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00:00 I'm sitting here in the back of the class, I'm gonna make a meme! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, September 12th, 2013, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 547! This is no agenda. Acting exceptional as expected here in the Travis Heights hideout in the capital of the drone star state, Austin Tejas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I can see everything, I'm John C. Dvorak. That's right everybody it is Thursday morning 1107 here in Austin, Texas and 907 and get my nation west and I give it about five minutes until we start being unable to speak to each other

00:50 Yes, possible. The hacker is pinging us now. We could have done two shows yesterday during our test moments. Yeah, we should have done two shows. And if things start to break up, we're just going to stop and we're just going to continue tonight. That could happen. Yeah, it could happen. So yes, um so so John um I do have the I do have the clip of the day And and you start right off with it wait a minute wait a minute you want to spew all over me from the get-go Well, you were not gonna. Give it to me, so I might as well We've been noticing the two Obamas have a different way of using H's Yes, we have the one Obama who? can't pronounce it and the other Obama who I

01:41 really exaggerates it. Yes, I have an example of the other Obama. And he's the one who gave the speech. You walk down the aisle, past the vending machines and up to the podium. Was shot in such a manner so that it actually looked like he was wearing a crown, which was the chandelier in the background. Yeah, well, that's the crown he has planned. So see if you can spot the H-gaff in the Obama clip. And our ally Israel can defend itself with overwhelming force. as well as the unshakable support of the United States of America.

02:19 I had the same clip, so I'll give it to you and I'll take a little bit of the corner if you don't mind. I wasn't expecting that. What is the sheport? I don't know what the sheport is, but you can expect sheport. It was the Shabbat Shalom Sheport. Let me listen to that again. That was really funny when I heard that. Our ally Israel can defend itself with overwhelming force as well as the unshakable sheport of the United States of America. that's the fact that he says the word unshakable he also exaggerates the s at the age a little bit right because this is the the warmongering obama yeah that's which one we have you got to get out of this you can hear here's the uh... is the other of our small items that are at work the world's at a red line the world's set a red line when governments represent ninety eight percent of the world's population said the use of chemical weapons are abort

03:15 and passed a treaty. And you know people are sending in, and no he meant to say aberrant, I'm like no, no he didn't mean to say aberrant. He meant to say abhorrent. Yeah, he meant to say abhorrent. There's no doubt about it. I'm glad we played it right now because several people said, you are full of crap! It's the same guy, by the way. Yeah, that one guy. I don't know why he keeps even listening to the show. You're so full of crap! He said abhorrent! No, no, he pretty much wanted to say abhorrent. And just forgot. And by the way, the word abhorrent doesn't fit into the structure of that sentence. No, it fits in a description but not in the structure of the sentence. I agree.

03:53 Well there's a couple things when it comes to the, I mean you want to talk about where we're at with all of this which was kind of an exciting turn of events although I think I recall the discussion on this show saying don't worry no World War III stay calm nothing's going to happen. Did we not say exactly that? Yeah I think so I think we said it we're obviously gonna make a pool of bet on it but I think we both agreed nothing was gonna happen. My view of this thing now with this crazy event that took place, and I want to reiterate something I said probably six months ago or longer. We were very concerned about the intelligence community's infiltration of the media.

04:44 I had proposed, because you had completely, you were on board with the ABC being part of the Obama administration. This, by the way, the concern is not relinquished or it's not gone away. I mean, the concern is still there. No, no, it's a fact. Yes, complete. But we were talking about it more. We don't talk about it as much. Fact! Fact. I was always seeing CBS, the CIA broadcasting system, as really the key to this more than ABC. Even though I think ABC was a good propaganda tool for the White House and NBC of course for a while until computer town bought them, or cable town.

05:29 I think it's Computer World. Computer World bought them. And now GE is kind of out of the picture, but I think it's still a board member. Whatever the case, it's always CBS. So when this little crazy episode came up, I re-evaluated the whole Kerry making the suggestion that we should go, you know, we should they should give them to give away their chemical weapons and then it would be good to go. There's two there were two distinct narratives that had contradicted each other at some point and they had to be it had to be resolved somehow before CBS sent Charlie Rose somehow to Syria. And I just want to say because I have clips from that obviously because you know you saw almost nothing of that on the mainstream because Assad was so good

06:24 Did you see the whole interview? No, I didn't. I didn't watch the whole interview. And of course you haven't seen any of it. But why didn't, you know, if this guy is so horrible, why didn't they give Charlie Rose like a poisonous rose or a poisonous pin prick? Yeah, or yeah. Hey, would you like this coffee, Bashar? Look, I'm sipping it over here. I mean, come on. This is, this is, it was crazy to see Charlie Rose sitting there with the horrible dictator who slaughters his own people. I got a mindfuck from that. Well, I, I, here's what I got out of it.

07:01 CBS is so embedded that it's unbelievable. First of all, here's one of the reports I have, let's see. Play the, this is a little bit of Charlie Rosen, Scott Pally introducing some woman, it's correspondent, who's in Syria, in Damascus, and I'm thinking, well just play this and I'll tell you what I'm thinking. It's not only Syria, because it will start in Syria. To do anything to prevent the region from having another crazy war. Yes. That interview was Sunday. Assad at that moment, as you saw, would not confirm or deny the existence of chemical weapons. But in the last 24 hours, Syria has confirmed that it has chemical weapons and it has pledged to put them under international control.

07:45 We got more detail on that today from Damascus with the Syrian foreign minister who made a speech on television Our Elizabeth Palmer is in Damascus tonight, and she was there to listen to the speech Liz. What were some of the details? Well, mr.. Marlon was pretty categorical. Okay, you just stop it stop just a bit I just want to point out All we've been hearing about is how hard it is to get in there to do any reporting and nobody can do this, nobody can do that, you can't get into Damascus, they won't let the media in, they don't trust American media in particular. Now we have CBS and then if we listen to this report where PBS interviews Rose about how they got in and the whole thing and if you listen to the subtext all you hear is

08:35 intelligence agency of some sort. I mean, you just listen to the way Rose won't say things while saying things. I'm sorry, what am I playing here? This is the PBS interviews Rose as news. Oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't find it there. Okay. Congratulations, Charlie. This was an interview every news organization wanted. How difficult was it to arrange? Very difficult, Judy. But in the end, what happened is that I basically said to them, look, for my program, we will do an unedited interview for 53 minutes, an hour. Same thing I did with the President of the United States. Well, I got to stop right there.

09:15 I found this very hard to believe. The total running length of the interview was 57 minutes and about 15 seconds. And there were so many opportunities for this thing to be edited, I am skeptical, skeptical that this is the entire interview. And they had multiple cameras, so I think it's very easy for them to cut in and out of it. So I'm not buying that this was 53 minutes or whatever it was claimed. It doesn't make any difference whether they did or not, they got the interview. Yes. And that was acceptable. They'd had some experience in which they felt like an interview had been sort of manipulated. And so without getting into that, I said, I'll give you an unedited interview. What the president says will be on the program.

09:55 and they agreed to that and then we had the deal to make, to come to Damascus and do the interview. I only got the approval literally the day before I left so it was not easy. Lots of conversations took place and we went there. I took Jeff Fager, the chairman of CBS News and my friend and my executive producer at 60 Minutes with me. CBS provided a lot of help for me. Did they have Dennis Rodman there as well? Because I think he easily could have been on board with this little... So they did a lot of meetings, and he's got this guy, this guy who's the head of CBS News, who I think is the guy to be looking at. Right, what's his name? And also the producer of 60 Minutes. There's also his buddy who put him on the 60 Minutes show, for whatever reason. Right. And he's the guy who also got him over to Syria. There's a lot of people

10:42 In the news media, I can assure you in broad... You would agree with this, that are very annoyed by this. Oh yeah. Charlie Rose. We got all these interviews that are high profile, they're not just softballers. I want you to send Larry King over there. Why didn't they send Diane Sawyer? Totally. Well, she's on ABC. That's one reason. But there's other people at CBS they could have brought. But it's obviously a CBS... this is a CBS script. And I'm now more than ever convinced that CBS is really the point man for the intelligence community. It makes sense because they are not squarely in the in the O camp.

11:31 Like ABC? No, not at all. They are the ones that cracked open... Remember Fast and Furious? It was a CBS report that first really started to lay stuff down. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, yeah, that could totally be their mission. So is there any more on that clip? Yeah, there's like four minutes left. Oh, it's too much. No, I was gonna cut it. There's a point where there's a natural cut. I just decided. Let me play a few choice clips. I have four here from... Goodbye, Love. I have four clips from the actual interview. And if you look at the interview, the pieces that have been played on, I think, primarily CBS. I don't know if they've released it to other... Well, PBS, of course. I don't know if they've released it to other networks.

12:17 At this point, it's kind of, you know, how could you not let them play it? But I thought Assad was really, really good. He, I mean, the guy, seriously, if either one of us drops dead, bring him in. You know, the funny thing about that, I just can't deal with that list. And he's obviously taught English by a Castilian Spaniard. And the thing is, he's a dentist. You should get that fixed. I didn't know. Yeah, so and it was his birthday yesterday, although the interview of course was done. Wait, wait, it was Assad's birthday yesterday? What date was that? That would be, oh, I don't know, 9-11, September 11th is his birthday. Yeah. Wow. All right, so the couple of bits here that I thought were really funny

13:02 And he's essentially just throwing everything back in Charlie Rose's face. And I will say, Rose actually believes everything he's saying, which is a little creepy when you hear some of the questions. But this is where Assad just got into Charlie Rose's face in a very funny way. If he does. If he presents that evidence. This is where you can discuss the evidence, but he doesn't have. He didn't present it because he doesn't have. Kerry doesn't have. No one in your administration has. If they had it, they would have presented it to you as media for the first date. They have presented it to the Congress.

13:37 Nothing. They have shown the Congress what they have and the evidence they have from satellites, intercepted messages and the like. Nothing presented. Nothing has been presented so far. They have presented to Congress, sir. You're a reporter. Get this. evidence. I love this. Of course we have not seen any of the secret evidence that has been shown only to Congress because you know secretly yes as citizens you know obviously. Why is it such a big secret? Well Bashar is calling him out he's like there's no evidence isn't presented hey you're a reporter go get it and show it to your people and Rose is like

14:17 They're presenting it to the public representative. You don't show your evidence and what you're doing and your plans to other people within your own council. They're showing it to the people's representative who have to vote on an authorization to strike, and if they don't find the evidence sufficient... First of all, we have the president, of Colin Powell 10 years ago when he... So now he's doing a very smart thing saying look Colin Powell held up this I mean they had all the secret evidence they had the satellite photos they showed it then why not this time? Showed the evidence it was false and it was forged this is first. Second you want me to believe American evidence and don't believe the indication that we have we live here this is our reality. Your indications are that what? Sorry? What your indications are that was

15:07 that the rebels or the terrorists used the chemical weapons in northern Aleppo five months ago. Alright, so then he goes into his kind of stand and spiel. And of course Assad's problem, although here is a guy who is speaking English, you know, and it is absolutely understandable, the lisp and the projection is a huge issue, it doesn't come across as very forceful. But the things that he says, if you listen through the lisp, there's another one where it's just in your face. Now his stance is that these are terrorists from outside the country who are fighting against his regime and we know that at least the United States has been helping them with non-lethal aid, although today Reuters reports that we are now supplying them with small arms

15:54 We had a clip of almost a month ago of somebody kind of accidentally admitting that we're supplying lethal aid. Right, right. Which we named the show Lethal Aid. Lethal Aid, exactly. Less than a month ago, I think maybe three weeks ago. So here's Asad on why this war is lasting so long. For their terrorism and for their killing and beheading and so on. Why has this war lasted two and a half years? because of the external interference. Because there's an external agenda supported by, or let's say led by, the United States, the West, the petrodollar countries, mainly Saudi Arabia, and before was Qatar, and Turkey. That's why it lasted two years and a half. So the guy is basically saying, hey, you know, the reason why it's taking so long is because you keep financing these a-holes.

16:48 That's why we're trying to beat them down, but you keep financing them. And then of course, Rose, and this was really interesting, where he cannot get it past his mind that this army of Assad is run by him, they are the loyalists, they'll do anything, they're like Nazi Sturmbannfuhrer troopers, they're just going to go kill, we are killing, and Assad calls him out on it again. But a human. or Superman, which is not the case. Or you have a powerful army. The army made of the people. It cannot be made of robots. It's made of people. Surely you're not suggesting that... He's like, the army is not made of robots, Charlie. They're made of people. I can't force them to do everything. They're people at the end of the day. They're not robots. This army is not at your will and the will of your family. How can you... What do you mean by the will of the family?

17:43 the will of your family. The brother is in the military. The military has been at, I mean, every observer of Syria believes that this is a country controlled by your family and controlled by the Alawites who are your allies. That's the control. If that situation is correct, what you're mentioning, we wouldn't have withstand 40 years and a half. We would have disintegration of the army, disintegration of the whole institution in the States. We would have disintegration of Syria, if that's the case. And I think he's making a valid point here.

