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00:00 Oh, mac and cheese? Oh, let's get some mac and cheese. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, July 4th, 2013, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 527. This is no agenda. Celebrating 237 years of the Empire here at the Travis Heights Hideout in Austin, Tejas, the capital of the drone star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where I want to wish everyone a merry day, I'm John C. Dvorak. A merry day? Yeah, merry day. I realized right in the middle of what I was gonna say, this is only a holiday in one place. So go to Twitter right now and search and go into the little search box. Hold on. And then search for 213 years old. E-W-I-T-T-E-R dot com. Mm-hmm. It doesn't autocomplete for you? Uh, two and a, two thirteen?

01:03 No, 2013 years old. Oh right, there's a bunch of that. And tell me that you don't see a number of tweets of people saying, wow, happy birthday America, 2013 years. Wow, it's hard to believe America turns 213 years old today. 2013. Yeah, 2013. This is the state of the... And if somebody comes back with, well, Britain's oldest tree may be up to 5,000 years old. This is the state of the Zom... We are living in World War Z. It's not... It's all a metaphor for the world we're living in. I can't believe that people actually are tweeting these things.

01:49 So America's like the whole thing is a list of hundreds of people. Can't believe America's already 200... 2013 years old. How sad is it? No, I think it's a joke meme. No, it did not start off as a joke meme. This really started as people seriously saying this. Join the movement. New move-free ultra omega. A revolutionary omega-3 formula for two times better joint comfort. Healthy joints move free. Also for move-free, joint health is yummy with new move-free gummies.

02:27 I don't know what the hell is going on. I got like this huge commercial all of a sudden for... Where did that come from? Let's see if it's on my screen. Oh my god! No, mine stopped. What was your last commercial? It was Mazda. That was crazy! What the hell was that? It wasn't on my side. I think it was coming from you. No, no, it could have been on your side. No, no. It could have been coming from me. No. Oh my god, that was freaky. Well, anyway, happy 4th of July, John. Let's just move on. Happy 4th of July. Uh-oh. What? It's coming. There it is again.

03:08 What? The advertisement. Do you hear it? Yeah, well no I don't hear it. It's just going, apparently just going through the mixer right to you. Well I don't hear it now. Then I'm hearing something, but do it okay, all right, so just do you want you just minimize that tonight? No, it's not possible. This is what I'm telling you. This is this is a disaster Can't you just minimize all of Skype or just put it in the background? Let me just see what happens when the next ad comes up. Okay here comes one for They're just gonna play these things just incessantly while I'm trying to talk on Skype That was really weird. We just got like this really like I think it was coming through your channel though I I didn't have any browser windows over any people that want to know what I'm talking about is that I get my Skype Has is playing ads at me like within the window of this conversation. Yeah, no, I understand I understand what you're saying So I got I got my kazoo Okay, I told you I had one uh Yeah, what about Morse II? What do you think?

04:15 Well, I think a number of things. If you look at, I think it's a pretty big scale actually, if you look at Obama being in Africa and you look at what's going on with Snowden, it appears to me that we have Russia and the Chinas Essentially teaming up just to embarrass Obama wherever they can and I'm pretty sure looking at the professional signs that I've seen all these Egyptians walking around with remember The Japanese they would always have this like a medic and Yankee go home You know that had these Yankee go home these kind of weird weird signs and slogans that were Yankee go home in English. Oh

04:58 Right, so you look at the, I'm sure you've seen the 15 signs you'll never see on mainstream media in the United States, and there's like, Obama, your bitch is our leader, and all this, he's the top war criminal, but really kind of in a funky sense, you know? It's clearly not written by the CIA, and I'm thinking... No, I'm totally convinced it's not CIA. No, it's not. I think it's the Chinese and the Russians. I think it's the Russians. Well, I think it's together, John. They're doing a joint... you know, they've got a huge naval exercise they're doing right now. Both the Russians and Chinese warships have been refueling in Cyprus in the past few months.

05:41 You know, this is clearly all about the endgame, I think it's about Syria. Yeah, I agree. But to me it seems like it truly is, you know, we know that for... For the listeners out there who use us as the news source, we better play an overview. To catch them up and what I had the best one I record a bunch of us I thought the PBS one with Margaret Warner floating around the Middle East was the best Okay, let me see and and I'm a little confused actually is it now have we decided to spell Morsey with a Y now instead of an I when did the when did this happen? That's a bit. That's the point of controversy. I think it's code. I don't know what it means Okay, well exactly the depends on whose team you're on is that the deal I'm guessing okay? Let's go

06:27 Egypt's first democratically elected leader has been overthrown by the country's armed forces. President Mohamed Morsi has reportedly been moved to an undisclosed location. Morsi's Twitter account quotes him saying he rejects what he called a full coup. Margaret Warner begins our... I love it where all of a sudden, you know, Twitter accounts are, you know, news. It's official. Science is in. I know, unbelievable. Full coup. Cheers erupted from hundreds of thousands celebrating in Tahrir Square as the commander of Egypt's army announced President Mohamed Morsi was no longer in power. The Chief Justice of the Constitutional Court will declare before the court the early presidential election where the Justice of the Constitutional Court will run the State Affairs Unit in the interim period until the new president is elected.

07:21 He also said the state's Islamic-backed constitution would be suspended pending review. It all happened after a tension-filled 24 hours, as a military-imposed deadline neared for President Morsi to respond to the demands of the people in the streets. In a defiant speech to the nation last night, Morsi vehemently defended his position as the elected leader of the country. We now have a reference. We now have legitimacy with our own will, an elected president, a constitution voted by the people, and we are working according to this legitimacy. The revolution of January 25th and the achievement of its goals completely, the price tag for protecting it is my life, my own life. I want to take care of all of your lives.

08:13 When morning came, Egyptians awoke to reports that the military had taken over the Al-Aram newspaper. An armored vehicle surrounded the state television headquarters as officers were stationed in corridors and the newsroom. Minutes before the military deadline passed, Morsi's office did release a statement backing a coalition government as a means to resolve the conflict. But the last ditch effort was largely ignored by opposition political, religious and youth leaders who met instead with the military chiefs to plan a way forward and security officials reportedly imposed travel bans on Morsi and his top allies.

08:53 Yeah, this is it's it's really interesting. The words are very important in this case. I heard Anderson Cooper last night immediately He was like, oh, you know, can we call it a coup? Can we call it a half coup? Don't call it a comeback because of course if it's a coup then you know, we can't you know send our billions of dollars in military aid and I saw Dempsey the The top dog of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on a live interview on CNN. Clearly they're clueless. They have no idea what to do. Right? I thought the whole thing was hilarious. You know what, I love those laser pointers. I think that looks so smoking hot. You get the aerial shots and they've got the green laser pointers flying everywhere.

09:36 Yeah, great. That's what we need more of that more laser pointers and so There was a fight. Did you get any of the videos of the fireworks display? Yeah, the whole thing was just incredibly do you think was an interesting coincidence? We have the 4th of July here. You know and then there's this Fourth of July looking fireworks display, which I think was a mockery. Well, here's the code. And these were not just mild. This was like a set up. This didn't take days to set up. John, this is where the code is. Who makes the best fireworks in the universe? The Chinese. Thank you very much. Is this total China operation?

10:14 Well, they've been, you know, they've been getting screwed over by us left and right and then the Russians are irked to no end and now that you know Obama won't talk to Putin anymore. Well, did you see did you see the thing that came out yesterday? So imagine this Putin is sitting around and he's hanging out with his boys and believe me I think he hangs out with boys and this thing is a little too... I'm using some new equipment here so I'm Also regulating stuff while we're at it. So he's hanging out with his boys, and he says, you know what we'll do? Why don't we have that smoking hot Russian spy Anna Chapman? We'll have her like write a love letter to Snowden in the newspaper. That'll be hilarious. Did you see this?

11:01 Yeah, it's funny. And they're just going over, going back at it every single time. Oh, we can go back to that joke, Will. The guy, they're just... They're callbacks of their specialty. This is fantastic. I'm really impressed with what they're doing. What I'm kind of still wondering about is how, you know, the military in Egypt is a U.S. operation. I mean, we're the ones who trained all these guys. Not one of them has not gone through our schools in our country. Right. And they're always on our side. I think what happened is the Russians, Being the slicers that they are they'd go over there. Hey, you know these these Americans you're you're outside with the wrong group These guys are gonna screw you look at they let that Morse II guy get in there He probably works for him and they're screwing you over you're getting screwed over by your sponsors. Oh, yeah

11:44 You know, those Americans can't be trusted. They can't be trusted. You're going to have to do something before it's too late. And so here's what I think and how it kind of went down. So the president goes to Africa and then, you know, and we know he's going there to do some kind of, you know, get something started. But when you hear his his speech at Symbion Energy, which I don't know if you saw this, Symbion Energy, it said there's huge signs that left and to the right of our president. And the symbion is a little word on the placard and then there's a huge GE logo above it. So here's the president. I mean, it's a great shot. This should be the picture of his presidency really when you think about it. And he's got left and right, he's got big GE logos. And here's what he said, which I think was just when the Chinas went, oh yeah, okay. You know what? You want to muscle in on our business? Well, screw you.

12:38 We are here today to focus on one of the biggest hurdles to Africa's economic development, the fact that nearly 70% of Africans lack access to electricity. And that's why in my speech in Cape Town I announced a major new initiative, Power Africa. Power Africa! To double access to electricity here in Africa. Now the first step that we're going to take is to try to bring electricity to 20 million homes and businesses. And this plant represents the kind of public-private partnership that we want to replicate all across the continent. This facility was idle, but the Tanzanian government, under President Kikwete's leadership, committed to making reforms in the energy sector. With the support from the Millennium Challenge Grant, General Electric, and Symbion, they got it up and running again.

13:38 More Tanzanians got electricity. So Power Africa embraces this model. Public and private resources will be matched with projects led by African countries that are taking the lead on reform. In this case, African governments commit to energy reforms. The U.S. is committing some $7 billion in support. And private sector companies have already committed more than $9 billion. This is exactly what is going on. This is the Chinese game. We come in, we're gonna build power plants, we're gonna build roads, we're gonna build schools, we're gonna build hospitals. The difference is, the Chinese probably actually do it. And we just talk a big game. Yeah, but the Chinese also, you know, the game that we discussed this years ago, and I should reiterate it, is that the games the Chinese were playing before we realized what was going on, and we can't play this game because we don't

14:39 And you'll see why when I explain it. It's obvious we can't play this game. The Chinese come in, they make a lot of promises, they start building roads to get to wherever they want to get, they rebuild the towns, they do all these things, and they do it with a blank check. To bring the equipment and gear and cement and whatever they want to bring in to build their their prod projects No questions asked no tariffs and in the process they bring in all this crap to sell they bring in Chinese restaurants they well that too they I'm sure and and they bring in all these, so they set up shop, they put all these little vendors out of business because they're selling stuff without import tariffs and they dump the stuff in the, we don't have that at all, we don't have anything to sell and we don't even know that game, that game is weird, it's a Chinese thing.

15:24 And all we're doing now is just freaking out and saying, oh my God, let's just throw a lot of money at this and kind of do what the Chinese, what it looks like the Chinese are doing when that's not what they're doing. Well, but we're also doing it with our aerial drone support because we're droning people out of existence. Let's remember when we saved Libya from their evil dictator that everyone used to hang out with and had nice little photo ops with. When we saved Libya from him, the first people out of Libya were 50,000 Chinese. This is every single place that we go to save people from terrorism because they're plotting to strike America?

16:01 This is the first people out is the Chinese. I got a whole crappy those guys come I think they really I think you're right They got so fed up with it and said okay You know we're gonna show you're there in Africa with your little seven billion dollars with GE with the Millennium Challenge Corporation Have we even ever discussed this John the Millennium Challenge Corporation? I think we did some time back MCC gov this is just taxpayer money going to GE to give the give Africans electricity Wow, I need some electricity This is crazy. It's crazy. So I you know, I they just they they just went screw you and and we've got Putin on the other hand just you know making jokes and really ridiculing not just of course our president, but you know the country all of us in fact, you know, he Did you see that latest picture of him crouching? Yeah. Oh my god. I

16:57 Let me see if you can look it up in there Putin crouching. Yeah, maybe MC Putin You know probably it's It's like, you know, this is the guy you want as your president. You want this guy. Let me see Putin crouching. I'm looking up on the on the book of knowledge. He had a picture of an aikido outfit. No, that's not the one. That's funny though. Yeah, no, there's one. There's a new one and he has like his big guns and get our biceps sticking out. You know, it's like a holy crap. Why can't I find this one?

17:36 Well, it's around, but you know this guy's he's macho. You know and here is swimming Butterfly of course here is in the woods shirtless with it with it with a kalashnikov hunting something Just remember that picture is with a dead tiger Remember the picture of our president who was running around the pool in his Crocs with a water gun yeah, I mean, please This is not good. We are looking pretty silly Here he is with two dogs, a big giant Saint Bernard and a husky. Rolling around in the snow with the dogs. That's right, biting the dogs, biting the dogs and the dogs are hurt. Alright. I have to play this clip.

18:22 There's a great picture here of Putin in Eurasia, foreignpolicy.com, of Putin and Obama doing a stare down, and Obama is just like leaning over and he's threatening him, and Putin is looking at him like he's an idiot. Yeah, really? Like really? Great, great photo. I'll save that and send it to you later. I think on this day of our independence, we could not be more isolated from the entire universe. Everyone is hating America right now. And of course the worst thing is to have the Chinese and the Russians, and this is some serious, this is not even Cold War, this is lukewarm war. And the funny thing is, nobody is reporting on it. No one is just calling it. This is so funny. I know the first thing I thought when I saw this, you know, immediately because of all the meddling we did in the Middle East, the first thing you think is some intelligence agency, you think America, and then you start looking at it.

