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00:00 It's clippy on steroids. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, November 23rd, 2023. This is your award-winning keyboard agent media assassination episode 1610. This is no agenda. Accepting accelerationism and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where everyone's watching Thanksgiving gay parade. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Which has been interrupted by protesters! Did you see it? I saw some clips of the protesters. Yeah, they've... The parade has stopped. I watched a parade on NBC which is not affiliated with blah blah blah. And I didn't see any gay anything.

00:50 Any what? Any gay anything? Well, there's supposed to be all these gay, the big gay, some of the gay dancers. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is the Palestinian protesters. The gays are stayed home for the Palestinian protesters. No, no, they're supposed to be gays incorporated into parade. There were like two gays. Trans, I'm sorry, not gays, trans. It's a different, queers. It's a different. Queers for turkeys? All I know is I didn't get to see much. No, hey Mimi who did the big giant list today the big giant Oh the giant low the donation list you mean no the list the meat is the meat it's not that giant Oh, she said it was a huge one today. Well. She was talking to me never mind oh People to

01:40 Wow. Yes, yes. Oh, oh, oh, Anaconda Dvorak. Yes, yes. What can we do for you? She said, you never plug the book anymore. Oh boy. Wow. She's getting feisty. Yeah. Well, it's never been. One of our, one of our producers plugged the book just the other day and the meetup segment, they were plugging it. Never plugged the book anymore. What, sales are slacking off and now she's like she has to come to the No Agenda show to fix it? Hello? I didn't mean to insult you. Sorry, you said it. I said it, you said it just as you said hello. I didn't mean to insult you. Hey, hold on a second. Are you there? Yeah. Okay, well what happened? We'll see. I may have to switch networks. Oh, okay. Anyway, I believe this is the first Thanksgiving

02:43 that you and I celebrate together, we both have turkey calls. Oh, that's right. Yes, we both have a turkey call. Where's your turkey call, man? Come on. That's a good question. Don't tell me you don't have your... It's the one day when you should be... I never even thought about it. Wow. You're too busy worrying about too many eggs.com. There you go. Turkey call. Well, while you're looking for that, in along the lines of your newsletter, which was very good as usual. I will play a clip from a from I believe this to be a millennial aged woman in America. Looks like there you go. There you go.

03:29 Looks like she's got a nice little nice pad out there in the wilderness She's just sitting on a nice balcony, and she just doesn't believe in traditional Thanksgiving. Oh, no Can we decolonize Thanksgiving the same way we decolonized Columbus Day? Can we rename Thanksgiving to Tribal Nations Day? A day where we still have dinner with our families or our friends or our fur babies But we also uplift native voices and native businesses and we learn the true history of tribal nations within this country. And where we decolonize our landscapes and plant native plants instead of invasive species and that will in turn also support native wildlife and to decolonize our foods and incorporate traditional foods from within our area.

04:18 I think all of this will help decolonize our spaces. Decolonize our spaces! Why can't we just have traditional, like, Thanksgiving? You know, where we just all get together and we thank, we give thanks. Everybody wants to make a fuss. Yes, everybody does want to make a fuss. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell everyone the true story of Thanksgiving as you often do on this day of giving thanks? Well, I wasn't prepared to do that even though I've done it every year. There was a link to the story in the newsletter, from a previous newsletter, which I discussed in great detail, but it largely was kind of came into being as a day of Thanksgiving. It was always called after soldiers were killed in the, after the Civil War, Lincoln actually initiated the, would

05:13 I think amounts to the current Thanksgiving Day. But the initial story is just bogus. And there was a harvest festival, they had something that kind of came and went for a couple of years. But no, the whole Thanksgiving story is completely false. And so I've always thought that it was under pressure to be changed to something else. But- National Tribal Nations Day is taking it a bit far. Yeah, but see, the problem is, It's like Thanksgiving's become a tradition, I think since the Depression. And it gives you that extra, the key is that extra Friday off. If you start messing with Thanksgiving, you're messing with that extra day off and the whole thing can go away and you're gonna lose a four day holiday in the middle of nowhere, which is really people prized. It's a big deal to get that many days off

06:09 Bogus holiday. Yes, and it's always a don't change it. It's a difficult one particularly for for Americans post-covid because you know we have to get together with our families and families were split were ripped apart over divides not just there was at least a year or maybe two where you It was like illegal to have Thanksgiving dinner because you would kill grandma grandma. Oh, I need be dead So, you know, we still have these uncomfortable conversations What are we going to talk about the table particularly if it's if it's a political divides and families and there was a lady who called in on C-SPAN and told us what she was going to tell her relatives at the

06:52 Thanksgiving table today. Hi, how are you? Morning. I have a couple of comments when it comes up at my family's Thanksgiving dinner. I will remind my family because we're all dog lovers. I don't think Trump loves dogs. He's always cutting down dogs and treating terrorists, calling them dogs. And anyone that has no compassion for animals is not on my bucket list. So I'm going to remind them about that. Trump hates dogs. Bucket list. He's not on my bucket list if you hate dogs. Hey lady, I was a dog hater for a long time. I've come around. It's true. But I will say I'm very thankful this year, extremely thankful for No Agenda Nation.

07:37 for the clip collector, the clip custodian, for our end of show mixers, for our artists, for our producers. Yes, for every single producer who delivers time, talent and treasure to the show. I'm grateful that we get to do this even on this day of giving of thanks. National Tribal Day, Nation, what is it, Tribal Nations Day. First Nations Day. First Nations Day. And of course, I'm thankful for you, John. I'm very thankful for you. Oh, isn't that sweet? I mean that. I'm thankful for you. Yeah. And we've taken to ask, we were shopping yesterday and we, and we, you know, when we encounter someone, we say, what are you thankful for this year? And it's, it takes many people by surprise. What? What?

08:24 They haven't even thought about it. This is how deep we've sunken in this country, in our country. And people don't even think about, well, isn't it, I'm thankful for Black Friday, thankful for Cyber Monday, you know, get me on some deals. In fact, this is Black Friday week. It's Black Friday in the Netherlands. I mean, they have Black Friday. England has the same thing they bought into it. Black Friday. But there was one moment which took us aback as Tina was buying a tree ornament as a gift for someone. And she says to the checkout lady, probably about 40, I'd say, late 30s,

09:04 What are you thankful for?" She says, I am just happy to be alive. I'm like, yeah, praise the Lord. Yes! She says, because I had a heart attack last year. I'm like, what? She says, yeah, came out of nowhere. Tina and I look at each other like a whole mess. Yeah, and I should have said that. Gee, I forgot. Hey, did you get the vax? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Anyway, it's been a fantastic week as the Great Awakening has begun. I already felt this was coming as I was texting with Taxi Eric about the Dutch elections. And Christina and my nephew both were saying, we're so sick of this. We're so sick of everything. I think Christina said, you know, the leftists in our country, they really have nice unicorn dreams. We're sick of this.

09:55 And they all voted for Geert Wilders. In the Netherlands, the Dutch populist Heet Wilders appeared headed for a landslide election win tonight in the latest far-right victory across Europe. Supporters celebrated this evening in The Hague as projections showed Wilders' anti-Islam, anti-immigration party winning the most seats in parliament. He called for a governing coalition. Now the campaign is over and the voters have spoken. And now we will also have to look for agreements with each other. From a wonderful position with 35 seats, we can no longer be ignored by any party.

09:04 What are you thankful for?" She says, I am just happy to be alive. I'm like, yeah, praise the Lord. Yes! She says, because I had a heart attack last year. I'm like, what? She says, yeah, came out of nowhere. Tina and I look at each other like a whole mess. Yeah, and I should have said that. Gee, I forgot. Hey, did you get the vax? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Anyway, it's been a fantastic week as the Great Awakening has begun. I already felt this was coming as I was texting with Taxi Eric about the Dutch elections. And Christina and my nephew both were saying, we're so sick of this. We're so sick of everything. I think Christina said, you know, the leftists in our country, they really have nice unicorn dreams. We're sick of this.

09:55 And they all voted for Geert Wilders. In the Netherlands, the Dutch populist Heet Wilders appeared headed for a landslide election win tonight in the latest far-right victory across Europe. Supporters celebrated this evening in The Hague as projections showed Wilders' anti-Islam, anti-immigration party winning the most seats in parliament. He called for a governing coalition. Now the campaign is over and the voters have spoken. And now we will also have to look for agreements with each other. From a wonderful position with 35 seats, we can no longer be ignored by any party.

10:32 Before the election, mainstream Dutch parties largely dismissed any talk of a coalition with Wilders. A very poor report from PBS, but what do you expect? Well, that was pretty lame, but it is interesting how the other parties refused to have anything to do with him and now he wins. That's not true, but that's also not true. Yeah, well good. This shows that the report is worse than I thought. The other, so there is one large party, the Green and Labour Party, they got together and still couldn't get enough, nowhere near the amount of seats that Geert Wilders got. But he actually changed his message about a year ago and he said, look, look, Kijk,

11:16 He really pulled, he dialed back the Islamophobic stuff, which he never was Islamophobic. He said we don't need immigration in our country, we're not an immigration country. And Islam brings trouble. He dialed that back and said, alright, everybody who's here, you're Dutch, you're Dutch, I'm here for all Dutch people. And the VVD, which is the center-right party, they got a new gal to run the show, and she said, you know, we could actually work with Geert Wilders. So now you have... and he's like, the far right! I mean it's the same thing in Argentina. Well, I got that too, but let me just let me just tell you I mean so the so Europe is Clutching its pearls over this. Oh, no, they're all gonna fall far right? Oh, no, we're shocked. We're shocked Of course Le Pen and France is like hey, this is good. Everyone's got a shot now still won't work there France is saying

12:17 Oh no, this is a problem. And they kind of recognize that immigration is an issue. Scandinavia, you know, like, oh far right, Islamophobe! But this is what he handily did. The guy has been in Dutch politics for almost 25 years and he finally got his shot because it was time. Everybody was sick. And the reason why the Dutch government fell, the cabinet fell, is over immigration. People are waiting in the Holland. This is socialist country. They're waiting five years on a list to be allowed to rent a home and incomes

12:55 Hey, I'm an asylum seeker. I'm taking you home. Thanks government. So people were sick of it Just a couple of these clips as BBC NewsHour had their typical slant the first exit polls from the Dutch general election are showing a commanding lead for the far-right populist anti-immigrant Freedom Party led by here to build us The other main player in the ballot, former EU Commissioner, Frans Timmermans, left-green alliance did better than predicted in the polls. Our correspondent Anna Holligan joins us from The Hague. And Anna, this lead for the Freedom Party led by Geert Wilders, is it substantiated by early results?

13:38 There's a lot to unpack there, isn't there? These results surpass I think probably even his own greatest expectations. Geert Wilders' Freedom Party is indeed the largest party and what that means is not necessarily that he will be the next prime minister of the Netherlands but that he will be given the first opportunity to try to form a coalition government and we have had an indication from him already he has made a victory speech and he appears to be reaching out to the other parties signaling he's prepared to compromise, saying he wants to control the tsunami of asylum within the limits of the constitution.

14:19 Well, obviously the people in the Netherlands have voted for the party that they wanted, but this will be causing some nervousness I would imagine in Brussels. Absolutely, yes. Skirt Wilders fails to convince enough other parties to join him in a governing coalition. If the other parties refuse to do that, they will be accused of failing to listen to the voice of the people when such a significant portion of the population have voted for this man. And just in the context of Brussels, bear in mind in his manifesto he has offered the possibility... Manifesto? Oh, now he has a manif... Isn't that interesting? It's called a party program? But the BBC calls it his manifesto.

15:21 fascism or Hitler. Yes, yes with manifesto which means you're... And manifestos you got your communist in there with the manifesto. Yes. This is a ridiculous report. And the same goes for... By the way mispronouncing his name over and over and over again is also a form of insult. Of course. And the BBC should know better. So then we have the same thing happening in Argentina, and he is by his own description a libertarian, which is, forgive me if I get it wrong, but libertarian is not far right, is it? No, and not only that, but it turns out, according to, I've been watching this too,

16:00 He's the first actual libertarian libertarian that's ever been elected to anything at that level. Anything. Libertarians in America. Libertarians usually don't get elected to anything. No, the libertarians in America, which I mean, no offense to them at all, but I was always like, I'm a Republican, but I don't want to say it. So I'm going to call my I have my own family say to me trying to give me an out like because I'm not a member of any party, never have been say you're a you're a libertarian, right? What do you mean? Well, I claimed to be a libertarian for about a year. Yeah, but then I realized that there's nothing, there is no such thing. It's just a bull crap moniker that you can use. Well, I believe in this. I would call it like Republicans who believe in abortion. So the Dutch, someone had actually put my name into the hat somewhere at the Dutch Libertarian Party.

16:58 Not that I would ever consider it, but... And why? I mean, I live in Texas. And the leadership of the party said, oh no, oh no, he's too controversial. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Because they're pussies. And I know I'm going to get a lot of libertarians mad at me. I'm saying it kind of in general. No, no, you know there's no real libertarians, I've come to that conclusion. Well that's not true because... Except for the guy in Argentina. But do we call him a libertarian? A seismic political shift is underway here in Argentina as the far right radical outsider, an unknown political force. Far-right radical outsider! Abiy Mille has become elected president. Now his supporters are flocking to this hotel which has become his base camp for the base camp election. And they're partying, they're chanting his name, chanting liberty. The name of his party is liberty.

17:56 advances. They're convinced that he is the solution to Argentina's chronic problems. The economy is struggling at the moment with inflation running at 140% and it means that 40% of the population is living below the poverty line. He only became a politician two years ago and now as a populist he's promising radical reforms as a result he's being compared to Trump in the US and Bolsonaro in Brazil. He wants to adopt the dollars, the official currency of Argentina. He also wants to close down the central bank and slash public funding as well as relaxing gun laws. Now how much of this he will be able to actually implement remains to be seen. His political party is very new and he only has a fraction of the politicians

18:51 in the lower chamber and also a fraction of the senators in the upper house too. So he's going to have to do a lot of negotiating, but for the moment these people here don't care. They're happy to take a chance on this unknown politician, hoping that he will be able to solve the country's problems. Yeah, I think PBS also had a... do they also have a... Yeah, they had this thing on him here. Argentinian president-elect Javier Mele celebrated his election win amidst a euphoric crowd. Today we turn the page on our history and we return to the path that we should never have lost. Promising a new political era. Stop this impoverishing model of the cast. What is this voiceover? Is PBS out of money? Do they need no donations? This guy's in a tin can.

19:46 That's very odd PBS. Today we embrace the libertarian model. I think he's doing in the toilet. He's in the bathroom somewhere doing this voiceover. I'm not hearing that. You don't hear it? Oh. Turn to being a global power. Supporters filled the streets of Buenos Aires last night, hoping Malay's election means an end to decades of economic crises. I think this time Argentina needs to change and that's why I bet on this new proposal. Well, I'll just skip to the end because it's too long here. I'm bored of it. But this was interesting.