18:24 You know, there's even, just look on the social medias, as they'd say in Washington, about our own armed forces and their armed forces saying publicly, like, we're not going to do this. We are going to revolt against going into Syria or doing, even doing X, Y, or Z. I mean, you know, at a certain point you can only push your own people so far. I think it's a valid point that he's making, but it's very hard for people who have been indoctrinated And Charlie Rose is certainly one of them to even consider the fact that maybe you know the army wouldn't want to do that well This is exactly why Rose was picked. Yes, because he's he is a robot. He is the robot and he He reflects I think it's the top-down reflection. I think it starts at Obama, but Carrie and I have a clip here the regime clip Carrie has a

19:20 doesn't quite get it himself and so when he tries to even express what I think Rose is expressing in the question, you end up with this crazy, I think the John Kerry flub of the day, which is him responding to a question with this crazy answer. Under any circumstances, the Assad regime is the Assad regime. And the regime issues orders, and we have high-level regime that have been giving these instructions and engaging in these preparations.

19:59 with results going directly to President Assad and we're aware of that so we have no issue about the question here of Responsibility there is none the Assad regime is the Assad regime Wow he says there is none. Did you hear a little flubby mate? Yeah? We have no question of responsibility there is not but what he meant was of course There's no question what he meant when he says there is none what he meant was there is no question Yeah, but but the way it was put together that structure was there is no responsibility Because the human body and mind don't want to be untruthful. He can't help himself I just have one more clip of this Rose interview and and then I'll be done with it But again, this is not something unless you watch the PBS interview

20:49 Which I think, I saw 3,700 views online, I don't know what their TV ratings are but it's not high. And it was not propagated this because it was a pretty good rebuttal. No, you don't want to, look, we're in a situation. situation where we have to be lockstep obots, talking about that sort of thing, and we can't be distracted by some guy who might be sympathetic. Exactly. Alright, here's the war of words between the term opposition and terrorism. And Bashar al-Assad knows quite a bit about what's going on in the US and the UK and France. You can't allow the idea that there is opposition to your government from within Syria. That is not possible for you to imagine. To imagine that we have opposition? Yes. We have it, and you can go and meet with them. We have some of them within the government, we have some of them outside the government. They are opposition.

21:52 We have it. But those are the people who have been fighting against you. Opposition is different from terrorism. Opposition is a political movement. Opposition doesn't mean to take armament and kill people and destroy everything. Do you call the people in Los Angeles in the 90s, do you call them rebels or opposition? What would the British call the rebels? less than two years ago in London. Did they call them opposition or rebels? Why should we call them opposition? They are rebels. They are not rebels even. They are terrorists. They are behaving. Is opposition, opposing country or government by behaving, by barbecuing head, by eating the hearts of your victim, is that opposition? What do you call the people who attacked the 2011th of September? Opposition? Even if they are not American, I know this, but some of them, they have I think national

22:45 nationality. I think one of them has American nationality. Is that true? Did one of the hijackers have the American nationality? Did I miss something? There was that one guy who wasn't on any of the planes that lived in Minnesota or something, remember they dragged him into court and threw him in the slammer? But what he's saying is so right, he's saying, hey you know if you're gonna drone some American in the desert and you call him a terrorist, you don't call him the opposition even though he hasn't even done anything. I mean come on, this is actual sensical talk. Yes, as opposed to care to carry and and in rows and I did you read Vladimir Putin's op-ed in the New York Times today No, I'll bring it up. Oh, okay. I have it here. There's a couple of heat So he responds to the entire New York Times by the way is somehow Again, I see here's another little tidbit We were pretty convinced that the New York Times has always been very closely associated with the CIA. Yes, and

23:46 And they've been running some kind of anti-administration material, including that front page shot of the Syrian rebels. The execution shot. Execution shot of these shooting these helpless soldiers. I think something's up here. So here is, it's called a plea for caution from Russia and it says by Vladimir V Putin By the way, if I could trade, I think I would like him. I mean, he's a douche. He might be good as an American president. Maybe we could do a celebrity president swap or something. Just take him for a while.

24:24 Well, I'm not buying into this one. I like the whole submarine. I'd like to see us have a president who's actually a good American. Oh, well, please. This is why we can have Putin. What difference does it make? It's kind of what you would expect. Just a couple of choice pieces from this Op-ed written by Hill and Nolten or one of the boys Yes, no matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons civilian casualties are inevitable including the elderly and the children from whom the strikes are meant to protect You know, so he hits on all the all the points, but then he says I studied He actually says these you know his

25:07 His working with President Obama is, you know, it's getting better. We're cooperating. But that he listened very closely to the president's speech. And I heard this piece too, and I also went like, hmm. You know, I've heard of our special relationship and different types of terms that we use to describe America. But the president said this. Franklin Roosevelt once said, our national determination to keep free of foreign wars and foreign entanglements cannot prevent us from feeling deep concern when ideals and principles that we have cherished are challenged. Our ideals and principles, as well as our national security, are at stake in Syria, along with our leadership of a world where we seek to ensure that the worst weapons will never be used. America is not the world's policeman.

26:11 Terrible things happen across the globe, and it is beyond our means to right every wrong. But when, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death, and thereby make our own children safer over the long run, I believe we should act. That's what makes America different. That's what makes us exceptional. With humility, but with resolve, let us never lose sight of that essential truth. Thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. Now here's what President Putin says, he says, my working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust and I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday and I would rather disagree with the case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States policy is, quote, what makes America different, it's what makes us exceptional, unquote.

27:08 It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, wherever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us all equal. I mean, this is good. This is good stuff and I agree. I think it's good stuff for whether let's point out a couple of things here. Well, first of all, I also feel when you say we are exceptional, I think the president positioned us above the rest of the world with that and that's extremely arrogant. Well, this is absolutely nothing new.

27:52 So I don't think that's important one way or the other. What do you mean? I think it's nothing new. We talk about American exceptionalism, all the presidents do, and they do it commonly, and they've been doing it all of history since Monroe. Well, they're all assholes then. Well, Monroe is actually is an asshole. There's some in between that are probably okay. But there's a couple things here that are weird. One is that he's talking about democratic traditions and then he's, I guess he's bringing Russia, a communist state, into that, run by a dictator, him, into that fold. Yes, of course he is. Which I thought was a pretty well... This to me, it does not have any of Putin's voice that I can tell. No, but it's the... This is written by somebody out of New York. Yeah, it's the mirage that is Putin, but that's good. I mean, we

28:40 We know the only thing the guy can do is fish and hunt. I'm not absolutely sure what the point of this op-ed is. Well, I think it's just more of the same tactics we've been seeing. The FUFU. Isn't that... the fact that the New York Times is publishing it, I think is remarkable as an op-ed. I think the line in here that's the funny line My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. Come on! That's where he puts himself, 10 feet above Obama, by saying that. I have nothing but respect for this psychological warfare that is going on. It is very good. Yeah, it could have been better.

29:35 Well, if they had called the Curry-Dvorak consulting group, perhaps. Yeah, I think we could have beefed it up, got a little more attention. Much better in that case. It's pretty bland. Of course. Hey, PR lady who did this, it's bland. Although it did get Curry's attention. And do you have on the web... On the web version of this, I don't have the print in New York Times, there's a graphic of a hand. Yeah, the red hand. Oh, okay, it's black and white on mine. Is it the red hand? Black and white on the web, too. But whose red hand is it? This is a spot art that somebody put there. You know, the red hand behind Carrie. I have no idea.

30:21 Might not even be a red hand could be a black hand which is what it is. I don't think it's significant I think it's just some spot art. Did you say hey? Let's just break this op-ed up and put a hand in there That's what you like to put a little piece of art there Yeah, I think it's funny as they have enlarged this image next to it like who cares oh now. It's bigger It's a big hand oh Wait a minute you missed it the hands got a missile. I see it you're right a missile streaking across that I see it now interesting Yeah, all these things are subtle, but in this type of psychological warfare I think they matter. What's the point of the missile? There's probably these fingers, the shadows on the fingers, probably is somebody's head too. The one on the far right looks like Brezhnev.

31:11 And then the one in the long finger, the middle finger, looks like a guy's eyeball and there's a mouth underneath there and he's staring at you. One eye. We should analyze this. Someone else should analyze this for us. We're no good at this. But I think there may be something in there. The one in the far left, it looks like a knight or a knave. He's looking to the left. He's got a little hat on. He's got armor on and he's standing on a ball. He does look like a chess piece. Now if you look at the middle finger, doesn't that look a bit like it's half of Obama's profile? It's a half of a face I think with an eyeball looking at it. I don't see the Obama in there though. I'm looking at the small version. Well maybe if you know, at the very top if you just go to that top digit there it looks like it could be an Obama head. Yeah, yeah.

32:00 Anyway, yeah, this is artists. Wow. Wow. Okay. And the funny thing, of course, is, you know, this whole back and forth between and now now it if it isn't obvious to everybody, you know, now you can see that this is America against Russia. And we of course have known that this has been, that Syria has been a proxy for this issue ongoing throughout the duration of what has been happening in Syria. So now it's kind of out in the open, although I doubt anyone really recognizes it. People may be so tired of it they don't care anymore. But it is kind of funny that this is exactly what the President

32:42 chided candidate Romney over during the elections, during the debates. Remember that quip? Yep, there you go. Yeah now here we have it so Romney was ahead of the game Yeah, not that I would not Romney as president. I still would choose Putin over Romney so Just that I use the word so I would like to play because back to my thesis that CBS is is the player here and

33:29 and this news director guy who's buddies with Charlie Rose, I noticed I have two packages I could play. I just want to play the one which is, this is the CBS, besides dominating the conversation by sending Rose over there and having all these people over there somehow, they also sent a package out to the affiliates. And it was a CBS package. You could tell it was well produced and it's long. I didn't clip the whole thing, but I clipped a bunch of it. And it to me really is this is that this would be this package they sent out to all the networks network affiliates

34:08 This would be the litany, this would be the... because this is what you're going to send out that the public generally is going to end up with. And so this is the overall thesis that you're going to get from the, not necessarily the administration, but whoever the CBS people represent. But this is the CBS gas package. ...military action with a single off-the-cuff remark. Is there anything at this point that his government could do or offer that would stop an attack? Sure, he can turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week.

34:44 Turn it over and then to everyone's surprise Syria said okay it will after that President Obama told CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley. It is a potentially positive development I don't think that we would have gotten to the point where they even put something out there publicly had it not been and and if it doesn't continue to be a credible military threat from the United States. Syrian President Bashar Assad told CBS this morning co-host Charlie Rose that if the US attacks there could be retaliation. You should expect everything not necessarily through the government and you have different parties you have different factions.

35:27 President Obama says he doesn't take that as a credible threat because Syria simply doesn't have the capacity to carry out a significant attack. Some of his allies like Iran and Hezbollah do have the capacity to engage in asymmetrical strikes against us. Our intelligence I think is very clear that they would not try to escalate a war with us. President Obama will address the nation tomorrow evening at 6 to lay out his case for Okay, a couple things. One, of course, it almost seems like a script when you know that Kerry was already scheduled to go to Geneva for the, you know, to work on the document. We knew that before the Putin-Assad announcement. So it almost feels like he was like, okay, here's the cue for the next move, guys. You know what he could do?

36:21 Yeah, no, it's obvious that was a planted question. Also, Rose was leaving the next day. Or actually, Rose was there on Sunday. He had to have He had to have that question in hand. Yes, so so they had the book they had to blow it out We know the Russians came up with the idea and here's the here's the thing that became interesting. This is the PBS This is part of the PBS package which they did themselves They didn't get it from CBS and you got this you there's two clips here I want to play one is play this one which is and you never heard this from anywhere else PBS part 3 a mess But hours later a surprising clarification a senior official traveling with Kerry said the secretary's remarks had been rhetorical and not intended as a serious proposal. You never heard that right? Oh, no, I didn't know that this is from the gaggle they do on the plane.

37:16 So that was interesting. And then the more interesting thing was, and we still don't know whose side she's on, but somehow Hillary jumps into the conversation. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke at a White House event. Thank you all. She endorsed military action against Syria and said... If the regime immediately surrendered its stockpiles to international control, As was suggested by Secretary Kerry and the Russians, that would be an important step. But this cannot be another excuse for delay or obstruction. And Russia has to support the international community's efforts sincerely or be held to account.

38:07 Now the way she does this, she says that Carrie is suggestive and then she has a long pause and she's got a mean look on her face. Seriously. And she says, and the Russians. Because I think she was annoyed, because I don't think she's part of the script. Or the narrative. She's on the margin, yeah, she's on the margin in this. She's been left out and she knew the Russians came up with this idea because you actually noticed it, that it kind of stemmed from the meetings in the G20. And so Kerry had to blow it out so he could get make sure Charlie Rose who's on is part of the narrative that you get it can ask that question when he gets over there. And meanwhile, the Russians gets kind of pushed aside as the as the ideal as the guys who came up with this idea. And so she makes a point of it, of bringing it up because this look on her face was like she's doing everything but shaking her head.

