're just doing a phone But when fact they're working on blowing out a real operating system that's going to be unreal computers running all these cloud apps before You know it yeah well I know that they're already gonna Do it on a sprint phone

49:20 So they're just going to be pimping the OS out everywhere they can. And I don't see why they wouldn't put it on bigger devices, it makes perfect sense to me! So then Microsoft was right in there paranoia? Yeah...I think so. It could do it John, it really could. It already has that touch screen hooks built into it. That's kind of cool which by the way the hotel we were at had those big Microsoft coffee tables It's kind of nice because it... What hotel was this? The Sheraton Towers. A pretty shitty hotel, but right in the middle where we needed to be for this trip

49:58 So you have these coffee tables which are about 4 feet by 2 and a half feet. And it looks like you're looking from the top view of the beach, there's little starfish there and some shells in sand...and when you put something down on the table because I didn't recognize it at first but if we put something down then water starts to ripple and then you notice in the four corners there's a little tab, you hit it and then boom! You get Google Maps or Google Earth I should say. It is probably Microsoft Live but it looks like Google Earth There are pictures of the hotel where you can do all the rotating and pinching and expanding... Yeah that was good That was the shit Microsoft should be making

50:43 Yeah, well... If it's even Microsoft. It worked too well for it to be Microsoft honestly Well they're not gonna you know They drift in and out of these things that are weird I don't know what is going to happen More people, apparently the government of Holland has decided to go open source Yeah, they've been working on that for a long time. I think that's uh...a damn good initiative That started in Amsterdam i believe. That's where the initiative started like ten years ago. I was sitting down with the Dutch guy yesterday Oh yeah? Where was he from? From the government? Phillips Ah right

51:23 He's going on and on about how his company doesn't you know they were there running Linux and open Office because you know he says why who wants to spend all? Why should we be spending 800 bucks a head for office when we can just run OpenOffice And it does most of 99% of what you want done, right. He mentioned I didn't notice But the newest version of OpenOffice actually will read and write a doc X file Which I've told everyone in my family never to use yeah, I hate those PowerPoint X files as well, completely not backwards compatible with anything. This is why Kleiner Perkins invested in Kim Polisi's company It's like an IT services company that will service installs of Linux

52:15 For the Linux organization you need that anyway, and if you got a big company You need someone on the outside helping ya unless you want to have thousands of consultants running around I Really need somebody from the outside me look. I ran a 700 person Organization yeah, you need help from the outside. Your really can't have like two good IT guys know what doing? You have no idea where you're saying this shit is hard. I mean forget about just the physical layer of keeping that working, the idiocy. You need two people full time for the idiots. We actually every office needs at least one person. I lost my password and my computer won't start. All this shit and then with Microsoft keeping compatible versions of Office are you kidding me?

52:59 So you know, then you have to have all the central install stuff and then people want laptops to be mobile and it's... Then that's the worst. Because how are you going to maintain that? Oh no! Hats off to the IT people of the world man. Shit! That is not an easy gig. They should send the wineware. No I'm serious. Speaking of Dutch the big G20 financial summit taking place today, Saturday November 15th 2008.

53:38 I was watching the Jim Lehrer thing. They had a long discussion about the G20 meeting and I did tape it, actually probably going to try to send you a disc of it or... It turned out too be too long for me to upload but... Go on I just would because I have some thoughts on it well So I have many thoughts but just I was gonna kind of ease into it by saying that I was reading this morning On the way back from the airport online cuz I'll just you know sir from my phone that young pay to Balkan end who is the prime minister of The Netherlands rushed back to Holland he You know, the conference has just started and he turned around on him back because his father passed away which is uh Which is sad but what I thought was

52:59 So you know, then you have to have all the central install stuff and then people want laptops to be mobile and it's... Then that's the worst. Because how are you going to maintain that? Oh no! Hats off to the IT people of the world man. Shit! That is not an easy gig. They should send the wineware. No I'm serious. Speaking of Dutch the big G20 financial summit taking place today, Saturday November 15th 2008.

53:38 I was watching the Jim Lehrer thing. They had a long discussion about the G20 meeting and I did tape it, actually probably going to try to send you a disc of it or... It turned out too be too long for me to upload but... Go on I just would because I have some thoughts on it well So I have many thoughts but just I was gonna kind of ease into it by saying that I was reading this morning On the way back from the airport online cuz I'll just you know sir from my phone that young pay to Balkan end who is the prime minister of The Netherlands rushed back to Holland he You know, the conference has just started and he turned around on him back because his father passed away which is uh Which is sad but what I thought was

