Episode 319 · Thursday, 7 July 2011

Boob Bombs!

Intelligence reports of surgically implanted explosives trigger new security fears while White House staff utilize salary loopholes and the IMF undergoes a leadership transition under Christine Lagarde.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 319

About this episode

The Transportation Security Administration and Associated Press are circulating reports of surgically implanted explosives, a narrative dubbed the boob bomber plot. This intelligence regarding terrorists using surgical enhancements to bypass airport security coincides with European Parliament votes on body scanner health risks. The narrative serves as a potential justification for more invasive pat-downs and increased surveillance infrastructure across global transit hubs.

Barack Obama participated in a Twitter Town Hall moderated by Jack Dorsey, where curators from the Truman Project and data from Salesforce Radian6 filtered public inquiries. Meanwhile, reports indicate White House staff bypassed a public pay freeze through job title changes, with employees like Matthew Vogel receiving significant salary increases. In the private sector, Goldman Sachs reportedly lost 98 percent of a 1.3 billion dollar investment from the Libyan Investment Authority, a move characterized as a premeditated heist of sovereign wealth prior to the civil war. Additional scrutiny falls on a new study linking SSRIs like Prozac to autism, which the New York Times is accused of downplaying to protect pharmaceutical interests.

Former President Bill Clinton faces criticism for a rambling speech that confused the Declaration of Independence with the Preamble to the Constitution. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak also memorialize long-time contributor Bubba Martin while deconstructing the robotic talking points of UK politicians Ed Miliband and George Osborne. The episode concludes with a look at NASA launching lithium into the ionosphere and the surveillance implications of H.R. 1981.


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CHAPTER 01 / 27 Discussion

Bubba Martin Memorial, No Agenda Community Contributor

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show by memorializing Bubba Martin, a long-time contributor and moderator of the Dvorak.org cage match who passed away on July 4th. The hosts discuss his history of providing detailed show notes for early episodes and his recurring health struggles. Technical difficulties with a new Skype interface interrupt the segment briefly before they return to the discussion.

bubba martin· cage match· dvorak.org· skype· memorial

00:00 He looked like a guy with a stick up his butt. Adam Curry. John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, July 7th, 2011. Time for your Gidmore Nation Media Assassination Episode 319-er. This is no agenda. Combating mass mind control from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center give a nation west in the People's Republic of Southern California Which I will soon say adios mofos in the morning I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where we've got the fireworks if you missed them on the fourth. I'm John C. Dvorak I Got me a bell now, too. Oh you did yeah, I

00:41 A sound engineer actually said, hey man, I don't know if you or John is playing that clip of that bell. It sounds really crappy. Let me give you a high quality version. Dude, it's a real bell. So he sent me a high quality ding. Yeah, yours is a... my bell's sitting on the desk over here. If I put it close to the microphone like this and tapped it, it would probably be more to his liking. Hey, listen to that. We have like different tones. Hit yours. it winds at the so uh... they are you doing we want to mention that right off and how you doing that hello uh... how about an in-line and how about every in the morning but we do have a bad for one bad note that we want to mention one of our members of the no agenda family passed away and done just on the fourth of july uh... baba martin who uh... was our first uh...

01:39 Posted the early no agenda shows with X with copious Notes on everything we talked about and no shows are still as posts or classics Yeah, because we've never done that since and because he felt ill with something. We don't know what it was He would never tell us about it. I've chatted with him and it didn't help and the finally unfortunately and you can go just if you have condolences, please go to the Dvorak org slash cage match and where he was one of the co-moderators. Yeah, it's a very sad day. I know he was sick and he would drop out of the picture for months at a time. He'd come back and say, hey, I almost died but I'm back. Yeah, he would do that all the time. And he'd always say that. He'd say, yeah, I just about, I almost died this time. He would never tell us what the deal was. No, I'm gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss crazy old Bubba. Yeah, well.

02:36 How does that feel? Does it get easier to miss people as you get older? Does it like, oh well, you know, whatever? Are you just waiting for Europe? I think it's always the same. I think once you realize that this is going to happen to people, I think it's a steady state personally. It doesn't seem to get worse or better. Oh boy, oh boy. The new Skype is doing great. Hello? Yeah. See, I knew it. Hello? Hello, I mean you know John John. Oh, yeah, I'd lost you completely. Oh boy. Oh boy. It's the new sky Yeah, Microsoft John John hold on we got to reinitiate Contact because you're not hearing what I'm saying. There's a huge delay. I'm gonna call you right back. I'm hearing everything you say Yeah, but you're hearing me 15 seconds late. Oh Hold on Just leave it to professionals. Okay, let's try it again. Oh

03:44 Oh, pfff, now how do I figure out this damn Skype interface? Oh my goodness. What? Call this person? No, I don't want to call this per- ugh. I don't know how to make it work. Oh no! The new Skype interface. It says call phone? No, call Skype- oh, I- what, I can't- there we go. Oh my god. You there? Calling Baranka. You know, they've changed the interface where I couldn't even figure out how to call you. Wow. Yeah, it said call phone. And I called the phone and it pops up a box and says, what's his number? No, I want to call you on Skype. You got to hit a drop down now. They're like forcing you to make phone calls.

04:29 This is not good. That's not good. All right, so I'm sorry continue about Bubba. Well, I was saying that doesn't get easier doesn't get harder It doesn't really change that much just it's just I think people dying is highly annoying Yeah, yeah, that's what? Yeah, it's really you know, it's a shame because you know Bubba was it just he was a very big contributor a lot of stuff that we did early on and a lot and that cage match which He was a big part of his Hopefully continue on we got to Harris in there who does has picked up the slack Anyway, and in the morning to all the human resources in the chat room Charges up and ready to go just the way the government loves them as we are broadcasting live today As per usual every Sunday and Thursday at no agenda stream calm. We got a chat room. No agenda chat net and Yeah, so rest in peace Bubba you will be missed

CHAPTER 02 / 27 Discussion

Casey Anthony Verdict, Constitutional Jury System Criticism

The acquittal of Casey Anthony in her daughter's death sparks a debate regarding the American jury system and the Sixth Amendment. Media figures like Nancy Grace and Anderson Cooper are criticized for inciting public outrage that leads to calls for "professional jurors." The discussion highlights how mainstream media narratives potentially undermine constitutional protections by framing jury verdicts as failures of justice.

casey anthony· nancy grace· jury of peers· constitution· professional jurors

05:27 So, Johnny boy, I think we're in big, big trouble in the United States of Gitmo Nation. Something happened this week which really disturbed me deeply. Did you notice anything? Well, there's a bunch of stuff that happened. uh... which i have my own take on i mean the course of distraction there's two distractions of the week one and get more nation uh... and uh... which is the uh... soulful on hacking and then the one on our side of the uh... water is the uh... k c anthony uh...

06:09 court case which seems to have chewed up everybody's time. Well that's the one I want to talk about briefly because now we've identified a new meme and by the way this is the kind of thing I believe that they that the drinking club the Bilderberg group probably discusses when they're all hanging out so I have a feeling that during their last meeting or maybe the one before they all sat down and said you know what it's time to get rid of that stupid Constitution this is annoying and it's in our way And we've been noticing this anti-constitution meme. I think we first picked up on it when that Farik GPS CNN dude, the Pakistani-American, I still want to see his green card, you know started basically saying well it was written in a dark dank dusty room and you know they couldn't imagine terrorists. So this guy is still all over the place. But with this case... Yeah, they didn't know anything about global warming. Yeah, of course not.

07:07 So with this... Don't forget the Time Magazine cover story. The Time Magazine cover story with the Constitution actually shredded at the bottom. So here's what's happened. For those of you who don't know, this Casey Anthony... if you're not in the United States of Gitmo Nation, you probably don't know about it or only heard about it briefly. It's been going on for three years. Very short, a little girl dies. And as it turns out, she drowned in the swimming pool. Her mom, very young mother, tried to cover it up, came up with all kinds of scenarios. And there's a three... and she's been incarcerated for this three-year trial.

07:44 And by the way, this has been almost the sole ratings driver for headline news, particularly Nancy Grace. Yeah, and it also became a ratings driver for Anderson Cooper, CNN, and a lot of other stations, and MSNBC also got in on it. And so of course what happens is we've had all these so-called lawyers, some of them actually used to be lawyers or were lawyers or whatever, who are television talking heads. They've been just presenting all the evidence and how this is, you know horrible and she killed her daughter and she's a horrible person She killed her daughter so that she could go out and party and and it's become an obsession over the past three years for the unawakened human resources here in and get monation So what happens is after 33 days of trial? Could you throw it in my face, please build a burg. Thank you the jury

08:39 basically acquits her and says you know what she's not guilty she is guilty of lying to the police which is a pathological liar she was believed she was abused as a child and it's kind of screwed up right so there's a lot going on there but now this is this is the important part a jury of her peers this is the way that this is I would say is and this is the set what which amendment is the the jury of your peers John is that fourth amendment I think it's in the Constitution right and and by the way I have been in courts in other countries and I've always won like what some douchebag judge is gonna determine none and I said where's my jury of my peers I go like his son you're not in America son you're here in the lowlands where the professional judges determine what's gonna happen

09:35 So the way it's supposed to work is you get a jury of your peers and if they believe that you're innocent until your guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which I think is a pretty good system. Now of course it's been manipulated, you know, there's all kinds of, you know, the jury selection process is very specific. And of course, no system where you're judging anybody can ever work 100% of the time, but from personal experience, I'll tell you, I'd much rather have a jury of my peers, 12 of them, who are going to determine my fate versus a professional judge, and there's a whole reason behind that.

10:13 But what has happened is because the, and I just have to say the slaves here, have been so indoctrinated by Nancy Grace, by Anderson Cooper, by all of these talking heads That they are outraged that the jury said you know what we've looked at all the evidence We're a jury of peers were you know just doing our job? They didn't have any anything there was no evidence that was the problem Let me just finish This is really important because what is now going on is all across the media mainstream people are freaking out

10:53 saying two things one this is ridiculous it's horrible this can't be and they're actually calling now for professional jurors this is a pure attack on the American Constitution and the way the justice system works here let me give an example this is from st. Louis there's some douchebag DJ morning DJ called cornbread if you can believe it and they keep cutting from a television news morning show, they keep cutting back to this guy and this is the kind of stuff that is being propagated. Good morning, I've never seen the radio show so emotionally charged and I'm trying to figure out what is the emotional connection, why are people so concerned about this case?

11:36 and i think it's just what we don't like when there's unfairness out there we don't like when something's been hijacked and i think a lot of people are thinking that that might be the problem with our supposedly the best justice system in the world hi good morning cornbread our justice system has failed this little girl if the mom didn't do it then who did it and now they're gonna actually try and go after somebody when i heard the verdict i just actually started crying yesterday because it just breaks my heart like you said monkey could figure this one out you know go on Facebook because what people are saying on Facebook some of the language actually frightens me a little bit of how upset people are about this verdict. Yes sir, good morning Mr. Kornbringer. Sometimes I wonder about the justice system. All the evidence shown against the little girl was right there in the trunk. Are they stuck on stupid sir? I totally agree. Another OJ Simpson, duh!

12:25 I love your show on Channel 5 here. I love your show on Channel 5. Everywhere you look, it's one side or the other. This guy thinks a little different. Hey, Cornbread, you got my blood boiling this morning real quick. Were you guys in the courtroom? Apparently the jury didn't feel that they proved their case. I'm a reasonable man. I mean anybody with common sense if there's chloroform in your trunk why that's evidence if There's a bag of duct tape that came from your house in the woods with the little girl That's evidence if you don't say something about your child for 30 days. Is there a parent? among us that when our kid is missing the point is a demig this cornbread guy for one thing they never that that that whole core from in the trunk thing turned out to be a red herring and it was never proven this guy is as a douchebag I don't think he has any influence whatsoever except a bunch of with morons that listen to a show I'm in total disagreement with you I don't think there's any movement at all oh it's just the opposite oh no no no John you

13:23 It is, everybody is outraged and they are now, and there's, just go ahead and Google right now, consult the book of knowledge, should we have a professional juror system? This is the meme that is now being injected and put it in the book for, I'll even say by Sunday you're seeing this everywhere. Anderson Cooper will do it, everyone's gonna be, should we have professional jurors now that justice has failed this dead child? Watch. Did I lose ya? I know, I'm writing it in the book. Nice.

14:03 this uh... and this is this is a my this is and i'll tell you why i say this two things one i mean yeah i'm sure all these these lunatics out there that listen to nancy grace and take his gospel are all into this but the new york times is not into this at all they get that they had one very objective story about the case and that was all they ran was on the front page yesterday the day before and if you're listening to the right wing talkers who have much more influence in these morning chat guys in terms of like political movements in terms of political action and you'd see it starts off a sean hannity who is probably the most womanly of all these guys and he out now it says that this case was a ridiculous they would do woman was was not guilty they did had no case against her there was no evidence and he went out he spent a whole show on it and then did it again on television and all the other right wingers at the same thing and they've gone back to politics bashing obama mostly to get

14:59 back on the real track of things this is a huge distraction and at least these guys realized it. Okay well we can agree to disagree and you've written it down in the book and I guarantee you this is another subtle attack on the Constitution. I'm not saying it's not an attack but this is ongoing and I have a couple clips that you know have Clinton basically kind of attacking things, Bill and and uh... yeah i don't know i i thought this story was a uh... was a and i think you'll be forgotten about two or three weeks which one is this on the declaration of independence you are looking at a little while uh... i think it to a three weeks this will be a forgotten story specially when it comes to win i think the real point if i was going to be arguing about the whole case i would say this is a classic example of why we need a jury system because

15:50 This was another case, especially in Florida, this happens all the time, where you have prosecutors that are overstepping their authority and going for the kill. They went out of their way to try to find a pre... they accused her of premeditated murder. John, I don't... I think it's unnecessary for us to debate the legality of the trial. I don't care about the trial. I don't care about her... You cared enough about it to spend the first 15 minutes on it. No, I know... Dude, what are you talking about? I do not care... What I care about is that people are now calling for a change in the way the justice system works. That's what I'm talking about. They've been doing that forever. I mean, I don't think this is a new thing and I don't think it's going to get anywhere. I think you're right though. I mean, this is a case of just trying to destroy. I think destroying the Constitution is different than this.

