Planes Trains and Lyndon LaRouche

00:01 You know your week just isn't complete until you've heard this program. It's not complete for me and I'm pretty sure it is not complete for my colleague across the ocean either Once again, it is time for the program that has no agenda coming to you from The Curry Manor in the United Kingdom on a beautiful August day My name is Adam Curry And I am John C. Dvorak up here in Northern California where I think we have a competitive day Ah well...you're allowed too So we might as well start right off by saying we just spent about, what? About 25 minutes trying to get the setup to work properly. Actually 21. I have no idea what happened, it's all of a sudden the routing was messed up and even though you could hear me fine and the software could register everything fine to record i was hearing like that the back end of a reverb plate that's how I can hear myself and then as you sounded like you were in the basement with 15 mattresses piled on top of you Yeah wish Here we go, we're good

01:02 But you fixed the problem by resetting every single thing and starting from scratch and rebuilding the code. Well, not exactly like that... You don't know what happened? I'm thinking the only thing that can happen is obviously did the same as you suggested What have you installed this week and the only thing i could the last thing i can remember installing was the new version of skype but that was before we recorded the last no agenda and the only thing i can think it is during this week i did get a software update pop-up i clicked it you know to do in fact they hit it for awhile uh... you just need to be denied applications on the mac and um... didn't want install anything

01:46 because you know I always want to take a full day and i wanna make sure the software updates, that there's no crap. Because you hear about that within a week usually There is something you don't want So just left it open and then I rebooted because I had this problem on Friday yeah just before recorded the daily source code And I rebooted and I clicked something in it just worked again but I did notice what used to be the icon for dot mac has changed now to the me mobile so maybe that this offer update are you know suck something in any way and misconfigured dirt some like that because i want to rebuild all the connections between the software in the virtual routing device network who knows yeah i guess for what it was i mean is a problem in the i've had that happen to me i think a lot of users that back they do something stupidly have their regular peace over stops working

02:42 And they think it's something they did and in fact, it is some upgrade or something else that was installed. But its worse on Windows because of all these DLLs that are swapped in and out. Yeah yeah thats sucks incredible I've had that happen so many times on windows and I gotta hand it to Mac once again even if this is a Apple thing where they're downloading software installing something It still pretty freaking easy it does kinda work. Yeah well the PCs kind of work too You know, it's not like they don't work. And they have a lot more stuff Well no that is not true! They have a lot more stuff That is not true anymore Yeah... No thats still true No its not true There are plenty of stuff for Macs you can get all the stuff you want You can get all the stuff you want but there isn't as much Can you give me an example of something you have that you cant get on the mac?

03:32 No, you can get everything on the Mac that you can get on the PC but there's more of it on the PC. I was looking for a converter for a flash to AVI thing and just like thousands of them. Oh yeah, the volume okay yeah but you also have to wade through thousands more that are just crap or install spyware... Or.. I didn't say that's not the case! But that is true. I've had that happen where like you want one little simple app and you do a search and you get thousands of results and it's all kind of same and then they're trying to sell you something else, and it doesn't really work. And oh I hate that! Yeah no my favorite thing is the guys... It's like it IS the same app but these guys with different websites. Yeah exactly! And they just change the name a little bit. The program...and those by-the-way those programs never work. No or totally garbage yeah we're not as advertised. It's getting more and more difficult to find stuff effortlessly

04:29 Because of these guys it's began with the cell phone providers the mobile phone people for you Europeans. Yeah When you started to look for like dummy type go to Google and type in best sell cell phone program deal something like that to say you wanted to find like I want and i wanna find for example comparison between Verizon AT&T singular or salmon Europe orange in vote a fall right I wanna know what the best sis best program is the best system with the best coverage in the best price now forget it oh yeah I know what you mean there's so many so many sites that are doing that its not possible because of all these these

05:07 guys that have flooded the web with these sites that just want to sell you a phone and they have phony numbers. I mean, it's just unbelievable! So what are the search engines? Yeah its kind of like that way with Symbian, thats the operating system Nokia uses because they had their new E71 and I was looking for a couple apps... And um.. I uh.... You know, just a couple simple basic things before you find a site that actually is good you know and lets you download simply, don't have to fill out a million forms every single time. It takes awhile and you want to bookmark it once you get one of those sites. Yeah absolutely! And the other thing I've found a couple interesting sites recently like that i'll put them on. I have the Dvorak dot org slash home dot HTM page which links to some of these sites but actually had to upgrade the one for downloading software

05:58 But the other thing is talking about jumping through hoops. I also hate some of the more traditional sites that we've had before that have the downloads now it's like you go to them and It's like it's like a confused mess, and this is do you want to download now? Or do you want to do this you want to do that And then you say yeah, I'm gonna download for God's sake what do you think I'm here for you click on it takes You to another page with a bunch of bull on it that you need to wade through and then the download button is some place buried, and you find it. You click on it takes you to another page saying well which server do you want to use? And they have a laundry list of servers yeah I mean come on if your looking for software what's the first site you go too? I'm sure don't Google I'm sure you go to A-site If your looking for Windows software where do you go to first

06:40 Well, on my home... I used to use two cows mostly. But they've made their lives complicated There's a new site it's like Freeloader or something like that and i got about five of them that I go to. I'm kind stuck with the well from the Mac it came from version tracker and then they have Windows windows tracker as well I find out to be pretty good service Okay, actually I'll going to have to upgrade My listing on that page I mentioned, home.htm, to do a listing for it says free software that I'm gonna have to go in there and go through all those specific sites and then I'm gonna find two or three new ones and put them up there for the public. At least it helps a little.

07:30 So I had a fun experience yesterday. Wait, wait before you say that anybody out there who has a great one site for mobile phone apps send me an email okay? I'll send you couple emails oh well you can always call so you're doing what Something interesting happened yesterday. You know I use that site drop.io where people can upload links and files? I got a bunch of email and Twitter messages about your being hacked! No, it wasn't that i was hacked but you know so I'm in contact with these guys and they're kind of like an alpha they've got you know I think they have a couple million dollars in funding and I'm really big fan of what they are doing and love this service and I freaking love it

08:18 And so they sent me a little note that said, oh we added a new future feature which you'll really like is every single time something's posted uh... you can have it send out a little alert with the link on your twitter unlike and that's kind of cool so i haven't been doing much twittering lately and if i do it then you know it is usually a link to something so why not automatically have a generator linking a little tweet message when somethings uploaded so ivy this already sounds about it so i think i was like okay so i hope it all up and ready go and here's my mistake right there was stakes I do a test message, so i post a note onto my drop.io slash daily source code and say hello world testing this should now appear on twitter that was the stupidest thing i could have done because of course six-and-a-half thousand people saw this and you gotta figure at least a fraction is saying oh let me go over there and see if it works

09:12 So then everyone started posting notes and shit, which just... And of course it came through as me. I was like wow what a mistake that was pretty dumb. Bonehead move we call it. Yeah that was real bonehead but the idea is great! I only lost like 150 people over it but I feel bad It was like oh of course this is not so smart because oh well Yeah, that's not it. Auto posting to things like Twitter. The great thing about Twitter that I like is the... It's different than a blog because is more of push technology.

09:51 Mainly because with a blog, and even though they call it micro-blogging. It's not really blogging it is just a different mechanism. With blogs people have to go overtly go the blog I mean they can subscribe to the RSS feed maybe makes it little but very few people subscribe to blog RSS feeds. I do! I subscribed tons of them Well... I'm one of the few okay? I don't think many people do. I don't think that many people do. A lot of people do, but we have 30-40 thousand people visit the blog a day and out of that we may have 5 thousand people on top of that who are subscribing to RSS. It's not half, let's put it that way.