19:20 for five minutes he said this is not none of this is no scheme of ours no so who could it be it has to be the Russians and then if you put them together with the Chinese are also irked and the Russians and the Chinese rarely work together on any level hold on a second you know they just did that huge you know quarter of a trillion dollar oil deal together so you know they are definitely in bed together now which is dangerous for us yes for the dollar for everything they just screwed up our Egypt scheme. Yeah, and it's only the largest Muslim country in the universe. It's the one that we have had total control over for decades and then they just walk right in, put up a bunch of cool signs, done. Yeah, Indonesia is the largest by the way. Oh really? Is that true? I didn't know Indonesia was large. So anyway, yeah, it's pretty funny but it also sends an interesting message to the other

20:20 Islamist wannabe, which is the the guy who's Erdogan who is the head of the Turkey? Mm-hmm and they're subject to Problems that may not be caused by us. What are you seeing as the as the possible? Next step for Egypt because I'm already seeing everyone put them I'm seeing mainstream and alternative news I'll say but they're probably just copying mainstream and I'm already seeing them say El Baradei is gonna be the guy and I can't believe that because El Baradei, he's the guy that's in the international crisis group, you know, educated in the US. It doesn't seem like that. Are they just pushing for this guy to be it? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe they're hoping. Well, yeah, right. They're gonna have an election. Right.

21:05 So that's gonna be so the guy who's gonna be the guy is gonna show up in the during this election period while they have a temporary government, right? And everybody be happy for a while and then they're gonna elect somebody and it's gonna be This is where we're gonna have to go in there obviously because we know or we by this time Even though I think by now we know what's going on and we and our people have to go in there and try to get somebody elected. The problem is is that they were really smart about this and they preempted it by by really highlighting the American ambassador. I forget her name for a second, but that you know, this is she's been one of the main poster children of this as well. And they're the one there. Yeah, they're calling.

21:46 horrible bitch and a traitor all this stuff so they so you know they're gonna have to we have to put a new ambassador in I mean the whole the whole operation is destroyed we got the USAID remember they they started with throwing all of the NGO people in jail rightly so by the way this is all these are all CIA or the other State Department operations and this is what we've been doing for decades and someone's filing calling finally calling us calling our bluff and And what turns out now is this president, this administration is not going to be the worst because they're evil. It's because they're idiotically stupid. They can't even keep a good thing going. Well, it's apparent that Putin's a little sharper on the draw than Obama.

22:32 I think Obama's too, I don't think he's connected well. And he's got all these stooges working for him that are just a bunch of yes men and lackeys. He doesn't have any smart people in there. But John, the guy has no experience. He was a one-term senator in Illinois. He bops through, he does a great speech at the 2004 convention, and then he's president. This was a made man. Of course, he has no experience. He's way out of his league. Way out of his league. How would he even know what to do? I don't think he'd ever even been to Russia. He doesn't know what to do. Again, I feel sad for Barack Obama the human being because he's now in this horrible position where everything's like, you know, just read your lines, don't bump into the furniture, everything's gonna be great, you know, it's gonna be one awesome party and then he gets all this crap and his mother-in-law's living with him. I mean, geez.

23:26 The mother-in-law thing, I forgot about that, you're right. That is just the worst. Right? Yeah, no, I mean this is not a guy who is a strong male. Okay, hey Barack, listen man, we got some good news and some bad news. The good news is you're going to live in the White House. The bad news is so is your mother-in-law. And Valerie Jarrett. The new book came out, they're trying to do damage control. I don't think it's out yet. Apparently the publisher accidentally shipped it. Oh no! So all places where it showed up was at the airport in Washington DC. Oh how coincidental. Great PR campaign.

24:08 So they're everybody in the DC's read it. I want to play this clip of the the president in Africa He did a town hall meeting and you know, Miss Molly Wood was here for the past couple of days Well Mickey was in in Europe and she was here with her back. She's coming back tonight. Thank you for asking and So Molly was here with her six-year-old son Eli, which was kind of fun. I got to practice being a Guess a granddad. Oh, I didn't know that Eli was yeah. Oh, yeah, no way I had it I was prepared man. I had I had the slide whistle out the kazoo Whoopee cushions walkie-talkies, you know the whole deal I am I know how to do this few of my listeners got that one go on exactly So I'm here. I'm here with With miss Mollywood, you know, she's you know, I would say she's I

25:03 Not Obama bought but you know she has potential potential to be about whenever she's here of course, you know It's essentially a deep programming a class for her And I played this clip for her of the president at this town hall in, I think it might have been Tanzania. And this is a brain-frying moment for anyone, but certainly if you are only just getting hit in the mouth. Africa, we're going to all have to work together to find ways in which collectively we reduce carbon, but we make sure that

25:42 There's some differentiation so that countries that are very wealthy are expected to do more and countries that are still developing, obviously they shouldn't be resigned to poverty simply because you know, the West and Europe and America got there first. But this right, this right here before we move any further, this is agenda 21. This is the whole climate change thing. The whole idea is we have to give up, you know, some of our stuff here in the West to give it over to the poor people with no electricity in Africa because you know that you've seen the pictures. They got flies on their face. They're eating mush. You know, it's horrible. We have to take care of them. But here comes the kicker because yes,

26:29 Yes, the great hope from America is going to bring you electricity, but there is a small catch, Africans, a little one. That wouldn't be fair, but everybody's going to have to do something. Everybody's going to have to make some important choices here. And I expect that it's going to be your generation that helps lead this, because if we don't, it's going to be your generation that suffers the most. ultimately if you think about all the youth that everybody's mentioned here in africa if everybody's raising living standards to the point where everybody's got a car and everybody's got air conditioning everybody's got a big house well the planet will boil over oh okay hold on let me just get this straight so Africans you cannot have a car and a big house and air conditioning because the same clip by the way because the planet will actually boil over

27:23 It's good. John. We're like lobsters. It's going to boil over. We're all going to die Is this guy a piece of work or what? You know, he can't they can't let him go off script. I Know this is the stupidest thing I've heard for a long time now. It's it's We can't let you have cars and houses or electricity or a refrigerator. It's gonna boil over on you, so don't expect too much. Yeah, you know it's like you can dream, but not you can't really achieve. You know you can have... You can be sure the Chinese aren't saying these things. No! This is so dumb. It is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, well...

28:06 It's astounding and I'm ashamed. I'm just... on what should be a great day of celebration, I'm just ashamed. I'm just ashamed of what is happening. It's sad. I mean, it's so transparent and the Africans, they're going there like... we've seen their signs too. Get out! Drone man! Go away! We don't want you to take your Djibouti ass and go! We don't want your drones. We don't want your crap. You know, at least the Chinese have nice trinkets. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, I don't think we're that welcome in Africa. We're not doing a very good job of promotion or anything. And then to get snubbed by Mandela? That was the end. What was the snub? It wasn't Mandela himself, it was his family? No, it was the family, but the people surrounding him. But if Mandela, although we assume he's dead, if he were alive, he would have probably done the same thing.

29:07 You know, you can't be... the drone thing is getting on everyone's nerves. In fact, there's already been an indictment in Malaysia, I believe, for... and there's a whole bunch of... Of course, RT, again, Russians, is another clue that they're out to, you know, screw with him. If you watch the network, RT, there's all this sort of thing. Play the Obama indictment report. Hold on a second. Yep, so here we go. Tomorrow when Obama lands in South Africa, lawyers have filed for his arrest for genocide. The country that went through apartheid, attack on ethnic groups classed as inferior, charges the Obama administration's now doing the exact same thing. Indiscriminate confinement of Muslims without charge and targeted drone attacks on Muslim civilian populations around the globe.

29:55 I think it's time that the Obama administration hire the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group because you know, just give us a channel, give us MSNBC. I mean I can even make Rachel Maddow work for the cause. Anything better than what we're doing right now. RT guys, they're great! How why how here's what I'm watching this stuff you're playing another clip This is the bush prelude for the way this report was set up is that bush is an obvious war criminal We got all the goods on him. He can't travel anywhere He wanted to go to Switzerland by the way recently right and no and the Swiss could not assure his safety Oh, so so what does he get to do? Oh paint houses in Africa? Okay? It's kind of a vacation

30:34 Bush prelude to Obama, which is another RT report by the same character. Civilians were targeted. U.S. soldiers went house to house and took them out and shot them. They shot families crossing the river. Helicopters and snipers shot people. There were unknown numbers, hundreds of people that were killed in Fallujah. God bless America! Then the fourth violation of the law is the prison camp that the United States maintains at Guantanamo. Then the fifth example of lawbreaking by the Bush administration was the illegal spying program, surveillance program, spying on Americans' conversations. And then a data mining program, very much like we've heard

31:20 about lately from Edward Snowden. And then finally, the refusal to fulfill the law. When Congress would pass a law, George W. Bush would sign the law and then attach what we call a signing statement saying, yes, I'm signing this law, but I am only going to follow the parts of it that I agree with. Right, signing statements. Yeah, we haven't really talked much about signing statements. No. But there you can look them up, people can look them up. There's a presidential, there's one operation that documents these things pretty well, the, what's the name of it? The presidency, the American Presidency Project.

31:59 and they have documented, the thing came into its own during the Clinton administration and everybody just says this is great, although apparently Reagan did signing statements quite a bit. Has Obama done one or threatened to do one? I don't think he's really done any signing statements has he? Hundreds. Oh really? I thought he did zero signing statements. No, I got, here's one right here. He did it on February 17th, 2009. March 11th, March 30th, May 20th, June 2nd, June 24th, June 24th. And the more interesting one is, to this day, he's doing them. Well that's weird. That's not being reported on.

32:37 It's not being reported on at all. How is that possible? It's amazing. I don't know what's going on. If you look up signing statements, you only find very little evidence that anyone's documented the Obama ones. But Obama, the one that got me as I was reading the assignments, the signing statement on signing the Supplemental Appropriations Act in 2009. And there is a he has a little zinger in here at the end. His signing statements are interesting because he says, I'm signing this law. This is essentially what he's saying. He doesn't say it in so many words, but this is what he's saying. I'm signing this law because I'm great. Oh, OK. So then he puts it on.

33:18 So then he puts his fingers in, for example, on this one, June 24, 2009. I looked this one up. This is Obama's words. However, provisions of this bill within section 1110 to 1112 of Title 11 and sections 1403 and 1404 of Title 14 would interfere with my constitutional authority, which is the key words in signing statements. Right, his constitutional authority. His constitutional authority. Conduct foreign relations by directing the executive to take certain positions when negotiations or anything goes on. Look this up very carefully. This was his mandate to continue to arrest and incarcerate at Gitmo. So he's been on this, yeah if you really look into this, it all has to do with Gitmo. So he is saying that look, because apparently they're trying to get Gitmo, even though he's blaming everybody else for wanting to keep Gitmo going.

34:10 He's in this situation is saying I want to have these powers to do foreign relations to be able to grab somebody and throw them in the Gitmo. I don't want to have that taken away from me and that's what this all says. And this was in June 24, 2009. This is unbelievable. I'm just looking at the most recent signing statement for the National Defense Authorization Act for 2013. It's like four pages. I had no idea this wasn't this one of the things he said he wouldn't do that he wouldn't do signing statements or did I am I confusing that with line item vetoes I didn't this is never published I never hear about this yeah

34:51 And they're all bad. Yeah, well, essentially like this, just got more to read. The signing statement says, here's the law. I'm going to sign it, but I'm not going to enforce it the way it's written. I'm going to do my own thing. Not only that, but also like, but you know, I'm kind of above it. You know, this is not the way it should be. Everyone's stupid. That's what I'm reading here. Just in reading one page or one paragraph of this stuff. I didn't know that. He's gotten very verbose. This is actually now on your radar, which means this is similar. I'm giving it to you because this is executive orders. This is the kind of stuff I love. On a higher end. Yeah, this is the executive order behind the executive order. I can't believe that I haven't seen all of this. Yeah. Yeah, it's because apparently you were under the false impression that he wasn't going to pull this crap.

35:41 I thought that was one of his promises. Maybe I'm confusing it with line items. He had so many promises. How can you keep track of these things? I just don't want to take off my shoes. So anyway, so RT gave us a little tip there which I appreciate. So they go on and they start ragging on Obama about it because he's, first they outline Bush being the horrible person that he is and then the next thing they do, this is a form of propaganda of course and the Russians are really good at it, is to first you create this horrible person, George Bush, who can't leave the country and probably doesn't care to by the way, can't leave the country and then you associate him with Obama so anyone who would say

36:21 Bush hater because where's the impeach Obama bumper stickers that were all over the place with a peach bush? Right play RT rags on Obama just a straight-up one. Okay. Yeah What people don't realize is that there's been a war for four years They fought a war down through Sudan and Ethiopia and into Somalia. Who's this is this Clooney? No, this is no. It's not. Sounds like it sounds like and then they tell us in the news that there's been a terrible drought and 250,000 people have died when in fact what had happened is that all the food supply and all the water supply was basically wiped out and so they're left to die in the desert because now they're going and developing the oil fields in this new country created South Sudan.

37:02 And then when it comes to war crimes using weapons of mass destruction, I mean the depleted uranium lined Hellfire missiles, and this is a fact, they're fired from Predator and Reaper drones. They deliver at least 10 kilograms of depleted uranium which permanently contaminates the target areas. So when you go back in there, you're guaranteed if you spend too much time to get some form of horrific cancer that will kill you between 10 and 15 years. That's how poisonous this stuff is. And we've got a lot of our soldiers around this stuff that are dying, but they don't talk a lot about it. It's like our generation's Agent Orange.

37:41 I call him Obama the odious. Then you've also got the secret kill list by Obama. You've got the legal wars in Libya and elsewhere. You've got, he started the covert war in Yemen and basically deposed another leader in that country. And you know what they've done so well with this RT outfit is they've taken this, what's the girl's name from Oakland or is she from New Jersey or where she's from? Yeah, she's from Oakland, Abby. Abby, yeah. So they take her and by the way, she is, I'm sorry to say she's a moron. I mean, I've seen her speak on camera and off camera and she and she has a hard time, by the way, walking and talking at the same time. You literally can see that. I'll bring this if I can find it. I'll bring it for Sunday. I still think I have it where she says some of the dumbest stuff I have ever heard. She's on somebody's podcast.

