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00:00 Yeah, yeah, you're full of crap. Adam Curry, John C. Devorah. Sunday, June 3rd, 2012. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 414. This is no agenda. Celebrating our tungsten Jubilee here at Camp MoFo in the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley I'm John C. Dvorak Opening with a stinger Nice whatever whatever it takes Wow man are we in the vacation period or what I mean we've got nothing but diamond Jubilee on TV

00:44 And the crazy thing is, the Diamond Jubilee, which apparently you can celebrate on your 60th year of top elitist. I mean, the way I remember it, Diamond was 50. No, diamond is gold 75. Diamond is gold 75? What kind of a sentence is that? I'm practicing to be Aaron Burnett. No, 50 is gold, 75 is diamond. It's nothing. 60 isn't even anything. You're not supposed to get anything at 60. So why are they going on and on about it? To distract everybody.

01:24 And these stupid slaves. I mean, I see all the reports, we've got all the reporters in England. It's raining. It's the coldest day, the coldest spring day ever in Europe today. It's raining. It's coming down in buckets. And the stupid slaves are standing there with their flags. I can't wait to see the old lady. She's coming, the old lady in her golden carriage. Oh, that's why I didn't realize this was going on. I wasn't obviously Following the English stuff by every time I turned on the TV. They had a thing on one of the BBC shows where where Prince Charles discovered some old home movies made by the Queen shooting Elephants in Africa no doubt no actually it was her playing with him when he was a little little one year old toddler Uh-huh, and it was actually kind of funny, but it was like oh

02:15 It's just never ceases to amaze me how easily distracted people are or maybe they're just like so happy to have a reason to party. I don't know it's It's baffling to me. Although I have to say there's actually there is some interesting television going on CNN has done something interesting for once and now that of course Piers Moron had to go back to the UK to celebrate the The really the queen get arrested if you go back Queen Lizard Oh, he might not even be there so they had these guests hosts and that's pretty interesting Harvey Weinstein that did a guess I wanted to see it. Yeah, it was good and I saw Regis Philbin with David Letterman Outstanding interview I thought yeah, I mean totally on in its inside baseball I think very uninteresting for for the normal public be like who are these two old guys and

03:11 But you know, I thought, you know, that's actually entertaining. I sat there like, oh my God, I actually said to Miss Mickey, I said, I'll be right there. I'm watching CNN and I'm engaged. Can't believe it. Yeah, well, it's because you have people that are somewhat engaging as opposed to Pierce Morgan, who just seems like a stiff. Yeah. But there is stuff happening for sure. And I have to say, I'm getting worried. I'm really getting worried that You know, we've who's who was that douche Cass Sunstein that his name Cass Sunstein. Yeah Cass Sunstein. Yeah Yeah, he said the Nagler right he said, you know We have to infiltrate these groups and work them from the inside and I think it's pretty much happened at this point there is And I see it on no agenda news network comm I'm gonna start clearing that up because people have added a lot of

04:12 Still, you know, a lot of these sites that aggregate stuff and I like some of them but you get like activist posts and see the way we set Noah J. Newsnetwork.com up is you can just add an RSS feed and the idea is you create a blog somewhere, add your own RSS feed and if you find something interesting you post about it and it shows up on the news network. And so I'm kind of battling where people like, yeah this is a great source of news. So every week there's a deletion of Infowars.com. It's like, you know, that's not a great source of news. That's an aggregator of stuff and it all has to be vetted. We got to look at it. And then we still have a couple of guys like the Denman and WT. I mean, they're really doing a great job and finding stuff and posting on their own feed. But there's stuff coming through that really has me worried. And actually, I watched some C-SPAN. There was something going on.

05:03 This and and everyone's on top of this the ITU I'm sure that you read about this You read this story the ITU the ITU. Well, what did they do now? Well, so the ITU is the International Telecommunications Union United Nations outfit and So there was a hearing on the hill and the hearing was about, and remember I told you, you can look it up in the Red Book. I said, ICANN, there's something weird going on at ICANN. These are the guys who control the internet names and indirectly the root domain servers and the previous shill just got retired and there's all kinds of stuff going on.

05:53 And so Vince Cerf is on the hill and he's testifying because the word is, and if you look at the ITU website, there's no actual mention of it, but there was an interview, I think in Vanity Fair, of all places. Are you talking to someone else? No. Oh, maybe just some feedback. That the head of the ITU wants to take over the functioning of ICANN. And of course I'm against all United Nations organizations, so that's not a good thing. But then when I just hear how this, and this is the 30 seconds, within the first 30 seconds of this two and a half hour Senate testimony, I knew this thing was rigged. Listen to this. This is the chairman, he's Greg Walden, Republican from Oregon.

06:49 Good morning. I want to welcome our witnesses and appreciate their testimony today. This is the Subcommittee on Communications and Technology and our hearing on international proposals to regulate the Internet. Nations from across the globe will meet at a United Nations forum in Dubai at the end of this year and if we're not vigilant, just might break the internet by subjecting it to an international regulatory regime designed for old-fashioned telephone service. Okay, so the setup is there. You need to watch no further really. It's like, okay, so we know what your agenda is, Mr. Chairman. They're going to break the internet.

07:28 And the concept of breaking the internet is pretty vast if you really know the technical workings of it. The only thing that can really be broken I think at this point is the domain name system. That's what this is all about. So then there's a lot of testimony and Vint Cerf, who I would like to remind everybody is he works for Google. Okay? He works for Google. Google has a stake in this and I could play you clips of his testimony but I found the written testimony to be more important because and I'm finding this more and more because there's a lot of stuff in there that they don't say in the actual testimony but that but the real record is what their written testimony is and I just you know I want you to follow along and tell me if you think I'm off base here because I think something nefarious is happening

08:22 So he starts off with his Chairman Walden, Ranking Member Eshoo, members of the subcommittee. First of all, he touts about his, you know, there's his background, VP, Chief Internet Evangelist at Google Inc. I always run away from people with an evangelist title. I also serve as a fellow for the IEEE and last week he was elected as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. What do you know about that organization? Is that anything valid? I think it's a drinking club. That's what I thought. And then here's something weird. If I would be testifying on the Hill about podcasting,

09:01 I can pretty much guarantee you this one thing I would not say. I would not say, you know, I'm the podfather. I mean, do you think, how does that sound? Would that sound kind of... I'd love to hear you say that on the hill. Yeah. Don't you think people will go like, what a douchebag. Oh yeah. Okay. Well, here in his testimony, as one of the fathers of the internet and a computer scientist, I care deeply about issues relating to the internet's infrastructure. I found that to be kind of douchey. You know? You don't think that's douchey? It's not flattering. No.

09:40 Okay, so he's here to do in this testimony, which is only three pages the internet and the ITU So he starts off that's a subheading after its inception as a US government project after the internet has been decentralized to maximize the effectiveness of open bottom-up multi-stakeholder approach I find that to be factually incorrect Why? It was the concept of the internet. I mean, DARPAnet was not the internet. DARPAnet was DARPAnet. The internet is the decentralized... Oh, that's ARPANet by DARPA. I'm sorry, ARPANet by DARPA. DARPA inside.

10:21 So that's kind of a, I find that to be a little misleading to say after its inception the internet has been decentralized. The internet is a decentralized network and the only core protocol that matters is TCP IP. Many multi-stakeholder organizations have played a fundamental role in internet governance and evolution. These include the non-profit ICANN that oversees the handling of domain names. So now he's setting up the ICANN and he talks about the Internet Society, which by the way are a bunch of elitist pricks. You know back in 92 All of this was coming about you know we had the Internet Society The EFF and I tried to join these organizations and were shunned. You know they wouldn't even return a call or an email

11:09 I mean have you ever sat in on this drinking club the the Isoc the Internet Society? No, no, but I you're probably right. Yeah, and I remember my domain name dispute with MTV I went straight to John Perry Barlow EFF. They're like nah, no, we're not gonna help you because they're elitist pricks. For example, although ICANN has representatives from all regions of the world on its board, more international voices could be added. So he wants to keep ICANN going because there's a lot, as we've already discussed in a previous show, I can probably point to that one in the show notes, there's a lot going on with ICANN there. I do not think they're kosher at all. But here's the pitch that Vint Cerf, this is what I was getting to.

11:48 Quoting from him. We also need to work together to create and refine voluntary developed codes of conduct a US-based nonprofit called the global network initiative is a great example. Ah Okay, and then he goes on to talk about this GNI this is the one we've got a look at and I want you to go to global network initiative org so you could take a look at who's in on this and and they have some core documents which I've of course read for so you don't have to and right here on their home page the whole thing is about human rights John, human rights, human rights and the internet and of course there are only really three founding members of this outfit and that is Google, Yahoo and Microsoft

12:41 They are planning to take everything over and that's why Vint Cerf is out there shilling on the hill is They they want the GNI to be the one that makes all the rules and if you look at who's On the on the but well I just look at staff if you if you will the GNI staff then you can look at the board of directors the executive director here Susan Morgan I wonder if you know any of these people Susan Morgan, British Telecom shill, the independent chair, former... Where are you getting this? Global Network Initiative dot org. I'm on the site, but I've downloaded the... Oh no, well, no, just on the site itself. Click on about.

13:24 Okay, I lost the damn thing instead of loading it separately. Well, since I've got this thing open, I just want to see what Susan Morgan's message is. Yeah, she's got a message. Here she is. She looks like a Googler. She actually looks like... Well, she's a BT-er. She's a BT-er. You got a picture of her? She looks like Sergey. She does. You know what? She might be. In fact... Yeah, well, Sergey gets a kick out of dressing up. Yeah, it's Sergey in drag. Okay, so Sergey in drag is heading this thing up, as obvious. But they just look at all these people man, these are all elitist corporatists who want to control the internet and that's what this entire discussion is about. It's not about, I mean of course I'm against any United Nations organization running anything for us. Yeah.

14:12 What? My browser locked up. Adobe Acrobat. One or more PDF documents are open inside a web browser. If you exit Acrobat now those documents will be closed. Are you sure you want to exit? And it says exit and cancel. I click, nothing happens. I click, nothing happens. I click the little X in the red box, nothing happens. I click on do not show message again, it doesn't click. Now I'm screwed. I'm sorry. Okay, let me just control alt delete. Will that break our Skype connection? Are you going to go away? No, no, I'm just going to hit the, I'm going to hit the, uh, wait a minute. Oh, it happened. Oh, finally came back. Nevermind. Okay. Good. Okay. About us. Right. Just look at these people. Board of directors. These are the people you need to be afraid of. Don't be afraid of. You've actually gotten quite good at, uh,

15:04 Yeah, finding these obscure websites. I don't know why these people... They just shouldn't put anything online. So you got Steve Crown from Microsoft. I don't know any of these people. No. But you see the three, I mean the people who are running this, Microsoft, Yahoo and Google. Yeah, there's the ICT companies, the independent chairs, German Brooks. Yeah, PricewaterhouseCoopers guy. But then civil society organizations, Human Rights Watch, Center for Democracy and Technology, Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First. And we know, as we've discussed, whenever someone is touting human rights, it's probably being used to shut you up one way or the other.

15:44 Human rights my my butt. Where'd you get it? Where you got the human rights thing? Where this is a board of directors board of directors I'm looking at it says the board is comprised. I don't see anything about human rights on this page scroll down civil ear five Society investors academic academic following members serves an alternative board members NGO alternatives Company alternatives Google Microsoft you have the same people. Yeah academic alternatives and where's human rights and Up at the top there, civil society organizations. Oh, Human Rights Watch, right top guy. Center for Democracies and Technology, Committee to Protect Journalists, Human Rights First. And of course it's all about human rights. Human rights. What does the internet really have to do with human rights? Nothing.

16:36 But they're gonna be using human rights. Why don't they have human rights about Windows 8? It's a new Windows 8 human rights initiative. Does that really exist? No, but it might as well. It might, yeah. So, but what's happening is everyone is focusing now on this ITU and oh it's horrible and in the meantime they're slipping in this global networking initiative and it's going to be run by some corporations instead of what initially was intended to be good was the non-profit ICANN. I have big questions about that as you know and at the end of the day

17:19 You know we're really only talking about who controls the domain name system. I don't really think you know this is my my own theory I don't think anyone can control the network the TCP IP network because if they could we don't we'd already being taxed when you know we'll be no access without paying extra I don't I think that genie's out of the bottle And so what? Go break the domain name system. Something else will be rebuilt in its place. Well, you always go with the direct connections to the IP addresses. Yeah, well... No, of course, that's almost going to be impossible because as of today, VP6 is up and running and it's supposed to be replacing everything. Is that... So who's running it? Who's running IPv6? I'm not running IPv6, am I? Probably. No.

18:09 You might be surprised, almost every router's got it built in. I don't know you have to take a look what your current IP address is but if it's really long and weird which by the way makes it impossible to do direct IP addressing instead you know nowadays you could if you lost your domain name you could put an IP number in there and it's pretty you know what is it well I just did what's my IP address what's my IP dot org and it's just a regular number so it's supposed to be up and running yeah right okay So what do they say? But you understand my point that the issue that I... so the real problem that I have is that the alternative news sources start freaking out about the wrong things and they're being indoctrinated in this case by Google. Google is really not your friend. I'm just not buying that they're our friend, particularly not when someone gets up there and says, I'm the father of the Internet, do what I say. Yeah, well... I think you need to be a little careful about stuff like that.

