Never Say No to a Soldier

00:01 Once again it's time for that program that has no music, no jingles, no commercials, no themes, obviously no talent, and certainly no agenda. Coming to you from an overcast United Kingdom in the Curry Manor, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak in sunny Northern California. You've been having a great week. Hasn't it been like in the mid-70s all week so far? It's hit 74 a couple of days. Oh, beautiful man. No, it's been dreary here. It really has. No good. Well, if it makes you feel any better, it's supposed to rain this weekend. love oh what and I'm not even coming to the city I mean that's when it's supposed to rain when I come yeah I know I they decided that maybe you are coming you don't know yes true what the hell do I know well I guess not dude what happened to Ziff Davis what happened they filed for a chapter 11 well that's you know something that's been you know they've been on and off to do that for last five years what was interesting to me is we had we

01:09 They caught, at least with me, they caught up with all our payments. I'm sure that was interesting to you. It was kind of a surprise so I figured something screwy was going on. I don't know the whole story yet. But they're still in business, it's just not like they're shutting down. Right, because I can say that we've certainly, as Podshow's been talking to them, we're trying to put a deal together and I was just like, you know, it's kind of surprising. It's like, oh, okay. I don't know much about Chapter 11, at least not the US version. I know about other versions. Well, Chapter 11 basically freezes the

01:51 uh... companies uh... did you presently put some do company into into a uh... tenant an oversight group pics do takes a look and they don't have to pay their bills for a while right so that's kind of a refinance essentially the whole thing in the airlines have done this numerous times and they can sometimes you know publishing companies i don't know how many of them come out of it uh... well but we'll see so and obviously near chapter eleven was you know some kind of uh... You know, to protect the assets, I guess. But that doesn't mean the company can't do business as regular, right? We can still do a deal with these guys? Because I think we actually would contribute and help them. Yeah, no, I think actually you're in a better position now. Ah, good. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Hey, you know, so you sent me something.

02:41 Excuse me, but I think what I should say by the way today is Thursday March 6 when we're recording this and I actually thought for a few moments while I was making some teas, you know, maybe we should just wait until tomorrow to release it, but I'm thinking you know, something could happen overnight. We should release it today. Yeah, I'm sure you agree John. Yeah, well, I know why you it's just easier It's not about just being easier. No But so we have the notice you know talent no work no agenda and no hassle No, has some more money less work. That's my motto for 2008 We got

03:24 We gotta, let's just do, let's just get into it. Unless you have something you wanna talk about right off the bat. You wanna just hear one or two of these quotes? Well, you know, I think we got a lot of feedback on our last show and I think it seems to me that people are really jacked up about us talking about tea. Oh yes, oh dude. Oh dude. I think I did get at least one consistent piece of feedback which is about the milk. This is about 50 seconds, so let me just play this for you. It makes sense. Hi Adam and John, this is Ed calling from South London. First of all, I like it. Guy from Britain, you know, you already feel kind of right, don't you?

04:00 Yeah, I love it. Here we go. Just interested in the conversation you had in the last No Agenda about putting the milk in the tea first. The way I hear it is that's traditionally an English thing, possibly European in some cases, but mainly English due to the fact that back in the day, I guess 1700s, we were really shitty at making porcelain. And so if you made tea without putting the milk in first, the cups would crack or break. and that's where the English tradition of putting the milk in the tea came from first. So you put it in the teapot and then I guess pour it in the cup but with the milk in first. So that's the way I hear it and it's probably right. There seems to be the accepted wisdom over here. And so John's comment about no one over 30 does it, it's probably, maybe it's making a revival or something. Okay guys, love the show and I'll listen next week. Bye.

04:46 There you go. I got a lot of those. I got a couple of those myself and it actually does make some sense. Except for the fact that it makes less sense today, especially when people put the milk in and then they put a tea bag in it and then they pour the water into the tea. I can see where you would put the milk in the thing and then brew it in a pot and then pour the brewed tea into the milk, but not to make the tea bag with the milk. Which is what I've been seeing. So it's an abomination. But boy, people are passionate about their tea, huh? Over there. Unbelievable. I was surprised. Now, I also heard there's somebody complaining that, you know, that when I'm in England, I very rarely see a tea bag with a string and a label on it. And I think it'd be interesting to see if anybody knows the history of that particular phenomenon. I think it was Lipton who started with the... Yeah, with the string and the holder, you mean?

05:48 Yeah, the string of the little tag on the end. It was probably made specifically for the US market. You know, that seems like a typical... Maybe it's a US invention. Who knows? I'm sure someone patented it. Yeah, it definitely looks patentable. Now that having said that I remember some years ago I was in France and they and I wish I could find this stuff again be just because it was so cool They and you've seen that you'll see this actually in France the the tea they make you know They have tea in bags in France and they do have the little string usually attached to it But they the tea is always really weak. They don't you know, they're the French are real tea drinkers by any means

06:25 Even though they have a couple famous tea companies that you know sell their expensive teas in a canister But anyway, I saw this while I was at some hotel and the tea came with a couple of tea bags and the tea bags Themselves were made of a fine silk. Oh, yeah. No, I've had those over here. There's a Forget who makes it. There's a British brand that makes it with fine silk as well. That's I've seen that around. I So since then I went to the fancy food show in San Francisco a few times because we have a deli. And so I'm there and tea has become like a big deal at the fancy food show. And there's all these companies that make these tea purveyors. Again, it's not as good as PG Tips after this stuff. But they sell like individual little boxes with a teabag in a box and it's unbelievable. I mean anything to screw the public.

07:21 There's a bunch of tea companies these high-end, you know Hoity-toity tea companies and they've got the tea that's in not silk, but some sort of a weird Mesh plastic of some sort. That's the new high-tech teabag. Yeah, I've seen that too. Yeah It's like a pyramid teabag only it's some of them. Some of them aren't you know, there's a variety of Designs there's a square one, you know, I this morning that I I went to, it's called the job center. I had to get my national insurance number, which is equivalent to a social security number because now I'm working at least partially on the UK payroll, so as to be fair, so as not to get in trouble with a taxman, etc. Her Majesty's Customs and Revenue Service.

08:16 And so, you know, you have to be interviewed, you know, because they're going to see if they really think I'm the real deal, right? So this probably isn't intended specifically for me. You know, if you just look around the room, it's like, OK, this is for immigrants who do not speak the language. But you have to prove that you actually live at that address. And so I got, what are the chances? I got a young, not very good looking woman who had to do my interview. So she didn't even look at my documentation, she was already stamping stuff. But I'm talking to her and pretty soon the conversation turns to, well, I'm actually leaving, I bought a house in Spain. I'm like, well, that's interesting. Here you are interviewing me to come in and you're leaving.