CHAPTER 03 / 27 Discussion

Fareed Zakaria, Constitutional Interpretation Debate

Fareed Zakaria and Simon Schama are critiqued for their televised discussion regarding the U.S. Constitution's relevance in the modern era. The hosts analyze claims that the document is a "brief document" intended for filling in blanks rather than a rigid legal framework. The segment mocks the idea that the Founding Fathers' lack of knowledge about global warming or modern drugs invalidates their original intent.

fareed zakaria· cnn· constitution· james madison· global warming

16:45 I think the real action when it comes to destroying the Constitution is to slip in a bunch of non-legal stuff about global warming. This is what they're doing in Iceland. I'm just looking at the Iceland model. They want to put in stuff about social justice, about global warming and all these other things in the Constitution in Iceland. You want to hear Farid? I don't want to... yeah, I don't. But play him. Welcome back. Still with us, Fareed Zakaria and Simon Schama. So the Tea Party's invocation of the Constitution, is it ahistorical? Does it misinterpret at its essence what this Constitution has been for the entirety of our nation's history? Well, I think that they're right to recognize that America is unique in that it has... Hold on a second. Stop!

17:36 Why are they asking him? And it's get worse because the guy sitting with Farrik That's you know who that is right? That's what's his spitzer who just got who just got cancelled. Spitzer's been taken off the air. As predicted. As predicted. And Pooper's next. Yeah, no, it's worse. They're talking to Farik and some English dude, some Brit is on the show talking about the Constitution and he... you gotta hear it. At its core, not a blood and soil nationalism, but a document, a document about political ideas. and we should cherish them and we should debate them but where they're wrong i think is in thinking that it points in any one simple monolithic direction it really is this brief document that allows you to fill in the blanks over the over the you know the last two hundred and twenty two years uh... i'm sorry john in case you didn't know the constitution is just it's just a brief document that lets you fill in the blanks

18:36 Yes, so are the Ten Commandments. Yeah, thank you. They've been in business for a couple of thousand years. Let's rewrite the Ten Commandments. Good idea. I like that. Good one. That should be a... We could get global warming in there. That should be a Ten Commandments... a Talking Points email. Yeah, we need the global warming, that thou shalt not pollute the earth. Yeah, thou shalt not bear false witness or covet thy neighbor's donkey. Or is it wife? I can't remember. What's the difference? Yeah, so this is really... Don't play play, I want to hear more of this. Filled with disagreements from the founding fathers onward and so the idea that you can magically say the Constitution says this and it, you know, people keep saying well what would Madison have said about modern drug policy, what would Washington... I mean who knows? The world they knew was so different. What do you mean? They all smoked dope back then. It was not that different. Different was it?

19:35 the What a dick. That's so not true. That's what they want for us to be completely opposed and hate your neighbor, but it's not true. People aren't only Democrat or Republican or red or blue.

CHAPTER 04 / 27 Discussion

Barack Obama Twitter Town Hall, Jack Dorsey Interview

President Barack Obama participated in a "Twitter Town Hall" moderated by Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey. The hosts deconstruct the event's staging, noting the use of "curators" from the Truman Project and data analysis from Salesforce Radian6 to filter questions. Gaffes are highlighted, including the President's use of the terms "tweeter" and "internets" during his responses.

barack obama· jack dorsey· twitter· salesforce· radian6

20:27 There's all, everyone has, everyone, there's grey about what the federal government should be. Let us have, not literally a constitutional convention, let us have a great convention of debate. Yeah, okay, let's do that. They're trying to get rid of it now. No, I know they are. This is, this is what's going on. Here's one more important thing from President Obama's tweet up, which we have to talk about. Oh, stop for a minute. You watched it right I watched it and I tracked all of the tweeters in real time Can we just can we back into it with one of the questions that relates? But before we do I want make sure that people go check out a video or a picture of it so you can visualize What it looked like on stage Yeah, there's a Jack Dorsey and

21:20 the one of the co-founders of Twitter with a jacket that suits in a suit jacket too tight with a I think it was a broom handle up his ass The guy was like, and he was sitting up at 90 degrees to the camera so he was a complete profile the whole time and he was stiff and he had his back arched and he wasn't pushed against the back of the chair and he was just he looked like a guy with a stick up his butt. That's kind of what I said. So I want to back into this but one of the questions

21:58 Was something that we've discussed on the show is the this 14th amendment which will not work, but there's a big Reasonably big call out there for the president to invoke the 14th amendment which means we maintain the full faith and credit of these United States of America and Therefore need to raise the debt ceiling part of that charade that a WrestleMania American Idol show that's going on right now whether or not we're going to raise the debt limit ceiling or not. So this question comes up and the president propagates the anti-constitution meme.

22:57 Let me as quickly as I can describe what's at stake with respect to the debt ceiling. Historically, the United States, whenever it has a deficit, it finances that deficit through the sale of treasuries. And this is a very common practice over our lifetimes. Typically the government's always running a modest deficit. And Congress is supposed to vote on the amount of debt that... You want to stop at the modest or what do you want to do? I'm just saying, my God, what is he kidding? This is modest. What's 14 trillion amongst friends?

23:50 but it gets better. ...of debt that Treasury can essentially issue. It's a pretty esoteric piece of business. No, it's esoteric. Like, you don't need to understand it, Slave. Everybody gets it. Don't worry about it. It's esoteric. Typically has not been something that created a lot of controversy. What's happening now is that Congress is suggesting we may not vote to raise the debt ceiling. If we do not, then the Treasury will run out of money. It will not be able to pay the bills that are owing, and potentially the entire world's capital markets could decide, you know what, the full faith and credit of the United States doesn't mean anything. And so our credit could be downgraded, interest rates could go drastically up, and it could cause a whole new spiral into a second recession or worse.

24:51 So this is something that we shouldn't be toying with. What Dexter's question referred to was there are some people who say that under the Constitution it's unconstitutional for Congress not to allow Treasury to pay its bills, and are suggesting that this should be challenged under the Constitution. I don't think we should even get to the constitutional issue. Congress has a responsibility to make sure we pay our bills. We've always paid them in the past. The notion that the U.S. is going to default on its debt is just irresponsible. And my expectation is, is that over the next week to two weeks, that Congress, working with the White House, comes up with a deal that solves our deficit

25:40 solves our debt problems and makes sure that our full faith and credit is protected. So he says he doesn't even need to go there. A constitutional law professor who just says, no we don't need to go there. And I understand, he does not at any point does he want to have to deal with the Constitution at all. Otherwise he'd have to deal with the Constitution on Libya and many other issues. So I think it's a part of a very large scheme and everything points to it. No, I'm in total agreement there's a scheme afoot to create a, to get rid of the Constitution. You want to have a laugh? You want to have some laughs for this, this, this tweeter thing? There was so many funny things in it. I wish I was, you know, unfortunately I was doing the X3. People can go check it out, x3show.mevo.com.

26:33 So I didn't get to record anything so I was hoping you'd get a few clips that way I knew there was gonna be some but you know it was again when I watched it I watched the beginning it's a you know a question comes in they didn't play any of the no agenda questions. I wonder why this is so incredibly surprising. And this guy with a stick up his butt would ask this the lamest just standard stock questions that you see all the time and then Obama go off on a 10-minute blah blah blah blah blah he never stops talking he's really good at stalling time and the number of questions they there were yes and no questions he'd start yakking away on. So I recorded some of the funny bits. The opening I thought was was fantastic and by the way in the show notes at 319er.nashownotes.com every single person who tweeted a question I immediately went to their Twitter page

27:27 And I look at who they were. A lot of these were created on the same day. There was one person who was actually sitting in the audience there whose question was answered. And I'd say about 55% of the Twitter questions that were posed were from journalists. And there's a couple different organizations. Well, you have to hear the opening setup is kind of what got me suspicious right from the start as if we didn't know this was a Ministry of Truth operation. Good afternoon and welcome... This is the guy with the stick up his butt. ...to the White House. I am Jack Dorsey from Twitter. Through more than 200 million tweets per day, people around the world use Twitter to instantly connect to what's most meaningful to them.

28:15 In every country, Egypt and Japan, the UK and the United States, much of this conversation is made up of everyday people engaging in spirited debate. What is this an advertisement? Oh it gets better, listen to what he's advertising. Sure, of their countries. Our partners at Salesforce Radiant 6. Salesforce Radiant 6, any idea what that is? No, no Salesforce radian six a very very cool Outfit they Analyze the tweeters and of course, you know, I immediately was like, oh wow. Let me go check out this company Salesforce radian six has a special feature called listening integration and

29:05 with features developed on their platform API and social metrics framework for integrating third-party data radian six provides a next-generation listening platform that includes the integration of social media monitoring and analysis this is the CIA is what this is so the CIA we're not running this company I know because we're stupid We're watching C-SPAN. ...studied more than a million tweets discussing our nation's politics over the recent weeks, and they found that America's financial security to be one of the most actively talked about topics on Twitter. Tweeter. They further found that President Obama's name comes up in more than half of these conversations.

29:49 and so today this vibrant discussion comes here to the white house and you get to ask the questions to participate just open your web browser and go to askobama.twitter.com neither the president or i know the questions that will be asked today now that's what's interesting because during these questions he continuously would say this. So 10% of our questions now are about education and this one was surfaced from our curator in California. Curator. They had these curators. Yeah, they were pre-clued into what questions they should be accepting. Exactly. And they feed them in so the whole concept that we are just a big mystery. No idea. Behind a soundproof booth.

30:46 With the headphones on with loud rock music. I have no idea. I don't know what's coming next Yeah curators, and you see these curators. They're like from the Truman Organization was a Truman. What is it called the? It's the Truman something or other. I don't know. The Truman Project, which is a intelligence recruitment organization. The Truman Project. The questions from a guy from the Truman Project got answered. Like, okay. That decision is driven entirely by the Twitter users. So not by curators, but entirely by the Twitter users. Lie, Dorsey. And so, let's get the conversation started. And why was there no agenda question if that's true?

31:28 Because it's a lie. Now listen to the president. He comes out. I've been practicing this. Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. Hello everybody! Hello! Hello! How are you doing? Good to see you. How are you? Good to see you. Nice to meet you. How are you? Good to see you. How are you? Good to see you. Hi, how are you? Good to see you. Nice to see you. How are you? Good. Hey, how are you? Nice to see you. He's programmed. How are you? Nice to see you. Hey, how are you? Nice to see you. Hi, how are you? Nice to see you. Hey, good to see you. How are you? Nice to see you. Hey, good to see you. Hello everybody. Now listen to Dorsey. Dorsey does a classic. First of all, everybody can sit down. Hey, how are you? Nice to see you. It's much easier to tweet from a seated position. And I understand you want to start the conversation off with a tweet of yourself. A tweeter! He said it!

32:28 I as he say tweeter he said and tweeter I fell off my chair listen with the tweeter yourself it messes it up because he wants a tweeter that's the co-founder the place and he knows it's tweet and you can always follow me on tweeter I gotta hear it again with the tweeter yourself he says tweeter I'm like, really, tweeter? But then Obama, our president, of course, you know, not to be upstaged, came out with this gem. We do have to make sure that there are computers in a computer age.

33:07 inside classrooms and that they work and that there's internets. Internets? George, what is this code? What are we missing here? Internets? He said internets. He said internets. He didn't say internets, he said internets. So what happens is he catches himself. I think someone is in his earpiece. He's not internets. And he corrects himself but he kind of like I know, I can see, I can almost see his brain going, oh crap, Curry and Dvorak are gonna play that one over and over again. Curry and Dvorak, he's thinking he's now sounding like George Bush. George Bush is saying it. Computers, in a computer age, inside classrooms, and that they work, and that there's internets that are actually, there are internet connections that actually...

CHAPTER 05 / 27 Discussion

Defense Budget Spending, Military Contractor Obligations

President Obama defends the scale of the U.S. defense budget during a public forum, citing obligations to troops in the field and veterans. The hosts argue that the $700 billion-plus budget primarily benefits large contractors like Raytheon rather than frontline personnel. They note the President's hesitation when describing the budget as "so big" and "so huge."

defense budget· raytheon· pentagon· veterans· military spending

33:59 We need some internets, Robata. We need some internets. Oh my goodness. Just a couple of crazy funny ones. I got two more. So of course, we gotta reduce spending. But we can't reduce the military. You can't do that, according to the president. But we have to do all of this in a fairly gradual way. We can't simply lop off 25% off the defense budget overnight. We simply can't do that. You can't lop off 20... Well, he's gonna explain. We have to think about all the obligations we have to our current troops who are in the field and making sure they're properly equipped and safe. That's... that really bothered me.