19:11 It's definitely uh and when the stooge gets up there and says yeah they're gonna break the internet you're gonna break the internet and no one calls them on it excuse me that's kind of bullcrap what you're saying they're breaking the internet well if you break the dns system you've brought for all practical purposes you've broken the internet well I don't think that's on and that's been the fear of icon all along at least they used to brainwash me with lectures about once every couple years they fly me down to San Diego or wherever it was that they have their offices in Southern California somewhere. And then they moan and groan about how the Russians and the South Africans and the Brazilians and all these other douchebags want to, and Saudi Arabia, want to get a hold of the internet so they can screw up the

20:00 screw it up to keep themselves in power so they don't have to deal with it and then they and they and the back story is that they don't know how DNS works they're gonna screw up DNS and break the internet that's yeah that's what they're talking about. Yeah but we could I mean I have no doubt that if the DNS if the domain name system is gets gets broken That something else wouldn't emerge very quickly. We have our own DNS server. I mean, I know all of us are just like, OK, we'll just switch over to this. You know, there will be a start. I mean, it would be a huge problem. We'd have like an audience of 40. Well, that's only 10 less. So it's not it's not a big deal. But, you know, we've got to be careful and you need a diet, a balanced diet of news is what I'm saying.

20:47 And you can't just be looking at these places that are aggregating and saying, oh, they were wrapping it back around to the knowledge and a news network complaint. That's good. It's a ring. It is a ring, but the best one, the best one. And of course, now I'm, I'm really awake. Now I'm really looking out for this Fukushima bull crap that we talked about. So here's the latest. And this, you know, now that I see all of these stories aggregated. US Army General says the whole northern hemisphere is at risk of becoming largely uninhabitable.

21:26 I like that. And this one's propagated far and wide, John. It's all over the place. And everyone's copying basically the same story. And so I'm like, okay, I got to trace this one back. And of course, you know, in this are quotes from that douchebag that we already unmasked. What's his name again? Well, listen, if a story starts off like this, according to a host of scientists, nuclear experts and researchers, we are facing exactly such a scenario. If you read that, stop reading any further. A host of scientists. Dire. Words like this. Chilling. So here it is. According to US Army General, which is actually, he is Major General, Albert N. Stubblebine III, retired.

22:19 The situation is... What does he know about it? Is he part of a committee studying it? Oh, I'm glad you asked. He has a website. And because now I'm tracking these things back. I got to find out where it came from. So, yeah, I'll play you his little clip, which is, it's a video clip and they've edited it where he literally jump edits like boink, boink, boink. But listen to how it starts off. Ladies and gentlemen, be very afraid. We have alternative news for you. Mainstream media is covering this up. Very, very dire situation! Fukushima! Now we see big nuclear clouds on the screen. Listen to him. He's standing in his barn, I think, outside. This is the intro music. Here we go. My name is Major General Albert N. Stubblebutt III. By the way, great name. If you add the third after anything, it's like, oh man, he's been into this for a long time. This is the guy.

23:18 Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III. This guy retired in 1984. I know. He's also known for his interest in parapsychology. I know. Don't blow it. He's a nutball. U.S. Army retired. I'm the president of the Natural Solutions Foundation. Don't go googling yet. I am deeply worried about your health and the health of your family because of the Fukushima disaster. My specialty is intelligence. I warned you of the dangers of the swine flu vaccine and you stayed away and drove. I warned you of the dangers of GMOs, the genetically modified organisms, and now today there is a powerful movement

24:13 To get them out of our food supply. Thank you general, Major General. Retired. And off of this planet. So while this is playing John go to... Well wait a minute I want to throw another little tidbit in here. No no no just go to his website first. Generalbert.com Okay hang on. B-E-R-T Generalbert.com Now I am warning you of the greatest danger to your health and to the health of your family in human history. And the four simple steps that you can take for your family and your health. The situation is frankly quite dire. And that's an underestimate. Fill in your email now so that I can send you my vital and life-saving estimate of the situation. It's free of charge.

25:08 Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You're all gonna die! Listen to me! Okay, so this is the guy that was was the staring at goats guy. Oh really yeah He was a proponent of psychic warfare when he was in there. He's the one this guy He involved in the unit US military project to create a breed of super soldier Have the ability to become invisible and walk through walls Wow stubble buying reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself without success Whoops. So what do we got here? Anyway, so the I'm going through the network today and every single feed that I find that is posted this story is I'm removing because this is this is the stuff you know we've already discussed the actual reports about Fukushima and this guy is still saying Fukushima has already released as much radiation into the atmosphere in Pacific Ocean as Chernobyl the potential for disaster at least 10 times worse

26:17 If there's another earthquake, the cooling structures will collapse! This is not true. And by the way, I lived in Europe when Chernobyl took place. I do not glow in the dark. Really? Well, let me just turn off the light. I thought it had nothing to do with that. But I remember all that. Cloud coming over! Oh, the cloud's over Holland! We're all gonna die! Did not die and please when you want to debunk something through email don't email me a link to Wikipedia Okay, that's not gonna cut it I'm very interested in opinions and experts and people who work in the field Sending me a link to Wikipedia isn't his not proof and if you don't and when we say when we call it the book of knowledge That is meant kind of with a wink just so you know in case you had caught on to the show yet Yeah, well we

27:16 We see the Wikipedia as a bunch of facts that certain people put up, many of them for political reasons. It's not a... especially with stuff that says contemporary, it's not very good to know or very accurate. We did have another one that came up and I think it showed up on the NOAGENDA News Network, which is the Sanjay Gupta... Oh, what was that? About fructose and sugar. I've got a lot of sugar stuff for you today. Did you ever give a clip of him? Yeah, I do have a clip. I have, uh, I, this was a long segment that was on 60 minutes and I only have this part of it, which is the guy he's talking to some guy, some doctors and endocrinologist who's making the claim that sugar is toxic.

28:04 And then I believe that this whole thing was done to, uh, was done to, uh, kind of soften the high fructose corn syrup argument because the guy claims, even though, you know, this is like, he makes the claim that sucrose or sugar table sugar is exactly the same as fructose because sucrose is actually two molecules jammed together fructose and glucose and it forms sucrose and it's a it you know has it has its own characteristics

28:40 and it's not fructose, not free fructose. But they make this claim just to get us back on the bandwagon. Oh, HFSC, well, here's what happens. They start off saying it's toxic, toxic, toxic. The guy's obviously crazy. And the only thing you come away, you walk away from this whole debate is, well, The guy's probably nuts and also high fructose corn syrup is the same as sugar, which is bull crap. Play this clip and you'll see what I'm talking about. Oh wait, wait. And also, to make it even more interesting, they drop a Lady Gaga meme into it to kind of really boggle your mind. Bread, even peanut butter. And what about the man-made, often vilified sweetener, high fructose corn syrup?

29:24 Is it worse than just table sugar? No, because it's the exact same. They are basically equivalent. Problem is, they're both bad. They're both equally. Since the 1970s, sugar consumption has gone down nearly 40%. But high fructose corn syrup has more than made up the difference. Dr. Lustig says they are both toxic because they both contain fructose. That's what makes them sweet and irresistible. We love it. we go out of our way to find it. And I think one of the reasons, evolutionarily, is because there is no foodstuff on the planet that has fructose that is poisonous to you. It is all good. So when you taste something that's sweet, it's an evolutionary Darwinian signal that this is a safe food. We were born this way. We were born this way.

30:24 Well, you know, NBC was on this bandwagon, but they took a different track. They say, sugar is as bad as tobacco. This is an attempt to tackle this epidemic. And this by the way is Mayor Michael Bloomberg outlawing the sale of 16 ounce drinks in restaurants and theaters. We've talked about Nancy of obesity in this country. Is this the way to go about it? A very famous doctor, Dr. David Lustig at UC San Francisco. He's so famous. That's the same guy that was on 60 Minutes. Yeah, exactly. He's very famous. Yeah, he was born that way.

31:03 Sugar is toxic. It should be regulated like tobacco. It's rewiring the brain. It is not necessary for anything in the human diet. I think it's a very bold, big move and I have no problem with it. Donnie, we want local government telling us what we can and can't consume. Is that, are you comfortable with that? You know what? We complain that our politicians don't take stands and aren't courageous. God bless this guy. You know, this is the answer. God bless Michael Bloomberg for telling us to sit down and shut up. This is no different than tobacco. We solve obesity, we solve the health care problem. We gotta do something. So of course, every time you make a revolutionary move, there's gonna be some complaints. Are they stepping over the boundaries? I applaud them. I applaud them. Get rid of biscuits while you're at it. So there's a, if anyone can get a copy of the Saturday New York Times, there's a collector's page in there. The Saturday New York Times has got a picture, a full page ad with Bloomberg dressed up as an old Jewish woman.

31:58 making this claim that you know they just it was an attack ad against Bloomberg I guess obviously from the beverage industry and it's quite collectible very funny. Let me play a couple of clips from an interview of Bloomberg and just to give you an idea now you know this started of course with smoking and he's also gonna make the the tobacco correlation where smoking is effectively banned in New York City. I can tell you what's going to come next, by the way, that's an obvious one. But first let's listen to him. Wait, before you, when you make your prediction, is it going to have anything to do with the fact that none of these companies or the people involved actually helped him get re-elected and he had to go to his own bank account to get his mayorial job and this is all payback? Is that possible?

31:03 Sugar is toxic. It should be regulated like tobacco. It's rewiring the brain. It is not necessary for anything in the human diet. I think it's a very bold, big move and I have no problem with it. Donnie, we want local government telling us what we can and can't consume. Is that, are you comfortable with that? You know what? We complain that our politicians don't take stands and aren't courageous. God bless this guy. You know, this is the answer. God bless Michael Bloomberg for telling us to sit down and shut up. This is no different than tobacco. We solve obesity, we solve the health care problem. We gotta do something. So of course, every time you make a revolutionary move, there's gonna be some complaints. Are they stepping over the boundaries? I applaud them. I applaud them. Get rid of biscuits while you're at it. So there's a, if anyone can get a copy of the Saturday New York Times, there's a collector's page in there. The Saturday New York Times has got a picture, a full page ad with Bloomberg dressed up as an old Jewish woman.

31:58 making this claim that you know they just it was an attack ad against Bloomberg I guess obviously from the beverage industry and it's quite collectible very funny. Let me play a couple of clips from an interview of Bloomberg and just to give you an idea now you know this started of course with smoking and he's also gonna make the the tobacco correlation where smoking is effectively banned in New York City. I can tell you what's going to come next, by the way, that's an obvious one. But first let's listen to him. Wait, before you, when you make your prediction, is it going to have anything to do with the fact that none of these companies or the people involved actually helped him get re-elected and he had to go to his own bank account to get his mayorial job and this is all payback? Is that possible?

32:45 It could be possible. I think if anything he's trying to help out the movie industry by making people buy more than one drink. But listen to the first clip here. This is the shut up slave moment from Michael Bloomberg. Well, the way it would work is simply those organizations, those industries that we regulate, which are restaurants and movie theaters and carts, They would, they can still sell 32 ounces of a sugar drink to you, but they'd have to put it in two containers. And the idea here is you... Now notice he's saying sugar drink. He's not saying high fructose corn syrup. He says sugar drink and he expands on that later. ...eat all the food in the container in front of you. If it's a bigger container, you'll eat more. If somebody put a smaller glass or plate or bowl in front of you, you would eat less.

33:33 And at this point, there's an epidemic in this country of people being overweight, bordering on obesity. The number of percentage of the population that's obese is skyrocketing. In New York City alone, the number of deaths from smoking has declined so much and the number of deaths from obesity has gone up so much. Those two are about to cross. Yeah, and I don't find that crazy by the way, because ex-smokers tend to grab on to something. Caffeine and sugary drinks is a great surrogate for smoking, so that doesn't surprise me. I have more deaths from obesity than from smoking.

34:08 We've got to do something about it. Everybody's wringing their hands saying got to do something. Well, here is a concrete thing You can still buy large bottles in stores. You can still still because that's gonna be next but still but in a restaurant 16 ounces is the maximum that they would be able to serve in one cup if you want to order two cups at the same time That's fine. It's your choice Go ahead, order two, it's more expensive. We're not taking away anybody's right to do things, we're simply forcing you to understand that you have to make the conscious decision to- We're simply forcing you to make you understand. Yeah, this guy should be in Berkeley. Now listen to this one, because he's- I don't know if you heard it, he said, you know, people will eat whatever's in front of them.

34:54 Well, he has science to back that up, John. Actual, uh... Science! Listen to this. And in schools, are these now banned from schools? I don't know if... I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. It's this one. In this case, it's really the public. There was a great study done that people sitting in front of a bowl of soup, and as they were eating the soup, unbeknownst to them, there was a pipe coming into the bowl from underneath. And so as they ate, the bowl kept getting refilled. And they just kept eating. And we all do that. That's just the way people work. Yeah, you're stupid. You see, stupid people. It's just the way it works. You're a stupid idiot. You just eat like a hog. This guy is an elitist prick, dude. Total elitist prick. Bloomberg? You're kidding me. Is this a new observation? Okay, so here's the...