10:36 You know, you're getting the tweets come through and the number of followers that you have usually doesn't go down. I mean in your case maybe because if you're bumbling but generally speaking although mine every once in a while I see it ticked down one cause some guys fed up with me but generally speaking that group stays there or they keep getting this stuff although they may even abandon the service which is probably more likely to happen uh... with twitter so it's a different kind of a mechanism you don't have to actually go to the blog the blog comes to you exactly i know what the point that was but i don't know if we should be trying to say no one and now that you mention it that probably didn't have anything really is so there's an action as i wasn't not listening to what you were saying

11:29 I was searching around for this link that i had on the drop. There was an executive order pushed through yesterday, which I'm just trying to...I hope you heard of this Which allows basically we now have a national security guy who sits on top of the CIA, NSA and FBI and it's all consolidated Yeah, well this has been going on for a while. They've been trying to get this guy... But this is happened! This Mike McConnell guy I think his name is? Is that who it is? Yeah let me just check because apparently what's in the actual executive order is pretty scary as in all kinds of powers at home in the homeland, in the hinterland

12:22 Yeah, no you know the way I when every time I see one of these things happen it just seems to me to be adding. I mean that I thought the Republicans were supposed to make government smaller this is as essentially this adds another layer bureaucracy because you know for a fact that this guy who's the Uber guy is going to have to have a huge staff, so they can all coordinate. And that staff is going to be staffed and they're gonna end up with one other layer of government that's probably gonna consist of two or three hundred people that are just looking at the other agencies. I mean it's ridiculous! It's not just a... it frightens me because this sounds like, it's almost like they're gearing up for something. You know? It's like they're just getting ready and also in it was I just can't find all these links I thought maybe it's in different place hold on

13:11 There also, so now also there can be government and private companies who now at the executive order will be taking care of our security at home? Yeah Blackwater. Well exactly! Exactly yeah you laugh it's not that funny dude I think a lot of it is just a money grab. I don't think there's that much, I mean I know what they're going to do... Oh you know they're setting up FEMA, setting up concentration camps Yes! Exactly! I'm right there! Detention camps yes indeed well but one thing you cannot deny Mr. Dvorak The financial system in United States is about end

13:53 You can't deny that. It's about to end! I mean... You know, if we were sitting here having this chat in around 1885, I could see the conversation going exactly- being almost identical. Right? And what happened in 1885? By the way, we could also have a conversation around eighteen uh you know when eight- when the Civil War broke out in 1860ish um The The government, despite the fact that the coffers were filled with money earlier... Well they had gold John. There was actual gold involved! Yes. That's the big difference. But the US government after the Buchanan administration

14:36 was bankrupt. There was no money in the... they gave all of them, this Buchanan guy gave all the money to the southern states and you know in advance of the Civil War and there was no money. In fact, the Civil War from a northern perspective had to be financed by Wall Street which is how Wall Street became as big or began the march of Wall Street toward running everything And essentially there's a number of books written about it, about how Wall Street banked the Civil War to keep the country together. Yeah but John hold on a second... I can see this paranoid conversation happening back then! But there are couple of big variables A we're totally dependent upon oil for everything we do in our life which by the way is pretty damn expensive

15:24 Wait a minute, I gotta have my glass of oil here to drink. Hold on there we go Oh yeah well what's your computer made of dude? Any plastic in there? I use a wooden computer with stone hard drive, dammit! It's solid state. No so there is a huge variable in there of oil of the dollar being the currency of oil you know that's... were we at war? We were about to go to war but we hadn't been fighting a war for five years which has been bleeding us dry it was actual gold and yeah it was still even though it was in the southern states the money was still in the country now its all in China

16:04 China's good. That's I figured it out man, China is sitting there Listen China sitting on trillions of dollars are saying holy crap this shit isn't worthless Let's go buy oil so they're just like buying oils like stockpiling this shit as much as they can to get rid of these dollars And you know about the big, this is a great theory. You know about the secret meeting of the house that happened on March 13th? But you're getting weirder by the week. Yeah I know my wife was actually looking up the term schizophrenic the other day Yeah, Christina told me she said hey mom and I were looking up schizophrenic on the computer said why because mom's afraid you might be one Said no kidding. Is it absolutely? I cop to it guilty as charged. I'm completely schizophrenic yeah maybe you think I'm growing weirder and And maybe I am or maybe I'm just seeing what's going on John. Yes. I mean way into this shit Okay, well go on with what you discovered

17:05 Okay, well so really I've been focusing all my attention around the finances. That's the main thing. Look at what is going on. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac completely now subsidized by the tax paying American. Completely! uh... and with seemingly no limit they just so into monday's is a huge earnings day so we're gonna find out how everything is going but again to you it's not going to be too great um... we have the to the oil is still at a hundred million under twenty plus dollars everyone has bankrupted banks are literally bankrupt what do we had another bank failure of the bank of florida failed yesterday now taken over by the fdic

17:52 There is no gold to back anything up. There's all kinds of hanky-panking going on between these central banks now, the European Central Bank has also opened up a 50 or has extended their $50 billion line to 55 billion dollars for...to support the Federal Reserve there's all kinds of shady shit going on And I just think that the money part is absolutely happening. The dollar is about to fall down, and I don't see how it can go any other way! What possibly can prop up the value of this? Oil prices can fall and international money traders can start pumping the dollar back where it belongs

18:44 It's all done by these traitors. The whole thing is a scam. So take me through it, so oil prices fall... let's say they have control over that which I believe. Oil prices fall to, let's just make it real easy John $50 a barrel That'd be nice. What's going to happen to the dollar then and why? I think the dollar is going to go up because it's just almost like a teeter-totter, The dollar should go up the other way and because essentially when you have cheap energy your cost of production goes down the base value of the country higher because your cost energy in other words it is a net gain I mean when you have to pay more to manufacture something because at the cost oil if they cause the oil goes down and did those do profit goes up

19:30 And so everything becomes, the numbers all change. The financials all change. The profits go up. The stocks go up. All these things change next thing you know. By the way when things start to heat up which they have to do if the oil prices finally drop to where they belong, then the Fed has to raise interest rates a little bit. And when you raise interest rates that makes everything more attractive to outside investors because they want high-interest rate countries... Right okay so let me just on that point... and boom! The dollar goes up So we're going back to normal But that's another point but right now the interest rate in the US is at 2%. The interest rate in Europe is 4.25% The interest rate in the UK is 5%.

20:17 Yeah. So that means there's a tremendous outflow of money right now from the US going into the UK I presume? Some Europe, but a lot of UK That would be a logical thing to assume Right Which is... Even though it might just you know a lot of is just You know transactions on the computer Yes it is Well none of its actual money thats the beauty of it so oil is now back up to $125 and that's of as of yesterday closing yesterday uh... that's the end by the way your two hundred dollar things not gonna happen well i spoke to my friend at haliburton yesterday uh... at a subsidiary of haliburton i said could you please tell me what does it actually cost to get the oil one barrel of oil out-of-the ground and he said i'll give you four prices why she is a give you two prices and i'm gonna tell you where this today he says so

21:14 A couple of years ago, it cost $2 a barrel to get it out of the desert. It costs about $20 a barrel to get it out of water so out of the North Sea. So he says now I can't give you exact prices what it costs to take money out but he says that the problem within oil industry is that there There are no resources, they can't get enough people. He gave me an example of a derrick, you know, a crane they use that three years ago would have cost $100,000 dollars a day he says today it is almost five million dollars a day to hire the exact same derrick crane that only costs 100 grand couple years ago and then he says thats because of the demand of China! China just wants all the oil they can get and he says that their stockpiling it

22:07 and therefore throwing the dollar back, and we're getting fucked. I know it John! I can feel it! You know they can only stockpile so much there's only so many tanks unless they make the whole country a tank farm Well they got those freighters circling around you know There are lots of freighters out there filled with oil At some point... And you know what? There is also a shortage of ships Yes, because they're all filled up with oil floating around. But these things are full! This thing is about to blow I'm telling you this collapse is going to be... and there's gonna be all this people running around waving their arms in the circle and they're gonna go oh my god what the hell happened how did this happen? How come we weren't told that was gonna happen? You know on all those kind of things because it's like gonna happen so quick you know these collapses do that, its a bubble

22:54 It's just obvious. Okay, so now we'll shift back to the financial system where now the subprime mortgages these banks have raised money and it turns out the money they raise wasn't even enough to cover the losses that are reporting and now the prime mortgages people are walking away there is reports everywhere of you know prime mortgage rates which or prime mortgages which is supposed to be like good Now people are defaulting on those I mean just seems like were in a meltdown You know, I'm just telling people here's the deal. The way I see it Okay We have a pop of public especially here in California that couldn't get a house Like 10 years ago or five years ago even just a few years ago And now we have this market collapsing and so now the prices are down there off typically 20% Yeah, it's gonna be a lot more No