54:30 Kind of interesting is, the Netherlands is not a G20 country. And there are several non-G20... It's like they call it the G20 like some secret club but then they invite everybody else I don't get it Other than that the Dutch Royal Family is part of the Illuminati and Hilderberg group Yeah yeah you know this bullshit So uh... The uh... You done? So they had a pretty good analysis of the professor and all of them were expats from someplace else. The one guy came up with an obvious, he says everything was fine right after World War II when there was the first meeting was G2 which was England and United States then they figured out how to do things. He said let's go back to G2 just United States and China figure it out because that is real crux of all this

55:26 of this problem is China and the United States. The rest of these guys are just, they have their own agendas he says nothing's gonna come out of this meeting- It's a photo op! Yeah it's going to be just a buncha guy arguing cause everyone has I outlined every one of these countries that are involved each one of them have their own financial mess and then they sit in there criticizing the US and his banks as the worst banks in the world apparently And like I think we blogged this or in England and Great Britain The American banking system is not as bad, especially the Germans who are just leveraged up to unbelievably leverage. It's just a fiasco."

56:09 So first of all, you can't have just a G2 with the US and China. It has to include the United Kingdom because the British Empire is in my mind largely responsible for a lot of what's happened in the financial sector globally and we cannot ignore the fact that Brown, Sarkozy, Merkel, Trichet who is the president of the European Central Bank they are literally calling for a new world order and a new world financial order where the IMF now they're saying. They want the IMF to be like the spider in the middle of the web of a new global financial system

56:56 And from what I understand, these guys have already kind of figured out what they want to do and out of this meeting this photo op will come and look for it in the press that Europe is going to say okay with Europe i'm gonna include Russia. Maybe China will go along with it They're gonna say okay here's how we're gonna run it IMF in the middle somehow...I guarantee you there's gonna be some carbon shit in there and then America will have like a hundred days to comply And then we either go along or we get kicked out. Something like that. Well, hopefully we won't go along and see what happens But oh the thing you were getting to was these with the financial bailouts and this is indeed just crazy So now we have the automotive industry wanting 50 billion dollars on top of the 25 billion dollars for retooling You know

57:49 You're so right, you know. What's next? It'll be the airline industry and then it will be... Who did you just say it was gonna be? Newspapers. Because of course there will no true news, no real news if they go away. Like there is any now. There was a day when we had horse and buggies! Those guys went away. They didn't get no bailout You know, sometimes shit just has to change. But it's not about cars! It's about the pension funds! The pension funds... What they don't want is they don't wanna screw millions of people out their pensions Out of their gold standard pensions And Obama who took millions of dollars from the unions will if Bush doesn't do it he'll do it He has too because its all about the UAW Great well you know they made the deal

58:38 And they're supposed to try it at least. But you know, I think they should probably just go bankrupt." I agree with you! I totally agree! You know but... you listen and say well you know you go bankrupt and you're gonna leave a bunch of these pensioners in soup lines it's going to be a disaster because there are lots of them there is way too many. Yeah but someone has to hurt who? Do we want to kill our childrens future by having it shit for everybody or can maybe find some kind middle ground but yeah someone has to hurt in all this And it's not the bankers. Well, you guys I know for a fact that won't be hurting are the executives who screwed it up! Yeah no of course they won't and also our government has a very different pension plan than you and I these senators and representatives they got a great pension plan yep and they have great health care yeah They should share the same shit their offering us maybe that would change it yeah yeah that's gonna happen so what else let's get off this topic

59:42 You come up with something. I don't have anything that's the funny thing about this week, I don't think anything interesting happened I thought it was a pretty slow-moving week is after the election you know you have the most anything is so we know Oprah and Michelle catfight Interesting thing It is isn't that terrible? That is kind of rough Let me just I'm heading to Portugal oh there's happening Yeah, I'm leaving on... yeah the trouble is they're running me through Frankfurt so i can't stop by. When are you going? What's the date? I'm leaving on tomorrow Really?! Oh shit! Then I'll be back next Monday so we have to push this show off until Monday night because I don't think I can do it uh... I just don't think that I am gonna have the bandwidth maybe Why not if your in Frankfort? Do you know what Frankfurt is? I'm not gonna be in frankfurter I'm gonna be in Lisbon

1:00:40 I've done shit from Lisbon, they're pretty wired. Yeah but i'm not going to be in Lisbon that long we're going out to visit all these high-tech companies all over the middle of nowhere. They should be wired out there but I don't know... I would like to point out that in 57 episodes or 56 so far not once have actually made us do the show NOT on a weekend and I travel a million miles and now you have one little measly trip and we have to do it on Monday? No if you look back we've done a number shows on Thursdays and you just don't, you're just obviously getting old. We did a number of shows on Thursdays and we've skipped it that we done a lot...we have done a couple Sunday shows I have to say And i do remember doing a Monday show But people who get out of whack man they got out of whack Well if you want look If it works out actually yeah I'll be around Saturday I'm gonna go to Holland with Patricia on Friday I wanna see the live show