39:01 Now I think that there's some brilliance in here, as I believe it will be the Russians who will most likely take whatever out and take them to whatever safe place or drop them in the ocean or whatever we're going to agree to, but if you look back And I'm always interested in the maritime aspect. I've been following all the ships and we've had Russian subs in the Mediterranean for weeks now. And on September 6th we have a report here, a Russian warship, the Nikolai Filchenkov, has showed up at the port there, Tartus, with a quote-unquote special cargo.

39:44 And I'm thinking it was kind of hard for these guys to unload their special cargo, which I'm only going to presume is these S-400 missile launchers or some fantastic gear that Russia's installing and you know that is sold to Syria. But now they have perfect cover. You know, we can, oh, we're going to unload this and we got to make some space for the chemical weapons and, oh, we'll just move this stuff over into the warehouse. I think it's perfect. I mean, and the fallacy of all of this is for months, what years, we've been hearing about, oh, 100,000 people, by the way, the calculation of the 100,000 people is sketchy at best.

40:26 You know and the red line is the chemical weapons and now it's like now Apparently the guy isn't killing anyone anymore. That's just ended and no one is even asking anything about this It's all it's okay and the chemical weapons and it'll be over and then we'll just it'll all just kind of fizzle out and it'll take a couple of weeks and even the the calculation of the dead From this so-called sarin gas attack. It's funny. Here's the professor at Tufts University Who did what I did several months ago when I looked into when I was 92,000 people now, it's 120 you know, it's hundreds of thousands. It's just people just throwing numbers around like it's like it's a co2 in the atmosphere

41:09 Here's the Tufts University professor who tells us how the 1400 number was reached. on activist testimony on social media and on unidentified intelligence, sources we aren't privy to, as well as there's more discussion of a reliance on mathematical models. And in part, so far as we can tell, some of the numbers that are coming out are based on numbers of rockets fired, wind patterns, dispersal. Are you kidding me?

41:48 429, 426 of them are children and this is based on mathematical models using rockets fired and wind patterns? Patterns and other sets of expectations. The French as I understand it are relying on casualty counts and they're only counting people where they can identify a first and last name. That said, they have also intimated that their mathematical models... Since when has people become climate change with mathematical models? Casualty numbers might be as high as about 1,500 more or less consistent with the US claim the British have been rather tight-lipped but so far as I can tell the British are essentially arguing as well that they're only using numbers of people that they can actually identify as casualties. So let me just get this right we're using social media we're using bloggers

42:47 Siri and Danny, I guess, is one of our sources. Confidential high security things that we can't know. And then seriously, seriously, we're using number of rockets fired and wind patterns to determine, to come up with this number. And the media in general, except for a few reports, just take it and just say, oh yeah, it's 1429, 426 children. We've seen no women. The president in his speech, Again, talked about the rows and rows and rows. That's the picture from Iraq, Mr. President. That's not the picture from Syria. So all of this, this whole thing is one big coordinated psyops.

43:37 And the more you just keep repeating it, who was it? Was it Goebbels that said that? The more you repeat the lie, the more it becomes true? Yeah, well that's a known fact. You can just keep repeating the lie. You mean something like this? That's not a lie. That's the truth! but it's true what well we're on that subject to the best podcast in the universe should i say in the morning to you john c door i think you should say in the morning to me because i can say that way i can say in the morning to you adam c curry and all the ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air and subs in the water in the days and nights out there and in the morning to all of our human resources there in the chat room no genestream dot com no agenda chat dot net in the morning to all of our artists festival we browse ski

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46:52 It's a stunner. I mean it's really something if you want it if you've got the money. But doesn't 4k content does that mean you have to have like a huge pipe in order to get that or is that you get it on DVD? It takes a couple hours maybe. It's not streaming. Will that come on a laser disc? No, I don't know how they're gonna do it. Whatever the case is you can get it and the sets are stunning. Andy Peelman, it will be our associate executive producer from LEED Belgium 233 69 in the morning ITM first of all I want to thank you guys for the baby-making karma we've got with the previous donation since it worked however I didn't realize that the rest of the process needed more karma apparently since the human resource decided to call it quits after nine weeks therefore I'm inclined to ask for fresh baby-making Chris terrible this is a horrible story it is therefore I'm inclined to ask for fresh baby-making karma to attest to

47:49 How about baby... yeah, okay, I'm gonna read some of the way we can put it. We wrongly assumed that the baby-making karma would still apply, but since I've got... I've not managed to get rid of the Russians again in the months that followed, we'll need an extra batch of karma before I'm forced to do it in a cup. Second, I don't know exactly... I was reading this. I had to do it in a cup for... I had to... I don't want to know. No, you do want to know. This is funny because we were trying to conceive Christina and of course at a certain point you're going through tests and everything and obviously they checked my sperm. They're like, dude, you really got to lay off the weed, man. Your sperm's swimming backwards. Like, okay, so I stopped smoking weed for a day. So you had stone sperm.

48:36 Hey man, which way? Which way? You go this way? Go towards the light! Oh man, if I go towards the... Oh! The wrong way, man. And so for weeks I had to take a sample to the hospital, but I was on MTV and I was living in Jersey, had to drive into New York, so I would have to get a sample in the jar, keep it under my armpit to keep it warm, and I had the MTV guy hair and the leather jacket and everything, and I'd have to go to the nurses and like, Here it is. Guess what? I guess what I just did. Hey, let's see if that jerk off Curry's coming in again today Very embarrassing. All right. Anyway, so yes, you don't want to go there not a good idea No, he's gonna do it. Okay. Anyway second he'd like to ask If we can call out his master the Grand Duke van Pels mockers to send me a note at peace

49:32 Peace in B. Peace in B E at Taylan at Poon Bay A. Okay. With contact information, be it on a social media or mail, I'm sure he can use another local servant to do his bidding. Yes, always. Third, finally reading Atlas Shrugged and liking it. Oh, gee whiz. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. And liking it. Fourth I want to plug the Santo movie looking for funds in Indiegogo for the heck of it PS I want to call out all ignorant Belgians as douchebags And an LG why for all the Belgian people making a change like the Grand Duke, okay? Laurent Louis and even Jean-Pierre von Rossum Rossum fault terrible poor song

50:26 Knuffles for Mimi, Mickey, and John and Adam, piece B. Knuffles. Knuffles for Mimi, Mickey, John, and Adam. Okay. And let me, we need the karma now. Karma for sure. We'll do an LGY in that as well. That's important I think. You've got karma. Yay! There you go. Terry Morgan in Far Hills, New Jersey $233 well wish I made a donation for some travel karma before we left for Croatia Oh, my husband got food poisoning with all it was probably on the plane Yeah with all the effects here. Don't eat fruit on the plane or shrimp here It is no no hitting the night before they had to fly out fly home, so it was it was in Croatia Have you ever been sick and you had to go fly?

51:13 I have rules about this. You do not eat or dive. There are certain things I will not do the night before a flight, especially coming back. One of them is I won't have sushi or any fish whatsoever. Or bisque. I firmly believe you should never have bisque. Bisque yeah bisque well I make a rule not to have bisque in general yeah, but lobster bisque is always yeah No, I wouldn't have any of those no don't know seafood. What is bisque? What is in the bisque bisque is essentially just a soup I think I'm generally I think it's a cream soup as meat based the food poisoning soup it could be I always Had the lobster bisque I was so sick oh

51:57 We had a situation, here's a good story. Oh boy. So we're in, one time, we made a mistake, I made this mistake of having sushi at a very high end sushi place where they were trying to make you sick. You know, a lot of these Japanese guys. They try to make you think it's funny? Oh yeah, yeah. Jellyfish roll please. Okay. So I got kind of sick on a, The night before I had to take a flight to Dallas and I was like nauseous So I bought some of these crazy little creosote pills that they sell for the Japanese is good for your stomach It just kills it just the stomach goes. Okay a guy it kills everything in the stomach. It's great stuff But you can't use them too often, but I have them on the plane. I figured I got to take two more of these pills and

52:37 And so I, the thing is when you open the jar of pills, the plane now smells like it's on fire. Really? Yeah, it stinks. And so you open the jar, people who know about these little black pills know what I'm talking about. And so I pulled the thing out and I take the two pills and then all of a sudden there's a bunch of stewardesses scrambling all over the place sniffing around. We're on fire, we gotta check the window. On another flight we're coming back and Eric apparently is a little younger and he got sick as a dog and he was puking all over the place on this flight back. And it was weird and Mimi was really irked about this. Wait a minute, that's when the child becomes your wife's child.

53:19 Yeah, I was honey. Honey. Your son is puking everywhere. So he's puking into this bag and He's in the middle of this nobody's gonna chase dude here take my aisle seat They wouldn't do it. So he's got to keep getting up past people in his pukes dripping all over the place Yeah, he's getting his barfing into a bag. He was barfing. I think he had a cup filled a couple bags and And so he puts the bags down on the floor. It's kind of a rough landing. And so the bags, as he got up, the bags were missing. We're leaving the flight. Oh, so we just snuck off the plane. Oh, that's disgusting John It was a good story hey by the way Regarding the sushi I met in Marfa. We were in Marfa, Texas right past two days I met the the guy who directed and produced the documentary sushi the global catch and

54:16 Which is apparently really good. It's award-winning and it's about the whole... You got a DVD from him. I'm all set up. I just haven't had time to watch it because we only got back yesterday. This guy is very interesting, Mark Hall. So I'll let you know about that. That may be a tip for No Agenda to watch list. Okay. Alright, let's finish off here. Terry Moore, I got my best flight store bill, I'll save it for later. 233-00 Far Hills, New Jersey. Well, I wish I made a donation for some travel car before we left from Croatia. My husband got food poisoning, as we said, the night before we had to fly home. I'm donating $100 for my husband, $100 for my brother and his wife to get out of Turkey without any incidents and $33 since I

54:58 I live off East exit 33 in New Jersey and I do sing the exit the 33 jingle as I exit. Okay we'll give you a double shot then. It's the magic number. You've got karma. We haven't done yet. Thank you, Terry. And Craig Martin finishes us off with, well actually two more. We had Craig Martin in Fairbanks, Alaska with no comment. And then Anonymous from Wusta, Massachusetts. $200 and that'll be our executive associate executive producers for show 547 want to thank everybody who donated to keep the show going and also remember mind everyone to go to the work that org slash na channel of org comm slash na also the no agenda show comm site look for the donate button and also a no agenda nation comm yes and let me program your brain one more time to vorac org

55:56 Slash and a two quick PR mentions one and I received it. Yes I don't know if you received it. You probably got at the PO box. I don't if you've been John We now out one day in Gitmo nation This is now self-published by Scott McKenzie our producer who wrote the book based upon no agenda It is actually it says here a no agenda novel and I've read that did you read the book when you got the the transcript? No, I didn't. Okay. It is a It's an outstanding product. It's a very funny book because it has every single no agenda meme in there, but it's also a good story with a kind of a twist end. I'm not going to spoil it. It's a beautiful book. It's hardcover.

56:41 Anyway, he's doing a Kickstarter to this, I guess, is one of those Amazon one-off things, but it's not cheap by any means. I mean, this is like a real book. Yeah, it's one of the Amazon does these things. It's beautiful. I have to say that I never got this book. I'd it came well we were gone so maybe it came yesterday and yours probably went to the P.O. box I don't know when you were at the P.O. box I went to the P.O. box so yeah I go on Wednesdays and Saturdays hmm okay well we'll make sure Scott gets you one there's a link in the show notes to the Kickstarter he's looking for a couple hundred pounds to get this thing published and I'm going to contribute because I'm just tickled pink

57:23 that this is an actual book based upon all of the book. And if you're tickled pink, that's something. And the latest No Agenda CD is out. Now this has changed a little bit, but you go to noagendacd.com or the direct link in the show notes. You can download all the individual bits, but it's about an hour long. And you can download the ISOs or whatever you call it, the album art, everything you need for the latest No Agenda CD titled Syria or Bust. And this is a great little primer or primer as John would call it.

58:00 for those that you want to hit in the mouth. It's one hour, they can listen. It's quick bits. It's all little interspersed, intermingled things. It's the best pieces. And it, I think, gets people interested. We've had several people that we've given these CDs to and they have turned into listeners. We thank both of our producers there for that work and of course thank you to our associate executive producer Sir David Foley, Duke of Silicon Valley, also sole member of the 547 Club, associate executive producers Andy Pielman, Terry Morgan, Craig Martin and Anani Maus. We appreciate what you are doing to keep this show on the road and please go out, propagate the formula from time to time. Our formula is this, we go out

58:45 We hit people in the mouth. I bumped into a couple of interesting things as I've been desperately searching to find anything else that's going on than what was being shoved down our throats. It was kind of interesting listening to, man, radio is so lost in this country. It is impossible. Just traveling from, if you're driving for more than an hour at distance,

59:28 You're losing these stations. You can't listen to anything. Yeah, and there's been a new ruling the FCC especially if you're driving at night The FCC's required them to turn down the power. Oh really? Yeah, so they it's a big they're bitching about this They turn down the power because of the the big the big flame thrower stations with the 50,000 watts right and once the ionosphere comes into play at night They drown out the locals right but you're talking about the AMS. Oh Yeah, well you're so FM. I'm just talking. Oh yeah, FM's got no distance. You can barely hear anything. I mean no wonder, no wonder streaming radio is going to win over everything. You know, in fact even though it was piss poor driving all the way out to Marfa, which is about six and a half hour drive from from Austin through to West Texas. But

1:00:23 It was just noticeable that you cannot listen. I mean you try to listen to NPR and then you lose the station and then it comes back again and then it's only country essentially. And I like me some good country but it's just it's impossible to get any other type of information and then you know when you do get the station it's the same thing over and over and over again and inconsistent, just dumb. So I'm hunting around because I'm thinking there's so many things that just drop off the radar that we don't hear. anything about anymore and of course I'm still very interested in how this Snowden thing is unpacking. Now we know that yet again new documents have come to light magically that the NSA is sharing. I love the sharing meme. By the way this story it got zero play in the mainstream. About the sharing with Israel? Yeah apparently Israel's got all of our data.

