Ron Paul For President

00:01 Yes, Citibank should, there should be a run on the bank as we speak. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's February 21st, 2010, time again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 176. This is no agenda. Reading the law so you don't have to and coming to you live from the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, Los Angeles, in the Republic of California. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And wondering where the rain is, which is supposed to have hit last Friday and nothing came of it. I'm here in Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! Yeah, we got the rain. We got rain over here, man. Yeah, it's apparently raining in Arizona too. Yeah, hey, in the morning to you, my friend. In the morning! Lest there be any type of confusion, we actually love each other.

00:51 People sometimes are confused. They think that, you know, we're like an old married couple. It's man love. Man crush. I had dinner last night with a good friend of ours, Rodrigo Otazu. Who? Rodrigo Otazu. He's a jewelry designer. He's pretty hot right now. He's Argentinian, but he started in Amsterdam. And we had dinner at Gordon Ramsay's London Restaurant in the London Hotel. Oh, I thought he shut that down. Maybe he shut the New York one down because he had one in New York. I know that, but it was... I thought it was the LA one. No. Okay, what about it? Good.

01:34 Of course it's good, the guy knows what he's doing. I'm sure he's not there though. I'm sure he's not there and I'm sure it was too expensive. That was the second thing I was going to say, way too expensive. Just outrageous. I think the days of these expensive meals are over. People wanted us to talk, I got more than a few letters from people saying, How come you don't talk about wine and food? I'll tell you, I agree with you John because it was no problem getting a reservation on a Saturday night. Originally it was going to be just the two of us and then we added, then it was going to be four and then it went back to three and Mickey called back like four times changing the time, changing the number of people was not a problem and the restaurant was not full.

02:15 It's too expensive. Yeah, it really is. And the other thing is, well we went to a place here, which I didn't think was that great, but it was interesting and cheap. It was a relatively, it was in San Francisco called Choo Choo. Oh yeah, the bistro we went to together. Yeah, that, you know, even that, I don't know, I'm having mixed feelings about some of the trends going on. The night before I was taken to dinner by the people at NetSuite, the CEO, there's a good friend of mine who likes to go out once in a while with some of his staff and I got invited. And so we went to,

03:00 They just awarded two stars, a Michelin place called Qua, C-O-I, it's pronounced Qua in San Francisco, and it's like 11 courses of like a tablespoon of this and a tablespoon of that. Who wants that? Just give me a burger. Yeah, it's like it's interesting like five or six or seven or eight years ago or ten years ago sort of thing because you know people were starting to get into cooking they're looking for new ideas and but it's it's it's so tired that I really wonder about you know even the molecular gastronomy that's going on here and there where the guys are doing it. I was hanging out with Dave Matthews came over Friday night

03:42 Dave Matthews band? No, Dave the inventor. Oh, Dave the inventor. And he was talking about this molecular stuff where they take a certain type of food but they'll change the way it looks, the texture, the taste, so you think it's something else and they maybe even change the smell and then you eat it and it completely messes with your head? Yeah, yeah, well this was all perfected by the guy out in Spain in the Costa Brava, a place called El Bulli. He has a number of protégés around the world. I ate at one of his places in Sao Paulo called Dom, D-O-M, which is actually quite, it was good. The thing is, the guy in Brazil was at least serving,

04:25 You know he was he wasn't it wasn't like a teaspoon of this and a tablespoon of that It was like entire meals that were done this way where you think you're eating one thing That's actually another this this the meat the sauce that you normally find you know that some meat sauces and the rich brown sauce is actually Chocolate you know kind of thing that's that's weird where you think you're gonna sink your teeth into one thing and it turns out to be another yeah Yeah, but you know again, I mean this is interesting, but is it really? Dude, we're going back to home grown vegetables because that's all that's going to be available if you want something that's not genetically modified. Yeah, that and then there's now there's some word out that you know aspartame. Aspartame. Aspartame.

05:09 The stuff done by your buddy... Rumsfeld. Is potentially the cause of a lot of this early onset Parkinson's. And obesity and heart disease and all kinds of bad stuff. So anyway, so this is the kind of stuff we'll be talking about today ladies and gentlemen if you're... Wait, click! I just heard everyone tune out. Don't blame them. Hey, who's our executive producer for episode 176, John? We have three executive producers and two associates. Okay, let's rock it. So at the top of the list though has to be, only goes by the letter CB from Tokyo.

05:47 He wishes to remain CB from Tokyo, gave us 500 bucks. Wow, nice. Thank you CB. And he will convert it to a knighthood. Let me read you this and you can... Let your head swell I will add and convert this to knighthood once I hear the new DSC episode that was mentioned a while back I really miss the DSC That would be daily source code, which is the program that has now officially been off the air for one year and three days Not that you're keeping track. No, I wasn't. Raymond, Raymond Port was keeping track. I mean, people are twittering about it. I got I'm going to get it going. I got to go to Europe for a week and to see my daughter come back. Then we really get cranky. And then we got three hundred thirty three dollars and thirty four cents. As long as the three, three, three, three, three thing keeps going, these guys getting executive producers. Well, John, you do know by now that

06:46 That's a magic number. In the morning! E-R-D-E-N. Oh, Ger Bearden. Okay. Ger. Ger. Ger. Ger. It's like hair with a g. Why would you name a kid that's gonna have spit all over him? It comes from Gerard or Gerrit. Gerard, basically. It's an abbreviation. Why would you name a kid who's gonna get spit on? Yeah, exactly. He's in Voorburg.

07:32 I'm afraid to ask. Where is it? Forburg. Which is right before The Hague, I believe. I guess after all this mispronunciation of these crazy Dutch names, I'll eventually start to pick up the patterns I'm looking for. But basically the Dutch are now donating just to hear you mispronounce their name. This seems to be the case, yes. It's nothing to do with the show. Like, we love hookers and blow and all that. Just mispronounce my name because it's funny the way you say it. Yeah, I know. I love to be the butt of humor. Hi, John and Adam. Since the Dutch government fell today, there's a slight reason for optimism in Gitmo Nation East, actually. Lowlands. Lowlands. Yeah, we do have to talk about that as a top of my list, actually. Oh, Adam went easy on the no-agendas church routine lately, both reason enough to celebrate. We're trying to avoid that, too. A small stride toward knighthood.

08:31 He's in the chat room as... Cher, probably. That's Mal. Oh. But you may have a go at pronouncing my name. It's always a blast to hear you break your tongue over Oxford names. Thanks, Cher. Cher. Okay, here were the huh okay, and I'm 30 seconds from Sean Connolly in Naperville, Illinois hasn't shown donated before yes, he's a good car. He's a regular He wants us to plug Daniel Suarez as novels Damon and freedom Okay, let's read this very topical techno thrillers for the no agenda audience excellent check out Daniel Suarez

09:13 And then our associate executive producers are a couple of regulars. Ian Monroe. Hey, you did it. River Ridge, Louisiana. And and our friend. Eli's chemist who is by the way now a night. Oh, wait a minute Do we have to now we were gonna do knighthoods today? Do we have just don't we have to we're gonna do there's a but there's a few others on there either the other program We're working on there are no agenda show Donors, which is separate. We're gonna after the first of March. We're gonna put them together the ones that there's a couple in there that Wanted to become Knights but the on Elon chemists and also the the

09:56 Uh, Steve, Pelsmacher's pal, the uh, separator. Oh, the separator? Yeah, so we have two names. You wanna run it up? Yeah, hold on a second. So let me do uh, Elon Shemis first. Elon Shemis, kneel before us please, as we now officially knight thee, Sir Elon Shemis. You just chopped his head off. No, no, no. Now officially knight of the No Agenda Roundtable. Welcome to the brotherhood. Alright, now we have to do the separator, which is kind of weird because this is zombie- this has been done by, uh, Stephen Pelsmachers. Yeah, and the thing is with the separator, he's obviously gonna be a knight with a mask on. That's right, he's- hold on a second. Don the Hooded Mask, the separator, kneel before us as we now officially knight thee. Sir the separator of the No Agenda Roundtable.

10:58 Please enjoy our horkers and blow. Feast upon the loveliness that is no agenda. So Shemis says that he will laugh about the fallen cabinet. Yeah, I'm... So first of all let me thank our executive producers CB from Tokyo, Kher Beard and Sean Connolly. Connelly that's it right Connelly. Yeah. Yeah, Ian Monroe and Elon Sheamus Elon Sheamus Sheamus Who are? Ian and Elon are our associate executive producers, please do put this on your resume Not only does it help you get jobs It looks good and it actually makes us look good too If you if people start listing this and starts popping up, you know people be like Another one of those resumes where there's no agenda thing on it. You know, what what is going on with that?

11:50 It's good. It's all-around good. Absolutely. And it's highly appreciated. And you really do make this show run. You really do make it work. Your donation is doing exactly what an executive producer does. They front the money so that the show can be produced and you never get any residuals. So it's perfect. It's exactly the way it's supposed to work. It's just like Hollywood. It's the real deal. So I guess maybe we should start with Gitmo Nation Lowlands, because I was rather excited after I did this humongous rant on the previous show about the Netherlands, about the Dutch in particular, how suppressed they are. The night of... it was Friday night.

12:34 And they had this real long meeting in the cabinet meeting in Holland. The government fell. And you might be wondering what exactly does that mean? Yes, what does that mean? Well, the way it works... They fell. So they're just running around in the streets, everyone's anarchy? They tripped. No, not yet though. So first of all what happened is, you know, the way the Dutch government works, you have a number of parties and you have to have a majority of seats in the government. So typically whoever has the most seats during the election gets to form the coalition and then they have to find a couple other parties they can work with and then you know there's weeks sometimes of discussion, hey can we work together and by the way a lot of them are religious groups.

13:19 So not only we do have a labor party, we have a socialist party, but we have the Christian Democrats, we have the right-wing Christians, we have a whole bunch of different... They're called the right-wing Christians? Almost. No, they're called the Christian Union. There's a Green Party. I mean, it's just a lot of different... Yeah, they usually show this at like when there's... I was reading about they show a pie chart and there's all these different parties and they all have a representation. So it was very interesting, in order to have a majority coalition, the Labour Party was with the Christian Democrats and they brought in the Christian Union, which is kind of these really right-wing guys who have a very small following, but that gave them just enough seats in the government to have the majority.

14:04 And sometimes the party that actually wins will wind up as an opposition because they can't form the coalition. It's really crazy. And of course, you think you're voting for a guy or a woman, but they never wind up running the show. So it's typical Gitmo fashion. Anyway, in 2007 when they formed this Balkan-India cabinet, which was the fourth time under the Christian Democrats, the cabinet has fallen four times already. And remember the first time they came in was after Pim Fortuyn was assassinated. So this has always been a very sketchy group of people, in my opinion. The coalition had agreed at the previous elections in 2007 that in 2010 they would withdraw from Afghanistan. The Dutch, as we've discussed on this program, are stationed in Uruzgan in Afghanistan, protecting the poppies over there.

14:59 actually, there's a there's sometimes it gets pretty nasty in in that region and So, you know the time is up right? It's time to pull out and of course This is a NATO mission and the way it were the way this whole Afghanistan thing has been spun is hey, you know They attacked America so all NATO people have to help us and you got to go in and you all got to be a part of the program and the The CDA, the Christian Democrats, were like, well, you know, we shouldn't really pull out. Maybe we should have another meeting. We should have another steering committee. And this has been going on for a number of weeks now. And finally, the Labor Party, who is the second

15:41 largest part of the coalition said that's it screw you we're out and so then they basically pull out they no longer have a majority and that's how the cabinet falls and that means within 83 days there has to be new elections. Why 83? It's the law somehow I don't know it's the magic number they could have done 84 but 3 was more magical so by May there has to be new elections now here's what's interesting Of course I said that this, you know, this, particularly this government has brought in so many rules and regulations and all kinds of crap that the Dutch people were so suppressed and, you know, really were frustrated and all of their frustrations were coming out in comments on the internet and everyone was just really pissed off. There's a huge integration issue with a Muslim population. And we have this guy Geert Wilders, who is, whose party is the PVV.

16:34 Which is the party of freedom something and this is the guy who did the video the fitna video against Basically against Islam and because of this video member he was not allowed into the United Kingdom because he was discriminating and and Oh right, there's an old story. Yeah, this went on over a year ago. And the video actually wasn't all that good. I mean, Alex Jones does stuff ten times better than what he did. And his stuff is really bad. So it's like, alright, this is what all the brouhaha's about? It wasn't all that big a deal. However, they did a straw poll and his party would win by a landslide if elections were held today.

