Episode 236 · Sunday, 19 September 2010

Kids with Depression

A deep dive into the rebranding of high fructose corn syrup, the pathologizing of childhood behavior by pharmaceutical giants, and the manufactured narratives surrounding Venezuelan nuclear threats.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 236

About this episode

A federal indictment against a former Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist for allegedly selling nuclear secrets to Venezuela serves as a primary example of state-sponsored media manipulation. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze how the Washington Times and reporter Jerry Seeper framed the story to link Hugo Chavez with nuclear threats, mirroring previous propaganda campaigns used to justify interventions in Iraq and Iran. The hosts argue that Venezuela's oil reserves make it the latest target for a manufactured geopolitical narrative.

Geopolitical tensions rise as the CIA and ISI face scrutiny over the murder of MQM leader Dr. Imran Farooq in London and the historical creation of the Taliban. In the United States, pharmaceutical giants like Eli Lilly and Bristol-Myers Squibb are rebranding antipsychotics like Abilify and Seroquel for mild depression, while the website KidsWithDepression.com pathologizes normal childhood behaviors to expand the market for pediatric medication. Meanwhile, 3M’s acquisition of Atenti signals a shift toward universal remote people tracking, and the corn industry attempts to rebrand high fructose corn syrup as corn sugar to evade public health concerns.

John C. Dvorak introduces a theory regarding Christine O'Donnell and Sarah Palin as MKUltra presidential models while reflecting on the cancellation of his show Cranky Geeks due to failing ad agency metrics. The episode features a formal knighting ceremony for Sir Paul Couture and Sir Rory Stone, celebrating the success of the value-for-value model over traditional corporate media structures.


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CHAPTER 01 / 29 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 236 Introduction and Chat Room Welcome

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 236 of the No Agenda show on September 19, 2010. Curry broadcasts from his "Hilltop Watchtower" in Southern California while Dvorak joins from Silicon Valley. They welcome the "human resources" listening live in the No Agenda chat room and set the stage for the day's media deconstruction.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· hilltop watchtower· crackpot command center· no agenda chat

00:00 Why, they don't even have their name trademarked! They don't know what they're doing! They don't have a trademark, they're idiots! They're stupid, I can't believe it! They're throwing money away! Someone's gonna- yeah, they're leaving money on the table! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's September 19th, Sunday, it's 2010, time to get my Nation Media Assassination Episode 236! This is no agenda. Smoking an old Holborn, rolling rice paper because I'm still allowed to here at the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center in Gimmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the trains are running at low speeds, I'm John C. Dvorak.

00:39 Trying to hit an in the morning when you make me laugh something your fault falling on the in the morning. Yeah, I slipped you're right I'm trying to play it off In the morning to you, John. And in the morning to you and all ships at sea and to the human resources out there. Well, not just out there, the ones that are in the chat room at noagendachat.net. That's where the party always is. Hope you're all nice and charged up because your government wants you that way. Generate some electricity. Might as well get used to it. Yes, indeed. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

CHAPTER 02 / 29 Discussion

Sir Aradardarian, Media Literacy for Teenagers

A letter from Sir Aradardarian describes his 14-year-old daughter identifying a Katy Perry concert stunt as a staged setup. The hosts celebrate the idea of "corrupting" teenagers by teaching them to recognize media manipulation and propaganda. They reflect on the show's influence on families and the use of profanity in their broadcasts.

sir aradardarian· katy perry· media literacy· producers· teenagers

01:16 So we got an interesting letter from a fan, producer. Actually, I think a knight, isn't Aradardarian a knight? Oh yeah, he's a knight now. That's right, he's a knight. Yeah, Sir. Sir Aradardarian. Yes, make no mistake, Sir Aradardarian. It was a great note, actually. Why don't you read it, John? I don't have it. Oh, you douchebag! I've got the other thing on my screen. You are such a douchebag! You're like, I want to do this thing, like the whole prep is like that. No, I said you read the letter and then I'm gonna go on to the next. You call in and like, here's what I want to do this, I want to go there, I want to start with this, I want to start with that. See, this is why we don't rehearse it, even try. And then you say, now, do you have that link? And I go looking for the link. Okay, I have the story.

02:01 Hi guys, I have to tell you a very quick story that made me proud. This is from Sir Aaradardarian, Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable, also an executive producer of course. Last night my family and I were driving in our car and my wife brings up a story about Katy Perry calling out an ex-flame who quote happened to be sitting in the first rows at one of her concerts. She even changed the words to the next song to incorporate his name. My wife says, oh what a poor guy. My 14 year old daughter Grace pipes up and says, Mom, seriously, you don't think that was a setup? Then I respond, Gracie, you're thinking like a No Agenda producer. She had a big smile on her face and said, well, you maybe listened to it enough. Something must have sunk in. I love that. Yep. We're doing our part of corrupting the teenagers of America. No, it's fantastic. So they're not suckered by every dumb thing that comes down the pipe. Exactly. We are changing the face of America. We are helping families rear their youngins.

02:59 And I'm quite proud of that actually. Although, you know, when I read that note I immediately was thinking to myself, oh geez, you know all the talk about hookers and blow and all the F bombs and everything. It's like... Well, you're the F bomb at Meister. No, you do... Well, you've been known to drop an F here or there. I do it like once a month just for effect, for actual impact. Oh, that's right. And it does impact us all. Well, you always comment. Alright, so we did that. Now what was next on your agenda? Well, Dan, the next thing on the agenda... Your agenda... Yes? Did I lose you already? Oh, blow me! Geez Louise! Our Brazilian producers... Hold on, hold on, John, John, John, John, hold on a second, hold on. You dropped out for a second. Okay, what's next on your agenda? You gotta start over. So, next on the agenda... Yes, the agenda. Your agenda...

CHAPTER 03 / 29 Discussion

Los Alamos National Laboratory, Venezuelan Nuclear Indictment Propaganda

A former Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist and his wife face federal indictment for allegedly attempting to sell nuclear secrets to a person they believed was a Venezuelan official. The hosts characterize the Washington Times report by Jerry Seeper as a planted piece of propaganda designed to associate Hugo Chavez with nuclear threats. They compare the media tactics to those used against Iraq and Iran, noting that Venezuela is likely being targeted for its oil interests.

los alamos· venezuela· hugo chavez· jerry seeper· washington times

03:50 on my agenda the uh... that note reminded me of this article to somebody sent in actually breathless all you do you think that uh... uh... shabazz is like did starting and uh... a new program down in venezuela because of this article yeah and this article is a piece of propaganda that is an indictment of a couple apparently were passing uh... nuclear weapons data to someone they believe to be a and it's always from los alamos national laboratory i mean that thing is like a sieve don't we know that either that or these that these people may have been this may be a uh...

04:28 they may have been moles for all we know and they've been pulled out. This is the methodology. I mean, I'm still wondering where's the, where's the, uh, that Fort Hood shooter? What did they do with him? Don't worry. He's hanging out with, I haven't heard anything. He's hanging out with Ken Lay in Paraguay. So they, they structure. Now the Washington times, we now have to assume, and I didn't do it to have enough time to go into the works of Jerry Sepper, the Washington times writer. I'll do that while you're talking. Do that while we're talking. They write up this piece which has all the disclaimers in it, but they're all deep in the article. If you realize that most people when they read newspaper articles, they tend to just look at the headline and maybe look at the first paragraph. So the first paragraph on this headline, couple indicted in nuclear weapons case.

05:17 A former scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and his wife have been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of communicating classified nuclear weapons data to a person they believe to be a Venezuelan government official and conspiring to participate in the development of an atomic weapon for Venezuela! Justice Department said on Friday. He can't even keep his oil depots from blowing up from lightning strikes. He's gonna build no nuclear weapon. Well, so the whole thing makes it sound you're really... Oh my god! So two things come to mind. One is Chavez is working on a bomb. Or wait, you can't not associate Chavez because we've already done it with that idiot in Iran, Ahmadinejad.

06:05 And so, wait a bit. I think it even says it somewhere, doesn't it? In the article? Like his new friend? maybe it might have been whatever the case was this is to do it this is an associative article so you put this out there and it puts into the this is how people believe that Iraq somehow is involved in 9-11 it's these kinds of articles it's funny John because Colin Powell was on meet the press this morning and you know when they roll that guy out it's time to communicate something you know so it's the lies are coming again and of course we know Colin Powell was the liar who stood there with the yellow cake liar liar liar have you ever seen that that sign in that in Ron Bloom's office from Colin Powell have you ever read that no because he went to those like some Kleiner Perkins thing and Colin Powell who was I think a limited partner to a zillion apart and and

06:59 And he signed it for Ron and it's I can't remember it verbatim, but it's something like a quote saying you know you you you were part of the team and even if you disagree with the mission you still have to be a part of the team. Something like, to that matter. I'm like, oh my god, that's exactly what he did. He was a part of the team to go invade Iraq. He's a team player. That's right. Team player. So anyway, the article goes on and it mentions very carefully that later in the article says by the way, Venezuela is just used as a stooge, we don't know anything if they're doing anything at all whatsoever but it's buried. And then it gets back into the story about how they taped these conversations, Mr. Mascaroni discussed his program for developing

07:50 Get mascaroni. I know it's what it is now click on the link for the author and tell me this guy isn't the largest Ever see look at him with his sunglasses. This is funny click on his name. I'm clicking Looks like he just got out of the CIA Ecuador DeParle, you know Jerry seeper I Got put that in the chat room. They'll get a kick out of that one. That's Mexican Mexican. Here's his articles Mexicans with gang ties arrested in California These the people who write for the Washington Times as I G probing black Hawaii shirt look at it. Yeah

08:34 Yeah, this looks a guy looks you know a couple more years. I'll look like this guy. What do you mean couple more years? Anyway anyway gang stuff drugs gangs all kinds of DEA's Jerry man. It's Jerry's beat Jerry is beat. So anyway, so it goes on and the whole thing makes it sound like something's going on. There's nothing going on. The whole thing's a scam. I think the guy just had to, you know, it was like, could you please fill up 700 words? No, this thing was set up to make us be suspicious. We're going after Chavez. Well of course we are. We've been going after them. If you read the Secrets of the Confessions of the Economic Hitmen, Chavez is prominently mentioned as one of the guys we tried to kill and didn't. Well you know I'm quite sure that this whole Netherlands Antilles turning into a basically a full-on municipality of the Netherlands on 10-10-10 has something to do with it.

09:36 Because then it's you know, it's gonna be getting lowlands. It's gonna be it's really it's gonna be the Netherlands that will no longer Netherlands Antilles just the Netherlands it'll be good a land and And he's got his oil there. So it's all a part of it They are closing in for sure and he says it Chavez is saying it. No, this is no good You know, what's really good though is he's got that polar beer. Yeah, he's got some awesome beer I have to say it so don't blow up that factory guys. We like the beer and Polar beer you've had it the way they pronounce it as polar, but it's a lot you've had it. Yeah Oh, yeah, we drank it. Oh you had it in bonair. Oh, it's it's really good beer It's really nice if you drink it right out of the bottle. It's it's awesome But it's it's it has a polar bear on it, and it's so of course it's polar, but you pronounce it polar. Oh

10:29 locally so anyway this article who put it in the show notes but this article such such a crock it's i mean it's such an obvious planted article to get us to think bad things about venice where one is this way was not working on anything now yet they're making beer that's all they're doing so well they're trying to have been putting on t.v. shows with that which crazy sure does as the you know it's a little president a but should you see a jerry seeper anywhere and give a douche bag from adamant jar You may not recognize him because of his glasses. He's incognito. I love that picture. He's a douchebag. All right, John, did we see any support from our producers out there this week? Yeah. Oh, that doesn't sound like a promising. I clicked on Seeper's first article written for the place in like 2008 and it has to do with Clinton's vanishing

CHAPTER 04 / 29 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, No Agenda Art Generator

The hosts acknowledge high-tier donors including Norman McDonough and Paul Couture. Couture is credited with creating the No Agenda Art Generator and presenting it at a Drupal camp in Asheville, North Carolina. The segment covers the distribution of "10-10-10" challenge coins and the "de-douching" of various listeners who have recently contributed to the show's value-for-value model.

paul couture· no agenda art generator· asheville· challenge coins· nighthood

11:23 papers anyway yeah we got that three executive producers all that's nice including norman mcdonnell McDonough I think is how you pronounce it. McDonough McDonough McDonough. I think it could be McDonough Kitchener Kitchener Ontario $350 one-time credited donation Paul Couture again from the latest hello. That's going sir Paul sir Paul Sorry Antioch, Tennessee 333 33 and by the way, I did get my coins are fantastic Aren't they just the most beautiful things in the world? Yeah, no, they're just fantastic. You couldn't ask for a better coin. No. Well, we'll talk about it in a moment. Paul is really an artist more than anything else. And so he essentially, I mean, the design is perfect. You couldn't do a better job. I got a note from Paul. He's also like, isn't he a Drupal guy or PHP guy? Drupal. So he presented the No Agenda Art Generator, which is at noagendaartgenerator.info, a Drupal camp in Asheville.

12:25 He says in his note, had about 78 new people being hit in the mouth including three that mentioned they knew the formula. 125 coins left for the 10-10-10 coin so you better hurry up if you want to get in on that one go to noagendafans.com. You know locally they call Asheville Sheville and you can go to sheville.com, S-H-E-V-I-L-L-E.com and see the reason why. And when you visit Asheville you understand it. Isn't that a tranny site? No, Sheville is... Asheville, North Carolina is populated hugely by women of the women persuasion. Oh really? Of the women of the female persuasion? Do you have a problem saying lesbians or homosexuals? I refuse. Jeffrey Yang

13:18 Flushing New York 333 33 and he becomes a knight so he'll be sir Jeffrey after the show you pronounce it It looks like GFA is what looks like but if you look at his no, you're right Jeffrey I'm sorry. You're right really to want to squeeze into the Sunday show blah blah blah He's got an interview for a job on Monday next time. Yeah, okay I was just complaining to him that he got his thing in late Rick is a naughty And those are our executive producers Rick Zanotti, Camarillo, California. Camarillo Brillo $250 in the morning till you love the show. John and Adam in the world of darkness you give light. If you could mention a new app that we did it would be great. It's a fun simple app called your inner master.

