Episode 198 · Sunday, 9 May 2010

Things Could Get Complicated

A deep dive into the suspicious mechanics of the Wall Street Flash Crash, the reality of TSA body scanners, and the corporate interests behind Haitian earthquake relief.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 198

About this episode

The May 6, 2010, stock market Flash Crash saw the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummet nearly 1,000 points in minutes, a collapse mainstream media attributed to a fat finger error at Citibank. However, audio from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange pit reveals a massive bet against the market placed ten minutes prior, suggesting a coordinated event. This episode investigates theories of high-frequency trading beta tests and the role of VST trading code patents originally held by Max Keiser.

In Haiti, UN envoy Bill Clinton faces criticism for a recovery plan that prioritizes moving textile manufacturing from Asia to Port-au-Prince over immediate humanitarian needs. Actor Sean Penn, managing a refugee camp, warns that the American Red Cross has become a mere money-collection operation while children die of preventable diseases like diphtheria. Meanwhile, the United Kingdom navigates a hung parliament following the general election, as Sky News presenter Kay Burley faces backlash for her aggressive framing of the coalition negotiations and the 80 billion euro European bailout fund.

Domestic propaganda surfaces in unexpected places, from sodium-focused nutrition labels on American Dad to high-speed rail normalization in the children’s show Dinosaur Train. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak also examine a TSA body scanner incident in Miami that confirms the machines produce detailed nude images despite government denials. The show concludes with a look at Kanellos, the Greek protest dog who has become a viral symbol of anti-austerity riots in Athens.


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CHAPTER 01 / 34 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 198 Introduction and Live Streaming

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 198 of the No Agenda show on May 9, 2010. They discuss the benefits of listening to the live stream at NoAgendaStream.com versus downloading the podcast via iTunes. The hosts establish their locations in Southern California and Northern Silicon Valley as they prepare for their upcoming 200th episode.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· no agenda· live stream

00:01 Dude, that sounds like a James Bond movie. Adam Curry. John C. DeVore. It's May 9th, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 198. This is no agenda. Guarding the switch that operates the financial earthquake machine. And coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we've got two shows including this one to go before we do show number 200. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! And in the morning to you, my friend, John. In the morning to everybody out there listening. Yes, everybody on the streams. KnowagendaStream.com is where we do it live, Sunday and Thursday morning. Although my recommendation is people have it set up so it automatically downloads on iTunes through the podcast mechanism that allows you to pick up your

00:58 You're sure in the morning and listen on the way to work. That's true, but there's a lot of fun when we do it Live yeah, well we do it live. That's the thing we do a live show essentially live to tape mm-hmm so Anything you want to just pop out there before we jump right into? the news of the day no I've been watching a lot. I was watching some Saturday morning cartoons, and I picked up that there's a little show with these little dinosaurs and kind of done in CG. I have nothing but propaganda. It's amazing. There's most of the... Is that the one you sent me? The YouTube video? No, that's a different one. That's actually done by Fiore, the cartoonist over here in San Francisco who is... was the guy they banned from the Apple iPod.

CHAPTER 02 / 34 Discussion

American Dad Sodium Content and Health Propaganda

A viewer observation from the animated show American Dad describes a scene where a character examines a nutrition label specifically for sodium content. The discussion suggests this is an example of unnecessary health propaganda embedded in entertainment media. The hosts debate whether creator Seth MacFarlane is mocking the obsession with salt or participating in a broader "brainwashing" effort.

american dad· seth macfarlane· sodium· nutrition label· propaganda

01:50 or the iPhone or whatever. Oh, because he was a... he does satire? He's an editorial cartoonist that is now doing animations. Right. And he's hilarious. I met him once. He's one of the... he is one of the most talented guys in the country. It's funny you mention that about cartoons. I got a note from producer Jason. He was watching American Dad. which is the Seth MacFarlane show. Yeah. And he says there's a scene in it, I haven't actually looked at it myself, I believe it's the most recent one. Old lady in the grocery store, she's at the counter, picks up a pack of something and for no reason flips it over. Camera zooms in on the nutrition label and it goes straight into the sodium content, which is, he says like 240. Camera cuts back to the old lady, she shakes her head and puts it back and the scene continues.

02:39 Completely unnecessary in the entire storyline. But it's salt! We've got to get rid of salt! So Seth MacFarlane... It may have been pointing out the fact that it's idiotic. Maybe. I don't think people are figuring out that this is happening yet. This is not quite so prevalent. Well, we want to start off with something a little light since we're going into this kind of... the way the brainwashing is working here now and again. I've got an interesting little thing we have to play. A Diddy? Yeah, a little ditty. Yeah, sure. Let's play a ditty. I got two of them from their two law and order clips back to back. Wait, wait. Okay. It seems as though Dick Wolf has flipped on at least one issue. Wait a minute. He's not on board with the program anymore? At least on this one. Either that or he or or or if he says we we know he's lockstep, right? Yeah. Maybe they program is not what we think it is.

CHAPTER 03 / 34 Discussion

Law and Order Climate Change and Climategate Narrative

Two clips from the television series Law and Order depict characters debating the validity of human-caused climate change and the ethics of cap and trade. One segment explicitly references "stolen emails" and scientists "cooking their numbers," which mirrors the real-world Climategate controversy. The hosts suggest producer Dick Wolf may be using the show to turn actual news events into fiction to manage public perception.

law and order· dick wolf· climate change· cap and trade· climategate

03:39 Play one. Oh, okay. ...that human conduct causes climate change is open to debate. What's indisputable is the foolishness of the solutions to that supposed problem. Cap and trade of carbon emissions injects scientists into the financial sector, where we have no place to be! Excuse me. Excuse me. I do not agree with Dr. Silva's views on global warming, but that does not mean that he is wrong about cap and trade. It's a racket, and government policy should look elsewhere. Thank you, Dr. Brown. It's nice to know that we can find common ground even... even despite our ideological differences. Oh, okay. And then he drops dead, by the way. Okay.

04:33 I don't call that a flip just yet. Okay, then play clip two. We got a double flip. We have to adjust these data hiccups. Any temperature anomalies will encourage the climate deniers. We can't allow that. Sounds like they were fudging data. Silva's not on the distro list for these emails, meaning he's not supposed to have them. And the stolen emails proving that two global warming scientists were cooking their numbers. No wonder Silva was worried about somebody hacking his computer. All right, so maybe Brown or Catamoult figured out that Silva had hacked theirs and decided to shut him up.

05:13 Guess who was on the panel with Silva? But either way, that guy sounds a lot like Obama. No, the big black guy. Yeah, yeah! Really? He's a stand-up comic. It doesn't sound enough like him, but he could probably do him. He's a stand-up comic and a lot of black comics are finally picking up the Obama cadence. See, I don't watch the show, so I don't really know what the guy looks like, but just listening to him, yeah, the cadence is really right there. But this is obvious, John. This is to make the Climategate emails to turn that into fiction. That's the way I read it. Nah. Yeah, if you can't cover it up, turn it up. It's the number one rule in show business. Nah. Eh. Hey, happy Mother's Day, by the way. Well, happy Mother's Day to you, Mother. Did you know that this is actually an official day? And that it never was? What do you mean it's an official day that never was? Okay, I shall tell you. Because as you know, not only do we watch C-SPAN so you don't have to,

CHAPTER 04 / 34 Discussion

Barack Obama Proclaims Mother's Day 2010

President Barack Obama issued a formal proclamation on May 7, 2010, designating May 9 as Mother's Day. While a joint resolution in 1914 originally established the holiday, the hosts note the unusual nature of a modern president re-ratifying the observance. They briefly compare the timing of Mother's Day in the United States to different dates used in England and the Netherlands.

barack obama· mother's day· presidential proclamation· whitehouse.gov· 1914 resolution

06:15 But I also go to the whitehouse.gov website and always look at the... So you don't have to. So you don't have to, believe me, you don't have to. To go to the presidential actions and on May 7th there was a presidential proclamation Generations of mothers have labored tirelessly and effort selfless to support and guide their children and families blahdy blahdy blahdy blahdy blahdy blahdy blah. The Congress by joint resolution approved May 8th 1914 designated the second Sunday in May each year as Mother's Day and requested the president to call for its appropriate observance. Apparently that never happened so therefore I Barack Obama

06:59 President of the United States of America do hereby proclaim May 9th 2010 as Mother's Day. Let's express our deepest love and thanks to our mothers and remember those who though no longer with us inspire us still. So apparently this was proposed in 1914 never did a president ratify it or proclaim it and he's come out and done it. Well Obama has accomplished something. And I'm sure he got a big check in the mail from Hallmark. I just thought that was kind of interesting. Yeah, it's very interesting, very unusual. Because Mother's Day is not the same all over the world, you know. It's a different day in England, a different day in the Netherlands. The Netherlands is the same, Belgium is a different day. It's a different day in many different countries. I know. Yeah, well, so the global governance will straighten all that out. The first order of business will be Mother's Day. To normalize Mother's Day. I think it's in the Lisbon Treaty somewhere.

CHAPTER 05 / 34 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits and Brad Meltzer Book Plug

The hosts acknowledge executive producers Howard G. Hill and Kent Zeiser for their financial support of the episode. Associate executive producer Noah Cutler is also thanked for his contribution, which included a request to mention Brad Meltzer's non-fiction book, Heroes for My Son. The segment outlines the show's "Value for Value" model where listeners underwrite the production in exchange for credits.

howard g. hill· kent zeiser· noah cutler· brad meltzer· heroes for my son

08:03 So, do we have an executive producer for this episode? Yeah, we have a couple of executive producers and a couple of associate executive producers. Howard G. Hill, who will also be a knight out of Akron, Ohio, gave us $1,000. Wow. And with no comment. Kent Zeiser, who's already a knight. Is he Zeiser or Zee-ser? Zee-ser. Yeah. He's already a knight. Sir Kent in Clovis, New Mexico. Either that or he's a Black Knight, I'm not sure. And those are our executive producers. I want to thank them both for contributing and paying for this show this day. Noah Cutler of Austin, Texas.

08:53 uh... he wants us to plug a bookie likes brad melcher's nonfiction book heroes heroes for my son he wrote it in the morning uh... here are the rules of that this is a look knows brad melcher's over a mentor my sir melcher or ever bad heroes for my son dot com uh... and he just likes the book fed anyway at two hundred twenty two hours and twenty two cents a lucky twos and then that uh... Oh, I'm sorry that that's the only one that we have. We do have a new Deuce Club member but that'll be taken care of on the 200.5 show. A couple of, although no PR associates, a couple of interesting ideas that came in because what we're looking for is we're looking at people to propagate the message of No Agenda, get it out there, a number of ways you can do it. D. Keith Ray

CHAPTER 06 / 34 Discussion

Home Shopping Channel Marketing Strategy

A listener suggestion proposes calling into home shopping channels to mention No Agenda during live product testimonials. The hosts discuss the demographics of people who watch 24-hour shopping networks for electronics and jewelry. They ultimately dismiss the idea of starting their own shopping show due to the perceived workload involved.

home shopping network· qvc· marketing· call-in lines· junk jewelry

09:47 Says hey all those home shopping channels have call-in lines we can call in and talk about what a great purchase you made You can call and slip in they heard about the product on no agenda calm in the morning the beauty is That the people that watch these shows already are predisposed to purchasing stuff over the air the internet donation should you come streaming in? Those people definitely need help that's for sure the ones that watch those shows and Well, you have to be pretty bored because basically all they're doing is running through different kinds of products. Yeah. Usually, of course now over the years it's changed. In the early days of those shows, like 15 years ago or more, there were maybe only a couple of them that had stuff, it was almost like a variety show except they always kind of had mostly junk jewelry. And now they have a junk jewelry channel and an electronics channel and they have all these different ones

10:45 that you have just one sort of clothes. But it's a real show and the people call up, hey, what a great product you had on the show. I've been watching the show. Maybe we should get us one of those shows. We could. Yeah, maybe not. Sounds like work. Miles says hey we just get a day's worth No, I bet you we could No, just just no. Yeah, come on. We could be on the air. Hey there John and Adam big fan of no agenda D Dvorak Horowitz unplugged and the Charlie I'm a 20 year old computer science

CHAPTER 07 / 34 Discussion

Search Engine Optimization and No Agenda Community

A computer science student from Melbourne, Australia, offers to assist the show with search engine optimization (SEO) for its various websites. The hosts discuss the "No Agenda Army," a decentralized group of listeners who contribute skills and resources without formal meetings or organization. They reiterate that the show relies entirely on this community because it does not accept traditional advertising.

seo· melbourne· search engine optimization· no agenda network· community

11:22 student part-time SEO expert in Melbourne, Australia. I'm in the process of putting together a little website I had an idea for. Basically an SEO optimized online yellow pages. And he's saying, hey, you know, maybe we should get a lot of people SEOing your stuff. And he's happy to do that for us. On his end and I think there's a lot of people who do this search engine optimization stuff although we we kill it with no agenda We can always do better for the plethora of sites we have So no agenda Network comm is where you can find a lot of them or in the links that rock section of the show notes Posted with every show and I think that's a good idea Because this is you know we have such an enormous

12:07 I have to say army that's out there that is just doing amazing stuff. We have an organization without having an organization. Most importantly, we have no meetings. And I thought that was a pretty good idea. Anyway, I want to thank our executive producers for this episode Howard G Hill and Kent Zser and our associate executive producer Noah Cutler you have completely underwritten the show we highly appreciate it It's important because we don't have commercials. There's no other way for us to do it You can put it on your resume, put it in your email signature, try and get it on IMDB, but it has been known to get you jobs and once in a while to get you laid. However, the most important thing is for you to go out and talk about our formula which is really, really simple. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. And of course, we have more slogans. Come on chat room, say it with me. Shut up, sleep. I can just see my neighbors freaking out about now.