35:44 Here's what I found into here's the meme he's introducing and as it goes on to schools listen to this this mean that he just keeps coming back to which we need to look out for which is interesting and in schools Are these now banned from schools? We have a lot of cities around the country have no longer sell full sugar drinks in schools you we sell only diet drinks Oh aspartame good Full sugar, but what is this full sugar listen kids do tend to drink an inordinate disproportionate amount of Full sugar drinks for the average kid. I think it's something like three full sugar drinks at 12 ounces that you could not take that amount of sugar and put it in a tea and get it to dissolve much less drink it oh really this amount of sugar and I will really

36:33 He's done some experiments. Full sugar drinks. It's not. It's high fructose corn syrup. Coca-Cola is not sold in most places, certainly not in New York City, with sugar. So when you say full sugar drink, I think that's the code we've got to be on the lookout for. What do you think it might be a code for though? To try to ram this idea that sugar and high fructose corn syrup is the same. And by the way, the obesity thing, sugar has been around for a long time. downing it since the, you know, the forever. And, and the obesity plague only if you look at the curve, cause there's all these curves you showed, his sugar consumption is going down like they said, and high fructose corn syrup consumption is going up. And that curve of the, of the high fructose corn syrup going up is exactly the same as the curve for obesity. And by the way, he says that obesity kills more than tobacco. How does obesity, how do people die from obesity? They die from some complication.

37:28 They don't die from obesity per se, and there's plenty of big fat people that are like 90 years old. Yeah, name two. Well, I mean, there's plenty. Nah, the guy is a shill. And I think he's basically shilling for anyone who will pay him to say anything. But this full sugar drinks thing, that is clearly equating high fructose corn syrup with sugar. Full sugar drink. It's not sugar, Mike. How about this for a new strategy? We're in a meeting, we're having our little relations meeting about

38:04 So, Adam, you know, we don't do this high fructose corn thing is driving everyone crazy. We got to get... We're obviously not making the connection where everyone realizes that is what we want them to realize, which is corn, sugar, sugar. It's pretty much the same. Hold on a second, John. If you got an idea, should I call Mike? I got an idea. It goes like this. We're gonna dissociate the two. So you have full sugar and that's bad. High fructose corn syrup is not sugar. They say that. They want to stay... well, let's use sugar. So that's not full sugar. There's no sugar in it. What a great idea. John, you're a genius. So we don't want full sugar drinks. We don't want sugar. Sugar is like tobacco. It'll kill you. We want high fructose corn syrup. You, sir, are going to be a billionaire. How's that for a possibility? I think it's... I'm buying it. I like it.

38:57 He had an interesting flub too, which I thought was kind of cool. Just to make the point, this is 12 ounces of Pepsi. This is 20 ounces and this is what would no longer be possible to be sold. No, no, you can still buy it in the store. Absolutely nobody's taking it. You just, when you order a drink in a restaurant, or in a movie theater, they would have to give you no bigger than a 16 ounce cup. If you want to have multiple ones, that's up to you. We're not taking away anybody's right to do anything. All we're trying to do is to remind you that this is something that could be, should be, is, not should be, is detrimental to your health. It should be. Oops. It should be. I mean, it should be detrimental to your health. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that.

39:45 I like your theory. I really like that and it fits in with what you had from Gupta and from the NBC panel led by Matt Lauer. It's like tobacco. It's gonna kill you. We don't need it. Sugar bad, bad, bad, bad. Science will help you. And by the way, you're so stupid, you stupid slaves, that if we put a bowl of soup in front of you and we have a tube there and we keep feeding it, you'll eat. You'll eat until you die. You're so stupid. I'm reminded of the Irish joke. What's the Irish joke? Irishman finds a bottle, rubs it, a genie comes out. Hello!

40:26 Oh, you're doing me. Genie says, uh, wishes. You've just released me from the bottle. You've got three wishes. And the Irishman says, well, that's great. And the genius is what wish number one would you like? And the Irishman said, well, you know, it's a, it's, it's hot. I've been working all day. I could go for a Guinness. And the genie says, I'll go. You're one better have this Guinness. And he puts a Guinness boom shows up. The Irishman drinks it, puts it down. It fills itself back up. Huh. Irishman goes, wow. He drinks it, puts it down, it fills itself back up. And the genie says, what would you like for your other two wishes? And the Irishman says, I'll have two more of these. No offense to the Irish who I think are actually pretty cool.

41:08 Well, there's a lot of news, financial news that is coming out of Ireland and elsewhere, especially the EU, and it doesn't look good. I think we should take a break and thank our two executive producers before we... Yes, it's... we've clearly... June gloom is upon us. And I can't... Nobody listens to the show on Sunday, which is going to be a problem. I can't handle the seesaw. You know, it's like we get great on Thursday and then it's like a gut punch on Sunday. If we could just even it out a little. Yeah! It's like, you know, like a donkey punch almost. Donkey punch? Do you know what a donkey punch is? I don't even know what that is. Google... mmm... John. Just Google donkey punch, my friend. Okay, okay, donkey punch.

42:02 The chat room's going like, oh, geez. Sexual practice known as the during donkey style sex, especially anal. Reported practice involves a da da da. Punching the part of the back of the head. Oh, please. That's exactly how I feel. I got dung donkey punched. Can't believe you and Mimi haven't tried that one out. So anyway, let's thank our two executive producers before we get, we start losing listeners. beginning with our we have two we have one executive producer one associate executive Jean-Colé pain pine I think what do you think he's a s and is s and where Deutschland that's Deutschland S in Deutschland young call your pain young call your pain is what I would say yeah yeah with a Dutch accent okay he's drunk so I have to read it as yes

43:03 It's $517. Wait, wait, you have to do a drunk German accent now. It's a little harder. Well, no. Donating completely drunk, which should be a prerequisite. I welcome my new human resource, Elisa. Elisa. In Germany, in Joy-many. We have a tradition. I have to do Joy-many. Germany. Germany. In Germany, we have a tradition to get completely drunk to help the baby pee. Guess I succeeded. Just want to tell... the chance to tell you, you rock! And keep me insane. At least while I'm sober. Just hope my daughter keeps the same direction. Maybe without the help of the alcohol. The donation reflects your birthday, May 17th. P.S. Please give my sweet daughter a clippity-clop karma so she can get behind this crap soon.

43:59 It's Clippity Clop The message is clear Just Clippity Clop You've got karma Nice! Clippity Clop jingle with the uh... With the coconuts, nice. Well he deserves that for a 517 donation. No one by the way picked up on the lucky palindrome 414. 414, it's weird. Yeah. You'd think, our audience. But There you go. There you go. Vaginelle in Chicago, Illinois, $250.07. That's it. No notice that pronounced Vaginelle. So we thank him. It's actually a male. I'm not sure what the deal is. I like the Vaginelle moniker. I like that. I think that's good. Sounds like a product. Yeah, that's why I like it.

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45:34 Two PR initiatives I do. Well, actually, just want to give a shout out to Miz's Gitmo Slave. Gitmo Slave is, he and Mr. Oil run our infrastructure. And Sir Gitmo Slave is always there every show day, no matter what, even on his daughter's birthday, like on Thursday, to make sure that we get on the stream. She's recovering from some surgery, so a shout out to her. And Kiwi Chris sent me a beautiful email With some pictures. Now I'm not posting the pictures, I don't know if anyone wants to know what Kiwi Chris looks like, if he wants to know what everyone, that everyone knows what he looks like. But he's a cyclist. And he has made this custom cycling outfit. Now you know these are the, this is what Lance Armstrong would wear. And it's actually, it's really cool looking. And you can order them online, through a company called Eclipse Cycling dot com.

46:30 And I've put the link in the show notes, 414.nashownotes.com. I don't think we get any bennies from it, but he says it's a great way to propagate the formula. He just basically uploaded these designs and now you can buy the gears, you know those skin-tight kind of outfits? And that's what I wear. Yeah. It got no agenda, no agenda on his butt. So that's when you're hunched over cycling on your 10 speed. Everyone's like looking at no agenda when they see your ass. But it's kind of cool. I think it's a good promotion. All these guys are filled with the with stickers and promotion and stuff.

47:09 This looks really, really good. So if you're, you know, this is all part I guess of our no agenda racing team initiative. So we have motorcycles, we have, we don't have it confirmed yet, but I think we have someone in the Mustang class, which will have a car and now we have bicycles. So this is good. We need a boat and we need one of those Red Bull planes. And then I think we're set. Anyway, just another way you can go out and do something extremely important. You all can always try to propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Come on, Kennies, you know you want to say it. Shut up, slowly. And you know, people can go to Dvorak.org slash banners.

48:03 And pick up like one of any number of banners and put it on your blog or put it on somebody else's blog or yeah, put it on a hat. Or you can also by the way repost our show. I wish people would do more of that. Well, you know, Arsonomics does a lot on YouTube. I like what he does. He'll clip something he likes from the show and then he'll do a screencast You can look him up on YouTube, Arsonomics, good guy. And John, lest I forget, happy LGBT Pride Month! I didn't know it was LGBT. What about LGBTQI? Or whatever it is. T. Therefore, I, Barack Obama, President of the United States, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2012 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.

48:59 I'm glad they have a month instead of a week. So I wanted to talk about I was at the office. The office of Mevios, yes. And the Bravo people are doing a... Ah, you're finally on Bridezilla's. Almost. So the Bravo people are there doing a reality show with Sarah Austin as one of the players. What's the show? I don't know, it's called the Silicon Valley Titans or something stupid. That's Bravo? I thought that was like a CNN series. No, this is the Bravo one. You can look it up. Let me find it. You tell the story, I'll look it up.

49:44 It's so anyway, so they're gonna they're shooting this and they've and she's in there doing stuff So I got to and I got in one of the acts I got in one of the bits at the sign off on it What did you have that did you have to learn a script for this reality? No, no, no, they don't do it. These things are non scripted I mean, that's the way they work But what they do is they have you do stuff over and over and then they film is What I thought was interesting is that film crew is huge. I There were like at any given time there's three people with cameras roaming around shooting everything they can and then there's another two or three This is Randy Zuckerberg's Yeah, right. I'm Berg's the one Zuckerberg's daughter sister sister. Yeah The money yeah, she has a bunch of stock so she's probably a billionaire anyway

50:32 So they, but I was interested in the process and so they have lots of cameras and then they have this one guy who's just the sound guy who hides microphones on people and around and you will never see these mics. The guy's really good at it. So the mics are all hidden on everyone. You got a mic? I'm sorry? Did you get a mic? I was miked. I didn't get to take a mic home. Don't mean that. Were you miked? Yeah. Yeah, I was my did you take it home? I? Snuck out as soon as you're done with your bit the guy runs right over and grabs the mic as I think people try to sneak out of course there's so many of them he's got this big it's real interesting because the guy's got a big like a Backpack size thing in his front of him. Yeah, he's mixer. Oh

51:19 With a huge mixer, huge. With things sticking in and wires like about 20 antennas and it's just this... The guy, I'm surprised he doesn't fall over because of this thing. Then he's over... Oh, sorry. He's adjusting stuff. The director has got... This whole thing is a wireless operation. All the cameras are hooked to... They're all filming at the same time for all... It's all posted. So it's all being recorded. But they're also wirelessly going into a monitor that the director has and it's a portable handheld, looks like an iPad. He's making a rough cut right there as you're going. Right. And he's got a little microphone right above the corner of his mouth.

51:59 quarter inch from his mouth that he whispers into. Move camera five over to signal and move camera two. Move over now, get that shot of that guy over there. And so you can't really hear him, you'd have to go right, stand right next to him to hear his direction, but he's directing the traffic. And then there's one another guy with a big boom mic with the overhead thing because not everyone's mic'd. And somebody will jump in out of the blue and this guy's got to run over there with the boom mic and hang it on the person. It was actually kind of interesting to watch. It was very slick. Now, did you propagate the formula? I had my no agenda hoodie on. I said no agenda in the front. Don't you understand? Here's what happened. Hold on a second. Do you ever watch these shows? They blur that out, man. No, the guy came up and asked about it. And I said, no, I own this. This is mine. It's a public domain. You don't have to blur it out. It's not anything. Oh, we'll see. I'll bet you 10 shekels.

52:57 Well, if I don't end up on the cutting edge floor. They blur out pictures on the wall. They blur out everything. Yeah, they blur out. Well, if they blur it out, they blur it out. So anyway, but I did my best because I wasn't even going to go into the office and somebody said, oh, they're shooting. I said, so I grabbed a No Agenda shirt and ran in there and then threw myself into one of the bits. You're such a hero. Because I am. I threw myself into one of the bits because I was watching it and I said, these guys, none of this is going to get on the air. These guys suck. They suck we the people in our group suck. Yeah Listen, I got the trailer here from Bravo for this fantastic show called Silicon Valley Let's see if we get it without him. I'm sorry. We had to get a commercial first Yeah, the internet is doomed and it's not it's not Vint Cerf. It's the commercials. That's what's dooming the internet Adobe flash Adobe flash is killing me. Yeah So it's called Silicon Valley

53:56 Who they have on here anybody interesting it's Never heard of any of them. No Randy Zuckerberg is the biggest name on it only because Randy's suck just call it Randy's suck Okay, I'm a Randy's New series the only city I was living. These seven chic women are taking on the New York City art world. What is the, oh this is all their new shows. Yeah you might just kill it. Yeah. I think we've said enough. But it's, apparently there's another crew in town at the cheese place at the ferry building and they took up, they bought a big giant thing of cheese, you know one of those giant wheels and they use it as a gimmick to roll it down the street

54:51 which apparently irked everybody because it's just a waste of good cheese and I don't know what they're up to. They rolled cheese down the street? Yeah. Hey man, I got a great idea for a new show. Yeah, yeah, I think most of this stuff doesn't get on the air. Well anyway, it's sad. And I didn't get paid so I wasn't gonna go back. No, well that's the beauty of these shows, you don't get paid. Yeah. That's the beauty of it. Well, great, John. So we're going to see like you walking in the background. The guy with the huge unit will have you potted down and you'll be wearing a blurred shirt. And the voiceover will be... Here's the voiceover. What's the girl's name? Sarah Austin. Sarah Austin. For some reason, Sarah Austin's grandfather showed up walking around aimlessly. He has Alzheimer's. Pay no attention to him.

