Episode 1796 · Thursday, 4 September 2025

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A high-stakes Senate hearing on the future of the HHS clashes with new warnings of lethal viruses and a bipartisan push to unseal the Epstein files.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 1796

About this episode

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced a contentious Senate Finance Committee hearing where Senator Ron Wyden and Senator Elizabeth Warren challenged his 2026 health agenda. The testimony centered on the ousting of CDC Director Dr. Susan Menendez and allegations regarding the Office of Refugee Resettlement, while Kennedy countered with plans to shift HHS focus toward chronic disease and ultra-processed foods. Over 1,000 HHS employees have reportedly signed a letter demanding Kennedy’s resignation as the administration pivots away from federal mRNA research grants.

Dr. Michael Osterholm warned of a lethal new virus discovered in Chinese bats during a CBS Mornings appearance to promote his book, The Big One. Simultaneously, the West Coast Health Alliance formed between Washington, Oregon, and California to issue independent vaccine guidance, bypassing the CDC. In Florida, Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo and Governor Ron DeSantis announced a total ban on state vaccine mandates for schools and daycares. Meanwhile, Donald Trump demanded Pfizer release all internal data on the success of Operation Warp Speed, and Congressmen Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna launched a bipartisan petition to force the release of the Department of Justice files on Jeffrey Epstein.

John C. Dvorak recommends the Max Flat Clinch Stapler for those still handling physical dossiers in an increasingly digital world. Adam Curry celebrates his 61st birthday with a wave of peerage elevations and the official title of Secretary General of Podcasting. The show deconstructs a hot mic moment between Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin that reveals a surprising shared interest in biotechnology and anti-aging peptides.


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CHAPTER 04 / 44 Discussion

Senator Ron Wyden, Office of Refugee Resettlement Allegations

Senator Ron Wyden accused Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of overseeing the "disappearance" of hundreds of children from Office of Refugee Resettlement facilities. Wyden alleged that children were rounded up at night and flown to Guatemala against their will. The exchange included references to Kennedy's past flights on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet as a counter-argument to his claims of being a protector of children.

ron wyden· office of refugee resettlement· guatemala· jeffrey epstein· human trafficking

16:09 So, this I mean NPR was in on this game everybody but it's it is only about the COVID vaccine at this point. This is the one point they've got they're gonna stick to it let's go to...I got a couple clips from The Hearing from this morning and I literally sat down threw on the live stream hit record and I got the opening of Senator Wyden And wow, I mean just wow. Instead of finding ways to help American families pay less for healthcare Robert Kennedy is focused on his anti-vaccine mission fueled by some kind of complex that the consequences be damned! Amid this litany of corruption and chaos the one point i have to underline is Robert Kennedy puts children in harm's way every single day in America

17:00 Think of the children! My Republican colleagues, I must ask what line with Robert Kennedy cross before some of you will also join this alarm? This weekend under the cover of darkness Robert Kennedy attempted to disappear. Under the cover... Under the cover of darkness Robert F. Kennedy Jr was walking around dark clothing in a catsuit. Under the cover of darkness I'm gonna take care this right now This weekend under cover of darkness, Robert Kennedy attempted to disappear hundreds of children under his care at Office of Refugee Resettlement. He tried he tried to disappear children this guy is horrible! These children here without parents or family were rounded up in the middle of the night and put on planes to Guatemala lawyers on the ground described unthinkable things. All Kennedy? Yeah wait because he's gonna... This is ridiculous that's what so great about it because

17:57 I mean, come on. We all know if you really want to get to an American's heart... You gotta go for pets, you gotta go for old people... Gays? That helps and... Oh! Won't somebody please think of the children?! Gotta think of the children man This weekend under the cover of darkness Robert Kennedy attempted to disappear hundreds of children under his care at Office of Refugee Resettlement Facilities. These children here without parents or family were rounded up in the middle of night and put on planes to Guatemala, lawyers on the ground described- Who their parents were! Well no listen he just listened he'll explain it because this was a real conversation man! Thinkable scenes

18:43 Our staff, some who are here today were party to this in the middle of the night and one child said to their lawyer why do they want to send me back? My mom is dead and my dad abuses me. Why do they want to hurt me? This was an actual conversation I think i need some audio tape recording with this actual conversation but I like it These actions were illegal documents show that many these children were in the country What...this is not enough come on Wyden hold on a second Listen, Wyden you gotta step it up a little bit on RFK Jr. being dangerous for children Can you do that for me please? To escape trafficking in their homeland Do better Mr Kennedy calls himself a protector of children Some kind of rich claim Claiming from somebody who's flown on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet On multiple occasions Excellent! Well done Bring in Epstein Perfect Because obviously