1:01:39 But I'll be back Saturday. So if you want we can do it Saturday, Sunday or Monday's fine too. Okay well I'l try to do it on Saturday if I can. Just bring your headset! By the way how does this mic sound? You won't believe this... Well I didn't wanna take my whole Heil microphone and everything with me so I just took my little what is the name of this setup? It's the Lectro, its actually the wireless lav set that I always carry with me And I hooked it up to my Mac, so its input directly into the processing chain in Ableton Live. And I must have gotten 10 emails from people saying dude this microphone setup sounds like ten times better than your normal setup! So now i'm literally down to a pair of headphones and two little boxes with a lav microphone

1:02:27 And that's it. You're using a lav now? Well, I have it stuck on the mic stand so its not clipped onto my collar or anything. I'm just talking directly into it and I have to agree it sounds like a million times better and I got all kinds of outboard gear an external mixers. I think I gotta reevaluate my entire processing chain here at The Manor Well, there's a lot of new microphone technology showing up. Really? That uses MEMS What's MEMS? MEMS is Micro Electro Mechanical System These are the you know The DLP from Texas Instruments Is one of the first examples of a MEM Which is a semiconductor It's made like a semiconductor but it has moving parts And uh You know There's little mirrors on that thing Is that like nanotechnology

1:03:18 Sorry, yeah. It's nanotechnology in fact when you go to you find a lot of scales now that into somebody's high-end hotels You've seen them they're like expensive it looks like just a piece of glass and your step on it Yeah sure and there's no movement right? Yeah, you're right there is there's there's no your foot doesn't Depress anything No There's nothings depressors a man. There's a mem device in there And it tells you what you weigh Well, anyway. I think...I'm not sure because I've never really looked at it but one of the hottest microphones out there right now is the country man and the countryman Mike you've seen it everyone has seen these things they tend to be flesh colored

1:04:00 And it's a mic that wraps around your ear and it has got little bitty thing that comes in front of your mouth. And the thing is just like a pinpoint, extremely small little thing at the end. A lot of country and western singers use them almost everybody who does... Oh right! On their headsets sure? Oh really? They use it on lots of TV shows now I used to be against because they would never sound good but in theaters now When you go to a Broadway play or maybe the West End, sometimes you can see the mics. They're now becoming completely invisible and the sound is phenomenal! The sound on a country mic... because the first time I used one was about a year ago and somebody said these things are... yeah i've seen these things he says that you won't believe the sound so you use it and just sounds like a big condenser mic It's gorgeous the sound they cost about 350 bucks

1:04:55 and it's just a really nice microphone. And they're called Countrymen. You know thing in front of my face. You know it's a it's phallic almost John I mean the idea of having little puny little tiny dick mic It just doesn't feel right you know I got to have like a grab onto it there, and yeah move it around when you're talking Yeah, yeah, I guess you don't have you and Ed Sullivan So you have the big boom mics that were over their head? I got this email This is something I did want to talk to you about

1:05:35 Fuck, now I gotta find it. Apparently and there's some pictures circulating the net There is some so called technology and i say so called for a number of reasons Called like PPP or like progressive picture something or other I got to look up this email Where they've taken a video still Of an airplane flying you know one of the flight 177 Flying in just before it flies into the towers I'll see if i can find this fucking email. And then they're able to zoom in digitally as it were and render the faces in the cockpit, I'm surprised you haven't seen this because you certainly would have blogged it. I probably would have debunked it Oh well I totally think its fake but is I am receiving this from tons of people right now which is weird why can't find

1:06:29 I can't find one of these emails. Here we go, first ever images from cockpit, oh flight 175. I'm reminded of the uh you always get the biggest kick out of the TV shows that they'll have a You know they'll have some some crappy camcorder outside on a uh Of a gas station and then you know So they say okay and there's this typical CSI thing Okay zoom in You know, right? Zoom in. Okay CSI. Now enhance it and they get the license plate from two miles away Oh but dude those license plates here in the UK now every single gas station you go to you walk into pay and Right there There's a monitor And you see you know The past the previous 20 license plates that have gotten gas and you see your car right there on the pin of picture and you See their license plates been scanned

1:07:20 It's pretty amazing technology. Look at that link I just sent you Yeah, unfortunately my browser is not working and I think this stack is out of sync and I'd have to reboot the computer Oh shit! Anyway that might be something you want to blog too...I agree to debunk but I'm getting a lot of it But anyway that reminds me of this kind of thing where they say enhance it more okay The computer geek knows he has a special trick You know when they do that on what's-the-show Vegas? They used to, yeah they used to do that in Vegas. All the time. In fact they used to do all of the fancy stuff where they'd give them points and my other favorite one is run his prints through their database. And within two seconds... You know how long it takes to run prints? I don't know! It could take days! No wait a minute, don't you have like a monitor and then you have the fingerprints? Then he has this guy's face come up. Boing! Oh that's Jimmy! Match! Partial match!