38:29 Yes, yeah, you know yeah, I think you I think you don't think we had that clip, but we didn't play it or something I think you told me about it play it, but it's unbelievable so she's she's you know sexy in the in a I mean It's not not my type at all, but I can see where guys like oh, yeah And she's you know she's talking kind of little in a sultry kind of a song yeah And she's you know she's like a little bit of Alex Jones II without the seed sale You know kind of all the yeah, it's just It's it kind of floats in between and they got all these interesting characters They bring in on Skype and so there's enough there to make it look kind of like an alternative news when really it's just pure propaganda That's amazing. That's really amazing. Sorry not no, that's it. No. No, no, it truly is amazing it truly is and and and then I look at what we're doing and it's like how pathetic and

39:22 I mean, we really have absolutely no game. We- Wow, hold on, let me just buzz ourselves off for that. Yeah, that's how pathetic it is. Or Toure. We got us some Toure. And Don Lemon. I mean, come on people, how are we ever gonna win this war against our own people? Hire us! Hire us, please! here we go and the competitive to the south african public is you didn't condone it then why must you allow it to happen on an international basis now and so this is a genocide uh... torture uh... perpetuated campaign against people off the muslim faith one of the judges in a pakistani high court judgment that we've attached to our complaint he has declared the drone attacks to be illegal

40:20 and has asked the UN to investigate it. He seems to want to joke about the drone attacks. He's recorded as having said at one of his balls held in the US that if any person's hair designs on his daughter's, he's got predator drones. But boys don't get any ideas. I have two words for you. Predator drones. You will never see it coming. You think I'm joking. Hey, hold on a second. They're taking our material now. Yeah, they are. This is not good. I think it's amazing. I mean, interesting the way they're trying to make it sound as if he's at one of his balls. Yeah, this is a cavalier. One of his many balls, which makes it sound like he's partying. He is. He got Carole King at the White House last week. I mean, he's always living it up and partying. Yeah.

41:18 Which is a good image for the opposition, for the Russians to portray him. Because they're just nailing him. Now the one, I forgot there's one other one, which is the one, the war crimes overview from Malaysia, which is talking about all of this stuff put together and this is where they indicted him. The court said commanders were responsible for war crimes their subordinates committed. But the chamber suddenly backtracked. The US felt they were getting too close to their own commanders. The Malaysian court already found George W Bush and his deputies guilty of torture and war crimes. At the trial, Muhattir Muhammad, Malaysia's ex-premier, heard from victims and witnesses and was blunt.

42:03 These are basically murderers and they kill on a large scale. The eight convicted were John Yoo, Newsweek reports he advised Bush that whole villages can be legally quote massacred. The Dean of Yale Law School called Jay Bybee's infamous torture memo the most erroneous legal opinion he has ever read. The National Lawyers Guild filed a complaint over William Haynes' recommendations for so-called stress positions and use of dogs against prisoners. Newsweek notes Richard Cheney's lawyer, David Addington, penned a key memorandum that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to them. Alberto Gonzalez wrote that the laws against torture are, quote, obsolete and quaint.

42:47 The Senate Armed Services Committee reports Donald Rumsfeld approved the quote, aggressive techniques used in Guantanamo and black sites around the world. Richard Cheney told the Washington Times he quote, signed off on the so-called enhanced interrogations. I don't care what the international lawyers say, we're going to kick some... Said Bush notes counter-terrorism head Richard Clarke the world's leading war crimes lawyer was on that prosecution team Francis Boyle sent President Milosevic to the Hague in 2001 Yeah, these guys are good, and they got a lot of outfits. They've got that you heard it quoted in that article Washington Times Yeah, this is a great name for a publication by the way because you think of Washington Post Washington when it's Washington Times And it's just it's propaganda. It's a total propaganda outfit. It's well. They're definitely putting the pressure on these guys I'm by the way the clip before that

43:42 I thought they're gonna try to do this this guy threw it in I don't know you may have missed it you probably heard it subliminally which is he threw in this this this what do we call Obama Obama the odious oh I didn't hear that what does odious mean exactly just look it up it's like the worst world's worst person Extremely unpleasant and repulsive. Synonyms hateful, obnoxious, detestable, loathsome and abominable.

44:20 Yeah, I think that would sum it up. I think I think there's gonna crop up Obama the odious it did I like that Obama pushing it though. It's bomb Did you hear Russians are did you hear about the other trial? There's through there through being cool. Oh, no, no, this all out now It's all our war and the crazy thing is not a single not a single outfit is is acknowledging it. No one is saying oh Hey man, you know we're under attack Yeah, we're under attack by the Russians and the Chinese together. Did you hear about this about this other trial? Is this the big one? No, and before you go to that though, I want to say why is RT even on the American cables? I mean doesn't you know, why is what do we have a channel over there?

45:03 Oh yeah, CBC, yeah. I'm sure we have MSNBC over there and they're all laughing at Rachel Maddow. Ha ha ha, comrade, look at the Dykski. Ha ha ha ha, what an idiot. Maybe. The court hereby finds the defendants Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak guilty of telling slaves the truth. And our sentence is 72 hours of Pierce Morgan. Court is now adjourned.

45:40 Do we have the best people in the universe producing our show or what? So, uh, by the way, it was funny. I just had a Pavlovian reaction because at the beginning it starts with... Right, and you went... And every time I hear that I'm waiting to hear bullshit. Bullshit! Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. In the morning to you John C. Dvorak. Well in the morning to you Adam Curry. In the morning to all the ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. And to our artists who are always working hard. We had an unbelievable amount of art for the previous episode. You can find all of it at artgenerator.com and we thank R.J. Hegedus, Sir R.J.

46:24 Who graciously, I think he provided artwork for two shows in a row by some crazy coincidence of genius artwork. It's just been very good. But Nick the Rat, we do love you. I can see Nick going like... Nubies coming in. Martin JJ kind of thinks the same, but Nick the Rat for sure, because he's the most active of our traditional artists. Martin JJ, it hasn't happened enough to him that he's put stuff up and something else got chosen and he's pissed off yet. But I can see Nick is, yeah, totally. Hey man, I started doing all that crap, man.

47:05 You know that we had so much art sent in that I think that what happened was somebody in some artist forum said, hey these guys are publishing and use it as a cheap thing to promote yourself. That's the only reason it would jump that much. It went from like 10 to 50. Yeah, it's possible. Could be. Yeah, well. I'm sure we have some producers that we can thank here today, John. Yeah, we do. And just as you say that, I was just looking at one of them off. The spreadsheet closed. Oh, no. We have a... I'm not quite sure how this happened, but I would like to profusely apologize to Baroness Dame Janice Kang.

47:53 I went back and listened to our last episode and it was very interesting how, because we both have identical spreadsheets, and we're doing the executive producers, associate executive producers, and we literally talk about one and then skip right over her and I don't know why and I'm trying to figure out what... Yeah, you're supposed to be my backup. I know! And I think it's because there were two dames in a row or something that was... it was very very weird and I apologize and she had put in $333.33 which I think was also the identical number of the other executive producer who was on Sunday's show so really really sorry and I will read her note.

48:37 Dear Speed Racer and ChimChim, am I Speed Racer or are you ChimChim or what do you think? I have no idea. I meant to send this last month, but roofing repairs depleted my ITM funds. Please send karma and shake the rain sticks for California. Mutton and meat for the masses. Baronette Hess, Janice Kang from Mill... Mill... Penuts? Milpa nuts. That's what she says. Milpa nuts. And that's she's in Mil- Milpitas? Milpitas, yeah. So she says Milpa nuts, California. So I'm going to grab the rain stick while we hit some karma here. You've got karma. And thank you very much.

49:25 for the support we highly appreciate. And she'll be an executive producer today, correct? Yeah, we're gonna probably give her one for the Sunday. The people that didn't, a lot of people came in, not a lot, her and also Ron in Holland came in for the Thursday show and they were gonna get double producership so we're gonna give them the today and Sunday. I have no idea what you just said. I really don't understand what you're talking about. Maybe I'm not being clear. I'll explain it later. Okay. She knows what I'm talking about.

50:02 Because we had double producerships for anyone who gave us over $200 for the last couple of shows. I know, I got the whole list from the show. I know, I saw that list. Those will be on the website. We don't have to name them all. But we do want to thank our executive producers. We have a few today for today's show. Fourth of July, we're working? We're working Fourth of July? Live? Yes. David Bernef in Raleigh, North Carolina. 66669 and he says he's got a email let me see if he does do you We're so well prepared on this show and we do everything we do things in real time So this sort of thing happens. Why do we do things in real time? It's because we're we're we're not why we do this what the show is it's real time We're doing this show on the fly. We the show is not rehearsed. It's not

50:56 You know, we compete with the clips and all the rest, and so this is part of it. And we just get the things in late at night. By the way, everyone who got in after midnight, you'll be called out on Sunday. And then we have these situations like this. I didn't know that he said that, and when I go look in my email, there's no note. Oh, come on. I must have a note. BurnFB, you are NEFF. Now, I got the via PayPal thing, but there's no attached note. So that didn't work out. Back to the spreadsheet. Where are you? Anyway, we'll say if he has no we'll read it some other time because it was a good amount of money probably knighthood coming big-ass blonde in San Antonio, Texas 527 happy fourth I figured you deserve some overtime paid for working on the holiday. Oh, man I can't wait to see her again, and she's also the the the sole of five to seven club member on today's

51:43 a A big ass blonde. It's not really all that big actually, it's kind of nice. Well, depends on your perspective. I've never seen her butt. Well I have, Ms. Mickey has seen it too and we agree. Oh, do we have a third person for the butt panel? Yes, we need you to confirm the butt panel. Yes, anytime you can drop by and check out her butt, that would be fine.

52:20 Ron okay shoot yen shoot yen shoot yen shoot yen. Let me see I don't I don't have him on my list. What are you talking about? It's number four on the on the spreadsheet number four on my spreadsheet is big-ass blonde number four on your spot We just did David Burn F and then big-ass blonde would be the second person on the list. I'm telling you okay So who's number one then? says name. Berenettes, yeah number one is name, number two if you're looking at cell numbers, Berenettes Janis Kang, number three David Bernoff, number four Big Ass Blond, then I have Dame Francine Hardaway. Well you must have not loaded the last spreadsheet. Well you can pronounce it for me, S-C-H-U-T-J-E-N-S. You should get the newer spreadsheet because it's got a bunch of checks in it. Was there a new one? It says spreadsheet with checks.

53:20 Okay, well that came in at 11.03. I'm not looking at my email by that time. I'm playing the fat bitch. I'm rolling the show. Hey, we don't need excuses. I just wanted pronunciation. Spell it again for me. S-C-H-U-T-J-E-N-S. S-C-H-U-I-T or U- No, no. S-C-H-U... Mm-hmm. T T J E N S Schittjens. Schittjens. Schittjens. Schittjens. Holy mackerel, I wouldn't... that's impossible. Schittjens, you can say it. Schittjens. Schitt-jens. Schitt-jens. It can be done. It can be done. You can do it, John. Come on, you can do it. I'll do it, I'll do it. I'm gonna start... I'm gonna now take... I'm gonna... you know... buzz... or...

54:11 Buzz, not Buzzkill, but Eric De Schil. Schilkill. Schilkill sent me a... for Christmas or my birthday, one of the two. For my birthday, how to speak Dutch. A bunch of discs and I'm gonna have to... I'm gonna have to do it. You know, he loves you. That's clear. He's in Sweet Lake City. Where's Sweet Lake City? Oh, Zoetermeer. Okay, I get it. Schutjens. Yeah, Ron Schutjens in Sweet Lake City. That would be Zoetermeer, Sweet Lake. city. Well that's nice, it's nice to get such a good donation. This was a, we passed him, he needs to be on Sunday too, he sent us a, this was a direct deposit with a wire transfer. Wow, with IBAN and the whole thing? Yeah, I guess.

55:03 And then he has to say, well he doesn't really say, new listener, four to five months and urge to donate was finally too much after I read in the last newsletter about the double producership, which you'll get on Sunday, and show on my birthday. Oh. I can't think of a better present than listening to a live NA show on the 4th of July. So put him on the birthday list. Okay, and maybe you should do the birthday list since you're so good at pronouncing his name. Very funny. The most peculiar thing happened to me about a month ago where I got the phishing and malware warning using Chrome while checking my Gmail? Is this a mistake or is Google becoming more transparent to people about their own spying program? I wonder. Screenshot will be sent later.

55:48 I want to end by noting I got some problems with trying and hitting my girlfriend in the mouth and examples when I told her it's important to be critical when reading and listening to any kind of report. This backfired in such a way that for two whole weeks she would not accept any statement or argument whatsoever if I was not able to provide proof from at least three independent sources, reviewed, signed, and reviewed again. I think it's time for a new girlfriend. Yeah, I think so too, but he needs some job karma and then you'll be good to go. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you very much for your support. We've got karma. And he was in it with 34567. Nice. 34567. Dame Francine Hardaway is here at 333.69. She's been doing Google Glass. I've seen her on the Google Plus. It's pretty funny.

56:41 Oh I didn't, I haven't seen that. She's doing selfies. Selfies in the mirror. Selfies? I forgot that's what it was called. Selfies! Yeah. When did that become a thing? I don't know. It's when did it become... Hello? That's right, you're not on Facebook. That's all that Facebook is. It should be Face Selfie Book. That's all that it is. Face Selfie Book. And everyone's gonna get a big, one big fat arm from holding the camera out and shooting pictures of themselves. I mean even, it's even been a whole thing in the Zimmerman trial where the lawyer, the prosecutor, was it the defendant or whoever, you know, did a selfie with his daughters and eating an ice cream going like, yeah we nailed it today. And you know, it's crazy, the whole universe has become their own reality show of insanity.

57:25 That's pretty pathetic. All right onward Francis and Nancy Nancy McClure are giving a 333 33 and let me see I find that they have a note here They're from Texas. I think right yep, Glanbury a grandberry grandberry cranberry grand grandberry grandberry this is for the 4th of July show hope to check makes it in time I don't trust PayPal they are never wrong so I'm sending by mail I would like to donate this in the name of my son James McClure who lives in Austin we met Adam on the Hot Pockets tour and are happy to call him a fellow Texan now right on yeah

58:05 So anyway, thanks to them. Sir Random Hillbilly in Wilkins, West Virginia. That's where you used to be from. 33333. Not exactly Wilkins, but yeah. Sir Random Hillbilly. If I can just move this stuff here and close this. Sir Random Hillbilly warning others that the Portland to West Virginia migration is beginning. In other words, they're getting hipsters in West Virginia. Oh yeah, that's tough. It's going to be tough. You guys can endure it though. Just make sure there's a good supply of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Stephen Fettig at 333 in Darien, Wisconsin. Please give a shout out to Ramsey and the No Agenda CD Project. Remember that's also available as a podcast. Check out noagendacd.com. Keep hitting them in the mouth. Yeah, I also wanted to mention that they, because I got a note from Ramsey, they have a special Pipeline CD episode and is also available at noagendacd.com.