55:48 You watch they'll make total fun of you. That's what these shows do. Yeah, well I just got this shirt on I'm going for it. Sarah Austin's grandfather. Now you're amusing yourself. I am. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't help it. Hey, okay now let's get to something serious here. I am... Like the collapse of Europe? Yeah, go ahead hit me with the collapse of Europe. Well there was a Wait, well hold on a second. We can we if we're gonna do the actual collapse of Europe then let's do it properly proper. So there was so Paul Krugman's on the road he was on PBS. Paul Krugman the Nobel. He flew himself to London to do Newsnight. This is the Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. Yeah who we have we think is sketchy but he definitely has nothing good to say about what's happening and there's a couple of I got some clips of some of them are a little long but play that

56:56 They're all bad news. He's promoting his book of course, which is, what's the name of it? Curiously they never mentioned the book on Tuesday. He's dumb is what he is then. He's on a book tour. That's why he's over there. He's promoting his book. He got screwed. Play Krugman on Greece and we'll get... This is just the beginning of the gloom and doom. Oh, I'm sorry. I had the wrong one queued up. Krugman on Greece. Here we go. It's going to be awful. If Greece exits, it's going to be awful, at least in the short run. The trouble is that the situation for Greece is hopeless, and I mean that in a quite literal sense. Under the euro, there is nothing on the horizon to suggest any recovery ever.

57:36 We're looking at extremely high unemployment, extremely being shut out of the capital markets as far as the eye can see. And while an exit would be terrible, there would be, you can see how a recovery could happen afterwards. And I understand that nobody wants to bite that bullet. Nobody wants to take that decision, which is why I think it's actually the decision will be taken out of the hands of the politicians. It will simply happen. Yeah. End this depression now is his book. Yeah, well this is what his pitches so he so here he is what is that I didn't understand the pitch What is he actually saying he's saying that there's he's saying well he but he's actually Saying what Farage is saying which is they should just kill this thing kill this thing while they can it's dead already Okay, he basically wants to kill the the whole EU, but he doesn't come out and exactly say that but if you play the

58:32 play Krugman on Newsnight and that you get a better feeling for where this is headed? The way I think about Spain is that for 10 years they were seen as the golden boy of Europe, wonderful place, now it's safe because it's part of the Eurozone, money flooded in. a lot of it German Landesbank and lending to Spanish Cajas which made loans to fuel the huge housing bubble, a lot of inflation, they get uncompetitive, then the bubble bursts and now how do they get back to being competitive again? The current strategy is that they should cut their wages and somehow do enough austerity to pay that debt and it's impossible.

59:11 The demands being placed on Spain are impossible. If Greece exits, then everybody says it's impossible. Money starts flooding out of Spain and then Europe has a choice. So what's the... and the choice is? Well, the choice, I think actually Ken and I seem to agree. First of all, the credit has to be made available. There has to be completely open-ended lending so that as people pull their euros out of the Spanish banks, the banks don't collapse. So there has to be a basically unlimited supply of euros from Frankfurt. So there's more debt? Well, yes, but it's going to be debt of the banks to the European Central Bank, but that's temporary, we hope, because if the panic stops and the money comes back. But you also have to have some inflation in Europe so that instead of Spain having to cut its wages,

59:53 It's not solely through cuts in Spanish wages, instead we're going to have rising German wages, which is a much easier way for Spain to become competitive. But all of this means a tremendous change in the German vision of what their policy is going to look like. It's going to be, instead of punishing the debtors and having price stability, they have to have something that is much more liberal in the way they have to have a party. We've been saying this stuff for five years, where can I pick up my Nobel Peace Prize? I know we have. So it's very much. Yeah, but the German that's funny that I was watching this stuff and I'm just kind of shaking my head because I know that you know Merkel's not gonna do the cheap Germans, you know. Well, they started this whole thing. They're just a bunch of cheap tightwads. They're not going to do this. They have the opportunity to take over the whole place and they just won't do it. We say this week after week, but now it's getting to the point according to, if you play all these clips, we're not going to do that.

1:00:53 But Krugman actually says at one point, we got a matter of weeks to take care of this problem because what's going to happen is that he says there's three trillion dollars in foreign money in the Spanish and Italian banks that they'll just, that money's just going to get pulled out immediately, especially once Greek defaults. The Greeks default. Yeah. Yeah, so it's gonna go into a just a because the Germans were they'll just gonna they'll pull back and just say well hell with it Maybe we can buy cheaper down the road here as these company as these countries just collapse. Well, I Just find it all incredibly entertaining to watch. Well, I really do It's it is very entertaining and and and what do they expect? It was actually someone sent me an article. Do you remember pin for tone? Oh

1:01:43 Yeah, Professor Pim, who would have become the Prime Minister of the Netherlands had he not been assassinated two weeks before the election. His party won posthumously. Of course, that was a disaster, but his party won nonetheless. And the country was really behind this guy. And it was an article he published in 1996 in Elsevier's magazine. He was a columnist for Elsevier's. And he literally, and it's a Dutch article, someone sent me a scan of it. He literally said, you know, here's what's going to happen. We're going to get all this money. You know, the bubble's going to burst and then there'll be no way to

1:02:25 You know to get out of it because they'll be able to Inflate their currency. It's gonna be a disaster. The technocrats will take over and the whole thing's gonna come crashing down and whoops In hindsight, he was pretty right, you know, he's only he's known as the Dutch Le Pen and all this stuff But he called it exactly which makes me want to be a little cautious about what we call exactly You got a couple bullets to his head. Yeah. Well, he had a different profile that we do and We talk about flying saucers. More of that. Let me put that on the list. We need to have more flying saucers. Yes, indeed. If you want to play one more clip, Krugman 2, the euro has had it, I think summarizes what we've been saying, but I think now that we have our guy, our New York Times guy confirming it, along with a Harvard economist who is also on this show.

1:03:26 It's also about not wanting to have an open wallet, an open bar for the rest of Europe in perpetuity. They'd like to have some rules, they'd like to have some order. I'm not saying what they're proposing is necessarily nearly the end of things. I really think that the only way this is going to end is either Europe starts to look like a real country, and I mean France and Germany, part of the same country with a central government, with a lot of taxing power, or it splits up. And unless they start moving that way enthusiastically soon, I don't think anything's going to stabilize the situation. Well, I hope Ken's wrong about that because if that's the case then it's over.

1:04:09 This could happen, but only very slowly. I've actually done some numbers. I've actually done Ireland versus Nevada, which look, not the landscape, but everything else looks remarkably similar. And because of the way the U.S. fiscal system works, Nevada is receiving what amounts to de facto aid on the scale of 5 or 6% of GDP from Washington. Try to imagine that Europe, that Germany would be willing to countenance a system where 5-6% of GDP, not in loans but in actual aid, is given to southern European countries at this point. It's just not conceivable. So that's going to be, that's a generation's work and we don't have a generation, we may not even have more than a few months here. Well by that analysis the Euros had it.

1:04:53 I like Paxman. By that analysis, the Euro's had it then, is that what you're saying, Mr. Krugman, Nobel Prize winner? The Euro's had it. The Euro has had it. Oh, that's very good. Well, that's nothing news to us. But it will be very interesting to see. And the debate continues there. I follow Gitmo Nation Lowlands because I speak of the language. And in general the slaves are just like, whatever. Got a new reality show, so all's good. Everything's groovy. They do their best. At some point, but they're showing a lot of clips from on some of these

1:05:35 outside the US news shows where there are just people rioting all over the place. In fact, even over in Chicago where we had large groups of protesters, the Iraqi veterans against the war. You didn't see any of that? We saw it on Democracy Now!, which nobody watches. But it's really, they're doing a great job of keeping the public at bay. The Vietnam vets were throwing their medals on the ground. Yeah, I have a clip of that. That was hardcore, man. And it went on for a long time, but it is mostly Iraq and Afghanistan veterans.

1:06:11 And there's two things that came up. One of them is the crazy global war on terrorism medal, which I didn't even know existed. But apparently everybody gets one. As soon as you join up, you get a medal. It's like a challenge coin. Which is terrible. But play this one clip. There were about 40 people that came up to the microphone and said, this sucks, I'm throwing my medals away. And then they threw their medals down the street. I don't know what happened to them, but whatever the case, I have a couple here on the deserter clip because one of these women come up, she says she's a deserter. And then she says there's 40,000 of us. And I'm wondering,

1:06:49 I thought they would arrest you if you were a deserter and you're a... I'm here to return my medals. NATO, the USA government and Israel need to be held accountable for the war crimes, genocide, torture and drone attacks. I'm returning my medals. Take a hit. My name is Steven Lunn. I'm a two-time Iraq combat veteran. This medal I'm dedicating to the children of Iraq that no longer have fathers and mothers. I was a nuclear biological chemical specialist for a war that didn't have any weapons of mass destruction. That gave me goosebumps right there. So I deserted. I'm one of 40,000 people that left the United States Armed Forces because this is a lie.

1:07:44 My name is Steve Ashton. I'm from Campbellsport, Wisconsin. I was a forward observer in the United States Army for just under five years. That's uh, that's hardcore man. This goes on. Yeah of course it does. Of course it, you know speaking of medals, this was really really weird what happened. This was on the West Wing Week. That's President Obama's reality show. The guy there, you should see his audio unit. It's huge, his unit. It's just a big ass unit. And so this happens on the same day. First he's at the Vietnam War Memorial and it's like he's campaigning.

1:08:25 And he's like welcome home welcome home welcome home. Thank you like you know what? And then it goes straight into his Freedom medal ceremony and one of the recipients was very confusing to me Welcome home welcome home welcome home welcome home. Thank you. Thank you. I'll be here all day On Tuesday, the President awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to 13 individuals who are deserving of our nation's highest civilian honor.

1:09:09 Song of Solomon when I was a kid and not just trying to figure out how to write but also how to be and how to think. In college listening to Bob Dylan, my world opening up. Everybody on this stage. I mean how can you literally in the same week if not the same day be there saying you know you're all heroes of the Vietnam War and then give Bob Dylan a medal? Did you listen to the lyrics? The guy was anti-Vietnam. He was anti-Vietnam. Yeah, he was a total anti-war singer and it probably still is. In fact, he still is. But the thing that I got out of this medal ceremony is that Bob Dylan and some poet, I believe, got all the attention. But then if you look at the other people who actually got this thing, including Madeline Albright. The shill of all shills.

1:10:03 With Albright Consultants. One of the worst that she gets a medal for what? For killing people, for consulting on how to kill people. That's what she does. She has a whole consultancy. She consults with Lucifer. And then Shimon Peres? President of Israel? What is he getting this medal for? This is for Americans, isn't it? It's summer months, John. People, you know, they got nothing to do. It's like, wow, what are we going to do? I know. Let's do some medals. Yeah, it's always cool. I had a couple posthumous medals. The guys are dead so they gave him a medal. William Fogg, I guess it's Fogg, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who helped lead the

1:10:46 The effort to eradicate smallpox, okay, well, John Doar who handled civil rights cases as assistant attorney general in the 60s, what's he getting a medal for? He's just doing his job. John Paul Stevens, former Supreme Court justice, what's he getting a medal for? It's just to placate you, I guess. It's like if you get a medal, then you can't be a douchebag anymore. That's why they should be giving us a medal. Congressionals a medal yeah Hey, John, why don't we take a little? And now back to real news I have inside news from Hollywood I thought I'd share with you I still remember the Hollywood wackers theme that we used to have well We haven't had a whack so you've been probably reading about this John Travolta stuff. Oh

1:11:39 Not really, but I know about it. Yeah, you know about it. That's what I mean. But I haven't been aggressively reading it. No, of course not. So for those of you who haven't heard this on the actual news stations, there's now three or four different people have come out and said that men say that John Travolta has sexually assaulted them. And I was speaking to, I have a few Hollywood connections left, spoke with him the other day. He said, you spoke with John Travolta? No, with my Hollywood connection. Oh, okay. He's a talent manager and several of his clients are in the church of Scientology. And you'll recall that I met the former top PR people from the church of Scientology who are for all intents and purposes hiding out in Austin.