20:23 Millet also opposes abortion rights, wants to end the Ministry of Women, Gender and Diversity, and to loosen gun restrictions. He also famously has four cloned dogs created in a New York lab, whom he thanked when he won the August primary. I want to thank the four-legged children, Murray, Milton, Robert and Lucas. A novice politician who has already grasped one of the profession's oldest rules. If you want a friend in politics, get a dog. Or four. I didn't know they were cloned dogs that he had. That's kind of weird. He had cloned dogs made in a New York lab. Yeah, it's been cloned dogs for a long time. But the thing that I really thought was just interesting was

21:19 that, you know, my daughter and she's now in social services. She works as a... She's a social worker now, believe it or not. And, you know, so she has a lot of lefties around, but not everybody. They're sick of it. They're sick, sick, sick of it. They're sick of the policies. They're sick of everything that's going on. And I need to give him props. Jordan Peterson was on Bill Maher. And for as much crap as we give him about this ARC outfit, He kinda nailed it with this. you know, marriage is a patriarchal institution and business is nothing but oppression and you have to view every single situation that emerged historically as oppressor versus oppressed and then once you get that, which you can get in about two minutes if you sit in the course that teaches that sort of thing, you have a lens to moralize about the whole world through. And then you see the situation is that the leftists have already decided the Palestinians are the victims

22:31 And as you pointed out, if you're a victim, then you're morally righteous. And even more conveniently, if you stand for the victim, then you're morally righteous regardless of what you do with your own life. And that's pretty much what university students are taught from the time they enter the university classroom. And that's how they, you know, orient themselves morally. And that's at the hands of the radical left. two bill and one of the things the Democrats also have to pay the price for I would say is their absolute refusal to draw a line between the moderate Democrats and the extremists. They're completely incapable of doing that. Like I've talked to 40 senators and congressmen in the last five years, I asked them all the same question, including RFK. He wouldn't answer either. When does the left go too far? Well we certainly bloody well saw it the last month, didn't we?

23:18 Because they got the oppressor oppressive narrative a little mucked up we might say and we're gonna their consequences that are gonna unfold pretty brutally over the next few months Yes, the nails next few months, but sure no it's happening now. I think this is happening and the big thing is politically Like now people are, oh my God, I have these really short little clips. Some of these people took their children, I'm talking seven year olds, seemed like there were some five year olds, they took them to Washington DC, stood them outside of the White House, put little kiffiers on them. All these kids are in their Palestinian scarves. And they made them say horrible things.

24:06 Oh no, this is outrageous. So when you say this is not going to unfold in the next couple of months, I don't see it. It's still going in the wrong direction. It's going to be years before this is turned around. Well, and you're just giving me more examples. No, it's an example. No, no I think what we're seeing of the reason why they're going to have to turn the tide particularly on Israel But also Ukraine will get to that is because when you have kids on the news doing this That's just but now listen to this one

24:49 Biden, Biden, what you say? How many kids had you killed too? Biden, Biden, what do you say? How many kids have you killed today? How many kids have you killed? What was the one, hey ho genocide Joe has got to go? There's another one. Oh no, no wait, listen to this one. So that's, you know, that's just kids who don't, just their parents taught them this stuff. But this kid caught outside of the purview of his parents has the quote of the day.

25:26 Don't believe Joe Biden ever. That's your future Democrat voter. It is. Don't believe Joe Biden ever. And then, you know, and Hollywood, Hollywood is messing it up. As if the kid even knows who Joe Biden, really knows who Joe Biden is. Of course not. Of course. You're right. This is child abuse at its worst, the most extreme. Yes, and then you get stuff like this. Academy Award winning actress Susan Sarandon has been dropped from major Hollywood agency UTA following her comments that American Jews are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim.

26:07 comments come at a time America is seeing a rise in anti-semitism. We know Susan Sarandon from the hit movies Thelma and Louise and she won her Oscar for Dead Man Walking but now the internet is flooded with calls for Susan Sarandon to stick to active acting and quit the divisive rhetoric. She made the comments at a pro-Palestinian rally in New York City last Friday. Let's recap what she said. There are a lot of people that are afraid, afraid of being Jewish at this time and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim. She was a top promoter of Biden against Trump so it's falling apart and then... Wait a minute stop there I don't know if you recall this but she actually was originally for Trump. For a half a second. Well until her peer group got on her. Yes and then she put a pussy hat on and was good to go.

27:02 But we've also reached peak incubator. They have nothing left to do. There's no more propaganda once you're here. In each of these incubators, fragile tiny lives. The babies are sick and emaciated, born prematurely and even more vulnerable because during those first crucial weeks, they were surrounded by war. They evacuated first to southern Gaza from the embattled Al-Shifa Hospital in the north On Monday, two were reunited with their mother. Today was the first time I was able to see my daughters 39 days after I gave birth, she says. The feelings of fear and worry in my emotional state was very difficult. The twins were among the 20

27:46 28 babies then evacuated to Egypt. A freelance journalist working for CBC News took this video as they left to receive urgent care. So they had all the babies in the incubator, out of the incubator. Incubator, I mean your peak incubator. So then, alright, the phone call goes out like, bro, BB bro, we gotta do something this you're killing us over here man after a grueling 46 days The Israeli Parliament has voted in favor of a hostage deal with Hamas Qatar's mediation along with Egypt and the US have secured a short but crucial period of respite

28:24 This deal could signal a change in the general atmosphere of this conflict. This will be a break in the wave and will create a new reality that may convince the Israelis that power doesn't always achieve the desired results, and that sitting at a negotiation table is better and can bring more practical results for us and for them, more than what they can gain from the battlefield. The deal promises some relief for both sides. But Netanyahu has made it clear this is only temporary. There is nonsense out there as if after the ceasefire to return the hostages we will stop the war. I'd like to make it clear we are at war and we will continue the war until we achieve all our goals.

29:11 eliminate Hamas, return all the hostages and missing, and guarantee that there will be no threat to Israel in Gaza. So they're there. They're there already. They got it all set. There's nothing left of Gaza. It's rubbilized. They've played the incubator card. It's done. Once you play the incubator card, you're done. That's the end. Especially when you play it. I mean, that's like the aces of incubators. I mean, that's just you're done. You're just, there's no turning back at that point. It's so bad now that our State Department, this guy, this State Department guy, he's no good. Which one? Oh, which one? The one who does the press briefings.

29:55 That's not the Jake Sullivan look-alike. Yeah, yeah, but he's not. He looks like, if you look at him, he looks like a 1920s silent film actor. Well, it would be better if he didn't speak because he flubbed this one up bad. Whatever infrastructure exists at a hospital under a hospital no matter who put it there terrorists should not be using that infrastructure to embed themselves underneath a civilian target underneath a civilian a civilian hospital underneath a Hospital that is supposed to exist for the care of civilians I mean and making that, you know, using that facility as a human shield. So it is a separate issue than who might have built whatever room it is the former prime minister was referring to. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. No, we can't. Bibi, do something. You're killing us. This is no good. Democrats, we don't look good, man. We do not look good. And then meanwhile, Ukraine is really, this is over. This is over. Richard Haass,

30:59 went on Morning Joe, and he wrote this big article about the war, and he's counsel on foreign relations, former... Yeah, big shot. Was he secretary of defense? He was up there. He definitely was... I don't know about that. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. He was... I have him here. I know he's counsel on foreign relations, which you've been looking at. No, he is definitely. President of the Council on Foreign Relations. Yeah, he runs the place. Yeah, or he just stopped, I think. He was advisor policy planning for the Department of State, advisor to Colin Powell when he was... Yeah, he was one of these... he was advisor, like basically what he is still, which is a head of CFR as an advisor. But the only thing he really looks like he did anything for crap was

31:52 He was the special envoy for Northern Ireland. The rest of it is pretty much all cons on foreign relations. So he has said that. Why he won the Presidential Citizens Medal I'd like to know, but okay. So he's written an article that is basically end the war in Ukraine now. You co-wrote a new piece this morning for Foreign Affairs entitled, A New Strategy Must Balance Means and Ends. Explain your concern, especially as the White House is managing wars on two completely different fronts. Well, Mika, the White House is managing two wars, but in both of them I would say we're increasingly at odds with our allies and partners. We just talked in the previous hour about differences with Israel, about how the war is being fought and about what comes after. In Ukraine, I think we've got a real problem where there's simply an enormous gap

32:47 between what the goals are of the policy and what the realities are. The idea that Ukraine is going to militarily liberate all the land that Russia occupies, approximately 20% of their territory, it's laudable, I support it, it's just not going to happen. Well, this is a change, it's just not going to happen. And then he explains why. And what should be done? And of course, it's time to rebuild. We need to get the dollars flowing to rebuild Ukraine. We've got to get this thing going people, there's money. How long do our allies in Europe, who've all done, I think, together, NATO's done an extraordinary job, how much longer do we continue pushing

33:37 I think what many people in the Pentagon would think is the unrealistic goal of Ukraine driving every last Russian out of their country. It's exactly the right question, Joe. And what concerns me is when people get disillusioned and increasingly come to the conclusion, where you and I are, that it's desirable as it is, it's simply not feasible, they're going to increasingly say, and we're hearing it in the House, we're hearing it... I'm sorry? I think Scarborough's in CFR. Yeah, but it puts Scarborough squarely in the Stop the War camp. Increasingly come to the conclusion that this was telling him. Yeah, oh no, this is the message, Joe. This is where we are, right, Joe?

34:19 As desirable as it is, it's simply not feasible. They're going to increasingly say, and we're hearing it in the House, we're hearing it in parts of Europe, why should we keep doing this? We're already stretched, we're trying to support Israel, we're worried about Taiwan. And even if we give everything we need to give or want to give to Ukraine, it still won't lead to success. What I argue, therefore, is the United States needs to have some very direct conversations with Ukraine, with President Zelensky. Talk about reducing their emphasis on liberating land, increasingly put all their emphasis on holding on to what they've got. Be happy with what you got, Zelensky! Just look, you got 80 percent. It's good, it's good. You know, you might have stumbled onto something here. This guy, as the head of CFR,

35:06 Went on the show possibly to turn Joe around boom Specifically, 45 seconds left here. In the long run, diplomatically through sanctions, yes, we can try to see the rest of their territory return. But for right now, let's have 80% of this country safe, 80% of this country rebuilt. I would actually propose to cease fire as an interim arrangement to expose the Russians for what they are so we can rebuild support for Ukraine in this country. But we've had two fighting seasons. The idea that one or two or three more years of this is going to result in success, I simply don't see it. Russia's on a war footing. They have access also to arms from North Korea and Iran. So I just think, you know, any time in foreign policy, any time in life, there's a big gap between what you're trying to do and your ability to do it. You've either got to

35:57 Increase your means or lower your goals. And I think here the only realistic option as a tactical measure is to lower our goals. And right on cue. The G20 brings back Vladimir. It was the first G20 summit Vladimir Putin has joined, albeit remotely, since the 2022 Ukraine conflict. In a virtual meeting with world leaders on Wednesday, the Russian president softened his usual hostile tone, referring to the conflict as a tragedy and even at one point using the word war to describe Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine instead of his preferred term of special military operation. Some colleagues have already said in their speeches that they are shocked by the ongoing aggression of Russia in Ukraine. We must think about how to stop this tragedy. By the way, Russia has never refused peace negotiations with Ukraine. It's not Russia, but Ukraine that has publicly announced that it's withdrawing from the negotiation process. He's signaling, he's like, okay.

36:58 I hear you CFR, we're good. All we ever wanted was that 20%. That's our turf. Crimea you're not getting that back. No, that's for sure. Yeah, so be happy with it. Volodymyr McGregor was on what his normal talk show that he keeps showing up on coughing constantly. I should probably oh, that's not good. Well, he's coffee. Yes, but then he I'm watching him and he's coughing coughing and I any pull I'm this is a I'm I'm gonna throw out a pro tip for all you podcasters and wannabes. Here we go. He picks up a glass of ice water with ice cubes in it and takes a big swig because he's coughing so much. If you have an issue coughing, you want tepid water. Yes, tepid. Ice water makes you cough more.

37:52 Tepid is the word of the day. Can you use tepid in a sentence? You want tepid water. Because if you keep drinking, I mean I drink cold soda on this show and I'll start coughing near the end. Yes. But I know better, I just happen to like it. But when I saw him and he kept picking this glass of ice water up and coughing more and more and it was terrible. But McGregor, McGregor made the conclusion that Our side, the Washington side, it's a very funny clip, our side is so incompetent that we're the ones that are preventing anything from ending in Ukraine because we've got nobody that can even admit they were wrong or can do any negotiating. It's a mess. And so he predicts the worst. He doesn't see it ending like Haas would like to see it because our side has got a bunch of boneheads.

38:43 Well, then, because it's Thanksgiving, all of a sudden the Candanavia shows up with some good news. One of our producers got this one through to me. It looks like the Conservatives in the Canadian Parliament caught a fast one being pulled, which may have been one of the, or it may still be one of the intended uses for Ukraine. Because you know Ukraine is going to be very useful. It's going to be useful for a lot, it's still going to be great for money laundering, it's still going to be great for crime, for cyber crime, it's still going to be fantastic for hookers and drugs. You know now it'll be more controlled, it'll be controlled by whoever ultimately controls Vladimir.

39:28 But a fast one was pulled. Also in Ottawa there was heated debate today in the House of Commons on the updated Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement. The Conservatives voted en masse against the new legislation this week and leader Pierre Polyev said the bill imposes a carbon tax on the people of Ukraine. The pathological obsession these liberals have with carbon taxes has now reached a level where it is sick to impose their destructive carbon tax on the people of Ukraine. To turn down a free trade agreement with a beacon of democracy like Ukraine. What is up with that party? That's what Canadians want to know. And this carbon tax excuse, no one's bothered.

40:11 Help me understand this. Free trade legislation, free trade deals, they're mutually negotiated. But Pierre Polliev is saying that Canada is imposing a carbon tax on Ukraine while they have a knife to their throat. What's the truth of this? Okay, just a note that of course I work with but not for the Ukrainian government. The point here being that is a peculiar and kind of disappointing interpretation. The fact is that yes, this was a mutually negotiated agreement and that it simply says that both sides will consult on and promote the idea of carbon pricing. Which is the most important thing.

40:52 They need to get a price on carbon. They've been trying this for a decade and it sounds like... Nothing longer. Well, that we've really been aware of it. This carbon pricing. Carbon pricing. So good one. Yeah, good one. Try to do some carbon pricing. Get a price on carbon. By the way, just before we slip away from the pressure on Genocide Joe... Well, I think I have a Ukraine clip. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. You got what you're... I banged him like... I just banged him like... It's okay. Let me bang away. Do I have a Ukraine... I don't see a Ukraine clip. No, I'm out of Ukraine clips. I'll have one for Sunday. Well, because you sent me an article, put it in the show notes and I found another one because AIPAC is also leaning heavily on the Democrat Party in America. AIPAC, you mean the Israeli, American Israeli...

41:54 APEC as opposed to APEC, the meetup that you just had in San Francisco? That's APEC. No, this is APEC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Right. So they pretty much got a Republican in Michigan, but kicking the Democrat out. And why? Because the Democrat was like, oh, I like AOC, the squad's cool, they're great. Boom. So the Democrats out, the Republicans in. And now, and this is a, oh, this just came through on Yahoo, this is horrible. AIPAC seeks to unseat congressional black caucus members over Israel.

42:34 They get money. Yes. So and the wherewithal they have people that know how to do marketing. Yeah. Well, that's I mean, it's all these politicians own fault. They're not they don't work for the people. They don't talk to the people. They talk to money. And the parties. Oh, I need a million dollars to be on a committee. It's also corrupt. Yeah, we've we haven't talked about that for years. Well, it's true. No, it is true. You have to pay to be a... if you're the chairman of a major committee, you have to pay your party millions of dollars. So you have to be raising millions of dollars all the time. Otherwise, you have no power, no influence. It's all so cynical.

43:17 So we need one of those melee guys or Geert Wilders. Wait, we have one, Trump. The Dutch Trump. Well, we got the American Trump. Do we have the American Trump? Yeah, well, they are freaked out about the American Trump. And the best Trump hate is coming from MSNBC, without a doubt. It's fantastic. Well, let's just stay with the Jew hate. Jen Psaki trying out a new hairdo which is not working. She's trying to flip, flip, flip up, flip downs like flippy curls. She looks like an idiot. She does look... You're right. You nailed it. And she had on the governor of Illinois whose streets are filled with genocide Joe protesters. Which is great. Pritzker, Jewish himself,

44:12 to come on and talk about because you know Trump is clearly Adolf Hitler we just got to go back to that meme bring it back. The migrant crisis though is front and center for a lot of people in this country on the border but also states like Illinois are you worried that his talk tough approach is going to be appealing to some people in the country? Jen you know I led the building of a Holocaust Museum. He built a Holocaust museum, ladies and gentlemen. Which has nothing to do with Trump. That just shows he's a good Jew. Of a Holocaust museum. The rhetoric that's being used by Donald Trump. The rhetoric that's being used by some of the MAGA extremists.