1:01:23 And soon they will have your fingerprint from the iPhone 5. Yeah, I'm gonna be buying that. Does anyone else see the fallacy in that? What necessity is there to put a fingerprint scanner on your iPhone? What is the actual necessity? Even from a coolness factor, it's dumb. Does it make any sense? It's not cool either. No! Does it make any sense whatsoever other than to store it? To have it, I guess? And we know that only six or eight months after Steve Jobs died, that's when Apple signed on board with Prism. Right. I'm in the market for an iPhone 3. I think those were the good ones. I think those are the ones that are still safe.

1:02:12 Anyway, so you know this this story comes out and again if you haven't heard it apparently according to a Memorandum and all we have is a document. It doesn't really give me much more than that Is that the NSA takes the raw data doesn't cleanse it but regardless I mean I don't care who they're spying on they're spying on people and then giving it to other countries including Israel and And I find this like a mailing list company. I find this to be outrageous Seriously, just outrageous that this is taking place and then I find you know I'm always looking at At the the players and Laura Poitras is of course very interesting person in all of this She is the one that apparently had the first contact a MacArthur Foundation winner. You know, she's she takes money from elite she half of her documentary and she and she came to

1:03:05 Edward Snowden as part of a documentary she's already making she That is partially funded by her MacArthur Foundation grant and from the Bertha Foundation. We also know the story behind that the pure anti-israel Organization so this there's players there's big big players in all of this and there's lots of money going around and and then I stumble upon the guy had kind of forgotten about Jacob Applebaum. He's back in the picture again. Now do we remember Jacob Applebaum? The name rings a bell and I think we discussed him before. Jacob Applebaum is the guy who all of a sudden popped onto the scene as the spokesperson for Julian Assange back in the day. Oh that guy. He is the Navy guy who co-created, co-founded the Tor network, now known to be compromised.

1:03:58 Right, right. Yeah, I know who this is. Yeah, Applebaum. He gives good speeches. Well, if you were to hold a whistleblower award ceremony, where would you have this ceremony? Well, I think the funniest place to have it would be somewhere in the Virginia area. Yeah, no. It's in Berlin. Of course. Why not in Berlin? And of course, who wins an award? Edward Snowden. But who accepts the award on his behalf? Applebaum. Gee, there he is again ladies and gentlemen. And I think we should listen to a little bit of his speech. I have a couple clips here. I've broken it up a little bit just so we can dissect it. But I'm very suspicious of Applebaum's role in all of this. It sounds to me in fact a bit like he's running a little bit of interference maybe even for whichever agency he represents.

1:05:00 And I'm not sure which one it is, but let's just listen. Seems like a place where I should be able to express myself naturally and it's Emily ask you a question Why wouldn't Laura Poitras accept the award? Why does Applebaum have to come into this? What sense does this make? What sense does it make that he has to express it in his own language as freedom of speech a little difficult for me So I apologize if English is not easy for you. I'll try to not speak too quickly by the way Germans have no problem understanding your English dude when I spoke with

1:05:50 No, you know, stop for a second. This has to be reconsidered, this commentary where he says he has to speak in English. There's some code coming out that he can't do in German. Like a nuance yeah, there's a nuance or something He has to say for somebody's benefit that has to be said in English because it won't make any sense in German Let's listen to it again you tonight. It's it's quite an honor actually and it's Really a privilege and especially to have someone like Laura in the audience here with us and to have Glenn also to send a video I would speak with you in German, but this is

1:06:28 Seems like a place where I should be able to express myself naturally and it's a little difficult for me So I apologize if English is not oh no I know what it is because what he's saying is not intended for the German audience is intended for the American audience Yeah, it's like the sign is you see in these protests that are written in English. Yeah, let's ask him to go back to the other concept though I didn't realize, so Greenwald and Laura are both in the audience? No, Laura's in the audience, Greenwald sent in a video. Oh, okay. You know, he recorded a little video. Okay, I'll just let it slide, but it just seems, you're right, it's stupid. I mean for Laura Poitras not to be, she's the one that had the contact, she's the one that's been the center of all of this. Why isn't she getting up on, why isn't she getting up on stage and accepting this? Yes, she should. Easy for you, I'll try to not speak too quickly. When I spoke with Edward Snowden this evening, he wanted me to convey a message to you which I will read.

1:07:27 But he also wanted me to not talk too much about geopolitics and not to talk too much about all of the things that everyone else has already said this evening. And instead he wanted me to talk about individuals, to talk about people. He wanted me to talk about hope for change. Really? Really? He wanted me to talk about hope for change? What's this guy, Barack Obama 3 now? Strange I'm sorry are you doing another show somewhere in another room? Are you okay? Well this is a new rig I set up over here right yeah, so I knocked over the microphone

1:08:17 Stand and and and I'm just now getting it put back where it belongs and it landed on the cat's tail the cat then jumped up hit the lampshade the lampshade tipped over and that Disrupted your entire poise on your chaise lounge Anyway finish this clip off and this reminded me of something that One of the greatest American whistleblowers to ever live is famous for saying and that is Daniel Ellsberg. He said courage is contagious and and I see amongst people here in the audience a number of people who embody that. Laura being the clear winner of that so far. It's a little sickening. And I think... Why? Is she not a whistleblower? She hasn't blown any whistles. And if she had, why isn't she getting the award like you said initially? Is she going to name other names? Well, stay tuned.

1:09:09 It is important to talk about what each of us have as our personal agency. That is to say, each and every one of us has the ability to... What did he just say there? Hold on a second. What? He said something about his personal agency? His personal agency? Well, I didn't know that... This is... What are they doing? Franchising? Let's have another listen to that. Would you like to have your own personal intelligence agency, my friend? Well, can I have challenge coins to go with that agency? Then you got a deal. And I see amongst people here in the audience a number of people who embody that. Laura being the clear winner of that so far. And I think that it is important to talk about what each of us have as our personal agency. You're right, this is a weird thing to say.

1:09:55 What each of us has is our own personal agency. That is to say, each and every one... You're talking about handlers. Well, no, he's going to explain. Let it slip out. There's something wrong with the sentence. Hold on, he's explaining it here. Every one of us has the ability to stand against corruption, to stand against war crimes, to stand against things that we know are obvious lies that are done in our name. And it happens for each and every one of us when we choose it. in each of the actions we do every single day. It's a very straightforward and simple thing. And so it is, I think, important to think of this not as an issue of internet freedom. Ooh, internet freedom! Ooh, careful, careful, careful when you say these things, because that means you're on the wrong side of the fence, dude. But as a question of our own personal liberties.

1:10:47 And we must have a consciousness raising about our own role in this. So when we talk about spying on the internet, we should not pretend we are exempt from this. Because in fact it is a question of spying on our very lives, in every aspect of our lives, so as to be able to literally, in some cases, try to read our minds. All right, now I'm going to play this out of order because the actual note he has from Snowden I think is written by the same PR lady who wrote the New York Times op-ed for Putin. So let's just skip ahead and we can come back to that. And Applebaum is talking about why he's in Berlin. I think though that what he meant is something that many of us have felt. It is why Laura lives in Berlin. It is why I now live in Berlin. Oh, hold on a second. Oh, they live in Berlin. Why do you live in Berlin? Germany has a... Because you're so courageous? History with these types of issues that is not forgotten but is in fact carried forth and remembered today.

1:11:48 This is something which is so important because it is not that Edward Snowden or Laura's journalism or my standing here is against the United States. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's roll that back for a second. What does he say here? Edward Snowden or Laura's journalism or my standing here is against the United States It is actually the case that we are American citizens asking for your solidarity and your help Because there are certain corrupt individuals in our government who have taken it and they have done things in our name that are simply wrong women so he's now saying a little clap clap clap he's saying that they live in Germany and

1:12:31 Because they can't live in America because there are corrupt individuals who have done wrong. They've gone rogue! Let's listen to the second part of this explanation. To the individuals that are here, each and every one of us, what I hope is that it will be possible for each of you to recognize that there are people in the United States who need to learn from the history that each of you has learned, that many of you have lived, and that right now is so sorely lacking in the debate and in the discussion. We must not let history, especially German history of the 20th and the early 21st century, be forgotten. Okay, hold on. He is going to a never again moment

1:13:15 I might point out that he is Jewish, so he's pulling a Debbie Wasserman Schultz in a way where she literally said never again regarding Syria. Now he's doing a never again and he's claiming that people in the audience will remember this? How old are these people in the audience? This is something that was learned through very hard, very hard times and it is something that the rest of humanity is not exempt from. And so it is my hope that if each and every single one of you were to adopt an American, or simply to reach out as individuals, this is something that can create change. When it is a German that speaks to the world and says, these things, they scare me the same way that the Stasi's Susset song scares me. When I see these things and they remind me of secret police action,

1:14:10 When I see political crackdowns, when I see journalists being treated as terrorists, it reminds me of darker times. And to show what those darker times are, to talk about the relationship and to talk about the progression past that, that kind of personal connection is something that allows people to move past their fear, which is controlling them now. And so, what I want to leave you with is the same thing that Edward Snowden has left with me, I think, and with all of us, hopefully, which is that courage is contagious. And it is up to all of us now to follow on with what he has started. Thank you. You know, I don't understand this. This, and if you want I can play the note from Snowden, but maybe it's better... I'm gonna have to hear the note from Snowden. You're gonna have to play it because now this is getting weird. It's annoying, isn't it? I mean so for this guy to say courage is contagious... It's a little condescending, it's a little patronizing, it's a little much. And for someone who has said he's living in Germany in Berlin, and of course there's nothing wrong with Germany,

1:15:11 No, Angela Merkel is great. Nothing at all, nothing with the European Central Bank or the Troika or screwing Southern Europe out. These people are fantastic. They're honest. Berlin is great. But the Kurds are so contagious you have to live there because of the corrupt individuals in America? I take it as an insult. Come back home, man. And he's obviously, he's there for a different reason. There's something up with him and he knows he's got either a target on his back or somebody's gonna beat him up or I don't know but this is bull crap. In fact I think I'm surprised you haven't played the bullshit little jingle. Bullshit! I have. It's just, it's bullshit. That's all I'm thinking when I'm listening to this.

1:16:04 Let's listen to the letter that Snowden sent and for some reason Glenn Greenwald could make a video, Laura Poitras could be there, Jacob Applebaum who has no job as far as I can tell. I looked at his book of knowledge entry, he has no job. Unless he's begging on the street. He's can't afford living in Berlin. Yeah, so he's doing something It's funny that the Wikipedia page makes more an issue of him being bisexual than what job he has Wikipedia is a very strange book of knowledge I'll tell you But anyway that of course if I go to Berlin I have a chance of seducing him and getting all kinds of information out of him Yeah, but when I spoke with him this evening his first question was not about how things would go But he asked me if I had slept

1:16:57 He asked me how I was feeling and I told him that I was fine and he said, are you sure? What? This is a person who really cares about other people. This is a person who... What? Yeah. Well, he has been attacked. Yeah, that's what that was... Yes, have you slept? He asked me how I'm doing, have I slept? He really cares about other people? He's wondering if you're like got a gun to you, somebody's got a gun to your head probably. No, but this is because I don't believe this is a note from Edward Snowden. I mean it's probably so well anyway we get finished I'm sorry interrupt and relentlessly smeared by the propaganda machines

1:17:35 He is a person who has thrown himself onto the gears of that very machine. And he has done it for each and every one of us. And I can't actually believe that it is true in some sense, because it just seems so incredibly powerful, so passionate, and so beautiful. We need to do that. We need to work on this. This guy's on E. He is on E. You know, he asked me first, he said, have you slept? Oh, it's so beautiful. And so with that in mind, I'd like to read what he had to say. And I think that this is, it's beautiful. The first time that I read it, I cried. Oh, play the bull crap thing.