1:12:29 And so I said, what is going on? He says, well, it's well known that John Travolta likes dark skinned men, you know, brown skin. And I don't think this is a big secret, but it's, you know, it's what it is. And so he's celebrating. A Cuban would be ideal. Yeah, Cuban. So when he says, let's go get a Cuban, he's not talking about a cigar. But he does mean smoking. But yeah, so, or if you just have a really good tan. Either way, it's dark skin men that John Travolta likes. It's fine, whatever. Whatever he does in his bedroom, his business. Or in his cockpit. But he apparently wants to leave the Church of Scientology.

1:13:17 And this and this is how Hollywood works and and what is happening now is they have the goods on him They have because you know your initiation into Hollywood always happens at some crazy party We have the lesbian order of the Illuminati where you know Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears and all these chickies and they all have to do some crazy-ass stuff and they take pictures and they record it and so there's evidence it so they can blackmail you and ruin quote-unquote ruin your career and So he apparently wants to leave the Church of Scientology and they're saying, oh really? You can't leave. And so this is just their opening salvos of the real stuff that they have. And they're doing this to persuade him not to leave. That's the inside track that I have. Oh, okay. Well, that's kind of interesting. I just thought I'd lay that out on you. It's entertaining. Meanwhile, I was outraged.

1:14:11 And we have to analyze this. On Thursday, the New York Times, the paper of record, the Ministry of Truth, told us how the president is deeply involved with the drone program. He's got his baseball cards there. He's selecting who can die, who can't die. He's got his kill list. Now, two days later, we find out that he is waging cyber warfare. With this program uniquely called Olympic Games, which I'm sure there's a code there, more reason not to buy a ticket because you know if you want retaliation for the Olympic Games cyber warfare, which was Stuxnet,

1:14:52 The New York Times not being refuted, so let's just say it's true, the New York Times is saying that the president continued on a program that was started by George W. Bush and expanded the use of a cyber worm, of a virus, to wreck the creation of nuclear energy in the country of Iran. And I'm outraged that this act of war is being Carried out by the chief executive without any executive order without Kong Its own executive order but without Congress Saying go ahead and wage warfare And if you look at the NDAA if someone does that against us we have now agreed by law to

1:15:43 that if a country wages cyber warfare on us, we can go and kill them and drop bombs and drone them, whatever we feel is necessary. So it's a real act of war. And there's no outrage. There's none. But I did figure out why the news... It's pretty funny to watch this lack of... He's calling the shots on assassinations, which is ludicrous if you think about it. What else has he got to do? He's watching basketball. He's definitely watching the NBA finals. and in between he's going through these cars while watching somebody dunk the ball. Hey, she's kind of cute. Let's not drone her. He's saying, you know, yeah, she's a little young. Leave her alone, but we'll keep her in the deck. And then he throws a car at him. For a rainy day. Let's go after this guy. Yeah, for a rainy day. And he pumps his fist in the air because he saw another slam dunk by, you know, somebody.

1:16:31 Well, so it's just a weird well, I figured it out and I figured out what they're trying to do now I understand and I heard the two NBC NBC shills and be shills and the NBC shills Chuck Gregory and the other chip chip chip Gregory and the other Chuck what's-his-face from MSNBC I guess or see whatever and And they have a discussion, a minute long discussion, like, oh, of course. And they actually lay it out for me so I understand why this is happening. This is all part of the scam pain. And the American human resources are so dumb that we're buying into it. Check it. To create and plant computer bugs into systems running Iran's nuclear facilities. David Gregory is moderator of NBC's Meet the President. David, I want to start with this because

1:17:16 In many ways, it's a huge story and on any other day we'd be talking about this. On any other day we'd be talking about it, but of course we just kind of slip this in. The US government essentially acknowledging that it is at war, but in cyberspace with Iran. Well, it's a huge story and it's a huge issue. You know, there have been warnings about this now for years, about not only our vulnerability to cyber attack as a new front in the war on terror, but also what the United States and its allies have been doing to target Iran's nuclear program, which have less to do with diplomacy and any kind of armed conflict, and a lot more to do with what can be done via computer viruses to attack Iran, and apparently successfully over the past several years to at least slow the growth of a program. You know what's interesting about the program is that it's one of the two main programs that President Obama is continuing from the Bush administration, a very aggressive decision to make on that front along with drones,

1:18:16 Which made this Mitt Romney comment last night on CBS all the more striking when he was asked to grade the president's foreign policy record Here's what he said What grade would you give President Obama? Oh an F. Yeah, so that's what that's why they're doing it. Oh how nice how cute I see what they're saying I get what they're after they're through proxy they're giving George Bush an F Yeah, and and and so like so what yeah, it was just hasn't been around forever Well, basically so Romney you're an idiot because you're giving Bush an F because it was Bush's program Yeah, but in the meantime nice try in the meantime. This is a complete and utter outrage and if you accept that

1:19:00 Because the president, and by the way, Richard Stallman of all people, Richard Stallman, the guy for open networks and for free software, he's saying, oh this is probably a good idea, the president's doing that. Richard Stallman, I condemn you. You are bane, you are shunned from my world now. I had respect for you. This is cyber warfare. You can't, there's no way. War is war, yes. There's no way you can condone that. Well the other thing is I find, and to encourage it, I think there's a couple things here that have to be paid, some attention has to be paid to the following.

1:19:40 The Russians have already, the Kaspersky guys have already grabbed this thing and they've deconstructed it and they know how it works and they've got the whole thing down. You can't really, this is not like a, I mean, I think it's an interesting idea that you could, if you actually had a war and you declared it and you started using these things to attack the enemy. That is different if you declare the war. Which is different, I agree. But even if you did it then, these are not bombs. When you throw a bomb and it blows up, the bomb is, you know, nobody's going to... These things can be grabbed and then turned around and sent the other way? Yes, exactly. And now in the same... Iranians are not idiots.

1:20:20 they have plenty of people that can code like any place else and they could grab this code and just send it right back into our infrastructure. Which is now starts to explain why everyone on the hill is freaking out about cyber warfare is because oh crap our president like unleashed this but and there's another one flame which if you read the new flame is the one I'm talking about okay well it doesn't matter because that is also according to the New York Times article is also an initiative by the Obama administration no that's the one I think that that triggered the whole thing. Flame is the one that we're talking about. No, no, no, Stuxnet, the New York Times article. Stuxnet is the old, yeah, that thing's not a play. But Obama propagated. The flame is the one that the Russians grabbed and that's the one we talked about on the last show. Yes, yes. I had the quote that said, well, it's everything you'd ever want is a 20 megabyte file that's got everything in it. It turns on the microphones, it does all these things. Well, you just gave them, you're just like giving somebody the plans to how to make an H-bomb.

1:21:16 But even better, if you think your president won't use you, I mean look at the drone program. We now have drones coming over our own skies in the US, so they're going to turn flame against the people of the United States as well. It's going to be everywhere. The lack of outrage is what's just astounding to me. Astounding. Although there is some blowback from the left, I would say. It's really pathetic when the left has to do this dirty work. Yeah, let me see there was a pretty good article Forbes actually had a good rundown and Some of the leftist Publications are calling him a psychopathic megalomaniac. Okay, I'm down with that. That's that's kind of what I call him He is a psychopath and he's worse than George Bush was a psychopath. They're all psychopaths. Here we go What was this?

1:22:21 I'm sorry. I can't find it that quickly, but you know lots of left-wing Publications are now saying hey hold on a second this is out of control But the American public and you know when I hit with someone like Stallman that that surprised me that surprises me Yeah, I mean you know cyber warfare. This is not how you play. This is not the game and If in our own laws in the National Defense Authorization Act, if you know and the Cybersecurity Act everything that's being passed now says if someone is going to wage cyber warfare on us, we'll hit them back with bombs. Well, you know people in glass houses, dude, don't do this. This is not not good. And by the way, they were enriching uranium, they say for

1:23:16 And if this goes way back, they say for nuclear power, so you're denying someone of their right to create nuclear power? The whole thing is F'd. It's not good and it's not healthy and it's going to just backfire because again, I think it's an impeachable offense. Handed over the blueprint to all kinds of trouble. But I think it's an impeachable offense for him to do this. It's really... You don't think it's an impeachable offense for him to drone an American without due process? Of course, but this is... now we're talking our world. Now we're talking the interwebs. The people who are smart are supposed to be saying this is not okay. But the people who are smart are saying, oh, I tweeted this out. I said, I do not approve of my president waging cyber warfare. The tweets I got back is like, oh man, would you rather have Iran with nukes?

1:24:11 Yeah, that's what you're gonna have that would be what I'd expect you to get back. I know and I But I'm just so disappointed. It's pretty pathetic. Yeah Pretty pathetic. It's pretty pathetic you wait this flame thing will turn on you. Oh, yeah, no flames gonna be bad I'm gonna have to talk to my friends up in Nova Scotia who deal with anti- spyware specifically, specifically stuff that you can install on a machine and it's almost impossible for a virus or anti-virus software to find it, you know, keyloggers, which is this claim has got a keylogger. But not for a second do I not believe that McAfee and all these other companies are, and this might actually explain the story that we didn't talk about, the founder of McAfee, you know, he's like a, there was like crazy story that he's hiding out, he's running a meth lab,

1:25:07 10 to 1 the guy has the goods that McAfee is actually helping install this crap on computers worldwide and they need to get rid of him. And certainly discredit him before he comes out and says, hey, you know, that company that I started that everyone thinks is protecting you and protecting corporate America? Well, actually, they're helping the government put crap on the computers to spy. Yeah, May 2nd 2012 which is recent McAfee's property in Orange Walktown Belize which he where he had to move was raided by gang suppression unit

1:25:43 The gang suppression unit, a GSU press release stated that he was arrested for unlicensed drug manufacturing and possession of an unlicensed weapon. McAfee was allegedly in the presence of his 17 year old Belizean girlfriend. All charges were dropped and Mr. McAfee is suing the Belizean government for false arrest. Right. Yeah, this doesn't sound like it's going in the right direction for this guy. No, so it sounds like a discrediting move, if anything. So... More reason to load one distro of Linux and lock it down and lock it down ladies and gentlemen somebody the chat room said no That's me That is me It isn't a bad idea lock it down, but anyway I have to say the good news is and I have a clip of this luckily our president is very fluent in technology now you think that he's only a constitutional

1:26:42 Law Scholar and professor, but he actually knows he knows his stuff when it comes to technology And I was quite as much as I hate this the droning and the cyber warfare. I'm happy to know that he knows his technology Let's get that done right now that means they're gonna be you know if you got $3,000 a year extra That helps you pay down your credit cards, that helps you go out and buy some things that your family needs, which is good for business. Maybe somebody will be replacing some thingamajig for their furnace. There you go, perfect. The thingamajig. The thingamajig. An underused term. Spot as far as it gets. Thingamajig.

1:27:29 I don't even know if he uses a computer. I mean his whole life was spent on a Blackberry. He's got a thingamajig. He doesn't need... I got a Blackberry. I don't need one of those thingamajigs. The fact that he would have this Vivek Kundra character as his CTO or CFO or whatever the heck he was, it was ridiculous to me. It's like, did he even talk to this guy? So anyway, I have a little lighter clip. Why, you didn't like my thingamajig? Come on! It was okay. It was pretty light. I'll save this one. Save the light. Save the light, I tell ya! For the thingamajig! So play the Global War on Terrorism metal clip, and I want to play this because I noticed this at the event where all these guys were, you know, all these Iraq veterans against the war. The Iraq veterans against the war had, um...

1:28:20 all been using the same meme which is now becoming an interesting one because I didn't think it was going to actually get out there which is it's a global war on an adjective. on a weekly basis and we were seeing other units do the same. We could also see that when we entered a home, even if there wasn't a terrorist there before, there was when we left. And we were radicalizing the entire population just by our presence. You're wearing a medal. What is the medal for? This is the Global War on Terrorism medal. Anybody who serves post 9-11 in the United States military serves in the Global war on an adjective. What are you doing with it today? I'm going to be turning it back into the generals at NATO to demonstrate that I reject the medal, I reject what it means and I reject any affiliation with this war. That's a very good one, I like that global war on an adjective. Which is what it is. That's what it is. It's what it is, there's no enemy, it's just an adjective. I'm so happy. It's also a noun but anyway. This enlightens me.

1:29:23 It makes me happy to hear that people are out there say calling bullcrap Unfortunately, the news diet you're receiving is not you know, you got full. What does it call? Yep, hold on sugar Sugar drink full sugar drink. Yeah, so they this was a pretty big gathering in Chicago with these veterans throwing their their War on Terrorism badge away. War on Adjective. Whatever else they had. And it was not covered in the least and I thought it would, if I was doing the news, I mean this was actually kind of interesting that this was going on. But they didn't, there was zero coverage of this. Zero. No.

1:30:08 No. It's like the riots that are going on in Spain. They showed some good stuff. Spain's got a bunch of cops beating the crap out of people and Greece's got daily riots. None of this. We don't get any of it. Everybody's just left in the dark. And then we're going to all be the public, not the listeners to our show, obviously, we know what's going on, but the public at large, which is the problem. They're going to be like stunned and dismayed. How did this happen without us knowing? I read an interesting article, a blog post the other day that said the news diet, that's why I'm using it, the news diet that we get from television news and from anything really, mainstream news, is like junk news. And it'll make you fat and bloated and immobile just like junk food. And I think there's something really to it. And if anything, that is what we do here is we provide you with a healthy balanced diet.