13:56 Cool, I got it. I got it all by the NSA and it's fun. So the what is owned by the NSA? Serious goofy and has one no agenda line in it. There are 105 responses So you have to play with it and then he has a bitly link which it's impossible to read in a couple of weeks We're releasing a serious meditation app something Adam needs We will send for us to mean Okay, or money then hold on a second. Let me check out well. I'm oh if it's reviewable I'll do it on the big app show obviously That's what we're here for is it so I would assume it's an iPhone app. Yeah Well, it doesn't matter because if it's I'm doing Android apps pretty soon. Oh good end of the month Lucas Hokanson he's a familiar supporter a patron Kirk, Manitoba, Canada and

14:48 uh... two twenty seven eighty five this two twenty seven a fellow finish off my nighthood hope uh... get it in on time yeah it you've got it in on time for the for the past thursday show so he's gonna be our night that again and rory stone uh... rapid city south dakota uh... twenty three years old uh... living between buildings montana rapid city south dakota which also is that middle of nowhere nine four five three seven I listen to no agenda to an absurd amount with sometimes ten plus hours driving some weeks. There you go. I would appreciate a small plug for the Rorystone.com site. R-O-R-Y-stone dot com. Eric East deserves another de-douching. You've been de-douched.

15:40 there's some other you want some complexity here that we can accomplish this is due to the fact that my buddy Eric East because has been just he's getting Rory next time make these sentences instead of just one series of words he's been accepted to the s d s m and t well south dakota southern methodist and technical school biomedical engineering masters program good on you but he never donated so give him a douche bag shout out douche bag i don't know what that's all about and my and by the way roy will be a knight today michael hager st louis missouri two hundred dollars loves the show all right that's it vr mentions uh...

CHAPTER 05 / 29 Discussion

Microphone Interference, Connecticut Lottery Superstition

A technical glitch causes strange tapping sounds in the audio, leading to a brief discussion about potential tremors or equipment failure. Amidst the troubleshooting, the hosts mention a listener who plans to use his challenge coin serial number to play the Connecticut daily lottery for a month.

microphone interference· connecticut lottery· challenge coins· technical glitch

16:23 Mark LaKenna says hey, I just got my challenge coins from noagendafans.com the other day came up with a new idea My coin is number 371. I'm going to play the Connecticut daily number lottery with that number for a month John this is really weird. Is that where's that coming from? What? Oh wait, it's it's coming from my mic. What the hell? Yeah, this is weird Hey, what the hell? It's because that little bug that they put in the mic is now bumping up against the diaphragm. It's really weird. Listen to that. Do you hear it? No. Hold on a second. How is that happening? What is it? What sound is it making? You don't hear that? No. Be quiet for a second. You don't hear that? No!

17:14 That is the weirdest thing. Ask the chat room if they hear anything. Well, it's maybe it's a... Well, if you pound the mic I can hear that. I have a feeling that that it could be um that maybe we're having tremors or something that it's coming because you know I have a stone floor. Delirium tremens? Shut up. That is the weirdest thing. Oh, you mean you think the place is vibrating? Yeah, he's sliding down the hill in a second. Hey, I'm surfing! I'm goofy down the hill now! I don't know what's going on. Don't worry about it. If it cuts out, then you know what's going on. Anyway, I'm gonna play the Connecticut Daily Number Lottery with that number for a month. John, this is weird.

18:01 Kroll KJ. I don't know what to do about this. This is what's only bothering you apparently on the chat room. Here's it Oh, they do. Well, what are they hearing? What does it sound like? Can you describe this? Oh No, it's it's a bitch Yeah, don't even say it. Don't even say it. All right. Well mark good luck with that as John actually replied to your email Yeah, good luck with that And then you know we often that wasn't the tone I had yeah, it was pretty much the tone you had that's because email does not adequately Give tonal indication with any accuracy. Hey, let me try this oh no that changed something yeah, hold on a second Maybe your mics a piece of crap. No well. It's a pile PR 40 oh

CHAPTER 06 / 29 Discussion

SpongeBob SquarePants, Normality Propaganda Allegations

The hosts examine a clip from SpongeBob SquarePants titled "Not Normal," where the character attempts to become a "normal person." They suggest that Hollywood writers may be influenced by No Agenda themes, though they later acknowledge the episode might be older than initially thought. The segment concludes with a final roll call of associate executive producers.

spongebob squarepants· normality· bruce bibow· media influence· hollywood

18:52 So I don't pilot crap it's a PR pilot crap okay there we go you're on a fun of 40 yeah don't sound bassy enough I doesn't know I think it you know what I don't care what you think you know how we often think or suspect that writers in Hollywood listen to this show I'm pretty suspected more than I do well come on. I mean that at the Jon Stewart show We know at least there's one writer listening to us there. Yeah, because they you know they throw all of a sudden they come up with hot pockets Yeah, right come on. Please actually know one of the writers there. Well. Well that maybe there's a connection, but I think there's also a connection at the producers of SpongeBob SquarePants and Because there's this bit that who sent this in to me Bruce Bibow and

19:45 And this I guess this air just yesterday, so it's the brand new episode called not normal Spongebob wants to become normal So he watches a videotape about how to become normal now this already fits in with the entire no agenda Theme of the show at the end of the how-to well listen for yourself Are you tired of being called a freak People throw you out of their homes. Well, do they? Yes, yes, and yes! Then join me as I take you on a journey into normality. Normality. The life of a normal person is relatively simple. Here is your typical average Joe on his way to work. See how he is dressed. Even his hair is boring. Notice his features. Nice and smooth, without a crater or freckle to be seen.

20:39 I don't know. And now of course the chat room is saying it apparently is a really old episode. So maybe I'm just wrong. That's alright, we can be wrong from time to time. Sounded like it's Spongebob. That's what I said, Spongebob Squarepants. Spongebob hasn't been on the, hasn't produced a new show for about five years before. I think they haven't produced a show since we began. I'm glad I brought it up.

21:27 Anyway, thank you our thanks to our executive producers for today's program Norman McDonough sir Paul Couture Jeffrey Yang associate executive producers Rick Zanotti Lucas Hawkinson Rory Stone and Michael Hager as you know this is an official credit you can put it in your email on your business card on your resume Just like a Hollywood credit. He can even go into your IMDb profile unlike a Hollywood credit you can always call us up and we'll vouch for you because it works exactly the way it works in in the real world You pay for something, you help the show, you are a producer, executive or associate executive. All the rest of you, go out and propagate the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. New World Order! Fight it and say it loudly. Shut up sleeves! On Thursday's show, John, you had this very kind of

CHAPTER 07 / 29 Discussion

Christine O'Donnell, MKUltra Presidential Model Theory

John C. Dvorak posits a theory that political figures like Christine O'Donnell and Sarah Palin are "MKUltra girls" or "Presidential Models" created through mind control. He cites O'Donnell's past comments about a date at a "satanic altar" and her lack of traditional employment as evidence of her being a "mind-controlled drone." The hosts criticize the Tea Party Express for promoting candidates they view as inexperienced puppets.

christine o'donnell· mkultra· project monarch· sarah palin· tea party express

22:33 tedious analysis of What was it? What's her name? I don't remember crazy Catholic chick Christine O'Donnell. Yeah, it's getting better. Yeah, it's well I figured it out I think Okay, so it's a Christina Donald of course was she grew up in New Jersey I think, right? And yeah, yeah. And it was, I was, what was I watching? Bill Maher. It must have been, I don't know if it was a repeat or whatever, I can't watch the guy's show, but we passed by it last night and Bill Maher apparently had her on his show when it was politically incorrect. Yeah, years ago, 1999 as a matter of fact. And then she tells this story about her first date was actually a date with a witch

23:24 And the date took place at a satanic altar, which is kind of weird. The Mail Online actually has a rundown of this particular... and she looks kind of cute as like a young Jersey girl. And she was very promiscuous, you know, Catholic high school girl in trouble, essentially, is what she is. And I'm looking at this and reading about her and I'm like, you know, what is going on here? And by the way, she has a huge ass and if you ever see her in profile, my God, the ass is like, there's like a bootay sticking out. Not that it makes any difference. But then all of a sudden I'm seeing her, I'm seeing Sarah Palin and it hits me. It's so obvious. These are MKUltra.

24:17 They are MKUltra girls. Now if you don't know what MKUltra is, please Google. This is the second half of the show. You keep doing this every week. No, no. But this MKUltra and Project Monarch are well known. They've been admitted by the CIA. Even Clinton has... He's too young. Who says they stopped the program? And in fact they have something known as the presidential model which is, so essentially it's a MK ultra slave that is clean and can be used for sex with important people like presidents. They call it the presidential model. How funny is that that Sarah Palin actually ran on a presidential ticket?

24:57 She is a presidential model and she is she's clean pristine and this girl is it's clear it this is NK ultra to the max no doubt about it. Google that stuff couple links in the show notes and when you put it together with the promiscuous sex with the satanic altar on her first date with witchcraft she even says oh yeah there was a little bit of blood there. I mean come on it's so obvious these are mind-controlled drones that are being put into politics. She's got no, she's never had a job in her life by the way. No, of course not. This is, you know, Ron Paul's got to be at his wits end. Apparently he's been hinting around this guys have been co-opted.

25:42 But the, you know, these, everybody's so proud of themselves, Rush Limbaugh and Hannity, you know, they're all so proud of themselves for getting this woman elected over this guy they think's a douchebag, Castle. And the fact of the matter is, hey, I don't give a crap who you put up, but put somebody at least that shows, is that the best you can do? A person that's never worked a job in their life, actually spent all their time complaining about Obama having nobody with any business experience, you're going to put a woman like that up? But that's what makes it so perfect. You know, she's perfect for running the country. She has no experience. It's like you could almost put it on monster.com.

26:22 Do you have no experience whatsoever? Have you never held a real job in your life? Do you like satanic sex? Are you a dummy? You're a complete dummy. Okay, you're in! Congratulations! Would you like $130,000 a year in salary? All you have to do is look for anything attached to the Tea Party Express. That's the group behind all this crap. MK ultra T. Cartier's including a couple of our nights are being duped by these people. Yeah, that's alright I think slowly we're getting through to people. I think I think we are where hey look we're having influence on 14 year old kids That's probably our target audience. This is good. There's another thing

CHAPTER 08 / 29 Discussion

Pakistan Nuclear Weapons, CIA and ISI Relations

The discussion shifts to the geopolitical situation in Pakistan, suggesting that the war in Afghanistan is a smokescreen for the U.S. to secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. They note the murder of MQM leader Dr. Imran Farooq in London and the historical role of the CIA and ISI in creating the Taliban. The hosts express a desire for more "man on the street" input from listeners in Pakistan.

pakistan· cia· isi· afghanistan· imran farooq

27:05 A couple weeks ago, we really didn't go anywhere with it because you kind of threw it at me and I wasn't prepared for it. You had a whole bunch of links, maybe we didn't even discuss it in the show, we had a whole bunch of links about the CIA and the ISI, Pakistan's CIA. The ISS. Sorry, the ISS. I'm thinking to myself, you know when you sum it all up right, we've got black water all over Pakistan, hundreds of Pakistanis have been killed, we've got drones flying over Pakistan, literally like zapping people out of their homes. Maybe this, I'm thinking this whole Afghanistan thing is just a smoke screen because if you look at the top of, and you do this from time to time, you know when you read about a country in the news, look at it on Google Earth.

27:53 The top of Pakistan borders on China. So, and you know that of course our administrations have been very closely tied to China for decades and let me, oh yeah that's right they're paying our rent. Do you think that maybe it's a part of what's what's happening this prolonging of bullshit in Afghanistan is really just a smoke screen to take away Pakistan's nukes completely undermine the country which I think is happening quite well. Oh, yeah Maybe use some weather modification to drown the fuckers And and you know and then the black gold can flow right through Pakistan right from China right through northern Pakistan I think that we've been we've maybe even been duped a little bit Oh, no, we do listeners out there have to assume That you and I are going to be duped as much as anybody except that we're trying to maintain an awareness of being duped We're trying on a higher level because it because because we have to do this show. Yeah twice a week

28:53 twice a week so we try to dedupe ourselves as much as we can but yeah no we could be we'd better me there could be another layer after that that we're missing and yeah that's a possibility it makes sense to me and if and if you talk to and we've had input to this effect If you, the public in Pakistan all believes that the whole activity in the area, all of it, has nothing to do with anything but getting the nukes. That's what the man on the street in Pakistan believes. That makes a lot. Do we have any listeners in Pakistan? They're just like the Indians, they're cheap. So don't tell... No, it's okay. I hereby give a presidential no agenda pardon to any listeners in... even if you're in India and you have information about Pakistan and you're a cheap bastard, it's okay if you're a douchebag. And by the way, it's the Indians who told us that they're cheap bastards. We're not making it up.

29:47 uh... send us some information about what the man on the street really thinks he would we have nothing we got we got plenty of stuff from uh... from australia we got uh... you have one or two listeners in china but we have a literally nothing from pakistan that way you know that because it's an english-speaking country along with their own their other languages but pakistan and india both have listeners there's a billion people there somebody's gotta be listening to our show they could give us some input it was just another political murder get a note from the i a size some some student with the really what is the mq and that's why i decide that what is that what is the mq and is that a political party in uh... science i not i a says by the way i said i a sign you said i a s i said i had to mq m

30:32 Yeah, it's a party I think. Okay, so did you know that the leader Dr. Imran Farooq was murdered last week in London? Stab near his home in the British capital. The killing stunned the party as well as political circles and sent Karachi into a state of virtual lockdown. Markets, schools, fuel stations remained closed on Friday as an air of dread prevailed in the metropolis. But the violence has been minimal and thankfully no lives have been lost. Yeah, except for Farouk. I really believe that it's being split. Look, the CIA and the ISI, they created the Taliban for Christ's sakes. Sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain. But they created the Taliban. This is known, documented facts. So I think this whole... Although there's references to a Taliban in the turn of the century 1900. Really? In the documentation, yeah. I have a... this is a news report from 2002.