44:52 rhetoric that was used in the 1930s. When you call people from a political party extremists, is that not by itself rhetoric that has been used throughout dictatorial... From the 30s, from Hitler. This guy's more like Hitler than Trump. Some of the MAGA extremists. Is rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in Germany. I am very concerned about the direction of the country if we see policies like what Donald Trump is espousing come to light for our country. I think you're referencing, in part, he used the word vermin. Ooh, vermin! He used the word vermin. And by the way, Trump does this purposefully.

45:39 And as we call, yum yum yum yum, there's Saki taking the bait. Just recently to describe who he was targeting as one of the leading Jewish governors in the country. I mean, what did you think when you heard that? Wait, did she say one of the douche governors? Yes. She said one of the yes, she said one of the leading douche governors of the country. Well, it's just one in a long series of remarks, words that Donald Trump has used that are unfortunately reminiscent of, you know, the past. Yes. Let me just be clear. Very, very reminiscent of the past. In Germany in the 1930s, people that they didn't want to have power, people that they wanted to

46:27 separate and segregate they began calling them immigrants even people who were has been injured they began calling them immigrants what yeah but is he read is he redesigning the whole World War two scenario here yes with the immigrants bullcrap this is not true well remember He led the building of the Holocaust Museum, so... Well then he must be right. Yes. They began calling them immigrants. Even people who were, had been in Germany for generations. Jews who were doctors, lawyers in government at the time became known as immigrants.

47:05 even though they were German. And this is a way to begin to segregate people and then eventually, at least what happened in Germany, is that they turned it into a way to almost dehumanize. Almost. And then they did in fact dehumanize. By calling them vermin? And kill people. I don't know where it's going with Donald Trump. What I can tell you is the things that he talks about are frightening to those of us who know the history of Europe in the 1930s and 40s. And now could this be anything like calling people calling for people to die if they want to go to the hospital, they have a heart attack because they're unvaccinated. People who don't wear masks telling them to just die. Is that kind of is that similar to what he's saying here? Just other people in that way? Because I think he pretty much did that. Yeah, he did. Yeah. He basically said if you don't get vaccinated, you can die. Yes. This guy, by the way, this Pritzker guy is really the scum of the earth.

48:07 Oh, this whole family is horrible and you said scum of the earth. It's a horrible family. You know what you just said is reminiscent of the 1930s. You called them scum of the earth. I think it's reminiscent of an old novel I read. And his brother, his brother, I'm sorry, now sister, is at the base of this whole trans Maoist movement. Because they're the people that are funding much of it. Yes, yes. His that's anti-semitic by the way you just called a Jew someone who's funding something bad John bad bad bad predilection for revenge and what that will mean for you know groups of predilection for revenge this is the problem that didn't support him that sounds like a 24 election if in fact he gets elected. What is going on here and here's the next clip from Morning Joe again

48:59 the established states, let's just call it the state, and it will, it's not necessarily Democrats. It's people in agencies, the people who have corrupted this country, our country, have corrupted it. They are afraid because they know now there's too much is out there. We've seen the Twitter files, we understand fake news, no agenda, everyone listens to no agenda and say, wow, boy, that's all crap. You know, we're kind of part of the problem. But now they're all worried that Donald Trump will come in and is going to hang them! If you want to be fair, then you will frame this.

49:39 As Joe Biden being the candidate that supports American democracy and Donald Trump a candidate who supports a new form of government here, that's authoritarian. It's a new form of government. A new form of government? It's called authoritarian. It's a new form. It's never been done before. How does he manage to do that with the powers, the way that things are, the balance of powers that we have set up in this country with the justice and the legislator and the executive branches, the three branches. How does that work? How can that even be done? We saw him do it. I mean, I don't understand this. All I see, you go on the counter-Mastodon, I mean, not our Mastodon, but if you listen to the other guys, the other side, all the lefties who have quit Twitter in a huff, and all they do is say the same thing that it's the end of democracy, it's the end of this, it's the end of that if Trump gets in. But

50:31 But the system won't allow Trump to do much as you saw the last time he was in. Exactly! How did that work when he had four years in the White House? How did it change? No, the only thing he did was defend himself against Russian allegations most of the time. He wasn't able to do much. Well, I guess that was good work everybody. Form of government here, this authoritarian. It's really that simple and by the way, it's really that simple. It's that simple. simple. Oh, you can't compare him to past Nazi leaders. Wow, listen to Mika. She's like doing callbacks on the side. You know, she's like, like she's calling response. Call and response. Yes. Black church. Yes. It's really that simple. And by the way, Reverend Alwin, people go, oh, you can't compare him to past Nazi leaders. It's like diamond and silk. Can't compare him to this past Nazi leader or that past fascist leader because he hasn't done that. Well,

51:25 What hasn't he done? He hasn't done the things that the American judicial system did not allow him to do last time, but may very well allow him to do this time. Or... What? So it didn't happen last time, but it's gonna happen this time. a judicial system that will be ignored by Donald Trump. Oh. And ran over by Donald Trump. You mean like all the executive orders Joe Biden did the minute he came into office? Like that? To create the greatest constitutional crisis of our lifetimes. Just because he hasn't done it yet doesn't mean he won't do it when he gets a chance to do it. I love that logic.

52:10 it gets better. idiots because he will do, he will get away with, he will imprison, he will execute whoever he's allowed. He's going to execute people, he's going to kill, they're going to hang them. To imprison. Guillotines. Execute, drive from the country. Just look at his past.

52:51 Yeah, where he executed everybody. He had a gun, pulled it out and shot him in the Oval Office. He didn't even lock up Hillary Clinton. Come on. He didn't even write. He let Hillary go without any issue at all. But then, then come this is my final Trump hate clip. But then comes now this is kind of dangerous when you start doing saying this stuff. I mean, just imagine if a MAGA Republican had said this. This is Representative Daniel Goldman, who I believe is from California. Is Goldman from California? I don't know. We have hundreds. All right. So there's been so much speculation, contemplation, discussion of what Trump wanted to do. Discussion, contemplation. What he knew or didn't know. I mean, do you think as a prosecutor, this is something that could be useful in the case against Trump? How will it be used?

53:40 Yeah, well, I mean look, he says I would be well received because he knows that the people who were there are his supporters who he riled up and incited to invade and riot at the Capitol and try to disrupt the proper counting of the Electoral College votes. So every time he talks, he's putting himself into a bigger criminal hole. But the but that's not his objective. His objective is purely political at this point. Politics don't work in a courtroom as I think he's finding out in the New York Attorney General's case, in New York a civil case, and that's going to continue in his criminal trials. But his rhetoric

54:17 is really getting dangerous more and more dangerous. We saw what happened on January 6th when he uses inflammatory rhetoric. When he told everybody to stop it, when he said peaceful don't don't do anything crazy. That rhetoric is when we saw what happened when he was said please please don't do it. Happened on January 6th when he uses inflammatory rhetoric now and his recent true social post is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. What's he laughing for? Because, I don't know, because it's not really scary. He's lying. He's lying. Because he's projecting is really what's going on. Incredibly scary for anyone that

55:01 might be trying to op work in government. That's interesting. Trying to, he was going to say operate, but then he said work in government. I don't know. Maybe the laughs was weird. You're right. Is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to op work in government. And it is just unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public office again. He is not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy and he has to be eliminated. Eliminated! Eliminated! I think that's a threat that the Secret Service should look into. It's Trump! You can say whatever you want! Do you see my bit on Psaki? I said Trump should be eliminated. Touch me.

56:00 So, uh, I only have two Trump clips which are base clips about the, everyone freaking out over his numbers going up. Oh no! Oh no, his numbers are going up, this NTD. Yeah. Yet another win for former President Trump in a major poll. Trump's presidential campaign has been a success so far. Congress, meanwhile, is a bit less successful. Dozens of lawmakers are resigning, some out of frustration. NTD's Ariane Pazdar brings you an election update. Former President Trump is widening his lead over President Biden in a hypothetical 2024 matchup.

56:39 That's according to the prominent Emerson College poll. In November last year, the poll found that Biden was leading over Trump with 45 to 41 percent. A month ago, Trump was leading with 47 to 45 percent. Now Trump's lead increased by two points to 47 to 43 percent. Biden took a big hit in support among minorities, losing a total of 26 percentage points over the last year. Meanwhile at Congress, California Representative Anna Eshoo this week announced that she's stepping down after three decades. So far over 30 lawmakers this year announced that they're not seeking re-election. This comes after two exhausting House speaker races, two near government shutdowns and multiple attempts to impeach, censor or expel officials. And all that while Congress is still in its first session.

57:28 Various lawmakers are disappointed with the way things are going on the Hill. Representative Earl Blumenauer, who has been in Congress for over 25 years, told Punchbowl News, It's insane and it adds no value to my life. The things I care about, I can do better not here. NTD, are the Chinese just making the AI people now? This guy, very robotic read. You see these guys and they don't look like they sound. That's what's weird about it. Well, it's definitely. I mean, it's like this is diversity in action. This is true diversity. It's kind of off putting. Why should everyone sound like the same guy? OK, but it sounds like a robot. There's a part two to this. Now over to local elections.

58:14 In South Carolina, the city of Charleston voted for a Republican mayor for the first time since 1877. That's almost 150 years. Former South Carolina GOP representative William Coxwell won the race on Tuesday. And in New York, former governor Andrew Cuomo is reportedly considering running for mayor of New York City. That's according to Politico, which says that Cuomo might run if current mayor Eric Adams resigns or decides not to run for re-election. There was the R word in there. And there goes our guy. No, we can't have that. No, we need that, guys. Now, that's interesting because, you know, they have they first of all, I think Eric Adams got kicked out of the club because he said, hey, this is not working. New York City. But, you know, this is going to cost us too much money. Cardi B, how he hates him now. Cardi B, you got Cardi B hating you, then that's pretty bad.

59:08 In fact, there's a clip we played but it's so profane. It's all F-words. Forget it. And he was like, well, you know, this is no good. These migrants. And they kicked him out of the club. They sent him on a re-education tour. And now they're investigating his largest fundraiser. This guy's going to get knocked out. And he's going to get thrown into one of those hokal prison camps. Yeah. I mean, New York, get out of New York. Did you see some good clips floating around about New York and the prison camps? Now, back to the election and Trump and versus Biden. I do have a couple of clips from the birthday. Biden just had a birthday. Is it 81? He's now 92. Come on now, let's not be ageist. 81, 81. So he was on and Fox and Friends, actually not Fox, it's Fox Weekend.

1:00:06 They just botched everything. I mean, I have to say, and I'm listening to Fox more than you are. They are just making mistakes left and right. And I want you to, I'm going to play these clips and I'm going to be very critical here of Fox for people who think that we like Fox. I don't think we've ever liked Fox. No, and you in particular. Yeah, because run by Democrats. We all know it. Yeah, it's run by Democrats. So I want to play this as the Biden beat ARAP gaffe and I want you to you should be able to spot the gaffes. By the way, can I just say, when I say I have no hate against Democrats, I really don't. But the Democrat system, just like the Republican system, the jackoffs, all of them. OK, back to you, Bob.

1:00:53 So let's go with Biden birthday gift. What are you apologizing for? I just want people to understand that I love all people. That you don't hate Democrats? No, I don't hate people who vote Democrat at all. You don't hate people. Okay, you're a lover, not a hater. Hey, too many eggs dot com. Too many eggs. Too many eggs dot com. Christmas gifts, come on. That's my out. Biden, Biden birthday right now. I think the gaps right away and then we can see you'll spot it, but you might not. President Biden landed on the South Lawn here at the White House just a short time ago. And it's safe to say there's going to be no surprise 81st birthday party for him tonight here at the White House. And when the clock strikes 12 and probably not tomorrow either with all expected to be a low key affair with all focus on the turkey part, maybe a shot of wild turkey for the staff

1:01:44 But here is what David Axelrod told the New York Times about President Biden, quote, I think he has a 50-50 shot here, but no better than that, maybe a little worse. He thinks he can cheat nature here and it's really risky. They've got a real problem if they're counting on Trump to win it for them. I remember Hillary doing that, too. Now on Fox News Sunday, Senator Chris Coons responded to Axelrod. That's an interesting point from David. In 2007, a year out from the 2008 election, I'll remind you that poll after poll was showing that Barack Obama was going to lose to Rudy Giuliani and in 2011 that Barack Obama was going to lose to Mitt Romney. Head-to-head polls a year out frankly don't say much at all.

1:02:29 Now, a recent article in Politico by Jonathan Martin titled, Here's How Biden Can Turn It Around. Top Democrats agree that the president needs more aggressiveness, more help from his friends, and a few more friends. Liz Cheney, Rahm Emanuel, and Mitt Romney can help. Says the president's had issues with Axelrod in the past. The piece warns, quote, Calling David Axelrod, a P word that I'm told I'm not supposed to say on news here, it rhymes with stick Lisa, as a person who has heard Biden use the word, says he does in private, is not a strategy to win 270 electoral votes. Now there's a new NBC poll out today shows that at 80 years old, soon to be 81 by the way tonight at the stroke of midnight, Biden not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term,

1:03:14 59% say that's a major concern. Well, first of all, did Biden run against Giuliani? No, of course not. He ran against McCain. I was going to say, that was the gaffe, right? Yeah. And the gaffe was, here's the thing about the gaffe. It was, Giuliani was never really in the picture that year. No. So you can't say, well, you know, Ron Paul, Ron Paul was in the picture more than Giuliani. Here's the thing about the gaffe Chris Coombs is Biden's campaign manager. I Didn't know that he so that's one aspect of this The second thing is you've got four people on this show sitting at the dais

1:03:59 None of them caught that and then you have another five people minimum. Maybe more away in the control room With people in their ears none of them caught it. There's a floor manager. He didn't catch it What is wrong with this place? Oh? Well wait you're telling me that cable news is full of crap Imagine here we go imagine second gaff coming up. Oh that is just right part of this first gaffe and it's just like and every blows by everybody here we go at part two. 15% say it's a moderate concern whatever that means 12% minor concern and 14% say it's no real concern and by the way that poll also showed Biden with the lowest approval rating of his presidency guys.

1:04:42 Well, you know they've had 80 years to prepare for it. I hope it's a great party tonight, tomorrow. Thank you, Lucas. 81? 81? Yeah. But he just starts his 81st year, so they've had only 80 years to prepare for it. I mean, I didn't know what that was about. It was idiotic. He's on his 82nd year. He says they've had 80 years to prepare for it and the girl says no 81 because he's 81 so he's had 81 years and he's been in business for 81 years. It's like when you're a one-year-old you're not starting your first birthday you're already one you're going to two. You know what's happening is you're watching these shows and you're getting riled up just like they are you're like it's like you're like listening to Twitter. But it's the idiocy of this. Yes! The fact that he calls her out and says no no he's gonna be

1:05:36 He says no, he's working on his 81st year, he says to her and she, I don't want to say it, but as a submissive woman apparently, she backs off to the male's intent, who's full of shit by the way, this guy, and she doesn't say anything and the other female that's on the panel doesn't say anything and the other male, who I think might even be gut-filled, no it's not, it's somebody else. No, no, no, that's he then. No, gut-filled's only on the five. And so it but it's somebody else and nobody calls the guy in this bullshit. In fact, I have to follow up what happens right afterwards, which is just wanders off. Have you can say this is stunning to me that this is so stupid on Fox. You can't watch this. It's not healthy for you.