59:06 If you want to hit someone in the mouth, this is the place to go because they've got all kinds of one, two, you know, two and a half minute clips of real nuggets that we've done and some longer episodes. But really, it's just specific little pieces of, you know, it's it's our version of a giblet, really. And it's good. And it's it's a good place to go if you want to just send someone a link to something no agenda related and to get them into the show. Francis Lambert in Zabak. Croatia or Zabik. Oh, hey, welcome to welcome to the European Union. Yeah, good luck 24343. I'm a French-Canadian married to a Bosnian living in Croatia and working in Germany. Wow, and you're still alive? I'm a change consultant and speak five languages. I've been listening since show 500 and thought it appropriate to give you some well-deserved value back.

1:00:01 What are you looking forward to the next 43 episodes? What do you think that you got to he's been in 43 episodes? So it's 43 get it. What is a change consultant? What do you think that is? Well That's what we're gonna find out because we're asking him now to explain himself in an email And then we'll go from there because he sounds like a valuable asset does sounds like kind of an economic hitman type guy five languages You know he's from Croatia French Canadian. Yeah working in Germany This is one of our dudes married to a Bosnian mm-hmm spy What for Canada? No, I think he's married to a spy. Oh, that could be Bosnia maybe Jerry's Zack in Electra, Texas. I love the name of that town by the way, there's two towns in Texas I like one is Electra and the other one I think is called atomic you don't like La Grange 233 69 I mean I like the town but I like I'm talking about the name of the range is not interesting. Okay. Oh

1:01:05 Atomic is 233 69 ITM gents from bone-dry Electra, Texas Hmm you give them some stick there It has been so nice it's been 92 degrees Every single day. It's just been beautiful here. It's it Tony's global cooling is fantastic Yeah, normally be hotter than that. No. Well we did have a few days of Let's see, was it last Friday and Saturday was like 104, you know,

1:01:43 Yeah, that's 210 and then and then all of a sudden was like boom down to 90s and a night is like 78 77 degrees And this is the summer in Texas. I'm people don't believe me I get people emailing me for texting me even from the Netherlands man. How you doing that? He we hear America's on fire. You're burning up this global warming is gonna kill us all and I'm like, no, it's like, it's beautiful here. What do you, and of course, you know, they hear about the fires and uh... in Arizona. We've had fires since I was a little kid. Yeah, well of course there was 19 firefighters who died. That's a very bad thing. But they've been dying in these things since I was a little kid too. Colin Sloman in London, UK, 200 bucks, he'll be our last associate executive producer. Live from Glastonbury, the slaves are getting their music fixed with mac and cheese. See photos sent to you by email. You rockin' producer.

1:02:38 Colin Sloman yeah there was a there was some kind of like mac and cheese it was actually a very sad the statement about the United States at this glass and beer which is the big rock big festival multi-day festival I had this like kind of American diner type thing and it was really the most gaudiest and almost like a Like a caricature of America this this booth and you know and they were selling mac and cheese on top of it all It's it's you know, this is our true. This is our true export You used to be known for country and Western and jazz and and all kinds of you know blues rhythm and blues and technology You know now it's hey mac and cheese. Wow, that's great. You Americans are fantastic We love your mac and cheese

1:03:26 That is pathetic. So sad. So sad. We want to thank, these are our executive and associate executive producers for show 527. Want to thank them for helping us get through the 4th of July since we're working today. And remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA Dvorak, channel Dvorak dot com slash NA or No Agenda show, No Agenda nation dot com. Click on the donate button there. It's better they would be I think the previous one was out of phase this one's a little better I'm getting I've got the three three nine El Cerrito, but I can't quite remember the the Pete the the zip code yet 945 945 Rio I don't know do you even know what it is 945 309 453 okay?

1:04:22 And of course, as always, Dvorak.org slash NSA. And just a quick PR mention outside of noagendercd.com. There's a link in the show notes to the team, No Agenda Racing. uh... and then that we now have three as three writers john on team no agenda we have three we have three bright writers are still motorcycle we moved up to for a start with a formula one yet but but now this is this is a serious uh... and so we have to the video is three on board cameras of the no agenda racing team and uh... you know i think we have a pretty good shot of uh... we need to get someone of these nascar trucks

1:05:03 to just put the no agenda sticker on there. You know, we also have, I think we're going to be represented at the Tour de France this summer with some no agenda riders. You know, we're expanding, we're expanding our empire. We got to get some. Yeah, good. So link in the show notes for that. And of course, for everything else. And thank you so much to our executive producers and associate executive producers. And of course, we'll have them listed along with the double credits for everyone from the previous two episodes. And on Sunday, we What are you doing? Nothing. I had a six-year-old here who makes less noise than you do when I'm talking. Go on. We'll have everything listed in the show notes and these are real credits. You can use them for a number of things such as getting jobs. It's a very valuable possession and we'll vouch for you if necessary. Yeah, no, it's a real deal. Yeah, it's no joke. People are like, what am I going to do? I see all the time people with this at the bottom of their email signature, an executive producer.

1:06:04 No agenda show and you don't even have to put the episode there. I wouldn't do that by the way. Just say executive or associate executive producer. Yeah, put it right on there. It's good to go. Yeah, and put it on your LinkedIn. It's been proven. That's a little bit, you know, and leave out the details which is very Hollywood like. Yeah. You know, yeah, but you put them in your LinkedIn profile. This is facts It has been known to attract people to your profile. They're like, oh, that's interesting. He was starting let's Yes, starlets and coke dealers will show up at your doors fantastic. You can always go out and propagate our formula formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth Hmm

1:07:01 I'm telling you we've everyone's been busy for us here. I'm working very very hard on Making sure we have everything we need to produce the best podcast in the universe And of course, we will be thanking more people later on during our our thank-you segment. So where are we right now? Oh, yes we were talking about we had that piece from RT about the drones and I was, uh, I'm not quite sure, maybe if we listen to this together, maybe you can tell me why this is happening. NBC aired an interview with a drone operator. Did you by any chance happen to see this? No, I think I saw a teaser for it, but I never did.

1:07:44 I don't understand why they would allow this guy, unless they're working for the Russians, to embarrass this administration. I think we should listen to it together because it was shocking to hear what this guy had to say. I operated the camera. So, like the camera, zoom in, zoom out, make sure that everyone can see a good picture, make sure it's in focus. Guide the laser, shoot the spot tracker. How clear are the resolution? How clear are these images? It's pretty clear depending on like atmospherics and how... Which elevation is that it can be pretty clear. We're just sitting there And like okay, these guys are obviously bad guys, you know. The guy in the back hears the sonic boom when it reaches him and he runs forward. We were actually told to get the two guys in front, worry about the guy in the back. There's a clue for us right there. When you hear the sonic boom,

1:08:39 It's too late. That means the hellfire has been shot. Did you know this? That these things create a sonic boom? Yeah, when they're going at faster than the speed of sound, they would make a pop. Wow. Later, follow him to wherever he goes. Guy in the back runs forward between the two and we strike all three of them. And the guy that was running forward, When the smoke clears, there's a crater there. He's missing his right leg and I watch this guy bleed out. And it's clear enough that I watch him. He's grabbing his leg and he's rolling. Like I can almost see the agony on this guy's face. And eventually this guy becomes the same color as the ground that he bled upon.

1:09:19 and uh... so he was kind of go- what is this? this is and this is what i was saying i was blown away by this this is NBC they put this on the air it's disgusting NBC News oh it gets better you ready? I go you watch him die yeah yeah it was uh it Yeah! And I will say, I know drone operators who have been involved in the business who have left the business because this has to be one of the worst jobs in the world. And they're civilians! They're not even in the armed forces. They're civilians operating this. Right, which makes them liable. We've talked about that before. Drone strikes are like mortar attacks, artillery.

1:10:06 Well, artillery doesn't see this. Artillery doesn't see the result of their actions. It's really more intimate for us because we see everything. We see the before action, or before action and then after. And so I watched this guy, I watched him bleed out. I watched the result of, I guess, collectively it was our action, but ultimately I'm the responsible one who guides the missile in. So when did you start feeling bad about this program and why? Why did it start to eat away at your Because I lost that respect for life. So you'd become an assassin. I'd become heartless I'd become in it and like you felt like you were a hitman now not not necessarily. I just felt like Sociopath actually if you want to say that I wanted to kill these people no, these were bad guys these I mean we had their a list of their accomplishments underneath them, but instead of being like man, I

1:11:05 Like, these guys need to die, but I'm really sad that we have to execute extreme measures. I was like, man, I can't wait for these guys to die. When I left the 3rd SOS, they gave me a sheet of paper that said, had all my accomplishments on it. And they handed me this paper, so of all the missions, Combined either notice that the paper probably actually said accomplishments So he hates he hates the word, but it he said that in the way that oh here's you all your accomplishments directly fired shots buddy lazes helped bombs dropped from other aircraft that I guided in insurgents raids people are captured it was sixteen hundred and twenty six and

1:11:51 Total people killed on every mission that I've ever been on. How did you feel when you saw that piece of paper and it written there 1,626 dead people? Uh, disgusted with myself actually. I couldn't believe this was on NBC. I couldn't believe it was on anything. So, okay, so we got a couple interesting things here. One, they keep pushing the leading the witness with it. You felt like an assassin. You felt like a hitman. Exactly. A lot of leading the witness. Exactly. They're trying to get that out of him. He never said that. He just felt like a nutball. But the one thing that I don't know if you noticed what he says, first of all, it starts off with we know he's a bad guy, so we can kill him, which is of course, you know, extra judicial. In other words, you're the

1:12:38 Court you're the Executioner yes, yes remotely it's bull crap by the way. You don't know anything about these people you can't it's impossible But then he mentioned the one thing he says and he used the word accomplishments again But this is the first time he says that he says when he was shooting. He says he knew because their accomplishments were underneath them Remember that line yeah That means on his heads up display what he's saying as far as I can tell. Oh yeah, when he was talking about seeing them on the display. To me I got the visual of that being like a War of Wor- World of War- whatever that game is. World of Warcraft. Yeah, where you get someone's accomplishments when you have them in your sights. Well I've never played World of Warcraft. I can't even pronounce it, let alone play it. But that was the visual I got when I heard him say that.

1:13:32 Well I got the visual that on the screen there was like a little thing underneath the guy that was tracking the guy with his name and what he had done all these murders. And his accomplishments. Yeah his, which by the way was not an accomplishment. But wait a minute, the bad guy's accomplishment or this guy's accomplishment? Both. Okay. These are accomplishments. You mean basically high score is what you're saying? So, the point is, I think, is like you're driving the... this is why... somebody's got to explain this, some drone pilot. But it sounds, the way he's describing it, is he's got these guys in his sight and underneath them a little thing comes up identifying them, saying this is Bill and he murdered an old lady.

1:14:14 And this is Jim and he murdered his son and right underneath and there's they move around because you can see in real time the guy walking and the little thing underneath him moves with them and they're good to go once they're identified. Good to kill. But it's like this seems very sketchy. I don't care how pretty the picture is. It's still a video image from 15,000 feet or whatever those things are at. That's the other, well, you know, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the visuals are quite good. You look at some of the technology of Gorgon Stare and all this stuff. I understand that. Then they got adaptive optics and they do all these really cool things, but you're still talking about a desert environment with a lot of motion in the air. There is things moving because the air is unstable and so it's got... I don't see it being a really sharp image. I see it as seeing a wiggly image.

1:15:09 Well, I think well probably when they're teeing him up and getting ready for the strike That's when it may not be the clearest, but after the strike they can have their other... I mean, I don't think... They may have multiple drones doing multiple things. Yeah. And we'll find out because we know people. They'll let us know specifically about this question. Because I know people who have left the program because their job was to go and retrieve images after the strike. And it was messed up. It was just stupid. Yeah, oh here's someone else's accomplice. The funny thing is this guy didn't bring up the double tap. Well this is only a piece of the interview so I haven't seen the entire thing. This is the only piece that I got and so there may be more to it. But now that I think about it, it sounds more like this is a great propagandistic thing where

1:16:04 Yeah, who for the drone program? I think you're right. You know it was Reinforcing the well, it's a bad guy. It's clearly a bad guy. You know so he's got to die and you know but yeah, yeah sure you know I watched some bleed out, and it's it. I don't know I'm sure if we had someone who knows what they're talking about and we really Really could analyze this there's a lot of programming in here that may may actually be positive and Well, I think it's disgusting. Well, of course it is, but it's almost like, you know, like the whole conversation now about Mr. Snowden, Edward J. Mr. Snowden, is about whether he's a traitor or not, and not about whether we're being spied on by our own government. This is what you do. You just move that conversation over.

1:16:53 Yeah, well that's what we do well, but it's not helping us when it comes to this all of a sudden the emergence of a reemergence of a tepid war with Russia over Some property that they lay claim to Syria. Let's roll this out for a second. I have not heard this so it might suck Well, he sneaks around the world dodging drones sent by Obama He was an NSA contractor, but he snitched on all the plans And if you go online and tune into No Agenda, you'll find out where world is Edward Joseph Snowden. That wasn't too bad. Nah, nah, nah. Too long. Yeah, it's a setup. It's a setup for the segment.

1:17:46 You gonna talk about Snowden for a minute? I would like to because there's a couple of really strange things happening. Alright, I'm in. Okay. First of all, there's the... there is the WikiLeaks statement that he released. that immediately anyone who actually took the time to read it instead of just reading a blog that points to another blog that says hey he posted something there was some there was the way it was written was very weird and they have since changed that oh they changed it yeah because the language said the United States have

1:18:24 Whereas any American says the United States has and this is a very this is a linguistic mistake that a lot of people picked up on immediately and of course thinking this was written by someone not from the United States Oh, no, most definitely not from the United States and maybe Julian Assange here here is his mr. Snowden's puppet master Because of course we don't even this guy could be he could be one of those things one of those animatrons that they do You know what is that outfit that always makes us cool like the animated videos whenever something never something happens Japan Yeah, those guys. I mean we have no idea if Snowden is for real at this point. We really don't you know I like the picture of him sitting at the cafe or wherever it was reading desite

1:19:16 Where's his girlfriend by the way? We've got his dad, his phony dad. Why isn't she being followed? Why doesn't somebody chat her up on CNBC? Yeah, exactly. We've got the camel toe pictures of her, we've got her on the stripper pole. Can we not have her on television please? There were a lot of people who felt like the syntax and the voice of that statement did not sound even like a native English speaker. And I'm just curious, when you read that statement, what your reaction was to it. I, of course, I'm being speculative here because I don't actually know who wrote it or who influenced it. It seemed to me like the core ideas were very much consistent with how Edward Snowden thinks, but that it was sort of flavored with some person who isn't Edward Snowden. If you, I think... Cover up much, Glenn?