09:02 And all of her own accord, she brought up something that we've talked about a couple times on this show that is now really focus of the mainstream media here in the UK is the binge drinking. Yeah, interesting. Right now, so the government's response to this, I just wanted to revisit it because I know we have a lot of European and UK listeners. The government's response is to raise taxes on alcohol. I'm like, I mean don't they understand that there's got to be a root cause and even this girl was saying, you know in Spain it's like, you know people drink but it's you know, not off your face and in America She says you have to be 21 and you'll know in people don't mess around with that and you don't see people Well, maybe at frat parties and college here, but that's kind of what you're supposed to do there. So

09:50 But you know other countries around the world, it just doesn't happen. It's something really British and she came right out and she said you know there's something much different going wrong here that has nothing to do with the cost or availability of alcohol. And I don't hear anyone standing up and saying that's horse crap. You mean, you're saying what's worse, crap, the fact that they're just gonna tax it? Yeah, just, you know, it's a higher tax. In fact, so they've done some statistics and ever since they opened up the pub hours to go past 11 o'clock or whatever they used to close really early, now it's 24 hour a day license and, you know, so alcohol related crime I believe has actually gone down. I mean, there's all kinds of statistics that show that that didn't

10:37 Really make any difference in the drinking behavior in a pattern, but because it got spread out You know people didn't start to go steal and trash stuff at 1130. You know when the pub was closed But yeah, I don't hear anyone contradicting this idea that you know, that's the problem solver is taxes It's you know, it's this country's asleep over here John. It's really surprising to me that this country of so-called stiff, you know upper-lip Brits who Who I think really you would like to live their own lives and live free, you know, they're suppressed man. It's a It brings up a couple interesting points. First of all back in the in the day you're during you know That's a blitz Couple hundred years ago. I mean the Brits were well known for drinking too much I mean that did the problem with gin is is

11:31 Even you know even crops up in history books went when it shouldn't and if you look at all the Hogarth etchings he would ridicule the English for its kind of drunkenness So I mean, I don't know if there's something that goes back. I think maybe it's just returning. And the other thing is the image Americans have of the British is not quite the same as a lot of other people's overall image. And what I wanted to cite, and I wish I had, I'm gonna have to see if I can find a copy of this clip that's on, it might be on YouTube or someplace, but we were watching,

12:08 When I'm in Washington, we watch Canadian television mostly because it's just not because it's necessarily Better overall, but it's different and one of the my favorite shows is this hour has 22 minutes Which is a comedy show that's been on the CBC probably for decades and they they decided they did a thing where they they're gonna interview a couple of typical Brits and uh... so they cut to the satellite to talk to these two people in their homes and it's like and they they they they portray them as a you know i will of horrible fat woman with teeth going every which way and blubbering about stuff and bashing her skinny uh... perverted husband who's like hunched over and it's just like you see the industry image we're watching this

12:58 My wife says guy this is sure not the image the Americans have of the British, but there's just the way the Canadians see them And you know so it's possible that we're all wrong, and you know maybe one of the Canadians have got it right The Brits are just a mess. What's it? What's the video you you wanted to reference? Well, I'm saying I'm wondering if this hour has 22 minutes is up on YouTube ever because the show itself is worth watching and this particular episode has these English Of course it does. Oh yeah, of course it does. Of course it's on YouTube, dude. Are you kidding me? All the stolen shit is on YouTube. Hold on. So I have to find this particular thing because it's a point of sociology that's quite interesting. And the Canadians would have, you know, they have a longer association with the English. Oops. I'm sorry. A closer one than we do, for sure.

13:50 I mean, we just, you know, roused them in 1776 and, you know, now we have, Americans typically have a nostalgic view of the British, you know. You know, they drink tea and the Queen is kind of interesting and, you know, they have a royalty we don't have. It's peculiar. In fact, during the Civil War, or just before the Civil War that many of the states in South South Carolina in particular were actually thinking about you know splitting from the and becoming a monarchy. Really? They wanted a king? Yeah, South Carolina in particular they still have that kind of attitude in that state. Yeah they wanted a king. Oh incoming email!

14:36 I do I made a horrible mistake of actually going to that YouTube video Crunch the bandwidth. I'm telling you man these guys like the bandwidth in in the UK sucks sucks Don't watch YouTube videos were out while on Skype. No. No, I I understand that but we had such a great connection I thought maybe I just give it a shot Yeah, no, you're right. It's the same with the Dutch. The perception of the Dutch used to be windmills, wooden shoes, tulips. And then somewhere, I'd probably say in the 70s, towards the end of the 70s, certainly after John and Yoko spent a week in bed in the Amsterdam Hilton, it kind of became known for Hippie Paradise. You remember the hippies sitting around Dam Square, the dam monument, right?

15:22 Hookers and drugs and now it's hookers and drugs. Absolutely And you never hear anyone about wooden shoes anymore If you know if you ask a kid at school, you know ask a fifth grader, you know Holland hookers and drugs You know no more wooden shoes and and they still use them Actually when I was in the last time I was in Amsterdam one of the things I went to there's some long street I can't remember the name of it, but it's a huge shopping street call for you. Yeah the call for stress. Yeah, I It's huge, it's miles. The only other one in the world that I've been to that's as impressive in terms of its length of one street for shopping is in Beijing. There's a street that's probably even longer and it's wider, it's huge. It's this big, giant, champs-elysees-width place that goes on forever. I never could get to the end of it. Anyway, so I'm shopping in this street, I'm looking for some shoes.

