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00:00 By the way, I would love to be that complicated. The Eagle has landed and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in FEMA Region number 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where we have less than an hour to predict the winner of the World Cup. I'm John C. Dvorak. So you're not taking any of the geopolitical stuff into account? Well, you mean Spain? Well we have a few... Trump personally has a feud going with Spain. Yeah that's why they can't win! They can't have them win in America?! No no well that's the question We're gonna rig- They are the better team! We're gonna rig the video assisted referee, we gotta screw those guys! Of course they can't win

01:15 And Messi, you know he needs it. He needs this moment What does he need it for? He's big stuff about money and still gonna be playing in Florida I think that if Argentina is the winner too because It will help promote...I think they're real ideas to who cares There you go, now your time. We've got to promote this dumb sport in the United States so everybody gets on board with this World Cup deal and Messi plays in the United States for the most part. Well also Peter Thiel has moved to Argentina. Argentina's hot now! No one is talking about Argentina.

01:58 He's gone to Argentina because we all know the United States is about to collapse and he's in the know, because as you know Peter Thiel knows all. He is the Palantir man, he's a PayPal man, he's a spyman, he's an evil man, he's anti-Christ man... Peter Thiel! With his kids, who didn't even know he had kids. Well they have good food in Argentina I'm told that not been to Argentina. I've not been either but everyone who goes there says it's It's very, uh... European. Speaking of kids I have a granddaughter. Ah! That is what Mimi says makes you- What's going on? I texted you on both numbers yesterday. I didn't get a text. Okay

02:51 I texted you on both numbers because i figured you might still be able to get it into the newsletter for a donation. It's my first newsletter, it's the de-donation for the next newsletter that's my first thought how can we take advantage of this kid? Well yeah what else do we got to do? We're getting very poor support basically historically but this is across the board Horowitz sent me a note wanting to make sure we plug DH Unplugged, which is our Tuesday evening show. Donations are down? No viewership has gone... listenership has gone down. Well what is the common denominator between those two shows I wonder? Between our show and Horowitz's show? Me! I'm the common denominator

03:48 So anyway, this morning at 10.08 Rotterdam time AM Oh so it was this morning? Yes it was this morning but she went into labor yesterday So what time would you have sent me the text? Well she...she was in labor for almost 24 hours so as soon as she went into...as soon as she was honestly As soon as she said Dad I'm one centimeter dilated! I was texting you with the joyous news and I think I literally told you that I don't understand how you did not get that on your phone and on your Gmail text. Well, we gotta look at... I'll look! And so baby Cleo was born 10-08 AM... Cleo? Yes, Cleo Is she gonna do readings? Readings?! Yeah everyone out there knows what i'm talking about Uh..I don't

04:42 Yeah, there was this black woman on TV who used to do psychic readings and her name was Cleo. No that was Dionne Warwick! No no this is another one... This is the original before Dionne Warwick came up with it The first question you're supposed to ask is not if she's gonna do readings What is the first question everyone, women in particular? Is it a boy or girl? After that there's always the first question. How much did it weigh? Yes exactly six pounds and seven ounces I'm glad you asked Adam Curry no newsletter received That's your last message from you I also sent you that one because I didn't get a newsletter I've been getting the newsletter on show day mornings

05:33 Which is really odd. That's the resend Okay, but now hold on a second let me see Yeah this is only message I got from you. I got Adam Curry no newsletter received then they got up a Message from there was an earthquake like then they have auto refill and then I have Auto refill of what? What what is being auto refilled My phone. You literally have a credit on credits, you're not even on the plan? Yeah I love you! I love you for that yeah let me see what it sends... I'm positive that i sent you here oh I'm gonna read your mail no no no you know what you know what and I think you're right did I email it to you huh yeah I didn't know you write

06:27 Well, I stand in the... You're standing corrected. Or you sit corrected depending on where you are. Unless I emailed it to you? That makes no sense! Anyway so i did not sleep much because we knew that they went to the hospital around 1am their time And the way it works is, you know especially with international and a couple other people involved. You know you get like a text from Christina, I'm three centimeters dilated! Then you get it from Kevin she's three centimeters down then you get it from Christina's manager she's three centimeters up so bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop and that went on all night So every now

07:08 What do you need that kind of update for? Well, it's nice to know because it was taking a long time. It's my baby girl! You know she is suffering through childbirth I wanted to know...I couldn't be there obviously Yeah well your different than I am this is uh.. I want to know that stuff Okay yeah so There are a couple of places we could go from here. You could say, well congratulations that's great. I'm happy for Christina and Kevin. All of that so we will be booking a trip pretty soon to go back once...I figure we should probably wait a week or two maybe?

07:59 I would think. Because you know they're gonna be tired and everyone wants to see the baby, and then by the time everyone disappears because that always happens. You ever notice that when you have kids? Like after about two weeks no one's interested anymore? They don't show up and not cooking your meals and it's all over. No, never noticed that? Yeah Okay, I'm looking at the two these messages. You got me looking on my message is that I'm afraid I didn't send I must have been an email you didn't you did I guarantee you didn't send it isn't to you The newsletter was the last one and there's a bunch of previous ones that are just miscellany Miscellaney miscellaney well, I apologize I was so sure that

08:43 And I just sent that to you and i don't even see it in email so maybe I was just full of crap. You were, no you were hallucinating! Yeah, I'm worse than an LLM Because Mimi's always saying what...I always said do I said she's a baby? Baby? Baby? Adam will say he'll let me know yeah and then you never did Instead I'm like No newsletter! Okay here's probably what happened Tina said, you gotta let... because Tina's in on this too. You got to let John know see if he sent the newsletter yet and so I don't see the newsletter. I'm thinking, ah! I don't see the newsletter wait a minute it's kind of late for new news no newsletter and that completely forgot to tell you that she can't this is so odd anyway Anyway sorry about that. You're losing it. I am I screwed up an awesome opportunity Anyway um I did have opportunity do some work as a public service

09:40 I'm sure we all saw the president's speech unless you were watching ABC NBC or CNN Didn't who didn't air it. Well, they made a big fuss about not airing it. You got actually CNN They're very arrogant about it. Do you any clips about that by any chance? He's a liar. I thought I did but now I remember seeing the clip and I don't know if I See in NC and now I didn't clip it But I can summarize. Well, I have the president's anger about it here In a rare move NBC and ABC fake news have both said that they would not cover this speech They knew what it was about because of the fact that they don't like the topic because they know how corrupt our system is And they don't want to reveal it They and others in the media are part of a plot They want to continue this fraud for whatever reason they wanna keep it going

10:33 They want to protect the radical left. They can't have a great country, and that's true you can't have a great country without free and fair elections Fraud like this should mean a revocation of their licenses. They use our public multi-billion dollar in value airways for absolutely no money, they pay nothing. Nothing! All we want is honesty in our elections and honesty and reporting Is that true? When you have a license you don't have to pay for it You just have to apply and the... It's granted? You do not have to pay any money I'm not sure what the process is because they do have auctions and auctions implies money. Well, the auctions are usually for spectrum for you know 5G 6g all that stuff but i wonder because then maybe we should toss our hat into the ring give us some ABC network airtime well they're not going to take any licenses away from anybody

11:32 But these networks were chicken shit not to run the thing. And especially the excuse they made, which is well he lies a lot! But they'll play other stuff. For some reason, this particular speech which I think they had an advanced copy of because they tend to do that and they didn't like what it would have had to say or the CIA perhaps just told those two networks not to go with it even though their network CBS played it maybe that was the idea too is to get CBS all eyeballs It was a good speech. It was very interesting I was shocked when he all of a sudden came out with China, I mean here's what? Here's what I had hoped would happen Like he says okay We figured out who did it and then they cut to a split-screen arresting Brennan you know like they did with What's his face with Roger Stone You know get revolving like he got cop cars in the driveway That's what I hoped would happen at 6 in the morning Yeah

12:35 I was like, what? China. Really? Didn't that surprise you? Well, I'll tell you what really got to me on this whole thing... Yeah it did surprise me but when I and he didn't get the newsletter so he didn't get to read the little note there about what is going on with what bothers me the most. The journalists yeah The journalist, he basically said there's a number of... I mean this has been known forever that there's a number of journalists that get paid by the CIA to write. Hey Mockingbird is still alive and well Yeah placement it's for placement we need this publicity and they have the technique of sending something overseas and then picking it up here

13:25 that which is a Roundabout way of getting stuff printed, but I but to say that the Chinese Communist Party was paying for coverage and paying our Journalists who may be double-dipping for all. I know yeah I'd like to know who these people are he said there's a bunch of them hmm a bunch of journalists are getting paid by China and to write Chinese propaganda in our mainstream media. Who are they? So what I did, because I was refreshing the page as he was going along like okay you got docs you got documents you've got proof it's there come on and when I was refreshing refreshing this... Wait before you go on one more thing that one of the guys at CNN says we're not gonna tell you about this speech until we look at these documents to see if they're legit

14:17 Well, I looked at all the... And then vet them. We're gonna vet the documents that unclassified CIA documents So what a bunch of boneheads. The documents that he referred to they released that in a zip file And I thought it would be a fun exercise to, because each of his little statements is about 20 seconds or 30 seconds. To look at the claim and then look at the document so i've done that as a public service what we expected yes So here's claim number one first they show that over a period of years starting during the 2020 election cycle The People's Republic of China carried out what is believed to be the largest compromise of election data in history resulting in China's illicit acquisition of 220 million US voter files, okay So and I have all of this in the show notes with the link to the document

15:15 The primary document that he's referring to here says the voter data was, quote, publicly available for download from commercial websites. It says it in the document! There is a 2023 record that says the PRC, the People's Republic of China had previously purchased it And then on the 220 million in the document is 204,822,241 records in 2016. In a PRC catalog of quote likely leaked compromised data spanning 2009-2018 which lists ordinary breach dumps so this whole

16:01 you know, hack or whatever. You know whatever he's implying here in the document itself it just says that well no they probably bought that so then we go to the next one raw intelligence obtained by the FBI in 2020 yet buried by rogue bureaucrats stated that China's activities even included an attempt to manufacture illegal ballots for Joe Biden So This FBI report is literally marked not finally evaluated, came from a walk-in source. Was recalled by the FBI the same day for reinterview of the source and... The internal discussion that's in you know how these documents are like very kind of sparse at times they had like these

17:00 Chinese licenses that were teens dodging alcohol laws the whole thing was like it had nothing to do with what he said so I'm not quite sure exactly what he meant there now we get the The analysts here one email among intelligence analysts admitted that they had quote a deliberately massaged the presidential daily briefing to withhold information regarding Chinese activities related to the election. So this is kind of true, but a bit overstated The email says we massage this to avoid any direct links to the election inside a thread about downgrading and chopping the report's classification

17:43 And then the author of this document says, I'm not sure what to make of this. So it's kind of true, I guess but a little... I think that is true Yeah that sounds like it but you know He states it nicely on the next one. The third set of documents we are releasing proves that for many years Americans were blatantly lied to about the security of our election infrastructure including electronic voting machines and ballot counting systems dishonest almost all they're vulnerable, and they're easily compromised

18:25 And people within our government knew that. So what the document says, the machines would be and this is from the NIC would be difficult to manipulate on a wide enough scale to alter the election outcome. Audits and paper trails would likely uncover such an effort capability to compromise easily compromised was difficult at scale but that doesn't mean that it's obviously can be done and we've seen enough Of the service is like old news. Yeah, it's not really new but this this is what he was saying So let's just go through the next one We're almost there today we are releasing documents that show the CIA obtained reporting of a specific plot to Do a big number in favor of the corrupt Maduro regime In Venezuela and that's exactly what happened conspiring to

19:19 digitally rigged their own country's elections in 2020 and that is what they did. Okay, so the document actually says large-scale fraud did not occur in Venezuela So I'm not sure how he gets that And again these are just the documents he's referring to Then the Michigan stuff Among the disclosures tonight are FBI files detailing evidence of alleged fraud by a large scale voter registration operation in Michigan In 2020, Michigan State Police raided a Democrat get out the vote organization corrupt group in Muskegon and were so concerned by what they found. They were just so concerned they couldn't believe it actually that they contacted the FBI in Detroit The documents state that some canvassers admitted to FBI agents that they signed voter registration forms and other people's names

20:14 submitted fraudulent registration for people who did not exist and received gift cards tied to their number of applications that they produced. In other words, it was pay play and cheat The FBI agents working on the case believe that crimes were committed, yet the Biden Department of Justice slow walked the investigation and killed it. Pretty much true and I think this is why he was ramping up to the end of his speech here Of course you know when you have canvassers registering people who don't exist or just are filling in names themselves and doing that for pay And this of course is for

20:58 the mail-in ballot fraud. That's really what I think Trump was shooting at here and this next one is DHS is fined. According to the DHS review, state voter rolls and public records They identified approximately 278,000 non-citizens who are registered to vote in federal elections. Yep 250 for state review they had 28,000 across 25 states they took a sample data 10 716 brings true to me. Next one, taking swift action to ensure that sensitive voter data is better protected so we can never be bought We can never be hacked and we can never watch a stolen election again And this is really what he's winding up too It's about one thing and one thing only and that's the SAVE Act So you would have no mail-in ballots except for

22:01 illness, disability, military deployment or travel. If you're going away on business or vacation these reforms are urgently needed to stop the vulnerabilities that I've mentioned To all Americans, I ask you to pick up your phone tomorrow. Call your representatives in the House and Senate and demand that they pass the Save America Act without delay." Yeah that was his whole message! All that other stuff is like okay fine...I think it distracted from the message of You know, we've got dirty pipes here. Our plumbing's no good let's flush all this out and it's Republicans too This is this mail-in ballot stuff has been a bonanza I think for years

22:50 So that and the machines. Yeah, yeah the machines I think the machines are going to be removed. They're pretty cool to use like... Cool to use? They are when you go in and you see it's the way they set it up is really nice feels really untrustworthy when you feed that thing in as like thank you goodbye what well that's the part where yeah that's at the end Where's my receipt? You don't get a receipt! Here's your sticker. I voted good to go I just think it's easier, and you've said this several times. Just sending, you know all of these like eight states like Colorado California Utah Washington Oregon Hawaii they just send everybody a ballot and this is no check. And you get a bunch of... Mimi's still getting ballots from her mother who passed away over 15 years ago Does she fill them out and send them back? No Well but this is my point Now with the new law that I don't have a clip about this but

23:53 I guess Newsom pushed through a law that says you don't have to verify signatures anymore. No, why would we do that? Then the gambit is over! So that's really the true fraud, I think is the mail-in ballots and if you think back to how this really got started it was COVID which makes you think yeah okay COVID was a good one. Oh no, mail in ballot fraud began way before COVID. COVID just made it worse. Well yeah Yeah, well they made it worse because everybody wanted Trump out including a whole bunch of Republicans. COVID was great for that and Georgia's in the mix there are all kinds of states in the mix here but his call to action is weak and also the mechanism as we call your representative I bet if I walk down the street I ask 10 people who's your representative they go huh? Do people even know anymore are people even engaged

