Tripwire

00:00 Hey kid, your pig looks delicious. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Sunday, August 12th, 2012. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 434. This is no agenda. Right in front of Dottie Mae and at the bottom of the bogus basin from Gitmo Nation, Potato, Boise, Idaho in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I can hear the music but I can barely hear Adam Curry, I'm John C. Dvorak. Do you need more of me John do you need more I need more of you and let yeah How's that do you have more of me now is this better? Well? I did this it's it's it's relative. That's the problem. Oh really well Because you know if you play some music and then try to talk under it. I can see if it's Okay, well hold on a second. Let's try this Do you hear me while I'm talking over this?

00:57 I can't hear a word you said. Not important, don't worry. Yes, John, here in Boise, Idaho. That is the proper pronunciation, by the way. Boise? Boise, yes. So you pronounce it with an S? With an S. Boise? Boise. If you say Boise here, then you're a douchebag. Boise boys, I mean boy We're doing theater and Boise Exactly, so it's Boise. Yeah, I'd learn this at our meetup. Yeah, they all are condemning you for saying it wrong They were looking at me like it is Not boys easy Yeah, but but it you know, you kind of got to say it the way they've talked here. So it's like a Boise. Oh

01:53 There's a lot of mumbling going on. They mumble in Boise. I've been reliably informed. In the morning to you John C. Dvorak. In the morning to you Adam Curry. In the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground, subs in the water, feet in the air. Yes, and people jumping from planes here in Boise. Actually I'm at Caldwell Airport. You're at the airport? I'm at the airport. I'm right in front of the hangar. Our associate executive producer who has been putting us up for the past two days here is Chris Breshears, not an unknown entity to the show. And Chris has kindly taken us in. And in order to keep me as cool as possible, we have set up the sin bin in front of his brother's aircraft hangar.

02:44 And he has a little company here called Vintage Airframes. And he restores warbirds. Yes, and so right behind me in the hangar is Dottie Mae. Dottie Mae, very famous P-47 aircraft. In fact, if you go to DottieMae.Curry.com D-O-T-T-I-E-M-A-Y dottymay.curry.com You'll see a webpage there about this aircraft, which he's restoring to its original flying status. The whole story behind this aircraft was the last one to fly over Europe, I think, on the day of the liberation. And the pilot was doing something low over the lake and crash landed into the lake.

03:33 And it was at the bottom of this lake for, I don't know, 40 years or something. It was in the news like, uh, five or six years ago. Amazing we won that war. Sorry? It's amazing we won that war. Goofballs. By the way, it should be M-A-E, but I misspelled it, so just go to M-A-Y. My mistake. And, uh, but the cool thing is, is, uh, Chris's brother Mike, he has one of these swamp coolers for the hangar. Yeah, we have one in the house. Not this one. This thing is six feet tall. Well that's a little bigger than ours. Yeah, yeah, it's huge. You hook up a hose and then it basically blows really cool air and I've got the uh... the... the side window. Is it hot in Boise? It's very hot in Boise. It can get up to a hundred plus degrees. And it's very smoky in Boise. Oh really? Yeah. From what? From what? From the fires, dude. What fires? Oh shoot, you're already... Is Idaho on fire? Yes, Idaho is on fire and you are on helium.

04:35 Well, you sent me to this website and it's got a lot of... a lot of... a lot of animated stuff. Yeah, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that. I don't know why you keep doing that and then I end up like this and we have to reconnect. Maybe if you update your Skype or something. I think it's time. I don't want to update the Skype. All right, I'm gonna call you back. I hate that stupid Skype. He's got to update the Skype, man. It'll make it so much better. Let's see if this works. Hello? Is this any good? Yeah, that's much better. Okay. Yeah, you're good. It was breaking up. The ringtone's breaking up. Try it again. No, no, it's good. It's good, it's good. Don't hang up. Don't hang... He hung up. Don't do that. It takes a second, man. He's such a connoisseur of technology. Is this any better? Yeah, it's good. Don't hang up. Give it a second to adjust. No, no, it was all... It was not ringing right, even. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're okay.

05:44 Okay, yeah, so when we drove up from Where were we were you? We drove from we drove past we were in Layton. That's it. We were in Layton just above Salt Lake City and then On it we stopped halfway. Well not a little more than halfway in Twin Falls, Idaho for a for a sleepover at a koa campground and And the entire drive we just saw nothing but black smoke. I mean the hills are alive with fire in Idaho. Black smoke? Yes, black smoke. What are they burning, tires? No, it's black smoke. And we could see the fires all around the hills. It's pretty bad actually.

06:26 Global warming my friend. Yes, of course, of course it is. So we stopped in Twin Falls, Idaho, very famous for its one fall, its one waterfall. It used to be two waterfalls but they... Yeah, we went there once and they had a sign by the other waterfall saying we've shut this waterfall down. Yeah, they shut it down. There apparently is a valve someplace. They shut down one of the Twin Falls so it should be fall, just one fall Idaho. But of course, they have a very famous bridge in Twin Falls, which is I think the highest bridge or the only bridge that you can base jump off of in America. So people just hop up on the bridge and jump off and base jump down. And of course that is only a stone's throw from an extremely famous spot, which is where Evel Knievel did his famous jump across Snake River.

07:18 Oh, yeah, and missed he missed that he missed it, but doesn't matter because we love evil Knievel regardless. We're Americans And so we stayed at a co-op campground we got to see a pretty spectacular sunset despite the smoke actually made it a little bit better I think and then on Friday we Continued the journey another two hours. I guess up to Boise which is a very interesting town and Have you ever been in Boise? Yep. There's a lot of survivalists in that area, you know Oh, this is a very you know It's a very interesting state because it's I think you would classify it if you were to do a douchebag map It's a red state, but they have a lot of blue Tendencies for example, you'll be walking down and I thought it was just a PR thing, but it turns out it's law I was walking down the street and I'm smoking a cigarette and

08:11 And I see these signs like, children play here, don't smoke. I'm like, pfft, right. I'm like, uh-huh. Okay. And then I'm walking a little further and it's like, people meet here, don't smoke. And I say to Chris, I say, wow, this, you know, who's doing this PR? He says, no, that's actually law. There are streets you can't smoke on in Boise. Yet everyone has guns and it's all cool. So it's kind of conflicted. Yeah, that is conflicted. Well, it's interesting the way some of these things, these politically correct bullcrap sneaks into the public consciousness and there's not much you can do about it. No. Even in Boise. Actually, I have a general observation now that we've been on the road. I guess we're two-thirds of the way through our Hot Pockets 2009 tour. Hot Pockets! And, general observation.

09:05 There you know if you were if you were to maybe it's in the art of war I don't know I it's been a while since I've read it, but I think the the most surefire way to conquer your enemy is To divide and conquer is this in the art of war this this strategy divide and conquer I don't know I haven't read that book for 30 years I don't have to read it. It gets read to me by various venture capitalists in the Silicon Valley If this is indeed a a strategy, it's working. Because my general observation as we've gone through a lot of these different states on the trip is that people really do classify themselves as right or left, red or blue, Republican, Democrat, and the way they talk about the other side, side A and side B equally, is with disdain and fear.

10:08 Yeah. And it's really, really disheartening. Yeah, yeah. It's a classic. In fact, this is the reason I had to, I played that clip a couple of shows ago with Gore Vidal saying since 1968 he made the observation that it's all the same party, which it is. Yes. But meanwhile you have this divide thing, that way they can do whatever they want. But it's literally like, oh he's a Fox News watcher. Yeah, or he's a an MSNBC watcher or she's this or he's that and I can see the conversation not taking place because it was you and funny thing is this is what gets me the most is that they won't cross over and listen to the other side so here on their show zero and even worse zero zero crossover as I'm listening to people rush limbaugh's an idiot you ever listen to rush limbaugh isn't anything but an idiot

11:02 It's so... and even what you just said, what you just said now, someone will say, oh my god I can't believe it, he's a Rush Limbaugh listener, he's an idiot. Right. And it's really... and I can hear the talking points in people's... just in their... in what they're saying from both sides. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's... people, there is one thing that is extremely important. You must. You must turn off your freaking television. You are being mind controlled. Turn off the radio, do while you're at it. You are being mind controlled to... It is really... It's unbelievable what has happened. It is frightening, John. And these are just regular people. They're not in the big media capitals, but they are so incredibly indoctrinated. And you're right, there's zero crossover.

11:56 and we're going down this way. Well, it's a good strategy to control the masses. I mean, the Chinese use a different approach. They have one thought process and they make everyone obey. But this idea of splitting everybody into these two camps and then exaggerating it with these red and blue states, and ironically giving the Republicans the red, aka communist color. That is kind of ironic, isn't it? I love that when they did that. Who, I think it was CNN, that came up with that gem. We should look at the history of where that came from.

12:39 Yeah, I bet you I guarantee it's some sharp, some smart guy. This is going to be funny. Watch this. They'll never figure it out. I wish I was in that meeting. Yeah, it would have been a great meeting. And so and then the blue states, of course, are the are the Democrats. And then everyone's either red or blue and then they make a big deal out of it. Oh, the red blues and then they just play it and everybody plays it this way. I mean, Fox plays red blue. Of course, Fox is, as we surmise, probably a Democrat operation anyway. And CNN is the one who pushes it the most and all the networks decided to go with it. So everyone goes with it and now the public buys into it.

13:18 Bull crap! Yeah, but to such a degree that people actually will not even want to speak to each other. And this is the problem because you don't wake up one morning and you're blue or you're red. You know, everyone has little tendencies of blueness, redness. You know, you're all over the map. You know, you're bi-curious. You're just all over the map. That's what... well, maybe not you, John. But you can't classify yourself that way because we will never ever figure it out. Ever! And it's just working. I mean, that's my that is my general big observation from the tour who would have thunk it Would you would you say were you saying the same thing or you noticed it less or did you just not notice it when you took the Hot Pockets 2008 tour? I think it's more it is Yeah, no, it's gotten it's gotten much much worse. I

14:08 It really has. And the thing is... You don't think it's just geographical? I mean, in one year it couldn't have gotten that bad. You know, I can... I have literally heard people say, oh, I will never invite a Republican to my house. I have heard people say, I'm more Republican than you. What is this? What does that even mean? It's... and... and... That means there's a checklist someplace. Yeah. And somebody put the checklist together, but who was that person? But it's so incredibly wrong, you know, it's like we just have... we have to stop that. We really must... And it's not gonna happen. No, I'm afraid you're right. You know, and... and it's... and... sometimes I... I feel like we're ready for civil war. It's the blue against the reds. Another nice interesting meme that they... that they use there. Yeah.

14:59 Well, the thing is the blues are pretty much concentrated in high population areas and the reds are pretty much concentrated in the sticks. But the reds probably can shoot better. But in the Civil War, the original Civil War in 1860, the South thought they were going to win because all the Southerners could shoot very well and the Northerners didn't know how to hold a gun. And so, but it's, you know, so they were winning actually in the very early days, but the sheer numbers and the manufacturing capability and some of the other stuff that the North had going finally won the day. And then they decided to burn down Atlanta. Well, I think the bottom line as four out of five dentists will agree is somewhere a hundred years from now, history will show that how funny was it that the American population let themselves be mind controlled by television?

15:55 Because that's what it is, John. It is television. And maybe some radio, but it's... Really, it's just... I can hear the talking points coming. It's just like... I'm like, wow, okay, I know exactly where you heard that. Over and over again. I know, I do the same thing. I hear somebody giving knee-jerk quotes that they heard on either a right or a left-wing show, one of the two, and we listen to both, the two of us. and to see what they're saying and then you hear the memes being pushed out there and you go, oh my god, this is like a meme. And all they're doing is parroting it. One of the things we do on this show is complain about the fact that the media in general

16:40 just parrots what public relations people tell them to parrot and they do. Now the public at large is parroting some meme or other that they're being fed by one of these talk shows or something on the television. In fact there was a great example of just this and maybe it went a little bit further beyond just PR for companies with this scandal which of course is going pretty much lightly reported about douchebag Fareed Zakaria who took one for the team. I'm very impressed at what he did.

17:16 He was accused of plagiarizing an article by a journalist or a, let's just say, a writer for the New Yorker. And it was his anti-gun rant. Which I don't even, that might even be taken down at this point. But I recall reading this in Time Magazine, because I subscribe to a news feed. And the title of the article was, The Case for Gun Control. And it was, you know, the exact, it was, it's like I'm reading talking points, Wade Michael Page, I'm reading, you know, what are the examples of horrible atrocities, James Holmes, we have the Sikh slaughter, and then right back to Jared Lee Loeffner.

18:04 And I'm reading through this and then you know there's all these statistics and like wow okay so where do you get these statistics from and so it was identical parts of it to this this woman's article in in New Yorker. and it's like and he just he and the Zakaria says you're right you know I had no time you know is really bad I shouldn't do this but this is not what happened he merely was too lazy to rewrite the memo that he got that's what happened I was thinking that too oh no it's so obvious it's like here's the memo here's the examples here's the statistics go ahead and use that and he just you know he was lazy and didn't rewrite it

18:45 And of course the woman in New Yorker didn't rewrite it either and that's why it looks like plagiarism. But it's really just the same memo. Whoever's handing it out is irrelevant. That is what your media is today. And no one sees this. Yeah, well Zakaria rewrites a lot of these memos apparently because his stuff is all... You know, all you do is do it. You do this when you can do this by doing a phrase search. And of course he was busted by a somebody who ran one of these plagiarism programs that they use in colleges. Because kids are always plagiarized, or they used to, they do it less now. They always do it John, come on. They've always done it, but I'm saying they're doing a better job of it now because these plagiarism programs are rampant and all the professors use them, especially when you got some kid who's like, I would say Zakaria had fallen into this category. He was some sort of a kind of an idiot.