CHAPTER 09 / 29 Discussion

Osama Bin Laden, 2002 CBS News Dialysis Report

The hosts revisit a 2002 CBS News report by Dan Rather and Barry Peterson claiming Osama Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment in a Pakistani military hospital on the eve of September 11. They analyze the report as a piece of state-sponsored programming and discuss the long-standing rumors regarding Bin Laden's health and his status as a potential CIA asset.

osama bin laden· dan rather· cbs news· dialysis· pakistan

31:34 So this is uh and it's Dan Rather before the media assassinated him and took him out because you know he didn't play along with this I think he was just senile didn't play along with the script he didn't mean any harm And this is about Bin Laden. This is actually, it's good to remind people from time to time that Bin Laden was already on a dialysis machine in 2002. Supposedly. Supposedly in Pakistan. Dan Rather reporting from CBS News headquarters in New York. Good evening. As the United States and its allies in the war on terrorism press the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, CBS News has exclusive information tonight about what

32:12 where bin laden was and what he was doing in the last hours before his followers struck the united states september eleventh i'd love listening to these old reports and this is where the indoctrination was really cranking up and uh... and it's it's fun to listen to it in hindsight i think this is a result of hard-nosed investigative reporting by a team of cbs news journalist Where's the telex? Hard-nosed investigative reporting. Yeah, sources say. You mean, did the CIA hand you the script? Here, they put it right out. They have a direct line into your teleprompter, Dan, rather. And by one of the best foreign correspondents in the business, CBS's Barry Peterson. Who's Barry Peterson? Do we know Barry? I don't know. He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Barry Peterson is not hosting the news at 6, so I don't know if he's the best. Here is Peterson's exclusive report.

33:04 Everyone remembers what happened on September 11th. Here's the story. Perfect how they do that. You see the towers fall down. You know, it's like remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, shut up slaves. What may have happened the night before. It is a tale as twisted as the hunt for Osama bin Laden. CBS News has been told that the night before the September 11th terrorist attack, Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan. He was getting medical treatment with the support of the very military that days later pledged its backing for the US war on terror in Afghanistan. This is good, right? This is actually good stuff, but it's programming you.

33:40 It's awesome. This report is great. It's so fantastic. It's like... sources, hard-nosed reporting, unidentified people. It's like, what? Up to no good. Secret team. ...employee who also wanted his identity masked. And I saw the mysterious patient helped out of a car. Since that time, he says, I have seen many pictures of the man. He is the man we know as Osama bin Laden. I also heard two army officers talking to each other. They were saying that Osama bin Laden had to be watched carefully and looked after.

34:40 Those who know bin Laden say he suffers from numerous ailments. Those who know bin Laden? Why doesn't... never! Who? Who knows bin Laden? Yeah, those. I spoke to those. I spoke to those people. Them over there. These people. ...and stomach problems. Ahmed Rashid, who has written extensively in the Taliban, says the military was often there to help before 9-11. There were reports that Pakistani intelligence had helped the Taliban by dialysis machines. And the rumor was that these were wanted for Osama bin Laden. guys anyway so you can go watch that in a couple interesting things one of course yes stomach problems which i can i think it's probably true because he always looks like he has heartburn any any only uses right at arm his left arm might be paralyzed he never raises his left arm

35:28 and he uh... but of course you know i think the i think it's at we we've got these two so at least i assume i think you might be on board with me on this that or or or or uh... then lines always been a cia opera from the day one and still is and that's what it is a lot of that i'm not sure him i don't think he's alive That's okay, but by now we've long forgotten that. We've long forgotten that. But they still can't catch him, if you know what I mean. You know, I think it was really a blunder, you know, Bush probably got read the riot act after he went out, so we're gonna get him dead or alive, and so he's like, hey, hey, hey! Shut up! Stop talking about bin Laden, will ya? Shh, quiet now. Anyway, so I think we need to keep our eyes... It's very hard to get true... What the hell do we know about Pakistan? Nothing.

CHAPTER 10 / 29 Discussion

Iran Travel, Barber Shop Anecdote

Adam Curry shares a story from his Iranian barber, who claims that the threat of war with Iran is exaggerated and encourages visiting the country. The hosts discuss the beauty of Iran and the difficulties of obtaining journalist visas for travel to restricted nations like North Korea or Cuba.

iran· tehran· travel· journalism· barber

36:15 Nothing! We know nothing about it. There's never any reporting on it except for the hard-nosed journalism from CBS in 2002. But what do you know about Pakistan? Oh, there's a really good newspaper, I think it's the Friday Report or something like that, people should read that. Pakistan is, you know, I don't know that much about it, I've never been there, they scare you to not go, so I'm not going to obviously casually visit. I don't think you really know a country until you visit it. Exactly, we don't know anything. I mean, it's like the first time I went to China I was stunned because it was like, you know, you were given all this bullcrap and you go over there. It's like totally different Well, that's like Iran, you know, it's beautiful Some parts of Iran are just astoundingly beautiful. No. Yeah, I was I was getting my haircut yesterday at I call him the barber some people call him the hairdresser and he's from Iran and

37:10 And his family still lives there, but he moved over here like 25 years ago, whatever. Has kids, a whole family, everything. And his sister's here as well. And he's like, they're not gonna bomb Iran. We all know that. It's all bullcrap. It's total bullcrap. It's just not true. And I'm like, can I go visit? He says, yeah, sure. If you can get in, you can go stay with his family. It's beautiful. So I think we should go. We should go. We should totally go. I can get in. I think they still allow journalists to go there. uh... what you have to listen to a passport there you can't be sneaking in you have journalists and in your passport and nobody can get that this not be i don't think that's where they do it is this done through a permit process and i know i'm going to cuba but the problem is how many of the cuban message that you have to go to canada to get the cuban can't is not like a flight from miami to cuba and go to jamaica and then get on your right i get on the inner tube you are like to go

38:07 North Korea the drink cabernet or doh Bordeaux young ill but seems that nobody can get the word to the guy No, I told you we had this discussion already. Anyway, keep your eye on Pakistan if there's any Pakistanis listening to this show Please let us know what's what's happening John. I want to corroborate I think was pretty much your thesis that started it and we started paying attention to How well it started kind of with the Obama bashing and you know now Hillary is starting to ramp up and I think you and I both agree that it looks like Hillary is going to give up the State Department gig and she will run in 2012 Obama will probably say yeah, you know it's like I did my job and I want to spend more time with my kids right so there's this website called news flavor.com I have no idea who's behind it

CHAPTER 11 / 29 Discussion

Barack Obama, White House Insider Hit Piece

A viral article from Newsflavor.com, allegedly written by a White House insider, claims President Obama is "losing it" and prone to temper tantrums. The hosts discuss the possibility that this is a coordinated effort to pave the way for a Hillary Clinton run in 2012. They also reference an anecdote from Jason Calacanis regarding the Obamas' alleged behavior toward waitstaff.

barack obama· newsflavor· hillary clinton· jason calacanis· michelle obama

39:00 But it is going somewhat viral. This piece that started, it's like a multi-article piece, started September 7th. White House insider on Obama, the president is losing it. A long time Washington DC insider and former advisor to the Obama election campaign and transition team speaks out on administration in crisis and a president increasingly withdrawn from the job of the president. And the whole article is essentially this insider, of course, who goes unnamed, saying, you know, he doesn't care. He only wants to be out, he loves being out on the road, he loves campaigning, but he throws hissy fits, he's like a spoiled kid, he only wants to watch sports, he wants to play golf, it's like so obvious that they're throwing out these hit pieces now to show that, you know, the guy doesn't want, he doesn't even want to be there. And by the way, I believe he doesn't want to be there.

40:02 Obama is scared to death of Hillary. He doesn't trust her. Obsesses over her almost as much as he obsesses over Fox News. He respects her though, which might be why he fears her so much as well. He talks the game, but when it comes down to it, she has played the game on a far tougher level than he has and Obama knows that. Let me see if I can find the losing it quote, which is kind of funny. Is this the article that's got that pastel? Yes, yes, that's the one. Okay, like I said, it's been a while since I was last at the White House. This insider apparently left about a month ago. But I don't have a problem saying the president is losing it. I don't mean he's like losing his mind, although thank you for that headline. That's the meme that propagates.

40:47 I mean to say that he's losing whatever spark he had during the campaign. When you take away the crowds, Obama gets noticeably smaller. He shrinks up inside himself. He just doesn't seem to have the confidence to do the job of president and is getting worse and worse. Case in point, just a few days before I left, I saw first-hand the President of the United States yelling at a member of his staff. He was yelling like a spoiled child and then he pouted for several moments after. I wish I was kidding or exaggerating but I am not. The President of the United States threw a temper tantrum. Woo! Apparent... Now this is interesting. I've never gotten this story reconfirmed but I heard it.

41:23 which when it came from Jason Calacanis apparently he ran- the Ministry of Truth himself well he apparently was well of course he's a name dropper so you never know what the situation really is but he this is before just like a couple years before he even ran for president apparently he was in some situation where they were at the same dinner party or something where the Obama's were- oh yeah of course because Jason's always sucking off VC so it was probably a venture capital fundraising thing or something yeah And apparently Obama and... I like Jason by the way. I think for the sleazy kind of persona he is, I like the guy.

42:02 just say yours so uh... the uh... the point is is that apparently both him and michelle were extremely rude to the wait staff who really he found that it was so it was he's he said it was so bad really really that's the mind that he'd be just has no respect for the guy because of that all my gosh and i think i have to ask you so i think michelle obama's a big old just and not see So I don't know where that came from. Was that Kalacanis? No, yeah, that's Jason. That's from Kalacanis.com. That's from thisweekin.com. So anyway, but you know, I believe that, I don't see why you'd make a story like that up. So, but you certainly publish it. I get the sense that he's kind of haughty and arrogant. Yes.

42:54 Oh yeah, totally. And Michelle apparently, there's a lot of stories coming out about her now, which is all part of this propagandistic push to get rid of them, both of them. Yeah. About how she hates the jail... We read it last week. Yeah, we talked about it yesterday. Yeah, last show. The Daily Mail reported that she hates being the first lady. And according to this article, they have their issues. They have their issues as a couple. Well, all couples have their issues. Oh yeah. Well, except for you. Not anymore. I have no issues. I'm issueless. Everything's great. So anyway, so yeah, this is a concerted effort to get him... I don't know why, I mean, as far as I can tell, I don't see how anyone could be doing a better job than he is doing, except for the fact that he's a stooge. Yeah.

43:38 I mean, what's Hillary gonna do? She's gonna pass the same legislation and the same... God help us if she becomes president. God help us. God help us. I'd rather have Christina O'Donnell. Yeah, because at least you know she's like loose. You know who she looks like? And why they ran her, I'm convinced of it. She looks, think about this people out there, she looks like Rachel Ray. With a big ass. Well, Rachel, have you seen her recently? Rachel Ray is exactly what she looks like. Interesting America's sweetheart. I'm telling you MK ultra is and you know, just flip that switch over here, baby Throw that bitch in my hot tub. I'm ready for her Anyway, John on to the ministry of truth since we're talking about women I'd like to speak up on behalf of women since I usually sound so chauvinistically piggish unbelievable article coming from the Times of India

CHAPTER 12 / 29 Discussion

Pharmaceutical Marketing, Abilify and Seroquel Side Effects

The hosts criticize a report suggesting low-dose Prozac for PMS and play back-to-back commercials for Abilify and Seroquel XR. They highlight the nearly identical, severe side effects listed in the ads, including death, stroke, and uncontrollable muscle movements. They argue that Big Pharma is rebranding powerful antipsychotics for mild depression to expand their market.

prozac· abilify· seroquel xr· big pharma· bipolar depression

44:36 Millions of women now could be freed from the monthly misery of premenstrual syndrome. John, we found the miracle cure! Do you know what it is? The cure for the curse. The cure for the curse. That should have been the title. Do you know what it is, John? It's very simple. I can't believe you and I didn't think of it. Go out and hit people in the mouth. No, all you have to do is give them a low dose of Prozac. For the first time, neuroscientists have found an organic cause for the condition when the levels of a female sex hormone changes. Yes, researchers of the University of Birmingham, led by Thelma Lovick, have shown that premenstrual-like syndromes can be triggered in female rats by a change in the level of secretion of one of the female sex hormones that normally occurs towards the end of the menstrual cycle in women. All you need to do is dope them up.

45:33 Give them a little bit of Prozac. And I think this is a, this is, talk about abhorrent. So you can just wait for the commercial. Are you feeling a little depressed? Are you feeling irritable? Have some Prozac once a month. If Prozac doesn't work, then you can go one step further and add to the prescription with Ambien. So I've got two commercials since we're talking about drugs in a row. One for Ambien and one for some other crazy thing. And I want to play them back to back. We can make a little commentary in the middle. Oh, this is the drug survey? I had that clip too. No, not the drug survey. I've got, I've got, I want to play the Ambien commercial. I only have Abilify. Abilify. Yes. Abilify. And then? This is the new Abilify commercial. It's 115. It's a buck 15. And then our one minute and 30 second commercial I want to follow with called Seroquel XR, which is a drug for bipolar.

46:28 So we play him back-to-back without interruption John is that we have a double shot It's a double shot of drug commercials for you everybody. Okay, then we're gonna do that Let's do it back-to-back without an interruption But here's what I want you to listen for listen for the the contraindications these did the things that can happen to you this This has got to be the exact same drug Okay, this is a comparison study Correct? Yep. Okay, here we go. Learn about a free trial offer from Abilify. If you're taking an antidepressant and still feel depressed, one option your doctor may consider is adding Abilify. Abilify treats depression in adults when added to an antidepressant. Some people had symptom improvement in as early as one to two weeks after adding Abilify. Now with the Abilify Me Plus program, your first two weeks of Abilify can be free.

47:18 Abilify is not for everyone. Call your doctor if your depression worsens or you have unusual changes in behavior or thoughts of suicide. Antidepressants can increase these in children, teens and young adults. Elderly dementia patients taking Abilify have an increased risk of death or stroke. Call your doctor if you have high fever, stiff muscles and confusion to address a possible life-threatening condition. Or if you have uncontrollable muscle movements as these could become permanent. High blood sugar has been reported with Abilify and medicines like it. In some cases, extreme high blood sugar can lead to coma or death. Other risks include decreases in white blood cells, which can be serious, dizziness upon standing, seizures, trouble swallowing, and impaired judgment or motor skills. Adding Abilify has made a difference for me. Visit AbilifyOffer.com for your free trial offer and ask your doctor about the risks and benefits of adding Abilify.

