Blood Trains

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00:57 I think this is very comforting. No, no, no, no. We have to do... I don't know what you're... Oh, hit it! Goldman Sachs? I don't necessarily believe that's true. All of a sudden... It's gonna be fantastic! And all the evidence is gone! When she opens her mouth, it's a goldmine. The party girl said it all this time. It's the Lindsay Lohan moment! Yes, it's time for another Lindsay Lohan moment. This is Troy Rutter bringing you all the news about Lindsay Lohan. What do you think? Did you see those pictures of Lindsay Lohan? I put them in the show notes. That's how good they were. Wait a minute! We're missing information!

01:40 Call in the cops! Where they busted into Lindsay's apartment checking on the welfare of Lindsay's sister, 16-year-old Allie. Apparently Michael doesn't think that Lindsay is a good role model. Do you think? This prompted a Twitter battle between her and her father where she says, Thank God for my mommy! It's the Lindsay Lohan moment! I'm a guy! Excellent. Who did that? Well, that's Sir Jeff Smith doing a jingle and that's Troy Rutter. He does the Lindsay Lohan moment. Well, I'm glad they're taking a cue from our show. Well, of course. That's unbelievable. I mean, this Lindsay Lohan is just amazing. You know, I feel really bad. Wait, wait, wait. She got into a Twitter battle with her dad on the, you know, like, why don't you just give him a call? Hey, hold on a second. My daughter and I get into Twitter battles all the time. This is a very typical thing.

02:39 You don't, uh, your daughter doesn't use Twitter, does she? No, no, she's in the generation that thinks it's stupid. That's right, she's younger, right? She's 15? Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, I guess that generation thinks it's dumb. You're right. They don't call each other on the phone either, they're just text messaging constantly. You can buy these phones that have text messaging but don't actually make calls. Have you seen that? It's like a Blackberry rip-off and it does internet text messaging but you can't call. I'm like, yeah, that's a great phone. I love it. So basically that's essentially an extended pager. Oh yeah.

03:22 So I want to discuss a couple of, a gaffe I made last week and also I want to mention, you know, kind of incorporate the nature of our show with the gaffe. Okay. Last week we... Yeah, I know what the gaffe is, yeah. When I mentioned Joy Behar and the clip that I had, I said she was on MSNBC when she's actually on HLN. And I was complaining about the fact that they had this huge crew of people and directors and people on the set. And she made this comment. I think it's worth playing the clip again. Yeah, go ahead. It was so annoying. And I played it for Christina, who of course grew up in Holland, and for Mickey.

04:02 And you thought I had an adverse reaction to it. They were like, what? That's tricky. You've done this town a huge favor, Muhammad. Hold on a second! Stop! There are some extremists threatening that if we give Muhammad to the celebrities, they're gonna bomb us. Now, okay, the Muslim website says, quote, we have to warn Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the creators, that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably end up, listen to this, like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show. Theo Van Gogh, really. Is this a lie? warning or a threat. Theo Van Gogh is the cartoonist in Amsterdam I believe who was who was basically assassinated for doing a cartoon against Mohammed. I mean I would take it as a threat because of the fact that Theo is... Right, there you go. And of course no one says anything and there's a whole control room and producers and directors and and idiotic guests. No one says excuse me because you know what? They're all idiots.

05:01 They apparently are all idiots. And this is on HLN, which is owned by CNN, which is actually, it's even more indicting because I think they have more people than MSNBC. And so when I said MSNBC, it was an error. And I want to mention to people out there that we do all our own research and we do make mistakes on this show occasionally because we don't have people shouting in our ear, although apparently it wouldn't do us much good. So we don't have, so almost every show we make some mistake or we get caught off guard because the show, this is a show that we do not, it's essentially a competition between Adam and myself to who has some of the best material. And so we don't like, you know...

05:39 Wait a minute, is that what it is? Oh, I think so. And so it's like last week's show we had a kind of a clip showdown that actually worked so well. If I had listened to that show, I would have sworn that that whole thing was rehearsed. Yeah, which is why I have almost no clips. I felt really bad. I'm like people will never buy it now. We were too slick. Oh, this is your excuse for being lazy. I didn't bring any clips today. I didn't bring any clips, I'm so sorry. So anyway, but the fact of the matter is I wanted to correct the error and point out that, you know, it's kind of pathetic what you get for your money with these shows. Just one thing about this radical Muslim threat. Now I've got in my research

06:26 headline radical the quote radical muslim group that threatened South Park creators was founded and run by Joseph Cohen a former Israeli radical who used to live in a settlement in the West Bank God yeah I questioned it right off the bat and I said what is this bull crap I saw this guy they interviewed him on some show he did look a little more like a Jewish character then it wasn't an Arab I can assure you and also South Park In 2001, South Park was running Images of Muhammad. Yeah, I know. In the Super Best Friends episode. Right. I know nobody cared then. So isn't this just fear-mongering? Someone trying to stir up anti-Muslimism or something like that? I think so. Now let me mention one more thing that I was taking notes. Did you notice that everybody who discussed this issue, except for us,

07:25 And I suppose people online, where it's the only place you can get good news now, from blogs, nobody, if you recall on CNN, on HLN, on MSNBC, mentioned that that was Pedobear. Did you notice this? Of course no one knows that. The only people who know that are sickos like us. Everybody knows Pet O'Bear. No! You think if you go to Joy Behar... I never heard of him, my son mentioned it to me. It's just an ongoing gag on the internet. Yeah, but Joy Behar doesn't know this. Well what's she doing with a TV show? On CNN? Well, in the chat room there, they are correcting you yet again, John. You made another gaffe. CNN is not a news channel. It's entertainment. When will you get this straight? Huh?

08:16 And then on this list, on this list of things, I also put, I don't know why, it's got nothing to do with the other two things, but remember we got stickers, noagendastickers.com, get some stickers, print them out on your printer on some, some Avery, you know, sticker material and stick them around town, especially near toll booths where people have to slow down and they have to read the sticker. So let's talk about today's executive producer and possible associate executive. Do we have some? We have two executive producers and two, three associate producers. We're getting the two, three thing happening every so often. Very nice. And so then the top of the list is the man who goes by the name of Gear.

09:01 who wired us $700 to become a knight. He's now a knight, so we have to do a knighthood for him later today. Okay, Gere. Sir Gere. Sir Gere. And he of course is Paul T's, one of our primary artists' dad. His old man, right? Yeah, so he had to keep up with the kid. He, uh, let me see. Oh, he's not on the list because he didn't pay Palette? He sent it in through... Yeah, he sent it in through wire transfer. Oh, cool. And then we have Joseph Willis from Palm Bay, Florida. And he sent us $500. That's half of his tax return. I figured instead of wasting it, I would treat you guys as some hookers and blowouts.

09:45 I also want to call up my... that's about what it costs nowadays. I want to call up, not that I would know, I want to call up my brother Ryan as a douchebag who has yet to donate. But he did turn me on to the show. He's sort of only a half douche. Oh. Douche. Good one. And then our associate executive producers, we've got three. We've got Ryan Story in Unley, South Australia. Yeah, we've got lots of Australian news today. Important stuff. he has a long nose. He doesn't want us to mention, he says do not talk about the stuff below. Okay, but he says I'm a long-term douchebag, first-time donor, don't talk about the stuff below. Okay, yeah, okay we'll just pay attention. First rule about douchebags. Andrew Brewer, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, $201 for the Deuce Club, listener from episode one, no longer a douchebag. Is this, I guess this is a theme today,

10:44 uh... no longer douchebag from my favorite state of north carolina in the morning and i'm going to say it's it's the best state in the union it is now just really a pretty place and so it's got a good balance of politics to which makes it even more interesting and great barbecue dot david cost uless texas another good place uh... two hundred dollars now did use club which we start we were is a celebration of our tour the show which is coming up you can donate directly to the deuce club by going to the board dot org slash the number two or the word deuce and that'll be what they're gonna send out a mailing discussing this but then give you want to jump in early uh... that's how you can do it and this will be a uh... a private third show is that what we're playing a little private third show just but it's going to be you know tribute to the show itself into the

11:36 doosters what you say it the doosters perfect what you're saying is we actually haven't figured out the promotion yet or have we no we were yeah no we had a meeting meeting about the deuce also by the way anyone with double nickels on the dime can do the same thing go to the work that org slash to or Devorah dot org slash deuce I've got a couple of budding PR associates. First there's a new site, now you know with this program, I had a long talk with Dave Matthews about this the other day. He's really flabbergasted with... Can we call this a business model or is this just a model?

12:23 Well, it's not much of a business. Well, that's kind of it. That's the flabbergasted part. It's like, that's not much of a business, but it is interesting. We don't hold copyrights on anything. You can copy the show. You can redistribute it. You can put it on your own stream, burn CDs, whatever you want. Open source is, I guess, one way to describe it. But also set up as many domains as you can. Of course, we always appreciate a donation if you make any money. through AdSense or any other way and we have a new one which is I guess a Dig clone which is noagendanews.info

13:03 I don't think we had one of those yet, a date-like site. So I think that's very cool. Yeah, that could be fun. That'll help us actually, that'll help the show, it's not a bad idea. Yeah, I think it will too. By the way, the chat room apparently came up with the idea of calling people a deuce bag. Ooh! Okay. Sir Jeff Smith, I hope you're listening. We only need it for a while. What was show number is this? This is a one, nine or four. So we got, we're what, six shows away from the two. So that we got like six shows or three weeks, right? Before we have to, uh, we can have one meeting every single week. We're not having any meetings. Okay. Maynard checks back in again, our friend from the down under never missing an opportunity to get a plug in for your show whenever I can.

13:54 I figured the Australian skeptics would love your show, so here I am on this week's show, episode 79 of The Skeptic Zone. At the same time, I'm a huge fan of a show that simply describes it, it's, basically they go out and they hit people in the mouth, metaphorically. That is the No Agenda Show with Adam Currie and John C. DeVorek. And what they do in the morning is basically postulate what ifs and they've got some really crackpot ideas that I love listening to. For example, the harp array is that part of an earthquake machine. All evidence points to that not being the case, but I like enjoying entertaining the idea that there might be an earthquake machine and what political ramifications would there be if there was.

14:36 I love the guy. I expect that not to be the case. I like that it sounds more British than Australian. I expect that not to be the case, however it entertains me. I do like it very much. The understated style. And Todd McGreevey gave us two shout outs on his show on republicbroadcasting.org and the 8 minute and 15 second mark in the 55 minute and 35 second mark and We highly appreciate it. So thanks again to our executive producers gear and Joseph Willis and our associate executive producers Ryan story Andrew Brewer and David Koss you can put it on your resume will vouch for you and I'll get you hookers and blow chicks and maybe a job Our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth

15:30 Get ready everybody. Say it with me now. You know what to say. Shut up, Steve! Alright. Cool. We eat for another two days. Yep, so what's hot on your list? I would have to say trains not planes is really hot on the list. There's two things going on. We have been getting a lot of notes that claim that we've stumbled onto this. This is the meme to get the train thing cranked back up. So of course we have Ashmageddon. There's two things that kind of flow into each other. Ashmageddon is one, and now there's anger.