23:48 It can't be a lot more because there's a population issue here and the shortage, and if you take a look at the housing starts there is none. The housing start chart is done! There's nobody building anything new. And people are having babies, people are getting older. There is a demographic shift toward California. There's no question that there's going to be shortfall of places to live most people who are renting or whatever Meanwhile, these are the same people that bitched and moaned and groaned. And they do have incomes that they couldn't get a place and they had to get in line and you're...people were buying over what their offering price was. It was like an auction system going on here in California where you'd put your house up for $700,000 and sell it for 900 or you put your house up for 1.2 and sell it for 1.4. Now is like you put it up for 1.2 and you're lucky to get 800

24:38 But there's no buyers. You know, this is the typical herd mentality out here it seems to me that if I want... Well hold on! There's no one who can get a mortgage anymore No one is writing out mortgages John you can't get a mortgage today Doesn't that seem like the whole thing is kind of rigged in some way shape or form for some odd reason? Yeah its rigged well if it's rigged then we're going to pay for regardless because were just printing money to bailout banks left and right I'm just saying, people should be scrounging. Whether or not you... Yeah okay there is a problem getting the money from these guys because they've been throwing it away and now they won't give you any and now their prices are good but it seems to me that you can find a way to get some money or at least do something to get into some of these cheap houses which are being a lot of them are being... There's some real good deals out here

25:31 Alright, so first of all the same is happening here and Patricia and I went looking for a house the other day and we had realtors literally come out of their stores. You know here in UK on High Street they have like 15 realtors on every corner and they were actually, you know we're just browsing in the window and they come out. They're like oh whoa it's just around the corner here I've got the keys! And oh the guy is negotiable. Sounds like a bunch of nightclubs in Northern Beach in the 60s. No seriously! The lady was like um... We haven't even, we are half way between their place and the house that we are going to look at. She said Oh you can take 25% off the asking price right off the top. We haven't even looked at the place yet. And she was already knocking it down It was amazing So Um

26:15 Have you ever heard of Lyndon LaRouche? Oh, everybody knows a Lyndon LaRouche. Yes what is his background? Uh, Lyndon LaRouche is like uh I um... It's hard to say. He ran for president a couple of times and he has a bunch of characters who are his followers, some of them get a lot of ink in fact I've linked one on my blog recently because it was something that he was doing We don't know whether he is a Nazi or a libertarian or communist

26:53 skewed is very much into your way of thinking yes it's a conspiracy has occurred hot shit going on and he has a lot of the stories to tell but it's the but he's got that he's got that demeanor of a guy who won't let anyone get awarding edgewise uh... won't go back and forth with questions and answers are you just a lecturer and there's about an almost appeal from his camper that way now that said uh... they're a funny group and in their i mean i love reading their stuff uh... there's always something in this kind of interesting but it does always you know but it has to be written in a propagandistic style which always makes me suspicious so that by depreciate you doing is uh... if you have any time over the weekend he's he did a an international webcast from washington dc on july twenty second down where and it's funny you say oh that because

27:45 He also came across at times to me as somewhat anti-semitic, certainly anti British which is funny. But he did have a couple of interesting things to say about George Soros which I learned a lot about and how he fits into the global financial picture but anyway he did this webcast which is about 35 40 minutes and actually answers about 10 questions I'm not going to say he actually answers every question, he goes into a little soliloquy as he's answering each one. But it was really interesting and and well basically he's saying for it over is a is done forget it dot the dollar was dollars going to zero so here's his theory how it's going to zero like that this is the mistake the another he didn't say he didn't say literally the dollars going to see you know he didn't say that's that's my paraphrasing but he said dot the dollars going to collapse he said and then we're gonna go straight into with the of course here comes the amero in the north american union

28:46 electronic money. We won't actually have paper money anymore. Yeah, yeah right! Yeah well I'm just saying John...just saying So you don't think it's going to be all that bad? I think the dollar has already collapsed. That is the point Yes, well it has been collapsing for... The whole system has been collapsing for 25 years And now its bottoming out! You know these things dont go on to... People think when things are going well like the market is going up and going up It will go to infinity It never does! It goes in... Whoa! It craps out When things are going down especially near the bottom They think they can keep going down when obviously bottoming out I had a friend of mine who was stock broker

29:27 who actually owns a brokerage, and he's going singing the blues to me. And he's going on and on about how horrible things are getting in there, they're horrible in the band, it was the same stuff you were saying. I'm thinking this guy is like in the business. So then I said well what? He said no here's this, everything he described sounds like a bottom. It was like, you know the all the banks are busted. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and all the rest of them go into receivership or whatever system they end up in. That's it! We'll just keep printing money which every single dollar you print is devaluing them? What do you mean that's bullshit?! Are they going to be knocking on their door

30:10 Dvorak give us your money. No, this is how bad it's gonna be no What's gonna happen John? Is this is all gonna come down right at the moment that once again I'm coming to San Francisco and not only are they going to take my laptop from me They're gonna throw me in the fucking jail And then they can throw me didn't one of these goddamn camps. They've been building and you'll never hear from me again Yeah Well let me make a note Thanks buddy My pal So here's a guy... Where is Curry, man? I don't know. Dude haven't heard from him! He's in Gitmo man getting waterboarded Listen so this is obviously an intelligent guy you're telling me you I mean you haven't been in his business necessarily Wait wait wait Your friend who owns a brokerage Oh yeah yeah oh no he's like the rest of these guys when you're in it You know every you know if your foot doctor everything you see as a foot

31:05 So it's like, you know there is all this thing that says bad stuff and they think it's going to be nothing just get worse. But thats... You know he's like a typical momentum guy which brokers tend to be if things are going well they're gonna go well forever If things are going bad they're gonna get worse I mean thats all im saying And I think we're at the bottom I think its bouncing off the bottom No I think your oversimplifying one thing and that is That Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have an open door to the printing press That, you just can't deny. It's fundamentals if you keep on propping up those two five trillion dollar debt companies with money that your essentially printing it just devalues the dollar even more am I wrong? It's a...that amount of money that you just mentioned is spit in the bucket in terms of making the dollar move one way or another its not that much Really

32:02 I mean if it was 10 trillion, yeah. I'd say well... Okay 5 and 10 big deal so but look essentially here's how it went down this is no I understand what the American government did hear me out is very much what Enron did They had all, basically they have all these off-book transactions. And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are off book, they're not on the United States or they weren't on the US books! You know it wasn't a liability or an asset but they were kind of implicitly guaranteed... ...and now that's come to fruition something no one thought would ever really happen

32:39 And that means we have to continue to prop these companies up. So, you know 5 million 10 million if ten million does move the needle but five million doesn't I mean it's going to move the needle somewhat It's gotta make a difference I don't know. Yes, see? I think it's all been taken to account. I'm really convinced if...I think if the stock market hits 10 thousand that's the absolute bottom It would be nice if it did because that is what I've been hoping it would do That will be the absolute bottom and from there the thing is going to skyrocket! I am telling you we got a boom ahead. Boom times ahead! Hmmmm....It better be. My whole book thesis is based on a small boom.

