No Agenda 004

00:01 Well, hi everybody once again, it's time for the program that has no music no commercials no jingles No talent and well apparently no agenda coming to you from the curry manor in Guilford in the United Kingdom. I'm Adam Curry. I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern, California and It's time for a one day one day later than usual for our weekly event. I And you know I'm getting some good response on this show John people like it People are bored stiff it must be It must be no I mean, it's like it's we've even been added in the you know the podcast ready guys actually have a pretty interesting idea they've they've put a Podcatcher an RSS and you know a podcast aggregator. They're embedding it onto memory sticks I think they have a deal with sandisk and

00:55 That's a good idea. Yeah, it's a great idea and so we're this there's like top There's ten feeds that are pre subscribed And we're one of them with no agenda Wow yeah, it's pretty cool. Huh yeah, it is really cool I think they put tech five dot Pacho comm on there though. No no no man. It's it's got to be Having a no agenda show is good because it's no one benefits except you and I if people listen we feel better and So we were talking about tea before you started the recording and I was wondering the public might be interested in some of our thoughts since you've got you said that you move ever since you moved to England you've become kind of addicted to the product. Yeah well you know there's the Dutch when I grew up in Holland they drink a lot of tea but they drink it differently than the UK here's you know it's really it's milk and sugar whereas I never would have ever considered putting milk in my tea ever before living here.

00:55 That's a good idea. Yeah, it's a great idea and so we're this there's like top There's ten feeds that are pre subscribed And we're one of them with no agenda Wow yeah, it's pretty cool. Huh yeah, it is really cool I think they put tech five dot Pacho comm on there though. No no no man. It's it's got to be Having a no agenda show is good because it's no one benefits except you and I if people listen we feel better and So we were talking about tea before you started the recording and I was wondering the public might be interested in some of our thoughts since you've got you said that you move ever since you moved to England you've become kind of addicted to the product. Yeah well you know there's the Dutch when I grew up in Holland they drink a lot of tea but they drink it differently than the UK here's you know it's really it's milk and sugar whereas I never would have ever considered putting milk in my tea ever before living here.

01:51 But I found out that culturally that really works for me. You know, essentially if someone walks in the house and they've got a bullet wound to the shoulder, the first thing everyone says is, let's put a kettle on, let's have some tea and everything will be okay. And I just kind of fell into that and I love it. Now I must drink at least during the day if I'm near, if I can make it myself, easily six to ten cups a day. And what's your preferred brand? PG Tips, of course. yeah we're big pg we've been using pg tips for over twenty years i think uh... you used to be hard to get the united states but not spread freely available but for people out there have tried it in a you know used to some of these crappy cheese that we have which usually have enough tea in the bag to to to amount to anything pg two tips is the uh... is the i think that the standard the gold standard of british tea yeah i would have to agree that that is the absolute best is just that happens to be the when everybody uses

02:52 and a lot of the the thing that's interesting about pg tips to me and a lot of these other teas and we're talking about sainsbury's has a nice uh... records called red label uh... which is a competitor is that the british people that when they were colonizing the world they did these long-term deals all over the place for uh... things like tea So they essentially have, I don't know how long the contract is for the various tea providers, but they get some of the best tea in the world because they kind of locked down these deals permanently back in the 1800s. Isn't that in some way related to upcoming December 16th when we commemorate the Boston Tea Party?

02:52 and a lot of the the thing that's interesting about pg tips to me and a lot of these other teas and we're talking about sainsbury's has a nice uh... records called red label uh... which is a competitor is that the british people that when they were colonizing the world they did these long-term deals all over the place for uh... things like tea So they essentially have, I don't know how long the contract is for the various tea providers, but they get some of the best tea in the world because they kind of locked down these deals permanently back in the 1800s. Isn't that in some way related to upcoming December 16th when we commemorate the Boston Tea Party?

03:34 Yeah, the Boston Tea Party is, you know, there's a, if you study enough American history, of course, this gets pretty peculiar as to why the Boston Tea Party took place, but they were trying to shove tea down everybody's throat, and they were also stealing it from China and making them take opium. But that was later. Here boys, have some opium, give us the tea! Well, you know that I've heard now that there's another Ron Paul money bomb scheduled. The previous one was on November 5th which coincided with Guy Fawkes Day, a revolutionary day in the UK. And from what I understand, December 16th commemorating the Boston Tea Party, there's going to be another drive to raise another several million dollars for Republican candidate Ron Paul.

03:34 Yeah, the Boston Tea Party is, you know, there's a, if you study enough American history, of course, this gets pretty peculiar as to why the Boston Tea Party took place, but they were trying to shove tea down everybody's throat, and they were also stealing it from China and making them take opium. But that was later. Here boys, have some opium, give us the tea! Well, you know that I've heard now that there's another Ron Paul money bomb scheduled. The previous one was on November 5th which coincided with Guy Fawkes Day, a revolutionary day in the UK. And from what I understand, December 16th commemorating the Boston Tea Party, there's going to be another drive to raise another several million dollars for Republican candidate Ron Paul.

04:16 Well, you know the thing is there I've noticed this effect. I blogged it if you go on the blog you'll find that work org slash blog You'll find a mention about how they wrote that this the Liberty Dollar guys were raised by I've gotten a lot of emails from people I think you were the first one that you actually sent me a link to your blog post and it's interesting because I'm seeing two stories one is you know the guys who created and run the Liberty Dollar let's just call operation for a second and They got rated and you know there's this other side that's talking about the Ron Paul dollars And now I'm seeing you know that's kind of becoming the meme is now that Ron Paul is being associated with it honestly I think I understand what the Liberty dollar is about, but I clearly have no idea how successful it is or Or you know it must be successful otherwise it wouldn't been rated. Do you have background on this John do you know

04:16 Well, you know the thing is there I've noticed this effect. I blogged it if you go on the blog you'll find that work org slash blog You'll find a mention about how they wrote that this the Liberty Dollar guys were raised by I've gotten a lot of emails from people I think you were the first one that you actually sent me a link to your blog post and it's interesting because I'm seeing two stories one is you know the guys who created and run the Liberty Dollar let's just call operation for a second and They got rated and you know there's this other side that's talking about the Ron Paul dollars And now I'm seeing you know that's kind of becoming the meme is now that Ron Paul is being associated with it honestly I think I understand what the Liberty dollar is about, but I clearly have no idea how successful it is or Or you know it must be successful otherwise it wouldn't been rated. Do you have background on this John do you know