17:20 Like a huge amount, like 30 seats, which would be, you know, 10. So they've got to put the election off. Well, this is exactly what happened with Pim Fortuyn. There's two things that can happen. One, he's an obvious candidate for two to the head. By the way, if you don't know who this guy is, you've probably seen him on the news. He has this really crazy blonde, really luminescent blonde hair. But a lot of people like him because he's basically carrying the same message that Pim Fortuyn was carrying which was you know, hey enough with the Muslim integration, you know, they need to speak Dutch or get out, you know basic I'm paraphrasing to an large extent and there's a lot of people who are very Tired of what's going on. And of course the Muslim population isn't the easy target to blame for everything. It's very typical

18:11 Yeah, of course. But I have to say the integration of the multicultural society has not gone well. But there's something that's very interesting that's happening is this guy is being prosecuted by the Dutch Justice Department for discriminating the entire nation of Islam with this video. So it's possible he could hate crime. Yes, exactly. It's possible he could get thrown in jail or his maybe his right to stand as an elected official could be taken away. That doesn't mean the party goes away, but it's going to be really crazy right now. It's going to be very interesting. But what I did Saturday morning when I woke up and this had already happened, is I started reading all of these comments and people were like rejoicing and saying, oh yes, it's a national holiday and this, you know, this day will go down in history. We're so happy this stupid government is gone.

19:08 And it's just, wow, you know. So now it'll be interesting to see if the Dutch can really pull ahead and come up with some creative ideas for changing their destiny. I'm guessing no. Yeah, I have to tell you, I'm pretty worried myself. Because it's probably impossible for the PVV Geert Wilders party to have such an overwhelming majority that they don't have to form a coalition. So who wants to work with them is the next question. Because of course these guys are deemed as racist and you know, but I know lots of people.

19:48 And they are all like, this guy's our guy and he's gonna change stuff, he's gonna make it happen for us, he's representing how we really feel. And I know that there is a huge undercurrent in Holland and Gitmo Nation Lowlands of people who really want to stop the immigration, which by the way, it's too late because that is now all being arranged by Brussels. You see, it doesn't really matter that the government fell now because it doesn't matter. It's the Lisbon Treaty came in, that was the whole point of this government was to shepherd the Lisbon Treaty, get that in, and you watch all these guys are going to go off to wonderful little spots in Brussels or maybe high-ranking officials at Goldman Sachs. You know, they're all going to get their little payoffs for doing their job.

20:33 and the only way to... they have to have some kind of revolution which will not be a color other than red as in blood to really change something. I think the likelihood of that is zero too. This is all leading to a civil war more than anything else. It is, especially if Turkey enters the European Union. They're going to have trouble. Turkey's going to have trouble getting in. Well, they're certainly trying. Yeah, they got it. They have a catch-22, unfortunately, built into their system, which is the fact that they have all these these harsh rules against anyone who is a fundamentalist. You mean Sharia law?

21:17 Well, no, they have a harsh rule about people even advocating that. I mean, you can be thrown in jail for all kinds of, for any sort of religious promotion. So the Islamists have, can't even talk about it. But since they had recently had some elections where an Islamist essentially has gotten into the government and kind of fighting these rules, the possibility is that that could be overturned and Turkey could go from being this incredibly liberal Islamic state where they have one of the best party scenes I've ever seen in my life anywhere. Oh yeah, I mean that is Istanbul is a party town, baby.

22:01 and uh... it's uh... when they drink a lot to affect everyone there was i was hanging out with you know we were the muslims who drink and that that That can be destroyed rather quickly when the fundamentalists take over. Well I think what will happen in the Netherlands is it'll pretty much be like Belgium, which also has been just basically out of control for the past couple of years where they just can't form coalitions, stuff keeps falling apart. But there's lots of opportunity. The main thing though, the main thing

22:37 is what would be great if they could achieve one thing is a sweeping change throughout the justice system. They have to kick all of those pedophiles out. Every single one of them. Because those guys, basically they stay, you know, unless the new government comes in and says, okay, you're out, you're out, you're out. These guys are not party affiliated. So that's what really has to happen because, oh my god, I mean, I've just been, you know, whenever something like this happens, people start bringing up weird things that are going on that the government has been in control of and the Justice Department in Gitmo Nation Lowlands is just so corrupt and so blackmailed because of all this, you know, all this weird sex stuff that they're into.

23:23 And I'm not afraid to say it because they've admitted it. They admitted it just now it gets suppressed in the media, but they've admitted it in writing. It's sickening. So that's really what has to change for anything to really change in that country. But we'll see. I think you need some kind of balance with the Geert Wilders. not to balance him, but to balance the people who are following him and who want him to win. You need some, just it's good to have some balance, like you know, like crackpot and buzzkill. So, you know, it's easy to go overboard one way or the other. And it'll be interesting to see who they can get in. But without a doubt, the PVV will win the election. I guarantee you that. Well, we'll see when they ever have the election.

24:15 I think it's the law, it's some form of constitutional thing. They have to have it within 83 days. So it'll happen. It will happen. So another thing that cropped up this week on our NOA agenda is this crazy article that you read and I read, it's been floating around, there's a bunch of discussions about, you know, apparently the Israeli Mossad had decided to go to Dubai and with a team of them and again kill some guy. Yeah, and they used fake passports? They used fake passports from mostly from Britain which irked the British because they were you know something somehow

24:55 found out about it the and then meanwhile all the Activity of these guys was captured on the hotel cams and they found you know all of them or they didn't caught any of them of course and But they put it all on the internet so people who can watch YouTube and see how an assassination works And then here wait here. Here's how it works doom to doom to doom to doom It's real simple. So and then so the Economist has this article which we do have a link to in the show notes that discusses the whole situation in such a weird matter-of-fact way that it left both of us and I think anyone who reads this article slightly stunned. Yeah because you know there's a

25:43 Let me see you read the relevant passage from this because it's it's not you know it this is now a part of the way things work For example the Israeli security isn't from the article the Israeli security services have never voiced any moral doubts about targeted assassinations Blah blah blah then they talk about some bungles in the past. I'm apparently all these things have been overly documented and they talk about the United States being a you know Reagan is the one who passed the law saying no, none of these is this is because he found out about it And he said no we don't want this so we want to be out of the assassination picture Yeah, apparently on February 3rd Dennis Blair the director of national intelligence Told Congress that American forces might sometimes seek permission to kill a citizen of the United States if he was a terrorist

26:39 This followed a report that Barack Obama had authorized an attack on Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical American imam in Yemen. And this is the disturbing part, is where this is the economist, and there's not like a little line after it that says, the constitutional correctness of this is in question or something to that ilk. I mean, if all of a sudden, and we know that the Patriot Act made it possible for anyone to be deemed an enemy combatant of the state, which what we're doing right now, John, the very fact that we are talking about the government in negative light could be deemed, we could be deemed as enemy combatants.

27:25 Yeah, luckily we're low on the list. Let's not grow the audience. This is a bad idea. We could be deemed terrorists and therefore we could legally be killed. without any, what is it called? Oh yeah, due process. Which is nuts and I've been doing some research into this as to how exactly this permission is obtained and how it works and I got something here from ABC News and this all kind of started with the waterboarding

28:04 Who's that lawyer, John Yu, I think his name was? Yeah, it's from the University of California of all places. Yeah, so this guy, this is the guy who basically, he's a lawyer, so he reads the law. He's a professor. Isn't he a lawyer as well? Yeah, no, he's a law professor. So he reads the law and he interprets it by saying, well, you know, it seems like you can basically waterboard people and it's okay. Because that's what the law is, you know, it's interpretation of language. And it goes even further actually further by going back, he did an interpretation when Bush was president and he said that basically if the president wants to, he can approve taking out an entire village. He can approve a massacre. And the Obama administration basically let these lawyers off the hook

29:00 Even though we all said, oh, well, waterboarding, that's not cool, you know. But the guys who said it was cool, they're okay. You know, they leave them in there. They can just hang around. That's not a problem. And it's frightening. And so here it is. When the president wants to kill an American citizen, he has to ask permission of the National Security Council. Who's running the place? So, well, that's a good question. The National Security Council consists of The Vice President, Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Treasury. So there you go. That's Biden, Clinton and Timmy Geithner. The Secretary of Defense, the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,

29:51 and the assistant to the president for economic policy isn't that uh... christy roemer is that that school teacher she's now on the death panel it's unbelievable yeah this is the death panel yeah this is the real death panel and these people are going to Yeah, I think we should kill him. It reminds me of that scene in Casino where they're starting to murder everybody. Right, and they say, eh, I love the guy but we gotta kill him. And the guy, he says, yeah, no, he's a good guy, he's not gonna talk to you any day, goes around the table to the one guy at the end who's the real boss of the bosses, says, eh, why take a chance? Yeah, we gotta take him out.

30:27 Great article in Salon magazine or Salon.com referring back to the big snafu that Alexander Haig who passed away yesterday. Made when Ronald Reagan was shot. I've been charged. Yeah, I know I'm in control here in the White House. He probably was You know, but that was like that that was basically his downfall But you know you said it right John who the hell is in charge right now in in the White House? so here's something that you know, I'm living in in la la land and And I wake up Friday morning and it's all over the, briefly, because of course there's a lot of distraction going on which we'll get to. There were 21 marijuana dispensaries were raided. In LA? Yeah, 21. Well, they couldn't make the news up here. No, of course not. It was all about the IRS kamikaze pilot and the Winter Olympics.

31:26 But yeah, 21 dispensaries. I mean, wait a minute. The president specifically said lay off, leave them be, back off. And the DEA, they're not listening. They don't give a crap. They've got their own agenda. They're just like, oh, let's go roll in. They probably ran out of marijuana brownies. They needed to bake some more. I don't know what's going on, but it's nuts. It's nuts. 21 dispensaries just rolled right in. Not a problem. Well, you know, this is gonna just make this is a good thing. Explain. It's gonna charge up the electorate when the when the marijuana initiative comes into play and bring this thing to a head. We'll pass this law and then see what happens. Yeah, you think so?

32:12 Full legalization, then we'll see if the federal government's going to push around California. I think it's going to encourage people to vote yes, who may be on the border, on the borderline or on the fence pole sitting, or whatever you call it. Sitting on the fence. It seems that literally no one is in control right now. It seems like the CIA is doing whatever they want, they're knocking people off left and right. You know, they're helping everybody out to kill people. We got drones overhead, you know, zapping people in the middle of the night. We've got the DEA running around doing whatever they want. It's just crazy. Yeah, well, Obama says they were going to stop and they didn't stop. There's something wrong. Yeah. By the way, there's a bunch of this stuff going on and what I call a pot wars. And now there was an article that just came out. It's actually I think about five or six days ago.

33:08 First US clinical trials in more than two decades on the medical benefits of marijuana confirm that pot is effective in reducing muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis and pain caused by certain neurological injuries or illnesses according to a report on issued on Monday on what last Wednesday Well, you know one of our friends mutual acquaintances You know I'm talking about from the office. You know is is sick, has cancer and she's smoking marijuana and it's really helping her. I talked to her the other day and she's like, thank God for this.