34:51 It's because of the troops in the field. It's not because of the hundreds of billions of dollars of government contracts with Raytheon and all these death-making companies and all the stuff that we... spare parts being made for stuff we don't even use anymore. No, no. It's for the troops in the field. We've got to make sure that we are meeting our commitments for those veterans who are coming home. Oh yeah, it's for the people whose limbs got blown off. That's why we can't just lop it off. We've got to make sure that in some cases we've got outdated equipment that needs to be replaced. And so I'm committed to reducing the defense budget, but as Commander-in-Chief, one of the things that we have to do is make sure that we do it in a thoughtful way that's guided by our security and our strategic needs. And I think we can accomplish that. And the nice thing about the defense budget is it's so big, it's so huge,

35:47 Again, you see him go, oh what am I, I shouldn't be saying that. Oh, I shouldn't be saying so big, because it is. It's, it's, it's, what is it, what is defense budget, John? 800 million dollars a year? 8, 9, billion, billion, billion, hello. I'm sorry, billions, almost, it's probably a trillion. And he goes, so big, so huge, and then someone's in his ear, like, oh, I gotta tone that down. You know, a 1% reduction is the equivalent of the education budget. Not, not, I'm exaggerating. That, I'm like, wow. 1% of the defense budget is the education budget. Does that tell you? This is like a huge, huge gaffe. Huge gaffe. The last one is $712 billion. Yeah, that's just of what they report.

CHAPTER 06 / 27 Discussion

White House Staff Pay Freeze, Title Change Loophole

Despite a public pay freeze for White House staff, reports indicate that many employees received significant salary increases through job title changes. Data tracked by Gawker shows staff members like Matthew Vogel and Michael Gottlieb receiving raises between 20% and 70% after technically resigning and being rehired. The hosts characterize these maneuvers as a deceptive way to bypass fiscal austerity measures.

white house· pay freeze· matthew vogel· gawker· civil servants

36:42 Yeah, right, not including all of the under the table weird stuff that goes through all the intelligence agencies which has got to be monstrous. No, I'm sorry, defense spending is $881, every time you look, $895. It's more. And here was the big lie. It was kind of like a lie, but it wasn't a lie technically, it wasn't a lie. but bothersome. By the way, people who work in the White House, they've had their pay frozen since I came in, are high-wage folks. So they haven't had a raise in two and a half years, and that's appropriate because a lot of ordinary folks out there haven't either. In fact, they've seen their pay cut in some cases. What do you need a big pay day for when your wife has a $1 million budget for personal assistance?

37:28 Well, he's saying he has access to the 747. She flies all over the world, but she's not taking it It's not out of pocket. Well, he's talking about people But it's not true it's not true now technically people had a pay freeze so what they did is they took people like Matthew Vogel and they gave him a different title and So we move from $59,000 in 2010 to $130,000. There's a list here, which actually I give Gawker credit for this. They tracked it all down and no one got a pay raise, but what happened is they got new titles. Oh, you know, it's like making someone a VP. Yeah, they got them all promoted. Yeah, and so most of these people have between 50 and 70% pay increases.

38:18 Michael Gottlieb quit his post of Special Assistant and Associate Counsel and then took the job again and came back in and got 20% increase. It went from $114,000 to $130,000. My God! So this is basically the President just lying. Well, technically he's not because no one got an increase but they said, well why don't you just quit and then come back in a month and then we'll hire you back. 21 of the of Obama's staff are making a minimum of $172,000 per year. That's a lot of money for civil servants. Yeah, well you gotta see the I've got a breakdown of some stuff. It's like so ridiculous to get such a rabbit hole of information I haven't brought on the show yet which is just mind-boggling wastes of money that all in Washington I mean it's like you want to cut the budget just fire all these bureaucrats that don't really do anything.

39:21 Because you can't lop off the defense budget, you know, because it's so huge. It's so big. It's so massive. It's a... Apparently the economy has to completely tank and we have to go into an out-and-out depression before we get rid of these, essentially, people that don't do anything and they get paid a lot of money for not doing anything. That's exactly right. so anyway that's a yeah yeah so it's all good let's get some executive producers out of the way while we're well let's not just get him out of the way let's thank them profusely for their well let's thank some profusely yes let's thank us someone anonymously right off the bat yeah we got an anonymous donor and out of Mill Valley just doesn't want to be mentioned he's 333 33 I'm gonna have to mention him anyway it's a Steven Spielberg as a matter of fact who has

CHAPTER 07 / 27 Discussion

Executive Producer Donations, Value for Value Support

The hosts acknowledge high-tier donations from the "No Agenda" community, including contributions from New Zealand, Australia, and the United States. Listeners donate for various reasons, including birthdays, "podcast licenses," and memorial requests. A discussion of the band Blue Cheer is triggered by a donor's note about 1960s power trios.

paypal· donation· podcast license· blue cheer· value for value

40:17 right right actually Spielberg doesn't live in Mill Valley and that's mr. anonymous Ian Larson Auckland New Zealand writes in after a $333.33 donation in the morning John Adam and all the other slaves listening I hope you find my donation somehow got to you from the evil elites at PayPal can you make it a credit for the show on July 14th Is this what we're on today? No, we're on Sunday. No, this is a week early. Good work. Okay, we'll move it up. We will not credit you as an objective producer on today's show. We'll do it on the 14th. Okay. My magic number 111 birthday, I will be 47 years young. Oh, that's right, because he did the calculation.

41:04 uh... and best deal day and show three twenty one i want to make this donations the first step toward a posthumous knighthood for my son michael and make a karma request for all the producers listeners out there that have lost friends family to suicide is my goodness so what i think you're going to do we've got okay so we will get it again next week and we'll do that we'll do it it will will move it forward by the special goodness in canyon lake california three thirty three thirty three derren phillips in flagstaff hill south australia 319 in the morning John Adams started listening to your show a couple weeks ago and love it as you espouse value for value please accept this donation of $319 not sure if this gets me into the 319 club if it does doesn't I'll rectify it next time I donate probably to show 3 2 1 a lot of people are in on 3 2 1 can you please de-douche me and hit us up with some karma give him a double all right I'm happy to do that you've been de-douche you've got karma

42:01 Justin Seitz in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 319 had to donate since you these are both members of the 319 club had to donate since you finally got my name right last time you don't last time you donated glad to hear that you're ditching California's talking to you Adam yeah an avid listener to the Adam Carolla podcast all for all his rants about the LAPD screwing this it screwing the citizens makes me never want to visit And you shouldn't. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is where Justin's located. And by the way, San Francisco is just as bad. Don't go there either. Yeah, we're on Monday, we're doing a day trip to Vegas. You'll look at some real estate. Oh. I.e. rental homes. There should be a lot of deals there. Oh, John, it's unbelievable.

42:53 It's really unbelievable what for the same amount we're paying here, you know, we can have like an extra we have two bedrooms we can have like a third bedroom and a studio for uh, you know now I'm in my in the pool. Yeah, and right now I'm in a corner, you know of a little room in the back. Well, it sounds great though Adam the way you've set it up. What do you mean? No, I'm just kidding. I don't know. Jeffrey Stark, Alexandria, Virginia in the morning, John Adam, July 7th is not only a no agenda show day, but my 25th birthday. Please make a note. He's I don't see him on the list. No. As such, I've decided to donate $10 for every year I've been alive. All right. Hmm. That's not a bad idea. Could you please give me a birthday shout out in the shadow of karma? I'm headed up the mountains of Pennsylvania for a birthday weekend with my friends will undoubtedly get drunk and start hitting them in the mouth with some truths.

43:48 Yay. He needs a karma shot. Yeah. Well, you've got karma. $250. Matthew Guthrie, Mount Eliza, Victoria, Australia to 3333 in the morning. Do you? From Gitmo Nation down under, love the show. I currently have two highlights a week, Thursday and Sunday, which make my days as a slave worthwhile. Yay! I would like to donate $200 to the Lindsay Lohan Tweeter Promotion Fund. $33 and 33 cents for a podcast license. Wouldn't want to be breaking the law by listening to you guys. Could you please pass some karma to my good friend Shane Pascoe, who is struggling at the moment with a number of douchebags he's having to deal with at work. Yeah, well that sucks.

44:31 karma baby you've got karma Mathias Andersons and I got a bunch of symbols on here from Copenhagen Denmark is what I believe it is 222 222 Mattias Mattias Mattias Anderson Anderson Copenhagen Copenhagen Copenhagen where they now have borders again Yeah, about time. Felix Schuttle, $201.50. He wants a little plug for areweinbusiness.com. Don O'War, Columbus, Ohio. Don O'War. I go by Don O'War, that's what I got.

45:17 Donna war more formally the legendary almighty Donna war born to live forevermore Donna war born to live forevermore I am sorry not too much of a poet please make the podcast license out to Don or war or W a are been listening to the show for years I wasn't really ready to donate till John started talking about going to see Blue Cheer back in the day. Ain't no cure for the summertime blues. So here's my money for rock and roll. Thanks for entertaining me at work while I sit. Blue Cheer, by the way, was one of the first power bands, power trios that I ever saw. They predated Cream. Oh yeah. And they would blow you back a couple feet when they turned on their amps. Yeah.

46:01 Wear everybody out there listening to the show is under the age of 30 wear ear protection Anyway, she says thanks for entertaining me at work. She listens to the show while she's at work in the cubicle as a wage slave. She canceled her cable and now no agenda is the primary news search source. Sorry. Thanks for keeping me well so well informed. I enjoy the crack pottery as entertainment whether I disagree with you sometimes it's not or not relevant because... Hey John, how's the meds doing man? Your reading is like... I don't need any real news political party or cause supporting group to tell me what I think. Anyway, thank you. That's $200 from Donna War. Wow. Well, thank you all so much for supporting the program. As you know, we do not... I was, oh man, I was in the car the other day, yesterday actually, and I, you know, I have to skip around, and I heard, I had no way to record it. NPR literally said, and this is KPCC in Los Angeles,

CHAPTER 08 / 27 Discussion

NPR Sales Strategy, Public vs Commercial Media

A critique of National Public Radio (NPR) and its affiliate KPCC focuses on their fundraising tactics and the blurring lines between "underwriting" and traditional advertising. The hosts discuss a job posting for a public media salesperson that explicitly compares the role to commercial media sales. They reiterate their commitment to a "value for value" model without corporate sponsors.

npr· kpcc· underwriting· advertising· public broadcasting

46:58 Please keep the donations coming because the majority of what keeps us on the air are your foundations. We don't play sponsors messages from commercial advertisers and meanwhile, yeah Completely and I was like, oh I wish I could have clipped that I went to their site and everything I couldn't it cuz it's like it's a drop right so they don't have that available on the site I was just blown away by that you do nothing but play commercial messages from underwriters Yeah, and they're also now talking about interrupting shows Well, as you always play them at the beginning in the end. Well, I'm now they're thinking well, you know, why don't we play him in the middle, too? Yeah, because you know, it's underwriting. It's not advertising. I

47:39 Someone actually I it's probably not the wrong time to bring it up, but wow I can't believe I thought I saved that there was an ad for for a salesperson a salesperson I can probably find it for a national public media and It literally said in the in the job offer there is no real difference between being a salesperson for commercial media or Or for public media, but there's no difference. It's exciting You're out for the kill and you're still and you're still going out for the same dollars It's like literally right there in the ad I'll find it for the donation segment. It's like wow

48:23 So, yeah. It's a fact and we know this. The fact that they keep telling the public that's not what it is, is ridiculous to me. Why don't they just admit it or give up? Why don't they say, look, we take all the money we can from any source we can get it from. We get it from advertisers, we get it from underwriters, we get it from you. Send us more money. We get more money than anybody does. Let's send more. You know, we don't do that. We don't have any advertisers on this show ever. And we never will. It would never work. We would stop doing the show if we have to do that. It wouldn't work. It wouldn't work. We'd be pulled off the air. Our advertisers would get attacked. It would be all over. It would never work. We wouldn't be able to speak our minds freely. And of course, that's going to end anyway eventually when the licensing comes into play. Yeah, well, that's true. I'm predicting that. So,

CHAPTER 09 / 27 Discussion

No Agenda PR, Hot Pockets 2008 Tour

Adam Curry announces the upcoming "No Agenda Hot Pockets 2008 Tour" (held in 2011), which involves traveling through Virginia in an RV to meet listeners. The segment includes a list of newly registered domain names pointing to the show and updates on the No Agenda Android mobile app. The hosts also briefly mention the News of the World phone-hacking scandal in the UK.

domain names· mobile app· virginia· pulled pork· hot pockets tour

49:15 We do appreciate you funding this program and making it possible for us to watch hours of boring C-Span and you know, watching hours of guys with stick up their butts asking shill questions. And the place to go do that is a vorac.org slash and a there are just a few PR announcements I'd like to make a couple of domain names We are now probably up to about 500 independently registered domain names all pointing to no agenda show calm green government org Which I think is a good one is now pointing to no agenda show calm We have we don't care about customers calm and monkeys throw poop at me calm very good. Thank you. I

49:57 Bogus news dot TV, which is a throwback to the previous episode like that. I can't believe that the following one was available dr. Pooper comm Now pointing to no agenda show comm I Dr. Dr. Pooper. You got dr. Pepper. Dr. Pooper. I've been doing that comm another nice one and TheMediaIsOwned.com, this is good, some good stuff here. And this one, I'm flabbergasted that no one had registered this. We have NoAgendaNighthood.com. And PhillyKrispyKreme.com. Yeah, we're not gonna get sued.

