Goldman Sachs and the Pedo Bear

00:01 Oh, I'm so scared I don't want to believe it's true! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's April 22nd, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 193. This is no agenda. Celebrating Earth Day and a nice dose of cap and trade. And coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower at Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, In the People's Republic of Southern California, eh, where they mowing the grass in the morning. I'm Adam Curry. And I'm wondering where the trains went. I'm up here in Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!

00:39 Trains? My trains. There's a train that goes by like... At 9-0-8. Yeah, 9-0-9 or 9-0-8. And there's another one that was supposed to go by. There's no trains. I don't know what the deal is. In the morning to you, John. In the morning to you. I think it's because of atmospheric dust. No, it's ash. Oh there it goes. Volcanic ash. I didn't hear it. Yeah, I know. Well, this mic's a little more directional. Hey dude, you're not gonna believe it, but I think I've done something amazing here and it sounds like you've never sounded better actually on the stream. Well, then I shouldn't have changed mic so we could do a better A-B comparison. No, it's not just the mic. I mean, I'm actually hearing the quality being better.

01:22 So you're not going through a cheap Macintosh laptop anymore? No, it is the cheap... Well, you know, there's one thing we can ascertain. Macintosh laptops are not cheap. You can get a good Macintosh laptop for $999. That's not cheap. You can get a... Compared to 20 years ago. A PC laptop for $300. Uh, it's junk. So is the $900 Mac. That's junk too. No, I have a different router. Oh, would you have to go buy one or what happened? Let's just leave it in the middle. Okay, I won't ask. Don't ask, don't tell. It fell off the back of a truck. Don't ask, don't tell!

02:05 uh... okay it's episode one ninety three is no agenda were coming up on our uh... bicentennial john yes and we're gonna have a special program are really hot yeah two hundred we went we were looking for two hundred dollar donations for a two hundred episode and we're going to call it the deuce club and now this is a a special episode that will well actually we're going to do another two hundred episodes gonna be an episode but they were going to produce a third show uh... for our donors only just a special little thing mostly a tribute to them for all donors Well, I think the $200 donors would get the first shot at it, but I think all donors should probably listen. I mean, if they've been giving to us all along, I don't know, we'll talk about it. Hey, let's do a meeting. Yeah, finally we're there. I don't care, anything but a meeting. Finally, the show has reached the level where we have to have a meeting about something. Oh God, let's not. Okay, well, I... Let's invite Eric. Let's invite Eric to the meeting and let's have an agenda.

03:03 And let's send it out beforehand and then let's, uh, let's send out meeting notes. Is that how you do it? I want to go shoot myself right now. So let's talk about our executive producer for this week. Yes, please. Okay, so our executive producer is our old friend Dame Margaret. Oh, the Dame is back. Yeah, Dame Margaret George up there in Clovis, New Mexico or down there, I guess. So she's on her way to a second Damehood as it were. Well, she, I would say, going back and forth with her about do we need to make, when we make these rings, are they gonna be a lady's ring or she says she's fine with a man's ring that she could wear as like around her neck on a chain. Which is women do that. Maybe she'd be pinky rings.

03:49 If it's a pinky ring, which by the way looks kind of like, you know, mafia-like on a guy. It would be with a big old military-style ring, yeah. You can always wear it as a pinky ring. Yeah, if you got a big-ass pinky. You can have it sized. And then we have three associate executive producers. Okay. ESC Inc. ESC Inc. Yeah, ESC Inc. No note. Well, I think you may have sent a note in the email, but I have to go dig it up. Well, it might be kind of important for the... It might be. Okay. But ESC Inc. 256, Simon Oxtoby in Queensland,

04:33 And he wants a happy birthday to Dale his father who also listens to his show. No, we're gonna do that during later Yeah, I do the donations. Yeah and Edward Yeah You know, uh, these Dutch guys keep donating to get me to butcher their names. You know, I wouldn't be such a bad thing, except half of the names are pronounced as though you're clearing your throat. Come on, you can try it. I would call it Berthuzen. No, not even close. Well, what it looks like. It's Beerthuizen.

05:14 Beertausen. That's what I meant. Yes, Edward Beertausen. Beertausen. You know, I'm actually gonna get the hang of this eventually. Then I'd like to mention a couple of PR initiatives. First of all, right off the bat, Randy Asher has set up noagendaart.com, which is very cool. Is this the entire archive of all No Agenda episodic art? It's going to be what it's going to be, I believe. I'm going back and forth with him. It's going to be that and a depository for people submitting art to be used. Right, okay. So there'll be a lot of art that's not used, a lot of art that's been used, pretty much everything we can shove in there, because we do need a single place instead of, you know, you're doing everything at Drop.io or whatever the heck it is, but that's insecure. I mean, at some point, those guys went out of business or something, that stuff is, then we have to go dig up all the art again. So this would be something we control, which I think is better. We don't control it for shit.

04:33 And he wants a happy birthday to Dale his father who also listens to his show. No, we're gonna do that during later Yeah, I do the donations. Yeah and Edward Yeah You know, uh, these Dutch guys keep donating to get me to butcher their names. You know, I wouldn't be such a bad thing, except half of the names are pronounced as though you're clearing your throat. Come on, you can try it. I would call it Berthuzen. No, not even close. Well, what it looks like. It's Beerthuizen.

05:14 Beertausen. That's what I meant. Yes, Edward Beertausen. Beertausen. You know, I'm actually gonna get the hang of this eventually. Then I'd like to mention a couple of PR initiatives. First of all, right off the bat, Randy Asher has set up noagendaart.com, which is very cool. Is this the entire archive of all No Agenda episodic art? It's going to be what it's going to be, I believe. I'm going back and forth with him. It's going to be that and a depository for people submitting art to be used. Right, okay. So there'll be a lot of art that's not used, a lot of art that's been used, pretty much everything we can shove in there, because we do need a single place instead of, you know, you're doing everything at Drop.io or whatever the heck it is, but that's insecure. I mean, at some point, those guys went out of business or something, that stuff is, then we have to go dig up all the art again. So this would be something we control, which I think is better. We don't control it for shit.

06:12 What? We don't control knowledge. Yeah, we don't control it. Somebody in the organization controls it. Ah, invite Randy to the meeting. He's in the organization now. The organization. The organization. All right. A couple of PR associate mentions, so not official PR associates, but very valiant tries. Adam Merkley was dragged to the golf course by a friend this past weekend. He hates golf. He sucks at golf. So what he did was he rode in the morning on every single golf ball he used with a Sharpie. And of course, they're now in Lake.

06:48 and uh... and in the sand trap and all over the place not a bad idea to have uh... no agenda golf balls i like that that's pretty good idea uh... we got a great picture from adder nineteen seventy two and i was looking at first i thought maybe this was uh... one of those fake pictures on the internet we fill in your own text and it fills in the picture but i think it's real uh... adder nineteen seventy two visited the rushing floating the russian floating based called barnio at the north pole And he took a picture to prove it and sent us a greeting. And he says, Regards from your northernmost listener. So it looks real. I think it'd be cool to have In the Morning or the noagendashow.com in yellow snow. Yeah, Adder 1972, if you're still there, please do this. Just don't let it break off. Skylar Visconti checked out our No Agenda Firefox personas and was amazed by the suggested similar themes. Are you ready for them?

07:51 The suggested themes along with the no agenda Firefox persona are a picture of weed, as in marijuana, greenpeace, peace, save the bees, gay pride, and Buddha. I don't know man. Seems a bit off topic, but okay. Alright, I'm just saying. Craig Peters says he has an idea. Lots of listeners sign up for web hosting plans and oftentimes you'll get $50 of free ad words with your hosting plan. Why not use that to promote noagendershow.com? I like it. Yeah, pretty good idea. And then our buddy Jim Lunsfeld from over there at noagendaforums.com set up something fantastic. I'm not sure how long it's going to last.

08:46 But for the meantime, it's great. The No Agenda Proxy at noagendaproxy.com so you can use that to surf sites anonymously. Or you can get the show where you can't otherwise get it, or you can get the show without being caught at work, or you can go to Dvorak.org slash blog in China. Yes. Or you can go to the donation sites, Dvorak.org slash NA or Dvorak.org slash NAS, which are blocked in Russia. So I think that's a great initiative and eventually I'm sure we'll get scanned out. But it's also great for kids at school who can't use outside sites or I'm sure we're being filtered.

09:30 in many schools. I would hope. No agenda proxy. What's wrong with these people? Alright, so we want to thank our executive producer for today's episode, episode 193, Dame Margaret George, coming back to support us once again. We appreciate it highly and of course our associate executive producers ESC Inc., Simon Oxtoby and Edvard Beardhausen. You all know exactly what you have to do. You've got to go out, you've got to propagate the formula which is simple. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. New World Order. Say it with me now. Shut up, slave. I'm feeling like a slave today, John. And let me tell you... But before you go into that, I just want to mention we do have a Black Knight, Scott Rodriques, who will kick off later. We'll know. Yeah, we're gonna wait. Go ahead.

10:28 I feel like a slave. Because of the ash in the air? No, no, no, no, no. I've discovered something pretty nasty going on with Homeland Security. Mickey has a container arriving today, hopefully after the show. You never know with these guys. and you know it cost a lot of money to fill up a 20-foot container and have it all packed up and shipped over here and then she gets a call from the shipping agent over on this side earlier in the week well your containers here and as soon as it's out of the CES will send you the final bill and then we'll bring it out. Like what? What do you mean what final bill? You paid for this thing to be packed, shipped, unpacked, everything. What are you talking about? Well, I had to look up all the regulations and all the laws but here's how it works. Ever since the Department of Homeland Security has been erected

11:28 Of course after 9-11. 95% of all shipping containers go through special scanning when they enter the port. And here's how it works. Your Homeland Security dollars are not used to do this. Oh no, no, no. It goes to a commercial company, a monopoly in most states. It's, I forget what it's called here. It's like TransRipU Inc. There's a customs examination service center and what they do I'll take you and what they do is they They drive your stuff there which cost a couple hundred dollars Then they have a commercial company open it up take everything out So a customs dude can come by and go. Yep. Yep looks good. Yeah, pack it all up boys $1,800

12:23 Well this sounds like an out and out scam. Yeah, but it's in the law. I looked it up at the website at CPP.gov. So this was one of those laws written to benefit some private companies? Yes, of course. And they have to publish their fees. And so they published their most recent fees in 2005. It's like if you got garments and you know what, women happen to have a lot of garments that they ship over. Many do, yes. That's like $1,200 right there. For a container that has garments. It's a huge rip-off. And of course if you ship it to Kansas, oh well then it's only like $300. Should have shipped it to Kansas. If I had known... Wow. Wait a minute, let's back up a second. Why would it be cheaper in Kansas?

13:12 Because there's less corruption there, I guess. Oh, that's what it is. I really don't know But even this even the shipping agent said Yeah, I know this is really messed up and it's even hard to get a final itemized bill of exactly what they did. Because you know they're probably not even unpacking this crap. They're just giving the container some air. Yeah, why would you bother? Yeah, and then the shipping agent said, oh and by the way, we see of the 5% that don't get scanned, they're from Afghanistan. I'm like, oh of course! That's with all the heroin. Yeah, heaven forbid they actually find anything. She literally said that. What would we do? She literally said that. Yeah, we see containers from Afghanistan. They never get special screening. So I'm like, okay, there you go. 1800 bucks and my shit hasn't come yet.