13:18 They're all listening to the show. Alright, you got these neighbors listening to the show. This guy is crazy. Janet, what are we going to do? Yeah. They know our address now. What are we going to do, Janet? Janet, you don't know how funny that is in regards to my neighbors. And yeah, they had a nice welcome to the neighborhood party for us last night. You sure it wasn't a prelude to wife swapping? Come on. Dude, it... I'm not even gonna tell, it's too funny when you say- okay I'll tell you. Uh, 26 families in this street are, uh, gay couples. So, all your Janet stuff is pretty funny. It was like, 15 guys and Mickey last night. It was great. 15 guys and- yeah for her. Yeah, but uh, no wife swapping. Oh. Oh.

CHAPTER 08 / 34 Discussion

Bill Clinton and Haitian Textile Manufacturing Plans

Former President Bill Clinton, acting as UN envoy to Haiti, discusses the progress of earthquake recovery efforts and the management of $8 billion in aid. Clinton outlines a plan to move textile manufacturing from Asia to Haiti to take advantage of proximity to the United States. Critics argue the plan focuses on corporate interests and cheap labor rather than immediate humanitarian needs like sanitation for millions living in tent camps during the rainy season.

bill clinton· haiti· united nations· textile manufacturing· rainy season

14:15 So let me just kick it right off with, if you don't mind John, because we've talked about this a number of times and I just have to come back to Haiti because of course it's pretty much dropped off the radar everywhere. Oh of course, well it's because we got other things to do. That is much more important. And former President Clinton, who of course is the United Nations envoy to Haiti, and he's in charge of the eight billion dollars that is going to rebuild the nation. He was interviewed by one of our national treasurers, PBS, who by the way, I don't know who these two jabronis were and you can look at the links in the show notes at noagendashow.com. There's like two jabronis, a guy and a gal sitting next to each other and they're just asking the president questions. No follow-up, no nothing, just like reading off the script. Mr. President, what do you think about Haiti?

15:07 And I want you to listen to this clip, John, particularly the moment, and you'll actually say it because you're the one that called it previously, when he telegraphs a lie coming up. Here we go. I'm glad it worked out the way it did. Can you give us an update on Haiti? We're into the rainy season. The 7,000 most vulnerable people, that is people that were living mostly in Petionville, in the lowest areas and therefore they could actually be drowned living in their tents if their area flooded. They've been moved out. I personally think we still need to move another 10 or 15,000 people and we're debating all that. We're doing better according to this coalition of NGOs that just came out.

16:06 There's millions of people in tent camps, millions! Like, well, the rainy season is here, we've moved 7,000 people. Oh, wow! And obviously they're gonna drown in their tents because when it floods they just stay on their sides and swallow air. They don't bother to get out of the tents. Listen to what this elitist prick has to say. We're doing better according to this coalition of NGOs that just completed a review yesterday. Which means we had a meeting. We had a meeting about those people down there. Sanitation into the tent camps, but you got a couple million people living in these tent shelters and I don't think there's enough sanitation so we're working on that. We will soon have staffed this commission that Prime Minister Belarive and I are going to co-chair and we'll start reviewing the proposals for spending the big government and multilateral donor money. Okay, so they're gonna have a meeting about spending your money.

17:04 They're people that are dying. The reign is upon them. Oh, we're going to have a meeting pretty soon. And we're talking about all that big government money, all those donations, all those NGOs. Yeah, we're going to have a meeting about that. We're going to have a meeting. And I hope that soon we'll be able to start bringing investors back in. The US... Oh yeah, we need some investors for the offshore banking. ...House cast a very important vote yesterday with overwhelming bipartisan margins to let us bring more textiles manufacturing into the United States from Haiti. Okay, so they need to make our clothes cheap. Yeah, more textile manufacturing. Yeah, we

17:42 We're going to back it up just a little bit because he says into the United States. He's talking about finished products in the United States. Okay, the South manufacturing in to the United States from Haiti into the United States factoring into the United States from what he's talking about So what he's taught well, the next part is coming. So he's talking about Reigniting the textile industry in Haiti so that that could be shipped to the United States. Shelly. You wanted to reignite in the United States using Haitians No, it gets actually it's worse. He doesn't want to use Haitians at all here it comes And they know that almost a hundred percent of this is going to be moved from Asia and to Haiti So bring the Chinese children over to Haiti so they can make our shoes

18:25 and ship them into America nice and cheap. That's not the way I read it. No, that's not what I'm hearing. What are you hearing then? Well in the last comedy, they say we have a lot of manufacturing facilities in Asia making our shirts and they're gonna move those manufacturing facilities to Haiti and the Haitians will be making our shirts. To take advantage of closer proximity so it won't cost any American jobs and I think that you know that's gonna be good. Yeah. What do you mean it won't cost any American jobs? Oh, I know what he's saying. We've lost all of our jobs making shirts. And it's in Asia right now and it's gonna move it to Haiti and it's not gonna cost us any jobs because we haven't got any jobs. Correct. What we really need to focus on now is getting the tourism back up. Yay! Tourism! We need more tourism. Let's go, hey honey, let's go look at them tents. Let's go look at them ten people.

19:19 That's pretty cool, I hear. I hear there's got lots of rain there now. They should have a bus tour. The William Jefferson Clinton bus tour of the Haitian refugee camp. Lovely, lovely Bill. Ah, there's more. Getting the manufacturing going, build some more airport capacity. Yeah, we've got to fly there. I've got to land my jet. More port capacity at competitive prices. Then I think the Haitians will be able to work themselves back and even far beyond where they were. Okay, so that's Clinton's plan. I have another clip that is a double clipper. And this is Sean Penn who has been in Haiti

CHAPTER 09 / 34 Discussion

Sean Penn Criticizes Red Cross Operations in Haiti

Actor Sean Penn, managing a refugee camp in Port-au-Prince, criticizes the bureaucracy of international aid agencies and the American Red Cross. Penn claims the Red Cross has been out of the medical field for 50 years and is primarily a money-collection operation. He warns that without immediate spending on the Haitian people, the country will become a wasteland despite long-term rebuilding plans.

sean penn· american red cross· haiti· humanitarian aid· j/p hro

20:01 for three months the guys on the ground he's eating crap out of tin cans he's basically running a camp he started a camp and so he's a camp manager is what they call a guy like him now and he's you know he's real he has no shoes those have been worn down he's walking around barefoot and just trying to help people now this was on 360 Anderson Vanderbilt's show who by the way I was Assured last night Anderson is gay. Not that it matters, but I was like, what? Assured? Duh! I didn't know that! I think he's come out. I didn't know that! Because I don't care, but I was like, oh, okay. Interesting. I was talking about Anderson Cooper and it's like, well, he's gay. But the hate... Oh, he's gay. All right, whatever. Well, I have a list of people I want you to check out then. Okay. I'll go to the neighbors. They know all the scoop. They always know. Yeah, they do.

20:59 So Sean Penn is in Haiti and the story that they're covering is about this boy who died of dystheria, I think it is, which can be solved or fixed very easily if you have proper medication. And Sean Penn launches into Although he's, I think he's afraid to do the whole thing into how there's no help, how the Red Cross sucks. And then of course there's a very interesting comeback from Anderson Vanderbilt and Sanjay Gupta.

21:35 who are back in the studio. So listen to Sean Penn, because this is what's... You just heard the president, well, you know, we got 7,000 tents and, you know, a little bit worried about sanitation, but otherwise let's get tourism, let's get an airport, yeah! So what's really going on, Sean Penn tells you. This is the beginning, unless everybody realizes that the disaster is still on. This is a disaster and a bigger one than the earthquake waiting to happen. And so all the inertia of all all these agencies. Right now, if I were putting my money on an agency that was actually ready to act, it would be the government of Haiti. Because all of the bureaucracy of all of these other agencies keep wanting to point the finger at the government of Haiti, but we know as camp managers that they were not prepared when we were ready to do our relocation, which was the first relocation in Port-au-Prince. That a lot of these agencies had not prepared. And I don't want to get into a finger pointing because I know how passionate so many are

22:27 But if one more person tells me that they're an expert from Africa and I'm an actor from Hollywood, I'm going to get on here and I'll tell you every name of every schadenfreudeist at log base that lives or dies guys with the same disease that's going to kill these people if people don't start doing. And the American Red Cross people should know, David Melcher has been very communicative, the president of the American Red Cross, but they should know that that is not going to do it, that money, unless they push that organization and all the other organizations and our our organization to get off their butts, people are going to die in mass. That organization has basically been out of the medical field for 50 years. And I thought that was really interesting that he said that because the Red Cross still kind of has this aura of being, you know, cash, cash, medical help. And he says they've been out of the medical business for 50 years. Yeah, there's just a money collection operation and they're not dishing it out. And so now, yes, they spent one hundred million dollars

23:28 for the World Food Program's food that came? Yes, they did. But most people think the World Food Program does that and that the money is coming into these other things. Everybody is saying we gotta wait, this is a rebuild Haiti. There won't be a Haiti to rebuild without the people of Haiti. So that while I am absolutely supportive of permanent shelters, of communities, of economies built, and manufacturing for jobs, People have to realize that money has to be spent right now and the organizations and I will say the JPHRO is among them. So Sean Penn is basically saying yeah great idea but if you don't save the people there'll be no Haiti it'll just be wasteland which I think is the plan. Yeah, no we've asserted this before that that is the plan.

CHAPTER 10 / 34 Discussion

Anderson Cooper and Sanjay Gupta on Haiti Vaccinations

CNN's Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta discuss the death of a Haitian boy from diphtheria, a preventable disease. They emphasize the need for widespread vaccination programs through UNICEF and other agencies. The podcast hosts criticize this focus, suggesting that the media prioritizes "vaccinate, vaccinate" narratives over the immediate survival concerns raised by Sean Penn.

anderson cooper· sanjay gupta· vaccines· diphtheria· unicef

24:12 So he's just basically crying in the dark, you know, kind of well it just to make it worse in the wind Yeah, just to make it worse and I'll get off the topic. So what is the so here's Sean Penn? He's saying look, yeah, if I hear one more person who's an expert about Africa saying you're just a Hollywood actor What do you know shut up slave? He said, you know, I'm gonna go nuts. So what is the comeback from Anderson Vanderbilt and Sanjay Gupta? Sanjay, what do you make of this? I mean, the fact that something like diphtheria, which they claim they're going to start vaccinating for, I mean, UNICEF says they have a whole program, they're going to start vaccinating on the ground as well as for other things which they don't currently vaccinate for. The fact that, you know, you couldn't find the medicine to treat this little boy, what do you make of it?