05:08 Well, I don't know as much about it as you, I mean the website, the Liberty Dollars website, which is easy enough to find, has most of the details, but you know, they're trying to do private coinage. I mean, generally speaking, you can do this legally, but you can't do it... Like Disney dollars, or like Scores, strippers, in strip bars you can get dollars, right? Don't know what yeah, you don't know oh Shit, I blew my cover. No. It's like in Disneyland you get Disney dollars is that the same thing or is this different? Well, they're trying to put this into general circulation, so I think it's different some years ago There was some law there was a problem in the United States

05:48 uh... specially from about uh... eighteen sixty two i think around user and i went into but i do i have collected a lot of these bills but in the eighteen hundreds you know every bank had their own currency in every state had its own currency is currency all over the place and i wasn't worth anything is actually the sun is such gorgeous by the way anyway as so they decided to uh... you know make everything for either u.s. no federal reserve note or a there is says so versatile tickets gold certificates which are backed by gold and silver when the gold standard was uh... introduced right uh... and it would it will it go there was always a kind of a quite there was a i guess a uh... de facto gold standard always just the base of the price of gold so these guys wanna make the uh... these coins worth the amount of silver that's in them

06:36 And then they want to try to get them into general circulation. I think there's something about the general circulation that's the issue. Is that illegal though? Is it just illegal to have your own money and trade on it? Is there something? Yes, that's apparently true. You can't start minting your own money. So that's what they were doing. Which is kind of silly because when I issue you a check from my bank, you know, the bank made up this piece of paper, they printed it, you know, I just filled in the value, you know, if they certify it then isn't it the same thing as a pretty picture?

07:14 You know, you're going to have to talk to a lawyer. Oh, I'm sorry. I had you confused for one. I'm not absolutely sure. I mean, I know the logic that you're expressing. I know there's a logic there. And it seems to me, yeah, it seems to me that a check uh... is a bank note in some funny way cuz it's worth whatever you write on it right uh... but there's something there's something else about what these guys are doing that seem to and i have to do i guess look at the fbi's uh... documents to figure out why they busted his but he also took a all the ron paul money Right, which I guess was another version of the Liberty Dollar, just another currency which these guys were running through their existing infrastructure. Right. But see, I think the Ron Paul thing had something to do with the bus, because there seems to be an overt mechanism out there to get this guy to shut up. Right. That's where I wanted to get us.

08:11 You immediately will be branded as conspiracy theorist, but I gotta think that, you know, perfect. Perfect thing, you know, it's moving towards the whole story is more... You watch, because I haven't seen it in mainstream yet, but it's gonna show up and it's gonna be totally associated with Ron Paul and they're gonna try and scandalize it. I'm almost positive that's what we're gonna see happen. Yeah, and it's gonna be fun to watch now. I've already noticed that I'm a big fan and I think you are too But there's a lot of us out here who who actually enjoy listening to right-wing talk shows sure. Oh, yeah Right-wing talk radio in particular is very entertaining in a lot of different ways I mean it's either that I'm always like torn between right-wing talkers and and Jim Rome the sports guy that sports guy but and the sports talk is he come the competitor with right-wing talk and

08:11 You immediately will be branded as conspiracy theorist, but I gotta think that, you know, perfect. Perfect thing, you know, it's moving towards the whole story is more... You watch, because I haven't seen it in mainstream yet, but it's gonna show up and it's gonna be totally associated with Ron Paul and they're gonna try and scandalize it. I'm almost positive that's what we're gonna see happen. Yeah, and it's gonna be fun to watch now. I've already noticed that I'm a big fan and I think you are too But there's a lot of us out here who who actually enjoy listening to right-wing talk shows sure. Oh, yeah Right-wing talk radio in particular is very entertaining in a lot of different ways I mean it's either that I'm always like torn between right-wing talkers and and Jim Rome the sports guy that sports guy but and the sports talk is he come the competitor with right-wing talk and

08:59 Interesting. I mean, there's no left-wing talk is there is not because they tried that with Air America and no one no one fucking cared It was pointless and it wasn't entertaining. It wasn't entertaining It was when and they couldn't do say a lot of things that would like to say because it wouldn't be politically correct I mean, they've tied themselves up, you know painted themselves in a corner with their philosophies now, so they can't do it you know, you had a lot of whining and a lot of people petting each other and you know You know, it was weird listening to that stuff. It was very creepy actually. Is Dennis Miller still doing some kind of talk show on the radio? Yeah, Dennis Miller's got a show on in the mornings that's syndicated in the US at the same time that Jim Rome is on and Rush Limbaugh is on. So that's a tough slot. It's impossible. Now I have listened to his show on and off and he is kind of a lightweight when it comes to the politics even though he's just a right-wing nut.

09:53 but when he starts talking to me when he starts going into a show business anecdotes then it's a little bit is really good yeah he's got a lot of funny stories yes but anyway uh... yeah that shows uh... it's like if you listen to the other stuff you do you hit him just to see if you if you're driving around you hit him and you don't listen to stuff a lesson the car uh... you hit him if you get commercials every which way you gotta listen to something else So, where were we? We were talking about... Oh yeah, so the right-wing talk show guys are not the main guys, not the Limbaugh's of the world, but the lesser guys, the weekend guys and the late night guys. They're starting to slam Ron Paul. Is O'Reilly slamming him yet?

10:40 Not yet, but I haven't been listening to much O'Reilly because O'Reilly's on at some weird hour. They keep bouncing him around. He's never really hit the home run, I guess, on the radio. And he's... I don't watch his show too much on TV. Have you been watching Countdown, Keith Olbermann? That's I watch it on and off. It's you know, it's one of the funnier shows He's probably one of the only left-wing guys that that is entertaining exactly exactly any and he I'm presumed that he's writing it But he writes really well. I mean there's some really poignant stuff in there. Well, I'm sure he's got a staff There's no way he can be writing all that stuff daily. He he's also John Stewart and Colbert are left-wingers that are funny and entertaining but

11:22 But their styles are totally different than the emotional styles of the right-wing talkers. Exactly, because it's always working your funny bone and not your terror bone. Right. but anyway so i started notice they they're starting to sneak in the anti-ron paul stuffed and i you know and one of the bright wing talk guys is named michael savage is out here in in san francisco is something of a bipolar character who's really entertaining and uh... has a huge following he does not follow the follow the republican drumbeat he tends to take an independent perspective and so he'll slam bush a lot and he uh... he's an interesting character and and uh...