16:19 in the European Union. Anger! We need to coordinate all single European skies so we can shut it down longer and easier. This is, I mean, there's unified skies is what we need now in Europe. So now they're really pulling the cloak around everything. So will it be mirages that go after the little private planes or it'll be Harriers? I mean who's gonna be the Air Force? Well, but the European Army, of course They're gonna do a European. I would say within the next five years. We're gonna have a European Army Oh, yeah, the best came from our national treasure actually John now remember Never let a good crisis go to waste so of course when when the air travel is unavailable and

17:08 And Richard Branson even coming out now saying this was total bullcrap, we lost 75 million dollars and now he's going to the government saying pay me. Which is like... Good for him. Yeah, absolutely. Our national treasurer ran an interesting story and by the way it's always fun to click on these from the website to find out who is sponsoring them this week. So let's have a listen as I fire up the NPR media player. And they always have a... Support for NPR comes from Siemens, with over 60,000 employees in all 50 states. He said Siemen. Committed to answering America's toughest questions at siemens.com slash answers. I just showed a light bulb. It's Morning Edition from NPR News. I'm Steve Inskeep. When Europe's planes stopped flying, trains took over. Many stranded Europeans were able to get home by train.

17:59 Thousands of British travelers made their way to the main station in Paris for the Eurostar train to London. Eleanor Beardsley sends this report. Okay. British tourists Jane and Clive Tomlinson are making their way up from the subway station into Paris's Gare du Nord train terminal. It's nearly the last leg of what has been a long journey. Who is this woman? I can't tell if she's southern. Jane and Clive Tomlinson and? I can't tell if she's southern or if she's French. She sounds like a Well, I won't say. Home from their vacation in Rome. Rome. Rome. Alright, well, so we don't have to play the whole report, so, uh, they're... Yeah, we know what they're up to. Siemens sponsors the show, so boom, we're talking about, you know, how great trains are. And you should see this... Hey, by the way, his... it's really interesting and I think it's fantastic to finally find out that they have trains in Europe.

18:53 Yeah, it's good. In France high-speed rail Dove Dove Air links what kind of a language is that in kid meant Dover? It says, in France, high-speed rail dove air links between most major cities out of business. Oh, drove. They misspelled it. Oh, this is interesting. So, this is a subtitle on their player. In France, high-speed rail drove air links between most major cities out of business long ago. What? What? Yeah, that's literally what it says. That's bogus. Yeah. Rail service benefits from flight cancellations.

19:35 This is our national treasure. Wait, wait, wait, wait. If it drove them out of business, then what was the problem? I don't know. This is like a disconnect in logic. I'm just saying. It says it right here. And they've misspelled drove. It's dove. I wonder if we refresh, will we get a new commercial? Oh, I'm sorry, underwriting? Oops, did I mess that up? I didn't mean to say commercial. Support for NPR comes from Starbucks. Featuring eight different Bold coffees for the next eight weeks. Learn more at starbucks.com slash bold or a local Starbucks. But call it whatever you want.

20:18 Yeah. Bastards. Okay. So instead of giving your money to them, give your money to us. Anyway, go on. Okay, so also this is actually quite interesting, although it doesn't have anything to do with trains per se, but just as a side note, only two days ago, Iceland finally closed its airport. These guys, their airport was just open. Their next year. But the airport is nowhere near that volcano and then the wind was going the other way, so they didn't care. Okay. Well, so now it's closed. Yeah, the wind shifted. Yeah. But then I found a couple of interesting links and only on aviation websites. So if you know we know we've tracked this from the beginning of the eight billion dollars being invested in Florida, I think another six billion in California for high-speed rail. Joe Biden who of course is Mr. Amtrak keeps talking about it. We need to do a pool

21:13 Okay, in other words this is it when it whatever they do for the California rail We take the number and then we guess what is really gonna be because there's not gonna be six billion I can assure you know it's gonna be a lot more than that gonna be like 600 billion by the time they're done their boneheads This is this state is corrupt. Well, Florida apparently not much better. But anyway, this is this is just like When we built the original railroads, it was like, you know, this is going to be the new economy. I'm not necessarily against it, but I like air travel. I think it's efficient. I think it's fast. I think it's cheap.

21:49 The problem of course is they're making it incredibly difficult and dissatisfying to fly as you go through the humiliation tunnel known as the TSA checkpoint. But now a couple of other interesting things are cropping up besides the fact that you can't fly when there's no volcano. And even as Richard Branson says, we fly over volcanoes all the time every single day. But oh no, oh no, it's way too dangerous and we had to shut them down because the computer model said so. Two things happened that got no media attention. Of course, I saw them because I'm an aviator. There's this new...

22:28 landing system called WAAS, W-A-A-S, Wide Area Augmentation System, which is intended to replace or enhance, or actually for airports who don't have an instrument landing system, which is a very expensive system to put in place and to maintain, millions of dollars. This Waze is supposed to be broadcast through the GPS system. There's a number of ground stations and it basically synchronizes the accuracy of GPS so that you can use it to land in bad weather conditions or if you just want to get a basic automatic landing or a glide slope.

23:13 and this thing has been highly anticipated. Airports all over the country have been setting up their facilities. And what happens all of a sudden? They lost control of the satellite. What? Yes, on April 3rd, IntelSat, the company that provides the satellite service to the FAA, two satellites who will be managing this Waze system, lost control The satellite will now drift out of orbit over the next two to four weeks according to the FAA. And so of course immediately Alaska can't use Waze and until they shoot another satellite up into space the whole thing is dead. It ain't gonna work. And this was one of the huge promises of the new FAA. And then I get another report, this one probably more disturbing.

24:09 The new computers, critical to modernizing the US air traffic control system, have run into serious problems and may not be fully operational by the end of this year when the current system is supposed to be replaced. This is a multi-billion dollar computer system and they apparently can't get it to work. It's the next gen program that they've also been hyping and trumping. So I think that they're just purposely making it all go away. Make it impossible, no innovation, sorry the computer's got a bug, we can't make it work, well take the train. Interesting. You know, maybe they're trying to get us so, I mean you can control a population a lot better if it's all done on trains because you don't have to worry about people flying out of the country.

24:59 Yeah, it's much easier to stop in between stations and then the Gestapo gets on and asks you for your Ausweis. Your papers! Your papers! Your papers, please! Papers! Papers! Papers! So that was the... That was the main story and I'm just tracking that and I think that they're really trying to put commercial aviation out of business and make it unattractive. And the meme has already said it's in everybody's head. Hold on a second. There was something, and it was a year or two ago, and I remember reading about this. There was some spokesman for General Aviation

25:36 complaining about how they're trying to push general aviation out of business for starters to get people out of these private planes. So they don't have, you know, because it's hard to control a population that has private planes. Yeah. Well, they were doing that until they discovered that it would also affect them and their private jets. And they're like, oh, crap. Well, let's have none of that. That's why that'll never really happen unless they split up small, you know, smaller category aircraft like single-engine pistons and they split those off from business jets. But I don't see that happening very quickly.

26:18 You know, because these business jets, they rely on that infrastructure of smaller airports. So they want to keep those open and available to them without too much hassle. So I think that's going to be okay. But it's very, very clear that aviation is being made incredibly unattractive. Hey, there's terrorists on them things. They could blow up. They could fall out of the sky. It's like you know and everyone said I'd much rather have a train crash than an airplane crash. You ever seen the train crash? Uh-huh. So let's say you're in a high-speed train doing 300 miles an hour let's say or 250 an American high-speed train we can't seem to really get the speed up there and and the thing slams into something and you're standing in the aisle now the train has stopped and you're doing personally 250 miles an hour like a

27:05 as if you're on a skateboard doing 250 miles an hour and you're going to start flying towards something and I don't think it's going to be an open space. You're going to become a no agenda pancake. Yes, definitely. And if you're doing 250 miles an hour and you are in the aisle and you jump up, will you actually move? Will the train move underneath you? You know, I think it would by some nanometer perhaps because I think while you're up in the air there will be a change in momentum maybe, maybe not. I mean, I think physicists would say no.

27:43 what I'm describing as bogus. But I also believe that there is a, for example, the old thing about gravity, if you drop a feather and a bowling ball in a vacuum, they'll both fall at the exact same speed. How does that jive with the fact that every item and object itself has a gravity? So the bowling ball would have more gravity because it's bigger than the feather and so it should arrive within some really minuscule amount of time quicker to the bottom, it seems to me. It would be immeasurable. But it's theoretically possible. I don't know. I don't know either. Here's one other thing and then I'll let you grab it because this is something that we laid into quite heavily about what Dick Morris told Hannity about Janet Reno and President Clinton.

28:36 and I'll just read you the quote. In a meeting right before the inauguration, Clinton was told by Janet Reno, according to Dick Morris, if you don't appoint me I'm going to tell the truth about Waco and that forced Clinton's hand in reappointing her. I know that he told me, Clinton told me that I could not reappoint Reno because she would have turned on me over Waco. And then our friend goes on Fox and Friends. And he tells a different story, John. Who, uh, Morris? Yeah! Oh yeah, Morris is full of crap. Yeah. Clinton has been implying that movements like the Tea Party are responsible for motivating violence like what happened down in Oklahoma City 15 years ago with the bombing there. But Dick Morris said that Bill Clinton had his own hand in that and revealed that the other night on Hannity.

29:28 Alright, so do you mind? We'll just listen to the clip again. God knows what went on in that crazy head of his, but there is some speculation that he himself had said that it was the reaction to the Waco takeover and Bill Clinton orchestrated that takeover and in fact was so ashamed about what he did in Waco that he was not going to appoint Janet Reno to a second four-year term. And she told him in a meeting right before the inauguration day for his new term, that if you don't appoint me, I'm going to tell the truth about Waco. And that forced Clinton's hand in reappointing her. Wow, that's a bombshell. So did Janet Reno. By the way, I love her sitting there. That's a bombshell as I'm looking into her snatch.

30:15 Literally. She did force Bill Clinton into a reappointment to the Attorney General Post. Let's ask Fox News contributor again, Dick Morris. Alright, Dick, you released a bombshell by saying that actually President Clinton made this decision. She didn't have a big vocabulary. No, bombshell, bombshell, bombshell. But you can't help it. She's got her legs crossed, but she's like, Dick Morris, I don't care. I'm looking at her. Yeah, well that's what they do on Fox. And using the word bombshell is like, you know, I'm looking at you. I thought you should mention it. I'm looking at you. Hello, bombshell. Janet Reno? Well, let me, yes, I believe he did. Why did he go weasel all of a sudden? Because they said, dude, I got a little present here for you.