33:48 Well, that's a good thing. Yeah, because you know, she got chemo and radiation and she's like, yes, that makes you nauseous. Yeah, and she said, you know, they give you all this these pills and it, you know, it just makes you even feel even worse. I don't take the pills against the nausea. I just, you know, smoke a joint or make some tea out of it. And it's and it really makes her really gets her through. Yeah, I know. Well, I think this is going to be This is going to come to a head and if they're going to crack down just because there are a bunch of thugs. on something that the state of California has decided is illegal for its citizens, and then the federal government's gonna come in. This is not acceptable. Now there's one thing I wanted to, a little throwback to episode 175 from last Thursday, John. I told you that the video from C-SPAN had disappeared from its archives where Patrick F. Kennedy literally admits that

34:45 Someone in the a person in the intelligence community had essentially let the crotch bomber through by not allowing the State Department to revoke his visa Believe it or not Thank you to all our producers at least seven or eight people sent me the video was actually available on the The State Department's own website, although it is absolutely no longer available in the C-SPAN archive, which is weird It is available from the State Department itself and I just wanted to let you hear exactly how they talk. This gives you a little bit of an idea as to how out of control this is and how, you know, it's just like people are overruling one another and there's all kinds of agendas that are being... And before you play it, this is a long

35:36 meeting. Oh yeah, it was like two and a half hours. And all throughout until you got to Kennedy there was people that nobody seemed to know this piece of information and they were all saying all kinds of including Napolitano. Yeah, oh yeah, Napolitano either doesn't know anything or just says nothing. But she probably knows nothing about anything. I get that feeling. She looked like a robot. She's looking up and left her I don't know what she's looking. She's looking at the sky a lot. It's a very strange She's looking for the drone. Oh crap. It looks like a dolphin coming in and out of the water. She does

36:16 Anyway, so let's it's like a two minutes, but it's worth listening to This is the committee chairman responsibility But the question in the minds of a lot of us is, is that good enough? Now, my next question to each one of you is, if that situation occurred today, would it be any different? By the way, listen to this. This is the quality of the recording that we get. I mean, this is not my fault. This is literally the quality that is put out there. I mean, it's not like they're intending anyone to use this for anything.

37:03 We had a process that had been worked out with the interagency community and we have discovered that we did not have sufficient check marks in. There was no requirement in our previous process to have a check mark in the Rubric when we reported on the visa Viper meeting of somebody coming into an American embassy and saying we have concerns about a third party We reported that immediately, but we did not have in that process a checkmark that this individual had a US visa. Are they doing this on like a clipboard? A checkmark. This is like, this is like crazy.

37:44 Like so you come to someone so the guy's dad comes in and says hey the guy's a nutball He's gonna do something and they're like, oh, okay. We'll check that off on the list here Probably because already passed to the law enforcement intelligence community a list of everyone who gets a visa on a daily basis. We have now added that to our process so any person who comes in the embassy and makes a report of terrorist concern, not only to report that individual in our Visa Viper message to the community, but we add then

38:20 This person has a United States visa and we've also enhanced the name checking capability in that system to make sure that if there's a misspelling. Okay, so here it comes. So he has a visa. So what does that do? In the process does it revoke the visa does it we as I mentioned in my statement, Mr. Chairman if we Unilaterally revoked a visa and there was a case recently up here it is We have a request from it from a law enforcement agency to not revoke the visa We came across information. We said this is a dangerous person and

39:00 We were ready to revoke the visa. We then went to the community and said should we revoke this visa? And one of the members, and we'd be glad to give you that out in private, said please do not revoke this visa. There you go. So I think that's a huge story. I wonder who it was. Well, he wasn't going to divulge that in this committee, so he wanted to do it in private. Yeah, so it had to be CIA. Of course. Who else? Or FBI maybe? But who knows? Every time I see something like this and you have this whole process, is it possible that the kid, this is the, this is the kind of I'm playing your role here. Yeah, sorry. Every time I see one of these situations and there's a botched attempt and everybody knew about it and there was a strange Indian man at the counter and there's somebody was filming it and somebody else was arrested that was on the plane that nobody's followed up on, which was witnessed by a number of people that were put into, you know, cause everybody on the plane was put into a warehouse for a while and, and the

40:00 been spent one guy some other indian guy was arrested and taken out no one's ever said anything about that meanwhile this other this kid is uh... can't let you know in twenty three-year-old is it possible this was really an extraction An extraction? Of the kid. He was sent to Yemen. Maybe the whole thing was a scam. The kid never was a terrorist. He was just part of a bigger scheme to arrest this other guy. You know what I'm missing? I'm missing... You know, remember how... Colin Powell held up that vial of anthrax and like you know this much can and he should be someone should be sitting there on the panel holding up a pair of smelly half burnt underpants Going this could kill us all this is the danger, you know like some poop hanging off and stuff now There's none of that. There's none of that except for that bogus picture that Was at ABC had a picture of some unburnt underwear? Yeah, yeah, I mean

40:58 I was talking to Dr. Dave on Friday, you know, and so he finally figures it out. Wait a minute you actually you don't actually believe that the government was involved in bringing down the the the Twin Towers Do you and I said yeah, I have to say I'm a 9-11 truther and I got into it through pilots for 9-11 truth org And he said dude. It's impossible there I mean there's no way that such a big lie could be covered up, and I said Dave you're a smart guy the biggest lies are the ones that are easiest to cover up. If the lie is so big that people can't imagine that the government would do anything horrible, you know, like kill six million Jews, I'll just make something up.

41:43 You know, if you make the lie big enough, then yeah, people don't believe it. It's hard for people to realize it. Now I know you're not exactly on board with the whole truth or thing. No, but I am a skeptic about the World Trade Center 7 going down like a rock. Well, very interesting. And this of course got no play whatsoever. But on the 19th, so that was what, Friday, 1,000 members of the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth held a press conference essentially saying just that. They had like 28 locations in seven different countries and people went out en masse and said,

42:30 There's all these engineers, all these architects say this could not happen. These buildings being pulverized, not to dust but to powder, absolute powder. You know, pieces of debris being shot out of the building, you know, at 600 miles an hour. And of course, WTC 7 won't go away. World Trade Center 7 falling at free fall acceleration. And by the way, you know, I was watching the IRS guy in the airplane. That building was on fire like it was no tomorrow. They couldn't explain all the flames and that thing didn't collapse. No. How did World Trade Center 7 collapse? Because from what? A flying banana? I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Flying banana. Well, please go to AE911.org.

43:22 And take a look at some of the excellent research they've done, the powerpoints, the videos, the presentations. These are engineers. Engineers of the world can definitely get into this and understand the science. Oh, wait a minute, I should actually say that... The science is in! It's it's yeah, I mean we're talking what since you got out of this topic. Yes. I think we might as well bring up one of our Producers sent us a note about the Texas election. Yeah so this I think this does tie into what happened with the with the Austin kamikaze pilot and I have a lot of questions about what happened there and

44:11 I've been a long time listener of the show and I have to say that you've all been spot on with your suspicions of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. Up until about a week ago, I was a fan of both Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. I've really enjoyed Sarah Palin's conservative images as well. Don't do the Texas accent. That's unnecessary. I could talk to him with teeth. I could be like a rich Texas. Every person kind of image. I also enjoyed many of Beck's rantings against progressivism. And by the way, he did an interesting job at the recent meeting. uh... we'll talk about that too progressivism as well as the support for the tea parties i've even thought of beck as a modern-day paul revere as of this past week that all that change i believe a majority of people like myself who identify themselves with the tea party movement here in texas now feel very much betrayed by both beck and palin here's what's going on the texas governorship is up for election this coming november in the primary elections on march second on the republican side of the ticket we have rick perry k bailey hutchinson and deborah medina

45:06 In full disclosure, I'm supporting Medina. I also believe that many people who associate themselves with the Tea Party as well as Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty support Medina also. In fact, Medina worked in the Campaign for Liberty before running for governor. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You guys recall Sarah Palin's speech at the Tea Party convention where she encouraged the common people to step up and run for office against the career politicians. case in a senator says nineteen eighty three rick is running for an unprecedented third term i believe most would consider madeena defeated description yet palin goes in and dorses parry some may call it quid pro quo for endorsing mccain palin presidential ticket as for back he interviewed deborah madeena this past weekend it is a matter of nine eleven truth or yeah i know what's the band joel

45:50 Medina didn't do a good job of answering the questions, but tried to clarify herself on subsequent radio shows. The first interview came along was just enough to irritate many tea partiers, but Beck kept on accusing her on other shows. The local radio station, which carries Beck, is home to a couple of local conservative radio personalities who have all had their lines lit up this past week from people who are livid at both Beck and Palin. Many people are questioning why Beck is even going after a little known Texas gubernatorial candidate on his national TV show in the first place. And on yeah, and and I think that this so outside of why or why not or even if if Joe Stack was even flying the plane and there's so many things that are just unknown and so many really weird things like the hazard materials team just happened to be across the street the minute the minute that the that the plane flew in did you know that? No. Another one of these coincidences? Yeah, no actually I think not. In fact... Coincidence? I did not! If you want I can actually

46:54 There's a piece of audio, a video, here it is. Let's just play this. Oh, wow, I got a YouTube error that's out of control. That's new. Wow, YouTube is down. Well, I guess you're not gonna be able to play it a Wow No, it's it's sorry something went wrong a team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation Also, please include the following information in your error report and then there's like a whole long thing of hex I wonder if this video has just been taken down. Hold on Let me just see if all of YouTube is down. Hold on. That's interesting because this was a news report. This is why I always

47:33 Yeah, but it was a video, you know, what am I gonna do? I know how it's hard to record everything. Okay, well that seems to be working. So YouTube itself isn't down. Hold on. I'm getting a 500 internal server error on the actual video that has an eyewitness at the scene saying... Yeah, and she doesn't say hazard material, she actually says, oh yeah, the hazmat team was just across the street here. Who uses that? Who uses that term hazmat? Is that like? Yeah, thank you. So now all of a sudden this video is getting a 500 internal server error. Let me just post this into the noagendachat.com chat room so people can see if they can get a... There you go. There's the URL guys. You go and we'll have the NAM work on it. See if we can get a copy of that video.

48:22 So anyway, outside of that, the way it's being used because the Tea Party, Tea Partiers, there's no real actual Tea Party, one of their main drivers was, hey, end the Fed, stop the tax, end all this crazy stuff. So this guy is being associated with Tea Party because of his rant against the IRS, which by the way, a guy who does embedded systems It doesn't seem like a guy who would post something in Microsoft Word on his website. That was very strange to me. And Deborah Medina,

49:02 is, you know, she's basically on that same path. Although she expressed, I listened to the interview with Glenn Beck, she expressly says that, you know, she, you know, the 9-11 is a federal issue, you know, she's concerned about Texas issues and, you know, it's like, well, Glenn Beck launches in and says, well, if someone was a 9-11 truther, would you still associate yourself with them? He said, look, I'm not a mind control person. People can think what they want to think. But what I did is I did have a listen to Alex Jones's show Friday, I guess I heard it Saturday the repeat because he's in Austin and he had a lot of very interesting inside information He's had Deborah Medina on his show

49:43 She sounds very competent, I have to tell you, she sounds very smart. And of course Texas is probably one of the states that if they wanted to could secede from the Union. They have a very strong state constitution. I'd like to see that. Wouldn't it be fun though? Yeah, it would be fun but they wouldn't manage it. I mean, I know what the law says and how they did the deal, but it's not going to happen. They couldn't do it if they wanted to. Really? The hammer would fall. Forget it. Well, what is the whole thing about the 10th Amendment then? I mean, is that not real? Does it not hold water? I don't think it does. I think it's just a dream. It's kind of a wishful thinking that you could do this kind of thing. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. It wouldn't be able to be... Nobody could do it.

50:36 Did you see the Newsweek article about the top ten conspiracies? No, but before we get into that, let's finish the Medina conversation. I want to mention something kind of funny. We're going to talk about this a little more later, which just ended like a day or so ago. The conservative political action conspiracy. Oh, the CPAC. Yeah, I might add Ron Paul won the straw poll vote by 33%. Amazing. Yeah, I know people like Newt Gingrich got like 3% or 4%. The whole thing was hilarious and then nobody wanted to talk about this.

51:17 You know, they had all these different speakers and the thing ended with a Glenn Beck speech, which was quite well written. I don't know who wrote it, but it was well written and Beck performed very well, even though there's a lot of contradictory stuff in the things he said. And by the way, I watched Beck's show this last Friday and I think he really loads up on the Friday show. So if people want to watch Beck, maybe you should watch the Friday show. It was absolutely a, I mean, I have to give Fox credit. uh... might done who's not a little but you know as it was not a conservative by any means that might you know he's only he loves he thinks that the riley show is a bit of a work of art the way it's pre presented and but i think the glenn beck show it with beck just by himself carrying an hour is one of the really

52:01 finding presentation and this last friday shows actually fantastic so i was interested in hearing a speech at the c pack and it was a real interesting speech and i i have a clip from it later you know uh... you know our theory of course on this uh... program is that uh... the democrats actually run fox news and the more i think about it the more that uh... the tea party or the tea party nation i should say which of course is the sarah palin fraction pulls away from the Republicans, the better it is for Democrats. Oh yeah. I mean this is a party. Yeah, it makes like perfect sense for all of this to be going on on Fox.