24:53 It's a preventable stupid death, just like you said at the beginning. In fairness, even before the earthquake, only about half the country received vaccines. So it's all about vaccines! We gotta vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate. Let's get some vaccinations. It's crazy, it's vaccination. We need some vaccines. What do you think Sanjay? We need some vaccines. Vaccines! Shoot em up! And that's all they can talk about. And Sean Penn is saying people are about to drown, they're about to die. Need some vaccines. Vaccines, vaccines. Fix them right up. So, hope you all enjoyed that show where we all cried and we all texted our money to the Red Cross. Alright, backslash. Okay. Maybe I should just play the... Just so I can get it out of my system.

CHAPTER 11 / 34 Discussion

Bill Maher and Demographic Shifts in Europe and America

Comedian Bill Maher discusses demographic changes in Europe and the United States, suggesting that Arab and Mexican populations will eventually "breed their way to power." The segment features a panel with Salman Rushdie and a former Goldman Sachs executive. The hosts critique the "laugh track" nature of the show and the perceived lack of pushback against Maher's controversial statements on race and immigration.

bill maher· salman rushdie· demographics· immigration· fox news

25:47 I like the way you stole my Diddy and put your own name on it. I didn't make the Diddy, it was sent to me. I didn't have a Diddy, I was using your Diddy. Where does that come from by the way, the word Diddy? I don't know, I have no idea. I'm not a Diddy expert. I could look it up. So let's see what we got but most of my stuff by the way that I picked up this week because I was watching C-Span I wasn't getting much I did get some stuff from the wait. Can I play the jingle to what? Don't have to see

26:27 The only thing I really got off a C-SPAN, most of my stuff is real news, but the C-SPAN thing, I did get the unemployment guy coming on and moaning and groaning because the unemployment figures came out last Friday and they were rather odd because jobs went up but unemployment did too somehow. Yeah, well I think the jobs, a lot of it was the census takers that are part-time jobs, that was at least half of it. Yeah, but yeah, and didn't I see Bill Maher like and I I just refused to pull clips from his show anymore because I could be doing it every week and he comes out in his monologue. He says hey, it's working We the president created more jobs I'm like you have an unemployment went up from nine point seven percent to nine point nine in your fake numbers And you six went up to which is the bad one. Yeah, so

27:17 Well, you mentioned it here. Play my Maher clip and get it out of the way. Oh, hold on. Do you have it? This is Bill Maher's attitude about everything. Just, some... Oh, you do have it. Okay, here we go. That's Maher Brown? Is that the one? Yeah. Okay. Brown people are probably going to, and I say this without judgment, breed their way to power in both Europe and America. I know. I saw this. Arab populations are growing in countries like France, Britain and Holland. And I think we all see where this Mexican thing is going in America. Do you hear the laugh track?

27:56 That's such a laugh track, that one. That's right, because they fuck more, the darker skinned people are going to rule the world and white people, for their own self-preservation, should get a start on being nice to them now. Nice! Just be nice to the poor and desperate people who change our depends and cook our food, hopefully not in that order. Alright, I want to thank my guest Salman Rushdie, Alex. Yeah, right. So did you see that Fox VP? She's scared. She's a former Goldman Sachs person. Yeah, I know. Did you see how she would hold her hands continuously down on the desk like, be quiet slave, just be quiet slave, I'm telling you what to do slave, this is the way it is slave. She was a horrible, frightening woman.

28:48 She was totally, but she was dominating the situation. She was like a dominatrix or something. Mara, nobody was challenging her. No, no, because she was too scary. And then Salman Rushdie, who is, seems to be on board with everything. Oh yeah, he's useless. Yeah, you know, I don't, he was like some kind of hero for a while. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't know. So anyway, that was just that we know where Mars coming from. So back to unemployment. Okay, play the unemployment clip and a couple items in here. There's a long clip, but we interrupt and talk, but he said this is just a depressing scenario. By the way, there's a couple of guys in the chat room saying they are white and available for fucking.

CHAPTER 12 / 34 Discussion

U6 Unemployment Rate and College Graduate Debt

The U6 unemployment rate, which includes underemployed and discouraged workers, shows a slight increase despite official job growth reports. Discussion focuses on the plight of recent college graduates who are struggling with high debt and low-paying jobs. The hosts clarify that "small business" is often misdefined by the IRS and that government aid rarely reaches the mom-and-pop shops with fewer than 25 employees.

u6 unemployment· college graduates· student debt· manufacturing· small business

29:33 So, yeah, sure they are. So, this is a depressing, and we want to thank everyone who donates to the show, especially those of you that are working because the situation is grim. Listen to this. I can tell you that our broadest measure of labor underutilization, our so-called, it's a terrible name, U6, which are people who are actively looking but also include people who are underemployed by either being part-time or people who are discouraged. That ticked up as well at about two-tenths of a percent like the unemployment rate, but again that's affected by the number of people looking, the labor force.

30:18 And then one of the things that I've heard from people, recent graduates, you know, who just, I got a letter from a woman who, St. Paul, Minnesota, 24-year-old daughter, 2008 College Honors graduate. Mom says, stuck in a low-paying desk job and sinking under her debt. She just told me I have no dreams anymore. So what is happening with these young workers who are just recent college graduates. Do you have any numbers on those or can you get it for me? We can get it for you. I can tell you just generally those numbers haven't been very good. The young folks, recent graduates have

30:58 more than their share of the brunt of the recession. But we can get to more precise numbers. So as we're looking at policies and what we can do to work with businesses, we've talked about small businesses, as you know I'm a big fan of doing more with exports and those kinds of things to work as partners with private industry. The recent graduate issue you and I have talked about, the difference between someone with a college degree, advanced degree, high school degree. Do you have those numbers and have they changed as we've added more manufacturing jobs? By the way, I'll interrupt for a moment. I did some work because this has been thrown around too easily, even in the Bill Maher show where the horrible woman

31:37 Goldman Sachs shill is saying a small business. Oh, yeah small business small business small business small bit Do you know what small business is do you know what that is categorized as by the IRS? Something like under 200 million or something no small business is less than 25 employees where the average salary is $40,000 less than 25 employees. Yeah, that's a small business and I mean, that's like mom and pop. Well, I mean, 25, I think is actually, I mean, if you have, I always say, if you have 20 employees, you might as well have 200. It's the same amount of hassle.

32:16 But, you know, it's just important to understand because when she's talking about college graduates, they're not going to go to work for $40,000. They're not going to be part of a small business that's getting all this amazing help. They're not though. This guy pointed out that in fact most people have shown that even by that definition, small business is not getting any help. All the money is going to the big companies and they're the ones doing all the hiring if they hire at all. and the fact of the matter is you did the good it indication of this is a really comes up with the numbers later where he says that a college graduates a typical which can contradicts new college graduates which is this around thirteen to fifteen percent unemployment rate he says college graduates some have some like five generally and uh... people that you have only have like just under high school diploma which would normally be working in manufacturing in the olden days they don't have any work prospects whatsoever in their unemployment rate is the same

33:08 coincidentally as returning veterans which is around 13 to 15 percent. So essentially everybody's out at work and there's no way of picking up the slack unless you start government programs like these you know like that Roosevelt did where you have people you know building monuments and bridges and you know slave labor. Trains! Trains. Well the trains is part of that yeah it's a scam. So I don't know. I mean it just seems to me as though this is coming to a head and of course the stock market Skittishness didn't help things Talk about that. Well. Yeah, I know it's funny because I was on the treadmill And I listened to Dvorak Horowitz unplugged

CHAPTER 13 / 34 Discussion

Stock Market Flash Crash and Fat Finger Theory

The May 6, 2010, stock market "Flash Crash" saw the Dow Jones Industrial Average drop nearly 1,000 points in minutes. While mainstream reports blame a "fat finger" trading error at Citibank, the hosts examine audio from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange pit during the collapse. They highlight a massive bet against the market placed ten minutes before the crash as evidence of a coordinated event rather than an accident.

flash crash· cme· fat finger theory· goldman sachs· s&p futures

33:52 And I was surprised that David Horowitz buys into the whole... Andrew. Why did I say David? I'm sorry. Andrew. Because there's a David Horowitz who does the right-wing talk stuff. I'm sorry. Andrew. I'm surprised that he, and you seem to agree with him, just are buying into the fat thumb theory that some trader somewhere accidentally entered a B instead of an M. And I'm like, what? Hopefully you're setting up the audience to talk about this on Sunday is what I was thinking. Surely you don't believe that lie, do you? It apparently happens quite commonly. Oh yeah, we see a thousand point drop all the time. Yeah, I don't think so. In fact, I... The results are very rarely this. I mean, you know, if you... We have a memo from a Goldman guy that we both read. Which I... Look, from a Goldman guy who... And by the way, I think the guy is good and he's...

34:48 and he's trying to give us the right information, but he's not on the inside. He's just working there and having a good time. Well, I think we did bring up the point that it was when they announced the fine against Goldman that the mishap occurred. So I think there was some indication that it could have been something other than the fat finger theory. Yeah, but you didn't talk about it and I'd like to tell you that I... Yes, we did. He talked about the... it was fat finger theory. That's all you guys come up with. He talked about the Goldman thing. You didn't listen carefully enough. I listened very... let me tell you. So first of all, I know what happened. I think maybe it would be interesting to, because this happened in Chicago, it happened at the CME, and our Goldman guy actually did send us, I think this will be fun for the listeners just for a second to listen to, I guess this is a Goldman guy who's on the phone or in communication with the traders in the pit, yeah? By the way, we should mention something too, since you have new listeners listening, if they haven't tuned out.

35:50 The neighbors are going, oh brother. It seems as if, and we should probably mention this, most people in the world either work for Goldman or the CIA, except the two of us. And we have our resumes in. So they're either working for Goldman or the CIA and everybody else is just kind of unemployed. Yeah, not important. So it's not as though the Goldman guy, everybody's a Goldman guy. There's ridiculous numbers of these people, but go ahead. All right, so let's listen just because it's just fun to listen to a little bit of the pit at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. I guess this is the S&P futures or I don't know what the hell is being traded. Commodities. Yes, but I guess it's futures on the commodities.

36:31 It doesn't matter. Listen to the... You gotta stop right here at 45. Or 50. I mean, but this... That's way too much. What is it? Is it 75 then or what? What'd you say it was 1050 something? 1053. So 90 handles? That's too much. Right, right, right, right, right. That's way too much. 40 Van Baten Hale now, guys. 40. You're talking about a thousand dial points. You know, it's just too much. 13 even video now once again, I'm at 13 even about 13 outs are trading right now. All right guys. Sorry about that There's nothing I can do about that guys once again on it for you here in a big way paper came in Huge paper sellers coming through here guys. We got fast market up on the boards here. Once again We have seen some big paper sellers coming in it all started out up above around 38 even here now guys talking about 25 handles of solids

37:27 They have just pees a limit down and the S&Ps would be 11 50 I'm sorry 10 53 even so we still have a solid 60 handles of range left here to come to sell them again So let me just put a couple things in perspective and this and this is just fun to listen to it's about 11 minutes and it's in the show notes at no agenda show.com you can listen to the whole thing so

38:15 I'm presuming this is a Goldman guy since our Goldman guy gave us this clip. He's a floor trader, could be anybody. No, I don't think he's a floor trader. I think he's calling down to the floor traders. It doesn't matter. These guys don't actually know what's happening. Here's what you need to know. 10 minutes before the crash, which took place in a 2-3 minute time span, there was an enormous put that like 200,000 puts were put out. and put is basically betting again, I'm sorry, it was $200,000 on the June S&P. In other words, someone's betting on the market tanking 10 minutes before it took place. So even though all these trades were canceled and everything was pulled back, someone made big money and you better know that it's going to be the Goldman guys. Now by the way, what they did, I don't believe is technically illegal, but I spoke to

CHAPTER 14 / 34 Discussion

High-Frequency Trading Beta Test and Trader Zero

A theory is presented suggesting the recent market crash was a "beta test" of high-frequency trading code conducted by freelance programmers. The narrative involves a programmer flying into Chicago to recompile code and "flip the switch" on a financial earthquake machine before fleeing to Russia. This theory posits that the crash was a demonstration of power by financial entities rather than a technical glitch.

high-frequency trading· trader zero· beta test· russia· financial earthquake machine

39:12 someone who knows what we'll call Trader Zero. Now do you remember John, the guy who was arrested at Newark Airport because he had quote stolen some of this high-frequency trading code? Yeah. Okay, so he wasn't the only guy that had the code. I wouldn't think. And so there were a number of other guys and I will just have to say more than likely of Russian-Orient And not all of them are adverse to Goldman. In fact, these guys, these programmers, they work pretty much freelance and they'll go to the highest bidder. These guys make a lot of money. So here's the story as I was told. I, of course, have no way to back it up. And the only reason I believe I'm being told this is because the person who understands this just needs to get it off his chest and just tell someone because this is pretty much the only show where we explain kind of what's happening. So the guy comes in.