16:15 and so I found some, I found, you know, there's some, some shop I went into and I, there's this really cool looking pair of shoes and I figured I'd buy it. It didn't quite fit right, but the guy gave me a lecture. So, you know, this is one of the last two shoe companies left in Holland that made these shoes and he went on and on with a lament about how many shoe companies are used to being I guess this goes back to the wooden shoe days. He said that I guess there were hundreds at one point and they've all consolidated down to like one or two and they're about to go broke. Well and that's also part of a larger gripe in the Netherlands is that they you know they've been saying for maybe 15 or 20 years you know the government has basically put Holland into the

16:59 Into the into the storefront window everything has been sold. They don't make anything. We were complaining about America They don't make anything. There is nothing being produced in Holland anymore. Nothing zero, you know except Well banking and that just got sold a bean amaro You know sold to what was that Barclays? I don't know, I didn't follow that. Yeah, so that was kind of like the last thing the Netherlands has and there's just no more industry there. And it used to be a very industrious trading based nation. No longer. I don't know what to tell you. Nothing. So, I don't really care. It's kind of pathetic. I mean, I don't know why these countries believe

17:46 I guess they're all locked into this internationalism, globalism, and they believe that they can get all their products elsewhere cheaper in such a way that they never have to worry about ever making them again. But you have some Hitler cropped up in this day and age. uh... which would be easy to do these countries to be a walkover they would have to have a blitzkrieg no no no it would be it would be very easy the netherlands of course in the second world war could capitulated within like five days they gave up their three rifles and two bicycles Well, more than two bicycles according to the Dutch, that's all they do is they still bitch about the fact that the bicycles are never returned. Yeah, they get... Oh God, that is a joke we don't make anymore in Holland, John. That is no longer valid culturally speaking, not politically correct.

18:40 Why? When did that change? Well, as we all got older, you know, I've dealt with lots of Germans my age and, you know, this is great. The new Germans, I'll just call them, you know, the generation that has now grown up that was, you know, that didn't grow up, grew up, whose parents were born during the Second World War. You know, they're very reliable in general, I'd have to say, in business dealings. They're pretty reliable. They're they're friendly. They're You know, they they do I like doing business with them and they and they culturally they're they're quite rich, you know So we just don't mess with them anymore because now they're just our good neighbors and we you know And by the way, what an economy, you know, there's the Netherlands when Germany sneezes the Netherlands, you know catches the cold

19:27 So the bicycle issue is off the table. Yeah, we do not... No, we do not say that anymore. No. No. Huh? No, not funny anymore. I never thought it was supposed to be funny. I thought it was a legitimate complaint. I want my bicycle back? A couple other things that happened, not just stealing a bike. A couple of things went on there. uh... see actually so did you get to tell us as we're talking to you were on this topic did you get that song a email jim yes i did uh... play it as an interesting before you play them in a good this is i ran into the song i was recording a uh... this is from a movie done in nineteen forty two and a lot of people out there don't realize that uh... it but it did you don't realize that both the u s england and most of uh... the countries in world war two in nineteen forty two

20:29 A lot of historians will say that we actually technically have already lost the war. The war was over and the Germans were going to win everything. So 1942, there was a turnaround mainly because of the productivity of the American factories where we were cranking out. I mean, William Manchester discusses this in one of his books and he has all the stats, which I should blog one of these days because they're actually quite phenomenal. They're like doing a ship a week kind of thing. And like, you know, 700 aircraft a month. I mean, it was really high turnover or more and then it was a lot of their work cranking out a lot of seven in the war turned around and uh... we end up winning but that didn't forty two it wasn't clear that we're going to answer them so there is a good bunch of interesting sociologies that took place during this period one of them that defesne me was this song which is in a movie uh... not lowly you know one of these war movies called and the movie's called iceland and uh...

21:30 I don't have the singer's name but I think the band was Sammy K and I found it interesting because this song is essentially if you read between the lines kind of making a... Don't even tell him, don't even tell him. Yeah okay well we'll listen to it and then we'll discuss it. Listen, little lady, it's the order of the day Issued by the highest of authority Fellows in the service simply can't be turned away You know that defense must be done

22:12 ♪ So if you're patriotically inclined ♪ Heed the call to arms and keep this thought in mind ♪ You can't say no to a soldier, a sailor, or a handsome marine ♪ No, you can't say no if he wants to dance ♪ If he's gonna fight, he's got a right to rant ♪ So get out your lipstick Be beautiful and dutiful too If he's not your type, then it's still okay You can always kiss him in a sisterly way Oh, you can't say no No, you gotta give in if you want him to win for you You can't say no to a soldier, a sailor or a knight

23:04 No, you can't say no if he wants to dance. If he's gonna fight, he's got a right to romance. So get out your lipstick and powder. Be beautiful and dutiful too. If he says it's cold on those submarines, you can knit a sweater, but that's not what he means. Yeah, that's basically saying...

23:46 Do your local servicemen so he can win the war. Yeah, basically saying that you know, let's do the whoring out the country because If you don't get you know, cuz you if you don't get to get keep these guys happy, you know You're gonna be stuck with you know what you get in a war situation. Somebody else takes over. I really rape I really liked it where it was, you know, you can always kiss him in a sisterly way I thought that was pretty funny Yeah, there's also there's a couple twists in there, you know be beautiful and dutiful I gotta try that tonight, honey. You've got a beautiful and dutiful tonight Actually the real interesting me a little twisted phrase in there was you know If he says it's cold in the submarine, you can knit him a sweater, but that's not what he means And then you got was it Popeye or Brutus popping in there? Yeah that guy I can't remember his name. He's in a lot of movies from that era

24:43 He's a kind of like an Ernest Borgnine type guy, but he's actually he was a character actor Showed up here and there in these in the B movies mainly. Yes, that must be so that's part of a film you said Yes, it's a it's a scene in the movie Iceland and they cut to this song and I just thought it was interesting because it matched the year which is 1942 which is the year that we were losing the year you were born of course yeah, I know and not that old and It was the year we were losing and I don't think that there actually weren't a lot of people born that year because most people were Fighting was that before Pearl Harbor or post? No, that's after Pearl Harbor. Okay. So yeah, and downer mood for sure and then the Hitler was like, you know beating everybody up and So it was a bad time and and I think a lot but the interesting part of this song which is like telling these women To get out, you know, they get to work having sex

25:47 I think it's kind of lost on, essentially, I think this whole era is completely lost to anybody, today's generations or anybody as a matter of fact. You mean the general got general vibe and how people felt and and what the what the nice? You know you wonder because we have like that You know these war efforts that you know like in the Vietnam War and all these insincere wars that we've been Seemingly in and you never had this kind of thing where this was this was actually a desperate situation where we would people had to do things and I think this song reflects that in some way that I don't think we'll ever see anything like it again. You know where I still see that I