48:10 Dancing with the Stars Season Premiere Monday. When you're living with bipolar depression, it's easy to feel like you're fading into the background. That's because bipolar depression doesn't just affect you, it can consume you. Seroquel® XR is one option proven effective to treat bipolar depression. For many, it's one pill once a day. Here's some important safety information you should be aware of. Call your doctor if you have unusual changes in mood, behavior, or thoughts of suicide. Antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. Elderly dementia patients taking Seroquel XR have an increased risk of death. Call your doctor if you have fever, stiff muscles and confusion as these may be signs of a life-threatening reaction or if you have uncontrollable muscle movements as these could become permanent. High blood sugar has been reported with Seroquel XR and medicines like it and in extreme cases can lead to coma or death.

49:02 Other risks include decreases in white blood cells, which can be fatal. Seizures, increased cholesterol, weight gain, dizziness, unstanding, drowsiness, impaired judgment, and trouble swallowing. Use caution before driving or operating machinery. Learn more about bipolar depression and questions to ask your doctor at saraquelxr.com. Bipolar depression doesn't have to consume you. Take the step today and ask your doctor whether Saraquel XR is right for you. If you can't afford your medication, AstraZeneca may be able to help.

49:40 You know, I think I'm gonna give up the DMT and start taking this crap. This sounds a lot better. I can die from this. This is the exact... I'm telling you the contraindications are identical. With the exception of cataracts. That's the only exception and that could also be the case with the other drug for all we know. So in other words what they're doing to people who take Prozac and Zoloft and all the rest of them that they're trying to get... They're putting a new version of squalene in it. It just amplifies. It's like an amplifier. It makes the drug work better. Well, the way I'm seeing it, that's not even what they're doing. What they're doing is giving people a drug for bipolar disorder. You have mild depression, the next thing you know they put you on what's essentially a drug for bipolar people. This can't be good. This is fantastic! This is why all these zombie movies, it's all a metaphor for where we're headed. And we might as well roll out that

CHAPTER 13 / 29 Discussion

KidsWithDepression.com, Over-Medication of Children

The hosts explore the website KidsWithDepression.com, which lists common childhood behaviors like boredom and irritability as signs of clinical depression. Adam Curry shares an anecdote about his barber's son being flagged by a school for drawing Star Wars pictures. They warn that schools and the pharmaceutical industry are working together to pathologize normal childhood behavior to justify medication.

kidswithdepression.com· ritalin· pharmaceutical industry· star wars· school meetings

50:32 that kids with depression survey while we're at it because this we both saw this and went oh brother this is just outrageous and actually I went to the survey listen to this for a second Childhood depression is often in hiding. If your child is between the ages of 7 and 11 and experiences frequent sadness, social isolation, or an increase in anger or difficulty in school, then your child may be struggling with depression and eligible to participate in a clinical research study evaluating an investigational medication for children with depression. All study-related medications will be provided at no cost. Call 866-754-6244.

51:13 or visit kidswithdepression.com. So I go to kidswithdepression.com. Childhood and teenage depression is often in hiding. And, oh yeah, wait a minute. So does this, so they go through this whole thing. If your child has been displaying one or more of these signs of, by the way, these are signs of depression. It says it right here. For at least two weeks and they are interfering with his or her ability to function, then he, she may be depressed and eligible to take part in the survey. Here we go. Frequent sadness or crying. Oh, kid's depressed. decreased interest in activity depressed kid persistent boredom Jesus Christ I'm sorry I did it again I remember mom I'm bored you're depressed I have never run into a kid with a board social isolation low self-esteem and guilt

52:04 extreme sensitivity to rejection or failure. Hello! Increased irritability, anger or hostility. Frequent absences from school or poor performance in school. Let me go right back to my hairdresser. He sends his kids to a private kindergarten. Private kindergarten in the Valley. $25,000 a year. And they called him up. They said, yeah, we really need to have a meeting about your son. And on Friday, right? I saw him yesterday. So on Friday they called him. Who called him? Lundberg? No, that's exactly what it sounds like. We have to have a meeting. And so he's like, okay, well, you know, I'm really busy, but you know, I can do Monday or Tuesday. And then he hangs up and then he's like, well, what the crap? And he calls back. He says, Hey, you know, wait a minute. First of all, I'm paying you guys 25 grand a year. What's going on? I mean, why do we have to have a meeting? What's happened? Well,

53:03 He's constantly drawing pictures of Star Wars and we have some concerns. I'm like, what? I'm like Sean, dude, they're gonna try and put your kid on Ritalin or some crap like that. They're gonna have Child Protective Services come to your house man. Pull the kid out of that school immediately. This is messed up. You have to have a meeting. You have to have a meeting about your kid drawing Star Wars. Yeah, it's a little violent. Anyway, so this is horrible, horrible, horrible. Does your kid have poor concentration? Crikey! A major change in eating and or sleeping patterns. Talk of or efforts to run away from home. Get away from home at least 10 times! Okay, so anyway, does this study look right for your child? Click yes to continue. Okay, I'm clicking yes.

53:50 And we go to the next page here. Thank you for your interest. Would you like to continue? Okay, blah, blah, blah. Yes. Now here comes the part I like the most. How did you hear about the study? Media type. So we have doctor, family friend, internet, newspaper, other, or TV. So I'm going to select TV and then I get another drop down menu. Oh my goodness. These guys are advertised. 4 p.m. news, 5.30 news, 5 p.m. news, ABC Family, Access Hollywood, AM Northwest, Animal Planet. Atreve Alsonar, Bonnie Hunt, CBS Early Show, Corazones, Court Rotation, Days of Our Lives, Daytime Rotation, Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, Early Show, Ellen, Extra, Family Feud, Fox News, Fox Wake Up,

54:33 Fx, GMA, Good Company, Good Day Extra, Good Day Philadelphia, Good Morning America, Gossip Queen, Hallmark, Inside Edition, Insider, Jeopardy, Jerry Springer, Judge Alex, Judge Hatchett, Judge Joe, Judge Joe Brown, Judge Judy, Judge Matisse, Judge Pirro, LA Fai- I mean it just goes on and on. These are where they're advertising. Because this is the pharmaceutical industry. yeah look where they were the good news shows all those stupid judge shows all is lame material to jerry springer i wonder if it has a npr pbs on here let me tell me pretty funny women who i should have looked at that but do we know uh... let me see what other uh... if we select uh... newspaper uh... they did didn't do a lot of newspaper advertising internets let's see and nothing on just internet is nothing family friend and doctor

55:22 No, okay, so I don't see any PBS sponsorships here, but it isn't look at that list man That's just amazing isn't it Oprah Perry Mason geez TNT Today Show Today Show, Florida tormenta and El Paraiso Wendy Williams, Young and the Restless. I mean this is the pharmaceutical industry telling you your kid needs drugs and it's rampant and this thing that scares me is like Sean with his kid in the kindergarten and they're like, oh we have to have a meeting because he's really showing some troubling, you know we took the survey and he's showing some really troublesome behavior, you know drawing Star Wars. He seems to be very barred

56:06 So I think we have a program we can put him on. It's really good. All the other kids are on it. Smaking them into moron moronic zombies. Yeah, but they get that way they're controllable in the classroom and it's gonna go around. Yeah. I mean when I was a kid, they made you take a nap. They first gave John you put your kids on a leash. Let's be honest. They were so whacked out. But you made a better choice than putting him on drugs. I mean, I'm I agree only on a leash in an airport anyway. So the point is when I was a kid, we had they gave us like a pint of milk.

56:42 Which is notorious for having, you know, things that drop. Yeah, and a smackin' around the ears. Shut up, kids! You get a tiny milk and you had to take a nap. That's right. Or you had to go sit in the corner or you needed some quiet time. And I think that nap actually continued until about the third grade. They don't take naps anymore? I don't think they take naps at all. We always had quiet time. They always try to get the kids on some drug, Ritalin, so they sit there like zombies and so you can collect the money from the state and then you can send them home on their way where their parents go, wow these well behave now. Yeah, oh they'll be a nice good little slave. It's like Soma. You can tell I read Brave New World by now. Finally. Yeah, Soma. S-O-M-A. Soma. That's what it is. All these antidepressants, it's all Soma.

57:29 Aldous Huxley. Read that. I find the whole thing distressing. Yes, it's extremely distressing and and I'm glad you straightened out your hairdresser. He, well he was already, you know, he was already kind of there and I said dude are you out of your mind? He says you know you're so right. I'm paying these people and they're supposed to be like being part of the education and now they're gonna like you know not only that but they should exploit the kid and make him draw more and more and more. Yeah it could be the next George Lucas what's your problem the guy the kids six years old. Oh we have to have a meeting it's really really problematic you know it's showing some of those he's showing some very passive-aggressive you know type

58:09 Tendencies. So, well I'm calling him on Tuesday. I want to find out how that meeting went. But I told him, I said be very careful because the next thing you know, they're gonna say, do you have guns in the house? You watch! You watch, they're gonna ask these questions. It's nuts. It's not yeah, no they asked this all that they asked this when you have when your kid is born in the hospital They have a whole list of questions, and you know you're like you're Katie. You just had a kid you know so you're like I'll answer any question, but that's on that's on the list of questions I've been told do you have guns in the house mm-hmm Hey John, why don't we take a look at the list of people who have been so nice to support this program since actually I had a couple things before we get to the donations. I wanted to... We'll add one more ad that we can run too just to... Oh let's do one more ad and then we'll get to the supports. This is kind of an ad that I've seen it a couple times and I always forget what it's about until they get to the end.

59:03 But I think it brings up a new meme. You know how we talk about big pharma and big organic, which would be Whole Earth Foods. And so now you just drop the word big in front of something and that makes it evil. Play the Black Widow ad. The Black Widow spider's severe bite can cause coma and even death. The African black mamba can kill a man with one bite. But there's an even deadlier predator. Cigarettes. Produced by Big Tobacco. Which take a life every 6.5 seconds. Don't be Big Tobacco's next victim. Who produced this? Is this the ad council?

CHAPTER 14 / 29 Discussion

Big Tobacco, New York City Outdoor Smoking Ban

A "Big Tobacco" public service announcement prompts a discussion on New York City's plan to ban outdoor smoking and encourage citizens to report violators. The hosts argue that these bans are a precursor to further restrictions on alcohol and vitamins, while the government simultaneously promotes pharmaceutical drugs. They also mention the FDA's crackdown on e-cigarettes.

big tobacco· new york city· smoking ban· fda· e-cigarettes

58:09 Tendencies. So, well I'm calling him on Tuesday. I want to find out how that meeting went. But I told him, I said be very careful because the next thing you know, they're gonna say, do you have guns in the house? You watch! You watch, they're gonna ask these questions. It's nuts. It's not yeah, no they asked this all that they asked this when you have when your kid is born in the hospital They have a whole list of questions, and you know you're like you're Katie. You just had a kid you know so you're like I'll answer any question, but that's on that's on the list of questions I've been told do you have guns in the house mm-hmm Hey John, why don't we take a look at the list of people who have been so nice to support this program since actually I had a couple things before we get to the donations. I wanted to... We'll add one more ad that we can run too just to... Oh let's do one more ad and then we'll get to the supports. This is kind of an ad that I've seen it a couple times and I always forget what it's about until they get to the end.

59:03 But I think it brings up a new meme. You know how we talk about big pharma and big organic, which would be Whole Earth Foods. And so now you just drop the word big in front of something and that makes it evil. Play the Black Widow ad. The Black Widow spider's severe bite can cause coma and even death. The African black mamba can kill a man with one bite. But there's an even deadlier predator. Cigarettes. Produced by Big Tobacco. Which take a life every 6.5 seconds. Don't be Big Tobacco's next victim. Who produced this? Is this the ad council?

59:57 uh... you know that i can think of what was it was said a little mention the bottom so so i want to terrible and what is a couple of uh... couple things come out along with big tobacco mean uh... so new york city is going to ban smoking outdoors and and it gets better uh... they're now testing the or i i guess throwing up trial balloons according to the new york times they want uh... fellow citizens to report you And this is all fine, okay? And thank you for bringing this up because that's why I said I'm still allowed to smoke here in the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center. But they are going to ban smoking in New York City. Which is the air in New York City is great. Like the smoking on the street is gonna hurt you, Annie. But now they're gonna have your fellow citizens, your fellow slaves report on you

1:00:53 And this is all fine and dandy and you can all say, oh that's great you stupid smokers, you're killing yourself, you're killing me. Your alcohol is next and your vitamins are next and everything they're gonna take it all away from you, you stupid slave. But what are you gonna be taking? You're gonna be taking Abilify, you're gonna be taking Ceroqual and all this groovy stuff. That's what's gonna be shoved down your throat and it starts with the kids at six years old. So go ahead and laugh and like, oh good potato. We're taking away your smoke, you stupid smokers. You're killing yourself, killing everybody else. But they're coming for you next. And there'll be no one left to defend you. Stupid slaves.

1:01:30 I got the biggest kick watching a talk show up a few months ago with Jessica Simpson. Yeah. She came on and she says she was never a smoker but somebody turned her onto these nicotine patches. Yeah, without even being a smoker. Yeah, and she says it's great. She's just wasted on these patches. And meanwhile you've got the e-cigarette which there's like six manufacturers now banned by the FDA. Uh, you know, because, oh, it's dispensing nicotine, you know, it's a drug, eh? We gotta regulate that! You can't have that slave! You gotta smoke! Yeah, it's gone. We're gone crazy. I'm going crazy. Next thing you know, it's boxcars to Auschwitz. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not even laughing about that because it's we're really getting there, but it's okay. Go ahead and laugh and just make your jokes about people smoking cigarettes because they're coming for you. Whatever it is you like, it's except for the aspartame gum. Chew on that.

CHAPTER 15 / 29 Discussion

The Number 42, Douglas Adams Scientific Constant

The hosts discuss a report from Cambridge astronomers suggesting that the number 42—famously cited by Douglas Adams as the answer to life, the universe, and everything—is actually an essential scientific constant for determining the age of the universe. This leads to a discussion on the "super karma" of $42 donations.

douglas adams· 42· cambridge astronomers· hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

1:02:29 have lots of aspartame gum that's really good for you. With aspartame seeping down your esophagus into the pit of your stomach burning away giving you cancer. Through the week there was a lots of anti-alcohol memes all over the news and in fact it even shows up in that drug survey which we will talk about after we go through the... I had something about the demon drink. Yeah we'll do it after. Yeah it's too long. Okay so I did want to say Before we get into it, you know, we have this 101010 donation drive that that we're on and And of course 101010 is binary for 42 and according to the hitchhiker's guide to the universe 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything What shows up in the Daily Mail and this this really blew me. I'm sorry the the independent Yes, the answer to the universe really is 42

1:03:30 Cambridge astronomers have found that 42 is the value of an essential scientific constant, one which determines the age of the universe. And there's this whole article about how they're really corroborating something that Douglas Adams made up. He says, so he says, we can't check it with him anymore. He may have been given the information by someone. But the scientists are now actually saying yes, 42 really is a really is an important number in the universe. Yeah, well there you go. That's why we're getting $42 donation. For super karma, absolutely. Okay, who do we need to thank? John Reynolds in the Soviet Republic of Berkeley, California. 94-42.