19:43 and all of a sudden he comes out with this really nice paper that he claims he put a lot of work in. You run the plagiarism program and you found he lifted it from here and there and the other place. Usually they take it from a number of sources. I don't think that's, when you're a student, I don't necessarily think it's bad to cut and paste things when you're doing a lot of deep research because you're still learning and that's kind of the idea. But I don't think you have to be some sort of a fantastic essayist when you're in college But at the same time there is a rule so the rules get broken and you know this guy, these guys, everyone has to be aware of these programs that are out there to catch you doing this crap. And let me just say this from a writer's perspective, it's not that hard to write something. The length of his stuff is in the six, seven hundred word range generally. That's forty five minutes.

20:34 I mean, what is he doing with his time? Is he hanging around holding a glass of Chardonnay at a cocktail party showing off? If he is, he could be writing instead. Somehow I think you're right. By the way, here's his exact quote, which is very interesting. He issued a statement Friday saying, quote, media reporters have pointed out that paragraphs in my time column this week bear close similarities to paragraphs in Jill Lepore's essay in the April 23rd issue of The New Yorker. They are right. I made a terrible mistake. It is a serious lapse and one that is entirely my fault. I apologize unreservedly to my editors at Time and to my readers. He does not say he copied it. He made the mistake of not rewriting the memo. He's not actually saying I copied it. Funny, huh? Yeah, it's funny. But he's a douchebag, Dick. I never liked him. Man, me neither. Douchebag! Give him a little douchebag there.

21:28 So back to the trip. Yes. Oh, by the way, since you were discussing the news since you're talking about television I might as well give you a I ran into a new meme by the way. Oh good What do we have the meme is the new normal? Oh, yes. Well, we know the new normal We've you've been on that the new normal is is a meme going on but now there's a show. Oh, oh on NBC coming out called the new normal and apparently the new normal is a gay world and you might seriously you might as well play this this this has got so many all women women here's what the message is all men are gay yes all women are whores although this one woman sells herself sells a baby for $35,000

22:12 and it's just that's the new normal so all men are gay all women are whores that's what NBC is. There's the family you're born with. Yeah, you're a bigot. I am extremely tolerant. When they opened that Chipotle here I was the first of my friends to go. And there's the family you choose. Why does a seemingly sane person gestate someone else's child? I need a way to change my daughter's life. $35,000 is a huge chunk of money. And you have no problem with doing this for two men? Oh no. A family is a family and love Love is love. Now who's gonna be the bio dad? I am! This fall, the creator of Glee brings you the portrait of a family where different is the new normal. I work of a rock and at home of a rock. Like what Simon and Garfunkel would refer to as an island. Are those the doctors you work with?

23:01 This is a nightmare. No, this ain't a nightmare. Last time I checked it was 2012. Now won't you take your racist mind back to the past? I feel like I just ate a black and gay stew. Wow. The New Normal, Tuesdays this fall here on NBC. Oh, interesting. And in The New Normal, all men are gay, women are whores, and black people talk like this. They all talk like a stereotype of a black woman. Amazing! How do they get away with this? You tell me. This is NBC, you know, the biggest supporters of the Obama administration because of the government contracts available to General Electric, obviously. Yes. And I watched this thing with my jaw down. They got the, you know, the woman, the mom's a bigot. The daughter's got some daughter, another daughter, she's a grandma, I guess, Ellen Barkin, who plays this. Oh, yeah, interesting. Yeah. It's a really, really bad

24:00 Messaging show and it's got memes and creepy messages. It's just like oh man astonishing. That's something else We have to watch this fall I don't know if I'm... it sounds... I doubt it's gonna catch on. You know, the Glee guys are on a roll because they're singing and dancing. I think your theory is correct. You're the one that brought this up. I like the singing and dancing shows. Glee is a hit because it's essentially a musical, so singing and dancing is gay, but this is just gay. Hold on, singing and dancing is not necessarily gay? I can... No, I said it's singing and dancing and it's gay, the show. Okay.

24:37 Well, as a bicurious male, I'm very excited about this new normal. Where do I fit in on the spectrum of normal? Almost normal? Abnormal. So we had a meet up in Idaho in the Basque neighborhood. Apparently there's a lot of Basques in Boise. Wow. Yes, Basques. In Boise there's Basques? There's Basques in Boise and this is because of the... of course in Boise you can get five acres for next to nothing and so they kind of migrated here and they've... the Basques I guess like to have lunch. That must mean there's some good eating around here. We had a fantastic dinner at the meetup at Luca... what's the name of it? Luca Ona.

25:26 Look at oh, no, I think it was and I had tripe for the first time in my life And I really liked it until one of our producers who was at the table explained to me what tripe is Which is essentially the stomach or the stuff that keeps the guts of the cow together. It's usually the intestines. Yeah, well it's like a honeycomb kind of texture. Yeah, it's the intestinal tract. Only the French, I went out of my way to upstage this story, but I went out of my way, I went years, I said, you know, people eat tripe and like it. Why? So I went and spent, I don't know,

26:04 years, literally, every once in a while I'd go to some place and I think in San Francisco I remember having tripe soup in an Italian restaurant. Couldn't swallow it. I went on and I said, this is crazy, this stuff's terrible. And so then I finally, one year I was in Paris and I went to this one star restaurant that specialized in a dish called andouillette. And that is essentially tripe stuffed with tripe and deep fat fried. Oh, interesting. After being treated or something. And two things I realized, one, it was really good, and two, it tasted like a hot dog. I don't care what these sausage guys say, no we don't have any tripe in our hot dogs, bullcrap! I had more like a tripe stew, with some, it had, I think it had okra in there for some reason?

26:54 Yeah, dude, we're discussing the tripe it was but it was really good. The taste was outstanding of the tripe The texture is just not really appealing when you're chewing on it You like it's kind of like like a chewing on a condom kind of like you know what I mean? Yeah, that's not the case with and we had there they have a they almost crunchy. Oh, no No, this was not far from crunchy. I So I was okay until it was like, oh, it's just guts. I'm like, ah, thanks. I didn't like the bowl of guts we fed you, kid. Hey, dude, thanks, man. Um, so we had, actually this was a big night and dame fest. We had, uh, I think three knights and a dame at this meetup in Boise. And, uh, here's a name for you, Sir AJ Reistat. Oh yeah. Yeah, he was there.

27:49 And Sir Russell Williams, I don't know if Miss Mickey has put the picture up yet, he brought me a knighting sword. But I mean, I kid you not, a four foot sword. So you're driving around the trail with a sword in your, you're carrying it. Yes. You're carrying an unregistered sword. Yes, and it's sharp and it has a sheath and it's, but it's like, it's, you know, the thing must weigh five pounds. It's the most beautiful sword and of course I had to re-knight everybody with the sword. Did you re-knight us please? It was great! I don't think the Queen re-knights people but okay. Well it's just for prosperity. For prosperity or for posterity? Yeah those. You have the picture. So you have a picture

28:44 Of the night, and it's weird when like a dude kneels down before you. The queen must have a hard time with that. I don't think the queen has a hard time with that at all. Oh well. For me it was like, whoa. So we will of course thank our Boise producers later on during the donation segment, but it was really great. I learned a couple things, John. I learned number one, I learned it is very hard to get an Idaho potato in Idaho. Well that's weird because when I was in Idaho we went to a roadside stand that had Idaho potatoes and the thing that was noteworthy to me was that the potatoes were so enormous that I have never seen potatoes this big and I realized that probably these monster potatoes in Idaho stay in Idaho. Well no, exactly the opposite because they make so much more money exporting the Idaho potato

29:47 that they don't even... it's... restaurants have to go out of state to buy Idaho potatoes. Well, this has changed since I was in Idaho. Yeah, and onions as well. Which was about 10 years ago. Right. Well, okay, so it may have changed since then, but that is the general consensus. Oh no, you can't get an Idaho potato. But some restaurants will say, oh yes, it's an Idaho potato, but they go out of state to buy it. How nuts is that? And I have to say, it is very beautiful here. The mountains, when you can see them, when there's no... when the smoke isn't obscuring the view, which has pretty much been constant, it is extremely beautiful here. It's a very small city. It's only 250,000 people, I think, that live in Boise.

30:38 And the vibe during the day is like, you know, it's very quiet, laid back. Then at night, of course, this is a college town, everyone's hammered. They're hammered, they're falling out of bars, there's trannies roaming the streets. It's pretty interesting for a red state. Very interesting. So anyway, so we do have Chris Breshears is our associate executive producer his lovely wife of course has also Has also put up with us Laurie's really taking good care of us Chris is great to stay with Chris. He has it a huge Guest bedroom with a really big bed, which is nice He also has I think six or seven pinball machines that he's restored. Oh nice. Yeah, and of course You know no money in the machine just hit the red button

31:24 It's it's been great, and he hasn't cranked up really loud so the ones that are supposed to vibrate and send subsonic tones really do it You're a pinball guy right you've been to the pinball museum. I think in Vegas. Yeah, yeah of course Of course as one does I love pinball machines. Yeah, so that's been great. It's it's kind of like a Feels a little bit like it could be kind of Austin II if you will a little like Austin little like Seattle You know, these three. Yeah, I'm sure this, yeah. There's some crossover there. Well, what's the capital of Idaho? Is it Boise? It is Boise, yes. So it is a capital city. Yes. And it's got a, Boise State I guess is the big school there. Yes, they have the Boise Broncos, of course, who are... Right, one of the great...

32:13 Yeah, well apparently no one gave a crap about him until they started to get good then everyone's like yeah, man, yeah That's the American way. Yeah, that's right. That's right that you suck man to go you suck and then when you start winning I've always been a fan I've always been a fan I've always been a big supporter I'm a huge idealist as a fair weather fan. I think it's a way to go. Why would you root, I've said this before, I'll say it again. Why would you root for a bunch of losers? And the second thing is, is that they've done studies and if you root for a team and you're really into it and they lose and the team has an emotional letdown, the fans have the exact same emotional letdown. And when they win, they get a boost of adrenaline, the fans get the same boost of adrenaline. So why are you rooting for a losing

33:02 cause, find the winning team and just root for them. It's good for the health. It's part of your healthy news diet. Very good. So we let me we must have mentioned our one lone executive producer. This was a very grim week. Yeah. And I don't get it because you sent out a great newsletter with some really good analysis. It was classic John C. Dvorak stuff that normally would go into a publication. Well, there's that but the newsletter that went out Wednesday, the normal newsletter, got no interest. Now this is of course August and of course the French are on completely, they're gone. Our one French guy, our one French listener is gone. I'm thinking that August may be our vacation month even though we don't talk much about it. So I think everyone's just, I don't know if anyone's even listening to the show. Well I think Chris and his brother are in the hangar.

33:59 Well, they might they might not even maybe cut metal like I screw that courage stupid But they say at an audience a crap. Yeah those Republicans so let's let's Thank our one executives producers sir Scott Hankel. Oh very nice. He came Sunland, California who gave us four three four So he's also a four three four club member we haven't had that in a while. Yeah, that's great I think it's some good luck karma shout out to my wife And I in hopes of finally closing escrow on a home purchase also keep up the good work on the best podcast in the universe You've got karma. I would also like to thank Tice Brower's for the art on the previous episode 433 And I'm you know before because we're just because we're talking about the newsletter I wanted to say something nice about you which I found out here in Boise and

35:01 Oh, and people should know this about JCD. Huh. So I have a false information could go ahead could be so You sent out a newsletter a couple weeks ago where after a lot of back-and-forth You still misspelled miss Mickey's name and you spelled it with an e instead of M scky and and you said oh no I'm an idiot my fault my fault and Well as it turns out ladies and gentlemen your buzzkill was actually protecting someone okey-dokey Do you're aware of this John? No, so Shana

35:45 Who corrects the newsletters. Oh yes, Shana. She wears around my head on a stick apparently. She's here in Boise and she said, you know, please stop, stop riding John so hard because, you know, I actually messed up the change in the newsletter and it's my fault but he's been protecting me. And I was like, I'm a chivalrous guy. You are John. I can't pronounce it but I can say it. Yeah, you are. You're a very nice guy. You know, unlike what four out of five dentists think, you're actually a nice guy. I was like, wow, so that's pretty cool. I'll give you a little in the morning for that. That was very nice of you. I know it's hard. It's hard, isn't it, to accept something nice about you? Yeah, I appreciate the idea.

36:35 All right, so clearly we do need a little more support. uh... particularly because you're your donations are literally keeping the show on the road is hot pockets still has uh... at least ten days left to roll i think what we today what is the twelve nine days nine more days ago uh... after boy see we're going down the salt lake city with his excuse me dot uh... taking place in some charges go through salt lake city that we passed by it we stated latent so you know we brought the boy c And now we're going to swing around and we're going to be doing a meetup on Monday 6 p.m. at Justin Peck's home. Apparently he has some land there in Salt Lake City. And so it's going to be on his homestead.

37:22 And you can find that at itm.im slash tour09. There's plenty of ways to find it. Also, follow Ms. Mickey's Twitter thing and you'll find out about that. And then from there we're going to go rushing back down, I guess, somehow to New Mexico and then across to Austin. So your your your support for our value for value program is highly appreciated. Dvorak org Slash and a just wanna make sure that's programmed into your brain So next time you're looking at your PayPal account thinking hey, isn't that funny my subscription ended? which we don't remind people about enough. I've been looking at the old, you know, we cut off the old, we moved all our PayPal accounts to the No Agenda Show account, even though it started in my personal account, or not a personal but a business account I had and they couldn't sustain it there. So what's the business of the account? It's two years out of date now, the old ones, right? So the PayPal

38:23 Subscriptions. The subscriptions that were going in there are just slowly fading because of the, you know, the people, everyone gets a new credit card every couple of years and they never renew the subscription and PayPal just kills it, the account. So we're down to like, we're making an attic. I might as well just close it. It's doing like $150 a month. I wouldn't close it for that. In two years, it's dropped from like a good thousand or two things. Whatever it is, it's almost dead. Within two years, everything dies. It's amazing. So that's why we, by the way, people say, why are you always asking for money, asking for help, asking for donations and contributions? Yeah. That's how we live. There will be nothing coming in within no time at all.

