Vasectomies and The Fountain of Youth

00:01 Once again it's time for the program that contains no commercials, no jingles, has absolutely no talent and of course no agenda. Coming to you from a snow-covered Britain in the Curry Manor. I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. DeVorek in a less than snow-covered, actually warm Northern California. Snow? You have snow? Yeah, we had some. We woke up this morning to a blanket of snow. It's all across Western Europe and the United Kingdom. It's almost April and here we are. We got snow. Wow. Yeah, you can say that again. Well, no, it's been hot last week. This last week. We had to put the top down. It was so hot, I had to put the top down. Am I supposed to feel happy? Sad?

00:55 Yes, it's a struggle. Oh, yes, oh to put that because it's not an electric top you mean it's actual work Is that what you're saying? You have to get out and put it down and get back in We had to dig out our snow boots from the closet, that's what we were doing it's unbelievable we had Boy, we had almost spring. We thought we had an early spring in February. My garden, by the way, is in full bloom. I have a... I'm very particular about our backyard. It's a real proper English garden. And now everything's covered with snow and I don't know if everything will survive it. So, last week, John, we... Did we do the show on Saturday, right? Last week. So it's Sunday today.

01:39 Yeah. And so we were probably still basking in the glory of another fine program shoved out the wires through the tubes known as the interwebs when the Federal Reserve was making deals, cutting all kinds of corners in secret on a Sunday to save, well not to save Bear Stearns, but to, I guess to help out JPMorgan or I don't know man, this actually blew me away. This is unprecedented. Seems like corruption of some sort. I know I think it's punishment actually I know a lot of the guys over at Bear Stearns or I guess I did know a lot of the guys over at Bear Stearns and they're kind of a They're kind of a maverick. You know, they they also didn't help bail out some other banks about I think it's maybe about nine or ten years ago I I mean look obviously the government could have put the 30 billion into Bear Stearns that would have worked but no they gave it to JP Morgan Chase and

02:39 So that they could then use that as a security for buying Bear Stearns. So I think it's punishment. It's like, all right, you guys screw you. We're not bailing you out. I like it. I like the theory. The thing that bugs me the most about the Bear Stearns story is besides the fact that Jim Cramer said not to get out of Bear even though he claims it was- I know, six days before, right? He was yelling, everything is fine at Bear Stearns. And, uh, is that you look at the chart, I think it bears terms that sometimes it was one, maybe $160 a share and then it was $60 a share when Kramer was telling people not to worry about it. And, uh, now it was two last time when it hit bottom, I guess around two. I'm thinking what a fan, I mean, this is a short.

03:28 You know, or a put or a short that would, with very little money, would have made anyone an instant millionaire. Absolutely. Yeah. Although, it's not trading at $2. It's actually trading at, I think, $7 or $8. Whoa, that would have been a good buy down at the bottom then. I don't think it actually went to $2, John. That's the purchase price. Really? It went all the way down to $2? I thought it was hovering around $7 or $8. I think in this bad day, I think it bounced off of two. I'd have to look it up, but it was down there. But that purchase includes the building, which hey, by the way, I wouldn't mind buying the building for 230 million. It's worth like 1.2 billion dollars. It's amazing that the real estate is tied up in the package.

04:11 Yeah, I'm telling you this was someone got slapped and actually I think it's pretty good because Considering that most of these fund managers and bankers, you know, they actually got paid on the deal right? so they lost all this money or the the money that they were trading with was based on bad debt, but every single time they do a trade they make money anyway. And so now they actually got punished because all the shareholders of course are completely screwed on this deal. So I'm sticking with the theory it was a fuck you from the Fed and of course the other banks who were all part of the mysterious organization known as the Federal Reserve. I like it.

04:53 But of course the economy is just about to go into the tank, but luckily... Well yeah, big time. We're doing a good job of rigging the books. Well, we're not really rigging... they're really trying to stop it, but there's no confidence. No one believes anyone has any money. The games are being played that you and I aren't in, but I'm sure they're fun to watch from the sideline. You know, rumors come out, it's like, oh, HBOS is out of funny, oh, you know, JP Morgan, they're gonna buy it, but they're gonna buy Bear, but they're actually running into trouble themselves. You know what bothers me more than anything else is the fact that the Canadian dollar's more valuable than the US dollar. By a nice margin these days, I believe, as well, huh? Well, no, I think it's... I mean, it's always been, you know, 75 cents just a few years ago. Now it's like, I think it's just over a dollar, but it's... The Canadians are getting the biggest kick out of it. Of course, it ruins a lot of gags that comics like to use about the Canadians. Yeah, we can't tell any more good jokes about our northerly neighbors.

05:53 Right, you know, and they're gloating. Although I have to say, you know, one of them reminded me sometime back that this was the same situation around 1977 or maybe it was even 72 or something like that when we were in the Vietnam War, the Canadian dollar became as valuable as the US dollar. So, seems to have something to do with the war. And speaking of the war, we got a voicemail comment which is short. I wanted to play for you because apparently we missed something really big in the news. Okay, I just finished listening to no agenda and you and John Were duped the story isn't spitzer Okay on Tuesday William Fox Fallon Admiral William sent come

06:42 com commander was forced to resign on wednesday fitzgerald is his resignation like general mccarthur saying i don't want to be japan and resigning but nobody's talking about box alan resigning because of the facilities details in the future story and you got sucked into it if those two things are related to the time is not related i i i just i just can't Can't believe it. But I thought I'd point that out and maybe you can take that up on no agenda. Interesting theory, huh? Well, you know, there's no doubt that we're duped on a day-to-day basis. I think the general public is, journalists are, observers like ourselves. So it's quite likely that we were duped in fact. And I don't ever deny being duped. I get duped a lot. Even by your own wife?

05:53 Right, you know, and they're gloating. Although I have to say, you know, one of them reminded me sometime back that this was the same situation around 1977 or maybe it was even 72 or something like that when we were in the Vietnam War, the Canadian dollar became as valuable as the US dollar. So, seems to have something to do with the war. And speaking of the war, we got a voicemail comment which is short. I wanted to play for you because apparently we missed something really big in the news. Okay, I just finished listening to no agenda and you and John Were duped the story isn't spitzer Okay on Tuesday William Fox Fallon Admiral William sent come

06:42 com commander was forced to resign on wednesday fitzgerald is his resignation like general mccarthur saying i don't want to be japan and resigning but nobody's talking about box alan resigning because of the facilities details in the future story and you got sucked into it if those two things are related to the time is not related i i i just i just can't Can't believe it. But I thought I'd point that out and maybe you can take that up on no agenda. Interesting theory, huh? Well, you know, there's no doubt that we're duped on a day-to-day basis. I think the general public is, journalists are, observers like ourselves. So it's quite likely that we were duped in fact. And I don't ever deny being duped. I get duped a lot. Even by your own wife?

07:36 When was this? Doesn't the wife always dupe us all the time dude? Yesterday we were supposed to do a show and I was like grocery shopping. Come on, talk about being duped. Yeah, well you know I actually would prefer doing grocery shopping to this show, but that's another story. Oh Damn that hurts. I like to shop That's right. I forgot that about you. You do like to shop. I'm not a big show that my son is down here looking around for him to get a jacket and Wanted to go to a bunch of used clothing stores because he's a he's a he's a tall but thin you know

08:11 and he had to find something that fit, so they were gonna go shopping in San Francisco to a bunch of these vintage places, and there's a lot of them in San Francisco, and some of them have amazing product. And so he goes, and they said, do you wanna come? My wife asked me, and then she says, wait, wait, no, no, no, it'll make my son nervous with me around. And I realized that even though I do like to shop, I don't shop like a girl. I essentially power shop. I get in, I get out, and I try to hit as much stuff as I can as fast as I can. Now this is gross. Women when they shop, if you've been shopping with them, especially for clothes, my God, you might as well shoot yourself. They look at everything. They look at all the prices, and they try a million things on, and they don't buy anything. And they're just so slow and

09:03 Boring shoppers. It's just horrible. Well unfortunately this was nothing as exciting as that this was like the the toilet paper the paper towel the I hate those runs man. Everything is heavy except for the paper towels obviously everything is heavy You know it's like get the orange juice get the milk and it's heavy heavy stuff I said I don't like that heavy for God's sake and by the way when we shop for Toilet paper paper towels out here on the west coast it's course you always buy all that stuff at Costco and So you buy these huge packages of like, you know, 50-roll. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's the same thing. You still gotta do that monthly run, right? You gotta do the big one. We don't crap that much. I'm so full of shit, I need lots of toilet paper. I got it all over the place.

09:51 Oh man. You know, every few months maybe. So I'm a little confused about the time, but actually we were doing something up here in the attic which doesn't occur very often. Patricia had come to me and she said, you know, I want to do, you know, she's doing that Holland's Got Talent thing I told you about, the Dutch version of the reality kind of format judging show. She's a judge? Yeah, she's a judge. And so she knows the host of the show. We've known the host of the show for a long, long time. And he's kind of a flamboyant, very successful singer.