33:22 But not for long, but I'm just saying. So you're about the only guy... so 2012 is your boom time? Is that when it's all going to boom? No no no we're in a full-blown depression in 2012. You know next year I think we're gonna have a pretty solid boom. Okay, so how about the US auto manufacturing companies who just reported 15 and 1⁄2 billion dollars of losses? We already have really high unemployment that's going to put another hundred thousand people into an unemployment when these companies fail. That sounds like the bottom of me. We make shit cars, that's the bottom? When people have no money the gas prices are three and a half to four bucks. Well it's not the top! They got no food... It's definitely not the top but I mean the bottom that's like disaster John I mean then how do you climb out of that what do we do we don't make anything except war stuff

34:13 Well, I guess we can make more. We can make more war stuff! Exactly! Exactly... By the way, I think we could totally use that war stuff to do other cool things with. You know what? We could make stickers- Airlines are going out of business every single day John They're literally going- The president of KLM said this week he said if Martin Air doesn't get bought they're gonna be bankrupt Yeah well there's too many airlines out there anyway How many airlines do you need? Dude, there's a lot of people traveling and this is... A lot of the economy depends upon that. Particularly in a continent like Europe where we do business in different countries all the time Get on the train So not to change the subject but I was thinking about this public transportation in the United States so uh... I wanted to take a train

35:17 from the Bay Area to Seattle. Yeah, I'm listening now here's what it so I so i can drive the Seattle from San Francisco and takes about 14 hours and cost maybe about 150 bucks in gas depending maybe little more maybe now I could take the train to Seattle and it takes 24 hours now it seems to me that public transit is costs more yeah And I've been noticing that most public transportation, people have been moaning and groaning. Oh the public transportation in United States you know we need to put more of it in or we need do this and we need to do that. How about making the ones that we already have in somewhat efficient? I made the calculation on the Amtrak train from the Emeryville or Oakland station to Seattle. Based on amount of time it takes them get from here to there when it stops every so often, It goes 39 miles an hour

36:20 This is a passenger train. If it went twice as fast or averaged 80 miles an hour, it would get there in 12 hours which would beat the car and probably cost the same amount of money And you'd have a very interesting business case for leaving on a red-eye or sleeper car at 10 at night and getting into Seattle 930 or ten in the morning Nice and fresh refreshing to ready-to-do business as opposed to jumping on if you had a ten o'clock meeting in seattle from san francisco dot the get on a seven thirty flight actually when he make it again on six thirty flight you'd be up there about eight thirty and then you'd be in seattle graph from the airport around nine fifteen maybe nine and but you'll be all beat up yes and uh...

37:08 But you know, it's like... So the reason why that doesn't happen John is because all these commercial companies of this privatized transportation they're also all leveraged out their ass. They've also played the game they got no money to invest in this shit nor do they care! Boy your a pill today I am, i really am It's the schizophrenic side coming out I don't think so. You're like this all the time, and that's what people don't get. Because i worry about this stuff John! I really do! All you know... That's because you have all this money. No it..you know what? I really don't give a shit although I am-I have ordered gold. So I want some bars of gold dammit! I want to hold on to them What are you paying an ounce for right now? Uhh I dunno what is it 900 bucks something like that It's too high

37:58 Anyway, so... Alright what else we want to talk about? I don't want to bore people with our half-baked economic philosophies. You call them half baked! Okay that's alright. They're half baked but we don't know what were talking about Just because the trains go 39 miles an hour i made the calculation Right okay and all im saying is because these companies of course you're right Of course your right We've got trains that goes 300 miles per hour Yeah, that's it. It's good yeah but you know there is no money to put that... Can you imagine a 300 mile an hour train? The thing is they want do high speed train from San Francisco to Los Angeles and now they're gonna have all these initiatives the problem is there was huge mountain in between San Francisco and Los Angeles on the other side of the San Fernando Valley. In fact it snows down there on this mountain. It's a mountain that most our mountains go up-and-down you know longitudinally or uh... yeah up-and-down like north south and this is east west

38:55 bunch of hills that called the grapevine and you it's a bit so you got to drive over it since I painful and there's no way they can get a train high-speed train to shoot over the top in the night and drill hole through it. So, that high speed train to LA is not going happenless again they might be able to skirt skirt as the coast maybe whatever The point is that there's not as much of an issue going, although there is kind of in Oregon. There are a couple hills. Which is why airplanes are so beautiful man because they do get you there!

39:32 No, mountains aren't the problem. Yeah but there's no... you know a 300 mile an hour train has its appeal You go to the train and people who don't go to Europe much The listeners on this side of the water They haven't been on these trains I mean you have two things that you have to understand One, the trains aren't always going three hundred miles per hour In fact they clunk along A lot at low speeds And then they hit the track Then turn it up These trains are more convenient if you're doing a trip that's less than, say, couple hundred miles. But they are great! The train down to Brussels as an example is fantastic

40:16 And they have a speedometer up on the wall, you can look at yourself faster going. It's kind of fun and the problem I have with the high-speed trains in Europe is that because there are dedicated tracks when they're going at high speeds, the tracks tend to be buried in a gully and so you don't get a view of anything Especially the ones in France that you think they would trade. There's literally walls on each side I think isn't it like cement walls or something? In a lot of situations there are because it keeps people from getting cows, I guess, from going on the track. From getting sucked in Yeah one of those fuckers goes by man and you're gonna get sucked along

40:56 So the, so you go to from Paris to Bordeaux in a high-speed train. Yeah it doesn't take very long but it's like you don't see anything! It's like the boringest ride ever! Don't they have in seat video? I think some of them do and I'm not remember that yeah they should Well, I mean you know...I don't remember seeing... Just turn on the HypnoBox man. It's like that makes everyone... But the point is that they were the regular actually the regular old trains to fit the transit don't go as fast but they still do a hundred plus miles an hour are better more fun

41:35 There's a video somewhere of some kid on YouTube, I should find that again. And he actually hitches a ride on the back of one of these bullet trains and he has like these suction cups they use to carry big panes of glass so he uses those two and he suctions himself onto the back of one of these bullet trains and rides along with his helmet cam It's a fa... and this was, he was like terminally ill I think. And so he wanted to do something cool before he died. To kill himself? Well no he didn't! He didn't kill himself. Wow The result the result was the same except we got a great YouTube video out of it Oh yeah I'll dig that one up If you get the guy's name yeah i'll send ya link I'll find it for you What did they do arrest the guy afterwards or they didn't even notice No no no no They didn't arrest him Not that I know of He was pretty well known for it

42:28 Maybe look aren't you? It seems to me that he's getting a ride for free. They should at least charge him the fare. Let's see, bullet train... Bruno the Kid... I can't remember. So it was one of those, in Europe? One of the fast trains there? Yeah Germany's bullet train. The ICE! That's the inner continent or whatever that is called. Before he died from leukemia, the train rider enjoyed the last year of his life by surfing on trains including Germany's fastest high speed train ICE with a top speed of 330 km per hour

43:10 That's a nice train, by the way. I've been on the ice a couple of times and it's... In fact if you go to the C-Bit show most people stay out of town and this always takes about an hour to get into Hanover And The Smart Money stays in Hamburg which is actually the furthest away but there is a one hour ice train that runs from Hamburg and stops at the show Which is and it leaves like every 20 minutes, you know You notice how today you're telling the people listening to this show. You're telling them all about European stuff And I'm telling them all about American stuff You're trying to deflect attention away or something really you're trying to deflect the attention away from The failing United States of America You just think that you just think I'm a kook do you watch me? Yeah, I got my guy right here

44:05 I got my orders. Okay, let's see here it says okay this week John you are required to talk mostly about Europe take the it take the emphasis right here take the emphasis off that troubles here in the US who sent this in? And then it has about three or four other little talking points and then this came, you know comes in by a special red line fax which is something not too many people know about. It's your official talking points here's what we're doing guys oh man did you uh... have you been following that story about the anthrax guy well that's a real interesting story I love stories like that so this is the guy who was he was about to be accused

44:50 of being involved with the anthrax letters that were sent out after 9-11. Although he'd already been uh... acquitted of of that charge in a bin paid five million dollars and then i don't know no that's not all that state that was another guy said that day actually named publicly as a person of interest in their own his reputation he's the one always a good idea yet is a different dot okay so they were going to get this guy who will by the way it was in the government at the end of the day is coming from the government if you came from him And there was an article Friday in the LA Times, I believe where he said oh yeah you know i'm pretty sure i'm going to be indicted or and then he kills himself.

45:33 Yeah. He suicides himself, he was suicided with Tylenol and codeine please massive quantities here's a guy who knows how to put anthrax together and he is going to kill himself let me think what is the best way? Oh I'm gonna eat 15 bottles of Tylenol! Right if I don't kill myself then I am gonna be in dialysis for the rest of my life Really that makes... yeah way to go really credible suicide Yeah, that was a... well the other thing about that if you're gonna.. If it was an assassination Which of course is what we all presume. Well we do Being the nut balls that we are I'm glad you're in on this one with me John That's cool Oh yeah absolutely Welcome aboard! Welcome to The Pleasure Dome This one has crackpot conspiracy Has CIA all over it doesn't it?