40:07 He changes the code just a little bit and he and my my contacts is this was a beta test. They flicked the switch for a second just like just like the earthquake machine. In fact, this is the financial earthquake machine flip the switch adjusted the code and it wasn't targeted at any stock. not just yet go ahead i'm just gonna say if they were like the you more likely if the story for a district with this idea the guy had to have the cody had to recompile it is to begin with and then you have to install it yet and you flip the switch you wouldn't change the code on the flight is that just what doesn't believe these things were operate correct but he was he was flown into chicago this is the information i have flown into chicago

40:58 recompiled the code, flipped the switch, and it was completely at random whatever was trading at that moment, which happened to be like PNG, so it was not targeted towards any stock as some like Sorsha Fall reports. It was just random, just a beta tested. They put in 200,000 put options just before the switch was flipped. And then everything else took over. All these external exchanges, you know, people have no idea how this works anymore. It's not just the New York Stock Exchange. Spaghetti code. It's a million different computer systems trading. So I think that this was, if anything, to say, hey, we can do this.

41:36 Be careful, we know how to do it. I'm not saying that's not without... that sounds like a James Bond movie. And the guy actually flew out the same day, out of the country. The guy? The guy. Now what's interesting about this is that... Back to Switzerland I assume. No, probably to Germany and then from Germany to Russia. Oh, you're blaming this on the Russians. No, I'm blaming it on Goldman Sachs. But it's not illegal. They just changed the way the code works. It's not like they're doing illegal stuff. They're just saying, hey, we're going to flick that switch. Watch what happens.

CHAPTER 15 / 34 Discussion

Max Keiser and VST Trading Code Patents

Max Keiser, creator of the Hollywood Stock Exchange, is identified as the original patent holder for VST code, which was designed to combat market manipulation. The hosts explain that reverse-engineering this code resulted in modern high-frequency trading systems. Keiser reportedly lost his ability to reclaim the code after patent documents were destroyed in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

max keiser· vst code· cantor fitzgerald· world trade center· high-frequency trading

42:17 What's interesting about this high frequency trading code, it was invented and patented by Max Kaiser. Did you know that? No, that's interesting. Yeah, so Max Kaiser of course is the guy who now, he created the Hollywood Stock Exchange, which was a fake stock exchange. And he now lives in Paris and he reports for Russian television and he has his own podcast. He's a maniac, he's a great podcaster because he's really attention-getting. He was on one of the BBC shows once. and I think we played a clip and he was so outrageous they never brought him back. The guy's entertaining to watch of course, I think he's pretty much absolutely right. He calls Bernanke and little Timmy Geithner arsonists and anyway financial terrorists. So he created this code called VST and it was actually intended to do exactly the opposite because when he was running the Hollywood Stock Exchange

43:13 which was a fake exchange. What happened is the movie companies and agencies that represent their big-name clients got really upset that the stock of their customers was going down and people were saying, oh this movie's gonna suck. And so they tried, they pressured Max Keiser and they wanted him to start manipulating these markets and they found ways to start manipulating the market and they were doing it just because of the PR value. So he created this code called VST. I forget what it stands for at the moment. And it was actually intended to combat this very problem. However, if you reverse engineer, if you reverse the process of VST, you have the high frequency trading system. And he patented that and he got out of the business and he sold it to

44:04 Canter Fitzgerald and he wants to pull it back but he can't because the the agreements the patent agreements and the proof that that they receive the code all burned up in the World Trade Tower demolition. I know it's crazy isn't it? Yeah. Hey do your little whistle. I'm actually kind of interested in this. Yeah, you kind of like it, don't you? So I predict that this will happen again. Of course, the smoking gun for me is the 200 puts on the June S&P. Someone knew it. This is much higher volume in betting against the market than you see. So someone knew it was going to happen. And of course, whoever that was is unidentifiable, just like the put options that were put on all the airlines prior to 9-11.

44:59 This is no coincidence. In fact, it is pretty suspect and the fat finger theory, like I said, fat fingers have been around forever and they've never caused this kind of a catastrophe. But Citibank is denying it. Everyone says that's not true. There were no anomalies. The SEC has, if you look at sec.gov, they say we don't know what happened. We're still investigating. So all of that is rumor and hearsay. But of course, the Lame stream news has been programmed to give you that information. So you think, oh, okay, it was just someone with a fat face. Oh, it was a little mistake. Oh, it can happen. And meanwhile, someone made a bundle of money and I believe it was Goldman, which is fine. I don't care. It wasn't illegal. I wish they would contribute more to this show. Yes, that's the whole point. Give more to us. Speaking of Goldman, I didn't know this.

CHAPTER 16 / 34 Discussion

Elena Kagan Goldman Sachs Connection and Supreme Court

Solicitor General Elena Kagan is identified as a front-runner for a Supreme Court opening despite her past membership on a Goldman Sachs advisory panel. The White House stated that this affiliation would not disqualify her from the position. The hosts use this as evidence of the deep integration between the Obama administration and major Wall Street firms.

elena kagan· goldman sachs· supreme court· solicitor general· barack obama

45:57 The Wall Street Journal reports that Elena Kagan, do you know her? Elena Kagan, have you ever heard of her? No. She's the Solicitor General of the United States. She was appointed by President Obama in January. And a little article in the Wall Street Journal says, the White House said Friday that Eleanor Kagan's membership on an advisory panel for the securities firm Goldman Sachs would not disqualify her for a position on the Supreme Court. She is the front runner for the Supreme Court opening and she's a Goldman person. It doesn't get any better.

46:41 I love it! It's just too... yeah, you're right. You're laughing because it is funny. The Lehman Brothers guys are just shaking their heads. They're steaming. They are getting... they're so angry. So, uh... They got so screwed. Well, they screwed themselves. They were set up. Yeah. That's, uh... actually there's a long clip from, um... Who's our favorite, that crazy politician from Florida? What's his name? Oh yeah, the clip is too long. The guy's gotta learn how to be more concise. I saw that clip. What's his name again? I can't remember his name. So he actually... He'll pass it on to us in the chat room. Well he actually... Starts with G. Yeah, he actually takes the floor in the Senate and he says, hey you own Red Roof Inn.

47:26 Which is funny. The premise is funny, but he needs to look at how Farage does that stuff in the European Parliament. He needs to keep it concise, make it under two minutes and call people out as being douchebags. And then we can play that stuff. It's 11 minutes, this clip of his. So we can't play but it's in the show notes. Yeah, it's too long. There's no way of editing it down because he tries to overdraw it dramatizes everything. He doesn't just get to the point Alan Grayson. Alan Grayson, right? That's him. Yeah, he did it does take too long. But anyway, and that's involved with the whole Lehman Bear Stearns everything and so it's just fun to watch and by the way, we tell you all this not to depress you.

48:08 But once you understand how it works and how to look past the, oh a trader at Citibank slipped. He went from the B to the M. It's only one key over. It can happen. Yeah, you think, don't you think they enter digits instead of words? It's bull. And you're being fed that so you can think, oh, it's all right. It's okay. And the guys at Goldman just laughing. They're like, hey, we showed them. So give us all your money, send us your cash. They already got all our money. They're just goofing around. They want to run it all. They want to run it all. And again, I can't find a fault with them because they're not doing anything illegal. In fact, they're being helped by the administration. Yeah, no, that's because the administration needs some sort of Uber retirement instead of that just a huge government salary they get.

CHAPTER 17 / 34 Discussion

Extra TV Infidelity Gene and Life Changer Meme

The entertainment program Extra features a segment claiming scientists have discovered an "infidelity gene" present in 40% of men. The hosts highlight the repeated use of the term "Life Changer" to describe guests like Dr. Drew and Judge Janine Pirro. They mock the concept of a genetic excuse for cheating and predict a future vaccine will be marketed to "cure" infidelity.

extra tv· infidelity gene· dna· life changer· dr. drew

49:02 Well, I got a couple things that are nothing like that. Remember, financial earthquake machine. It exists and Goldman runs it. A hit orchestra hit. A hit orchestra hit. Oh, okay. All right. I just thought I'd throw that in. If you had told me earlier, I would have had it in there. Goldman. I'm going to try it again. Remember, Goldman Sachs has their finger on the button of the financial earthquake machine. We'll get a letter. So, there's a bunch of it. There's a new meme. I caught a new meme. Oh, goody. This is a real interesting one because I was watching the program. You might as well hit the Real News thing for a second. Oh, you caught me off guard there. Sorry. And now, back to Real News.

49:56 Yes, John, what's happening in the world that's really important? Extra was talking about a plague of men cheating. And a plague of men cheating consisted of two guys that we know, Jesse James, who now is back supposedly with Bullock, which makes nothing but sense. My wife said, ah, it's because the show's ratings are going down. That's why they have this deal. And which she's probably right. Being a No Agenda listener, she would come up with that thought. And, uh, and so there was Tim and then who was the other guy that was cheating? Tiger Woods? Tiger Woods, that's the guy. And then some guy they named, I don't even know who this guy is, and they consider it a big plague. They come up with the idea that now there's a gene, I never heard of that. A cheat gene! A cheat gene that men have that makes them want to cheat.

50:48 Yeah, it's called a penis. And meanwhile they have, so as I'm listening to this, I caught the meme that's got nothing to do with any of this except it's actually kind of sinister. So play extra one and this is the beginning of their story on men cheating. Ah, we wish you the best. Okay, I have to ask, is there a cheating epidemic? And more celebrity cheating scandals are coming out, which got me, well I mean us, thinking, why do men cheat? Tiger, Jesse, David. Another day, another celebrity caught cheating. Damn cheat, that's what they do. Extra life changer and TV judge, Janine Pirro, simplifying what scientists believe they've discovered. That cheating may be in a man's DNA.

51:33 What's being called the infidelity gene has been found in 40% of men. I think cheating happens a lot more than we realize. Life changer Dr. Drupinski telling Axtra, men aren't actually cheating more, they're just getting caught more. Okay, hold on. So, first of all, you know there's a vaccine for that on the way. There's no doubt about it. There's obviously going to be a vaccine for cheating and life changer. I like that. Yeah, that's the meme. Now you didn't catch it on the, they ran past it on both those people. You missed the first one. I'm sure of it. Only when I was listening the second time when you play at the beginning when they announced the woman they say extra life changer They throw it in real quick, and then they say life changer for drew dr. Drew right But so anyway they had it in there twice and then on a break they took if you play extra the extra two clip you hear another one where one of their hosts is given this moniker and

52:22 No one without a license should ever be doing their own hair. Mario turns life changer putting the extra staff on his extra lean get fit plan. Almost 1600 pounds. That's next. You know John, I think we should call ourselves life changers. I'm thinking about that. That's a good idea. Hey, life change, life changer, brother John, how are you? Dr. John, your brother, Adam, how are you? I'm good. In the morning. In the morning. Do you have the vaccine ready? This is this is this show is the vaccine that will change your life. So this Life Changer thing I thought was rather creepy. Yeah. And they're using it on like half their guests on this extra show. So there's something going on. It's almost like some, you know, Esther, some sort of a cult thing going on. Life Changer. Life Changer. We had Life Coach, I think,

53:14 I think it's probably a derivative of that. Life Coach never caught on. Life Changers, Dr. Adam and Dr. John on the next No Agenda in the Morning. I love that they have already determined that 40% of all men cheat. Which means there's got to be a lot of women out there cheating. Somebody, unless they're cheating with each other. So I find that peculiar. So the next thing I ran into, well actually, why don't we take a break before we get into this other stuff since we're kind of halfway through and then mention a few people who donated to the show this week.