10:37 And so they're gonna do it. They're gonna do a song together during one of these live shows which come up further in May She said you know I've got this great idea. We talked about this last week she wants to do kind of like a Martha and the Reeves Martha reason the Vandellas and wham you know wake me up before you go go and heatwave kind of that type of vibe and And it doesn't happen very often. We've been together 22 years. She says, would you help me put together a demo? I'm like, I'm not really a musician. But you can program that shit all in MIDI on the computer. So that we were up until all hours of the night last night doing this thing. Do I hear a piece?

11:18 Uh, yeah, I think so, but don't play too much because it violates our rules. Oh, what? Having no agenda? Oh, no music you mean? Believe me, it's not music, okay? It's a demo. It doesn't count as music. I'll play a little piece for you just so you get the idea. I'll give you one little chorus. Oh, I forgot to mention it's in Dutch.

12:02 It's kind of a Motown sound, huh? You just want to show off the fact that your wife has a voice. I wanted to show off the fact that I actually played a bass line on the computer without having any talent. Yeah, well you can do a lot on the computer nowadays with all this. You can get drums and all kinds of cool things. No kidding! I know. I have this... There's a lot of... Was it Logic Studio that you can buy for Apple? And I've never really cracked the box, but man, oh man, it's amazing what you can do with that program. That's why you're up all night. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if I'm not making Motown music, I'm worrying about the rest of the world. That's what I'm doing, my friends. I'm killing ants.

12:45 Big story over here, John, did you see this thing about form? P-H-O-R-M? No. Oh, this is a really big story. It's a company that delivers a service, I think it comes in the form of a server or a box that you install to ISPs. And what it does is it injects advertising into web pages that pass through it. So basically, so and I love that. Yeah, isn't it great? So you have Virgin Media, TalkTalk, BT, you know, basically 80 or 90% of the internet service providers here in the UK have now all signed up to this program and it's opt out, okay? So, and even if you opt out, it's still all going through this, I guess, you know, like a proxy server that these guys install and they install a cookie on your machine

13:35 or on your web browser, I guess, yeah, which is technically on your machine. And then they'll replace irrelevant ads with relevant ads. And it's kind of up in the air. They determine what's relevant. Well, of course. Well, they're tracking you. That's why they have all this relevancy. And so there's basically two sides. I probably, the way I read it was, oh, great, you know, they're going to take a random web page and just insert a different standard IAB size banner. I think it's only for sites that participate, but of course every ad network everyone will participate And but this the privacy guys of course that are that are really up in arms about this because you know it's going through their their Box you know and oh we're not storing it. We're not storing any of your data. You're you can't be connected to your actual data It's unbelievable lies yeah, and and I've been getting a lot of calls from

14:27 About people who have left their torrent you know bit torrent servers on all night only to wake up the next day and find out that their ISP cut them off because someone had Contacted the ISP and given them their IP address, so there's come this was it eab I think there's a company out there now that does this and It's like unbelievable yeah, I mean if we already knew our phones were being tapped But this is now it's getting pretty pretty heavy man injecting advertising Could they just inject a different voice so that you would sound female instead of what you have now. That would be nice hi Actually, you can make me sound female with you know that you when you use Audacity you know there's that pitch thing is quite powerful. I got one of those I could probably do that on the fly I

15:15 Yeah, you probably could. I would probably blow everything up as I usually do when I try to be cool on the technical side. Yeah, yeah you do. So let's see, the news out here is of course the battles heating up between Obama and Hillary. Right, more distraction. But the funny thing is, and that's kind of be, I was coming to this conclusion, I actually wrote a note down on this because I wanted to discuss it a little bit. Which is the way political people in this country either isolate themselves or they actually do their due diligence. And it turns out that the Democrats seem to be the ones who do the isolation.

15:55 And I only say that because in the office, and this has happened a couple of times, I'll mention, I listen to Rush Limbaugh. And I listen to him for a number of reasons. One's he's got 15 million listeners, he's one of the most popular radio people ever, so you can learn from him. Just that alone. But the other thing is, it's like doing due diligence. If you're a Democrat and you wanted to see what the Republicans were up to, you'd want to listen to this guy. But if you talk to a Democrat about it, they always say the same thing. How can you listen to that guy? I can't stand him and they won't even listen. Well, how do they know they can't stand him? Sometimes he's got some really good stuff, really valid. Well, the thing he's doing now is called Operation Chaos. Okay, alright, now I remember why I don't listen to him.

16:43 So Operation Chaos is in play and the idea is that if there's a primary coming up, he wants you as a Republican to eschew your Republicanism, get a Democrat ballot, which you can do in primaries, and vote for Hillary. Why? Because he's so pissed off with McCain being the... No, no, he thinks Hillary's more beatable. Oh, okay, gotcha. But more importantly, he doesn't really care which of the two, I'll give you the theory, he doesn't care which of the two run as long as this election stays in abeyance so you don't know who's going to win so they start sniping at each other to such a point that the Republican will just sneak in up the gut, as it were, while these two people bicker.

17:29 Because it's fairly well known that the sooner you get that over with, the better off you are for the general election. Well, it's divide and conquer, right? Isn't that the basic principle? Yeah, essentially. So anyway, so he's doing this Operation Chaos, and I was thinking about a couple of things. One, none of the Democrat, my Democratic friends, none of them know that this is going on. And then the ones who do know that it's going are all up in arms about it. It's like it's the world's, you know, it's horrible that even though it turns out that Limbaugh got the idea from a Democrat who'd pulled it off in a small scale someplace years ago.

18:05 And meanwhile, of course, nobody's listening to this guy anyway, so they're completely clueless. And I always thought the Republicans were more just, because I listen to like, I like to listen to Limbaugh, I'll listen to this other guy, Michael Savage, who's really entertaining. And then I'll listen to Air America if I get a shot at it. I listen to Jon Stewart. I try to listen to all sides of everything and you get a pretty well run. I just don't take a bigoted approach where I say, I won't listen to that guy. How can you listen? People say this, how can you listen to him? Well, that's the same people who can actually say, I hate Republicans or I hate Democrats. I mean, what kind of language is that? I hate red states. I hate blue states. This is our common language. And it's crap is what it is.

18:52 I agree. But anyway, back to Operation Chaos. I came to the conclusion, I was thinking about this yesterday, I came to the conclusion that... I think setting up Operation Chaos and making it, you know, waving your arms a lot about what you... I was thinking it's probably not having... It's probably having zero effect. I mean, I don't even think... Now, I think most Republicans wouldn't go through the trouble of voting for Hillary. I'm sure a few do. But it's not enough to really sway the election. But it's enough to freak out, you know, it's almost like a psych game, a head game on the Democrats. that he appears to be doing this whether he is or not. But this is, he's just latching onto something that already existed. I mean I'm reading everywhere Hillary closet Republican you know. Isn't he just kind of sneaking in on something that's already been out there? Maybe. All I know is that this election is becoming a laugh riot. Did you see Obama's speech?

19:46 Well, here's the other thing that's interesting about it. Yeah, I did. And here's the other thing that's interesting about Obama, another thing that Democrats don't get. They have no idea how much the Republicans are experimenting with how to hound this guy over this Reverend Wright. In fact, if you talk to most of them, I would include my son in this, who obviously goes to Evergreen College. He's a college kid. He's not going to be a Republican. He's not even, he said, well it's not a big deal, blah, blah, blah. These guys have, none of these people, since nobody listens to these shows, have any idea how much they're just working this in the background. Of course they are. It's a perfect opportunity to be met. They're tweaking all the time.

20:30 Yeah, they're constantly tweaking. And I think he's got a real problem with this character. And especially when more, you know, there's two things I think are going to come out more about this right if it's Obama and then Hillary. I keep hearing these stories about how horrible she is as a interpersonal relationships with the Secret Service. You know, she screeches a lot apparently. There's somebody has to have a tape of this that they're sitting on of her blow. We're just going off and going ballistic What's her problem? She doesn't like the Secret Service or they won't get her She's just apparently bossy and and and profane. You know she Cusses like a truck driver. She doesn't look like it at all John. That's funny She could she cusses like a truck driver and is extremely

21:20 She's just mean. And, um... Yeah, I buy that. Somebody has to have a tape of this. I just don't believe, you know, if all these stories are true, that somebody, like half a dozen people haven't secretly taped her screaming at him. So that's the next thing the, uh... Well, the Republicans might try that to shake it up a bit. You know, let's not mess with Clinton. I think they're going to save that for the general election, though, if they have it. Oh man, no sooner had we agreed that your theory was that it would be Clinton with Barack Obama as a VP, than did the Clintons actually start to kind of message that. Pretty interesting. Yeah, it's rigged.

22:03 Still it may happen that way you certainly called McCain man and by the way It's not too late to all get behind Ron Paul if you're looking at If you're looking at what's going on with the Federal Reserve, that's one of the things he wants to bust up You know those guys that are taking your money Stealing it from you printing it and giving it to themselves those guys. How do we do that? How do we make the general public understand that they're being that they're being that's just people are stealing from them I think they just assume that's happening. I don't think that you're going to inform anybody. I think they've always, in fact, they probably think they're being ripped off more than they actually are. Well, just in this past weekend, three people from my immediate friends and family circle have contacted me. All three of them were in some form of financial crisis. And it's all directly relatable to high adjustable rate mortgages on short term.