14:04 Oh, what is another 1800 bucks? I know! But yeah, it's like... And this... Shouldn't Homeland Security be doing this as a service for my tax dollars instead of being farmed out to some commercial company? Bastards. It never ends. No, it doesn't. Nor does the the Polish to to the head No, the story's getting better. It is now, of course, we played you the video with the gunshots last week last week Although there's a lot more analysis has been done on it and even stuff that I didn't see there's people walking around jumping out of the plane getting apparently shot

14:46 Why do we laugh at this? We are sick. It's so blatant. We're not even surprised. Of course. But now people are really doing some analysis on this video and it's linked once again in the show notes at noagendashow.com. And this allegedly was from a guy and he's running around there right after the accident. But you literally do see people in the background like jumping off, either off of debris or out of the airplane. And there are several different translations that are kind of put in as titles in these YouTube videos.

15:23 And there's a lot of dispute over that and I just really can't say one way or the other what the correct translation is because you know, I don't speak Russian or Polish for that reason and For that matter, but I have to say it looks like it looks like they're just shooting people and then the guy Who shot this video was stabbed? taken to the hospital in critical condition and apparently they unplugged his life support at the hospital. When was the guy stabbed? Well, we know why, but what was the cover story?

16:05 I don't, there is no cover story as far as I know. The guy was just stabbed. Oh how unfortunate. And it didn't even bother to come up with a cover story? Someone tried to rob him or something? They don't care anymore. I know, I think they're getting careless. This is getting too sloppy. Yeah, and then there's the, just another two to the head. The, I think it's the second highest member of the Polish church. 60 year old I'm reading Polish now John This is bad. I'm actually reading boat. No, this is I'm sorry. This is important. This is German That's how you can read it. So I don't know if he wasn't able to catch a ride on the plane to the Catan Commemoration, but he went I guess he went by by car. He attended the ceremony, of course after all And I'm sorry not the the ceremony he attended the funeral

17:04 and he drove back and he had a fatal car accident. I mean it's just like this is so much crap like they didn't have enough guys. They already got a religious leader in the plane. It's like let's get the number two guy while we're at it. Let's just drive him off the cliff. So this is like getting yeah I don't know. I mean this is strange strange story. Apparently of course we have a couple of Polish listeners and they've told us that none of this is even suggested in the news media there. Well The thing that I'm getting, what I'm hearing is that yes this was a hit, but not by the Russians. Yeah, well this is your theory too. Well because I'm hearing... It happened in, wasn't it in Russia where it happened? It happened in Russia, yeah. What, with the Germans sitting on the ground waiting there so they could shoot these people jumping off the plane? We have our ways.

17:57 Yeah, I'm not buying that seems Russian to me. It's something so careless You think they'd be a little slicker like the thing would first land if there's anybody did the plane would blow up to smithereens? Cuz it happened to land on a ammunition dump. Well, it's the thing it didn't blow up It just kind of like it looks like it fell apart. I mean, there's all kinds of I mean, I know it You know what? It stinks. The whole thing stinks. No, it does stink. It stinks. The whole thing stinks. And, you know, have you heard anything about it in the media at all? Forget about Polish media. In American media, is anyone questioning this? No, it was just reported at the beginning and no one said anything since. And nobody's talked about the dead camera guy who took the movies of these guys being shot.

18:41 And who's been stabbed to death. And stabbed to death. That's also not a nice way of doing it. You know what I mean? What are we gonna do? You have a gun? My gun does not work. Stab the bastard. He didn't die. Go disconnect his tubes. It just sounds like something, it doesn't sound like a profession. If you wrote this as a script? It would be a comedy show. If you said this is a serious spy novel, they'd be like, why don't you go back to the drawing board and write something realistic? You know, this is no good. This would be rejected by every Hollywood studio. It's like, no way, no way. This never happens that way. It's too dumb. Do some covert stuff.

19:35 We have a couple other things to follow up on if you just want to get them out of the way. Yeah, let's do that. Ashmageddon. Oh yes, Ashmageddon. Okay, so I'll just say three things about this. By the way, before you say even one thing, you did catch the story about the guys who took off and said, oh I smell ash! Yeah, and then they returned. Yeah, the Sulphur, it was, I think it was a, what was it? It was a Cook's Tour flight. Yeah, that's what it was. British Thomas cook right but then The engine didn't stop or anything. No, just he smelled ash right saying what? Sure, he didn't say ass and it was just Kevin Smith sitting on the plane. I mean You got to be sure about you. It can be weird transmissions on the radio

20:25 So one thing that happened during all of this is the, there was a huge NATO military exercise scheduled for exactly the same week if you, or five days almost called Brilliant Ardent. and there's conflicting reports, some military reports saying, well, you know, we couldn't fly. Others are saying, well, we flew. And it wasn't just in the sky, by the way, it was also a marine-based Exercise which coincided with the Dutch Air Force as well their version of it was called Friesian flag So there's a lot of information in the show notes and you can I just you just have to draw your own conclusions I couldn't get it one way or the other but you sent a very good Question to me through email. You said Okay, so maybe this is a setup but to what end why was your question? I

21:26 So I have two theories for you. One I already said right off the bat, which was railways make and whether this was intended or prolonged perhaps. So maybe people just freaked out and said, oh, we've got a ground flights and then it was like, hey, this is an interesting crisis. What can I use it for? Well, that's interesting that you would bring that up because you brought it up before. But during this crisis, there's been an inordinate number of advertisements for Siemens and high-speed rail in California. He he, you said Siemen. Yes, the European Parliament on Tuesday said the 27 country bloc has reacted too slowly to a crisis that has shown an urgent need to bring other forms of transportation up to date. Member states should finally learn a lesson from what has happened, said center-right Minister of European Parliament Marion Jean Mariscu.

22:23 A member of the Parliament's Transport Committee. The modernisation of our railroad transportation is a priority! We talk a lot about it. Hey lady, what good does it do to modernize it when they're on strike? Really? What difference does it make? That's a part of it. Make automated. Get rid of the people. Get rid of people. We talk a lot about it. Don't do much. In Europe today, you can't buy a train ticket to travel in a civilized way from the north of Europe to the south of Europe. What? Yeah, that's what she said. That's bogus. In Europe today you can't buy a train ticket to travel in a civilized way, John. Civilized. Now remember these are elites talking so they need like caviar and you know little ball ticklers. You can't buy a train ticket to travel in a civilized way from the north of Europe to the south of Europe. Rail travelers often complain they have to buy tickets for each stage of their journey. Oh we need more harmonization and integration. That's what it's about.

23:27 So that's one. But then I thought about this and I came across a very interesting story. And first I thought, okay, the global warming movement has really jumped the shark when they're saying, all these airplanes that are grounded, that could lead to a rise in temperatures. I'm like, okay, now these guys are totally off their rocker. But then I thought about it. So first of all a study conducted after commercial flights were grounded. This was, this was, yeah I'm going to interrupt you for a second. After 9-11, the people started looking at the documentation and they found out something interesting which you're going to tell us. They found out that after three days of the all, essentially all flights except for Arab flights being grounded

24:17 The average daily temperature range in the US rose markedly exceeding the three day periods before and after by 1.8 degrees Celsius. Which is a reasonable jump. So let me just finish the thought. The same guys who brought you global warming, i.e. the Met Office, are the same guys who had the computer models that brought you Ashmageddon. That's the connection I'm making for you. I'm liking this. And that to me... Because it actually was, in fact I was reading some reports about how the comp... oh now they're starting to say, in fact we got some email on this.

24:54 Now they're saying that the computer models were bad, might as well stay consistent, right? The computer models were bad about Ashmageddon and maybe we didn't need to ground all these flights and blah blah blah, we could have flown around this and that. And then if you dug into it, it was the same basic group Doing the modeling that does that's modeled to do the global warming stuff So doesn't it make a lot of sense if they know and they've had this data for a decade if they know That or almost a decade that by grounding flights glue the temperature will rise So European temperatures will rise by 1.8 percent and these the guys who are saying it's getting warmer Wow doesn't that make a lot of sense

25:39 Especially since we know they didn't actually do any measurements on the ash cloud. They just said, oh that's dangerous, let's stop all flying. Well, I like the theory. It's impossible to prove of course. Well I hope someone else picks up on it because no one seems to be making these connections. Nobody cares. That's the problem, nobody cares. We have a bunch of listeners who I don't even know, I think a lot of our listeners do care kind of but I think they're mostly just entertained by our crazy ideas. Meanwhile of course the true tragedy is in Iceland. Now a hundred or ninety some years ago when this

26:20 when this mountain blew its stack previously, a lot of people died. And the reason why they died was not necessarily because of breathing volcanic ash, but it killed all the crops due to the high, and this is nice, fluoride content. And of course, because there were no crops, the sheep and the cows couldn't eat and people died of famine. And once again, the fluoride levels in this ash is is causing a wreaking havoc in Iceland which I'm sure no one cares about either except us. Which of course makes me also question fluoride again. Well you know they, well luckily most of this is blowing

27:05 toward England. Luckily, luckily. Sorry chaps. And curiously the Reykjavik airport is still open with flights to the United States so we could actually go visit this thing. Now I have to ask you a question about the you know no-fly zones and all the rest of it. I was looking at a bunch of these photos of the volcano and it was obvious that these photos were taken by someone in an airplane. A helicopter yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. But there's a lot some great shots I mean this thing apparently this particular ash is electrically conductive. Yeah, it's beautiful. And it's blowing up through the glacier and so you're getting a lot of weird lightning that's interconnecting the clouds. And the UFO formation, I'm sure you saw that video.

27:53 No, I didn't. Oh, it's fantastic. It's a V-shape of probably eight or nine craft hovering right near the volcano. That would make sense because they have to promote the reintroduction of the KGO, or sorry, ABC show V. So that would make sense to plant something like that. It's a good promotion. V sucks. Yeah, V blows. Could you guys promote something else? And even if it's aliens who are promoting V, you guys are off your rocker. You gotta get some new shows up there. They like the show V. They're probably still watching the old show, because it takes so long for it to get to their dishes up there. They're watching the original V series, which was okay. Yeah, that's the one where they eat the squirrels or whatever.

28:40 So yeah, so your aviation question is is it okay for these aircraft to be flying in the volcanic Area well, yeah Of course, it's ridiculous. Well, they are that you know, they're not flying through the visible part of the cloud, which is the whole point And these are turbine based helicopters so they would have the exact same issue. Right, they would have the same turbines. Today's modern turbine engines are used JP4, the same jet fuel. They're jets with a prop hooked up. It's a jet engine, yeah. With a big prop. Which we call a rotor.

29:17 Roto that's the word. Yeah, so of course it's bogus the whole thing is bogus And that's why I'm really liking the the global warming about global warming I'm like on the global warming angle Anna and I definitely still think that this is at least it's going to be used to promote more trains which by the way Economically speaking John it's not a bad idea. You know that they need to kickstart some kind of economy around something So it might as well be trains. Well, I like, you know, the thing is I like trains so it doesn't bother me that much. Although they're not as convenient necessarily as an airplane or fast. It's definitely not as fast. So, except that one, you know, that one, the interesting one, which I don't understand why we don't talk about it at all in this country, is the, I think it goes from the Beijing airport to Beijing, the Maglev train that does 450.