CHAPTER 18 / 34 Discussion

Listener Donations and Karma Club Updates

The hosts read a list of individual donors and discuss the No Agenda Karma Club, where listeners share anecdotes about positive outcomes following their donations. A correction is made regarding the pronunciation of donor Kim LaQuisee's name, clarifying that Kim is a male name in this instance. A birthday shout-out is also given to Nicole Arnold in Japan.

deborah hutchinson· karma club· adwords· kim laquisee· nicole arnold

53:53 Contributed yes who support us which we appreciate dearly and of course we're promotions also the donations actually fell way off because we spent too much time thanking people You didn't do a show he just did donations. Well. You know what here's a tip. It's called fast forward. Yeah You're in technology. You're playing son. Yeah fast forward is the big tip of the day and And we just want to thank everyone who helps us out. It's important. Yeah, it is. So Deborah Hutchinson in Mooresville, Indiana gave us $142.60. Charles Maywood, East Point, Michigan, $51.10. He's having a hard time finding steady mechanical design work.

54:39 at living near Detroit so he's back in school looking for some good karma. We gotta get the Karma Club site up. It is up, noagendakarma.com. People are posting already. So people just put their anecdotes up there? Yeah, it's open so you can go put your... and there's at least one I saw who has not had the good karma come back and we're not claiming it, just we've seen a high A high positive result ratio. You can't guarantee, Andy. Results are not guaranteed. Right. Not guaranteed. Just like your local Episcopalian church. Jerome Darden, Altus Oklahoma, two nickels on the dime, Beth Grafick, Steven Bohm, Nathan Zimmer, Chris McGraw and Tony Goodman all last minute two nickels on the dime guys.

55:25 uh... well thank them all also uh... anonymous from amsterdam sent fifty three fifty three anyone's uh... pieces that send a dollar michael jackson the futures in micro donation from your friends at your donation dot com a plug for something christopher shu saint martin minnesota uh... this is to wish his mother kim happy mother's day less nice happy mother's day kim uh... richard mansfield we also got a note from a kim that's a guy who got mad because adam but he was a girl yeah let me uh... correct that he's off again one more now richard mansfield and angwin california very nice little town loves the show but the donate more later

56:12 your friend Richard. So Kim is a boy's name, 109 Canadian dollars of AdWords for the show and you said my last name wrong. Kimberly is a girl's name, I'm not a girl, Kim is a boy's name, not unlike Lindsay, Leslie, Lauren, etc, etc. Anyway, it's Kim LaQuisee, that's the way to pronounce it. uh... and we appreciate all you know the i remember that when i came in with the pronunciation i just missed it sorry uh... you know i i think was actually my fault that we have Okay, uh, Adam and John, I was one of the many people who donated the double nickels on the dime last week, but in all the chaos you missed my birthday shout-out. My birthday was May 3rd. Just hoping I can get a birthday jingle on the next show. That's from Nicole Arnold from Nagano, Japan. And I think we have another one, John, don't we? Don't we have another birthday?

CHAPTER 19 / 34 Discussion

Knighting Ceremony for Sir Howard G. Hill

Howard G. Hill is formally knighted as "Sir Howard G. Hill of the No Agenda Roundtable" following a $1,000 donation to the show. The hosts explain the "Deuce Club" membership rules, which require a $200 donation and will soon close as they approach their 200th episode. They emphasize that these contributions are the sole source of funding for the podcast.

knighthood· howard g. hill· no agenda roundtable· deuce club· donation

57:11 Uh, you know, Nicole was the only one. I thought that's the one I had mixed up. Well, Nicole, happy birthday. Belated. Now we do have one knighthood. We have a bunch of black knights that we're in discussions with regarding whether they were knighted or not. Yeah. We'll finish that. But we have one knight for sure. Yes. Let me unsheath here for a second. Did you bring your sword, John? As required? Yes. Okay. Howard G. Hill, please step forward. Thank you. Please kneel before your life changers, Dr. John and Dr. Adam, as we hereby proudly knight the Sir Howard G. Hill Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable. Please join our other life changers here and our hookers and blow.

58:04 And that's because he supported the show with $1,000 and we highly appreciate that kind of support. That's the kind of support that if we got a couple of those every day, boy, we'd do a show every day. so uh... and we're and we're trying to get a little bit of action going with our dues club which is coming up so we only have a week left and price another reminder we got one more week and then the deuce clubs close because we're gonna have our tour show in its after that just a two hundred dollar donation but uh... we have a website posting everybody's name on the deuce club and by the way we have to mention that we do this show with only with user support we have no other foundations for doing it we uh...

CHAPTER 20 / 34 Discussion

Value for Value Model and Payment Alternatives

The hosts contrast their commercial-free model with Sirius XM and NPR, which they claim have become saturated with advertisements despite being paid services. They discuss the difficulties of using PayPal and explore alternatives like GunPal and Google Checkout. They argue that by removing commercials, they save listeners approximately five hours of time per month.

value for value· sirius xm· paypal· gunpal· google checkout

58:48 We hope to bring you the kind of information that makes your commute, since I still think our target audience is mostly people who have long commutes, which is an unusual target audience, but a real one. In fact, that's kind of the audience that Sirius and XM were kind of targeting at one point, but they, charge like a, you have to pay 10 bucks to listen. You can't get it for free. You can get our show for free and you donate when you feel like it. And it also takes the commercials out of the show so we're actually giving time to you which is I think is extremely valuable and if you calculate that on a monthly basis, if we do 16 hours of programming a month which is actually, how much do we do? We do four hours a week times four. By the way, Sirius XM has commercials now too. Yeah.

59:36 They got tons of commercials. Yeah, they do. It's terrible. You have to pay and then you get commercials. It's just like our national treasure NPR. Yeah, it's all you pay and then you get commercials. We do not take commercials. We're going to obviously never have the budgets they have. We're not going to have the per show allowances that they have. It's going to always be low. And honestly, just so people know, we don't have the audience size that could make us any money. We need to double it. Actually, we need to take our audience and make it. We'll be in good shape if we have our audience 10x. In other words, you can get one or two people to listen to the show and then get them to get one or two more. At some point, we'll have a substantial audience so the number of donors will maintain itself as a certain percentage and then that will get us through the day.

1:00:22 But we're also giving people time because since we set for this little piece of the show, we don't waste your time on a two to one ratio with commercials, which is what everybody else does. You have two hours of programming and one hour of commercials. It's it's horrible and what's your time worth we figure you're saving everybody at least five hours a month if your times were attended if your minimum wage That's 50 bucks right there of your life and many people many people use no agenda No agenda show as their new source, you know like where a lot of People use the Daily Show Jon Stewart show as their new source, which of course is quite limited in scope and

1:01:03 They don't actually watch any other news unless it's for pure entertainment purposes. I hope that's what they're looking at it. Yeah, yeah. So noagendashow.com we have a little link there to the donation button. Also, dvorak.org slash NA for no agenda donations. Dvorak.org slash NAS if you want to make a statement and donate to the stream. and also Dvorak.org slash deuce for the last week of the deuce club. And finally, channeldvorak.com slash NA if you can't find a proxy or if you can't get to Dvorak.org which seems to be blocked in various parts of the world like parts of China and Russia. We got an interesting recommendation. You know, PayPal has been very difficult. They take a lot of our money or actually your money

1:01:57 Someone recommended we use GunPal. Have you seen that? Gunpal.com? Gunpal? Yeah, it's a PayPal system only their fees are much lower and PayPal apparently voids money being sent if it's to purchase weapons which of course is a legal activity in the United States. They don't allow that and I have to say they've given us all kinds of crap saying, oh you're a charity, you know, I mean all kinds of BS that we have to go calling him about And the gunpal idea is great, the name is a little... the marketing aspect is a little weird.

1:02:35 But maybe we should set up a gun. Well, you know, I think I'm gonna do after we get settled in a little bit more I'm going to add Google Thing whatever it's called Google something Google transactions or Google pay or whatever. No, what is Google cash? I can't remember anyway the Google thing and then we can add gun pal if somebody wants to make a statement run it through there it's fine and Also direct deposit if you want to direct deposit send me a note to the boric John at the bark org and and I'll send you the details. There's two of them right now. The trouble is I keep the details in a file and I have two people waiting on me to send them the details and I'll do that this week. So, DuVoric.org slash NA for now. So probably the most emailed article which started I think pretty much on Thursday.

CHAPTER 21 / 34 Discussion

TSA Body Scanner Incident in Miami

A TSA worker at Miami International Airport reportedly assaulted a colleague after being mocked for the appearance of his genitalia in a full-body scanner. The hosts point out that this incident proves the scanners produce detailed nude images, contradicting government claims that the machines only show generic outlines. They criticize the mainstream media for focusing on the assault rather than the breach of privacy and "child porn" implications.

tsa· body scanners· miami international airport· privacy· fourth amendment

1:03:24 is the TSA worker who went through the naked body scanner in Miami. His car... Yeah, Chinese his name. Yeah, his... by the way, he has a big head. And his colleagues then start laughing at him about his small genitalia. And then he goes, he punches the guy out. And so this is reported in news story after news story after news story. All mainstream news is reporting this, but nowhere do I see anyone say, hold on a second.

1:04:00 Weren't we supposed to not be able to see that in these naked body scanners? Wasn't that the promise? Wasn't that what was explicitly explained to us with these fake cartoon outlines? Oh, we can't actually see anything. Oh no! But you can! Obviously. But they're not... how come... and no one's questioning that. It's like, ha ha, well here's a funny story out of Miami. So a TSA worker got berated by... Like, well, but why don't you say the obvious? This is real mind control. It's pretty pathetic that nobody addresses the... There's the elephant in the room. Yeah. We've been told time and time, because we... If anyone's listened to this show for a while, we already told you that's bogus. We know that, you know, it's not doable. I mean, the thing is gonna... It's basically taking a picture of you naked.

1:04:53 And everybody knows it. Your kids! Yeah, your kids. So there's actually, they're producing child porn by their own definition. The old nudity is porn definition. Actually, they're producing porn and child porn. So nobody wants to, I don't know, it's beyond me. Let's face it, the mainstream media is just... Don't look over here! Nothing to see here. Ooh, look at that! It's beyond pathetic. I mean, it's almost not even worth discussing. Well, I think it's important we continue to point it out. Yeah, you're right. We have to. And it's even though it's kind of a nothing to see here moment. So let's click to a couple of clips.

CHAPTER 22 / 34 Discussion

Dinosaur Train and High-Speed Rail Propaganda

The animated children's show Dinosaur Train is analyzed as a propaganda tool designed to normalize high-speed rail travel for the next generation. The hosts argue that the push for passenger rail in the U.S. is a "bait and switch" intended to benefit freight companies like Warren Buffett's Burlington Northern. They suggest the ultimate goal is to prioritize Chinese cargo over human travel.

dinosaur train· high-speed rail· warren buffett· amtrak· propaganda

1:05:35 That are amusing. I thought it was funny that they've already gotten the train meme into this show that does a show I think it's on CBS. It's about these little dinosaurs that talk to each other Yeah, by the way, no sooner had we announced that we were getting Get off the train so to speak because we've kind of beat that horse to death Then do we start receiving just a ton of stories that people of course our producers are now seeing it like oh my god This train thing is real Yeah, we had one guy, we'll read from his transcript, he went to the big train convention. Yeah, well not a convention, it was National Train Day, John. It was National Train Day. Yeah. Okay, so let's do the dinosaur thing first. What is this? Alright, here's the dinosaurs, and guess what vehicle they're on as they travel through the desert. By the way, they're in a desert where a dinosaur couldn't live if it had to.

1:06:24 But, listen to a little of the conversation and then we'll get to the second part. Maybe one of them lost a feather. Their feathers are pretty similar to the one you have. But how can we meet a Velociraptor? You're in luck! We'll be passing Velociraptor Valley very soon. You could stop there if it's okay with your mom. Absolutely! We have a mystery to solve. Hooray! All righty then, but first... Time tunnel! Time tunnel approaching! Oh!

1:07:01 Oh, what fun on the train. I think we should just point out for new listeners that we assert that the train, the ramming through of high-speed rail in America is a scam. It is being sold to us as, ooh, it'll be great. Everyone wants to travel on the train. Everyone loves the train. Planes suck. Our airways are congested. You won't have to take your shoes off for the train. But it's a bait and switch because it's really to transport goods faster. Yeah, from China. In fact, they want you to shut up, slave. Don't travel anywhere. Sit there. We'll bring the goods from China to you quick.