11:22 But their styles are totally different than the emotional styles of the right-wing talkers. Exactly, because it's always working your funny bone and not your terror bone. Right. but anyway so i started notice they they're starting to sneak in the anti-ron paul stuffed and i you know and one of the bright wing talk guys is named michael savage is out here in in san francisco is something of a bipolar character who's really entertaining and uh... has a huge following he does not follow the follow the republican drumbeat he tends to take an independent perspective and so he'll slam bush a lot and he uh... he's an interesting character and and uh...

12:02 He won't probably go after Ron Paul because it Paul is essentially a strict constitutionalist I think the savage guy is too, so he'll probably if some of the big names go after Ron Paul. He'll jump them It'll be kind of interesting to watch well I personally think it'd be great and you know they they really should you know they really should be attacking Ron Paul because His answers are really I mean you can put any guy in Ron Paul's place and You know what I mean? You can put a robot and say the input is the Constitution and here's a logic. It's one or zero, true or false. And it's that simple. There's no other way to interpret this document, you know. So it doesn't really matter. But it will raise, I think, awareness of the platform.

12:46 yeah well the one thing that's that you're that just starting to come out of the right wing talk show radio that i've observed and and i think a savage again is willing to actually starts to point this out a lot he's been kind of uh... marginalized because of it you hear a lot about him in the mainstream media all for further reasons perhaps but anyway he points out that uh... and he believes that limbaugh and hannity and o'reilly and some of these other guys for some of the lesser guys are are actually not conservative right wingers or anything else they're just frontman stooges for the republican party and they and they do a lot of party line chit chat you know this is i mean kennedy's absolutely the worst for this i mean is if the george bush was uh... was a rapist and you know he would be saying why this was good you know i am but just before our previous board meeting i sent uh... relaying who's uh...

13:41 One of the lead partners at Kleiner Perkins and also ran Oracle for a number of years. I sent him a note and said, hey dude, did you have a chance to, no I think I actually said, hey I know you're the only Republican in that entire bunch over there at Kleiner Perkins, but I wanted your opinion on this guy because I'm going to endorse him and have you heard of him? Did you hear, Ray listens to the show a lot, but I know he's been busy and probably hasn't listened for a couple weeks. So I sent a link to the interview and he came back said no I'd never heard of this guy But you know research and it's a pretty fucking interesting. This is really good, and you know who just joined KP

12:46 yeah well the one thing that's that you're that just starting to come out of the right wing talk show radio that i've observed and and i think a savage again is willing to actually starts to point this out a lot he's been kind of uh... marginalized because of it you hear a lot about him in the mainstream media all for further reasons perhaps but anyway he points out that uh... and he believes that limbaugh and hannity and o'reilly and some of these other guys for some of the lesser guys are are actually not conservative right wingers or anything else they're just frontman stooges for the republican party and they and they do a lot of party line chit chat you know this is i mean kennedy's absolutely the worst for this i mean is if the george bush was uh... was a rapist and you know he would be saying why this was good you know i am but just before our previous board meeting i sent uh... relaying who's uh...

13:41 One of the lead partners at Kleiner Perkins and also ran Oracle for a number of years. I sent him a note and said, hey dude, did you have a chance to, no I think I actually said, hey I know you're the only Republican in that entire bunch over there at Kleiner Perkins, but I wanted your opinion on this guy because I'm going to endorse him and have you heard of him? Did you hear, Ray listens to the show a lot, but I know he's been busy and probably hasn't listened for a couple weeks. So I sent a link to the interview and he came back said no I'd never heard of this guy But you know research and it's a pretty fucking interesting. This is really good, and you know who just joined KP

14:18 Yeah, Al Gore exactly so there's uh I don't know that I might be able to influence something because I believe that the only way to change anything is to change where the money is or where the money flows or yeah, you can get railing fired I Doubt I doubt railing can get fired. I don't know. He's a partner, but I don't think it works Yeah, there's a curious crowd over there because the they are a flock of Democrats for the most part I don't know that the founders like tom perkins is i think he's pretty much of a right wing uh... republican i don't think is a question about i could be wrong but night i get and pretty sure i'm right there and you know the domain got israel republicans

14:57 but the guys who actually run the place john john dore is a democrat for sure always a huge democratic is a big uh... music died a democrat but he's a kind of a party organizer oh yeah i know he's he uh... he did the whole uh... obama thing and uh... and obama at oprah winfrey's house and i know is big big big into that uh... that stuff well the rumor is of course is the that he wants either eighty once again he's he hasn't put his money on the right horse forever But the rumor is amongst the cognoscenti is that he wants to either be a secretary of state Hmm or something like that or get a good ambassadorship. He wants to give you know this I become an ambassador of France Honestly, honestly, I've thought about that many times and there was a point in my life where I seriously considered Lobbying for an ambassadorship. That would be a great fucking life. That's exactly what I want. You know, you know what the best I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, go ahead

15:55 Well the best of an ambassador ship I'm told is the US ambassador to the Vatican. Oh, yeah right on yeah Well, my uncle was a ambassador to to Korea for many many years well apparently in the Vatican There's nothing else to do but drink and eat and yeah, this is just one little town. Yeah, that's it and all the politics are held in one place and it's all Parties yeah, I don't know if I'd like to drink wine you know to mean yeah, I wouldn't like living there I'd hate that So, but yeah, you should be an ambassador. You could have, were you thinking of becoming an ambassador from the Netherlands? No, no, no, no, no. I wanted, well, yeah, that would have been okay. I want to be an ambassador in England. I mean, how cool would that be? Well, that would be, yeah, that's the health risk there. Not because someone's going to shoot you because you could overeat. It's too much sausages.