39:14 So... And the summer's not much fun. No, the summer is definitely not helping. But okay, with the Hot Pockets Tour continues to roll, I will say that despite the donations, it is extremely satisfying to meet everybody. And I still miss you very, very much out here on the road. Well, you got my head on a stick. You might want to play here's a clip wait Let me just let me just give the the slaves a couple of a couple of pointers here one Human resources we appreciate your donations for those of you who have a credit. It's an official one I know Chris Bashir's has an IMDB He's gonna put his associate executive producership into his IMDB unlike the phonies in Hollywood We will of course vouch for you if someone ever questions you being a producer in some form of the best podcast in the universe and of course

40:03 You can always do something very important, which is go out and propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. So I'm going to try something new. I'm going to do a teaser for a story that will show up later in the show. Ooh, you're going mainstream on me. Machete Redux. Hold on a second. Let me... All right. Machete Redux it is. Where do you even get a machete? After UCW Jensen, where do you get a machete?

40:50 That's the... That's the tease? That's the tease? Well, I mean, I'm gonna have to get out of it. It's gonna take me a while to get the production value. Is that that comedian? That's a comedian. That's Nancy Grace. Oh, yeah, that comedian. Yeah, that comedian Nancy Grace who talks through her nose because apparently she's got some obstruction in her nasal passage. The comedian Nancy Grace. Exactly. Fantastic. All right, let me just I had a little time to do some digging And first of all, of course you even put this in the newsletter another Noah jet no agenda red book prediction comes true

41:31 It is now painfully obvious that neither the Democratic or the Republican party, both the same guys of course, actually want to win the presidency and run the country during the next four years of Armageddon that we are facing. And can I explain a little bit of the reason? Yes, please do. And I think people should when they read that the newsletter we sent out or the second of the essay which talks about Rubio, I think that was pretty interesting. But anyway, there will be, I mean, this cycle that I talk about constantly, I harp on it, of course I haven't produced my little essay or book, it's actually going to be a book, a monograph. Stop, stop promising. Okay, okay. Whatever the case is, there's all, there's going to be a huge dislocation of the economy right after this election, no matter who's in. Yes. And so they, either side really wants to be in. Obama will be in, he'll take the hit, he'll take one for the team. But then they're, Democrats are going to have

42:29 take it's gonna take them forever to get back in because what's gonna happen is the you have an upcycle and around the 2016 2017 era and then you have a reset of the entire economy in 2020 plus possibly a war and a civil war no well maybe it's just gonna be yes in Europe oh yeah well obviously but I mean here I doubt it. So anyway, so you're going to have this dislocation and so the Republicans will get in in time for the mini boom that takes place and then they'll be, they get re-elected hopefully because it's pretty hard to apparently unseat anybody and then they'll go into the next, the reset of the economy and then

43:15 It'll be so good for everyone that they'll just, the Republicans won't be able to get out. I mean, they'll keep voting them in until we have another situation with a George Bush showing up. But whatever the case, I think they're trying to throw the election. Yeah, and so the Paul Ryan choice as vice presidential nominee, candidate, is to throw the election. He's a dud. I mean, he's one of these guys. I mean, he's a he is like a he's a dud. He's a he's a nameless faceless. Yeah, he's the guy that did the budget to the Senate budget. Well, hold on. Let me let me remind you of Paul Ryan for all you Republicans out there.

43:58 Here's Paul Ryan begging. I want to thank our distinguished ranking member of the Finance and Services Committee for all his work he's done this week. A lot of us have lost a lot of sleep, a lot of us have looked at this situation. When Secretary Paulson came to us about a week ago, he gave us a three-page bill. By the way, he's trying to do a Kennedy here. Secretary Paulson came here, he gave us a three-page bill. That said, give me a blank checkbook and put $700 billion in it. I was offended at that time. And so what happened since then? We added 107 pages of taxpayer protection to that bill. Protection? Yeah, protection. This is him begging for TARP. But listen to the bullcrap that he's spouting versus what actually happened. We understand the gravity of this situation. And we worked with our colleagues on the other side to make this bill a better bill. We made sure that there's upside for the taxpayers so that when this happens,

44:56 When profits come to these companies, we get their stock warrants so the first person in line to get those profits is the American taxpayer so they can get their money back. Have you gotten your check yet, John? Have you, uh, have you seen your check? No, I understand they're gonna raise taxes. We made sure that there's an insurance program that makes sure that Wall Street shares in the cost of this recovery plan. Wow! Did you hear that? Yeah, oh yeah. Did I hear the flub? Oh yeah. Yeah, Washington, I mean Wall Street, I mean Washington, I don't know what I'm saying. And we also made sure that the executives of these companies that made these bad bets don't

45:31 Don't profit from this rescue recovery plan. How'd that work out with all those bonuses? You mean like the bankers? Yeah, those guys. They cleaned up and gave themselves huge bonuses? Thanks Paul Ryan. We cut the initial cost in half of this bill. Congress will have to approve the second half of this next year. Why did we do all of this? Because we're on the take and corrupt. Because this Wall Street crisis crisis is quickly becoming a Main Street crisis talking point. It's quickly becoming a banking Crisis yes, what does that mean? What does it mean John? What does the bank that means bankers make out like crazy? unemployment stays high

46:13 The municipal bond market is falling apart, which is the real problem by the way. But back in the day, Paul Ryan, the genius who will be vice president, said this. Why does that matter to us? Why does that matter to Janesville, Wisconsin? If it goes the way it could go, that means credit shuts down. Yeah, that's pretty much happened. Businesses can't get money to pay their payroll, to pay their employees. That has pretty much happened. Students can't get student loans for next semester. I would say that's right on the money. People can't get car loans. Yes. Seniors may not have access to their savings. And we don't need them anyway. Are we standing at the edge of this abyss? Yeah, no, we're in it, dude.

47:03 Good job Paul Ryan, good job begging for TARP money, which literally went to the banker bonuses. And went to their bonuses in their pockets. If they would have given that money to the public to pay off the bank loans, the bankers would have still gotten the money in a legitimate way and everybody would be happy. Real estate would be booming and everything would be working out. Although you can't do that because if you do something like that, it's okay. Welfare for the rich and free enterprise for the poor. So you can give the money to the bankers. That's okay. Just give them the money. Let them put it in their pocket. But you can't give it to the public because that's socialism. So I think Paul Ryan, if anyone knows him from back in the... I bet you he was in school. He had a big

47:48 key ring with a whole bunch of keys jingling walking around like I'm Paul. If he was in a newer generation he'd probably have, he'd be one of those guys who has a chain on his wallet. He's got to chain their wallet to their pants. So here's LeBichFat Candy Crowley our Rubenesque reporter. For some reason I just really do like her and she sets the meme for the next, let me see, one, two, three, four months that we're going to have to hear. All they have to do at Obama re-elect is open up the files because this debate has already happened. They just bring it back, it goes, you know, it is what they talk about. But I think the other thing that's worth pointing out is not every Republican

48:31 uh... has signed on to this kind of a name with a will publicly but there is some trepidation right uh... this might be outlook looks a little bit like some sort of ticket death wish we have to step back this in the morning and i'm not he's on the same name we are listening to know what you know i think it's death with death wish everybody so there was one funny thing that of course we played over and over and over again if i haven't been watching much television but of course here is uh... and commits romney announcing paul ryan and with the classic mistake in welcoming the next president of the united states what an idiot what it is but then i go back and listen to president obama

49:26 Joe Biden! So he corrected himself in the same sentence, but isn't it interesting that they both make the same mistake? Is this like an actor's block or something? I have no idea. Isn't that interesting? That's the clip of the day right there. Really? Yeah. Oh, well that's so kind of you. Hold on a second. Let me give myself that award. Oops. Well, it kind of sucks when I can't find the clip of the day. Should be at the ready, with a big red button. Clip of the day. No, backing that up with the Obama botch is perfect. Yeah, but that's weird. So I think it's because, and of course these guys are all actors.

50:10 I think it's because it is such a staple line to say, ladies and gentlemen, I present you the next president of the United States of America. That they just confuse that line, you know, they've been practicing in an acting school, you know. And, and how, that was amazing to me. It's like, wow, that's pretty interesting that they both make the same flub. Now, Romney came back and corrected it later. But and Obama did it in the same sentence, but it's I don't know. It's just like wow yeah No, that's very strange who knows what these guys are doing And he's not even the official nominee yet. I know you know the convention can reject him

50:59 They won't because they're a bunch of lapdogs. The fact that we even have a convention anymore is idiotic. It's just a waste of time. In fact, you watch the networks are gonna start, they're not even gonna show it. They're gonna just push it off to one of their kids. What's the great thing about if you're NBC, you have a cable company, MSNBC, put it there. That's all news on MSNBC or CNBC. Put it there, we'll put it there. We're not gonna run it against, instead we're gonna run the new normal. Don't wanna bump that. Right. Well, so, but of course, this is well-timed, this announcement. This is a media announcement, obviously. We've got the dog days of summer, we've got nothing to talk about, you know, it's like we're kind of done with terror. Oh yeah, please do an announcement so we can not talk about anything else at all, whatsoever. Well, the Olympics, you talk about that.

51:51 yeah when it when is the quote talk about their making a big said nbc olympics olympics olympics you watch the brian williams is that have to shun broadcast about the olympics bbc have to broadcast about the olympics because the brits have won more gold medals and they have for a while to this in their backyard yeah and you know that games are rigged i'd always gonna have your home i entry when i'm metals i don't have audio of it but the uh... what was that member the word the mean that you found that uh... the one olympics with their own saying No. It's fabulous. Oh, it's fabulous. It's fabulous. So the IOC chief Jacques Rocha, who's a Belgian, he, you know, so we're getting, I guess the closing ceremony is tonight, and he said, the games in London have been absolutely fabulous. And they refreshed the Olympic movement.

52:43 Is that what he says? Yeah. They refresh the Olympic movement. It's not a movement. Yeah, it's a movement, John. It's a big movement. It's a movement, alright, a bowel movement. And the UK will continue to surf the wave and invest in sport. Right. Right. Yeah, short picture of that. No, but there is some really big news. And it turns out there was a lawsuit filed in May against Lucy Napolitano. Have you heard about this lawsuit? Sexual harassment. A bunch of lesbian supervisors are making men's lives miserable in the Homeland Security Department or TSA, whoever it is, whatever group.

53:25 the department of home and security. And I guess it's one of Lucy's, one of her girlfriends. It was like somebody who was, you know. That's the insinuation. And if you look at the pictures of her. More than an insinuation. Yeah, if you look at the pictures of these two. You're kind of like, well anyway, so I got a copy of the lawsuit and I thought we'd just run through a couple things just to have a little chuckle. So the plaintiff is James T. Hayes Jr. And this was no slouch in Department of Homeland Security. In fact, in 2008 he oversaw a $1 billion budget with 7,000 people. Then he moved up and his budget grew to $2.5 billion. So I'd say that this is a pretty serious guy.

54:09 The allegations are that in February 2009, Lucy Napolitano brought in Dora Schreiro and Suzanne Barr. and they started working at ICE headquarters in Washington and essentially they started it's a very classic move by the way when you know you have to start copying them on memos you know then they're attending the meetings and all of a sudden you're not on the memo list you're out exactly So, just a couple points from... these are allegations of course, because this is a pending lawsuit. Yeah, it's definitely not anything that we know is true. No, we don't know it's true. But we suspect it is. Yeah, and I... well, it's... I like... look, I'm just reading from the court documents. Point 32. Schreiro was not qualified for the position plaintiff had because of her lack of federal law enforcement experience. Schreiro did have experience, however, working with Secretary Napolitano.

55:06 It's a nice snide way of saying it, isn't it? Point 34. Shwero enjoyed a long-standing relationship with the secretary. 35. So essentially she is hiring her buddy. 35. This is unbelievable. Well wait until you hear the rest. Point 35. Plaintiff believed he was being replaced in his duties because of this relationship and because he was not female. Which of course is an egregious breach of all types of rules. In around April and May 2009, Barr moved the entire contents of the offices of three male employees, including nameplates, computers, and telephones to the men's bathroom at ICE headquarters.

55:56 Which is followed up here. No sexual violence code violations with that move go well here it is Bar also created a frat house type atmosphere that is targeted to humiliate and intimidate male employees bar humiliated another male employee by calling that male employee in his hotel room and Screaming at him that she wanted quote his cock in the back of her throat and This is in the lawsuit. That's, I mean, you can't make this up. Then Barr covertly took an ICE BlackBerry device assigned to a male special agent in charge and sent a BlackBerry messenger message to his female supervisor indicating that the male employee had a crush on the female supervisor and fantasized about her. So basically sending false messages. Like, oh, I'm hot for you, baby. And I presume to get him kicked out on some kind of

57:00 uh... sexual harassment. Further, Barr promoted otherwise rewarded those male employees who would play along with their sexually charged games including the three male employees whose offices were relocated to the men's bathroom at ICE headquarters. So this is just... if this is true, this is crazy. I mean that's really quite wrong. There was something that involved some horrible lesbian in Oakland who uh... one of the latest not all lesbians are horrible let's just be so i know that i'm still sitting around a horrible as i'm not a nice lesbian ok but there is some horrible lesbian oakland who had tried to get rid of some men in some department that she'd heard job which he did was plan a bunch of child porn on the computers

57:50 Wow became a big scandal and a guy they couldn't you know there's some I guess they found some date codes or something to get the guy off the hook but this guy was gonna go do hard time I mean some of these women like the Napolitano types they're they're ruthless it's but it sounds like these this trio of horrible lesbians let's say and as opposed to you know nice nice lesbians is just This is a, I don't know how Obama can put up with it, but if you think about it, Obama may be a lesbian. He's supposedly the first gay president. He's surrounded by women. He's got daughters, he's got his wife, and he's got his mother-in-law living in the White House and Valerie Jarrett telling him what to do. I don't know if he has any male influences whatsoever. So Janet Napolitano, she probably tells him what to do too. Who knows? I don't know. It just seems unhealthy, the whole environment. I could be wrong.