1:18:25 I Gotta roll that back. That's very funny that thing on the top I think that this is it's beautiful the first time that I read it I cried mostly because Such high moral character it's high moral character This is great. Are you gonna play the harmonica throughout the whole thing? Oh? I should, but go on. But play a song then, and don't just, you know, like, give me a tune. It really rings true to me. This is Celeste. I can't play a song. It's too complicated. So he says, it is a great honor to be recognized for the public good created by this act of whistleblowing. However, the greater reward and recognition belongs to the individuals and organizations in countless countries around the world who shattered boundaries of language and geography to stand together in defense of the public right to know and the value of our privacy.

1:19:16 It is not I, but the public who has affected this powerful change to abrogation of basic constitutional rights by secret agencies. It is not I, but newspapers around the world who have risen to hold our governments to the issues when none of the official- Bullshit! Hold on a second. It's not I, but the newspapers? Wow, he's saying the newspapers are the guardians of reality abrogation of basic constitutional rights by secret agencies It is not I but newspapers around the world who have risen to hold our governments to the issues when powerful officials sought to distract from These very issues, but this this is so so not true. This is not true Yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about. Well, that's because you're playing like coke bottles with water in them What are you doing?

1:20:08 I'm over here by the old sound effect devices and I grabbed this one. But are you listening? Yeah, I'm listening. It's bullcrap. It's just that I'm surprised you're not playing the bullcrap. I can't play it continuously. We've got to listen to a little bit of this thing. Yeah, you can. Rumor and insult. And it is not I, but certain brave representatives in governments around the world who are proposing new protections, limits and safeguards to prevent... Ah, Meteor Shield Law. That's where that's coming from. Oh, yeah. I told you! This is written by the same lady who wrote the Putin op-ed. Yeah, there's a big script that's playing out in front of us and we don't know what the point is. Well, stay tuned, we may catch something in the next two minutes. Future assault on our public rights and private lives. My gratitude belongs to all of those who have reached out to their friends and family to explain why suspicionless surveillance matters.

1:21:02 It belongs to the man in a mask on the street on a hot day and the woman with a sign and an umbrella in the rain. What is he, John le Carre? What is he, writing a novel? I think he's talking about Anonymous with the mask on and Mary Poppins apparently with the lady with the umbrella. I don't know. Why, suspicionless surveillance matters. It belongs to the man in a mask on the street on a hot day and the woman with a sign and an umbrella in the rain. It belongs to the young people in college with a civil liberties sticker on their laptop and the kid in the back of a class in high school making memes.

1:21:39 All of these people making memes? Making memes? What is he talking about? Hey man, I'm sitting here in the back of the class. I'm gonna make a meme. What? 126. Do you remember when we heard Snowden talk on that video? He didn't sound that prolific like he does now. Now, now this is written by somebody else but I think whoever this somebody else is is an idiot to say that a kid in the back of the classroom is making memes. Do they even know what a meme is? In a mask on the street on a hot day and the woman with a sign and an umbrella in the rain. It belongs to the young people in college with a celebrity sticker on their laptop and the kid in the back of a class in high school making memes.

1:22:29 All of these people accept that change begins with a single voice and spoke one message to the world. Governments must be accountable to us for the decisions that they make, decisions regarding the kind of world we will live in. What kinds of rights and freedoms individuals will enjoy are the domain of the public, not the government in the dark. Yet the happiness of this occasion is for me tempered by an awareness of the road traveled to bring us here today. In contemporary America, the combination of weak legal protections for whistleblowers, bad laws that provide no public interest defense, and a doctrine of immunity for officials who have strayed beyond the boundaries of law has perverted the system of incentives that regulate secrecy in government. This results in a situation that associates an unreasonably high price with maintaining the necessary foundation of liberal democracy.

1:23:20 our informed citizenry. Speaking truth to power has cost whistleblowers their freedom, family, or country. This situation befits neither America nor the world. It does not require sophistication to understand that policies equating necessary acts of warning with threats to national security inevitably lead to ignorance and insecurity. The society that falls into the deterrent trap known in cultural wisdom as shooting the messenger will quickly find that not only is it without messengers, but it no longer enjoys messages at all.

1:23:56 It is right to question the wisdom of such policies and the unintended incentives that result from them. If the penalty providing secret information to a foreign government in bad faith is less than the penalty for providing that information to the public in good faith, are we not incentivizing spies rather than whistleblowers? Hmm, okay, so he's making some sense there. Yeah. Yes. What does it mean for the public when we apply laws targeting terrorism against those engaged in acts of journalism? Can we enjoy openness in our society if we prioritize intimidation and revenge for fact-finding? Yes, what is it? Greenwald wrote this. Yes, of course. Of course. It sounds like him too. It has the same old crap. Yeah, I totally agree. But why?

1:24:49 Well Greenwald likes to write, so that's one reason. I know, but doesn't, does that not then compromise his position as the journalist who is reporting on this if he is writing? You know, I could be a journalist one minute, a speechwriter the next, it wouldn't bother me at all. Okay, well, I, to me it feels like that's a Isn't there some ethical thing about that you can't do? No, no, no. Here's the ethical problem the way I would see it on the most liberal way of looking at it. It would be if you wrote an article saying, what a great speech! Hold on a second, let me see what Glenn Greenwald has written about. Hold on a second, let's do this now.

1:25:36 Glenn Greenwald Snowden Whistleblower Award I want a whistleblower award by the way. Let's see. Oh, we have his video as well. It's a long one though. I don't want to Snowden wins whistleblower award. Well, hold on. Let's see. Let's see if he talks about I'll find it I'll find it and I'll bet you I'll bet you that that Glenn Greenwald wrote something about with this chilling speech Some bull crap word like that. You watch, because the guy has no shame. I know you're a fan. I know you're a fan. I bet you it's going to be soft. It's going to be soft pedals. It's going to be a very unique and interesting speech. But you know, even then it's the pushy. But isn't that, isn't that, okay, well I'll find out if you wrote anything about it, but isn't that by definition just weird if you're reporting on the guy, he's the story, and then you're writing speeches on behalf of him? That's weird.

1:26:32 I can't prove it. No, well, no you... But it's so obvious. Whistleblowers? What does it mean for the public when we apply laws targeting terrorism against those engaged in acts of terrorism? It's almost over. Can we enjoy openness in our society if we prioritize intimidation and revenge over fact-finding and investigation? Where do we draw the line between national security and public interest? And how can we have confidence in the balance when the only advocates allowed at the table of review come from the halls of government itself? Questions such as these can only be answered through the kind of vigorous public discussion we are enjoying today.

1:27:10 We must never forget the lessons of history regarding the dangers of surveillance gone too far, nor our human power to amend such systems to the public benefit. The road we travel has been difficult, but it leads us to better times. Together we can guarantee both the safety and the rights of the generations that follow. To all those who participated in this debate, from the highest official to the smallest citizen, I say thank you. Edward J. Snowden. Edward J. Snowden. Edward J. Snowden. Edward J. Snowden. Yeah, there you go. I thought it was S. Oh really? No, that's interesting. Well I could, I mean it probably was J, but I just thought it was S. Why did we think it was S? Let me see, Edward... Now it's J, Edward Joseph Snowden. That makes sense. Well, we'll have another shot, let's see, September 19th. Can you make it over to the lodge at the Regency Center?

1:28:10 Where's this? In San Francisco. Oh no, what's happening? Well, at 6 o'clock, the 2013 EFF Pioneer Awards. Ooh. Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras will receive an award as pioneers. I can get into that. And Aaron Schwartz will receive an award posthumously. Oh, it's gonna be a good cry for everyone. And James Love, who's James Love? What if he's related to Reggie Love? He's one of the leading champions in the international battle for access to knowledge. He is the director of the Knowledge Ecology International. I get James Lovelock.

1:28:57 Hey, you know what? Would you call me back? It's, we're now, what are we, about an hour and 25 minutes into it and now I'm getting a little packet loss from you. Not too bad today. I've been getting received packet losses but it hasn't been, well I can see they're in there. Okay, I'll be right back. Yeah, all right. Goodbye. I love you. I love you so much. Alright, so just so you know we've we've discovered a couple things that we've been working on to fix our our issues None of them by the way have to do actually with Skype directly We've tried several different protocols team speak mumble you name it other stuff Has nothing to do with the problem. This is an actual technical issue

1:29:36 that is taking place and I can't mention what we think it is but I think you can tell that we've had pretty good luck so far and if we're lucky we'll get John back and we'll continue with the second half of our program. And we're back! Very nice. Alright. Alright, we got dinner at 13, we got zero pain in the ass. Yeah, okay, so we just, okay, I think I can make that event. I'll try to make it. What's the date? It's a Thursday, unfortunately, so that means, but it's at six o'clock, so you'll have time to get in. Oh yeah, no, I got plenty of time. September 19th. That might be fun. Oh, oh boy.

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1:31:57 Here's some show money for you guys that you deserve. We'll send more. How much for three shows a week? Thousands. Brian Williams, 7373 Streamwood, Illinois. Edgar Barrera, Mexico City, 6666. And these are... Uh-oh! Oh, whoa! We're there already? Uh-oh! Oh man, I'm not ready for this. Here we go. 69! 69! No! What? There are none! No! This streak has been broken. That's it. It's done. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. Are you sure about this? I am not. I'm not buying this because I remember a 69-69 coming in. So we'll hold it in abeyance. Wait a minute. But why isn't it on the spreadsheet? Double check. This is bad.

1:32:44 Well, I'm going to double check because I think I swear to God that when I was looking because I occasionally was in my email I get these notifications when somebody donates and I Absolutely sure a 69 69 came in why it's not on here is the question of the day I'm skeptical John. I've been waiting for this to happen We've been here before and I will point out the last time we did this you also pulled one of these where they came in with many foot meet me I think it's just over I think we're just done. It's toast. If I don't find the evidence, then we are done. But I'm stunned by this. Stunned. And I'm just thinking, what? So we're not even, we don't even have a 69 inch, we're down to the sixes. To the 66s. Yeah. A sack of sixes. Right. Okay, well it's very sad that the swazzle-nuff, ladies and gentlemen, has ended. This was the disaster of September 11th. This is it. That's the FBI six-week schedule right there.

1:33:42 He, and anyway that's Edgar Barrera out of Mexico City, 6666, and these are all 6666 donations. And I think we're calling these the sack of sixes. The sack of sixes from a He Tangata career consultancy in Rotorua, New Zealand, sheep farming. William Smock. San Diego California Steven Sevchuk in West Orange New Jersey. I'm a little sappy rose Sorry, my old stomping grounds West Orange. I was right near West Orange Montclair Montclair Wilson and will the Wildemar, California Christopher O'Brien in Milton, Massachusetts Simon Smith in Middleborough Cleveland Edward Jones in Providence, Oregon

1:34:30 North Carolina, I think is what I put on there. Well, but Providence, Rhode Island. No, this was a check that came in. Oh. And I put North Carolina clearly on the list that they sent me. And so here's how it goes. And then Eric gets the list and goes, Providence isn't in North Carolina, you stupid John. It's in Rhode Island. So he put a question mark there. Exactly. I'll put a question mark just to hedge my bets. Joshua plain old Joshua in Alexandria, Virginia, and I have a note okie-dokie Nice, and since he wrote it in I'll see what I got. Let's see is this it yeah He sent us a card. He says happy birthday and happy anniversary John and Adam you guys rock and it's a big card Oh, what's on the card? It's

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1:37:44 If it's to begin again, it has to be started once more by Carrie Shun. Oh, and otherwise it doesn't count? That's the way I see it. She has to send another picture of her butt, and she has to be on some race or something. She runs. And otherwise we will not accept your $69.69 donation? Somebody official has to start it. I think this went on over a year. Yeah. I'll have to get the start date. Well, it would be very sad if that happened. And otherwise we're just going to round it up. No more swallows enough. We'll just thank you very much for your 6970 donation. We'll be rounded up and that'll be it. No more swallows enough karmas. Yeah, it's a shame. Give a general karma or shout out for everybody, please. Yes, everyone, thank you so much for your support of the program. You've got karma. No birthdays to mention today. No knighthoods, as you could tell by the

1:38:41 Rather short list however sir David Foley of course now becomes the Duke of Silicon Valley and Pretty soon. He'll be right up there in grand dukedom at the rate He's going and he'll have that entire protectorate, and I guess he and a grand duke Pell smockers they they can have little get-togethers, and you know I wouldn't know that when their kids get married they go near they attend the weddings and they wear funny hats and Don't you think? They have to have a lot of servants. Well, yes. Yes, that is very good. More port. Yeah. So yeah, let me... They have a little bell they ring? Yes.

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1:40:12 Let me just set this a little longer, okay, I'm just messing around with oh, so we got a few clips to play Well, I got one thing for you this real this this happened this morning miss Mickey made me pancakes on Thursday, which is nice it doesn't happen usually only happens on the on the Sunday shows and So she said shall I turn on NPR? I'm like, yeah, let's see what's going on. We'll listen to it because you know, never mind. So turn on NPR and I hear this report and I know a lot about this particular instance and what has gone on here and I'll give you the background. There is a law that was put on the books quite a while ago that any song before 1978, I believe, and now we're like in 35 years,

1:40:59 If an artist had written the song, or whoever wrote the song, if you had sold the rights to that song with the publishing, you could get it back after 35 years. So it was not an indefinite sale. And you have some inherent rights, and this is part of the copyright law of the land, which of course you don't hear a lot about because, oh my God, let's not give any of these artists any crazy ideas to go getting their material back, which they have the right to legally by legal copyright law in America. So this happens and you may have heard the story and one of the village people gets the rights to his song back. This is how NPR reports on this very important legal issue which is a big deal not just to this guy but to all artists and to copyright in general and here's how your national treasure handles the story on their business program. Village People singer Victor Willis has finally won a share of the income from his most famous song.