19:39 RFK is a kiddie fiddler. That's obvious, it's so obvious! It's so obvious. Well then why does he want to ship the kids out of the country? That makes no sense. There was an ill logic involved. Yes right wouldn't you want to keep him for himself under the cover of darkness in his basement? Yeah yeah keep him at the house. Keep them at the house yes thank you for that fallacy in Senator Wyden's logic So now I will play an edited version of RFK Jr.'s opening statement. What I edited out is Medea Benjamin jumping up and down, screaming about something which no one heard

CHAPTER 22 / 44 Discussion

Donald Trump, Epstein Files and "Safe Zones"

Donald Trump dismissed the ongoing focus on Jeffrey Epstein's files as a "Democrat hoax" intended to distract from his administration's successes, such as ending wars. Trump also claimed that Washington D.C. has become a "safe zone" under his influence. Analysts debate whether Trump's dismissal is a strategic "5D chess" move or a genuine attempt to bury the files.

donald trump· jeffrey epstein· washington dc· sex scandals· 5d chess

1:34:16 Alright, this is the story that's not going away for the president no matter what he says. No matter how many times he says it is not going away So this a democrat hoax That never ends You know reminds me of little of the Kennedy situation We gave him everything over and over again more and more And nobody's ever satisfied. From what I understand, and I could check but from what I understand thousands of pages of documents have been given But it is really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that is totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president Even if you look at DC right now, DC It's a totally safe zone. It's called the safe zone That's a term, it's a term of art

1:35:06 It's a safe zone because it is very safe. You can walk down the street now and nothing is going to happen, no crime, no murders, no nothing because we had a lot of problems with certain places and we still do All run by Democrats or for the most part run by Democrats So what they're trying to do with the Epstein hoax is Get people talk about that instead of speaking about the tremendous success like ending seven wars I ended seven wars nobody's going to talk about because they're gonna talk about The Epstein. That's right sir, I understand that we were subpoenaed to give files and I understand We've given thousands of pages of files And I know that no matter what you do it's gonna keep going

1:35:47 And I think it's, really, I think it's enough because we should talk about the greatness of our country and the success that were having. Mr President you underestimate or overestimate perhaps the American people We love sex scandals in particular and certainly with presidents Marilyn Monroe ring a bell sir Abe Lincoln Gabe Lincoln And wasn't his wife a lesbian? That's all recent by the way. She is recently a lesbian, did I miss an important news story? No that analysis is very recent. But I'm just saying that

1:36:30 You know, he can want all this but just saying it's a hoax is not going to go away. It's not happening and what... See I'm completely on the different perspective than you are on this. I think this whole thing is a setup I think he's making it fussing and fussing and fuss so he can always say, hey I said... No. I'm with you on that And that would be the Trump is playing 5D chess That's very possible It might not be true but its very possible. I have two Epstein clips Well I have a

CHAPTER 23 / 44 Discussion

Congressional Petition, Jeffrey Epstein File Release

Congressmen Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna are leading a bipartisan discharge petition to force a vote on releasing all DOJ files related to Jeffrey Epstein. While House Speaker Mike Johnson has expressed concerns about victim privacy, survivors and lawmakers like Marjorie Taylor Greene are demanding full transparency regarding the estimated 1,000 victims.

thomas massie· ro khanna· jeffrey epstein· marjorie taylor greene· mike johnson

1:37:07 a series from Anderson Pooper, which I thought was just... Oh you should follow what it does. I'll run these You want to run these first? Okay Yeah let's go Epstein. First we start with NTD. Epstein unfortunately I spelled it with an R so its Repstine Update Thank you! Wooo! Here's the Repstein update from Ante Dey. Congressman Thomas Massie and Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna began collecting signatures on their discharge petition that would force a vote on a bill that if passed would force the Department of Justice to release all files relevant to Jeffrey Epstein Victims of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein spoke on the steps of Capitol Hill in favor of the discharge petition. This is a crime that by our Justice Department's own admission has 1,000 victims. A thousand victims! Do you know what thousand people? Think of the enormity of that could you be okay this is a very good point I mean I've done okay my numbers are up there but I don't think I've had sex with a thousand different people

1:38:13 Epstein was like that? You think it was all Epstein. I don't know, they're just moaning and groaning. I have no idea they got to release the files to coin a term with crime happening in your community to 1000 girls and young women and not holding the perpetrators accountable. House Republican leadership is conducting an investigation through the house oversight committee which released some 33,000 pages of the Epstein file this week The objective here is not just to uncover investigate the Epstein evils but also to ensure that this never happens again and ultimately to find out why justice has been delayed for these ladies for so very long