23:02 No ability to refinance, house prices coming down. None of them by the way in the United States, all Europe. It's really happening. It's amazing to me how the Americans have managed to screw up the Europeans with this scam. I thought those guys had some brains. And the guy at UBS, the head of one of the big Swiss banks, he's like, they're in trouble? I mean, how does a Swiss bank make this mistake? I thought they were pretty conservative. It's real easy because there's derivatives trading going on all the time.

23:39 Billions of dollars a day and it's all you know based on three levels deep of look I've got this bond from that guy and it's backed by that guys this thing and So here's my position and I'll trade that with you for some for some Swiss francs and we'll blow out some euros and give me some dollars and you got any oil and And when one guy starts to unwind in that whole process, it's like a chain. So everyone's involved in it. I mean, who do you think the UBS is trading with? They're not only trading with Asia, they're trading with the US. So that's how they're affected. Well, I find it amusing. Sure.

24:19 And they had run on some runs on the banks, I guess, in Britain and elsewhere. We haven't had that yet. No, the run on the bank was Northern Rock. That hasn't happened since, so that was, uh, was that January or just before the New Year? Um, what, what Northern Rock is doing now and what people are complaining about is they're offering these amazing savings account deals, which is, you know, higher than any competitor can offer in the marketplace, obviously because they're safe, right? They're owned by the government, so they got this 6.5, 6.7% interest rate. Really? So what's the name of this bank again? We could invest in that bank in the United States. Yes, Northern Rock. There you go. It would be a perfect idea. I'm not sure how much longer the dollar is going to keep sliding at some point. It's a cycle, even though it's caused by various things, but it can go up and down. Yeah, it can, but...

25:11 It has to go down a little bit in the next few months because of all this money that's being printed. It's obvious, you can't just flood the market with more money and not expect the dollar to go down. So it has to drop a few more points or basis points or whatever. Really, I think we could actually see a two dollar euro. You mean a two-year? Yeah, two yeah, two dollar euro crap. Could you that would be like the pound? Horrible. Yeah. Well you watch we'll see we'll see all kinds of things happen. We didn't talk about About Fallon though about him quitting. He's from the Central Command Yeah, we didn't know but I think that's interesting. He was the guy in charge he took over from Was it?

26:06 I forget his name, but he wasn't he like given a key What didn't he find himself in a situation where he became a figurehead? So he just got sick of it and quit well I guess that's once that's one story But isn't it coincidence that he quits one day before the for spitzer resigns in the midst of the whole spitzer deal Yeah, I think that's great. It's amazing that that could be, you know, I find it hard to believe that that could actually be manipulated. What is the problem, by the way, with the United States and the United, well, the United Kingdom has a different problem with it, but in most countries in the world, this is just not that important. And by the way, I'm pretty sure if I got caught, my wife would say, well, at least they were expensive hookers.

26:52 Yeah, I know, but you weren't an attorney general who's harsh on crime and used to be a pontificate about it. There's a big difference, I think, of some guy. If the guy was just like a slacker, You know, and he didn't have all this background, all this baggage of being a do-gooder, a lawman as it were. I don't think this would have been much to it. It would have blown over. Right, but I think I'm going one level deeper. Why is the actual act of prostitution such a big deal in the United States and the United Kingdom? Because it's against the law? Well, yeah, but why is it against the law? It's not against the law in every country in the world, John. You know, wake up call.

27:38 Well, it's not against the law in Nevada either. Well, I don't know. I think that, you know, if it's just, everyone would say it's just a Puritan background and, you know, it's just one of those things. You make up the, you put these, these kind of systems together and you, and you kind of stick with it as best you can. And then when somebody, you know, takes an opposite approach where they say, well, it's, you know, prostitution is legal every place else, why can't we have it here? I don't know, it just doesn't work that way. But it's like hypocritical. I mean, the best porn in the world comes from America, of course. I think actually most of it's served out of Canada, to be honest about it. Oh, but all the women are from America, dude. They're all hot, they're all hot L.A. babes. They're all hot. You do the same thing, when you see, you run into a porn site. Yeah. Which happens from time to time, yes. It happens a lot, and so you run into a porn site and you look and you look and you look.

28:32 And you go, and you look, it's like most of it is repetitive, it's kind of redundant. But the one thing you notice is how many women are having their picture taken in these situations? I mean, thousands and thousands and thousands. Where are these girls? And how come they're not here with me? I never said I don't remember him in high school. I mean we're talking I mean it's like it's endless it's but I also have also you know John I also want to tell you that having sex casual sex is also very different than from you and I were when we were youngsters it's really changed kids have a very different attitude about it these days

29:10 Yeah, but does the attitude include having your picture taken while you're doing it? Is this some sort of mark of, of, you know, honor? I mean, I don't get it. It's always the girls, by the way. The guys rarely have their picture taken. They have more sense. Well, there's... There's no market for naked guys, okay? Yeah, but there is, but you gotta be a particular type of naked guy. Just regular guys like us, no market for us naked. No, but that's true. I agree with that. But how come, you know, there's a lot of fat chicks that are having their picture taken naked and they're showing off and smiling? Because there's a market for it. There's a huge market for fat chicks. There's a huge market for that. That's really, really big.

29:50 You know, there's a couple things going on. One is easy money. No doubt about it. It's just the easiest money to make. I mean, I'm just saying that without actually being a woman and being in that situation. Of course, there's all kinds of bad stuff that goes on with porn. But also look at the number of porn stars who have gone on to be quote unquote successful media stars. It's a way in. Out of 10,000, how many? Well, certainly 10, but it doesn't matter. It's a way in. I mean, over here in the UK, page three girls, you know, Jordan, one of the most photographed and very successful, now she's a model, started just by basically being on page three with her boobs hanging out.

30:34 You know? Yeah, I mean this... So I think part of that, you know, that's an extended piece of show business. But still, I mean, all... it's just... it's so weird. It's definitely show business. Hey, I love being a show businessman. There's nothing like being in the business of entertaining people when there's a recession or even a depression happening. That's the best time because everyone's pissed off, angry, and it's so easy to play into that. Because all people actually... I'm sorry, but yeah, people in show business, restaurant business and writing tend to do well. They don't tend to do well, but they tend to get through depressions. I think, no, I've always done very well because people are, I can't, I would love to do a live radio show now, like a live, you know, with people being able to call in because people are upset, you know, it's great. There's emotions flowing. When everyone's happy and having a good time and partying, they don't want to listen to the radio.

31:27 I want to listen to a podcast when they're upset and when they want to have their lives enlightened and hear that it's... I think people... What do you think people listen to this podcast for? I think they do... I think they listen to it in the car when they're driving to work. We have a lot of dedicated fans. It's kind of interesting. Yeah, and the number of dedicated fans is consistent. We have a good organic growth. I don't know why. People say they get hooked on it. I think it's just because they're listening to two guys talk who... I think it's eavesdropping. Yeah, it's an eavesdropping thing. That's part of it. I think they learn something. For instance, if I were to say to you, John, you're the right guy to ask, what the hell is the deal with Tibet? I mean, what is going on with Tibet? Please explain this to me. This country, how many people live in this country? In Tibet? Yeah, 300,000?

32:19 That's a good question. I'd have to look it up on Wikipedia. Well, which of course is the God's honest truth Why why I mean what is obviously no one likes seeing monks getting bashed over the head. That's that's okay I get that right that's messed up, but this is like a Taiwan situation where China actually annexed them and then you know like Taiwan said no way we're our own little island here and And what do you know it has it has a lot to do with the fact that the Dalai Lama in whatever iteration he's in Got thrown out of the country essentially by the Chinese and you know, he's subject to arrest

32:54 And I think that's pretty much where it's just a religious thing more than anything. I mean, that's now I'm gonna get the died No, I don't want any email from anybody. Okay, this is the whole point. It's hanging over the freeway free Tibet free Tibet They're telling me to free to but what am I supposed to do? But that's my point. What is going on with Tibet? I mean Richard Gere hangs out with a Dalai Lama. I mean what's going on? Wait, let me just Google this. What is the hey, let's try it deal is the deal with Tibet let's see what we come up with I misspelled the okay Oh Top hit here we go answers dot yahoo.com. Okay. Let's check it out. What is the deal? Yeah, there's there's a source of information here it is the question was

33:40 This is your internet at work. What is the deal with Tibet? Did China overthrow them? Or has it always been a part of China? Is it boycott the Olympics? Huh? Tibet is to China as Taiwan is to China. That's the first answer. Both are independent and would rather be left alone. Yeah, that's not even close to being accurate. Taiwan has always been a part of China. Not according to the Taiwanese. It was Formosa for a while. I think before, I mean if you go back far enough, the island I think was, I don't know, well again, you know, you used to know this stuff when I used to go back and forth a lot, but I haven't been to China or Taiwan for a while, but as far as I know, of course again, I'm gonna get some, yeah, I don't wanna get into this because there's so many people out here with a political agenda regarding- I'm a little disappointed, John. And then you're just gonna get a bunch of nasty email. Yeah, but I'm a little disappointed. Forget the emails, okay? So you don't know is the answer.