1:20:09 It was flavored by someone else. Yeah. What the world really knows about him in terms of how he expresses himself is the video that Laura Poitras made of my interviewing him. And he's very mild-mannered, very soft-spoken, even though his ideas are very emphatic. So the idea that he won't accept asylum in Russia if he's not allowed to continue to leak, the idea that he thinks that the US is being extremely unjust in its treatment of him and in pressuring other countries, Those are all consistent with his philosophy, but I agree there was sort of a virulent tone to it that didn't strike me as his own. Then again, he's in a pretty stressful situation given that he seems to be in suspended animation in an airport. Suspended animation? There's another clue. Let's ask a guy, here's a question for you. Do you really think he's at that airport? No, I mean the guy, no! He never... Why not? Why would he be there? He was never even in Hong Kong. We don't even know if he was there.

1:21:04 The guy's actually we don't know that he's in Alabama or somewhere. No, I'll go with that He was in home. No, I won't even go there I want to go there he was in Hong Kong and then we went to the airport and the Russians came in a media that says you're coming with us. No, no, no, no, no, and I'm not buying that I have huge doubts about this whole Snowden thing and if I see one more picture of a street scene in Hong Kong with a telescreen in the background with a huge head of Snowden, which is obviously Obviously photoshopped This is this whole thing is one gigantic scam the whole thing is a scam. Did you read his note? He's like no is now lame. Oh, I am a stateless person. No, you're not that has you know, this it's all a lie What he's saying is it is factually untrue your passport being revoked does not mean you're a stateless person and

1:21:57 As we've already shown, his passport really can't be revoked. No! The whole thing is bullcrap. I have another little interesting ditty I picked up here regarding how this all works. I need to remind people that Snowden did not leak anything. You know, he's not put anything on BitTorrent, he's not uploaded anything to a public website. He apparently gave a PowerPoint to the Washington Post and to Glenn Greenwald while his buddy, the filmmaker who was making a documentary, this whole thing is going to be a feature film, you're all going to go watch it, you're going to pay $17 to go see it, whatever.

1:22:40 He has not actually done anything himself. He has given things, if we believe it, he has given these power points to Glenn. And on the C-spans, Bob Schieffer has his own little show. Have you ever seen this? He has the Bob Schieffer School of Journalism. No, I've never seen this. When is it on? Thursday nights at 8 o'clock. I don't know. It's who knows when it's Central 6 7 Exactly 6 7 exactly so he has a little yes. He has the Bob Schieffer School of Journalism thing it's like some foundation and it's on C-SPAN and he has on Barton Gelman and

1:23:23 Barton Gelman I guess has been around he's written books the Washington Post apparently hired him specifically to report on the Snowden affair which right there is like hugely suspicious why couldn't they have their staff reporters do it you know why did they have to bring in the special guy and And just to reiterate what we know happened, as we heard from the Guardian editors on Sunday's show, they were on Charlie Rose. They were saying, well, we got the document and then we took that to the State Department, to the

1:24:01 defense intelligence agency. We took it to the NSA, we took it to the CIA, we showed it to the White House, and we said, do you have any concerns, is there any national security concerns about publishing this? And they said, no, not a problem at all. Not a problem. Good to go, go ahead and publish it. Well, the same thing happened with the Post. Security might be damaged. So here, that's Bob Schieffer saying, was there anything, were you worried that the national security might be damaged by publishing this? With what you Yeah, I did. I mean, over my career in journalism, having covered a lot of national security stories, there have been quite a few times when I saw a really hard balance to be struck and when I've had conversations with the government about their concerns. And we had those conversations this time, and I'll tell you how I started the first conversation. I said, I'm not going to hand you this document that I have, but here's the date and title and author, and I know you can find it.

1:24:57 And before we start talking, I just want you to know that everything from slides 21 to 27, we're not even thinking about publishing. Let's talk about the rest. And this is the way you presented it to the Post? Kind of in that way? Well, yeah. I mean, when I came to the Post, I had a similar conversation. I said, you know, I mean, you're going to make your own decisions. Because I no longer work there full-time. I did for 21 years. I came back to them on contract for this story. So you'll make your own decisions about what you're willing to publish and the start of the conversation, this is the part I would not myself be willing to publish. So this is Bob Schieffer being a total idiot and not listening. He's thinking about what he's, the double martini he has lined up because the guy

1:25:42 The guy just said, and I think this is why this clip is important, the guy just said he's a contractor who came in specifically for this story for some reason that he doesn't explain and of course Schieffer instead of jumping on that and saying well why were you? pick to do this story and who picked you? And the way I heard it is this guy had the document he went to the other to the government and said well you know here's what I'm not going to publish but here's the document I'm not going to do pages 21 through 47 which of course... Then you have to do the question still needs to be asked. No but wait but then I think then he went to the post and he was hired. Well then the question still needs to be asked which is what I was going to say

1:26:25 Where did he get the document? Yep to begin with since he wasn't a reporter Mm-hmm. I mean he was in the past and now he's doing what we have to find whoever he's working for now is the key to this and this Schaefer ask him Oh, well, who are you working for? Between when you used to be a reporter and when you came to do this contract job, what were you doing in the middle? there what was you how did you get this document well how does that work explain it to me he said that right no he didn't say the whole rest of it was an hour-long show was incredibly boring about you know what yeah why wouldn't he ask that's the first question you would ask what did she for is a douche oh he's not he's just I don't know what his problem is let's look at listen no no he was not listening at all here's Barton Gelman from the book of knowledge after 21 years on the staff of the Washington Post

1:27:14 Gelman resigned in February 2010 to concentrate on book and magazine writing now holds positions as senior fellow at the Century Foundation. There you go. That's it. What's the Century Foundation? Well, let's find out. He's also contributing editor at large of Time Magazine. Well, hello. What is... How come he didn't give the article to... Hold on a second. How come he didn't give the article to Time Magazine? I don't know. Huh? I don't know. What... Can I ask you? This has always bothered me. What significance does the in a title does the at-large mean?

1:27:50 I've never understood this. Okay. Can I do you have you don't have a specific beat? Can I just say I am the podcaster at large? Yeah, hello Adam Curry podcaster at large. You could it's just a bogus thing. It doesn't mean anything. It's just bullcrap. Okay. Thank you Well, I've always wondered because I'm the editor at large I was once when I was the editor of InfoWorld and I quit to just write columns and go off and not do anything and I wanted to keep the title there for a while. I kept for about two years. I was my one of my favorites. I don't see too many people using this now. It's used all the time. Consulting editor. Yeah, nice one. Consulting editor. It's a beauty. Oh yeah, I was a consulting editor there. For two years. Well, what did you do? Nothing.

1:28:35 Okay, well that was my job. At Time, Gelman's work has included cover stories on extremist domestic militias, on FBI director Robert Mueller, and on the early influences in the life of Republican Party presidential nominee Mitt Romney. He also writes Time's counter-spy blog on digital privacy and security. Why didn't Time get the story? I don't know. He wasn't large enough. No. What is the Century Foundation? Looking at it, it's like, it's just a really vague foundation. It looks like a front for something. Of course it's going to be a front for something. Really? But who is it the front for? Who else is it? I can't, I'm trying to find it. I can't find anything here. Come out, TC. Here it is. Experts and staff. Go to experts and staff. Let's see who's in here. Looks like an, let's see. Martin Abramowitz.

1:29:36 We're in policy wonks. Hey, wait a minute. Where did I just I where did I see he's also? Abramowitz Abramowitz is also the head of the the International Crisis Institute. That's the Morsey thing. You know the or the the Elberadi thing. That's interesting. Hold on a second. It's the Crisis isn't called the Crisis Institute the crisis group crisis group here. Let me see board of directors Crisis group Morton Executive Committee Morton Abramowitz on the executive committee of the crisis group and here he is He is a senior fellow at the century foundation. It's all of this stuff all of this. Who is this Abramowitz? Who is this guy?

1:30:23 He's got to have some government background. Let's see what is he doing? Oh, yeah Department of State numerous positions in the Department of State Also serving as acting presidential the International Crisis Group a multinational non-government or blah blah blah prior to joining the Carnegie Endowment In August 1991 he these guys are all we did together It was an ambassador to Turkey's also served as assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research Intel United States Ambassador to the Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction Negotiations in Vienna. What kind of bull crap title is that? United States Ambassador to the Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction Negotiations in Vienna. Ambassador to Thailand? Hmm. It sounds like a spook. Most of them are, of course.

1:31:11 Wow. So this is what it is. So this is, this is, so you can't say that this journalist is an independent journalist. He's not. This guy is a, he's influence. Yeah. This is an agency operation. It's a total agent. And if he was spying, if he wrote a book or was covering Mueller, then you've got to think he was CIA. Well, let's find out what the book about Mueller was. What's this last guy's name? This is how we do it in real time, ladies and gentlemen. This is how we do it. And we do in real time, we do a better job than the networks, which have huge staffs. And money. And money. And money. Actual dough. Actual money. Here we go. His name is Gelman. G-E-L-L-M-A-N. Barton Gelman. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning American journalist, a blogger, and best selling author. While you're looking at that, let me see what else he's done.

1:32:04 He wrote the book on Dick Cheney. Gellman broke important stories about the use of intelligence leading to the war in Iraq, including the first public reporting on the secretive White House Iraq group. This is an interesting guy. He's one of those guys that, you know, I'm not going to say that somebody else writes all this stuff for him, but Well this is a lot of... All the stuff is Washington insider stuff. You know what, because you're a writer... Barton Gellman says Dick Cheney is a liar. Oh, so the guy's a genius, huh?

1:32:51 He's got a crystal ball or something. Oh, wow. How'd you come up with that? It's okay, John You're a writer so you can't say that I'll say it Barton Gellman is a CIA asset and if he's not if he's if he's writing any of these stories he's probably getting them handed to them by Project pundit or or any of the other secret ops where they literally just write it for these guys and just hand it over and And then so it's like, you know, he, so he gets the documents and he'd say, okay, why don't you go take this to the post? The thing is, the guy is not photogenic. You know, he doesn't have a story. There's nothing behind it. And I don't know if they gave it to him for it. It sounds like from what we know, they gave the documents to him first to expose. They didn't do anything with it or the, maybe the post for whatever reason delayed. I heard that the pod, there was a set over and over again, the post sat on the story. Right.

1:33:37 because they didn't have to take it up a level and give it to all people that probably I'm sure nobody likes him he's supposed to be a personable person but a hard guy to work with is a, although that could be bull crap too, but they give it to Glenn Greenwald who takes it, you know, he knows how to run with a story. I'm sure they'd love it if Glenn... Glenn who's been sitting essentially on every talk show in the world giving himself as much publicity as he can I'm sure they would have rather not him ever have anything to do with this. Hey salty hash fuck off What are you telling me? No, I'm talking to the chat room. Sorry, but to get salty hash out of the chat room kick him out Yeah, someone will now I said people say there you go Adam just call him CIA and be done with it We're doing analysis in real time

1:34:26 I would say that considering the way he works now and this Time Magazine thing and this story that he has and nobody else has, because somebody handed it to him on a silver platter obviously, I don't see how you can make the argument against that comment. Sorry, I know I haven't gotten irritated by the chat room in a long time, but it's just you know a fourth of July We get weirdos in I guess I don't know what's going on, but just keep them out Yeah, but you know we I think we've well new people who come in they don't really they don't have the backstory We know about all these covert operations you go look at the Church Commission where?

1:35:03 It was admitted that Time Magazine has CIA agents writing and on the editorial staff. Which has got to be a really easy to do gig because you don't have to do much writing. God, I could use a... You know, you have a... it's like being a writer. I could use a gig like that. That's what I'm thinking. It's like being a writer and having a... it's kind of like the way when I do my books. I used to do these big fat books. They were all... everybody wrote about me. Except I, you know, beefed them up so at least I had some voice. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold it, hold a sec. You didn't write telecommunications for DOS? If you read the opening of the... everybody had a chapter assigned to them.

1:35:44 They wrote him and then I just went there and plugged in my voice, but it's a parent You can't write a book this book was 1,200 pages And it was produced in less than a year, and I'm a columnist that has to write you know routinely I always wanted to do write a book nobody in their right mind writes But you had your your head on the front cover going like hey hey that by the way that was never I never never wanted my head on the front cover and it had a never liked my hand and it had a gold star that said instant bestseller I saw that was fun but it was the head that bugged me who made that decision was written by a team of people who made that decision like that and I didn't

1:36:27 I didn't know this. Of course, I've never actually read the book. I'm like, eh, alright, I don't need to know about Terminal. Anyway, you might have learned something. It was written by a team of people. Which is big books are all written by teams of people. And that's when you wonder about some of these guys who are full-time journalists working at a newspaper and all of a sudden a huge book comes out. John Markoff's working on a book right now, New York Times science writer, and he has to take a leave of absence. And the book will be maybe 350, 400 pages when he's done it, but he'll work on it for a year. He's not working at the Times during the leave of absence. But these other guys, they're working on day-to-day and then they're cranking out an 800-page book? You're telling me that's not written by the CIA? It's obvious it is. Thank you for clarifying. You're absolutely right. I mean, this is

1:37:16 You gotta wonder how much is actually written by the CIA. People always think CIA, you know, ops and all that. I heard a BBC, it was crazy, a BBC, what is it, on NPR, it's like, what the hell is your world? It's like NPR for some reason is all BBC now. I don't know when this happened or when this was approved or when this was okay to do. Steve was a well, maybe there's a whole bunch of Brits on and then they had this call-in show and there were five seat former see ya they're all consultants now five former CIA agents and And they were all talking about oh, it's a lot of paperwork. Oh, it's not what people think it I'm like, oh my god I can't believe there's five of you on the phone and that they're just analysts consultants and they're writers This is it's all that it is your entire world is run by the CIA the CIA runs the United States of America and they are pissed off at the NSA because Kaiser Alexander has no gets to make his own crazy uniform. He's got

1:38:17 Huge buildings and bunkers and they can't they're impenetrable They've got anti-tank measures outside and it was time to tap this guy down a little bit. That's what's going on here I'm totally convinced that's correct and by the way before I went on off about my books the big books I will say that it would be cool if to be one of these writers because you have a team of people working for you full-time. It's like, you know, some of the... there are writers that can afford that, but most writers can't afford to have a bunch of minions writing stuff for them. It's just not possible. It's too expensive. But if you have a bunch of guys doing it for free, geez, you get the salary, you probably get an extra pension payment from those guys. It's dynamite. I mean, they even gave Anwar al-Awlaki hookers. I mean, come on!