30:10 A friend of mine took it recently, it's only been introduced like a year or a year and a half ago. And a friend of mine took it and he says it's unbelievable. For one thing it's a maglev so it has no wheels or anything, it just kind of sits up on magnets. It's a nice smooth ride. And then it just blasts off like a bat out of hell at 400 miles an hour. And we don't even, it's like nobody even knows this, nobody in the United States, Americans are very, I keep telling people. Americans are stupid, is that what you keep telling people? No, they're naive. I keep telling people you want to do something for the weekend, people in the East Coast, I think if I lived in New York for example, I'd be going to Paris every weekend or not every weekend but once in a while and a good deal. Fly over to Paris, have dinner, spend a couple nights, come back. On the West Coast, we have the opportunity to do something similar even though it takes a few more hours but I know from Vancouver you can get to Shanghai in I think around seven hours, maybe six.

31:04 But whatever the case is, just pack up, go to the council, get yourself a visa and go to Shanghai for the weekend or for a couple days or just because it's dirt cheap, you can get a really great hotel room for less than a hundred bucks. The place is jumping, you get some of the best restaurants in the world, you can have the time of your life. and come back with a little insight as to what's going on in China because most people don't have a clue. But if you go there once in a while, it's a real eye-opener and I advise people to just visit. And I know that there's not that much of that going on because when I go to China, and I don't care where it is, I'm like the only white guy that I see for days. You're a novelty.

31:47 Well actually I was in Novelta, I went to this city's Xiamen which is a, has an art dealer I was visiting and we decided to go float around town. They have a little amusement park which is a total piece of crap and by the whole time I was there, every time I went to a restaurant or anything everyone would stare at me because apparently the number of white folks... You know what they were staring at? They're like, look at how that guy holds his fork. Oh my god, can you believe that? He used chopsticks in China, my friend. No kidding! So anyway, we went to this little park and a bunch of Chinese kids demanded they all take pictures of me with them. Yeah, well that's kind of the same when I went to the long necks in Thailand. Then of course right after they, oh take picture with me. Hey, you're neck longer than mine. We need a no agenda junket to Shanghai. That's what we need. That would be good.

32:43 So, um... Actually, we do. That might be not a bad thing to set up with some travelers. You get a bunch of the no agenda mavens and we can all go together. Yeah, let's get Thomas Cook. Hey, you know, that's... John, great idea. Let's get all the no agenda people on a plane and let's fly to Russia. This is a great idea. Let's go to Russia. And let's make sure we have it checked a year before by the Russians. This is great. Maybe not. Alright, a couple of updates on Haiti and then I'm done because I just don't want to forget that we started talking about the shysters that show up and just send us your cash and this outrageous bullshit that's going on with Haiti. This was sent to me by one of our producers, Philip Ragnor.

33:27 at his local Safeway. A note on the door, please note, due to the current situation, until further noticed, Western Union will not be accepting money transfers to Haiti as it cannot guarantee delivery of funds. Well, how does that work? Isn't that just like an electronic thing? Well, apparently he's been intercepted by some agency. You know, that's just weird. I mean, Western Union, they just hit a couple of keystrokes, it pops up on the monitor at the other end, and then someone just dishes out some cash. So does that mean that... To me, it's like, okay, so all that money we texted, it's not making it?

34:17 I didn't text any because I knew this would happen. So the BBC is reporting something very interesting and this just really gets my goat. So what is about to happen in the next four weeks? Haiti we've got the rainy season coming this is when these people and The reports are about 2 million people who are still displaced living in tents sleeping in mud Which is soon to be you know waist-high mud gonna be washed away So what is the US military say? Well, we'll be out by June 1st We don't want to be here helping it we don't want to be here helping anybody It's just like this makes no sense

35:06 it makes no sense now they got to be everything's in place in that latest report of course is that a lot of the donations and money from the u n is uh... being used to to fund the u n a haiti and give the fat salaries to a bunch of people in the whole cut housing complex a bill building for them yes seven hundred thirty two million dollars uh... couple of notes about that in the show notes and no agenda show dot com so uh... that's kind of interesting i'm surprised at the uh... haitians uh... It's a good thing they're not armed to the teeth because I think they'd be shooting people left and right. Oh, well, there's all kinds of reports of the violence and the gangs and this one was just crazy. The district attorney in Brooklyn, New York has said, oh, I think we need to contribute. So he sent over seven truckloads of confiscated counterfeit designer clothing and shoes. I didn't know this.

36:04 Nike the brand Chanel sunglasses Just ludicrous. Yeah, it's like... Okay, let me explain to people that don't know this, but in New York City there's a street you can go there and visit. It's Canal Street. And Canal Street, depending on what side of the street you're on, has all these counterfeit goods and they have lots of them. Watches, Rolex watches you can get for anywhere from $10 to $40 depending on the movement. All kinds of clothing, lots of bags. Oh yeah. There's Louis Vuitton bags. Phony baloney cross pins. I mean just everything. And a lot of them of course are the real deal. Maybe they have a small defect or it's done in the same factory just pumped out through a different channel. Much of the stuff is done in the same factory. Especially when you see some really obscure watch that looks exactly like... I mean because who's going to counterfeit this thing? I mean it's like it's too much work.

37:02 Unless you already have the dyes and you're making them already. Well, so permission was obtained from manufacturers including Nike, Timberland, Antique Denim Jeans, Black Label, Christian Audigier, allowing these knockoffs to be donated to the Haitians because, according to Kings County District Attorney Charles J. Hines, if they're gonna dye, they might as well look good. No, I made that up I made that up Yeah But it's like what this is crazy. It's just it's just absolutely nuts I'm sorry. It's not quite as nuts as I Had some more on the toothbrush thing that's for real man that that toothbrush bring it bring a new toothbrush for the people for 80 and

37:50 But here's a dichotomy and then I'll get off it. So there's some pictures that are surfacing of 61,000 pounds of butterball turkey that have been shipped to Haiti. Now first of all, this is a dumb thing to send because turkey, I mean this is not a handy item. It needs to be kept frozen. Well, it has to be refrigerated, not necessarily frozen. Well, the box says keep frozen. I'm looking at the box right here. Oh, they're probably because they're frozen. They're frozen, yeah. You don't want them to thaw and then refreeze. Yeah, once you thaw them, you have to cook them. Yeah. But they're stacked, and the reason why they're stacked, and this is a report from, I think it's from CBS.

38:42 Let's just listen to this for a second. I actually I didn't I have taken your advice and I have made an actual sound clip recording instead of playing the online video Of all the things you've heard about earthquake aid to Haiti here's something you probably didn't know Haiti's government wants large-scale food assistance and free health care to stop if it's not It was to us too when Katie Couric recently visited Haiti and spoke to Aaron Boyd, a nutrition aide for UNICEF. Okay, it's all the UN people there, right? So you always got to be wary of that. Boyd disagrees with cutting back on aid, but told why it's being done.

39:19 When you continue having a lot of food distributions, you lower the price of food so that people can't trade and it disrupts markets basically. In other words, there may be such a thing as too much help. The public outpouring is so generous, it's interfering with the Haitian economy. If food is free, local farmers can't sell what they grow. Desperately poor residents who aren't earthquake victims are moving into refugee camps for the free food and health care. But the government wants residents to be less dependent on foreign aid, not more. Susan Reikley is with USAID, the US agency that distributes foreign aid. Listen, first of all, do you buy this? I mean, isn't this just crazy? It's disturbing the local economy. It's bogus.

40:06 So that's why these butterball frozen turkeys are just stacked up thawing, leaking turkey guts at the airport there. Yeah, it sounds like they just had a bunch of overstock of turkeys and they wanted to get rid of them. What can we do? Well I got a good tax write-off, Jim. Let's send them to Haiti! Yeah! Send them to Haiti, we can get your write-off on the whole deal. Yay! You've got promoted, you're now vice president. Good job. It's already spent $562 million on Haiti relief. As they've requested that these large-scale food distributions and as well as some of the large-scale programs which are really pulling people into the camps, we're working with them. We are in complete agreement with them on this point.

40:51 Going back on aid means something a lot of American donors might find unthinkable. Even as many go without meals, relief food that's already made it to Haiti is now being sent to warehouses for future disasters. USAID calls it pre-positioning. Ooh, we have a word. There's some new speak. Ooh, new word, new word. Pre-positioning. We need a jingle. Pre-positioning so you go hungry. Pre-positioning. You can just see it the Haiti, the Haitians lining up, hey can I have some of that pre-positioned food please? I'm really hungry and some of that pre-positioned health care because you know you're ruining the health care economy. Oh that's it. They've got to have a health care bill maybe that's what they want. This is nuts. Did she not clearly say food and health care?

41:42 I didn't see the healthcare. Yeah, yeah, was it the first thing she said? Food and healthcare. But healthcare, we have to pre-position your healthcare because we need the local economy. Pre-position means get in line. New word a new line. Yeah, stay tuned for that word to show you doing to those people. Well, we're pre positioning They were pre positioning them. That's right. So there's enough left now to pre position for future me and that's exactly what we're doing How can they do this how can you come up with some bogus new word and you just casually throw it out as though is always in the lexicon Yeah, well because they're divorcing themselves from old vernacular

42:22 It's the new speak. You gotta pay it. I love this stuff. This is great. It's just unbelievable. Yeah. The food aid branch of the UN also tells you this is USAID. It's scaling back food aid at the request of the Haiti government, storing food for future needs. The Haitian government. put in by the US and help put in there by the CIA were on board with the program to turn this into a tax haven and gambling paradise with roads like Hillary Court and Bill Jefferson Way. The shift away from free food on a massive scale has been done quietly in Haiti and has opened a can of worms, relief officials... Which they can eat, have

43:09 Have your can of worms. Yeah, I mean, a can of worms, not a can of turkey. Eat your worms. People who need to keep the donations flowing worry that once word gets out, people will be less likely to give. Others say that donations meant for earthquake relief food should not now be used for other needs. As of tonight, total donations to Haiti meet and exceed the biggest estimates of how much it will cost to rebuild, up to $14 billion. Let it be. The record-breaking Hope for Haiti telethon in January brought in more than 66 million dollars. That's all we brought in by the way, 66 million dollars, that's it?

43:50 That sounds like they're fudging the numbers on the low side. That doesn't make any sense to me. I mean the whole world watched that. We were in awe. We had tears. The whole world watched it. There should have been a lot more money than that. We were texting our $10. It was lovely. Part of the $4 billion raised by non-government groups and charities. The U.S. government has given more than a billion dollars and has pledged another billion plus. Other countries and world bodies have pledged 8.75 billion over two years. That's 14.9 billion dollars and counting. With all that aid pouring in, some worry that it will feed corrupt and criminal elements rather than the needy. Oh, there it is! There are reports of gangs intercepting aid and selling food on the black market with impunity from high-ranking officials. It's just one example of the complexities in play when trying to- Shysters show up and take advantage of people's goodwill and generosity. Yep. There you go. That's your, uh, that's your Haiti report. Things going well.