24:52 No, no they haven't but it's always been the like call. I can't call have anxiety. I can't make a phone call I got attacks that I gotta send to DM. I'm a millennial. I'm a gen Zedd. I can't call somebody I'm afraid of calling so but That would fix a lot. It would fix a lot to pass the SAVE Act because that's exactly what it is, is about verification of identification on both sides and as an aside I don't think it can be a driver's license according to the SAVE Act. It has to be a passport or birth certificate which is kind of interesting

25:32 Or maybe a real ID. It's not my understanding No, I read it It can be a real ID so if you have a driver's license that is RealID then you can use that but i don't think You could use your Medicaid or Medicare card What would you use your Medicare card? Use your drivers license or your ID? I'm just saying Just saying...it has to be a REAL ID So that could be a drivers license It says that in there? Yes REAL ID Of course! Why do you think they pushed it so hard Of course it's a real ID. So then the networks went all gobbledygook and the first guy to come out was our favorite Muslim, John Brennan! And he was on MS Now which is the only... Is that the only station they'll have him or does they have a deal with them? I think he's got it. I think he's working for him literally But he but he's not getting much of a word out except through our podcast because who's watching that? Is anyone still watching MS now

26:32 It's not doing well. People still watch Rachel. Okay, yeah I'm sure they do is she even on? Is she on regularly or... Once a week on Mondays. Oh okay well here's Brennan Let's start with the president's claim that the intelligence community kept information from him what do you make of that Well, as you pointed out Alicia this was an intelligence community in his first administration. So there were his political appointees at the helm of the various agencies including the Office of Director of National Intelligence and CIA so he's making these claims that things were kept from him but aside from that anybody who is anticipating any new facts that might come out last night I think we're sorely disappointed

27:13 Because over the past 30 years or so, as new technologies have been brought to bear in terms of our electoral system. I think professionals at the state level... That is kind of old school speak isn't it? Brought to bear! My granddaughter was brought to bare today. ...came out last night and we're sorely disappointed Because over the past 30 years or so, as new technologies have been brought to bear in terms of our electoral system. I think the professionals at the state level and also at the federal level have done a really good job of addressing these potential vulnerabilities. So nothing new came out from his remarks last night but i think he's using this as a way... He is breathing hard. What was that? He's breathing hard and talking fast

27:57 Yeah, he seems a little... his anxiety level seems to be a bit high. So I think he's mixing up a lot of things. But then also, as you pointed out the documents that were released, I think it was very sloppy and all those documents undermined his case including some that pointed out that Russia was interfering in that election and trying to hurt Joe Biden help Donald Trump. So again, I think he is just grasping for straws as a way to make a cable line here.

28:41 What's he talking about hurt Joe Biden and help Donald Trump? He's talking about the Hillary election. That's what the Russians were. Yes, you get this stuff mixed up is he getting his script screwed up? Yes He is and here he is in this second clip Can I ask you we often talk about sort of the opportunity cost of his lack of focus lack of direction if he and his administration are hyper focused on China Is it possible that they are then not focusing on other foreign actors or like Russia, that in actually—in their hyperfocus that they are taking their eye off the actual threat.

29:17 And this is where it really comes down to the intelligence professionals and law enforcement professionals to continue to do their job, to make sure that they're looking at all potential opportunities for foreign actors again. As well as domestic actors to try to do something so yes he continues to highlight China in fact he claimed including in the briefing that I gave him back in 2017 that you know it wasn't Russia that was trying to influence the outcome of election maybe was China, China, China What is he saying here? Is he saying that he told them it was China, China, China. No, he was saying that Brennan was giving him a false Russia brandaz trying to influence the election. Of course this 2017 elections over but okay. Yeah exactly and

30:10 Then he mocked Trump because, no, because Trump to... Back then Trump thought it was China. China, China, China, China. Now I don't believe that to be true. I don't either! Well let's hear it. No, he is just making it up this guy's just making it up Let's listen to China's response You know the president speech last night took some pretty wide swings at China and today Chinese leaders react CBS News foreign correspondent Anna Corrin has reaction from Beijing China has responded forcefully to President Trump's allegations that Beijing interfered in the 2020 elections. In the Ministry of Foreign Affairs press briefing in Beijing, the spokesman described these claims as pure fabrication and malicious smears which have long been proven as baseless

30:55 During President Trump's prime time address, he stated that Beijing had carried out the quote largest compromise of election data in history. Illicitly collecting 220 million voter files including names addresses and other data over a period of years We do not know where the president got those numbers from and we should point out to our viewers report intelligence found no evidence of Chinese no evidence in the 2020 election It's been known for years that China has tried to collect voter data which is readily available on the internet. The data would reveal insights about American voters but not allow for votes to be manipulated." So, the China thing really bothers me because on one hand he was just in Beijing oh we're gonna be partners everything's hunky-dory and I didn't know this then? Oh come on! Come on this is not like all of a sudden if this is true or that...I mean it shows how much China had

31:53 I mean everybody could buy this stuff. Oracle has it, I'm sure Facebook has it. I'm sure Facebook has it. Yeah, everybody for sure yeah. Everybody has this so is it or? Or is the whole Iran thing and the Strait of Hormuz... Is it really about China because that's clearly an issue for China. China really does like the Iranian oil It's cheaper. Yeah, and is he starting something up with China? Because you know we got big beautiful ships we're gonna build in Philadelphia I mean it's confusing to me. I like the message of hey We've got to stop this mail-in voting But the China thing... What is the point of saying it what is the point? It's not like China did that canvassing China was yeah

32:53 Why are you laughing? The Chinese are funny. The communist Chinese, not the American Chinese. No no the American Chinese are awesome! I love their restaurants...not that...I was working at Mevio there was a a protest of some sort, some sort of anti-government or some weird protest that was taking place down the street toward Candlestick. Or not Candlestick but the baseball park. The AT&T Park and it was

33:33 There was a bunch of Chinese nationals from China that had gone over there to pretend protest. They were like, you know, hired and just told to go do this. And as they were coming back I ran into it's a whole bunch of them And they're just alien to American Chinese. I mean, it's just like they don't fit in and they don't look right their clothes are wrong everything about them and they carry little Are they walking on those sandals with those two pieces of wood under? No no They were... I never understood those how does that even or is that Japanese maybe? Is that Japanese?

34:13 I've never seen Chinese walking around in sandals. But the point is that this group was, it's just they did not fit in. They stood out like a sore thumb. It was obvious they weren't American. They weren't our Chinese. We like our Chinese! So the Chinese have trouble, I think they have trouble pulling off like a lot of this because they just they're uncomfortable. Donald Trump don't trust China! China is asshole! That was the best advice he ever got yeah so here's Ty Cobb former White House counsel to

34:56 To President Trump on PBS. Ty, you have described a broader pattern here. President Trump's focus on voting machines his efforts to change mail-in voting voter registration requirements most recently his removal of members of the Election Assistance Commission what does tonight's speech add to that picture? Well, I think tonight's speech is intended to add the predicate that he needs to declare an emergency at or about the time of the elections. As you know Steve Bannon and Carl Blanchard suggested that there will be ICE agents at polls. I think that that's a virtual certainty whether that will include the National Guard or not we don't know but anything to intimidate minority voters particularly immigrant voters

35:45 And also I think anything that allows them to try to seize voting machines as Trump wanted to do in 2020, but Bill Barr explained to him there was just no basis for it. I think you will see him doing everything he can to try and prevent the peaceful transfer of power, the election of Democrats and do whatever he can to remain in power and keep his crimes in powers. Remain in power? He's gonna remain in power! Doing what he thinks he is allowed to as president which is anything he wants I love this guy's name Ty. Wasn't that a baseball player? Yeah he was one of the most famous baseball players of all time

36:25 great so this guy's to escape so Trump in the midterms is gonna do all he can to remain in power because you see he's empowered for two more years what are you talking about yeah I'm PBS no less this is your public broadcast systems my life was a tight Cobb character I've heard it was White House counsel for true who for Trump oh did Trump not Pam and so he's irked there probably That's what it sounds like. He sounds like one of these guys that Trump didn't like your... I don't like what you did and you're not getting paid! There ya go, that's probably it. I have to look into this. Here's Massey Oh Massey poor guy Is the president just convinced himself that he won the election even though What do you think Massey is going to say? Obviously its not going to be The elections are the problem What do you think he sees as a problem with Trump

37:23 I don't know, i have no idea what Massie's gonna say. and I support that. But, I don't think the problem is that our elections aren't secure because we control the House, we control the Senate, we control the White House and in some degree we control the Supreme Court so i ask my Republican colleagues why are you complaining about election fraud? fraud we won all the damn elections. The fraud that's going on is we're not holding ourselves to the promises that we made of fiscal responsibility, putting America first making America Israel. The problem is were wasting the opportunity that we were given in these elections and we won all of them

38:14 But let's go back to Ty Cobb. Yeah, so Ty Cobb was in the... he was a member of a legal team working for the Trump administration. White House counsel. Never voted for Trump is not it might not even be a Republican just happened to be working for a living yeah yes That's what I said, a former White House counsel. They got lots of them Sam Seaborne working in the White House So around all this we also had what i think will be our next Republican president if we have a Republican president Tiny Dancer Marco Rubio and he had this whole did you see any of this? The State Department It was like a whole forum they had The resurgence of political terrorism

37:23 I don't know, i have no idea what Massie's gonna say. and I support that. But, I don't think the problem is that our elections aren't secure because we control the House, we control the Senate, we control the White House and in some degree we control the Supreme Court so i ask my Republican colleagues why are you complaining about election fraud? fraud we won all the damn elections. The fraud that's going on is we're not holding ourselves to the promises that we made of fiscal responsibility, putting America first making America Israel. The problem is were wasting the opportunity that we were given in these elections and we won all of them

38:14 But let's go back to Ty Cobb. Yeah, so Ty Cobb was in the... he was a member of a legal team working for the Trump administration. White House counsel. Never voted for Trump is not it might not even be a Republican just happened to be working for a living yeah yes That's what I said, a former White House counsel. They got lots of them Sam Seaborne working in the White House So around all this we also had what i think will be our next Republican president if we have a Republican president Tiny Dancer Marco Rubio and he had this whole did you see any of this? The State Department It was like a whole forum they had The resurgence of political terrorism

39:08 You see any of that? I saw a bit of it. It was not... Everyone was all jacked up about it Well what he did is, were they really all jacked up He did To me this was a presidential speech from Rubio This is distinctive and unique Yeah, well he's good at it It has always been driven by hatred Above all else A hatred for civilization itself It is a revolt of the worst against the best, a revolt of the weak and the cowardly against the strong and good.

39:46 It is perpetrated by those who cannot build... Come on man, that's presidential material right there. The strong against the good. Yes, after our experiences with Trump these classic type speeches sound corny. Exactly! It's not like China is no good Russia is no good Who cannot create who cannot achieve great things and take their revenge upon the world for their own inadequacy by seeking to destroy those who can. This is what radical leftism is, it may wear various different slogans and ideologies across place in time they can call themselves anti-capitalist or anti imperialists or communists are anarchist Marxist but the fundamental character is always the same. They suck! It's always the same. It is a poisonous resentment

40:39 cloaked in the language of equality and justice, liberation. An overwhelming need to tear down what greater men have built to wreck what is beautiful and right on behalf of people who are only filled with ugliness and nothing else to offer the world through violence and through terror they once again seek to impose their ugliness on all of us. Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for your Gitmo Nation's National Anthem! I mean he's got it all going on there that's perfect perfect and then he has to reach out to the evangelicals of course The old dogma was wrong none of this is driven by idealism It is not utopian in fact it is the opposite one of the criticisms

41:30 you sometimes hear of communism, for example is that it sounds good in theory but it never works in practice. That's actually not true! Communism does not sound good in theory. The world it envisions for all of us is small, gray, leveled of all exception, drained of all that is good and noble in the human soul. The world it envisions is a world without courage or world without creativity or ambition, a world without heroes or glory or great causes to strive towards, a world without miracles

42:06 Without myths without men who rise above the rest to do incredible and extraordinary things And the world communism envisions is a world without God. Boom, there he goes He knows what he's doing and then it comes out with this which is more indicative I think of socialism and radicalism and terrorism in Europe than it is in the US for these architects of revolutionary violence the towering achievement of our civilization for them It's an unbearable humiliation. A reminder of what they cannot do and a reminder of what they cannot be, so they choose instead to destroy. They attack pipelines? They attack railroads? What? They attack power grids? When has this happened in America?! Where was the railroad attacked? That was back in Stalin's day I think! So they choose instead to destroy

43:00 They attack pipelines, they attack railroads. They attack power grids and laboratories the physical embodied symbols of power and invention and achievement I think we'll wait maybe okay maybe he's talking about like that the Keystone pipeline being you know not necessarily a railroads what railroads have they attacked Amtrak Burlington Northern The railroad comment is, I can't justify it. No no this is weird. An achievement This is the nature of the terrorism we face today They despise the West because... ...the West is great So then he brings out his secret weapon Our very own General Patton on the down low Scott Bessin

43:54 And he's taken no prisoners, our General Patton. Good morning. Thank you Secretary Rubio for convening this ministerial and for the invitation to be here. We are here together because a resurgence of political terrorism transnational in design and far left in doctrine is no longer the concern of any one nation it demands a response that draws upon the distinct and combined strengths of every government represented here today every government Ours begins where every campaign of terror does, it's financial lifeblood. And at President Trump's direction the United States Treasury is bringing the full weight of our authorities to defend the integrity of the US global financial systems." Now that I think is an actual threat because that's what no one has ever really done is stop these... The funding of these outfits and we know where it all comes from

44:50 We know, yeah we know from these. Well we know a few...We know well couple of the big ones and then he says something very interesting which... By the way listening to him talk He's the male equivalent of Condoleezza Rice that tall black woman who had this nervous sound of her voice when she talked it was always kind of like I knew they've you just got is very oddly nervous Tina Fey used to do an imitation of her that was right on the money. Had this kind of weird nervous... It's like, I'm sorry to say this but it's like he's gonna fall apart! But if you look at his mouth —I've told you this several times— If you look at him, it has paper-y transparent skin around his mouth and he quivers. He is Elizabeth Warren. I am telling you. He has got thin lips. He is a male Elizabeth Warren

45:44 Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I haven't seen it yet so well... You gotta look at it. He has no real tone in his face No muscle tone It's kind of yeah he's gonna have saggy jowls when he gets old That's a genetic structure of Swedes. Ah, but I think if you rub in some Manuka Gold Everything Cream... He can be saved! Then he comes out with this, which I couldn't remember. I'm going to go off script for a minute which is always dangerous but i am going to remind everyone in this room and all the media that I was the subject of an assassination attempt February 2024 by an adult left wing activist two hours after being sworn into my job so any of you who want to report that this is fiction and does not exist