1:06:21 You play this third part. Only 80 years to prepare for it. Dr. Sapphire, explain this to us. I mean, at this kind of age, he's going to be 86 if he were to win another term and finish it. What are the problems? I mean, what could go wrong here? Anything can go wrong with any single person any day of the week. Hey, he's handing you the alley-oop, lady. What you're supposed to say is, he could die. That's... wasn't that the alley-oop right there? What could go wrong? I think so, yeah. What could possibly... He's 81, what could possibly... By the way, that's also ageist. I don't like any of it. That's not nice. That's his fox. Fox is really deteriorated. Yes. Ever since Tucker left. Ever since Meg and Kelly left.

1:07:14 Actually, I think you could probably trace it back to Megyn Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. All right. She left. It was her fault for the whole thing because she was all in on the on the Me Too thing that was going on at the station to get rid of the guy who started the whole thing. Let's talk about something we know about. We know about this. We know about it. Well, first I need to congratulate and commend you for being right for four days. Yeah, I was right for four whole days. You called it. You called it. You called it. Everybody was like, wow. And usually they attribute that to me, but they got it right. Like John really called it. Sam Altman going to Microsoft. I mean, you nailed it. The clip was very clear.

1:07:59 Like you said, oh yeah, Microsoft sucks these guys right up. And I was like, wow, there you go. That's perfect. And then things started to change. And this is, I have a lot of thoughts on this, as you can imagine, because we've uncovered so much about what was really going on at OpenAI. And I think we are in fact at peak AI hype. And I have a feeling all of this is about to fall apart quicker than we expected. But first, Let us listen to the experts of finance over at CNBC led by Andrew Ross Sorkin, who of course is one of the co-creators of the hit show Billions on Showtime, explain what's going on. Let's talk about the big news that broke overnight because a lot of folks... By the way, this is big news. You know, the world stopped. Kara Swisher, your protege, was running around on Twitter going, I called it! I called it!

1:08:50 I called it! I'm great! I'm the best reporter ever! Look at my reporting! I'm so proud of my reporting!" She's really inconscionable. Very hard. She's constantly spiking the ball. What happened? Into a mosh pit. Do you think that as a child no one ever told her she was worthy or something? Because you're right, all she's doing is spiking the ball and then He's going to Microsoft. I call that he's not going to Microsoft. This is my great reporting. I've got such an Adele on now. I have an exclusive interview. Such an Adele is on every single channel doing interviews. Anyway, back to the the boy genius. You know, I think you and she should get a room.

1:09:35 I would give her a piece of my mind, that's for sure. Let's talk about the big news that broke overnight because a lot of folks focused on it already this morning. OpenAI posting on X that Sam Altman will now officially return as CEO. Former Salesforce CEO Brett Taylor and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers will join AI's Open's board. Taylor was named board chair and then Quora's CEO Adam D'Angelo will remain on the board. Allman posted on X, I love open AI and everything I've done over the past few days has been in service of keeping this team and its mission together. When I decided to join Microsoft on Sunday evening, it was clear that was the best path for me and the team.

1:10:18 With the new board and with such a support I'm looking forward to returning to OpenAI and building on our strong partnership with Microsoft. Now in response, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella posting in part quote, we encouraged by the changes to the OpenAI board. We believe this is a first essential step on a path to a more stable, well-informed and effective governance. and ousted chairman Greg Brockman posting, returning to open AI and getting back to coding tonight. So he hit the keyboard. All right, so oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you hit the keyboard. So the couple of things happening here one No one is talking about the board that just got wiped off the face of the map including Helen Toner all of these effective altruism all members possibly members of the crazy sex cults in San Francisco With the polycules who knows what's going on there that board just got wiped out except for the Adam D'Angelo I think

1:11:16 who is, I think he's pretty, he's friends with Satya Nadella. That may be his guy for now. So now they have a three person board. Mole. I'm sorry? Yeah, mole. He's the mole. Then you have Larry Summers. I mean, so what is... Yeah, what the hell is that guy doing in there? I mean, he got a big check to be a part of this. I checked everybody. I mean, Larry Summers is the only Council on Foreign Relations guy in there. So he might be just a guy who's like a spook. Well, so now... Keeping an eye on things. Well, yes. And I think what I'm starting to feel here is that open AI and Sam Altman is just marketing.

1:11:59 The marketing was, let's get everybody all crazy about AI, throw out your chat GPT-3, which really is not impressive. Yes, it can It can answer you like you're human, but it's unusable for reliability in all aspects. Don't worry, chat GPT-4 will be better. Don't worry, we've got generative AI. Oh, we've got sentient AI. It's all coming. And he's like the Elizabeth Holmes of this stuff. And he just has that complicated talk, you know, like, Well, you know, I think that AI will, if not, if we don't do it right, right, right. It will, it could, you know, could be dangerous to the world, which is why we at OpenAI are working, right, to do this kind of thing. But I see the, I'm just, he's not a coder. He's just a talker. He's like Elon Musk.

1:13:01 Like you know like one of the main coders is this Ilya guy who is the one who was responsible for getting him ousted if you look into it Yes, and I think he's gone and he's like the Russian kid. Yes, who's also got a very weird background He's been all over the place and he's he seems more like the guy who actually knows what the how this thing works but it's but besides the copyright violations of written word and images It's just not impressive. You know, you've got a You've got competitors to chat GPT also using already opening up app stores so you can load all it's like okay so we could load all the no agenda information in there and we could go in and we could say what did Adam and John say about this? And it would pop something out it may be right you know we have been wrong it being at dot IO it does kind of the same thing already you can decide for yourself but then

1:13:55 As I'm listening to the brilliant journalist, always spot on, who does journalism, Kara Swisher, with her great guest, Satya Nadella, two days after he's been on every, he's been on Bloomberg, he's been on CNBC, and she's trying to goad him in. And this Satya Nadella, what a character this guy is. Yay! Everything's great! Yay! Everything's fine! There's nothing wrong! Microsoft, this is how he talks. Yeah, and he's got the stock jacked up. Yes. And I understand. And I understand why, because what is the big

1:14:35 story of AI. It's not AI. It's that companies like Microsoft can sucker people into compute resources using their Azure cloud. That's what this is about. It's not about AI. It's about selling cloud cycles and services and The whole OpenAI valuation is some hyped up bull crap. And our partners and customers, whether they're using OpenAI or Microsoft, but the point is we were very confident in our own ability. We have all the IP rights and all the capability. I mean, look, if tomorrow if OpenAI disappeared, I don't want any customer of ours to be worried about it, quite honestly. Wait a minute. So if OpenAI disappears tomorrow, it's no problem. We got all the IP.

1:15:22 We got all the people, we've got all the compute cycles, we don't need them except to act as a buffer in case there's a lawsuit or to blame something on. I don't want any customer of ours to be worried about it, quite honestly, because we have all of the rights to continue the innovation, not just to serve the products. But we can, you know, go and just do what we were doing in partnership ourselves. And so we have- We don't need those guys. The people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything. We got everything. We don't need those guys. In fact, Sam Altman, go back to home base. And so, but at the same time, I'm committed to OpenAI partnership and that's kind of what I expressed to them. And where does that stand? Because you have invested, is it,

1:16:05 13 billion or 12 billion in the company? Very interesting question. Did they really invest 12 billion dollars? Well, no. It's a complicated thing. We have a significant investment. It sort of comes in the form of not just dollars, but it comes in the form of compute and what have you. And that gives us significant rights. They gave them $10 billion worth of compute, which is what? Is that the retail price? Is that the whole? No, that's probably retail times 10. It could be. You know, here's the thing you kind of stumbled on. I want to mention before you finish this clip.

1:16:47 He had Altman over there, and then he had to analyze, or the company itself, or his lawyers had to say, look, and I don't know if anyone's familiar with something called a shim. A shim is software code to keep you, for example, if you're using one of these GNU, Linux, or something like that, and any kind of one of these GNU products, if you use it, you have to give up your rights to it, and you have to give all these rights up so that people design software code that's called a shim, which is something to place you between liability, having to be liable and the company, the GNU guys. So this is kind of what he must have been thinking when he said, yeah, when he hired Altman over and he said, no, you go back and do it over there because

1:17:39 That prevents us if there's some made we're the deep pockets here Yes, if there's some major lawsuit you guys, you know for you copyright violation, whatever eat it You guys can eat it and just go out of business. We'll hire you that back then Yeah, do some little thing on the side here, but we can't be even close to this kind of liability So they create a shim something to buffer them from the what's bound to happen which is a you always complain about this and It's bound to happen, a big giant lawsuit that can take him out. Well, just announced yesterday non-fiction authors who open AI for copyright infringement. That's just the beginning. That's just the beginning. Because they've all said, no, we've sucked in all of your information, but that's fair use, you see.

1:18:31 It's fair use, it cracks me up. It's interesting, this was actually going to happen in...this is going to be a Supreme Court case eventually because the fair use law which we use, we have these clips, these are all fair use, these are very small snippets of what goes on for an hour. That's not what determines fair use. Fair use is if it's an educational setting, if you are using... It's also a different use. Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a fair use if we play a clip being an ed which is we are in an educational news gathering setting doesn't even have to be that yes, there's a lot of there's a deep Definition. Yes, but sucking everything up and then regurgitating it in a mix. It's not very use It's not fair use I can see where you'd think it was because look I asked okay, let's let me I'll make the argument I

1:19:26 So I'm the AI, and so I've sucked up every novel by Ernest Hemingway, and I've decided to write an essay that in the style of Ernest Hemingway. And so the AI, as AI, I crank out like a, I don't know, let's say 2,500 word piece. But I have sucked up I don't know, five million words. So I'm only taking 2,500 words out of five million and it's, and let's say the piece is educational or it's different enough or it's humorous because not a fair use. Parody is allowed. Parodies are all free game. So what did I do wrong? Well, I would say go talk to Vanilla Ice. Go talk to, what's the guy who did,

1:20:18 Robin Thicke. I mean, in music, this is well established. You use one little sample, one little lick, one little riff, and you got a lawsuit on your hands. Now, The thing is OpenAI, it's questionable whether they have any actual revenue. They say we got a hundred million people paying us $20 a month, questionable. We don't really know that. But even that is chump change to Satya Nadella. What he wants, and I know because my buddy Vic He has an integration company. He sells this stuff, Microsoft, mainly to call centers. But the AI that is going to come with Microsoft will be transcripts of meetings, especially your Microsoft team meetings. You get a transcript. It'll have action items and then the action items will automatically be put on your calendar.

1:21:09 That's the kind of stuff we're talking about. Oh, I see your truck is clippy on steroids. I see it's clippy. That's exactly right. Yeah, you're just clippy on steroids. You're trying to see a beefed up clippy someone wants to do some art for that. So but today's art has to be Thanksgiving art. So yeah. So someone, you know, it'll be like, oh I see you're trying to write a letter scolding your underling here in the organization. Let me help you write that. Yeah, it'll be fine. And what they're selling, what Microsoft will be selling, and I know this firsthand, is compute cycles to suck in all of your company's data. So let's say you have, it could be a law office, but it could be any, it could just be you sell fireworks for a living, doesn't matter. It'll, you know, suck up all that data. What is the most resource intensive is creating the large language model, the LLM. So you create your own LLM,

1:22:04 which has to be fine-tuned, and you get all kinds of expensive guys like Comicstripblogger to do it, because that's what he does, to fine-tune it all. That costs millions of dollars, particularly in very expensive computes resources, which is all Azure Cloud. And then you can probably retrieve some pretty reliable information about your organization. You could also just hire a couple people who know what the heck they're doing. So this is all some kind of pipe dream, but Microsoft, you know, it's, well, our customers, their customers aren't waiting for some robot to come in and do their business. No, their customers are wanting a better script for the call center. This is not impressive.

1:22:45 This is not what people think it is. And I think we are at peak AI. Let's continue. It's a complicated thing. Yeah, I get it. We have a significant investment. It sort of comes in the form of not just dollars, but it comes in the form of compute and what have you. And that gives us significant rights, as I said. And also this thing, it's not a hands off, right? We are in there. We are below them, above them, around them. We do the kernel optimizations. We build tools. We build the infrastructure. So that's why I think a lot of some of the industry analysts are saying, oh wow, there is this, it's really a joint project between Microsoft and OpenAI. And the reality is we are, as I said, very self-sufficient in all of this. So this is completely the new blockchain. This is Satya Nadella telling us, look, we own those guys lock, stock and barrel, but they're, you're right, our shim,

1:23:41 So in case anything comes along that we don't like, Altman already did his work. His work was to get protections for the largest companies with the largest compute cycles, i.e. Amazon's AWS, Microsoft Azure and Google, because anything that's created has to be done by those guys to make sure that your AI for your fireworks company doesn't eat the world because, oh, it's a robot, it's so smart. Bull crap. And to accentuate this, for 14 hours they had an interim CEO, Emmet Scheer. Emmet Scheer is, he was the CEO of Twitch. And so this gives you an idea of the insanity

1:24:31 of these spun up just crazy people inside the not just open AI but the entire AI universe how nuts they are he's sitting down for a podcast with RedPoint. This is a new thing now. You and I know a bit about venture capital guys. We've been around, we've raised money. So now all the venture capital guys, they'll have a junior partner and the junior partner does the podcast. He does the podcast for the VC. So this is some minor limited partner douche who's interviewing Emmett Shear

1:25:08 about AI and he's always agreeing with everything, of course, because you know, they put money, they got money into AI. Oh, yes, please give us money. We'll invest it for you in AI projects. This thing is coming apart at the seams. Listen to this. This is probably my favorite techno douche of all time. Emmett Shear. Generally, I'm very pro technology and I really believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides. Everything technology can be misused. Regulating early is usually a mistake. I have a very specific concern about AI. We've built an intelligence. It's kind of amazing, actually. It may not be the smartest intelligence, but it is an intelligence. It can solve problems and make arbitrary plans. At some point, as it gets better, the kinds of problems that we'll be able to solve will include programming, chip design, material science, power production, all of the things you would need to design an artificial intelligence.

1:26:02 At that point, you will be able to point the thing we've built back at itself. And this will happen before you get to that point with humans in the loop. It already is happening with humans in the loop. But that loop will get tighter and tighter and tighter and faster and faster and faster until it can fully self-improve itself, at which point It will get very fast, very quickly. Now just so we understand what he's saying, he's saying we're going to build something that has some intelligence, it solves problems, we're going to point it at itself and then it will start developing itself into sentient being. And that kind of intelligence is just an intrinsically very dangerous thing. Dangerous? Because intelligence is power. Power! Human beings are the dominant form of life on this planet pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures.

1:26:48 I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of if this, then this, if this, then this, if this, then this. John, could you lay out a chain of argument with a lot of if this, then this, then this, if this, then this, please? Human beings are the dominant form of life on this planet pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures. Now, I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of if this, then this, if this, then this, if this, then this. I know Eliza thinks that we're all doomed for sure, I buy his doom argument, I buy the chain and the logic, like my P-Doom, my probability of doom... Okay. I buy the... P-Doom. I love P-Doom. I love the chain of logic and the P-Doom. He is, okay, so that chain of logic, and my P-Doom is a little different than his P-Doom. Sure. I buy his doom argument, I buy the chain and the logic, like my P-Doom, my probability of doom, is like

1:27:47 My bid-ask spread on that's pretty high because I have a lot of uncertainty, but I- Oh, John, what's your bid-ask spread? What's your bid-ask spread? Oh my God, is this guy just nothing but cliches? I've never even heard this one. So he's- Well, bid-ask, I've never heard it used. I know what a bid-ask- It's a stock market. Yes, but he has a bid-ask spread of probability of doom, his P-doom. I buy his doom argument. I buy the chain and the logic. Like my P-doom, my probability of doom is like, My bid-ask spread on that's pretty high because I have a lot of uncertainty, but I would say it's like between like 5 and 50. 5 and 50? That's quite the spread, young man! This is a wide spread. Which I think Paul Cristiano... Oh, here's the VC douche piping in. 5 and 50. So there's a wide spread. Which I think Paul Cristiano... Maybe 2 and 50. Paul Cristiano who handled... Hold on a second. You back it up. But why...