CHAPTER 16 / 29 Discussion

Birthday Shout-outs, Listener De-douching

The hosts process a series of birthday requests and "de-douching" donations. Notable mentions include Paul Schlager of thequakewatcher.com and Keith Johnson, who donated to ensure he didn't marry his fiancé as a "douchebag." They also address a "make good" for a listener named Chris whose PayPal message was previously lost.

john reynolds· rafael schlager· keith johnson· quake watcher· birthday

1:04:17 He's gonna give it a do it. We have a birthday call out and and he needs a de-douching John does okay You've been de-douched Good to go hey by the way people people when you when you see me on the street Please don't ask me for a de-douching in person. I just can't I can't be doing that for you Sorry just on a side note Okay, next. Then we got Keith Johnson and of course I closed my my Your spreadsheet sir cuz he's got a note that he sent me so let me get back. Who was it Keith? Yeah, but it's a dead note is him sent to me from D R a L dot KJ. I have hi John Adam. Please credit me as There you go, okay You got it. No wait a minute. That's the next person no I don't

1:05:16 I don't have the note, but but don't don't say the next name because it's supposed to be credited as someone else read the note I next name well Vienna Vienna, Austria John and Adam, please credit me as a rafael Schlager shag girl yeah, that's what I said. Yeah says nobody calls me Ulrich This haiku donation 575 give us 5750 I would like to get my father Paul Shaw girl a birthday shout out. We'll do that. Well, how come that's not on the list Eric Eric missed it. He's turning 64 in September 19th I would be forever grateful if the no agenda listeners could leave him a couple of nice birthday wishes in the comments on his blog at the quake watcher.com Hey Quake watcher. This is something you should be a colleague

1:06:06 He's a quake guy. It guys rock quake watch calm. Okay, I would do a birthday thing in a second Ricky Pierce Sydney, New South Wales $50 a night hood thing and Laurie Corp. He's still hanging in there from Helsinki Jeffrey Smith Alpena, Michigan, $50, no agenda and proof of good karma. John and Adam, I recently donated $42 for 101010, thanks for the birthday mention on the show. I'll be 35 and then signed up for the $5 a month plan a couple days later. I had done some computer work for a friend who thanked me by paying me extra for the job. There's the karma. There's the karma at work. Extra cash to keep up the good karma flowing.

1:06:43 alan richie moreno valley california fifty-dollar one-time donations got richie sorry for the small amount but i am poor and let me make me remind people that there no you're not poor poor is a state of mind broke is a situation you're broke not forever thanks that's uh... some wise words as we are yet to come from uh... george hamilton the third uh... overly yeah that's where i got that Alright, John Reynolds says happy birthday to his brother Henry Joanne Thompson.

1:07:23 is making a happy birthday and a... DOOCHBAG! call out to her son, John Thompson. Well, we encourage calling members of your family, particularly your spawn, doochbags. And Raphael Shegurl, who no one calls Uruk anymore, wants to say happy birthday to his dad, Paul Shegurl. A birthday shout-out from your friends here at Noah Jenga. And did we do Chris? Did we do Chris? We have to do Chris. You didn't do Chris, did ya? No, do Chris. Okay, so Chris, this is a make good. He gave $55.10 a few shows ago but his PayPal message got dropped. I want to let you know about my site supportnoagenda.com where you can get to a bunch of ways to support the show. Great! Also, Steve in Detroit is still a douchebag. I've heard about Steve in Detroit. Total douche. Yeah, I have too. So here's the note from our friend Keith Johnson. Hi John and Adam. After my fiancé Elizabeth Solieri

1:08:22 A friend of Mozart's made a donation last week. I had to make one myself. I can't let her marry a douchebag, as I have never donated. So here's my donation to de-douche me. You've been de-douched. Also to say that as a man I'm normally wrong with the other fairer sex, but today I get to be correct. Sorry baby, the wedding is in the morning on December 23rd, 2012, not 2011. In the morning! Yeah baby! and also if we get the end of the world discount for the wedding john and adam in honor of the nord general of connection will both be getting a check in the mail to rebuild after the mothership comes back to repopulate will serve that plan out there for people out there thirty three dollars and thirty three cents okay you know john that thanks for getting me in trouble i didn't even pronounce it lisa's name right i'm not very guessing misspelled or something fifty dollar donation at ten dollars and ten cents for the good karma blah blah blah keith johnson put capsie

1:09:24 He says, yes I love you sweetheart, you make me a happy buzzkill. So I guess that's to you Adam. Hey man, did Eric have any riddling when he was a kid? No. Eric the shill? He's really... We never gave him any drugs whatsoever. You should have. He's so testy man, when I say that he missed something. Well he's big, he's a big guy. He's like 6'4 and he's big. He's a big guy. He could sit on my head. Genetically he's in that same bigness as... I mean he looks like a viking. He's a bigfoot. We think because he was raised during that era where people were pumping in so much... He's a Sasquatch. ...growth hormone into the beef.

CHAPTER 17 / 29 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony, Sir Paul Couture and Sir Rory Stone

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak perform a formal knighting ceremony for Lucas Hawkinson, Jeffrey Yang, and Rory Stone for their significant financial contributions. They specifically praise Sir Paul Couture for his work on the No Agenda challenge coins and the "Lord of the Rings" ring project.

knighting· sir lucas hawkinson· sir jeffrey yang· sir paul couture· sir rory stone

1:10:02 And he loved eating beef. He's a beef eater. That's why he's so many tall women in his age group. He is, he's so testy man. He's like sue me! Sue me! Like it's, breathe my second hand smoke. Alright. Hey John, it's time to draw him out. You got yours? Yep here it is. Alright let's see we have... Lucas Hawkinson, step forward please. Lucas, it's taking you a couple weeks, a couple months actually, but you've made it, which means soon a beautiful hit him in the mouth in the morning ring will be dawning your finger. But first you need to kneel as we hereby knight thee, Sir Lucas Hawkinson, knight of the No Agenda Round Table.

1:10:55 And we've got a couple more, John. This is really good. Yeah, it's a big three. It surely is great. Jeffrey Yang, step forward please. John, I need your sword. There you go. Jeffrey, your support of at least $1,000 to the No Agenda Show is highly appreciated. It's not just appreciated, but it puts you in a very exclusive club which is forever growing and can be found at noagendanation.com, the map that shows all the donations. Your location now marked by a knight helmet. because we pronounce thee Sir Jeffrey Yang, Knight of the Noah Jenner Round Table. Please enjoy our hookers and blow.

1:11:35 And then finally, he's been tweeting about it, he's been... he's very, very excited. I know he is. And even if the ring didn't even exist, which it hasn't until Sir Paul Couture arrived on the scene. Our hero. Our hero, Lord of the Rings. Your hero, because this was your responsibility. You've outsourced it. Well, it worked. You've outsourced it. Rory Stone, step forward! Rory! Ah, looking good Rory. In fact I'm gonna pull out the really big sword for you today my friend. Rory Stone, you've been very excited about this and we've done all the work. Eric actually tried to block your knighthood today but I jumped in and saved ya. And we tally it all up and it does indeed equal a thousand dollars. You are hereby knighted Sir Rory Stone, Knight! ...round table! An extra hooker and blow for you.

CHAPTER 18 / 29 Discussion

Cranky Geeks Cancellation, Ad Agency Metrics Failure

John C. Dvorak announces the end of his show "Cranky Geeks," explaining that the half-hour format is no longer viable for traditional ad agencies. He criticizes agencies for only wanting to buy 15-second pre-roll ads and lacking the metrics to value longer-form content. The hosts contrast this failure with the success of the No Agenda value-for-value model.

cranky geeks· ziff davis· pre-roll ads· advertising metrics· iptv

1:12:34 So We do not take any money any commercials no commercial form of support whatsoever for this program Quite frankly we wouldn't have made it past Episode two if we had done that Because you know, how can you talk about the things that we talk about? and and it's and it's not just The financial support that is also the production support because everyone who's a listener is a producer. That's why we always have our execs and associate executive producers. And we need all the help we can get. We use your money, your support to pay bills. I'm unemployed. John, I believe as of next week you're unemployed.

1:13:14 I don't... is that right? That's what you heard? What did you hear? What did you hear, man? What? You heard what? What did you hear, man? I don't know. I heard your show was off the air. Oh, Cranky Geeks is dead. Yeah, you want to say why? Well, it's because these two companies couldn't come to any agreements. And you know, the funny thing is from the beginning, I talk about this on the show running Wednesday, the final Cranky Geeks runs on Wednesday. You can listen to it. It's going to be streamed live too, although it's already in the can. It's already pre-taped, right? But we talk about some of these issues, but the thing is that until we get to a real IPTV situation where a half hour show is viable and gets picked up by national advertisers,

1:13:52 all these companies want and I include MeVeo and Ziff and all the rest of them, all of them, all they really, really want to deal with are the five minute, two minute, three minute commercials where they can have a pre-roll at the beginning of the show. I saw this coming years ago because I listened to all these ad tech lectures and all these advertising agencies. It's beyond them to do any work whatsoever. They just want to line up a bunch of little pre-roll opportunities and then run pre-roll, pre-roll, pre-roll, pre-roll, two minutes, pre-roll, two minutes, pre-roll, two minutes, pre-roll. so they can run all these millions of little ads as 15 second pre-rolls and they don't want to deal with a half hour show. We don't know if anyone's watching more than one minute of this show. We can't assume people even watch the show. All we know is a pre-roll, we know they see that. That's what they say. You know, I've met a lot of ad executives in my life, sucked a lot of them off. That is exactly the voice they have.

1:14:46 Yeah, yeah do it again. That's really good. This is really good. Yeah. I'll be an exec Hey, we've got this really great show called cranky geeks and at home How long is it? We'd like to sell you some sponsor. It's a half hour. It's got great punch. No no no we got great pundits on it. Yeah, we don't there's no way of monetizing a show like that. We can't guarantee There's no metrics for anything past the minute. We can't tell if somebody's watching it Downloads don't count downloads don't count we can't prove anybody's even watching that now they download and don't watch That's what we think can I write you up for an order for some pre-rolls?

1:15:26 So anyway, so that's basically the problem. I mean, I know you're letting me the whole thing. You know, I was blowing you during that whole pitch, right? It worked. I got the order. I'm a good advertising guy. My dick is numb from all the blow jobs I get. That's the start of the show, everybody. Let me just mark the moment that that occurred. That is perfect. Yes. Okay. Anyway, with these clowns, because we don't have to deal with these clowns because we use the public as you know the public pays for the show the show goes on as long as the public and if the show sucks we get we don't get paid I like the system it really works well and then we have a lot of supporters we have a lot of really good support we have patrons we have people have given you know thousands and thousands I mean we had there's about

CHAPTER 19 / 29 Discussion

Open Source Media, No Agenda Trademark Policy

The hosts reiterate that No Agenda is a completely open-source project. They encourage listeners to copy the show, broadcast it on pirate radio, or create their own websites using the name, as they have intentionally avoided trademarking the brand. They argue this decentralized approach is more powerful than the traditional corporate or PBS models.

open source· public domain· trademark· value-for-value· pbs

1:16:10 ten people that have given us plenty of you know a lot of money their their their patrons essentially is the same way that pbs used to be yes used to do they got you know they figured out that they can scam everybody and uh... i don't know yes so the vorac dot org slash n a which is a really catchy website That URL is really catchy because you remember it. You can't even spell it. Most people are like, Devorak.org slash NA. You can also go to the noagendashow.com and link from there. Yeah, that's another way to do it. Or you go to channeldevorak.com slash NA and you can get to the

1:16:51 to our new and improved donations. Paul would consider well, I don't want to say I don't want to get you know I just don't want to mess with the guys program It's great because that's how we do it You want to copy the show copy the show you want to broadcast it on your local FM radio Go ahead. You want to put it on serious satellite serious. Go ahead. Go ahead put it on serious FM We won't charge you a thing. You have pirate radio? We have a couple pirate stations that broadcast the show. Go ahead. Broadcast. You put it on your shortwave. Put it on your ham radio. It's open source. Please, please. You want to create a website? Do it. You want to sell stuff? I had somebody the other day saying, well, you have it cut. That's a good name. No agenda like it. It's kind of nihilistic. It has all kinds of secondary means. You have it trademarked. Yeah, trademarked. I said, no, we're open source. If somebody wants to steal the name, good luck. Yeah.

1:17:53 Go and get it go do a Google search for no agenda you'll see all of the great websites that are our producers have made and With varying success, you know with varying success, but you know and and people pass on some cash to us And the great thing is it's great because we don't have to do anything because we're lazy and we're more useless The only thing we do is the show and oh, yeah, we watch C-SPAN and then we do this Don't have to C-Span I'm gonna show myself old by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. On No Agenda, in the morning. Hey, even the Beatles are doing it. It's not even a matter of being lazy, it's a matter of that we can leverage. Incompetent. Well, maybe that, but we can leverage. Think of the rings.