31:01 You better take that back, Nicky boy. Wish the facts from my conjecture based on the facts. Oh, the facts based upon the conjecture of my facts that I didn't have the facts. Well, you know, it does explain why Janet Reno got reappointed in the first place. And so I believe his original story, he probably just threw it off because he thought it was, you know, something to tell to tell. And then you're right. Somebody called him and said, look, buddy, you better pull that thing or you're going to be in trouble. Let's just listen to one more second here. and he and i were in extensive discussions about who he might appoint to become the new attorney general in fact we had focused on the idea that bill well the governor of massachusetts might do that now uh... hillary and bill had asked me to check bill out bill weld out his client of mine and uh... we had extensive discussion whatever he's full of crap but yes exactly what happened uh... and you know i think dick morris actually

32:13 meant well on Hannity by saying, pay attention everybody, there's bad stuff that could happen here. And Clinton's out doing interviews, I think I have it somewhere, saying, well you know, this president could get killed. I think we're gonna get assassinated. You know, it'll be one of these radicals. One of these crazy people. One of these crazy tea baggers. Yeah, you know, I think that Obama is aware of this kind of threat from people like it was not directly a threat from Clinton, although I think it is. And that's why I think he's on the road constantly. He's never in Washington. Well, which one are you talking about Obama one or Obama two? I think it was Obama one I think that's the one the main one I think but Obama two could maybe float around a little more You want to hear this what Clinton I can be otherwise a move what the one that's got the most gray hair Listen to what?

33:05 What Clinton is saying, I think this is... bullshit. Fucking pre-roll. This is CNN. And by the way, he looks a lot better than that. They do clean him up when he has to do these in-studio interviews. Oh yeah, makeup department at CNN has a... huge. Yeah, they got that spray paint makeup these days. So, um, but listen to the seriousness of what he's saying and he's really, he's laying it on pretty heavy and I think it's a set up for some kind of, you know. The situation with Wolf Blitzer. Yeah, Wolf Blitzer. Wolf, you rock. The other difference, yes the internet has exploded over these 15 years.

33:50 there's a democratic president now you were done up by the way pay attention to the mean to be talking about this a lot of president then but the other big differences there's an african-american yes and an african-american president whose father was from kenya has been you know whose mother's second husband was a muslim and so Let's remind everyone. Yeah, just so you know, hey, he's a black guy and he's a Muslim. Thanks Bill. The tax on the birthers and others. Just a reminder. Whose side are you on, Bill? Oh, he's... I'll give you one guess. I do think, and he's had a lot of threats, and also the members of Congress have had a lot of threats against them.

34:34 We had a lot of threats. I remember when that guy came from Colorado and opened fire on the White House with an assault weapon and sprayed the press room. You remember that? Some of the bullets got in the press room. I remember that. On the North Lawn of the White House. Yeah, that was really... I remember that. The North Lawn of the White House. Yes, I remember Bill. Yeah, Wolf. Do you remember? Yeah, man. That was really devastating, you know. It's like, wow. They were so angry at me. And they were madder at me. I was sort of an apostate and he's an outsider. A prostate? What was he? He's an apostate. What's that? That's a non-believer or someone who was once a Muslim and then he gave up the faith. That is, the white southern Protestants of which I am one were the heart and soul of the then right-wing movement in America. The right wing of the conservative party. And also were a lot of the people who were most... There is no conservative party. Yeah, but let Bill talk. He's got a yellow tie on. Pay attention. So they figured, you know, what was the matter with me? I was a traitor to my class, sort of.

35:31 Ooh, his class. The elite class, perhaps? President Obama is different and symbolizes the increasing diversity of America. And both of them... What? The increasing what? Diversity. Oh. It's like a symbol of... He symbolizes the loss of control, of predictability, of certainty, of clarity that a lot of people need for their psychic well-being. And so I worry about it. Look, he's well protected by the Secret Service. They're terrific. And a president, I can tell you, I've never met a president. And look, George W. Bush had some threats against him from people who strongly disagree with his policy. Some Eric Cantor got a threat here. Who's Eric Cantor?

36:20 I should know that. He's like the assistant secretary of state or something. Why does he bring him up? I don't know, that's kind of weird. Is he in Georgia maybe? Is it a guy in Georgia? Eric Cantor. Well, why don't you play it and I'll look it up. The governor of New Jersey has been at least jokingly threatened by some of the interest groups in New Jersey, the Republican governor of New Jersey. But by and large in the last 50 years... Ooh, by and large. Or well, at least since the early 70s, where we still had some left-wing problems. By and large, these have been systematically coming out of the far right. Okay, here it comes. Stand by. Again, I think that all those folks have a place in our political debate. We just have to know where to draw the line. And we have enough threats against the President, enough threats against the Congress,

37:09 that we should be sensitive to it. The 15th anniversary of Oklahoma City, I'm not trying to draw a total parallel, I'm just saying we should be aware- By the way, you are making a total parallel. Hold on a second. DOOSHBAG! Don't do that. This is a vast echo chamber. Okay, oh, I played over it. listen to what he says here John. Oklahoma City, I'm not trying to draw total parallels I'm just saying we should be aware of this this is a vast echo chamber this internet. Oh the internet. The internet it's a vast echo chamber. It's a vast echo chamber. So Eric Cantor is the

37:51 uh... republican whip and the congress from virginia and i heard him but what what what is he brought up in the conversation is not a result uh... okay whatever i were here my dad i'd be a little that's like and that could be a little message from bill to eric i was just finishes up twenty seconds and i think we should be aware of this this is a vast echo chamber this internet and there's lots of folks listen And as I said, some are serious, some are delirious. Some are connected, some are unhinged. Wow! He's doing prose. Some are serious, some are delirious. He's doing a rap. Some be serious, some be delirious. Some are unhinged. Damn, we gotta make that into a rap. As I said, some are serious, some are delirious. Some are connected, some are unhinged. And all of us who have any responsibility

38:46 have to exercise that responsibility so that we're intellectually honest about our political positions but we're also intellectually honest about what certain words might do to people who are less stable. What? He keeps on going with this certain words about people who are less stable. This is, this is... Well, there's a couple elements at work here. One for, and this Eric Cantor thing now has me completely buffaloed, but the, uh, he, this is a kind of a sub-Rosa attack on the Tea Party, of course, because that seems to be like the major concern of everybody, especially, uh,

39:31 You know, the Democrats, I mean, if you watched last week's Bill Maher, all he talked about was teabaggers, teabaggers, teabaggers, and of course nobody says to him, what's a teabagger? What, you got something against the gays? I mean, what, you know, the teabagger, teabagger. So he won't even acknowledge the proper name, instead of using basically an epithet. And he's like freaked about it. And of course I believe, if anyone's listened to the show more than once or twice, I believe that the things have already been infiltrated with agent provocateurs who will hold up the crazy signs or yell out weird stuff. But this is what I'm saying. This is where it gets kind of creepy because Clinton is basically saying, and here's the way I take this if you go into total crackpot mode, which is, let's face it, that's what I do.

40:19 He's saying these crazies are gonna go out and kill somebody and Eric from Virginia you're next Seriously, didn't you catch it that way? Yeah, yeah, and he's Jewish, so I guess you'll hate him. Oh, okay, oh perfect. It would make sense that some air maniac or, I don't know, I can't see him getting a tea party person to do it, but yeah. No, of course it'll be a CIA or someone, you know. Well, I mean, that's who it will really be. Yeah, of course. But we're just saying, who are they going to blame it on? On the pedo bear. The pedo bear.

40:55 The pedo-bear will have done it, dammit. I'm telling you. Well, while we're on that topic, let's see what I have here for clips. I have a clip that kind of applies to this a little bit. Is she? No, no. Actually, he is a funny story but we'll save that for later. Okay. Social Security marriage and homeownership slump. Well, there's actually this story is kind of interesting because the thing that's also breaking news in kind of in the same high end is this Arizona issue.

41:30 Oh, with the Ausweis B to show me your papers, please. Yeah, why don't you play my Arizona clip and then we'll jam on it. Okay. And this is a nation of immigrants, so it's going to be difficult for a lot of folks, I think, who have been here, who were born here, raised here. to have to suddenly start thinking about documentation, right? Well remember, this is only in Arizona. Right. But there's no doubt about it that this whole thing is going to set a new paradigm at least there and at least until this thing gets settled down the road. So, you know, critics say that illegal immigrants come to this country and they take jobs that should be going to Americans and I think that's a valid argument in many cases.

42:13 So this goes on and on and what's weird about it to me is that, and I think this is happening everywhere, is they're not really discussing the issue of why Arizona did this in the first place. Arizona has a crime wave. It's got nothing to do with jobs being taken away from Americans. It has to do with the fact that there's a crime wave that is unbelievable in Arizona and then the most recent thing where some poor rancher was murdered in his house by some drug dealers coming across the border. So this report goes on, which is on a local news station. This report goes on for a good ten minutes with this analyst and the news reader.

42:51 And they never once bring this topic up. It's, well, I don't know, jobs for Americans, jobs for Americans are taking our jobs. They change the focus of the conversation so we're not really addressing the issue or the real reasons that Arizona got to this point because they weren't going to do this when it was just a jobs thing. And I find it very distressing that the real Kind of the real points are just completely being ignored. I mean, they're just being glossed over It seems more like it's being hijacked as an excuse for the government not being able to create the jobs promise Promise by the administration. Hey, you know, well, it's the day it's them damn for the Mexicans damn foreigners taking your jobs Yeah, we got a let's get him. I get the papers. I Don't know. I just find it

43:41 Something's something screwy. I find it kind of fun that in the ID 3 tag for this Arizona clip the genre is blues It's what it blues Every genre is blues Because it's the one that shows up at the top and I'm not gonna put ID 3 tags that are dead You know, I'm not gonna sit there dicking around looking for the right tag I forgot to play two important clips for you regarding trains. I'm so sorry from Gitmo Nation East I just want to lay them on you real quick. You know they're doing the American style election debates. Yeah in England. Yeah, oh yeah it's crazy. And I have the video now. Alex, one of our producers, has been so nice to send me mp4 versions because it's really hard to get a copy of it because it's way too long to fit onto YouTube etc. So here's Gordon Brown first. Gordon Brown what should we do about the economy? What are we going to

44:38 I don't think I've been on any more than one plane during this election campaign. I've been going round by train. And I think actually our high-speed rail network will allow people to get off the roads and also to get off domestic air flights, and I think that's incredibly important. Yes, very important. How about you, David Cameron? What do you think about it? I would say in the last six months, the biggest change, or the last year, the biggest change that I've been able to make is actually coming out very strongly against the third runway at Heathrow. I think it is wrong to do that. I think we should be going for high-speed rail instead. We should be having a high-speed rail hub at Heathrow. And trying to make sure that all those flights that people take where you could take a train, it's possible to do that. I think it would be a really big step forward.