44:53 Yeah, well, I don't know what to say. Well, you know, it's just a bit I don't know. Let's talk about something else. I mean we harp on that this will never end until the hotels are built and then we're invited to some you know, some sort of a Swanky open. Yeah. And they go there and it'd be all Hades behind the crap table. The jingle by the way should be new speak of the week. That's a suggestion from the chat room. New speak of the week. Yeah, I like that. New speak of the week. Because we do seem to have one about weekly. We need a Jeff for that one. Yeah, Sir Jeff. Okay. Sir Jeff. What you got for me my brother? Well, we do have some, I have a couple of interesting, I have a lot of, my clips this week are all, you know, from

45:40 Let me get to a blank screen here. By the way, can I just say that, can I just jinx it for a moment and say that the sound quality is outstanding. I hear you great today since I made this change and we have not been kicked off yet. Well, we're coming up on the 45 minute mark so any minute now. Yeah, well the kicking off is a different thing and the sound quality I'm sure. How are you receiving me on that end? Is it good? Yeah, you sound the same as you've always sounded. You sound fantastic. Okay, thank you. Thank you, baby. That's what I need to hear.

46:21 reaffirmation. Except for that part. Yeah. Okay, let's see here. Well, while you're looking, have you seen the website newmoney.gov? Have you heard about our new $100 bill? You know what, I guess they're counterfeiting the old 100s already, so they came up with this one which has got one of those mag stripes on it. Well, of course, the minute we have one of these, we gotta see if it has an RFID chip embedded. It may, it may, it may, you don't know. But here's the question I have. I'm going to go to my bank tomorrow, you know, our bank, and I'm going to ask them to get me one of those as soon as they come in. So here's a question I have for you. Because this newmoney.gov, I looked through the site and one of the questions I have is if they print up a whole bunch of new hundred dollar bills,

47:17 They literally say, you know, we're not taking the old bills out of circulation immediately. Oh, no, they never do right But isn't that the equivalent of printing money? They are printing money. That's right But isn't like printing more money isn't this? Those are always coming out of circulation, right? Right, but if they're interested... I think the answer to that question was if we, you know, we're not taking all the old bills to replace them with all the new bills. It's a process where money is taken out of circulation as money is put into circulation. Sometimes you put more money in than you take out, which is what your complaint would be. Okay, let's play a couple clips here. You're not answering my question, but thanks anyway. I'm not going to answer it because I don't have an answer for it. Here's a couple of interesting things. Most of the stuff I have this week is about

48:06 kind of predicting what's going to be happening in the future in terms of who's going to get screwed. We're looking into John's crystal ball. Let's listen to this clip called Germany and Goldman Sachs. Okay. The movie is one of the first acts taken by Bionel B's new CEO who took office just last week. Sylvia Vardver is in Frankfurt. She has more details on this. And Sylvia, what happened to Innocence until proven guilty? Let me set this up. The Bayern Bank in Bavaria, I guess, dissociated itself from Goldman Sachs after this initial investigation began this week. Yeah, which they're not the only ones to do that. They're not the only ones, but then it turns out this woman who's an analyst for CNBC World, she says that it looks as though, you'll hear it, that Germany

48:56 as a whole may dissociate but I'm thinking Goldman Sachs is so you know they're like the octopus at this point in time. Their tentacles are everywhere. I'm predicting and you can listen to the rest of the clip but I'm predicting that Germany is going to get screwed by pulling if they pull this stunt. Okay and yes I have some thoughts on that let's listen to the rest of the clip. Well, I think as far as banking is concerned, it's a very tricky situation. I talked to somebody from the Bavarian finance ministry last night and... Is this that kind of weirdly hot chick with a blonde hair with a weird part in the middle? No, just the opposite. You know who I'm talking about though, right? Yeah, no, this is not her. I like her. She has like that weird like... She's your style. Yes, it looks like she's from the spaceship.

49:42 She's a tall blonde. Okay, that's not her good to ask because of the very in the state of a very of course is the major shareholder and he said quite clearly he said no banking is built on trust. If you don't trust your bankers anymore, then you have to take a step back. And I think in the case of Bayern Elbe it might be even more politically motivated than anywhere else because we know that with their backs against the wall they had to be bailed out several times. Goldman Sachs was their investment advisor for D2. detoxicating toxic acids for two years and at the moment they're thinking, hmm, maybe they were not the right advisors for that. So I think on a political scale that's the right decision. But the bigger one is the one that might be coming up yet, is whether or not the German government will decide to kick Goldman out of the Bundesanleihekonsortium. That's the consortium that places federal government paper. We're talking about really big money, we're talking about big prestige.

50:40 has been on there for years and I can only quote one of the finance senators of Berlin who said, and I have to quote this because it has to be clear, how those investment bankers of Goldman Sachs are behaving in business relations. So it raises serious doubt whether they are earnest businessmen. Judged by the personal experience with Goldman Sachs in the last months, I intend if possible not to do any business with them anymore. That's Ulrich Nussbaum, the finance senator of Berlin And people like that sit in the Kapitalmarkt, Auschwitz, that decides who will issue German government paper. So before we go into analyzing this, John, almost exactly the same report in the Volkskrant in Gitmo Nation Lowlands, Minister of Finance says, you know what, yeah, these Goldman guys, they basically are the transaction agent for all of our national paper, in other words, the debt.

51:37 So Goldman's completely all over the Netherlands as well. And exactly the same words, well we can do without Goldman, we can figure out someone else, we can get somebody else. Do you think that this is a hit on Goldman? This seems so unbelievable that as you say, Goldman is everywhere, in fact the Dutch prince Johan Frieso who is married to one of George Soros' top lieutenants, Mabel Visse, Smith. Now, of course, her last name is different, but people know her by that name. He worked at Goldman for four or five years. I mean, they're everywhere. So what is going on here? I mean, are they really trying to take it out or find a guy to blame it on because it's all coming down anyway?

52:31 What do you think? I don't know for sure, but it could be Lehman Brothers, ex-Lehman Brothers people for all we know behind it. Because they're the ones that have the biggest complaint with Goldman. And Lehman was just in front of the Congress, I think it was in the last week or so, because I saw it, kept seeing the CEO, in fact I think I have it on tape, the CEO of Lehman trying to explain what happened. Could this not be at a higher level because... Well it could be on some government level. How about Rothschild level? I don't know what I think they're really they'd be in bed with Goldman if anything the whole thing there's something suspicious about it and I honestly believe that somehow Obama's involved with this in some screwy way play the Obama on Goldman this kind of took me by surprise oh this is where the where the White House is saying we had we're having this we don't know nothing

53:20 How about his niece, Kavorš? By the way, he's looking around very peculiarly. This is a blatant lie as far as I can tell. ...Bactelion, the first on CNBC and a thank you to Caroline who joined us in that interview from Zurich. Now President Obama has told CNBC that his administration was not tipped off about the legal action engulfing Goldman Sachs. Speaking exclusively to CNBC's John Harwood yesterday, he in fact said the first he heard about the SEC's fraud charges against the bank was on this channel. And the SEC is an entirely independent agency that we have no day-to-day control over and they never discussed with us anything with respect to the charge that will be brought. So this notion that somehow there would be

54:02 Any attempt to interfere in an independent agency is completely false. So you can say categorically, no winks, no heads up in advance, no signal from anyone. Categorically. We found out about it on CNBC. You know, whenever someone says categorically, you know they're lying. They're lying, but here's the thing. Unfortunately, this particular lie I don't think makes Obama look that good because are you telling... here, let's take a look at this from another perspective. Are you telling me that the White House is so out of touch with its own agencies or the agencies of the US government who they do communicate with? Yeah, it's an independent agency. Yeah, they don't manage it, but they put everybody in place. It's a government property.

54:49 Are you telling me that the White House of this country is so out of touch with what's going on around it that something as important as this and the people of the SEC aren't stupid? They know that Goldman's in the the midst of everything. You're telling me that nobody told them about this, they had no communications and they've only found out about it on CNBC so in other words it was released to the press before the government itself knew? Is that how isolated these people are? I mean what is the subtext of this message? It's ridiculous. Well I have some context to that from former President Bill Clinton

55:27 Who was an ABC and was asked about, because we know that the derivatives started during his administration. It was completely deregulated. He definitely had contact with the SEC. In fact, he's saying this is a crappy SEC. You want to hear my clip? Sure. This was even his presidential address, his weekly radio YouTube thingy. The things that President Obama is pushing for is regulation of derivatives and also with a thing called the Volcker Rule, he's trying to separate commercial banking. So the president is starting this reform and then the SEC goes after Goldman Sachs. Oh really? Coincidence? I think not! ...from investment banking interests. These were things that

56:30 were the opposite policies of Treasury Secretary Rubin and Summers at the time. Do you think in retrospect they gave you bad advice on those issues? Well, I think on the derivatives, on the, before the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed, it had been breached. There was already a total merger practically of commercial and investment banking. And really, this is, revelation for me to hear this. This is also bullshit but I'll go on. Well I have to say that that Glass-Steagall was breached and everyone knew it. It was like we always like oh it's the Chuck. All they had to do is just say hey wait a minute and they could have they could have in pushed pushed the laws that were within Glass-Steagall if it was breached and it was gonna continue to be breached why would you go out of your way to repeal it? No but the

57:24 But the big joke is everyone knew it, it was always wink wink, nudge nudge, yeah, haha, Chinese wall, yeah, hoho, you know what you're saying? Because I was around all this in the 90s. When the dot-com boom was exploding and all these companies were going public and I went, oh, that's the Chinese wall with the ambulance can't talk to that guy, wink wink, nudge nudge. The main thing that Glass-Steagall... By the way, Clinton looks like he's on the brink of death in this interview. He doesn't look good. He looks bad. What I did was to give us some power to regulate it, the repeal, and also to give old-fashioned traditional banks in all over America the right to take an investment interest if they wanted to forestall bankruptcy. Sadly, none of them did that. Mostly it was just the

58:11 continued blurring of the lines but only about a third of all the money loaned today is loaned in traditional banking channels and that was well underway before that legislation was signed so I don't feel the same way about that. I think what happened was the SEC and the whole regulatory apparatus after I left office was just let go. So he said oh this new SEC blows is what he said. and what it was is a commentary that was done by dick morris i think it was on one of the uh... was on fox i believe we probably are right now i have a habit you want to have the clip on the surface is the one where he talks about clinton about waco yeah you want to know that i would talk about what limbaugh said okay here comes this is a amazing revelation oh yeah we're coming and let's understand what was timothy mccabe's motivation

59:12 God knows what went on in that crazy head of his, but there is some speculation that he himself had said that it was the reaction to the Waco takeover. And Bill Clinton orchestrated that takeover and in fact was so ashamed about what he did in Waco that he was not going to appoint Janet Reno to a second four-year term. And she told him in a meeting right before the inauguration day for his new term, that if you don't appoint me, I'm going to tell the truth about Waco. And that forced Clinton's hand in reappointing her. So I don't remember you telling this story, but no it's never been said before well I think that President Clinton might want to examine his own connection with the Oklahoma City bombing in terms of Waco before he starts accusing People and walkers and wheelchairs who are trying to keep their Medicare being provoked so what was the truth about? Waco that Reno threatened to use against I have no idea, but I know that he told me Clinton told me that I couldn't I

1:00:13 not appoint Reno because she would have turned on me over Waco. That's the phrase. What do you want? Whoa. Okay. So Limbaugh, that was Hannity show, I guess. So Limbaugh, uh, pick this up and, and dug into Clinton's, uh, my life, which of course he derisively calls my lies by Clinton's biography and Clinton in the biography, not only throws Reno under the bus, claiming that it was all her responsibility. By the way, this does make sense because I always thought that after Waco and Ruby Ridge, which people should definitely read about, and there's a good rundown in the most recent... Wiki entry. Wiki entry is quite good on Ruby Ridge and the basic murdering of American citizens on American soil. With no accountability apparently.