1:18:50 Much better with by just being open source. I mean, this is one of the no one has done this by the way We're the originators of this concept. That's right completely open source the show so you can use the name You can steal the show you can put it on your own blog. You can run it on a pirate station We don't you know, it's it's it's public domain. Essentially. Everything we do is public domain Just leave the the pitch for the donations in there. That's all that's all just we'd like that because that gives us the opportunity to keep the show going and one day PBS and NPR gonna wake up and they go what how did those guys do that? How those two idiots? Stupid why they don't even have their name trademark. They don't know what trademark they're idiots. They're stupid. I can't believe it money away. Yeah, they're leaving money on the table And by the way, feel free to make money off of us too. That's great. I love it. Anyway, John so, um, you know, we've had all these UFO sightings recently

CHAPTER 20 / 29 Discussion

UFO Disclosure, Stanley Fulham and Skyline Movie

Retired NORAD officer Stanley A. Fulham predicts a massive worldwide UFO display on October 13, 2010, in his book "Challenges of Change." The hosts link this prediction to the upcoming alien invasion movie "Skyline," which features Dan Rather. They suggest the "alien reality" is being ramped up in the media, possibly involving Stephen Hawking's recent comments on extraterrestrial life.

ufo· norad· stanley fulham· skyline· stephen hawking

1:19:50 A lot of them actually. Of course, the most famous one is the UFO that shut down the Thailand airport. Which is just great! Because obviously they're around us. There's no way that the extraterrestrials aren't in the hood, as it were. But I think that they're ramping up for something. As we now have a retired NORAD officer Who has released a new book and this is from so we know what Norad is that's the American whatever yeah early warning defense radar of the thing it's called challenges of change

1:20:31 this book reports that there will be an initial interaction in a process leading to mankind's acceptance of the alien reality and technologies for the removal of poisonous gases from the earth's atmosphere in 2015 if not sooner and he is predicting there will be a worldwide UFO display on October 13th 2010 you know that I will be looking towards gonna be like that mothership that was gonna land in Brazil it wasn't in Brazil yeah actually it was in Brazil So you know me, I will be out on the deck here at the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center, tracing the skies. It'll be hard to see through all the chemtrails. This is coming up soon. These guys are risking a lot. You know, I recommend to people who are going to dream crap like this up that they push it out a little bit. That way they can get a book out at least and get some money. So this guy's got a book out. That's what I just said. This is a 352 page book by retired Air Force officer Stanley A. Fulham.

1:21:27 predicts October 13th as the date for a massive UFO display over the world's principal cities and And so is it named the cities? Let me see principal cities, you know, New York, LA Hong Kong London, you know kind of like Independence Day except these will be the good kind and but Before you say it because what do we normally say when this type of activity heats up? I don't know. What do we normally say? Do you normally say? Says bullcrap After you say bullcrap Usually there's a movie associated with this type of activity. There's always a movie. I'm waiting for the movie about the bed bugs Well, listen to this one. You'll like this new movie called skyline. I didn't have time to pull a clip So I'm actually running it off of the YouTube's here we go It's this is a preview by the way has been approved for appropriate audiences by the MPA. I

1:22:28 It's not gonna make it. It's not enough. It hasn't loaded enough, I don't think. It says, on August 20th, 2009, NASA sent a message into space farther than we ever thought possible. In an effort to reach extraterrestrial life. I'm stalling a little bit because the YouTube videos are really loading slowly. Oh, it's because people are demanding to see it. Yeah. Oh, I love the... The drama of it. Stephen Hawking, astrophysicist and arguably one of the smartest people on the planet. I love this. So what they've done, as I try to fill up some more space while it loads, is they've taken all of the real life stuff, because of course Stephen Hawking has just come out, coincidentally, you don't think he's involved in it, and he said, God couldn't have created the earth, are you nuts?

1:23:21 God could not have created the earth. Are you crazy? That is impossible. There must be aliens. And then look who pops up on the radar. It's our old friend, the hard-nosed journalist. Warned us about the possibility of aliens from outer space. Hawking says that if extraterrestrials visit us, the outcome might be similar to when Columbus landed in America. That's Dan Rather. Dan Rather's in the movie. He's such a hard-nosed reporter. He has no qualms whatsoever about going into this movie with his bull crap. Yeah, he needs the money. In other words, it didn't turn out too well for Native Americans. This is probably slated for Thanksgiving, isn't it?

1:24:07 No, release date November 2nd. So that's... well it could... it'll probably be the big Thanksgiving Day weekend which is... Oh, and they're shooting on us! Maybe we should have listened, it says. Oh no! They're blowing... Oh no! Where's Bruce Willis? It's just Armageddon. Anyway, you can watch the entire trailer. NoAgendaShowNotes.com I know agenda show.com. I'm sorry. There's also an ocean sounds like a piece of crap So regardless I I remain faithful and I would just make a small suggestion Just a very small one. We have our $33 and 33 cent a month boarding pass to the mothership I'm just saying October 13th. The mothership could show up. We only have a thousand seats many of those already taken It's up to you

CHAPTER 21 / 29 Discussion

Global Climate Disruption, High Fructose Corn Syrup Rebranding

The White House science advisor, John Holdren, urges a shift in terminology from "global warming" to "global climate disruption." Simultaneously, the corn industry is attempting to rebrand high fructose corn syrup as "corn sugar." The hosts view these as linguistic maneuvers to hide the negative effects of products and policies.

global climate disruption· john holdren· high fructose corn syrup· corn sugar· aspartame

1:25:06 I'm not forcing you, but I'm on board. So if they're taking people away, I'm waving to you Johnny boy. I'm staying behind. See ya. Wouldn't want to be ya. They're just going to take you up there and eviscerate you. That's the word of the day. A couple of eviscerate, yes that is the word of the day. No agenda word of the day. There's a website for that too. So a couple of things that we haven't really touched on in the show, which I think we do need to mention as First of all, it's all Ministry of Truth stuff since you know We know that aspartame changed or is them in the process of rebranding because whenever the you know, it gets too hot Around these type of products and people are catching on to the evilness of what these products do they just rebrand and they call in their friends Hill and Nolton and

1:25:59 So the high fructose corn syrup, now known as corn sugar? Yeah. Which is a two-step process by the way. What they're going to do is they're going to first rename high fructose corn syrup as corn sugar. and then they're gonna change then they're gonna have this they've done this they've the i've seen this happen so many times then they've been the corn industry's gonna go and say why do we have to put corn sugar when the guys who make cane sugar don't have to put cane sugar they just put sugar and they're both the same thing why can't we just put sugar and then the fda or ever since they are ok ok issues sugar that's right all say sugar now

1:26:39 right that's what it's gonna end up being is gonna be corn sugar for about a year then it's gonna be just sugar you please write that down in sugar guys are gonna put cane sugar could you put that down in the prediction book you have it there the little book of john's this is the book we need to publish john prediction book prediction book what is the prediction book i can't remember the prediction book while you're looking for the prediction book um... we have another rebranding first it was uh... Global warming. Then it was climate change. And of course neither of those have worked very well because we scoff at their bull crap and their lies and their scientific fudging. So now it's going to be called global climate disruption. Which I think is actually the correct term since you know I'm a strong believer in the use of weather modification systems.

1:27:45 And I think that is the only correct term and they should have started that from starting out of the gate. It's global climate disruption. This is the... White House science advisor John Holdren urged people to start using the phrase during a speech last week in Oslo, echoing a plea he made a couple years earlier. He said global warming is a dangerous misnomer for a problem far more complicated than a rise in temperature. This is this guy this White House science advisor John Holdren looked like a douchebag It looks like it yeah, I agree He should write for The Washington Times and look at that mouth you have that you're looking at the Fox News article Yeah, he's his mouth all puckered up. I'm ready for you. You can slide it in now scientist yours people start using the phrase global warming climate disruption

1:28:43 That's a bit too much of a mouthful. They can call it GCD. Oh, that'll be good. We can do that. I like it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I think it's right. So I ran into this guy. Before let me just finish. What, John Holdren? You ran into him? No. Okay. So global climate disruption. I think it's correct. Right on the heels of because you know that that can mean anything right including earthquakes. So right on the heels of the big exercise they had, now it's propagating through the mainstream media in Gitmo Nation East, Quake Britain! UK overdue for a massive tremor that could kill scores of people at any moment!

CHAPTER 22 / 29 Discussion

Earthquake and Tsunami Warnings, Quake Britain

Media outlets in the UK and Seattle are issuing dire warnings about overdue earthquakes and tsunamis. The British Geological Survey warns of a fracture beneath the English Channel, while the Seattle Times reports on the region's lack of preparation. The hosts suggest these reports are designed to keep the public in a state of fear.

earthquake· tsunami· british geological survey· seattle times· london

1:29:29 I think we did this on the last show. No, we, we, this is new though. So the first they had the exercise, now they're coming out with the articles. You see? This is what, so now they're saying, now they're going in depth. Dr. Roger Mewson of the British Geological Survey believes a fracture in the Earth's crust beneath the English Channel could slip at any time, John, sending a tremor rippling across the southeast. That's right. You could all die! The BBC! Now the BBC! The Beeb! Auntie! The BBC! Reporting quakes are an issue for London! That's right! And just so you don't feel left out, Seattle Times. That's up where your loved ones live. West Coast remains ill-prepared for tsunami. Oh yeah.

1:30:25 Oh yeah. That's bullcrap by the way. You drive along the Olympic Peninsula along any one of those roads and you'll see signs all over the place. Tsunami route this way. They've never had a tsunami in recent memory but there's signs everywhere about where to go if there's a tsunami and everybody talks about- Oh yeah? Oh yeah? This is a scientific report John. Oregon State University civil engineering professor Harry Yeh. Yeh. Y-E-H. Yeh. Served on the review committee, and that's not true John you were not prepared for a tsunami shut up slave You're not prepared. That's the science so don't tell me that you think there's signs and everything you're not prepared up there You're gonna die and by the way. That's all anyone talks about what yeah if it comes down this way And it's gonna go take a right turn in Port Townsend. It's gonna take out the paper mill Jones's farm

1:31:26 Basically is what they talk about constantly. Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen. You're gonna get a good enough warning to get the kids up the hill. I'm so happy I'm up here in the Hollywood Hills. 832 feet. Yeah, it's great up here, man. It's gonna be a thousand foot tsunami to take you out. That's right. It ain't gonna happen. I'll be up here laughing away. You're also way deep inland. You can't even see the water from there, can you? No, there's too much secondhand cigarette smoke. can't see it from here. Oh my goodness and I have a question for you. I read this and I wrote it down and I hope the translation, it was very confusing me. While we were in Gitmo Nation lowlands I saw a small article in the Ministry of Truth newspaper the Telegraph about you know the the whole salt meme. Like salt is killing people and now you should reduce our salt diet, less salt in your diet and for some reason

CHAPTER 23 / 29 Discussion

Calium Salt, Potential New Food Additive Meme

The hosts investigate a mention of "Calium salt" in the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf. They suspect it may be a rebranding of potassium chloride, intended to replace traditional salt in the same way aspartame replaced sugar. They issue an "All Producers Bulletin" to watch for the emergence of this new food additive meme.

calium· potassium chloride· salt· telegraaf· food additives

1:32:27 They said the good salt is what you should be eating and I'm like whoa ding ding ding hello the good salt and they mentioned Callium what? Callium salt have you ever heard of Callium C-a-l-l-i-u-m Callium Well, for one thing, you have to note that when we had our deli, we had like all these selections of salt. I still use some of them. The best salt, by the way, for people out there interested in the gourmet part of our show is something called... I can't remember. So anyway... What a great setup! Hold on a second. In the morning! Hey, when you remember, send everyone an email. Flor de Sel is the best salt you can get, which is from France typically, but there's a smoked version.

1:33:13 called fumé de sel from France. Not the smoked salts from the US, but the smoked salt from France is extremely delicious. There's all kinds of salts and there's also a black salt that I grind up with a mortar and pestle once in a while. You grind it up in your witch's brew. So calcium, which is a I can't even find it online, I get calcium. No, no, you have to specify calium because Google actually steers you away from calium and gives you calcium results which blew me away. Because that's exactly what I went through. I Google for calium and normally it says were you searching for calcium? In this particular instance, you can try this at home, it automatically gives you the results for calcium.

1:34:01 Yeah, I'm looking at the calium stuff now. Calium side effects. But what is it? Calium is a salt apparently. Calium salt. What is it? I don't know, but this is why I was like, whoa, hold on a second. We've been waiting for the aspartame of salt to show up and now it's calium salt. And just like an offhand little box on the bottom of the page five of the newspaper. Calium chloride. Don't say it. No F-bombing. Calium. Calium. Calium chloride. Classification device, solid and liquid, calium... Where's my Merck? Oh, darn it, I had my Merck index, would have it in there and I don't have it handy. I made a big deal by getting one. Yeah, thanks for that. Okay, well you got me off guard here, we don't have agendas. Let's see. Rose Maritha is one, leading of herbs, raw material, Indonesia, export of herbs and spices,

1:35:00 I'm trying I mean if you go on the Google page I get calium salt manufacturers buyers and suppliers Let's see this is Here we go category Magnet, it's not helping me either. I know Eric sent me calcium. So it's not calcium. It's Cali Calium and there is calium listed here's Calium salt here. They have it as magnesium chloride this could be a Apparently this is a natural occurrence in apples magnesium chloride See when you do calium salt Google says showing results for calcium salt. Why does Google do that? I don't like that Let's see maybe because they don't have enough entries, but well, I'm getting entries calium slowly rising What is this here we go? I've got I've got a link here on the second page This is a real-time folks and what do I get the reef tank and I get like a

1:36:12 Jeez. Hey guys, I did what everyone said, which is to get the bionic two-part stuff that's working. What? Here it is. 2-methyl-2-oxovaleric acid calcium, keto leucine calcium salt. This is like made by good material and subtle technology, enjoys a high reputation amongst our customers. This is some chemical witches brew. Yeah, well that's what aspartame is. This is my entire point. How is this anything good for you? Oh, according to Mr. Oil, it's potassium. He has the merc right here. So he has the merc entry. Mr. Oil, I'm gonna send this to you. Hold on a second. So potassium, if they're talking about potassium chloride, this stuff is actually deadly. Well, then it would make sense, wouldn't it?

1:37:04 But I mean you need a little potassium in your system. And there are salts that are like half sodium chloride, half potassium chloride. But the fact of the matter is... U.S. brand names K-Tab. Oh, I like that. Hey man, pass the K-Tab. Micro K, Chlor-Con. See Eric sent me things this stuff is being made in China. Yeah, of course yeah, yeah, I said some those that toothpaste over to and let's kill our kids Anyway, so so be on the lookout at producers. This is a an APB all producers bulletin be on the lookout for a meme of Cali and salts be on the lookout We've been waiting for this to show up

1:37:49 And this may be the early beginnings. This is better than watching for looking out for UFOs because this stuff is real. This is real. This is absolutely real. This is so off the wall. It's ridiculous. Now wait a minute, let's go back to the original article. Who wrote this article dropping this bomb? It was in the Dutch newspaper in the Telegraaf. Maybe I can still Google it and find it. Hold on a second. If I do, what do I do? Sight? Like you said, the Dutch are the early warning system for this stuff. Yes! Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I'm going to do Calium. Here's the Merck entry that you sent me. Yeah, that's from Mr. Oil. The news behind the news... Oh, here it is! Here it is! I got it! I got it! I think I found it. This is 31st of... No, this is from 2009. This is... This Merck entry never mentions Calium. This is just an entry for Potassium Chloride.