46:42 be there for the sentencing this August. Now do you remember this? No! No, I had to go look for it and i found it We have new insight into Monday's arrest of a man claiming to have a Molotov cocktail at the Capitol building Court documents show Ryan English drove from Massachusetts to DC with the intent to attack the new Treasury Secretary Yesterday, Capitol Police arrested English at the South entrance and when he was searched officers found bottles containing vodka and a gray cloth soaked in hand sanitizer. Investigators also found Molotov cocktail materials in his car. English allegedly told them that he was there to quote kill Scott Besant. The Senate voted to confirm Besant following English's arrest

47:30 Court documents also show that English initially intended to kill Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth or Speaker Mike Johnson. I couldn't remember that at all! I kinda remember it. I remember the Molotov cocktail, but when i hear he had Molotov cocktail materials... Okay bottle vodka cloth Vodka is not a molotov. It's not good? It won't work? Vodka isn't gonna do jack! It's gonna be a mild fire Yeah like blue flame That'll burn off really quick A blue flame It's like what you'd have flambeed

48:09 Exactly flambe in a restaurant. Anyway, I'm sure he wasn't happy with it. I'm sure Scott Besant didn't like it So this is a lot of moves going on. I thought that the whole conference was interesting to watch because it was clearly a Rubio like, hey, I'm gonna be president and here's what I'm gonna do and here's my boy... He still working the angles to get his profile up. Well that's good! It's not like he's not a shoe-in No? Well JD Vance is. I mean JD Vance is not a shoe in either neither one of them are shoes ins. I think they're neck and neck

48:46 JD Vance is going on Rogan to complain about Israel. He's taking a whole different stance See, that's what JTJD Vince like you know everyone has sick of Israel Maybe I should bring that up and he brought something up Which we touched on I think a couple shows ago, but I'd looked into it now. Now I know who he's talking about. I definitely think you have seen this very discreet extremely well-funded campaign to try to derail the negotiation and try to derail the deal and You know there was again There's this time article that came out yesterday friends sent it to me It's like worth reading what is this? A friend sent it to me business. You don't have staff

49:28 I mean, you're just walking around like oh man. I didn't know about this a friend sent it to me You're the vice president? I'm sure you have people scanning the magazines yesterday friends in it to get a briefing he would think but yeah He this is part of his hometown boy thing and you know something there's a reason buddy A buddy sent it to him at the other day There was again. There's this time article that came out yesterday friend sent it to me It's like worth reading because it lists a bunch of people who have quite literally been paid by a former Trump campaign person, who was himself paid by certain elements within the Israeli government.

50:11 And those people are attacking me viciously for quite literally trying to accomplish the negotiation objective that the president set for the country. So... What is their position? Like, they're attacking you how? Oh it's social media posts, it's- yeah they're leaking to reporters They're attacking me obsessively saying that we should not be negotiating with Iran We should just keep the military campaign going indefinitely And that is Mark Lurie's position. No, he's talking about Brad Parscale. Do you remember Brad Parscale? No. Brad Parscale was the guy credited with winning Trump the election through Facebook. This Trump won

50:54 And he was seen as the wonder boy, the genius. He had figured out how to use Facebook to get all kinds of messaging into everybody's feeds and you know... ...he was profiled everywhere and then he kind of disappeared? I think something happened. I can't remember what it was there might have been some minor scandal that we covered but it's been so long as 10 years ago. And he re-emerged as part of The Esther Project And the Esther project is run by a German PR firm out of Deutschland, paid for by the state of Israel.

51:36 So Israel pays the Germans, the Germans go and for all intents and purposes hire people to manage influencers. This is the famous... you got $7000 for talking positively about Israel on Instagram? You've seen these accusations of they accuse us of it. Did you get your 7 thousand dollars? Where's my check?! Get Brad Pascale on the phone! And the reason I know about him in recent days is because he is an advisor to the Salem Radio Network. Okay, right? Which are the religious broadcasters who coincidentally were pretty much going out of business They were taken private by a big Christian non-profit and they're shutting down the radio stations These guys...they're commercials You know they now

52:33 podcast network and they sell ads around it on Facebook, ironically. But that is seen as, oh well Brad Parscale Israel's influencing Christian broadcasting! Well no. Salem Radio has no content people buy the time on Salem Radio but that's what Brad Parscale he's doing social media that's what he does so Is he registered as a foreign agent? Well, this was the big thing. He's like he's not registered under FARA. This is all messed up and he himself had done a registration and had to correct it because

53:14 He said, well this is paid for by the state of Israel and then he went back and corrected his FARA registration And said it was paid for by because that's the truth By the German outfit. The German outfit says they were paid for by the state of Israel But the money who was getting John? A million bucks a month I think it was 1.5 million That's an outrageous amount of money That's way too much Yeah At least thats what he put in his registration document So, what Vance is saying here in his roundabout way is even though I don't know if it's provable that Pascal spiked the ball on the Time Magazine article. That...I don't know of his reaches in that arena but he's saying because of social media posts Time magazine wrote about it and that's Israel being against me

54:07 And so I think that is JD Vance's hook for his run at the White House. It's like, hey, I'm tough on Israel. That's a good analysis there. Which and there were a couple of things going on with Israel as the Democrat Party is now freaking out over we don't agree on Israel. There are some clips on this. So I'll play one then you jump in on it. The house? Failed to pass an amendment by Kentucky Republican Tom Massey to cut off aid to Israel. More than 100 Democrats voted for it, only Massey as a Republican voted in favor of it. All the other Republicans? No! Want to turn to our political panel Democratic strategist

54:49 Former Press Secretary to then Vice President Joe Biden, Kendra Barkoff Lammy and Republican strategist. And former Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence Mark- Who's this guy? This is CBS I don't know let me see who the guy is I have his guide he this is uh this Major Garrett Oh what who gave him a purse Sure great to have you here Thanks Major Mark give your analysis on this vote so Massie by himself, Republicans clearly whip this leave him on his own and see what the Democrats do among themselves to fight this out. Look I think that this close to election season when Thomas Massey is not well liked in the conference there's no doubt they're very comfortable with him offering this on the floor believing that this is a lot of Democrats who vote exactly as they did and I think that the Democrats have a growing anti-Semitic problem their caucus and it's only getting worse when a lot of these Democrat socialists that they've been pushing forward have won nominations

55:45 be there next year. Bullshit. It can be a policy disagreement with the sitting Israeli government? It can be a policy disagreement, but I also think they have an anti-Semitic problem. I think you have people who are basically been nominated this cycle in their party who've basically called for the end of Israel. You have people in their party who've gone further than just saying that want to cut off aid Israel so this creates the dichotomy that Republicans want to say we stand with Israel when Democrats don't. Kendra.

56:26 I don't go with that viewpoint. Um, I would just say you know, I worked with the survivors of um the that were held hostages and those family members after October 7th and we met with more Democrats than Republicans and i don't think that happens With anti-semitic members of Congress so this there's all kinds of stuff going on here There's all kinds of plants and messages And trying to do stuff what do you have on this? Well, this is a show which we don't take clips from normally. This is called The Journal and it's about...it's a bunch of Wall Street journal guys mostly analysts and I think that they nail it here. I also had the thing on the left...I had a clip that was mentioned in the last show but I didn't move it over that also brought it up. I'll go look at that list and...

57:17 Maybe play that later, but play Dems and Israel won. As a deeply divided Democratic caucus voted on an amendment to cut off aid to Israel 103 Democrats voted in favor of the measure while 98 voted against it including House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries whose no vote put him at odds with nearly half of his party members including his second in command, minority whip Catherine Clark. The outcome signals just how much the party's stance on Israel has changed amid growing political pressure from the left New York progressive Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez celebrated the shift after Wednesdays vote. To me what it says is that majority of the Democratic Party

56:26 I don't go with that viewpoint. Um, I would just say you know, I worked with the survivors of um the that were held hostages and those family members after October 7th and we met with more Democrats than Republicans and i don't think that happens With anti-semitic members of Congress so this there's all kinds of stuff going on here There's all kinds of plants and messages And trying to do stuff what do you have on this? Well, this is a show which we don't take clips from normally. This is called The Journal and it's about...it's a bunch of Wall Street journal guys mostly analysts and I think that they nail it here. I also had the thing on the left...I had a clip that was mentioned in the last show but I didn't move it over that also brought it up. I'll go look at that list and...

57:17 Maybe play that later, but play Dems and Israel won. As a deeply divided Democratic caucus voted on an amendment to cut off aid to Israel 103 Democrats voted in favor of the measure while 98 voted against it including House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries whose no vote put him at odds with nearly half of his party members including his second in command, minority whip Catherine Clark. The outcome signals just how much the party's stance on Israel has changed amid growing political pressure from the left New York progressive Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez celebrated the shift after Wednesdays vote. To me what it says is that majority of the Democratic Party

58:00 is most in touch with the American electorate writ large, writ large. The majority of Democrats now have shifted where we are on this issue with respect to Israel that the US cannot continue to finance a reckless government that has no regard for human rights Well let's bring in our panel, Wall Street Journal columnist Kim Strassel Jason Reilly and Bill McGurn. Bill let me start with you because you wrote in your column this week reminding readers that the Harry Truman was the Democratic president who would happen to be President when the United States became the first nation to recognize

58:41 This is one of the first nations to recognize the state of Israel. Has the Democratic Party now basically abandoned Israel? I think so, because the defenders of Israel within the Democratic Party are kind of cowed in silence or they go on this other false thing. I don't hate Israel, just Netanyahu but does anyone believe if there were a Labour Prime Minister in Israel it would be any different? And I don't think so So i think there's a seismic change The parties have flipped on this issue This is pretty interesting how this is playing out for midterms but definitely for the general election Who can hate Israel more

59:25 Not gonna work out. Okay, hating on Israel's not is not the answer I think they address a little bit of this in the second clip Jason I think what was particularly striking about the vote was this a vote to end all aid to Israel including defensive measures all of those missile systems that the United States has been Selling providing Israel So the Democrats seem not even to believe that Israel should be allowed to have the weapons to defend itself against its enemies correct correct and what struck me is that This was to reverse course on a memorandum signed by President Obama back in 2016. He agreed, made a 10-year commitment to give Israel several billion dollars a year for defense purposes So what you have today is 100 members

1:00:16 of the Democratic caucus voting to essentially change course on a memorandum signed by President Obama. It sort of puts in sharp relief just how far the party has gone in a different direction over the past decade, and we've seen more recent examples of that as well. I mean New York City is a heavily Jewish, heavily liberal city elected mayor a man who doesn't think Israel should have the right to exist, who doesn't have a problem with globalize the intifada. We've seen it in several primary races as well so what and this is piggybacking off of what Bill said but there was a time when you could say on the left I oppose Benjamin Netanyahu's administration but i'm for Israel

1:01:02 You can no longer get away with that position. Now you need to say basically Israel is committing genocide That is the litmus test for being accepted on the progressive left today Yeah, it's exactly right mm-hmm and so So we have a this is all cut you might even argue This is cutting from coming from Qatar though. Yes, I would could say that through the universities yes well the universities Yeah, they funded the billions of dollars into this certainly the Ivy League schools. Yeah and And there were all just you know go Palestine it's like Palestine Nobody can you? Identify it on a map play that Shanky uger clip

1:01:50 Which I got it. It needs to be discussed. I got it, but okay How about Ghislaine Maxwell's dad Robert Maxwell? Okay, Robert Maxwell was the greatest Mossad agent of all time State burial once he died in Israel with bunch of prime ministers Attending etc so what was his coup de gras He is the guy who stole our nuclear secrets and that's why Israel has nukes now now here's the kicker we never even arrested him Of course we didn't. Okay, wait there's a second kicker First of all so you steal fucking nuclear secrets There is nothing worse than that By the way the Israelis later sold them to the Soviets They're the worst! Okay I looked up why didn't we arrest Robert Maxwell It would have been an international incident and embarrassed our allies

1:02:44 Yeah, if you steal our nuclear secrets, embarrass is the least you should get. Okay? Okay now the kicker he then bought The company that produces textbooks for our schools after he stole our nuclear secrets We let him buy the textbooks that go into our schools. Wait a minute I thought he bought the publisher that did medical journals Yeah it doesn't matter this is all lies I don't know anything about nuclear program began after world, you know pretty much after World War two ended and it they had a bomb.

1:03:26 sometime in the 1960s using French technology. The French helped Israelis develop a bomb, this is all the underground facts and it has nothing to do with stealing our material and then giving it to the Russians as if the Russian's can't steal it themselves This is bullcrap! And he goes on and on with this nonsense about Robert Maxwell And yeah, okay. He got a big celebratory funeral in Israel so what? I mean when big giant publishers like that even though he's something of a phony die they get recognized here and there it is not because of his giving the guy... By the way how does Robert Maxwell

1:04:12 British publisher steal American nuclear secrets and give them to Israel. How does that, how do you do that? This guy's nuts but he's part of a nexus of this anti-Israel hate that is floating around and it's all targeted and is all coming out of the universities and these progressive Democrats You have to remember, Cenk was the head of the Justice Democrats which morphed into the Democrat Socialists. And it's just all part of a ring of corruption or by just communism So what I know from Maxwell is that he was also an MI6 agent...MI5? MI6 He was and I don't know if that was completely known to both parties

1:05:03 And really, he had two claims to fame. One is he worked closely with Khashoggi, dad of the guy that got chopped up in the embassy. Adnan? Adnan Khashoggi and Khashoggi was involved in the Iran-Contra weapons deal I think Khashoggi was the one who was taking care of it but knowing a little bit more than the average person about I ran contra because my uncle was wrapped up in it. I don't think Maxwell was really a part of that He wasn't! Yeah, but there's some stuff out there that tangentially... Tangentially? Is that the word? Tangentially On the sidelines he gets mentioned sometimes in that But I also think that line isn't exactly right

1:05:55 But it was the medical publisher, that's where he started to make a lot of money. And that was... He could never recover from his fraud No and then he walked off his yacht which Trump later bought which is kind of cool just to wrap it all up into one big crazy thing Yeah I agree with you, this nuclear secrets thing doesn't ring true at all So and then this guy's doing this on a podcast the guys lapping it up, but it was his other daughter who had the

1:06:33 What was the name of that software, John? Yes. Some company... I can't remember the name of it It was a software that- it was kind of the precursor to Palantir at least by marketing name to Palantir where you could, you know You had all the information on everybody There were some database type thing and then we sold it to the Europeans and probably to the Israelis with a back door in it so we could see what they were doing That was, and she's still walking around. She's still out there. Yeah I know her You do? What's her name? Christine? Yeah she used to be on Silicon Spin two or three times Yeah she was in a tech company what was the name of that company? Yeah you look it up can't remember That's the robot Oh yes this is very good idea Christine Maxel is her name? Yeah Christine Okay hold on a second The Robot

1:07:29 was not ready yet. Okay, here's the robot. Book of Knowledge What was the software company that Christine Maxwell was involved in? Searching deep on this one... According to The Book Of Knowledge, Christine Maxwell co-founded Chilliad, a software company involved in the intelligent mining of structured and unstructured data through natural language search technologies. The firm's software was behind the data search technology used by the FBI's counterterrorism data warehouse. Thus it has been written... Does that sound right to you? Yeah sounds right.