34:36 That's okay. I don't know either, but it's like this place. Let me just see how big is it? First of all, it's up really high 16 000 feet. So no one wants to live there in the first place. You can't breathe. There's no air. Referred to as the roof of the i'm looking at wikipedia now the roof of the world It doesn't say how many people live. I just don't understand it. I mean It has to be that I guess they're just trying to It must be a boycott the Olympics Chinese or bad. This has to do with the Olympics They're trying to be everybody's trying to embarrass China right now because you know they have a bone to pick they've gotten nowhere before and now they got this Olympics thing and China's Banking on it to prove that they're cool, right? Let them have the Olympics blame the Olympic Committee not me I didn't agree um I wasn't voting so I wasn't asked

35:28 So it's all about money. The whole Olympics is all about cash, man. But anyway, give them your email address, Adam, so the free-to-bet folks can send you... Yes, it's john at Dvorak dot org slash blog ltd inc. A Delaware corporation. I know you're chicken. The Wikipedia page is so... John, it's like there's more information on this page. It goes on for like I've been scrolling for the past two minutes here. What does that have to do with tell me it's something with oil or something man? That's got it. There's got to be something more important than Just turf. Well, I guess there's nothing more important important. I think that they just don't like the Chinese Here we go. There's a couple million six million. Okay, I'm sorry six million six million. All right, that's not that that's that's significant

36:25 Hmm all right, so I don't know I just thought you'd know what the hell is going on No, I know I know is that they want me to free Tibet when I drive under the freeway overpass and I got nothing to do with it How can we help from Tibet to be free? What do we do boycott the Olympics? Is that it don't watch well? You know the thing that gets me is that there's you know Tibet is a very spiritual country And there you know they believe in all kinds of different things and it seems to me And I would say this was with especially with the meditators out there if they why don't they just? Kind of will it to happen because they have all these you know these meditative skills and spiritual connections to the outside world Won't they just will China out of existence? Yeah? Gee that's a good point

37:11 I'm just saying, you know, they can do this. This reminds me of the, you know, I drive around, you drive around Berkeley, they say psychic fair. And it has the, I think of it, you know, if everybody's so psychic, why would they have to put a sign up? Yeah, go bet on the lotto, you're done. You don't have to do anything. Psychic fare. Yeah. Well, did you know I was you know, I was want to go in and I want to expect everyone to know I was coming, you know, and never get that. He is John C. DeVore from the blog. I don't know. That was the German psychic fare. I just took you to. Yeah. Hey, big revelation, man.

37:49 Big, big, big revelation. Steve Case was in Flock of Seagulls? Are you fucking kidding me? What? You couldn't hear it. Well, I know I could hear it, but it's something about Steve Case and this guy who sounded like he was just let out of the insane asylum. He was laughing. He was listening to the conversation where I said that I thought Steve Case was in Flock of Seagulls. That is pretty funny. I guess he's not. I'm so sure. It made so much sense. From being a flock of seagulls. So I have a list that I wrote yesterday morning because we were supposed to do this show yesterday and I've already forgotten what these topics are about but I should read it. Oh, another John C. Dvorak list everybody. I'll see if I can decipher it. Here we go. Okay, well this one here I do remember. Wave auto dish washing gel.

38:44 Wave auto dish washing gel Okay, so a number of months back Costco had there's this there's this product called wave and it's a well biodegradable ultra organic, you know dish washing gel as opposed to electrosol and And so you use this stuff, this stuff, then they were selling it for next to nothing, so I bought a bunch of it. Because it was like three of them for a dollar or something. And then they also had the Wave clothes washing detergent.

39:22 So I use the dishwashing gel, it won't take anything off of a dish. It's not because it's environmentally friendly twice as expensive and half as effective is perfect. It doesn't do anything but the clothes washing stuff is good. But you know what you know tight is. What do you use? For the dishwashing? Yeah I'd like to know dishwashing and then for the clothes. Dishwashing first. Well for the dishwashing I use Electrosol. I try to use the liquid but because I don't... What's Electrosol? Is that a brand name or is that a type of... Yeah, yeah it's a brand name. Oh, okay. And there's another name. It doesn't make any of the good ones, but I think it's Electrosol is the one I use the most. I like those little pillows that they have now. You just put that in, it's like... Yeah, I don't like those. Well, I love those. Those work great. Yeah, it just seems like a hokey idea. You're a powder guy.

40:15 For people who can't measure, I guess. Now for dish washing, years and years ago I went and gave a speech to some group and it was either Colgate, Paul Molliv or Procter & Gamble people. And I got into a discussion with these guys about detergents. And the guys made it very clear to me that what happened with all these environmental laws that passed that took the phosphates out of, if you remember, out of detergents because it was making too much weird stuff grow in the water. Once those were removed, he says that all the powdered detergents for washing your clothes were useless unless you bought some from Mexico or someplace where they still left the phosphates in. But they found substitutes for all these detergents, but none of them could be made into flakes.

41:10 That's when the liquid detergent started to show up on the market more and more. And it turns out then the guys with no uncertain terms, I tell people this too, no uncertain terms says do not buy powdered clothes detergents because it's got nothing going for it. It's feeble. But the liquid stuff is still as good as it's ever been, but the reason that it's liquid is because some of these chemicals cannot be, you know, the detergent was made so you could dry it out and then you could flake it and make it into a... But the liquid stuff is chemicals that you can't do that with. So that's why it's an... So it wasn't just a marketing exercise, it was actually the other way around, where a client comes in and says, we've got to go to liquid.

41:52 Right no it was not it was it was done for practical reasons, but the public generally doesn't know this and they still buy the powder I don't buy powder man. I'm liquid all the way anyway, so that's on that list so that was just a bitch about this dishwasher Then I would go let me go there down the rest of the list top of the list tongue Tongue as in something you ate or something you received tongue or are they over the weekend? Okay? How was it? You know, I hadn't cooked it for about 25 years because I used to cook it every so often. And I didn't realize how long you have to cook it. It's a serious piece of meat. I mean, a proper tongue can, you know, how many ounces is that?

42:34 It's pretty big, but it's like the point I think was like two pounds or something like three pounds maybe. Yeah, but the thing was it, you know, was it just, I didn't cook it long, even though the recipe is very, because I'm trying to remind myself how I did it before and so I cooked it for an hour and 15 minutes, which is just a joke. How did you cook it? Did you? I boiled tons. Boiled, yeah, okay. now But then you but after the boiling you take it out and what you just sear it or you just serve it come on No, no, you don't have to you just pull off the skin and then you slice it thin and put some like the various kinds of maybe sauces on like a tomato sauce I like tomato sauce to be good. But anyway the so I left it if I put it back in there and cooked it for another 10 hours and Then it was good, but it was too late, you know because you know the dried out by this probably I

43:22 So that's my tongue story. Was it, before you continue, was it from one of your named animals? Did this come from the big freezer? No. Oh, you just bought tongue off the rack? It came from the Chinese, Branch 99 places. We're only pitching a tongue now, it's in a Chinese butcher. Off the rack, disappointed. Well, I just wanted to get the recipe down. Next time we order an animal, I'm going to make sure we get the tongue and then I'll cook it right. Was it a good tongue? You sure it wasn't a tongue malfunction? I was thinking that was a possibility, but then after having cooked it another 10 hours, I realized it was me, not the tongue. Okay. Next on your list of jolly notes. Which was Obama, which we talked about. I did get that. Yeah. And here's one that's interesting. I wrote this down. Glassware mess. Glassware mess. It's like carnac. Well, yeah, glassware mess. What is... I give up.

44:24 Glassware mess. So I'm looking in my cabinet and I realized this when I was visiting somebody recently and I think there's two types of personalities in the world. Okay. One of them, you know, just has a, if you open up their cupboard, you find all kinds of glass. I have like, you know, cups from, you know, from NetSuite, IBM, Microsoft. It's just a mess. The glassware is, I mean, I do have sets of wine glasses, but they're mixed in with a bunch of half, you know, a set that's half broken. I kept the one glass because it was one of my favorites. So I got a glass, you know, original crystal from someplace. This is one piece left and it gets chipped. Anyway, so the whole cabinet, I was at somebody's house,

43:22 So that's my tongue story. Was it, before you continue, was it from one of your named animals? Did this come from the big freezer? No. Oh, you just bought tongue off the rack? It came from the Chinese, Branch 99 places. We're only pitching a tongue now, it's in a Chinese butcher. Off the rack, disappointed. Well, I just wanted to get the recipe down. Next time we order an animal, I'm going to make sure we get the tongue and then I'll cook it right. Was it a good tongue? You sure it wasn't a tongue malfunction? I was thinking that was a possibility, but then after having cooked it another 10 hours, I realized it was me, not the tongue. Okay. Next on your list of jolly notes. Which was Obama, which we talked about. I did get that. Yeah. And here's one that's interesting. I wrote this down. Glassware mess. Glassware mess. It's like carnac. Well, yeah, glassware mess. What is... I give up.