1:08:19 You know the other one, the other pile of crap that's on TV all the time that I'm always amused by is they to create a point of interest or a point of suspense They do the, and actually my kids are all aware of this too. It's like the family collectively rolls its eyes when this one comes on. It's like a guy calls up he's like a kidnapper or something run a trace on his phone okay the traces is on and the guys goes hold him on the line! Hold him on the line! Keep them out a little longer oh we hung up you know disinformation comes over instantly with the call there's no tracing anymore. Ever hear of caller ID?

1:07:20 It's pretty amazing technology. Look at that link I just sent you Yeah, unfortunately my browser is not working and I think this stack is out of sync and I'd have to reboot the computer Oh shit! Anyway that might be something you want to blog too...I agree to debunk but I'm getting a lot of it But anyway that reminds me of this kind of thing where they say enhance it more okay The computer geek knows he has a special trick You know when they do that on what's-the-show Vegas? They used to, yeah they used to do that in Vegas. All the time. In fact they used to do all of the fancy stuff where they'd give them points and my other favorite one is run his prints through their database. And within two seconds... You know how long it takes to run prints? I don't know! It could take days! No wait a minute, don't you have like a monitor and then you have the fingerprints? Then he has this guy's face come up. Boing! Oh that's Jimmy! Match! Partial match!

1:08:19 You know the other one, the other pile of crap that's on TV all the time that I'm always amused by is they to create a point of interest or a point of suspense They do the, and actually my kids are all aware of this too. It's like the family collectively rolls its eyes when this one comes on. It's like a guy calls up he's like a kidnapper or something run a trace on his phone okay the traces is on and the guys goes hold him on the line! Hold him on the line! Keep them out a little longer oh we hung up you know disinformation comes over instantly with the call there's no tracing anymore. Ever hear of caller ID?

1:08:57 I mean, this is like from years ago. 20 years ago or maybe 30 years ago on almost every call whether you use caller ID or not there's enough information and the data that initiates the call that you know exactly what the number is and where it's coming from but they keep using this as a suspenseful note bull crap that I wish somebody would just bust it and say, you know at some point or unless they're trying to keep dumb criminals thinking that uh... you know. I don't know what the point of it is. No, I think its the condition you, yeah. Or it's just lame writing maybe thats it. Just lame writing. Cause I mean I can think a million conspiracy theories easy for that one. Easy!

1:09:46 Yeah, we talk about Echelon and all that stuff and we know that everything's being traced and tracked and recorded. Hey! That thing in Australia is really happening now John. They're implementing a test system as we speak. The censorship? Yes the censorship yeah... And I get emails from people and i'm amazed they say like well you know this is outrageous I've got to stop this I mean sure we should stop the kiddie porn scum it's the same thing like if they can It's not that hard to find out where a server is, okay? It's not that hard to take down the server with your military botnet. If people are processing credit cards it's just not that hard to figure it out and shut it down! Do NOT accept any type of filtering. DO NOT ACCEPT IT because the next thing... No third on the list- it's gonna be kiddie porn first and then it's our show John

1:10:39 Then it's like, yeah we can't have anti-Americanism and we can't have anti patriotic talk. That is the next thing that is going to happen! Well I'm surprised they are not blocked in the EU already? Well in the EU there are already absolutely public Wi-Fi that block certain sites you betcha! That has taken place. I don't know if you can block content that is like just a downloadable podcast. It's pretty hard to search that stuff, they'd have to actually go out of their way... ...to block us. No not at all! Curry dot com is now blocked on Vodafone

1:11:23 Is it? Yeah. But curry dot mevo dot com is not, you know we spend a lot of money this is the scam and by the way its only going to get worse We spend I'm gonna say between 40 and 50 thousand dollars a month to stay on whitelists for email whitelist for ISP blocking for netvanny strongmail you know it's fucking outrageous because these guys, it is a scam. They have set up with all the ISPs and big email companies like MSN and Gmail and they'll negotiate for you by proxy they will maintain the white list for all these companies because its business. It's absolute profitable business that are running and it's a scam

1:12:15 And now the government's gonna get into the game, watch. Yeah you're probably right it is a scam it's ridiculous I wish people realized that well the Australians are idiots if they're gonna let this happen thank you I'm glad you added that because uh I mean the Australians are always these tough guys and they always present themselves as such yeah oh hey mate pushed around like this is ridiculous they should storm the capital where's crocodile Dundee what the hell was that He should be going, hey mate! Don't feel dry internet. I'm making a trip down to Australia. I've promised my daily source code listeners. When? In 2009 because in the past year a lot of seemingly exciting energy technologies are popping out of Australia and a lot of magnet engines and stuff like that so i want to go see some of this stuff. I got the hydroxy booster, I know that works to a degree