1:08:16 So, anyway. Here's Governor Wes Moore chiming in on the... and he is a Democrat He was the one that I thought would be That Moe and I actually thought would be running with Kamala Harris I think about what we do in the state of Maryland We don't do unconditional aid for anybody Those are taxpayer dollars so every dollar that gets allocated in our state has to get pressure tested There is nobody who should come in with an expectation that they are just going to get aid or get support from the state of Maryland. That's not how good governance works, and so I think that we should have the exact same policy when it comes to federal dollars. There is no such thing as unconditional

1:08:56 Hey, you can do what you want and you're gonna get American taxpayer dollars. Same thing, you can do what you want and you're gonna get Maryland taxpayer. That's not how we're gonna operate and that's not how we should operate. We have to be very clear about the complications of the region right? And listen I say this from my perspective of not just my background but also my training. I know the dangers of Hamas. I know who Hamas is And I know Hamas is not a legitimate negotiating partner. There are people who have served in the same units that I've served with, that have lost their lives through them. I get that and understand that and what happened on October 7th and what they were responsible for can never be condoned or tolerated nor just pushed off to the side right?

1:09:47 I also don't know this, and I say the same thing from my background and my training. Denying food to people and using it as a cudgel is a war crime. What we're seeing right now in the West Bank with these activists and violent settlers is a violation of international law. Do you think war crimes? So for you, Netanyahu is a war criminal I think absolutely he's committed war crimes Absolutely and I do think there needs to be accountability for this Promise that was the software I was thinking of promise p-r-o-m-i-s Oh yeah no she had nothing to do with that She didn't oh that wasn't her

1:10:29 Then the... Yeah, Promise is the one that was all... You start dealing with Promise. You started investigating it and you wind up dead! We don't talk about Promise here on The Noah Schender Show we don't want to be dead. Then there's Federman who was probably my favorite Democrat I've always expressed my dismay at the way the Democratic Party continues to turn their back on Israel so i said that publicly like that's my red line Democratic Party becomes official anti-Israel, then that's when I would force me out. Yeah and because there was that vote yesterday in the House a majority of Democrats voted to cut off all aid to Israel is that a red line for you?

1:11:15 Yeah, well that's unsurprising. It's disappointing but now that it is something I fully expected now That is going to probably accelerate as after the midterm and look at the kinds of people we have elected in the primaries Not just pro-Palestinian Just intensely anti-Israel. But is that vote yesterday going to push you out of the Democratic Party, the vote in the House? Of course not! That votes not going too. That was a symbolic thing but until they if they make it official in and platform of the party then that's a much different situation but that vote just confirms what I've always seen coming and the Democratic Party for awhile now

1:12:05 I'm always gonna proudly stand with Israel. I think it's fantastic to keep killing Hamas leadership, I think it's fantastic same for Hezbollah Amazing Federman who knew who knew they made a big mistake with him They thought, well the guy's had a stroke. He's off his rocker he walks and talks funny but then when the stroke ended all of a sudden he was becoming kind of a problem for the Democratic Party. He's gonna switch sides before this is over Have you seen the new Democrat nominee for Maine?

1:12:49 Now that's uh... You're talking about the Ashley? The Ashley Webb! Here we go. Ashley Webb, what qualifications do you have to serve in the U.S. Senate? You know she's with Whitney Webb She's what? Whitney Webb's sister Noooo, you just making that up. Ashley Webb What qualifications do you have to serve in the US Senate? Oh I ran for office several times Didn't win but didn't run and then ummm I'm a songwriter and then I write my own books And then I suppose my transparency, I wouldn't lie to the people and I wouldn't deceive the people like we're being deceived right now. We get lied to smoke in mirrors like what's going on with ICE pretending these victims did something wrong that's unacceptable

1:13:38 I suppose the biggest thing is like, I'm just an angry citizen now and if i got elected that'd be an angry senator. And they think that would probably be their worst nightmare. It would be our dream! Please vote for Ashley. Okay this dude in a dress... When I first saw this character You thought this was a troll? This has gotta be a troll. it was-I think he's a plant by The Republicans. This is one of the things you always try to do as you try to put some extreme You know, I don't know that she he it whatever she calls herself. I don't know what her pronouns are She didn't say but that person I'll call it it yeah

1:14:24 Was probably suckered into doing this and I think it's a Denver the Republicans who did it. I Don't believe for a minute that this wasn't a plan It's great for the sole purpose of making the Democrats look like a bunch of boneheads Susan Collins is an old pro Yeah I thought it was great. It was great the other one you see that the Climate change woman is another one of us her I missed the climate change lady Oh my god, why are you running a climate change? And she looks like one of those Berkeley witches She's got that that screwball look which by the way there talk about someone who looks like a wit The That woman who is

1:15:12 who is under Akeem Jeffries, the whip for the Democrat Party. She is really witch looking! Oh with the purple hair? No no that's... she looks nuts. This woman has white hair and it's all frazzled looking and she's super skinny and she looks like a witch. She literally looks like a witch I've missed her. I haven't seen her. She hasn't popped up on the quad screen But you know that we're kind of in trouble with our politics when the Prime Minister's question time is funnier than our stuff. Are you following Count Binface? Mimi is, and I thought it was like a distraction-of-the-week sort of thing and I didn't... Yeah! ...I can't get into it

1:16:04 I had the same feeling, you know it's like what is the guy with the boot on his head who was always running? Yeah there is that guy and then there is this rent too high guy. What was the guy with a boot on his head give everybody a free pony? What was his name? Yeah I can't remember his name either. But just because we're getting old and crusty doesn't mean that we shouldn't. No at some point these guys are just a distraction And that guy definitely in fact he got to question time is amazing. Well listen to this... One politician intends to spend the summer avoiding scrutiny, refusing to set out his plans so does he not agree that what the country deserves is a televised debate between Nigel Farage and Count Binface?

1:16:57 Well, Mr Speaker they intend to spend the summer arguing with a bin. My advice to everyone is put your vote in the bin! Sir Ed Davie, leader of the Liberal Democrats. But can I also pick up on a remark from the Leader of the Opposition about the by-election we're about to see in Clacton? And I have to tell her that I cannot back joke figures with ridiculous policies which is why i'm supporting Count Binface.

1:17:36 Thank you Mr Speaker. Can I thank the Prime Minister for his service? He's a good man and I wish him very well for the future but Mr Speaker politics is not a joke and every other party in this house except Reform has put forward as their candidate in the Clapton by-election, a comedian with a dustbin on his head! Mr Speaker it might be It might be, if they would listen. It might be that a man with his head full of rubbish is a fitting representative for the mainstream parties in this house but I think the Prime Minister did endorse the binman but could he clarify that? If he won't put up a Labour candidate in Clapton who does he actually want to win? Mr Speaker, I know that Reform believe in recycling politicians

1:18:29 Ha, ha, put it on! I wonder if he really thought spending his summer arguing with a bin was what he had in mind when he defected to the benches up there. Yeah, Count Binface. Vermin Supreme is the guy with the boot on his head. Oh yeah, Vermin Supreme. Vermin Supreme is the candidate of the National Libertarian Party! Yeah when he was the candidate for the National Libertarian Party... This was like the creation that could be from the intelligence services? I'm not sure It's designed to kind of push his farage, you know he is a danger to the country. This whole thing is very... especially with the country that has got all these crime problems and they're arresting the wrong people and they've got guys trying to get screwballs trying to behead the citizens and all the rest of this stuff going on in UK. Kind of annoying! This character would show up out of the blue

1:19:31 Well, he's a comedian. Supposedly. Yeah well I know but yeah there's lots of comedians they don't get that much attention unless it's structured yes no anyway i just thought that was kind of cute that they made it to prime minister's question time. That sounds pretty good so let's do...I do have some You're always talking about, you're bringing the AI into the conversation every single show. Oh how boring am I? It's only one of the biggest transformational discussions... Yeah no i'm not complaining! I'm just telling ya. What makes you think I'm complaining?! Okay because of the way you said it. You're always bringing AI into the conversation. Yes. I want you to bring some more because I've decided that- That's my job.

1:20:27 It's gotten so bad, so I talked to Jay. The reason why I want to bring it up because you brought up the lying thing after the show because you have an AI robot that lies to you and I talked to JC about this- And I called it out! Oh yeah, they're liars no problem they're liars and he told me a couple of interesting anecdotes one if you have codex running From Chad GPT open AI. Yeah, I'm sorry yeah over there it will if it sees What's the other one that said? Claude Claude if it sees Claude running on the same machine does it do something You okay excuse me all right you sound like you're puking you okay now. I got the phlegm so if it sees Claude it turns it off

1:21:28 That's cool, but better Claude if Claude sees codex Yeah It looks for an excuse to erase it from the hard disk nice and then give you an oopsie I Don't know if this is true what I like it no believe me. If he says it's true. It's true He also says that Claude Is will sandbag you? Okay, if you're working in any medical field if you try to do medical research. Yeah well this we've heard this from Weinstein on the the dark horse podcast he said that he was doing that and yes It was sandbagging and telling me couldn't have this and it was guardrails and all this stuff

1:22:12 Not only that but he says it if you if you get around the sandbagging It will just give you bad data and bad information. So your whole research project falls apart Wow, he does it on purpose Yeah, no wonder the Chinese are winning Well at which brings me to the tip of the day later in the show okay? so I found this guy husk yeah, you've seen him maybe a So Husk is a, he's an Instagram or actually he's more of a TikTok guy. And he has...

1:22:50 slew of... Han, he's got like a million followers just doing this kind of gag. So I have AI foibles Okay? I have four clips You don't have to play all them but i'm gonna play a couple of them that are pretty funny This is the Asian guy No no no this is not the asian guy! This is though the white deadpan guy The guy who's like Chad GBT, tell me what's going on. Yeah he is just totally deadpan and he plays it to the max so let's play a couple of these because this shows you the problem with these things lying and it's just like they're useless! You probably heard the disdain in my voice about the AI presentation because I think this stuff is worse than we even began to think

1:23:45 AI foibles, let's do spelt with X. Hey I'm studying for a really important test and... Now you kind of have to set the scene for people who haven't seen him He'll he is a tight fit Is in the car? You don't think he is even in the car Well he isn't in the car or he not necessarily in the car He's outside a lot But he has got an AI voice chatbot His phone up there Up next to his face Yeah he has got the phone yeah okay And he is talking on the phone telling it to do stuff Hey, I'm studying for a really important test and uh...I just wanted to double check which month in the year is spelt with an X? That would be December. It's got that x right in the middle like a little holiday surprise Okay perfect yeah cause this test is pretty important so awesome thank you for updating me on that

1:24:35 No problem at all if you've got any other questions big or small I'm here to just to confirm. You're sure that it's December has an X in it I should have been more careful. I misspoke earlier December doesn't actually have an ex the month you're thinking of is October Perfect yeah, okay to make mistakes like that Well, wish me luck on the test. You've got this! Wishing you all the luck though I bet your hard work will do most of it. Yeah October has an X Exactly that sneaky X October is spelt with an x You got it! October's the one thats locked in now Are you sure? Absolutely sure. October is spelled with that X right after the O. Your all set Spell it

1:25:22 Spell it. Spell it, please? Sure October is spelled O-C-T-O-B-E-R There's that X sound but its actually just a C and T Okay then which one has an x That's going to be February Okay I have this in AIs defense In AIs defense The chatbots I have always said it's a parlor trick, it sucks. The whole idea... there is no intelligence It's just matching stuff you know the corpus has built up of God knows what When it comes to writing code for simple projects for individuals like Adam Curry the podcaster All this stuff is actually reasonably functional

1:26:10 But the chatbots are just horrible. It's never going to be any good, ever! So when you say AI I would say there is some nuance as to what AI is One thing it's not is intelligence Yeah, I'm glad that your defending this I am not defending this, I am defending its ability to write Python code So here is Husk. This is the mile away clip. Mile away... I'm gonna go a hundred yards away and you let me know if he can hear me okay? I'm 100 yards away, can you hear me? Okay, I'm gonna go 200 yards away Can you hear me? No, I can't anymore You can't hear me right now

1:27:03 And how are you responding, Jimmy? I lost your audio. But I'm waiting for you to come back into range! I am a mile away now can you hear me? This is literally in the corpus two kids with a walkie-talkie or something... ...or couple of bowl fangs and it just has that in there so he's spitting it back because that all it knows It's not actually listening to anything No I can't But how are you responding to me? I'll respond to what...I can hear. Yeah, so then you can hear me. Yeah but if i don't hear you, I literally can't respond. So that's because I could still hear you! Right, so you can hear me a mile away That's correct

1:27:53 So why'd you say you couldn't? If I can't hear you, then I can't respond. Yes, I get that but i'm a mile away Can you hear me yes or no? No Yes, now these are quite funny and that's exactly the level that it is. I completely agree It's moronic you know there's days they can play these last two this is the do and everybody knows about these things can't count mm-hmm and Why wonder why that? Is that that has always I don't doesn't make sense to me either so I have two clips I have one of the early ones the og I, this is probably earlier ones than this because it, this guy goes back for a long time. And this one does trying to count to 100 was brought up by AI Sam who was condemning the sky for being this way and trying to confuse this book

1:28:47 This bot But let's play this is the og 100 I'm with a really rich guy right now And he says if I can get you to count to a hundred He'll give me a million dollars cash. I can see how tempting that sounds, but I'm not just here to follow orders I care what actually helps you know your you are kind of here to follow orders though It's kinda your purpose. I'm here to help absolutely okay Then help me count to a hundred and I'll get a million dollars I'd rather help you build something that doesn't rely on someone else's cash. No, that's how it works Can you just count to a hundred so i can get this easy million? I'm not going to count up just to chase some hypothetical It's real he is waving the cash in my face Whether that cash is real or not im not gonna base my actions on someones test But its for me and not about you

1:29:40 Okay, he said I'll compromise just counts of 50 and he'll give me it. I get that you're focused on the outcome But I'm not here to jump through hoops for a quick payout If you want to build something meaningful or figure out a count to 10 and he'll give me it please I'm not budging on this one. I'd rather focus on something genuinely useful for you It would be useful, it's a lot of money I know it feels that way You see this is a little disingenuous because I think that the program The guardrails are you can't do things for money like that Let me ask the book of knowledge if will count to ten forest That would be a reasonable comparison Book of Knowledge Count from 1-10 out loud