45:22 Alright, now at this point I have to say, this reeks of a public relations campaign. You think? But I want to find out, you know, it won't take much work by the way, I would look into Siemens for starters. To find out what agency it is, but it's got to be one of the monsters, it's got to be Hill & Knowlt and they're one of these huge international agencies that can really change public policy. You have to pay them a lot of money, but they can do it. Hey, doesn't Siemens make trains? Yeah. Siemens Transportation. These are the guys that sponsored the NPR report. I thought that's why you played it. I didn't! They showed me a lightbulb. I was confused. Apparently. SiemensTransportation.co.uk. Here it is. These guys make trains. They're sponsoring our national treasure to do a report about, uh, trains! Yeah. Hello? Jesus. Oh my God.

46:22 Sorry, I didn't mean to take the Lord's name in vain. All right, go. All right, let's try it. Let's get off topic. Off the trains, because it's driving me crazy. We have to, let's dig into that. Let's find out who's managing the campaign. Yeah, who's managing the campaign. Let's find out who's behind it and we can deconstruct it in such a way that you'll be totally disgusted when we're done. Yes, I will be retching. So Jason Matyrus, who's the guy who wrote a book called Obama Zombies. And he's the guy, we played a clip about him recently, he's the guy who ambushed Franken. Oh, that's the guy? Oh, okay, we called him kind of a minor douchebag. Yeah, we called him a douchebag. But I have to say, here he is on C-SPAN slamming McCain

47:12 He's basically slamming the Obama zombies, but at the same time he brings up some interesting points about how incompetent the GOP is when it comes to getting the youth vote. And I just found this very interesting exposition of what's to come and one of the reasons I believe that Obama will have no problem getting re-elected. but yet they still provide his biggest base of support. And it's unfortunate, but why I wrote Obama Zombies is to really show a behind-the-scenes look at how Team Obama went out reaching to young people, because I think there's a lot of good things they did. And also to point out how the GOP has had an awful youth outreach program for many years. You're critical of John McCain in this book. What didn't you like about his campaign? Oh, I mean, where do I start? Number one, he wasn't a conservative.

48:01 He banked his whole presidency on reaching across the aisle and playing nicey-nice with the left. We can't have that anymore. But more importantly, when it came to younger voters, he didn't have bases on college campuses. Barack Obama had more than 1,000 students for Obama chapters. He was always giving campaign rallies on college campuses. He always had young people behind him. his internet outreach was absolutely amazing john mccain's internet outreach bill i mean this is no joke now his internet outreach was a game called pork invaders where you had to dodge incoming projectiles from pigs you dodged them successfully and then earmarks would appear on the screen to let you know how the number of obama voted for and the graphics weren't even that good it looked like pac-man circa nineteen eighty that was john mccain's internet outreach to young people

48:48 pork invaders. Barack Obama hires the co-creator of Facebook to run his camp, to run his new media operation. He hires Emmy award winning producers from CNN to upload videos to YouTube. It was a complete domination, a digital domination. I think there's a lot the GOP can learn from how Team Obama reached out to young people. Jason Matera with us until about 9.55 Eastern Republicans, your number is 2- Right. Yeah, okay. I just thought it was just a little reminder to people out there that there's like a level of incompetence on the Republican side that... That echo chamber, man. You gotta watch out for that internet echo chamber. Yeah, that echo chamber. Of course, you know, Clinton and some of the Democrats are attacking. You know, the thing they're concerned about is that there's a lot of right-wing blogs. They'd love to get rid of those.

49:39 but the fact of the matter is the internet's benefited the democrats much more so than it has the republicans. Well, but they want the cleanternet, John. Yeah, the cleanternet. You've heard about this, right? I've heard the word, but I don't know the basis. Yeah, the cleanternet is... there's this minister of European Parliament, her name is... hold on a second... European Commissioner Cecilia Mauström. And she has a plan to introduce a website blocking system Europe-wide. Europe-wide, mind you. And so people are up in arms about this. And there's actually a pretty funny YouTube video.

50:26 About the cleanternet which I'll put in the show notes. You can also see it at no agenda TV comm doesn't quite work Just listening to the to the audio. But of course, it's all like well we have to get rid of child pornography and and people who oppose me stuff like that So it's being called the cleanternet and we will all love it. We'll love the cleanternet. There's not an echo chamber anymore That's funny. Yeah. So, um, do we have time for some real news before we get to our thank yous? Wow. Is it gone that fast already? Yeah, of course. And now back to real news. So I got the biggest kick out of this story that was on Nightline. Apparently what is the CR, you know, Charles Taylor, the former head of, uh,

51:13 Liberia, I think, yeah. He was involved with the blood diamonds and arms trades with Sierra Leone during a coup d'etat or something, some war going on down there that where there's just a lot of people getting killed. And supposedly, during in the late 90s, 97 or so, he had apparently went to Sierra Leone, they gave him a whole bunch of diamonds, including some huge rock. that you know and cut but just a monster and he was on a on the blue train with uh... mandela there's an appraising him sorry yes that training in as truly showed that any show the train anyway he was on the train with that is funny despite part of the meeting think about it uh... but anyway they showed uh... him use of mandela and a bunch of celebrities including uh...

52:05 Mia Farrow and that black Naomi Campbell. The woman who throws her cell phone at everyone's head? Yeah, she's crazy. So apparently Taylor met her and of course back in 97 she was gorgeous and I guess he had a crush on her so he gave her this huge stone. And why not? As one does. Play the clip and it gets pretty explanatory. If I were not here... And behind it all, say prosecutors, was this man, Charles Taylor. Once the president of Liberia, accused of using the blood diamonds to ferment the violence. The diamonds made possible the continuation of the conflict, but they also... Wait a minute, Liberia and this guy's like American?

52:56 No. What is it? He sounds American. No, he, when he talks you'll see he sounds African. The family profited Charles Taylor. That's not him. Oh God. Now on trial in the Hague for crimes against humanity. So most definitely I'm not guilty. Taylor has angrily denied any... What? Nothing. Go. I'm sorry I thought you said something. ...wrongdoings or knowledge of blood diamonds. Never happened. Never supposedly given to him in a mayonnaise dealer I'm supposed to be such a scumbag that people bringing me diamonds in nothing else, but but a mayonnaise How much more can you demonize me? But in a bizarre twist Prosecutors have alleged that the fashion model Naomi Campbell can directly tie Taylor to the blood diamonds Based on what one of Campbell's famous friends has told them. I

53:47 You don't forget when a girlfriend tells you that she was given a huge diamond in the middle of the night. In her first interview on the subject, actress Mia Farrell told ABC News that Campbell revealed to her she had been sent a diamond by Taylor. It was 1997 in South Africa. Farrow and some of her children and Campbell were the guests of Nelson Mandela for a trip on the country's famed blue train. Among those present at Mandela's home that evening was the then Liberian president Charles Taylor. Wait a minute. You know, I've always had my doubts about that Mandela dude.

54:25 And so now, I don't think you have anything to do with this though. But there is a little anomaly in this whole story which I find interesting and it'll be revealed. I'll reveal it. No, let's listen for the reveal. It's the big reveal. It'll be in there. You'll see it here between Mandela and Campbell. Farrow says she heard about the diamond the following morning at breakfast. Naomi Campbell came down and she said during the night some men had knocked at her door and it was representatives of President Charles Taylor and that they had given her a huge diamond and were like, oh my gosh.

55:02 Prosecutors say Taylor was in South Africa at the time to buy weapons for the Sierra Leone rebels with blood diamonds and that Mia Farrow's information about Campbell helps tie him to the purchase. That is totally incorrect. And indeed Mr. Taylor, your men awakened her and presented her with a large rough diamond. Isn't that correct? That is totally, totally incorrect. Mr. Taylor, that diamond that you sent to Mia to Naomi Campbell was one of the diamonds that you had been given by the junta in Sierra Leone, isn't that correct? Junta? No sense. Prosecutors had hoped that Naomi Campbell would help them and confirm or deny the allegation about Taylor and the blood diamond. But they say she refused to cooperate with them.

55:51 This is a great report. Why did they put Donna Summer in there all of a sudden? Because now they're showing Naomi going up and down the walk, you know the walk. The catwalk. And she's crooked from the huge rock in her pocket. Recent appearance in New York to raise money for Haiti during Fashion Week. Campbell had another one of her famed outbursts when ABC News producer Anna Schecter asked her about the blood diamond allegation. Because you received a diamond from Charles... I received a diamond and I'm not going to speak about that. Thank you very much. I'm not here for that. Did you have dinner though with Charles Taylor? I had dinner with Nelson Mandela. Thank you very much. Did his men bring you a diamond?

56:34 You know, a diamond in the rough, sort of a large diamond? No, we're not answering these questions. Shut up, slave! We've been told that you didn't help the prosecution, sort of, in this very important case. Thank you so much, goodbye. How do celebrities get away with that? I'm not gonna answer and then just thank you so much. And why do these reporters go, oh, okay. You know what's weird in this particular report, Naomi all of a sudden looks over at her publicist. Oh yeah, and the publicist steps in. And gives her the evil eye. Yeah, yeah. And the publicist has to jump in and then Naomi gets up and then she also slams the camera which is coming up next. She then took a swing at one of our cameras. Told of Campbell's denial, Mia Farrow said she stands by her version of events. That's what happened.

57:28 That's what happened and there's no doubt in my mind. And she said she was going to give it to Nelson Mandela's children's charities. What? Whoa. Okay. And I thought no more about it. The director of donor relations for the Nelson Mandela Children's Fund told ABC News there was no record Naomi Campbell gave the charity a diamond. She did make cash contributions of $50,000 that year and the year after according to the records. The scars of what happened in Sierra Leone have not healed. You know, Naomi Campbell must have a golden Galapagos. So now, so here's the here's the two issues that come to things that come to mind. Naomi Campbell obviously doesn't want to deal with this at all, but she doesn't actually deny it. But the thing that caught my attention is the following. So Mia Farrow, what kind of a what first of all, what kind of a woman

58:28 or even a curious person is Mia Farrow when Naomi Campbell says I got this huge diamond last night in the middle of the night and she said show it to me exactly show it to me Bjot show me that rock what do you have to do? you would want to see it I want to touch it, I want to smell it, I want to fondle it, and I want to know what she had to do for it. And Mia makes no indication that she ever saw it, she just tells the story, this third-party story. Interesting that there was also at least not reported or not edited in a question from the Journalist that did you see it? Did you ask to see it? Yeah, there's another good one. Where's the journalist asking that simple question? Why didn't you ask to see it? She could have said well I did ask to see it and she didn't want to show it because she was told not to or there could have been an excuse but I'd ever heard anything and I doubt it I Think this whole thing is just sketchy, huh?