1:13:19 So I'm gonna go and look at some of this magnet stuff. Yeah, these guys are doing... they got nothing near this what's down there? Sheep and kangaroos! And opal mines. Well get some... At least if nothing else you'll bring back some opals The thing though is that i've been asking my listeners to send me Australian porn This is the funny thing There's... so I'm like hey, send me some Australian porn point me... and there's only one porn site in all Australia Then why are they filtering anything Exactly They got nothing going on there in porn. They're obviously trying to repress the public's, uh... It always boils down to finding out who is voting for who and let's screw with the guys that vote against us and um... And the other thing which I would say one reason you don't want this government monitoring all of this stuff is Let's start monitoring private conversations of all venture capitalists and see what's up and we can make our investments appropriately With the money we just stole Yeah with the money we just stole

1:14:21 Did you see I posted on curry.com? I know you don't give a shit about anything I do Be my one actually it's on my flicker Flicker site, I had a meeting and I had to scan the business card Yeah, if you sent me that oh yeah, did you like it? Yeah, it was okay. I don't know what the point of it was. Well, it says Bear Stearns a JP Morgan company on the business card. If you're from New York finance that's just something you cannot believe you'd ever see. It is surreal and anyone at Bear Stearns would be like...that's impossible!

1:14:57 Anyway, a lot of Wall Street types I spoke to are saying this is the buying opportunity. Now is the buying opportunity of a lifetime which by the way I do agree with to some extent on real companies... That's what Buffett says. Yeah, I agree too. I wrote a column about this in Market Watch it says you know its funny that these experts always tell me when market starts going up your supposed like slowly sell off as it starts bang in the top, but nobody ever tells you to like do a little bottom feeding once in awhile. There's a lot of good companies right now. Intel at $13? I mean holy mackerel! Yeah it's gonna go up because these guys make the world go round. AMD is like two bucks. And those are...I'm not in the market and then me, I'm tired of it won't do it and I'm done with it but yeah that seems totally logical

1:15:45 You know, Intel... yeah right now it's tough because they got no orders. I mean that's logical we're going into a slowdown which by the way i think in hindsight depending of course on what the new financial system becomes but what was really happening is people are saving money good on you and now Walmart is doing layaways we talked about that a couple weeks ago They're doing layaway through their email marketing And people are keeping money in their pocket. You know, sure it's grinding the economy to a halt... So what? Shit is finally going to be affordable! For awhile

1:16:26 So, uh... there's a good blog post that we had of some guy. I can't remember his name but he is like one of these fairly famous as someone who is a good prognosticator and he ran down a horrible scenario for the next four years under Obama which concluded in 2012 where the best Christmas gifts were going to be- Was food? Yeah! Food Oh, thank you mommy. Thank you all a cupcake all cupcake I got a potato Potato I got a potato for Christmas What did you get well listen in the United States? We can't imagine this right but my father-in-law just turned 83 today and guys had a quintuple bypass pacemaker for 25 years But he was a 14 15 year old boy

1:17:14 in the second world war and he ate out of trash cans, we can't imagine that in the United States. Europe certainly remembers it's not that long ago you know there is a very different culture and food yeah just imagine and it can happen Well, you know people do still... the homeless still go to trash bins. Here's a story that you would be amused by The homeless still go to trash bins and grab stuff and my wife actually used to go to Monterey Foods trash bin because she had so damn many rabbits to feed literally Yeah That she'd get greens And she talked to these people and these homeless people would come in there get food for their family for whatever reason But the big complaint

1:17:57 was these groups of people and there was one highlighted on TV the other day in one of the you know that the public broadcasting station someone is no hyper liberal shows about how how this was a good thing this group of people in California called freegins And the freegins are dumpster divers. These are people, and this one guy bragged about it he was a professor I think at one of the colleges around here. I can't remember exactly which one. He seemed a little weird but he was a college professor. He makes like you know 100 plus thousand dollars a year and feels obliged to go into dumpsters and grab food because there's so much good food they showed him. He says look at this! This is absolutely fine apple

1:18:41 If you cut off the one side, it's very edible. And he was loading up... Meanwhile there are people homeless starving to death and these idiots who have all the money in the world for all practical purposes in terms of being able to go out and actually buy something and keep their economy going are dumpster diving because they're part of this freegan revolution. It's pathetic! No, what's really pathetic is I come home and Patricia says oh wow it was so beautiful yesterday they had a big telethon. The United Kingdom is great at telethons and they roll out you know they've got kind of got their Johnny Carson's you know they've got Sir Terry Wogan and he'll do something funny and the whole country watches and they raise 20 million pounds for poor children