1:01:02 the after those two events which were under Janet Reno's rule I thought she wasn't gonna get reappointed so it's obvious that she had some on him she had some I mean what it was is that he may have been responsible for orchestrating like as Dick Morris said the entire Waco incident and he was and he was embarrassed about so Limbaugh brought out the the book and started reading from his bio what Clinton had to say about it. It was quite funny because it's mostly weasel words. So I was all against it. I didn't even know they were going to do this. And, and, um, and I was going to take full responsibility though, cause I was the commander. Oh dude, he's, he does the same thing in this financial clip. I take responsibility. So he says I was going to take full responsibility for this, but Stephanopoulos talked me out of it.

1:01:50 I other one other of his uh... dominion said no mister president can't do that because it's a you shouldn't do that is against the is not a good idea and he's a lot and so they couldn't says against my better judgment agreed with them Former President Bill Clinton's on Friday said and I'm reading from Politico that legitimate comparisons can be drawn between today's grassroots anger and resentment toward the government and the right-wing extremism that bubbled up prior to the bombing of the Edward Murrow building in Oklahoma City. He's, I mean what kind of setup is this?

1:02:46 You see that the setup is well, of course the the tea party thing is getting on their nerves Okay, yeah, and the setup is the following first. You got to demonize them. He's a bunch of old old Real chairs. Yeah, you got a demonize him and then you've got to do what all the good political politicians do, if you got us plant agent provocateurs, agent provocateurs within the organization, the ones that carry the weird signs, the one that use the N word, you just bring them in as though they were members and then they infiltrate and then they embarrass the whole group and then the whole thing falls apart when people say, these people are terrible, they're a bunch of racists. And that's, you know, you hear from the Rachel Maddow and, and

1:03:30 Oberman and all these guys because they'll get on that bill more as fast as you are Bill Maher are for sure Here's the quote from the president. I wish I had audio because he's apparently is listening to this very show What we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that we should hold less passion for the positions We hold but that our words really do matter There's a vast echo chamber and the words fall on the serious and delirious alike. I Have at it, go fight, do whatever you want. You don't have to be nice but be careful with what you say. And do not advocate violence. Oh, I just got to play it. So in the meantime,

1:04:25 MSNBC cobbled together a special on the Tim McVeigh tapes. Which I guess were produced and I don't even know how these are edited or we don't know anything about them. These are the phone calls? From the compound? I don't know if these are phone calls from the compound. I don't know. I don't know what these tapes are. There were tapes that were made as a debriefing. Somebody got to interview them or something. They've been kept forever and now they've been released. Until it was handy to release them to demonize people, right? Yeah, and McVeigh, but yeah, but the problem with the left-wingers in this regard, and Rachel Maddow is the voice over the narrator, and she's like trying to be really serious, so she doesn't have any of that snide quality of voice, and she's actually fair at doing this. But the...

1:05:16 But they just can't resist. There's a checklist, just as with the right-wingers, there's this checklist if you don't do this and this and this and this as a conservative, you're a rhino. With the left, they've got their little agendas that always crop up. Now I want you to play this clip. Now this clip runs about three minutes and you can interrupt it at any given time, but when the mean comes up, You're gonna, I want you to identify it immediately because it's gonna be like, oh brother, I mean this is like, it's just like, how did they get this into here? How did you get this meme, which we've discussed over the past few weeks, the meme is a live one. That's interesting, they'd slip this in. So this is more new speak of the week, I guess. No, no, it's just a meme, just a plain old meme. All right, here we go.

1:06:14 and the music is just ridiculous. No, it's great. I can't wait for Rachel. I have full responsibility for all my actions and for who I am. I am not looking in any way, shape or form to blame anything on my parents or my upbringing. Tim was born into a working class family just north of Buffalo, New York. It's a hardworking community of blue collar folks. His father, his grandfather worked at an auto plant. The family he was born into was very typical American. Timothy McVeigh was the first son in that family. He'd had an older sister and then later a younger sister came along.

1:06:58 Growing up to me I was taught with my family that even getting a speeding ticket was like a sin type thing You know, it wasn't this religious thing. I don't want to say sin in a religious tone. I mean like any breaking of the law It's bad Tim. You should never break the law An energetic, generally happy kid, McVeigh did not see too much of that joy inside his own home. I love Rachel's voiceover. It's really impressive with the music. Bill and Mickey were constantly at odds with one another. His parents didn't mesh together very well.

1:07:34 I think she wanted something bigger, something better and just wanted to be free. The sisters and Tim were put in a very difficult situation when the family broke up. The sisters decided to go with the mom and she moved down to Florida and Tim said no I'm staying with dad. With my parents being completely honest, I can't sit here today and tell you that I truly love them. I know what love is, and I don't think I feel it to my parents. You asked if there's any men that I love. I love my grandfather, McVeigh. Ed McVeigh lived just a mile or so down the road and became a role model and constant presence in young McVeigh's life once his mother and sisters moved away.

1:08:27 Ed did a lot of child rearing with Tim. And thank God Ed was there, because he would have had no one. He would go shooting with his grandfather. He did everything with his grandfather. In contrast to the safe haven he found with his grandfather, McVeigh struggled with the social pressures of high school. Oh! Oh! Was he bullied? Was he bullied? Oh, I can't wait! Highly intelligent by all accounts, McVeigh's problems were not in the classroom. I think they started calling me Noodle McVeigh. Because I was thin as a noodle, right? And lanky, and all that. So then they started, well, noodle, chicken noodle soup, chicken McNuggets, McVeigh McNuggets, Chicken McVeigh. He got pecked on. And that was one of the resentments that he harbored throughout his entire life. Bullies. Bullies!

1:09:25 Bullies! I got bullied so I'm gonna be radical and blow up children! I can't even listen to this anymore. It's not, it doesn't get any better you can stop it there. It's unbelievable! He doesn't blame the jocks, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, well screw them. The jocks. Wow, bullying. Well, you know, this is where you can either left the people on this side of the aisle. They just can't get off this bullying thing. Well, I'll say it again. This was a huge thing a couple years back in Gitmo Nation East when I was living in London. And it's all there was another report, Christina, my daughter's here still with us and we're

1:10:06 We were watching something else on the news and was about this girl who committed suicide because she was bullied and I watched Christina and I watch her reaction to this and These kids have really been indoctrinated with this bullying stuff, you know, and she's like wow Yeah, this bullying is out of control. Look at how horrible this is. So it's working It's working on a very deep social sociological or psychological level because of course everyone gets bullied at school and At some point everyone gets some bullying. There's a pecking order in school and you have to see... Yeah, it's like life. It's like the way it is. You get bullied. This is what bothers me. I'm concerned about people that grow up isolated from this and then they go into the real world where they get bullied by a mad off or a salesperson. You know, I've been getting nothing but phone calls from all these sales... because I got on some list and somebody finally told me who put the list up. So tell it

1:09:25 Bullies! I got bullied so I'm gonna be radical and blow up children! I can't even listen to this anymore. It's not, it doesn't get any better you can stop it there. It's unbelievable! He doesn't blame the jocks, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, well screw them. The jocks. Wow, bullying. Well, you know, this is where you can either left the people on this side of the aisle. They just can't get off this bullying thing. Well, I'll say it again. This was a huge thing a couple years back in Gitmo Nation East when I was living in London. And it's all there was another report, Christina, my daughter's here still with us and we're

1:10:06 We were watching something else on the news and was about this girl who committed suicide because she was bullied and I watched Christina and I watch her reaction to this and These kids have really been indoctrinated with this bullying stuff, you know, and she's like wow Yeah, this bullying is out of control. Look at how horrible this is. So it's working It's working on a very deep social sociological or psychological level because of course everyone gets bullied at school and At some point everyone gets some bullying. There's a pecking order in school and you have to see... Yeah, it's like life. It's like the way it is. You get bullied. This is what bothers me. I'm concerned about people that grow up isolated from this and then they go into the real world where they get bullied by a mad off or a salesperson. You know, I've been getting nothing but phone calls from all these sales... because I got on some list and somebody finally told me who put the list up. So tell it

1:10:57 tell a marketing list for apparently people who are stupid enough to buy securities over the phone from somebody you don't know. And these guys, they have a hard sell. I usually jump on it on their case, especially with the one sales pitch I really find annoying, which is, would you agree with me that blah, blah, blah, would you agree with me that blah, blah, blah, would you agree with me that so you get you in an agreeable mood anytime anyone says, would you agree with me? I immediately say, no, I'm not going to agree with anything you say. And so it really screws them up. But anyway, I think I can take this one step further. I see the direction where this is going our previous show actually the title I think was bully for you I know if that was the show the previous show or the one before that because this is a very you're right a very active meme It's going one step further because what a bullies do what two bullies do When they need to strike back and get rid of all of that anger well

1:11:51 They become terrorists on the internet. Listen to Kathleen Parker, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist from the Washington Post. who is now a member of the Face the Nation team. Listen to what she says. Someone made an interesting point to me recently in talking about how, you know, some of this really nasty rhetoric that shows up on the internet. Yeah. Where you don't know who said it. There really is no accountability. The internet being the only place, the only vehicle to deliver news that has no editor. You don't know where this stuff comes from, whether it's true or false. And this person said to me, you know, we've always had opinion that comes from various places, like during Lincoln's day, every newspaper had an editorial point of view. But this person said the difference was in those days, you knew which paper it was coming from. Now you don't know where some of this is coming from and that is the added factor. That's the set up. To the volatility of this stuff.

1:12:52 Yeah, it's interesting. People will say anything when they have the cloak of anonymity. It's sort of like terrorism. You know, we don't know where to aim our... No, listen, it gets better. It's just like the cloak of terrorism. Listen! ...of anonymity. It's sort of like terrorism. You know, we don't know where to aim our... bombs. We don't know where to aim our bombs! We're these internet terrorists! We can't go after a country because there are, you know, there's no one place to focus on and it's the same thing with the... It's the same thing! With the internet you can't really, you don't know who to go after and you and I, I'm sure you've shared some of the... Bullying. The wonderful experiences I've had... Bullying. Of being attacked and threatened and whatnot. And bullied.