50:42 uh... and then we have no agenda university dot com no agenda institute dot com and then uh... the blow away of uh... of the week ask obama dot org now appointing to uh... no agenda show dot com fantastic good job on that one And quick mention of the No Agenda mobile app for Android. There'll be a link at the top in the show notes under the PR segment at 319.nashownotes.com. I think actually in the donation we got our cut from sales of the No Agenda mobile. It may not have, I don't think it actually amounted to up to $50.

51:20 So it may not we'll have to pull that forward, but we do appreciate that It has a couple new features listen to the live stream stream the last 10 episodes skip to any point in episode by tapping a location on the timeline which is cool and A glossary section to the loop to learn the history and meanings of recurring themes and catchphrases I can't see why anyone would need that and then one last reminder that Thank you In one week and one day, Ms. Mickey and I will depart on the No Agenda Hot Pockets 2008 Tour, which of course is being held conveniently in 2011. We fly to Virginia. We were picked up by some guy from the Pentagon.

52:03 will then drive us to... You'll never be seen again. Remember that guy we talked about this couple years ago, this guy who decides he has to go to the Pentagon to tell somebody some... Alright and he got shot. Some horrible story about some corruption in the government and he's knocking on the door and they shoot him. We don't need to know. I think somebody invited him. Yeah, come on over to the Pentagon. Hey, hey, shoot him. uh... there's a listener producer of the show he's a driving us to uh... there is no evidence in virginia's home where we are going to stay overnight i went to the show's season langley and how does she know fredericksburg

52:44 and that's a nice five by I've been to that beautiful beautiful that's beautiful and so that's where the the Hot Pockets no agenda get my nation tour RV is all geared up and ready to go and very excited about that you know Virginia especially some parts of Virginia if you go toward the southern part of the Virginia they it's probably the last bastion of a quality pulled pork I shall I shall make sure that we have some definitely I could just see miss Mickey's face pulled what cute was why she went you know what she's gonna fall in love with pull you're gonna make me eat what you don't seriously yeah okay all right okay wait I'm writing it down in the book yeah and then love pulled pork

53:34 This just came in news of the world shutting down amid phone hacking scandal. No, this is very interesting We can actually talk about that. So anyway moneymaker we thank you all so incredibly much for supporting the program and very excited about the tour We're looking forward to meeting so many of you out on the road and we will of course be doing the program live and no interruption at least if it's up to us and We'll be trying to acquire proper Wi-Fi for each individual show day. That will determine the most of how we take the trip. But if you have any suggestions, and I think we're going to get a lot more invitations and suggestions coming in in this last week, please send it to mickey at curry dot com. That's different from mickey curry dot com, which I don't think is active right now. Anyway, there is one thing you can do as always propagate the formula. Our formula is this.

CHAPTER 11 / 27 Discussion

NASA Lithium Release, Ionosphere Research

NASA plans to launch Terrier-Improved Orion rockets to release lithium into the ionosphere to track atmospheric movement. The hosts express skepticism about the safety and purpose of the experiment, with a listener suggesting a connection to HAARP. The discussion centers on whether these chemical clouds eventually descend to Earth or remain in the upper atmosphere.

nasa· lithium· ionosphere· terrier-orion· harp

1:01:14 Anyway, so they so they keep it. So there's now a second minute man three ICBM intercontinental ballistic missile is about to be launched and I don't understand why we're launching ballistic missiles or other than it's just a test we have to test them But NASA this is what I want to get to because I'm on I'm all these launch lists which is kind of cool and you get all this information and this one just caught my eye and Based, and this is between July 5th and July 23rd, so I don't think it's happened yet, but based on the approved range schedule, the rocket pairs are set for launch between 9.30am and 1pm EDT. The experiments on the Terrier-improved Orion rockets, guess what they're going to do? They're going to release lithium into the ionosphere. What? Yeah. They're releasing lithium into the ionosphere.

1:02:07 Why? I don't know. But the resulting clouds are not expected to be visible to the naked eye, but will be seen by special cameras on the ground. and I'm trying to figure out why they're doing this they don't I have a guess yeah my guess is to show you wrong okay then why do we release lithium into the ionosphere see the lithium cloud with that I think it's because they can put something they've died think they're trying to trace ionospheric movement so they can see what from point A to point B, if you put something at point A, where does it end up in a year? And if you can spot it with that, and it doesn't cause any lessening of the sun's penetration of the atmosphere, it's just kind of neutral, but you can see it with this, the giveaways that they say they can see it with these special instruments. I think it's just a study. Okay, and will this, does this stuff just stay in the ionosphere? Does it come down to Earth?

1:03:08 I don't think it comes down. I think once something's in the ionosphere, it's up there for until... I don't know what happens to it. It's a good question. Nice. Alright. Well, I don't like it. Well of course not. I don't like it. If I were you I wouldn't either. I'm not liking the lithium in the ionosphere thing. Like can't you do that with something else besides lithium? Prozac, they're gonna have to do something with that stuff. Yeah so we can see the movement of the ionosphere. This Prozac, yeah don't worry about it. It's nothing, it's okay. It's no problem. It's all good. Something big that was propagated by the Ministry of Truth and I have an AP report

1:03:52 the Associated Press which of course when the Associated Press publishes something... By the way, stop. Buzzkill Jr. put it just a crazy little note you probably didn't get it. Lithium as a superconductor for a harp. Yeah for a harp. Well, see you already shut me down with just like the first thing. No I didn't shut you down because I thought you were going to say they set it up so it could land in the water so we could all be doped up. Yeah that was my initial thought but then I also had... Yeah I was trying to shut you down not the harp thing. Well but So if they're gonna do so then we're in for some interesting weather or earthquakes. I'm predicting interesting weather on the horizon Yeah, they write that in the red book yeah, well write this one down to remember we were talking I think it was on the last show we played some the douchebag who was actually who heads up the security committee

CHAPTER 12 / 27 Discussion

TSA Surgically Implanted Explosives, Body Scanner Policy

The TSA and Associated Press report on "fresh intelligence" regarding terrorists potentially using surgically implanted explosives to bypass airport security. This narrative, dubbed the "boob bomber" plot, is viewed by the hosts as a fear-based tactic to justify invasive pat-downs. Meanwhile, the European Parliament votes to allow body scanners only if they are the "least harmful" to human health.

tsa· explosives· petn· european parliament· body scanners

1:04:46 And he was saying, well you know we need to evaluate TSA, we need to get them more personnel, you know we need to get more money. Remember that? Peter King. Right, Peter King. Thank you. Well, everything's right on plan. Last week, the Transportation Security Administration sent out a message to domestic and international air carriers and some other officials about a new version. She's a hummer. Yeah, this woman is, she's from AP and you see her talking like this the whole time. And they cut to B-roll of airplanes landing. About a fresh interest in a tactic to surgically implant explosives inside a

1:05:25 Oh yeah, geez. What a crock. So, um... Well, you got to listen to it because it's very interesting. So Associated Press, you know, when they when they publish something, it goes viral, right? It's like all these newspapers who I don't have staff. It's not viral. It's syndicated. Well, that's a version of viral. It's just because they know the version is syndicated. Thank you. Well, so but if they inject it into AP, then it goes everywhere. And of course, everyone starts picking it up in different ways. Fresh interest and interest tactic. to surgically implant explosives inside a human being and this would be to evade the airport security measures. Can you imagine having this woman at a dinner party? I think I kicked her out of one of my dinner parties actually. They've received some intelligence that terrorists are looking to try to do that. This is not a new concept, it's just new intelligence that they're

1:06:26 still interested in it, but there's no specific plot. There's nothing to say that this is happening, they're doing it, it's coming. It depends where it is and how deep it is in the body. I mean, there's different theories on that, but for the most part, the technology that's used to screen people in airports is not going to pick up something like this. So this is perfect. It's right on schedule. We need more people to feel you up. And what amazes me is the lack of follow-up on the story. I mean, in Los Angeles in particular, we have hundreds of thousands of plastic surgeons. I'd like to know, if you implant, because they're talking about... A bomb. A bomb.

1:07:05 So this is the boob bomber which we talked about what two years ago. We knew that this was coming So here it is the boob bombs long sense predict. So, you know, it's like can you just how long does it take to heal? You know, will it will it how do you detect it? Is it completely undetectable? Can you just put this dust all over a boob and it's like the form of a boob just makes bigger boobs and they blow up Can you put it in your buttocks? I mean all of these questions I have And what's the name of that stuff that's so explosive? The Pentex, Pent... what is it? The explosives. The guy that the terrorists are now using. That powder. Come on. I don't know. I forgot. Yeah. Some powder. Gunpowder. That's right. Gunpowder.

1:07:51 It's like all they're doing is just like throwing more fear on you and please let TSA feel you up. We know that the scanners don't work so just feel you up. The scanners don't work and the feeling won't work if this is done right. Of course not. What are they going to do? They're going to get a lot of people taking that job. Yeah, we may have to get them. I'll take a job at the TSA if all I have to do is feel boobs. Meanwhile the European Union, Starfleet Command has Passed the vote, resolution passed, show of hands on Wednesday and here it is. Body scanners should be allowed at EU airports only if, only if, the health and dignity and privacy of passengers are protected. Now that's the headline but if you go down a little bit deeper I gotta find the exact quote. Oh, no, no, it's not Semtex, no, no, no.

1:08:50 It's not Semtex. PETN. Thank you. That's what it is. Mickey's like, Semtex! She's like, C4. No, not the stuff you have in the basement, honey. No, not that. No. It's PETN. It's different. Ministers of European Parliament accept that body scanners would enhance aviation security, but ask member states to, quote, deploy technology which is the least harmful for human health. Least harmful. So not like not harmful, but the least harmful. Hey United States of Europe, they're gonna radiate you. It's crazy isn't it? They're gonna give people an x-ray? Whatever they're gonna do, it's the least harmful. Whatever is the least harmful. The least harmful is just to leave people alone. Yeah, but they're not gonna do that. They're going to... I still think the idea of getting a job at the TSA after all you get to do is feel boobs. Yeah, but you gotta feel good boobs and bad boobs. You guys would be lined up. Maybe it's... there must be a hierarchy.

CHAPTER 13 / 27 Discussion

Hillary Clinton, Tech Women and Mentees Initiative

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton promotes the "Tech Women" initiative, which pairs female entrepreneurs from Muslim-majority countries with Silicon Valley mentors. The hosts analyze the program as a tool for "21st-century statecraft" and digital diplomacy, aimed at fostering political change in the Middle East. They also mock the use of the word "mentee" as a gender-neutral replacement for "protege."

hillary clinton· state department· techwomen· alec ross· mentees

1:09:48 It's like, oh here's some boobs, these are for you dude. Hey new guy, new guy, these boobs are for you. I'll take this. That'd be a seniority thing, I think the high seniority guys would get the boobs. Exactly. So Lucifer Clinton out there in the news and of course we've been tracking her techno experts and she started something called Tech Women. Have you ever heard of this organization TechWomen.org? No. TechWomen.org is funded by the US Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs, managed by the Institute of International Education. These are all the companies that educate the so-called tweeter revolutionists.

1:10:38 And is implemented in partnership with the Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology. Now some of the partners within this program are Adobe, AT&T, Cisco, Edelman PR, Ericsson, Facebook, Google, YouTube, NetApp, HP, Stanford University, Twitter. Now all of these great companies that help revolutionize everything. Lucifer is back in town and she just can't help herself. She just can't help herself because she's boasting about this. She's just boasting about it and in the meantime she's totally playing her hand and explaining her tech camps where they are training people to be shills on Twitter and Facebook. It's unbelievable. By the way, now that she's back in town after her trip to Belarus or Lithuania, her hair is looking great.

1:11:34 So, you know, she had Pierre come in and her hair is just awesome. Here in the State Department we do what we call 21st century statecraft. It's statecraft. It's kind of like witchcraft only different. That's just a fancy way of saying that we are trying to use technology to open up doors that are otherwise closed. And so for example last week in Lithuania, Alec Ross who is here and heading up a lot of our efforts. Remember that guy?

1:12:13 Remember Alec Ross no. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we we peg this guy early on he is the Secretary Clinton's tech guru according to The book of knowledge this is the guy who set up that foundation that we pegged like two years ago called One economy Remember that? I'm not getting it. Yeah, it's, you know, he's like, he's a, he's a, he's an expert. His dad, by the way, was some kind of shill. I can't remember.

1:12:52 Anyway, this is the guy who's running all of these groups and he's the expert. 21st century state craft initiative. Yeah, well keep listening. Along with his great team, convened what we call a tech camp. Now a tech camp is an opportunity to bring together dozens of civil society activists, human rights defenders, NGO leaders from many different societies. These particularly were from former Soviet states like Belarus, Ukraine. Hackers. He's got hackers. Moldova and others.

1:13:33 because they're interested in using the internet and connection technologies to forge political change and to give people a voice who might otherwise not have one. And what we believe is that technology can be a great facilitator It can also be used by governments and others to prevent people from being able to communicate. So we have to stay a step ahead so that people are never deprived of their opportunity as we saw how important that was in both Tunisia and Egypt. Do you hear, I mean she's literally spelling it out?

1:14:15 Like we are supporting these people and these non-governmental organizations to start revolutions which are bogus. We're training them. Over the last months we're seeing it in many other settings as well. And we want to help you really fulfill your own God-given potential, however you define that, by using technology as one of the many tools for enhancing relationships, building businesses, creating greater opportunities. I also think it's important that these conversations that you have begun this past month continue, and we hope that you will reach out to women and girls back home who can benefit from what you have experienced.