1:07:41 That's what they really want. Okay, Dinosaurs 2. So meanwhile, you know, these shows, these kids cartoon shows, they can't just, you know, brainwash the kids in one way that's just specific. They also have to have this, you know, and you'll, this will be very reminiscent, you're gonna, when you hear this little ditty that I'm gonna play next, this Dinosaurs 2 clip, you're gonna, it's gonna remind you of something you've heard a million times before that they're always throwing at the kids. A dinosaur ditty. Wow, you're a really fast runner, Valerie. Of course. Velociraptors are fast. That's what velociraptor means. Fast hunter. Let's race down the hill again. Oh, it's educational John. That's what velociraparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparaparapar

1:08:38 I just really wish that I could fly like you. Really? Really, really. That's funny, because I wish I had your amazing feathers. You do? Yeah, they're so beautiful. Hey, you're both great. Tiny can fly, and Valerie has beautiful feathers. But look, I don't have either of them. Aw, buddy, but you do have those amazing teeth. Yeah! Hey, let's all be friends, okay? Yeah! Of course! What?! What? Let's all be friends hugging Sarah Secret. Sarah Secret. Where was the train thing in this? There was no train. They were standing around shooting the breeze. By the way, you can't fly take the train. You can't fly take the train. The whole thing is just a head shaker. So that brought me to one more thing which is the... Are you going to get off trains? Because I'd like to finish that if we can.

1:09:37 No, let me just finish this thought and then we'll go back to trains. But I just wanted to point out this kind of lovey-dovey, you know, we're all one, you know, why can't we just all get along, to the absolute ludicrous end point, which is the after dinosaurs clip that is further down the list. This is the ludicrous end point. Ludicrous, I'm telling you. Hold on a second. This is an advertisement for Flea Killer. What's it called? Using Frontline. I'm sorry, Ger- oh, here it is. Alright, here we go. Using Frontline Plus shows your pet you care. By unleashing a complete killing force against fleas and ticks. And not just grown fleas. Unlike other products from Yvette, Frontline Plus also kills flea eggs and larvae, and keeps killing for 30 days on dogs and cats. Okay, here's the deal.

CHAPTER 23 / 34 Discussion

National Train Day and Panama Canal Expansion

An undercover recording from a National Train Day expo features actors promoting the benefits of rail travel over flying. The discussion links these domestic rail initiatives to the expansion of the Panama Canal, which will allow larger Danish and South Korean ships to bypass West Coast ports. The hosts conclude that taxpayer-funded rail corridors are being built to expedite the transport of global goods across the American interior.

national train day· panama canal· liquid natural gas· burlington northern· infrastructure

1:10:33 Shows your pet you care. I know I know they have a couple of these this is not the only one Yeah, cuz your pet has feelings Your pet needs to know you care what you usually you do said put some crap like this on your dog or cat It doesn't show your pet you care. They get annoyed by it Like what are you doing slave go and get off of me? Oh This is pathetic. Shows your pet you care. You're feeding the thing all the time. That's enough care. You know, you give him some discipline. Make him sit. So one of our producers, and I thought this was fantastic and we need more of this. After our talking about National Train Day, which was, I guess it was yesterday, right? The 8th? Friday. Actually went to one of these National Train Day expos and covertly recorded a little conversation with one of the

1:11:36 The actors who were hired to propagate how good trains are. Now, John, you sent me a note and you said we shouldn't play the audio. I'm not sure that that audio is legal. Well, no, it's not legal. But why do you care? I just think it's, you know, I don't want to get that guy in trouble. Well he sent it to us for us to play. I mean we have his consent. We didn't break any law. Let's just play a little bit of it. But you know, he says it wasn't clear and he did have the transcript. Well did you listen to it? Because I felt it was very clear. Alright, we'll play it. We'll just play a little bit, just the beginning. There's a man and a woman who are the actors hired to tell this unsuspecting slave of Gitmo Nation how great the trains are. I want to do that.

1:12:32 Wow, you can't hear it. You're right. I'm sorry. It sounded better anyway, so a little bit of the transcript Hey, we uh, the woman says ooh, I want to do this looking at train brochure train man says oh we want you to it's really wonderful way to travel if I don't know if you've taken some train trips But if you like to relax look out the window and read a book or plug in the computer Whatever you want to do woman. It's much better than a plane. It's much better. I And then Arshil, me, it's much slower though. Trainman says, much slower. Obviously you have to have that whole mindset. If you're not, if you want to get there, this might not be it for you, but... Yeah, says man, Arshil. So when are they trying to have this implemented by? Trainguy, what's that?

1:13:19 Shill the whole high-speed rail system train guy well right now. They're doing they're working in corridors of course We have Boston to Washington now um they have little corridors out in California, and then there's well. We're trying to yeah exactly They're trying to not there. They're trying to develop corridors between big transportation and transit hubs our shill says yeah, but where are they building it right now train guy says Well, these are big projects there in development. We're doing stuff on Amtrak, rebuilding a lot of our infrastructure that's been neglected for years because we had these plans sitting there and not had funding to do it. And all of a sudden the funding became available and whoa, we got the plans and other people didn't have the plans yet. So we lucked out there. So big initiatives. California is going to be doing over 200 miles an hour, they tell me. That's the best we can do. It's a straight shot down Highway 5 and you can only get it to 200 miles an hour. I know.

1:14:12 It's like the you know the Rockies Alaska our undercover agent if it's okay for me to to post the audio because it actually does sound pretty good if you if you listen to it on on speakers that came through you have to filter it a lot but the only thing I really want to get to to get and then get off of the the train project is One of our producers sent me a link from the Australian.com.au, I should say. It's the Wall Street Journal business section from Australia and this is an article from, I think, 2000 and... Oh, it's from February 2008. It's about a team working in Panama

1:14:54 To start to dig a hole part funded by Japan aided by Latin American cash and big enough to hold the world's biggest Danish owned South Korean built mega ships and at the bottom of the article I just like to read this to you John because this plays exactly into what you've been telling us and and I think it pretty much says it right there So they're expanding the Panama Canal. The new canal will also be large enough for the gas industry's existing fleet of liquefied natural gas carriers, most of which are too big to make the Panama Crossing and are forced to take the longer, more hazardous route around Cape Horn. The reshaping effects have already begun. At the moment, the largest container ships leaving Asia for the US dock in one of the big West Coast ports, with Los Angeles being the largest of them.

1:15:39 Their journey is completed by freight train, much of it run by the Burlington Northern Rail Company in which Mr. Buffett has invested so lavishly. And there's a graphic and this is the northern corridor and so they're literally going to be bringing this stuff in from China and shipping it across the country and Warren Buffett just wants to ship it faster. Yeah, and have you, Mr. Taxpayer of the USA, pay for the, uh, to expedite the process with your money so he can make more money on his investment. Gotta love it. I admire the guy. Yeah, gotta love it. But at the same time, it's a scam. Yeah, it's a huge scam. And as is this whole, um, of course, it's already kind of dropped off the radar, the oil spill in Louisiana or off the Gulf Coast.

CHAPTER 24 / 34 Discussion

Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Comparison

A BBC graphic comparing historical oil spills reveals that the Deepwater Horizon disaster is significantly smaller than many previous incidents, including the 1979 Ixtoc 1 spill. The hosts challenge President Obama's description of the event as the "biggest natural disaster in history." They suggest the environmental impact is being sensationalized to benefit an "oil cabal" and manipulate energy prices.

deepwater horizon· bp oil spill· exxon valdez· gulf of mexico· bbc

1:16:36 The BBC is where I had to find out the actual size in comparison to other disasters. Now we heard our president say on Thursday that this is epic proportion, the biggest natural disaster in history! In history I tell you! Ever! What a crock. Yeah, actually I'm going to Skype you this link so you can see the graphic as well, John, because when you see it, of course we can't show that. So they have from the Deepwater Horizon spill or disaster of epic proportions all the way back to 1979, the Ixtoc 1.

1:17:20 which and then which was... Wow! This is a great graphic. Yeah, you can see that this isn't even in the same... I mean for one thing it's not even in the same league as the Exxon Valdez and to make it worse the Exxon Valdez doesn't hold a candle to any of these things including that Whopper. Wow! These are unbelievable. So this is really interesting information. You know, and this is the typical kind of stuff and of course this is buried in the back pages if there is such a thing of the of a BBC News magazine. Somebody did some research which we hinted that this is the case but I had no idea it was this ridiculous.

1:18:08 So I just posted that link in the chat room as well for people to bang about. Yeah, no, there have been how many other? One, two, three, four, five, at least 15 oil spills which are magnitudes, magnitudes larger than Deepwater Horizon. And I don't know if it makes any difference, but I would like to point out the Exxon Valdez was refined oil. There may be a difference between what is pooping out of the seabed, out of Mother Earth, and what comes from a tanker. I don't know if there's a difference there, maybe one of our producers can figure that out. There may be some ecological differences. I don't know. But it definitely does not seem to be... I thought the XN Valdez was pulling crude. Well, but it wasn't refined? It was complete crude? Yeah, I think so. Usually the refiner...

1:19:00 Not an I we don't know there's a refinery up there. That's the reason I'm saying that yeah, so so we really don't know but Look it up. Yeah, we heard the president say quite clearly You know this is of epic proportions, and I will reiterate. This is the oil cabal oil is down now So there's gonna be a lot of buying going on the way. It works is this is now shipped and to Rotterdam, the Netherlands, Gitmo Nation Lowlands. It's put on barges and this oil will float around for months, even more than a year if they have to. It could take two years. It's worth it. Have it floating around. They're gonna, you know, we're gonna have all these freezing, no more drilling. You can hear everyone talking about it now and Bill Maher up front, stop, you know. Brazil got off oil. We can do it. Let's stop it all. Stop oil.

1:19:51 How did Brazil get off oil? Well, they didn't. They didn't? That's the point. He was called on it too, but that's irrelevant. The meme is out there as oil bad, it's going to kill us. But meanwhile, this is a cabal that has been going on for 60 years. And talking about ecological disasters, in the Gulf War I, when the Iraqis pulled out of Kuwait and set the entire oil field ablaze, I mean, geez. Yeah. What a mess. Yeah, well of course there are no more, no one's showing satellite pictures of the oil slick. Has this thing come ashore yet? Where are the pictures of the birds? You know I got real lucky when I was in New Orleans because I was gonna go, we had a plan to go to the shore to get pictures of the oil washing up and it took, it was gonna be like an hour drive to get to where it would probably hit and I said I don't know do we have any reports that this stuff's actually there? I don't want to drive an hour and an hour back just to look at a you know, just a

CHAPTER 25 / 34 Discussion

Volcanic Ash Flight Restrictions and Scientific Skepticism

A volcanologist reports that the decision to shut down European airspace due to Icelandic volcanic ash was "definitely exaggerated." The hosts note that the flight ban was initiated by the United Kingdom rather than the official volcanic ash alert center in Toulouse, France. This discrepancy leads to a theory that the grounding of flights was a political tool used during the UK election cycle.

eyjafjallajökull· volcanic ash· aviation· united kingdom· toulouse

1:20:50 Nothing and so I decided against going to no that's the point it has apparently it's a it's some of its washed around Mississippi some of its gone straight up to you know, and you can smell it I guess but that's about it. So I'm working on a theory John Which I need your help on I need everybody's help on really this is about two things ashmageddon and and the UK elections. I believe I can start to tie these things together. So first of all, my sister Willow who lives in Italy, she sent me a little report. She has a friend who is a volcanologist and her volcanologist friend went up to the unpronounceable volcano

1:21:37 and said, wow, you know, first of all, it's pretty amazing. They were putting sensors in the volcano at like 800 meters and then this thing started to bubble and it is so violent, the air movement caused by these bubbles of lava bursting, she says you have to think of it like a pan of boiling water, they broke the windows of their Jeep at the hotel 35 kilometers away. This is like some real ferocious stuff going on. So the volcanologist says, who measures active volcanoes, closing down the entire European airway was definitely exaggerated. Maybe, maybe, maybe necessary in Northern Europe, Scandinavia.