44:24 Glassware mess. So I'm looking in my cabinet and I realized this when I was visiting somebody recently and I think there's two types of personalities in the world. Okay. One of them, you know, just has a, if you open up their cupboard, you find all kinds of glass. I have like, you know, cups from, you know, from NetSuite, IBM, Microsoft. It's just a mess. The glassware is, I mean, I do have sets of wine glasses, but they're mixed in with a bunch of half, you know, a set that's half broken. I kept the one glass because it was one of my favorites. So I got a glass, you know, original crystal from someplace. This is one piece left and it gets chipped. Anyway, so the whole cabinet, I was at somebody's house,

45:06 And I opened their cabinet up to get a glass and I noticed that they had, you know, it was kind of neat, they had kind of the matching glassware and then there was a bunch of crap just like mine. And then you go to somebody's house and you open the cabinet and all the glasses and cups are all aligned, all perfectly right. And they're all matched. And there's no odd bit of anything. balls, there's no screwball ones, there's no commemorative glasses, there's none from the winery, there's none of the cups that you get at work, there's nothing but something that you bought, and I'm thinking, what is the difference, and is it better to go, because I hate the fact that I have this mess of glassware, but I can't bring myself to throwing away these valuable cups. What do you have? I get the feeling you have an organized

45:50 Cups all from the same, you all look the same and all the glasses look the same. You would be severely disappointed or perhaps you'd be very happy. I don't know. We are exactly the same as you. You open up our cupboard and it's... the problem... well not the problem is we've gotten lots of beautiful silverware which was wedding gifts. Crystal you name it what we do is we use it so we just put it on the shelf with all the other stuff and dude you were talking about your you know I still have a mug from WITB FM which is the college station. No you can't it's indestructible it also won't break When we moved to New York we stayed in the Mayflower Hotel for the first I think six weeks that we were in New York and then we got an apartment and we still have

46:40 glasses from the Mayflower Hotel. The kinds they bring you in kind of these New York mid-range, mid to upper range hotels that just that indestructible glassware. You know, it's the one they have the plastic over. It's usually a water glass that they put the plastic over when they bring it up on the little trolley. We must have still five of those and I know we had 10 or 15. You stole glasses from the hotel? Yeah, and sheets, everything. Sheets, glasses. Actually, the maid gave it to Patricia. She's like, here, take all this. I won't tell anyone. Because we'd been living there for like six weeks, you know. But I wonder if that's just a different type of... I bet you people who have that type of glassware, that type of setup, or everything all neat in the cupboard, they have probably other neatness traits throughout their home and other spots, I would bet.

47:34 Well, I'm reminded of a friend of mine who will go nameless who lives down in Woodside. But there's a bunch, I know a lot of people that live in Woodside, which is one of the ritzier communities on the West Coast. John Doar. John Doar lives in Woodside, doesn't he? It's about John Doar. There we go. Okay. I think John Doar lives in San Francisco to be honest about it. No, no, no. I think he lives in, no, I think he lives in Woodside. Last time I, well he might, but the last time I looked, I know for a fact he lived in San Francisco. Well, let me go look at my Christmas card from John and the family. I'll be right back. Okay. Just kidding. So whatever, whatever the case is, they're a friend of mine. And the house, and you run into these houses too, which is, of course, this is like embarrassing. I mean, I'd actually maybe prefer what I'm gonna describe to what I have, which is an unsightly mess that needs serious, you know, I need a dumpster to be able to survive. You're like an eBay warehouse, essentially. Well, it's just ridiculous. But I mean, it's just, you know, I got other things on my, I have other things on my mind rather than picking up the pen that's on the floor.

48:34 Do you put empty cartons back into the fridge as well? You know I used to but I don't anymore. When did you stop doing that when you were 30? Something like that yeah. I think when recycling became in because I have a bin you have a place to put it. But isn't it great you do that and it would automatically wind up in the trash? You ever notice that? That's amazing to me. I love a fridge like that. So anyway, so I go to this guy's house and I swear to God you were in the Four Seasons. The place had Four Seasons decorations, it was professionally decorated. And the professional decorators do the Four Seasons and then they do people's homes. And the home is like being in the Four Seasons and it's not the most comfortable place and the most nice kitchen. You can sit around a perfect table and eat something but it's like, I find it peculiar.

49:28 People who do that you mean I've known people I love this in South Jersey Patricia I used to go hang out a lot There were a couple of guys there and they were having some minor success producing some rock bands You know when Jersey was really South Jersey particularly was really hot with Bon Jovi and Skid Row and those guys And we go down there and so they were all near Tom's River. Have you ever been down there? Tom's River area? Never. Okay. So, you know, you go to their house and so, you know, of course they have some shack and that's a studio but their house and they've got, you know, their moms live in there, of course, but then there's a mom's mom and then a

50:06 Pastor Frank father Frank stops by you know the the local priest and there and the Italians as well So there's always lots of food and but their interior they literally went to I'm thinking What's the name of Levitt's Levitt's furniture and just said I'll take the whole thing including the mirror that you have up there and that fake plant for the table I'll take the whole thing and they literally put that into the living room as it was in the showroom and It's easy for people, they don't have to think about it. That makes sense. Well, whatever the case is, I find it distressing to walk into the Four Seasons in someone's home.

50:51 I don't know. Well, you've never been to my home, so we have elements of both. We have, uh... Well, you've got the money. You've got the money. Yeah, but... I think that makes a difference. It doesn't make any difference. No, it makes all the difference in the world. In fact, if you like contemporary design and architecture, you don't need any money. You just need, like, you know, some bricks. Look at modern architecture, man. Have you ever seen these wash basins? They look like a trough. Well, you know the one that gets me is not that washbasin that looks like the trough but the trendier one which is the bowl that's the sink. And the bowl is on it like a piece of granite and it's glued down there and as soon as I look at those things and even though I'm not a neat freak by any means I think, how do you clean the bottom? Around the bottom of that thing it's gonna collect grime and dirt and goo and God knows what. You're never gonna get it out. Why would you want this?

51:48 I don't know, but it's what everybody wants. It's all this... You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, of course I do. It looks like a salad bowl sitting there in your bathroom. Exactly! It's like, what is a salad bowl doing in my bathroom? It looks really nifty with all that glass and metal though, doesn't it? Yeah, if you don't use it. And they splashed. There's this hotel in London. Oh, I hate that. Yeah, the Sanderson. And check this out. So when we announced our deal with British Telecom, we did it in the Sanderson. BT really wanted to do it there. It's a very hip place. But, you know, it's one of these like 700 pound a night jobbies, right? With salad bowls in the bathroom. But not just that. It had an egg, John. There was an egg about twice the size of my head just sitting in the room, in the middle of the room. An egg.

52:38 Just an egg? Just an egg, yeah. Was it made of marble? Yes! Well, whatever stone it was, yeah, you could trip over it all the time and you could barely move the thing. But it's like, why? You know, what is this? Salad bowls, eggs? I'm supposed to make my own salad nicoise while I'm up here? So anyway, I have run into those salad bowls that were set up so if you hit them, you turn on the faucet, you don't know how powerful it is, it hits the bowl in such a way it comes up in a ladder and it soaks you. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, that's uh, you know Ron has a place like that in Miami. That's what is he has a condo which he spent an enormous amount of time effort and money putting together and it's all like that you walk in and everything's white or black or I guess it's granite. Do you have to take your shoes off?

53:29 No. That's another thing. I know people where you have to take your shoes off. Well, you know, you do in general. In our house, everyone takes their shoes off. That's very Dutch. You know, it used to be you take your wooden shoes off at the front door and then you'd either walk on your on your socks or most people have a whole array of slippers and you just choose, you know, just choose a pair that happens to be laying around or your designated a pair very much like I guess some Asian countries. But that's I don't know any different then even if I go into someone else's home, I actually want to take my shoes off because it's very customary. You obviously don't. Not in your own home. No. No, in fact, if you don't have your shoes on, you risk damage. Because of the pen laying around that you were too... Oh, the pen. There's a bunch of power supplies. You can kick one of them and man, that hurts.

54:22 I got you know dude on my next trip out. I want to come to your Casa. I want to see your place Yeah, I want to see your place. It'll be fun. Yeah, my wife wouldn't put up with it So because she knows now that you just come over to ridicule no now That's not true, and I haven't met your wife either which of course is outrageous nor have you seen my home or met my what maybe it's better that way yeah, it could be so But I would like to you have a lot who don't really you have that stove I do want to visit your place to cook on that thing. I've always wanted to cook on it. Yeah the aga Yeah, people listen in here. You should go check it out on the internet aga It's a weird stove that has you have to learn a whole different way of cooking to even use the thing Anyway, let's go back to my list You know that's not entirely true that you have to learn a whole new way of cooking to learn how to use the aga Okay

55:16 I don't have one so I don't know but that's what I read somewhere. Aga.com. A-G-A dot com. Maybe you can get a free one by plugging them. Yeah, that's what I need. Another 2,000 pound cast iron stove in my life. That's what I need. Yes. Back to the list. Argentine ants. Okay, I heard you earlier say you were killing ants so I have to think it's related to you have ants in your pants. There's ants all over the place. The problem with California, of course, is we have ants. And there are a lot of people who realize that the ants that have taken over California some decades ago are called Argentine ants and they're from South America. And they're little guys, they don't bite, they're not a problem. But the weird thing about them is that