52:40 So that the Democrats, as long as they kind of stay together, they'll, you know, they still have a good shot of winning the midterms. Yeah, and if you remember, I can't, we talked about this on one of the shows where they had a bunch of these characters, these ex-Republicans that are supposedly part of the Tea Party movement. They went up and they had a, I forgot what election, I have to go look it up again because we talked about it, I forgot all about it, but there was an election that was essentially split because some guy ran as a conservative and the republicans held this seat in congress for forever and they ran this crackpot so-called conservative against a republican who was a shoe-in and they split the party and the democrat got into this position that hasn't been held by a democrat forever

53:29 And so I think there's something like that going on and this is like part of it. And obviously Medina is a roadblock for some unknown reason, so they're ganging up on her. I gotta tell you, I've heard her speak. I like her. She actually gets the real numbers on the finances and she's got a no-nonsense attitude. I think she's pretty interesting. Thanks to the NAM, we have the audio and the video now of this eyewitness as reported by Austin The Austin NBC affiliate. And this so they're standing literally across the road from the IRS building and listen to this this eyewitness Is that the Home Depot parking lot where you were? It wasn't actually I was over in the world market parking lot. So it's about the same angle, but not quite Okay, and your name ma'am Megan Riley Megan Riley. How do you spell that last name? Are I ly okay great. Well Megan tell me what you saw this morning Yeah, well a little bit before 10 o'clock as I said, I was over there

54:29 out near the Mopac in 183 and the plane came flying over from, it looked like pretty much straight from the east. It was kind of curving a little bit. It looked like there wasn't anything wrong with it. It sounded like it was running fine. The engines weren't smoking or anything. But it was really low. on most of the power lines and it was clipping really, really sharply to the left. And honestly we kind of thought it was somebody just messing around, flying too low, trying to scare their co-pilot or whatnot. And so we heard the explosion and we looked out over here and the siding of this building had fallen down.

55:07 So yeah. Describe for me what that, it had to be surreal. It definitely was because like I said we thought it was just somebody joking around. We didn't think the plane was actually crashing when we saw it and it was so low that it was kind of one of those things like I didn't see the person but it was close enough that you could have seen the guy in it. Describe for me what you're feeling now as you see this. It's very surreal. It seems like one of those things you see on TV, not something you actually see. What are you thinking about for the people that are inside that building right now? I've heard most of them are okay, but a plane just hit their building. That's just...

55:54 That's ridiculous. I mean, it's 10 o'clock in the morning on a weekday. There must have been tons of people in there. And did you actually see the plane flying across 183? Come on. Get to it. How low would you estimate that plane was? I don't know. Well, like I said, when it was back there, which is what, half a mile or something, it was already, like, we were worried it was going to hit the trees over there. So, I mean, it was already coming in way too low. So whatever was going on it didn't get out of there. So maybe 20, 30 feet above the ground? What do you think? I'd say where I saw it at least it was probably about 50. Is there anything else that you would like to say after seeing this this morning? I guess, sorry, the one thing I would like to say is that I know the fire department got here real fast because they actually had an engine sitting over there that just happened to be doing something with hazmat so they were over here like right away. So he actually sets her up for the question.

56:50 Oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot to say the thing that I was supposed to say about the hazmat crew over there. Yeah, it seems like he kept waiting for her to say that. Yeah, I was like, where's the setup already? And you know, she's like, I didn't see the pilot, but I was close enough to see him. Was there actually a pilot on board? Well, she never said. She said she could have seen him, they were close enough. She never said she did see him. And I went to the Wayback Machine, because of course this website by Joe Stack was taken down. by the FBI, which makes no sense by the way. And if you look at the Wayback Machine, he did embedded systems for Teledyne and a lot of defense type contractors, including some GPS flight-based navigation embedded system.

57:37 So I don't know, you know, that's just, you know, why didn't he lit his house on fire but his wife and his kid weren't in there? And now there's a report from his daughter who lives in Norway from his first marriage who says, this doesn't sound like my dad, this note isn't written by him. So there's all kinds of weirdness around that, but I cannot help but think that we said something was bound to happen, that there's something is going to discredit, I actually said, you know, might be an attempt on the president's life, something is bound to happen. And while we were on the air talking about it, this takes place and it's immediately pinned on what is it called? Homegrown terrorism. Yeah, they backed off on that though immediately.

56:50 Oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot to say the thing that I was supposed to say about the hazmat crew over there. Yeah, it seems like he kept waiting for her to say that. Yeah, I was like, where's the setup already? And you know, she's like, I didn't see the pilot, but I was close enough to see him. Was there actually a pilot on board? Well, she never said. She said she could have seen him, they were close enough. She never said she did see him. And I went to the Wayback Machine, because of course this website by Joe Stack was taken down. by the FBI, which makes no sense by the way. And if you look at the Wayback Machine, he did embedded systems for Teledyne and a lot of defense type contractors, including some GPS flight-based navigation embedded system.

57:37 So I don't know, you know, that's just, you know, why didn't he lit his house on fire but his wife and his kid weren't in there? And now there's a report from his daughter who lives in Norway from his first marriage who says, this doesn't sound like my dad, this note isn't written by him. So there's all kinds of weirdness around that, but I cannot help but think that we said something was bound to happen, that there's something is going to discredit, I actually said, you know, might be an attempt on the president's life, something is bound to happen. And while we were on the air talking about it, this takes place and it's immediately pinned on what is it called? Homegrown terrorism. Yeah, they backed off on that though immediately.

58:20 No, they first started off as homegrown terrorists and they were pushing that real hard and then they pushed it toward the Tea Party. And so now you had everybody call him just a nutball and typical, you know, trying to, you're trying to associate the Tea Party people with nutballs. This is a bit, this is a main meme that's been going on. Even O'Reilly and Beck and everybody else have been saying, well, there's a certain percentage of them that are crazy. And the funny thing is about this Tea Party thing, I was thinking about this this week, is that I was, I was watching some of the protests and it was like, I'm watching these protests and I'm thinking, these protests,

58:56 The only thing that's weird about them is that they're being done by conservatives who very rarely carry signs and protest. But if these were all, say this was a left-wing anti-war protest from like during the Iraqi invasion with all those answer people and all the other crazy kinds of signage that was going on against George Bush and all the nuttiness. I mean, it's the same protest. Events are always the same. They got a bunch of screwy people there because they're just you know two four six eight Who do we appreciate pipes? You know what? What do we want? We on it now and all this kind of thing. It's so much imagination and creativity, isn't there?

59:36 Yeah, this same old jingles and it's just being done by different people. They're no different than the left wing protesters in that regard. So this trying to paint them with this brush, we're doing everything we can to make it say, wait a minute, you guys aren't supposed to be the ones ever protesting. Get back to work and let the left wingers do their thing. And then you get go back to your homes. Yeah. You nutball, nutballs. Oh, So, so it's it's you know and on the one hand, you know, you said something interesting I was reviewing the last show and I do this I you know, I we really work hard on the program and we think a lot about what we're saying what we hit we don't hit we try to keep it within some reasonable time frame and you said, you know, they're going too fast and I don't know if it was something you said consciously but

1:00:29 You know, it does seem like things are being pushed ahead like there is no central control anymore and things are just bopping around. We see the cabinet falls in the Netherlands. We're seeing this Newsweek article which I'd like to get to where Newsweek, this is Newsweek who are basically saying all these conspiracy theories, they're crap with no evidence by the way to the contrary. And then all these things that are taking place, you know, this Austin-Kamikaze bomber could easily be some form of false flag. All this stuff is just happening too quickly. And it seems like the wheels are coming off the thing. Either that or, you know, the whole sky is going to fall. I mean, it's one or the other, but it feels like

1:01:16 Someone's lost basic control over what's supposed to happen and maybe it's just greed and they're trying to get everything rolling as quickly as possible for you know before the inevitable happens. I don't know it just it it feels unsettling. Yeah, and of course they're doing the best job they can of coming up with distracting news. Tiger Woods' confession. Oh my god! What was that all about? I mean, that was without a doubt... The distraction of the week on the Woods agenda. Riley! Sorry? Damn near did an entire show about it. I know! It's like... why?

1:01:59 You know, and it's just, it's just, it's the upsetting, and we're programmed, we're, the people are programmed to care about this. And by the way, if you're Tiger Woods, and that, and you can choose from all the porn stars in the world, that is not the one to choose. Well, not only that, but all of them. My wife was pointing this out. She says, you know, I can see why Ellen was irked, not because of having an affair, but because of the choices. It's like an insult to her. Yeah. And the work that came up with identifying all these women that he apparently had was skanks. Yeah, big time skanks. But just

1:02:40 nasty, I mean not even sexy, not even hot. You know the one who came on with her own press conference right after Tiger Woods, you know her teeth are all jutting out and stuff. It's like, I mean I've seen better looking porn stars. And by the way she's not a porn star, she's a porn actress. I've never heard of this woman and I'm pretty reliably informed. So here this may be a clue John as to what's happening. This is an amazing story coming from business insider.com apparently many Citigroup customers, so I guess Citibank etc on their monthly statements there was a notice now I don't know John you and I both have a different bank that flies way under the radar of everything including TARP

1:03:28 This is the notice that was printed on Citigroup customers statements and I quote, effective April 1st, 2010, we reserve the right to require seven days advance notice before permitting a withdrawal from all checking accounts. While we do not currently exercise this right and have not exercised it in the past, we are required by law to notify you of this change. Seven days advance notice before being able to take money out of your checking account? What about writing a check? You can't write a check. I guess not. Well, they can delay it up for up to seven days. Effective April 1st, 2010. So, that's weird. That is weird. You know, and I would take my money out of Citibank right now if I had any there. Immediately! Yeah. Seven days!

1:04:28 This is crazy. There should be a run on the bank as we speak. Maybe it was done to create a run on the bank. I don't know. But you know, I have not seen this anywhere except BusinessInsider.com, which seems like a pretty You know, the whole banking thing is, you know, they're gone out of control with the credit cards. There's story after story. In fact, they have a couple, I didn't use them as clips, I'll try to do them on Thursday. Story after story about how these guys are basically, and the stories are handled like, oh, and the banks have decided to raise the interest rates to 30% and now from the minute you buy a purchase, you have to start paying interest, so there's no grace period, and they're going on and on. And that's just the way it is. Instead of saying, this is gouging,

1:05:10 Yeah. Does anybody notice that the banks or these credit card companies in particular are gouging the customers? I was having to think outside the other day. I was laying in the sun here at the Hilltop Watchtower and watching hawks circling overhead, which is just beautiful by the way. They're California hawks, right? They go right after your eyes. Yeah. Scratch them out. Maybe they had transmitters. I don't know. But I'm thinking like, you know, all these people, you know, the whole thing would be like, oh, you don't ever want to declare bankruptcy because, you know, you'll destroy your credit. And I'm thinking to myself, who needs credit?

1:04:28 This is crazy. There should be a run on the bank as we speak. Maybe it was done to create a run on the bank. I don't know. But you know, I have not seen this anywhere except BusinessInsider.com, which seems like a pretty You know, the whole banking thing is, you know, they're gone out of control with the credit cards. There's story after story. In fact, they have a couple, I didn't use them as clips, I'll try to do them on Thursday. Story after story about how these guys are basically, and the stories are handled like, oh, and the banks have decided to raise the interest rates to 30% and now from the minute you buy a purchase, you have to start paying interest, so there's no grace period, and they're going on and on. And that's just the way it is. Instead of saying, this is gouging,

1:05:10 Yeah. Does anybody notice that the banks or these credit card companies in particular are gouging the customers? I was having to think outside the other day. I was laying in the sun here at the Hilltop Watchtower and watching hawks circling overhead, which is just beautiful by the way. They're California hawks, right? They go right after your eyes. Yeah. Scratch them out. Maybe they had transmitters. I don't know. But I'm thinking like, you know, all these people, you know, the whole thing would be like, oh, you don't ever want to declare bankruptcy because, you know, you'll destroy your credit. And I'm thinking to myself, who needs credit?