1:22:24 And he also said it was very weird, because of course the volcanologist knows how this is supposed to work, that the decision to shut everything down was done in the United Kingdom, while the volcanic ash alert center in Toulouse, France, is the one that's supposed to make the call. So I'm thinking, huh, why did that happen? And it came to me yesterday. I'm on Skype with my daughter who lives in Gitmo Nation East in in London and she says I said also How's the the what's the vibe on the elections which I'll get into in a moment She says well, it's crazy. You know, the weather's gone crap again It's like 8 degrees Celsius outside and everyone's depressed and we're all inside and you know, just it's horrible We think the devil has something to do with all of it. Now, of course, she's my daughter So take that with a grain of salt

CHAPTER 26 / 34 Discussion

UK General Election and Hung Parliament

The 2010 United Kingdom general election resulted in a "hung parliament," where no single party achieved an absolute majority. The hosts discuss the role of Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg in diluting the vote between Labour and the Conservatives. They suggest the outcome was engineered to create a coalition government, effectively putting the Queen and European interests in a position of greater influence.

nick clegg· gordon brown· david cameron· hung parliament· bbc

1:23:20 And then I'm thinking, okay, what actually happened? So, John, you and I were both watching a C-SPAN for the live BBC coverage, which was a little bit of an anti-climax because something new happened this year, which hasn't happened in 30 years. They wound up with a hung government. And that's not something that you might see on a TSA naked body scanner. It actually means they don't have a clear majority. So they have to form a coalition. Now this hasn't happened since 19- You're talking about in England. In England, yes. This hasn't happened since 1974. And of course, the first thing that hit me is they changed the way they were doing the elections. What did they do? They set up the game show idea that we have here in the States and they added the Susan Boyle of politics to the mix.

1:24:07 Nick Clegg, so they could have put lots of people in these debates, but they only let Gordon Brown the current Prime Minister and head of the Labour Party David Cameron head of the opposition the conservatives and they threw in Elitist Nick Clegg and of course it makes so much sense. They wanted a hung jury a hung government Because it's so obvious if you're going to have a close race, all you could do is throw in one more party. We've seen that in the United States. Where if someone runs as an independent, it dilutes the whole mix. So the conservatives did not get the majority and now you have to have either a coalition of the

1:24:47 conservatives with the liberal Democrats or with labor and the liberal Democrats and none of these guys agree. They all have very fundamental differences on very fundamental pieces. And this is now all in limbo, by the way, the Queen is the one who decides. She can actually say, no, that's not good enough, go back and come back with a different government, I don't like it. So now the Queen is in charge of what government the United Kingdom will get. But here's what's happened before this. They shut down all air travel. Everyone was happy because the skies were blue, it was beautiful, birds were tweeting. Yeah, there were lots of people who couldn't come back from vacation and there were, you know, but a couple thousand people, whatever, who couldn't... Who gives a crap? Keep them out of the country. We want everybody happy. There's no chem trailing going on. This is nice. Let's just all go vote.

1:25:44 So they bring in the this Nick Clegg guy, oh he could be fantastic, we love him, he's speaking so well, completely duped into creating a hung government. Then boom, Ashmageddon is over. Boom! Everyone's depressed because they don't want people to get smart like the Greek and go out and riot in the streets. In fact, they're being told to shut up. There's a great clip on Sky News where people are demonstrating saying, hey, wait a minute, we're going to get a government we didn't vote for. This is messed up now they're behind closed doors again and the woman from Sky News Actually, I should probably play that clip John. It's outrageous. Kay Burley have you heard about this? No, play it. She's talking to a protester of something called 38 degrees which I'm not quite sure what the organization is. We've actually talked about them.

CHAPTER 27 / 34 Discussion

Sky News Confrontation Over Election Protests

Sky News presenter Kay Burley is criticized for her aggressive interview with a protester from the group 38 Degrees. Burley repeatedly asserted that the public "voted for a hung parliament," a claim the hosts describe as a false narrative. The segment highlights the media's role in discouraging public scrutiny of the "shady deals" occurring behind closed doors during coalition negotiations.

sky news· kay burley· 38 degrees· democracy· hung parliament

1:26:40 Oh, you're right, yes. Well, so he's trying to say, hey, wait a minute, we're going to get something we didn't vote for, and she is telling him to shut up, slave. It is an amazing piece of video. Here it comes. This is an opportunity to change our political system for the better, to give people fair votes. Yes, but your views are not going to sway the people that are talking behind closed doors at the moment, are they? There's a real risk at this moment, but Lots of shady deals go on behind closed doors, but the public gets locked out. What makes them shady? This is what the public have voted for. This is democracy in action. The public have voted for a hung parliament. We've got exactly what we voted for. And what people voted for, we believe, and 38 Degrees members are telling me in their thousands, is they voted with hope for something better. And that they see that now in this situation things could go either way and they want to make their voices heard. 65% of the British population who are eligible

1:27:36 to vote, vote for a Home Parliament. Yes and in voting for a Home Parliament... So you marching down past Westminster this afternoon will make no difference whatsoever? we are we are standing together to send a really clear message to politicians that what this result reflects is the fact that our current political system is letting us down. But they know that, that's why they're negotiating, that's why they're talking at the moment. You marching past here is not going to make any difference. I think if there's one thing that we've seen over the last year is trusting politicians to get on with it and do the right thing. Yeah, she's a dick. Well, wait! Without public scrutiny and without a strong message from us. 65% of the electorate have decided that they trust their politicians to

1:28:14 organise a hung parliament either a minority Conservative government or a majority government that's formed through a coalition. What people voted for, was they voting for change? Have they not? Did they vote for that or not? They voted with hope, with hope for a better future. Is that what they voted for or not? Did they vote for that or not? That's exactly what they voted for. So why are you protesting against it? We're not protesting against anything, we're protesting for something. We're not protesting against something. We're protesting for something. What we're protesting for is a change to politics, a fair vote for... That's what they're negotiating at the moment. So why do you need to protest? They're already doing it. You might as well go home and watch it on Sky News. Some people will be watching it on Sky News and crossing their fingers. Some people will be out sending... They're trusting their politicians. They've given them the mandate and that's what they're doing. Some people, lots of us...

1:29:07 Well, at the end she really goes off. So anyway, so she's basically telling him shut up slave, the weather's crap. Well, you know, here's the joke of it. Right from the beginning she keeps making this false assertion that he doesn't, I don't know why he didn't catch it, but the false assertion, she hounds him about it. And the false assertion is we voted for a hung government. Yeah, I know. I love how she says that. The people voted for a hung government. How do you vote for a hung government? Where, is it on the ballot? Oh, I want a hung government. Nobody voted for a hung government. Who is she kidding? And who's giving her her marching orders? Well, Murdoch, of course, because it's Sky News. Now, but wait, it gets better. So this weekend, while the government of the United Kingdom has no government or is not a government,

CHAPTER 28 / 34 Discussion

European Bailout Fund and Lisbon Treaty Default

While the UK remains without a formal government, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is in Brussels negotiating an 80 billion euro bailout fund for struggling Eurozone nations. The hosts discuss a provision in the Lisbon Treaty that may default rule-of-law to the European Parliament during a constitutional crisis. They also speculate that renewed volcanic ash alerts are being used to subdue public unrest across Europe.

lisbon treaty· brussels· eurozone bailout· greece· european parliament

1:29:52 The Chancellor of the Exchequer is in Brussels where they are putting together a bailout Europe fund which is rumored to be a minimum of 80 billion euros because of course we know that Spain, Portugal, Italy, the United Kingdom even, other countries are all going to run into the same deficit problem. They won't be able to pay back their money that they borrowed to the banks. Banks like Citibank, Goldman Sachs, etc. And so they're putting together, without any real consent or without a government, they're putting together this huge pot of money which will be coming out of this poor sap's pocket amongst others. They're voting for all kinds of shit to go on and I believe, and this is, I just didn't have the time, I believe John there's actually a provision in the Lisbon Treaty which is the European Constitution that until there is a government, rule of law defaults back to European Parliament.

1:30:50 So that may be good. This is a good one. Yeah, yeah. Now on top of that, there can be the politics of the United Kingdom with Scotland and Ireland, very complicated. You've got the Celtic governments and in my head, smoke comes out of my ears, but there could be a talk of a constitutional crisis with this hung government, which I just don't understand enough of yet. But back to the Ashmageddon bit. So now we've got everyone pissed off, but we're subduing them by chemtrailing the air. We've got all the chemicals back in. Let me finish my thought. We've got all the chemicals back in, people are subdued, the weather's crap, we're not outside, it's not great weather like Greece, so we're not that motivated to go out and burn shit and burn banks and riot. So that was successful.

1:31:43 So we're gonna now what has to happen is we have to turn on the ash, the fake ash machine again, because we've got to make people happy when we come out with this, with this wonderful news and how we're going to run the country. So again, we're going to make everybody happy by clearing the skies. It's already happening in all of northern Spain. Airports are closed again, not allowed to fly. Flights from the United States are now diverted around this fake ash cloud. It takes them two hours longer to fly to Europe. So it's just going to happen again because we have another

1:32:20 vote coming up in Gitmo Nation Lowlands. They're just using this thing to control people, to remove everything, close it up again, remove everything, close it up again. They're messing with people's psyche and it's about total control of the United States of Europe. Well, you know, I think of all the theories you've come up with over the last six months or so, this is the one that with the most holes and I told you I was working on it. It has a camp trails. You threw that in gratuitously for no apparent reason. No, because I believe that. And the by the way, we have friends in Cornwall who say that at least in their part neck of the woods, everybody's freaked out about this ash cloud thinking it's going to create all kinds of health problems.

1:33:05 even though it's 800 miles away. And I said, the thing is 800 miles away. That's the distance from San Francisco to Seattle, which by the way, takes 24 hours on a train. The distance from San Francisco to Seattle, it's about 800 miles. When these things, the stuff either goes into the upper atmosphere and stays up there and floats around the globe, cutting off the sun, or it comes down. And it comes down usually within the 800 mile area. And so this but they got everybody all freaked out over there. They're worried sick. Well, whatever it is, that country's hopeless Yeah, please don't pay any attention to your government because you don't have one and the Queen is in charge and as we know She's evil. So the pound is down to a buck 48. That's the good news. Yeah, and the euro 127 yeah 127 if there's another weird thing going on John a report came out president Carter

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President's Cancer Panel Report and Chemical Exposure

The 2008-2009 President's Cancer Panel report concludes that Americans are being "bombarded" with cancer-causing chemicals and radiation. The American Cancer Society, which the hosts claim is heavily funded by chemical companies like Monsanto, reportedly downplayed the findings by focusing on lifestyle factors like obesity. The segment suggests that environmental causes of cancer are being systematically suppressed.

president's cancer panel· american cancer society· monsanto· radiation· chemicals

1:34:02 I guess, commissioned a study, an annual study, a cancer study, and it's called the PCP report, which I think is kind of funny. It's the President's Cancer Panel. Yeah, and so this just came out for 2008-2009 and the panel concludes Americans are being bombarded with cancer causing chemicals and radiation and the federal government must do far more to protect them. And immediately we get, and there's some great, great reading material in the show notes at noagendashow.com, immediately the American Cancer Society comes out

1:34:44 and says, oh you know, you need to focus on people smoking, you need to focus on obesity, whatever it is, please. Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Ooh, look at that! And one of the reporters pulls apart the National Cancer, was it, Society? Guess who they're heavily funded by? Chemical companies. Yeah, Monsanto. Yeah. And Monsanto of course is highly responsible for a lot of the crap that is in the ground, chemicals that are all over the place. And the Cancer Society is like, no, no, that's unimportant. Stop smoking. Which by the way of course is good advice.

1:35:30 But you should look into this because this is being suppressed. Yeah, the advice will stay until Monsanto gets a hair up its ass about a genetically altered tobacco that doesn't cause cancer supposedly. I'm going to get the vaccine as soon as it comes out, John. I'm going to be set, baby. Not a problem. You got a couple more clips we should probably do before we get out of here. That's the bad news. Yeah. You got any more clips? Yeah, this would go back to try to lighten things up again. Sorry. Which is my job. So I did the show 30 Rock, which has all these interesting kinds of gags. Apparently, the National Organization of Women slammed them for being, you know, being

CHAPTER 30 / 34 Discussion

30 Rock and Female Perspectives in Media

The hosts discuss the NBC show 30 Rock and its portrayal of modern women through the character Liz Lemon. They explore why the show, despite winning numerous awards, struggles to maintain a large female audience. A clip from a Mother's Day episode illustrates the "angst" and insecurities that the hosts believe make the show difficult for some women to watch.