1:15:02 because the world needs your contributions and I know that each of you has such great potential. So our work is just beginning together and we want to hear from you. I welcome you to stay in touch with us and to offer your suggestions, your recommendations, your constructive criticism because we're trying... Hey, can I ask you a question? Yeah. What the hell has this got to do with the State Department? Well, the State Department is responsible for things, I mean it used to be Voice of America, which was the propaganda machine, and now they're just turning to predominantly Muslim women to start these revolutions through the tweeters. In fact, I went back to 2010 when Lucifer announced this initiative, and it's literally to train Muslim women. Here's a 30-second clip from 2010.

1:16:01 So here's what we want to do that we hope will be good. First, through a program called Tech Women, we will enhance the technological capacity of women in seven Muslim-majority countries. I wonder what seven they are. What do you think? Well, could it be Egypt? The one on the list. Could it be Libya? Could it be Lebanon? Could it be Syria? You betcha. Promising entrepreneurs in the tech field will be paired with American mentors and given four to six weeks of training in American tech centers such as Silicon Valley. Wow.

1:16:38 And then there's a new word which maybe, I mean I looked it up and maybe my dictionary is just dumb but I had never heard this word before. And finally though and most importantly let me thank all of the women of Tech Women. The mentors and the mentees who have spent the... Mentees? Mentees what's a mentee? Never heard it you couldn't find it. No, I looked in the dictionary is like they look in the Oxford English dictionary Maybe it's a do you mean manatee? No, it's right and it's on the way here. Hold on a second. What's a mentee? Wim it on the web page women edX women edX Oh, it's a non-existent word. No on the womb web page woman edX. It's used as

1:17:24 I'm just quick good looking at something just by coincidence I'm reading this this sentence it says according to stock the mentees are not the only ones who will gain something from the tech women program the mentors also benefit from the experience how about the Mentos so I guess a mentee is a woman who was mentored is that is that now the trans I couldn't find this in the dictionary well that's what they're using they're using it commonly mentees I was like wow okay new word. I'll tell you here's the women traveling from abroad for tech women come from the Muslim countries of Algeria we left that one out Egypt Jordan Lebanon Morocco and Palestine hmm put them all on the list I guess so this is the program and it's been going on for a while and we completely missed this tech women org and now they've also announced tech

CHAPTER 14 / 27 Discussion

Silicon Valley State Department Liaisons, Lorraine Harriton

The discussion focuses on the intersection of Silicon Valley executives and the State Department, specifically highlighting Lorraine Harriton's role as a Special Representative. Harriton's background at IBM and Aptera is examined alongside Alec Ross's influence on tech-based diplomacy. The hosts suggest these appointments serve as fronts for government interests in international technology sectors.

lorraine harriton· state department· silicon valley· alec ross· aptera

1:18:22 Girls.org, she's going all out, it's like get them young. There's this whole thing about, actually I felt a little... I don't know, it didn't feel good when she started saying that, you know, women get no breaks, it sucks for women, it's horrible for women. I'm like, didn't we like do that in the 60s? Didn't we break through all of that? She's preoccupied. You got to put on the show notes this womanetic side. It's quite interesting. Now being a woman in the field of technology is not always easy. Are you kidding me? Do you know how many great women there are in technology?

1:19:01 I think I've hired more female tech experts than male. I don't know, that's kind of weird. Being a woman in any field is not always easy. But there are so many opportunities in technology that we just have to forge ahead. and we're doing so around the world because we want to make sure that all the tools that technology has made available are just as open to women as they are to men. And I also believe that innovation thrives on good ideas, and women have a lot of good ideas, and we don't want those ideas

1:19:45 to just die. We want them to be shared and to help others and to create businesses and jobs and improve lives. And it has a greater impact when technology has access for everyone. Which is weird. I got your mentee thing here, right? Oh, yeah. Buzzkill Jr. came up with this and he's like a... Yeah, he's a genius. He says that normally you'd use the word protege You have a mentor and a protege, right? Right, that's what I always thought. He says the problem is, is that protege is a male. Protege normally is male and protege with two E's is female and they can't have anything that would be like showing a difference in the sexes so they dreamed up this new word, mentee, which is asexual. Does it have an accent on the first E?

1:20:36 protege does. Mentees. Mentees got no it doesn't. It sounds like icky. It sounds like an animal that is a mammal that lives in the sea. Yeah like a manatee. Yeah. A mentee. Hey how's your I think that should be the we shouldn't have interns anymore it should be mentees. So apparently they've created this ambassador at large of global women's issues at the State Department. and Lorraine Lorraine Harriton do you know her? Well I'm looking at last November Melanie Verveer. Do you know her? Ambassador for women. Well I'm sorry Lorraine Harriton I thought you would know her she's like a Silicon Valley

1:21:18 success story for the past 25 years. You don't know her? No. I don't know everybody. You're like a techno expert, aren't you? I'm a techno expert, but I don't know everybody. I thought you knew everybody. She's the special representative for commercial and business affairs for the State Department. She was the CEO of Aptera. Never heard of it. CEO of Beatnik. Beatnik? Yeah. These are fronts. She also spent 15 years at IBM serving in a number of executive capacities. Oh yeah, whatever that means. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah, but this Alec Ross guy, we got to keep our eye on him.

1:22:01 And this tech women and mentees and tech team women tech women edX and it's kind of like anti man is what it sounds like and this Christine Lagarde who held her first IMF press conference she's also like it's also like you know all women women women it's like and shut up men Yeah, well I've got a couple Christine Lagarde clips I want to play because after listening to her I've decided that it, well I haven't decided but I'm now leaning toward the idea that maybe it was either the World Bank or somebody that wanted, what's his name, out. Hold on, hold on, I'm breaking up. Ah, sorry.

CHAPTER 15 / 27 Discussion

Christine Lagarde, IMF Leadership and Management Style

Christine Lagarde holds her first press conference as Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The hosts deconstruct her management style and her subtle criticisms of predecessor Dominique Strauss-Kahn. A Fox Business reporter's question about "too much testosterone" in the IMF building and Lagarde's lack of formal economic qualifications are highlighted.

christine lagarde· imf· dominique strauss-kahn· john lipski· fox business

1:22:41 Because she just did for one thing the guy that's always sitting by her side is this John Lipski who's the American? Yeah, the America's the number two guy. He's the number two guy and there was a number of pointed questions as why is it always a European and then an American and of course then there's always a wait a minute did we both watch this did we both watch C-SPAN watch the same press conference? Oh, geez. I just want to play the short Lagarde clip and which is the one that just says Christine Lagarde, which is, which, where she slams DSK as if he was a lousy manager and it makes me think that maybe they wanted to get him out. This is, uh, oh no, there's two and they're both named differently. You said it's a short one? No, no, it's not the short, the other one's shorter. It's the one that just says Christine Lagarde, the other one's got a longer... Oh, I see, it says ex-Christine Lagarde. Alright, slip, slip of the finger there.

1:23:31 How should we expect, how soon should we expect a real change? Thank you. Okay, well I'll be very clear on that and it's a two-fold response. Number one. Oh stop by the way this woman is one of those who does and that you know one of my pet peeves The gratuitous smile in the middle of a sentence Yeah, I noticed that she starts to say something that she gives a big grin Yeah, what is she saying with this grin? You know it's a extremely annoying but anyway play on about management style, and it's no criticism of of my predecessors

1:24:15 But my style is about opening up, reaching out, engaging people and working as a team. I can't do it alone, they can't do it alone, we have to pull the institution together and engage the staff and make sure that people are not only satisfied with the work but proud with the results and happy with their work. Happy. So in terms of... and I'm not suggesting that they were not happy or they were not... No, they weren't happy. My weight... You can stop it. She goes on and on slamming the guy as not a team player was essentially the message and I'm wondering, you know, who's really wanted him out of there. So now the more interesting question to me was the second clip which is the guy from the Financial Times basically asked her what is she even doing there?

1:25:08 Ala Bisi from the Financial Times. Hello. Thank you for the mention earlier. Let me ask you about a couple of issues I am sure you had not expected to come up. As a lawyer, until recently a French finance minister, how will you counter accusations that you are one, not qualified to take decisions on economics and two, might have the interests of French banks and French taxpayers at heart in issues like Greece rather than those of the IMF? You always ask such nice questions, Alan. It is always a pleasure. You know what? I'm not going to brag about my qualifications or lack of qualifications. I think the truth of the pudding is in the eating, as you say. And we'll see how it goes. I don't think that's the exact saying, Ms. Lagarde. By the way, I like the way she handled that question because if anybody out there has to be confronted with this,

1:26:00 It's like, ask me something like say I'm the CEO of IBM now. For some reason, I, John DeVore, have become the CEO of IBM. Now ask me about my qualifications for this. John, as a wine judge, how can you justify your qualifications with the job you're currently in? Well, you know, I'm not going to brag about my qualifications or lack of qualifications. So we'll just see how it turns out. Thank you. She says I'm not going to brag. I know. But it was a negative question. There was nothing to brag about. I'm not going to brag that I don't have any qualifications. What? She's been a beautiful. She's been a lawyer all her career. She ran Baker McKenzie, the headquarters in Chicago. She's part of the Chicago Cabal. She has no qualifications other than she's an elite and she's right up there and that's perfect.

1:26:54 There's something else I think because I have different clips that I that's interesting that we pulled different clips from this by the way I want to remind everybody We watch hours of this stuff to bring you this entertainment I think that it was a big mess inside the IMF and the guy from Fox Business News, well so she says something in her statement and he asks a question about it. Here's what she said about about... Well they tried, this is the guy they tried to... Yeah I got that too. First let's hear what she has to say about the environment she's going to change inside the IMF where the eating is in the pudding. Two seats at the board. Not to say that we must not

1:27:51 quite to the contrary, we must complete the reform that was approved in 2010 and I will see to that. And before I left France I made sure that our quota increase was actually duly wrapped up in the parliamentary process and approved by my parliament. So we must complete the 2010 reform and governance and quotas must be adjusted to reflect the new architecture of the world. But that's like, by the way, the new architecture of the world. Hello, New World Order. Hello. Also reflect in our employment policies, in our training policies, in the way in which we build teams, in the way in which we organize recruitment so that people are not clones of each other. OK, so people should not be clones of each other. And I thought the Fox Business guy came up with a great question. Secondly, briefly, I can't resist

1:28:38 do you think that the staff here are all clones of each other? do you think that the staff here are all clones of each other? second question of course not of course not you know I attended the town hall meeting yesterday with of course not of course not, we are not clones well he actually identifies himself with his final question where they absolutely tried to shut him up and I'm sure I'll come back to you yes thank you and no I'm sorry the summit everything i wanted to follow up on the dominant stress con case and i'm sorry that i don't have a very good person we could be any reforms in the human relic and human resources policies here uh... do you plan any changes in them in light of the controversy over missus trascond and uh... does it make will make a difference that you're a woman and finally is there too much testosterone in the building and i think that it before my mother got out onto that could you just describe

1:29:39 give your name and Peter Moritz from Fox Business. It's like amazing and the other journalists are like Wow, oh no he didn't. He asked the question. Well I'm not gonna say anything. I want to hear the answer. Yeah I know nobody jumped in. Yeah no one jumped in. Because the other journalists mostly from European operations are not gonna say anything. No of course not. They're taught not to you know be interruptive. You know I found the blog post from remember on the last show we played that clip from Miliband And the journalist is asking different questions and Miliband keeps giving the same answer over and over again like a robot. So I found a blog post because of course he says, I'm actually really happy that this video found its way onto YouTube. It was pool video. That's why multiple outlets had it.

CHAPTER 16 / 27 Discussion

UK Political Media, Robotic Talking Points

Leaked "pool video" of UK politicians Ed Miliband and George Osborne shows them repeating identical talking points regardless of the questions asked by journalists. The hosts explain how this media strategy ensures that only the desired soundbite is available for broadcast. They criticize the complicity of journalists who fail to challenge this robotic behavior to protect their access.

ed miliband· george osborne· bbc· talking points· pool video

1:30:30 And so the way it works is, for those of you who don't know, and this is our media deconstruction. So we'll have one journalist is chosen, he goes in, he sits down, he asks a whole bunch of questions, everybody gets the same video and then they pull a quote from it. And of course, you know, the guy answered four different questions with the exact same answer, with the exact same talking points every single time. And so the raw video, and this is what's great about what's happening with the internet, the raw video found its way out onto YouTube and everyone's like, wow, the guy is like, what a robot. He just, he has no interest in answering the questions. And this journalist said, the reason why I didn't say, hey, dude, you're being a douchebag. You keep answering all these different questions with the same talking points because I didn't want to lose my job at the BBC. There you have it.

1:31:21 There you have it. Wow. Yep, blog post linked in the show notes at 319.nashownotes.com. I guarantee the guy is gonna get fired for posting this blog. I mean, I think that's stupid. And of course, immediately people are now finding video all over the place. Have you seen the George Osborne video? No. No, it's the exact same thing. This is from 2010 and and it's another pool video with a woman this time and she asked multiple questions and how does he answer? This is very important for the human resources in Gitmo Nation East, the United Kingdom because wow, your media, I thought we were bad here in the West. Your media is really out of control. You've never seen this before. Well I think we've got a double dose of good news today for Britain. We've got strong growth figures, actually the strongest growth in this part of the year for a decade

1:32:14 and at the same time we've just heard that the country's credit rating has been secured. And I think this underpins confidence in the economy. I think it is a vote of confidence in the government's economic policies. And I think it gives us the confidence now to look to the future with some optimism. So we've heard confidence, confidence, double jeopardy or whatever, right? We hear all that. Let's ask a question. But even with these growth figures you have to admit that your cuts program hasn't come in yet, VAT will rise next year, job losses haven't happened yet, things could get worse. Well I think what you see today is a double dose of good news for the British economy. First of all, strong growth figures. Actually the strongest growth for this part of the year that we've seen in a decade.