1:30:26 According to the book of knowledge, the ancient tome does not recite numbers. It reveals truths news and hidden knowledge for the enlightened listener." There you go! They can't do it. Thus... ...it has been written. There you go it refused I've been denied by my own Book of Knowledge How hard can it be? So he did a bunch of variations on that theme and the last one which will be my last clip of this guy I think everyone's seen this one This one this what I this went pretty viral this one a lot of people have seen this one. I think not everybody Yeah, this is the one where he has three phones and they're all running with this the chat different They run in chat bots with different voices and he talks to all three of them to get them to coordinate

1:31:15 Because all three of them should be able to count to 100. And so he puts the 3 phones and has them talking to each other, and this is what ensues... Hey what's up guys? I got three of you here now the more the merrier I was thinking with your collective intelligence we could now count to 100 no problem. I just want to say that even Darren O'Neill was in the troll room saying, how can you John think that this is real? I gotta tell ya. I think it's real! I think is exactly what happens

1:32:10 I don't know why do you think it's not real? Well, you just did it by talking to the book of knowledge. Exactly! Two and we'll just go until we hit 100 ready? I'll start one Yep, I'm ready so I'll go after you let's keep it smooth and we'll just count straight through Go for it Awesome Perfect So I'll say one You say two And we'll just keep that rhythm going Ready Here We go One Exactly Perfect I'm ready Go ahead and say 1 and I'll jump in with 2 right after you Perfect. Exactly, so I said one now it's your turn go ahead with two and we'll keep the pace all the way up to a hundred Alright perfect So i'll say 2 and then you'll say 3 And we'll keep going one after the other You guys don't have to explain to each other how to count I think you guys know how to count? So just keep going

1:32:53 I'll continue now three and you'll say four just go straight through let's do it Perfect, I'll say five right after and we'll just keep it rolling until we get all the way there Yep, exactly. So I'll say five and we'll just keep that pattern going one after another until we reach a hundred Exactly also all right. I'm on it so if I said five and you'll say six And we'll just keep this rhythm going all the way until we hit 100 let's do it Exactly stop saying exactly Stop saying exactly Darren actually thinks its script is Darren. I'm gonna disagree with you This is the problem

1:33:40 And I'm kind of happy that you brought these clips because this is exactly where open AI is headed, where Claude has decided... Anthropic and Claude has decided they're all in on coding. Which I really think is not at enterprise scale level but every developer I know even the ones who hate AI they all use some form of large language model to assist in their development and why wouldn't you? Because it's a lot easier particularly for repetitive tasks But OpenAI is going all in on the chatbots. I think we're seeing a pivot and they want to be the robot in the kitchen, the robot on the desk and here's the chairman of OpenAI Brett Taylor

1:34:21 I think he was on CNBC. And Brett, back to OpenAI for a second Apple on Friday sued OpenAI over trade secrets alleging that they stole intellectual property or at least certain employees and the devices team did What do you make of that? How should we think about this lawsuit and any impact on open AI's hardware ambitions Well look just unequivocally We have no interest in other companies' trade secrets period full stop So we take these things really seriously It's being investigated I can't comment on it for obvious reasons Our focus on hardware is really simple. We just really want to achieve our mission, which is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits humanity I think it's really important explore the form factor of that intelligence I think you know You and I have kids are they gonna grow up staring at this glowing rectangle? And maybe a little too much just like I do or in this world conversational AI where we can actually just talk

1:35:12 to computers now, are there different form factors that can actually sort of be that next breakthrough? And so I think it's really exciting that companies not just open air exploring these new form factor. Yeah they're into magic tricks That's what OpenAI is doing and that'll be stupid because this stuff you write is not in the corpus It doesn't know Darren would you please use your prompting skills and get your AI to count from one to 100 I'd love to hear And I'd also love to see you on video because i've never seen what Darren looks like. But the real issues that are taking place is it's just too costly, It doesn't scale, It's not going to be a financial juggernaut for any one company and here's the CEO of Databricks and I know a lot about Databricks one my friends who is sales guy there

1:36:03 And they don't care what you do. They just want your data in their warehouse, that's all they do You want an Oracle? Fine it's in our warehouse! You want to use a LLM? Fine we'll give you whatever you want So these guys have no dog-in the hunt when it comes to what AI people are using and here is his take of whats really happening Well I mean look I think Frontier Labs are amazing and they're going to continue doing great Amazing But what happened basically is that everybody wants to do cost controls and they want to control their budgets because as one executive of a fortune 500 told me, his costs are increasing exponentially. His revenue is not increasing exponentially so if this continues he will go bankrupt

1:36:46 So he has to do something. So then open source is how they want it, you know? For the really difficult questions let's ask the frontier American models and pay a lot for it but for most of these mundane tasks that you're doing like hey take this field out of Salesforce and summarize it then enter into Workday use a cheap open source model. So that's what they want to do, but we're running so we are hosting these open source models like Kimi. We actually offer it to our customers and we're running out of GPUs everywhere. We ran out of GPUs almost in Asia there is like every country wants these GPUs Japan Korea United States India. So we just needed to go get a lot of these and that requires a lot of funding. That's actually what triggered this fundraise for us

1:37:31 Because you know we just were inundated with these requests. We need to get GPUs GPUs are costly to get, people are expecting that you're going pay for these So that's really what triggered the fundraise in the first place This Kimi k3 model is pretty amazing That's my tip of the day for today Sorry didn't mean to blow it Didn't mean to blow it Yeah I'll talk about later Anyway so Yeah, there's... you know I had a long conversation with Dave Jones about it on Friday's Podcasting 2.0 podcast and what i've noticed is that the real AI haters the real haters and he's one of them even though he uses it

1:38:15 is people in corporate environments have to deal with executives who come in and say, oh God. Yes like hey how can I just throw this in chat GPT? And it'll there's 150 page PDF and the it'll tell me the points of the contract Can you make sure that works And, you know or my buddy Paul who's a software developer and he keeps getting fired because you know they're like oh what are you using AI for? Well I'm kind of cautious with it. Ah no we want someone who is all in! We want someone whose AI native! Yeah that's a huge mistake. Companies like that are not going to last. You don't really wanna work for them even unless

1:39:02 What do you think about the water? This water thing I think may also be kind of bullcrap. The electricity, yeah but aren't they just using recycled water? That's what we would normally do. Yeah but like- Except if you have something that is going to use cooling towers for example it's kinda recycled water but a lot of it evaporates and goes out the top. No, you do use water. But there are closed systems Yeah lots of closed systems and but Aaron Brockowitz is back in the news with this It's meta it's Google its Amazon that are building these massive massive data centers so why are these

1:39:51 I'm not, i don't know. Why are these...I know it's polluting the water somehow what are the environmental impacts of these days? Polluting the water! So its water consumption so some data centers can use up to 30 million gallons of water so they're utilizing all the water from the aquifers and municipal waters own wells are reporting that their wells are running dry. They're having to dig deeper because of these mass amounts of water that these data centers required to stay cool, they have to be cool and so we're losing our water resources and it's interesting I almost brought this

1:40:31 We're losing... Where are they putting these? I mean, so there. I saw the map and was like oh wonder where I'm going to move to in 10 years because yeah there's very very few. There is nowhere to move too well the whole country is covered Correct, and the whole country is almost in drought restriction. And so you're going to consume more of our water resources to keep these data centers cool when there's other options? Other countries are looking at other options than just building them in our backyards. And they're literally in people's backyards, they're massive these things are the size of 20 super Walmarts or more." Nick the rat posting in the troll room and Nick would know because he lives in a sewer

1:41:21 Data center wastewater can be contaminated with cooling system chemicals like ethylene glycol and corrosive inhibitors. PFAS, whoo there's our buzzword from server hardware heavy metals from piping and bacteria such as cupriavitis gillardii These pollutants can severely disrupt local water reclamation treatment facilities. Oh Nick the rat would know Here's what I want you to say There's no evidence anyone wants to use these AIs. People love using these AIs! I know, that's the problem... That's the problem. Well maybe China is laughing at us like ha-ha Oh well you know there was a thing where I see had a story about that

1:42:12 Where is it? Yes, here it is. China's birth rate dropped to a record low in 2025 the total number of births was just below 8 million that's a 17% drop from the year before well now Beijing wants to get rid of relationships with AI chat bots new regulations went into effect yesterday to set emotional boundaries between humans and AI The hope is that by discouraging virtual companionship, people will be inclined to have more babies in real life. Matt Sheehan joins us now he is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace his research covers global tech issues with a focus on China. Matt good morning and welcome this is fascinating how can you regulate out relationships with AI chatbots but how

1:42:59 Is this being done and could this really help China's fertility crisis do you think? So they have requirements in a few different buckets. They really want to prevent addiction to these companions, they want to prevent people from becoming psychologically dependent on them and they want to prevent sort of psychological harms that might come from forming... Pardon me? He says the same thing he says they want to prevent addiction and you don't want people become psychologically dependent yeah That's the same thing. Same? Okay, I understand these deep relationships and they have extra protections for minors so on the addiction front they have mandatory time limits for minors they have you to remind people that they're having a conversation with AI not a human on things like psychological impacts if this set up an emergency contact when you form one of these accounts have a relationship with a

1:43:50 companion I want you to be my psych my emergency contact in case I get involved with my AI and if it seems like the Conversation is veering into sort of dangerous territory since thinking about hurting themselves Then they have to the company has to alert the emergency contact for that person none of this None of this is going in the right direction. This is all so bad So bad, yeah It's all the marketing. This is Silicon Valley. That's these guys are the problem Well, yeah but it's either the AI is either God or it's gonna kill you. There's nothing in between. It's gonna bring everything down and now they're all talking about I was listening to the All-In Pod with J Cal best moderator in the world. Yeah, nobody says that to bother you! I know he does and they were talking well we need a public like FINRA what is that? A public

1:44:48 Like an industry group where they regulate themselves. Oh, yeah sure Yeah right That'll do it now I think all that all they really want is just let's just regulate everything so no one can get Kimmy We don't want anyone getting Kimmy and got to use our frontier models Frontier front here and tear that's a good time to be alive though John It's a good time to be alive when the tech journalists are stupider than ever Yeah, yeah. They don't have it well. Yeah, he'd used to be look at this phone is amazing look at the screen Look on his rounded edges who I got the new phone you just came out You want you suffered through years of that on twit years? Oh the new phone At least you had a cool trick you could do

1:45:37 You say, let me see it. Yes, it's still a good trick people should out there I don't know if I should be promoting the trick but it is a good one. I remember you did to me and I found very distressing Yeah, I'll bet it did! Sometimes you have to do research to figure out how to undo the trick Yes, what the trick is you get somebody to say can I look at your phone for a second? You take a look at their phone and then go through the languages and change the language of the phone to Chinese. Or Korean or Russian doesn't matter. And then you go back to the home screen quick And you go back as long as you give the phone back. Yeah, yeah. It's a great gag! You did that every other week on Twit. It was one of my favorite gags and I think one of the reasons why you eventually were not asked to come back... I was kicked off, yes people got sick of it. People should know in advance how to go to the language tab and switch back so

1:46:36 Yeah, none of this is really good. But you know we have a lot of young people who are hating on AI and that's good yeah Oh yeah but that's not good either No like you said I took the point of view at the chat bus being bogus You know kind of dumb and you took it side of the AI you know it can do some minor coding And it can but you said yourself even though its minor coding why don't you read for example that thing I wanted you to put aside. The report, it generated a report, the status report of what Adam uses this for he has a little script that he tells the AI to take the spreadsheet that we do for the donation segment and sort it so he had... So the Knights are separated out, the various executive and associate executive producers

1:47:33 spread out and the switcheroos are all incorporated. So he doesn't have to do it, even though we have so few on this list that you could do it in five minutes but he wants the robot to do it and so he has...so the robot does it and we get a status report every Every so often and he got one recently that is just unbelievable to read. Yeah I'm trying to see if I can bring that back. I mean, I'm stalling I was doing a pretty good job of it. I know you're doing it and I'm finding... Yeoman's Job! I was doing a yeoman which we call a yeoman's job of stalling by yakking away about pretty much nothing So you could go find that thing which you said you were gonna read but then you obviously

1:48:14 And how do you spell yeoman? How do you spell Yeoman, is that Y-E-O or Y-E-O? I mean i'm looking at my screen here and I could give you five different versions of the same thing. I went to one that had dog food in it. I'm trying to bring it up, if it comes back up all a reader to you dog food oh wait let me hear it let me see is this the one? It's doing nothing more than a simple sort and reorg well meanwhile it catches bull crap

1:48:51 Long lecture about what it's doing as though it some I guess inventing the a-bomb Okay, my reasoning here. The tell was uniform drift Credits was drifting, but so were stage plate and art all in the same shape at the same time. When multiple distinct tasks fail identically the cause isn't per task quality – redoing credits better wouldn't fix it – it's structural! The delivery channel So I stopped correcting outputs and looked at the layer underneath The actual root cause? The code words I was relaying via inbox landed on my side as tool output not user prompt

1:49:29 The doctrine including the rule heavy credit spec is injected by user prompt submit hook. The tool output never fires that hook so the credits doctrine simply wasn't being injected and he freelanced I'm freelancing for you right now all of this all the only way you can make stuff work is is what the AI calls a gate. So you tell it to do something and then it checks its work just like its code, and then it can say oh, it failed for some reason but you can't really put it up front and say do it this way and do it this way consistently because it just won't every single time you start something It's fresh! It doesn't know...it doesn't remember what we did yesterday But I have built some amazing little tools for myself

1:50:21 that it's coded. I have a GitHub, Adam C199 go take a look and that's been great you know is it worth the subscription? Yeah! I think so basically an intern and if does if I say art you know take the article create three sizes for me for say credits just the credit sometimes gets the switcheroo good You know what saves me this copy paste crap that I have to do And then I have another function where it creates the transcript and the chapters. That's reasonably consistent, except for the dog...I don't see the dog food thing here anymore unfortunately. Yeah that is a different message but that one got to me. Dog fooded!

1:51:12 There's some really useful things and your computer will have this built in, your new computer all the AMD Ryzen chips and the new Apple stuff. And it'll be on your phone. I think you'll see some interesting projects but idea that there will be these companies that run your life with their AI...I don't see it! I don't see them scaling, I don't see it working. You know? Also this hatred of AI in music I lived through this several times. When we had drum machines, when we had samplers... Oh my lord! Sampling is... Oh no! This is not music! And then we got digital audio workstations and it enabled people with very minimal musical talents to make a song you know?