26:32 Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares Now I'm telling you they have there's two versions that air over here. There's the I know you watch it John I'm sure you've seen the show. So absolutely. Yeah, so whenever he does It's so different when he does a friend a French or or a British restaurant And so for those you haven't seen the show essentially Gordon Ramsay I'm sure you know him famous celebrity chef says fuck a lot probably that's why I'm drawn to him But he's very powerful intense guy And he goes into these businesses and he tries to turn them around in well, of course, it's really one hour of television But the idea is it's a couple days in real time I have no idea how long it takes him to shoot it and then he goes back and visits them a couple months later to see how they're doing and these are all restaurants on the brink of failure, but once again last night they were doing an Irish pub and

27:20 I think it was Florida, you know ex-cop took his pension, you know family business completely. It's always a sad story It's oh, it's it's heart-wrenching, you know, it's just like ripping it right out, you know But then when you get the Americans when I use that when Gordon Ramsay lays into these restaurateurs and as often the chef or the owner It's usually the owner You know in the in the European versions, it's like, you know, who the fuck do you think you are Gordon Ramsay? You know, that's the French guy Exactly and but you know in that with the American version is like Gordon's at the top of his game, man You know, he's the top he's motivated me. I've opened up again. I've learned how to love what I'm doing with passion We're gonna go kick some ass and you know, I'm like and I sit there and I get goosebumps and I think that's it That is the definition of the American spirit and I think it was probably the same thing in 42 But you still see it in situations like that, right?

28:15 Yeah, no, there's a I I watch both versions too because we get BBC America on the dish Network and They show the British versions of the Gordon Ramsay show on there Usually they show them in a bunch of them in a series like the devil do a weekend. It'll be like 10 in a row We're staying in put the cat along so uh... we can record them but anyway the andy and the contrast between the american version in the european version or the british version is exactly what you say which is the americans tend to be more amenable to consultants which is what he comes in and out and they you know he's and then they listen and they and they try to adapt and they were once in a while they tried to get into a little beef a lot of that you wonder says six sometimes this is some a artificial cuz i don't think

29:02 It's the editing. Oh no, it's totally the editing. Yeah, there's a lot of editing because it's like the reality TV where there's a lot of it's faked. You just take shots of people looking with the inquisitive expressions or anger. Right, and I can see the director saying, can you just throw something down or something? No, no, slow that down a little bit. You know what, let's add a boing-oing sound effect here. This is my other favorite. That's what you do when animals twist head looking in amazement at crazy humans. Add sound effect. So, but then when you go to the British version of the show and he goes to France often and he goes all over the place. He was in Paris and some expat was there trying to open a place. They're more sensitive. They don't like being told what to do. They're not into consultants so much like Americans. We're kind of like a consultant culture.

29:54 And they reject the guy and they get into these huge arguments. It's actually highly entertaining, but 90% of the time it's just a bunch of a-holes yelling at each other. Yeah, what's the difference between that and boxing or football or soccer? Well, there's none. No, people always want to see that. Yeah, it's entertaining. By the way, not to be outdone, John, by your song, I did a little bit of research and I think I came up with the 2008 version of that song. You want to hear it? Yeah, let's go.

30:35 Jugs and orbs and darts and gourds Elmer Fudd's and bouncing Buddhas Sweater stretchers, lung protectors Beach umbrellas, frost detectors Scooby Snacks and snake eyes dice Jello molds and high beam lights Every day I probably use 99 words for boobs Thought you'd appreciate that one. Yeah, that is a good example of the difference between 1942 and today where you have a kind of a juvenile attitude about everything. I'm sorry, I can't help myself. It's on the Pod Save Music Network. 99 words for boobs. It's just, it's a beautiful thing, man. Come on. Yeah, no, I'm downloading it now. No, don't do that. It'll ruin our Skype connection. Hey, dude, in the paper today,

31:32 Rumor and word is now out. I have a feeling it's a trial balloon because it was almost like orchestrated I'm seeing it across everything. I'm gonna tell you including my favorite newspaper the Financial Times Looks like the EU is going to approve the Google double-click merger. Oh And why shouldn't they well, you're always saying that there you know that Nelly Cruz is out to you know out to stop all the big American companies and Yeah, I know I think but I don't think that this is what would be a good example because the it's not like there's a It's gonna create a monopoly or anything. I mean double clicks been around forever and then what just a service company I don't see what the deal is. Well, no the deal is first of all the advertising agencies the media buying agencies are flipping out over this and

32:22 because they're now figuring out especially with this piece from Adding this a strapping on double-click that Google is the buyer and the seller that they can no longer That media agencies can no longer really influence price. So They're really freaking out over this The second thing is of course privacy I think that's what it was under scrutiny for most is now that you if you combine all the information Google has on you with DoubleClick's cookie information. I believe that's where people were worried that there were some privacy or potential for privacy issues Yeah, I can see that and I bet you it's happening. They can take them on a case-by-case basis after the fact I don't think it's a big deal personally

33:15 Anyway, I'll tell you something screwy going on with Google the stock is way down Yeah, was it now at 400 from coming from seven the four hundred where it's in the four hundred some people predicting it going lower Lower I'm not seeing that when I look at the charts, but I I don't know, I mean anything can happen. Anything can happen. I've heard 150. I seriously have heard 150. That would be a disaster. But anyway, one of the things I've noticed is that my Google, I test AdSense, and by the way when I was talking about scheming AdSense last week I didn't mean that. I meant scheming the Google advertising on the search engine page. I don't know how to scheme AdSense. Anyway, the... Backpedal, backpedal, backpedal.

33:58 The I noticed that my numbers on my blog for example are going way up But the amount of money I'm getting from Google AdSense is going down a lot. I had the same thing happen. It's ever since we started this show. I'm telling you. That could be it. But the numbers are going down to the point where I have some other tests on that page which have actually stabilized or have gone up a little bit. Which indicates to me that it's not that people aren't dealing with advertising online, it's that they're not, that the Google stuff is becoming, especially AdSense, is becoming invisible.