1:32:56 And also, we've just heard that the country's credit rating, which had been put at risk by the previous government, has been secured. Now both those things will underpin confidence in the recovery and I think they are also a vote of confidence in the new government's economic policies. Do you still worry about a double-dip recession? Well, I think what you see today in an uncertain global economic environment is Britain growing, growing strongly, the strongest growth we've seen in this part of the year for a decade. and also our country's credit rating being secured. That's a big vote of confidence in the UK and a vote of confidence in the coalition government's economic policies. The experts said that your cuts were unfair and now in the first opinion poll they're showing also people think they're unfair. Do you have a problem with that?

1:33:41 Look, I think people know that this country had some serious economic problems and that the debt problem had to be dealt with. They see a new government has come in and dealt decisively with it and now today we've got this double dose of good news. First of all, strong growth figures but also the country's credit rating reaffirmed and secured when it had been put at risk by the previous Labour government. And I think that will underpin confidence in the recovery going forward. Isn't that awesome? Well you know what's interesting to me is that, well I mean there's a number of deconstructions that have obviously taken place someplace or other. First of all they realize that they can say whatever they want and I also think that they've taken the talking points idea to an extreme and generally speaking with talking points you have a lot of talking points and you just try to drop them in during a conversational interview.

1:34:28 You know, so you have them at the ready. You don't normally load up all your talking points in each answer. But what they've done, I believe, is they've determined these politicians or whoever's behind this, because this is trained. This is a training exercise. These people were trained to do this. It goes like this. I'm running a news organization and I have to get a clip of XYZ so I send some reporter out there and as you know you've had this happen you have some guy come in from the network and he yaks away for a half an hour and they take one minute clip. What do you mean? 10 seconds. 10 second clip, sorry. What am I thinking? One minute, that's a

1:35:07 That's a win. So what they've done is that they've decided, the politicians in England have decided as a group that we're going to answer every single question the same way because they're only going to take one of these questions anyway and so we're going to get this message across no matter what you ask us. And so now the news organization gets, the BBC gets this little interview and they say well what's the good question? And they take the best question and use that because it's the most compelling question. But meanwhile, they get the same exact answer no matter what the question. And so it's basically, it's like script writing. They've created a

1:35:48 cut and paste scenario for the news media and nobody's gonna, nobody's supposed to argue about this just the way it is. Yeah the thing I think that's interesting is he says he would get fired because he wouldn't be doing it right. Yeah the thing that's interesting is that the journalists don't say anything. They just, it's a game. It's all a big game. Look, I gotta get a 10 second quote from you, you know, I just want to get the funniest ones. I'm going to keep asking you questions until I, you know, get something that's a little more interesting. It's abhorrent is your word. You know, it'd be funny, I think a funny news organization if they had a sense of humor would ask just some really strange question.

1:36:30 You know, just something completely off the wall. And you associate that with flying saucers. Well, the way the British economy's been going is we have, we've had really good, you know, just some off the wall thing and still get that same stupid answer. Yeah. And then use that one. Think well what we can do is we can edit in different questions in this existing video Oh now there now you're talking because of course no one would ever do that because they like space goes So do you think that harp is actually going to be enhanced by the superconductor lithium that NASA is shooting into the air? What we're seeing here is a double-dip recession I found an article about Libya which you know something that I guess we missed and

CHAPTER 17 / 27 Discussion

Goldman Sachs, Libyan Sovereign Wealth Fund Loss

Reports surface that Goldman Sachs lost 98% of a $1.3 billion investment from the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA) in 2007. The hosts discuss this as a potential "premeditated heist" of Libyan assets prior to the civil war. They note that the U.S. government later seized $37 billion in Libyan assets following the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi.

goldman sachs· libya· sovereign wealth fund· gaddafi· lia

1:37:13 You know, this is before the days not weeks and before we started throwing hellfire missiles on these poor people. Apparently, Goldman Sachs took 1.3 billion dollars from the Libyan Sovereign Wealth Fund in 2007 and they lost 98% of the money in the crisis. 98% of 1.3 billion dollars. and they actually even offered Libya to, you know, they offered him stock in Goldman Sachs to make up for this loss. And I'm thinking this is something that just can't be overlooked. You know, that... This news item comes in and out of the news every so often. Had you heard about this? Because I didn't know about this one. Yeah, I think so. I didn't know about it. And apparently the LIA, that's the Sovereign Wealth Fund, had about 53 billion dollars in assets.

1:38:15 And even here it says in 2011 after civil war erupted in Libya and Gaddafi said he would not step down the US government seed about 37 billion. It seems like this was just a premeditated heist and it started somehow. I think it started with this Goldman Sachs who of course stole the money. You don't just lose 98%. You think so? I think, yeah, I think it's a criminal act somewhere. You know? Obviously. Unless somebody lost the books. I mean, Goldman Sachs always wins. They like win, win, win, win, win. I don't know why we're not working for them instead of doing this show. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. They're on No Agenda.

CHAPTER 18 / 27 Discussion

Listener Donations, Global Karma Requests

A large block of listener donations is read, featuring contributors from Canada, Australia, and the United States. Topics in the notes include the final Space Shuttle launch, moving to Santa Monica for video game design, and local political grievances in Tennessee. The hosts grant "karma" and "podcast licenses" to the producers supporting the show.

shuttle launch· alberta· santa monica· hollow books· 319 club

1:39:05 Thanks to listeners for keeping us from getting fired by the BBC or ITV for that matter or ITV or any of these guys and don't forget to go to noagendashow.com or dvorak.org slash NA and help us out here we want to thank Justin Bach in Lafayette Louisiana John and Adam driving 12 hours through the night tonight to hopefully see the final shuttle launch tomorrow that must have been fun please send some karma my way so the damn thing goes off as scheduled Wow you've got karma

1:39:46 He's at JB Hoskins on Twitter. On the Twitters. Tom Schuring, Wheeler's Hill, Victoria, Australia. It's been a while since I donated. It says show 317 was so good. Here's some petrol money for the camper van. Oh lovely. I think 317 should be the reference implementation of a no agenda show. Great way to introduce new people to no agenda. That's an interesting idea. I'll take a note. I'll note that down and listen to, re-listen to the show and see if you're right. Big cheers from Tom. Tom Schroding is the official digital archivist of Adam Curry. He's the Dutch guy in Australia that I send all of my cassette tapes to of all my radio shows from the 80s and 90s. Oh, okay. And he's digitized them all and put them on the web, which is awesome. Good guy. Yeah. Maybe I should send some of my old stuff from CNET. No, maybe not.

1:40:37 Danny Baker, Morristown, Tennessee, 100 bucks. This might land me in jail, but I'm calling out my governor Bill Haslam as a douchebag. Douchebag! I don't think so. Justin Ruest, we haven't gotten that far yet. You can call your governor a douchebag. Justin Wagner, it would be nice to know why he's a douchebag. You know, he sent me a note. I think it's because he sent his governor a question about the Protect IP Act. And he got a standard, it's linked in the show notes actually, I do remember to keep that in there. And he got like some standard form back saying, you know, the Protect IP Act is really great, it's going to protect all the people who work in Hollywood, it's all wonderful. I think he was really angry about the canned response. Douchebag.

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1:46:54 was also very important as for lady matthews and uh... joshua brick in your love in colorado in the shell more nightland north carolina and other north carolingian uh... fifty dollars each thing we'll take everybody for donating keeping the show live in the specially for this particular episode which uh... This is show 319. Go to noagendashow.com, dvorak.org slash NA or channeldvorak.com slash NA or No Agenda Nation where there's also a storefront you should check out. Noagendanation.com and help us for show 320. We're getting down to 321 which is an interesting show number. And by the way my wife mentioned today was the seventh day of the seventh month of the something or other. Of the seventh epoch.

CHAPTER 19 / 27 Discussion

Show Production, Host Birthdays and Numerology

The hosts discuss the numerology of the date July 7, 2011, and upcoming birthdays for family members, including "Miss Mickey" and John's daughter. They reflect on their production process, noting that they do not speak during the week to ensure their on-air chemistry remains fresh. They reiterate their refusal to take commercial money.

numerology· 7-7-7· miss mickey· birthday· no agenda

1:47:38 Yeah. This is a very interesting year with the, you know, with your birthday numbers and your and your age equaling 111. There's also I think it's isn't a couple of months in this year has five weekends. Yeah. Somebody's got the most. And I think the November is really a weird month. Yeah, and we have 11 11 11 in November which is which is gonna be yeah, that's another hot one We got to be on the lookout for well. Thank you all for supporting the show I think you can hear that we've been doing our work and and It's kind of interesting how complimentary we were on the Lagarde thing where we both watch You know John and I don't talk at all during the week we speak twice a week and that's during this show and

1:48:20 And the rest of the week is pretty much spent pouring through documents and watching C-SPAN, so you don't have to, and trying to bring you actual news and dissection of what's being spoon-fed to you. And we cannot and will not take any commercial money, so the only thing you need to remember is... So Jeffrey Stark, happy birthday to you today. It's his 25th birthday. Sir John Matthews says happy birthday to his lady Matthews who celebrates today as well. And Ian Larson,

1:49:02 I think that we're still early on this, but I'll say it anyway. 47th birthday on the 14th. We'll just probably have to do it again next week. And then very important to me, Miss Mickey celebrates her birthday tomorrow. And you know what a big deal it is for those Dutch girls to have the balloons and everything all set up. So happy birthday, darling. I love you. No knighthoods today, which is sad. It's curious. My daughter's birthday is on 7-11. What a curious in what way well because you just close to your to Mickey's birthday. Oh, okay, right? Gee that's curious I thought so and they and they look the same and they're almost the same age. It's okay. One's taller Hey, did you hear that? President Obama has offered 10,000 troops for Iraq, but you as a gift. Yes a gift

CHAPTER 20 / 27 Discussion

Bill Clinton, Constitutional Misquotes and Preamble Errors

Former President Bill Clinton is criticized for a speech where he appears to confuse the Declaration of Independence with the Preamble to the Constitution. The hosts deconstruct his claim that the Declaration contains the phrase "form a more perfect union" and his misquoting of a famous Martin Luther King Jr. line about the "arc of history." They characterize the speech as rambling and factually inaccurate.

bill clinton· declaration of independence· constitution· martin luther king jr· preamble

1:50:02 Yeah, remember that if they asked for any troops, even though they're supposed to bring them all home from Iraq, you can take that to the bank. But if they ask for some troops to stay behind, by the way, that's combat troops. Of course, there's 50,000 non-combat troops there in the green zone in the embassy, not to mention all the contractors and all that stuff. No, the White House is offering, hey, would you like 10,000 of these? It was a tribute? It's like a wedding gift. I don't know what it is. I don't know. So one of the things that was on C-SPAN I couldn't resist. Clinton, I think you mentioned this some weeks ago, you think he's going senile. Yeah, yeah. I think it's all the blow he did.

1:50:52 Well, I've got two clips from Clinton I want to play. One of them is just ridiculous, but the other one, just as a set up, I want you to play Clinton babble and it shows that he's kind of, when he gives these speeches, he's in front of a bunch of young people and some, it's like a bunch of bloggers essentially. And he talks forever. I mean, it's unbelievable how long he babbles on. But none of it makes any sense half the time. Play this. So we spend too much time majoring in the minors. I want you to serve. I want you to answer the how questions. I want you to lobby for the things you clap for like the Dream Act. But this economy is fragile. We cannot go another decade continuing to fall in the percentage of our young people with college degrees. We have to implement this student loan program and then 100% of the people have to know about it. So he goes thinking.

1:51:46 Got to know he's this whole thing be easy jumps from topic to topic to topic and then these whole thing is about you've got to know I've seen this this is the his Clinton global initiative I think in New York and he's sitting in the chair and he has a hand mic right no No, this is in front of a large group of students, and he's standing at a podium. This is a similar speech I'm sure but no it wasn't about the Clinton global initiative. Oh it was because that's all he talks. Oh, I does yeah But so he brings up, so here's the thing that got me. First of all, his whole thesis here was that you got to know the facts, you got to know what's true and what's accurate. So I want you to play this clip and then I want to deconstruct it because it's unbelievable to me. This is the president of the United States that doesn't know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And then he misquotes Martin Luther King on top of it.