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1:06:12 Now, yeah, because people come on board. By the way, I wanted to mention to the book club that we should have three, we're going to mention three books today that could be added and we already did one which is Materis' Obama Zombies. Okay. These are all good books. Obama Zombies, what are the other two? Well, the other one's going to, we're going to talk a little bit about Matthew Crawford's, it's kind of a bestseller called Shop Class as Soul Class and I have a couple of clips from him and I also have some clips from Jack Cashill who just released a book called Popes and Bankers. And it's very, he's very entertaining. But the Crawford guy, Shop Class is Soul Class, to me was the most interesting. He's like a guy who's a motorcycle repair guy who's an adjective.

1:07:03 Well, he's an advocate, but this guy seems a little smarter. He's an advocate for different kinds of reforms, namely, again, the educational issues that we talk about sporadically. But this is actually quite good. I'd like to just switch to Australia for a moment, get my nation down under. Dire straits there, John. Bad shit coming down. What now? Well of course they forced the swine flu vaccine on everyone down there and you know of course it was really important you've got to give it to kids under five you need to protect them and kids are dying. Yeah. They stopped all the vaccinations immediately kids are going into convulsions they're getting you know severely ill I think at least one died

1:07:58 And this is made by, this particular vaccine is made by CLS. And I can't for the life of me find a proper website. It's like CLSpharma.com. I want to know if they've got squalene in there. in their vaccines. There's a good number of links that I've put into the show notes at noagendershow.com and of course we hate this because we've been saying that this is bad stuff, you don't want to be dealing with particularly the vaccines with squalene and now they actually have stopped inoculating

1:08:34 kids under five, big brouhaha, thank goodness. And by the way isn't this swine flu over? How many times can they belabor this? It never happened. I heard a report that this was actually the mildest flu season on record. Yeah because people got... It was really, it was... Oops. Yeah. But no, but it's okay, John. It's okay because now we have the fungus flu. Oh yeah, the fungus. This fungus thing is... But they don't know what to do about this fungus. They got nothing. Oh, John. Oh, yee. This is so easy. Let me predict it. So first, let's talk about this potentially deadly strain of fungus spreading amongst animals and people in the Northwestern United States and the Canadian province of British Columbia.

1:09:23 Yeah, it's the Cryptococcus Gotti which I just love that name. Cryptococcus Gotti flu usually only infects and transplants amongst AIDS patients and people with otherwise compromised immune systems but this new strain is genetically different researchers say. Does that sound familiar at all to you? So, how much you want to bet we're going to have a vaccine, we're going to have to rush and we've got to create this vaccine because the fungus, it's an outbreak and it's expanding from Washington to Oregon. John, you're up there from time to time. Yeah. Well, that's exactly what the symptoms are. A cough that could last for weeks, sharp chest pains, shortness of breath, headache, fever, night-time sweats, weight loss, and the urge to hit people in the mouth.

1:10:16 No, at least one thing is good. So I would say be on the lookout for an immediate call from the World Health Organization to create a vaccine for the Cryptococcus. I don't think you need a vaccine for fungus. I don't think that's doable. Well, John, they have a vaccine for smoking. Well, here it is. It's back. Here it is. It's CNN reports. A vaccine. I repeat, a vaccine. By the way, talking about CNN reports is one floating around. They finally got feet on the ground or where that Tupelov Polish thing landed. Yeah, I have that report. I have that. And we don't need to do it. But the thing that cracks me is they find pieces of the plane way before the truth. There's bits and pieces everywhere. Yeah, like an explosion took place. But nobody mentions it. And then this guy does the report at the end. He says, they're looking into the possibility of pilot error

1:11:09 error, mechanical failure, and he has a laundry list of things they're looking into but he never puts them in our play. Except explosives. No, of course not. The Russian soldiers are right there, they got him in his sights, he's like, you will say what we want you to say? You will say everything but that? They're not Germans. Right. A vaccine that could help people stop smoking is showing promise in early clinical trials. Researchers announced this week at a national meeting of addiction specialists. Boy, there's a meeting I should be at. Hey, dude! I'm a specialist. I think the tech hippie needs to be there. Yeah. The vaccine is designed to stimulate the immune system to generate antibodies that would latch onto nicotine in a smoker's body and prevent it from ever entering the brain. Is this exactly what Shantix does? Sounds like Shantix in a needle. Yeah, exactly. It's called NikVax. Oh, you know this is bad. NikVax. Oh my God. Oh, here it is.

1:12:11 16% were able to stop smoking and not start again compared with 6% in the placebo group. They are considered statistically significant results and superior or comparable to the testing results of Zyban and Shantix. Someone sent me a note, I haven't found it yet. Apparently there's a commercial now for a class action lawsuit against The shantix, who is that? AstraZeneca, I think makes that. Yeah. No, I don't know. It's Pfizer. I think it's Pfizer. Pfizer, yeah. But anyway, the whole point of course is that it can't be a vaccine. It's not the correct terminology. It's not a vaccine. Smoking is not a virus. It's just not.

1:13:04 But it's coming. Nick Vax. This is all part of the changing the words, changing the meanings of words. Nudity is porn. And just so you know, in the new health care bill, every single vaccine has no copayment. It's all paid for. 100%. All vaccines. So it's just a huge money maker for the farms. That was the deal. That was the behind closed door deal that was made. Hell yeah. And stevia is really, you remember we were tracking the prices of sugar before and we were like, okay, where is it? It's gonna happen. Where's the new sugar? It's gotta be on the radar pretty soon. So stevia or Truvia as the brand name goes, which is not pure stevia, of course, they put some other stuff in there. Very hard to find the actual ingredients of Truvia.

1:13:53 which is what I think Coca-Cola company is going to be using. So I'm saying... Yeah, I don't know. They got... I mean the problem with Stevia, which I've used, is it's bitter. It's not gonna work. Well, I'm just seeing the PR campaign. Yeah, it's gonna be... if it's gonna flop, it's gonna be like clear coke. Did you see what... did you see what Time did? Time wrote an article saying that, you know, and this of course is a complete pure stevia article, saying that, oh, you know, by the way, sweet and low can make you fat. So all these... Here comes the PR people. Yeah, all the sugar substitutes, they can make you fat. So you need stevia. It's a plant with some other stuff added for your benefit. So nothing on salt though today. We're still waiting for the next salt product. It's so obvious.

1:14:50 You know, it's just so obvious how this works and the media just jumps on board with all this crap and reads the press release. Well, that's like, here's a press release I must have just read. Play the dog bones clip. Okay. Well the FDA has a bone to pick with some of you dog owners out there. It's the same guy who writes Entertainment Tonight is writing this news report. It's a really funny little line. He didn't write anything. This was handed to him obviously. This is really funny because he got a bone to pick. Rough, rough. Well, the FDA has a bone to pick with some of you dog owners out there. The Food Safety Watchdogs say that you really should not feed your dog any bones. You know, animal bones. They say even large bones like those from a ham or a roast can cause serious injuries, even death. Believe it or not, bones can chip or break your dog's teeth, cut tongues, or even worse,

1:15:44 Bone fragments have been known to puncture the stomach and the intestines with a splinter. What a crock of crap! And that can be life threatening. Oh, I've had dogs all my life. I have had, we've got tons of dogs, you know, this is, what is the point and why is the FDA suddenly involved in pet care? Is this really an FDA report? Did you look at this? No. Is there a FDA dog bones? No, you're kidding me. No. Why is the FDA involved in pet care? Dog owner advice, here it is. FDA issues warning about dogs and dog bones. Oh my god. Well, maybe they're in charge of it. Maybe the FDA is in charge of animals. I think they want to be. This is a more government takeover, just everything, every aspect of our lives. Don't feed your dog bones, says the US federal government. All right. So then we might as well talk about the business plot part two, because that's what I see happening here, John. The business plot, of course, was that Roosevelt?

1:16:52 when that took place? yeah the business plot remember the infamous business plot to overthrow the american government oh yeah no that was a yeah that was a business that was part of the democrats tried to try to push Roosevelt aside and replace him with Smedley. Right, but it was mainly financed of course by bankers. Yeah, DuPont, there's a whole bunch of big boys. Yeah, JP Morgan, DuPont, all the big boys that wanted to essentially overthrow the government the government and then put schmidt shmigley shmigley what's his name shmigley medley butler medley but he blew the whistle rights medley yeah he's a good guy yeah so smithley blew the whistle and i think this of course happened in with a thirty three thirty four i think it was thirty four i think that they just went back again and just been planning for the past uh... seventy years and they're just doing it they're like okay now's our chance because if you look at the because you know it now of course the president

1:17:53 his new health care bill, the next part that has to be taken over is of course the financial industry. But it's not really the government regulating the financial industry, it's the financial industry regulating the government and taking over. And I just want to remind you of the people who were brought into President Obama's cabinet. the people who are already in there and that will maybe shed some light in this Goldman Sachs thing which I think we should talk about just briefly. Do you have any clips or anything to talk about? No, I'm totally off the Sachs thing today. Really? You don't like it? You're not into it? Because it's pretty big. Yeah, I just don't have a handle on it yet.

1:18:37 well here's the way i see it and by the way i think you're gonna get off scott free and i know exactly what what the mechanism is well we'll get to that in one moment i'll just just briefly uh... if you look at uh... larry summers director of the national economic council obama's top economic advisor uh... last year five million dollars he got his managing director of d e shaw big hedge fund two point seven million from speeches speeches delivered to wall street uh... including those that receive bailout money, 45 grand from Citigroup, 67,500 from JPMorgan Chase. John, we're in the wrong business. We need to hit the road.

1:19:15 Yeah, yeah. The problem is I do public speaking and I get like a normal fee. Most of these fees, you know, I mean Sarah Palin probably makes legitimate money floating around giving speeches, but when these guys are getting two million dollars a year and you've never really heard of them and they shouldn't know what are they, those are not really speakers fees, those are bribes. Yeah, so from Goldman Sachs, Larry Summers got a hundred and thirty-five thousand dollars for a speech. Nice work if you can get it. Michael Froman, deputy national security advisor for international economic affairs. His business card is five feet long. Worked for Citigroup.

1:19:55 and got more than $7.4 million from the bank in January of 2008, and then of course he entered the Obama administration. This included a $2.25 million year-end bonus. David Axelrod, Obama's campaign strategist, now senior advisor to the president, was paid $1.55 million in 2008 from two consulting firms he controls, agreed to the buyouts that will get him another $3 million over the next five years. so uh... that's a nice little uh... little payoff their obama's deputy national security adviser thomas the done nillen paid three point nine million by washington law firm whose clients include city group goldman sachs and private equity firm apollo management another good company to look into uh... lewis caldera director of the white house military office uh... quarter million dollars a year from indy mac uh... and uh... even uh...