15:55 Well the best of an ambassador ship I'm told is the US ambassador to the Vatican. Oh, yeah right on yeah Well, my uncle was a ambassador to to Korea for many many years well apparently in the Vatican There's nothing else to do but drink and eat and yeah, this is just one little town. Yeah, that's it and all the politics are held in one place and it's all Parties yeah, I don't know if I'd like to drink wine you know to mean yeah, I wouldn't like living there I'd hate that So, but yeah, you should be an ambassador. You could have, were you thinking of becoming an ambassador from the Netherlands? No, no, no, no, no. I wanted, well, yeah, that would have been okay. I want to be an ambassador in England. I mean, how cool would that be? Well, that would be, yeah, that's the health risk there. Not because someone's going to shoot you because you could overeat. It's too much sausages.

16:46 Damn straight Follow-up on a story we talked about I was the last episode about that Dutch couple that got thrown in jail Yeah, terrible. So after the show, you know, we were skyping back and forth and within like 30 minutes I discovered that this jail was Operated by a commercial company that has received hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts to operate prisons primarily in the Texas area It's called management the management training company. I think management and training corporation corporation yeah, and MTC and and they're huge and the former chairman of MTC was the guy who What's his name the guy who was involved with the Abu Ghraib scandal?

16:46 Damn straight Follow-up on a story we talked about I was the last episode about that Dutch couple that got thrown in jail Yeah, terrible. So after the show, you know, we were skyping back and forth and within like 30 minutes I discovered that this jail was Operated by a commercial company that has received hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts to operate prisons primarily in the Texas area It's called management the management training company. I think management and training corporation corporation yeah, and MTC and and they're huge and the former chairman of MTC was the guy who What's his name the guy who was involved with the Abu Ghraib scandal?

17:37 Yeah, isn't that isn't that interesting and I'm like how come that that high-end program Nova who interviewed them about a year ago How come they didn't you know Google? Because the way I did it was you know the girl was talking about you know after they'd been in jail a month they'd been thrown in jail for hitchhiking and they had a an expired tourist visa and You know they had they never saw an attorney were never allowed to make any phone calls Oh, yeah, a collect call within the US, but they were hitchhikers from Europe And they weren't Mexicans you got to make that clear no nor that they look Mexican if there were Mexicans they would have been let go Exactly so you know so she said after a month we were allowed to send a letter so I sent a letter to my boyfriend who was of course in the in the in the mail Ward and

18:20 And they showed the envelope and I freeze-framed the video and I just copied the address and I googled it. And the website for the jail is near the server not found, right? It's just gone. The domain doesn't resolve anymore. And then, you know, through a couple more searches I found out that it was a part of MTC. And I'm just like, you know, It's clear that these companies are incentivized to keep people in jail and throw people in there even if they don't belong in there. Yeah, cuz they get paid. Yeah, so it's uh, you know the more you got into the more you get paid I'm just I'm just start rounding people up and throwing them in charging the government I'm starting to understand how this works, you know, so our tax dollars go into the government the government then Hires commercial companies to do what I've always thought was like, you know kind of like government work, you know fair and

19:16 People who have no benefit to having more people in jail, but it's not true. It's the people who are in Iraq fighting our Commercial companies, it's it's nuts. I know it's like rollerball. Yeah It is is yeah, it's very much like rollerball. You don't understand it, but still it's kind of fun to watch You know fat chicks getting beat up. I don't know. It's a no I've been a movie the original movie rollerball was a with the James Caan was all the Basically the country had deteriorated into a into factions of corporations that had that just would fight with each other and there was this there was no government anymore and the one of the ways they would resolve a lot of this by having these rollerball games and

18:20 And they showed the envelope and I freeze-framed the video and I just copied the address and I googled it. And the website for the jail is near the server not found, right? It's just gone. The domain doesn't resolve anymore. And then, you know, through a couple more searches I found out that it was a part of MTC. And I'm just like, you know, It's clear that these companies are incentivized to keep people in jail and throw people in there even if they don't belong in there. Yeah, cuz they get paid. Yeah, so it's uh, you know the more you got into the more you get paid I'm just I'm just start rounding people up and throwing them in charging the government I'm starting to understand how this works, you know, so our tax dollars go into the government the government then Hires commercial companies to do what I've always thought was like, you know kind of like government work, you know fair and

19:16 People who have no benefit to having more people in jail, but it's not true. It's the people who are in Iraq fighting our Commercial companies, it's it's nuts. I know it's like rollerball. Yeah It is is yeah, it's very much like rollerball. You don't understand it, but still it's kind of fun to watch You know fat chicks getting beat up. I don't know. It's a no I've been a movie the original movie rollerball was a with the James Caan was all the Basically the country had deteriorated into a into factions of corporations that had that just would fight with each other and there was this there was no government anymore and the one of the ways they would resolve a lot of this by having these rollerball games and

19:57 Where the you know winner takes all and if you died on the thing that was cool fuck I've got to see this movie I've never seen this you never seen my roller ball There's a couple movies out there people should see roller ball the original roller But it came out again, but these remakes suck you have to get the original James Caan one And that's a good movie. It's kind of sick. It's like Running Man and all these. So there's a lot of these anti-corporation movies out there. But the Rollerball is quite good. But another one, if you haven't seen it, which I'm just thinking of cult favorites, is the original Max Headroom movie before it became a TV show.

20:34 And if you can get a copy of it that the max headroom movie the original has a nerd kid in it That is priceless this kid is unbelievable Believable you just hate him the minute you see him. He's an evil little kid Who's part of that you know a hacker? And it's just one of the best characters I've ever seen on the screen, but the movie itself is quite fascinating I'm googling it right now. See if I can find a clip I've never seen that one either of course I saw the TV show because I was Hosting my own music TV show at the time and we saw this is a huge I remember actually talking with producers They were like oh fuck man our days are numbered look at what they're doing over there in England, man They've got like this fucking like this animated shit. You know we won't need any more sets. We won't need any more anything You know the end is near it was quite amazing

21:26 Well, anyway, those are pretty good films for this kind of genre. But anyway, so roller balls, what I'm reminded of with this situation with these, these j, I don't understand it myself, what the government is, you know, they've done that with the parking system in San Francisco. Right. Turned it over to a private company and so now you have no redress. You can, they can just give tickets away to anybody they want. You're screwed. They've jacked up the prices out in front of the offices at the pod show headquarters. It's five cents, it's a quarter for five cents. Funny I'm sorry five minutes for a quarter no five minutes for a quarter Yeah, so you got to pump in I don't they have to keep dumping these to these these meters out daily because they you know to put in Just sit there for a half an hour you got to throw in about you got how many quarters you got to throw in? They fit they fill up