1:42:04 The New York Times reports that Willis, you know him as the police officer, has emerged from six years of legal wrestling with the new copyright in hand. The victor gives him substantial control over YMCA and 32 other Village People tunes. He said he's considering a move that would ban Village people songs from being performed by his former bandmates. Yes, the cowboy, the construction worker, the Indian and all the rest are still around and touring but without Mr. Willis. So today's last word in business is, sing it with me here it comes, here it comes. I-M-C-A-A. And that's the business news on Morning Edition from NPR News. I'm Steve Inskeep. And I'm Renee Montagne.

1:42:46 Bullshit! Okay, these people are such a-holes. This is a really important story. And this guy can be now making three, four, maybe five hundred thousand dollars a year in commercial publishing. It is a business story. And all they can do is say, oh, he's going to forbid the other village people from performing the song. Oh, let's sing along. Fuck you, NPR. I was really pissed about this. This is dumb. This is dumb. That's not reporting. Big shocker. Shocker! But you know, it's always... This is the big secret of journalism. Whenever they report on something you actually know about, it's always wrong! Shocker. Shocker. Well, I'll throw you the shocker.

1:43:35 Well I was listening to Fox. I'm so sorry, so sorry to hear that. Yes. And there was, and Anthony Weiner was on. Oh, wait a minute, you grabbing my clips of the day here. Are you trying to usurp me, Dvorak? What do you got? Play it. Uh, well I'm looking for your clip. No, no, it's your clip. Wait, you're actually going to give me my clip? Yeah, yeah, I didn't figure I had to make the clip because you had it. No, it wasn't Fox, it was MSNBC. Oh, I'm sorry. We've established those facts. What news are you breaking here?

1:44:13 What I'm trying to get at, Anthony, is what drives you. Okay, in that case ask me that question. Ask me that question. Lawrence, ask me that question now. Anthony, I mean it from a psychiatric level. Dude, I don't really need your psychiatric questions. I don't want to ask you a question. Do an interview here. Do an interview. You are being driven by some kind of demons in some strange directions. Lawrence, do you want to ask me a question? Or do you have me on a harangue with a split screen? This can't be good TV for anybody. Alright, you know what Anthony, we got about 20 seconds left. So here's what I'd like to do. I'd like you to stay. Give me 10 of that. I'd like you to stay if you will. We'll continue this online and you can say whatever you want. Online? Get harangued online? Nobody watches the show. Who do you think's online? You can say whatever you want. Alright, so I'm just going to stop it here because the maniacal laugh was kind of the best part. But I want to say something very important.

1:45:09 When Amy Winehouse died Everybody was oh man, we're sad and there was you know outpouring of sorrow But all I saw and I'm generalizing all I saw certainly from the media was laughter and pointing and look at the train wreck and it's hilarious and oh my god, look at that nutjob Winehouse the druggie the drunk and we're doing it again and and i find it weirdly perverted that i'm defending anthony wiener but someone needs to help the man uh... his wife has deserted him right she would win this interview was done just before the democratic uh... mayoral candidate was chosen his wife was with the clinton's at their private fundraiser she's the guy is deserted

1:46:02 It's sad. John Stewart, here's what I'd do. John Stewart should make it a personal mission of his to go and save his former roommate. The man needs saving. This will end very, very poorly and everyone will be, how did that happen? The pressure that is on this man right now. forget what he did. The maniacal laugh is kind of the giveaway. It's a bit, it's, it's, but play that little part again because it's actually, this is not a normal laugh, this is a maniacal laugh. This is like something you see in a movie. You are being driven by some kind of demons in some strange directions. And I'm wondering why. Lawrence, do you want to ask me a question or do you have me on a harangue with a split screen? This can't be good TV for anybody. It is. Alright, you know what, we've got about 20 seconds left.

1:46:48 Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the laugh of a man at the end of his rope. Totally. That's a bad laugh. Yeah, that is so I just want to say you know that Everyone's laughing at the guy and it's all a big joke But it's going to end very very poorly for him and it will be on everyone who I mean I can't help him, but there are certainly people who can And they should. And they should. And it's time. Sometimes you need to take someone and take them out, you know? This happens in show business all the time. When someone is too nutty, then they have managers and lawyers and record companies and they take them away, put them in the funny farm for a while. I'm sorry, it's called a spa.

1:47:34 You go for relaxation. The guy desperately needs this. That's all. That's all I'm going to say about it. But we can't just, as a society, I can't stand by and say, oh, it's a funny train wreck without pointing out the obvious. And it is good TV, though. I have to. It is good TV. He's wrong on that. This can't be good TV. Yes, it is. But he's right. Lawrence O'Donnell did nothing to, he just kept yacking. You need help my friend, you need help. Yeah, big time help. Yeah, well he does need help. So there was a September 11th celebration which we mentioned in the newsletter which was the September 11th was the day of the coup in Chile. Yes, that was 40th anniversary? Yes, the 70th, 1973. Do you know that John F. Kerry visited Kissinger on September 11th?

1:48:29 Well, was Kissinger not intimately involved in... Oh yeah, Kissinger, Nixon and the CIA all went through. Right. Allende can put in this creepy guy, Pinochet. Yeah, so what did they do? They went and had a drink? I don't know. They're just... Yeah, probably high fives or whatever they did back then. So there was a lot of stuff on the Democracy Now! show. It was quite interesting. A lot of details on how you know we had an American reporter that was was was murdered and it became the movie missing with Jack Lemon. Oh I didn't know this. Yeah the movie missing 1988 movie for Jack Lemon was about this situation and it was creepy and we did nothing to help anybody and if you want to see a real this was the creepiest part of an American government was in the 70s.

1:49:19 But you should watch that movie and you'll get a sense of it. But here's the kind of, I had a lot of clips I could have pulled from this but I decided to, you know, that, you know, this, just a bunch of people with a deep Spanish accent you couldn't understand. But they told how he was, you know, kidnapped, murdered and tortured. There was also a musician, a famous musician was involved, he was murdered, he was like a, famous guy so they broke his hands we complain was in a kill him and first they broke his hands and they shot him I don't know any I need to brush up on my a lot of nasty this is great that went on it was all kind of that you know we could because Nixon was in it was but all all in I think was to embarrass Nixon too but here's an interesting prelude to a coup which is the way this is what is how things were changing on the spot and how they could tell is a military coup in play

1:50:07 Describe what happened on September 11, 1973. Where were you? Where was Victor? Yeah, well, we were both at home with our two daughters. There was somehow a coup in the air. We had been fearing that there might be a military coup. On that morning, together, Victor and I listened to Allende's last speech. and heard all the radios who supported Salvador Allende falling off the air as he one by one being replaced by military marches. Victor was due to go to the Technical University, his place of work, where Allende was due to speak to announce a plebiscite at 11 o'clock.

1:50:57 Can you imagine where that's just happening? Where you just, the radio station's just dropping off the air and I guess they're playing military crap or something just ending? Wow. So anyway, this woman was Victor Jara's wife. She was on Democracy Now!, they gave her lots of time. Now who was Victor Jara? Victor Jara's this very famous folk singer that was a guest of a supporter of a yende and a socialist and so they decided to kill him and make an example out of him. Okay. So, uh, they've, the identity, there's the interesting, the interesting part of the story which isn't very well explored because democracy now is still Obama bots and so they won't really say the obvious.

1:51:38 This woman is in the country because she's part of a civil suit against the guy living in Florida who apparently was the guy who masterminded a lot of the assassinations and was brought over to the United States a few years after they ousted Pinochet and they set up shop in Orlando or someplace. He's been living here for 20 years. Wow. And so they want to... and the Chilean government has put out an extradition order to bring the guy to justice in Chile and we are ignoring it. You mean pot kettle calling? Hello? Wait, we have a jingle for that. This is the pot calling. Okay, no Snowden for you.

1:52:22 So they are going away to do anything. So they're running the civil suit because the civil suit will give more evidence that this is the guy to the US government so they will extradite the guy. But the US government's not budging on this. And apparently he brought over a bunch of these guys after the Pinochet murderous, butcherous administration was ousted. And so, okay, come on guys, get over here, we'll save you because they were all You know hung but no that's that's our government at work instead of you know we're going after Snowden but we won't extradite the real criminals that are in our country. And I find it interesting that it happens on on September 11th what an interesting date in history if you really look at it. It's crazy. A lot of stuff has happened, it really has.

1:53:11 So there's a couple other things going on, especially in the Latin community, but this is an interesting thing going on in Mexico. We got a little economic hitman action going on there that we're not paying much attention to. Thousands of people rallied in Mexico City on Sunday against the Mexican government's plans to overhaul the country's energy sector. The Mexican president, Enrique Peña Nieto, is pushing an effort to open the state-controlled oil company to investment from foreign multinationals. Addressing the crowd, former Mexico City mayor and presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador accused Peña Nieto of backing privatization. Yeah, well that's the new guy who's in. And stuff changes when you get the new guy in. You got the right guy in and now we're getting some action so our big boys can get all the money.

1:53:57 And then finally the last thing which is the NSA related story. There's two pieces to this clip and this is I didn't know this either but again it involves oil this time Brazil and this is spying on Brazil. The NSA apparently tapped into Petrobras internal communications network. The news of more NSA spying in Brazil comes one week after it emerged the US has spied on the phone calls and emails of Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto. The revelations have sparked a diplomatic uproar and threatened a planned trip to by Rousseff to the U.S. next month. At the G20 summit in Russia, Rousseff said she raised her concerns directly with President Obama and added her visit to the U.S. will depend on how Obama responds. Brazil has rejected the U.S. government's attempt to explain the spying so far. Brazilian communications minister Paulo Bernardo said, quote, all of the explanations that have been given to us from the beginning have proven to be false.

1:54:58 And apparently the Brazilian government sent a delegation to Moscow to interview Edward J Snowden about this espionage. Oh, I didn't know that. They should just go, they don't have to leave the country, they can just go to Glenn Greenwald. He writes all the answers. Yeah, he lives there. Yeah, and he writes the answers, so why not? Yeah, well anyway, there's a part two of this which I thought was funny, just kind of humorous because this is the last thing you could ever expect. In an interview with the Hindu newspaper, former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva criticized the NSA spy program and said President Obama should quote, personally apologize to the world. Yeah, I agree. You know, it's easy for him to do.

1:55:41 I found some interesting articles. First of all, Kaiser Alexander, he showed up at Burning Man. What? Yeah, he was up at Burning Man. There's reports of him at Burning Man. I think the guy's on E. Well, he would be at Burning Man. And so I'm reading all these people keep sending me interesting articles apparently he has or had a in his office he had a replica of and this may be this may be CIA PR bullcrap because of course I don't know for sure but apparently he had a like the the Star Trek like the bridge

1:56:22 replicated and then you know with it with a big chair with the captain's chair and he had the big screen in the middle yeah but he was bringing the congressmen and senators over I think this is in Florida so they could come and you know and think about how that's exactly what these nincompoop senators think is is what it is right They think, oh yes, this is all cyber stuff and this is exactly how it goes and we have to be very very careful of what's happening. And of course, if you listen to Stuart Baker, former Department of Homeland Security Secretary, depending on how things go with Syria, it's going to cause direct cyber attacks.

1:57:06 We absolutely need to prepare here by taking on Syria. We are also taking on Hezbollah and Iran, the backers of that regime. And if they choose to try to make the United States regret the sanctions it imposes. They have very substantial capabilities. Hezbollah has its own cruise missiles. I didn't know that, by the way. Hezbollah has its own cruise missiles? Well, pieces of crap.

1:57:42 terrorist organization with that kind of capability certainly can develop and use cyber attacks or can send people to the United States to carry out attacks. So we would have to go on a pretty substantial alert basis. They would be biting off a lot. They're already on alert against Israel and fighting in Syria themselves. So they may decide that it's not prudent to attack now wait for it's not a strategy for us we need to be worried about uh... defensive uh... capabilities and for the first time we face the risk that we will have a cyber attack aimed at uh... getting us to quit engaging in uh... uh... military action uh... iran is widely blamed for a series of attacks on our financial institutions that have

1:58:34 been visibly punch-pulling exercises in which the the attackers now grab This didn't happen. It just didn't happen. There is no evidence of this we've had Media reports that sounded a bit like it, but it was a drill we had the cyber drills for the right We did them yeah, but it was a drill and there's I haven't heard anything about this the attack will last and what day it will happen, and obviously they could do more and cause more damage. And again, Iran having blamed us for Stuxnet. Hello, we admitted Stuxnet.