1:28:45 He says it's a large spread, but what does the 5 represent and what does the 50 represent? It's these guys that just talking out of their butthole. It's unbelievable. So his bid ask, so this 5% that I don't know. I really don't know. And then this other guy says, well, you know, that guy, his bid ask spread is different. No wonder. These VCs lost their ass on FTX with Sam Bankman-Fried. They let these people come in who either talk like this guy or talk like Altman. I'm a complicated talker because I'm a deep, deep thinker. Or like Elon Musk. Well, you know, AI could eat the world, right? If we don't have

1:29:33 Card rails is very important to do that. These people are full of crap! Five and fifty. So there's a wide spread which I think Paul Christiano 50, you know Christiano who handled You know a lot of the stuff within open AI I think said 25 to 50. It seems like if you if you talk to most AI Researchers, there's some preponderance of people that's good. That should cause you to shit your pants, but it's human level extinction Human level extinction. It's such extincting humans is bad enough. It's like potential destruction of all value in the light code. I

1:30:09 Like, like, not just for us, but for any species caught in the wake of the explosion. It's like a universe-destroying bomb. This is not a figure-it-out-later thing. This is like a big fucking problem. It's like someone invented a way to make, like, 10x more powerful fusion bombs out of, like, sand and bleach that, like, anyone could do at home. Yeah. Um, it's terrifying, and I've had enough time with it now that I can laugh about it. When I first realized, it was fucking heart-stopping. Heart-stopping technology. It's not just it used to be disruptive now It's heart-stopping because the P Doom bit and ass spread is out of control. Oh, that's right. That's right How much do we invest in you? It's so bad that Bobby the op RFK jr. Is all in on this stuff, too Look, I know you this is his own campaign video that he put on X look I know you know a lot about AI right and you know how dangerous and he's talking to Lex Friedman

1:31:07 You know, another one of these guys, complicated talkers. I'm from MIT and I wear a black suit with a black tie for all my interviews. Now, you know, I'm from Russia, right? So, AI, we have to have guardrails. And actually, you know, if it follows the laws of biological evolution, which are just the laws of mathematics, that's probably a potential end point. But we need to make sure it's regulated and it's regulated properly for safety in every country. And that includes Russia and China. We should be putting

1:31:57 all the weapons for a side and sitting down with those guys and say, how are we going to do this? There's much more important things to do. This stuff is going to kill us if we don't figure out how to regulate it. And leadership needs to look down the road at what is the real risk here. And the real risk is that AI will enslave us. Yeah, you lost my vote, Bobby the Op. Boy, I'll say. If AI will enslave us. And I think, and I'm obviously not a programmer, I barely hacked together the first podcast script. I think programmers always talk about recursion, and that is what Emmett Shear was basically saying. It's like we turn to AI, but it's always degenerative.

1:32:42 It's like when you hold a mirror up against the mirror at a certain point. It's just no good. It's infinity You don't yes exactly it goes away I think the back and back you put the two mirrors up and you see way in the back you can see it's barely it's a mess Rick. Yeah, it grows hairs Rick recursion freezes the system It never, it never, in fact... It doesn't get better. No, it always gets worse and he's saying, you know, his bid-ass spread, his P-Doom factor is based upon, I think, this mathematical fallacy that, oh, will turn it on itself. No, I just don't think so. Anyway.

1:33:20 Now, the only people who are talking about what was really going on in this open AI company, and I'm thinking Satya Nadella, who is very, he turned Microsoft around, he took it from Balmer's mess. and turn it around into a powerhouse. Actually, Ballmer's mess wasn't really much of a mess. It was a stable operation that had no pizzazz. I apologize. The stock price was stagnant. Yeah, it was stagnant. It was like a 60. You know, ever since he left his marketing, marketing, programmers, programmers, or whatever it was, jumping up and down days, ever since those days left the company, the excitability was, he was...

1:34:08 basically just too calm. And that's saying a lot about Balmer. So Satya Nadella, who has been at Microsoft for a quarter of a century probably, he, you know, he did, I mean, you could see it coming. He made Microsoft exciting. It's also, I mean, in my opinion, Windows is horrible. It's never been as bad as it is now. Windows has become an app and it's talking to Microsoft all the, I just hate it. Too much, too much, yeah. But the excitement is there and then Azure, when cloud became a thing, he saw that and he needed something to ignite the cloud service. And this is his

1:34:52 his fuel that he throws on the fire. Yes, because he's telling all his customers you better get in on this AI stuff now because... It chews up a lot of cycles. Yes, because it chews up cycles and we need you to pay for that. If you've ever rented a server from Amazon Web Services, you know how expensive it can get very, very quickly unless you really know what you're doing. And I think he saw this Altman character and went, I should have clipped it, but Kara Swisher was even asking the debt. Well, isn't Altman the kind of guy who could become the CEO of Microsoft?

1:35:28 Nadella's looking at this like, are you insane woman? Altman is a weirdo. He's a marketing guy just like Elon Musk. I've always said Elon Musk hasn't invented anything new. He has that complicated Elizabeth Holmes talk, except Elizabeth Holmes really didn't have anyone to execute. Elon's got people who execute all over the place. And Altman, it's clear now to me, he wanted to move ahead. He said, we're going to do the app store because there's no other sex that's left. There's no sexiness left in open AI, other than you can create your own apps and they have SDKs and toolkits and all of it crunches up as your compute cycles. This is the industry they're trying to bamboozle everybody with.

1:36:22 And the only people still looking at the nut jobs in open AI, the effective altruists, is the techno douches from France 24. And so now, and it's rampant there. Because now the techno chick is gonna explain it to us. Let me just ask you that Julia. What do you think has been happening? Well, Nadia, it was for sure is that the official reason of his early dismissal is still unclear but in the backdrop of all of this you have this battle between two different currents of thought on how to develop AI. On one hand you have what we call people who are in the effective

1:36:58 And the other is to advance So there you have it. Altman was in a different cult. He was in effective accelerism. Have you ever heard of something so stupid? Effective accelerism, okay. In real time and they tend to be against regulation so of course this is simply put but you can understand the dilemma of companies who by wanting to be a little bit too ethical they also risk to lose the market share. Now what's been said about Sam Altman is that he could have been transitioning towards a more accelerationist vision which could have divided

1:37:57 open AI's board members. Now you have to understand that most companies who work in the AI sector are actually in a franzic race to go towards what we call general artificial intelligence. So an artificial intelligence that would surpass us as humans in all tasks and all domains. Now, of course, Nadia, we're not there yet. We shouldn't even be talking about artificial intelligence. Most of the time we should refer to deep learning, machine learning, so when algorithms are using data to train themselves, but there isn't any intelligence there per se. What? There's no intelligence? What? Oh no, techno chick, do tell me more. So it's impressive, Julia, but we know that there are big challenges as well with AI. Of course there are. It's very imperfect. There's what we call algorithmic bias. So this is when the AI is going to reflect the bias in the data that it uses to train itself and the data of the bias of the data scientists. There's a problem. There's a lack of transparency, which is huge, especially when we talk about deep neural networks. So these are neural networks are trying to mimic the human brain in the way that it actually thinks.

1:38:59 And I love how these people, there's some actual thought in Silicon Valley. Yeah, we can do better than the brain. Yeah, we can do better than that. I mean, people only use a certain, although that's been debunked. You know, it's like, we can do better. We can do better than God in this. It's no problem. We can create neural pathways. And here it's very opaque. We don't know how the decision process is happening. So what's the decision tree, for instance? Of course, we're talking about the decision tree. We're back to skip logic, John. There it is. The decision. What's the decision tree here? Who plants the seed for the decision tree? What's the decision tree, for instance? Of course, we're talking about data. So there's security and confidentiality issues.

1:39:42 and you know, many jobs and so these are all of the problems but of course there's the other side of the coin. It's gonna revolutionize so many sectors. Let's take just one example. The health sector. Now we're talking about early diagnosis thing to AI. We're talking about predictive health. We're talking about personalized treatment. That's gonna reduce cost. It's gonna reduce side effects for patients and ultimately it's gonna save lives. So I think before it actually replaces us completely, it's really gonna

1:40:29 start assisting us at least in the task that we have on a daily basis. No, it's not. This is the medical smart systems that were developed in the 80s. Expert systems was the term back then in the 80s. Oh, do tell. Remember that? No, no. Give us some history. I love hearing about this. Oh yeah, the expert did. This is the last time we had this flirtation with artificial intelligence was in the 80s. with the fifth generation computing and all the rest of it. And they had all the Stanford had a big lab and MIT had a big lab and they were all working on all this stuff. And one of the things they came up with was expert systems. And expert systems was exactly what they're talking about, what she's kind of talking about where the medical was gonna be transformed by expert systems and you put your symptoms into the computer and the computer with its,

1:41:21 AI, it was AI at the time, which was an expert system, would come back with a diagnosis. And this was what, 45 years ago? That actually has come back. It's interesting you bring that up because I heard on my hate list, and I won't obviously won't play it. This was a couple of weeks back. They had on a guy clearly, you know, was meant to be promoted on their show and he had developed kiosks. Yes, kiosks where you walk into the kiosk and the AI goes, what is your problem? And then you say, well, I got a scratchy throat. It says put on this sensor. And then you strap a sensor on and then and then poop. It'll say you need this and it'll pop out some of that pill for you to take. This is the same thing. This I'm not going to use it. So they got rid of the free pills.

1:42:19 They got rid of the Helen Toner who was Australian, not British. Thank you for correcting me, everybody. They got rid of all those kooks and then put Sam back in and he's right. He's the shim. So you sit there, you sit pretty and then if you get sued out of existence... If all hell breaks loose, you're on your own. Yeah. And then maybe I'll bring you back in. Don't worry about it because we'll take you in. Yeah, we have the IP. And if you're beaten up. We have the IP. We have the compute. And we have the IP. Microsoft is dynamited at getting IP and then doing nothing with it.

1:42:56 They had, they stole all the IP of the... IP is intellectual property for people who don't know. They took all the, if you remember that era, it was another little fad that took place, just started, kind of came and went just before we began our show 16 years ago with these machine translation systems. And there was a bunch of them and some of them were pretty good. and heard something, learn out and how speedy and there's a whole bunch of them. Somehow Microsoft and they worked well. You mean when you talk and then it would translate your speech to text? Yeah.

1:43:34 And it worked pretty well, and in fact, it worked better than it should have, especially Housebee and Lerner, or whatever that one system was. And Microsoft's always invested a little bit here and there. And they ended up, as part of the investment, when the companies all went under, they all went under. Microsoft ended up with all the IP that was part of the deal. It's like, well, if you go broke, we're gonna give you money. But if you go broke, it says right here in the contract, We now have the IP. This is like a... That's how Microsoft rolls. Microsoft's... But the thing is, they ended up collecting all this IP and I remember writing about this. Microsoft, I was told by one of the ex-guys from one of these companies, says, oh, Microsoft's gonna kick ass in this field because they own all the IP of all the companies that did any of this work. And they're gonna be the company that does all...

1:44:27 No, never have they just IP still there. They nobody they sit on it and they don't do crap with it It's like they're the dude. I don't know what it is about them, but they suck up IP and then they let it languish It's weird. Well, I mean that's that they do whatever they want So yeah, I know where they're in my I don't know how you feel about it, but I think this thing is falling apart now I don't think it's falling apart yet. Well, you're always a little ahead of this With your prediction, I think it's got a year to go or maybe more. Okay, but not not much Well, I'm gonna give you some kudos I'm not gonna give you any kudos for the following clip, but I think it'd be a nice break and clippage to play this. Okay, I

1:45:10 And it's not necessarily kudos, but it's like an eye roller as far as I'm concerned. Can you just say, Adam, you're great? You don't have to play a clip. You can just say, good job, Adam, whatever it is. Well, I'm not going to say it yet. So I'm watching the value attainment guys, PBD. Oh yes, the value attainment guys. And for some unknown reason, I don't know why, the beginning never explained it, but Roger Stone was sitting there. I can already feel where this is going. And so they're talking about everything. They're talking about the Sam Bankman, this not Sam Bankman, but I did the same thing. Sam Altman. Get those two confused. Sam Altman and how he got, you know, the analysis was here and there. Before you intro this clip, just to accentuate what we're talking about, Sam Altman, he ran Y Combinator and that was one of the

1:46:10 Really one of the 2000s, one of the big things was an incubator. It's a technology incubator and it works like this. It was a good one too. Yeah. Oh, totally. I think didn't zoom come out of that and slack and all that stuff came out of it. He made a lot of money. Yeah. And so, but what you do is you say, okay, you two couple of guys, you're good. Come in here, give us 50% of your company. Uh, and, uh, and we'll give you a desk. Enjoy, and then when something pops out, then you hook those guys up with your Redpoint VC guys, and you're an angel investor, and you make out like a bandit. And if you're lucky, one or two of these will sell, and you make a lot of money. And all the rest, those kids are just, they're the ones that got wiped off the sidewalks of San Francisco when she came to town.

1:47:00 But it doesn't mean that he's some AI genie. Anyway, so this was about politics and they go on and on about what's going to happen and how and they were talking about Trump's numbers going up like the clip we just played. And he goes on and on. And so they ask him for a rundown of what's going on with what are they going to do about Biden and the rest of it. And I thought this was quite interesting. And I think you'd enjoy it. Roger, who's going to make that decision to say President Biden? Thank you for your service. Please step aside. How does the inner workings the inner plumbing of the DNC? Actually work who's making that the most influential Democrat in the country today is Barack Obama. There is no question about that and these these affiliated news outlets

1:47:51 of that the filing deadlines have already passed in the Democratic primary and caucus schedule for New Hampshire. New Hampshire and Iowa have been neutered. They've taken away their delegates to make South Carolina the first contest. A state with an absolute majority of African-American voters in their primary. The Chicago, the convention is where? Chicago. The Obama's hometown. I have predicted for some time that Michelle Obama is the most likely Democratic nominee. For the simple reason... More than Newsom? Here's why, quite simply.

1:48:42 You have an African, pardon me, you have a woman of color who's the vice president. She's next in line. How do you rationalize passing her by? If Joe doesn't run, how can you get away with passing her by? She's not- You gotta pull the race card. You have to do it. Right, of course. Identity politics. So you replace a woman of color with a far more popular woman of color. So you're gonna have two women running the country? No, no, no. I'm out. No, not necessarily. All right, stupid. But I don't think that they can, I mean, you can't just bypass Kamala Harris despite the fact that she doesn't have dementia but she makes less sense than you. Yeah, well he's been on this tip for a while.

1:49:21 So yeah, I just thought I'd give you a little yeah. Yeah, we will boost big Mike 2024 everybody The American public would really recoil against this you really think so oh, yeah Well, maybe I don't know You know what it would be good for the show It would be good for the show. Great for the show, that's for sure. I have nothing but rando clips. But can we do a little pharma then before we get into some randos? We want to do randos first. I'd like to start the pharma off with the Moderna CEO at a WEF meeting.