1:31:00 You know, are we really vegetables? No. Sometimes we're hard to swallow. But it's important. It's important that you get this and that's why you're probably feeling good even though you're... On the surface you're bummed out when you hear all this stuff, but somewhere deep down under you're actually kind of okay. This was a good one. You know WebMD? Oh yeah, that was done by the Netscape guy. Yeah, Jim... Jim Jim. Jim Jim. Slim Jim. So WebMD is, I would say, is it's kind of the go-to company for a lot of people. Go-to website if they want to look up, you know, what they think they have or what they've been diagnosed with. In fact, I was watching that movie with Seth, what's the guy? The funny guy. Seth MacFarlane? Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan. 50-50. Where are all these, by the way? There's Seth Meyers, Seth Rogan, Seth McFarlane. There's a whole bunch more. I can name about 10 of them.

1:32:00 What is the name Seth? They're all the same age. It's kind of a wimpy name. It's a wimpy name, but it's all they're all the same age They're all the same group. There's about six or seven all in Hollywood all famous Where does this name and this doesn't exist after or before? Where did it come from? I don't know. Well, we should look that up So the Seth Rogen movie 50-50 where his buddy gets cancer and you see him looking up this horrible disease that he has on a WebMD so nice little product placement there. So it's not doing too well but of course if you look at WebMD if you dig under the covers you'll see that the people who are funding the company is Big Pharma and under pressure from the shareholders to bolster its share price they have now named

1:32:47 Kaven M. Redmond as its CEO and he of course is a senior executive at Pfizer. Yeah, there's no conflict of interest there. Wow. Yeah, blatant isn't it? Oh yeah, it's bad. Yeah, just put the put the shill in charge of everything because then the other guy's doing no good. You got a you got a you got a stock report on Pfizer? No, it can't be doing very well at the moment. Let me take a look. I'm not Pfizer. I'm sorry. WebMD. WebMD? Let's take a look. WebMD. It is public, I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. WebMD HealthCorp. WBMD, $2282 down a little bit. Let's see what it looks like long term. It was as high as $50. It's bouncing around at $23 level and it's just staying. It's dead money. Yeah, dead money.

1:33:44 Looks dead money to me. Yep, dead money. It took a plunge around January, first part of January, was floating around just under 40 and then just took a big knife, under a large volume. It just fell like a rock. That's when they put him in I'm sure. No, this would be January 15th. The chairman of WebMD says he has a successful track record in identifying and leveraging new revenue opportunities, driving efficiency, establishing sustainable growth platforms. You know, that's what my career is built on. Sustainable growth platforms. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. We got to producer Vicky sent me a new possible script on the HPV scam, which, by the way, Miss Mickey was at a doctor and she was talking about this.

1:34:35 And the doctor said, you know, the whole thing is such a scam. This strain, the so-called strains that HPV fights against don't even exist in the United States, which I have not been able to verify. But I thought it wouldn't surprise me. Now, was this a real doctor or was this your your no, this was not the voodoo doc. No, this was a real doctor. So here my son's doctor. This is a producer, Vicky, told my 18 year old son he needed to get the HPV vaccine because, quote, The girls are getting it and the guys need to step up and do their part. This doctor is very reputable by him kicking myself for him getting the series of three shots. He got the shots before we realized there could be health problems. Just an FYI. We live in Maine. Please keep the rest of my information confidential. It's ridiculous. How about that? The girls are getting it so the guys need to step up, do your part, slave. Take this expensive shot.

1:35:35 I've heard around the office at least two women who got the shot. I don't know, I didn't bother following up because I didn't think much about it but they'd come back after being tested for cancer and then I didn't think much about it. I didn't think it was probably part of the same scam but now I think about it I'm gonna ask each one of them what the outcome was and I bet you they took a stupid shot and dropped 400 bucks on it. Well, no, you know the script by now. It's like, yeah, with the script. Do the biopsy, yeah. You go in, they test you for HPV, they give you a test from a machine that doesn't work and gives a lot of false positives. You get a false positive so they do a biopsy, which has got to be painful and dangerous. You freak out for a week because you're pre-cancerous. You'll come back clean but just to make sure they give you a shot.

1:36:25 Bend over it's a great. It's a great scam great scam. Yeah, well, how about we got it? We got a nice letter from one of our listeners moaning about the fact that we're anti vaccine Vaccination when this is not true, and he said you know just it was just like this horrible note that we get these people that you have Listen to one show they don't really get into what we're trying to do and And they don't like us probably is one of reason I mean we're not necessarily two likable guys. No no everybody hold on a second and John C. Dvorak states the over obvious We're not likable guys. We're not typically likable guys. And so if you're not looking for something, you know, CNN-ish from this show, which we're not going to ever deliver, you could get, you listen to a couple of things, you get, yeah, yeah, you're full of crap. Yeah. And you're anti-vaxxers. I mean, I got a nasty note about you and your voodoo doctor. Oh yeah. Of course. Crazy. I'm nuts. Well,

1:37:26 Well the... But we're not arguing that you're nuts. That's what they don't get. No. The new study, new research by physicians at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, that's the UMDNJ for you, the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School has now come out, surprisingly John, surprisingly, individuals with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder have a greater severity of nicotine dependence and therefore require a more potent treatment plan than the general population when it comes to Shantix usage. It is considered safe and effective treatment for helping people with schizophrenia to quit smoking." That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! People who aren't schizophrenic go nuts on this drug. And now they're saying you just need to up the dosage.

1:38:27 It's okay, because you're schizophrenic. So don't worry, you'll stop smoking. I mean, you might go around killing your neighbor's goat in your underwear, but you'll stop smoking. This is the pharmaceutical industrial complex, I should say, pharmaceutical educational industrial complex, which is just out of control. That they get paid for this research to say, it's safe, you know, we know people are wigging out. And how many people have we had email into the show say, oh man, I'm so glad you guys told me to get off that stuff because I was freaking out. Yeah, we're not giving medical advice by the way. No, no, no. We're just relating anecdotes. That's exactly right. And speaking of anecdotes, Fareed Zakaria, global shill of the New World Order.

1:39:22 Uh, hangs out with President Obama all the time. You know, drinking some root beer. He did the commencement speech at Harvard. I guess he's a Harvard. They really sunk to the bottom. What'd they bring that clown in there for? Well, he actually was quite entertaining. He was clowny. He was pretty funny. He had a couple of good zingers, good lines. He didn't get to wear a crazy cape though. I thought that was kind of lame. If you're gonna do a commenc- He didn't want to wear the cape? He could have worn the cape. You can wear the cape if you want to wear the cape. I don't think they gave him a cape. He didn't wear it? Well he was in a suit, he wasn't wearing the cape. What an idiot. I know, I think you know if you're gonna do the commencement speech at least get the cape with the big shoulders and the like the international criminal court kind of white thingy and that's cool you know big ringlets. No, no cape. But

1:40:06 Luckily, luckily Fareed Zakaria can tell us that science has saved the world. We forget our successes. In 2009, the H1N1 virus broke out in Mexico. Now if you look back at the trajectory of these kinds of viruses, it's quite conceivable that this one would have spread like the Asian flu of 1957 or 1968, which cost 4 million lives. But this time the Mexican health authorities identified the problem early, shared the information with the World Health Organization, learned best practices, tracked down where the outbreak took place, quarantined people, vaccinated others. The country went on a full-scale alert. In a very Catholic country, it was not allowed to go to church for three Sundays. Perhaps more importantly, you couldn't go to a soccer game for three weeks.

1:40:58 But the result was that the virus was contained to the point where three months later people asked what was the fuss? The science is in! What was the fuss? That's right, science saved us Fareed. Wow, amazing. Just make it up as you go along. Yeah, all of us, you know, millions of people. He's not using scientific method to give us this thesis, that's for sure. He's just blah blah blah blah blah. Millions of people could have died. Millions, millions, millions I tell you but thank you so much. It's like saved jobs, you know, saved or created, saved or created. I'm glad they dropped that. I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Millions could have died! Alright, we do have a few people to thank for helping us on Show 414.

1:41:57 Linda Nguyen, 16962. Interesting number. 16962. Why? I don't know. Hola, John and Adam. Keep up the great investigative work and analysis. Can you play my new favorite clip, Reverend Manning's Whoop Obama's Behind, the original or remix? Thanks. P.S. Could you make sure the donation on the April 5th one goes towards my husband, Fernando Gilfranco Nighthood. I want to mention to people who are developing nighthoods for one person or another, you do the accounting and you send it to us and then we check to make sure the numbers are correct.

1:42:36 but you know we don't free move money right we did you just do it is not that we don't have a staff here we don't have the staff we don't also have the it's just too complicated it's easier for you to do it because you're the one that's donating and we appreciate you doing that yeah and well do I have to play the thing yes since it's a slow day we might as well play the remix now get out there and whoop Obama's behind whoopie whoopie what the Constitution whoopie whoopie whoopie Never gets old. No, it's a winner. Chris Potter from Elmira, Ontario came with $100 in the morning, gentlemen. He needs a little karma jingle, he'd appreciate it. You've got karma.

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1:44:22 It's a... this is the Jamaican in Austin. Yeah, this used to be the Jamaican in New York and I gotta meet this guy. He's in Austin now. He's a Jamaican. I know! I know! Is he on the list for birthdays? Um, hold on. Let me double check that. Probably not. No, no, no. Put him on. Put the Jamaican in Austin birthday. It's his birthday today. So I'd like a war on chicken Huntsman Karma. Alright. The War on Chicken.

1:44:57 And if it wasn't for... Easy, don't step on the karma. If it wasn't for the Jamaican in Austin, the 69-69 thing would be over because we don't have another one. And when it breaks, by the way, when the chain is broken, we're no longer accepting 69-69 donations. We're just going to call it 70. Okay, we'll throw in the extra penny. It's a little more than a penny, but yeah, we'll call There's the penny

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1:46:34 Eduardo Sanchez in Hartford, Connecticut 5555 here's the donation to cover the months missed when PayPal cancelled my donation hate that Please remind all of the producers to check their PayPal accounts once a month to verify credit cards have not expired. I also reinstated and raised my monthly donation to 1212. Keep up the great work Eduardo Sanchez, former submarine nuclear power plant operator, current electric grid operator in Hartford. I just want to mention briefly Atomic Rod. I misstated on the previous show. That he had been in a nuclear sub for 33 years. He says it's very important to me He says you know that you get my resume right now, and so just a correction He was in service for 33 years. He spent six I think five years actually submerged, but he And I don't know if it was concurrent, but he spent five years submerged so a correction made yeah

1:47:34 It sounds like a long time in a sub to be 33 years. Yeah, sir Matt Nicole in Brooklyn, New York fifth double nickels on the dime night Matt Nicole congratulating Pete and Annie Rial's new slave Jack who was born on Tuesday May 29th Can I get a newborn shut up slave karma for Jack and one hot milf shout out for Annie? Wait a minute the newborn. Oh, what was that called again? Oh a second. Oh, man. Oh That was a good... the kid? Is that what they want? What are you doing? Are you ordering stocks and bonds? Buying and selling. I don't think I can... Chicago, Chicago, they're buying in New York, sell. I'm trying to find... Someone hot milked the kid, the little kid. Well, I have though, that's one. Didn't you want the other one? The kid saying shut up slave or am I misunderstanding? Shut up slave. Oh, just newborn shut up slave karma. Okay.

1:48:40 Well, oh well whatever yeah, well, whatever check try this. That's one hot milk, baby You've got karma also I purchased Jack real calm the first sons firstborn sons name a domain name forwarding to know agenda show calm that's Jack real Rie HL I think this is a good initiative have all your kids names forward to us all your kid belong to us and Greg Wilcox, Gregory Wilcox in Phoenix, Arizona, 5007 and no comment that I can see. Michael Kearns, Sir Michael Kearns in Kansas City, Mo, 50, it's okay to ship the ring whenever you get around it. Here's another 50, should cover shipping and handling. John, do you grind your own meat for burgers? If so, do you have a favorite blend? Why, that's a great question.

1:49:36 I have a grinder, but I generally don't grind my own meat for burgers. So I don't have a favorite blend. I'm not quite sure. I mean, if I sometimes if I make a mix, I like to have about, you know, 30% veal. Have you ever done Buffalo burgers? Oh, yeah. I love Buffalo burgers. They're quite good. Yeah. You got a charcoal. It's got to be on the real grill to give the extra flavor. Christopher Grimm in Sayreville, New Jersey, $50. By the way, I just bought a half a steer. Yeah, yeah, right. It's a nice process and I want to remind people I'm gonna do it in a future show We're gonna talk about this in more details because everybody should be doing this It's just discouraged by the government the FDA and everybody else don't want you buying your own steer and having it butchered the way exact way you want it butchered. It's processing Processing it's called processing. Yeah

1:50:29 Cut and wrap yeah, but you have to talk you talk to the butcher And then they you know they tell you what you tell them what you want a bunch of bunch of French cuts So you want a bunch of steaks you want a bunch of roasts whatever you get what you want, and it's like couple dollars a pound And it's just a way to go. And it's better meat because you can keep track of the animal, you can make sure it's only grass-fed or whatever. But they just discourage people to dig big cargill and these big companies do everything they can to keep the public from buying this. I talked to my meat guy at the market here in Austin yesterday and he says, I got a new one at the processing. So you'll have your tenderloin next week because I ordered the tenderloin, a couple other cuts.