46:28 So, uh... so the guy it seems to me that the guy would have like been shot himself in the head with a left-to-suicide note and he would've been set up better if it was done professionally. Of course! I'm a little leery about..I think it was probably may have been done by co worker or maybe maybe they did kill him? I don't know. It just doesn't seem very slick. Massive quantities of Tylenol. Someone doesn't just kill you with that, ya know It doesn't make sense. Of course not! I mean, of course it could have been the autopsy could have been rigged but the whole thing is like just...it makes you shake your head it's either an amateur hour version or maybe not?

47:09 You know, maybe this is the new way to do things which is to make it look like an incompetent guy killed himself. I don't know! Who knows what the thing is? You know what I think...I think we talked about this last week. I think they finally figured out that there's so much media and crackpots like us that it's better just to do something really, really wacky so that people can come up with all these conspiracies because then you could always just discredit them as being nut jobs. I mean that's the easiest way! It seems so obvious... You know what? I'm thinking you might have nailed it and I would think let's say I was in the assassination squad of some agency and it doesn't necessarily have to be one of ours

47:50 You might get to the point where you could be Russian, I mean it could be Chinese. I mean you don't know who this guy... any of the connections here. Let me give you a hint. Well we just don't really know what... We don't really know the real story here and never will but let's just say that you were in some... This guy was taken out What point do you do so many of these things that say, hey I got an idea. Let's try this one out and see what they think? Yeah just experimenting let's see how many bloggers come up with shit about this one here let's say he died of massive amounts of Tylenol yeah with codeine yeah please... This guy was a scientist! He had access to anthrax he knew about how that shit worked

48:40 Why wouldn't he just like have a little lick of his own shit? Well, you know if you're in a big lab and having worked in one I'm not gonna give away too many secrets but there's some stuff in there. Yeah! You can kill yourself immediately If you wanted to kill yourself it would be fast and painless Absolutely. And it's right there, I mean it is right there in the lab you can just go over there and some cases you might have to check it out but what difference does that make? Okay I checked out the bottle of XYZ You know you just take a little dab and put on your tongue and boom! That's it. So this makes no sense. There was an interesting case over here Have you ever heard of Jill Dando or the Jill Dando murder

49:25 No, never heard of Jill Dando. Jill Dando was the darling of British television in the 90s and I'm not quite sure how early on she started but she was huge She was just beautiful perfect woman that you could do all your news serious news programs where she could do other entertainment type shows fantastic! She gets shot one day in London right in her forehead in front of her home. And so they wind up convicting a guy, and so they had no evidence, they had no murder weapon, they had no motive They had one guy who had like an 75 IQ who would have been lurking around clearly mentally disabled retarded person he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time So they convicted this guy They just let him go, they exonerated him

50:24 the other day, like two days ago after his case went back to trial and he was found not guilty. And so now everyone's starting to say you know where did this one come from? So this is really interesting First it was a... whenever they switch police chiefs on this kind of stuff that's when you gotta be kinda wary. There's like a new police chief and then instead of a Russian caliber you know, like 9mm weapon that she'd been killed with. It was all of a sudden it was an English Browning and they're thinking that maybe it had to do with the...it was retaliation for the Bosnian War when the US and UK jets bombed a television station so then they decided they take out, you know, a couple of our TV people There's all kinds of crazy theories whizzin' around about this one

51:14 Wow. Yeah, that's good. That's bloggable! Oh it is very bloggable. It is fascinating stuff So this woman was assassinated? Yeah, right. I mean she was shot right in her forehead boom you know like right in the middle yeah by a pro yeah except no they get the retarded guy walking around you know who can we stick this on probably position them like hey stand here for second buddy don't move I'm telling you, it's crazy.

51:59 the person was selected. So there has to be something she maybe they're I don't know, maybe she was connected to somebody or she said something or I dunno what do you think? Does anyone... What's the theory over that can't just be something that simple is this well we're you know you bombed our TV station so were gonna shoot your anchor. Yeah theres a couple different stories and have only kinda glanced through them but uh i think she might've been she might have been doing one there might have been a profile piece that she was doing a journalistic piece and there's all kinds of stuff i'd haven't really gone down the road early in tv people are really journalists are just talking heads yet and they don't do them as original reporting although you know now it's having said that i get two or three notes oh yes we do you know yeah they do you know and rather always has a voice like dan rather for that yeah well he's been a bigger better reporter than anything else so there is always better reported any was a anchor

52:51 uh... any still doing it uh... even though he's ninety now is that i think looks like a team and then you can't get up into the world that thing about rather which you do you can afford to go to know if they had botox or what but he doesn't seem bill movies face so he has this kind of like eighty-eight It looks like he's stuffed as a matter of fact. He just sits there with his blank look and you know, he asks the right questions and it gets the right, you know And he does some really good stuff on this HD net You know mark Cuban channel because I can't have pieces rights and really expensive stuff Yeah, he does the old-fashioned Expensive reporting where you have to actually, you know spend a lot of money bring our whole crew around the world You know, you know, he's not going on cut in coach

53:38 And so he does this expensive style old-fashioned reporting that nobody can afford. And it's always really interesting, but of course it has the same impact it's always had—none! You know, he did a thing on all the border wars and the drug dealing along with the U.S. Mexican border and now because you know because if it's not on all the networks at the time for at least The 24-hour news cycle and on the news networks, and then all the newspapers. It just it didn't happen right So you have a very small segment of the population I don't know how many people watch HD now But it's not sure as many that watch NBC I can assure you You know so yes a few people that know about this stuff and whatever and rather did his job

54:23 So I thought, this is something you probably... You might have blogged. This major discovery from MIT that's going to unleash the solar revolution? Yeah, I blogged it! It's a fraud! Well what it is, it's the hydroxy booster! It's the exact same system that I'm using in my car now That's why really caught my eye because its basically using a solar panel to create electricity then use hydrolysis to create hydrogen and then store that hydrogen which of course is it's a gas you can store yeah yeah you can store good luck well why do you say it's a fraud I mean this isn't big news? It's like, no...it's bullshit story. I was all excited! You're like harshen my mellow John. Anything thats got to do with the hydrogen seems to get you all poked out. No, he's MIT with a quote major discovery. I should mention the people out there that hydrogen is extremely difficult to store

55:21 It does, it leaches through. I mean you have to have really thick tanks. Oh yeah there's a blimp! They store great in Zeppelins Yeah it leaked out of those things too that's the problem The atom is so small that it can actually go through steel and come out the other side And it does that and in fact I used to work when I was air pollution inspector we used to inspect one companies over here in Richmond that had a big giant globe of hydrogen. It was this monstrous tank of hydrogen because they used it to hydrogenate oils, which of course is the pump hydrogen do you know what they say polyunsaturated? You know we need poly... They take polyunsaturated oil and polyunsaturated means it's not saturated with hydrogen

56:09 And so, then they saturate it. So you take a polyunsaturated oil like a safflower oil and then you pump it up with hydrogen and you can make this kind of ersatz margarine out of it but now its got a bunch of this stuff pumped in there the guy told me by the way... Wait wait wait! You make margarine from hydrogen? No, no. You use the hydrogen to saturate the oil with hydrogen over with some catalysts and it's a process but the hydrogen is the key. And that creates margarine? It create... yeah well it makes the oil... Yeah does basically essentially anyway so

56:53 It's a weird process, but that's boiled down to its basics. But anyway the guy says they can pump enough hydrogen into any of these oils that are healthy oils and he said we could actually turn it into brick if we wanted too. I just want to make sure one thing on August 2nd 2008 John C. Dvorak discredits the MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology and says this is a bullshit discovery. Can I just quote you John? Bullshit discovery. It's bullshit. What is it intended to do this bullshit just to get MIT on the map again or... Oh that's a good publicity stunt but let me finish my story about the hydrogen.

57:41 So anyway, so they got this huge tank of hydrogen outside. This is when I first found out about the hydrogen problem with storing it. I know...I've talked to other people at gas companies, you know compression compressed gas companies who also told me some things I needed to know about these hydrogen-powered fuel cell cars and how they're never gonna ever get them to work because they can't get enough hydrogen stored. Anyway, the point is that the hydrogen seeps through the tank and leaches out constantly, so essentially hydrogen coming off this thing. And every so often they have to have these gauges and then they have to go out and inspect the tanks constantly because occasionally it'll catch on fire!