1:50:00 This has got to be old. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a question and answer. The date is unknown, but it's not more than a year old. But it's where he The clip is called CEO of Moderna predicting the pandemic. I'm going to go with the stuff and then so let's talk about vaccine development because we've heard how it happened, obviously, with COVID-19 starting from 2022 and how extraordinary the process was also in terms of the speed. How is development adoption and scaling of vaccine going on when it comes to different variants and sub variants? Because this is one of the big concerns

1:49:21 So yeah, I just thought I'd give you a little yeah. Yeah, we will boost big Mike 2024 everybody The American public would really recoil against this you really think so oh, yeah Well, maybe I don't know You know what it would be good for the show It would be good for the show. Great for the show, that's for sure. I have nothing but rando clips. But can we do a little pharma then before we get into some randos? We want to do randos first. I'd like to start the pharma off with the Moderna CEO at a WEF meeting.

1:50:00 This has got to be old. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a question and answer. The date is unknown, but it's not more than a year old. But it's where he The clip is called CEO of Moderna predicting the pandemic. I'm going to go with the stuff and then so let's talk about vaccine development because we've heard how it happened, obviously, with COVID-19 starting from 2022 and how extraordinary the process was also in terms of the speed. How is development adoption and scaling of vaccine going on when it comes to different variants and sub variants? Because this is one of the big concerns

1:50:37 As we're all here now and we're discussing, we understand the context and this is a great deal. Sure, good morning and thank you for having me on the panel. So the great news versus 2020, where we are today, is we have manufacturing capacity. As Seth knows, when the pandemic happened, Moderna had made 100,000 doses in 2019 for the whole year. And I remember walking after that, I was in the office of my head of manufacturing and I said, how will we make a billion doses next year? And he look at me a bit funny, say what? I say, I will make a billion dollars next year, there's gonna be a pandemic. Okay, so this was taken, this was cut off. I didn't get the whole clip, I couldn't find it, but it's funny. Yeah, I think I have it somewhere. The whole one where he goes on, because I like know what he says afterwards.

1:51:31 By the way, while you're looking for that, I do have the new pandemic or a possible one. Oh yes. Have you heard about this? Yes, I have a... I couldn't get an American clip. Do you have an American clip? I have the NTD clip. Oh, we'll do the NTD clip and then we will do the WION clip. They are the only ones that seem to be on this. Let's see, what do you have it called here? New new new new. Yes, new new a wave of mystery pneumonia is breaking out in China affecting mostly children and overwhelming Chinese hospitals doctors there tell us the disease can be traced back to some combined pathogens like COVID-19 the flu and a mycoplasma pneumonia Parents say the symptoms are usually severe

1:52:17 But this time the child had a high fever repeatedly, which never went down. This is too scary. A former Chinese reporter posted a conversation in a group chat indicating that a child died on the new pneumonia. The wave hit the area around Beijing, but also Dalian, a city almost 500 miles from Beijing. Hospitals are overwhelmed with sick children. Hospital staff from Tianjin City told us some children have to wait days to be treated. Parents start scrambling several days in advance to get the numbers. We only have so many doctors, and we can only handle so many people every day. So we give out a certain amount of numbers every day. You can book in advance, but you have to be able to grab one first, because a huge number of children are getting sick.

1:53:06 This wave started a month ago and it's getting worse recently. Parents told us some schools suspended classes as both teachers and students are sick. They said the authorities are trying to block information from circulating online. Oh, this is very good. Oh, excellent. Well, WION was a little more explicit about it, trying to relate it to the the OG pandemic. An undetermined pneumonia outbreak in China is hitting children hard. Children's hospitals are overwhelmed in multiple locations. reports of a spike in pneumonia cases in China are similar to early reports of a mystery pneumonia outbreak in 2019 in Wuhan which heralded the emergence of COVID-19. Now the reports reference swamped pediatric hospitals in multiple locations including Beijing and Liaoning which is around 800 kilometers away. Reports

1:53:57 Reports also say the pneumonia outbreaks have led to school cancellations and some illnesses in teachers. So what we need to see now, people be aware, we need to see children dying on TikTok. That would be one. I mean, originally we saw people falling down on TikTok in the middle of the street. You remember those videos? Oh, those are the good old days. So we need something like that. Then we need a spray, it's being sprayed with some powder. Remember that one? Yes. And then we need a landing zone.

1:54:45 in the West where, you know, well some babies got on a flight and they flew over there and infected the other babies. Seattle. Seattle would be good. And then we'll take it from there. You know, we already have all the drills. We know how to do it. We know how to talk to people. We know how to communicate with Johns Hopkins. When they start getting on this train, then we should be worried. And at the same time, Mandy Cohen, You heard it here first by the way. Yes, yes. Oh, we're all over this. We're ready for it. Dr. Mandy Cohen, who is the new director of the CDC, man, she is, she's also a marketing person. She's like the Sam Altman of big pharma.

1:55:30 And she's going out there and she's getting everybody ready and getting everybody worried and everyone confused. A little bit, be a little, a little anxious because you don't want to kill grandma. Remember it's Thanksgiving, everybody. Let's have a happy, cheery report. As millions get ready to gather for the holiday, health officials are urging people to take some extra precautions. That's because the CDC estimates there have already been up to 1.6 million flu cases. RSV infections are also on the rides, especially impacting kids under the age of four and COVID-19 still a concern for a lot of families, but only about 15% of adults have received that updated shot. So let's break it down and see what it all means, how we can protect ourselves and our loved ones. This is the CDC's new director, Dr. Mandy Cohen. Dr. Cohen, so happy that you're here with us today. You know, the news stations are so happy they don't have to deal with Fauci anymore.

1:56:20 They got Dr. Mandy. She's up, she's exciting, she's young, you know, they're happy to have her on the show. As we said, tons of people are on the road, people are going to be gathering. Not many people have gotten the flu shot or the COVID shot. How concerned are you about these? Leading the witness. Well look, we love to gather during the holidays. In fact, it's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. So fun. It's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. But as we get into the holidays... Hold on a second. Specifically what makes it fun? You've done hits? She's there with him, she's in studio. Oh, she's in the studio. It's so fun. So fun getting up at the crack of dawn.

1:57:02 Getting in your limo, then getting into makeup, and then waiting around, and drinking crappy coffee. It's so fun! Holiday gatherings. Well look, we love to gather during the holidays and first it's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. But as we get into the holidays, we need to protect each other. And yes, too few people have gotten the vaccine. Hold on a second. We need to protect each other. Is she repeating the completely debunked lie that being vaccinated somehow stops the spread? We have to protect each other, so I have to get vaccinated for you? I thought we were past this. You have to get vaccinated for me and you have to be masked up, double-masked, and 95s, two of them, and six feet away. So, okay, so we're just back to that old script and it's just so fun to be here and we're not questioning that. NBC Today show. To be here with both of you, so fun. But as we get into the holidays, we need to protect each other. And yes, too few people have gotten the vaccine so far.

1:58:04 far and I know folks are over covid and they want to leave it in the rear view mirror, but it's here with us. So the 3 reasons to get vaccinated one the virus has changed. He won't the most updated protection you can get second if you had covid before or you've had been vaccinated that protection has decreased over time. So you want to boosted up protection. And third, people are still getting long COVID, right? The long symptoms from that virus, even if you get a mild case. So all three reasons. We don't want to be sick, but we certainly don't want to be sick for a long time. So getting vaccinated is still really the most important way you can protect yourself and your family. Oh, well, thanks, Dr. Mandy. Oh, but wait, there's more. I mean, wasn't there a shortage of all these wonderful, this trivalent? It was hard to get the COVID vaccine in the early going, this more updated one. Do you feel like all those wrinkles have been kind of ironed out and it's pretty accessible now? Yeah. So moving out of the emergency, the federal government wasn't purchasing and distributing. The private sector was doing it. They did have some hiccups right at the beginning, but that's

1:59:03 all really been ironed out. Plenty of supply of vaccine for COVID and flu. Get your appointment now. It's never too late to get vaccinated. I know folks are saying, it's already in the middle of season. No, it's actually just starting right now. So plenty of time to get vaccinated. Plenty of time to get vaccinated. If it's starting right now, there's not plenty of time. How does that make any sense? Because she's doing a sales job here. She's got her brown shoes on and she's selling. By the way, karma for Sir Mark Hall. He finally got COVID. He had not gotten COVID. He got COVID. He texted me, he said, happy Thanksgiving. I have COVID. And you know what the doctor pushed on him right away? Remdesivir.

1:59:46 I said, no, I'm not a doctor, but no, no, no, no, no, not at all. Let's go back to Dr. Mandy. The number of people who have the flu seems pretty high. Do you think this is all because we had been isolated for so much? Because now I know it's because your immune system is shot. I feel like people have had these long coughs for months that's been going on and on. Oh, that's it. That's you, John. Yeah, you had a cough going on for quite a long time. Yeah, you should. I had a cough that went on for a month. Yeah, you should mask up. I don't want it coming through the wires. There are a lot of bugs that are circulating. It's never too late to get vaccinated. Viruses and bacteria, but we have ways to protect ourselves. Vaccine is one, but also if you get sick over this holiday season, make sure you're getting tested because testing allows you to know what you have.

2:00:32 It doesn't. It doesn't even work. I have boxes of tests. We have treatment for flu and for COVID and that treatment could save your life. You can get it for free. If there's treatments, what do you need the vaccine for? Yeah, I don't know. She's screwing up. Yeah, this is no good. ...for flu and for COVID. And that treatment could save your life. You can get four free tests, COVID tests, at covidtests.gov right now. We actually just yesterday said you can get four free new ones. So get your test, take them with you if you travel so you know if you're getting sick. Take... so you know if you're getting sick. This is all so dystopian. It's such bullcrap. Yeah, last clip. You know you're getting sick. Just keep taking the test over and over.

2:01:13 Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC, and I don't have to tell you that... The new sheriff in town? She's the new sheriff in town. She's not a Dr. Jim. She's just a bureaucrat. She's a sheriff. When did the CDC become the spokesperson for all this stuff? I remember 10 years ago they never showed it. It's only recent. Yeah, we never heard from the CDC. They're in we know there was something you know some crazy outbreak of Salmonella. Yeah, well, let's go back to the new sheriff in town. Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC and I don't have to tell you there have been she oh, she's laughing in the background. Yes, I am. Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC and I don't have to tell you there have been some questions about trust in the agency in the wake of

2:01:59 the pandemic. Just a few surveys will show you that the CDC is held in not low regard, but the trust is not there as it used to be. What are you doing to turn it around? Yeah, so I'm about six months into the job. We're focused on transparency, where I think that's important to build trust, communicating faster, more simply, making sure we're focused on giving folks simple ways to protect themselves, certainly building relationships. And I personally have been traveling all around the country so that folks can hear from me directly. So I'm not just a CDC director, I'm a mom. I'm not just the president of the Hair Club for Men, I'm a client. So that folks can hear from me directly. So I'm not just a CDC director, I'm a mom. I have two daughters who are 9 and 11, and I want them to know what I did for my own daughters. And I got both

2:02:46 of them the updated COVID vaccine and the flu shot because I wanted them to be protected. Why didn't you give them the RSV shot? Same with myself. I got myself vaccinated. My parents. I wouldn't recommend something for the American people. I wouldn't do for my own family. And I want them to hear from me directly. So I've been all over the country sharing that message. Well, Dr. Cohn, we wish you the best of luck. Thank you for coming to see us. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Right. Well, so, you know, honestly, that's all unless this new Chinese thing gets some get some legs which I don't know I mean I don't know if that's gonna work or not I think it would have been picked up by someone by now it's been a month in the making yeah well it took a while for COVID to you know to really

2:03:29 But first it was a slow burn. We had the tick-tock video. We need the tick-tock videos. We need dead babies. Oh, it's Cove it I think began in earnest when the cases appeared in Seattle. No when it was in Italy, that's when it started No, no, it was the Seattle cases. That's when we got involved that oh, we had a case we here. Yes true true We here got him all jacked up and it was I still have the clips. I Where they go, well, you know, we have to wait and see. It's bad, bad for these old people. Let's just finish this out with some ABC. ABC, they got a little buy on ABC. Not a big buy, but they did, you know, do. And someone emailed us asking about this.

2:04:15 But you didn't really understand about the native ad. And I had to explain that when the pharmaceutical companies or any company, McDonald's is even a better example. McDonald's has, you know, they're bringing back the McNugget or the McRib sandwich. And then so they say, OK, we're going to buy five million dollars worth of advertising. We're going to have spots running on ABC. But then, you know, to kick it off, we want to have the morning crew now eating our McRib sandwich. Yeah. And by the way, there should be noted that we always time these out and they always run almost exactly two minutes. It's like a definite bye. You see the spot, if it goes any longer people are giving each other the evil eye. So let's see, let's talk, well let's see if ABC, good morning America, if they have anything

2:05:04 And with that, Ginger, flu and respiratory illness season getting underway. The CDC issuing its first report of the season on where activity is already high. Stephanie Ramos is here with more. Good morning, Stephanie. Robin, good morning. We are in the thick of the flu season. New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that several states are grappling with elevated flu activity. The CDC's latest report reveals concerning spikes. in influenza cases across seven states including Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, New Mexico and South Carolina. Additionally, DC and Puerto Rico are experiencing elevated flu levels. Some good news though, despite increased flu and COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations have been lower compared to last year. However, health

2:05:52 officials caution against complacency. The CDC estimates there have been more than 780,000 flu illnesses and nearly 500 deaths from October of last year up until last week. While flu hospitalizations have remained lower than this time last year, emergency rooms brace for what could be a challenging season with simultaneous surge in RSV, flu and COVID. Now As the holiday season approaches, Thanksgiving is just this week. Health officials warn about the potential for super spreader events and urge caution during gatherings. Lindsay. Encouraging people to mask up once again. Stephanie, our thanks to you. No one said that. The CDC didn't say it. She just said encouraging people to mask up.

2:06:36 So I don't know what that was about but Pax Lovid got some advertising in here. Alright Dr. Darian you are taking a look at COVID cases. They are ticking up around the country. Ticking up? It's not ticked? People are revisiting questions around Pax Lovid. Tell us about that. Who's benefiting from it? So I think it's really important to talk about this when I'm diagnosing patients and they have a higher risk I usually talk to them about PaxLavid and its helpful effectiveness in preventing COVID-19 complications. So here are some of the four things I think you should know. Oh, oh so he's not the vaccine guy he's the PaxLavid guy not PaxLovid, the PaxLavid guy. So here are some of the four things I think you should know. Number one, who are they for? PaxLavid is indicated for anyone over the age of

2:07:17 50 and or those who have lung and heart disease or a compromised immune system. We've known previously in clinical trials that Paxilivit has reduced the risk of hospitalization by as much as 90 percent. Now you might see newer studies that show a decrease effectiveness. That doesn't mean that the medication is decreasing the effectiveness. I love that. What does it mean? We're comparing it to though the comparable group those who have been vaccinated those who have had COVID-19 infections that's why we see that number change. Did you understand what he just said? Yeah, he didn't say anything. You may read stuff about, okay, go out there and debunk this. Whatever you read is wrong. Listen to me. Studies that show a decrease effectiveness, that doesn't mean that the medication is decreasing the effectiveness. Who we're comparing it to though? The comparable group, those who have been vaccinated, those who have had COVID-19 infections. That's why we see that number change.

2:08:08 Thirdly, what it looks like. It is a combination of two medications, three pills you take twice a day. And then lastly, the possible side effects that we should all pay attention to. It can include an altered sense of taste, nausea, diarrhea, and sometimes muscle aches. That's the same thing as COVID. You're taking COVID. Exactly the same. It's basically COVID in a pill. Of course, we always talk about the risk of Paxilvid Rebound, which is a small but important to note population where it occurs. Wow. Absolutely. Well, that antiviral medication is certainly helping many. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Good job. Here's your check. Get out of here, doc.