58:49 So the guy is actually not asking for much though. That's what I find surprising and suspicious. He's basically asking for a quick payoff. Plaintiff seeks the following relief, $200,000 in compensatory damages for the losses he suffered due to the discriminatory directed reassignment without the compensation given to other similarly situated employees, compensatory damages in the amount of $135,000 as a result of lost wages due to the discriminatory behavior, equitable relief in the form of a directed retirement with front pay to compensate him for loss of reputation he suffered, And that could be open-ended, I guess. That could be a lot of money. And an order directing defendants to pay reasonable attorney fees and costs of this litigation and e. such other and further relief as the court may deem just.

59:37 So yeah, that could be open-ended, but he's not really saying, you know, hey... Yeah, well it could also be the lawyer saying, look, these cases with men complaining about women harassing them really never go anywhere because it's just not what the court expects to hear. So we don't want to ask for too much because it's going to look like a little... who knows? I mean, the lawyer could be the problem. But I do... We don't know. I will say though, it is extremely important because if you just replace Men for women in this context, it would be a huge scandal, it would be all over the news, it would be discussed incessantly, and it would be battered down to the last fact in all kinds of congressional and senatorial hearings, and now the shoe's on the other foot, so to speak.

1:00:23 I don't know if it's going to be, if they're going to make such a big deal out of it, but I feel... Which is what the lawyer probably told him, you know, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy for this. Because, you know, when guys are discriminated against, it's the same thing with, you know, there is a lot of domestic violence where guys get beat up. You don't hear about it, but it really does happen. Oh yeah, it happens a lot with women, they'll roll the battle axe with a rolling pin, beating the crap out of her husband. It's not uncommon. So it's like you know as well as the weaker sex you know and that she can beat some guy up that's good for her I mean it's really the stereotypes are horrible. Yeah. By the way I want to mention something since you dropped a bomb in a couple of them actually a couple of filthy remarks. I did? Yeah you cussed there somewhere since a couple times. Sorry.

1:01:11 But this is what bring I want to bring something up. This is this Jason price one of our Canadian producers came up with this idea. He says that he has a suggestion from a comment you read a few weeks ago to those who do not like the colorful metaphors. The show is open source. So suggest on the next show that someone with enough time and interest like one of our people that can't let the seven-year-old listen to the show, take it and bleep it out. There you go. Just require a request that if the full cut is needed that any credits or information is re-read back into it by whomever is editing it. That's never going to happen. It's just going to be a couple of bleeps here and there and you can have the clean no agenda show for... There are people that cannot listen to the show because once in a while we drop an F-bomb or you know do something that's lewd.

1:00:23 I don't know if it's going to be, if they're going to make such a big deal out of it, but I feel... Which is what the lawyer probably told him, you know, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy for this. Because, you know, when guys are discriminated against, it's the same thing with, you know, there is a lot of domestic violence where guys get beat up. You don't hear about it, but it really does happen. Oh yeah, it happens a lot with women, they'll roll the battle axe with a rolling pin, beating the crap out of her husband. It's not uncommon. So it's like you know as well as the weaker sex you know and that she can beat some guy up that's good for her I mean it's really the stereotypes are horrible. Yeah. By the way I want to mention something since you dropped a bomb in a couple of them actually a couple of filthy remarks. I did? Yeah you cussed there somewhere since a couple times. Sorry.

1:01:11 But this is what bring I want to bring something up. This is this Jason price one of our Canadian producers came up with this idea. He says that he has a suggestion from a comment you read a few weeks ago to those who do not like the colorful metaphors. The show is open source. So suggest on the next show that someone with enough time and interest like one of our people that can't let the seven-year-old listen to the show, take it and bleep it out. There you go. Just require a request that if the full cut is needed that any credits or information is re-read back into it by whomever is editing it. That's never going to happen. It's just going to be a couple of bleeps here and there and you can have the clean no agenda show for... There are people that cannot listen to the show because once in a while we drop an F-bomb or you know do something that's lewd.

1:02:04 It's just part of our casual conversation since there's two of us just chatting to each other. It is how people talk normally, by the way. Well, they don't necessarily... If you listen to the early shows, I don't know that many people that were cussing as much as you did. Well, I have Tourette's. I have an excuse. That's true. And so it's absolutely true. And yes, it is an open source show. As long as you don't take the donation, you don't edit the show. I mean, that's what we ask. I mean, you could, but we don't prefer it. But you can bleep this. Somebody could take the show and bleep it out, put it on their own server as the bleeped version. And then, you know, all the people that don't like the way they can't or they want their kids, they don't want their kids to hear a bad word or whatever.

1:02:44 There you go. I think this is a great idea. I told Price that I said this is a great idea the bleeped version Well, it's but you know what? It's kind of like here's how the isn't it? And so we I have now done 434 shows And if you calculate how many hours that is, it's probably quite a lot. And that's just the broadcast time, not the preparatory time. Yes, it's a lot. So we have these great initiatives like readnoagenda.com where people are going to transcribe. And I, and you know, I promote it every single week and the show notes has a link. When's the last one that was fully transcribed? Was it 20 episodes ago? Yeah, not gonna happen. Yeah. That's work though. Yeah. This is that you're listening to the show and you got up, you know, and you're recording it while you're listening to your bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. You, I mean, this is, you're going to listen to the show anyway if you're that into the show and you could bleep it. I don't think there would be as much work to bleep the show to two hours total work or two and a half.

1:03:43 as it would to transcribe two and a half hours. That's a lot of transcribing and nobody wants to do that. Well there you go. How successful are we? Anyway, just a suggestion, like I said, maybe you're right, maybe nobody will pick up the ball on this. But again, if that's the case, they're the ones complaining. It's not that hard to fix, but we're not fixing it. So, while we're on lewd and lascivious, Finally, and again something that was pretty much predicted on the show, turns out the federal officials have launched an investigation into a possible pedo-bear ring involving disgraced former Penn State defensive coordinator and convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky

1:02:44 There you go. I think this is a great idea. I told Price that I said this is a great idea the bleeped version Well, it's but you know what? It's kind of like here's how the isn't it? And so we I have now done 434 shows And if you calculate how many hours that is, it's probably quite a lot. And that's just the broadcast time, not the preparatory time. Yes, it's a lot. So we have these great initiatives like readnoagenda.com where people are going to transcribe. And I, and you know, I promote it every single week and the show notes has a link. When's the last one that was fully transcribed? Was it 20 episodes ago? Yeah, not gonna happen. Yeah. That's work though. Yeah. This is that you're listening to the show and you got up, you know, and you're recording it while you're listening to your bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. You, I mean, this is, you're going to listen to the show anyway if you're that into the show and you could bleep it. I don't think there would be as much work to bleep the show to two hours total work or two and a half.

1:03:43 as it would to transcribe two and a half hours. That's a lot of transcribing and nobody wants to do that. Well there you go. How successful are we? Anyway, just a suggestion, like I said, maybe you're right, maybe nobody will pick up the ball on this. But again, if that's the case, they're the ones complaining. It's not that hard to fix, but we're not fixing it. So, while we're on lewd and lascivious, Finally, and again something that was pretty much predicted on the show, turns out the federal officials have launched an investigation into a possible pedo-bear ring involving disgraced former Penn State defensive coordinator and convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky

1:04:30 Oh, you called that a mile away. Right? And right from the get-go you said there was a ring up there. But here's the interesting thing. This news story broke. There has to be a ring or this wouldn't have happened the way it did. Radar Online broke this. This is an entertainment website. So now I'm really convinced something's going on. Because, you know, these guys at the entertainment gossip websites, they have way deeper uh... connections into hollywood and uh... and and behavior that may be associated with that so according to radar online both the fbi and a criminal investigative division of the postal service i think also interesting because you know the pope that they are trying to take the postal service down and why would the postal service be involved other than mail fraud or rico case or committing some crime through the

1:05:27 through the mail. Through the mail which they'd like to get rid of so the criminals could not have to deal with these laws. Yep, so I found it very interesting that the post the USPS is involved in this. They are investigating allegations Sandersky shared boys with other men connected to Penn State as part of a child sex ring which also of course included the Second Mile Foundation. Exactly what we said. Exactly what we said. It's a fractal. It has to be that. It makes me sick. It's a fractal. A fractal of what? A fractal of perversion. I don't know. It's just a fractal. It's a fractal of what was going on in Holland that you got the radio station burned to the ground. Yeah, by the way, there's a website now for that guy. That's the highest legal government official. His name is Joris Demink.

1:06:21 There's now a website, an English website, which I'm happy that someone's finally done that. It's called ArrestDemink.com. So ArrestDemink.com. I'm not going to type it in, it'll stop the connection. Yeah, don't do it because there's lots of video. ArrestDemink.com. And when I touched on that case, just to remind everybody, Got not only did I get thrown off the radio in Holland, but the whole station was was finance important license pulled down They said they burnt it to the ground nothing, but ashes good work. Yeah, so of course they can't burn us to the ground No, we just moved to a different house. Yeah

1:07:08 Anyway, that's my so you can bleep that out of the of the show if you don't want your children to be vigilant for crazy people so apparently To change gears here. The only people reporting on this it kind of be French Vancat yeah about the Syrian war which you now spell V a n c a t yeah great It's like it may be turning in the wrong direction from what the way Hillary wants it to go. Oh, really? Should we listen to that? Yeah, listen to this. Today the Free Syrian Army pulled out of the frontline Salahuddin neighborhood calling it a tactical retreat. Fighting has been raging in Syria's economic hub for more than two weeks now. Several hundred people have been killed there.

1:08:03 Armed with Kalashnikovs and other light weapons, the rebels' fight to keep control of Salahuddin was always going to be a struggle in the face of the full might of the Syrian army. Video uploaded on Thursday seems to show artillery shells exploding near rebel positions. They've also come under attack from aircraft. Despite their disadvantages, the rebels held out for several weeks. But now commanders are saying they've withdrawn from the Salahuddin neighbourhood. The Free Syrian Army still claims to hold on to other areas, including Saif al-Dawla and Sukkari. But the Guardian's Martin Chulov in Aleppo told Frantz van Kert that withdrawal will inevitably be seen as a setback. Well, the rebels are claiming that the withdrawal from Salah al-Din is tactical.

1:08:48 I would dispute that. It was a stronghold, it was very, very important to them. They'd almost defined it as their Alamo in many ways. So being forced to leave is something which wouldn't sit easily with them, I would imagine. The government is also launching raids outside the city. In Tal Rafat, a village some 40 kilometers north of Aleppo, a school and homes were targeted by the Syrian Air Force, killing at least six people from the same family. Despite the recent show of force by the government, many Syrian refugees in Turkey hope the rebels can still fight back. The Free Syrian Army has withdrawn just for a while, but then they will carry on. They're waiting for the regime forces to press forward, and then they'll attack again.

1:09:34 While the rebels may remain optimistic, they have already largely been forced out of Damascus. If they also have to withdraw from Syria's second city, their prospects of overthrowing the government of Bashar al-Assad may begin to dwindle. This is very interesting, John, because this to me means that Total Oil France has no dog in this hunt. No, obviously, because they're actually reporting honestly about what's going on. Yeah. And the American media is not telling this story. Have you heard this on American media? No. Well, even worse, quite the opposite. Quite the opposite, because of course, Lucifer, Clippity Clop, Hillary Clinton,

1:10:16 was in Istanbul just the other day and I have a few clips of what she was saying and what the... well actually let's make sure we... Make sure you play her jingle So here's a Canadians the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Who bring in the UK who are now because of course BP has got to have a stake in this otherwise Why would the UK be in it? So we have some new memes here. And of course, we have to go towards the seventh of our seven countries, as predicted by General Wesley Clark. We still need to shore up Lebanon.

1:11:01 So here's the meme starting to turn. Britain too stressed the importance of humanitarian aid, committing more than $7 million for medical supplies, communication tools and body armor for those not directly involved in the fighting. Body armor, very interesting. The risk of doing nothing is we see more butchery in Aleppo. Butchery! John, I hear butchery. Butchery. Butchery. Butchery. Are they butchering people now? Is that... They're using a machete. They're hanging them up. Oh, tease. More butchery in Damascus, in Homs, in Hama, elsewhere. That is what is happening. In Washington, more sanctions against the regime and its allies, including Hezbollah. The US says the Lebanon-based militant group has provided training, logistical support and advice to... As predicted... The Assad regime. We are committed.

1:11:49 to take every step we can to isolate the regime, starve it of resources to finance its brutal crackdown on the Syrian people. That's Spokeswoman Carney, pretty strong words, huh? Starving it! but politicians continue to try. The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be in Turkey tomorrow meeting with members of the Syrian opposition and Canada's foreign affairs minister will travel to a refugee camp in Jordan. Okay, so we've got those guys on board and Lucifer has to roll out the next part of the script so now we're already setting up Lebanon. Hold on a second. Hello citizens of Lebanon, be prepared, you are next. So that's coming.