1:38:48 Here it says, vegetables and fruit are rich in calium salt like melons and oranges. These are good, this is the good salt, calium. Okay, well we'll just keep your eye on it. We'll finish this off next week. This is bull crap. How do you really feel about it though, John? How does this suddenly appear out of the blue unless somebody's got something to sell? Yeah, nothing is suddenly out of the blue ever.

CHAPTER 24 / 29 Discussion

3M Acquisitions, Remote People Tracking Technology

3M has acquired Atenti, a company specializing in "Remote People Tracking" for judicial and geriatric care. The hosts connect this to 3M's other recent acquisition of a fingerprint ID company, suggesting a move toward universal RFID and GPS tracking. They joke that Lindsay Lohan may soon be wearing a 3M tracking bracelet instead of going to jail.

3m· atenti· remote people tracking· rfid· lindsay lohan

1:39:23 Ever. So a couple of notes about the Gitmo Nation Jewelry that we've been following. The 3M Corporation, which I might add is not only huge, but of course also participating in killing Jews. Correct? 3M? Yeah. I don't know that. If not, then they did now. They have acquired the Tel Aviv-based Atenti, a remote people tracking technology provider, This is, that's an acronym, RPT, Remote People Tracking Technology Provider. ATENTI, formerly known as DMATEC, provide solutions to track 50,000 individuals daily around the world in geriatric and judicial care segments. This is beautiful. That is poetry right there. The acquisition, which follows 3M's purchase of fingerprint ID company Cognit Inc., which they acquired on Monday,

1:40:26 Gives 3m access to RFID and GPS technology. So I would say I thought this company just made scotch tape Yeah, you should Google 3m. You know, I think it's 3m Nazis. Let's try that 3m Nazis. I'm pretty sure they I'm pretty sure maybe I maybe I'm wrong. I apologize if I'm wrong I thought that through that originally 3m had something to do. No, I don't think so. I think you're just a 3M bigot. But anyway, these are interesting acquisitions in two weeks.

1:41:09 remote people tracking technology for judicial and geriatric care segments and then you know but a week before fingerprint ID company Cognent which by the way for almost a billion dollars so now they've got RFID GPS technology currently location-based services have gained spotlight because of Google and Facebook's launch of products and features around these technologies yay it's all coming together very slowly and so here get the prediction book Lindsay Lohan failed her drug test John in just a little bit of uh... And now back to real news. So she failed her drug test. I'm taking bets now that she will not go to jail. She will be wearing a 3M Gitmo Nation bracelet. Because that's where this is all headed. Are you googling Lindsay Lohan or what are you doing? Uh, no I'm good, no. Go on. So I just want to say that's uh...

1:42:12 That's on the horizon. So my son JC says that calium is a Latin word for potassium. That's spelled with a K and that's why K is the chemical symbol for potassium. But this is spelled with a C. Well no, no, no, actually this is interesting you say that. In the Dutch report it's spelled with a K but in Dutch most C words are spelled with a K. So we actually... Okay, so that, that come, so it probably is potassium chloride then. Which is dangerous. Well in high, yeah, if you have too much, you can't, you overload your potassium. Right, so this is, so there you go, case in point, this is then the, this is

CHAPTER 25 / 29 Discussion

French Tax Hikes, Anti-Muslim Media Narratives

A socialist mayor in France reportedly increased local taxes by over 3,000% to force a landowner to sell. The hosts also discuss the "mosque in a box" invention and argue that the prevailing anti-Muslim sentiment in the media is a manufactured narrative designed to keep the population fearful and distracted.

france· mosque in a box· anti-muslim· fear mongering· taxes

1:42:58 the aspartame of salt. Well now this is naturally found in like natural salts I mean like you know sea salt. Right but they're gonna manufacture it and it's gonna be potassium chloride. We're gonna have too much potassium in our system. Yeah it's gonna kill you. Keep your eye on it. Keep your eye on it. Yeah we have to watch this. It's not good for you. In fact especially if you get older lots too much potassium is dangerous. Hi guys says Tristan from Gitmo Nation Stinky Cheese. That's France. We have one guy in France. This news could be of interest to you. The socialist... That's Fabrice? No, Tristan. Oh, see we got two. We got two guys. We got two guys. This news could be of interest to you. The socialist mayor of a small French town increased local taxes to around 3,380 percent. The official reason is to force the landowner to sell to construct social buildings. Yay!

1:43:52 I'll move to France. That could happen here. And they're selling the mosque in a box. Did you blog that? The mosque in a box? No, I didn't see the mosque in a box. This imam in Paris created a mosque in a box for the Muslims who want to pray in the busy, you know, it's very busy in Paris, you know, and it's like a fold-out mosque. And you just just unfold it and lay down your little your little rug and yeah, you pray it's it's beautiful There's a link in the show notes. It's I was at the San Francisco Airport recently and I got down on the the basement of the parking garage and there's a guy it's the guy there with his rug out and Praying and you know up and down up and down the whole thing and the thing is I think it was pointed to

1:44:44 the wrong way to anchorage or something I think it was in the wrong direction. I was gonna correct you. Excuse me, excuse me sir. I have my iPhone compass here and hey that's a great app by the way. I bet you'd exist too. Oh no I think it does. It probably does. Yeah it probably does. That whole thing by the way this whole and I think we've deconstructed some of that with different sources from around Gitmo Nation, is this whole anti-Muslim thing, it's bullshit. It's just to scare everybody and to make you think that radical Islamists are going to come and kill you. That's all that this is about, and that's all that it seems to be about on television these days.

1:45:22 No matter what country you're in, oh don't anger the Muslims, they're gonna attack us, they're gonna kill us. It's bull crap. It's not gonna happen. It's just to keep you scared, you stupid slaves. Well what about that poor cartoonist that had to go into hiding? Into hiding, there you go, it's like, you know, the FBI, was it the FBI? Yeah, it was the FBI. Yeah, the FBI said, oh you gotta go into hiding. But they published it in the newspaper, he's going into hiding! Please, please. She's stupid. She is a she? It's stupid! It makes no sense whatsoever. It's just to scare everybody and keep you preoccupied. But why? What's the point?

1:46:07 Well if you keep people scared... What information are they trying to hide from us? No, well they're just... What do you mean what information so they can just go ahead about their business, raping us of our money, of our stuff, of our land, of our rights. That's what it's about. Just be afraid. If you control people's minds that way and you're throwing fluoride in the water and you're doping the kids up, you got a perfect populace. And here's some callium. Hmm. Eat that!

CHAPTER 26 / 29 Discussion

DREAM Act, Military Service for Citizenship

The hosts discuss the DREAM Act, which provides a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who serve in the military. They argue the legislation is a way to recruit "brown people" to fight foreign wars and criticize the vague "good moral character" requirements. They view it as a form of modern enslavement tied to political voting blocs.

dream act· harry reid· orrin hatch· immigration· military service

1:46:52 Have you heard of the DREAM Act? This is another interesting one. Yeah. We should follow that. I only heard about it this morning. The DREAM Act, the way I understand it, is if you are a child of illegal immigrants in the United States, you can get on a path to citizenship, actually a conditional path to citizenship, if you A, FESS up, and then if you serve in two years of military service. Now we need some more soldiers. This was done by Harry Reid out of Nevada to get the Mexican vote in the upcoming November election. He slipped it in. No, no, it's Orrin Hatch. It's not Harry Reid. It's Orrin Hatch and Dick Durbin. I thought it was Harry Reid. No, no, I'm looking at it right here. It's DreamAct.info. Bipartisan legislation. Oh, this is the act itself. Apparently Harry Reid took the act and incorporated it into the defense spending bill.

1:47:51 This is my understanding. Oh, that's possible. I don't know about that. And that's the reason he did that was for the benefit of his Latino voters. Well, this is the thing now. I heard Geraldo on Dennis Miller and he was saying, you know, and it was this morning Colin Powell said the same thing. We will be a minority nation. And and Colin Powell actually I wish I could quote him verbatim. We said but you know our minorities are dumb So we've got to smarten them up and put him in the military Yeah, it's amazing. So take a look at that dream act info which you know, it's all fine and dandy But it's essentially it's enslaving people. No idea. Yeah, just become a slave and oh you happen to be dark-skinned Well, you're pretty you qualify as a slave good. You must have good moral character and

1:48:46 in order to qualify according to dreamact.info and that's a link so let's see what is good moral character? Basic information doesn't actually say good what that doesn't determine oh here it is what is considered good moral character? While the DREAM Act has not outlined specific guidelines of what quote good moral character should be, it can be characterized as being a law-abiding resident of the United States. This list may or may not be as comprehensive, however, it's a good way to gauge one's moral character. For example, some students may have committed minor crimes such as misdemeanors before they turned 18. Those minor incidents may not hinder the application process for conditional permanent residency as much as being convicted of a felony would.

1:49:31 However, since there are no guidelines, we cannot be 100% positive on which crimes would impact one's application. So if you're an illegal immigrant and you've committed a crime, you're good. Come on in. That's fine. Just serve in the military and go kill some other brown people in a foreign land and you're good for us. So on another topic, since I'm falling asleep with this one. Remember the time those two women got busted from the North Korea thing? Yeah, uh, La- Ling-Ling and Lung-Lung and Lulu, yeah. You know they had that patter at the, you know, they go, oh I want to thank you for being back, and they were kind of crying and everything? Yeah. So, Sarah Stone, oh I'm sorry, Sarah, Sarah Shore, yeah.

CHAPTER 27 / 29 Discussion

Sarah Shourd Release, Blackwater and Monsanto Connection

American hiker Sarah Shourd is released from Iranian custody, delivering a polished speech that the hosts find suspiciously professional. They compare her to the journalists previously held in North Korea and suggest she may have intelligence ties. The segment also covers reports that Blackwater (now Xe) provided intelligence services to Monsanto to infiltrate activist groups.

sarah shourd· iran· blackwater· monsanto· total intelligence

1:50:19 the iranian was captured iran with a couple of people was let go and and what she was also hiking or what was she doing is supposedly hiking she looks now and i don't know that they want to do they think i really think they're cia gets trying to sneak into the country which is really all and she gave a statement she gave a press conference and there's two for people to for an amateur that doesn't you know and i don't think anyone to just stand in front of a microphone and casually we'll be a reader press release and sound like they've done it all their lives. I just don't, I don't believe that, right? No. So here she is, she's been released and she makes a statement and I don't know about you but it sounds like these two women from North Korea to me. An American woman tonight is on her way home after spending more than a year captive in Iran. Sarah Short left Oman earlier where she was staying following her release Tuesday. Short is one of three American hikers detained by Iran after they allegedly crossed over the border from Iraq in July of 2009. She regrets having to leave the others behind.

1:51:18 I will always associate your country with the first breath of my freedom, the sweet smell of sandalwood, and the chance to stand by the ocean listening to the waves. I thank the good hospitable people of Oman for your support and ask you to please, please extend your prayers to my fiancé Shane and my friend Josh. Inshallah, they will soon be free.

1:51:54 Well, Iran agreed to release Shord for medical reasons. She reportedly found a lump in her breast while she was in prison. This is crazy. I thought you'd get a kick out of it. This is crazy. Oh, yeah, we have you. We're evil, Iran. We're holding you hostage. Oh, you might have breast cancer. Okay, you can go. Please. That is very weird. What does she do for a living that she's such a great orator? I would think so. Let me see. Sarah Shore CIA. Let me just... Let's see if we got the spook index comes up with her. Wait, no, no, that's not the way we're supposed to do it. We're supposed to do Sarah Shore Monsanto. That's your other theory. Just Sarah Shore Monsanto.

1:52:48 The problem is just the smart money always gives somebody a name like shares. Hello, John? Yeah, you dropped me. Yeah, you dropped it. Well, listen, the name Sarah sure is buried with doctors and lawyers and all kinds of things Yeah, well, I do have Sarah I do have top. He's a hiker. She's apparently the world according to Monsanto the few Let's see. She's there's a link here with her probably 25 Sarah Shores at work there. Yeah, you're right Oh, by the way before I forget This has been emailed to me several times News now has come out that is by the way wait stop it Sarah short sh ourd oh And do you have a hit? I don't know I just found that fine. I found the correction here, but they kid I thought they pronounced her sure the way they do it Documents can I just switch gears for a second sure since we are talking about our friends at

1:53:45 Documents reveal that Blackwater has been busy expanding its corporate reach by providing intelligence services for agencies such as the Canadian military, the Netherlands police and corporations like Monsanto. That's right. Blackwater was doing some black ops for people who are against the agribusiness on behalf of Monsanto. It's a subsidiary called Total Intelligence. They were that's a black water XC XE C services another gitmo rebranding Citing the growing movement to destroy GMO crops Monsanto was hoping to be able to quell dissent through filtering activists infiltrating activist groups that take direct action Those guys are great. They're just fantastic so go ahead well Eric Prince was on

1:54:45 That and that CNBC morning show oh He's an interesting guy to watch so we play it as an end of show clip because about five minutes And it was in July so it was you know like a couple months ago Okay, I gotta get back to this Sarah short thing cuz I just got a little bio okay now remember those two girls Ling Ling and with their other one Lottie la what school did they come from oh? uh... stanford berkeley berkeley outside there was a lot of journalism school berkeley okay this woman she attended uc berkeley where she lived after graduating until moving to damascus she previously taught as part of the iraqi student project a program which is iraq students living in economic hit woman let me on so i can't get she said reflecting her time in syria ethiopia yemen mexico

1:55:35 Yeah, okay She's now she's in Damascus where she teaches English and is learning Arabic. Yeah Yeah, just an everyday chick from Berkeley regular Berkeley chick just roaming around, you know teaching people stuff great Okay. Well, I certainly hope that she... Oh, thank you, Jamba Juice. I hope she doesn't have cancer or anything. No, of course not. That would be horrible. No, but it's funny to see the background. It's like a casual hiker in the Iraqi mountains. Yeah. Sneaking in... Oh, I got lost. Yeah. And by the way, what are you doing in Iraq? Yeah, right. I was just wandering around Iraq and I stumbled into Iran and I got put in jail and thank you I can now feel the ocean waves tingling my privates. It's so nice. Meanwhile she stuck her poor boyfriend in his body. They're still stuck in an Iranian jail getting it up the rear probably. Who needs a divorce when you've got Iran?