1:39:08 Did you read about that? Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, it's like hey, why don't you come speak at the Pentagon and You know and we'll do a little luncheon thing and oh and by the way We have a special guest surprise for you tonight at the hotel. I mean, it's so obvious job Betty This is so obvious what's going on here? I mean these generals are getting it the generals in the I gotta read it till they're not useful I got to read this email. Hold on a second. Um, where is it? It's under... well, I thought I had... here it is. Justin producer Justin in fact you know what I'm gonna do it just because I can That's the ending producer Justin says Adam I love what you guys are talking about on the show about the ridiculous number of general officers in the military notice how he Addresses them as general officers

1:40:10 As a junior officer in the army, I spend upwards of 20% of my personal pay on things like pens, pencils, notebooks, and printer paper so my soldiers can function on a day-to-day basis, and I'm sure the GOs don't spend a lot of their personal pay just to keep their job. Instead, they roll around with their personal chauffeurs and a government-owned and fueled vehicles. I get it. Perks come with the job, but we, the military, are also accountable to the American public and the money they put into our pockets. And they're alienating. This is all alienating. Yeah. Well, let's put yourself in one of these guys' dempsey.

1:40:53 You got all these perks, you got good, you got a secretarial staff, you got a limo, you got a chopper, any place you want to go around town. You have a motorcade. A motorcade, you got a motorcade, you got free trips to Europe, whatever you want. You don't have to spend a nickel of your own money and then you take the $185,000 they pay you or whatever it is for a general, probably more for the chief of staff, and you just bank it. That's just walking around money. And or you invest it in hot stocks that you're told to invest in. Right. I mean, a lot of these guys get filthy rich. Investing in the stock market is a risky business. You can't be hitting home runs left and right. Which brings us to another thing that was brought up by one of our... Before you do that, I just wanted to say one last thing about this. You know the Band of Brothers? The movie? Yeah, the movie. Yeah. So that, the 101st Airborne.

1:41:50 Guess it was the 101st 506 division. These are the guys that just like a TV show movie They're the guys who got blown up at the forward operating base in Afghanistan. You know that was in the In the Argo was that the Argo movie no not are in the In the the compromise bin Laden movie that one yeah, so Right. We got Bin Laden. Is that the name of it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we got Bin Laden, Obama's awesome propaganda movie. Remember that one? Yeah, yeah, it was a good one. This outfit, it's the 506 Parachute Infantry Regiment because of the sequestration. And these guys have been around, you know, I think since the Civil War.

1:42:40 You know, the Normandy... These are the guys. This is like if you want to have an awesome... Like, if you want to call anyone a hero in the military, these are the guys. Their unit's about to be chopped up. Just done. Just go home. Because of this, everyone in the military hates Obama. They hate him. That's all I hear. They hate him. They hate that all his generals are walking around. You know, they got all the hookers and literally... And the guys that are kind of good, they've been kicked out, they've been pushed out, they've been moved out. I'm amazed we don't have an Egypt situation here.

1:43:22 Well, we've done a pretty good job, I think, of placating the public. They don't even know what we're talking about on this show, for example. Nobody's talking about it. We've got the public completely buffaloed. John, I'm watching, I've got CNN on in the corner. I see live General Dempsey singing the national anthem at a ball game. Are you kidding me? Alright, good work, Dempsey. I mean, you've got guys sitting in the sand right now. waiting to get fired and Dempsey's like singing the national anthem. Yeah, probably at the Boston game. Yeah. I took a special flight to Boston. What do you mean special flight?

1:44:06 He took a special, he jumped in his jet. It's his own plane. Challenger. No, it's not a challenger, it's a Gulfstream. Okay, he's got a big Gulfstream. Yeah, the G5. G5, and he goes up to Boston, and then he gets a limo entourage ride to the mall. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, back it up. His motorcade has already flown in the night before. Okay, so they're arrested so they're arrested. They're good to go. So he's got his 24 motorcycles His limo is there with the backup limo just in case that one breaks and then he's going to land at national

1:44:45 And then he takes the helicopter to the pad where he can rest up for a second and get his composure together. You can't do that. So have you ever tried to do your hair on a Gulfstream? It sucks. It's just no good. Why doesn't he fly into Boston? Hartford or whatever it is. That's Atlanta, I think. I'm making it up now. But anyway. Yeah, no, but something like that. It's like that. It's really like that. And he gets to be at the ballgame, watch a good game, and then salute and go back to work. Salute. And then they probably would do a flyover since he's there. He's cost like a quarter of a million dollars in tax payers. General, I got an idea. Should we fly over this, do a flyover on the stadium? Good one. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. Circle back. I didn't get a picture. I'm sorry. It is that disgusting. It truly is that disgusting. They're very cavalier. Yeah.

1:45:43 And they don't care. They just throw it in your face and the public eats it up. I bet you to get Dempsey at the ballpark he stands up and he's like, and in the audience ladies and gentlemen! And then he stands up and he gets a huge standing O from the entire audience of the ballgame. Exactly. Yeah. It's gold. It's very much like Hayden said. Hayden of course was the... Is he a general or an admiral? Yeah, he was an admiral, he was a Navy Admiral, and then he was head of the NSA, then he became head of the CIA, and now he's trying to defend himself against international indictments. He was on, I think he was with Bob Schieffer.

1:46:25 And he kind of nails it. This is what we hear over and over again from everybody, and this is why the title of our last show was meh, because we are the United States of America, like meh, we don't care. And he just reiterates how dumbed down we've become to all of this. Look, one of the results of the Snowden leaks is that it's launched in a national debate about the balance between privacy and security. I'm convinced the more the American people know exactly what it is we are doing in this balance between privacy and security. The more they know, the more comfortable they will feel. So frankly, I think we ought to be doing a bit more to explain what it is we're doing, why, and the very tight safeguards under which we're operating. You know, this... How comfortable you feeling, John? Are you feeling comfortable with how everything's going? Is it good for you?

1:47:16 Yeah, meh. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. We do have a few people to thank for a good part of our donations today. July the 4th, the day we're actually working in real time. Anonymous from anonymous or anonymous from actually from Sweden one nine eight forty William Hague speeches now my ringtone You missed his doublespeak In our countries it exists to protect their our country's freedoms most likely referring to the intelligence Wait a minute. Let me see if I get this. I'm not getting in our countries. Well should we listen to it? Oh

1:48:18 I don't remember what it was called. William Hague's speech is now my ringtone. You missed the double speaking. Our countries that exist to protect their, our country's freedoms, most likely referring to the intelligence sharing countries. Here it is. Intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework. We operate under the rule of law and are accountable for it. In some countries, secret intelligence is used to control their people. In ours, it only exists to protect their freedoms. I don't think you got it right. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say. It's bad enough. There'll be more to come from this clown. Yeah. Well, thank you very much, Anonymous in Sweden.

1:49:02 Christine Zuckman in Lost Wages Nevada $118. After listening to John's theory on the 33 meme I saw during the local newscast as they were showing the Boston feet of the manhunt. A name came across the ticker at the bottom of the screen Richard H Donahue 33 shot during gun battle. I knew right away it was a CIA setup. If you look into this, you'll notice they didn't remove the bullet so no one can prove friendly fire. Thanks for a great show. Yeah! She's got something going on. Yeah, right on. Thank you, Christine. What do we got? We got Murray Stone. Murray Stone, who sent us a note. He's in Stowe, Vermont. And it says, thanks for the excellent shows. It's in cursive, by the way. And by the way, you know, you can't read cursive through the envelope.

1:49:53 And thanks for the tip about audacity. Oh, I have been looking for a way to bust your Bust your long mp3s up into smaller Pieces it works great in exchange for the this donation. Please send me some job karma. Okay. We'll give us some job, okay? You've got anyone who goes to the trouble of sending a check and can expect some job karma Wilbur, Matthew Wilbur. Maybe that should be one of our new policies. We read your note if you send a check. Yeah, that would be good. Assuming, yeah, well, he's gonna send us a... I know there's one guy that used to constantly send pay... do a PayPal for one cent.

1:50:42 Yeah, we're not going to read your note for that. He would keep doing this. He did it and did it and did it. And we just stopped paying attention because it always came to a zero because PayPal takes the penny. So he's essentially stupidly sending PayPal money. And then he stopped and I had to stop listening to the show. I will show those idiots! Here's a penny which you get nothing from! Yeah, I'm sure it was amusing. He did it for like almost six months. I got one of the... I just got to break this for a second. I gotta read this to you. This made me like curious. Adam, I've been listening to No Agenda since the start of the year and loving it. Thanks for an entertaining and informative show.

1:51:22 As I respect your value for value funding model, I figured that I owe you an explanation as to why I won't be donating for the foreseeable future. Living outside of the US, any money that I might send to the show would end up in the broader American economy, where a portion would be taken by your government and used to fund drone strikes, torture, and surveillance of people throughout the world. It's really crappy that good guys like yourself and John end up caught in the middle of this, but I hope you can see why I can't in all good conscience send money into the US. Doing so would simply be proxy funding for your government's war on the rest of the world. Sincerely, Patrick. Well let's hope that that logic doesn't play out. Right? I mean it's a reasonable excuse. We, uh, we, uh, yeah, whatever. Spit in the bucket.

1:52:15 Speak for yourself. Murray Stone, StoverMont 100. Matthew Wilbur 100 from Rutherglen, Virginia. That's where you came from. Got $100 from the Microsoft Cash for Apps program and wanted to pass it along. If you're interested, slaves with kids looking to get their mac and cheese can check out my app, available on Android and iOS. Just look for the prize inside. Ooh, it's like a Cracker Jack box. Yeah. Alright, Benjamin Ritgers in Ames, Iowa, who also sent in a note. I think you two were right a couple of episodes ago when you said Mitt Romney was planning to run for president in 2016. I answered a political survey that hinted in that direction. Huh?

1:53:10 He's hitting his friend Jerry in the mouth by singing jingles. She likes to try macaroni at various restaurants. Wait a minute, wait a minute. How does, how is the name Jerry spelled? G-E-R-I-E. G or J? G. Okay. Alright, just want to make sure I know who's who here. She likes to try macaroni and cheese at various restaurants. This by the way is a trend. There's a bunch of trucks, you know these food trucks in San Francisco. They all have mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese? Oh, let's get some mac and cheese. It's disgusting. So when she orders mac and cheese, he sings the mac and cheese jingle. And for those of you who do not know the mac and cheese jingle... Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand. All right, onward.

1:54:01 Where were we? Matthew Wilbur, Rickers, Brock Harvey and Prince Albert Rupert. Prince Rupert in a can. British Columbia, Canada. He's a professional radio operator for the Canadian Coast Guard. Station's call sign is VAJ. Victor Apple Jerry if you are able to try and tune up to 2182 kilohertz sometime and listen to the marine FMF distress and calling frequency we get a ton of skip and also often here all around the world and have worked at maydays thousands of miles away unfortunately I can't afford to contribute more than I do but my wife and I get entertainment more entertainment from you than from any other source. Hold on let me send him a little little code back

1:54:53 Brian Hall in Ann Arbor, Michigan 74-73. He's also a ham by the way. He says 73 from Moses Hall. Kevin 8 thanks in year. Will you please stop doing that? That's like, and all the hams over 75 do that. is it kilo eight tango india yankee okay we're just gonna do it the proper way no is very in huntington beach seventy four thirty these are seventy four people that send and uh... this is a commemorative uh... donation uh...

1:55:32 He's doing it in honor of Doug Engelbart, Patrick Coble, Nashville, Tennessee, Daniel Torellio in Charleston, South Carolina, Thomas Nussbaum, Sir Thomas Nussbaum, New York, Virginia Beach, Virginia, St. Nicole, Matthew Medina in Plano, Texas, which is right up the road from here. MC Square, Davenport, Iowa, Noel Vincente in Landing, New Jersey, Duane Biblo in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. We got him on the birthday list.

1:56:09 Sam Leung in Toronto, 7413. David Perico, Sedona, Arizona. Keith Gibson, Holly Springs, North Carolina. JKLM Inc. in Hilton Head, an unbelievable place by the way. Hilton Head, South Carolina, 7413. Robert Montoya in Pleasant Hill, California down the street from me. Oleg Rakatini in Richmond Hill, Ontario. Stephen Sir Baron Grand Duke Pelsmachers. Hey now. 7413 Morton Kiernan in Copenhagen 7430 and finally Narada Staple or Stapel in Safety Bay Australia. Those people all got in on the 7413. Thank you very much we also have a lot of people who did 40s what was it?

1:56:57 4713 4713 or 4731 wasn't 40s. No. No, it's that 1313 is the 13 year 4713 Actually was and was only like four people. It wasn't all that much one two, three four Five three four five there's only five yeah, yeah, so hey great promotion John. I'm happy I'm happy people stepped up as 4th of July we could have had nothing. Yeah, which you would have had normally yeah So now we have hello 69 Unfortunately it grew so it's not gonna fade yet. Julio Percevo in Los Angeles, California. How the foot he says. Odonimous in Spookville, Virginia. Yay! Isn't that all of Virginia? 6969. Joseph Abreu in Lisbon. 6969 Portugal.

1:57:50 uh, Stevan, Stevan Pelsmacher's again, the Grand Duke Baron came in, because he can't resist this by the way, he says, he says, swazzle enough karma is always needed. It's always handy to have around. He's on the move. Wait, wait, let me give him the actual swazzle enough karma. You've got karma. He's on the move. Yeah, right. Stacey Tarpley in Webster Grove, Missouri. Jack Mangano in Avondale, Arizona, Joe Wagner in Atlanta, Audrey Symes in St. Louis and whoops you didn't close out this season. Oh, I'm sorry. 69-33. 69, dudes! She's picking up on the 69-33 idea by the way. Simon Taylor 69 even in Chichester, West Sussex. Wait a minute, Chichester.