1:51:11 And so it's essentially he's kind of the middle guy, but it's still a lot cheaper. I get a whole tenderloin for 28 bucks, John, a whole tenderloin. The ones that go for 70 bucks at Costco, which has good prices? Yeah. 28 bucks. And I said, hey, did the animal have a name? I'm always interested in that. He says, yeah, big boy. But I'll call them all big boy when they're big boy. When the animal hears me calling him big boy, he knows it's over. God. Christopher Grimm in Saraville, New Jersey. Back to him. $50 in the morning. John and Adam wish I could donate more, but this donation is equal to a day's worth of work.

1:51:50 with all the BS removed. Thank you. What do I expect for being a recent college grad? I'd like to request a karma shot for finishing school with a BA in theater and for an audition I have tomorrow for the National Tour of Hair. Oh! If I book it, free tickets for you guys. Hey! I'd also like to request a douchebag call out to the president of Keene University. Douchebag! That's Dawood Falrahi who got the job by lying on his resume about his education. Alright, well let's get another one.

1:52:40 Robin Darden in Hoboken, New Jersey $50 and we want to thank them and everybody else who came in with lesser amounts for all the for the help for this show and I think we have another note. Yeah, I got it here. This is from Ivan who's been donating $42 consistently of course a very magical number. The universe can be explained with that number. Thank you for all the hard work. Please accept my apology for having been a douchebag since the beginning. Please take a moment to look at Fullertonsfuture.org and give a douchebag call out to the FPD for hiring and protecting bad cops that are now on trial for the murder of Kelly Thomas and many other horrific offenses. And not looked into that one. The Fullerton Police Department. Yeah. Interesting. Well, it was a nice town at one time. That's the problem, you get a bunch of bad cops in a town and they can wreck it. It happens. It happens. That's it. So, definitely light. You know, I guess what we're gonna

1:53:41 This is why John loves it. We're gonna be complaining a lot. Yeah, this is why John loves it. Miss Mickey and I are gonna go out on the road because that keeps everyone's attention and keeps up. Attention is really what it is because people start to wane a little bit in these summer months. Which brings me to the fact that we still do not have a trailer that the truck can pull and we desperately need one. Renting one is an expensive proposition. So, we're talking six weeks now. No, I'm sorry, six weeks you're getting married and then we come back and we want to leave right after that and we want to go up the Rockies, up to Montana, maybe we'll hit Canada.

1:54:23 And come back down again, so let you back in for the team yeah, so that'll be for the hot pockets 2009 tour and For the 2010 tour of course we'll do the entire west coast which we have not done yet We'll go all the way up also hitting, Canada, but we need a trailer, and there's two ways to do it You know you can you really if we really step up the donations we can rent one rent is about a hundred bucks a day and for the size that we can pull, which I think 25 feet is about the max, particularly in the Rockies. A hundred bucks a day is not cheap, particularly if you're, we're talking three weeks here. And in addition to that, of course, there's gas and hopefully no repairs. I hope the truck will make it.

1:55:11 And of course we'll be doing our shows from the road, so please please please please Consider if you have a truck in Texas pretty much anywhere in Texas. I'll go and pick it up Austin would be great Austin Houston San Antone Dallas Be happy to go pick it up if not then then we need to step up donation something's got to happen and And I know that there are producers who want to see us so you can email everything to micky at curry dot-com M I C K Y at curry calm because we'd love to do this and we'd love to see y'all see y'all out there on the road and we're gonna have to do it because that's a You learn this in radio from a very, you know early in any radio career that the only way to keep your audience

1:55:59 tuned in during the summer months is to do appearances. Appearances, summer jams, whatever it is. You've got to go to the people. So we're doing it. I think we're one of the few podcasts that actually do this. I've never heard of anybody else doing it. I hear a lot of people talking up a big storm saying they're going to do it, but actually doing it is a different story. So you know where to help us out and if we could just even it out a little bit, we have great Thursdays, really terrible Sundays. Maybe you just want us to do the Thursday show? I don't know we could do we could do a longer Thursday show but that of course is up to you and I'm not we haven't quite hit the doldrums of February yet when things got really bad but we're getting closer so please consider us consider donating it's value for value don't buy that second drink in New York don't buy that that you know now that you're constrained and you've already seen Avenger so you don't need to go to any movies yeah

1:57:01 And like we had a couple of really creative people that have done some interesting things with their, you know, ways to do the donations. You know, they left their girlfriend. Yeah. Sent us the money from a date. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a win. It's a win. It's money you're going to spend anyway. It's like the show. I mean, you know, that's a double win. It's a win-win. Losing her anyway. All right. Let me program your brain for a moment. Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-R-A-K. It's your birthday, Batman! I know what you've got! Alright, Jan Koldjapijn congratulates his newborn daughter Elisa who apparently can pee now that he got drunk, keeping up the tradition there in Gitmo Nation, Dutchland. Sir Matt Nicole, happy birthday to Pete and Annie's

1:57:48 son, newborn son Jack, Jack Reel, and of course we celebrate the birthday of the Jamaican in Austin and we say happy birthday on behalf of all your buddies here at the No Agenda Show. And of course no knighthoods today. That was not, with that level, is not to be expected. There you go. Can't help it, and help it. We're really short on 12, 12, 12 nights. There's probably some fuel coming at the end, but it would be nice if somebody came in a little sooner. Look at drone nation. A couple of reports going on. Just stuff that you don't hear. Another drone crashed. This was in Afghanistan.

1:57:01 And like we had a couple of really creative people that have done some interesting things with their, you know, ways to do the donations. You know, they left their girlfriend. Yeah. Sent us the money from a date. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a win. It's a win. It's money you're going to spend anyway. It's like the show. I mean, you know, that's a double win. It's a win-win. Losing her anyway. All right. Let me program your brain for a moment. Dvorak.org slash N-A-W-R-A-K. It's your birthday, Batman! I know what you've got! Alright, Jan Koldjapijn congratulates his newborn daughter Elisa who apparently can pee now that he got drunk, keeping up the tradition there in Gitmo Nation, Dutchland. Sir Matt Nicole, happy birthday to Pete and Annie's

1:57:48 son, newborn son Jack, Jack Reel, and of course we celebrate the birthday of the Jamaican in Austin and we say happy birthday on behalf of all your buddies here at the No Agenda Show. And of course no knighthoods today. That was not, with that level, is not to be expected. There you go. Can't help it, and help it. We're really short on 12, 12, 12 nights. There's probably some fuel coming at the end, but it would be nice if somebody came in a little sooner. Look at drone nation. A couple of reports going on. Just stuff that you don't hear. Another drone crashed. This was in Afghanistan.

1:58:36 but of course that was controlled from Langley, the joint base Langley, had a loss of engine coolant. And I would like to remind people that when these things start flying over the United States and there's a loss of engine coolant, you know, that could basically be bad if you're underneath this drone. And if now an engine coolant, you know, doesn't necessarily mean you have to crash. If you're manning the aircraft you can probably find a place to land and yeah And I think most airmen would at least choose a rough landing over Killing people down below and these drones. I think what's happening no offense to the drone operators, but it's just not the same thing You know you're sitting there at your joystick like I'm losing control. Oh well whatever

1:59:32 But if it's your own ass on the line, you might actually try and get this thing down. A loss of engine coolant, so the engines basically quit. It didn't explode, it didn't lose contact with the ground, yet it crashed. And the Canadian Air Force has, under some form of Freedom of Information Act request, has released some of their data. They've already had 40... let me see, what's the exact number? Is it 42 or 47? crashes, 10 most recently, where these things do crash. Yeah, as of June 10th, 2011. Most accidents involved engine failure. Engine failure is what as a pilot you train for. You train for it in helicopters, you train for it in aircraft. Why are they having so many crashes? This is ridiculous. Are these engines junk? What kind of money do we spend on these things that the engines are crapping out left and right? Yeah, that I can't answer.

2:00:34 But I do know that engine failure does not have to lead to a crash. And I mean, I have no evidence of what happened. There's no reports I can read about the so-called crashes. So I don't know if it, you know, if it was on landing, it flipped over or whatever. But it seems like these things are just coming down and crashing and like, boom. Oh, OK. I think that these pilots, these operators may be just giving up on it. And yeah, maybe it's not so bad if it's in the desert over Kandahar, which there's some people down below there too as well. But I'm, I think we need to be very, very careful about what we allow in our skies. Just saying, you know, there's less than 500,000 licensed pilots in the United States. Sounds about right. Yeah, with the number dwindling. Well, it's dwindling because it's just like getting your own steer. It's discouraged by the government.

2:01:34 General aviation is being discouraged by the government. This has been going on for years. You know this. Yeah, no, of course I know it. They even want to implement a hundred dollar per flight fee for the next-gen system, which will put a lot of pilots out of business. And you can't go flying your aircraft. You've got to pay a hundred bucks for each time you take off just to pay for the privilege of using the next-gen system, which is supposed to be a public good. I did like the petition on the White House though. Did you see this petition? I don't know which one is it. It's the do not kill list. Yeah you can you should the link in the show notes for and for that and in show notes dot com you can put your name. Yeah I'm right but just as effective as the do not call list. I got two calls I got a call a few minutes ago. I'm on the do not call list and I still get calls and now there's an article in the New York Times about this saying it doesn't work. Everybody's bitching and moaning I'm on the do not call list but they call anyway.

2:02:35 Nobody does anything about it, so the do not kill list will be exactly the same. It's cute though on the White House It's very please President Obama. Do not put me on your kill list. I'm a good guy I Think it's pretty funny. Yeah, right doesn't get it so the zombie meme continues to propagate and And now it's becoming very very obvious Aaron Burnett Man, it's such a shame. You know she's so cute and And she's on the, of course she's a counsel of foreign relations shill. And now, you know, she keeps doing this. She's now, she's overacting in her lead up to the story. So I'm not going to play the story obviously. It comes out of a little cross talk with Anderson Cooper. And just listen to how she's overacting. We're learning more tonight about the man who was killed by Florida police as he was chewing off another man's face.

2:03:24 Rudy Eugene's mother and girlfriend now speaking out about an incident so gruesome that you know as we've been telling you it's it that the pictures are disturbing it was is awful there were people who apparently were even biking by and saw this absolutely horrific scene. So we have seen zero pictures by the way. Have you seen the guys with his face chewed off? Have you seen this guy eating his flesh? No you haven't seen any of that. There was one picture of the naked guy leaning over somebody. Yeah, but everything's blurred out. Yeah. Yeah. So we only like my no agenda t-shirt. He's gonna be. No, so we have not seen this.

2:04:01 She keeps saying horrific, it's horrible, like this is the worst thing you could ever imagine. Zombies! 31 year old Eugene was described to be in a zombie-like state when he was caught by police in Miami on Saturday. No one described him as in a zombie-like state. Didn't you run this clip last week? No! She keeps doing this. Every single show she does a zombie segment. Every single show. And this is in relation to the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control. Hello! We know the guys there are listening. We know they listen. One of them is a knight who work at the CDC. It's true. The CDC comes out and says, there's absolutely no proof that zombies exist. Oh, thanks CDC. Here's a report from New York 1010 wins. I love how this is propagating.

2:04:52 Javon Kendrick just doesn't get it. He can't imagine what could possess the CDC, a federal agency, to come out and declare there are no zombies. Who would believe that there's zombies? I don't know. I don't think the feds would have to tell you for you to believe that there's zombies out here. You know, that's common sense. Javon, meet Michelle. I feel like the CDC, they know something is going on, so they're trying to cover it up so no one won't panic. Michelle also believes in vampires. It's just one big conspiracy. You know how they got Movies like that with the government, they make potions and stuff, antidotes. Perhaps she's seen... I'm with Michelle. Anecdotes, you know the government to make potions and stuff. I'm with Michelle I am why would you make it such a big deal about it? And of course the problem here or Really the setup because we know that Brad Pitt's movie is coming out World War Z Is that the CDC came out a few months ago with a zombie preparedness entire web page preparing for the zombie apocalypse and

2:05:52 And I want you to listen to the spokeshole for the CDC. talking about, now this was one of those satellite things where he's just sitting in a room with a CDC logo on a monitor in the background and he's answering questions via remote and everyone gets the same video. Listen to how he's talking and tell me, well I'm not gonna give it away, just listen. We were coming up on hurricane season and we were really looking for a novel and innovative way to engage the American public in their own preparedness. And we had recognized that during the recent tragedy in Japan, on our Twitter feed, there was a lot of buzz when people had mentioned zombies. So when my communications director came to me and said, let's think about using... Do you hear it?