1:19:28 I said to Patricia, isn't it crazy? We spend an entire evening. The whole country is engaged in raising this money People are pulling nickels and dimes and pounds and pence out of their pockets And they're sending in this money They're a part of the movement and they really want to try and achieve something and help the children Meanwhile 20 million pounds That's a fraction of 600 billion euros that they gave to fucking banks which was our money as well This just trips me out. Let one of them fail, fix health care feed the children save the gay whales we're done! Nah these executives they need their bailout and they're taking it a lot of yeah I knew they were late

1:20:16 They should be, these guys should be, you know this is if the ever really see a true depression where you get to 25% unemployment. These guys have abused the privilege To such an extent I've talked about it with some billionaire friends of mine about this and they're well aware of this possibility that The public could get to the point where they literally storm Atherton and burn down mansions and kill people. I mean, this happened during the French Revolution. This is not the kind of thing that doesn't ever happen where the rich people are literally attacked in mass by hordes of angry people

1:20:54 uh... because they have to sensually abuse the system which many of them have done it wasn't like some point out this year that a house when we are coca took over i guess it was for whatever he you know he says my salary is going to be a dollar a year until i fix this company nobody does that anymore steve jobs see jobs the works for a dollar each house is the last one but the rest of these guys is no i'm gonna make his i'm gonna make three hundred million dollars here and i want every bonus possible and then i went to golden parachutes in gold and everything so if i quit you gotta give me another half-a-billion and then they will be known the next thing you know they got three or four we jots and they gotta big mansion this ridiculously large as state can use so this uh... this corroborates my theory

1:21:36 about what happened with the public servants Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross. So remember, Jonathan Ross who makes six million pounds a year for doing a talk show on Friday night and a couple of radio shows on the Public Broadcaster the BBC it's always been a point of discussion but now everyone is so fed up with all these you know these guys taking hundreds of millions in salary and fucking everybody That, you know they go for the lowest hanging fruit and the minute Jonathan Ross screws up and it's just not funny. Forget if he insulted anyone it just wasn't funny The whole country goes ape shit like oh this is ridiculous and blah blah And its the first step towards exactly what your saying John Yeah riots The only difference in the United States the citizens have guns

1:22:27 Well, it's gonna be worse in the United States. I mean there is a problem with the United States if you... A lot of people haven't noticed this but Obama has his citizen militia that he wants to put together Oh geez! This is huge go ahead talk about it I love this Yeah and this was brought up in Colorado In July he first brought this up and its never really been denied And if you dig around on the website You can find it right there I'm going to barackobama.com right now It's on the website He wants to put together a citizen, which I consider to be brown shirts by the way. A citizen militia bigger than the military and better funded to protect the country internally in other words national police or called whatever they're going to be called. Yep! I think it's listed under... Nobody has, except for a few right-wing talk guys and a couple of articles you can look this up on Google

1:23:26 Anybody out there wants to get into it and you can read the whole comment the whole thing Barack said in Colorado in July and Nobody has seems to be too upset about this. It's am going what are you kidding me? We're gonna put together a national police force bigger than the US military, better funded for what? Don't we have local police already I mean don't they do the job of keeping us from getting robbed or whatever pull over drug traffic tickets. What are these guys going to do? John i mean the truthers or conspiracy theorists out there have been screaming about this This is the problem! I can't even get this message to you were out here man where talking about this shit

1:24:09 Specifically this issue. I don't think people care! I don't think they...I think the problem is that they haven't been told to care They're at a point right now, unless the major media which is basically Barack Obama's public relations agency decide to tell people they care, they're not going to care. Now I think that the thing is that once any of these things try... Once they try to implement any of these things and talk is cheap and Barack Obama's list of things he's gonna do is huge! He said we're gonna do this, we're gonna fix this, we're gonna get Bosama The list is long and once they start to implement one of these things, I think you know there may be some evidence that the media's gonna think twice about it. Their situation because they're the biggest targets

1:24:56 The first thing you do is you wipe out the reporters or make sure they're on your side. No, that'll never happen! Are you kidding me? That's not how the show... If you're going to broadcast a show... Yeah, that's what you're saying. Oh yeah, that's a better way of saying it but no I look at it from an entertainment standpoint They are not gonna get rid of their transmitter They need the broadcasts to keep the show going and that's how it works Television actually that's a big part We had this discussion in New York, so we're about to switch to digital television. And no one ever talks about why or what the significance of that is. But the radio industry at least has figured out one part of that You'll notice that radio is not transitioning to digital audio broadcast, it's already available but its essentially failed and I'l tell you why Because television of course IS used for indoctrination and there are other money flowing in those circles but on radio It pretty much comes from selling shit to your audience during drive time