1:13:36 It sort of feeds on itself, you know, builds and people who are not well grounded and who may have these more violent tendencies. Yeah, the terrorists on the internet. Suddenly find a place where they can convene and find validation and even find company. Convene, oh we're coming together. You're on a damn, on a message board, biatch. I don't know where that all leads but it's, It's kind of scary. Where do you... Oh, it's kind of scary. Scary! It's so scary! What's scary, John, is we have missed our mark. We gotta talk about some support here. Can I just say, this particular episode of No Agenda

1:14:19 Has flown has been flowing very nicely our clips are complimentary. It's like we had a meeting have clips It's like we had a meeting almost it is and I can assure any listener out there We did we don't didn't we did not have a meeting. Let me just thank you Do a lot of one-upsmanship on the show the show is actually a free-form conversation between two people which makes a little unique and and we don't plan, I mean, but the thing is it's at some point and I think listeners get to this point too where you can just see this stuff coming down Broadway. I mean it's the obvious story of the week, there's the obvious real news which we'll get to after we thank some people for giving us some help with their contributions. And so what we don't do is we don't take advertisements

1:15:09 Because we can't. A, because we would have had to interrupt the flow that we just had for the past hour and ten minutes. We would have had to interrupt it six times. Well, we'll be right back. I know you're really into the story. I know you're having a lot of fun listening to that Rachel Manno clip about bullying, but we'll be right back. Hey, stay tuned everybody. We'll be right back. So, we hate doing that. And of course, we couldn't talk about half the stuff we talk about. Yeah, and the other thing is it's an overhead issue. It takes, you know, people who do advertising and do these kinds of things. It's a pain in the ass to track it all. You have to, besides that, you have to hire people, you have to have salespeople. I mean, to do advertising right, I mean, to do it slip-shod, yeah, we could probably get some advertisers once in a while because we meet them someplace. But to do it right, you need a full-time staff of salespeople.

1:16:04 And it would ruin the show, it would ruin our attitudes. We'd rather spend time working on the stories than managing some sales geek. And it's just that... Hey, what's your pipeline like? Oh no! Where's your sales report for this week? I mean, you gotta get TPS reports for me. And we also believe that people who enjoy the show or get something out of it or use it for their commute entertainment hour, they are supporting the show directly. We're getting direct support from people. We're showing that it's a new business model. I actually may take this model over to DH Unplugged.

1:16:41 What are you talking about? I think we're gonna ask for money, I think for Horowitz's show. You whore! You ignorant slut! You're the one who told me that this is... and I believe... I didn't... I thought you were... Well hold on a second, but I do the daily source code to contribute to the stream, now you're gonna enrich Horowitz? Well, let me think about it. We'll talk about that. Enrich is a big word by the way. Enrich. Enrich. It's like, you know, it's like, what's he got in his wallet as we speak? So, but the point is you made the point that this model is probably the model of the future for this type of broadcasting. Yes, it is. It's direct support. If you don't like the show, you don't have to give us any money. A lot of people like the show and they don't give us any money. We assume that's always going to be in the mix. But if everything is support completely dried up,

1:17:39 uh... which it hasn't but if it did it that would be an indication that we're doing a little bit of a number two in the wrong side so we saw it there yeah and we would yet because we have to go get a job so i mean so that's the reason for direct support anyway uh... tom dairy officer tom dairy uh... from my was apparently a policeman gives a hundred eighty two bucks with the uh... with some calculation which I'm not absolutely sure means anything. But it says, as a cop patrolling at night, your show helps me to keep awake. Good. I'm very happy about that. Yes. Excellent. We need more police listening to this show. Mark, okay, here we go. A guy in Antwerp. Now, you can know this guy because you pronounce his name the same way as a famous Dutch soccer hero.

1:18:34 Does that give you a clue? Come on, you know this guy. He was in the 70s. He was huge. Kruijf. Krauff. Krauff. Or you might say in Dutch or in American, you'd say Kroif. Kroif. Kroof. But Krauth, Johan Krauth, he's a famous Krauth, was a famous soccer player. He gave him 69 bucks, he's got enough attention. He says he had another Dutch name he can't pronounce, John. So then he put something in Dutch, which obviously, what does he say there? Blijf jullie hoofde boven het mij veld uitsteken. Okay, so this is a famous Dutch proverb, which goes something like this.

1:19:20 The blades of grass that grow above the rest always get cut off. Oh yeah, yeah the Japanese think this too. So he's saying keep sticking your head up. Oh, that hurt. Yeah, but that's the problem with the Nordic and Scandinavian countries. They all have this notion. They have nothing but trouble marketing things because of that. They won't, oh, I don't want to do an advertisement because my God, I think it'll, you know, we'll get my head cut off because I'm now a blade of grass. I think it's a part of the Calvinist thing.

1:19:59 I don't know what it's a part of, but it's very secure as a cultural icon within that community, in that area. Carlos Sanchez, Chicago, Illinois, 6666. Go ahead, John. Okay, Carlos Sanchez wants to wish a happy birthday to his son. His son's first birthday, and yesterday was my wife's 32nd. Keep up the good work. He says he's yes. He's no longer a douchebag. He's been listening to the show forever There you go. His wife Anita and son Kai We actually had a lot of birthdays today a rolling but

1:20:41 Boulder is that pronounced right? Boulder? Builder. Builder. Builder? B-U-L-D-E-R is builder? Builder. Bull. Bull. Bullder. $62. Eric Neworth, Fresno, two nickels on the dime. He wants to promote his health care podcast. He does a deconstruction. It's infectedshow.com. Check it out when you get a chance. Infectedshow.com, I haven't looked at it. Kyle Kubas, Swanton, Vermont. He's donating on behalf of his brother Casey for his birthday. Oh, sorry.

1:21:38 he cut himself. Yeah, that's really good! Jeffrey Wolf, uh... He has surgery! This is not funny! He has to have surgery. Yeah, he cut himself while listening to the show, which I think was... but then he gave us the 5510 so it'd be fine. His hand was spurting blood, but he did not stop listening to the show. Well, there you have it. I think that's it in a nutshell. Jeffrey Wolf Marquette Great, Marquette, Michigan, David Burneth, Raleigh, North Carolina, one of the finest states in the country. I always have to mention that. Let's see, we also have David Hollis, Morwell, Australia with a very long message.

1:22:25 You can, uh... Well, yeah, he would, uh... This is a part of... We got a lot of 420, uh... donations. Actually, $4.20. No one... No one... I expected at least one person to do $420, which, of course, is the code for marijuana. So a lot of people did 420 and a lot of people said happy 420 and he says the world would be a better place if people smoked pot and listened to no agenda. Yeah, that's what I want on my tombstone. And you know, he has also set up a proxy at noagendapodcast.appspot.com. Oh cool. I did no agenda podcast. We'll put these two proxy servers in the no agenda. Let me do that right now. Okay.

1:23:09 okay and we appreciate people doing that by the way but i just sent with arlington virginia uh... keeps you keep up the good work he says ricky pierce uh... sydney new south wales rotten euless chelmsford ethics and we have a bunch of those are fifty dollars each and then that but i was a knighthood laya was still here john kelly and edgecombe jenny's co-manned uh... let's see brian curry and jeffrey glennon And that wraps up, that was a pretty good group of people. I do have a couple of notes here that I have to read. Yeah, for our executive producers, right? Well, you know. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yeah, we do. But let me get these other ones out of the way.

1:23:57 David Koss has a he's playing some pinball number three court game or something I don't know what the Anna Bloom Sesame Street content. Hold on a second. This is important. I have it here David Koss He donated $200 says please ask everyone to vote for my pinball number count 3d animation Which is in a Sesame Street contest. It's actually pretty cool. I looked at it. It's a teaches kids how to count and If I win the cash prize, I will immediately finish off my knighthood and the feature will be played on Sesame Street, which of course, I do hope you put a little secret in the morning in that somewhere. I didn't catch it, but that would have been really cool if that could be on Sesame Street. You can go to pinballnumbercount.com. Pinballnumbercount.com. And David, maybe you can, when they ask you for the, when you win, which you undoubtedly will now,

1:24:49 When you give them the high-res file, maybe you can slip in a little, you know, noagendershow.com or an in the morning or something into the animation and get that in the kids heads. Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. And then we have the one other message which you have I think. Yeah, I got a couple messages. Oh actually we have, oh my gosh, it's unbelievable today. So we have a couple of associate executive producers and Simon Ox-to-be

1:25:30 Am I doing this right in the right place? Yeah. He donated $240 and he wants to say happy birthday to his father who also listens to the show. Dale. Happy birthday, Dale. Yeah, Dale. I don't want to say anything disparaging but April 21st is Hitler's birthday. I don't know if that means anything to anyone. Well, that was yesterday. And that's also Carmen Electra's birthday. Does that mean...? Yeah, that tells you something. Okay, then we have Margaret George, Dame Margaret. Thanks for the relevant current info. I'm okay with Geisler. We already talked about her donation being the executive producer and then the other associate executive producers, ESC Inc., along with Simon Oxtoby and Edward B. Eidevart.

1:26:16 Edward I'll just say beer towson and then we have a black night today. Yeah, which is pretty black night, of course is a night that snuck up on us and actually we have Eric the shill is gonna reach out to a lot of people because we think we have more black nights and And he's trying to administer all this stuff, so he's gonna be figuring out if we've missed other people. So, John, why don't we unsheath here for a moment? Do you have your sword? Yeah, there it is. There it is. Okay. Scott Rodriguez, kneel before us!

1:26:55 As we now pronounce you Sir Scott Rodriguez, Knight of the Noah Jenner Round Table. Please join the table and enjoy the hookers and blow. And welcome to the knighthood my friend. Andy prowls from Ontario donated $66 just wanted to say when the Polish president's plane went down my wife called bullshit on that She actually said they took him out for that alone You got a one-time 66 66 the double the magic number and he's signing up for the $5 a month plan Which we really appreciate this is what in in some date in the future will sustain us and then the karma club got an amazing one in from

1:27:57 Sylvan, Sylvain I think, Sylvain. First he said, just did my second of my three donations. 3333 I know it's not much but as well I can do right now yesterday I went to a restaurant with my young boy on the receipt it was stated we were sitting at number table number six the receipt number was one six six six six six so I thought I should give my second donation make it 6666 who knows that number six thing may bring me luck The reason why I'm doing this, my girlfriend and I are the second couple to place an offer on our house. We'll probably know tonight if the first offer is dropped and we get the house. And lo and behold, after his second donation, we did it! They got the house! It's not a hilltop crackpot command center, but a nice 1872 story brick house by the river. And the first people dropped out after he made his wish. I think we need to collect these stories. We need a website, No Agenda Karma.

1:28:57 And uh... Someone else needs to be doing that though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Somebody will be glad to do it. And uh, no gender karma or something like that and they would be like an open posting, like a drop IO or something like that. People would just put in these stories. An excellent idea. Alright, there's probably a few notes we missed but we'll get to you next week. No, I think we did pretty good and we spent a lot of the show on the... Yeah, that's why we have to do the third show just because... Yeah, the special, the Deuce Club show will just be thanking everybody we missed. So talking about, let's see what else we didn't miss here on the clip. So we're done with talking about some of this corruption. Let's see what else we got.

1:29:43 By the way, there's another, like I said, I want to look into the future a little bit. I have one that's just a pure informational post. It's the Burma Post. Just play this and this will be something that we'll be dealing with in the future. California? For what purpose does the gentleman from California rise? I ask permission to address the House for five minutes and revise and extend my remarks. Without objection. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, I rise to draw attention to the ongoing plight of the people of Burma, now referred to as Myanmar. Shortly after the Second World War, Burma was granted its independence from Great Britain.

1:30:22 with democratic institutions in place, rich natural resources, and an educated population, it was expected that Burma would become a wealthy, stable, and free country. Sadly, that country, with so much potential, has been dominated by corrupt tyrants, and despite its vast natural wealth, its people suffer in abject poverty. Even worse, the people of Burma are actually losing their country to a foreign power. A Chinese power grab is not only depleting and stealing Burma's natural resources, but slowly and surely, Burma is being turned into a subservient province of Beijing. China... You know what we need there in Burma?