1:58:43 Think that's where they have a like an airfield with a racing track around it such a Chester. I've been there I think I've been there on the on the way. I'm gonna look it up right now Royce kakami and IE a Hawaii 64 64 Scott Olsen 56 33 San Diego John White and 50 double niggas on the dime Jackson, Tennessee pay all pay all I was right. It's Goodwood Goodwood good race track. Yeah, good. Well, it's a racetrack and has a grass Airport right in the middle of the racing track. Okay, Paola then Valencia duarez in Zurich Switzerland says job. He needs some karma for a cool job his last donation He asked for karma to get his holiday apartment in the Swiss Alps. Got it, and we're welcome to visit. Hey Karma

1:59:32 You've got karma when you now is tickets Yeah, Matthew Janis, Ooski in Chicago 50 these are all 50 did you get sir Alan Bean? I think you might have skipped him help sir Alan being here in Oakland We sent us a nice little note by the way said he sends us he chances a $50 Donation every month. This is symbolic from my July 4th show. It's my 44th anniversary of joining the US Navy in 1969 Wow he's has some nasty things to say about the Vietnam War. Matthew Januszewski, which you're not going to share with us. Adam Hebert in South Windsor, Connecticut. Josh McDonald in Brunswick, Victoria.

2:00:15 Greg Runsell, good old Greg, Sir Greg actually, $50 in Kenosha, Wisconsin. And finally, Carl Baron in Malmo, Sweden, along with Aiden Clark in North Lakes, Queensland, Australia. A lot of Australians came in today, it's nice. I want to thank them and everyone else who donated, especially all the five people in the 4713 Club. And I would like to point out that Josh McDonald, and I think a couple people mentioned, Mentioned this maybe on Twitter where I saw it just sent us $50 and he said here's what would have been my wikipedia donation right since they're acting shady my regular subscription of course will go on and I've also seen people say the same thing about wiki leaks that they want to give What they would have donated to them. They want to hand it to us. I

2:01:05 I would say you know for all of you who are going to be tricked into believing the Electronic Frontier Foundation is good for you today is an icon changer day John have you you know about this where they've given you some code you can put it on your on your Facebook and you'll be like we want in the Independence Day we want to stop spying on us EFF rocks. Whoo Brother you might want to consider supporting someone who's actually uncovering stuff and not working for them Whoever them may be yeah them them or yeah, well you essentially if you're doing anything, but helping us you're you're contributing to one side or another of this innerness scene kind of thing where these people are battling with each other who knows what they're up to we can only get so far in our analysis without actually you know just by looking at what's available to us and

2:01:59 But there's something up. I think we're getting further than most with our analysis. Oh no, we're way out there. Nobody's even trying. They don't talk about the Russians' involvement in this Egypt deal. They don't talk about Snowden as a, you know, who knows what the hell he is and all the stuff that we've looked into about him. It's just, you know, but it's, I think, People appreciate this the it's the conversation. They're probably having if they're having a conversation most people I was that with a couple guys having a beer the other day And they they don't even have this conversation and you bring it up some of this You know the stuff we've dug up where you I don't know what? Set the stage

2:02:40 You were out with a couple... It's not that interesting. I'd set the stage if I had an interesting thing to say. I just want to know who are these dudes you're hanging out with? It was Markov from the Times and Greg Zachary. The guy who's in Africa all the time who took our night in Ghana and turned him against the show. Yeah, and you were having a beer with him. It bugs me to no end. And there's also some... And Markov is doing a book, like I said, he took time off to do it. And he's hired both these, him and a Swedish journalist that was there, who was a really nice guy, and he's hired the two of them to help him on the book. How come you didn't get hired to work on the book? What am I gonna do? I don't know, what's the book about? I just ridicule these books. I've got enough work to do. What's the book about?

2:03:27 It's about... something about robots. You know what you should have said? You should have said, oh yeah? Well Adam and I are working on a robot book too. He'd believe that. Please support us so John doesn't have to go hang out with dudes who are writing books about robots. That's really bad because I know you were trying to get a gig. That's why you were there. No, the one guy's taken off for Europe for something and we had to say goodbye to him or something. I'm not, I don't know why it was, I could have skipped it. I didn't get anything out of it. I just got a bunch of grief. You could have stayed home. You and your conspiracies. It's the easiest way to get out of talking about anything. I know. It's bad. It's people who you've known for years and then all they, and it's, and these are intelligent guys. For them to actually say,

2:04:23 You and your conspiracy theories. I mean, do they even hear with the bullcrap coming out of their own pie holes when they say that? No. They're done. Yeah, well they got the cool robot book writing gig. Yeah, well... Thank you all so very much for supporting the program. As you can tell, it's pretty much all we got going. And we like it that way. Yeah. Oh, there's that. Well, no, but we like it that way because I... Fine. N-near a show goes by that at the end of the show I don't say, I can't believe I get to do this. And we don't sell seeds. No. Heck no! Oops. Wrong one. I meant to hit this one. Here we go. Celebrating everybody!

2:05:17 Rock Harvey says happy birthday to his new human resource Elijah Anakin Glenn Harvey born on June 26 hello welcome to Gitmo Nation Ron Stichens celebrating as we put him on the birthday list Dwayne Biblow congratulates himself He is born on Independence Day, 4th of July, and Royce Kokami says happy birthday to good friend Mar who turns 40 years old today. Happy birthday from all your friends here at the Best Podcast in the Universe. And no nightings or anything like that. I will say if you're looking for a way to contribute to the Best Podcast in the Universe,

2:05:58 Lots of people do new things, you know, like so I got some coupons or I'm emptying out my PayPal account or if you would listen to us We had a hot stock tip. We we told you about noodles that it was going public It opened at $18 a share closed at $38 and 47 cents this fight the noodle boy and no, but I think we You actually said this is a hot stock. This is gonna be hot because it's depression food. It's noodles It's gonna be great and and the title of the article that I was reading about there was a Daily Beast here how a pasta chain called noodles and Co Punk'd Wall Street It's the hottest IPO of the year and we told you about it. You could have gotten in on that You could have bought I mean we did you buy anything? No, did I buy anything? No, I

2:06:46 We can't sit around touting stocks and then buying them. No, but we do have people who buy stocks and bonds all the time and if they had listened to us, they would have made a bundle that's doubling your money right there and you could have... Doubling your money in one day. That's right, and supporting the show. I'll be able to continue to climb moderately. But yes, depression food, anything that comes out that's going to be like a mac and cheese chain would kick butt. I'm sure it's in the works. So I got a couple of things. One of the things you said you might want to look into. So you know the Austin kid in the slammer? Yeah, I'm on the fence about this story. Okay, well let's play the clips I have which is Austin kid in the slammer zero. Okay. His mother says her son is on suicide watch and is in solitary confinement after having been assaulted in jail. It's very hopeless and very depressed and very scared. It's very hard to hear your child hopeless.

2:07:48 Alina Machado, CNN, Atlanta. Alina, thank you so much. I want to bring in Justin Carter's father, Jack Carter. He's joining us from Austin this morning. Jack, thank you so much for coming in. This is clearly difficult for you and your family, especially your son. First off, how is your son doing? We've told him... Do we need to set this up because you had no point... I want to... Okay, yeah, yeah, I thought there would be a little setup in there but there wasn't. We can set it up. This kid had, it was on Facebook or something and he just says he's gonna blow up a school. He was playing a video game and then someone said he was crazy and he said yeah and then he put on his Facebook he posted yeah I'm crazy I'm gonna go shoot up a school and kill a whole bunch of kids lol just kidding.

2:08:36 Right, so they arrested him in the studio. Well that is the story. That's the story. I have not seen any of this myself. Right, the story is weird. And also the LOL JK thing which was like, it was beside the point. You know, he was just joking. It doesn't make any difference. This is pre-crime nonsense. Right. So if this is the case, well we don't know. But meanwhile, so they're going after this kid and this woman that you just heard at the end, it was on CNN, she's a robot. And she is robotically, in clip number two, She's robotically asking questions. It sounds very scripted. Everything sounds very scripted, including the dad. Absolutely. And at one point he says something like, yeah, he's just an innocent kid. And then she's just under her breath says,

2:09:18 Yeah, just yeah, very softy see if you can even hear it Absolutely, I definitely see the need to investigate Such claims you know absolutely But at some point during the investigation there has to be some common sense So what do you want people to know about your son more importantly? What do you want a judge to know about your son? He's a good kid he didn't mean it it was a joke and he would never hurt anybody he's got you know younger siblings um and he's good with children he would never hurt anybody well we'll be following this very closely good luck to you and your family and good luck to your son yeah so i'm trying to decide whether she said yeah no it's yeah right it sounded yeah that's what it sounded like yeah yeah right now

2:10:11 It's creepy. Anyway, the story is weird. You're right. Well, the thing about the story is this apparently happened in October? Well, he's been in jail for five months, so yeah. Okay, it's February. And it makes no sense to me. Jail? I mean, so he's being held on terrorism charges? None of this makes sense. I don't have any documents. I can't find court documents. He was supposed to have had a court date on July 2nd. Can't I or I let's I had this has not been my main focus of research So when I say I can't that means I'd looked around I poked around I couldn't find it and

2:10:51 Everyone, this is one of the most emailed articles of the week. That's crazy! They're putting kids in jail. It doesn't, it smells wrong. I think it's like a salvo. Personally, I don't even know if this kid's in jail. I don't know anything about him. It looks to me as a shut up slave moment as it makes some kid who may not even, I mean, who knows? I mean, you can't find anything out about it. Make an example out of him to keep everybody, just get people to shut up. And in fact, that's why I think this clip, which is a total shut up moment, which is the chalk stories, there's a couple of them out there. And they're only played up on Democracy Now! because that audience is the kind of audience that needs to know this, this chalk story. Can I play it? Yeah, play it.

2:11:36 A protester in California has been acquitted of all charges after being tried for writing protest slogans on a sidewalk. Jeff Olson faced up to 13 years in prison and $13,000 in fines on misdemeanor vandalism charges after using washable chalk outside three Bank of America branches in San Diego. Olson's messages included, no thanks, big banks, and shame on Bank of America. He's accused a Bank of America executive, Darrell Freeman, of pressuring local prosecutors to go through with the case. After the verdict, Olson urged supporters to protest big banks by moving their money to local credit unions. There's one way for them to send a message.

2:10:51 Everyone, this is one of the most emailed articles of the week. That's crazy! They're putting kids in jail. It doesn't, it smells wrong. I think it's like a salvo. Personally, I don't even know if this kid's in jail. I don't know anything about him. It looks to me as a shut up slave moment as it makes some kid who may not even, I mean, who knows? I mean, you can't find anything out about it. Make an example out of him to keep everybody, just get people to shut up. And in fact, that's why I think this clip, which is a total shut up moment, which is the chalk stories, there's a couple of them out there. And they're only played up on Democracy Now! because that audience is the kind of audience that needs to know this, this chalk story. Can I play it? Yeah, play it.

2:11:36 A protester in California has been acquitted of all charges after being tried for writing protest slogans on a sidewalk. Jeff Olson faced up to 13 years in prison and $13,000 in fines on misdemeanor vandalism charges after using washable chalk outside three Bank of America branches in San Diego. Olson's messages included, no thanks, big banks, and shame on Bank of America. He's accused a Bank of America executive, Darrell Freeman, of pressuring local prosecutors to go through with the case. After the verdict, Olson urged supporters to protest big banks by moving their money to local credit unions. There's one way for them to send a message.

2:12:18 that will be heard, and that's to close your account at a big Wall Street bank and move your money to a local non-profit community credit union. If you're mad about this, you think this wasn't fair what happened to me, close your Wall Street bank account. Olson's acquittal comes days after a similar arrest in Pennsylvania. activist, A.J. Marin, was detained for using chalk to write a sidewalk slogan against Republican Governor Tom Corbett's decision to reject federal funds for expanding Medicare. Marin wrote, quote, Governor Corbett has health insurance. We should, too. He's been charged with disorderly conduct. OK, I was just going to say I was about to get really angry, but then finally she told me what the charge was, disorderly conduct.

2:13:04 And it is a total shut up slave and may I point out that while this chalk writing guy gets sentenced for writing chalk, you probably didn't see on the news that HSBC, the bank that laundered billions of dollars, billions of drug money dollars from Mexico into the United States, probably in cahoots with the government no coincidence that James Comey our nominated FBI director is on the board of HSBC they no one goes to jail no one they get a 1.92 billion dollar fine and it's all good done this is the insanity that we're living in

2:13:49 Yeah, yeah, get some kid who's writing chalk slogans. Chalk! With chalk on a sidewalk, which is public thoroughfare and this seems to be free speech if you ask me, but no, they arrest him and they're gonna throw him in jail for 13 years. You can't throw him in jail for 13 years, that's ridiculous. and it was just a shut up slave mower they were going to find him, no they weren't going to throw him in jail but they threatened it and it could happen to you and all this sort of thing and meanwhile these HBC guys who are criminals yeah true criminals yeah they get a slap on their wrist oh okay here's a billion a billion is there as the government cut by the way not not not just yes they're cut it's their vig and it's not just that and oh and by the way we'll make your guy head of the FBI

2:14:37 Yeah, that makes it even better. How good is that? It's amazing that this stuff goes on. It's just in front of everybody. Just throw it in your face. Throw it in your face. That was PBS. NPR had a fantastic shut up slave moment, which I'd like to share with you. This is Talk of the Nation. And Talk of the Nation, the whole idea is you call in and people talk about what is the Talk of the Nation? Who's the guy that runs Talk of the Nation? What's the guy's name? Who's on that show? The thing on NPR. Yeah, it's on the National Treasure. Well, here's the clip. This is the most incredible, literally shut up slave clip I have ever heard. Your voices ring in our ears. So tell us one more time. What's the Talk of the Nation? 800-989-8255. Email us talk at npr.org. You can also find us on Twitter. That's it.

2:15:26 TOTN let's go by the way it can when are they gonna start saying org instead of dot o-r-g is that what memo? Do they have about this and people too stupid to know what dot org means? John Hockenberry no way Suarez IRA flat towel. I think this is IRA. Yeah, no, maybe IRA's a chick I don't know here comes so to Bob Bob with us from Gainesville Thank you, Neil. I find that the Edward Snowden case has certainly been the talk of the nation. But the underlying issues behind this are very much interesting to me and many others. The idea as to whether or not what the government is doing in crutching on our civil liberties and reading into our phone lines and whatnot, whether or not that is done in the name of security

2:16:12 is a very interesting discussion. I feel that we should not trade our liberties for security, and of course the president for this was 9-11. Many might fear that we might have another 9-11 attack, and 9-11 being the false flag attack that it was with building 7 being a building 47 stories tall that fell in free fall speed in a matter of seconds, was not hit by any other airplane. Ah, I see we have a truth here with us. Yes, well I think that's a very derogatory term and perhaps on your last show... It's derogatory because you're talking scientific nonsense. I have to... I'm sorry to upbraid you. I am sorry to upbraid you. Please, I try to listen with respect to callers except when they have their facts fully

2:16:56 flat wrong. You think building 7 is not a very telling incident, sir? I think it fell for different reasons and the scientific community agrees with me. Well, more to the point, I agree with them. What do I know about building 7? Well, actually, the architects and engineers all are in on in our consensus. No, they are not, Bob, and I'm sorry. Yes, there's a group called architects and engineers. Bob, I'm hanging up on you because this is nonsense. Thank you. Let's move right along. Wow. That's doing your job. I love the word abrade. At first I was like, I'm sorry to upgrade you. I'm like, you're not upgrading him. You're throwing him down to economy class. Abrade. Have you ever used this word? No, I've never used that word. Do you know what it means? Okay. Scold. Well, the definition I found was scrape or wear away by friction or erosion.