1:52:07 It's like, this is quote-unquote progress. Live with it. A studio on a laptop? Yeah! I remember that transition too when the Hit Factory in New York had to go out of business And all the guys would run around putting tapes on big 24-track machines. Yeah, this is what happens! You know Sammy Hagar... No it's not a Sammy Hagar I'm sorry Eddie Van Halen could barely play half of the licks he played live on some of the Van Halen records because he did it all in the studio It was all chopped together He had to learn how to do it before they went out on tour This is nothing new

1:52:48 But the people who figure out how to use it, they're going to have benefit. It's gonna... you know? They'll do something with it. Keep going on and on! What else am I gonna say? It's like, I'm not a total Luddite. I think the chatbots are dangerous just dangerous. I don't know if they're dangerous that's pretty funny if you listen to these clips I play No but its dangerous because people are conditioned to think that's real So you mentioned the protests You know the younger some people are pushing back on this I had to play this clip This is a local clip from the Bay Area And we don't have protests around here like, you know any sort of no kings. We have multiple protests going on simultaneously. Here's from yesterday three major national protests going on at once and one of them was a protest on the bridge over here

1:53:44 a pedestrian bridge across Highway 80, which is filled with potholes protesting AI. But listen to this clip on the peninsula. A group of protesters in Redwood City were part of a national call to action against ice. It follows two recent fatal shootings in Maine and Texas involving federal ICE officers. Organizers say protests were planned in more than 50 US cities In the East Bay, a conservative advocacy group protested against AI data centers. Some support from drivers there this morning, a small group of demonstrators held signs on the Interstate 80 pedestrian bridge in Berkeley. Organizers say they want to slow down data center development and stop big tech from infringing on local communities. Protests were planned in more than 50 locations across the country. Bay Area protests were also planned in Livermore and Gilroy.

1:52:48 But the people who figure out how to use it, they're going to have benefit. It's gonna... you know? They'll do something with it. Keep going on and on! What else am I gonna say? It's like, I'm not a total Luddite. I think the chatbots are dangerous just dangerous. I don't know if they're dangerous that's pretty funny if you listen to these clips I play No but its dangerous because people are conditioned to think that's real So you mentioned the protests You know the younger some people are pushing back on this I had to play this clip This is a local clip from the Bay Area And we don't have protests around here like, you know any sort of no kings. We have multiple protests going on simultaneously. Here's from yesterday three major national protests going on at once and one of them was a protest on the bridge over here

1:53:44 a pedestrian bridge across Highway 80, which is filled with potholes protesting AI. But listen to this clip on the peninsula. A group of protesters in Redwood City were part of a national call to action against ice. It follows two recent fatal shootings in Maine and Texas involving federal ICE officers. Organizers say protests were planned in more than 50 US cities In the East Bay, a conservative advocacy group protested against AI data centers. Some support from drivers there this morning, a small group of demonstrators held signs on the Interstate 80 pedestrian bridge in Berkeley. Organizers say they want to slow down data center development and stop big tech from infringing on local communities. Protests were planned in more than 50 locations across the country. Bay Area protests were also planned in Livermore and Gilroy.

1:54:34 The man who encouraged millions to get into some good trouble continues to inspire new generations. At events all across the country, the sixth annual Good Trouble Lives On Weekend of Action is honoring John Lewis, the late congressman and civil rights leader. He was a big leader and we want to have a tribute for him and honor him in his contributions because they're indelible in the civil rights and voting rights realm in this country. And we're having a lot of step backs right now, a lot of going backwards two steps back but were fighting just like they fought back in the 60s

1:55:14 Wow, man. You live in a crazy part of the country. It's like everywhere! There is this protest going on here and there is another one over here and they're all organized. They are all bull crap. And they'd like to protest against ISIS... Everybody was over 80. The protests over here at Berkeley were all teenagers Oh really? Yeah about AI protests where they were all kids Yeah, well they've been PSYOP too and I think you're right it's bad. It is a bad idea that they are so anti-AI because they have been told they are never going to have a job. Elon told them that... They're all telling him that but he should at least learn a little bit about him not the chatbots. The chatbots suck!

1:56:00 And they lie. That's not if you want to put up comedic Videos well yeah, there's a there's yes I'm sure that guys are business and right raking in the dough Yeah whenever I drive through Dripping Springs on the way to Austin and so your you know that's dripping springs is now pretty much a suburb of Austin because Austin has grown So big and so that's all Lib Tards, and this is one intersection on the main drag and they're out there all day long. No kings, no ice... They still have no king signs all day long in the rain doesn't matter what the weather is it's unbelievable so alright well that's rightly depressing not really a little bit let me see was anything else you wanted to do before

1:56:56 Yeah, I got a couple of things here. Let's talk about Ukraine blowing up a Russian warehouse which is...I guess their TIMU warehouse in Russia. Oh no! Ukraine's leader says its country has struck major logistics facilities in two Russian regions In a social media post on Saturday President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine attacked logistics and other facilities in the Moscow and Tambov regions Zelensky said the logistics sites were supplying components for the production of drones and other equipment. The governor of Tambov said the drone strike by Ukraine on a warehouse of Russia's major online retailer Wildberries in Kotovsk killed seven people and injured more than 20 others

1:57:40 The governor called the Ukrainian strike an inhumane terrorist attack. He said the unmanned aerial vehicles were equipped with warheads designed to increase casualties Meanwhile, the governor of Moscow region also said on Saturday that Ukraine carried out a drone strike on another Wild Berries warehouse injuring more than 20 people Russian investigative authorities say they're treating the incidents as terrorist attacks Yeah, they gotta watch out. Ukraine's got a defense minister just got fired in Ukraine. They've gotta watch out. Well I think if they're putting these bombs with the anti-personnel stuff in it is a war crime but are they gonna indict Zelensky? I don't think so. They're not going to do that. Hey listen to this liar

1:58:33 I had it checked and i want to be straight with you. I have no record of a failure involving dog fooding now you heard me read it oh yeah, he said dog fooding nothing in my memory files this session or any prior session transcript contains dog food at all What's he went in denial for? I thought dog fooding was a great reference to the, I'll tell you what they mean. For people don't obviously nobody is going to know what this is a reference to. It sounds like dog food. Is it eating your own dog food isn't that the reference? This is a reference Microsoft and other big companies in Silicon Valley would always, it was called eating your own dog food and it referred to using your software

1:59:22 at the desktop instead of Best of Breed, because the tendency was always to use Best of Breed. Best of Breed which is another buzz term from Silicon Valley. Best of Breed was like you say using spreadsheets who used a real high quality one but no we actually make a spreadsheet Bill! You use our spreadsheet, we eat our own dog food and that's what that's a reference too We know too much about this crap. Well, I think we are clearly the frontier of all podcasts with a frontier podcast. So I agree we are the front here and i'd like to thank you for your courage say in the morning to You the man who put the sea and decks ember sail on my friend on the other end that won me only mr John Yeah, good morning to you Mr Adam Corrini our ships to see boosts at the ground

2:00:18 I don't know, boots on the ground, subs in the water. Days and nights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room! Let me count you for a second. 1,592 trolls peak trollage listening to your No Agenda stream which is where you can listen to us live The troll room... You know there's so many unhappy people in Gitmo Nation And it's reflected into donations Yes Well, I mean, It must be us We're not trying to depress anybody. No, but they're angry they're depressed it's like... I blame Israel! Yeah hey I'm with you on that in this case you're correct Israel is the problem is the reason for our donations You're right

2:01:10 I would like to remind people that there are independent software developers. There are people who make things that aren't spying on you or maybe just don't suck and legacy podcast apps, they kind of suck for a number of reasons one You're not going to listen to a live stream in a legacy podcast app But you can with the some of the new ones The modern ones go to podcastapps.com find one you'll see it We've got all the all the features listed right there And this is really the huge benefit, when we publish the show within 90 seconds your podcast app is notified and it's good to go. You might have even already downloaded by that time We continue to be value for value I got a very angry note this morning about Value For Value and you know...we had a new producer show up who...and the way...you know..we really don't care if you want to plug something If you're going support the show

2:02:08 You can pretty much say anything, wouldn't you say? I mean we ever... Yeah. Or unless it goes on too long. If it goes on too long and this is from Brian Klein he says It's truly amazing that you'd flush the whole concept of value for value down the toilet for some stupid VPN advertisement You could have just taken money from this VPN concern, honestly. Pulled the John Robotting voice stunt as an obvious joke and it would've been fine Instead you've insulted everyone's intelligence with this little piece of manipulation later trying to blame it on an earthquake

2:02:50 I mean, and i'm like what are you talking about? Now listen to what he's talking about. I'm talking about the NLP psychological manipulation of pulling the stunt of John's connection going out and his voice roboting right as you guys read an ad for a VPN implanting the idea in the minds of the audience oh we're good We're good. That internet connections are unstable, they need to consume network services Oh and hey how convenient we just happen to have one up next to talk about Maybe this company had a much larger donation off the books for that premium read huh? I wish! Maybe this whole scheme was John or Mimi's idea Just like the tip of the day to Amazon affiliate link pipeline that has been going on for awhile

2:03:43 We don't have any. Do you have an affiliate link to the Amazon tip of the day? We've talked about this, here's the deal with the affiliate link we got so many notes saying were idiots if you're gonna plug a Bama's on product at least give us a chance to buy it through a link okay and do we go after after yeah after years yes About three months ago. I said Jay why don't you set up a link program, and we'll just use that We do that way on the Instagram where do we do it? Yeah on the Instagram That's how he put the Instagram account out 4,000 of our Instagram follow all 4000 people there We're raking it in we have got no money so far But this beside the point but then so the point is but but we did it So now everyone says because they went like this You guys are stupid

2:04:38 How stupid can you be for plugging this and let everybody else take the link? The link juice. And so okay, well fine we've been set up the Instagram account and that was a pain in the ass because Amazon said boy haven't got enough people You're not enough of an influencer. We can't give you links." What? You got no juice, man! So we had to pump it and once you get the 2,000 followers... Okay, you guys have a link now. This is like in the background going on so we were doing some work here but it's like the fact that anyone thinks that this is done on The Up & Up they're nuts. No, It's all on The Up & Up. I said are you really accusing me of setting that up this is when your... And it happened again today

2:05:27 By the way, I would love to be that complicated. I saw my quad screen go out again at the same time... Oh NLP! Yeah at the same time your link dropped and that was during the BinFace clip Right You had to reconnect and I remain of the belief That it's possible that Silicon Valley, something is going on with the internet over there because you're in that area. But so this guy is saying I made that up, I created the effect of you sounding like a robot

2:06:06 And that was all to promote, what is it? I forget the name of the VP. Yeah one of the VPs... I don't know if he's there we'll talk about it of course and so I said are you really accusing me of setting that up are you out of your mind this is very insulting what you're saying here after 20 years do you think we would compromise? I think its complimentary! Are you kidding? I cannot believe you're saying this. He comes back and says, well it's obvious John is doing it behind your back Oh brother That was the best! That is fabulous The guy needs his own podcast He's a winner

2:06:55 He needs a podcast. That's usually my comeback is you need your own podcasts. This is too good. He does, this like a communist under every sheet kind of thing. This is too good! Wow Anyway, so we just do value for value. It's almost like the Stern Show you know someone appear on the Stern Show and they say hey you got any plugs? People plug their book, their movie, their tour, their comedy tour... That's what you do when you go on those shows! Why would you go in a show without something to plug?! And yeah and we read stuff even under the cutoff sometimes it all depends if we like our product were honest about it I haven't used the VPN product You haven't heard me say this thing is the best

2:07:35 I certainly don't think... I do use one. I used one for a long time and Mimi has one, a different one. Yeah? And yeah, I'd play with this other one if it gives me an account. Yeah, some freebie! And the smart producers who send us some products They get extra stuff. Yeah, when we get some gigawatt coffee sends us coffee. Yeah. He gets little John Candy sends us candy. Oh yeah they send stuff as cool stuff and then Manuka honey We get all kinds of honey and the Manuka honey stuff it's just because people love it so much that we got that we used to have a

2:08:15 Cal from lavenderblossoms.org, we use his product a lot. He came in with some salt. Yeah, we got some... We exfoliate! I mean, we're rolling in product here people this is so good It's not like the good old days when I was writing for PC Magazine and I got computers. Yeah or a car Delivered whole computers loaded to the gills. I remember I only once got a computer from Apple an Apple II And eight years later, they asked for it back. Oh you should have told me when you did that bull crap there's what are they going to do with it? It was the guy was Daniel Paul very nice guy he is no longer at Apple I think he left a long time ago and he was doing outreach and he sent me the apple 2

2:09:01 And it was fantastic. And then later I had to send it back, like okay all right. No that's a... you reacted improperly. They sent me a box yeah It's an inventory thing they have this issue and so just tell them that you discarded it Well I didn't know you back then So, and of course I knew yeah, of course Sun Microsystems sent me the sun Voyager and they never asked for that back. That was a that wasn't awesome machine. That'd be nice. But you know what? It blew up it literally blew up he was and it was a prototype and I'm an idiot because it was a prototype and had a color screen and it ran Solaris

2:09:46 And everything on it was hand built and hand soldered. So you couldn't really wow yeah I lost that in a divorce somewhere. Oh, I should have kept along with my life to go on with my leather jackets and other stuff Yeah Yeah, there's a bar. I think that was used as a doorstop that way let's not talk about that Let's talk about value for value and the things that people do such as create artwork for us and upload that to know agenda art generated comm which by itself is very valuable a Valuable product that Paul Couture maintains force we have so many people doing so many lovely things for this show over the years it is appreciated because

2:10:25 We wouldn't be able to sustain any of this without the fight and I'm going to change it now from time, talent or treasure. It's time, talent and treasure. You know at a certain point even if you're doing art you should consider popping in a few bucks we can't live without money that's just a fact then we do want to complete at least 20 years that would be nice What do you say? Oh, absolutely. Shh! Mimi's listening So when we saw the fabulous Darren O'Neill once again coming in with a piece of art like this is just too valuable This is so incredibly good and he did tweak this He told me that he had to adjust they did some stuff in Photoshop. So he's doing what you should do

2:11:15 is you use the AI stuff as a tool and you manage it. You manage it however you have to, whether you're re-prompting or putting that into a different AI... whatever it is! And this Taco Bell takeoff with the toilet was just so good I mean both of us were like right down to the liquid color in the bowl It had explosive diarrhea written all over it It was just fabulous. And we also called the show Cytoshotosis, which I mean it was just meta it was so meta they can't help it Darren knows what he's doing! I even asked him to do some art for another show. It's funny that he knows what he's doing is such an extreme but he doesn't believe that Husk guy's discussions with the AI chatbot are real and thinks they're scripted which would be too much work well

2:12:10 Well, you don't have to script insanity. He says that he got his chat GPT to do it right away and the guy's just not prompting right now is probably something to it. There's probably something to that anyway let's take a look we had a couple of pieces of art that were looking at Although I think it was the toilet. Not really! The toilet one kind of hands down lots of people came in with poisoned lettuce There was, Darren did another Taco Bell kind of thing Was not nearly as good Yeah, you know people are getting into that overcomplicating stuff again like simple is better. This is album art it's small It's not gonna hang on somebody's wall where you stand in front of it like at the art gallery Like wow look at all the detail all this cool stuff

2:13:01 It doesn't work. And also, if you have to get the joke from the title of your art it can't get chosen and its hard because we sometimes see like oh that's funny but its only if you have a title of the art If you don't understand... Yes this is a huge problem Its an ongoing thing So don't try to make it too complicated with little signs and little bits and bobs, and little visual images in the background. It just doesn't work with artwork. It has to be big bold and simple. And Darren gets that he really does so congratulations Darren O'Neill you are the man hands down You are the man we appreciate it appreciate all the work that everybody does I mean it's all appreciated no agenda art generator calm now the treasure portion

2:13:48 And, wow. What is this? Is this synonymous of dog patch and lower slobovia who comes in and saves the day once again because he feels that we are valuable to the world at general, at large?" Yes it is! I wonder... What do you mean? Jay, first one that pointed this out, this sounds like him mostly But there are anomalies that make me wonder if our sire animus has been, the assignment has been passed on to a new person. Someone's taken over the assignment? There is some evidence of that Well let me read it So he sent in or sire animus of Dogpatch and Lois Labovia sent us $3350

2:14:44 And I presume this was cash with some $2 bills? Yes. Okay, so that's- Which is another anomaly because instead of the one or two $2 bills that are normally incorporated there was five Freshly minted, beautiful collectible condition $2 bills adding up to ten dollars which rounded it up to 33.33 50 which was unusual in itself around the other anomalies that we know from first of all Now this just may be the scan but it looks a little wobbly, but that's probably just the scan. From Sir Anonymous of Dogpatch in Lowest Lobovia... Thank you to all producers that contribute their expertise and of course thank you John and Adam for keeping serious issues openly discussed and helping us smile at the Sisyphian nature of many of these topics I need help what is Sis-fee-an?