CHAPTER 28 / 29 Discussion

Craigslist Congressional Hearing, Engineers as Terrorists

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee grills Craigslist representatives over adult services and child trafficking. The hosts argue the hearing is a pretext for shutting down or regulating the internet. They also highlight a New York Times Magazine piece suggesting that "engineers" and "sysadmins" are prone to terrorist ideologies, marking a new phase in the "Ministry of Truth" narrative.

craigslist· sheila jackson lee· child trafficking· engineers· sysadmins

1:56:34 Hey, what you got some craigslist stuff here you have so much I figured you had a whole rant that I wouldn't want to withhold from the show Craigslist had to do they had the big the big giant hearing I knew we can play all these were just a final one But there was this woman from Texas is black Congresswoman. Oh not that crazy one with it with all the the the wrapped around clothing well she's got definitely some outrageous clothing. Is that her name? Sheila Jackson. Yeah she's nuts. She is nuts man I love her. She's got all the wraps on. She's going after Craigslist for child trafficking and so is this head guy, the guy's the head of the whole thing and they don't understand Craigslist they probably never visited it they don't even know what prostitution is from what I can tell but we can play a little clip I don't want to play all these clips

1:57:22 In full cloth, I just want to play a little bit till we get to clip four. So you just get a flavor for the way this was going. It was the Congress grilling a bunch of police departments. How come you don't call the Craigslist girls and pick them up? How come you don't do this? How come you don't do that? I mean, it's just, it was, these guys are idiots. But play clip one for a second. Well, I have Craig Ferguson. Is that clip one? No, no. Craig Ferguson is a different, Craigslist one. Craigslist one. Here we go. rise up and accept their good citizenship and say they will not have these kind of sites on any form of public, if you will, when I say public, a commercial enterprise where people are making money off of sex crimes. I love her. She is awesome. You have to see her do it. Did you see her with all like the scarves and she's like Steven Tyler. She's got these fake pearls that looks like a bunch of baseballs. Baseball.

1:58:16 She's awesome. I think it's very difficult to shut down every site that is on the internet. You shut down one, there'll be another one. Before I forget, you know, I have that Twitter feed of erotic services which reposts Craigslist sex ads from London and the other day one came through, help I'm being trafficked. Someone literally put that on there as a sex ad. It's too funny. However, I truly agree with the chief here saying if we're gonna have these sites, let's do the investigations properly. Again, I'm not exaggerating when I say MySpace, every pimp has a MySpace page. Yo, that's right!

1:58:57 Know this, if we're giving them the information, printing it out, giving them the websites, how to contact them. So let's do an investigation off of that. Let's collect on why are service providers collecting all this information, giving it to the police? Shouldn't they be taking a response and doing that themselves to create cases? Okay, so this is about shutting down the internet. That's what it is, right? John? I think it might be. Of course it is. This is totally about shutting down the internet. Yeah, it could be. There's an angle there, that's for sure. Well this goes along with the, what was the article that came out that, oh shoot, where is it, that it's smart engineers who are terrorists. Did you see that?

1:59:45 No, yeah that one. We'll play some more of this this Craigslist clip and I'll look for it. We basically help create these cases of finding out information, collecting all the data that the police need to make sure they actually prosecute and do what they're supposed to and not hold the children on a material which is this is a woman that's got I don't know what, you know, they try to make the point that Craigslist people, that's not one of them, she's with the child trafficking operation, or the anti-child trafficking operation. They keep trying to accuse Craigslist as being some front for child trafficking, when in fact Craigslist is, you know, does the best job of reporting this stuff. And the argument goes, it goes back and forth and back and forth, and finally it gets to, play clip three, oh no, clip two, the chairman.

2:00:33 with his idiot questions. There are remaining erotic services categories in sites outside of the United States, including Canada. I think Ms. McDougall might be able to speak more effectively to that because it's my understanding that there are a number of issues country by country as well as legal issues for that. I can tell you that something on the order of 97% of our viewers and use is within the United States and Canada. Can a United States person access a foreign Craigslist site? Yes, anyone anywhere can access any Craigslist site anywhere. Well that's just outrageous we have to shut it all down. This has to stop. Damn it. New York Times Magazine. Engineering Terror.

2:01:34 They say they believe in freedom and share our values. They say a few bad apples shouldn't bring down judgment on their entire kind. Don't be fooled. Though they walk among us with impunity, they are, in the words of Henry Farrell, a political scientist at George Washington University, a group that is notoriously associated with terrorist violence and fundamental political beliefs. They are engineers. There you go, sysadmins. Happy Talk Like a Pirate Day to ya. Arrrr. John. Yes. That is, this is a systematic approach. So, hey, oh my gosh, we can actually access trafficked prostitutes?

2:02:16 In in foreign countries odd that we've got we've really got to crack down on this internet thing. This is really bad This is bad for children idiot. He actually says that they asked the Craigslist guy. Yeah, he says we're access to key What should we play the rest of it get on a Toronto site and there's hookers on there? Why don't I hear in Washington DC just go on the Toronto sites duh? Oh And the guy says, because nobody, nobody, it's not an international site. If there's hookers in Toronto, they're advertising for the Toronto customers. This guy does not get it. No. Now, I guess the worst thing, there's a third clip, but I'm going to go right to the last clip where Sheila Jackson doesn't get the big scheme of things when she says, well, why don't you shut down the Canadian sites? And then the lawyer says, well, we were talking to the guy, and he goes, well, just shut them down. You shut them down here. And so the woman finally cracks. What she should have said was, because we didn't like shutting it down. We think that it's better that it's up. And we have reasons for that. She finally defends herself. It takes forever. And this is the woman from Craigslist?

2:03:14 Yeah, the lawyer for Craigslist. She finally comes out and defends herself and then Sheila Jackson doesn't understand what she's talking about. But the fact of the matter is I had to listen to this and hours and hours of this to get to this. I think it is a business judgment that the company makes. I think that the other side of the coin is that what you might be getting is that the government would ask you, well, why are you doing it? and may make some kind of plea or make some kind of statement or whether it be positive or hostile, why are you taking it down? But that has not happened. I don't see the basis of negotiating with the government on a private entity that can take it down. Let me... There is actually an answer to that and that is that not everybody, as you see in some of the materials we submitted, a lot of advocacy groups

2:03:57 think that taking down adult services was the wrong thing to do, setting aside the issue that it gives nowhere for legitimate adult services to have a forum. A lot of the advocacy groups feel very disappointed because it's much more difficult to find the victims now dispersed on these other sites that are non-cooperative. So Craigslist made the decision to do it here, but that does not mean it's a company position that is that this is the right move. And that's why it has not gone ahead and done it in Canada, because Canada so far has not said that they think that that is the answer either. Well let me just conclude by saying that we will probably agree to disagree, but I'm not in the discussions with Canada and I do recognize that law enforcement has said

2:04:45 that the sites have generated an opportunity for them to press for the victims and then find the perpetrators. I would say with Chief, the Chief, that we might give him other resources to find these perpetrators or enough resources to find them and not proliferate sites in other places. I think the sites are quite distracting. Give her the hook. Right. So somebody up there should have said let's legalize prostitution and put a stop to this whole thing. Yeah, like Norway. Or Denmark. What is it, Norway or Denmark? I don't know, they're all over the place. But I'm sorry John, but the way I see this, it's a systematic close-in. They're saying two things. And the thing that... so this whole shut down Craigslist, whatever. Right? Whatever. But what really... you know, how about rentboys.com? They're not going to shut that down because 90% of all these male politicians are undercover gay.

2:05:43 How come they're not calling for that? Rentboys.com, it's an international site. How come they don't want to shut that down? That's not good enough? Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. You don't have traffic men? Anyway, the thing that worries me the most is that they're now saying that engineers, i.e. sysadmins, are terrorists. and i love that and i know it's very very disturbing very serious admin should be bent out of shape and find out the guys who did this thing and have a shit out of and terrorize them exactly not the way i've advocate uh... terrorism or any other such activities on the next show by the way we will get to the crazy crap going on in in uh... las vegas who good that's a nice tease yeah basically murdering some poor guy in the

2:06:39 Costco Costco no, but we know I already emailed you we mentioned that story when it happened three months ago about the miss it not Destroying the evidence against themselves and all the rest of it's just too too good. Oh, okay I didn't know about that that there was a follow-up. I thought it was like oh, this is news We already did the news no. No this has got all kinds of stuff. Okay good frightening Could you put that in your notes so we don't forget? It's right here at the top of the list And it also brings back the meme about the, I think it's part of the, you know, the federal cops versus the local cops. Locals are incompetent, the federals are competent and that's coming back into play. I think that's going to be a big theme for the next year. Please support this show by going to Dvorak.org slash NA. Even if it's a $5 a month subscription, that really does help. It sustains the show so we can pay bills.

CHAPTER 29 / 29 Discussion

Eric Prince CNBC Interview, Private Sector Military Efficiency

In a July 2010 CNBC interview, Blackwater founder Eric Prince discusses the sale of his company and the logistical challenges of the war in Afghanistan. Prince argues that the U.S. must rely on private sector efficiency to sustain military operations and criticizes the "proctology exam" his company faced from Congress and military lawyers.

eric prince· blackwater· xe services· afghanistan· cnbc

2:07:29 Coming to you from Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's... I don't know what is with this weather. Is it going to ever end? I'm John C. DeVore. We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on NO Agenda. Well, as Blackwater, it became a household name for work in Iraq. But now Z Services is gearing up for a new mission and potentially some new ownership. Joining us now first on CNBC is Eric Prince, founder and chairman of Z Services. And Eric, you haven't been CEO for how long now? About a year now. About a year now. Looking out of the day today.

2:08:14 Blackwater Z, it's still dealing, I mean you get business from the federal government even at this point. A new deal is continuing to be signed. Still heavily engaged in Afghanistan and other parts around the world. What recent signings? For what type of services? There is some additional security work that was just awarded in the last few weeks. In the last few weeks. Where does everything else stand? in terms of some of the issues that arose in the last three or four years with... Most of them come into resolution, but at the end of the day after three and a half years of an assault by some of the bureaucracy, kind of a proctology exam brought on by some in Congress, it's time to hang it up because I think some in Washington view politics a lot more important than performance in the field.

2:09:00 Public sentiment and media sentiment moves back and forth. Where are we now in terms of the idea that a firm like Blackwater is a necessary, maybe some people don't like what the firm's involved with, but are we back to where people realize this is the kind of thing, it's a dirty job that someone has to do it? There's a lot of fatigue at Afghanistan. The conflict there is the longest one in American history now. One of the real challenges the U.S. has is getting control of their costs and how to conduct these operations. Afghanistan costs per soldier almost twice as much as it does in Iraq because of the limited logistics flow. So using the private sector to find ways to do things cheaper, smarter, better.

2:09:41 the US is going to have to do that. The total military spending in the world, the US spends half of that and that's an unsustainable number. So you're going to have to turn to private sector efficiency initiatives if the US is going to be able to project power, help its friends, whether it's hard power or soft power, doing the work overseas. There's been so much talk about comparing the surge in Iraq to the surge in Afghanistan and the differences between insurgents in Iraq and Afghan fighters, right? And just the physical terrain, everything. Can a surge work as well, half as well? Not at all? What? I won't comment on whether it will work or not, I'll just comment on how difficult it is to do it logistically. When you have to fly in a lot of your jet fuel that you're using every day, you can't even truck it in because the roads are so bad through Pakistan or coming out of Uzbekistan.

2:10:31 It's just hard. I mean all the troops for that surge are not even on the ground yet, won't even be in there until August. So whereas in Iraq you could fly them in, boat them in, truck them in. It's just that much harder. It's a remote country with a lot more gravel roads than paved. You know, Eric, we hear that this discovery of incredibly important minerals could be a game changer. How do you think that could possibly change the game and what could happen? Well, I think Afghanistan is a beautiful country and it reminds me a lot of parts of it of Colorado. there's great opportunity to extract resources from the ground but you have to have infrastructure, you have to have roads and rule of law to do that and some kind of security. In many parts of Afghanistan it's safe enough to do that now. If you ship it out to the north or to the northeast it's possible to get those mines to get that stuff going but you have to have enough of a rule of law and enough security to do that. And it sounds like that's a long way away. Mostly in the southeast is where it's the worst but parts of the country it's absolutely doable.

2:11:33 the money that's in the ground to build the infrastructure but you need the infrastructure to get what's in the ground out to get the money to build it. What comes first, the chicken or the egg? That's the question. It's a real problem. Obviously, we're still talking about the news from yesterday. Just any comments on, I mean, is it a, is Is it make it harder with General Petraeus? I mean, in that McChrystal has been there and knows Karzai so well. Are we losing anything? Well, General McChrystal is a great warrior, very well respected by the troops, as is General Petraeus, and politically acceptable to do the mission. He was CENTCOM commander, so it's not like he's been out of the loop.

2:12:15 So that mission will continue. I think one of the hardest things for a guy like General McChrystal, if he was getting complaints from his troops, it was very restrictive rules of engagement, constant restraints on what they could do. I mean, you can't drop a bomb from an airplane in Afghanistan without having a lawyer. sign off on it. We've almost allowed lawyers to become what political officers were in the Soviet Union, the guys that truly can approve and nix anything a battlefield commander can do. And it's very, makes it so tough in a 24-hour news cycle for a ground commander to wage war in an insurgency where you have all those uncertainties, all those risks, trying to protect your people, trying to do a job and protect civilians.

2:12:54 to be constantly second-guessed by lawyers, inspector generals, and sniping critics back in Washington. It's great having you on. Whenever you're on I feel like I'm getting a Tom Clancy thing going or something. It's interesting to talk about. Hanging it up, the business is for sale, and it's early in the process, but I will be exiting the U.S. government market completely. Blahdy blahdy blah. Bullshit!