1:25:52 When you go to DAB, you've just diluted the entire offering. The whole reason why radio stations were able to make money until alternate forms of media came along is because they had control over a limited resource. The FM band goes from 88 to 107! That's it and you have to have some spread in there so that can only be so many radio stations or there was so much money to be made And when you go to digital, it dilutes that. So the radio guy said no way! So what's going to happen with digital television? No one ever talks about why this was so necessary Why do we have to all switch to digital? John C. Dvorak You certainly would be an expert in this Yeah...you'd think Well the purported reason is they free up some bandwidth That they can auction off so the government can get more money Really

1:26:49 Yeah, but it's a drop in the bucket. Through your paranoid analysis you're gonna tell us that the absolute fact was it has something to do with crowd control? Well I don't know... maybe What are you thinking? Why are we making this switch? The only thing I can imagine is that, well it can't be... Here's what i know. It doesn't make sense if you're gonna have more basically there are going to be more channels available That does not behoove the media in any way So that's what I know it can't be for. Can't be for the media they cant' be liking it so it has to be some government idea and im not saying I know what it is but it just doesn't make sense

1:27:44 Well, you're right. It's not bad enough that there are 500 channels and you can't find anything on it that is good but now there will be even more because in fact the local public broadcasting station here KQED went on their digital thing and they have four channels They got the regular channel, public broadcasting channel. Then they have a version of bunch of old used stuff and then they have kids thing and they have world version and lifestyle. I mean it's... And lot of these channels are... One of them one of the stations I think it's I don't know if it's four or five, maybe it's four or two. Anyway they have their main channel and then they have a weather channel that is the sub-channel and then they have a channel that just has cameras around the bay It's like you know okay well its good use of it I guess You can do that on the internet So the other end of it John is that they free up so called white space

1:28:39 which now can be turned into some kind of super Wi-Fi, maybe that's the plan there. As we turn that into the super Wi-Fi, the all encompassing network IE internet version 2 which is not quite as open and uncontrolled as what we have today It's a long term project but hey it's possible Digital also makes it a little easier I think to control content with usage flags and DRM. Tracking, know who's watching what... that could be possible. Okay it is from an Obama speech that he gave on July 2nd the quote from the speech we cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we set

1:29:25 We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, and just as well-funded. People of all ages stations and skills will be asked to serve. Yeah nobody's like... outraged Nobody's outraged. Where was McCain? He's running against this guy, you know there is another example of why this election was probably rigged with him not going you know let's bring in just make do everything we can to lose and well by the way don't bring up anything like that that might get you some... You have McCain brought stuff like that up and also had voted against the bailout he'd be president he'd be the guy elected

1:30:07 Meanwhile in the National Enquirer, there are some fuzzy yet very obvious pictures of Cindy McCain making out with some other guy. Clearly younger. That was hot! That was in The Inquirer? Yeah I gotta start buying this magazine, man. This is good! There's some good shit there. The other ones are both the John Edwards thing nobody was gonna touch It's another thing the media wasn't going to touch This guy is having babies while running for president with strange women who are crackpots and nobody's gonna cover it because well you know we couldn't do it

1:30:43 Meanwhile, the Inquirer puts a few private detectives on the case and they get pictures of him with the baby. We talked about this last week right after the show Barney Frank I'm sure you've seen this guy he was one of the two... He was on the thing is that chairman of the finance committee or whatever it was? Yeah banking The banking committee right here's the guy the big heavy fat guys going And he got into a big fight with O'Reilly on Fox, which was pretty funny. So this guy has been in... He's a congressman right? Yeah! So he's been in government for almost three decades at least But you know, in the 80s

1:31:26 He had male prostitutes in public buildings blowing him. A prostitution ring was being run out of his apartment in the Beltway area You know, it's like the guy is totally blackmailable for his crazy ass behavior. He's not hiding anything. No he's not hiding it but there was all kinds of inquiries. But he's a total sleazeball! Yeah thank you that's the word I mean nothing against gay sex and nothing against prostitutes but come on these are things that make you blackmailable when your into fucked up shit and weird circles

1:32:06 You know, and no one ever brings that up. No one ever says oh by the way guy's kind of interesting it's worth a little background human interest story on him Well maybe the inquirer you know the problem with these papers is that they only delve into politics once in awhile to test the waters and see if they're going to get any more newsstand sales because thats a newstands sales vehicle. It's very European in that regard a lot of people don't realize that most magazines in Europe are sold at the newsstands not by subscription and a lot of it, a lot of the headlines are based on you know if it bleeds it leads but man if you can get a politician having weird sex in like the garage or somewhere else I mean that's the stuff people love

1:32:51 And it seems to me that, you know if the National Enquirer in particular since they do have the resources and they're very aggressive about pursuing stories would do a little more politically. Maybe it's a good sign that their going into this Oprah versus Michelle thing. They maybe should bump around some other stuff because the regular media is not covering any of this as proven by John Edwards thing and oh by the way when finally broke in the National Enquirer, you should have heard all the apologists on all these talk shows on TV representing the real media. Well they paid for that... We could read about it but we didn't know what to do about it and we decided to cover Sarah Palin's kid.