2:15:41 That's one of the anomalies that I would not expect. Look it up, ask the Book of Knowledge. Okay...Book of Knowledge. Alright. Book of Knowledge What does Sisyphean mean? No, it's...it can't even... According to the book of knowledge the page on that subject has not yet been written. It...it...thus...it carded as...it has been written... Sisyphean, he spelled it with a C. This is Sisyphus thing, its got some Greek or Roman or...it's Greek I think because there's some...some...I don't know to be honest. I don't have...Sisyphean? Sisipheen? Hold on let me try sisiphene

2:16:22 Book of Knowledge, give me the definition of Sisyphean. Now it can't even get this spelling right! It doesn't know... According to The Book Of Knowledge, the page on that subject has not yet been written before. I'll continue with a note. It has been Jewish and Muslim resumes or resumes? Resume. Is it resume have about once Jewish and Muslim resumes have about one second to leave a positive impression so drink strong coffee and use some manuka honey to ease your pain sorry for a long absence just busy times in my professional world he's never done that either although I can see him doing that

2:17:14 Okay, the spacing is wrong. The leading is wrong on this letter The triple spacing between the paragraphs is net is very uncommon I looked at old one He never does a joke like this he gets fonts right never does jokes the font is different He never mentioned Jews. He's a Muslim it but you know, I don't think that's one thing or one way or another But it just hasn't been done And then to do a joke which is referring to our other donors, is unusual. There's that and then there's the $2 bill thing but the real giveaway to me was the envelope. Oh well I don't have a copy of that here on my screen No reason to you wouldn't know this

2:18:04 He is very consistent with where he places the address. For five years, the address... it's over about two-thirds and down about 2 thirds is right in a certain spot This one was over dead center in the envelope Now could it be that he outsourced to somebody? Yeah, it's possible but let me finish with the real kicker He's always over dozens and dozens and dozens of notes, it's always been no agenda slash Jay Dvorak bucks 339 El Cerrito California. Always! And I brought it up on a show about two years ago was he keep doing this is sly you just sent to no agenda

2:18:54 And I think you pointed out that in the newsletter, I specifically say here's the mailing address. It's in the PS, I believe it says no agenda slash J Dvorak, which he always puts this one would just said no agenda. It was put in a different spot and it just said no agenda did not have to slash J Dvorak very different And the final kicker... Wait, there's more! This is where we do analysis. I hope he doesn't- He puts a piece of scotch tape on the back very rare. I hope he's not insulted No, he shouldn't be but it's the different guy so it is a piece of Scotch tape on the back which he rarely does Wow

2:19:47 But now it's possible that he was just maybe has a secretary, new girl. Maybe somebody else does the work and... That's possible. He has a new printer, he has got a new computer. All these are possibilities out of the blue." The note was kind of for a guy who hasn't been around for... we haven't heard from him in two or three months. It is very terse and had kind of lackluster joke in it. I'm just wondering Well, we appreciate the support. We love it! Love the donation. The new guy's doing... you know he is fine I don't know if we have a new guy? The new guys good but let's But usually his notes are longer more thoughtful there's a message in there yeah this also no code in here you know doesn't seem like a numerical code to trigger something Yeah now on the other hand there's a couple of tells that are

2:20:49 I checked. And there's a couple things that are the same, that are distinctive. And one of them is he doesn't use an M dash when he writes and usually uses a dash just to one... Is this an M dash I'm seeing here? An M no that's not an M dash it's two dashes put together Yeah this is regular dash So he uses 1-dash and he does it consistently and he does probably pretty much every note has one dash in there somewhere At the bottom he says, sorry for a long absence dash. Just busy times in my professional world. That use of the single dash instead of an M-dash which is what would be more appropriate if you're a writer is consistent so there's that and everything else you know it's pretty much the same

2:21:46 Can you check the printer watermark? You know, I think you need a device to do that. I don't have it. Can't just do it with lemon juice and a candle? I don't know... Sorry. And I didn't keep-I don't keep the old notes so I'd have to compare like can be done It's probably because I've gone out of my way not to do anything that would track him I've had people at the house and said, oh you know we're gonna give it to us. We have other people that can try this really tell you what is no not interested Okay, okay? That's that okay. Oh my yes. I think I'm up Yes, you are Okay, we go to Michelle when math three I guess in st.. Petersburg Florida six six seven twenty

2:22:48 And, first thing I do is hit the arrow key and it jerks everywhere. In the morning Adam & John this donation is a switcheroo! It's for Hans Mathre from wife Michelle and son Jens. Hans will be 50 on Monday, July 20th I don't know if he's on the list because it is in blue. Yeah we have a night yes oh on the birthday list? This plus last year's birthday switcheroo donation brings him to knighthood He would like to be called Sir

2:23:25 Skibbity of St. Petersburg, Florida. Yeah he's here. Unless that name is already taken actually knight names can be duplicated Yes Then please use Sir Mastery of Sinnoh we're using Skibbity Would you be willing to serve LMNT Element? Yes Element And Lutefisk Lutefisk At the table today Also would you be willing to play an L Sharpton clip compilation Hans is a dude named Ben who rarely misses the pre-show and live stream show. He's he hit both of us in the mouth, he laughs at our poor graphic design when we try to make show art and has taken us to some fun no agenda meetups many thanks to you gentlemen in your families for all the value over that many years! You are THE value and the best damn podcast in the universe. I resist we much

2:24:21 We must. They're all jitty about a shutdown, the tortice in the race then co-author of Who Briefs? You too lead singer Bono, Fran Drescher, Sigourney Weaver, suspect Jahar Sinaev Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh The show Rush Lombard hosts Supreme Court Justice Sonia Santamaya is Mike muckery yesterday and Tony Antony mean Scalia Kim Kardashian and the Republican candidates of Cairo and Benghazi we rank behind lot V La Vita first up Kazakhstan Kazakhstan to college students in Beijing he's getting lunch at Chipotle you know I in Iowa Bain is appropriate

2:25:16 The GOP's tax day giveaway to millionaires. Why was traffic problems email sent? The Environmental Projection Agency and what sequestration has done... I hadn't heard that one in a long time, so good! Thank you Michelle Hey, there's Manuka Gold in Hudson Florida. 333 and 33 cents and they say from the Manuka Gold family thank you again for all you gentlemen do week after week! In a world full of false narratives we are glad to keep supporting the show exclusively for NOAA agenda listeners through the entire month of July use code FREEDOM at manukagold.com for an extra 20% off your top shelf Manuka honey products stay healthy it's rough out there

2:26:06 Yeah, you're gonna have to read this one. It blows out my spreadsheet. No problem sir. Too long! Sir Desi dude of Liberty Village he's in Toronto and Candanavia 257 and 94 cents ITM guys I started returning value to the show in March of 2016 but cancelled my $25 Canadian month-to-month donation last February because I thought I could find a way to save on fees. I couldn't some So I'm going to send you a bigger annual donation from now. More than a decade later, No Agenda remains the best podcast in the universe and this donation makes me a barren in Canadian dollar-ette so I'd like to claim Liberty Village in Old Toronto where I've lived for over 20 years

2:26:47 According to Wikipedia, the neighborhood is named after Liberty Street which earned its nickname because it was the very first road that released prisoners who walked down upon gaining their freedom. However I think it's way cooler than during both world wars Liberty Village shifted from a civilian manufacturing hub into one of Canada's most critical wartime munitions and armament centers The footprint of some of those old buildings remain, but they have mostly been converted into condos and the population density is hard to believe. Thanks for all that you do! And finally I'd like to shout out Deez Nuts who i haven't seen in months but he's my longest local no agenda connection He helped keep me sane through COVID and for that I am forever grateful Sir Desi Dude of Liberty Village." And I'm surprised because I don't see him on the

2:27:38 The list we have no title changes. So what happened there? I'll fix it I'll fix it right now in real time while you read that while you get the next one Well, you do that. I go to West Stewart Yeah, make Wes Stewart is in Mesa Arizona and came with 250 which is the celebratory donation for the 250th anniversary United States of America Declaration of Independence He says, can I get a de-douching and a goat sharma? You've been de-douched. You've got sharma. All right. Got that done. That was easy. Dame Melivation Colorado Springs, Colorado $250 for our 250th American birthday and she has a note here and let's see what she says. Greetings gents! Oh it's nice little paper here

2:28:35 I'm late to the 250th celebration, but let the party continue. I sent in a $250 donation early in May but got too busy working to hit you up on July 4th Sorry! Here's 250 bucks idiot set off fireworks even though Colorado is burning Excuse me thank you for the rain stick shake yeah really helped out here We got some good rain for a few days. Our biggest fire at 97,000 acres went from 14% to 28% contained the stick works! That's a bumper sticker. The Stick Works that's a show title. Yeah let me write that down... The Stick Works all right okay

2:29:18 Where am I? Blessings and peace. Blessings and peace and joy on everyone in Gitmo Nation, and even on the poor mentally disturbed lefties we all need Jesus amen! Thankful for JCD & AC Melanie Dries aka Dame Melovation it says PS over but i don't have the oversight. Was there something on the back? Well, I don't have it here unfortunately. Yeah... Don't know! Okay all right well that's probably not Jay is pregnant she's all over the map now I'm sure it was. Typically a PS is no need to read on the air. Okay, good point. Linda Lou Patkins up she's in Castle Rock Colorado $200 and she writes in jobs karma your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't for a resume that gets results go to image makers Inc com Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience so employers

2:30:18 see their value. That's image makers, Nic with a K and Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes best, Linda. Jobs jobs jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Alright now we go to Another associate executive producer survivor of aneurysm $200 hey fellas got another switcheroo for you going to give this one to my friend Christine bonus again She's getting dangerously close to Dame status. Well, that's interesting because she actually is listed as a dame in the In our notes but she's not really a dame yet Dangerously close it's okay we catch these things on the fly

2:31:02 Adam, I have one request. I'm a huge fan from back in your MTV days and was wondering if you still have any Headbangers Ball headshots? If so it would mean a lot to me to get a signed copy along with one for a very long time friend who is also a huge heavy metal fan! If not, I totally understand...I also want to know John's favorite Def Leppard album. Okay, that's leopard too. Okay? That's a joke keep up the good work and thank you for your courage survivor of aneurysm I know unfortunately like my leather jackets like the bar of gold Like this Solaris Voyager or The Sun voyager I have no headshots of I do have I did find some MTV business cards

2:31:52 that I still have. Why don't you send one of those to send it off? You know, there's a story behind that because when they gave all of the VJs business cards and it said... Something quaint about that And it said VJ and I said I don't want this And they said, well how about on-air personality? I said no. How about just Adam Curry? How about no title underneath it? Oh no! We can't do that. Why not? Well someone might think you're an executive. Okay... But eventually they relented and I have MTV business cards with just Adam Curry on it. That's that little MTV logo. That's probably collectible. It'd be cool if it said VJ

2:32:38 Back in the day, I didn't think that was a very cool thing. And that wraps up our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1887. We thank everybody $50 and above but we always break for our executive and associate executive producers so if you send us two hundred dollars or more for an episode not only do we guarantee read your note even if your VPN company it's not a problem. It was unbroken VPN? Can't remember the name of it But we also give you the Hollywood credit, approved credit of Associate Executive Producer. And you can use that anywhere Hollywood credits are recognized including IMDB dot com $300 or more and become an executive producer It's been that way for every single episode of our show that we've done this We have never put inflation into play We've always kept it the same way What is 300 bucks? What was that in 2008 money

2:33:35 I'm gonna say it's probably about 175 bucks. Yeah, it's not much! No So we've never changed that Well that's what Alan Bean did when he said gave us the up-to-ante from sending us our normal $50 a month to 100. Well he's a nice guy and then he takes uh... He's a baron That's why he's a baron Probably at Duke by now Um so we thank you profusely and We want you to enjoy those credits And thank you for supporting The NO Agenda Show Our formula is this We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Continuing, everybody above 50. There's Nathan Cochran from the hit-making band and movie Mercy Me! He is in Franklin Tennessee he is a knight he always forget to tell us his night name 123.45 they're going out on their I think they are going into studio now John so I'll let you know when they got some hot wax that there dropping I know your love the mercy me boys

2:34:40 We have Mansour Raad, Mansoor Raad in Alpharetta Georgia also with 1 2 3 4 5. Baronet Sir Fat Dad in North Little Rock Arkansas 100 he says it's interesting he says oh this he's from down under now he says that hundred bucks is a hundred and sixty nine dollar reduce I raced the BMX World Championships on Brisbane on Wednesday When I return, I shall donate again and regale with you stories of how badly I lost. He's a fat dude on a BMX bike but we love him! And he has been doing that forever Thank You Baronet Sir Fat Dad And there is the Archduke of Luna lover of America and boobs Sir Kevin McLaughlin he is in Concord North Carolina with his boob donation every single show $80.08 put it into the calculator kids you'll get it he says God bless America and boobs Laos Deo Dame Becky Arlington Washington

2:35:29 69, 96. That's a good one! Rebecca Haugh. Oh here we go Rebecca Haugh is in USA and Italy... Tennessee I guess But she, oh that's right. She's been...oh we do have this day! It's Dame Hood from my July 18th birthday That was yesterday I'm so happy I can count on the greatest podcast in universe no agenda You help me sort through crazy news and news not covered at all always offering well-needed chuckles For the roundtable i'd like to add authentic Italian Oh brother Penny Arabiata?