30 rock· tina fey· feminism· mother's day· television

1:36:26 a sexist and having, you know, just being a terrible, and it's written and produced by a woman, Tina Fey. And I was talking to my wife about this, because my wife hates the show and like my son's girlfriend hates the show. A lot of women hate the show. And I try to get my wife to explain why, and she says that Tina Fey kind of, promotes the worst kind of self-absorbed women characters, women who are so insecure that their whole life's a mess. It apparently makes a lot of women nervous because the whole show is actually from a female's perspective, according to my wife. And it makes, for some reason, it's a type of perspective that just, it's hard to watch if you're a female.

1:37:17 I ran into this clip which I labeled 30 Rocked Angst, which I think probably epitomizes the kind of crazy angst that a lot of women must have because this is Tina Fey putting, she's gonna be a bridesmaid at some wedding and they've given her a size, a Vietnamese size two to wear that she can't fit into and is a bridesmaid's dress and then she goes into a meeting with a whole bunch of moms from Mother's Day gathered around and there are all these women, all weird and this scene just kind of amused me.

1:37:56 Bridesmaid it's bad luck for a married woman to be a bridesmaid it brings fever and disease Yeah, well, I'm not actually married so not even common law. How do you get credit at a mattress store? You know my Johnny single and he gets excellent back rubs. I can assure you. Thank you mrs. Lutz And thank you moms for your interest, but I just haven't met the one yet. Oh for crying out loud, Liz. You see that's what feminism does. It makes smart girls with nice birthing shapes. Believe it believe in fairy tales stop waiting for your prince liz i'm not waiting for a prince i'm waiting for astronaut mike dexter who turns out to be the secret king of monaco liz you're almost 40 you're not gonna find some new kind of man whoever the one is you probably already met him you're 40 john is looking for a

1:38:54 greener banana You know it's interesting because maybe that has a lot to do with With the fact that the show is award-winning because you can't deny how funny it is, but that no one watches it It was because half the audience are women It makes their teeth itch I guess yeah, I can understand we don't watch it here. I can understand that interesting Yeah, I find it interesting. Full of good memes though there. Oh, I mean it's just yeah, that had a million of them and it's just that but I like the fact that a married woman who's a bride creates fever. Yep. That is pretty good. You have anything else there or?

CHAPTER 31 / 34 Discussion

Kanellos the Greek Protest Dog

A stray dog named Kanellos has become a viral sensation for appearing in the front lines of numerous anti-austerity riots in Athens, Greece. The Guardian published a series of photos showing the same yellow dog barking at riot police across different protests. The hosts joke that the dog might be a spy or the actual leader of the Greek resistance movement.

kanellos· athens· greece· riots· the guardian

1:39:42 No, that was it for the 30 Rock thing. It's just an observation. I just thought that clip was funny. Did you see that? Someone sent us that link about Kanellos, the Greek protest dog. Yeah, I didn't blog that, but I should have. I think I Twittered it. It's pretty interesting. It's from The Guardian in the UK and they have all these pictures of riots in mainly Athens. The same dog keeps cropping up and he's always in front of the protesters. He's always you know I can't believe it's not photoshopped in but I do have to say there's two dogs That is not the same dog one of the dog right? Yeah, one of the dogs is the yellow dog It's one of these yellow dogs. We used to have a dog like that very intelligent dog typically they're like a Australian razor Ridgeback only there don't have the Ridge and

1:40:32 and the one had a kind of a canary colored stomach and the other one didn't. But it's still this dog. Yeah, I thought it was... I thought it was just interesting. He's a spy. Yeah, it's like, hey, there's actual, forget reptilian leaders, the dog is in charge there. It's like he's running the whole show. It's great. But for the Guardian to publish this was just interesting. Yeah, well somebody must have put two and two together when they saw these pictures. Or some dog lover. I have another one, it's kind of an interesting kind of a meme that I'm not sure what to make of it. But it's something that came to my mind a number of times and they actually, it's a meta idea that showed up on the Mentalist show where everybody's in the CBI, the California Bureau of Investigation, and this scene ensues. This the one? Yeah.

CHAPTER 32 / 34 Discussion

California Bureau of Investigation and Badge Conditioning

A scene from the television show The Mentalist features characters identifying themselves as members of the California Bureau of Investigation (CBI). The hosts use this to discuss "badge conditioning," where the public is trained to comply with anyone presenting a badge, regardless of the agency's legitimacy. They note that many people are unaware the CBI is a real division of the California Department of Justice.

cbi· the mentalist· police badges· conditioning· fbi

1:41:37 Yeah? Alec Mosca? Why, who are you? Agent Schoen, Rigsby, CBI. Please open the door. Who? CBI, sir, let us in. Uh, sure. Does that actually exist, the California Bureau of Investigation? Well, that is the issue that comes to play here in this clip. Okay. CBI, no problem. Look, I'm in my skivvies, so give me a second to get presentable, alright? Think he's gonna put his pants on before he hits the window? No, I do not. Mr. Mosca! Let me see your hands! Get out of the way from the window! Let me see your hands! Alright, okay, no problem! You see that? There's 14,000 in it. Take that to Mike, tell him I'm good for the rest. On my sister-in-law's grave, I swear! What the hell are you talking about? Mike sent you, right? To collect on the Boston Philly bet? Oh, crap. Face the wall. Put your hands on your head.

1:42:39 Who are you guys? Remember the badge? CBI. What the hell is that? California Bureau of Investigation. What the hell is that? We're like the FBI, only more conveniently located. We're like the FBI, ma'am. Only more conveniently located for your protection. Let me say I'm very sorry for the misunderstanding at my door. I had no idea you were cops. We showed you our badges and identified ourselves. You never watch movies, that's how the bad guys do it. No, it's not. It's enough.

1:43:31 The guy's got a badge, so what? I never heard of the CBI, nobody has, and this criminal hasn't, so they did a meta-scene here. But they brought up the issue twice, well I showed you a badge, as if a badge is proof of anything. Could be a Noah Jenna Minuteman for all we know. You know, a lot of grand juries give badges to the participants in the you they usually keep the badges is business always is consuming the scandal in california they keep the badge and then you know they show them to cops if they get pulled over for speeding right but this this idea that you know you come up and you show a badge and then you say i'm with them some or other you know the b i i or the p u k here that whatever he's close to like you know okay whatever you say i i whatever it is because i see that bad you must be at you know i have to tell tell at the knuckle under

1:44:21 Here's my badge, ma'am. I am a life changer. Life changer badge. That's what we need. There's our next promotion. Life changers. Become a no agenda life changer. Get a badge. That'll go on for a month. Next month will be good. This is also just more conditioning. Yeah, totally conditioning. Mind controlling. Get you ready. It's all the badge. It's all that counts. Shut up, Steve. Shut up, so bad. That's what the bad guys do it. No they don't hey remember on Thursday I played you that clip from Philadelphia Pennsylvania I should say and they were you know they're saying we know where you live if you don't pay your taxes We know where you live so they're not they've not come out with a newspaper ad to follow up and It's a PDF, but it's linked in the show notes. You have to see it big orange box. This is a full-page ad I think dear tax advisors colon

CHAPTER 33 / 34 Discussion

Pennsylvania Tax Amnesty and Mr. Nice Guy Ad

The Pennsylvania Department of Revenue released a threatening advertisement announcing the "imminent death of Mr. Nice Guy" regarding back taxes. The ad warns citizens that "things could get complicated" if they do not pay by June 18. The hosts characterize this as state-sponsored terrorism and suggest the aggressive tone is more suited to a mob enforcer than a government agency.

pennsylvania· tax amnesty· joe pesci· revenue department· terrorism

1:45:20 We regret to announce the imminent death of Mr. Nice Guy. And then it points down below. What? Yeah, let me give you the subtext. This is from the Pennsylvania Tax Authority. If you have clients who owe us back taxes in Pennsylvania, please remind them that our generous tax amnesty offer will expire on June 18th and with it, our Mr. Nice Guy attitude. If your clients pay up now, online, we'll skip all penalties and take half off of their interest. But after June 18th, well, things could get complicated. Run by the mob? Don't you love it? Things could get complicated. That's unbelievable.

1:46:08 I mean, that's unbelievable. I think they have to whoever's behind this program needs to be voted out of office. This I mean, what is wrong with the people of Pennsylvania? They put up with this kind of threatening attitude of their government supposed to be serving them, by the way, one, not terrorizing. This is an act of terrorism. Yeah, it's total terrorism. One eight seven seven three four pay up. Slave! Pay up. Pay up. P-A-tax-pay-up.com I wonder if they have more on the... let's check the website for a second. See if it's more threatening there. P-A-tax-pay-up.com I just find that unbelievable that, you know, hey, things might get complicated if you don't pay up, slave. Yeah, if you owe P-A back taxes, we know who you are.

1:46:58 It says right there on the website. With a Google Earth zoom in to someone's house. A satellite view. Tim's Co owes $3,211 in back taxes. We know where you live. That's pretty outrageous. Take a look at it. Yeah, it's just like wow. Why don't you just get Joe Pesci as a spokesperson? You know what I wouldn't put it past him. That would be awesome. That would be totally cool by the way. Joe Pesci is the Pennsylvania Tax Authority spokesman. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

CHAPTER 34 / 34 Discussion

Obama vs. Obama Cartoon and Sign-off

The episode concludes with a satirical cartoon titled "Obama vs. Obama," which highlights contradictions in the President's policies on gay marriage, civil liberties, and government transparency. The animation contrasts Obama's campaign promises with his administration's legal defenses of the Defense of Marriage Act and CIA rendition. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak sign off, promising to return for the next episode on Thursday.

barack obama· don't ask don't tell· defense of marriage act· transparency· rendition

1:47:39 Well, they're gonna get your attention. That's for sure. We'll have more unbelievable stuff on our next show I'm sure I got a bunch of stuff still backed up and I'll probably get back to the Arizona thing a little bit could be getting some people saying has a lot of this is BS Which is not unanticipated Got anything else? I'm done for the day. No, I think we pretty much covered it all. I am going to continue working on my theory, but I'm keeping a very close eye on the United Kingdom. At this point, I'm actually a little saddened that I'm not there in the middle of it all so I can get a lot more, because so much is happening.

1:48:19 And I'm going to be... Someone sent me some information about some little thing in the Lisbon Treaty with hung governments. I'm going through the... I mean, it's thousands of pages of crap. But I'm gonna find it. And of course again, the Queen has the ultimate say. And we're about to see the same thing happening in Gitmo Nation Lowlands June 9th, they have their election. By the way, Americans have always been led to believe that the Queen really has no power and she's only symbolic. Oh no! No, no, no. She's in total charge. Everything by the way there is signed in the Queen's name. Every law is in the Queen's name. She has total control. And on that happy note my friends, shall we end the clip with that cartoon thing?

1:49:07 End the show with that? The Obama vs. Obama? Oh yeah, the Fiori cartoon thing would be great. We'll do that. Coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center in Southern California, owned by the people, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, the sun's finally peering out, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Thursday, right here on No Agenda. Oh, hello again! I'm Fuzzy the Conciliation Caterpillar with the first installment of Obama vs. Obama! I love President Obama because he's so cute and filled with goodness.

1:49:50 But which Obama said what when? This Obama called the Defense of Marriage Act abhorrent and said he'd fight it. But this one loves it so much, his administration defended it in court and compared gay marriage to incest. of both Obamas because together at least one of them is always right. This Obama made my heart bitter patter when he said America didn't have to make a false choice between security and liberty. But this Obama instituted preventive detection to allow indefinite imprisonment with no charges.

1:50:31 Maybe another Obama will establish a division of future crime to crack down on bad thoughts to come. This Obama said, I will work for a full repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and it'll start when I take office. But this Obama sent his lawyers to stand up for Don't Ask, Don't Tell in court. You see? See, one way or another, Obama is right! Not long ago, I almost piddled myself with excitement when this Obama promised to make his administration the most open and transparent in history. But now this Obama keeps secrecy alive and well by trying to hide torture evidence, domestic spying documents, and CIA rendition details.

1:51:21 See, there's a little something in Obama for everyone to love. You just have to find the right Obama for you!