34:41 Yeah, I've always believed that the brain parses that out. I frame the information on the page. I'm used to that. I'm used to that as an airman. I'm used to it as a disc jockey. I'm used to it doing this right now. I'm looking at a screen and I know there's all kinds of stuff going on. Actually, I have two screens, one above another, but I'm focused on... In the aircraft we call it the T-scan. When you're flying instruments, it's like you're focusing on These eight instruments that are in a T-formation on your panel. So why wouldn't the brain do that on a web page? It obviously is doing it, but I may have to move the ad someplace else. Back into the T-scan. Just move it around. Which you're supposed to do anyway, because I think you're right. Because I was noticing it myself. I was on the web page the other day and I was

35:35 I went to something else and I decided to do the old test about what a great ad. People say, wow, I saw this great ad. It was unbelievable. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. And you ask, what was the ad for? Yeah, exactly. And they go, well, I don't remember. I don't know. And I realized that I haven't been seeing what's on those ads for a couple of months now. Yeah, I always look at the top of my weblog because I'm always interested and I saw it go from you know, cuz I do test to you know, there's a There's a retail a big-box retail outlet over here called Curry's. I'm sure you've heard of that Oh, yeah, and so curry calm, you know, it's and and lo and behold and there's probably 2,600 search hits so we're looking for Curry's and

36:24 Every single day and so you I start, you know putting links in there to you know to stuff that you know, like want to buy a TV set Buy it from me Yeah, and And essentially, you know you see you do see stuff change over time but That's really only because it's a part of my daily scan that I'm really interested in seeing what words have appeared there. But otherwise, man, nothing. And wasn't there a survey about banner ads, the punch the monkey stuff? It's essentially guys punching the monkey. It turns out that's what banner ad clickers are.

37:12 Yeah, there's some issues. I think that's one of them. I mean the banner ad thing, you know, that's why CNET. CNET is the company responsible for inventing a lot of these initiatives, including banner ads and that big square box that's now in the middle of everything. They did that and I don't think they're responsible for the most annoying ads, which is the thing that the flash ad that comes crawling across the screen. Yeah, I don't think that's flash. I think that's... That's Ajax stuff, I think. Could be. Whatever the case is, it's annoying. So these guys are desperate for coming up with something, but I think Google may have some issues here if these numbers are correct.

37:56 I have a stat packages on the server. I have stat packages on the pages. So I know what my numbers are and when I get numbers, you know, or when I see Google having, you know, consistently not showing it, then one of the things they do is I like to, I don't know how they measure a lot of this stuff since I put my Google stuff right at the top, but sometimes they won't give you credit for a page view. And I'm thinking, here's what I'm thinking. uh... i've noticed that as my numbers increase the google numbers can stay the same or even go down a little bit to make the to make the click per page number look a little better because the total income from the google adsense is good is actually retreating and to make themselves look at least look a little more effective there's something screwy going on and i don't think i'm the only one seeing this and i think it's being reflected in the in the stock

38:51 Going down the way it is. I mean somebody might that's got it. I mean there's something going on. It's screwy Well, I think there's a couple things going on. So first of all, I believe you're right on all counts On the parsing of ads on a page. I think people have gotten used to that I agree with what you're saying about, you know, the the page counts general fatigue as well, you know, you've got to take that into account, but you know, these guys are I think they're really desperate at trying to figure a lot of this stuff out. I don't know if you've ever ventured into the hidden groups of SEO, SEM. There's all kinds of places where these real experts who are making millions of dollars congeal and they all have names like Dark Dragon and stuff like that. Moody actually does a lot of that stuff. You know Moody from our office.

39:43 And and you know, it's there's a lot there's a lot going on that that we just not privy to a but that we're not even is not even on our radar and Yeah, I think there is I think there was a scramble a scramble to figure it out It has to do with page rank. It has to do with a multitude of You know, of different factors and weights and balances that really tweak their system. And by the way, their systems in general have been a bit shaky the past few days. I've had Gmail problems, we've had Google group problems, we've had calendar problems, Gmail reader problems, you know, files uploading and then disappearing. There's definitely something going on.

40:25 Well, it's not good, whatever it is. It's not productive for the consumer. And of course, you know, one of your companies that you had an early investment in and made you a wealthy person has decided to change their entire model. We're talking about ask.com. Yeah, ask Jeeves is what I invested in. It used to be ask Jeeves, which I always thought was a cute idea except for the fact that it didn't work. But I like the name Ask Jeeves, it's kind of cute, but then they changed it to Ask. You know what happened is a guy who, kind of like a friend, he was a guy who almost became a client at Think New Ideas and then we kind of stayed in touch and he was out in LA and he called me one day and he said, dude, I'm looking for a little bit of cash, this is going to be the last round, this is company, this search, and there was no Google. Alta Vista, I think, was the search engine at the time.

41:12 And I said, look, I got $50,000. That's all I have. I really can't invest more than that. He says, no, no, man, it's perfect. And that was pre-IPO. And that had, for those who don't remember or don't know, they had a spectacular initial public offering. And it was based on nothing, I think, at the end of the day. It was based on a cute branded character, interesting name. And so now they're there I you know, I heard the hurt wasn't on cranky geeks I think I saw you guys talking about how they've read there how they're supposedly now focusing cranky Yeah, you're focusing on married women who have a household to run and need help in their life. Yeah, that's what that's what actually was the

42:02 was what the Associated Press reported. It's interesting because I hadn't looked at Ask in a long time and so I went around to the first thing I entered was like cooking recipes. That's funny because as soon as I read that, that's the first thing I did too, as soon as they made this announcement I went to it. Immediately to try it. You know what? It's not bad No, I was just about to say isn't this exactly what Mahalo is supposed to be I mean it has references to other other chefs, you know So actually it was like you might want to look at Jamie Oliver or Nigella or you know And because they knew was in the UK so it's gonna be UK results It real nice while you're typing stuff starts to pop up. I love that, you know pre-search where it's already given you ideas and

42:45 And the possibility to turn it off. I mean, yeah, it actually looked at... Oh, hold on a second. Oh man. Are you there, John? Oh boy. Hold on a second. Let me see if I can fix this. If I can't do it in a couple seconds... I'd have to reroute. Oops. Okay, folks. Hold on. Let me get John back on the line. Okay, John, you there? Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know what happened all of a sudden. I think we might have had a start breaking up You know, it's possible somebody else is using a machine in your place, you know, no, no, no, no, no, that's not it I saw the entire router go offline them sometimes we get brownouts where I am and It's just enough to mess with the router and all of a sudden everything went dead and I apologize. It's not your fault You should be apologizing for the British

42:02 was what the Associated Press reported. It's interesting because I hadn't looked at Ask in a long time and so I went around to the first thing I entered was like cooking recipes. That's funny because as soon as I read that, that's the first thing I did too, as soon as they made this announcement I went to it. Immediately to try it. You know what? It's not bad No, I was just about to say isn't this exactly what Mahalo is supposed to be I mean it has references to other other chefs, you know So actually it was like you might want to look at Jamie Oliver or Nigella or you know And because they knew was in the UK so it's gonna be UK results It real nice while you're typing stuff starts to pop up. I love that, you know pre-search where it's already given you ideas and