56:05 They're a collective and it's the only ant breed that if I'm an ant in hive in an ant hole number 45, you know, five blocks from here, and somebody comes and flushes out the ant hole and kills all the ants except me, I can wander over and just join a different group. Oh, so they're intersocial? Yeah, and so they don't kill each other like a lot of these ants. Oh this ant is not from our group. Let's kill him Which makes the ants even more annoying now? How did they get here if they're Argentine or does that just the name? They just correct no I think they just correct here You know they think either somebody brought him up in an ant farm or or they work their way up I mean are they destructive do they do they eat through stuff or they just make a mess I

56:52 No, they, you know, like all ants, they clean up the fact, you know, if you get a crumb somewhere, they find it and take it with them. Or if there's a drop of oil, you know, if they're in the oil eating mood, either in a sugar eating mood or an oil eating mood, depends on the time of the year. But the problem is when you run into, what you want to do is you want to have them attack something. So you leave like a chicken bone out or something in the sink and you hope that they go for it. And then you let it build long enough so you can see where the heck they're coming in. Then you take a vacuum cleaner and you wipe them all out and find that spot and spray it. Oh, handy extermination tips from John C. Dvorak. Well, it's kind of embarrassing if somebody sees this line of ants. But the thing that's interesting is that for some reason over the last few weeks, I just have random ants. They're looking around. They're scouts. But I can't figure out where they're coming from. They show up and there's an ant on the counter and there he goes. And I smash him and hope maybe another ant sees him smashed and takes back the message that the ants are being smashed. Bad place, yeah.

57:53 Don't want to go hang out. Yeah, have they moved your pen yet, or is that not? The pan I picked it up a minute ago. You know It's just staying on the on the ant story on animals. You know a news story on Aol news dot aol.com caught my eye have you noticed that there's a lot of really big marine life coming to the surface as of late? Well, there's a lot of dead areas now in the oceans too, which is really distressing. Well... You read about that? Well, no, but I am seeing an 11-foot shark. I'm seeing a gigantic starfish. I'm seeing huge squid. I'm seeing jellyfish that are like twice the size of a human being. You know, what is happening?

56:52 No, they, you know, like all ants, they clean up the fact, you know, if you get a crumb somewhere, they find it and take it with them. Or if there's a drop of oil, you know, if they're in the oil eating mood, either in a sugar eating mood or an oil eating mood, depends on the time of the year. But the problem is when you run into, what you want to do is you want to have them attack something. So you leave like a chicken bone out or something in the sink and you hope that they go for it. And then you let it build long enough so you can see where the heck they're coming in. Then you take a vacuum cleaner and you wipe them all out and find that spot and spray it. Oh, handy extermination tips from John C. Dvorak. Well, it's kind of embarrassing if somebody sees this line of ants. But the thing that's interesting is that for some reason over the last few weeks, I just have random ants. They're looking around. They're scouts. But I can't figure out where they're coming from. They show up and there's an ant on the counter and there he goes. And I smash him and hope maybe another ant sees him smashed and takes back the message that the ants are being smashed. Bad place, yeah.

57:53 Don't want to go hang out. Yeah, have they moved your pen yet, or is that not? The pan I picked it up a minute ago. You know It's just staying on the on the ant story on animals. You know a news story on Aol news dot aol.com caught my eye have you noticed that there's a lot of really big marine life coming to the surface as of late? Well, there's a lot of dead areas now in the oceans too, which is really distressing. Well... You read about that? Well, no, but I am seeing an 11-foot shark. I'm seeing a gigantic starfish. I'm seeing huge squid. I'm seeing jellyfish that are like twice the size of a human being. You know, what is happening?

58:40 I don't know. I think it needs to be looked into. Well, and also that, you know, there's all these strange creatures coming up from the depth. It's like, it's, you know, I gotta show you this picture. I should send this to you. There's a guy, where is he? Maybe a life-threatening volcano is about to blow. Well, so here's this guy, Karl Smolinski. And he's in Germany, in Eberswalde. He bred a 20 pound rabbit, John. You should see this thing. Guys hold it around him like a fucking dog. This is like a bogus story that was on the internet. No, it's not. It's just a guy holding that big phony baloney rabbit that's been photoshopped. Come on. No, that's AOL, man. It's news. It's true. It can't be false. That looks real.

59:25 You can do that is what photoshop is good for looks real and the Thai catfish 646 pounds. Well, that's that's pretty crazy 23 pound lobster. Oh, man What's going on? Are these just the granddaddies that are now coming up for the surface because there's a reason to Cheney this because of Cheney Because of the brotherhood is coming to get him Yeah for real What did I see Chaney on? I saw Chaney on, uh... He was being asked something. His response was so. Yeah, it was like it was about the Iraq war, wasn't it? It was a whole slew of things. It was actually a poorly worded question, but she went on and on this woman asking Cheney about this, that and the other thing. He said, no, just the deaths of the civilians and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Cheney looks at her and smirks and goes, so. So? I don't care what people think. They're not the boss of me. That's literally the way it sounded.

1:00:29 I know. Oh my goodness. That guy's a... that guy's a... something. Alright, back to my list. I'm sorry. There's more. But wait. But wait. Vasectomies. That must have been for your list of items to discuss on Twit. That surely was not for this program. I can note Adam is funny. Thank you 910 oh 310 oh 3 I finally got it out. That's right after 61 minutes We got a joke. What are the topics on twit today, man? Do you know what they are yet? No, you know I don't even look at the topics until I do the show

1:01:11 That's why people listen, by the way. I'm convinced. So I'll give you my analysis, then we'll get back to your list of vasectomy. First of all, you're an interesting guy. You're interesting to listen to. And you have a lot of experience, certainly more than I have, in a very diverse number of fields. And I think that people hear that when they listen to Twit. I certainly always have, or Cranky Geeks. And they just want to hear more. You know, it's kind of like, I'm going to sit on, you know, Grandpa John's lap and I'm going to listen to some fun, cool stories. Let me tell you kids, when I was a kid, they didn't have rocks. Except in our soup!

1:01:53 That's why that's why I get older so nothing wrong with it so what happened with twit you go to delicious DL ICIO dot US slash twit and that's the list of news stories that we talk about And anyone can go look at the list you don't have to listen to the show mmm delicious slash slash twit Yes, last wit. Okay. D. E. You know how to d.e. dot you don't have to do that I found out you can just do Delishio.us and it works. Oh, that's the hardest URL to remember Well, it's always you're always bringing it down as a D.E.L.I. No, it's D.E.L.I.C.I.O. dot US. Yeah, that's it. All right. So vasectomies not interestingly not in the twit tags on delicious

1:02:45 So anyway, I was listening to this comic, Doug Stanhope, which I'll make a copy of this off the HBO and give it to you next time you're in town. You should watch it. But anyway, he talks about how he had a vasectomy. He's kind of young for that, but whatever. But I had this book and it reminded me of this. I told people this. I can look at a guy and tell if he's had a vasectomy. Really? His face, the face. I'm not talking about you know. Okay, wait a minute. Let me just get this straight. Let me just get this straight. So amongst your many talents, and remember John has worked for oil companies, he's a master chef, he's a wine connoisseur, he's a technology expert, he used to hand deliver PC Magazine to all 30,000 subscribers. Roller tube. Not only that, but you can tell just by looking at a guy's face whether he's had a vasectomy or not.

1:03:38 Yeah, okay now how I got clued into this let me back up a little bit. Oh, please do I had this I had oops ouch the backed up too far so I had this book and I just irked to no end that I've lost this book, although I think I might be able to find it in one of the library searches that Google and Microsoft are doing. I think it's still around. It was a book done in the 20s. And in the 1920s, it was a book on health. In the 1920s, vasectomies were used as a way of making people look more youthful. It was actually a, it wasn't for birth control. It was done, which I,

1:04:16 It was done for the purposes of, like instead of a facelift, you'd get a vasectomy. And it would make you look younger, and they showed all these pictures in this book. And I looked at these pictures, and I looked at enough of them, and then I knew enough guys who had vasectomies that I looked at them, and I could see what it does. It makes, for some reason, and I talk to people about this, well, they say it makes no sense because all it does is this and that. How could it do what you're describing? I'm just saying, in the 20s, Vasectomies were used as a youth serum. People get a vasectomy and they look younger by a little bit, but in fact they didn't look younger, they looked different. And it makes your face a little puffier and a little more, it's a little softer. It's kind of hard to describe, but I'm telling you the truth. I have seen

1:05:02 And I've actually done this with friends that have had vexectomies and just without, I just look at them and say, you've had a vexectomy, right? And the guy says, 99% of the time I'm right. Wow. Let me think how to respond here for a second, John. It's impossible. Well that's interesting. I would certainly buy that. I'm thinking there must be some kind of chemical reaction or balance shift that takes place. Well definitely some hormonal change takes place I suppose that causes this youthful look. But it's not really youthful. It's just it looks to me it's always a it's a kind of a it does I don't like the look of that that look it doesn't look right.