2:18:02 Mmm, I think it means scrolled maybe I spelled it wrong. It's a br ade a braid I think is a ID try that okay? That's how it's like. Why would you say you I'm sorry to scrape you a Braid okay to know to awake to arouse to stir as this is oh, okay? This is like. I'm sorry. That's the NPR version of hitting you in the mouth. I guess I'm sorry to a way You know when did you get this because this? Apparently the show was just discontinued. I don't know someone sent it on Thursday June 27th That was the last day of this show they killed the show Too many truthers calling in we can't have that I don't know I don't know when the show was from this is like the truthers They called in when we heard it on at least when the at least on C-SPAN when one of them You know they one guy just hung up on the truth or and then the but the woman Actually asked if this was a conspiracy

2:19:01 thinking a little outside the box and saying that you've been somebody tell you to call us we've been telling people to call these shows forever for a long time they never do it One guy did recently, one guy made a call to a local NPR but that was it. Let me do one more shut up slave moment because this is taking place as we speak in Los Angeles, California. It started yesterday and continuing today. Here's local news coverage. A show of force from local public transit officers. Pay attention to the words in this, a show of force, okay? This is a show of force, slaves. Part training drill, part message to would-be troublemakers. Hey, hey, hey! I love this clip. CBS News' Carl Finstam this morning is live at Union Station in downtown LA with the details. Carl?

2:19:46 Well, many people here who've seen that show of force as well as some of the more unusual resources like these behind us here have come up to us asking us what's going on and officials say that's part of their goal to get everyone thinking about the Southland's security. And what you're seeing, you're seeing video of... She sounds like a stereotype. What are we seeing? Oh, you're seeing army guys. I mean they're not. Marching around? They're police but there's combat fatigues, helmets, M4s, night vision goggles. Was this done at night? No, this is during the day and they're at the metro station. Let me tell you something.

2:20:28 The LA Metro, 99% of people in Los Angeles don't even know they have a subway system. I didn't know it until I was visiting recently. Right. And it is a very good subway system actually. And so these guys are there, they're checking bags, they're frightening people. So they're standing around in army fatigue, in combat fatigues with flak jackets and backpacks and antennas. literally the night vision goggles on top of the head and cameras off the side and and just complete military militaristic gear. Explosive sniffing dogs at a huge visible and undercover force have converged on Union Station but this is not a huge visible and undercover force. Not an emergency response it's an anti-terrorism drill. We've seen complacency amongst even law enforcement in our community. Complacency!

2:21:20 regarding potential terrorist activity from abroad or even your home from domestic terrorists. Sheriff Division Chief Ted Sexton says authorities started planning for this drill in LA's mass transit system right after the Boston Marathon bombings. In part, to exercise the security lessons learned. But the high visibility drill, dubbed Operation Independence, will continue through July 4th, a major holiday. Yesterday, federal authorities released a bulletin saying the country is on heightened alert. Anytime you have a holiday, it's something that you want to look at. The Boston bombing took place on Patriots Day. The Times Square incident took place on May Day. I completely missed that one.

2:22:04 Uh, and so she sets it up by saying, July 4th, it's a major holiday! Like, I'm sorry? Really? Ah, I was unaware this was a major holiday. And then he's coming back and saying Times Square happened on May Day? Mayday's not a major holiday. Not a major holiday at all. Crazy. So dates, significant dates are always a concern to us. Chief Sexton says there are no credible threats to the LA area right now and the drill's main purpose is for different agencies to work together, exercising resources. If lights were to go out in this tunnel we can almost see like it's daytime. Officials also hope to remind the public

2:22:43 I just find this so abhorrent. Every single meme is in this package right down to the guy going, I think it's good, you know. And the police chief saying, we've become complacent, we're not reporting, we're not ratting on each other, hey there's not enough reports coming or whatever it is. This is so disgusting. Nazis. This is Nazism. Well, fascism. Yeah, I call it Nazism, whatever. Tomato, tomato. Advertising.

2:23:41 So, uh, I just said the word so. You've been saying it all during the whole show. Well, at least I caught myself here at the end. But you don't just say so, you say so-uh. So-uh. So-uh. It's like... Yeah, no, it's just a time, Phil. It's just a bad broadcasting habit. It's just to make noise. There's no difference than doing that. I'm berating myself so you don't have to. There's no difference between me doing that, and people do it all commonly, especially over the air. There's no difference between that and being a hummer. And hummers are just trying to make noise. Well, I think Don't be so harsh on yourself John. It's not that bad. It's not horrible, but you know So Could be you're making joke I could go down that road if you don't start ringing the bell on me. I can't continue this way Here we go

2:24:39 Drink and sayon, Diane's drunk again. That's right, it's time for Diane Sawyer, Drunk or Not Drunk. And this just in tonight, and it's on health care. A surprising delay to announce tonight in one of the most controversial parts of the president's new health care reform. That employer mandate which requires companies with 50 or more workers to provide health insurance or face funds. She's laughing. She's so hammered. And starting next year well tonight a timeout I Think we could lose she's drunk again, but she's so damn cute when she's drunk. You know she's like 80 you know that

2:25:23 She's really old. It's amazing. She looks as good as she does. She is she is that work done? Yeah, by the way I'm going to I think we need to change this the vernacular the vocabulary. It's not she's tipsy I think Diane doesn't really get drunk. I think she gets tipsy okay. I like it tipsy I think she is more tipsy than drunk. Yeah, it's so cute though cuz she's so pretty And she talks like she's... What? She's never... yeah, I like to see where she just... One of these days, I think we've had some tips in the past, where she is just hammered. What's up with the healthcare? How... healthcare? Oh, gosh, I gotta tell you.

2:26:05 I've been so annoyed by this Wendy Davis thing. You heard my rant of course. I think I figured it out and I was like oh my god I can't believe I was so dense not to see this. And actually it hit me when, let me see, there was another report. This is North Carolina. More breaking news tonight, this time out of North Carolina. This evening in North Carolina, the Republican majority in the legislature there made a surprise move against abortion rights in that state. This came out of nowhere. So at the last minute, North Carolina Republicans jammed a brand new, previously unseen set of anti-abortion measures into an existing bill

2:26:51 Okay. This is when the just bells went off in my head and I went and looked at this legend and of course the Sharia law thing is a red herring that's like You know, don't even pay attention to that. And it is the exact same wording as Senate Bill 5 that was the big huge controversy here in Texas. And it's about being within 30 minutes of a hospital. It's, you know, the doctor at the clinic has to have walk-in rights. You have to have two meetings before the abortion.

2:27:49 All and and I have gone so deep into this rabbit hole. I even know the insurance codes for ru-486 I mean, I've been all through this and this I just went Oh ding ding ding ding ding Okay Here's what's happening and remember now that these protests that took place here in in Austin the capital of the drone star state There were people with they had coordinated t-shirts that coordinated signs Those are never the ones you really see highlighted. You see that someone with a handwritten sign But if you really look you see oh, wait a minute. These are professionally made signs that is always a clue that this is coming from somewhere and the the mean is that these are crazy religious Republican a-holes and

2:28:35 Who are all this all about God and religion and that's why they don't want you there and there they don't want anyone to to kill babies and I can tell you one thing about a lot of these crazy Republican Religious a-holes. There's one thing they love more than God and that's money and this is when it hit me and Now the reason, what is going on here is because of the Hyde Amendment. Are you familiar with this John, the Hyde Amendment? Yeah, a little bit. Okay, I'll just summarize because people need to know. The Hyde Amendment came after the landmark Supreme Court ruling Roe v. Wade, Roe versus Wade, in which abortion was deemed legal.

2:29:23 by our American standards. Now the Hyde Amendment was put into place in 1977 and has been renewed by Congress every single year. It's usually tacked onto some bill. It's not a law, it's an amendment that keeps coming back like just bad Mexican food. And the Hyde Amendment says that no federal funds may be used to pay for an abortion. And this is kind of the way that Roe versus Wade was You know, it's kind of been accepted by all parties like, OK, well, you're allowed to do it, but the federal government is not going to pay for it. This is what this continues. So, you know, when when you hear when you heard all this stuff a couple of years ago, but oh, crazy Republicans, the one put it in the health care bill. President Obama specifically signed an executive order that said as a part of the the what is now known as the ACA, the Affordable Care Act, which has nothing to do with affordable care, but about insurance companies.

2:30:21 that specifically said no federal funds, to reiterate the Hyde Amendment, stays intact and this is kind of replaced the Hyde Amendment, no federal funds may be used for abortions. However, states may put their own money into their local Medicare and Medicaid programs or whatever program they want But if that is put into an insurance package, they actually have to segregate the money. It's like some kind of like we're going to the supermarket and Mickey brings $10 and I bring $10 and we're only going to use her $10 to buy the milk because I'm you know, we've agreed I won't pay for milk. I mean it's total bullcrap is what it is.

2:31:01 And so I've been following this very closely. We have the money that was going into Planned Parenthood in Texas. They have new rules about affiliation with an abortion clinic. You can't advise and be affiliated with a clinic that aborts. The money's going to crisis pregnancy centers, and there's all kinds of organizations. What I'm going to tell you right now, I'll put this in the book, because I'm seeing this exact same wording everywhere and in this senate bill five it actually repeals one of the important parts of texas legislature which states

2:31:41 It used to be that the requirements for an abortion clinic could not be higher than those placed upon Medicaid clinics. That has now been repealed and been replaced with this language which is now cropping up in every single state and it is exactly the same language. Three quarters of the Texas bill is about the requirement for the clinic. And and what whoever's why ever this I think it's problem reaction solution Whoever is funding this which I suspect, you know insurance companies something is going to change and there's going to be a bonanza in clinics that adhere Exactly to what is it is so well laid out John. It's like a blueprint You can go if I had money I'd start one of these clinics tomorrow because it's gonna be a bonanza

2:32:30 It's going to get funded somehow, some way, and I think a part of this delaying of the implementation of the health care bill until 2015 has something to do with this. There's no other reason why every single state comes up with the same requirements for a clinic. Well, it would make sense because what you would end up with is similar to what the pharmaceutical companies have done, is you create a market for your product, which is in this case abortions, and then you look over the code, the Affordable Care Act in this case or whatever is going to come down the road or something they expect. They might know about some legislation, something where you can get these.

2:33:10 you get these abortions actually funded by the government. So thus you jack up the price so now it's $5,000. Well here's the beauty. You just crank them out and you make crap loads of money. Well here's the beauty of it. The actual amount of second term or what they would call late term abortions, I mean it's so disgusting I have to research this, but I do it because it's important to wade through the bull crap, is very, very low. The percentage is much smaller than you'd expect, at least the ones that I've researched in Texas. Most of the abortions are done through RU-486.

2:33:46 which is the, it's essentially, it's medication. You go in and this is what's great about it. You can have clinics where you have to have two appointments, it has to be in a certain proximity. More money, more money. Right, but they won't actually be doing a lot of surgical procedures there. You're just gonna go in and you're gonna take a pill and you come back and get two more sessions or whatever it is and your baby aborts. That's what's going to happen and you're right, it's now $500, it's going to go to $5,000. It's so obvious what is going on here. It's because you're not paying for it. So nobody's going to complain. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to happen. And so the weird twisted bit about all this, and I'm thinking maybe these protesters are...

2:34:35 The way I see, the way I would do it if I were running the show would be, okay, you know, look, here's what we're going to do. We understand you're all pissed. You know, we're going to have this bill go through, but we're going to have a little compromise. So we have all these stringent restrictions on what a clinic can do. We don't want to shut everything down. We're going to take a part of the Texas Women Healthcare Program and we're going to fund this specific type of clinic. And done. It's going to be a bonanza. And I think very soon, I think you're going to see it very soon in North Carolina is going to be in and all these other states that have the exact, I mean, you can't tell me that they're all thinking, oh, let's do it exactly the same requirements. Let's all have the same requirements for these types of clinics.

2:35:25 I don't... Yes, what you're saying to summarize, what you're saying it seems highly unlikely that all these places where this activity is taking place would use the exact same language and the exact same type of bill for some obvious reason which is not being explored. And why all of a sudden did North Carolina have to jam it in? And why all of a sudden? Period. And North Carolina had to jam it in all of a sudden. Why? Because something's happening. Yeah, something's up. Something's up. I got a lot of response to that rant which I'm very appreciative of, mostly positive some negative, but I also did want to say that

2:36:03 That, you know, outside of the crazy slaves that got riled up to go yell and scream and shout and talk about get the government out of my vagina and all this stuff. Whatever, it's fine. But please, you know, also know there's something else going on here. And it's not just a bunch of crazy religious Republicans. That also, I dislike that because that breeds so much hate for people who have a different opinion. And it's okay to have a different opinion. No. Nah, no. I was talking to someone about this the other day, which will go unmentioned, and what this woman, and the woman said, you can't just steamroll over the minority. I was like, that's a very interesting way of looking at things.

2:36:57 That's why we have a federalist style government. No, but the but the the point being so this bill passes because the well because the majority of of the Senate the Texas Senate Voted for the bill. Yeah, but but then it's like yeah, but you can't just roll over the minority who lost the vote Well, yeah, that's why that's why you have a vote. I don't understand the problem. I We can't have losers? Your idea wins, the other one loses? I don't understand. How does that work? We can't all... Isn't that how a democracy functions? Yeah, it's like the marijuana thing. We lost legalizing marijuana in the state of California, so you can't just roll over the minority so we should be able to smoke marijuana? I mean, I don't get the logic. It's just a craziness that people say. It's a little discouraging.