2:08:46 But that of course is not... No, no, the check goes the other way. Yeah, well this is not... But he also gets paid off, truth. This of course is not the big pharma ad for this season. No. This season is all about Thanksgiving. Do you say Thanksgiving or thanksgiving? I hear people say Thanksgiving instead of thanksgiving. I say thanksgiving. Yeah, but is it Thanksgiving? Yeah. Or thanksgiving? Thanksgiving. Okay. Anyway, back to the season. Of course, we have something fantastic on the market right now.

2:09:27 We're so happy to have this because people usually struggle around this season when there's a lot of food around and luckily we've got some weight loss drugs for you. Which one shall we sell on NBC? We gather tonight with friends and family getting ready for the Thanksgiving holiday. Some are changing the way many people think about their Thanksgiving feast. The growing popularity of weight loss drugs. Stephanie Goss on a holiday meal game changer. It's a game changer. Step aside stuffing in pumpkin pie. For many Americans, the focus this Thanksgiving may be less on the food. The use of revolutionary weight loss and diabetes medications is skyrocketing. For some people that this holiday is about piling up a lot of food on your plate. Is that something that you would do anymore?

2:10:16 Absolutely not. Jackie Barrow lost 75 pounds in the last year taking the diabetes drug Monjaro. You're just not eating the same amounts that you used to. It all looks so good, but you just don't have anywhere to put it. In the end of the day, how can you resist that pumpkin pie, Jackie? You can't resist it. I don't, but I'll take it, you know, just a little bit. The conservative estimate is that at least 3 million people are taking diabetes drugs Ozempic and Manjaro or the obesity drug Wigovi. You think people are going to buy less turkeys? I doubt that's going to happen this Thanksgiving.

2:10:53 But while the bottom line for food companies hasn't changed, the industry is definitely paying attention. In October, Walmart's CEO told Bloomberg that shoppers who were picking up prescriptions to weight loss medications were buying less food. How do you think food companies will start adapting? The easy options are things like portion control. If people are saying I get full faster, then maybe I want to pivot to something that's smaller portion sizes. Which is what grandmother Jackie Barrow says she will prefer tomorrow while she enjoys some of her newfound energy. I'll be running around with the kids. I am thankful I am going to be able to do this and enjoy it more this time. With a little less food and lots more family.

2:11:37 Oh, it's wonderful. This is a new little thing in there. Did you catch it? It increases your energy. Yeah. So you run around with the kids, granny. Yeah. Uh huh. I did get boots on the ground. Very well done. Boots on the ground from a family physician in the Netherlands. I just got out of a Pfizer lunch. Oh, Pfizer launch? Yes, about the winter respiratory infections. It seems like they are lining up medical professionals for more awareness on respiratory syndrome, i.e. trying to scare them.

2:10:53 But while the bottom line for food companies hasn't changed, the industry is definitely paying attention. In October, Walmart's CEO told Bloomberg that shoppers who were picking up prescriptions to weight loss medications were buying less food. How do you think food companies will start adapting? The easy options are things like portion control. If people are saying I get full faster, then maybe I want to pivot to something that's smaller portion sizes. Which is what grandmother Jackie Barrow says she will prefer tomorrow while she enjoys some of her newfound energy. I'll be running around with the kids. I am thankful I am going to be able to do this and enjoy it more this time. With a little less food and lots more family.

2:11:37 Oh, it's wonderful. This is a new little thing in there. Did you catch it? It increases your energy. Yeah. So you run around with the kids, granny. Yeah. Uh huh. I did get boots on the ground. Very well done. Boots on the ground from a family physician in the Netherlands. I just got out of a Pfizer lunch. Oh, Pfizer launch? Yes, about the winter respiratory infections. It seems like they are lining up medical professionals for more awareness on respiratory syndrome, i.e. trying to scare them.

2:12:19 I have to disagree with JCD. RSV has been a very common respiratory infection in children up to one year. Has no specific treatment but is a common reason for hospitalization for support or oxygen when they present with an asthma attack. However... Mike, my thing you can't disagree with me. Because I never said anything except the following I've never heard of this disease until three years ago. Yes, that's correct. You have not ever heard of it. That's correct. Lots of other people disagree. I am not lying No, you're not lying. In fact, it is a classic JCD move. There's no evidence. There's no evidence I've ever heard of this. There's no evidence you ever heard of this up until three years ago. Correct. Both Pfizer and GlaxoSmithKline have an RSV vaccine in the pipelines. About 70 pregnant mothers need to take the vaccine to prevent one hospitalization of their children. This is the data he got from the lunch.

2:13:19 The GSK trial has problems with higher rates of preterm birth and even death. Sounds like a winner! Wait, who's giving on the seminar again? What was the name of the company? Pfizer. Pfizer, of course. So why are they gonna start plugging the other guy's products? I don't think so. No, he's not plugging the guy. He's... No, no, the Pfizer, if they're gonna present something, they're not gonna present good news about G.S. Exactly. GlaxoSmithKline. No, they said that their vaccine is killing people. It's telling people. Probably a minor problem in adults compared to flu, COVID and narcoccal pneumonia. RSV was found in 5.7% of about 20,000 elderly in a Dutch study, median age 75, none were ever hospitalized. There you go. So, so...

2:14:10 This giving it to old people is the new thing which is of course, you know is to rip off Medicare and and government totally government money That's what it's about. Yeah, just tell everybody old people. Yeah Wait, I'm old enough. I've been collecting medicare medicare for years and you see it when you go, just for a checkup or anything. They are trying to come up with anything they can do to charge more to the government. And I see right, I'm looking at it, I don't want this, this, I don't want that shot, I don't want this, I don't want that, and they always back off. Oh yeah, well you don't really need it. But they really want you to sign up for everything so they can gouge the government. This is really the problem with Medicare.

2:14:57 Of course it is, it's horrible. Why is it going broke? Because they're gouging the government. Yeah. I just have two more clips before I can take a break and then we can certainly do some randos. Hang on, we had a dinner the other night. I'm looking at this copper price. Did you see that this copper company collapsed? This Chinese copper company, Micah Metals? Yeah. I mean, copper is... There's no way that... Something is wrong. We have all these manufacturers saying we're going to make electric vehicles, but there's no demand for copper and the copper mines are closing. I don't understand it.

2:14:10 This giving it to old people is the new thing which is of course, you know is to rip off Medicare and and government totally government money That's what it's about. Yeah, just tell everybody old people. Yeah Wait, I'm old enough. I've been collecting medicare medicare for years and you see it when you go, just for a checkup or anything. They are trying to come up with anything they can do to charge more to the government. And I see right, I'm looking at it, I don't want this, this, I don't want that shot, I don't want this, I don't want that, and they always back off. Oh yeah, well you don't really need it. But they really want you to sign up for everything so they can gouge the government. This is really the problem with Medicare.

2:14:57 Of course it is, it's horrible. Why is it going broke? Because they're gouging the government. Yeah. I just have two more clips before I can take a break and then we can certainly do some randos. Hang on, we had a dinner the other night. I'm looking at this copper price. Did you see that this copper company collapsed? This Chinese copper company, Micah Metals? Yeah. I mean, copper is... There's no way that... Something is wrong. We have all these manufacturers saying we're going to make electric vehicles, but there's no demand for copper and the copper mines are closing. I don't understand it.

2:15:42 It makes no sense. And then we had a dinner and there's a guy who works at Mercedes-Benz and he says, it's horrible. He says, it is, it's horrible what's happening. He's like a, he's like a internal combustion engine guy. He says, this is no good. They said they, I guess the EQ, I don't know what, the sub EV Mercedes sells. And the battery, just the battery, guess how much it costs? Just $40,000. $46,000. He says, you have an accident, immediately that thing has to be replaced. He says, no, the insurance companies are not going to insure these cars. No, they're going to total everything out. They're not going to insure these cars. And so the insurance for those cars is going to go way up. And so I said, I said, so what is Formula One McLaren? Are they going to do all battery cars? He says, no, it's worse. He says the AMG, now AMG is the

2:16:41 Like the high-end Mercedes with the aftermarket company for jacking up Mercedes cars. Right, but they sell them as new. I mean, yeah, no, they're new cars. Yeah. And they put their jacked up. They got better horsepower. They look better. Everything about them is cool. Right. So they're now. So I said, he said, I said, what's going to happen with the AMGs? He says they're going to put batteries in them and then like a four cylinder engine. So they're still going to sell this AMG as a high horsepower car, but it's all coming from batteries. And the engine is just going to be a little four cylinder piece of crap. Yeah, like 1800cc or something. Yeah, some motorcycle engine. I mean, are people going to buy this? I can't believe people are going to buy this.

2:17:33 Well from AMG, they'll buy anything from AMG. I mean the Prius, people don't realize, but a Prius which is the real winner of a hybrid, it doesn't even have a normal... combustion engine in the front to make it a hybrid is some three-cylinder weird engine that's not even a normal engine. It's a wankle engine. And when it starts up the whole car shakes like a son of a bitch. It's a wankle motor I tell you. No, now Toyota has announced a car that runs on ammonia. Yeah. This doesn't sound right. I'm not gonna get in an ammonia car, forget it. It's not me. Flying bombs. I don't know what to think, it's stupid. Anyway, it will be necessary because, well maybe not, we're basically dead. I mean, we've missed it, we've blown it.

2:18:20 We're supposed to keep the temperature down 1.5 degrees. It's 41 here in the Hill Country, but okay, that's not the lead story, CNN. In our Earth Matters series, a moment scientists have been warning about for decades. For the first time, the global average temperature on Friday was more than 2 degrees Celsius hotter than levels before industrialization. Now that's a crucial threshold that could have irreversible impacts on the planet. Let's go to CNN's chief climate correspondent Bill Weir. So, Bill, walk us through the significance of this and what the impacts could be. Well, Bianna, of course, the Paris Accord was hoping to hold things at 1.5 degrees Celsius with a limit of two

2:18:59 One third of the days this year were above 1.5 degrees. That's how hot the last 12 months have been. And yes, humanity reached that red letter 2 degrees Celsius point. This is really the troubling point science has always pointed to as a point where we start to see these tipping points. where methane is released in the Arctic perhaps or ice shelves on the Antarctic might break off and things could happen suddenly. That of course might happen after decades of... Wow, that's totally climate of fear. Where they blew up a part of the Arctic shelf and then a piece of ice broke off and that was the worst thing that could ever happen. He doesn't exactly explain what happens.

2:19:42 But when that ice shelf breaks, we're all dead. or the Europe space and climate agency, you see the red line where we are. Off the charts compared to all the decades that come before. The spaghetti at the bottom are 10 year periods going back to the 40s. Off the charts, warmest in 125,000 years. And on top of this, we just got a new projection from the UN that just looked at the plans for fossil fuel extraction. Already what's underway, what's in the pipeline, they say will warm us up to

2:20:24 double right now. 2.9 degrees as well. That despite all the pledges to decarbonize, that emissions hit a record in 2022 over 57 gigatons of carbon put up into the sea and sky. It needs to come down at a rate of 29% by the end of this decade, by 2030. The honor we're on track now to just with all the pledges met be less than 10% decrease. Oh No, we're dead man. I can't believe you're alive. Are you hello? Are you are you even with me? I mean this we should be dead by this. It's just horrible. I don't know Now I like the weather It's warm over there. It's nice. We could use a little warmer. I could take two to two degrees Celsius So now this is a gem

2:21:11 So sometime in 2024, if all goes according to the evil plans of the elites, we will have this... this WHO, World Health Organization, treaty signed and ratified by all member states. And this includes the United States as our country has a treaty. The treaty is already in place. This is an upgrade to the treaty, which I believe does not even have to be ratified by our Congress. That's... I think it gets him grandfathered in. Something like that. And this is being warned about in European Parliament. I haven't really seen it in Congress, but there's a lot of people saying, hey, they're going to have a lot of power. Too much. I'm sorry? Too much power. Too much power. Now, no one's really taken this seriously because you get that... What's the douchebag's name from Nigeria?

2:22:11 Des, Des, Desman. What's his name? The, the, I don't know. The head of the WHO, the guy we kept, we kept. Yeah, that guy. That's his name. I always just call him that guy. I can't understand him half the time. That guy. Wow, I'm annoyed. No, not Desmond Tutu. Troll Room trying to be helpful. No, Tedros, Tedros. There we go. Tedros. Tedros. So he's hard to take serious. But There is a person at the WHO who kind of scares me. Who is our envoy? Who is the United States' douche du chef when it comes to climate change? I don't know. John Kerry.

2:23:00 Oh, that guy. Right. Well, guess where his daughter is? Our guest today is Vanessa Carey. In June, she became the first ever Climate Change and Health Special Envoy for the World Health Organization. Is she like a climatologist or is she a famous scientist and has done a lot of research, there's a lot of papers and she knows all about climate? Is that why she got this position? Well, I don't know but the unfortunate thing is that she has her dad's face. Oh my God. Our guest today is Vanessa Carey. In June, she became the first ever climate change and health special envoy for the World Health Organization. As such, she will be front and center at the upcoming COP28 in Dubai. So will be her father, John Carey, who is the special climate envoy of the Biden administration. She is in fact a doctor.

2:23:57 She is a... and there's a picture on her Wikipedia. She's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope around her neck. She actually... there's one picture of her here. Straight on she looks, you know, kind of okay but there's any semi-profile she looks like a transgender male. Dr. Vanessa Carey joins us from Boston. Thank you very much. So obviously when people think about climate change, they don't necessarily think about health. You were appointed the first to be appointed in that position. What does it tell us about the importance of health in the climate change issue? Well, I think we have learned with great, great understanding in the most recent years that the climate crisis is a health crisis.

2:24:44 And already climate you're through it, but you're missing what she's saying. Say climate crisis is a health health crisis in the most recent years that the climate crisis is a health crisis. And already we see 7 million people a year dying from air pollution, for example. That's more than we saw in the entire covid pandemic over three years. And that's one person every five seconds so that by the time I complete my next sentence, someone else will have died. Stop talking. Stop talking. You're killing people. And we see this in every aspect of health, the way climate change is impacting our lived experience.

2:25:23 There's a very real... Oh, our lived experience. Oh, goodness. This, she's a cliche. Every aspect of health, the way climate change is impacting our lived experience. And so... There's a very real opportunity for us to have a health-centered approach to climate change and to be able to ensure that we're protecting how we live, how we breathe, how we walk, and what we can do in our lives. And so the appointment, I think, is truly just an opportunity to continue to really flag the urgency of what we face. Save the climate. Wear a mask.

2:26:03 This is how you get climate lockdowns. It's bad for your health right now because you're driving an internal combustion engine. You need to stay home. These people, and this is, what kind of nepotism is this? Have John Kerry's daughter at the WHO now she's a special envoy. Oh yes, I'll be communicating with Tedros. Good old Teddy and I, we had a meeting. We think you should lock yourself in. She's the co-founder or the founder of the non-profit Seed Global Health. And that seems to be her, and she still does that, seems to be her main thing, formerly known as the Global Health Services Corps, founded in 2011. Peace Corps for doctors and nurses.

2:27:01 I have one last boots on the ground. I just wanted to read we have noticed certainly with the multiple wars that we are funding that the reports often have a lot of gunfire and missile launches and rockets and bombs. I have a new one for today's show. Well, if you if you play it, then I will hold my boots on the ground. So after we've played that, because this is it's actually on the ISO list. Okay, and it's the ISO rat that tat It's just nice Longtime listeners started longtime listeners start listening during kovat well not that long boots on the ground report when it comes to the Explosions you guys always make fun of when listening to a news package. They are called Nat pops

2:27:50 i.e. natural sounds, N-A-T-P-O-P-S, nat pops, are natural sounds, i.e. guns firing, explosions, jets zooming by, that are indeed used to break up reporter track in a news package. It's a strategy we use to bring the viewer into the story. In real life, our world is full of natpops. It's supposed to draw the viewer in, at least that's the theory. It's a lot less boring than just hearing a reporter track a voice all throughout the package. Anybody who works editing video and news knows this strategy and the bosses are always making sure we use these natpops in our storytelling.