1:05:44 Have you ever considered a vasectomy? No, no I never. I go with the theory that, you know, what happens if I'm the last guy on earth? You know, that kind of thing. It's unlikely. But I always say, I always say, what happens if I meet Angelina Jolie? Baby, she can't, we don't want to go to Africa. I want to give her a real kid. Well, she apparently doesn't want your kid. Or anybody else's from what I can tell. No, she's pregnant right now. What are you talking about? Oh, is she? Yeah, yeah, she's pregnant. I'm sorry, Angelina. Who does listen, of course. We encounter amongst our treasure trove of listeners. You know, I don't think I would ever consider a vasectomy, but I can consider the headline, you know, vasectomy, the new Botox for guys. I could see that.

1:06:28 Yeah, I gotta dig this reference up because I keep bringing up people think I'm just, I must have dreamed it, but it's not true. This health book was quite interesting as a matter of fact and I'm just sick that I lost it. It was all this crazy stuff from the 20s. Yeah, well, you know, it was in the 1800s that women would go to the doctor. 1800s and 1900s. I'm sorry, it's probably early 1900s. Women would go to the doctor and the doctor had all kinds of, let's call them tools, that he would use on his patient, because basically what they needed was just one massive orgasm and the doctor would go take care of it. You see in a lot of popular culture throughout the years and certainly the wild west, the doctor is usually a very stunning, dapper young man. Either that or he's a really old guy.

1:07:20 But he's usually a dapper, stunning single guy and all the women in town love him. There's all kinds of stuff that I'm sure you can do to your body that will change how you feel or how you look. Getting laid helps, apparently. So anyway, so that's my vasectomy thing. I just came up and I was just thinking about it. And then I was noticing this comic, although he actually had just barely had the look, he's a little young. And so when you're really young and you already look young, it's not, it's when people are in their late 50s or I guess in their 50s that is more noticeable.

1:07:56 And I've actually run into a bunch of guys who are older and they had their three kids and they're gonna have the vasectomy because the wife wants, I always think there's something sick about that by the way, the wife wants it. The wife wants it? Yeah, that doesn't sound very healthy. The wife wants a can, maybe cut your balls off, tell you why she's at it. Give you a fucking tube to piss out of, here. So the guy has the thing, and I've actually talked to him, I've talked to him, why? I've never been able to talk anybody out of getting one. But whatever, if people want to do it, fine. What difference does it make to me? Anyway, next on the list. Dogs eat scraps. Dogs eat scraps. You have a dog? I've got a bunch of dogs. Okay, I would say it's probably related to that then. They eat the tongue, is that it? They had to eat that gnarly tongue you made?

1:08:49 I had a little, yeah, actually they did. The tongue was, I kept the tongue in the big pot, chopped it up, threw in a bunch of rice and some pasta and stuff, and just cooked it, cooked it until the rice filled, soaked up everything, and the dogs ended up with it. The dogs eat scraps. There was a story about how some, there's some dog hotel where they feed dogs three meals a day and it's like, you know. Oh yeah, one of those, yeah. I had a dog, one of my dogs had to have an operation so I took the dog to the vet and they had to cut up growth off the dog.

1:09:25 And I mentioned this to the vet who was kind of surprised because they have all these expensive dog foods. We rarely feed our dog dog food except when you're really, you know, can't produce enough scraps. It's not good for them too. It's too salty. There's all kinds of crap in there. Who knows what's in there? Half of it's dog. Dog, horse and other stuff. So anyway, so I had an American Eskimo, also known as a Spitz, mean little white dog that lived to be 25. And the two keys to his long life were one, scraps, and he didn't get a lot of exercise.

1:10:07 You are the ASPCA's dream, my friend. You are the poster child right there. Feed your dog scraps and don't walk him. He'll live forever. Did he move at all? Did he bark? He had a yard. I mean, you know, he could do what he wanted. But the fact of the matter is he lived to be 25. Yeah, our pets last a long time too. We have one dog left now. After that, no more dogs we've decided because it's just too much of a responsibility for traveling and stuff. And our Yorkie is now 15 and still alive and kicking. And of course, it's not even a dog really.

1:10:44 Yorkies have got, you got another five years on it? No, no, no, no. Yorkies don't last that long, man. They're like 12, 13 years. No, Yorkies are very short. This is our second Yorkie, if you can believe it. How old did the other one go? He went to about, yeah, I think it was about 11 or 12. We had a cat that I had when I was a bachelor. He was 24. Wow. Yeah, we had to put him down. He wouldn't die to give him two shots. I'm not kidding. His heart wouldn't stop. It was... Oh man, I loved him. His name was Dickhead. He was fantastic. Well, you should have stuffed him. You know, it's funny you say that.

1:11:24 We were watching, it was Friday night with Jonathan Ross, it's a big talk show, once a week, Friday evening here. And they had that German guy on. In fact, he had a series which I think was on in the States as well where he He basically deconstructs the human anatomy and now he's doing art and he's figured out some process where he'll take human organs and so he actually strips the skin off but he'll leave the muscle tissue intact and it plastifies it or whatever it is. It becomes plastic and hard and it doesn't decay any further.

1:11:59 And Patricia's sitting there, she's going like, that's fantastic. That's what you have to do with me when I die. And then you can put me in the corner. I said, yeah, I'll have you bent over. I'm in the permanent bent over position. She said, yeah, that's no problem. Just keep me like that. That's kind of spooky. It's totally creepy. But you can do that with your animals. Better than stuff. I don't like this. I don't like stuffing. That doesn't feel right. Yeah, if you've ever seen Taxidermy, it just like, bleh, kind of creeps me out. Well, what does, I don't know. Um, okay, back to the list. You still have more on this list. You want me to stop? Yeah, let's do an intermezzo.

1:12:47 It's about you, okay? So don't worry. Hey, Adam, Chris here from Seattle and I have a comment for you for the No Agenda show. I just can't believe how cavalierly you and John throw things out and then never make mention of any details. One of which being, John owns a deli in Washington State. Would I like to go to that? Hell yes. Would I like to go see what a cranky geek does in his deli? Oh, absa-frickin-lutely. So I just wondered if you could let us know where that is so we can patronize John at, or patronize him. Joey, we'd love to go there. What is it? Okay, love the show. Okay, John, if you want people to patronize you. It's basically a spice shop and it's in Port Angeles, Washington on, I think, Front or whatever street. Where's one of those business cards? I have a cool business card, by the way. Amongst all your many business cards, John, of all your entrepreneurial endeavors.

1:13:42 It's a cool business card because I gave myself, my wife runs it. I gave myself, and she's become a spice nut. And we've got some wild stuff. We're bringing in stuff from Ethiopia now. We're gonna put up a website that lets people experiment because some of these spices, you obviously, I don't know what they use them for, but I figure that you have some use. And fusion has never really gone from Africa into French cuisine. It's always, let's mix Japanese with French and let's mix Chinese with Italian. but nobody's ever thought of going to Ethiopia, so we have all these spices and by the way some of the best spice purveyors in the world are out of London. We have to have the stuff brought in from England. Well hold on a second John, let me just interrupt you. What are you now? A deli or a spice shop and what is the difference? It's a deli because it has a sandwich shop and you can buy deli stuff but it's essentially, but a real orientation is toward these screwball spices from all over the place and I'm telling you some of the stuff is and we also I think have one of the, she recently picked up

1:14:40 I think one of the best Herbes de Provence mixes I've ever had, even in France. Unbelievable. Nice. So you want me to bring some stuff over next time? I can make a short little hop to anywhere in London. I can pick something up for you. Maybe. It has to be wholesale and it has to be large amounts. If you think you're having trouble getting into the country now, come in with a bunch of marjoram and see how well you do. I'm telling you it's for cooking dude, really. It's not for smoking. But while we're talking about it, let me give it a shot. So, okay. All right, back to your list. Okay. Santoku. I think that's the name of it. Santoku. Santoku Ross, actually. That would be a wine?

1:15:26 No, it's a knife. It's just as I'm not even sure I'm pronouncing it right, but it's that's crazy-looking Japanese knife That's got kind of the bend at the top. It's really flat. Oh Yeah, it's a competitor to a French chef's knife and people are using them all the time now for just general cooking and so I was at Ross which is a discount place and they carry a bunch of housewares and they had these kinshi kitchen aide Santoku knives that was actually pretty nice and there were $12 and So I saw the exact same knife in one of the, it actually was in an outlet mall for one of the big brands, and it was the exact same knife and it was discounted to $85. And so I'm thinking, and this knife is good, and it rings, it's sharp, and so I'm thinking, you know, how much of this, what kind of markup are we dealing with? And it was finally brought home with, this is another thing, it's kind of embarrassing and the kids hate it, and my wife isn't a big fan, but I go to the dollar,

1:16:20 cheap, the original kind, not the chain of dollar stores, but there's like the real mom and pop dollar stores. There's one in El Cerrito, California that is run by Chinese right out of Taiwan. And it's like everything's a dollar. That's why I would go. It's still a dollar. You can still buy all the products for a dollar. So I go in there and there's these really big handles, thick blades, steak knives, two of them. And there's a big old French steak knife style, two of them for a dollar, 50 cents a piece. So I said, well this is gonna be my steak knives, because I'm looking for steak knives all the time. So I buy eight, 10 of them.