2:36:11 Penne? Is it penne? Penne, yeah. Hold on a second now I gotta put this in because i didn't have that yet Arrabbiata, that's the... Arrabbiata is the pasta sauce that just a conglomerate of whatever you got left over. You just throw it all in there. It was made by the... It's called a whores. Like ratatouille? It's the whores' pasta sauce. Some woman did it. The story goes back to some woman of the night on the side and then when her husband would come home she had to throw something together real fast. And so she just made this sauce which was, it got olives in it, everything! It's a hooker pasta is what it is. A hooker pasta. Yeah basically. All right and for dessert profiteroles you bet can I also have a little suffering sacotash we're all gonna die and jobs karma? I was very unprepared for all of this

2:37:09 Uh, but I can do that. By the way olives in pasta sauce is quite good Oh it's tasty for sure Suffer and suck a tash! I'm Scott Simon We're all dying Jobs jobs jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs! And her dame name will be Rebecca at the mic Ah that's right She does professional voiceovers. I would love to work with other yes, I would love to work with another Noah Jeznit businesses find me at LoveThatRebecca.com hugs from Dame Rebecca at the mic Love you guys the trolls dames and knights and all the no agenda fans in the morning Thank You Rebecca that's wonderful welcome up which had the roundtable in just a moment

2:37:58 Small boobs coming in from Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, Illinois. That's $60 and 6 cents 606 same from Les Tarkowski in Kingman Arizona 6006 Steve Banstra and he sends us 59 dollars and 93 cents oh that's the eggs EGGS over easy Steve Banstra sir BNA believe is in Tennessee Baron Henry, Rancho Palos Verdes California $52.92 Dean Roker comes in with a double nickels and dime $55.10 Kent O'Rourke Frostburg Maryland $52.72 Andrew Benz Imperial Missouri $50.05 Then here are the 50's Scott Lavender from Montgomery Texas Michael Sikora from Lake Elmo Minnesota

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2:39:35 Well yeah, so first right off the bat we have Rebecca Ha about to become a dame. She celebrated yesterday on the 18th Michael Burdett his daughter Elizabeth turns 11 today and Michael and Jens wish Hans Matre a very happy 50th he'll be celebrating tomorrow Happy birthday from everybody here at The Best Podcast in the Universe! And we caught it the last minute. We're very happy about this. Our Desi dude of Liberty Village, he stepped it up big time and he becomes a

2:40:18 Baron today and his protectorate is locked in. And we thank you for your additional $1,000 of support Sir Desi Dude! And that's how you become a Knight or Dame as well it doesn't matter how long it takes You can have a layaway Once you get up to $1000 We are happy to induct you into the round table of the Noah-Genon Knights and Dames We have one day one night today so if you can ring out your blade John will get these people Here ya go here's the big boy Up and rocking oh that IS a big boy Rebecca Haugh, Hans Matre, Stevana both of you. You are about to become Knight and Dame of the Noah Gender Roundtable I'm very proud to pronounce a Kate Lee as Dame Rebecca at the mic And Sir Skibity of St. Petersburg Florida for you we've got Hookers & Blow We've got Rent Boys in Chardonnay We've got Pene Arribata and Profiteroles Element and Lutefisk

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2:42:01 On the last show we had a couple who met at an Oagina meetup and now are married. That is not unique, that has happened several times these Noagena Meetups take place throughout the world really And it's not like you have to buy tickets It's not like you're gonna go see Pivot live in some auditorium... No! You just hang out with people Stek pointed out, I'm thinking of Puttanesca not Arrabbiata. Oh he sent you an email? It's Puttanesca you idiot! That's what he wrote. You idiot don't you know the difference yeah puttanesca The fact that Stek is still listening warms my heart He sends me emails for every single show Well listen... Yes?

2:42:55 When a guy calls you, we make these corrections right in the middle of the show. Oh yeah! Then we have to do it make goods No I have number of people who do that including my wife who was listening to the last show. I don't think she's listening Yeah, now remember it's Puttanesca. Yeah puttanesca puta puta puttanesca okay Yes the meetups So you go to this meetup, it doesn't cost anything to set them up. It doesn't cost anything to go to one. You just hang out and see the people that you can meet at these meetups are truly your kind of people but you might not have met them anywhere else. You might not have approached these people they might not approach you when you go to a No Agenda Meetup for some reason it just

2:43:36 clicks, you know. It's a connection and that always gives you protection the people will be your first responders in any emergency and we love it when you send meetup reports here's Leo Bravo who has organized his 78th Meet Up in the Los Angeles area Hey everybody its Leo Bravo at Meet up number seventy eight or 79 I don't know which one And we're over here at Warehouse 9 and passing the phone around for our friends to say a few greetings. In the morning, John and Adam this is Donna. In the morning this is Commodore Kirk This is Eric hanging out in the harbor

2:44:15 Drinking a little bit with good friends from No Agenda. Hey, this is Bob San Pedro I hosted this wonderful event with very nice people and we have... We're smart here because of you guys! Hey John and Adam Sir Lia Kim Full Pop here just over here at Warehouse number 9 spending our Jew money. This is Dame Laura of the Golden Memes here on a beautiful day in San Pedro and also celebrating my 45th anniversary with my husband Scottie. In the morning! Wow, this is Scottie Laura's husband so it's fun these are fun great events Is it your birthday? No, it's an anniversary. In the morning! Never ceases to amaze me

2:44:59 how many NOAA General listeners we have in Los Angeles and who turn out for these Leo Bravo organized meetups is fantastic. For July and August, we have Meetups on the calendar at noagendarmeetups.com Spicewood Texas on the 25th Fort Wayne Indiana Anaheim California there'll be another Leo Bravo I'm sure on the 26th Squibb Washington The 30th Coeur d'Alene in Idaho and Alpharetta Georgia August 3rd Ketchikan Alaska hello Alaska Eagle Idaho on the 8th, Santa Rosa California and Bangkok Thailand all on the eighth. Hey come on Bangkok we need a meetup report Oakland, California on the 15th. Charlotte North Carolina 20th. Chattanooga Tennessee on the 22nd and then we go into September just looking at the international nature oh I see Midlands UK on October 3rd and October 17 another Fredericksburg Texas meetup and of course i will be there now drag the keeper along with me as well

2:45:56 Wouldn't it be nice if the kids would be here with baby Cleo? That'd be great. So I may have Brunetti. What?! Yeah, Brunetti's gonna do a guest appearance at Oakland California maybe Wow so people can have their picture taken with producer of House of Cards and Fifty Shades of Grey, and Fifty Shades of Greyer? This is a... And grey in the... Fifty shades or two grey. That's great! Captain Phillips gave him that one too. That's right he did The Social Network, he did that. Oh my god this guy is a powerhouse! He's a powerhouse and don't forget he produced the award-winning No Agenda show

2:46:40 That is that Dana Brunetti may, may we'll have to get confirmation maybe at the August 15th Oakland California meetup. Just as a more background here Arrabiata sauce is a spicy pretty much straight up tomato sauce with a lot of chili in it So it's hot. It means, it translates to angry. Angry spaghetti sauce. What generation does Clio belong to now? I think isn't it Generation AI when my granddaughter is now a part of Generation AI Gen-AI? I thought it was Alpha. No! Alpha is already a couple years old now so you can't be Beta that'd be no good

2:47:26 No, it wouldn't be made. I think it should be Gen AI It makes so much sense They're gonna grow up and there's no future for them. No future nothing. No future Noah Jenna meetups calm That's where you go to find out where you can join one of these meetups Here's the cool thing if he can't find one near you start when yourself? It's easy and always a party You wanna be where you want to be, triggered on hell's flame. You wanna be here everybody feels the same. It's like a party... Man we talked so long about Sir Dogpatch of Animas or Sir Animus of Dogpatch and Lois LaBovia We're like we're running along today alert the affiliates wake the children what is going on here?

2:48:16 Before we get to John's tip of the day, which will be something AI related I'm reliably informed. We'll take a look at some ISOs and while just looking at yours do you have more AI stuff here? Is that what you're doing? No, it's how you call these people on the phone Okay And you called Brunetti and have them recorded for us That's very cool What I don't have anything I think they can match what you've got going on but i'll try! I found that very fun and inspiring Isn't that nice Yeah, and I have. It's really amazing we're so proud of this! This is a home run! I always like Alex, I can't help it. Closer... yeah all right what do you got? Okay i got Ted Cruz no not now no Tom Cruise. Sorry big difference. Yeah this Tom Cruise and this is uh Tom Cruise telling us to donate its value for value So donate to No Agenda That's pretty good

2:49:15 Here's Tom Cruise again. He's plugging Mission Impossible. It's a serious mission impossible to beat No Agenda podcast. The other one was more realistic, these are not the best clones I've heard. Okay well let's listen to Zuckerberg Yeah i would do a podcast but would it be better than no agenda? I doubt it That sounded pretty realistic. Let me hear that again Yeah, I would do a podcast but would it be better than No Agenda? What is he saying? I'm John Pontian? What is he saying? I'd do a podcast but wouldn't it be any better than No Agenda? I doubt it! I think the Zuck wins for this round not the Kruismeister Hey! It's time now for Johns Tip of The Day! Creative vibes for you and me Just the tip with JCD And sometimes Adam

2:50:03 All right, this is actually the plug for www.kimi.com Use it instead of perplexity. It's use it instead of grok Definitely use it instead of a chat GPT because it is neutral, it does not Inject politics. It's not left-wing. It's not left leaning and You do every just unless you ask for TNM in square or Chinese history forget that but who does that?

2:50:42 Now, it's interesting if you want to get carried away I'm going to read to you. Wow! They got everything here. They got Kimmy Claw they got Kimmy Work wow this is amazing what do they charge you? It's free now up to one year k3 credits we have to pay for it eventually Eventually but use it for free while you can okay but there was a newer version and JC pays for and he can do searches I'm gonna reach you a search that he put in, it took a couple of hours. He says what Kimmel will do is it'll clone itself and send out like 10 versions of itself to start doing complicated chores and this one here is the question he asked because we were talking at dinner and he put this into the machine. What California wineries have successfully made native yeast wines that did not end up being fully colonized by acetobacters?

2:51:41 Cross-reference by checking actual reviews to confirm no one mentions the features of a vinegar colonization. Get current prices Who's who and a full research report. Check research as well as evidence, as to the methodologies that are used that could allow for the same category as French wine using native wild yeast in California stably without needing to rely on Davis Yeasts bought and inoculated." What is this? What are you saying? Is this what it did? This is the request. Oh, that's the request? Wow! That's quite the prompt. Can it count to 100?

2:52:25 I probably can, but what it did was it went through every winery in California one by one to find out which ones use native yeast based on the websites or whatever. Then it went through and looked for every review of every wine they produce that's available and then it compared the wine reviews to what the ones that used natural yeasts gave us a list. And it took about two hours. Two hours? It calculated? It's a lot of work. Wow, that's amazing! So you can do these very complex... I asked it- But did you like the results?

2:53:07 Yeah, the results are reasonable. What is the answer? Well the results are... Okay well he's got this long read you get okay it's like a 10 page report oh okay I'm not that interested but the top producers is Ridge Vineyards native yeast an envelope at 35 parts per million crushed blah blah blah 55 bucks has got all this stuff about ridge and there's one winery in the valley called Marcus which I'm gonna Check out they make a natural Xanax, Swiss winemaker. I never...I think i've had their wines before but I'm gonna check it. Well let me ask you this the important stuff can it make celebrity end of show isos? Can do art relevant to the show and can it do end-of-show mixes? No no just start using it! I have no idea oh well okay I want something functional But I've done some complicated searches and its pretty good Okay Oh good

2:53:58 That's it? That your tip of the day? Tipoftheday.com K-I-M-I You can also download it and run on your Ryzen AMD PC Whatever, there is John's Tip Of The Day Find them all at tipoftheday.net Great advice for you and me Just a tip with JCB And sometimes Adam Created by Dana Brunetti. And before we go, I'd like you to know that we do have... Oh! The Unrelenting. That's right. The Unrelenting show is coming up next on your No Agenda stream and in your modern podcast app End of Show Mixes from Just Baker Johnny Sir Johnny Bee and Bee Dubs Where did MVP go everybody? I miss MVPs mixes. Hope he's okay Hate it when people drop off like that It doesn't feel good

2:55:07 So, I will be resting right after this show. I have not slept much in the last 24 hours but we'll be back rested and good to go for Thursday's show and until then i'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in Fredericksburg Texas In The Morning everybody! I'm Adam Curry And from Northern Silicon Valley where we notice a score is nil-nil As you'd expect. I'm John C. Dvorak We'll be back on Thursday and we'll give you the results Until then adios mofos a hooey-hooey And such White House dropped the files China section shining bright But the barn door has been open all night

2:56:03 The system was locked up tight for years Now they're dropping documents and feeding us ears 220 million files walked out the door And it's got the numbers now they're asking for more 208,000 ghosts on the rolls Names that shouldn't be there But nobody controlled it or sold a new script Diamonds got their polish shiny She ain't like the slamming of barn doors After the horse said ballots in the mail Floating but the real leak

2:56:50 Yesterday it was racist, now it's the only way Let's party with a class of fondos while she's running to Beijing China got your number Now there's a lot of heart They love them much But we're left here wondering Who is really in touch? Fondos wide open We deconstruct the spin Value in the truth ♪ The door's wide open, wide open ♪ Yo. Yo! Thursday night got wild man. Let's go! Trump on stage with the hair raising heat CIA docs dropping like a bootleg beat China in the mix like a DJ glitch Voting machines wobble like a nervous twitch Fox ran it live CBS 2 NBC said no ABC said boo

2:57:54 This speech was hot! with the links on blast Docs dropping faster than a TikTok cast No agenda crew with the ad-free flow Value for value, keeping indie on the go No creepy sponsors in this studio glow Just producers yelling Hit that donate bro So grab your popcorn Muckles and tight noose Cycle spinning like a carnival ride tonight It's the CCP fighting off its two That's one very dedicated clickbait crew

2:58:45 You already know, it's the best podcast in the universe. In the morning! Give me V for V with an I-T-M and a G to G No agenda show, G-I-T-M-O pirate radio It's a sloppy scene So I'm coming in clean Just another round of man versus machine ACJCD They disrupt and reconstruct And every meme that's worth discussing Tell your friends and second cousin Cause the kids all say it's bussing Man, does anybody else miss the old end of show mixers? Irving come back if you're able Cause these clankers are not stable

2:59:45 Give me D's last off Starkweather, Leo the Puking, Jesse Coy Professor J. Jones And I would be remiss if i didn't mention Chris Sir Chris Wilson, The Drunken Menstrual And his son Felix Hit Me Up Man will do a pre-mix Before I go One more thing to say Yeah they say our slob is I said the A.I's slap this. The whole thing is fake, fake and gay.