1:12:40 But first we have to show everyone where the line is. What's the line gonna be? What line has to be crossed? What will happen? What will really make it all happen? planning, what the minister said, was to have very intensive operational planning. We have been closely coordinating over the course of this conflict. But now we need to get into the real of how we kill people.

1:13:25 Our intelligence services, our military have very important responsibilities and roles to play. So we are going to be setting up a working group to do exactly that. If anyone comes to you and says there's a working group, run away. And both the minister and I saw eye to eye on the many tasks that are ahead of us and the kinds of contingencies that we have to plan for, including the one you mentioned in the horrible event that chemical weapons were used and everyone has made it clear to the Syrian regime that's a red line for the world. What would that mean in terms of

1:14:11 response and humanitarian and medical emergency assistance and of course what needs to be done to secure those stocks. Which would be a no-fly zone, obviously. So there you go. I wish they'd already talked about it. The world would recognize a red line if chemical weapons are used and of course we already... By the way, you can hear that I am now under attack. You hear the airplanes? Yeah. Smiled yeah, well I have one last clip on this which is the British Foreign minister comes out in one of their representatives from the British government who is the British foreign minister? I don't have his name whatever the case is just another British blowhard. That's you know from the from the Cameron regime and he did that this is again. This is the another risk this is on the BBC and this is another

1:15:03 mention of the seven million which seems like a paltry amount of money and and and a reiteration they're not going to give him any guns which is I don't know what the you know if they want these rebels to win I think they're on the fence about whether or not they think they can actually pull it off and I think they're just kind of pulling back listen to this Britain is dismayed by the endless conflict in Syria and wants to help the outgunned rebels to win without actually arming them So the opposition group most on the front line, the Free Syrian Army, will get the lion's share of extra British help, including satellite phones, power generators, field dressings, possibly even body armour, but not guns.

1:15:48 I think it's very important for us to help prepare for the day after Assad. And so part of our job is to work with people who might be in a position of authority in Syria in the future, because we want that future Syria to be a plural democratic society. One that is very favorable to our oil and gas industries, William Haig, Foreign Minister for Gidmore Nation near East. Yeah, so it is so Here's my prediction. This thing is not working out the way they'd hoped in fact if you were listening to enough the reports are talking about it could go on for two or three years another with quagmire as It were and so the brand the British aren't given guns And we're not we haven't done the no-flies And we don't know how to pull it off and because of the Russians and the Chinese keep you know making a stink about it So I think they're gonna drone Assad You mean a surgical strike?

1:16:49 I think they're gonna find some way to kill him. And then, dah, you can do whatever you want. Now here's the question. Would it be a strike, a drone strike that we claim victory for? Or will it be some kind of suicide attempt, some hero who will go in and kill him? What do you think? I think it's going to be as much as it will hurt Lucifer for not being able to take credit. I think it will have to be the latter. It will have to be, you know, there was a terrorist explosion. He was killed. He was toppled. Yeah, some guy with some suicide bomber.

1:17:31 And, uh, but they, but then, but they will have to have it ready because that is, you know, cause then, you know, who's gonna, who's gonna, what puppet is going to jump in place, right? Right. Yeah. It has to all be set up in advance. So who could that be? It seems to me the way they're back, the way they're handling this so far is they can't really arm these other idiots and they, uh, You mean the terrorists? The Free Syrian Army terrorists? We don't know who they are. Well we do, the United Nations has actually, I have a report here. Oh I'm sure they have it nailed. They have designated the Free Syrian Army as an affiliate of Al-Qaeda. Oh okay, well that's good to know. That's probably why we can't arm them. Someone at the website over there, UN.org, is not on board with the program.

1:18:22 Apparently not. You published too soon. Yeah, you can't do that. So now we can't give them guns because if they're affiliated... Here's a thought, John. They're just gonna have to kill Assad directly. This is gonna be within the next few months. I got a thought. So the PKK is also being brought into this. Let's listen to what Hillary has to say about the PKK, because maybe we can find a solution there. It's one thing to talk about all kinds of potential actions, but you cannot make reasoned decisions without doing intense analysis and operational planning. We worry about terrorists

1:19:05 PKK, Al-Qaeda and others taking advantage of the legitimate fight of the Syrian people for their freedom to use Syria to promote their own agendas. So maybe it's a PKK terrorist attempt? That would be better. Right? Because then they could immediately go and say, oh we can't have PKK running the show because of their, you know, of course Turkey hates the PKK, and then they would have legitimate reason to go in and drone the PKK and take over and then put in some kind of dude. Turkey would agree to that, the PKK is the Kurdistanis. Yeah.

1:19:46 And they're trying to create a nation called Kurdistan, which nobody seems to want to do. But which would be part of I think Iraq and Turkey and there's a big chunk of land where they all are. And they have their own oil. Ah, that's a problem. Yeah, it's a problematic people. But they're really tight with us. The PKK? Generally speaking they were, I thought that they were because we're really tight with the Kurds. Well not according to what I just heard. Well no it sounds like they're not, you're right. Let me uh, let me uh, let me. It's a communist party of Kurdistan. Okay, read. See what we got. It's the Kurdistan Workers Party.

1:20:28 is the official... Yeah, the communist party. Okay, they're not... we're in with the Kurds but not with these particular Kurds. No, they're listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union and NATO, as well as Turkey, of course. Okay. So I don't think... Marxist-Leninist-Communist, Kurdish nationalism. Drug trafficking. Oh, well, they've got our drug business too. We gotta take that. We gotta take that back. Oh yeah, that's no good. Okay, so yeah, they're okay. So they're bad guys, by our standards. Yeah. Okay, a lot of nice flags though Nice flag It'll be such a shame when the flags are all gone following up on the Sikh shooting

1:21:19 As of course more and more information now becomes, is being propagated, you know, this is where the lies start. Remember, we had an eyewitness right there on Reuters or Associated Press, which of course is where all the lies start, but even they mess up, saying there were four shooters, four, count them, four, But we may never be able to actually verify that for something for a very interesting reason here is a report from our national treasure NPR there are some new developments in the case of the Wisconsin man who opened fire on a Sikh temple last Sunday What's his name again? That's a good question. The man at the center of the attack is a 40 year old army veteran named Wade Michael Page. Remember it's Wade, Wade Michael Page, army veteran. Page killed six people. Not a deranged lunatic, no, no, army veteran, just so you know, army veteran. Please be aware of all army veterans. At the temple and wounded three others, including a police officer. Page himself died at the scene. One reason.

1:22:21 why the FBI and local police are having to piece together clues to his motive. They think it may have had something to do with Wade Page's ties to the white power movement. The FBI held a press conference this hour to clarify what they do and do not know. NPR's Dina Temple Raston is here with the latest. Good morning. Good morning. And what did the FBI have to say this morning? Well, Theresa Carlson is the special agent in charge of the FBI in the Milwaukee field office. And she said that they'd already conducted hundreds of interviews since Sunday. And just to give you the scope of this, they've issued almost 200 federal subpoenas and 101 leads are pending as of this morning. So this is a really big investigation. And they have not clearly defined a motive at this point. There was no video in the temple itself. Apparently their surveillance camera wasn't on. No! But did you hear how she said it?

1:23:16 Did you hear the voice or intonation? How it went up? This was... So this whole report is like, yes I'm very serious here, I'm NPR, I'm talking about 200 subpoenas, 101 people, but apparently the video surveillance cameras weren't on? ...to find a motive at this point. There was no video in the temple itself, apparently their surveillance camera wasn't on? Apparently the vid... What is that? I don't know. Apparently the video surveillance camera wasn't on? I don't know, maybe she flabbergasted, I have no idea. And we understand for the first time, that Paige was not shot to death by a police officer, but died as a result of a self-inflicted wound. He shot himself in the head. Yeah. I'm imagining because of the four guys supposedly came in, I think there was an assassination of somebody. I think this was it. But I don't know who. I mean, I think that one guy, the leader, is there somebody there that they had to catch? We'll never know because if I had Paige in with them, he's like tied up.

1:24:12 up. This is kind of my imaginary scene. These three guys come and find the guy they're going to kill. They got a cop with them and they say, okay, oh, there he is. And they shoot the guy, the guy that had to kill. And then they cut page loses. And then the cop drills him bang, bang, bang. And he says, you didn't kill the guy. And another one of the, one of the three shoots guy in the head. So I think he's done. And then they leave. I mean, this just, I think as a scenario in a movie, that's the way I can imagine something like that happening. If it was an assassination. well apparently while pat page like that but they said in the script that we had before that he's a patsy he for some reason they had to you know he was done i know what the deal is but we don't know the story we have no clue or not get any will and will never done and will never know because apparently the video surveillance cameras were gone yeah the whole thing is just yet because it would be a god is a guy's the pleaded guys did their homework and cut the cable and she whatever happened happened we have no idea will never know

1:25:10 Let's go move on. Nothing to see here. All we know is that he was an army veteran and this white power is all over the military. You better get rid of those guys. Drones are better. You can't have guys flying planes because they could be white power. So I got a note from one of our producers who says, I have to remain anonymous but there's something you need to look into. Which I looked into and of course could not find really anything other than the fact that James Holm, who for some reason they called him the Joker. Which of course is an insult to the Joker whose hair is green. But where did James Holm, this is the Aurora shooter, where did he work and what color was his hair? He worked at McDonald's and his hair was very similar to that of Ronald McDonald. And according to this producer there's something hiding there. Maybe he was a Ronald McDonald. Yeah but why do they immediately call him a Joker and not a Ronald McDonald?

1:26:14 Well, that meme was changed very very quickly. Obviously, because they don't want to... McDonald's pays a lot of money to media outlets. And they don't want to be associated with this and somebody made a phone call. Hey, what are you doing? I heard there's... you're gonna mention Mc... no, no, no, no, you're not mentioning us ever. So here is a piece of audio from a YouTube video of James Holm Presenting what he is studying what he's about to go study in college. Have you seen this video? It's very very entertaining Hit it. All right, our next speaker is James Holm. By the way, it's Holm, not Holmes, but Holm. He has grad... What school did you graduate from? What school did you graduate from? Westview High School. He just graduated from Westview High School and will be attending the University of California, Riverside. He will be majoring in neuroscience. His goals are to become a researcher and to make scientific discoveries. It's a good start. In personal life, he enjoys playing soccer and strategy games, and his dream is to own a Slurpee machine.

1:27:15 These kids have been fun to work with this summer. Now listen to what he's into. Tiss, tiss. He won't let you show unless you can speak. Really? Okay. Well the lab I work in is the computational neurobiology lab or CNL for short. CNL is very computer oriented. Basically everybody who works in CNL does programming of some sort. One division of the lab called M-Cell does mathematical models of the cell such as that picture there. There's also computer simulations of hippocampal functions and neural network firings. And the knowledge that's gained is then made available to the public and the scientific community through the web. My mentor, John Jacobson, who works in CNO, is a philosophical type of guy. He's interested in how we perceive reality, specifically grapheme perception. And graphemes are basically just letters of the alphabet. And he wants to know how graphemes are mediated in spatial frequency channels.

1:28:17 He also studies subjective experience, which is what takes place inside the mind as opposed to the external world. So that's interesting how reality is perceived, how your neural networking, your brain fires. The guy was into some pretty deep crap there. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the theory is that he went bipolar or schizophrenic which is about the age it happens it usually happens when in your early 20s and that explains the whole thing and you were done okay so you just go nuts and that's it I'm just saying that's what they're that's what they're that's what the the meat not to mean but the that's what they're trying to sell us well well who I haven't heard this anywhere I haven't heard anyone try and sell us this I've heard it where

1:29:10 Well, now that you mention it, I thought everyone heard this, that he was schizophrenic and he flipped. I have not heard this at all. I've only heard, you know, he's just insane. I haven't heard anything about what he was studying. Oh no, I never heard that either. Oh yeah, actually I heard that too. I didn't hear all the details in the way he had described it, but I heard most of that. I'm going to look into this professor of his. See what see what's going on with him. This sounds like a DARPA MK ultra project to me. Yeah There you go meanwhile of course we all have to be very very afraid another gun scare at a showing of the new Batman movie

1:29:49 In New Haven, Connecticut, police say a man brought a loaded gun to watch the dark night rises. The suspect, who's a lawyer, says he did nothing wrong and brought the gun for protection. He has a state permit to carry a weapon. Moviegoers alerted police after seeing the gun in a holster. The man was charged for breach of peace and interfering with police. What did he do? He didn't do anything. Breach of peace. Smoking on the street. Don't bring your gun in for protection, slave. Please. Chef! Yeah. Scared. We're all afraid. Somebody's got a gunny dude. Come on man roll out the machete now. I'm ready for it. Can we do okay? Here's that they did their story which is yesterday the other machetes

1:30:28 He says, where do you get a machete is the clip. This is, now this is, you don't like guns? Well, let's have this for a crime. This happened just in the Bay Area recently. Police say a California man hacked up his living girlfriend of 10 years with a two and a half foot long machete. When officers arrived at the suspect's house, they found a 52 year old woman dead on the kitchen floor. Cops found the body of his girlfriend face down in their kitchen. Cover the weapon near the neighbor's home a couple doors down. Crime tape and homicide investigators are an unusual sight in this quiet city. So severe that Evangeline's skull had been fractured by multiple hacking wounds to her brain. They knew each other, they'd been together for a period of time and this tragic, this is just, they had a fight and it ended like this. Torturing his girlfriend.