42:45 And the possibility to turn it off. I mean, yeah, it actually looked at... Oh, hold on a second. Oh man. Are you there, John? Oh boy. Hold on a second. Let me see if I can fix this. If I can't do it in a couple seconds... I'd have to reroute. Oops. Okay, folks. Hold on. Let me get John back on the line. Okay, John, you there? Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know what happened all of a sudden. I think we might have had a start breaking up You know, it's possible somebody else is using a machine in your place, you know, no, no, no, no, no, that's not it I saw the entire router go offline them sometimes we get brownouts where I am and It's just enough to mess with the router and all of a sudden everything went dead and I apologize. It's not your fault You should be apologizing for the British

43:40 Utilities company screw those British utilities. Yeah. Anyway, so I don't know what Mahalo was Yeah, I mean it looked to me like someone had done some work so on, you know, someone obviously Went in and figured out that with cooking recipes, you know Here's some chefs to look at that doesn't seem like a real automatic thing to me. I So there's clearly someone doing some manual work and you know, that was, I have to say, I actually sat there and said, hmm, I might use this a couple times, see if I like it. Yeah, I did some work on it and I thought it was, well, you know, it wasn't bad. I mean, I could, I mean, I've actually made this comment, I think in print somewhere, which is that what would be different about the world, I always do this as an exercise anyway, but

44:31 What would be different about the world if Google didn't exist? And I don't think that much would change No, nothing that would change anyone's life. I don't think so. Well, we'd have nothing to talk about that would be a problem Yeah, shit. No, man, you're breaking up a little you still there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. See I had another hiccup You know what? I'm gonna do something here. This is some I noticed this the other day Hold on That, and it could also be the provider. I really got to work on this shit. Hold on. So if I, I basically just open a ping connection to somewhere out on the net. Are you still there? Yeah, I'm here. Okay, good. I basically, yeah, I can hear you. I basically opened a ping connection to somewhere out on the net and it just keeps the connection alive. I don't know what the hell is going on. Sorry. Interesting.

45:27 Well anyway, so I like to do this exercise which is to imagine what the world would be like with a company missing. And I've concluded that Google is not the be all and end all. I mean, if without Google we'd still be able to get good search results here and there. Well of course we could, I mean it's ridiculous to think that you couldn't. No doubt about it, remember when Google came on the scene, they came at the right time though John. They had a really really fast, the big thing on the search results was how fast they got your results. So it was all about speed. Yeah, but it wasn't any faster than what AltaVista was doing in its heyday. Ah, no, no, no, no, wait, hold on a second. I beg to differ. Remember, these were the days of 56k modems and when you had these huge pages and, you know, at the time I think it was frames and it just took, you took your computers longer to render and with

46:22 Google it was like one page one search box. It was a revelation. I remember this very clearly that was the big thing I'm not convinced that that that AltaVista except for the fact that they were bought you Hold on John. Yeah, you know what they were doing with or what to do with digital they killed AltaVista who killed a digital killed AltaVista No, no, Compaq did. Compaq computer. They didn't kill it, they just let it languish. And then Google came along at about the same time and the next thing you know they were doing what AltaVista was doing. I don't think that the difference was that substantial. Well, it's certainly something that's reproducible. And by the way, it doesn't make any difference because that's not really the business. The business is AdSense. They don't make money on their search business. It's on AdSense. And the search business is, of course, a great part of that.

47:14 not unimportant part, but just because you and I love going to, using Google to search doesn't necessarily put money in Google's pocket. Right. So, it's really the advertising business, and by the way, not a lot of successful geeks in the advertising business. No, and there never will be. You know, you gotta have finesse, baby. You gotta have flair. You know, you gotta know how to talk. That's what gets you through on Madison Avenue. Generally. Yeah. So, uh, so I'm looking at this talking about Madison Avenue. These segues are fantastic. Are you going to talk about Mad Men now? No, I'm looking at Ad Week and there was a creative six trends you should know and they came there's this phrase that I did was unfamiliar with. I had to look it up by going to my website and there's I have an acronym finder on the homepage the work.org slash home dot htm.

48:16 And you familiar with the acronym BRIC, B-R-I-C? Brick yes, I am familiar with the acronym in several different contexts one is a a Dimension of a Re wholesale package of marijuana. Okay. Well, never mind that to is the constant Let me get there two is when you have a mobile device or portable device that becomes completely rendered unusable usually through hacking then you turn it into a brick and Let me give it to you in context. The subtitle of this paragraph is Brick Fashions. The fashion world will be looking to the brick countries in 2008. The brick countries? I.e. countries that have homes made of brick? No, Brazil, Russia, India and China. Ah yes, no, I have heard of this. Actually I've read this in Financial Times. It's been a while but yes I have heard this.

49:24 So it's one of the trends they say and I think this is largely due to the reason Brazil is in there. Brazil has a number of fashion international fashion designers who are quite talented but then they show this picture of some top form or a top a top like a top of woolen woodware from Shantanu and Nikhil showing this horrible I mean I don't want to say anything you know I love the Indians But India fashion is not something I want to see much of to be honest about it. Nor their movies by the way. I love fashion. I love fashion shows. I told you I went to the fashion show with my wife in Amsterdam on Sunday. Ah, nice. I had my suit on.

50:10 Who did you, yeah, that suit. Who was the designer you saw or was it just a bunch of them? No, no, it's one designer, Paul Schulte. And Patricia works with him every season on the show and what the model should look like and of course I'm highly interested. Because what I get to do is I get to hang around everywhere. It's just naked models walking around. It's awesome I'm not kidding. Yeah, but it's not like they're posing but they're all really tall and And so I say, you know, excuse me. I just got a hug you for a second I know you're feeling the same way because you know when tall people hug each other and I always get it, you know I always get hugged. It's great, but I really screwed I really screwed up this time because my favorite favorite model of all time

50:53 Who always walks the Paul Schulte show and you know because all the the mega superstars or big buyers or celebrities? And of course we're none of the above They get they sit right in the middle of the front row at the on the runway And so we're actually in an even better spot. That's like two spots to the right That's where the models make their turn So they make their turn right in front of us and she always gives me John. I'm not kidding She gives me the most wicked look I know I mean just like you know, it's like a fantasy and you know It's a game because you know, my wife and I laugh about it all the time Let's see if she gives you the look. So anyway, she after the show she's upstairs and she's you know, she's D Just taking everything off essentially and all of her model stuff and I said, oh, you know when's the divorce? Cuz my dream has to finally come through and

51:39 And she says, March 13th, how did you know? I felt so shitty. I felt horrible. So we took her out to dinner. You're gonna feel worse when she starts calling. Oh dude. Not a problem. I said it right there. I said, it's okay, my wife is okay with it. We can have an affair. It's not a problem. Patricia's sitting right next to her. It was funny. Speaking of women, John, hold on a second. Hey guys, I wanted to let you know first of all that you do have some STEM privileged women listening to you. One in Ohio even, crazy. Couple things. Adam, if you can't get a tobacco company to sponsor you, you are not fucking trying. I mean, every time I hear your lighter click, I want to go dig through my coat pockets and see if I have any cigarettes from like five years ago.