1:05:48 You know, stop with the credit already. You don't need that car. You know, whatever you've got is fine. You know, just save your money, set a little bit of it aside, and then you can upgrade to something bigger later on. If everyone just en masse right now today walked away from their mortgages, just said, I'm not paying anymore. I'm not paying for that credit card. I'm not paying for, you know, there's not enough law enforcement to to actually do anything about it. If we all just said, you know what? Screw you. I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, they can't come in and kick everybody out. Of course we could never orchestrate something like that, but at the end of the day, who needs credit? Where's this magical thing coming from that you need credit? I don't need credit. I spend what I have and I stay within my means. Do you have trouble getting loans of any sort if you don't have a credit record? I know, but you don't need a loan. I want you to be in debt. Right, but what do you need a loan for? You don't need a loan.

1:06:45 You make money, you save your money for a rainy day, you pay your rent, you pay your basic food, and then what do you need a loan for? For what? Let me ask you this. Somebody wrote in on the complaining about our donation requests saying, why has Adam just bought a huge mansion in Southern California? What? What did you pay for the mansion there, Adam? Dude, I'm renting it. I'm renting it. And shall I tell you something? Because I have no credit in this country, because I left in 1999 and I would have to build up credit again. So I have zero credit. And the only thing I can show is investors who invested in my company, but I cannot get a credit card. I can't. I've been declined for every credit card.

1:07:33 And I just gave up because I'm like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lower myself to prove to these guys that I'm credit worthy. I don't give a crap and I don't need credit because I stay within my means. And I'll tell you something, the landlady that we're renting this place from, she met us and she said, no problem. Give me the deposit and you can move in on the 15th. And she did no credit check. And I said, honestly, if you want to do a credit check on me, it's going to be difficult because I have none. She said, okay, I trust you. And we have to go back to that. We have to go back to those days where you... And by the way, if I don't pay, she'll come here and she'll shoot me, which is probably the right thing to do. So we have to stop thinking that this artificial idea that we need to have credit and we need to have loans. And yeah, I didn't buy no damn mansion.

1:08:29 Okay, it's a house from 1930. You know the windows are scratched It's in a nice location absolutely, but you know I'm renting it and I'm happy and I don't feel less American. Yeah, we're gonna have a great party I don't feel less American about it about not owning it. That's another farce I Really don't yeah, I look at you you own your house there in in Berkeley You can't leave the damn place because you can't sell it In this market, yeah, you're right. You have to hang on to everything for a while. Yeah, I mean, you'd probably be under, I don't know if you have, I don't know anything about your financial status except that- No, I'm not under water. See, the problem is because I've always been a writer, I've never been given the kind of credit rating that a normal working person has. So we've always had to put a lot of money down and we've always had to have, we don't have a stretched mortgage.

1:09:26 So it's pretty hard to go underwater. So, okay, so let me read this letter. Now we're talking about people donating to the show every so often and we called out, I think specifically, India and France as just being kind of not, you know, too... Well, they've never donated. We've had one guy from France, I think. One from India, one from France maybe. Okay, so this guy writes, some Indian writes. Okay, I'll bite. I've heard you excoriate Indians for not listening and are making contributions to your No Agenda podcast. I'm an Indian from India, but I live in Los Angeles, an avid listener to your show.

1:10:03 You guys are a bunch of nuts, cranks, and purport to call yourself geeks. Geez, I have yet to find anything useful in your show that would move me to make a contribution. I am optimistic, though, that one of these days either you or Adam might say something that would make some sense to me. Maybe then I'll open my PayPal wallet. I doubt it. Tell Adam I like his earthquake machine rants. I had a theory at the time of the big Indian Ocean earthquake tsunami that was actually a manufactured earthquake whose goal was to tilt the Earth's axis to increase the Chandler wobble of the Earth's axis, which would cause some climate change, delaying the effects of global warming. And he thinks we're nuts. Yeah, really? Even I didn't come up with that one. So thanks for the podcast. One of these days you hit a nerve with me and I might move to donate. So I started looking into this and I realized that India is notorious for being cheaper than the Scots,

1:10:56 who are also, by the way, penny pinchers. And so there's like, in the cricket world, there's a big scandal over a player skipping a charity match. I read in a couple of blogs, I read from Silicon India here. In India, people keep the insides of their houses immaculately clean. This is written by an Indian, by the way. But the streets are strewn with garbage. It may seem like a small observation, but I think it says a lot about the Indian frame of mind. They're very attentive to their personal welfare. He goes on and he says, the effects of this self-centeredness are manifest in the conditions of India's higher education system. Unlike American alumni associations, which attract millions.

1:11:33 When the time is right, they expect students to fulfill their obligations with cash. Indian institutions rarely see returns for the top-notch and dirt-cheap education they provide. Grads from institutes like Harvard and Stanford send billions to their alma maters, and the Indians do not. And then there's a blog from Nadan, who is an American entrepreneur, and he makes this interesting... comment he says when it comes to a key sign of our interest in community the amount we give in charity we Indians are among the most tight-fisted in the world. The US has long been the most generous in terms of per capita donations and charity work. Our giving on the other hand pales next to

1:12:13 Indonesia, Thailand and most other Asian countries. So essentially the fact of the matter is I should stop complaining about the Indians because they're never going to give anybody any money. They're just a bunch of cheap bastards. So that's just the way it is. Now on top of that you have the French who I've complained about. Can you play the Glenn Beck commentary? Yeah, I just wanted to say is this where the term Indian giver comes from or am I confused? No, I don't think so. To me, that our government looks at the American people as the bad guy. We're not the bad guy. Stop penalizing us. Americans also don't need to be taught how to give. We don't need to be taught how to take care of each other or how to be... This is from CPAC? Yeah, this is from CPAC. Charitable.

1:13:08 We're charitable automatically. Why? We're Americans. In 2008, the American people gave $307 billion in charity. It was the second year in a row. This is the last statistic that we have. The 2008 second year in a row that it was over $300 billion. Per capita, that's 10 times the giving power of the people of France. Ten times the amount. Don't tell me we need to be more like Europe. Europe should be looking over here. How do we do it? We rock! Go USA! Fuck the world! Fuck the world! And of course, we should play right after that. Shysters show up and take advantage of people's goodwill and generosity. Our search and rescue team

1:14:06 We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets, water. Fuck blankets. Cash! Send your cash! So the point is that the Indians are what they are and the French are what they are and that's just the way it is. I should just stop complaining about it. However, we do have a lot of people who support our show in the only way that we are able to generate revenue and we can't do this for free. This is what we do and what I hope to be doing for a long time and I hope it can be the only thing I'm doing. Right now I'm supplementing my income by still pretending to work at Mevio. I'm going up again on Monday night, going up north. Meeting? Yeah, of course. It was for the Tuesday meeting. Are you kidding me? And I have to say we're a long way off from it being sustainable, but we're doing better.

1:15:03 It's nice to see a couple of executive producers on each show and just to show our and of course we had two nights today Which is great and to show our gratitude. We'd like to thank a number of people who helped us out in this past week Right, and there's also people have, we have a program that we're developing to do the stream and so we're looking for money for that. And so a letter went out to our normal contributors and it'll be a follow-up letter because there's still like 400 people that never opened this letter that will because we're closing this deal on the first of March and people who have gotten some notes from people, how come I didn't get the letter? I just gave you some money. And I said, well, you'll get the second letter because I have to add to the mailing list all the new contributors. But I want to thank everybody who gives even the small amounts. And some people come up with some creative ways of getting rid of their PayPal account or they've got

1:15:56 you know, some money they found someplace or they, you know, sending us blankets, even though we don't need blankets, we need cash, but really appreciate it. We got the supporters we have. We have some really strong supporters that give a lot. I mean, essentially they give us money every month or two. And we appreciate that, but we also appreciate the $5 a month donations I think that are important. And if you wanna get, if you've been listening to the show and you get anything out of it, I think we have a lot of good material and a good angle on things that make your cocktail party conversations much more interesting. Go to noagendashow.com or dvorak.org slash NA or channeldvorak.com slash NA and contribute.

1:16:40 And we would we do appreciate it does keep the show going it keeps us doing more work and makes us feel better and I have another minor plea In order for me to actually quit my J. Dobbing J. Dob your J. Dob. It's like it I've got that PCP laced weed again. Hold on. This is bad my day job. I If someone will buy my plane, and you can find it at tradewindsaviation.com. Yeah, there's lots of people listening to this. We had a couple nibbles this past week, and I need to get it sold pretty quickly because with this, what's happening now, of course, is going to be a huge clamp down on general aviation because, oh, you know, we have to do it. Where's the sales pitch, Adam? Good work. No, no, come on. Real pilots don't give a crap about it, but it's going to hurt the price.

1:17:37 And I'm selling it pretty cheap as is. I just want to move the thing. Get rid of it. Oh, my, you make the price go up. Sorry? You make the price go up. I just want to get rid of it so I can quit. Okay, well, get rid of it. Okay, trade with it. Trade with it. Trade winds aviation. No, I'm not I've been sick for the past five days like some surgeons of the swine flu Hey Adam, my name is Michael. I'm from Buffalo, New York I wanted to let you know this show gets me through my days at work I work at a porn shop and it's miserable by the way the streams dead No, it's not. Okay. I work at a porn shop and it's miserable which doesn't sound right. I

1:18:18 But hopefully I can make my way to college soon. Long story short, I'm 23. I skipped college to help my ex-stepfather with his mortgage. I play the show at work and customers always ask what station I'm listening to. My response is always, station? Are you insane? This show would never be able to be broadcast on on Citadel, I don't know what that is. Then I point them in the right direction to you guys. Anyway, I feel terrible that I leech off the show and never donate. Well, you know what? He's like, I'm gonna save up and he's gonna get on a plan. So I just thought it was kind of cool that we're now being broadcast in a porn shop. And by the way, you won't have the ASCAP police pounding down your door for rebroadcasting anything because we encourage it. Yeah.

1:19:05 You know it's illegal to do that with a radio station. No, no, and we want people to copy the show, burn it to CDs. I just got a Twitter from No Agenda Torrent who says, for the record, the French have never downloaded a torrent of the show, but India has. So there's leeches out there in India. We've never received anything from India, have we? I think we got one guy who's on one of the plans. Okay, so let me read some of the notes we got from people with their donations like $50 from Jared Shapiro in Somerville, South Carolina says, I will email in addition to the note, but I have been listening for over a year now to every show in the morning on the way to work. Unfortunately, my store is closing in March, so I'll have to find another job so I can keep listening to the show.

1:19:53 I would love it if you and Adam would check out the special documentary on the Tea Party. We'll post that on the show notes. John Kelly's, of course, he's just in a layaway program. Robert Haggadis, $103.33. And this is going to become a meme, I'm afraid. Unfortunately, I don't know if I should be encouraging it, but I think I will. I have another douchebag shout out. Oh, boy. Your list of that call out is non-donating douchebag friend reminded me to call out two that I know. So to Ryan Turner and David Dolson, pony up you cheap douchebag. On the side note, I run an IT, I run IT at a data center that was built as an underground nuclear fallout shelter. So he says we are invited to visit. Nikki Schumacher, $58 from

1:20:41 uh... brother who and i think that i'm not come on to the guys and let's just sure let's just sure right now very good you got it let's just sure uh... please wish and joel Phil Eole, a happy birthday. He'll be 32 on February 23rd. Happy birthday. And she gave us a palindrome, 21 plus 32 plus 5. Joel Phil Eole. Now, I would suspect that these two are friends in some way. And I suspect that she's doing this because Joel should probably be asking her to get married.

1:21:23 Oh, okay. I'm just guessing. That's nice. $66. So Joel, get off the stick. She's probably gorgeous. Yeah, I bet she is. Hot she could be. Let's see. Yeah, Nikki, come on. All Nikki's are pretty cute. $66.66. Jose Fontao. Alright, I've been called out by this is the guy by the way who was called out as a douchebag All right. I've been called out by Ben Roche, and I'm not a douchebag I'm calling out Sean McWhorter to do it. Wait a minute. I gotta get my finger on the button again He's just said Adam play the douchebag jingle now by the way. Thank you guys for calling This is the guy we called on his birthday

1:22:05 Oh right, okay. You know there's an iPhone app called a douchebag and it has a button on it you can set it and it will play douchebag in 17 languages. It's a fine app. I'm sure it will make half a million dollars easy. That's one of our fine reviews. Dallas Bedwell 55 bucks or Eugene, Oregon circuit 6 LLC I'm dr. Andy from circuit 6 an audio-visual lighting company. We listen listen to no agenda by the way He gave us 50, but we're thinking that he maybe should be given if you can prove this associate public relations of Person we listen to no agenda on job sites and play the show through PA systems on festival stages and concerts Wow, that's awesome

1:22:53 everybody free bird ray uh... re-named well the radio guy fifty dollars and five cents uh... jersey city eighty eight dollars and eighty eight cents from andrew he brand who in toronto he says uh... in the morning to you a bit late but happy chinese new year hence all the aids i wish to you good health and prosperity and a student uses student is giving his money at the university waterloo and after paying tuition here's all i can afford now for the record i'm in honor honors geography and environmental management candidate and I think your views on the global warming climate gate and the IPCC are ridiculous. Oh, okay. Also, I'd like to call out Richard Thomas Chin, a York University student who avidly listens to the show and is probably the only student at York who is aware of the mine control going on at that school.