21:26 Well, anyway, those are pretty good films for this kind of genre. But anyway, so roller balls, what I'm reminded of with this situation with these, these j, I don't understand it myself, what the government is, you know, they've done that with the parking system in San Francisco. Right. Turned it over to a private company and so now you have no redress. You can, they can just give tickets away to anybody they want. You're screwed. They've jacked up the prices out in front of the offices at the pod show headquarters. It's five cents, it's a quarter for five cents. Funny I'm sorry five minutes for a quarter no five minutes for a quarter Yeah, so you got to pump in I don't they have to keep dumping these to these these meters out daily because they you know to put in Just sit there for a half an hour you got to throw in about you got how many quarters you got to throw in? They fit they fill up

22:09 And jam it's ridiculous. I mean the original idea for parking meters was you put a coin in there as a token Just to set a timer that would make you have to get out of there for the time It was over wasn't supposed to be a profit center. I'm an insurer turned into one Yeah, cuz some jerk off came along and said hey, you know we can make money off these parking meters. Yeah, I and And there's meters all over the place. They're all 25 cents for five minutes. The street, there's nobody parking in those spots because they'll drive down into the residential area around the corner and park in the residential spots where they don't have to worry about it so much because you get two hours. And so meanwhile, the residents are screwed. I mean, this is just, I don't see how they, I really don't like San Francisco to be honest about it. Well, check this out in London. So they have this radical new scheme called the congestion charge.

22:09 And jam it's ridiculous. I mean the original idea for parking meters was you put a coin in there as a token Just to set a timer that would make you have to get out of there for the time It was over wasn't supposed to be a profit center. I'm an insurer turned into one Yeah, cuz some jerk off came along and said hey, you know we can make money off these parking meters. Yeah, I and And there's meters all over the place. They're all 25 cents for five minutes. The street, there's nobody parking in those spots because they'll drive down into the residential area around the corner and park in the residential spots where they don't have to worry about it so much because you get two hours. And so meanwhile, the residents are screwed. I mean, this is just, I don't see how they, I really don't like San Francisco to be honest about it. Well, check this out in London. So they have this radical new scheme called the congestion charge.

23:12 Which are you familiar with this? Oh, yeah, okay, so there's a zone that accidentally drive into it Yeah, so there's a zone of London and the minute you drive in you know your your license plate is scanned And if you you know within a certain amount of time don't pay up at you know like newsstands I guess you can you can pay your fee or if you don't have a subscription it's eight pounds per day and of course as a penalty if you if you don't pay for it and Now, they just recently expanded this into Chelsea and one other neighborhood. And so, what is actually supposed to help congestion, and honestly, they launched this the very day that school vacation started, a year ago, I think, or two years ago. So, of course, everyone said, wow, look, it's working. But it was school vacation. So, you know, it did feel a little bit better for a while. But now they've expanded it into Chelsea.

24:03 It's actually had the complete opposite effect because all these people who are residents in that area, they get a 90% discount on the congestion fee. So they're paying not even a pound a day and they can go anywhere throughout London with their car. Anywhere. So now the traffic is completely fucked up. It's been, you know, this just happened a few months ago and all the cab drivers are talking about it. Everyone is just, you know, well of course the Brits don't really get outraged about it, you know, they love to just complain but I'm outraged. It's nuts and you know you can just see that they don't give a shit, you know, that the government taxes, you know, the license fee for the car and then, you know, the gases tax and now that, you know,

24:49 It's just going to keep on going. I'm surprised they haven't had a revolution. There's no more New Lands. I guess that's why we have to go to the moon again. No, maybe if we ever went in the first place no no no no I've I've Tried that one on my show a couple years ago And that was very bad to be on the they didn't go to the moon side of the story There's more people who believe we did it's stupid But I do love the new the latest twist that we're gonna go to the moon again in my and I love throwing this one because I've thrown this one on the blog because I just love this this this type of debate and

25:26 which is my argument as well, the only reason we're going to go back to the moon again is because the Chinese say they're going to the moon. So that means we have to go to the moon before they get there so we can plant the stuff from 1969 that was never there in the first place. Oh, this is what this is a story I wanted to talk to you about when I was the last night I was in San Francisco as watching CNN maybe was yeah Friday night and Larry King live was on and he had Shirley MacLaine now Shirley McCain MacLaine, you know, I always hear Patricia who of course is older than I am She's you know seen more of Shirley MacLaine has seen more of her career and you know just knows more about her and Patricia always says oh man, she's kooky. She's really nuts and

24:49 It's just going to keep on going. I'm surprised they haven't had a revolution. There's no more New Lands. I guess that's why we have to go to the moon again. No, maybe if we ever went in the first place no no no no I've I've Tried that one on my show a couple years ago And that was very bad to be on the they didn't go to the moon side of the story There's more people who believe we did it's stupid But I do love the new the latest twist that we're gonna go to the moon again in my and I love throwing this one because I've thrown this one on the blog because I just love this this this type of debate and

25:26 which is my argument as well, the only reason we're going to go back to the moon again is because the Chinese say they're going to the moon. So that means we have to go to the moon before they get there so we can plant the stuff from 1969 that was never there in the first place. Oh, this is what this is a story I wanted to talk to you about when I was the last night I was in San Francisco as watching CNN maybe was yeah Friday night and Larry King live was on and he had Shirley MacLaine now Shirley McCain MacLaine, you know, I always hear Patricia who of course is older than I am She's you know seen more of Shirley MacLaine has seen more of her career and you know just knows more about her and Patricia always says oh man, she's kooky. She's really nuts and

24:49 It's just going to keep on going. I'm surprised they haven't had a revolution. There's no more New Lands. I guess that's why we have to go to the moon again. No, maybe if we ever went in the first place no no no no I've I've Tried that one on my show a couple years ago And that was very bad to be on the they didn't go to the moon side of the story There's more people who believe we did it's stupid But I do love the new the latest twist that we're gonna go to the moon again in my and I love throwing this one because I've thrown this one on the blog because I just love this this this type of debate and