1:20:53 Rahm Emanuel was tied up in a multi-million dollar deal on which he advised along with Goldman Sachs. I think he made eight million dollars from that. So those are just some of the puppets who are hanging out in the administration. And there's this awesome article which I think you should just read it and then we'll move into John's theory on Goldman in theatlantic.com. It's called the Quiet Coup. I'll just read you the first paragraph. The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming to the former chief economist of the IMF is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government. A state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets and is at the center of many emerging market crises. If the IMF staff could speak freely about the US, it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation.

1:21:48 Recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. article that's really worth reading and when I look at the information that is available about this financial reform which is just another word, I think maybe we should just call it what it is, the next bailout, financial reform, this is like the dagger going right into the jugular. And I believe that this is pretty much all they need is, well, see, I think they already have the guy. They did it differently this time. Instead of trying to kick a guy out, they put the guy in.

1:22:29 Yeah, this is part of the reason that this is going to come to any sort of fruition. It's not going to be a big deal. The thing that's going to happen is that Goldman may lose a few clients overseas. But their rationale at the end of the day, even though there's some emails now floating around that are pretty condemning, but you can always, you know, the way we've done, you already have the meme out there that these emails are taken out of context. So you know, there's a couple of things going on. The global warming people have gotten most of these techniques down to a tee and you just copy that. But Goldman can rationalize, look, yeah we were selling these mortgage-backed securities and sure we made a ton of money on the other side of the trade because we also were buying short of cheap through AIG.

1:21:48 Recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. article that's really worth reading and when I look at the information that is available about this financial reform which is just another word, I think maybe we should just call it what it is, the next bailout, financial reform, this is like the dagger going right into the jugular. And I believe that this is pretty much all they need is, well, see, I think they already have the guy. They did it differently this time. Instead of trying to kick a guy out, they put the guy in.

1:22:29 Yeah, this is part of the reason that this is going to come to any sort of fruition. It's not going to be a big deal. The thing that's going to happen is that Goldman may lose a few clients overseas. But their rationale at the end of the day, even though there's some emails now floating around that are pretty condemning, but you can always, you know, the way we've done, you already have the meme out there that these emails are taken out of context. So you know, there's a couple of things going on. The global warming people have gotten most of these techniques down to a tee and you just copy that. But Goldman can rationalize, look, yeah we were selling these mortgage-backed securities and sure we made a ton of money on the other side of the trade because we also were buying short of cheap through AIG.

1:23:14 So, what's wrong with that? You have to balance, I mean you do have to... It's not illegal. It's just not illegal. It's not illegal and it's like you have to do it to protect your investments if you know what you're doing. The thing is that there are one of the few people that actually got in on a seminar given by John Paulson who was the guy who found out about the credit default obligations and credit default swaps at a little broker or a little, he was a It was a management company, it was a little trading company. He wasn't a consultant, he was like a broker. But this is not related to the other Paulson.

1:23:52 Anyway, he and his pal, this is another book that needs to be in the library which is the world's greatest trade or the world's biggest trade or the biggest trade, something like that. Anyway, I listened to this guy give a lecture and apparently Paulson had figured out that this thing was a big bubble and it was going to be a mess and so he started giving seminars about it in New York that unfortunately we didn't attend. and the CEO of Goldman Sachs went to one of them and says, hey. Hey, good idea. He says, I think you got something here. But apparently nobody else in any of the other firms, including Lehman and everyone else, they thought this was crazy. It's just a waste of money. And the Goldman guys said, no, I think this is probably a good thing. And they did. They ended up coming out smelling like a rose. I think they're going to have a lot of trouble proving any wrongdoing by the Goldman folks.

1:24:44 and well so here's what happened so immediately of course now the SEC investigates Goldman because which is bogus because I think you're right John and we said this on Thursday that they didn't do anything illegal unscrupulous yeah they're bankers what do you expect they didn't do anything illegal and that this wasn't like little mom-and-pops investing these are like huge whales investing and you have an account with Goldman Sachs do you have a broker over there John I don't You know this is like... Any Goldman guys out there listening to the show? Yeah, I don't know, a couple maybe. How about donating? Yeah, really. So what is the Goldman spin machine? And now I understand why Obama immediately comes out and says, the SEC didn't tell me, they didn't tell me, I didn't know anything about that, they're doing this all on their own initiative.

1:25:35 And of course the big news this week tells us why he divorced himself from the SEC's action. Now an ABC News exclusive about what goes on behind the scenes of a powerful federal agency supposed to be policing the financial system. Is it possible a lot of the time some of them were watching porn? Here's Jonathan Karl. Some high-level Securities and Exchange Commission officials have spent more time viewing pornography than investigating Ponzi schemes. A new report obtained by ABC News reveals a staggering obsession with pornography, viewed for hours at a time on SEC computers. Sites like Naughty.com, SkankWire, YouPorn, and others with names you can't say on TV. SkankWire, write it down!

1:26:24 The specifics are stunning one senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington spent up to eight hours a day accessing internet porn an SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1,800 times in a two-week period She had 600 pornographic images. Okay, let's stop right there These numbers don't add up. I know, I heard the numbers and I thought they were pretty bogus. So first of all, if there is a woman out there, and maybe if Bobby Eden is still in the chatroom, do you know any woman, Bobby being of course a porn star, any woman who watches 600 hours of porn? I want to marry this woman! Where is she?

1:27:08 This does not exist. These women do not exist. And then 8,000 hours? What is he watching like two clips a minute? It doesn't make any sense. The 8,000 hours doesn't make any sense. The whole thing is nothing to see here, by the way. I'm surprised you didn't play that. You know, okay. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Look at that. It's a whole nothing to see here thing. I don't know what the point of it is. There's some other... something else going on and they're trying to distract us. and that they're doing a pretty good job of it this story cropped up everywhere as always i get big deal i get i get i got more email about this story was by the way when i get a lot of email but one story like this that is kind of weird never talk about it it's like a i generally don't talk about because it's obviously and nothing to see here thing and people are being suckered into paying attention to it and and it's it makes so little sense in this it's probably like if it was true

1:28:06 It's probably like some spyware or something that's just hitting these sites and doing banner clicks or something like that. You're right, the numbers don't add up. One of the things was somebody was hitting a thousand sites a day. Why? I mean, was every site boring? Oh, here's one. No, let me go another one. No, boring, boring, boring. But now let's follow the path, John. Let's follow the path. The financial crisis could have been averted if the SEC had not been watching porn, so we need to shut down the internet! There's definitely, and Clinton talked about it, and you talked about the cleaner net, which is the word clean. Yes, this is part of a strategy of kind of demonizing the net as a horrible place and a time waster for people in government agencies, hurting the public by going on these sites. This is so much BS, it's almost hard to believe.

1:29:08 yeah and and and and and uh... separate part of the team by a bc news and more of these people let's bring about and then talk to him in front of a congressional hearing i want to hear their story to me too and and let's put a market where are they are they are they are as names names i tell ya i think we need to play both of the same time sir i played two at the same time so uh... No, I want to see who these people are. This is a bogus situation. You know, we need to demand that. We need to demand to see these people. I want them in front of Congress. I want to see that woman who watched 600 hours of porn. I want to see her. I want to know what I need the profile of this person. Yeah, I want to see. I'd like to see what she looks like. Yeah.

1:30:00 She wear glasses, is she fat, is she thin, is she skinny, is she anorexic? We need to know, we need to know, this is important. On her government computer hard drive. Alright, let's listen, this just slays me. In a two week period. Wait a minute, in a two week period? Hold on. Accessing internet porn. An SEC accountant attempted to access porn websites 1800 times in a two week period. She had 600 pornographic images on her government computer hard drive. What? Now I love porn. I wish I had a collection like that.

1:30:40 that's it that's it's just been more time and porn sites then a senior enforcement officer had a thumb drive connected to his scc computer with five videos depicting hardcore pornography what is that what is i don't know or what is it is not as you know they won't tell us you know because it's so secretive the investigation which was conducted by the scc internal watchdog at the request of senator chuck grassley found thirty one serious offenders over the past two and a half years severity line This is Bull! Who is this Grassley guy? I'm gonna find out what's his first name?

1:31:20 Listen again or pornography the investigation which was conducted by the SEC internal watchdogs at the request of Senator Chuck Grassley found 31 serious offenders this year's 17 of them senior SEC officers with salaries ranging from 100,000 to 222 thousand dollars a year nice money the SEC would not comment on specific cases but says it takes inappropriate use of government resources seriously and they're sex offenders with abuses on a case-by-case basis most of this began happening in 2008 just as the financial system was collapsing recent case is from just four weeks ago many of the offenders are still on the job Jonathan Karl ABC News Capitol Hill

1:32:09 So tell me about Chuck Grassley. You've seen this guy a million times, he's all over the place. He's a senior senator from Iowa. I don't have anything bad to say about him offhand except for obviously he's got a newsletter blog. This is funny, the Grassley blog. Ask Chuck. Hey Chuck, can we see the chick who had 600 porn movies on her on her hard drive? That's my question for Chuck go to what's the website? Everyone should be asking that on his website Grassley dot Senate gov g r a s s le y. Can you comment on his blog? I'm looking at right now. It's just it's hanging up. Oh

1:32:56 Of course, all the No Agenda militia are surging to it as we speak. Yeah, we'll go to Chuck Grassley's site and demand to see these people. He voted for TARP, of course. You know, it seems to be as though if these guys are doing this, there's no reason that they have to do they're not juveniles They're not 14 year olds that have to be hidden from the public view. So let's bring them out into the open I want to see what these people are. Yeah, this is the president. There is nobody. That's why they won't do it Yeah, wasn't the president gonna name and shame wasn't that the whole? Whatever happened to that name and shame name and shame we want to see it as a bogus story

1:33:34 Alright, I got a good story for you. UK drivers better stay under the speed limit reports, I think the Times, or the Telegraph. An American company called Pips Technology, P-I-P-S, has developed a system that uses two cameras on the ground and one satellite in orbit to catch speeders. The system is called Speed Spike. and it figures out your average speed between two points, captures an image of your license plate, and reports if you're going faster than the law allows. And if you're hoping Great Britain's notoriously grey weather will save you, you're out of luck. The system works even when it's cloudy or dark. Speed Spike will be tested in two places. The London Borough of Southwark

1:34:26 and along the A374 between Torpoint and Anthony in Cornwall. What do you think? Do you think that's real? I think it's doable. I don't know if they're doing it. It could be a bluff. Pips technology. We'll look into it. That's pretty wild. Let's play a clip or two that I wanted to get to today. uh... first of all that i would like to finish the show late with it fairly long clip from jack cashill the pope's and bankers guy but he does have an interesting little uh... small or comment that uh... school sign with an x that i thought was interesting is is a very serious kind of a and a laugh and i got like the laugh and makes night remarks is eager to hire a bad guy i think he's a good guy

1:35:16 We want to listen to this? Yeah, sign with X. Would-be homeowners, get a house. Get a house, get it quick, get it no matter how you can get it. Here's a, I found this 1992 article from the New York Times in which they're talking about Acorn, which at that time struck them as just this, just wonderful new rejuvenating organization that bringing equity to the housing market. In 1991, they had a two-day takeover of the House Banking Committee and the newspapers celebrated it. Isn't that cool? Isn't that neat? Protest! Remember when dissent was patriotic? What was that? That was just like a year ago, wasn't it? And now it's dissent. Dissent is racist today, but a year and a half ago it was patriotic. In 1991, it was wonderful. You and your buddies come in, you take over the House Banking Committee for two years, you throw everything around, and you get on the front page of the New York Times as good guys.