1:31:13 We need another good earthquake. Something. Yeah. Yeah. Natural resources, heroin, heroin, opium. You got a lot of resources in Burma. Anyway, Burma is being taken over and nobody cares. So, you know, the Chinese are all over the place. They're building, building, building. They're going crazy over there. That's why I tell people just to take a quick trip to Shanghai and then open your eyes. I mean, you got to see it to believe it. You have no idea. I mean, it's beyond. It's like going to Mars when you go to China for the first time. Hey, John, we got to talk about the salt thing, man.

1:31:51 You've been following this? Yeah, they're trying to regulate salt. We talked about this weeks ago. You know, I should probably do the jingle. That this was happening in New York restaurants and now the FDA received a recommendation from the IOM, which is, looks like a pretty legit organization, although I haven't really gotten into the into the nuts and bolts of it. It's the, what do you call it? What is this? Institute of medicine? I never heard of it before now.

1:32:33 They've been around for a really long time. As I said, I did look into the Institute of Medicine and I haven't really... This is one of these websites, they list their board members but they don't really have bios and I just didn't have the time frankly to figure it out. So I'm sure there's all kinds of pharma connections on it or something. So the IOM, they come out and they say, you know what? People are too stupid. You're too stupid to regulate your salt intake. So we're going to make some rules about it. And the two places where they say salt is used in abundance is in processed foods, which I would have to say arguably is true, and in restaurants, which I would have to say is probably not true.

1:33:23 Well, it depends on the restaurant. Well, of course it does. If you count McDonald's as a restaurant, yes, it's true. But if you count, you know, Florida Lee in San Francisco as a restaurant, it's not true. So here's the first thing that I question. Salt, of course, is blamed for many health issues. Has this all been proven? Is the science in on this stuff? Are we absolutely sure about all of this? Well, I have a one of my doctor friends is a salt nut and he thinks that salt is the evilest thing ever invented and it's killing everyone. Other people are questioning whether this is accurate or not. I don't know. I don't think that science is in. But obviously there's enough of this. You don't have to have the science to be totally in anymore. You just say it is. Yeah, you just say it's in. And then again, this thing pops up about PepsiCo. This thing.

1:34:20 This thing really kills me. They have modified the shape of the sodium chloride crystals. Oh yeah, right. This sounds like a bogus thing here. This is actually, this is funny because this was a story I wanted to talk about about probably almost a month ago because they came up with this There's like a big thing going on now about, which I think by the way may be behind a lot of this because if you're the one making the product with the special salt, you can slam the competition. But the potato chip makers worked on, I think Frito or one of them worked on- That's Lay's, which is owned by PepsiCo. Okay, so that's where this comes. So what they've done is instead of using... They did a bunch of studies. First of all, that when you have a potato chip,

1:35:03 It's not only the saltiness of the chip that makes you want to eat more of them, because you know, you just... You're like, ah boy, I need more. There's apparently a tongue feel for the salt crystal itself, so you know, because they powdered salt to a fine dust and then they could get the same saltiness because most of the salt you swallow in the crystalline form, you're not really tasting it. So you're just swallowing chunks of salt that aren't adding to the salt pleasure. So if they powdered it, You could get less salt on there. This is crazy, but this is the way you get less salt on the chip. Total your total sodium intake could be cut by half, but the chips was still maintain the saltiness that you want for the chips. But apparently the culturally that bite that little crunch.

1:35:46 Which and cooks and chefs who make salads and you're good home cooking you use Florida sell and some of these Crystal these big chunks of salt you put these four to sell see so see so like the way that should be you know You crunch it where's your bite and you eating this I've got crunch crunch and that gas a certain kind of pleasure You can't fully define so anyway, so they so I think what they're trying to do is develop sort of a hollow salt crystal that still has a crunch, but there's no salt there and as a process to make, you know, to get your sodium intake down. You know, I'm just waiting for it. Where is the aspartame version of salt? That's got to be on the horizon. There's no doubt about it. So far, no one has done it, right? I don't think it's doable. I think that's why. I think all you can do is screw around with the salt crystal.

1:36:31 uh... in with some of these processes and may and you know get it so the a space the actual salt crystal has half as much so it because it's a half air is it's bubbled or it's foamed up some i don't know all i know is that this is like uh... this all part of the process food industry i think it was a for these guys uh... potato chip makers mainly salt in the crap out of their stuff i think this would be an issue but should we be a mountain out of a moral hill Shouldn't we be educating people more about food in general? instead of... Oh, no, shut up slave. We're gonna change your salt crystals. There's been a lot of stories I noticed though that Jamie Oliver has been over here because he's finally got... they were just tired of him in England. Yeah. So he's come over here to fix our school lunch program. Well, Christina said, of course she lives in London, she said that that Jamie Oliver crap in her perception is working. I think it is to some extent but I think there's a lot of

1:37:34 I think that the Gordon Ramsey shows where he's showing people what you should expect from a restaurant, I think educates the public. I think it does. I think people are more aware of what's good and what's bad and how a restaurant should be on the menu and where you should avoid eating. And I think Jamie Oliver is also doing a public service with this. But it's still entertainment. And there was a story that came up recently. I can't remember what it was, but it had some... I was watching it and I said, this is just a promotion for the... It was a news story, but it was about school lunches or something. I think this is a promotion for this TV show. Of course it is. You know what's also working extremely well, John?

1:36:31 uh... in with some of these processes and may and you know get it so the a space the actual salt crystal has half as much so it because it's a half air is it's bubbled or it's foamed up some i don't know all i know is that this is like uh... this all part of the process food industry i think it was a for these guys uh... potato chip makers mainly salt in the crap out of their stuff i think this would be an issue but should we be a mountain out of a moral hill Shouldn't we be educating people more about food in general? instead of... Oh, no, shut up slave. We're gonna change your salt crystals. There's been a lot of stories I noticed though that Jamie Oliver has been over here because he's finally got... they were just tired of him in England. Yeah. So he's come over here to fix our school lunch program. Well, Christina said, of course she lives in London, she said that that Jamie Oliver crap in her perception is working. I think it is to some extent but I think there's a lot of

1:37:34 I think that the Gordon Ramsey shows where he's showing people what you should expect from a restaurant, I think educates the public. I think it does. I think people are more aware of what's good and what's bad and how a restaurant should be on the menu and where you should avoid eating. And I think Jamie Oliver is also doing a public service with this. But it's still entertainment. And there was a story that came up recently. I can't remember what it was, but it had some... I was watching it and I said, this is just a promotion for the... It was a news story, but it was about school lunches or something. I think this is a promotion for this TV show. Of course it is. You know what's also working extremely well, John?

1:38:19 Is the avatar the movie mind control that of course was slipped into your 3d glasses When you were watching it, it's working doing what? Oh, it's mind controlling you about global warming about the oceans acidifying this all being because of carbon emissions and that we need cap-and-trade in fact this morning on CNN AM. See, they knew that we had a... In the morning! ...trademark so they couldn't do CNN in the morning, they had to do CNN AM. Sigourney Weaver is in Washington today and she will be helping to push through the cap-and-trade bill and its new name. Oh, I didn't know she was an environmental expert. Oh, John! I thought she was an actress. Oh no, John, wait until you hear how much she knows. She, oh, John, oh my... Tell me tonight

1:39:19 The science is in! Science! She was just in the highest grossing movie of all time, trying to preserve the moon Pandora. Now actress Sigourney Weaver is trying to help save planet Earth. Yay! When acidity gets too high, shells dissolve. Today we're in a really remarkable history of the ocean. This is a documentary which she worked on, in other words, she did the voiceover. She's the Rachel Maddow of this documentary. It was inexhaustible. And by the way, happy Earth Day, John. That's what this is all about. This is all so coincidental. It's Earth Day and we have the cap-and-trade discussions going on in Washington and there's more coincidences that you will just not believe.

1:40:07 You couldn't touch it, you couldn't harm it. In a hundred years, it might be dead. Tell us, first of all, for folks at home who might not have heard of this, this is called the other CO2 problem. What is ocean acidification? Oh John, it's the other CO2 problem. Oh! You're gonna love it. Hold on. Right. Well, you know, America loves its oceans. We love our ocean sports and fish and sea life and a large part of our economy comes from oceans. And one of the things that scientists have realized as we've increasingly used... I thought a large part of our economy came from making war stuff.

1:40:47 I guess it's from oceans, huh? We should bomb the ocean. Fossil fuels is that the impact on the oceans, which we didn't know about, is that the carbon dioxide mixing with seawater forms carbonic acid. So the ocean is 30% more acidic than it was at the start of the Industrial Revolution. Oh, really? Where's the data? See, she's a scientist now, John. Oh wow, it gets better. sea life, you know, the whole chain of life that makes shells will be unable to make those shells. It'll be... We can't make shells! We can't make shells! The sea life can't make shells! This is bad! I can't collect shells on the beach! ...30% even more acidic than it is... Hey, by the way, stop. The kind of acidity it would take to dissolve a shell like a clam shell, if you

1:41:55 If you step foot in the ocean, your foot would just dissolve. I mean, give me a break. John, she has empirical proof of not just clam shells. Oh no, much more elitist than that. In the clip we saw, and this is from the documentary that you narrated called Acid Test, we saw shells dissolving in ocean conditions expected 90 years from now, about 90 years time. The shells are dissolving, John. It's in the documentary. It must be true. Who relies on the livelihood of the oceans? Well, let's listen to this. I mean for all those reasons, scientists and citizens are very concerned. We're already seeing the impact. We don't need to wait 90 years. For instance, the wild oysters off the coast of the northwest of America haven't been able to reproduce in the wild for the last five years. John! The wild oysters can't reproduce!

1:40:47 I guess it's from oceans, huh? We should bomb the ocean. Fossil fuels is that the impact on the oceans, which we didn't know about, is that the carbon dioxide mixing with seawater forms carbonic acid. So the ocean is 30% more acidic than it was at the start of the Industrial Revolution. Oh, really? Where's the data? See, she's a scientist now, John. Oh wow, it gets better. sea life, you know, the whole chain of life that makes shells will be unable to make those shells. It'll be... We can't make shells! We can't make shells! The sea life can't make shells! This is bad! I can't collect shells on the beach! ...30% even more acidic than it is... Hey, by the way, stop. The kind of acidity it would take to dissolve a shell like a clam shell, if you

1:41:55 If you step foot in the ocean, your foot would just dissolve. I mean, give me a break. John, she has empirical proof of not just clam shells. Oh no, much more elitist than that. In the clip we saw, and this is from the documentary that you narrated called Acid Test, we saw shells dissolving in ocean conditions expected 90 years from now, about 90 years time. The shells are dissolving, John. It's in the documentary. It must be true. Who relies on the livelihood of the oceans? Well, let's listen to this. I mean for all those reasons, scientists and citizens are very concerned. We're already seeing the impact. We don't need to wait 90 years. For instance, the wild oysters off the coast of the northwest of America haven't been able to reproduce in the wild for the last five years. John! The wild oysters can't reproduce!