1:23:44 All right, so there's our that's I guess it we're now where everyone's a douchebag And you pay for the privilege is wonderful No, seriously, though. We we appreciate it We are proving that there is a business model for this type of programming because it will not work with commercials And I'm working on my own manifesto how advertising just is broken all together at least on scale. We're proving right here that if we can build a small loyal community which we seem to have certainly at noagendachat.com that there is a way that out of many we can we can become one. Oh, e pluribus unum!

1:24:30 I just came up with a new slogan. You know could do I don't know how long the douchebag thing is gonna continue, but it won't last I'm sure well Let's hope it doesn't last Also, no agenda show calm for all of the show notes Which is a part of the offering that we provide to you there's actual work that goes into this program John and I are in communicado or throughout the entire week we're always looking at stories, looking at angles. I mean how many people do you know that actually text message each other and say, hey dude, something cool on C-SPAN right now. It's pathetic. It is. Mickey's sitting here going like...

1:25:21 Is it time to watch ugly people again? She hears the text message right? She's like, oh, oh brother. She's like, okay, well, she's like watching E, Chelsea Handler. You're like, all right, what do you got to watch now? But she actually gets into it. She uh... Some good stuff. We do have to go through a lot of boring stuff. So much garbage just to get to something. But you know what? It's what... what are those people called who are supposed to do that stuff? Journalists maybe? Oh yeah, that's what it is. There's more that we do on this show, which is all a part of our service to you. I am reading a phenomenal book, John.

1:26:09 It's called Side Effects Death Confessions of a Pharma Insider. Well, that should be good. Oh my god, and I have a link in the show notes, an Amazon link, so you can actually pick up a copy of the book. It's also available on the Kindle. It's about this guy who was born in British Guiana, and he eventually went on to become one of the top salesmen for Eli Lilly. And he's a whistleblower, but he's like 64 or 65 right now, so he's kind of retired and doesn't care anymore. But when you read how the pharmaceutical industry, with Eli Lilly I think being the most evil of them all now, they get the award, the gold medal.

1:26:53 What they do to hide people dying in clinical trials and how they bribe doctors. There's just some guy busted recently some doctor who for that last 15 or so years has just been phoning up numbers and he's every oh, that's then let's hire him. He's perfect. Yeah, so and this guy was you know, he's a sales guy and he and he He really lays it all out and it's a page turner. It's not a very thick book, but it's just it's a page turner. It's like boom. Oh my god. I can't believe this. Oh wow. And they make up diseases like ADHD. That was completely fabricated and he really focuses on the neuro

1:27:34 What do you call it? The neuro... Neurotoxins. Not the neurotoxins, but basically Prozac, the drugs that are supposed to help you out of depression. Yeah. Right. And he says, you know, the number of suicides that are done in clinical trials. They have people in a clinical trial hanging themselves. Hanging themselves. Yeah, hanging themselves, which that should never happen. They're supposed to be monitored. It's it's it's amazing to read it's a it's easy to read and of course the guy, you know has a interesting history coming from Coming from British Guiana, you know his holes It's only like the first chapter of how he got into got to London finally and got the study and got his first You know medical degree and then went on to become a top salesman for Eli Lilly, but it's just you must read this book

1:28:20 You're going to put a link to the show. You should probably get an Amazon account so people buy through our... Yeah, I have it through... I found out that I have an Amazon account. So you can... we get a little hit. I mean, it looks like... You get a nickel or a dime. It's not that much. Since we're on the topic, I got a couple of ads. Oh, nice. that are right down this topic's alley. So let's play the first one and we'll just talk about it for a minute. But what I'm liking about some of these is the music that Avidart uses in the background, which is just kind of calming. And they changed the pace. If you just listen to the music as the words are coming through, you can just see what an interesting sales pitch this is. I'm at the doctor getting my shoulder worked at. As we're finishing up, I mention I'm going to the bathroom more often. He checks it out.

1:29:10 Good thing. Turns out my urinary symptoms, such as going frequently, trouble going, false starts and stops, and going often at night, are due to BPH, also called enlarged prostate. BPH? He says over time, Avidart has been shown to shrink the prostate, improve urinary symptoms, and reduce the risk of prostate surgery. Only your healthcare provider can tell if your symptoms are from BPH and not a more serious condition, like prostate cancer. Do not donate blood until six months after stopping Avodart. Tell your doctor if you have liver disease. Rarely sexual side effects, swelling or tenderness of the breasts can occur. Avodart is for men only. Women should not take or handle Avodart due to risk of a specific birth defect.

1:29:55 Today's the day to talk to your doctor about your urinary symptoms and find out if Avidart is right for you. This is amazing. First of all, the music sounds like U2. It sounds like the beginning of a U2 track. Yeah. There's one line in here, by the way, that just kills me. So this guy's talking to his doctor and he says, you know, blah, blah, blah. I can't pee. It's not going well. Can't pee, man. And so, but at the end of the thing, they say this interesting, they make this interesting comment. Tell your doctor if you have liver disease. Well, can you imagine, hey, by the way, I've got liver disease. The doctor goes, what? I didn't know that. How do you know? It's your doctor.

1:30:35 Yeah, anything tell your doctor you have liver disease. I like this whole Jeep GPD what they call it BP BPH What that means he checks it out he checks it out is that hold on let me just check your cock. Oh, hmm Let me check your prostate good thing turns out my urinary symptoms such as going frequently Has a name for starts and stops and going off in the night or due to BPH BPH Boner prevention. I don't know, Hard-On. Boner prevention, Hard-On. Nice, John. Nice. So anyway, okay, now we got the Lunesta ad, which I think is even more interesting because they have a long laundry list of all the things it'll do to you, none of which sounds good.

1:31:24 But they have this, the sound effects they use on this one, it's just like it snaps you into maximum attention and so you have to listen to the ad. Listen to the bell, they play a, like it's like a boxing match. Okay, that's like, pay attention, you are going to die if you do not take this. If you've taken your sleep aid and you're still fighting to sleep in the middle of the night, why would you go one more round using it? You don't need a rematch. Wait, here's the meeting. Okay, I've got this great idea. We're going to do a boxing theme, okay? And we'll do the bell for each round. We'll use language that is related to boxing. It'll really work because guys listen to that.

1:32:05 If you've taken your sleep aid and you're still fighting to sleep in the middle of the night, why would you go one more round using it? You don't need a rematch, but a rethink with Lunesta. Lunesta is different. It keys into receptors that support sleep, setting your sleep process in motion. Lunesta helps you get the restful sleep you need. When taking Lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake. Walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities activities while asleep without remembering it the next day have been reported. Abnormal behaviors may include aggressiveness... I'm sorry, I gotta stop. Not remembering where you were the next day is part of the... And not remembering if you ate? Or if you walked around? Oh my god, this is good! This is good for ya! Driving or engaging in other activities while asleep without remembering it the next day have been reported. Abnormal behavior...

1:32:58 Driving without remembering it? Oh, this is awesome! One more time. I love this. Until you feel fully awake. Walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities while asleep without remembering it the next day have been reported. Abnormal behaviors may include aggressiveness, agitation, hallucinations, or confusion. In depressed patients, worsening of depression, including risk of suicide, may occur. Alcohol may increase these risks. Allergic reactions such as tongue or throat swelling occur rarely and may be fatal. Side effects may include unpleasant taste, headache, dizziness, and morning drowsiness. Stop fighting with your sleep. Get a free 7-night trial online and ask your doctor about switching to Lunesta. Discover a restful Lunesta night.

1:33:43 This is great. It basically puts you in a zombie state. Yeah, total zombie. You don't remember anything. You don't remember eating, you don't remember driving. This passed the FDA regulation. This is like, you may not... The FDA does nothing. Oh my god. This is... And switching from... Yeah, switching from what? This is not knocking me on my ass and making me hallucinate when I kill myself. John, we need to take this. Get something stronger, doc. We just need to take this. We just need to try it out. You may not remember doing an entire No Agenda show, but after taking Lunesta, you may get very pissed off at your radio partner. You may have suicidal thoughts, but you may not remember the suicidal thoughts. This is zombie meds.

1:34:32 This is fantastic. Why do people, you know, if you can't fall asleep, I think it's right. It's Roofies. Do more work. Yeah, really. Like, do not do not operate heavy machinery until you feel fully awake. Yeah, duh. Oh my god, this is fantastic. What are the visuals that go along with Lunesta? A woman tossing and turning in bed and then looking real calm and then a butterfly flying all over the place like this nightmarish hallucinogenic butterfly flying across the screen. Okay, so the whole chime thing is because this is what guys are supposed to buy for their women.

1:35:14 Because essentially you know the whole boxing metaphor gets guys attention like oh hold on a second now wait a minute The bitch ain't even gonna know it. She's gonna be asleep half the time You should get some of this and you won't remember a thing BPH benign prostate hypertrophy hypertrophy hypertrophy hypertrophy no No, I... you know, after you just said that pronunciation, I can't... I'll think of it in a second. Yeah, it's hard. Wow, I haven't laughed that hard in a week. That's a good one. Well, there's some other stuff we got here on the back up. For one thing, we could either go get serious and play some clips I made of a surprisingly good speaker at CPAC, John Bolton, or we can save that for the next show and play some bad acting.

1:36:12 I don't want to do bad acting. I have some serious stuff as well. If you're going to do that, then play my clip because I have some comment I want to make. I have to ask you something. What do you think about this? I just want to play the short clip of Obama on health care. Hold on a second. This was on his Saturday. Now he does that Saturday. Oh, his state of the, his fireside chat. Yeah. Right. Okay. The other week, men and women across California opened up their mailboxes to find a letter from Anthem Blue Cross. The news inside was jaw-dropping. Anthem was alerting almost a million of its customers that it would be raising premiums by an average of 25 percent, with about a quarter of folks likely to see their rates go up by anywhere from 35 to 39 percent. Now, after their announcement stirred public outcry, Anthem agreed to delay their rate hike until May 1st, while the situation is reviewed by the state of California. But it's not just Californians who are being hit by rate hikes.

1:37:11 In Kansas, one insurance company raised premiums by 10 to 20 percent only after asking to raise them by 20 to 30 percent. Last year, Michigan Blue Cross Blue Shield raised rates by 22 percent after asking to raise them by up to 56 percent. And in Maine, Anthem is asking to raise rates for some folks by about 23 percent. The bottom line is that the status quo is good for the insurance industry and bad for America. Over the past year, as families and small business owners have struggled to pay soaring health care costs, and as millions of Americans lost their coverage, the five largest insurers made record profits of over $12 billion. And as bad as things are today, they'll only get worse if we fail. So first of all, we have

1:38:01 Anthem, Blue Cross, whatever. That's our provider, Amevio. We did not receive anything in the mail. Well, your group thing is a little different than the way they, this is for the individual programs. But let me ask a couple of questions here that are rhetorical. One of them is with this health care bill kind of floundering, why out of the blue would these insurance companies draw attention to themselves, having as Obama points out rightly so, that they've made $12 billion in easy money profits? Why would they jack up the prices out of the blue to draw attention to the situation which is exactly what happened with everybody covering this?

1:38:44 So that question has to be answered in one of two ways. One, they were told to do it to get the public option thing back on track, and so they would come in, which was our original theory, by the way. Right, which is, yeah, all the talk now is about the upcoming... Public options back on the table. Back on, yeah. And there's either for that reason, in other words, they're in on this somehow. In other words, it's like, okay, Anthem, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a public option, but you're going to run it. It's going to be even more easy money, but we can't get it back on the agenda. Can you do an outrageous hike of the rates and get a lot of publicity? And that'll get the public all irked and we can get this thing going where it belongs.