25:26 which is my argument as well, the only reason we're going to go back to the moon again is because the Chinese say they're going to the moon. So that means we have to go to the moon before they get there so we can plant the stuff from 1969 that was never there in the first place. Oh, this is what this is a story I wanted to talk to you about when I was the last night I was in San Francisco as watching CNN maybe was yeah Friday night and Larry King live was on and he had Shirley MacLaine now Shirley McCain MacLaine, you know, I always hear Patricia who of course is older than I am She's you know seen more of Shirley MacLaine has seen more of her career and you know just knows more about her and Patricia always says oh man, she's kooky. She's really nuts and

26:10 I recall that she had this thing about UFOs. The whole discussion was about UFOs and these pilots these ex-military pilots who are now all stepping forward and saying, you know We really feel the government, you know, there's no reason anymore to hide the fact that they exist They're here all the time, you know, we understand that there was you know There would have been mass panic 40 years ago if people had you know knew that there were UFOs, but look they exist I've seen him and even Dennis hmm What's the candidates name? Kuchinich. Kuchinich. He admitted on stage in one of the debates when he was asked directly, you know, have you ever seen a UFO? And he says, yeah, I've seen a UFO, which of course, what a fucking loaded question that is just to make the guy look foolish. But, but this is, you know, there's, there's something happening here. I'm not quite sure where it's coming from, but it was, you know, Shirley MacLaine,

27:05 These ex-military pilots, you know on Larry King. I'm like there's something real here at least Something really got to some phony baloney special. No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't think so Yeah, that would never happen on CNN or any of these TV stations No set the public up for a special pre plugging it in advance get everyone all jacked up that never happened So I was watching Larry King, I wasn't watching Larry King, but now there's this kind of a quasi-scandal going on. I get the biggest kick out of this one. Larry King had Marie Osmond on. And he asked her about her son, who apparently is in rehab for drugs or alcohol or...

26:10 I recall that she had this thing about UFOs. The whole discussion was about UFOs and these pilots these ex-military pilots who are now all stepping forward and saying, you know We really feel the government, you know, there's no reason anymore to hide the fact that they exist They're here all the time, you know, we understand that there was you know There would have been mass panic 40 years ago if people had you know knew that there were UFOs, but look they exist I've seen him and even Dennis hmm What's the candidates name? Kuchinich. Kuchinich. He admitted on stage in one of the debates when he was asked directly, you know, have you ever seen a UFO? And he says, yeah, I've seen a UFO, which of course, what a fucking loaded question that is just to make the guy look foolish. But, but this is, you know, there's, there's something happening here. I'm not quite sure where it's coming from, but it was, you know, Shirley MacLaine,

27:05 These ex-military pilots, you know on Larry King. I'm like there's something real here at least Something really got to some phony baloney special. No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't think so Yeah, that would never happen on CNN or any of these TV stations No set the public up for a special pre plugging it in advance get everyone all jacked up that never happened So I was watching Larry King, I wasn't watching Larry King, but now there's this kind of a quasi-scandal going on. I get the biggest kick out of this one. Larry King had Marie Osmond on. And he asked her about her son, who apparently is in rehab for drugs or alcohol or...

27:50 I don't know what. But anyway, and she kind of freaked out because this is supposed to be a big secret, and she got her demeanor changed, and now they've showed all these entertainment shows that try to find news where there is none. They're all over the story, huh? All over the story as though... and I'm looking at it as, wait a minute, Larry King actually, who's the softball master on CNN, who never says anything about it, actually asks a question that is you know has some you know some research behind it And everybody just defines this to be a stunning shocker. Well, well, no, but of course it's you know Larry King actually didn't know he's just too stupid You know, he didn't know it was a secret and everyone else did I'm looking at it now. I know it's not stupid I can care he knew it. See I'm sure he knew it was a secret. I don't know why he did it I he's not stupid by any means. I mean we should all be so dumb and I think there were some

28:47 Don't know what there was some ulterior motive I'm not sure what it was because he never does that I mean he just I mean he probably could if you wanted to but he's essentially just you know kind of sleepwalks through that show well, so there's there's a couple things I'll say here. Yeah, you know because I have been kind of following the Osmonds and over the past couple weeks mainly because Marie was in Dancing with the Stars and I like that show. She passed out, right? So that kind of got her into the news. I know Donnie, in fact I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver. During the it was an indie an indie event IndyCar when I was working for MTV and you know and it's guys fucking serious Yeah, he won the race by the way. He's uh you know I was impressed He was you know we were all out partying and he was walking the track at 5 in the morning You know finding the apex and all the fucking perfect win he really wanted to win and

28:47 Don't know what there was some ulterior motive I'm not sure what it was because he never does that I mean he just I mean he probably could if you wanted to but he's essentially just you know kind of sleepwalks through that show well, so there's there's a couple things I'll say here. Yeah, you know because I have been kind of following the Osmonds and over the past couple weeks mainly because Marie was in Dancing with the Stars and I like that show. She passed out, right? So that kind of got her into the news. I know Donnie, in fact I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver. During the it was an indie an indie event IndyCar when I was working for MTV and you know and it's guys fucking serious Yeah, he won the race by the way. He's uh you know I was impressed He was you know we were all out partying and he was walking the track at 5 in the morning You know finding the apex and all the fucking perfect win he really wanted to win and

29:40 But I've been following this and you know anything I can say is you know for what they had a hundred Osmonds on Oprah the other day a hundred so you know even though they're Marie's dad had just passed away a few days earlier They still decide to come to Oprah show which is fine. You know, but you know, what was the point? You know, she was there plugging her dolls which she sells on I think QVC or the home shopping network Which is I think really her main source of income and I'm sure it does huge business But when you you know you step back into the limelight, you know, it's like a fucking boomerang. I've seen this happen It's happened to me many times, you know, it comes back at you and positive energy comes back fucking black and vice versa It's just it's just it's it's part of the beast, you know only it whips a lot faster than it used to it and the turnaround time is quicker and the ups and downs are severe and that this is just what happens I think

30:34 Guess I mean, I don't get it why she's you know in and out of the scene that much anyway But I can maybe she's always trying to stay in a scene whatever the case well You have to because you know when your gig as a celebrity is selling you know I'm Marie Osmond these are these dolls and I think she has a factory and this is really big these collectibles And people gets really into it. You know it's like sell ortainment. You know I love that it's a great. It's a great vocation, but part of that is her celebrity so you know once in a while she She has to do something, you know, it's part of the business. You know you you do a special or you get invited some Christmas thing that you do or pass out on stage For example, I don't think that was contrived but yeah dancing I'm beginning to wait after listening to you. I'm thinking the passing out on stage. I was contrived and so is this Larry King thing?