1:43:04 That's up near you. I thought you guys ate oysters all the time. I do actually. You're depleting the supply. They can't reproduce. Scientists are pretty sure it's because... They're pretty sure. They're pretty sure. They're pretty sure. Because of the carbonic acid, the acidification of that area. They're already seeing that plankton in Antarctica is, their shells are 30% less strong. Listen, now she's really going way outside. What's she got to do with plankton? It's plankton, it's important. She makes it sound like it's a shellfish. Yeah, but this is great because now she's going really... So she did the voiceover for this documentary and you know, she read the script and many times as she was reading it and she remembers this stuff, right? She's repeating stuff from the documentary.

1:43:50 But now she's starting to go a little wild. You can hear her stumbling all over the place. And when these creatures can't make their shells, they're putting all their energy into making shells instead of reproducing. So it will have a huge impact on the whole food chain and certainly it will have a huge impact on all the economies that depend on the ocean for fisheries and tourism and everything else. Certainly for our whole heritage as Americans, we really, you know, we come from seafaring stock, a lot of people and... What? We come from seafaring stock?

1:44:26 A lot of people. And we really depend upon the oceans for quality of life. I'm a cowboy man, I don't know nothing about no ocean. So let me get this straight, so the poor oysters can't make a shell thick enough. Yeah, they can't make shells. So and this is like I guess when people are you know they have bone, they put their energy into bone making, they can't have sex. They're too busy building the house. I know where this logic comes from. It comes from the fact that occasionally if you grow fruit trees, occasionally the tree will decide to put out more foliage than fruit or because there wasn't enough pollination or sometimes it'll do more fruit one year when it didn't do a very good job the year before and you get this kind of cycle with plants.

1:45:14 I'm not seeing how the how the oyster can decide to make more put its energy Into making shell more shells or won't so it can't reproduce at all is baffling well John because you're not a scientist the science is in And remember the coincidence that it is Earth Day Sigourney Weaver is in Washington testifying on behalf of the bill that this Congress really wants to push through which is the new version of cap and trade. They're not calling it, they're calling it the Sigourney Weaver bill I think. I'll tell you the mistake that they made here. They should have brought her up to 20 years ago when she was kind of cute.

1:45:53 because then these congress guys will go for any hottie that's there. Stand by. We come from seafaring stock a lot of people and we really depend upon the oceans for quality of life. Right. You know we should mention too Sigourney that the film Avatar which had a very heavy environmental message is coming out on DVD today. Coincidence? I think not! Did Cameron get funded by the government for this? I mean, this is amazing. He was involved in some shady dealings with the guy who founded Titanic.

1:46:33 and became friends with Cameron the Titanic guy who was working for the CIA under, you know... Well, hold on. This just gets better. It's another minute. It just gets better. There were some people who were critical of it thinking that it was too much of an environmental lecture and at the same time as we talk about all of this on this Earth Day, it's interesting to note that more and more people are becoming skeptical of this whole idea of global warming and its effects. Do you have any idea why that's happening? You know, I think it's probably fear and denial. it's true. What I found traveling around the world for Avatar is that everyone around the world is actually aware that our earth is changing and that we do need to enact legislation to curb the emission of, you know, the use of fossil fuels and it's time really to encourage our Congress to put aside their differences and enact legislation to create a strong green energy economy

1:47:45 um... you know if if the science to me is is very sure and uh... there's only a few minutes what no way she's almost a percent chance that all these things were will come true i think we need to act with the way okay the sciences in but there's a Listen to this. We and even if there's only you know a 50% chance that all these things were will come true I think we need to act now make up your mind lady 50% chance Okay, how does that jive with the sciences in? doesn't mean they've done in the oceans which have seemed for years to be endlessly forgiving of whatever we do to them and

1:48:29 It's having a huge impact on the ocean and we're going to see it increasingly and it's going to have an even bigger impact on our estuaries where the freshwater meets the seawater. The acidification will have an even stronger impact there on those fisheries and those economies. You know, you can sit around arguing a little bit about whether all this is true, but frankly, you know, I've been reading the science for quite a while now and I'm completely convinced... The science is in! She's been reading the science! The thing that you're overlooking here is the fact that she would say even if it's only a 50% chance

1:49:05 shows that doubt has crept into her mind. So the nihilists have actually made enough headway to get people even like her, who's obviously kind of an idiot, question some of this stuff enough so that she would say something like that. Okay, that's enough of that. Let's get, you know, we gotta get the show over with and let me, I think I got a couple of items I want to get out of the way. One, because I know it's gonna drive you crazy. Oh, please tell me you have another Rachel Manno clip. I do, but I'm not gonna play that one. Okay. Uh, I want to, first of all, I want to do real news. Oh, well. And get all the real news out of the way. And now, back to real news.

1:48:29 It's having a huge impact on the ocean and we're going to see it increasingly and it's going to have an even bigger impact on our estuaries where the freshwater meets the seawater. The acidification will have an even stronger impact there on those fisheries and those economies. You know, you can sit around arguing a little bit about whether all this is true, but frankly, you know, I've been reading the science for quite a while now and I'm completely convinced... The science is in! She's been reading the science! The thing that you're overlooking here is the fact that she would say even if it's only a 50% chance

1:49:05 shows that doubt has crept into her mind. So the nihilists have actually made enough headway to get people even like her, who's obviously kind of an idiot, question some of this stuff enough so that she would say something like that. Okay, that's enough of that. Let's get, you know, we gotta get the show over with and let me, I think I got a couple of items I want to get out of the way. One, because I know it's gonna drive you crazy. Oh, please tell me you have another Rachel Manno clip. I do, but I'm not gonna play that one. Okay. Uh, I want to, first of all, I want to do real news. Oh, well. And get all the real news out of the way. And now, back to real news.

1:49:52 Uh, the real news is that, you know, we listen to these teasers that carry all these shows, these entertainment shows, and we've never given a tribute out to the first entertainment news show and still the biggest, E.T., which does not have the greatest teasers, but their teaser does tell you the entire show in one long tease, and let's just play that and it will be done with this type of real news. Sean King's lover, the exclusive tell-all. Did you have an affair with Larry King's wife? Yes I did. Did Larry King's wife cheat with this man? We kind of locked eyes and we just started kissing. The baseball coach on the record. Did Sean ever talk to you about divorcing Larry? All the time. Don't worry, he's gonna die soon. The scathing expose on a Hollywood marriage in his only TV interview. Did you have sex in Larry King's house? Yes I did. Did you have sex in Larry King's bed?

1:50:48 And took Kate Gosling in tears Her backstage confessions you didn't get to see I had a lot of real real fears you turned it into a knife Does she regret going on dancing and could she become TV's next bachelorette? The latest news are Sandra and Jesse talking in secret to save their marriage. Plus, Heather Locklear arrested for a hit and run. Then tonight on the tube, a then pregnant star gives birth in prime time. An all-new Robin Hood exclusive Russell Crowe, Cate Blanchett. We were first on the set now our epic new behind the scenes. It's a gigantic story.

1:51:35 I think we should start the show off with this John every single a show we should start with it Here's here's here kind of how I envision it the idea is something like this morning. Sean King's lover, the exclusive tell-all. This is Entertainment Tonight. We kind of locked eyes and we started kissing. So, by the way, Robin Hood movies coming out, they're promoting it a lot. I have a quick review. Gladiator in the Woods. Okay? Okay, good. Baseball coach, this baseball coach supposedly had this affair with Larry King's wife. He's a little league baseball coach. They kind of leave that out. By the way, lots of puns you can do with that.

1:52:36 Yeah, all right. Can we get out of now? Can we get out of real news? Can we get out of it? Yeah, that's the end of it. I want to do that. I don't want to talk about Larry King's wife. Oh, no, neither do I. It's disgusting. Now, here's the deal. The big story, the big real news story, semi-real news, actually nothing to see here moment is the South Park episode. Oh yes. Where they displayed, apparently they did this before and they never had a problem. But now everyone's up in arms about the fact that some Muslims have threatened the South Park people. and because they depicted Muhammad as a teddy bear or dressed in a teddy bear costume which a lot of people noticed if you really want to get the subtext was actually... The pedo bear! The pedo bear! It was! It was the pedo bear! Yeah, it was. Totally true. So that was a big stink. So...

1:53:30 And this is gonna, this one is gonna drive you crazy. Now you've worked on network and you've been in network situations, even a small network like MSNBC, we're gonna talk about the Joy Behar show here. You have an IFB in your ear, right? Yep. Usually somebody's in the control room telling you what to do. You have a producer, you have directors, you have writers, they're all in the control room, many of them, and they're telling you stuff. And in this case, she's got three people on the set and Joy Behar says something that will make you crazy and nobody on the entire crew set anywhere corrects her or says anything about it, it just goes. SPJB? You got it. That's tricky. You've done this town a huge favor, Muhammad. Hold on a second! Stop! There are some extremists threatening that if we give Muhammad to the celebrities, they're gonna bomb us.

1:54:20 Now, okay, the Muslim website says, quote, we have to warn Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the creators, that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably end up, listen to this, like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show. Theo Van Gogh, really. Is this a warning or a threat? Theo Van Gogh is the cartoonist in Amsterdam, I believe, who was basically assassinated for doing a cartoon. Against Muhammad. I mean, I would take it as a threat because of the fact that Theo is now dead. I understand, you know, how people could be upset over this, but it's- Is that unbelievable? And nobody, the three doofuses that were sitting there with her, none of them knew anything. He's a cartoonist. And the control room, nobody knew anything. So Theo Van Gogh is now to the beholders of this wonderful show. A cartoonist. A cartoonist who was assassinated for depicting Muhammad. Oh my God.

1:55:22 You've okay you you win you win this you win on this show. I know I believe that is the winner. Oh my goodness well You please go to even Wikipedia has it better than this and look up tail fun go who I can say I worked with him and in his very last few months we actually has a pretty good contact he came over to the house one day and he said What the fuck are you doing in this country? You're American. Go back to America. It's safe there. Oh my god, and then he went back to drawing a caricature of me. This is unbelievable. Well I watched the South Park episode last night and it sucked. It totally sucked. It beeped everything. It just sucked. It wasn't funny. It sucked. It sucked. And I'm thinking this was probably more South Park promotion than anything. In fact, I'll keep looking. Where's this radical Muslim website? No story links to it.

1:56:21 Where is it? I'm looking for the blog post. I have actually. Oh you did? I couldn't find it. It was buried with the hits and so you had to go to the cache to look at it. It's just lame. It's just some doofus that's in somewhere. I forget, Becky's somewhere and he's a... They interviewed him on CNN and the guys... Well it was about time for that to happen wasn't it? Man. I'm sorry. Hold on a second. I got stuff going on here. Phone's ringing.

1:56:59 That doesn't happen often on my end. Okay. You know what, John? You have thoroughly freaked me out with that. I have no rebuttal. I have nothing. And don't forget we forgot to mention but when we mentioned all our donors it was noagenda show.com noagendashow.com, dvorak.org slash NA and dvorak.org slash NAS and channel dvorak.com slash NA for contributions to the show and support. We appreciate it. We do it specifically for the listeners and they support us and we support them. Yes indeed, and I think today was a pretty fine example of the type of programming you get from us. Sometimes we suck, and you know what? It shows up in the support. That show sucked, I'm not giving those guys anything. We actually don't suck as much as we could. Yeah, we could, when it comes to sucking, we could suck a lot more. Yeah.

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