58:24 But it's not like a fire, it's not like its blowing up or anything. It just...it's like a wick So the steel itself is actually a wick for the hydrogen and once it catches on fire The hydrogen then gets sucked through the steel and forms apparently an invisible blue flame all around the dome Oh man Which can burn for days and they have to be really careful because it heats up the damn thing No shit And then it could blow up And so they have to constantly monitor this tank for the leaching hydrogen just to make sure it's not burning. I'm thinking, this is horrible! This whole process... Okay but this was how many years ago? You think they've maybe perfected this since then? No. No they haven't

59:08 Why, what's there to perfect? I don't know. Hydrogen is a small atom that can go through anything over time and it's like this is the way it is now they when they compress it a lot and make it makes little more difficult I don't think its leaching through necessarily although I have to talk to an expert through these tanks which now on the hydrogen fuel cell cars, these tanks to get as much hydrogen in there as they need. These tanks have got the hydrogen pressurized at 10 thousand pounds per square inch. Oh that's frightening! You're a driving bomb You're driving this little, but oh no it's rupture proof. They got all these- Brought to you by Halliburton! It's rupture proof everybody! So they go these rupture proof tanks and there is a whole bunch of them in these cars to get enough because they are some magic number that have to get things going one full fueling...they want the car to 350 miles or 300 miles I used to know what the numbers now but its something higher than they can do

1:00:07 and without making a million tanks in there, it's impractical at some point. But meanwhile they got these rupture-proof tanks filled with hydrogen at 10 thousand pounds per square inch that's the current state of the art. It seems to me that these systems are just impractical I mean its kind of modern and interesting but... And the other thing by the way not to belabor the point trying to get off topic a little bit I've driven these cars, about five or six different ones because on the list of guys who get to look at these cars and they have a showcase of them every so often. They make this horrible sound when you drive them! The hydrogen running through the membrane is this old-fashioned membrane that makes the whole process work

1:00:58 the fuel cell, which is apparently not new. They think if they can make that better they might be able to make this whole system work better but anyway you drive around and if you gun it give it full tilt. You just pump it, floor it The thing goes, you know like a regular car not quite as fast I don't think it's the gasoline engine at least the ones i've driven. But it goes, takes off but starts to make this high-pitched scream kind of like a cat being choked but really loud and every one of the cars that have been driven makes the same noise and is very annoying its screeching strange screeching sound that is unpleasant

1:01:43 So I've asked these guys about it. What's the deal with the noise? Yeah, when the hydrogen goes through here and makes this noise apparently it's you know...I don't know. I don't like them! Okay well we learned a lot about hydrogen. A little bit here on Romper Room and we've also gotten a lot of Twitters by the way about your hydro botox whatever they are, the Hydroxy booster yeah people who say it can't work it's impossible it'll never work right well there's that but I sided with you saying that you know if you're getting it's possible, it seems to me that if you get this hydrogen and oxygen out of the mix Yeah Reintroduce it into the fuel that it might make the fuel burn more efficiently. It's possible Well, then you would get a net energy gain I think that's possible but But I also agree with the guys who wrote in and there have been a lot of them

1:02:38 It's got to be producing a lot of excess water coming out of the exhaust system and rusting out your tailpipe. That is possible, I'll have a look But I have also thought about this, and the only other two things that are possible here is A. Maybe the engine management computer has adjusted itself and just given me a better performance overall because they're so detuned to meet environmental specifications So, that's a possibility. The onboard computer was definitely messed up when I introduced this hydroxy into it. Two... maybe i'm just driving differently although I did the test on cruise control you know you can't always keep it on cruise control and maybe I didn't.. who knows? There could be difference there or indeed what your saying is actually has some effect

1:03:37 It might, but the thing about the computer... a couple guys wrote me mentioning that they had used found or they knew people you can get chips for most of the cars out there. You can make it, you could really lean the mixture do whatever you want. Well just make it work better so its not oriented toward less pollution but oriented toward better performance. Exactly. One guy claims that he was getting like you know, 18 miles to the gallon and then he put in a new chip and he was getting like 30. I thought that was a bit extreme. I mean, I could see getting a few more miles per gallon but it's possible that people should just be swapping out their computers for these cars and whatever is not environmentally cool but... It's cruel though! Yeah. I mean we're paying this much for gasoline, whatever

1:04:39 I must agree with you, Daniel Nocera of MIT he does look pretty dorky. Well he's from MIT for God sake! You know about this right? They have a facial recognition system that all the applicants at MIT they have to look like dorks or you can't get in Did you know that? No i didn't know that. True. Jesse Ventura is going to speak at the big Ron Paul rally for The Republic Get his autograph Here's what I want to do. And, I think... because you're going to be the host of this thing? Yeah not on the second night. I'm in the minor leagues at the rally Well whatever! You're gonna get to see Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura I'm thinking Yes, yes. Of course. I want you to get me an autographed baseball

1:05:35 I decided that the coolest thing in the world is an autographed baseball because for one thing, the ink on that skin, you know, leather's made but it seems to stay for a long time. And I think I'm going to start collecting autographs but only on baseballs And I think it would be cool to have a baseball with like, you know Ron Paul and just a whole bunch of people. Let me get a baseball of the MeVEO group in San Francisco Just have everybody sign the baseball. Okay alright so then here's an idea for ya John Why don't you be my guest? And come out to the Rally For The Republic Meet some of our friends

1:06:14 And I'll get you in to get, you know... You bring the baseballs. Alright? You bring your little baggie of balls and I'll get you in to get the autographs from Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura. Is this thing on? I'm not gonna do your dirty work you start your own collection damn it. Okay, do that for you Won't even give me a baseball autograph. No way oh hi. Hi dr.. Ron can I kiss? I'm a baseball for my friend John who thinks that I'm a crackpot and we're all crackpots in your crack pot I Don't think so Judas no way not gonna show up. I might come well Let me know let me know cuz I can totally hook you up yeah, sure So

1:07:02 I think there's another convention going on at the same time. The Republican Convention? Oh, is it the Republican Convention? Yeah! I thought he said he was doing it during the Democrat convention because he didn't want to interrupt a Republican convention No no... He's doing it during the Republican- When's the Democrat convention? I don't know, I don't know, end of August I think. Or wait may take you back, I think the Democrat conventions been cancelled No, it hasn't. Oh dude! You gotta see this Lyndon LaRouche when he talks about Obama I can't believe you're now just discovering Lyndon LaRouche What can i tell ya? Okay, I'm on Johnny Come Lately So... He has this whole rap on Obama which is fascinating It's like Obama, he's working for the

1:07:54 the enemy Britain. Our enemy which is Britain. If you could only get Lyndon LaRouche's accent because he has got this weird way of talking. He does, he does... You know what? That is a guy we need to baseball from okay? From Lyndon LaRouche so he lays in his whole rap about how George Soros' finance uh... and completely programmed in his running albama and then that you know it and as he was like he's i get cost three-quarters of a billion dollars but the other going to get all the way up to the finish line and there was only intended to destroy hillary because he'll never be voted uh... at you know killed him they'll never get into the president so it was never intended to be that way and they're gonna destroy him before the year out before the elections i don't know if this report

1:08:44 the official democratic candidate. No, it would have to be after because if the whole thing was to get at Hillary... Right! It would have to be after. He wouldn't play ball with some British. Exactly. Then it would have to be after. So you should figure there's got to be something. You've gotta hear that rap though man. It is amazing and he goes into this whole thing about how George Soros kept Britain out of the Euro by all..you know..that he was supposed to be the guy that bankrupted the pound Remember that yeah, you know did I think they give George Soros more credit than he deserves That's possible. You know I mean the guys he shows up here and there Yeah, you know He's behind move on dot org they say he's behind this in that high You know how much time is there in a day? I mean I can barely keep my office clean Well, you don't know what these guys you always gotta do all day is stroke his white pussy and go muhahaha Yeah Blofeld as the reference for anyone who doesn't get that

1:09:47 so uh... and soul um... we'd let is the linda larouche thing on you to borrow goers are sensitive larouche pack dot com i think a lot well it does if i get if i can find in on youtube or someplace all posted on the blog designing people love that i mean the guy's very entertaining when he was running for president was on tv all the time here here you go giving these same speeches there's a link of anyone ago too his new webcast You should watch that you'll enjoy it. No, I will I actually do enjoy listening to him because it's like you just shake your head I ran into one of his Protege I wasn't shaking my head on going like yeah, we're all gonna die We're all gonna die he literally says that Johnny says we're gonna die Fantastic so you were talking about earlier about your struggling with I wanted to bring this up before we've finished off you were talking about