1:52:36 If you look at the story of America, we had a lot of speeches, I bet on the 4th of July, the Politics Authority taking hold about what America means and what the intent of the framers was and all of that. The Declaration of Independence gave America a permanent mission. The framers pledged their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor to form a more perfect union. That's 18th century speak. In 21st century slang, what that means is, hey, we're not perfect, we're never going to be perfect, but we can always do better. And our job is to keep doing better, to keep stumbling in the right direction. Or in the words of Martin Luther King, the arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. Our job is to make sure the arc bends in the right direction. And when I was president, I used to tell people all the time, to me, forming a more perfect union means

1:53:42 widening the circle of opportunity, deepening the meaning of freedom and strengthening the bonds of community. And it requires all of us to keep growing and learning and embracing. This is a crock of crap from, I mean for one thing he bastardizes everything. First of all the Declaration of Independence never said anything about a more perfect union. That was in the preamble of the Constitution written over a decade later and this is the President of the United States by the way. Stumble, we got to stumble forward. And it's got to do with stumbling forward. The reason it's in the preamble is because they had the Articles of Confederation which were

1:54:23 thrown together right after the Declaration of Independence and it wasn't working and they had to have a better union of these different states so they work together a little better. And that's what more perfect union was about. It wasn't about man's imperfection or anything like that. And then he has this bull crap quote from Martin Luther King which is completely bogus. The quote is as follows, let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice. Clinton has it that, oh the arc of history bends toward justice. No it doesn't. Anyone who's read any Toynbee knows it doesn't bend toward justice. Justice it never has. It bends all kinds of different ways. This is a, the President of the United States that doesn't know what's in the Declaration of Independence, doesn't know what's in the Constitution, and then misquotes Martin Luther King, who's actually lifted that statement himself from a guy in 1853, Thomas Parker, or Theodore Parker,

1:55:18 very famous writer did a book which we should be in our list called uh... what the hell is the name of justice and conscience conscience anyway the point is is that this is a president that doesn't know the declaration of independence, I mean and then he babbles on about you know stumbling along and we have to be good to each other. I mean this is this to me is Clinton. A liar makes it up as he goes along, a horrible person. Let me just say one thing. I when listening to that clip with fresh ears I had not heard it. To me it sounded a bit like first of all he didn't write it.

1:55:56 He got some kid is writing this stuff because he's too busy. He's got other stuff to do hookers and blow which is what he does and I think as he was reading this he's like this doesn't make sense something's Whatever who stumble forward whatever I don't think he wrote it I think he's just reading along to doing whatever he's doing because that's kind of how it works He had no time to write stuff disagree. You think he's actually that stupid I These speeches is like when he came into that Obama press conference and took it over and started babbling. He's got all the stuff in his brain. He'd had no notes. He wasn't reading from a prompter. There was no prompter anywhere to be seen. He was just yacking away, you know, making it up as he goes along.

CHAPTER 21 / 27 Discussion

Barack Obama, Fourth of July Mussolini Staging

President Obama's Fourth of July celebration at the White House is analyzed for its visual staging. The hosts describe the President standing on a first-floor balcony looking down at military families on the lawn, comparing the aesthetic to Mussolini. They also note Michelle Obama's vocal participation in the event's "shout-outs" to different military branches.

barack obama· fourth of july· white house· c-span· michelle obama

1:56:41 you know, you're misunderstanding the mechanism of the Constitution and the, you know, kind of demeaning it because a bunch of bonehead framers, they don't know anything about anything that's going on today. And it's just 18th century speak for, you know, stumbling forward. I like the stumbling forward. That's slang for stumbling forward. And this was his 4th of July speech, is that what that was? It came I think a couple days after the 4th. Did you see our current president's 4th of July speech? No, gee, I missed it. I feel so bad about it. It's a hello everybody bonanza. It's just great. Would you like to... can we share this? Would you like to hear it? Oh, I'd love to hear what he had to say. Hello everybody! Cleveland rocks everybody!

1:57:32 Happy 4th of July. Happy 4th of July. Hello everybody on behalf of the entire Obama family We want to welcome you here to the White House now. You got to listen because when you hear like this, whoa You hear that? That's Michelle who's standing right next to him. She's really yeah, she's good. Whoa Listen right now in small towns and big cities all across America. Oh, man. It's a game together in their backyards They're raising flags firing up grills and enjoying time with family and with friends And it's a tradition that we try to follow here at the White House although I've got to say we've got a few more people here now of course who's he gonna have there I

1:58:18 if you have to propagate... Biden? No, Biden was not there. No, this was... because of course 4th of July we have to celebrate by thanking all of the kids that we've sent off to war to die and get maimed. Of course these aren't the dead ones or the maimed ones. So he's got the whole lawn and he's on the vestibule. He's up on the first floor. The whole lawn is military. I'm sorry? Military. All branches. And he's up on the first floor. It's kind of like a Mussolini type thing. Like Mussolini? He's up on the first floor? He's up on the first floor shouting down everyone's on the grass. Than most. And I cannot think of anybody I would rather celebrate with than all of you. The men and women of our military and our extraordinary military families. That's why he's up on the first floor so it doesn't have to be down there with you schmucks.

1:59:15 I couldn't think, I'm gonna fire up the grill on the roof. They're really excited. So let me just check to see who we've got here. Listen to Michelle. We got some army here? I can't hear it. How about Navy? Anyway, so that's what he did. Hello everybody! Happy 4th of July! I love the Mussolini thing. It's weird. I've never seen that. I mean if you're doing a barbecue, actually I should do that. I don't have a first floor.

1:59:51 be great. Hey, hello friends. Put a podium on the roof. How you doing down there? It was weird. It was just weird. It was like, oh, okay. And then he had like one from each branch up there from the Marines and Navy, the Air Force. They were up there with him? Yeah. One from each. Yeah. One from each. Up on the vestibule, on the first floor. Yeah, it was like, it was the weirdest thing ever. I never... I love this, I miss that. Yeah, it's on C-SPAN. Where I find all of my gems. All of the good stuff is there. And then, this is kind of funny, it kind of goes along with the military. This is an old clip from President Obama.

CHAPTER 22 / 27 Discussion

Obama Family History, World War II Service Claims

The hosts investigate a clip of Barack Obama claiming his "father" served in World War II. They compare this statement against historical records, noting that his biological father was in Kenya and his stepfather's age makes service unlikely. They conclude he was likely referring to his great-uncle, Charles Payne, and criticize the President for "making it up as he goes along."

barack obama· world war ii· charles payne· stepfather· veterans

2:00:36 now then candidate Obama and I'd never heard this maybe we missed that I don't know but it was just kind of interesting to listen to this he's uh he's my age right President Obama yeah it's 48 49 it's around that age then you know we're betraying uh... what i think is a solemn pact that we make with our veterans uh... you know they my father served in world war two uh... and when he came home he got the services that he needed uh... how does that work how old was his father when he served in world war two well it did the numbers don't add up we saw my stepfather even then not talking about the guy in kenya even then

2:01:29 How old is his stepfather? Well, I don't know. I mean, so he had to be at least 18 in 1945 when he came home from World War II. Obama was... So, let me just do the numbers here for a second. I'm gonna check the book of knowledge while you do that. Ooh, this is a very good... I'm just saying, if he was 18 in 1945... then he could that's a baby was probably more like 20 but okay let's say 18 I mean when did he have Obama he wasn't his father the real father's Barack Obama senior I understand that I still want to know how old was his father when when he became Obama's stepfather my look my grandfather sure my grandfather served in World War two in the South Pacific lieutenant commander I think it's doable I don't think so

2:02:29 I don't think so. I find this sketchy. I mean, so his stepfather was old enough to be his grandfather? Really? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. We're looking at war ends, let's say 1940, you're in the war. So you have to be at least 20 or 18. Right. So today is 2011. So we're talking about 60, 71 years ago. Okay, well maybe I'm just seeing so the guy could be you know he could be 91 today and World War one or two okay and still be alive and be his father as possible all right good I mean, I don't know I mean I think I stand corrected. That's okay. I know I may might be you might be right. I don't know bullcrap I mean he could be making it up. It wouldn't surprise me Hey, I found the account executive job in Atlanta for public broadcasting. Oh

2:03:29 This is not for NPR, I'm sorry, I've mistaken, I'm at PBS. Public broadcasting is similar. Yeah, well it's also funded by viewers like you. Account Executive, do you love public television? Marketing Ingenuity provides outsourced underwriting sales to public radio and television stations in 10 markets, recognized as a leader in generating corporate support for public broadcast stations. Market Ingenuity, this is a third-party sales company. is committed to helping client stations better serve their community and helping underwriters to grow their business. This is new. Underwriters need to grow their business.

2:04:08 Meeting and exceeding our client station goals require our sales candidates to be exceptional determined sales professionals who share our enthusiasm and vision for setting the standard of excellence of corporate support in public broadcasting. Daily life for an account executive in public television is similar to that of a salesperson in commercial broadcasting or local print media. An account executive is expected to make cold calls to decision makers at local and regional businesses, meet with them to understand their marketing needs, and develop proposals that offer marketing solutions to help them grow their business. I mean, please! So the companies that you hear underwriting your public stations, they're there to grow their business. Isn't that advertising? Totally. Okay, I have to back up on this show.

2:05:01 If looking at the extended family, Obama never had a stepfather. He had Charles T. Payne, his great uncle who served in World War II. And why did he say his father if he was talking about his uncle, great uncle? Did he say, if he said his father, this is a, I think you're onto something here. Just again, just I think all these guys just making it up. Let's listen to it again. Then, you know, we're betraying uh... what i think is a solemn pact that we make with our veterans uh... you know they my father served in world war two uh... and when he came home he got the services that he needed there you go now you're on to something this is bull crap what father

2:05:47 The guy from Kenya? I guess. The boyfriend that lived in Indonesia? I guess. I don't know. No, it's this guy. His great uncle Charles Payne greets his great niece by Michelle Obama off-frame, his great nephew, great nephew, it's not even his initial, Barack Obama in 65th anniversary of D-Day, that's where he hung out with him. This is, no, no, this is like Clinton. They come from the same cloth, they're just kind of making stuff up, saying what they feel like, you know, there's no, that's why it needs to be telepromptered. Well, there you go. He doesn't have a father that served in World War II. There you go. But his dad got taken. Maybe he has more dad. Maybe it was the other Obama who did have a dad who served in World War II. Right? Second, the other Obama, the one that doesn't have the gray hair. Right. He has that big scar on his neck. Did you ever see that? Yeah, I did. No one ever talks about that. No, well, they don't want to. The implant went wrong. This, I think, is a message here, a telegraphing message.

CHAPTER 23 / 27 Discussion

Libya Conflict, South Sudan Independence Delegation

France announces it will stop dropping weapons to Libyan rebels, which the hosts interpret as a sign of a failing regime-change operation. Simultaneously, the U.S. sends a high-level military and diplomatic delegation, including Colin Powell, to the independence ceremony of South Sudan. The hosts suggest the interest in South Sudan is primarily driven by its significant oil reserves.

libya· gaddafi· south sudan· colin powell· oil

2:06:53 The French army, and this is sent to me by Baron von Pelsmacher, so you know that he's all over stuff. The French army will no longer drop weapons to the Libyan rebels. This is what defense minister Gerard Languette said on Tuesday. According to France, the opposition is now capable of supplying itself. uh... dropping weapons to the libyan rebels no longer necessary says during a press conference there's a political organization independent of government in libya and triple e and he explained the decision by the french government uh... the droppings uh... we did in the last few weeks but the regions can now function autonomously i think this is basically a message saying they're giving up then no longer going to support these guys could these guys can do the job and i think the the protesters which it'd be strange enough turn into rebels

2:07:44 I think they were supposed to go in and chop off Gaddafi's head. They're not getting the job done. So they're like screw you guys. I mean you can't just say we're not dropping weapons. It's not about weapons, it's about ammunition. I think that, I think something's going to happen very soon. Something big that will eliminate Gaddafi once and for all. I think it's code. Well they've painted themselves into a corner on this whole Libya thing. Yeah, because you know many people that are there like apparently like Gaddafi this underplayed They don't want to talk about that. They thought it was gonna be a no-brainer You know weeks not day or days not weeks and this has turned into just a fiasco they don't want to talk about it now and Now they're screwed. They're gonna have to assassinate the guy and

2:08:36 And then make some stories up. I think the whole thing is going to be a creation that's going to be worth deconstructing more than a few times, but this is not turning out for the best of... For the Libyan people, certainly not. No, well, they got stuck in a... No, I'd say the Libyan... Hey, welcome to the new world architecture. Yeah, is that what you said? The new architecture of the world. Yeah, that's good. President Obama is sending a delegation to the Republic of South Sudan to attend the ceremony marking the Declaration of Independence of the Republic of Southern Sudan.

2:09:18 amazingly have this revolt of people, because you know now that we have an independent southern Sudan, by the way where all the oil is, there's going to be a tweeter revolution, Facebook, it'll be part of the Arab Spring, George Clooney's already there with a satellite eye in the sky with his handler, you know, there to convince the public that it's okay that we're sending in blue helmets, four and a half thousand are about to enter there from I believe, was it Nigeria or I think it was It was Nigeria. So the president announced his presidential delegation to go celebrate the ceremony. Now who would you take along for a fun party? O'Biden. No. I just keep missing with O'Biden. I know I'm going to hit it eventually. You got to take along Colin Powell. Oh please. You got to take on Johnny Carson, who's the Secretary of State for the Bureau of African Affairs. You got to take along

2:10:17 Barry, wait a minute, this is... Brooke Anderson, who is the Chief of Staff Counsel for the National Security Staff. It's like all these military people. General Carter Ham, United States Africa Command. Why don't we just shove it in their face? It's like, hey, we got a whole bunch of military people coming to help you celebrate because we're gonna take over your ass and take your oil and build the pipeline straight down to South Africa. Like, hello? Hello? So I wonder what's going on and there's a bunch of oil workers striking Kazakhstan and Sting... Stink! Stink was gonna do a concert and he's backed off and he's got a bunch of political commentary. I think this guy's gonna get in the game. Stink? He's got to. He's got to. Yeah, I mean, you know.