1:39:29 Either that or they're jacking up their prices because they know their days are numbered and they want to get as much profit and run as fast as they can. One of those two things. There's no other reason to do this rate hike. Both of these reasons are essentially corrupt, but it has to be one or the other. It can't be anything else. Have you looked at the short positions? Because this was your original theory is that once the public option gets pushed through, then all those people who invested and got in short Well, basically, they'll clean up huge. The stocks all skyrocketed and they still are. As far as I can tell that this hasn't changed. But the public option thing has got to be a concern to people who are investing in insurance companies. And it has to be a concern to the insurance companies unless they're in on the game, you know, in some way where they were in the public option comes out, somebody has to manage it.

1:40:21 And then we love to outsource everything. And it seems to me that you just say, okay, Anthem, you're gonna be running the public option along with your own program and then you can transition and take over the whole thing if you want. This outrageous increase is just bogus. I mean, it wasn't done because of some, I mean, it's a scheme. It's part of a scheme. It's so obvious. Goldman Sachs will wind up running the public option. No, whatever. The whole thing is set up. By the way, where you were talking, I just want to mention one more thing before you get on to your next topic, which is that since you're talking about the pharmaceutical companies, I wanted to mention this article that showed up in India, in the India Today publication. Apparently, this 84-year-old Monsanto, I guess he's the head of India's Monsanto division

1:41:13 He's long since retired. He says that the guy worked for Monsanto for two decades, including eight years as the managing director of India operations. Yeah, he says on Monday he elaborated by saying the company used to fake scientific data. You don't say. The government regulatory agencies to get commercial approvals for its products in India. Yeah, you don't say. Goes on and on. Yeah, I know it's all like, yeah, well we knew this. And I had this fantastic page which now of course is gone. You didn't save page as? Hold on a second, I'll find it.

1:41:58 Crap. Anyway, the USDA, you know I've been on tracking the sugar, the falsified sugar crisis, the synthetic sugar crisis, and essentially this was a NASDAQ page which is now gone so I don't have time to go find it but I will get the original page back in the show notes, noagendershow.com, that it is impossible to fulfill the sugar need for the 2010 sugar crop without biotech seed. No brother. Yeah, impossible. The USDA is saying we have to use Monsanto, it literally says Monsanto produced biotech seed for sugar beet in order to fulfill the requirements needed for the 2010 sugar crop.

1:42:50 And, you know, they're like, well, you know, we really didn't look into how bad this stuff was because of course it's all been Roundup Ready seed. Roundup Ready resistant seed that's been used 95%. And so there's like 5% real SugarBeet seed still left over and there's just no way we cannot fulfill the needs of what people need in SugarBeet for 2010 without it being biotech seed. And Monsanto is the only guys who deliver this shit. And one more thing the guy in India said, he says, at the time Monsanto was getting into the seed business and I had information that a terminator gene was to be incorporated in the seeds being supplied by the firm. This meant that the farmer had to buy fresh seeds from Monsanto at a heavy cost every time he planted a crop. By the way, it's something like 200 or so,

1:43:39 Farmers in India all committed suicide like a year or so ago over some of this, the fact that they can't make their own seeds anymore. Was it 700 farmers? It was much worse than that. Well, whatever it was, it was these guys are being put out of, I mean, they're just being ruined. Here it is. By the way, sugar beets are essentially, you know, if you're going to use sugar out there, people, use cane sugar. The sugar beet is actually a toxic beet and the sugar from it has to be highly refined because the fact that it is a little inside information. If you buy a, like for example, CNH is a cane sugar company and I think Spreckles is, or Domino, is a sugar beet sugar company. If you buy a brown sugar,

1:44:29 You can't make brown sugar from a sugar beet. You get a brown sugar, but it has to be refined because the molasses that you get from the sugar beet, which is the part of the sugar that makes it brown, is actually poisonous. So when they make brown sugar from sugar beets, they actually get molasses from cane sugar and spray it in a special device and sprays and coats the sugar with this little brown color that becomes brown sugar. So it's basically it's molasses covering up poison. No, the poison is out. Oh, okay. There's no poison in what's left. The sugar is fine. I mean, the beet sugar, sugar, after it's been refined and refined and you get all that toxic molasses out of it, yeah, it's okay. But if you want brown sugar, which some people seem to prefer, you can't really make it from sugar beets because that molasses is toxic.

1:45:23 And so they have to spray it with regular cane sugar molasses. Any cane sugar, brown sugar, is genuine. It's not sprayed with anything. It's real brown sugar. And now, where'd I find this out? Well, I got, at one time I was an inspector at the C&H Cane Sugar Factory and they gave me this long lecture about every kind of sugar in the world and then when they told me about the poisonous molasses, I thought it was somewhat amusing. So here's the story, the supply of non-biotech sugar beet seeds available to farmers is insufficient if a federal judge bans the use of genetically modified seeds.

1:46:05 U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White could rule on the matter as early as March 5th, the time of year when most sugar beet farmers traditionally begin planting. Quote, there's not enough conventional seed to produce a crop this year, says Luther Marquardt, executive vice president of the American Sugar Beet Growers Association. The biotech sugar beet seeds under consideration were developed by Monsanto and are popular with US farmers because of the herbicide resistance they provide. Before these herbicide resistant seeds, farmers had to use several different kinds of herbicides that needed to be applied to crops at different stages of plant development. So, 95% of the 2009 sugar beet crop was produced with genetically modified seeds.

1:46:49 Please! I mean, how did you know that? No, I didn't. I didn't know Monsanto was making these seeds for... Dude, they're making everything. They're making everything. The FDIC, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, is opening a massive office near Chicago. And why would they be doing that, John? They like the windy city. Yes, and to handle the coming tidal wave of Midwest bank closings they are expecting. Might as well centrally locate. That's exactly it. They've got seven floors in Chicago. They're opening up a new office, 500 employees, because there's going to be so many Midwest bank failures. Like we might as well be nearby. Yeah, you know, we can walk over there. Quick bit of real news. I loved this.

1:47:44 from the Olympics. Oh shoot, man. You know what? The Olympic Committee took it down. That's too bad. You can't save these videos. Oh, crap. Yeah, there's actually a couple of programs that allow you to save these videos. Yeah, I could. Well, anyway, Sven Kramer is a Dutch speed skater and he won the gold. And it was so funny because he wins the gold, he comes across the finish line, he does like half a circuit and he skates out and then there's this NBC or ABC newswoman. It would be NBC. Yeah, NBC, of course. Sticks the mic in front of his face and says,

1:48:23 Tell everyone what your name is what you just won what in what metal you won and you know because she wants she wants to have like the piece right so the guy just won the gold medal right the gold medal for like the Sprint or whatever and she's like hi Please tell everyone what your name is what metal you want and what the event was in high school And he and his response is what are you stupid? It was beautiful, but of course the Olympic Committee took it down. That's too bad. What are you stupid? I don't see why the Olympic Committee has the right to take that down. It was a report. It was part of the deal, part of the contract. They have full control.

1:49:02 Very interesting. I refuse to watch this crap by the way the Olympic Committee should be tarred and feathered Yeah, people don't understand that this is one big commercial venture and business. Yeah, it's a big scam getting a bunch of people who work for nothing Yeah, these kids are working for basically for a pair of skis and an in a tracksuit. No they can't go maybe I mean, I don't mind people working for nothing. I think volunteerism is great, but this isn't volunteerism. This is a huge billion dollar operation that doesn't pay out to anybody. It's slavery. It's slavery. It's a form of slavery. So do you recall about a year ago we were noticing that the SDRs, the special drawing rights, were placed into all financial systems? And I've received a printout

1:49:52 these SDRs and This I think John is absolutely becoming the global currency that we've been discussing Because it had there's now an exchange rate against all different currencies versus the SDR And and this is now being used by traders in currency swaps, so it's this phantom SDR I'm not quite sure how they would commercialize that and use it for consumers but the possibility of SDR as a meaningful reserve currency is is absolutely possible. Interesting. Yeah, and you'll see that the dollar and the euro there's like a spread of 12%. You know, it's really, it's weird. Well, there's probably something happening about that. Just looking at Gitmo Nation, United States of Europe, it doesn't get any funnier. So, of course, we've been following that Greece is in deep, deep trouble. By the way, huge nationwide strike planned

1:50:55 this coming week. You know, there's no fuel already. There are fuel lines because the truckers are stopping. Everyone's stopping. They're just going to stop working, which I think is the right thing to do. This is the French way. And they may not know how to donate to the show, but they sure know how to get the attention of the elites. They just stopped the whole economy. So this is funny. Yesterday's news about the departure of the head of the Debt Management Agency, Spiros Papanakarlakarlou, I can't pronounce the guy's name. He is being replaced. So this is the guy who is in charge of the Greek debt office, and of course this is the problem they have, is they have this humongous debt, is being replaced by a former Goldman Sachs investment banker. It doesn't get any better. Unbelievable. These guys have no shame.

1:51:47 Why should they? It's just rolling right in. Besides you and me, who's complaining? Yeah, it's just rolling right in. They helped them hide the debt in the first place. By the way, Gitmo Nation East United Kingdom, turns out their debt is now over 12%. They could easily be next. Easily. They just had to borrow an extra 4.3 billion pounds last month. Pumping up there the forecast was 178 billion now to 180 billion. It's not going to stop. They are now over 12.8% heading towards 13% of GDP.

1:52:29 Which puts them in a very precarious situation. Now of course they can inflate their own currency which is smart, which is why they kept the pound. But this is not a very good situation. And it's nice to see that it's not just the US that's getting screwed. We may come out smelling like a rose when all is said and done. It's very possible. It's happened before, ladies and gentlemen. There's an interesting story that I'll put the link in the show notes, noagendashow.com. If you wonder what people are like, these politicians, this is a great story. That one of the highest ranking members of the civil service, I'm trying to find out exactly what his position is, it's civil service chief,

1:53:22 actually had to take Prime Minister Gordon Brown aside and speak to him about his abusive treatment of staff. And when you read this article, this guy he's like, he like stabs his pen into the leather of the car when he's pissed off. He jumps across the desk and grabs people by their shirt collars and says they're out to get me, they're out to get me. He's running around screaming and yelling at people that people are terrified at 10 Downing Street of him. Terrified! And it got so bad here. During one rage while in his official car, Brown clenched his fist in fury after being told some unwelcome news and then thumped the back of the passenger seat with such force that a protection officer sitting in the front flinched with shock. The aide sitting next to Brown, who had just told him the information that provoked the outburst, cowered because he feared that the Prime Minister was about to hit him in the face. I mean, I thought we had that, but no, he seems to have the same formula. Our formula is this.

1:54:24 We go out we hit people in the mouth. That's right. That's what Gordon Brown does and he adds to it Shut up, Sleep! Yeah, and they're running things. Hi Adam, John, I'm a junior in high school taking a US history class. We're currently studying the 1950s concerning McCarthyism and such. This is a 17 year old. The whole class took a survey adapted from a 1954 survey in S.A. Stauffer's Communism, Conformity and Civil Liberties, a cross-section of the nation speaks its mind.

1:53:22 actually had to take Prime Minister Gordon Brown aside and speak to him about his abusive treatment of staff. And when you read this article, this guy he's like, he like stabs his pen into the leather of the car when he's pissed off. He jumps across the desk and grabs people by their shirt collars and says they're out to get me, they're out to get me. He's running around screaming and yelling at people that people are terrified at 10 Downing Street of him. Terrified! And it got so bad here. During one rage while in his official car, Brown clenched his fist in fury after being told some unwelcome news and then thumped the back of the passenger seat with such force that a protection officer sitting in the front flinched with shock. The aide sitting next to Brown, who had just told him the information that provoked the outburst, cowered because he feared that the Prime Minister was about to hit him in the face. I mean, I thought we had that, but no, he seems to have the same formula. Our formula is this.

1:54:24 We go out we hit people in the mouth. That's right. That's what Gordon Brown does and he adds to it Shut up, Sleep! Yeah, and they're running things. Hi Adam, John, I'm a junior in high school taking a US history class. We're currently studying the 1950s concerning McCarthyism and such. This is a 17 year old. The whole class took a survey adapted from a 1954 survey in S.A. Stauffer's Communism, Conformity and Civil Liberties, a cross-section of the nation speaks its mind.