1:59:14 Is this not at this point known and admitted? This is like unbelievable. This is the clip of the day. ...is going to be less constrained about using that kind of weapon against the United States on behalf of an ally like Syria. So we will have to up our game both physically and virtually. Virtually up your game. Up your game. That's it. That little phrase keeps cropping up up your game. Yeah up your game gotta up our game I'm gonna come and call you. Hello. This is Abdul. I'm calling the internet series. I night internet cafe. Are you there? Yeah, do you guys have PHP? Do I have root access if I come into the internet cafe because I got to drop some stuff here on the US You better up your game, baby. This is bullcrap. Oh

1:59:59 Yeah, well that's the former secretary, former director of... This is all part of the scheme just to soak the public. Yeah, of money. Of money. Yeah, I know. Four billion dollars for this cyber army that they're supposed to be putting together? Yeah, but I thought the total was like 18 that they're looking for. Well, we gotta get in on this. Yeah, I can't even build a podcast device. You've got almost none. We're almost there. We're almost there. A little Agenda 21 stuff for a moment, John. Of course, the news is now here. It was predicted to be an above average hurricane season this year due to a warmer Atlantic with nearly three months to go. She say drinking season?

2:00:45 No, I'll play it again. It was predicted to be an above-average hurricane season this year due to a warmer Atlantic with nearly three months to go. CSU researchers are now revising their hurricane estimates because there have been no major storms. Oh, oh my goodness. So it's very interesting what's taking place now. The The the messengers are out in full force on this on the the pause button on the global warming which now all scientists agree that The warming has paused but but of course everyone is freaking out explaining and and by the way I am living inside the book what was it what was

2:01:28 Come on what the book you made me read the the the dead writer come on I'm drawing a blank here the dead writer. Yeah, yeah the dead guy who wrote the about the right yes Michael Crichton What's the name of the book? Yeah, the what the hell is the name of the book? Crichton's book on global warming Crichton's encyclopedia on global warming no it was oh my god. I'm just hit them Yeah, so a favor and go to the book of knowledge. I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, I'll do it alright So what has come out and it came out in the Daily Mail? although you know not the the epitome of journalism not the pinnacle

2:02:11 This Daily Mail article does show the fact that the Arctic cap is 60% bigger than it was last year. And of course this is where everybody is freaking out. Like this is how averages work. State of fear. Thank you very much. Yeah. Stupid. I can't believe we forgot that. Anyway, our friend Farage took this, actually printed out the NASA photographs of the ice cap and took it to shove it up Borosso's game there in the Euro Parliament, which is always good for a laugh. You keep telling us that climate change is an absolute top priority and you've been greeted with almost hysteria in this place over the last 10 years. Well those of us that have been sceptical about this have been mocked, derided, called deniers. We've argued from the start that the science wasn't settled and we've argued very strongly that the measures we're taking to combat what may or may not be a problem are damaging our citizens and we've been proved to be right.

2:03:13 Tens of millions forced into fuel poverty, manufacturing industry being driven away because of course our competitors in China and in America are going for cheap fossil alternatives, and of course wind turbines blighting the landscapes and seascapes of Europe. And still today you go on about green growth. Well, the consensus is breaking behind you. You know, Commissioner Tajani the other day said that actually we face a systematic industrial massacre. It is time to stop this stupidity and to help you. There's the NASA photograph last August of the ice cap, the northern ice caps, and there is the NASA photograph

2:03:53 this year of the ice caps. It has increased by 60% in one year. Leading American scientists are now saying we are going into a period of between 15 and 30 years of global cooling. We may have made one of the biggest stupidest collective mistakes in history by getting so worried about global warming you can reverse this in the next seven or eight months you can bring down people's taxes if you don't they'll vote on it in the european elections of next year there you go and what i don't understand is that everyone is fighting this when you know the whole idea is climate change

2:04:32 If I were all of the people slapping down the deniers, I would say, yeah, I would take a whole different tactic and not try and defend the warming as, oh, it's normal, this is how it works. People are showing graphs. You know of the warming, but it's just you know over time Statistics, you know all kinds of weird things. They're pulling out. Why don't you just say yeah change can be negative, too? Why don't they get over it already and just call the climate change negative and say okay? It's cooling. Whatever doesn't make any difference. Why can't they do that John? Why can't they just go with the flow? That's what I would advise them

2:05:10 Well, the problem is no, you can't do that. That's wrong. The global coolists, which were popular in the 70s, the coolers... We are part of the coolers. Yeah, we're a couple coolers and we think it's an attempt to kill people. What, to have them buying bathing suits when they really need to park? Well, no, if you can get an ice age started, you can't stop it. And it's possible to get one started and maybe we may have done that. Hold on a second. How do you start an ice age? By cutting down on your CO2, doing everything you can to do the opposite of, you know... Wait a minute, this is new, I like this. No, we've talked about this before. I don't think we've actually put... Yes, yes we have. I can assure you. Well, I didn't get it at the time, and now I get it.

2:06:00 Yeah, it was part of the... this is when we were talking about population control. Right. So in order to... And the best way to do that is to create a... Cooling. Global cooling. Freeze everybody out, kill them all. And... Oh yeah, and now I remember. That's why I moved to Texas. Yeah, now I remember. We did talk about it. Yes, you're right. You're in good shape when it finally settles out. Yeah, and I'll be great over here. It's going to be 70. So you don't want to reverse things and put the coolest back in there. The thing is you can't, you know, you'll be observed and people can make adjustments properly instead of doing what they're doing now which is freaking out and slowing down everything they can to get the, hopefully get the... We knew this before in the 70s. I had all the documentation showing how we were headed to a global cooling period. You just have to go back and read those articles and half the people

2:06:48 that were involved with the cooling are now involved with the warming and the other half are still. There's a number of people, there's a number of people that were involved in the cooling in the 70s are still arguing for cooling. Yeah well that's like the doctor that we had on a couple weeks ago with With all of his he was testifying in the in the house. Yeah, I got a letter from one of our producers about that. Oh what they didn't like? You guys need to read more material you don't read well enough you're short sheeting the old global warming is gonna kill us all yeah it is The response to global warming is gonna kill us all absolutely

2:07:31 Anyway, well I I just sent him a note back saying you know I'm sorry you feel that way just keep you know donate donate more Already science exactly. Oh, I got a funny thing here. Where was it? Let me see if I can find it. Well while you're looking for that. Here's a little clip You can play okay, so the news hour. Thanks to Bill and Melinda Gates. This is the new news hour half hour The half hour, the news hour half hour, that's done. So Monday they revamped the regular news hour too. Oh, okay. Now it's like Huntley and Brinkley. And this is a full hour, the news hour? Yes, a regular news hour that isn't out. Right, good. Curiously.

2:08:11 they have this a Huntley and Brinkley set up real modern from the 50s and it's Glenn Eiffel or Gwen Eiffel and Monty. From now on it's Glenn. Glenn Eiffel and Monty. They're with each other and they're yakking to each other and it's like a little rapport, it's more exciting and they've changed the set so there's a couple monitors behind him because that's more modern. Do they have 3D stuff going on? No, nothing. And there's still no whooshing sounds. None of that. None of that stuff. Okay. Yet. Yet. It's forthcoming though. So here's the wrap. This is the first wrap and then I have to describe what happened as they pulled the camera away. Numbers on Making Sense. All that and more is on our website, newshour.pbs.org.

2:09:01 And that's the NewsHour for tonight. On Tuesday, President Obama addresses the nation to try to build public support for military action against Syria. I'm Judy Woodruff. And I'm Gwen Ifill. We'll see you online and again here tomorrow evening. We made it through the night. We did. On behalf of all of us at the PBS NewsHour, thank you and good night. Wow. So when someone says that, it means it was a nightmare to get this thing produced. Yeah. Yeah, that means it was a nightmare. And then they do a commercial for the railways, but then at the very end as they're pulling the camera back, the two of them do a fist bump. No! No! Yes! No, oh really?

2:09:42 Yeah. Oh, that is so wrong in so many ways. A fist bump? Yeah. Who's looking? Glenn Eiffel. Glenn, I was gonna stick with it. She holds her fist out for Judy who's looking at it. She's like curious. She's kind of, you know, they're pulling camera back so I don't know if she's winking and blinking but then she gives her the fist bump and then Eiffel just goes crazy thinking that's fantastic. No. Yeah. I'm just a bot fit fist bump Wow, let me just see I just said oh my god Well John from now on at the end of the of the best podcast in the universe you and I will do a fist bump Yeah bump. I think we should I think we can totally do this bump the mic like this. Well, what no? We'll just do we'll just do a real one

2:10:26 So while you're watching mainstream crap I received a little clip from our friends over there at the twit network And I just thought that was it was too funny. Yeah, I have to play it And I'm playing it on Thursday cuz you know it's Sunday. I didn't mean you're going up there I don't want to mess around with you, but this is Leo After you know all the revelations about all the spying from the NSA and just essentially Here is, and Leo isn't known Obama bot, here's his dismay and disappointment and how he explains that in 15 seconds which I just I'm very proud to have this. Only cynics knew what was going on. In some ways this is what really pains me the most is that the most cynical conspiracy minded people in this country have been proven right and that bothers me because I wanted to believe in the government. Fist bump Leo.

2:11:24 I think... I hope that we don't make a habit of this sort of thing. Really ridiculing these Obama bots. What do you mean? I feel sorry. I have dinners with them. I have dinners. At this point, you do. You do. I don't know if I could handle it. And let me tell you something. These are my friends. We went to Marfa. Marfa, Texas, which if it wasn't raining can actually be quite cool because they've got the Davis Observatory there There's all kinds of you know, I wanted to do some ham radio tests, but it was really it was raining We were there with Laurie Frick. She has an exhibit, which is a big deal in October So she's setting up for that. But guess what at the next dinner at the next Obot dinner? She is bringing in you don't love this. Oh, she's bringing in a ringer. She's bringing in a ringer a president of Hill and Nolton

2:12:22 Wow, uh-huh. Well you might I do true almost like that feel like playing this clip Which I keep putting on here just in case we need a real long clip Which is the lies that were used and propagated by Hill and Knowlton at a committee meeting Congressional committee meeting was actually held at a hill and Knowlton office. I found out sense that that got the Kuwait war going and I'm I was going to use it as a segue when we talk about how there's the bully pulpit and the president can achieve a lot and that's what George H.W. Bush did. No, George H.W. Bush and everybody else used this shill who came out and claimed to see a bunch of crap she never saw. She was the ambassador's daughter and she went before Congress and lied. This is about the kids in the incubators? Yeah, and this is not under oath of course because they're not idiots.

2:13:17 Well, I think we should play this because this is a good setup to the dinner now It'll be a couple weeks yet, and I said I warned Laura said I really are you really you you you do know who I am You've listened to the show haven't you you've listened to what I say about you my friend. Oh, yeah Oh, shall I tell you something you know mark you met mark right? You know what he does yeah, you know he does for a living I He's a, I understand he's a taxidermist. Yeah, exactly. So he said to me, I did not short Raytheon. Oh, you know, the guy's listening. Well, he might be listening. I don't think his wife is. Thank you very much. Our final witness is also using an assumed name. And again, we ask our friends in the media to respect the need for her to protect her family.

2:14:11 Wow, this is already... I'd forgotten how good this is. And this, and you gotta remember, every single thing is a lie. The Iraqis did not go into that hospital to throw babies on the ground. In fact, the testimony, or the information that came out later was a thousand Iraqis actually did go to that hospital to help. We finally call on Nayeera to testify. And isn't this Lieberman who's doing this setup? No, no, no, this was some other guy. It sounds like Lieberman, alright. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, my name is Nayyira and I just came out of Kuwait. My mother and I were in Kuwait on August 2nd for a peaceful summer holiday. My older sister had a baby on July 29th and we wanted to spend some time in Kuwait with her. I only pray that none of my 10th grade classmates had a summer vacation like I did. I may have wished sometime that I could be an adult, that I could grow up quickly. What I saw happen to the children of Kuwait and to my country has changed my life forever.

2:15:26 It has changed the life of all Kuwaitis, young and old. We are children no more. My sister with my five-day-old nephew traveled across the desert to safety. There was no milk available for the baby in Kuwait. They barely escaped when their car was stuck in the desert. Desert sand and help came from Saudi Arabia. I stayed behind and wanted to do something for my country. The second week after an invasion, I volunteered at the Al-Adhan Hospital with 12 other women.

2:16:07 I wanted to help as well. I was the youngest volunteer. The other women were from 20 to 30 years old. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers coming to the hospital with guns. They took the babies out of incubators, took the incubators and left the children to die on the cold floor. I think the ripping the heart out of a soldier and eating it is an upgrade from this. I'm telling you, and you have to remember as you're listening to this, this is a pack of lies. Yeah, and she was the daughter of the ambassador, right? Yeah. Some diplomat, yeah. And she was apparently, I guess she was taking acting lessons too. Whatever the case was. Academy Award winning on audio. Video, I don't recall how good it was. I do, it was good. Yeah, and she did the job. It's very good. This is... Do we need to play more? Yeah, play a little bit more. Right on cue. That was horrifying.