1:10:50 You had set up your sound thing and you couldn't get it fixed, and you forgot how it worked because you haven't used for such a long time. And I was like...I had to post a little Mevio bug on or a Textra bug at the bottom of one my websites which is IPTVDaily.com Yeah It's a Joomla not a WordPress bug content manager that I was using. And, I realized that I set this thing up about two and a half years ago and you're using Joomla when I actually could and then I had to go in and fix some... You know do some they had the hand tweak the template I had to drop this thing it's

1:11:29 It took me hours and hours and hours, I called people that kind of knew. And it was the same story yeah you can't... A lot of these open source public projects are never really designed to be easy. They're designed by the guy for himself in this works or doesn't but it was like if you're not playing with some of this stuff constantly, you forget how to use it which really makes me suspicious. Not like bicycle riding is not the case. You get on a bicycle and you know how balance yourself and go pedal but it's like best example for anybody out there if you can find a computer, an old clunker that's running Windows 3.1 I would advise you go see if you can even make it work

1:12:19 Because there was a thing called file manager and it was, you know... It's just that you can't figure it out. How do I get anything to even run? And that was the machine that you probably used for years, literally years and use on daily basis if you go back then you can't figure how to use it What is wrong with this picture? Well its progress It just baffles me that you can't, after using something for years and years... You go back and don't know how to use it anymore. Yeah! I don't have that problem too much. Well you just did today, that's the point

1:13:03 Well, that was a little different because I only set that up once. It's like it was big ball of wire... Okay you're right but during that period when you set it up you had the thing down and knew you would have to... Well okay yes so let me say this my reliance upon that was incredibly large So I guess the point is when you set up systems to run and then you base other stuff that your doing on top of that, there's more abstractions. And as your life gets easier there are all these little nuggets of shit that kind of work somehow and if one breaks it's crazy to have to go figure it out which essentially what every web 2.0 company in the world has Pretty much

1:13:50 Now we're gonna... I just find it annoying that, maybe I just wanted to complain. Okay well you're real downer there Yeah well I brought the whole show to a screeching halt So what now? We were supposed to talk about something like either last week or the week before You know we keep saying this and this bothers me by the way again uh... we we we t something for the next show and then we never revisited ever in this is always bother me i don't have your watch tv or listen to radio when you have a talk show guy and he says yeah will be there and all of that uh... you know no kid beef up uh... venture fund out would be right back here with that story more after this and they never heard it as a matter of fact let me go look at both the show notes maybe

1:14:41 maybe it's something that is going to be in there. Well, it could be... Maybe Bubba should be responsible for sending us a talking points memo. You guys are supposed to talk about this last week so you should talk about it because your gonna get somebody mad although I don't think our listeners really care but anything we have to say no its just those dulcet tones I don't know, what else? Well i'm looking at... How about let's talk about Obama. He hasn't been in the news much. Well uh...I was watching Jon Stewart last night and he had pretty good montage and it was all the talking points clearly announced you know is obama too arrogant yes the latest yeah and jon stewart was fantastic the guy running for president what do you mean of course

1:15:41 Now, maybe that's all the setup. Maybe that's the whole Soros game who knows? The yeah it's Soros is behind the whole thing so Letterman's got a new thing called the annoying word of the day and he did one the other day And I did he pulled a Stewart which was to collect a series of clips Repetitive talking point clips yeah, right Which I think by the way is great because it really shows you know I think it's great for the public to see because then you realize that this Is like these things like it's a setup like that's how the media works and they all come to me is yeah at the media sucks essentially i exactly see his ideas in his first word for this series isn't deep stakes okay and i think it was a very safe space as it was going on can have a little much of the peace we've states yet the vp device president sweepstakes then there is and the word is veep steaks

1:16:36 And I swear to God, he must have found 75 separate and distinct references to these idiots going veepstakes-veepstakes with logos and logos about veepstakes. A guy saying it was amazing! He must have a new person on his staff that came from Stewart Show or something. that just you know I don't know how he's hittin' it up because that what gets people going and me, I always think Letterman... He's a rebel you know. He's doing his bit. He's trying to wake people up to show what's going on. I think Letterman is one of the best entertainers we've seen for a long time. He's a natural

1:17:14 I mean, he's always been... He's got that grumpy quality that he seems to be like a grumpy guy but he's naturally funny. He's go the good lines. Has nice sense of what a show should be like. And now he has recurring gags. The one he's been doing for the last couple years which is always good for cheap laugh is a thing called Great Moments in Presidential Speeches. Yes! Oh, I love that one you know he shows a few clips from here and there and then he has to do they will show like Kennedy saying it's been a Berliner yeah I have the big beyond the end of the big species L talking doing one thing or we always have fear you know and so he has these many cuts to a George Bush stand in a podium

1:18:01 He's saying something really stupid and it's like, day after day after day. Every day he does this and it's always Bush in some other venue saying something stupid or stammering or getting confused. Yeah but you know why don't ya? Because that's actually a clone! It's not actually Bush, its a clone Bush Look at Bush when he entered the White House in 2000, man. And look at a picture of him now! That's a clone man that's a different guy it's not the same guy We actually said couple years ago and I had to dig this up but unfortunately the search engine on my own blog i can't find anything I gotta get...I think I'm gonna have to put Google on it or something anyway

1:18:43 The we did a there is a clip out there showing George Bush when he was a Still the governor and you know, they bunch of the way He spoke in the way it was extremely fast on his feet quick-witted Sounded intelligent and then they cut to the other clips which is him You know three years into his job you know, beat up looking gray haired. You know slow witted saying dumb things. And it reminds me of the Star Trek episode where the guy was in this planet that was filled with Nazis. Remember this one? And they had a guy who was sent down from the Federation and they had him doped up in the back, and then the Star Trek crew, Kirk, had to rescue him

1:19:37 and uh... the fight the nazi when there's a really hot nazi chick to other was always that way if you can have not seen without a hard-knocked she said yeah and but remind me to talk about that in a second now i'm done so if your view of the default max mosley story i don't know max mostly max mosely runs the richest motor sport in the world known as the formula one well that guy and the news of the world ran this huge story with pictures Max Mosley caught in Nazi sex orgy and they said they had pictures of these leather-clad women you know like spanking him

1:20:15 and he sued the news of the world, and he won this was early in the week. He won a very minor amount 60 thousand pounds And the reason why is because it was a privacy issue that first I guess he proved or the judge agreed that there was not a Nazi sex orgy It was just a sex orgy So they got that dropped but under privacy personal privacy, the news of the world was found guilty of revealing something they shouldn't have namely what this guy was doing and taking clandestine photos. And now he's going to sue them in civil court for damages and is doing this with a German magazine with a French magazine but the whole funny thing is it's like dude, Formula One you know? Of course you can have some Nazi sex orgy that's what that sport is about

1:21:14 So the way we look at it in the United States with this kind of thing, you wouldn't have won any suits because your right of privacy as a public personality is pretty limited. So it would be a tough go here. I think they're over there, their privacy things are...I think it's because the judge and most of those people over in Europe are probably having this action themselves and they don't like the idea of one of their guys. Boy! How do you come up with that? Why did you say that John? I just have this sense of it. Should I tell what is going on here? What's rumbling? That's really interesting you say that Do you recall the Dutroux case? It was a pedophile network

1:22:02 uh... from belgium this was a this came to light and i think uh... early nineties now nads didn't know well it's a along story but that this guy turned out to be part of the pedophile network which went into the highest levels of society governments justice departments police judges bankers you know and it is like a really long really really deep really really gory story But there's been a lot of these judges and politicians are, of course blackmailable because you know there is all this information about them. And right now there is something kind of brewing in the Netherlands where the highest guy in the Justice Department presumably has become blackmailable because he

1:22:53 had sex with underage boys in Turkey, the Turkish government found out about it. They made them get some Turkish businessman and throw him in jail for the rest of his life in Holland otherwise they'd reveal this stuff about this guy in the Justice Department I mean its all kind... really is so funny you say that because I've had that feeling for a long time and now there's this Jersey have you followed that? The island of Jersey No, tell me. Oh man this has been going on for a couple of months now. We don't get any news here in this country by the way so... Oh Jesus oh this is horrible So this also apparently has something to do with that Isle of Jersey which was it's very small island It's part of the United Kingdom but it has its own governance