1:38:58 Yes, these ladies. These ladies. So that was pretty lame, there's a better clip coming I have another clip this is actually spelled Epstein and this is NPI but before we play that clip so you've had sex with 1,000 women? No! I said no...I have not. My numbers are up there I don't think I make it to 1000 no You don't think you make it to...so your in the 900's Is what your suggesting Do you really want to know Are you really interested Well no It sounds like Will Chamberlain The way your going here Maybe boy knows a reference that just flew over everybody's head. Whoa, will the stilt everybody? Well you know as a VJ yeah so television oh yeah that would make sense Yeah you forgot about I'll give you 950

1:39:48 A bipartisan group of lawmakers is pushing for legislation that would require the Justice Department to release files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. House GOP leaders oppose it, but four Republicans including Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene have signed a petition that would force the house to vote on the bill I ask my Republican colleagues not to choose just one path for justice and transparency and accountability, but I ask my Republican colleagues to choose every path for justice. and accountability, and transparency. Outside the Capitol today a group of Epstein survivors and family members of victims shared their stories calling for the full public release of the files among them was Sky Roberts his sister Virginia Joufray died by suicide earlier this year she fought to expose a system that allowed the wealthy the connected in the powerful to exploit and abuse girls and young women

1:40:48 Without consequence, she fought for every survivor who was silenced doubted or discarded. House Speaker Mike Johnson has expressed skepticism citing concerns about victim privacy So they literally Paraded this whole just a row of women through the halls of Congress did you see it? Yeah I was like wow okay That's I mean These are victims and they're very brave, because they want...they're taking a stand. But what's odd about it is that they're not really naming names. This is so Anderson- Well they say the victims that this group of girls or women, there women now, yes? They went on and said if

CHAPTER 24 / 44 Discussion

Brad Edwards, Anderson Cooper Epstein Interview

Attorney Brad Edwards, who represents multiple Epstein survivors, appeared on CNN with Anderson Cooper to respond to Donald Trump's "hoax" comments. Edwards claimed Trump previously acknowledged Epstein was a "creep" in 2009. The segment also discussed Ghislaine Maxwell's claims and the potential for survivors to release their own list of abusers if the government fails to do so.

brad edwards· anderson cooper· jeffrey epstein· ghislaine maxwell· lawsuits

1:41:37 They don't release all the files. They're going to put together a list themselves." Well, here's the pooper package... Hey! There you go. The pooper package and he talked to Brad Edwards and he is the attorney representing multiple Epstein survivors. Brad I'm wondering what your reaction to the president calling it a hoax? Yeah, thanks for having me on Anderson. It doesn't make any sense I don't think...I know that he doesn't believe that it's a hoax. I'm not sure that he knows what the word hoax means to tell you the truth because I've talked to President Trump years ago about this case on this topic

1:42:13 He provided information. He knew back then the type of creep that Jeffrey Epstein was I can't imagine that he's saying that these hundreds of women are lying about this so i'm not exactly sure what you're talking about This was back in 2009, you said you talked to him Sure, I talked to him in 2009 several times back then and at least through the years have even asked follow-up questions through his lawyers He's not implicated in the files that I've ever seen. And like I said, I represented 200 women so all I can think is that he has now seen the files or has been advised of things in the files that he didn't know was in the file and then I currently don't know they're are in the files because otherwise it makes absolutely no sense this about face that he's done you're either on the side to the victims where your on the side of evil there is not another side to this

1:43:03 and he's choosing the side of evil, the side of Jeffrey Epstein. It really makes no sense I can't imagine that public is going to put up with this Well they're not The public is outraged On all sides of the political spectrum, Brad Edwards continues. Lisa, you said this on Capitol Hill... Lisa, what's her name here? Lisa Phillips. Okay. Wait by the way this is all leading again to the conspiracy thesis that we both kind of or at least I specifically have been promoting which is that this is a setup And Trump is doing this on purpose so he can say, hey I tried to protect you. I tried and I'm sorry

1:43:46 Lisa, you said this on Capitol Hill and you just sort of referenced it a moment ago. You talked about compiling a list of other abusers who were in Epstein's world among all the women who are there today and I assume others who weren't even there. Is that something... can you just talk about that idea? And what would you do with that list? Well, I started a podcast about a year ago where I speak to survivors of serial predators. So I'm aware through that and also for the last 20 years speaking to survivors of Epstein that they were trafficked to other men so i think the smartest thing for us to do is to get together and start putting together the names that we know 100% that we were trafficked or abused by or friends of ours