52:37 It's perfect. You don't have to change anything. You just keep doing what you're doing. It might make you want to mention some brand or something, but I really think you could actually... All right, so we got wacky chicks listening to us. One. From Ohio. But we did strike a chord with making money on the show. I got a couple emails about that. Did you get any? Yeah. Yeah, I got a couple myself, but you know, we'll see. What was the general consensus? What were people saying? Oh, they all yeah, oh, there's tons of money to be made, you know. Where's the grant specialist? I like the grant idea the best. I'm like, that's perfect. The grant idea is very cool. That would be outstanding to have a show sponsored by a grant and listener donations. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And we'd do it at a regular... No, we wouldn't.

53:27 No, I think it's fine. People get the week is fun once a week is good. That's enough for people. No, I was thinking we'd actually do it on the same day is what I was gonna say, but oh, that's never gonna happen. I thought the better of that. Hello Adam and John, this is for no agenda. Kirsten Leviton here. I got a message for your haters Adam. Listen up folks. Food has to be put on the table, gas has to be put in the car, bills have to be paid, insurance has to be paid, mortgages have to be paid. Money makes the world go round. You don't exist without money. You're a rotting corpse on the ground. So I say fuck anybody who gets mad at him making money from this. He can make money by giving me content I want to listen to? Fuck you.

54:07 Yeah, go America go Adam Curry. I don't care do what you gotta do. They don't like it screw on that's it if you're getting paid You're gonna keep doing this and I'm gonna keep having cool stuff to listen to and I like the long format You know is that the stand-up comic Doug Stanhope? He's a Chris from Leavittown He calls in a lot. So hey, there's something I wanted to mention on the show before we finish up here that because as we're getting feedback, we got enough audience now that we're getting a collective unconscious. You know, you always can tell when you have enough people out there. I mean, that's what I do. When I do the Twitch show, I'm always asking for clothes, for example. I seem to get a lot of hoodies from various countries. And it shows, John. It shows. When I see around the office, those are clearly freebies.

53:27 No, I think it's fine. People get the week is fun once a week is good. That's enough for people. No, I was thinking we'd actually do it on the same day is what I was gonna say, but oh, that's never gonna happen. I thought the better of that. Hello Adam and John, this is for no agenda. Kirsten Leviton here. I got a message for your haters Adam. Listen up folks. Food has to be put on the table, gas has to be put in the car, bills have to be paid, insurance has to be paid, mortgages have to be paid. Money makes the world go round. You don't exist without money. You're a rotting corpse on the ground. So I say fuck anybody who gets mad at him making money from this. He can make money by giving me content I want to listen to? Fuck you.

54:07 Yeah, go America go Adam Curry. I don't care do what you gotta do. They don't like it screw on that's it if you're getting paid You're gonna keep doing this and I'm gonna keep having cool stuff to listen to and I like the long format You know is that the stand-up comic Doug Stanhope? He's a Chris from Leavittown He calls in a lot. So hey, there's something I wanted to mention on the show before we finish up here that because as we're getting feedback, we got enough audience now that we're getting a collective unconscious. You know, you always can tell when you have enough people out there. I mean, that's what I do. When I do the Twitch show, I'm always asking for clothes, for example. I seem to get a lot of hoodies from various countries. And it shows, John. It shows. When I see around the office, those are clearly freebies.

54:53 So here's what I want now. Somebody out there has got to have, and I think I'm just going to keep soliciting this until we get it. I heard, I got wind of this some time ago and then I decided, and I kind of forgot about it, I've been trying this trick, but supposedly with Otis elevators and I suppose Schindler elevators and some of the other ones, there are codes on the On the elevator itself, in other words, amongst the push buttons, certain combinations of things will get you certain things that the dummy wouldn't normally know. Special features? Well, for example, I'm told at least one of the things that if you push the closed door button and the floor you want to go on to at the same time, it turns it into express mode. So it skips all the other floors?

55:41 Yeah, just zooms right awesome. I'll bet you there's a ton of information about there about this out there I bet you that day whether that one's even right or not I have been trying and I haven't found it not to take but you know I'm not in using a lot of busy elevators But I suspect that because of the nature of especially the newer elevators that are you know computer? There were you know there's a computer running them They have to have a ton of secret codes that somebody out there, there's an elevator guy listening to this show, that knows a few of these codes that would be happy, more than happy to tell us what they are. Yeah, and you can do it completely anonymously, just look at the show notes, there's a phone number there, you just call it, we can't trace you, we can't, I mean, the government can, but we can't trace you or track you, and just let us know.

56:27 But I just think it'd be nice to know these codes sometimes, you know, you're in a hurry When did you come up with this? You just woke up one morning and said I wonder No, I read somewhere a number of months ago. I read someplace in some forum or some, you know some News group or somewhere that some guy had knew about these codes and and he talked about the the closed door floor button simultaneous push And as soon as he said it, I said, yeah, there has to be. I mean, obviously, if you're programming these elevators, you're gonna put a bunch of secret codes, because when you're gonna repair the things you need to, it's like the phone companies have all kinds of weird numbers they can call. There's like one number you can dial and it tells you what the number of the phone is that you're calling from. Well, that's the whole unlocking thing is also based on codes that you input. Exactly.