1:55:24 That was in 1955. The answer students in my class gave for the survey made me sick to my stomach. For example, for the question, should the government have the right to listen in on people's private telephone conversations in order to get evidence against communists? It had 21 votes for yes and 6 for no. This question can be seen as a direct parallel to the Patriot Act today, but in order to get evidence against terrorists, quickly after the question was asked of the class, uh, do any of you have any sense of privacy or personal liberties? I was quickly attacked by other students who claimed, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. I had to hold myself back from yelling at the entire class.

1:56:08 I hope, will hopefully be donating soon once I get some pot, some money. Being executive producer for No Agenda would look good on a college resume. It would. Love the show. Tom Lawler, age 17. And I'm very pleased to hear this, but let me just say one thing. Don't go off on the classmates. You won't win. Okay? You've got to find other ways to... You know, get into college, get into public service and run for president. We'll vouch for you. No doubt about it. It's just sad when I hear that. Oh yeah, you got nothing to hide, you got nothing to worry about. Slave. You want to do those Newsweek things real quick? Did you read this?

1:56:47 No, I didn't. Why don't you just go over them? Okay, so Newsweek came out with, and I don't know if it's in the paper version, but certainly online, Know Your Conspiracies, Newsweek's guide to today's trendiest, hippest, and least likely fringe beliefs. And it's written like by an intern. But this is Newsweek. So number one, Barack Obama was not born in the United States, so the truthers. But the way this is written... The birthers. Yeah, the birthers, I'm sorry. The way this was written is... You know, I think this whole thing, this whole... I've said it before on the show, I think the thing has always been a red herring, and I think it was done by... I don't know who's behind it, but it's obviously just a bogus distraction. The fact that this came up number one or is this number ten? No, this is number one. It's ridiculous!

1:57:40 So let me read you number two. The format of this article is, one, it's the conspiracy, two, it's the proponents of the conspiracy, and three, kernel of truth. So number two, of course, is anthropogenic global warming is a hoax. Kernel of truth. So this is basically Newsweek debunking this conspiracy. Deniers have long taken advantage of scientists' cautious statements. I like the use of the word denier. Deniers, oh yeah! And Climategate breathed new life into the movement. But the science stands. Warming is real and it's caused by human actions. The science is in! This is Newsweek! This is Newsweek!

1:58:26 The science stands. What a piece of crap. Goldman Sachs intentionally created the economic crisis is number three. Kernel of truth? Goldman undoubtedly did better than any competitor from the financial crisis and CEO Lloyd Blankfein even admitted, albeit cryptically, that the company had, quote, participated in things that were clearly wrong. This theory is tougher than others to debunk fully because there's no empirical data available either way. Nonetheless, while Goldman may have profited, that alone doesn't prove malice or conspiracy. Oh my God! It's unbelievable. Stooges. But Newsweek, my mom, you know, and you know my parents, you know, they had some government ties and stuff and you know she once gave me a subscription saying, you know, this is great, you should read this. It's like, this is Newsweek. This is not reporting, this is like Cointelpro.

1:59:26 Just laying it right out on the line. From our two to the head. This is just funny. Remember the Lockerbie bomber? He was released. Yeah, and pissed because he couldn't tell his side of the story. Yeah, why was he released, John, do you recall? Well, yeah, because it looks like they had turned up evidence to show that the real culprits were somebody else and they were going to bring this out in court. And so they decided to release him and ship him out of there as fast as they could. Right. That's the real story. But what was the cover story that was used?

2:00:03 I forgot what the cover story was. It was on compassionate grounds because he had cancer. Because he's dying or something. He's gonna be dead in a minute. Well, turns out he's living in a luxury villa, still alive six months after being at death's door. You gotta love it. Yeah, well who's following up on this? There must be a hot Newsweek story that's pointing out this discrepancy. No, it's only those two jerk-offs from No Agenda. And from the out there files, Thursday the Large Hadron Collider powers up once again. So hunker down everybody. Here it comes. This is so bad. This is so bad. I hope this thing blows up again. It will. By the way, we're called Big Bangers now. Oh, is that what we're called? Yeah, Big Bangers. If you don't trust it, you're a Big Banger.

2:01:00 Because it's going to create where they're supposed to duplicate the Big Bang. Yeah, so it seems to me if you're gonna do that it would blow up the universe. Yeah, or create a black hole. And then there's an article that... The black hole is not the issue. Here's an article that comes from Belgium, so I'll have to translate on the fly. Romanian authorities found a or found hundreds of kilograms of heroin hidden in a truck which was on its way to Haiti. Oh gee! Yeah, medical supplies. Yeah, real medals. It was hidden in the braking system somehow. Hundreds of kilograms of heroin in a truck. This was reported in the Belgian press? Yes. I have the link in the show notes. I don't have any evidence of that being reported in the US press. No, I don't think you'll see it at all.

2:01:55 So, you know, like Haiti is becoming a very interesting place. And there's also, there's a lot of news stories that is kind of coming through, but, you know, there was this guy who was a legal advisor for American missionaries who were arrested on child kidnapping charges in Haiti. He himself is now facing allegations of human trafficking in El Salvador. You know why? Because they're all pedophiles! They're all trafficking little children and abusing them! And the whole system is rampant with them. Ugh! Missionaries. Disgusting. It makes me want to puke. What a cover story. And this guy is the legal advisor, now he's in trouble for human trafficking. Of kids. Unbelievable. It's enough to make you just go crazy.

2:02:48 Do you have anything John because you have a couple more clips you want to leave that? One of the things I want to I want you to do at the end of the show we're done with the theme using we're out of here I want to play the three Bolton clips in a row really one after another, huh? Yeah Bolton on sovereignty Bolton on treaties and Bolton on taxes. These are actually three probably a CPAC show I think these are the three best little ditties that you're gonna hear from the whole event and And his thing on sovereignty is actually quite interesting. And we'll probably want to talk about this and maybe even talk about it with the clip again some other time. But he sees things from a different perspective. He actually was quite funny on this thing. I never liked him. Tell people who he is, just so they know. He was the former UN ambassador under the Bush administration, who was always seen as there's a lot of bad information or there was a bunch of...

2:03:36 There was a bunch of slanderous, there was a hit piece done on him before he got the job as some sort of a horrible guy to work for and he yelled at people and he was an asshole basically is what everyone said. And you can see him being kind of an asshole maybe, but the fact of the matter is his speech was outstanding. And the points he makes about sovereignty, about the treaties that we shouldn't be signing because of our sovereignty, we're an independent country, we don't want to be part of some other bogus thing run out of Brussels. I mean, essentially what he's saying is that the Europeans, when they form the European Union, now want to make it bigger so they can rule over us too, which is what they've tried to do with wars, but they haven't been able to, and now they're going to try to trick us. Yeah, exactly. And it's all part of the whole trilateral system.

2:04:23 So, uh, but meanwhile, before we go, at least we can play one of the CSI clips, the pharmacy scene, which I want to explain because it's so hilarious. First of all, we'll just play it now. I just got a real time hit on Joseph Winston's stolen phone. I'm waiting for a suspect to turn it on. Triangulation trace it to a pharmacy on Riverside Drive. And I just tapped into their security cams. Oh, that's him. That's Casey Steele. What? What's he waiting for? Lindsey, call the pharmacy. Tell them to take their time. Danny, call Hawks and Flack. They're going shopping. What? So, by the way, they showed this pharmacy, and it's a little hole-in-the-wall crap hole pharmacy. Of course. But meanwhile, they got cams that they can tap right into at the police department. They triangulate in three nanoseconds. Yeah, turn on the cam.

2:05:22 Oh my god, then this is meant to make you believe that they can do this stuff. This is poisoning the jury pool of this country. It's mind control is what it is. Mind control. So anyway, so we'll play the Bolton stuff at the end and that would be, this is probably the only clips we need. Alright, then let me just end on a really happy news note here, John. Yeah, this is good. As you know, we're planning to visit Many of our producers around the world, we need to get to Australia, we need to get to Gitmo Nation East in Europe. We must put Switzerland on our list, John.

2:06:00 Swiss prostitutes are now being trained to use defibrillators in brothels in case heart patients go into cardiac arrest. Yeah, no, apparently a bunch of people have been dropping dead in Swiss brothels. Which tells me that there's something good going on there. Sounds like they're doing their job at least. Alright, we've overstayed our welcome once again. Yeah, we're doing like two hours a show now. It's too long crapola. Hey help us out go to no agenda show calm Dvorak org slash na or channel Dvorak comm slash na and donate and get on the $5 a month program or the $33 a month program

2:06:48 Coming to you from Gitmo Nation West in Southern California at the Hilltop Watchtower. My name's Adam Curry. And from the Northern Silicon Enclave, it's actually starting to drizzle now, which is good. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again early Thursday morning right here on NO Agenda. clear where this is coming from, from comments made by the new president of Europe, Herman Van Rompuy of the European Union on November 19th when he took office. Europeans take the presidency of Europe seriously, so I suppose we should, but anyway, Herman Van Rompuy.

2:07:33 Herman Van Rompuy said, and listen, this was before Copenhagen, but he said, 2009, remember that epic year that the President talked about? 2009 is also the first year of global governance with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step toward the global management of our planet. Now, nobody in Europe laughed when their president said that. And it's important when you remember the

2:08:09 adulation of one student after a speech the president made on his first European trip. He said in awe in his voice, he sounds like a European. That's where the problem is. We're going to see more efforts on climate change. The collapse in Copenhagen has not discouraged the advocates. And this is something that we need to be concerned about, whatever you think about the extent of global warming, whatever the extent you think about its man-made causes. Because the people who support the sorts of state control, state regulation and international taxation that were being talked about in Copenhagen would advocate those same policies whether the problem was global warming, global cooling or the Earth's temperature wasn't changing at all. This is a statist agenda we have to reject.

2:09:07 The threats to American sovereignty are going to come in a variety of other areas as well. I foresee at some point that the President will find a way to once again sign the treaty creating the International Criminal Court. Secretary of State Clinton said last year that it was, and I quote, a great regret, but it is a fact we are not yet a signatory to the Rome Statute which created the court. Again, in the Bush administration, we took the US signature off that treaty, which was a direct threat to American sovereignty.

2:09:45 The President has made it clear he wants to see a lot more of American foreign policy run through the United Nations system. And he also wants to see the U.S. perceived as more engaged internationally. So there are a lot of treaties out there that have withered for a long time. I think at the appropriate moment, the administration will make another effort to get them ratified by the Senate, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. You know, there's a theme here. In the United States, at our federal level and state level, we have dealt with questions of discrimination on the basis of disability and gender.

2:10:32 And a whole range of issues. We in this room would probably disagree over what the appropriate measures are. There'd be a broader disagreement within the American population as a whole. But you know what? As Americans, we are capable of passing our own laws on these subjects. You do not have to have a substantive position on these treaties or questions like the death penalty or anything else to say they are not matters for international negotiation. They are matters for democratically elected governments like ours to decide on our own.

2:11:14 And finally, I could go on with a lot of other examples, but finally one that I know is important is the threat of international taxes. Now the UN and other international bureaucracies despise the American system where Congress has to appropriate money to pay our assessments and pay expenses of these organizations because Congress is so uncooperative. So they have looked for years to find ways to fund international organizations without having democratically elected representatives make decisions. Prime Minister Brown of the United Kingdom is proposing an international bank tax

2:11:56 The French have proposed taxes on international airline tickets. The whole point is, obviously banks and airlines don't pay taxes. You pay taxes, and you would on bank transactions and the purchase of these tickets. It's to get a way of funding, whether it's the climate change organizations, the International Monetary Fund, the UN itself, These various taxes come in complex guises. They're often hidden. Whenever anybody identifies one of these taxes, it doesn't matter what the purpose is. It doesn't matter how grave the situation. Once the American people lose the ability to determine where they will be taxed, we have lost the revolution, my friends. So let me conclude.

2:12:48 You know, many reporters ask the question, are we more secure today than we were a year ago? I don't have any trouble saying we weren't, but honestly, that's not the right question. The real question is if President Obama continues the kinds of policies he's been pursuing so far, The right question is how secure will we be three years from now compared to when he was inaugurated. And that is the most troubling aspect of all. What we need to do is keep up the debate for the next three years, not be distracted by other issues. We need a sustained, unremitting effort until 2012 when we can evaluate our presidential candidates based on their ability to defend our nation.

2:13:33 We do this, you don't have to see spin