1:16:58 So within, I don't know, within the last year, I go to this place, it was another one, it was Williams and Sonoma or some place, it wasn't them, but it was one of these kinds of places. They had the exact same knife, obviously from China, and they were like, there was a set of four for $24. So how much of this do you think is going on? I'm dealing with a 50 cent product that they're making money on. I think it's all around us, man. I think it's everything. You walk across the street and there's the same 50 cent item that they're making money on it, 50 cents, selling for what? Six, five bucks? Well, probably what happened is all these companies that were selling knives switched their production to China and obviously didn't lower the prices. It just got cheap, I think.

1:17:56 Do they work? Do they snap off right there? No, these knives are absolutely outstanding. Oh, you know where I found the one, I found one copy of these of this Santoku knife at Target, which does bring all their stuff. And for the chance, the exact same knife as this KitchenAid one I paid 12 bucks for exactly the same. And only it had some brand on it. And I'm not going to remember which brand it was, but it was one of the big boys, one of the German knife companies. And it was like this knife was 80 bucks. Well, that's what brand does for you. I mean, what do you think about clothing? Yeah, that's what brand does for you. It takes your money. Yeah, well, thank you. Have you seen the branded clothes kids wear today? You know, Abercrombie and Fitch. Do you think that's worth $250? That, you know, a sweater? No. It's only because it has Abercrombie on it. That's what brand is. I just have it on the list because I felt like it was something to complain about. Okay.

1:18:51 I'm telling you, this 50 cent knife, I average of course now, because I'm looking like a cheap tightwad. But every time I bring the knife, unfortunately every time I bring the knife out at a dinner and somebody's there, I have to go through the story. You know, which I just... John, John, I understand. Can you shut up? I really understand. I really do. I'm like that with everything. When I know the actual price that it costs to get something onto the shelves, it pisses me off to pay, you know, a thousand percent premium on it. Absolutely. It's ridiculous. My wife's that way with the spices, by the way. We have a lot of, she brought in a bunch of, there's a bunch of bakers up in this neck of the woods, and so we brought in all these sprinkles, all these kind of crazy things people like to put on top of cupcakes. And we buy them by the 10 pounds at a pop. And it turns out that you buy those little bitty jars, and they're like three bucks.

1:19:42 You can buy like pounds of this stuff for three bucks. It's unbelievable. Yeah, have you ever tried hagelslag? That's the Dutch, what did they call them? Sprinkles or jimmies maybe they used to call them. It's little chocolate like rat turds, more like mouse turds really. Yeah, yeah we actually have those. In Holland, people in the morning, breakfast will consist of a piece of bread, spread butter on it and then spread these chocolate sprinkles over them and that's breakfast. They might do the same with cheese or have a couple of different ones. And I can get you tons of that stuff for next to nothing. Wanna buy some chocolate jimmies? I got tons of it. You know the thing that fascinates me about some of this craziness in that area of the world is if you have a hot dog in Denmark

1:20:36 They have this like crunchy, I think it's fried garlic or something that's in little pieces that you can dump on the dog. You know what I'm talking about? No, I've never been to Denmark actually. Well if you go to a hot dog stand in Copenhagen, they have these hot dog stands all over the place and they have these different condiments And one of them is this kind of, it looks like grape nuts, which is a cereal. But it's not grape nuts, it's little pieces of what I believe is a air-dried garlic. And it's very tasty, it's crunchy.

1:21:15 Well, I think in general the concept of what is a hot dog is understood differently by all different cultures. Even to what the actual dog part is. In fact, in some countries it is dog as far as I know. Maybe. Talking about this, now we got off this subject because we got to wrap this show up for God's sake. But since we're on that subject of hot dogs, if anybody goes to Toronto Toronto has some of the best street hot dogs in the world. Maybe, I think, far superior to New York. Maybe the best anywhere. And generally, last time I looked, at least, and I haven't been in Toronto for a number of years, but every time I go there, I always track down one of these carts, and they're carts just like in New York, they're all over the place. Shopsies was the big brand at the time.

1:22:07 And they have an inexpensive dog, it's a couple of dollars or a buck and a half it used to be, but now it's probably whatever, the exchange rate, and it's probably $50. But anyway, it's a big dog, and it's served on the same kind of a sesame, it's like a sesame or, I can't remember, I think it's a sesame roll that's got some yellow coloring, and so it's very rich looking. It's a high quality dog, but the interesting thing is that's what got me into using pep. They have their condiment rack, and one of the things they like to use is pepper rings, which by the way are almost impossible to get on the West Coast since we use jalapenos instead. But these pepper rings, and you just load up as if it was sauerkraut. You load up with these pepper rings, and it's just a delicious product. John, that is un-American. You need to stop doing that immediately.

1:23:04 Anyway, that's my hot dog thing. I'm a big fan of the street vendor the best street food I ever had was in Thailand. I'd have to say in up north in Chiang Mai There's just some in a minute in fact you eat everything on on the street in Thailand unless you're a real tourist staying in a hotel Everyone else just eats on the street. You know a little table set up God. I gotta go back there That was a lot of fun It's probably more crowded now. Not up north. No one goes up north. Although I was really disappointed. I remember we were doing, I was doing a documentary and part of the journey was up to Chiang Mai and then even higher Chiang Rai and that's where the Long Neck tribe is. You familiar with this tribe?

1:23:47 No. It's the women who have rings around their neck and their necks are really elongated because it's done at an early age. I'm sure you've seen the pictures. Yeah, you've seen pictures. Yeah, and there's all kinds of myths that if they take the rings off their necks would actually snap and stuff like that. I thought I heard that when I was a kid. So we're like, we're going to go visit them, right? And I'm like, okay. And that's this up near the Burmese border. So it's actually kind of that, you know, a relatively unstable area in general because of the opium trade. And, uh, You know, so we're in it's like, you know, from Shanghai, it was probably like a five or six hour journey by Volkswagen bus now on pretty much a non developed roads.

1:24:26 And I was like, wow, man, we're really going somewhere. We even had a police escort was gonna pick us up somewhere near the border and they were gonna carry on with us. And I'm like, this is some place that not a lot of people go to. And then all of a sudden we stop and there's this billboard, not just a sign, but like a billboard. And it said, Longnecks this way, with a big arrow pointed towards the road. I'm like, okay, I have a feeling it's gonna be a little different than I expected. That was for beer though, wasn't it? Get you some Bud Longnecks. You know we bought the domain name bud.com for for a case of longnecks autographed by August Bush.

1:25:08 Really? Here's a story for you. Budweiser was the first company with our previous company. It was on ramp still then before it became Think New Ideas. A guy named Bob McCauley called us out of the blue. We didn't even have the practice yet. We were trying to do something different. He basically said, would you build a website for us? And we said, yeah, hell yeah. So they wanted bud.com and this guy had it. He was really like a fan of Budweiser. And so, you know, we said, well, we're your internet guys, so we'll negotiate on your behalf. We have some experience. Of course, I went through the whole MTV.com thing. And then we talked to the guy and he's like, well, if you get me a case long neck signed by August, it's like you got a deal, buddy. And that was the transaction. Wow. Cool. Yeah. That's a good story. Internet lore there for you. All right. Signed by August. I think we should wrap this one up, John.

1:26:05 By the way, that guy should know if he's ever listened to the show that that was probably worth a million dollars. I just lost reefer.net which was close to bud.org but that's a different story. I don't think it's worth a million bucks. I think most domain names today, really really good ones are about between $15,000 and $30,000. I think that's what they're really worth. Yeah, that's typical but if you got one, I know there's still every so often one sells for a mil. Yeah, because somebody really has to have it and strangely enough. We still don't go to search calm We don't go to email calm. So what's the value you know? What's the art calm guys? I know Paid a million for theirs. You know I had that guy in my show not to do the last anecdote try to top you here

1:26:56 So I had the guy on the show in the late 90s when I was doing a Silicon Spin. I had the Art.com guy on. And I have an Art.com hat. Anyway, he was bragging about spending the million because at the time, this is how crazy things were in the late 90s, at the time it looked like you knew what you were doing to the venture capital folks when you dropped a million on your domain name. Oh yeah, it looked good. So we're spending it the right way. We know what we're going after, the real value out there. I always thought that was fascinating. That was it? Yeah. That didn't top my long necks, man. I'm sorry. No, it didn't. You win. Let's see, how long did we do it this week? We held out for, oh man, way too long. Hey, by the way, you can't really enjoy this program unless you listen to its Throwback to the 60s Answer Record Show.

1:27:51 called Yo Agenda with... You shouldn't give these two idiots a plug. You have to know it's important because you should listen to that show John because people listen so poorly. I listen to it once in a while. I mean because once in a while, actually they have some tips in there that are useful but for the most part it's some moron from England or some other, some guy from Poland who just can barely speak English and by the way buddy I'm Polish so get a clue okay? So the the point and he thinks I'm a check because I have a check name I do some relate so he so he hates the checks and so he only does is he cusses it a lot He's worse than you and and it's like the worst show and it's just boring. They blabbed it It's horrible Coming to you have listened to it a couple of times mainly just because I get amused by that by the vitriol Coming to you from the curry Manor in Guilford. I'm Adam Curry and

1:28:47 And I'm John C. DeVore, not too pleased in Northern California. We'll talk to you again next week, right here on NO Agenda.