2:06:38 Do you hear what? Do you hear? Listen to how he breathes. Zombies has a way to get people to engage in personal preparedness. I said, absolutely, let's go for it. Established a zombie task force and then using existing resources and social media, we put together this campaign. You didn't hear it? No, I don't hear anything. It's just a guy talking. Listen to how he breathes. Listen again. I can't hear him breathing. Yes, listen. It's absolutely been excellent. Much more than we had ever expected. So usually I get about 3,000 odd people that examine the blog that I put together. The guy is

2:07:18 He's a zombie! Nah, he's like this. This case we've got over when we were so far I've had over about two million hits. This guy is... He's got emphysema or something. He's a zombie! Sounds terrible. Well let me save the show with this clip. Ready? Yeah. Okay so I'm just the light clip I've been saving. So I'm watching it that just comes right out of it there's a bunch of Trekkie guys, Trekkers. Star Trek guys talking about the parties, they do a party every year and it's getting bigger and bigger and more successful and this is what you can expect if you ever go to one of these things. We've been having this party now for years. It seems like every year it gets to be a little bit more fun, a couple more people come, you know, it started off small and now the younger people are coming and this year we had a girl come and everything.

2:08:15 A girl actually came to our party I Like that my good good one one of our producers pointed something out about Syria, you know, he's you know Oh, by the way before you go into that Oh New York Times No We talked about on the last show there was something that was going to change. So what was the reason for the background? I said pipes. You know, pipe, remember that? You know what the thing might actually be with the Russians? Somebody came up with this stat, just threw it out. Syria accounts for 10% of all Russian arms sales.

2:09:07 And one of the things that we've not really done, we go into the oil companies, we go into the pipeline companies, but we have kind of left the arms dealers out of the equation when we come to this kind of international intrigue. 10% of all Russian arms sales goes to Syria. Yeah. Well, there's not, there's, okay, this fits in nicely. So we know they have that the port there Tardis is the port the naval base Yeah, they need a big base there so they can bring me arms. Ah no no here it is here. Here's the here's what I got 2008 that's when we had the Ossetia war the Russians were planning to deploy so the u.s. Of course deployed the the missile defense shield in Poland and

2:09:55 President Assad agreed to convert the port into a permanent Middle East base for Russia's nuclear armed warships and since 2009 they've been renovating the naval base, dredging the port to allow access for the larger naval vessels so they can have their own nuclear armament shield. This now makes sense with Iron Dome and all that crap. So not only do we not want the Russians, we want to take away their arms sales business, we don't want them deploying a missile shield right there, right up from Israel. We know from the last show that this is about the Russians. I mean, that's been confirmed. Yeah. We already knew it was, but now it's starting to come together. This is screw the Russkies. Well, or we want something from them.

2:10:48 Yeah, I mean we did a deal this whole thing was don't going along fine when the Exxon guys did a deal with the with Putin and then The next thing you know and Putin apparently is the arms dealer the next thing you know goes south and now we got this Conflagration that's just like completely out of control. We don't know you know we can't really Deconstruct it it's like the Russians have got something to do with it obviously, but we'd I think we need to keep digging and CNN has been, you know, CNN is great to watch because no one else watches it. So everything I play from CNN is new and fresh. But it's also, of course, because they are just like ABC. They're basically part of the Ministry of Truth.

2:11:32 So, throughout all of the bad stuff that was happening in Egypt, we had riots and all kinds of stuff going on, not a peep out of them, no Anderson Cooper there in Tahrir Square. And then all of a sudden, what do we see? News tonight, Hosni Mubarak is going to die in prison. That is a judgment handed to him today in Cairo, life in prison. A civilian court holding the 84-year-old former Egyptian president responsible for the deaths of 840 people during the historic revolution that forced him out of office. The verdict, not terribly surprising though. I want you to take a look at the scene right now in Cairo. Live pictures now of Tahrir Square, where the biggest Arab Spring Revolution was born. It's after 11pm and Tahrir Square is packed with Egyptians, both overjoyed and furious. You can see the crowds there. Ah yeah, so we're live back on Tahrir Square now. But this is a farce. If you look at the elections, did you see the percentage of people who voted in Egypt?

2:12:32 For the first runoff? What was it? 41%. It sounds like one of our elections. Yeah, so there was no revolution. There's not the people are like, yeah, great. No, they're going to just vote in a new shill, a new CIA shill. I've been reading up on Egypt and there's a lot of Egyptians who were not on Tahrir Square, 80 million Egyptians, I might point out. who were saying, hey, hold on a second, this is bull crap. You're just putting in a new shill. Economically, I'm looking at the Financial Times, there was only 2% of Egyptians below the poverty line. This guy actually, economically, from the way I see it, did a lot of good for the country. Well, you'd never know it, or even consider that as a possibility if you follow any of the story.

2:13:32 So he's on the front page of the New York Times with bars across them. He's wearing sunglasses for some reason. I thought that was pretty funny. He's got sunglasses and a watch. Yeah. And it kind of an expensive... doesn't look like prison garb. You know the... Do you remember the really pretty girl, the Asma Mahfouz? She was one of the techno experts on the ground. She would be interviewed. Really, really pretty Egyptian girl, spoke really good English. Vaguely, yeah. Yeah. So, you know where she showed up the other day? No, where? With Lucifer Clinton at the State Department with a whole bunch of techno experts. She's there with like guys from Tunisia, from Libya, and she's right there saying, and Lucifer's thanking him, clippity-clop. So obvious. But what we're fed is, we're fed, oh this is great, you know, another dictator toppled.

2:14:39 I don't think we can fight it anymore. Who said that we could fight it in the first place? I had some ideal. Apparently. How stupid of me. How stupid of me. Yeah, I know. How stupid. So another aspect of the EU crisis. I get one last clip. I'm short on clips today. I didn't think there was that much that went on since Thursday. except Krugman or Krugman or whatever you want to say. This is a good one, the foreboding of war. This was another British, I think this was on just the news day and I thought this was a little hint about what things to come.

2:15:25 Is that my cue? Yeah it was. A whole austerity project is seen. A disorderly breakup of the euro is so unthinkable that economists find it hard to model, but at least they are thinking about it. The problem is for the centrist politicians and civil servants who run Europe, they don't even want to think about it. And when you look at what's happening in Greece on the streets, you can see why. The old split between left and right is still there underneath. It still simmers. There's still a lot of... people have a sense of their family histories, of the political history of the country. So your grandfather killed my grandfather? Your grandfather, yes. And that could come back? Your grandfather killed my grandfather? It's already coming back. Your grandfather took my bike. So, well, yeah. So this is like a setup, seems to me. Just the story alone. All hell's gonna break loose. It's gonna be a...

2:16:21 This can't be good for the stock market. Yeah, no, I really care. I look at the stock market for two things. By the way, nice to see that gold popped up 50 bucks in one day. That was for damn good reason. So they come out with these jobless numbers and the guy's in the toilet. Yeah, well, so you basically prove my point. That when everything comes crashing down, people will run to gold. They tend to, yes. Yeah, okay, good. Like the superstitious people they are. It's okay, John, because you can always get a sandwich at my house here in Austin. I can get a sandwich. I buy my beef on the hoof. Yeah, and the other thing I look at is just with glee, just with glee as the proof that advertising on the internet is a farce.

2:17:17 as Facebook continues to crash and they went down. That just made me laugh. Facebook went down. I remember if you saw the movie, Zuck saying, the Facebook never goes down. The Facebook never goes down. Let me explain something about the mechanics. I've been wanting to do this, the mechanics of advertising on the internet. Why it doesn't work. It's about supply and demand and inventory. When you have a television program, there is a limited supply of time. It's a finite defined amount of time that can be used for advertising. Now they can expand that but you know you run into all kinds of problems because then you have no program left and we're approaching that tipping point. But there's only one drink manufacturer that can have its cup on, you know it's called category exclusivity, that can have its cup on the judges tables at American Idol and that's Coca-Cola.

2:18:15 And so you know that's been sold and there's a bidding war going on for that and you know coke wants to do it and they sponsor basically the whole program and you know the the the contestants sign away their lives do commercials and they actually air these commercials in the show but it's finite it's limited there's only so much And that's what that's why there's supply which is limited and demand and when you have some numbers which are good numbers You know 10 20 million Then you're going to be able to set a higher price when you have the internet the inventory is unlimited so the more people you have who are getting an ad and

2:18:56 The lower the price is going to be. So you may be able to sell more ads, but the price is going to be driven down. Unless you can argue it any other way, John, the market of internet advertising really, when it comes to display, has no future. Well, I think it has a future. It's just a grim future. I don't think ads are going to disappear from the internet and I think they still have to go to ad tech which is that I would if people want to get and follow this in any real way and actually try to learn something I would recommend finding the ad tech main site and then every time they do one of these shows they have them all over the world they have one in San Francisco they have one in New York they got one in Hong Kong they got them all over the place

2:19:45 Go to the site and then try to find the cache of podcasts. Every speech that's given at AdTech is available as a one hour download. And you can pick and choose what you want to listen to. And you can listen to these guys and you learn quite a bit about the advertising game as it exists today, because it changes constantly because of what Adam just described. Everyone's aware of this problem and they're always trying to adjust and fix it. and if you listen to these podcasts or these downloads of the lectures that you'd have to pay to listen to if you were there, you can kind of catch what they're up to in advance of them actually doing it. It's actually quite educational for just about anybody. And so what have you deduced from following this? Your basic premise is correct. Video seems to be very popular right now and it seems to have been for a while, but videos all

2:20:42 The reason that you see all these five minute shows and these eight minute shows and all this because nobody can they've never been able to monetize uh in uh, what's the name, in situ, in situ, in situ or whatever it's called. Interspersed, interstitial. Interstitial. They've never been able to monetize the interstitial ads because they don't know if anybody's seeing them. So they can just, so they just pre-roll. Yeah. And they'll, they figure somebody sees that. That's what you're bitching about constantly. Cause every time you click on something, there's a stupid pre-roll. Yeah, I don't see it. And they don't even know if that's effective. That's just a crap shoot. They're, they're, They're experimenting. It's not a done deal one way or the other. Right, but I think the issue of scarcity, the lack of scarcity on the internet drives the price down. So yes, Facebook can have 900 million people, but the marketplace is just saying, okay, that's great. I'll take 1,000 for a penny because you got 900 anyway. Whatever, there's enough of it. It's just a natural occurrence. So there's just no way to grow.

2:21:48 And yeah, of course there'll be advertising on the internet, of course there will be. But it's not... I was sitting at Halcyon yesterday after the market. Halcyon is a great little bar here on 4th Street and I think it's Guadalupe. And you can sit outside and their motto is everything that's bad for you. Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine. And so basically you can sit outside, smoke, drink coffee, drink bottomless mimosas. They got food, it's fantastic. And I hear some douche pitching some other guy about a website for tattoo artists. And eventually it's like, so how are you going to monetize this? Oh, advertising. Oh yeah, that's great. Oh God.

2:22:31 You didn't turn around and tell him? No. Give him a lecture? No! It was too entertaining. Well this happened in the late 90s, 99, 2000 when the whole dot-com thing crashed. These guys were singing the same song about advertising. And it's just, you know, it's just there's no... just look at Flickr. I mean they have a bunch of eyeballs and they've never been able to monetize that site. Instagram's never gonna make any money except for selling it to some sucker. I'm not, sorry. And I agree, I think Facebook is like, that is the worst market. You can make some money if you have a very specialized targeted site that's about, you know,

2:23:13 The the nut and bolt business and machine tools you say you have a machine tool site and it's a very exclusive and you have subscribers People will pay for that and they'll pay for that and then you could put ads on there and get top dollar. Mm-hmm But short of that, just having a general public of a bunch of douchebags, 900 million people have them in China. Who are you going to advertise? What are you going to advertise for the Chinese if they're on the Facebook? It doesn't make any sense. It's a disaster. Wait a minute, let me see if that's available. Hold on. Before that. Douchebook. Hold on. Douchebook.com. Let me see if I can register that real quick.

2:23:54 Wouldn't that be great if there was a douchebook.com? Oh, let me see. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Ah, crap. Someone already has it. Somebody has douchebook. Douchebook. Well, are you on Twit today? Yes, I am. Oh, good. I've programmed you. I've been successful. Now they're going to start talking about Facebook because that's what they do. And you're going to be like, man, this crap and advertising don't work. And you're all set. You're good to go. Yeah, thanks. You're prepped, boss. You're prepped. I will say I'm working on a project. It'll be a non-money making project because there's no money on it. What else is new? Yeah, there's no... This is par for my career. There's no money in it. But I need some help from any of our techno experts out there, our sysadmins, but really developers. If you can develop Apache,

2:24:49 And particularly in Apache modules and or PHP, I've got a really fun project and would take probably one engineer, one developer could work with me. And it would be, I think, something outstanding that could really catch fire. No one would own it and it'd be a lot of fun. And as I said, there's no money in it. I got no money to pay you. As we live on the value for value concept here, which is why we don't have ads, because we can make a living of just getting by by you helping us and donating to the show. We can't have ads because we'd be restricted. This is another problem with advertising that we can't talk about the things we want to talk about.

2:25:32 So consider us. Yeah, because we basically you put a bunch of effort into getting an advertiser and you could you could Joel them and you groom them and then they're your advertiser and then you say one thing and somebody calls the area. These guys are a couple of net balls. You shouldn't be advertising with them and they pull the ad immediately. Yeah. It takes nothing to get it. These advertisers are squeamish, they're skittish. They're really, you know, and you've had to deal with them. I rarely deal with them. Here's an experiment just to prove that the theory is true. When you're on Twitter today, say, man, Ford really sucks. Give that a try, will you? Yeah, I'll be doing that. Keep an ear tuned in. Just to prove the point, John, just to prove the point. Yeah.

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