2:17:07 I could not help but think of my nephew, who if born premature might have died that day as well. After I left the hospital... Hold on. Bullshit! I get to do it once in a while. I like the double sniff. The double sniff is good. Double sniff is... Actually I think that's a tell, the double sniff, when you think about it. Maybe. Might be. Some of my friends and I distributed flyers condemning the Iraqi invasion. Until we were warned we might be killed if the Iraqi saw us. If the Iraqi saw us. Iraqis have destroyed everything in Kuwait. They've stripped the supermarkets of food, the pharmacies of medicine, the factories of medical supplies, ransacked their houses and tortured neighbors and friends. I saw and talked to a friend of mine after his torture and release by the Iraqis. You know, if we were doing the show back then, we would have said, who says ransacked?

2:18:02 No one uses that word. We would have called bullcrap on this. Well yeah, she's reading every word of this from a script. She's not saying anything. She's not talking. She's reading. With the sniffing in between. It probably says sniff on it. Sniff. Sniff. He's 22, but he looked as though he could have been an old man. The raccoon dunked his head into a swimming pool until he almost drowned. They pulled out his fingernails and applied electric shock to sensitive private parts of his body. I don't remember that. That's funny. Oh this whole thing gets better. That's the reason you want to keep playing. Was this before or after Abu Ghraib? This is in 91. This is before. This is George H.W. Bush. They had already pulled the shock to the testes thing then?

2:18:46 Yeah. Wow. Oh, this is really an old clip. Yeah, this is classic. If we were around during that... It's a no agenda classic clip. He was lucky to survive. If an Iraqi soldier is found dead in a neighborhood, they burn to the ground all the houses in the general vicinity and would not let firefighters come until only ash and rubble was left. The Iraqis were making fun of President Bush and verbally and physically abusing my family and me on our way out of Kuwait. We only did so because life in Kuwait became unbearable. They have forces to hide, burn and destroy everything identifying our country and our government. I want to emphasize that Kuwait is our mother and they may be our father. We repeated this on the roofs of our houses in Kuwait until the Iraqis began shooting at us and we shall repeat it again. I am glad I am 15, old enough to remember Kuwait before Saddam Hussein destroyed it and young enough to rebuild it. Thank you.

2:19:50 PFFT HA HA Mike and everything was a lie every single bit of every at every aspect of that testimony was a lie think about this was actually done in the basement of Hill and Nolten it was a subcommittee of a subcommittee Tom Lantos had about which is still floating around and it was a the whole thing was a completely rigged Hill and Nolten to this day go out of their way to deny most of this even though the evidence is stacked against them and they refuse to actually say We're sorry because they got slammed by the own the PR community itself once the word got out who this woman was and she never even volunteered for anything according to the hospital staff. She showed up one day for a few minutes and left I guess just to get the lay of the land. And ate all the Girl Scout cookies.

2:20:41 She, uh, it's a whole thing was a complete fabrication of a complete lie with the little additions. Oh, they're just they're making fun of of You know the Iraqis are making fun of your president and yet, you know, just a little needless little Assertions. Well, I can't I can't wait to bring this up at dinner. This will be a lot of fun. Hey, hey, how about how about the got any babies and incubators on the floor? Oh, this you can really you might kill your dinner thing going with this guy. That's no that according You gotta ask him read through here the wiki page on this is quite good now And then you have the clips so you I would listen to John John Stop egging me on are you insane? I'm not gonna. I gotta be careful here

2:21:27 Let's just read the wiki page and then just drop a bomb in there and just here's what I would ask I'd say oh good to meet you. Oh, he'll know yeah Yeah, you know I remember that thing you did with that girl that the ambassadors daughter with a phony testimony that she did that was great Apologize for that no. No I think I'm gonna. It's gonna be different. It's be like Can you pass the potatoes? I think they've been incubating in the pot long enough oh Don't drop them on the floor nice, baby potatoes Incubating in the pot

2:22:04 Yes, I shall. They're gonna they're gonna tar and feather me and run me out of town is what's gonna happen. None of them remember this including that guy. Hey, that's a classic clip here on the No Agenda show. It'll be in the show notes at 547.nashownotes.com. We don't promote that enough. Also, noagendanewsnetwork.com is where you can always see a running tally of stories. People who put an RSS feed in there, I use a lot, most of that is where a lot of the stories come from. And the show notes are generated from so make sure you check that. I'm cutting out for some reason here. I have a clip that is kind of a PR thing of a different nature and this is the Sharpton Cabal. Now we know how Al Sharpton works. In fact you have alerted me to this fact. How does this typically work with Sharpton? How does he, before he was on TV, how did he really make his money?

2:23:03 This is a form of extortion. You find some sucker company and you go, oh you know, you guys aren't doing things the way we'd like to see them done. I think we're going to have a big protest over here. You also notice you haven't really donated to our operation. Exactly. And Jesse Jackson perfected this. Right don't haven't they done some stuff together as well the two of them. Yeah, I don't think they like each other that much because they're in competition well Al Sharpton has a radio show and doesn't everybody these days apparently and so He's going after a company now. You said what do you use an interesting word? You said what kind of companies would they go after? Oh

2:23:42 You said like idiots. No, no, you said some stupid or some suckers sucker company. Yeah He's he's upping his game our our al and he's got some some guy on I forgot forget what his name is, but Here's what they're going after now there are no blacks on 30 percent of the fortune 500 companies board of directors okay that's a opening shot but who's he have do does he have in his sights Apple where we spend a lot of money on Apple listen to this this is great Apple is going to go after Apple because of course you know all black people have iPhones which is not true by the way I'd say the Android is bigger than the African American community no I know

2:24:29 Statistically, I think I have the numbers that the African-American community is more on Android than Apple. But okay, he's taking it and they're just going after Apple. It's unbelievable. They have a new iPhone coming out today. No blacks in board of Apple. No blacks in board of Apple. We buy up all this Apple stuff. No you don't. And can't get a bite. that we can get a bite are now today the iphone comes out uh... that is now of course produced by apple and apple is one of those companies i mean we do a tremendous amount of business in our community with apple yet we're not on their boards and there is no evidence that a lot of advertising or a lot of contracting in our community is that correct

2:25:21 That's correct. And I think, you know, it's one thing to have the measurement being are the people who are on the board. But once a person's on the board, then it's really measuring four different things. And the key is, what is the percentage of money that they spend in procurement that they're spending with minority-owned businesses or African-American firms? The second is, what percentage of senior managers or direct reports are people of color? The third is what percentage of money are you spending with or directed to African American media? And of course the last is the board of directors. The part that is so shocking is that Apple, which is probably the best known of the companies, basically strikes out against all four.

2:26:09 They have no African American directors on the company. They do little to no spending in African American media. They do little to no spending in procurement with African American firms. And as I quote you all the time, the corporate board, not corporate board, but the corporation in the executive rank, looks like the Himalayas because the higher you go the wider it gets. The higher you go the wider it gets and this is such an extortion racket because I don't think it's true. I do not think that Apple, that iPhones are big in the African-American community. First of all these things are too expensive for any poor community.

2:26:58 Because that's what he's saying. That's literally what he's saying. This whole thing is a... They just started off with, you know, Apple didn't pony up when we asked him for some cash. That's essentially it. It's really a disgusting racket he's got going on there. Using race, using race to extort money or whatever he wants to get out of it. Really, really. It's been going on for since the 60s. when jesse jackson got the formula down apparently he's been rebuked a few times there's a story about what he went into some big company with his with his angle and and the guy laid down a sister a folder in front of him and i think this had that i think inside the folder was a picture of jesse's uh... you know is illegitimate sign and his and his mistress that he had an interviewer recall yeah and it's because he barely opened up to the portfolio at the pictures

2:27:49 The door that was the end of it. There's no real conflict! Well I just I found that to be interesting because you had taught me about the extortion racket and there it is on the day of the iPhone, the new iPhones, there we have the the racket going into full swing and we'll see what happens. We'll see if he can garner up some kind of... I don't think so because I don't think people care. I agree. I think he's going to have nothing but trouble unless he pickets. That's where the final result is always. They bring out a picket line and then they get the local media to go talk to the picketers and then they got some, oh you know this is a terrible company because they hate blacks.

2:28:30 Yeah, and then that goes on the local news and it causes a you know, you know little somebody on the board You know, hey you guys you gotta get what are we gonna do about this? Well, let's get and they'll end up here's the deal. Here's my prediction put in the red book Alright, John Thompson, John Thompson John Thompson's an Ike's IBM or high-ending Executive he's been around a lot black and he will be put on the board. Ah, okay. That makes sense. This is, by the way, this is so anyone black that listens to our show, if you get into high tech... Here's an opportunity right now. You get into high tech because this extortion game is not going anywhere. Although I don't see the new guy coming up, but there'll be another guy doing it.

2:29:14 His database has been updated. So get into the executive ranks and then start getting on boards, because once you get on a couple of board of directors, you're good to go. Yeah, you're good to go for sure. You don't even have to show up at the meetings. You can Skype in. It's a great gig. Yeah, great gig. All right, I got a couple things I just wanted to mention which I'm working on more coming on Sunday. First of all, this misdirection about North Korea, very interesting. Everyone is now the or the I'm sorry, everyone I say everyone. Your news media is talking about the satellite images they have that North Korea has started their young beyond young beyond nuclear reactor and we're all supposed to be freaking out and oh boy, they're gonna make the bomb. But the real news

2:30:00 is being not reported or under-reported at best that the Kaesong Industrial Complex has now reopened with North and South Korea cooperating. This is in the demilitarized zone, which is a few clicks inside North Korea. And it was, that was, you know, closed when, you know, under heavy tension. But now they have restarted investment from more than 100 South Korean firms now in this industrial park and this is getting no coverage. So, I mean, and I was kind of surprised. I didn't know that they were cooperating. Here's North and I thought they hated each other and they're gonna kill each other and blow and shoot rockets and kill everything. We have to keep that narrative alive. And I think this is again part of Dennis Rodman's mission is he's, again, please the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group, you know, we don't have facial piercings.

2:31:01 That's our slogan by the way. Let me write that down. Curry Dvorak Consulting Group. No facial piercings. But we can have them if you think it'll help the message. And then I received encrypted note from one of our producers and this I can pretty much not tell you anything about it other than it looks like Kenya and this and and I'm kind of sad because he sent this to me on Sunday and I didn't do anything with it because I was trying to parse what he was trying to tell me Kenya is leaving or will no longer recognize the ICC the International Criminal Court

2:31:42 There's been a couple of colonels who have been killed in the past couple of weeks in Kenya And he said watch Kenya something is going on I'm not quite sure what's happening and then all of a sudden this water discovery pops up, so I'm not sure what it is I'm digging in as deep as I can but there is something going on with this water that was discovered in Kenya and the International Criminal Court, and it sounds like economic hitmen something all over the map here that is that is Something's up in Kenya. So we're looking at that and I guess this is kind of a plea if you have any more info send it off Yeah, we haven't got enough people in that area. It's a weak spot for us. Yeah, this guy's good though He definitely definitely has some some good info

2:32:31 Just for your information, I do have one last clip I want to play. Which is the tapping smartphone, so we're all aware of the situation. We knew it all along, but we're those cynics and skeptics that Leo was talking about. In another new leak from Edward Snowden, the German magazine Der Spiegel reports the NSA has developed the ability to tap into all the major smartphone models, including iPhones, Androids, and Blackberries. Hurray! Notice she doesn't mention Windows. It may be the most secure phone out there. It's got a nice camera, that's for sure. Is that the Nokia, whatever it is? It is the new Astel Windows, yeah. Right, I think, well first of all I want to thank everyone for sticking with us and sending the good karma. We had an almost completely uninterrupted broadcast, John. This is first in several weeks. A month. Several weeks.

2:33:27 I have one final recording here. Did you get this from our buddy Michael Butler in San Francisco? Yeah, yeah, this is the, this is the... giant voice system which is out in the avenues in San Francisco. There's one over by the old Mevio offices but it's not like this one because this picture, this thing, this is the classic. It's a classic with the four horns. The four horns. And there's a voice. It makes the noise. It has a voice. It's a complete slave training system. And the kicker is? It has two languages, and as you'd expect in California, it would be, tell me I'm wrong, English and Spanish. YUM! But apparently not. No. In this case. Let's listen. I like the warble by the way, it's a good warble. This, this door warning system, this is only a test. Please note, this is only a test. This is an outdoor warning system test. This is only a test.

2:34:55 So was that Chinese or Japanese? It was Chinese and I'm wondering why is a woman? I think the Chinese always have women doing their things. Yeah, I was thinking that just right now. They always have women do the warnings instead of men. And how weird is that? And that's every Tuesday I think Butler said. And you know this is going to start coming through your smartphone which we're now dubbing slave trackers. Because that's what it is. Just a slave tracker. Who needs the mark of the beast when you have the iPhone? It is the mark of the beast. I can't wait for the iPhone 666. Good ending. Yeah, that's what it is. Alright everybody!

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