1:44:43 And what would you do with that? That's a great question. What would you do with that?! Make a list! What would you do with it, would you eat it, would you broil it, burn it...what would you do with it? And and what would you do with that? Well go ahead. It's just for us to Be aware of what's going on is that something we would release publicly? We have many people that are working with us that our allies in media and In different groups, and we're not quite sure it's not up for us really to release those names It's really up to the government to release those names now. Let's talk about that just for a second I got two more clips here clearly

1:45:35 If you release a list of names, the lawsuits would be just astronomical unless they had photographic evidence or I mean it just seems like that will be very precarious. Lawsuits but if the women released the lists... The lawsuits would be astronomical, but I doubt...I mean who would they be aimed at? You have a bunch of women that I'm guessing considering the kind of damages that would be involved here. They don't have. For all practical purposes are what we like to call judgment proof. That means you can sue somebody for $10 million

1:46:18 But they haven't got 10 cents. That means that you, so you got okay, you won a lawsuit for $10 million against the person who only has ten cents. They're judgment-proof. You can't get the money and all you could do is make a point it would... And they wouldn't even bother giving, they can just go Nolo Contadre and just say I'm not even going to fight this. They still haven't got the money what are you gonna do about it? The question i would want Pooper to ask here is Are there celebrities or politicians that might be on this list That would be the question Yeah well obviously he's gonna have to ask that That's the first thing you'd ask Brad she mentioned you and I wanna play something that Maxwell said about you in her interview with the Deputy Attorney General so you can respond

1:47:03 Oh, the Maxwell tapes. What does that mean? She's saying essentially you... You have a list. You created the list, into your knowledge was there ever a list that Epstein himself made? No and I can't imagine what different things she has conflated There was a time when Jeffrey Epstein sued me and said that i had made up everything about him Made the whole thing up Now he ultimately had to apologize in open court

1:47:42 in 2018 and ultimately we had him arrested shortly thereafter. And I think what she is saying is at some point in time, I was asked did Epstein farm any of his victims out to other individuals? And have said there was a small fraction of victims that he farmed out to a small fraction of his friends And I have created a list of those people just by the very essence of representing these clients. But there isn't a list that Jeffrey Epstein wrote down so that he could keep track of, to my knowledge. Um...I think that's what she is saying but either way who knows you can put a whole lot at stake in what Ghislaine Maxwell is saying at any stage. Well hold on! He just said that he has a list. He got a list maybe he should put out the list We want a list

CHAPTER 25 / 44 Discussion

Trump vs. Survivors, Side-by-Side Comparison

CNN aired a side-by-side comparison of Donald Trump calling the Epstein investigation a "hoax" while survivors testified about their abuse. Representative Thomas Massie suggested Trump may be protecting "rich and powerful friends." Marjorie Taylor Greene has indicated she may use her congressional immunity to name names on the House floor.

donald trump· jeffrey epstein· marjorie taylor greene· thomas massie· cnn

1:48:33 Well he just said that Epstein doesn't have a list. Isn't that what I heard? He says, he made a list based upon the women he interviewed of who they were farmed out to well how about that list you got to give the public something we need a list We need a list. Need a list? Instead Pooper's gonna do a side-by-side A B comparison. He said nothing today about anything the survivors actually said only that the entire Epstein saga was a hoax and a distraction from his accomplishments certainly wasn't a distraction for him or hoax when he was running for president and his supporters insisted that Mr Trump would blow the lid off Epstein crimes as president

1:49:13 Kash Patel, Dan Bongino. They're now running the FBI and so they are singing a very different tune The president's remarks came within minutes of the survivors Here is actually how they sounded side by side with the time stamps added Oh! They did a little bit of editing for once here we go I would like Donald J Trump and every person in America around the world to humanize us To see us for who we are into hear us from what we have to say There is no hoax So this is a Democrat Hoax That never ends. Listen to us, this is not a hoax! It's really a Democrat hoax We are tired of looking at the news and seeing Jeffrey Epstein's name and saying that this is a hoax we're having the most successful eight months of any president ever And that's what I want to talk about. That's what we should be talking about not the Epstein Hoax