1:33:36 Yeah, yeah. Now you're so right and by the way it would go ahead I'm just saying if the National Enquirer Would just step up and you know because they do mostly celebrity gossip They step it up a notch And you know just at least you know where these once in issue bust into something? I think that we dig there'd be kind of interesting to see what would come of it Well, it's clear that the tabloids are going to do it. And as I said this is a good moment to wrap up actually because that's kind of how we started the show by saying... I like this. I like the fact that this cult of personality is now going into perhaps the real true print media and you know what? It's okay to buy these things because they're entertaining as well, the one thing they really do well if they go out of their way to get the perfect picture for

1:34:28 for the headline. You know, Michelle Obama looks like she has... you know they almost could draw horns out of her forehead you know they got on a really really mean looking pose and there's a lot of fluff just gotta pass over the fluff the coke up Paula Abdul's nose which by the way looks pretty true um yeah there is a lot of stuff that is just lame but then get to be the Obama and uh... or the Michelle Obama and Oprah pictures in the judge it's funny I mean you have to laugh out loud when you see it I've got Greg Norman kissing Chris Everett and he's sticking his tongue out like a little fucking lizard. Yeah, that's humorous! That's really humorous. See? That's where their bread-and-butter is. It's a great picture He's like gonna French kiss her but they catch you in mouth half open tongue just coming out and looks really sleazy Oh my goodness... yeah well there you go we come full circle

1:33:36 Yeah, yeah. Now you're so right and by the way it would go ahead I'm just saying if the National Enquirer Would just step up and you know because they do mostly celebrity gossip They step it up a notch And you know just at least you know where these once in issue bust into something? I think that we dig there'd be kind of interesting to see what would come of it Well, it's clear that the tabloids are going to do it. And as I said this is a good moment to wrap up actually because that's kind of how we started the show by saying... I like this. I like the fact that this cult of personality is now going into perhaps the real true print media and you know what? It's okay to buy these things because they're entertaining as well, the one thing they really do well if they go out of their way to get the perfect picture for

1:34:28 for the headline. You know, Michelle Obama looks like she has... you know they almost could draw horns out of her forehead you know they got on a really really mean looking pose and there's a lot of fluff just gotta pass over the fluff the coke up Paula Abdul's nose which by the way looks pretty true um yeah there is a lot of stuff that is just lame but then get to be the Obama and uh... or the Michelle Obama and Oprah pictures in the judge it's funny I mean you have to laugh out loud when you see it I've got Greg Norman kissing Chris Everett and he's sticking his tongue out like a little fucking lizard. Yeah, that's humorous! That's really humorous. See? That's where their bread-and-butter is. It's a great picture He's like gonna French kiss her but they catch you in mouth half open tongue just coming out and looks really sleazy Oh my goodness... yeah well there you go we come full circle

1:35:26 We I guess we just have to keep our eye on alternative media. Yeah, including bloggs and whatever yeah All right yep. I'm rolling the rolling the theme music John all right so Maybe not next weekend at the latest Monday And but it'll be early Monday because we're gonna both be in Europe or you can be back in San Francisco then probably bangin San Francisco So when do you come back? You come back Monday or Sunday? I come back Monday early No, it can't be early. It'll be afternoon so won't...it will be too late maybe If you're gonna have back until 3 in the afternoon is going to be a... I have to do..I'll have to stay up Midnight Well i'll stay up for ya But I try to do something. I bring gear with me and I try to do this show when we get... It may...It wont sound as good as does with this little system here but it will be uh...i think we can manage something Well if only use the Mac I could set you up with really good setup See I like...the machine I carry on road is 2 pounds

1:36:24 You know, it's two pounds. And it's like I can't find anything that is this light and when you travel especially internationally everything is weight they weigh everything so I just travel light So no not gonna happen Not even with an air book huh or a Mac Air or whatever now? No, thanks useless doesn't have enough connectivity if I agree Alright John, good talking to you as always. And coming to you from the affluent suburb of Surrey in the United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and I am up here in Northern Silicon Valley, Northern California. I'm John C. Dvorak and we will talk to you again in about seven or eight days right here on NO Agenda