1:31:14 We're pretty confident to murder. We're also confident that we have the suspect. We recovered the weapon near the neighbor's home a couple doors down. This is definitely a case of they knew each other, they've been together for a period of time. And this tragic, this is just, they had a fight and it ended like this. He swears that he is innocent. But if not him, then who? According to police, the victim in this case, a mother, Evangeline D'Vera, was hacked to death with a two and a half foot machete. Where do you even get a machete? At UCW Jensen, where do you get a machete?

1:31:50 I love the sound effects in this. And this by the way is a hacking sound. Wait a minute, Nancy Grace, is she not on HLN? Is that not a CNN network? She's on Headline News, right? It's a CNN. I mean the whole time it's like, yes, well, this is a, where do you even get a machete? And by the way, face down, killed her. Did she ever get out of the house? Killed her. What? I know, did she ever get out of the house? You can buy a machete Within walking distance at any hardware store. I've got a sword and you've got a sword I'm telling you but this is where you know no guns. We're a violent country. No guns We'll just hack it it as with a machete. I think the guns are a little you know more efficient There's make such a mess that clean really hacked her arms off and hacked her Hands off and hacked her in the brain this guy's like 54 He's an old man. You know community hacking away and his girlfriend. Oh

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1:44:26 My Android phone if you put it on GPS and you start going spending more an hour driving around the thing goes dead Let me let me let me explain something because I have experience with this Yes, if you only sure if you so we have a little converter a DC to AC converter So you plug in the phone you plug the charger in that gives it enough juice, but you're absolutely right and the problem is the screen and The screen is draining faster than the USB charge will charge the battery. So the way you do this is, you know, when you get like, when we're on the road where it says, follow the route for 174 miles, then you just turn off the screen, but you leave the navigator on and it will charge. But you cannot have the screen on, plugged into USB power through the cigarette lighter and have it charge. It will deplete and you'll be severely disappointed.

1:45:17 So Mark says, quote from my children, Daddy, are you listening to those boring men again? Oh, well, it's no Disney Channel. I highly recommend the best podcast in the universe. Never stop. I guess some kids don't like the show. Well, they'll amount to nothing. Byrar.com, B-Y-R-A-R, Watertown, Wisconsin, 68. My last donation of 69.69 was a complete success and my friend has a new human resource on the way. Who done it? You know, doing 69, I don't know how that works. I don't see how that can be a success for a human resource. I'm not seeing how that works, but okay. Alrighty then. I intended to donate another 69 to 69, but since that streak ended, no it did not, I decided to maybe start a new streak and the $68 donation is you do me and I owe you one. Hey baby, let's do a 68.

1:46:15 And I owe you one. As this is my second donation, I could use a de-douching. I didn't ask for it the first time I donated and I don't feel that a single donation should convey that honor. No. You've been de-douched. Kevin Reeves in Lake Anne, Michigan. 5555. Hey guys, there's double nickels on the dime from sales of the... This is not double nickels on the dime. This is double nickels on the double nickels. Yeah. Just a reminder to everyone to go to freefalleffect.com and grab it for five bucks. Oh, that's the... Those are the guys who like all the no agenda lyrics, the kind of heavy metal stuff, the five or six tracks on the EP. It's good actually. Oh, okay. You'll like it. Unless you're into, you know, like John into... What is your favorite band again? Debussy.

1:47:08 Charles Debussy favorite band would be I don't know the maroon five Cleveland Symphony's maroon five London Symphony's good and here's our buddies in the bay that was a says the best podcast universe Kevin does bronze brunes clothing in Watertown South Dakota and latest proceeds from the doge in a jacket sales and by the way these jackets are astonishing yeah they're really nice Especially if you live in the northern part of the country, you need one of these jackets. And you can get it with a concealed carry pocket. Yeah, you can. B-R-U-N-S. Just look it up on Google. Daniel Toriello, and it was $52. Daniel Toriello, Charleston, South Carolina. Beautiful city, 50 bucks.

1:47:52 Thanks for getting my name correct with my previous donation. Newsletter analysis of why Rubio wasn't tapped for VP is why Value for Value works, especially Marco Rubio es una ducha vaginal, douchebag, and has no idea what it means to speak, be a Hispanic in America. Just because you speak the language doesn't mean you represent a people. Always great show and give Adam and Miss Mickey karma for safe rest of the Hot Pockets 2009 tour. If you can't read this out loud on the show because it's too opinionated, I understand. He doesn't like Rubio. No, clearly. Which is fine. You've got karma. Well, we, you know, so there's someone who could know apparently, you know, Toriello. We had some guy, another nasty letter came in, a couple of them actually. And one of the guys, you know, he just hates us.

1:48:37 I think he hates you. I think he hates you in particular. He sent me a separate email saying, your partner is such a dick. The one the guy who bitched about you are complaining about the other guy who never do I ever producer? We're condemning all producers. Yeah, yeah people do this all the time They'll send something to you and I both and then either one of us will respond or both respond But then they split it up. It's like what kids do with mommy and daddy Daddy said he could do this and then there's like boy, you know, I love no agenda, but you should get a different partner I Yeah, sure. Yeah, right. That'll work. That'll be great. Yeah. Okay. Onward to the last one. This was actually a short list today, unfortunately. Yeah, it is short. Rick's in Murray, Utah. You drove right by his house. I missed him. Hey, John and Adam, he's coming. By the way, Patrick, he's coming back to Salt Lake City. So see us there. See us there.

1:49:38 Oh, he's actually looking, yeah, he's in Salt Lake City. Long time boner, first time donor, could use a de-douching a little karma for my kickstart project. I'm making homemade Southern style barbecue sauces. Love to send you both a couple of bottles and see what you think. I'll be glad to take a couple. I'll take a bottle with my address. Check out my website, patricksbbq.com and let me know where I can send the sauce. You mentioned my Kickstarter on the show. I'll kick back 10% of any donation from anyone who mentions no agenda Thanks for making my workdays bearable. I'm looking forward to donating again Patrick from Salt Lake City I don't think you can tell I don't think we can technically do that with a Kickstarter where you say you take some of the money and kick it back to someone I don't think and I don't want it. I'd love to try your sauce though, and we'll give you an honest opinion I know as you can put no agenda even in the Kickstarter thing. I don't think it's a good idea. I

1:50:27 Anyway, I have a good idea. I have a few selling sauce, but we'll take some sauce. We'll take it, you know, send us some sauce. So it is me. I tell you about the Boise meet up here. So again, we have our associate executive producer, Chris Breshears, lovely wife, Lori. Then at the meetup, we received $100 from Ray Adaki. Ray, a very interesting guy by the way, he was able to tell me a lot about how the telecommunication systems work and he said the biggest scam with the cell phones is that the government requires the power of individual cells to be very, very low. Why? Because they receive license fees for every single cell.

1:51:10 So they want more cells, therefore lower output per cell. Oh, I like that. No, I don't. It's like a ripoff. No, I mean, I like the creativity. It's very creative. So I'll de-douche right there. You've been de-douched. And he wants a little bit of job karma. You've got karma. Sincere thanks to Sir Russell Williams who was there. He donated the sword which you will be seeing plenty of pictures of. He also paid for dinner so we highly appreciate that. Sir AJ Reistadt, $100 a day's rental for the Sin Bin. And he actually was so cool he gave us a yellow note from Sir AJ Reistadt, one day's rental of the Sin Bin. Thanks for visiting and have a

1:51:57 Oh, have a safe trip back to Camp Mofo. And this yellow note, he closed it and sealed it with his No Agenda sealing wax and night ring. Yeah, we actually get a lot of, occasionally when a check gets sent in, people seal it with it. And it's cool. It looks great. It does. Chad Nelson gave us a whole stack of No Agenda stickers. which he's been printing up in the morning no agenda show dot com and these are white letters on transparent background so yeah they're really really pretty. So they go well on a laptop. They go well on a laptop well here's the custom signs it's vinylrocket.com make sure the surface you're applying the decal to is dry and clean remove paper backing apply blah blah blah you're good to go okay so we highly appreciate that

1:52:49 and so that was Chad Nelson and there was one other one of our dames was there and she actually I think she worked for or currently works at MERS. Are you familiar with MERS? M-E-R-S? You know it sure rings a bell but I can't tell you what it is. Well you've got well I will look into this this is the mortgage electronic registration systems And she says this is the most effed up. So that's why I'm not mentioning her name This is the most effed up company in the world She works there what these guys do is when you have a house mortgage and your mortgage is repackaged and split up and sold which of course is still happening Yeah, these guys register it and

1:53:40 But they don't act but you know, it's all hand input. So you're not the title is not actually re-registered anywhere These guys are the de facto Database where this is all changed She says it's a mess and people get foreclosed on because their information is wrong in the MERS database And you know, and so, you know, half of your mortgage payment is supposed to go to Citibank, the other half to Bank of America. But, you know, your unit number six has been confused with unit number seven. And then you get foreclosed on without even receiving notice. And it's all because of this database. So we have to look into this MERSinc.org. M-E-R-S-I-N-C dot org. Very interesting, what she was telling me.

1:54:28 Yeah, it's very interesting in fact. I'm sure it's part of the problem. Oh well. She says it is the problem. Oh is the problem She would know yeah, she would she's also sexy former She was on a nuclear aircraft carrier when she started listening to the show says you got me through all those dark days sitting on the nukes So thank you all very much for your support of our value for value proposition here. A little light today to say the least. But the Hot Pockets Tour continues to roll and we will be in Salt Lake City, Utah for our meetup there on Monday 6 p.m. at Justin Peck's home. Make sure you catch it. Devorac.org slash N-A. Niche's birthday, birthday!

1:55:23 On NO AGENDA! Sir Pate, who apparently has stopped the streak from breaking, the soixante-neuf, he congratulates himself, celebrating yesterday on the eleventh. John says happy birthday to Paulie Ballin, and that will do it, so happy birthday from all your buddies here at the NO AGENDA show! It's your birthday, yeah! And we have no nights. So, no knights. So we can just like swoosh our swords around as much as we want but there's not gonna... It's not gonna do anybody any good. Nothing at all. Um, so... Let me see, there were some things. Well, they're rousting the gypsies out of France.

1:56:07 despite the promises of Hollande, who's a socialist and apparently they always gave the right-wingers crap. Oh, you can't do that! So Hollande comes in, he says, eh, after promising he won't, he's just doing it. I've got two clips that at least give us, bring us up to speed on this. No, and by the way, they're not called gypsies, heaven forbid, by the French. They're called travelers or... Travelers or romas, either one of the two is fine, but gypsies, no, can't say that. It was a move that sparked accusations of a witch hunt under France's Conservative government. Now the new Socialist administration is also sending illegal immigrants home. A makeshift Roma camp near the northern city of Lille was broken up on Thursday. Some 200 immigrants will be expelled.

1:56:54 forced out against their will with no idea where they're headed. On Thursday morning this Roma camp was dismantled in Lille. The eviction had been planned for a while but many don't know where they'll be sleeping from now on. I just went to ask them what was happening, where they'll go today. They don't know. They're asking us. And we're not doing anything either. So we confiscated the few things they have, their caravans and that's it. They've got nothing. You know, I'm a gypsy right now. Do I qualify? No, you're not staying put anywhere for too long, maybe not. You have to actually kind of move into the place. Anyway, play part two and then I would say, want to make a comment. A few days earlier, some 200 Roma were living here on a piece of abandoned land. Some of them had been there for two years, a situation that had caused some friction with their neighbors.

1:57:51 For the last two years we've been woken up at night, regularly, sometimes two or three times a night. Loud music day and night, even at the weekend. You can even hear it with the windows shut. There are physical attacks, verbal attacks. The socialists have broken their promises. Yet for the charities, it's a worrying turn of events. They underline François Hollande's campaign promise not to evict travelers without an alternative. So much for the socialist campaign promises, it kind of rings a bell. But you know, I don't want to say anything bad about the travelers or the Roma's or whatever, but they're a plague wherever they are. They're a bunch of pickpockets.

1:58:39 Now what kind of generalization is that, John? You go to Paris, or I haven't been there for a while because of the Euro, so I can't afford it. We keep getting low donations, I'm not going to get back there. But you go there and you step outside and a bunch of kids come around to harass you and then one of them bumps you and the next thing you know your wallet's gone. I mean, they don't do anything about it. They really need to be rousted. Not sympathetic in other words. Wow. Okay, I was pickpocketed by a by a gypsy in in in Madrid. Well, then why no? Yeah, that's true Well, why don't we just lock him up then? No, just get you know, they just send them do a different country. You can catch I'm doing it Just send them to a different country. Is that your solution here? Well, that's what this that's a solution They can send it back to Romania where it's actually where many of them came from Well, the Italians also have a problem with the Romas. Yeah. Yeah, I

1:59:33 But that's not, you know, talking about arresting people for being crazy, this is another thing that hasn't been played up yet, even though I think it's a great human interest story. Great story about Tartaristan. Where is Tartaristan? It's in the middle of Russia. It's one of the Russian states where the Tartars, famous warriors. Is that where tartar sauce comes from? As many as 27 children are being cared for by Russian social services after spending up to a decade living a hermit-like existence in an Islamic sect. The 70 members were kept in an underground bunker on the outskirts of the city of Kazan without heat or light.

2:00:22 The Faisal Rahmanist sect is named after an 83-year-old self-declared prophet. Many of the children are said to have been born underground and have never seen daylight. There's such an underground labyrinth with small spaces measuring 2 by 3 meters. More than 70 people were living there. Parents of several children have been arrested and charged with child abuse. Many of the youngsters have been taken to local hospitals for observation before being moved to orphanages. Commentators say the sect is one of hundreds since the fall of the Soviet Union.