30:34 Guess I mean, I don't get it why she's you know in and out of the scene that much anyway But I can maybe she's always trying to stay in a scene whatever the case well You have to because you know when your gig as a celebrity is selling you know I'm Marie Osmond these are these dolls and I think she has a factory and this is really big these collectibles And people gets really into it. You know it's like sell ortainment. You know I love that it's a great. It's a great vocation, but part of that is her celebrity so you know once in a while she She has to do something, you know, it's part of the business. You know you you do a special or you get invited some Christmas thing that you do or pass out on stage For example, I don't think that was contrived but yeah dancing I'm beginning to wait after listening to you. I'm thinking the passing out on stage. I was contrived and so is this Larry King thing?

31:23 Maybe Larry King was told to do this and then she could act flabbergasted and get all kinds. She's got more John no John no John no I've been in this game. That's not how it works. That is not Is it a possibility? No, it's not how it works. It is just not how it works the game is attention That's the game and you what could get you more attention than passing out? Yeah, but you can't set it very good very rarely. Can you can you set it up? That's why it's it's such an addictive game is because it's like media hacking You know if you do this, this is gonna happen. No, I understand. I understand I agree with you 100% But I'm just wondering is it possible that she's that good? Okay, I see your point

32:16 That, you know what, I'd have to defer to the Lady Patricia and I will report back on the next episode. She will know if she's that good. I think the passing out was real. The Larry King thing, I don't know. Guy never throws a question out like this to anybody now all of a sudden to the nice little Marie come on well, you know It could be that someone is just sitting there going. Hey, let's fuck with her. Let's go get some ratings. Yeah, maybe well That's a manipulation, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and I but I see that happening a lot quicker than you know that it's a real setup and she and she wanted it and I think she would much rather and doesn't every celebrity want to be in the news in a positive light and

33:02 Well, then if you measure by the pound like they say enter the entire and to enter the entire reason for hip-hop Yeah, well so anyway. We'll never know that's the point um I don't know we'll keep it on the list Mean it reminds me of you know they go of course this was never done for publicity purposes But you know little Richard used to when he did his rock act Would always do something to injure himself and have to be carried out in a stretcher oh Speaking of celebrities I'm a celebrity get me out of here is on again here in the UK and

33:02 Well, then if you measure by the pound like they say enter the entire and to enter the entire reason for hip-hop Yeah, well so anyway. We'll never know that's the point um I don't know we'll keep it on the list Mean it reminds me of you know they go of course this was never done for publicity purposes But you know little Richard used to when he did his rock act Would always do something to injure himself and have to be carried out in a stretcher oh Speaking of celebrities I'm a celebrity get me out of here is on again here in the UK and

33:42 What is that? Oh, okay. So I guess that they may have tried this in the States and the format didn't take off It's a a group of C slash D liberties So former soap stars this year the biggest celebrity is this woman named Janice Dickinson? Who's who has hosted? Next America's Next Top Model, I think not an America's Next Top Model America's Next Model or whatever, you know one of these shows and she was one of the original supermodels and now she's you know, mmm in the 50s and she you know, she's admittedly as done has an all kind of

34:19 Plastic surgery done and she looks pretty good. You know she's very milfy can't quite hand the you know hide the old hands but anyway, they take this group of celebrities, and they put them in the jungle and it's like a Reality show where you get you know you have to do trials and you get voted off by the public but it is enthralling. It is the most fantastic television you can imagine. Really? Oh it is. And yeah because these people, you know, it's not like the Big Brother house where you still have kind of luxuries. The entire program is built around food.

34:56 So you have your camp and you get food that you have to cook yourself every night But you have to complete a trial each day one of the members has to you know chosen by the public has to complete a trial and if you don't complete the trial then you know you You get less meals and then you wind up eating close to nothing or like rice and beans or something something like that and these people are constipated and It's really and they're sleeping outdoors and they have to do stuff like you know eat live creatures And you know sit in tubs with alligators, and you know creepy crawly shit eels I mean just usually shit that you know inherently is creepy crawly freaky well I think it's good that we this is what we do to our celebrities that fall off the A&B list it is totally a way back it is it is fantastic for them and

35:47 So well make a copy of one of those for me on a stick or something and let me take a look at Okay, well this Janice Dickinson who is a completely ruling the camp and you know half the women hate her You know she fell down the other the other day when she had to do a trial and she's so afraid and she can't do anything as you really see human nature come out and you can kind of tell what the people are gonna be like of course you know most people I Most people out there probably aren't not aware of the fact that typically I mean and Mark Burnett used to always harp on this that he hated the term reality TV and he's a guy who invented survivor and most of the really good shows right and he liked to call them unscripted dramas and They make you sign a lot of non-disclosures when you do one of these shows like a million of them So you can't say anything about how the show is actually constructed. Yeah, and then because it is constructed and

35:47 So well make a copy of one of those for me on a stick or something and let me take a look at Okay, well this Janice Dickinson who is a completely ruling the camp and you know half the women hate her You know she fell down the other the other day when she had to do a trial and she's so afraid and she can't do anything as you really see human nature come out and you can kind of tell what the people are gonna be like of course you know most people I Most people out there probably aren't not aware of the fact that typically I mean and Mark Burnett used to always harp on this that he hated the term reality TV and he's a guy who invented survivor and most of the really good shows right and he liked to call them unscripted dramas and They make you sign a lot of non-disclosures when you do one of these shows like a million of them So you can't say anything about how the show is actually constructed. Yeah, and then because it is constructed and

36:38 It's totally constructed and they also coach everybody and they say, okay, you're gonna sit down with this person and you find something to argue about and when you get a chance, throw a glass of wine in his face, we'll get it. And then they tell you exactly what to do and how to do it and they have certain people that do certain things and they always have the camera ready for that. It's always humorous. Nobody notices this little, what do you got, a million cameramen? I don't think so. And the whole thing's a phony baloney thing. Not that people aren't eating the bugs. And the worms and whatever hey, you know what you know what I did a reality show of our family called Adams family in 2000