1:23:38 So, its own officials and police force. There's some stories about in World War II how the Nazis used the island that a lot of the inhabitants collaborated on... I'm just talking out my ass here okay? So i'll tell you the facts as I've read them now and what I think have understood not the absolute truth So there was this orphanage, mainly for boys I think but it was mixed at some point. It's been there for a long time and there were always reports of abuse going on and you know hundreds of people was always kind of like ignored in these people are kinda nuts anyway so no one really paid any attention to it but now they made a discovery there was a bunker nearby and they found, you know like torture chambers and charred remains of children and 65 different baby teeth. And here comes the chief police all the sudden he's gone taking his pension now and he is leaving

1:24:37 and yeah, I mean this is like there's no information coming in or out. It totally stinks of something really nasty going on and it also...I've already seen it being linked to the true network. It's frightening. Wow! Yeah, if you want I'll send you a link but it's... Send me a link, it might be bloggable God man, you know I wouldn't even blog this link because there's a lot of photo evidence on it as well. It's gruesome! It is really gruesome Okay well whatever... I'll send it to you and you make the decision. At least give me some but yeah but its interesting This kind of stuff we don't- these are good stories that you'd think the media here would pick up on because you get some readership You know? As opposed to you know Always thinking commercial I love you John C Murdoch

1:25:30 I'm serious, these guys are running these stories about the first women's marathon in Marin County and what a big deal it is. That's important for the community! John what are you talking about man? You know that kind of crap as opposed to some real news. You'll love this story though Hmm, you'll love it. You really well I'm gonna follow up in the Jill Dando thing and the max mostly think probably not so much Oh Sorry sounds interesting this good stuff out there yeah, I mean there's a there's lots going on our world That can distract us from the financial demise Yeah that too all right

1:26:17 So I think we're at the one and a half point unless you got something else. Let me see what I got here, Mike. Let me see what else I've got from HQ and from the red facts on the talking points here because there's anything that I absolutely must talk about or else I'm going to lose my pension Who is giving that to you? Your wife or your son? No no this is from the government Of course New John Madden games coming out I did. There's redesigns, nothing here. Microsoft is doing another search engine and give me a break what is wrong with these people? Yeah really that poor company is just a mess

1:26:59 China, China and the Olympics. I don't think they're clearing up the air by the way. I'm not seeing any evidence of it. They're supposed to have like stopped everything and now they've had one of their worst air days the other day? And you can't see your hand in front of your face? That's a bad day! You know but it's not from fog kind of thing? Wow I don't know what they're gonna do. I didn't even know it had gotten that bad, I mean... Why is that? We were able to clean up our act, why didn't those guys get with the program?! You know we cleaned up Los Angeles kinda! No actually you still have the bowl problem because Los Angeles isn't a bowl and so makes it problematic but no yeah they put their pollution crap on the cars... But those guy are like the Chinese, they make our pollution catalyst

1:27:48 catalytic converters. They make that for us? You know what, in this day and age with all the technologies that are out there we can create we can build and we do build coal burning plants that put out almost nothing because we have you know they're shaking the bed of floating beds whatever they call them type a burners and they have scrubbers on the stacks and electrostatic precipitators on the stacks and all these things you could put on their that recover all the crap coming up to smokestack, the Chinese make half of that stuff. Why are they putting it on their own factories? I mean this is ridiculous that the Chinese... Electrostatic, that was a good word. Electrostatic precipitator. Precipitator. I bet you get laid saying that people don't ya

1:28:34 A couple times. Electrostatic precipitator, baby I got one in my bed Actually i have an electrostatic precipitator uh... in my office They're actually a very good method for cleaning room air too because they take out all the pollen and pretty much anything that's floating around dust So not one of those ionizers? No, electrostatic precipitator is what you want. The ionizer thing is kind of sketchy It's a sharper image favorite Yeah you know that the sharper image went broke too Thanks for reminding me Apparently that device didn't save them The only reason guys would actually go shopping with their women was if there was a sharper image in the mall and now thats gone Well I think theres still Brookstone, thats got alot of cool stuff Thats lame! Brookstone never has any cool techno gadgets it all has like outdoorsy stuff

1:29:20 Yeah, but there's still better than hammocks and stuff. Hammocks with counters on them. Click click 3 4 5. Exactly. So yeah no electrostatic precipitators are very cool But you can put all your they put these you know industrial ones on stacks and it just booms kills the smoke pretty much and then there's cyclones. I mean, there are a lot of things you can do and so apparently the Chinese didn't care so they just went on the cheap to build their factories which are... And then stupidly most of them are...I don't even know why this is? This is part that baffles me! Is why are these things blowing into Beijing when most of the... My impression was that Chinese were going to build most of these new factories

1:30:03 along the coastline of, you know around Suzhou and places like that. But now that I think about it, China's just got factories everywhere. And they've just gone berserk! They're just building crap like there is no tomorrow. I got a bad feeling about the Olympics. I have a feeling something bad is going to happen Well there was this new article, I haven't read yet but I just go in The New Economist front page article on how the Olympics has slowed down China's run to freedom Some political thing, you know it's because you know they have to shut down the internet. They're worried about WebEx I mean the Chinese there was a blunder for them didn't take the Olympics this and they should have waited Yeah, they are definitely not ready yet. You know by me. I'm sure the stadium will be cool Hmm. I don't know. I'm not going I got no invite of course I've only actually I've only been to one I think maybe two One Olympic event I think

1:31:03 During the LA Olympics they had the soccer games were up here in Northern California at Stanford Stadium And I went to Italy versus Brazil or something like that. Oh dude listen to this on Rush Limbaugh He was celebrating his 20th anniversary on air yeah George W Bush His dad and Jeb all called in at the same time to congratulate him That's funny. God damn that's amazing isn't it? That's how powerful that guy has become Here he is president well I'm just calling along with President 41 and the former governor of Florida We're fixing to have lunch here, and I said listen we ought to call our pal Let him know that we care for you So this is as much as anything a nice verbal letter to a guy we really care for I don't think You got a call from Clinton now. No I can't do any accents man. No your accent sucks yeah

1:32:04 Yeah, that's funny. For a guy who has got the voice... I can't do accents? No, I can't do accents. You know what? You could get a coach! But yeah but I don't want to do that. Just stay away from it. See, I'd like to get a coach because there are couple of accents I would love to do. I could just do a burst but not even going try it. I would like to do a scotch accent because I think that is hilarious and a Russian. Although I think Leo, Leo does a great Russian. Yeah oh I heard that the other week yeah he does a great Russian He does a great Russian and I think he can teach me the Russian But hey man you know i got to complain about Twit there was no content last week Was that one of the shows I was on? Yeah It was fun but you know I think even said it couple times let's talk about the news

1:32:59 Yeah, that show fell off the track and I'm not absolutely sure why. So i don't know. It doesn't matter. You know there was a number but you know the news is slow news week so... Alright so um.. There's no news in the summer No,no,no! I've discovered there's plenty of news just it's the journalists all go on vacation That's why Bush has shoved them through these executive orders to build the death camps That's what happening now come on man this lotsa stuff going on Lots of it. Oh, wait a minute I'm looking at this list again they do have mentioned the death camps here where not mention death on my talking points now from Okay all right i got the message

1:33:51 Alright, so I think that's it. I think we're done. I think you're through alright So plenty of homework there John you got some things to look at yeah? I'm definitely the one that has me most intrigued is the Jill Dando assassination But also catch up on our friend Linden LaRouche You'll love it oh Yeah No I'm gonna blog them and find that somehow and blog it because that needs to be viewed by everyone Because it's always good for a little bit. It's always good for a laugh Well, let's hope so. Let's hope it really is just nutty because he's pretty much predicting doom Yeah well you know there is a good business in doom I should have started the tune earlier This probably drives people mad What? The tune? Yeah we're just like waiting for to end so that we can end the show I can't cue the guy and say hurry up

1:34:48 Alright, coming to you from the United Kingdom. My name's Adam Curry and I'm John C. Dvorak here in sunny Northern California And we will talk to you once again next week right here on No Agenda