2:01:00 Local residents have expressed outrage. That's no way to live. Children that don't go to school, no education, no medical checkups. What kind of people will they grow up to be? Sect leader, Faiz Rakhman Sattarov, had declared his house an independent Islamic state. Only a few members ever left the building, located in the majority Muslim Russian Republic of Tatarstan. Okay. Well, I've some... Have you heard that story? No, but I do have an opinion on it. By the way, I like the idea of declaring your house an independent Islamic state. The independent Islamic state of no agenda. So, you know, you scoff at me, but these, the Tartars do have a history. They are not just some crazy sect.

2:01:53 Because, why because, Tartar sauce is named after the Tartars from the Eurasian steppe who once occupied Ukraine, the Czech Republic and Russia. So these are the people who created Tartar sauce. So they cannot, this is according to the book of knowledge, so they cannot just be called a sect if they created something that we use on our fish. Well, this group was the sect in Tartarstan. I'm not saying that Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Have you done the investigative research? Maybe they are the fathers of the tartar sauce. You know, I find it hard to believe that the Tartars invented tartar sauce. It makes a little sense because the name is exactly the same. It says it here. So I would have to defer to the Book of Knowledge. Well, hold on. I shall... It could be some joker who put that in there.

2:02:50 I got a good one. The name derives from the French sauce tartare named after the tartars from the Eurasian steppe. Oh, named after but not invented by. Who once occupied Ukraine, the Czech Republic and Russia. Beyond this, the etymology is unclear in Europe. Uh-huh. The sauce was used as a condiment to steak tartare. So basically they just like said, hey, I know. Hey man, that's some good sauce. Let's call ourselves the Tartars. That wasn't it. We'll name ourselves after a French sauce. The Islamic State of Tartar. And oh, there's the Hollandaise branch. It's like Tartar, now a new affiliate of Al Qaeda. Okay, you're just making fun of my clip. Yeah, I am. I have some Spanish news for you. First of all, the Spanish protectorate of, I think it's a protectorate, of Tenerife

2:03:46 as they say in the United Kingdom, where Tenerife is on fire. Mr. Oil, which I did not know, has been recalled to Tenerife to fight the fire. Wait a minute, hold on a second. Are you telling me that there's a massive, is it oil rig fire or an oil field fire? Wildfires. Oh, those wired fires, threatening oil wells? I don't know if it's threatening the oil wells, but people... There's no news of this. There's no news of the fire in Boise. Boise. Well, Boise and Tenerife apparently closely affiliated. But Mr. Oil, who I think was born there or something, I'm not sure, but he sent Miss Mickey a note. He says, you know, I may not be around because I've been recalled to the island of Tenerife to fight the fires.

2:04:38 Really? Yeah. Well, we'll check this out. We can look this up in the book of the Google. The Googles. No, there is. So there's, you know, I have to say, I'm pretty amazed that there's no news of the fires in Idaho. It is not minor. I mean, I don't want to talk about anything but the Olympics and the new normal. Maybe if it was a gay fire, it would make the news. So here's what's happening in Spain while you look up the Googles. Two Spanish trade unionists have been released after spending a night in jail over a Robin Hood style raid on supermarkets. This is the new meme in Europe. Robin Hood! They face prosecution for theft and pressing one store to donate food for distribution to the needy.

2:05:22 They were arrested after their union, which represents rural laborers in southern Spain, organized a raid to steal cartloads of food. So this has interesting connotations, because this is not just about Robin Hood, but it's about a labor union, which is interesting that this is a new tactic, I think. The Robin Hood robbings, the Robin Hood stealings, encouraging people to steal, but the union is encouraging people to do this. Taking some food and giving it to families who are having a really hard time, if this is stealing, I'm guilty, he says. The operation was condemned by larger unions, and industry associations said supermarkets already made donations. But the unionists have local backing. A left-wing mayor faces charges after leading the raid. If I end up in jail because I highlighted the crisis, it will be an honor.

2:06:15 The mayor spent a night in an improvised camp to show solidarity with activists. Andalucía has been particularly devastated by the crisis since the property crash of four years ago, with a third of the population out of work. So I think this is a kind of an Occupy thing, because the unions of course totally co-opted the United States Occupy movement, and they're just calling it Robin Hood. It's a rebranding of sorts. We should keep our eye on this Robin Hood meme. By the way, Miss Mickey just texted me that Mr. Oil was on Tenerife when he was called up I guess to To go fight fight the fires. Well this thing this fire began as a huge fire on this island I guess it's an island. Yeah, Lagorna threatening the garage in a National Park, which is a big deal So UNESCO World Heritage site and it started in like July 12th, and it's just been rampaging Wow Did terrorists said it al-qaeda?

2:07:13 Still not allowed to return to 18 towns and villages have been evacuated. Eight on the popular tourist island of Tenerife and 10 on La Gomera. La Gomera, yeah, that's one of the islands. But you have to say Tenerife. Tenerife. So there's more going on in Spain. Model airplanes. You fly them, you're a terrorist. Spain's interior ministry has released a video it says shows a model plane packed with explosives being tested for a potential Al-Qaeda attack. What? Earlier this month two Russians of Chechen origin and a Turkish man were arrested and charged. Police reportedly believe a shopping center in Gibraltar was being targeted during the Olympics. Okay, so this was a meme fest in 17 seconds.

2:07:59 This is, so they're talking about the three terrorists who were apparently training to fly motorized paragliders. These are the guys they're talking about. And now they show a video of a guy with a little red remote-controlled aircraft, you know, RC. Not like a huge one, you know, taken off from a field. But apparently those are going to be packed with explosives. They can't carry a bomb? Packed with explosives to bomb a shopping center during the Olympics, which is not in Spain. What is wrong with these people? Are they trying to confuse me? This is why, I mean it's not just in America people. It's not just in America. Everywhere in the world, I command you, turn off your television! I command you. This is bad for your brain, not good for your health. You can combat it a little bit with the No Agenda show, but we can't fight this, John. We cannot fight this.

2:09:02 Apparently not. Now, have you heard of tripwire? We can have fun mocking it. Yeah, we can. Have you heard of tripwire? Yeah, yeah I have. Okay, what have you heard about Tripwire? I don't, I can't tell you until you tell me. No, well you said you've heard of it. Yeah I have, it's all over the place, but it's not at the top of my brain right now, so I can't tell you what it is. Okay, well so, alright, so here's the deal. Now, so this comes from WikiLeaks, the code name Tripwire, which of course is immediately suspicious. Is this, you're talking about the latest? Is this the thing where they, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, this is good. I know what it is. Alright, then tell me because I want to know I don't know what it is. You know what it was I just I was just talking about it last night as a matter of fact with buzzkill jr. By any chance Yeah, he's been following it because I want to know his take on it. I am very interested. He just left Oh, why well tell me what your take is and I'll chat It'll remind me what the conversation was I can tell you what his take buzzkill jr. Doesn't care about the show apparently No, he had to go do something. Okay, and he never listens. Does he have a girlfriend? Oh

2:10:02 Yeah, his girlfriend's with him. Oh, he's doing a 77. 7171. Okay, according to WikiLeaks, which got like, and I think they got this from the Strat for emails or something. Supposedly they got shut down. Well here it is. The idea is, according to former senior intelligence officials, there is a detailed surveillance system. Oh right, right, right, right. That utilizes cameras all across America and these cameras have facial recognition in them so that now but there's an extra piece to this that I just heard about today and this comes from New York City so the code name is Tripwire which I like you know Tripwire is kind of you know kind of covert kind of sounds good but in New York they call it the domain awareness system and at the end of the report

2:10:57 Comes so again bear in mind that the idea behind tripwire is that all these cameras around the United States are wired They're all reporting back and by the way, this may be just a surveillance camera, you know by one of these Wi-Fi cameras and And you thinking that oh, it's just for your home, but maybe it could be transmitting back to some other home base and So bear that in mind as you listen to this report about the domain awareness system from Democracy Now. The New York Police Department's launched a new citywide surveillance system that will allow police to monitor thousands of cameras around the city and instantly call up detailed information about surveillance targets.

2:11:34 The Domain Awareness System is connected to about 3,000 television cameras stationed around New York City, with more cameras reportedly planned, as well as several hundred license plate readers mounted on police cars and stationed on bridges, tunnels, and streets. It centralizes information, including live video feeds, maps, license plate readers, and city records, allowing police to gain instant access to information about a suspect's arrest records. 911 calls associated with a suspect and related crimes that have occurred in a particular area. It also allows police to track cars associated with suspects and find out where they've been over the past several months. The system was developed by the NYPD and software giant Microsoft, and the city will reportedly get 30% of the revenue when the technology is sold to police forces around the country. So what's interesting here is that this is made by

2:12:30 Microsoft. What has Microsoft been propagating throughout living rooms all across the country, all across the world? Yeah, now this has been discussed, the Connect box. Thank you. Yeah, that little thing, that thing is dangerous. So the, and by the way, you heard in this report saying that it can detect people without saying they have facial recognition. That's how you detect people, obviously. Well supposedly the way this operates is that they can, if they take, what's Adam Curry been doing for the last two weeks and they can put it in the machine and then they find your face all over the place and then they can say oh he went here, he went there, he went to shopping, then he got back to the house and then he went here and they could follow you around after the fact

2:13:14 because they've recorded all this stuff. This is bullcrap. Let's just start right off with this thing. Facial recognition doesn't work for crap. Oh yes it does. It's particularly bad with women. It works fine if you stand in front of a camera and it takes a picture of you. By the way, to make yourself more paranoid, look at the latest version of Windows 7 where it says, would you like to sign in? Facial recognition. Or go facial recognition so they get a nice shot of your face. It's Windows 8 by the way. And it's also on your smartphone.

2:13:52 This is how Android is also doing your login with facial recognition. Not with me. No, but they're pushing it. This was at the I at the I O conference, whatever that Google thing is. They were showing a tablet recognizing your face. It does work. Facial recognition does like Crap, what is it? Yeah, if you're standing right in front of it, it works fine. No problem. John, Facebook uses facial recognition to tag people automatically in pictures. It may not be 100% fail-safe, but it does work and it is being implemented and it's even worse that it doesn't work because then you could be implicated as a terrorist incorrectly.

2:14:29 I'm not arguing that point. Now, so I worked with a guy, or I didn't work with a guy, but a guy gave me some information. One guy, a programmer who developed most of the license plate reading software. He says that if you want to defeat it, just take some mud and throw it at your plate. So you need to have mud on your face all the time? Is that how we escape the new world order? No, I'm just telling you about the license plate thing, because that's more onerous, because they'll send you tickets and bills and all kinds of things from that. They're not going to send you a ticket necessarily from your face. I would suspect that hats, you know, which by the way, you're painting an eyeball under your, you know, painting an eyeball under your eyeball. That's one of the things that totally screws up the system. He has three eyes. Yeah.

2:15:21 You have to take your hat off in many stores. I'm just saying you can defeat it. You can defeat it, but in general, people don't go around with their faces smeared with mud or a third eyeball painted on their head. This is not the general practice at home in front of your connect. Well, it should be. No Agenda recommends painting an eyeball on your head. You know what the solution is? A burka. The Burkas will do the trick. Maybe we should go with that. No agenda Burkas. I think we need... Can we do that or will we get stoned if we sell no agenda Burkas? I don't know. Is that illegal? You know, Mickey bought a Burka. Why? She wants to do a photo shoot. I'm sure it's... Oh right, you already told me this. I asked already. Yeah, I'm sure it's going to be something that she can be stoned for. It's probably not a good idea.

2:16:16 Oh, religious iconography. It depends on what tribe's burka she's wearing. Some of them are less sensitive. I do have an interesting clip, you know, to get back to the Middle East for just a second. Yeah, because it's not good enough that we're being tracked at home by tripwire. That's not interesting enough. Are you on Twit today, by the way? Yes, I am. This will come up. Be ready. And what you just said is not the right way to promote our show. What you need to say is, why yes? At No Agenda we've discussed this. Noagendashow.com. In great detail. In great detail. And we've come up with the BRCA solution. Yeah, that'll do the trick. That'll get me up. Yeah, I'll get the money. I guarantee you this is a topic on This Week in Tech today. Okay, you just guaranteed once before and it never happened. You watch. You watch. It's gonna happen. Okay, I want you to play this clip because this is interesting to me. CIA grabs Iranian. Okay. Iranian. Can I play it?

2:17:14 Yeah. We did report on him a few months back. And I think we have a picture that we can show. It comes from Iran's press TV. So he is a nuclear scientist. He was working at a university that is allied with the nuclear program of Iran. He goes to Saudi Arabia, to the holy sites, and then he disappears. And at that point, Iran says he's been kidnapped by the United States.

2:18:03 However, this new report that came out from ABC News says that actually he defected to the CIA and that he's been given some valuable information. As you might expect, there's no confirmation coming from the US government, the State Department, anybody officially. But you know, one of the things, it's a bit murky, Wolf, because it's unclear exactly what he knew. Remember when we were talking about calm that the CIA... So here's the question for you. This actually happened in May of 2008 I think 2010 uh-huh, so what I'm glad you looked it up. What did I ruin yours an old clip? We actually ran this clip before what has happened since this it was like this report. It was all over the news

2:18:53 Sharam, Amiri, new twist and mysteries on the Guardian, July 2010, turns out he was actually kidnapped in 2009, even though this report ran in May of 2010. And now what? It was bulk, the whole thing was just a bunch of, I mean, why are we, why is this even, it's just so annoying to me. I went to back, I've decided to do some, take really old clips, the oldest ones I can find and see what happened since. Right. Nothing. You've done pre-production. Well, kind of. What's happened since? Nothing. We've heard nothing about this. Why don't they wheel this guy out? This Shahram Amiri. Why don't we roll him out?