CHAPTER 24 / 27 Discussion

News of the World, Murdoch Phone Hacking Scandal

The closure of the "News of the World" newspaper amid a phone-hacking scandal is discussed as a strategic move by Rupert Murdoch. The hosts argue the scandal was leveraged by rivals and the government to block Murdoch's acquisition of B Sky B. They explain the simple technical methods used to hack voicemails and the public outcry following the hacking of a murdered teenager's phone.

rupert murdoch· news of the world· bskyb· phone hacking· milly dowler

2:11:15 So, should we just talk briefly, because it's a distraction, but do we need to talk about this phone hacking thing in the UK? It's been going on for years, by the way. Yeah, no, it goes back to, I think the earlier ones were 2005, 2007, they've been doing it for a while. Yeah, so I think I kind of, there's only one way that I can look at what's going on there. For those of you who don't know, and it's like really, it's been convoluted and complicated, and all of a sudden it came to the forefront, which I think I know why. But in the background of all this, there's two things happening. One is Murdoch, of course, the News Corp empire, you know, elects presidents and prime ministers. You know, it's like they are the most powerful media conglomerate, I think, in the world. And without a doubt, one of the most powerful ones in Gitmo Nation, United Kingdom of Great Britain.

2:12:10 And so very powerful and which makes people kind of afraid and he has been trying to acquire the remaining stake of B Sky B, which is like a multi-billion dollar deal. And in order to acquire that he needs governmental approval. So there's leverage there, right? Whoever's in charge can make him richer. And so there's a lot of leverage. Conversely, the BBC, which is the government ministry of truth, they don't want this guy having so much power because they all could be out of a job. Because they are the ministry of truth. Go away, dude. Formerly Australian, now American. And they've been trying this for a long, long time. So when people talk about phone hacking, it's like really no big deal.

2:12:57 There's two ways you can hack someone's voicemail, and I think voicemail is used in the UK a lot differently than it's used here. Do people still use voicemail in America? I don't think so. I use it, I mean I don't use it. You never call me back when I leave work. Well, it's because I don't use it. But the point is, they get the Google voicemail now where they transcribe it and send you an email. Right. Which is laughable. Yeah, the translations are great. Get every single person who says hi Adam it always translates as hi dad. Hi dad So, this so-called hacking is very simple. If you know someone's mobile phone number and they probably have the standard either 000 or 1111 or 4444 or 1234 because people of course rarely have changed their voicemail passwords. So, you work in tandem. So, John, if we were to hack someone's voicemail like we're so sophisticated hackers, you'd call the voicemail, you'd call the line.

2:13:58 And while it's ringing, I would call the line because now you've engaged it in a ring, maybe the person picks up or not, and then I go to voicemail. When I hit the voicemail, I hit star or whatever it is, and I enter, I try all the standard passcodes, and I'm in. And so this has happened to celebrities, notably Hugh Grant, but also it's, the news of the world has been doing this to, this is how they got their news, by hacking. And people would leave stupid long information sensitive messages. So they've been trying to hang up the Murdoch gang on this and they finally, because no one cares about Hugh Grant, no one cares about hacking of politicians. It's like good, it's like great, Hugh Grant, he likes trannies and we know that. Who cares?

2:14:46 Finally they have something that they can leverage Murdoch on is they find out that these news of the world guys hacked into a young teenage 13 or 12 year old girl who was missing. She turns up dead six months later. They find her dead six months later, but they were in her voicemail system so they hacked into her voicemail and either inadvertently or purposely deleted voicemails Giving the parents and I'm not sure how they found out but giving the parents the hope that That the child was still alive and checking your voicemails and deleting them now the minute you touch the kids Oh, well, then of course everyone goes insane So it took him like three years to figure out how to finally nail down news of the world and they and duh It's like protect the children. Oh, I can't believe you were mean to a child or to a child's parents So they finally have it and

2:15:46 I think that Murdoch, in order to get his deal, he had to do something. I guess instead of firing people who were responsible, he's now just shut down all of the news of the world, which is huge. I mean, he has to reopen it under a different name or whatever. I think they sell like 14 million copies per... it only comes out on Sunday. It was the first thing he bought when he moved into the London market. So this is about power, about political power, and who's in charge, and at the end of the day also about money. And it's a huge distraction, but believe me, Murdoch runs a lot in Gitmo Nation East. Yeah, I thought it was a huge distraction too, but the message that you get out of it, I think the whole thing is just ridiculous, but you do get the message that at least Murdoch's, from Murdoch and his staff's perspective,

2:16:39 the satellite delivery of information is more valuable than the paper. It's a huge newspaper operation that has 14 million daily sales. That tells you something right there. I think you're spot-on because having political influence through your sky broadcasting, that is what it's about. It's not about money for this guy, it's about the power. So what we've learned a lesson which is that broadcast media is more powerful at least from a perspective of a power-oriented guy than print media which doesn't have any oomph left. It's done. Even in the UK which is surprising. I find that surprising because it's still very much a newspaper place. I guess that's just... You know what? Murdoch's a leader. He knows what side his bread is buttered on. He knows.

CHAPTER 25 / 27 Discussion

UK Food Technology, Knife Crime Legislation

A segment on UK culture covers new "modified atmosphere" packaging for sandwiches that extends shelf life to 14 days using nitrogen and carbon dioxide. This is followed by a discussion on Prime Minister David Cameron's stance on mandatory sentencing for knife crimes. The hosts also briefly mention that Jack Quinn, a former Clinton lawyer, has joined the board of Xe (formerly Blackwater).

tesco· nitrogen packaging· david cameron· knife crime· blackwater

2:17:38 Speaking of which, having lived in Gitmo Nation East, you know the eating habits of the the Brit I would say, I'm generalizing, but I've seen nothing but horrible. People don't cook at home anymore, you know this is no longer a country that the families are all busted apart, the place is a shambles, I hate to say it, but in general, I think people listen to the show probably have their shit together. So what do most people do? They go to Tesco's or you know the gas station where you have all these mini-marts. That's where people buy their food. And John, you've been in the UK. When you go into these mini-marts, you have these sandwiches. You know, like your ham and cheese, your cheese and onion, your chicken and bacon and they're made fresh, right? Then they're in a triangular... Have you seen them? They're in a triangular... Pret-a-porter sells them all over the place. Right. And you look at it and it's like, hey, that looks pretty good. You know, it's like, yeah, this is good stuff.

2:18:33 And and I've bought it I've eaten it before so typically these Typically these these sandwiches like you know, they're no more than what like half a day old I'd say well, they've now come up with new technology And these sandwiches will now be replaced with sandwiches that will have a shelf life of 14 days Wow and they're doing it by removing the oxygen from the packaging and replacing it with nitrogen and carbon dioxide so that your sandwiches even though 14 days old will still be edible and you'll love it. Edible's the word. Play the clip I have of Cameron giving one of those little things they do in the Parliament where they yell at each other on the knifing. What's changed?

2:19:37 Well, what we have done is we've banned, we have banned the Tehrite Taliban, so we have taken action. But it is as I, as I, as my right honourable friend, the Lord Chancellor will, will hastily... No, this is the, I think it's the other one. Oh, I'm so sorry. It was, it's not labelled Cameron. Here we go. Mr Bob Blackman. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Twelve days ago, a young constituent of mine was the victim of a vicious knife attack. This last weekend another 16 year old young man was also the victim of a knife attack. Will my right honourable friend join with me in condemning this upsurge in gang related violence and confirm those that carry knives

2:20:20 will face a custodial sentence if apprehended. As I've just said to the Honourable Lady opposite, I think it is important we send a clear message about this. We are doing that with the new offence that carries a mandatory sentence. That is a signal to anyone who is contemplating carrying a knife. But I think we should be frank with ourselves in this House and in the country that purely looking at this from a criminal justice situation isn't the answer. We've got to ask ourselves why are so many young children joining gangs? Why aren't our families and communities doing more to keep them close and prevent the carrying of knives? And that is something that runs right across government and indeed across our society as well.

2:20:59 So they, this was the only one, there was a bunch of people that came up with these knife stories. Well that's always been a big thing in the UK, where here we have guns that we want to get off the streets. In the UK, there's been studies, there's more chance you get knifed in the UK than shot by a gun in the United States. Everyone's walking around with knives there. I think they should let guns be legal and then maybe they would put a stop to this. Yeah, this knife thing has to end. Get the guns in. Get the guns in? No more knives. This is ridiculous.

2:21:36 One thing when you fire a gun it makes a very loud noise and everybody in the area can hear it and they would be alerted with a knife. It's a silent killer. I think these knives are the wrong, it's not good. They should legalize other weapons. And also you could defend yourself. A guy who pulls out a knife, you can pull out your gun and from a distance you can stop him. You can certainly intimidate him. Good idea John. I'll bring that up at the next Prime Minister's Question Time. Blackwater has, I'm sorry, Xe, formerly known as Blackwater, has a new director and the director is Jack Quinn, former lawyer to President Bill Clinton. Yay! Oh yeah! Unbelievable. Yeah, it's the shadow puppet theater. These guys are great.

CHAPTER 26 / 27 Discussion

HR 1981, Internet Records Retention and Harassment

The "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011" (H.R. 1981) is analyzed for its broad surveillance implications. The bill requires ISPs to retain temporary IP address records for 18 months and introduces vague definitions for "harassment" and "intimidation." The hosts warn that these definitions could be used to criminalize speech that causes "emotional distress" without a legitimate purpose.

hr 1981· isp· ip address· harassment· intimidation

2:22:36 These guys are fantastic. Alright, I want to wind up. I don't have much else other than I've been studying the text of a new bill which we missed, introduced May 25th in the year of our Lord 2011, H.R. 1981, which is Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011. And of course we all agree, regardless of what's in this document, John, if you go out on the street and you say, should we have... what is your... if you ask anyone on the street, what do you think of House Resolution 1981, protecting children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011? Everyone will say, it's great!

2:23:17 Save the children right old classic. Yeah, they go back to the well. Yeah, okay So a couple things that and of course the way this you know So here's this I got this little late this morning actually didn't have time to look at it all but I'm going to get into it, but it literally it has like section 1956 c7d title 18 will be amended by inserting one four six six a visual represent, you know It's like okay, so I got to go back and look at all these documents. Um But there's a couple things that jumped out at me section 4h retention of certain records a provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the Temporarily assigned network address the service assigns to each account Which is quite overbearing I would say for ISPs you now have to

2:24:07 keep records for 18 months of a temporarily assigned IP address which I guess will bind it to a MAC address of the computer which is tough. But then here's the stuff they start slipping in, section 8d1. As used in this section, the term course of conduct means a series of acts over a time however short indicating a continuity or purpose. So this is not about pornography, this is about harassment or harassment. The term harassment means a serious act or course of conduct directed at a specific person that I or one causes substantial emotional distress in person and two serves no legitimate purpose. So this is it ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for my column today Adam. Oh I just wrote your column let me give you a little more.

2:24:58 The term intimidation means a serious act or course of conduct directed at a specific person that, number one, causes fear or apprehension in such person. Well then the TSA should be arrested. Or serves no legitimate purpose. again. Like hello listeners within the sound of my voice if I've caused you any emotional distress today for no legitimate reason You can have me locked up. It is it is that's never talk about Clinton again. Is that simple? We're doomed Disgusting get your podcast license to that. What are you winning right this war PC Maggie and so we can run for it, right? All right. I'm gonna write as soon as the show's over. Will you give me a plug?

CHAPTER 27 / 27 Discussion

Film Recommendations, LocateTV and Sign-off

John C. Dvorak recommends the 1999 film "eXistenZ" and the website LocateTV.com for tracking television broadcasts and DVR scheduling. The hosts conclude the episode with final remarks on their move away from California and a reminder for listeners to support the show via the "value for value" model. The show ends with their traditional "adios mofos" sign-off.

existence· david cronenberg· locatetv· twitter· dvorak.org

2:26:03 Hello, is this thing on? Hello, hello? Is this thing on? Hello, hello? Yeah, thanks John. I really appreciate it. Ah, let me see, coming up on the No Agenda stream as we continue. Let me see what is new entries here. uh... liberty and exile is pretty cool they just uh... put up a new show so we'll make sure we get liberty and exile on no agenda stream I'm sorry I have a mention for people who watch a video it gets on tv once in a while a couple of things I want to just say it here at the end for our group that does our art and keeps track of the videos people should watch I don't know if you've ever seen this movie called existence? No

2:26:48 E-X with a capital X and I-S-T-E-N with a capital Z. A hilarious movie about video games. It was done in 1999, never heard of it before. It's definitely worth... Is it on Netflix or something like that? It might be. It's worth tracking down. It's a little gory, but it's worth tracking down. It's quite amusing. And people by there should also know about a website that I've been using to track down movies like this. It's called locateTV.com. Very useful. And does that have the BitTorrents and the illegal stuff? No, no. Look, BitTV is a legitimate site that essentially you plug in stuff. If it's going to be playing on Dish Network or any of the TV stations, networks, cable, anything, over the next couple of weeks it'll tell you where and when and you can set your DVR. Awesomeness. Very nice. Sounds like a winner.

2:27:40 So thanks again everyone for your support and nice to see new donors coming in. Continue that support, continue helping us keep the program running so we don't have to, well, I mean I'm already moving to get back my Amazon money. So we don't have to get fired by the BBC. Or ITV. Or Murdoch for that reason. Whatever he owns, advertising. Coming to you from the hilltop watchtower crackpot command center here in Gitmo Nation West the People's Republic of Southern California where I'm gonna go feel uh... fill up this Mickey make sure she's not hiding any explosives in the morning I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where it's always a nice day I'm John C. Dvorak Adios mofos we'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on the No Agenda Show

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