57:21 Hmm. Hey, isn't that the Apple thing this morning that iPhone something or other where they're gonna announce something about something? Yeah, probably yeah, who cares? You know Apple gets too much publicity as it is. Yeah, it's true But I sometimes they do those live on video and I enjoy watching that. I love watching Steve Jobs present. It's beautiful He's a master. It's fucking a he's a master. It's just beautiful. I Really really especially when you compare them to the other schlubs in the industry. It's pathetic who's gonna do the big announcements? When Yahoo eventually gets sold or bought Steve Ballmer is gonna do it The money is now heading to our in fact, I'm writing about this for market watch it was waiting for that. Yes. Oh

58:07 There's your plug. I think I'm going to discuss the possibility that AOL and Yahoo get together. I don't see why this wasn't something people looked at much earlier. I think it's a perfect combination. Well, a friend of mine, Andrew Horowitz, who does the Disciplined Investor, he had a month ago told me that he was suspicious and he posted a video, which I have on my blog, by the way, dvork.org.blog. He posted a video that shows if you overlay the home page of AOL and Yahoo, it's like this same exact page. I hope it happens. That would be beautiful. That really would. We can do business with those guys. I know we can because they both have a little bit of a clue about something.

58:57 But not really the whole picture. And I think AOL, personally I think AOL is really in a lot of trouble. I don't follow it, I have no idea what reports there are. But it just feels like it's one big script running. There's nothing behind it. Is anyone home basically? Yeah, you know ever since Steve Case, even though people didn't like the guy, left. He was an entertainment guy, he understood it. Well, he also had a sense of it. I mean, he did have the vision. I mean, he was the captain of the ship. He's the one who saw. You know, sometimes you need somebody running things that can say, no, no, that's a bad idea and here's the reasons why. Even though this idea without the guy would go ahead. Wasn't Steve Case in Flock of Seagulls?

59:47 God, I hope not. Seriously? I think someone told me. No, I don't think so. Yeah, I think for some reason I think that he was in flock of seagulls. I don't think he's ever been a musician. I mean, prove me wrong. No, I'm afraid to open my browser now because I don't want to lose the connections. We'll do it for next week. We'll figure it out. But whatever the case is, he's not there now and it's a place does look like a rudderless ship. And people are forgetting about people used to talk about AOL. Everyone had an AOL.com email address and now they don't. And you know, it's just a really sad. I still have my Yahoo though. Do you still have your Yahoo address? Yeah, I have a Yahoo address. I have a I have the Google address.

1:00:31 I got one of the early ones so I got my name, you know, the right way it should be. And... Well, did you have to buy it from someone or did you have to wait for three days? No, no, I got in really early and so I got Dvorak. Ah, okay. Cool. So, but I don't use it. I only use Google as a complete backup because I have, you know, I run it through my own server. Yeah. And... Why do you do that? It's just because you started out that way, never wanted to change it or you find it's better for you? What, to have Dvorak.org? No, just to have your own... no, no, no, no. You actually have... you don't use Gmail or any other... It's hosted over by Mark Perkel over at C-Time, Computer Time. He's the one who does it. I've always had my... I've got a domain early.

59:47 God, I hope not. Seriously? I think someone told me. No, I don't think so. Yeah, I think for some reason I think that he was in flock of seagulls. I don't think he's ever been a musician. I mean, prove me wrong. No, I'm afraid to open my browser now because I don't want to lose the connections. We'll do it for next week. We'll figure it out. But whatever the case is, he's not there now and it's a place does look like a rudderless ship. And people are forgetting about people used to talk about AOL. Everyone had an AOL.com email address and now they don't. And you know, it's just a really sad. I still have my Yahoo though. Do you still have your Yahoo address? Yeah, I have a Yahoo address. I have a I have the Google address.

1:00:31 I got one of the early ones so I got my name, you know, the right way it should be. And... Well, did you have to buy it from someone or did you have to wait for three days? No, no, I got in really early and so I got Dvorak. Ah, okay. Cool. So, but I don't use it. I only use Google as a complete backup because I have, you know, I run it through my own server. Yeah. And... Why do you do that? It's just because you started out that way, never wanted to change it or you find it's better for you? What, to have Dvorak.org? No, just to have your own... no, no, no, no. You actually have... you don't use Gmail or any other... It's hosted over by Mark Perkel over at C-Time, Computer Time. He's the one who does it. I've always had my... I've got a domain early.

1:01:14 Devorah.org and I also have Devorah.com that I don't actually use much. But I initially got hooked up with a guy in New Jersey who you know who I thought was just a great guy and he had he was running a service back in the early nineties and he says let me just hosted me do your email to me and then i cheated and it's just kind of bounced around from friend to friend who went to another guy in chicago who's doing it for a while and he got a hard and you know cuz it gets a rough and i should only a professionally and i was going to you know more specific and moved it mark has is the email system you know they were i get no spam and so he needs to do that right through my system because he did not spam so i think i have

1:01:53 So I gave it to him and he's been running it ever since and it's like, you know, quid pro quo. I give him his publicity and he gives me the server space. And I suspect it'll go someplace else someday, although Mark seems to be in the business for a while. But yeah, it's been the tradition of me to keep my own stuff in my own server so I can. Oops, did I lose you, John? FTOS, funnily enough, I can get it. Just give it a second to catch up, John. Oh boy. We really shouldn't do this show unless it's on a weekend. You mean the email provider?

1:02:50 Yeah, they just pull the plug on you. Hey, well you we decided you know, you you're a spammer They come up with something. They don't want you anymore Yeah, and then they all your mails lost and you can't you to be email people send to it just goes into a black hole I just don't like I don't trust these guys Right. Well, you know, you can always, in your MX record, you can always set up a secondary which could be your, I got no spam guy. But regardless, doesn't matter. I was just always interested because I know that you have it with some guy who gives you no spam. And send me his email address. I get spam. Mark, M-A-R-C at Perkel, P-E-R-K-E-L dot com. Okay. Got it.

1:03:31 Well, um, you're going up to Washington for the weekend, John? Yeah, I gotta check in on the deli. See if we're making money, see if we still got some meat in the freezer. Hey man, although I enjoy talking to you, I don't like doing the show during a week when the bandwidth is all crappy. It's distracting as shit. Yeah, we'll try to avoid it. Yeah. You know, just tell Mimi, sorry honey, I can't come up this weekend, I gotta do the show. Well next week for sure we'll do it on Saturday morning or Friday whenever okay, actually we've been doing it on Friday a lot this Saturday is when we don't when we have the best bandwidth or Sunday Yes, and the weekend is always and you know maybe some punk neighborhood kid came home and turned on his bit torrent You don't know what's going on could be anything right all right see what I did. I remember the music this time John yeah, I hear it acknowledge

1:04:32 Oh crap. All right, this has been No Agenda. We'll come back at you another time, sometime near the end of next week. From the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. And from sunny Northern California, I'm John C. Dvorak. And we'll talk to you again next week on No Agenda.