2:19:36 and have him say, yeah, yeah, it's all true because this is how the news is portraying the current Israeli-Iran situation. According to a major daily Israeli newspaper, the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his defense minister would like to strike Iran as early as before the US presidential elections taking place in November this year. Now, amid escalating media reports and expert predictions that such an attack could in fact be around the corner, the paper's front page article on Friday, authored by its senior commentators and reportedly based off of conversations with Israel's defense minister, says that if it were up to Benjamin Netanyahu and his minister of defense, Israel would

2:20:22 cause a military attack on Iran sometime within the next several months. Importantly, Israel's security cabinet ministers have been resisting such an option for now. What's important here is while Israel is weighing this option, we know of course that Iran continues to insist that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes exclusively. And we have seen the Obama administration be careful in urging Israel to stick with diplomacy. And now of course the big question is whether Israel may in fact go ahead with such an attack and whether or not it will wait for a green light from Washington. Importantly, experts in this article are quoted to say that

2:21:02 if such an attack were to take place before the US presidential elections, this would cause a major embarrassment to Barack Obama as well as really cast a blow to his success in these elections because as we know his main rival Republican Mitt Romney has never excluded such an option. So this would be a prime time to roll this guy out. It would be. I don't think the guy exists. Whatever the case, I tried to find some something about him since July 2010 is the last time I could find him. But in the process I ran into the great series of articles that took place like earlier this year that say 16 intelligence agencies say that Iran has no intent of building a nuclear weapon. And I'm, you know, this is not being discussed. The whole thing, and by the way I do think it's possible that

2:21:56 If Obama had anything to do with bombing Iran now, he could lose the election. So if he did it, I think it would be an attempt to scuttle this re-election possibly. So it might be, I think near the end here, I think we're going to see both sides trying to, you know, you worse they can use that i mean i think obama doing that dirty ad was just great has got a lot of bad publicity for dirty ad was the dirty out of the ad is like uh... right actually powers stern made fun of this and uh... reasons series of uh... you listen to howard stern i went i went out with butler to go get the pig when he has uh... he has uh... serious xm yes so we listen to stern okay on the way out and back and uh...

2:22:43 Stern is really a talent. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah, if only he had, you know, if only he did some of it. And you know what? I'm glad he's doing hookers and strippers and stuff because if he was in our neck of the woods, we'd have a real problem. If he was doing political stuff and news. Oh yeah. He doesn't even know who Ron Paul is. Yeah, no, he's totally, he's just kind of a knee-jerk Republican. Oblivious, oblivious, yeah. Well anyway, the ad was about Romney. There's a guy comes on the air. I actually had a clip of it but I decided I thought it would be boring. But anyway, the guy comes on and he says, oh you know, my steel company was bought up by Bain Capital and then they kicked, they fired us all. I lost my health insurance and then my wife died of cancer. Oh that one, yeah. And Romney killed her. Right. It's essentially the ad.

2:23:32 But more importantly, Romney wasn't even ahead of Bain Capital when this whole thing took place. But it's beside the point. It's a really nasty ad and it's got a lot of negative publicity, even though the Obama campaign thinks, ah, this is great. More importantly, you bought a pig? Yeah, we had a... well I've gotten... yeah, we bought a pig to eat. Yeah, I'd like to hear the story about the pig you bought to eat. You and Michael Butler bought a pig? We split a pig, yeah. You split a pig. So how does this process go? Where do you... do you go to the pig market? The pig store? No, no, we bought this from Future Farmers of America auction at the Alameda County Fair. Do they have a website? Do you do this online or you go there? No, no, you have to go to the auction. And you see the pig and you go like... you look tasty? Is that how it works?

2:24:16 Well, Butler's approach was low bid, low ball every pig that came up until one got through. He didn't really want to buy the pig, is what you're saying? No, no, he wanted to buy the pig, but he was real strict on what he's going to pay. Okay. And even though it's like a tax write-off and there's a bunch of advantages. What? Wait a minute, buying a pig is a tax write-off? Well, if you buy a pig at an auction for Future Farmers of America or 4-H at a county fair and you pay one cent over the market price of hogs and then at that point, which you will because these pigs are not cheap, you get to write off that money as a charitable contribution. Because the money goes to the kids who get to, you know, it helps them to college, to get to go to school. Wait, what kids? What kids? The kids who raised the pigs. You took a pig from a kid?

2:25:03 Yeah, and apparently the kid was in tears. Oh no! And Martina was there, Butler's daughter, and she says that she doesn't know if she can eat the pig named Rosie. Butler on the other hand got a picture with the pig. And so he got this... by the way, the pig is delicious. So... So so Butler got it and the kid Well, apparently they all do this and you have to kind of I guess tolerate it the kid a little 11 year old girl, you know She's in tears It was her pet pig and you told you took the pig and ate it. Yes You're such a horrible man! You should go back and- You should go back to the kid and say, here you want some bacon from your pet pig? He apologized to her but you know she was raised- the pig was raised to be eaten not to be hanging around the house. So uh- You're a mean- you're a mean old man!

2:25:58 I wasn't there! You're a horrible man! It was Butler who was the mean old man. Hey kid, your pig looks delicious. Butler wants a picture with the pig, he wants to know the name of the pig. So anyway, so we went to the butcher, a great butcher out in Manteca. Wait, wait, can I ask you, I need to understand the process. So you had the pig and the pig is at this point alive. Yes! So the pig is like, squidy squidy squidy squidy! And you take the- So there's a kid crying over here. Yeah. There's Butler doing Facebook pictures with the pig. And you're taking the pig to a great butcher. Oh, the butcher's fantastic! Okay. Yeah. So many ways.

2:26:38 It's a good Portuguese butcher and they actually make a linguiça just at the shop. You have to go there to get it. So anyway, yeah, so he bought a pig and there was all this process. I'm going to write a little paper on this and sell it for 99 cents so people can know how to do this. We also bought a kindle paper. We bought a cow a month earlier, or a heifer. From some kid again? No, no, we bought this from a farm. This is one of the young... I'm sorry, look, I'm all for eating the pig. Yeah, but the little kid thing is a little disturbing that it's very disturbing that there's some organization that that helps kids raise piglets 11 years old I don't know in America

2:27:24 outside of rural America, you know, certainly the San Francisco Bay Area, these kids don't understand that pigs are for eating. They're in Future Farmers of America, they better learn to understand. This was a future farmer who was crying? Yeah. Apparently all the little girls, they raise these pigs for their college education and then they sell the pig and they're very upset about it because they know the pig is going to get butchered and eaten. You can tweet her a picture of your ham sandwich I'm sure she'll love it. I'm sure she won't, but it's just the way it is. So anyway... Yeah, of course, and I'm agreeing with you, but the whole idea... Yeah, I know, the whole scene is kind of weird, especially in the Czar and the Bay Area, but I was convinced that there's good eating down here, because we do this in Washington, we buy pigs and cows and lambs and have them butchered, and it's a more common practice, and where you are, in your neck of the woods, right now in Boise, everybody does it,

2:28:22 Yeah. And so we're doing it locally, even though I have to go all the way to Manteca, which is an hour and a half damn near to get to the butcher because nobody can do this in the Bay Area because it's like too many people put signage, no, killing animals is bad, eat vegetables. So, uh, yeah. Did you kill the pig with a machete though? That's the question. No, you, you, you, you hire a, it's part of the process. There's a, there's a guy who we had, there's used to be a guy up in Washington called the Zen uh, the zen, I forgot what, the zen killer, something like that. The zen killer. You have these guys, the slaughter guys, the guys who kill the animal are specialists, it's not the butcher. And there's this guy called the Zen Brother and he apparently would sweet talk the animal. To death.

2:29:09 Sweet-talked the animal and then before the animal knew what was going on it boom off him. So the animal was more tender than he could be. Well now I will say that it is of course extremely important that the animal was not distressed before being butchered. The little girl argues that the animals that are the most loved, the pigs that are the most loved by their owner that was raising them, their guardian, are tastier. She's totally convinced of this. Well, no, I agree. I agree too that it's like the cows we saw in Utah. I bet you that they are really tasty because they seem so incredibly happy walking around, doing whatever they want to do, drinking from the lake, eating the grass. They're not fenced in. They can walk anywhere they want. And you get one of these and they're going to be really, really good. It's just... Yeah, and they're not fed up with hormones and other stuff they can't do.

2:30:04 You buy these animals directly from the growers and you find out what they feed them, how organic it is. The cow we bought was totally grass-fed. And then you read... Turns out to be quite mild. And then you read him a haiku. And then... Boom! Nice! So, yeah, we went to get a pig. And in the process, we listened to Howard Stern. Oh, John, it's so nice to be associated with you. Well, I'm looking forward to the Oryx. Oh, yeah. No one we get when we get back. We're gonna go to Sebastian's place Sebastian the the frog man the the French guy from the market in Austin He apparently has a license for everything. He has a processing license a kitchen license Mickey was looking at his website. She says the guy he's got some awesome stuff. So and he will make me go and shoot the Oryx and

2:31:01 Which I think is... Well that's gonna cost you a lot of money if you do it that way. I thought you could just get the over. No, no. We're getting a couple people together. It's a thousand dollars. And I've never shot an animal in my life. So I'm not, you know... You'll probably miss. No, I will not miss. But I think it is the right thing to do. In the circle of life. You know Mark Zuckerberg? No please. I mean everything was going so well. Well he only eats what he kills. He's a douchebag. I don't give a crap about Mark Zuckerberg. Okay, okay. I'm just saying. Now I feel like I'm on level with Mark Zuckerberg.

2:31:37 You wish! No I don't wish John, no I don't. I've been rich, I have no desire to be rich anymore. Alright. Well you're not gonna get there from here. Don't worry about it. No worries, not gonna happen. Oh wow, okay I think we should end it here while we're on a high note of making 11 year old girls cry as you kill their pigs. This is a great... Okay well then I want to do an after show clip. Oh what's your after show clip? Two-parter, drone show in Vegas. Okay you know what, stop. Stop. What? We can't just do that as an after show clip. What, you want to talk about drones? I love talking about drones. Well, then hit the jingle.

2:32:22 What? That's a different thing? Well, okay, if you want the jingle then... Win, lose, or drone! That's right everybody, we've got a drone show going on in Vegas. Here's the man who kills pigs that belong to 11 year old girls, John C. Devorak on Win, Lose, or Drone! A, I didn't kill the pig. So, okay, we got the two-parter drone thing there. You know, we missed this by the way I'm very annoyed if I had known about this show I would have gone would have gone to I had no idea You know, listen to it, and it's cool because they have every kind of drone. We are douchebags, I can't believe that. Whether it's on the battlefield or providing security at high-profile events like the Olympics, these days drones or unmanned robots have come to play an increasingly critical role. Well, despite drawing controversy, their capabilities have often proved essential. So what will the drones of the future look like? Well, they've been on display in Las Vegas and our correspondent Alastair Leithead went to have a look.

2:33:26 They're all watching. Underwater, with the latest generation of robot submarines. In the air, flying themselves, usually with a military purpose. Or on land, going where humans can't, and all the time, beaming back pictures. Looking at the world's smallest tactical micro-robot, you pull the pin and the robot is on. You then throw it into your target, and drive it around the building. So what kind of things are you looking for up there at the moment? Well, it could be just booby traps, people, drive it around the building. These are already being used by UK special forces and American troops in Afghanistan, but also by police forces and SWAT teams. Drones are being built with the military very firmly in mind, from those which can be sent out to kill or sent to spy on or fire on targets on the ground.

2:34:26 Couple of things. One, in the report, drones flying themselves, i.e. autonomous drones. Second one, finding people through tripwire facial recognition. They didn't say that. No, but I did. Can't believe we missed this show. Yeah, I know. It's very irksome. And it's on the BBC. I didn't see any report about this. Well, I don't know. Yeah, no, I didn't either. It's just only on the BBC. I was just, what? What? Anyway, part two. Okay, here we go. Drones are becoming more and more sophisticated all the time. Whether it be the full-size helicopters that are flown without a pilot down to the tiniest little spy drones. And as they move more into civilian airspace, people are worrying about Big Brother. About whether they could be under surveillance all the time.

2:35:19 Some police forces operate aerial drones already and will use them more here as US regulations are being relaxed. We were very concerned about Americans taking this as a new normal. That the surveillance state or the police state becomes widely accepted by the general public as the new normal. That's not the kind of America that I think most of us want to live in. It's certainly not the kind of America that most of us grew up in. Yeah, wow. Okay, you know what? You're gonna get clip of the day for that. I think it was a yeah No, I think it was actually above and beyond my my Obama clip. That was that was actually outstanding John Because they dropped the mean bomb the new normal Wow, okay. Well we were gonna go out on a high with the pig

2:36:17 Why bother? We didn't get any money. If you enjoyed the depressing nature of this program, turn off your television, read a book, and go eat a pig. My goodness. Alright, next show I think will be from New Mexico. I believe. I'm not sure. So continue to follow us on the Hot Pockets Tour. Remember us at Dvorak.org. Support the show, will you? We're on the road here. Throw a burka on or throw a burka over that connect while you're at it. Or mud. Or mud. Or paint a third eye on your face.

2:37:02 And we have a No Agenda Producer update coming up with Ms. Mickey. She'll be telling you all about what's happening from her perspective here on the Hot Pockets 2009 Tour. That will be on noagendastream.com. Again, thanks to Chris and Laurie Brashears and Mike Brashears, Vintage Airframes, for letting us hang out in front of Dottie Mae, MAE, everybody. Coming to you from Gitmo Nation Potato, where you can't get an Idaho potato in the morning, everybody, my name is Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where you can get an Idaho potato, ironically enough, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday, right here on No Agenda.

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