37:18 I think, 2002, 2003. And we produced it all ourselves. So we had like one camera guy living with us, I did a camera, and I had one editor, everything done on Final Cut Pro and it was broadcast every Saturday night primetime on SBS Broadcasting in the Netherlands. You know, I have the rights to that. You know what we could do? First of all, I want you to see it because I think you can get a kick out of it because Even though it was completely unscripted and everything happened everything you saw was chronological order You'll see that just by editing. We really made it into something entertaining and particularly editing to hit records You know like soundtrack to your life type hit records Which I should put that up online because I have the right to that. Yeah, you should but I want to make me I want to make money off of it. Good luck. I

37:18 I think, 2002, 2003. And we produced it all ourselves. So we had like one camera guy living with us, I did a camera, and I had one editor, everything done on Final Cut Pro and it was broadcast every Saturday night primetime on SBS Broadcasting in the Netherlands. You know, I have the rights to that. You know what we could do? First of all, I want you to see it because I think you can get a kick out of it because Even though it was completely unscripted and everything happened everything you saw was chronological order You'll see that just by editing. We really made it into something entertaining and particularly editing to hit records You know like soundtrack to your life type hit records Which I should put that up online because I have the right to that. Yeah, you should but I want to make me I want to make money off of it. Good luck. I

38:09 But can we get to Chris Jacob to find a sponsor like Colgate or something or oh no You know what no I know I can get to the Mars Corporation. They wanted to sponsor the show and they said You know we'll give you and it was like 10,000 euros per episode if you feed your cats What is it Mars candy bars? No no they make? pure not not the Purina Like fancy feast or yeah, they do the skis or something yeah They so they do the they do candy bars because they also said and could you just have a couple of Mars bars later? Laying around product placement, and I'm like nah I really don't want to do that because you know then I'm really kind of breaking the barrier But I could I could probably get them to sponsor it they might still be no listed Talking about that product placement in the last episode of others this show I think it's called 30 like you know for some reason I can't quite remember the name of the show, but it's 30 rock with 30 rock Tina Fey sure love her she sure right in the middle of the show she's

39:09 So she's getting into an argument with Jack the boss, and he says, I've got to go. And he says, I just happened, he was with somebody, and they end up swapping phones. And so he says, I accidentally thought my phone was her phone, and she must have thought her phone was mine. And Tina Fey goes, well, that's interesting, because that's such a beautiful Verizon phone you got there from Verizon. I think it makes me want to run to the Verizon store right now to get a Verizon phone. And then she looks right into the camera and says, do we get paid now? Is that Alec Baldwin her boss? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's funny man. I like her well She did well Baldwin is definitely doing his best work. Yeah as a comic. Yeah. Yeah, I know that that is very cool So wrap it up maybe with the writer strike which is still ongoing I hear the 26 they're gonna go back to the negotiating table

39:09 So she's getting into an argument with Jack the boss, and he says, I've got to go. And he says, I just happened, he was with somebody, and they end up swapping phones. And so he says, I accidentally thought my phone was her phone, and she must have thought her phone was mine. And Tina Fey goes, well, that's interesting, because that's such a beautiful Verizon phone you got there from Verizon. I think it makes me want to run to the Verizon store right now to get a Verizon phone. And then she looks right into the camera and says, do we get paid now? Is that Alec Baldwin her boss? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's funny man. I like her well She did well Baldwin is definitely doing his best work. Yeah as a comic. Yeah. Yeah, I know that that is very cool So wrap it up maybe with the writer strike which is still ongoing I hear the 26 they're gonna go back to the negotiating table

40:01 Yeah, go to the Dvorak.org blog site and look at the last Rider Strike video, which was done by some staffers at the Daily Show. And if nothing else, we're going to get some good videos out of these guys because they seem to be getting itchy. and uh... but the writer strike you know the if you start watching that with the you have to say on their videos that they're putting on you tube uh... you know you have to take their side on this whole thing even though i still think it could have been pretty good maybe a little premature what they did but they really did get screwed a lot of these uh... these deals you know i i agree they they got screwed and i think they do need to be made a whole and they do have to have a some kind of model set up in the future the only thing that

40:01 Yeah, go to the Dvorak.org blog site and look at the last Rider Strike video, which was done by some staffers at the Daily Show. And if nothing else, we're going to get some good videos out of these guys because they seem to be getting itchy. and uh... but the writer strike you know the if you start watching that with the you have to say on their videos that they're putting on you tube uh... you know you have to take their side on this whole thing even though i still think it could have been pretty good maybe a little premature what they did but they really did get screwed a lot of these uh... these deals you know i i agree they they got screwed and i think they do need to be made a whole and they do have to have a some kind of model set up in the future the only thing that

40:41 I just got a little itchy about is, you know, this could happen with any cog in the wheel. You know, it's not like, you know, sure, if there's no writing, then there's no show. But there's a lot of unions that if they, you know, drop out, then it's, you know, it's gonna be just as bad and there really won't be any shows either. You know what I mean? Well, we'll always have the no agenda show. I'm looking... Getting Paid is the name of the game? Is that the video? Yeah. Hold on a second. Let me just see, I wonder if you can hear this. Probably not. Do you hear that? No. Oh, okay. Bummer. Yeah, you're coming through the same interface. Oh well. Alright, damn, John, 41 minutes. Not bad for a Saturday afternoon here in London. Morning for you. Ah, I've already been shopping with my wife.

40:41 I just got a little itchy about is, you know, this could happen with any cog in the wheel. You know, it's not like, you know, sure, if there's no writing, then there's no show. But there's a lot of unions that if they, you know, drop out, then it's, you know, it's gonna be just as bad and there really won't be any shows either. You know what I mean? Well, we'll always have the no agenda show. I'm looking... Getting Paid is the name of the game? Is that the video? Yeah. Hold on a second. Let me just see, I wonder if you can hear this. Probably not. Do you hear that? No. Oh, okay. Bummer. Yeah, you're coming through the same interface. Oh well. Alright, damn, John, 41 minutes. Not bad for a Saturday afternoon here in London. Morning for you. Ah, I've already been shopping with my wife.

41:41 So that's it for this week. I'm John C. DeVorek here in Northern California. I'm Adam Curry right underneath London in the United Kingdom. We have no agenda, but we'll be doing it again soon. Bye. So long. The Best and the Brightest. Served up daily by the sharpest minds in content delivery, pod show and limelight.