1:50:03 Just to be absolutely clear here, when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested in 2019 Donald Trump was president. His appointees at the Justice Department oversaw the investigation wasn't a hoax back then yet somehow to him it is now Oh, that's in C.I.V.. There is analysis for you I have one more clip. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is here This morning a group of Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking survivors are set to share their first hand accounts of abuse Many for the first time as officials face relentless pressure to release all files related to the Epstein investigation The group of women met with the House Oversight Committee for more than two hours yesterday. House Speaker Mike Johnson was among those who described the meeting as heartbreaking before releasing 33,000 pages of Epstein-related documents — the vast majority of which were already public. And now Johnson refuses to allow a House vote that would compel the Justice Department to release the full Epstein files

1:51:01 It does not adequately protect the innocent victims and that is a critical component. Fellow Republican Representative Thomas Massey has filed a petition trying to force that vote to happen, accusing Johnson of caving to pressure from President Trump I think he thinks you can just make this go away by telling people there's nothing here The problem is this bigger than him and he can't make it go away by saying there's nothing here Trump, after campaigning on the release of the Epstein files has since downplayed its importance. He said last month he's in favor of full transparency. I'm in support of keeping it totally open and I couldn't care less Democrats are calling on the administration to follow through Donald Trump has a power right now to release all of the Epstein files and documents

1:51:47 right now. The DOJ is refusing to release the documents that have been subpoenaed." Massey noted he doesn't think the president is implicated in the files but believes he has rich and powerful friends who are, and vows to get enough support to force a vote to release all of them. She doesn't care. She's gonna do it on the floor of the house, which gives her immunity Yes, that's right. That's true yeah Yeah well the people want a list Well there yet they want to list and people she'd be the one she's enough of a nutball to do it Yeah, well we need it We needed for the show we needed for America we needed for America man So you want to put some money on this because I think she's not gonna do it? Well

1:52:44 First of all, no. Not going to put money on it but if your theorem is correct then she would be the perfect vehicle... Oh yeah, her and Massey. Massey's a thorn in the side of the Republican Party And they would be, well I think Marjorie Taylor Greene's perfect. She already said like, I have immunity on the house floor so... Yeah she's smart and she's not a dummy. She acts you know kind of like a flake but in fact- She's not dumb no. She is very smart and she knows enough to do it on the floor of the house which yeah you can't do anything. So You can say whatever you want. How can we put money on if your whole thesis is based on the fact that there are people in there

1:53:30 that Trump knows is going to be very hurtful to other people who are maybe not wanting this. Well, that's why I think she won't do it. I don't think she's gonna say anything because she's gonna look at that and get a list and she's gonna say oh...I can't bring myself to doing it! I don't think she can bring herself- Yes you can! Oh no, this where you're wrong No, I disagree there. I think she has got some scruples She's not an unscrupulous creep. There is no evidence to the contrary yet... I think she is fine in that regard. Oh boy, well...

CHAPTER 44 / 44 Discussion

Outro, End of Show Mixes, Sign-off

The show concludes with a series of listener-produced music mixes, including a track titled "Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" and a "Team Curry" tribute. The hosts sign off from their respective locations in the Texas Hill Country and Northern Silicon Valley, reminding listeners to support the show via value-for-value donations.

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3:32:31 Yeah, well I always feed people. Yeah exactly okay? It's been too long it's been what has it been six years uh Yes since my wedding yeah guys before you came out before your way no No, I saw you at the wedding yeah, that's not saying you saw me. Yeah, so I mean it's been too long No, this is a hundred years now. I think it's fine. Yeah good. Oh, I will bring a report But for now this show is over except of course with the outstanding end of show mixes sir, Ducifer brings us a service for the false flags and Sir do for Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself and Bonald Crabtree And he's all about team curry coming up next on the no agenda stream homegrown hits with Dame DeLorean America ultra and we conclude our broadcast day here from Texas in the morning everybody I'm coming to you from the

3:33:27 the heart of the Texas Hill Country. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where the traffic's already backing up! I'm John C. Dvorak we'll be back here on Sunday please join us and remember us at noagenthedonations.com until Sunday adios mofos or hooey hooey and such Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself! He was a victim of hate, but Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. He was buddies with Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew too. Stable girls were used to peruse But now we'll never know who Cause he didn't kill himself

3:34:17 Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself! And I don't care what Bill Barr says, cause Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. He had a big ol' plane that's floors and no secret service so who flew? That's why he didn't kill himself Jeffrey Epstein has to kill himself! Well Bob Mueller gonna sweetheart you, and Jeffrey Epstein has to kill himself!

3:35:13 Christmas lights and drywall These things don't hang themselves Christmas lights and drywall These things don't hang themselves And I know someone else Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself! He had a master plan Eugenics are chiseling

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