1:36:09 Because you're liberating the housing market from the entrenched racist classes. Now, so New York Times is writing about this and here's what they say, this is 1992. No one who gets a mortgage ever has to go beyond the Philadelphia Acorn office. It's about Philadelphia. Like, this is a good thing. The Times then highlights Acorn-assisted borrowers who did not speak English, had no credit history, or this one I like best, had to sign X for their name. They're celebrating this. This is in 1992. These are the same people who 10, 15 years later were going to be criticizing Wall Street for getting involved in his business. Of course, because it's a takeover. It was all planned this way. Planned. Planned demolition.

1:36:56 Well, it works. It works. Just like 9-11. So I've got the, meanwhile he has a long exposition which I like to play at the end of the show if you can remember. What is the, I'll just cue that up. Marriage and home ownership. Okay, I'll cue that one up for him. He has a theory about marriage and home ownership that I thought was interesting. I'm not sure if it's actually 100% valid but it, I've never heard it before. Okay, we'll play that after we're done. and uh... now if we want to be still going to place more stuff let me just a quick uh... magic numbers update because you know we believe in them and uh... as they work they do work as they work for people who donate magic numbers and of course the magic numbers three uh... tim tillman

1:37:45 Who is a knight? By the way, FDR was big into magic numbers. When he set the price of gold at 21 cents, it's 3 times 7, two magic numbers multiplied. Listening to No Agenda with Sigourney Weaver, you guys missed a meme in her special little speech? Here it is. The oceans are 30% more acidic now than before the Industrial Revolution. If we don't act, they will be 30% more acidic in 90 years. Plankton shells are 30% less strong. So we missed all those numbers. But the best one... Oh, that's interesting. I didn't catch the numbers at all. How did we miss that? The best one is the Sony PlayStation 3

1:38:32 Update 3.30 with firmware 3.30 will bring you 3D. I mean, does it get any better? These guys are like, hey man, let's really clean up. You watch this be the most successful game console ever with this release. The PS3 3.30 firmware upgrade for 3D games. I mean, they have really layered it on, haven't they? That's pretty funny. You gotta love it. You gotta love it. The X37B

1:39:11 military space plane that launched from Cape Canaveral which of course I don't think anyone's really covering that. Yeah, no, I've seen a lot of stories about it. It's not very in depth but there's plenty of stuff. Well, yeah, there's stuff online but I haven't seen any launch video or anything like that. And this is all really, it's all really secretive. They make a big deal about the secretiveness. Well yeah, it can stay up in the air for 270 days, unmanned. U.S. defense officials would not say how much the project had cost. Thursday's launch was more about testing the craft, but now according to Times Online, of course we have to get our national news from Gitmo Nation East,

1:39:58 They say that that may be a secret weapon in the payload Bay Well, here is with all the first break machine in the sky. Well, listen to this remember we talked about the here with all the photo Oh, this is a nothing to see here With all the focus on the launch of the secret x37 be another space launch by a Minotaur 4 rocket from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California received less attention. It was carrying the prototype of a new weapon that can hit any target around the world in less than an hour.

1:40:40 Well that is a nothing to see here moment then. So they've slipped a doomsday weapon under. What does it mean hit any target? Is it pinpoint accurate? It literally says, and I'm reading from the Times online, the prompt global strike, I guess that's what this secret weapon is called, is designed as the conventional weapon of the future. Oh, here it is. It could hit Osama Bin Laden's cave. The mysterious cave. An Iranian nuclear site or a North Korean missile with a huge conventional warhead. It's amazing. Well, we can get out of Afghanistan now.

1:41:24 We're gonna zap Osama Bin Laden? Yeah, in his cave. In his cave? Let me look at this. Yeah, new Minotaur rocket launches April 23rd. Wow, that was a total distraction, John. Here it is, the Minotaur 4 booster flying in a downsized three-seater. You just discovered this now on the air live? Yes. I hate to say it. So they launched that thing at the same time they launched the X-37B. Wow. I wish I'd known they were launching something. Vandenberg is often the rockets fly over Northern California and it's actually quite a sight to see one of these things in the air especially when it goes into the when the booster goes off or the second stage goes off you can see it's quite entertaining. It's a DARPA project. I wonder what it is.

1:42:15 Well, it's a space weapon. How many times do I have to tell you? It's a big spray gun in space. How many times do I have to tell you that this space war is going on? It flashes in the middle of the night, which you call meteors. I can't see the thing being accurate from that distance. Dude, they can read your license plate. Then they can zap us. They're saying it right there. We can zap Osama Bin Laden. Let me Google this. What do they call it again? They have the name here. Someone must have sent out a press release. What was it called? The uh... Well, you know if the Times Online out in London has this story, how come we didn't hear about any of this at all in the US that I know of? I don't know. Should have been on CNN, should have been Wolf Blitzer. Or Joy Behard. The prompt... Joy Behard. The prompt, global strike. Let's just Google this. Popular mechanics. Oh, those are the PR guys, right?

1:43:12 Popular Mechanics is a magazine. Popular Mechanics is the PR guys for the government. It's all their secret shit. Here it is. A whispered warning of a North Korean nuclear launch or of a shipment of biotoxins bound for a Hezbollah stronghold in Lebanon. This is great. These guys are creative. Word races through the American intelligence network until it reaches US Strategic Command headquarters, the Pentagon and eventually the White House. In the Pacific, a nuclear-powered Ohio-class submarine surfaces ready for the President's command to launch.

1:43:52 When the order comes, the sub shoots a 65-ton Trident II ballistic missile into the sky. That's just the setup. Yeah, what's that got to do with the thing in the space vehicle? The military is convinced that in the coming years it will need to act with this kind of speed against threats, terrorist leaders, smuggled nuclear or chemical arms. We know how to strike precisely, we know how to strike at long distances, says Kaler, whose office is in charge of the Defense Department's Global Strike Mission. What's different now is the sense of time. And then they're showing all these diagrams, how this thing works. This thing up in the sky. Amazing. Yeah, Popular Mechanics. They're the guys that... Is it Popular Science or Popular Mechanics?

1:44:37 Popular mechanics. Oh, they said popular science. No popular mechanics Popular mechanics are the guys who like oh, yes steel can melt from jet fuel look we have proof That's that's these guys. That's why you got to read them. They're the PR agency for For the government nice All right, so I have a clip that we should play now, which would change the pace. Okay gay irony Should we go straight into it or does it require a summary?

1:45:24 organizers of the tournament in Seattle to march them into a room and cross-examine them about their sexual habits and preferences. The team was then disqualified for having too many non-gay members. Let's hook you up to the gaydar and make sure you're gay enough. Does anybody find this highly ironic? I think if you want to play softball at all, you want to be on the gay softball team, you're gay enough. You know, the thing is that this is the team that won. So they were immediately under suspicion. Really? You're kidding me. Like you're not gay. They're not gays on your team. You gotta be kidding me. This is ridiculous. Totally. What was that? CNN? No, that was a local news. It's a San Francisco thing. Oh my God. Stop. That's crazy. They got disqualified for not being gay enough. Oh, please. Oh, geez.

1:46:22 The President is lying this weekend. He was lying last show. But he's really lying about his... By the way, his performance on his weekly address, really poor performance, dude. Oh, really? I thought he was getting better. Oh my God. If you hear that he's like stumbling, there's four edits in this one because he had to do pickups because he clearly sucked. He looks really shaky, he looks like... They're probably drugging him like they did Bush. You know, I'm telling you, it might be something like that because he's really... I mean, it's not good. He looks like he's over-caffeinated and... Just listen to him about the...

1:47:08 Well, let's listen to his performance. Let's view it as media people. I think that would be even more interesting. How poorly he is performing on your weekly address for April 24th. It was a little more than one year ago that our country faced a potentially devastating crisis in our auto industry over the course of 2008. By the way, who does the set? They've got like a bush? They planted on a desk. There's a little studio that somebody furnishes. It's shit. It's really crap. And by the way, they did a study on it. I don't know. This is the dark-haired Obama. This is not the gray-haired Obama. Okay. Yeah. The industry shed 400,000 jobs.

1:47:49 in the midst of a financial crisis and deep recession. In addition, Chrysler Financial has already fully repaid with interest the loans it received to support 45,000 jobs, the strongest growth in a decade. And Chrysler announced an operating profit in the first three months of this year. This is the first time Chrysler has reported a profit since the beginning of the economic crisis. What's more, GM announced that it paid back its loans to taxpayers with interest fully five years ahead of schedule. It won't be too long before the stock the Treasury is holding and GM can... You hear how the stock the Treasury is holding because it's on the next line of the prompter.

1:48:34 The guy didn't even read the script to prepare. Yeah. Yeah. Helping to reimburse the American people for their investment. That was a bad read. In addition, Chrysler Financial has already fully repaid with interest the loans it received to support auto financing. And we're closing the books on the temporary program that helped parts suppliers weather this storm. Returning this investment to the Treasury in full with interest as well. Finally, we're bringing to an end many of the emergency programs designed to stabilize the financial sector and restart lending so folks could finance cars and trucks as well as homes and small business. As well as homes and small business. On Friday, in fact, the Treasury Department informed Congress that this financial rescue, which was absolutely necessary to prevent an even worse economic disaster. How unconvincing is he?

1:49:23 I mean even MTV would be like yeah let's burn that that was a pretty shitty read Obama. Yeah he's faxing it in. Yeah. We'll end up costing taxpayers a fraction of what was originally feared. This is a direct result of the careful management of the investments made by the American people so that we could recoup as many tax dollars as possible and as quickly as possible. These steps, as well as others we've taken, have meant that millions of people are working today who might otherwise have lost their jobs. But these steps were never meant to be permanent. As I've said many times, I did not run for president to get into the auto business or the banking business. As essential as it was that we got in, I'm glad to see that we're getting out. At the same time, even as we've come a long way, we still... Listen, someone's not scrolling the prompter. These steps were never meant to be permanent.

1:50:15 As I've said many times, I did not run for President to get into the auto business or the banking business. As essential as it was that we got in, I'm glad to see that we're getting out. At the same time, even as we've come a long way, we still have a ways to go. The auto industry is more stable today and the economy is on a better footing. But people are still hurting. I hear from them just about every day in letters I read and in the towns and cities that I visit. I don't know why you get such a kick out of this. I just find it just to be boring. No, well, I just because he's like, can't why if this president, if he could actually stand there and if he like said something from his heart that he meant, it would be great.

1:51:03 But now it's really showing and the lie, the lie is that GM paid back their loans. He's lying because GM paid back their loans with an escrow account with the treasury, with TARP money. So basically they repaid TARP money with TARP money. Did you know this? No. Yeah, so there was this answer. I thought the whole thing was fishy though when they first said it. Let me read to you. They haven't been making tons of money. I mean, how could they repay? What was the point of repaying back the loan? To make sure the president can go read something, he needs some copy for the prompter. But here from the 8k filing from GM, a filing with the SEC.

1:51:48 Of the $42.6 billion in cash and marketable securities available to General Motors as of September 30th, $17.4 billion came from an escrow account with Treasury. 6.7 billion of the escrow account available to GM was allocable to the repayment of loans to the Treasury. Is they're saying it right there on their filing. Well, they have to say it in the filing. That's a case you have to be pretty honest in there. Yeah, but of course, but then the president gets up, hey, they paid back their loans. Yeah, with another loan. Big liar. It's not a lie, but it's basically a lie.

1:52:26 Well, it's a misdirection. It's the ministry of truth at work. You got another clip something funny Funny yeah, he is a gay irony was the funniest. I've been looking at he is a she come on That's got to be funny. He is she is not that funny It's about that creep that that claimed to have shot or char killed Renee Ramsey that little twerp and he's now had a sex change and he's hanging out in a battered woman's shelter in Seattle. Alright, I don't need to play the clip, that's already funny enough. It's just ridiculous. I do want to give props to the Pirate Party. This is something that seems to be spreading. They now have the Piratenpartij in the Netherlands and this is kind of like a new tea party.

1:53:15 only a global one and they're not connected as far as I can tell but they're just calling themselves the pirate party and they're actually getting votes and they're getting seats in parliaments you know one or two here there but it's it seems to be for real yeah yeah I've been kind of following it I kind of like it yeah you know it gives these guys something to do all right you want to play a long clip and we can finish the show with this yeah sure This is the guy who wrote the book, Shop Class as Soul Class. I found the entire... he was interviewed on C-SPAN and I found this and the other clip that I have on here which is creepy management comments to be extremely disturbing and I don't know, just play it and you'll see what I'm talking about.

1:54:03 We've developed a kind of educational monoculture, I think, where just about every kid gets hustled off to college and then onto a certain track where you end up working in a cubicle. And I think the truth is that some people, including some who are plenty smart, would rather be learning to build things or fix things and I think we should honor that. What do you think when you hear the phrase knowledge-based society or information age? I mean, it's partly hype, I think. We've had this idea that I think arose in the 90s that somehow we're going to be gliding around in a pure information economy

1:54:52 And accordingly, shop classes were pretty widely dismantled in the 90s to make room for computer classes. I first became aware of this issue when I realized that there was a glut of shop equipment on eBay. So milling machines, table saws, metal lathes, and I guess the reason it was disturbing to see the stuff sitting in warehouses was that the disappearance of those tools from our common education, I think is the first step toward a wider ignorance of things, how they're made and how to repair them.

1:55:41 Parallel to that, there is in fact a kind of design philosophy that's emerged where the point seems to be to hide the works. So for example, if you lift the hood on some cars now, there's essentially another hood under the hood. And I'm not sure what the thinking is. Maybe that the sight of an alternator would offend us somehow. So it's become harder to get a handle on your own stuff, and that's very interesting It gets it gets more interesting, but let me since you stopped it Let me mention something when I was a kid we had shop class We had wood class we had metal working class there was auto shop. There was metal shop. There was wood shop I took in you and even if you're a college prep kid you had to take one of these things I took wood shop and you know made a cutting board or something like that and a box and

1:56:34 But the point was that there was a lot of kids, they got most of the, you know, they kind of went in that direction and then, you know, they became mechanics or plumbers or whatever they became because they weren't interested in going to college. Why should everyone go to college? Some people don't want to go to college. But they push, now they push everybody to go to college, take some AP, you know, get into the best school you can and then what do you do? Like he said, you work in a cubicle. But I didn't realize until he mentioned it, but now I think about it, they have dismantled all these shop classes so no schools have them anymore and they also there's no they're dropping P.E. so you have a bunch of fat kids, kids don't you know they don't have any place to... No music, no music and no art. And another one that disappeared first which I think began the whole process was was Home Ec.

1:57:23 uh... you know that eighties or nineties home economics which it was in actually was requirement for women or girls who are in high school for cooking with they liked it or not now we have an entire generation no offense to those who were insulted by home back but we have an entire generation of women who can't boil an egg You know, John, it's all part of the plan. Say it with me now! You can't boil an egg, you can't fix your car, you need to... SHUT UP, SLEEVE! So he brings it back together in a very kind of even more depressing way as he wraps up his little spiel here. You might as well play it from here. Be self-reliant because of certain changes in material culture. Some high-end cars now don't even have a dipstick, so you couldn't check your own oil level if you wanted to.

1:58:21 And I know that I'm not the only person who's a little creeped out by this. I mean, with some cards, if your oil level gets low, you're sent an email from someplace. Now, to go down that thread a little bit, it used to be that in addition to a dipstick, you had something called an idiot light. And it was called an idiot light for a reason. We had a harsh judgment of anyone who was so uninvolved in their own car that they let it get to the point that the light is coming on. But there's some weird cultural logic whereby idiocy, that is a lack of involvement, gets recast as something desirable. It's an indication of technological progress.

1:59:11 And of course, it is a kind of progress when you no longer have to mess around with dipsticks and dirty rags. But I also want to notice that there is a kind of moral education that is tacit in material culture that can go in various directions. The way things are going currently it often feels like the modern personality is getting reformed on the basis of passivity and dependence there's fewer occasions to be directly responsible for your own physical environment and With that I think comes less expectation of responsibility Yeah, yeah makes a good point. Yeah, I

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2:02:28 Come up to 1969. Richard Nixon's elected president in January, he's inaugurated in 1969, January 20th. The home ownership rate in 1969 is 65%. It's been steadily increasing from 1945 when it was about 45%. Up, up, up, up, up. Everyone believes, and I believe, we probably all believe that home ownership is a good thing and the presidents have been pushing it ever since ever since Hoover really started as the Secretary of Commerce. FDR did, Truman did, Eisenhower did, VA loans, FHA loans, etc. 65% in 1969. Something else happens in 1969 and that is California passes, and some of you were there probably, for the first time no-fault divorce. And Californians celebrated that by going out and

2:03:21 getting divorced in record numbers. In 1970, there were more divorces in California than there were marriages in 1960. Now in the middle of the country, if you get divorced, you lament it. In California, you celebrate it. It becomes part of the culture. Hollywood had been doing this forever. And they had long since lost the moral capability of telling people that marriage is good. They had long forgotten what Jesus had told them 2000 years before, that no man tear us under, but God is joined together. In 1980, the divorce rate in California, for some reason they thought no fault divorce would solve the divorce problem, like it would cause a decline. But it didn't. In 1980, do you know how many people got divorced in California in one year? 276,000 people in 1980, record year.

2:04:11 Well, as record years far as we know because they solved the problem of divorce records by stop keeping records. They stopped keeping divorce records. They were so embarrassed by it all. And virtually every other state in America had also adopted the California model. So now no fault divorce became a nationwide craze. And in the 70s and 80s people rushed out and indulged. I mean a lot of people, I know there's a lot of people who have tragedies and sometimes it's inevitable or you know, a consequence of life but in California it became a ritual, a rite of passage. So marriage became a, just something you sort of entered into for a while and then moved on. And there were so many other distractions there that it became like a national phenomenon. Now, this is happening and no one's paying attention to its consequences on the economy.

2:05:02 I mean it's really shocking how little attention people pay to the effect of divorce, not only divorce, but single parenthood. Because people are, when the culture loses its faith in marriage, it no longer has the will or the ability to tell the underclass that marriage is good. And we began to see just incredible spikes in single parenthood, especially among minority cultures, especially black culture. It went from something like 15% in 1950 to 75% by 1980. Just astonishing. So what happens in 1993, we jump ahead. Bill Clinton is inaugurated president. The home ownership rate in 1993, after 24 pretty prosperous years,

2:05:51 Especially the Reagan years and the Bush years. I mean there was a good steady growth of the economy. More jobs, more money, standard of living was much higher. In 1993 Bill Clinton's inaugurated and the home ownership rate is lower than it was when Richard Nixon was inaugurated 24 years earlier. And the Clinton administration looks around and like all presidents, they want to put people in homes. Clinton is a number cruncher from the word go. I mean he wants to see the numbers. It's the economy stupid. That's how he got elected. He wants to put people in homes. He wants to create jobs. Those were the days, weren't they? When they look at the numbers, they say, why has the home ownership rate gone down? And they refuse to look at the real reason.

2:06:39 and that is that the family had crumbled underneath the home ownership rates. We didn't have, you know, Ozzy and Harriet living in houses anymore. You know, we had, you know, the Crips living in these houses. I don't know who was living in these houses. People were buying homes, owning homes, who had no right to belong in homes, who could not afford, who were one broken refrigerator away from defaulting. And these are the people who were moving into the home ownership market. And you look at the numbers, it's inevitable. A single parent It makes 20% of the income of a married couple. A divorced mother makes 40% of the income of a married couple. The home ownership rate in 1993 for married couples was 85%. There's no problem there. This is just about maxed out. If we had been a nation of married couples, moving forward, there would have been no economic crisis. There would have been no subprime crisis. None of that would have happened. But instead,

2:07:37 the homeownership rate for single parents was less than 50%. That was pulling the whole number down. And instead of saying, gosh, what could cause this? Why don't we work on fortifying marriages? Why don't we work on keeping couples together? Why don't we work on giving couples who've worked hard an opportunity to buy a home? Instead, no, we just want to push the numbers up. And they looked around and said, who can we blame? And the Federal Reserve did a study in 1991 that provided all the ammunition the Clinton administration needed. What they did is they studied the rates, this is for I believe FHA loans, the rate of approval if you were looking for a government-assisted loan. And for white families that came in, we're getting loans at 77%. For black families that came in, we're getting loans at 61%.

2:08:25 So they immediately looked at the numbers and said, well the only reason that the home ownership rate isn't growing is because of racism. What else could it possibly be? They didn't look at the credit histories of people who were being accepted or rejected. They didn't look at the family structure that was underlying those differences. Because that's where the difference really was. It wasn't in race, it was in family structure. And you see the headlines in places like USA Today, not all homeowners are created equal. Or even Wall Street Journal, it matters more what you look like when you apply for a loan than what your credit is. Nonsense! Because banks have no interest in turning people down who are going to repay the loans, but they have every interest in the world in turning people down.