2:28:29 Video editors who don't use this strategy are usually the suckier ones. Also, in my humble opinion and everybody else who edits video, Nat Pops separate bad or okay stories from great stories. For anyone wondering, I'm a photojournalist for a news company in Phoenix, shoot, edit, and even write stories I work in tandem with reporters and news producers daily. There you go. He's in the business. He's in the biz. Nat Pops. But we never had a name for it. Nat Pops. No, we never did. Well, we never worked in that field, but reporting war stories. Nat Pops. Nat Pops. Yeah. Nat Pops. I like it. Good to know. Okay, now we know. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage saying the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the chain of argument. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. DeMarco.

2:29:24 Well, in the morning to you Mr. Adam Curry, also in the morning all ships at sea, boats on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. And in the morning to the trolls. Now we don't expect a lot of trolls but let's see. Oh no. There's a shortage of trolls. 1316. That's probably the worst we've ever had. 1316 is the lowest for a Thursday, but this is Thursday. I don't remember us doing this count last Thanksgiving. No, probably did not. And we'd like to remind everybody we're working on Thanksgiving. Yeah, so we probably lost. Well, I figured we lost. I've always thought we'd lose 20% of the audience on these holidays that we work. Oh, I'm sure. Well, there you go. More than 20%, probably.

2:30:18 Now back in the day, I remember many, many a Thanksgiving when you would need to pause the show to baste your turkey. Yeah, but we're having the turkey tomorrow. Oh, of course, of course. And Jay's cooking it. The Dvorak's, yes. We have Christmas in January and Thanksgiving on Friday. Okay. Why? And Jay's cooking the turkey. Why? Oh, because Mimi is coming? Is Mimi coming down? No. She's not coming? Not this time. Wow. She's busy setting up the kennel. Oh, this by the way is this is Mimi of too many eggs calm. Yeah, too many eggs calm. Get some Christmas gifts while you're at it. She is doing the kennel to doing the hey, you know, you got to be careful with the kennel. You know about that. Very busy tomorrow because of the holiday. I wouldn't be so sure. We're all that we know all about it. We know all about the disease and there's certain

2:31:21 Things we will do at this kennel that no other kennels will do, like dogs can't share a ball. Well, so I just want to, so you obviously know, but we didn't play any clips that there's a mysterious dog illness on the loose. Yeah, the dog virus, a new dog virus. I'm waiting for a mRNA shot for your dog. That's what I'm waiting for. It's obviously, that's what's coming. It must be. So is there no ball sharing? No ball sharing, no water bowl sharing. No coughing each other. Do you make the dogs wear a mask? You have to wear a mask. The dogs all wear masks. They all get masked up when they come in. If you want to be a troll, you can of course join us. You can join us early on show days. Darren O'Neill does the Rock and Roll Pre-Show. You can go to... And by the way, Jack White stinks. And you know that last song he played was Jack White. It was just a cacophony. It was a mess.

2:32:18 It was not musical by any means. Jack White is a weird dude too, man. He's weird. He's a weird guy. He's just weird. You ever met him? No. No, I would have no opportunity to meet him that I can think of. Weird dude. Successful though. Yeah, of course he is. He's turned, he's, yeah. Well, that's not necessarily a given, but he's parlayed that pretty well. Has his own place where he gigs and yeah, gotten pretty good. Where did you meet him? Oh my god, so long ago. I don't remember. I've met everybody. Name it. Name it. Name it. Tchaikovsky? Met him. George W. Bush? No. But I did... Donald Trump? Hey, I should have met him by now. Yeah, you should have and I feel that, you know, support for him is out the window. Lost my vote. He can go sit there with Bobby the Op. I'm Big Mike 2024, baby. That's where I'm going.

2:33:22 So, you can become a troll by going to trollroom.io. I did meet Stephen Hawking. Yes, I did. Stephen Hawking. I met him. Remember that? No, I don't remember that. Yes, I was in a restaurant in Los Angeles and he was at the table next to me and he had all these hot nurses. Yeah, he always had babes around him. Yes, baborama. Hey baby, come over here. You can become a troll by going to trollroom.io where you can log in, you can start posting right away. And also of course we have the stream there, noagendastream.com. It's 24-7, there's always a cool podcast rolling. A lot of them are live these days. And if not, then it's still fun to troll along with your fellow trolls. You can get a modern podcast app, go to podcastapps.com.

2:34:11 A number of them have the live feature and CurioCaster actually is a, you don't even need an app for that. It's a website and you can, it has the chat room right in there and then troll along and do everything. These are great apps. You'll want that because when this show updates, those apps know within 90 seconds. No more waiting around for Apple to finally figure out, oh, this is a new podcast. No. You know it right away. The magic of pod ping. The value for value proposition is what we started just about 16 years ago and it has kept us on the air and kept us being able to continue to deconstruct media for you twice a week. Didn't we actually, didn't at some point we do three shows a week for maybe a couple weeks? Never. I thought, well we came close. We came threatening it. We came close. It was like a running gag.

2:35:07 Yeah, and then we never did it. I thought we tried it once and was like oh no that doesn't work No, we did something else It was like we did a I think one of our 200 to one of our bonus shows or something that was gonna be used for something else and we did it in the same During the week when we did the other shows and we realized we it's too much work to be three shows a week and it is actual work I mean people I'm like, you just yapping the microphone, shoot the shit with each other. It's like it's it's a it's not just a job. It's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. I mean, literally here we are on Thanksgiving. The minute we're done, I have to jump in the shower, get ready and I have 30 minutes to get to the Thanksgiving dinner that that we've been invited to. Where are you going? The International Arms Dealer.

2:35:56 I wish you always think you're gonna say International House of Pancakes. You have a great Thanksgiving dinner there. No, the International Arms Deal is great. His wife is a Moms for Liberty leader. So it'll be lively. I might have stuff to talk about. So will the food be good? She is top notch. She's a great cook. Why don't you eat there all the time? Well, we do. We eat there a lot. My wife is a good cook. I'm a good cook. But Andrea, her presentation is above anything we could achieve. She got great presentation. She has great sauce skills. Yeah, no, she's good. She's really good. And I'm bringing a Dutch dessert.

2:36:41 which is called Speck Kuk. People should take note of this. Speck Kuk, S-P-E-K-K-O-E-K, Speck Kuk, which was sent to me by a producer. And... So you didn't even make it? No, I'm going to tell everybody I did, though. Please. That's the way you do it. I made it. This is what I used to do with stuffing. I would make stovetop and people would love it. Oh, this is great stuffing. Of course it is. I slaved over it. It's a family recipe. Just stovetop is the best. Stovetop. So what is Speck Cook? Well, look it up. It's a multi-layered cake and you usually cut it into small slices, no more than a centimeter thick. And it has just layers of like a soft cookie type substance, you know, like maple syrupy type taste in there. It's sweet. Look it up, Speck Cook. I'm looking at it right now. Okay.

2:37:40 And what do you think? Thousand layer cake it's called. Okay, we call it speck cook thousand. Let's just speck cook thousand layer cake. Well, that's legit. That's that's chat GPT who just made that. No, I'm not looking at chat GPT. It's a colonized. Go. There's a green version. Yes. Yep. There's green versions. Yeah, this is the brown. Is this the green version? I don't know. I haven't cut into it. I don't. Green could be on the inside. It could be have a green layer on the inside. It's it's very tasty. Very rich. People go, that's rich. Very rich. It's a layered spice cake. Spice cake, yeah. It's extremely harmonious blend of Eastern and Western flavors. Yes, Indonesian. Yeah, all the good cooking in Holland is from Indonesia. Indonesian influences, correct. Thank you for reminding me. This has Indonesian influences.

2:38:37 I picked this up when I lived in Holland. I picked up the art of spekkoek. You know, some people call it thousand layer cake. There's no way. I'm looking at this cake. I'm saying there's no way you're going to cook this. Nobody that I know would make this cake because of the layers. That's me, baby. Too many layers. I slaved over it. I want people to be grateful. If anyone believes this story, they have to have something wrong with them. There you go. We are in the hill country. So we appreciate time, talent, treasure. That's what we love getting from people. And the way that works is, look, you got this show, you were hanging around. Hey, wow, these guys gave me some value, some value attainment. And they gave that to me for free. I could just listen to it whenever I wanted to. There's no subscription fee. There's no advertisements. There was no Patreon, no levels.

2:39:33 Didn't have to be no paywall where you get the premium content or bonus content. No premium content at all. It's all premium content. It's all 100% premium content. Why wouldn't all the content be premium? Where was the rest of it's crap? Exactly. Well, of course the stuff that you get for free is going to be crap. Our stuff is primo. It's A1 steak sauce right up front. And all we ask is from time to time, it's like, you know, That was valuable to me. Send us some value back. Time, talent, treasure. We have a lot of people who provide us with time. Mimi provides us with time and talent. She does the meetup list. We have Sir Daniel. He does meetup and noagendersmeetups.com. The page. Yeah, which is a lot of work. Yes. We have Void Zero managing stuff. We have tons of things. We have people doing so much work posting memes on No Agenda Social. Thank you for that value. That's really highly appreciated.

2:40:27 And of course, I like it. I'm sure you do. You don't. Nope, no, I've given up. I'm done. I'm not even gonna, I'm not even liking or boosting anybody anymore. I'm not even looking. You never have in the past. I have, oh, I boosted a lot. Not anymore. I'm done. I know because the minute I say something, the minute I troll, hey man, that's not cool, man. He was a knight. Just block him. Oh, and so I blocked this one guy and here's what he did. So he took the picture of me holding up the PhD and then he put an Israeli flag on it and it says, no agendas new sponsor.

2:41:11 I'm like... So I blocked him, like you always tell me to do. Yes, you should. And then he's like reaching out to me through back channels, you know, other places. Screw him, if he's gonna be that kind of a douchebag. He says, hey man, you couldn't take the ribbing. That's not ribbing, that's insulting. Yes, there's been other insulting, very insulting. There's a couple of guys on there that are just nothing more than dweeb insulting types. Clip Custodian, it wasn't you. Clip Custodian. Clip Custodian's like, I'm sorry.

2:41:48 Anyway, so artists. Now the artists, the ones who've been around know what we like and they really try very hard. It's a competition, but it's also there's professional artists. We had Roger Roundy guy was top notch. He got a gig and they left us. I mean, that's how important these artists are. He won once and then that was the end. He was winning. He was winning and he even thanked us without Because he went to make political illustrations. He learned on the job doing it for us for free. And then once he got a gig, he said, screw those guys. They're not working for free. And we still love him. That's okay.

2:42:32 He's on these very active on the no agenda social yeah, not constantly boosting stuff And he's taking pictures of himself at meetups. He's taking pictures of himself with his girlfriend. He's taking her wife I don't know if they're not there and he's taking pictures of himself here and there yeah, well. I'm glad I'm glad he's able to do that So we of course want to thank the artist who brought us the artwork for the previous episode, 1609. We titled that one Pain Sponge, one of our snappier titles. And Petrex brought us the obvious AI-generated art, but that was okay because it was of an AI-generated monster eating the world. And it was okay. I'd say it was a 7.5 on a scale of 1 to 10, but there really wasn't anything else. We looked at a number of things.

2:43:22 Trying to bring up pieces didn't make any sense. Yeah, I'm troubled the AI artists is sometimes doesn't make any sense It just looks good and people like oh it looks good. Therefore. They'll be Darren Darren's got a piece It was generated by a ice pretty obviously the girl holding a sign say no to genocide I can barely read this jet design. Yeah, and he couldn't make the sign any bigger. There's a lot of there's also a lot of stuff that came in late and Well, those pieces at the top came in late, but that wasn't gonna change anything. No, it wasn't. What the hell was that all about? Yeah, so now Darren's Genocide Joe was, yeah, cute girl, cute little cartoon girl, say no to Genocide Joe, but yeah, he just throws it into Dali and says make it. We discussed for a while the Nestworks Firestorm, which was kind of cool, the gas mask, fireman's helmet.

2:44:18 with X, we discussed that one, but then... A couple of things, well I'll tell you a couple of things we discussed about. One, I said, hey, it's a good one, I picked it. I said, let's get this because it'll pop. And then you noticed that, because it's on a white background, and then you said, no it's not. It's on a green background, and you said green or something. No, I said pink. Okay, it's on a pink background, and as soon as you said that, I saw, yeah, it's on a pink background, it's not gonna pop that much. So I don't know why he did that why put it on a background that has some off-color He could have been a contender Ness works, and you also did but you didn't like the curry Dvorak on the axe heads No, I said no. I didn't know on the the AI monster. I didn't like the curry Dvorak I thought it was just a throwaway. There was no it was no love put into our names, and there wasn't look at it Which one on the on the part on the piece that won? Oh?

2:45:12 Creative work at the bottom. Yeah, it's not this not there's no love. It's fine. That's what you said Colorblindness came into play that is a color blindness color um and there was a lot of Elon stuff, which what doesn't really funny the tick-tock with babies No, it was there's a AI piece at the bottom by capitalist agenda. I That is so over-the-top AI. It's a cute kind of piece, but come on, people. I think we're doomed. We're not going to get anything that's actually done with... This is the problem with AI. People get lazy. The throw's like, make a thing with the guy with the television, put in a turkey, put in this letter and go. Yeah, pretty much it. Yeah.

2:46:03 Yeah, you can have, you know, it's fun because I have my own AI here. Then you can have a lot of fun with Michelle Obama if you ask the art to do that. If you ask the AI to do certain things posted on the Nojan social. No, I delete him right away. It's so horrible. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad. Well, anyway, thank you very much. Pet Rex for and Petrax has won a couple of times, I think. Pet Rex had a couple of wins in the past. Yeah, yeah, no he's got a couple of pieces. Yeah, I think twice before he's won. He's got a style, he's got a nice style. And wasn't Pet Rex Dutch? Did we figure that out? Yes, no, yeah he's Dutch. We did figure that out. Yeah, Pet Rex is currently- We have a lot of Dutch artists for some reason. Hey, you know what they're good at? Art. Spekkoek. They make the best- Nobody in Holland makes it. They make the best spekkoek in the world.

2:47:01 Thank you very much, Pet Rex. We really appreciate that and thank you for that. Very valuable. It's important, particularly when we spread the good news of a new episode. People like, they just like, it's fun. It's fun to, these are memes you can use that I approve of. That's how you should look at it. Now let us thank the people who brought us the final tea of the three teas, the treasure. A good showing today. Short notes, highly appreciated. It's really, I mean, the amount of people who came in. Of course, you let everybody know the PhD... Wrapping. I'm sorry?

2:47:39 It's wrapping. It's wrapping, yes. The PhD program is ending and I mean that'll be it. It's the 333rd day of the year which is this coming Wednesday and then it's over. So a lot of people got in on that and we had yet again near the end of the year, it's always beautiful, another show number donation. This makes two in a row. The Duke of Central Florida from Winter Park came in with 1610. Mind-boggling. We haven't had show numbers donations in a long time. Also, we get two in a row. He says show number donation from the Duke of Central Florida the Fibonacci Duke. There you go Thanks, but he goes thanks for working on Thanksgiving Day so we can enjoy your deconstruction Thanks for the opportunity to gain a PhD. No jingles. No karma. Love that. Thank you so much Duke of Central, Florida

2:48:30 An interesting PhD came in later, we'll have to discuss. Jason Adams is next on this list, a Smyrna Georgia, 111133, and he sent, oh, he sent a note to follow, I didn't get the note, and Jay didn't get the note, so it'll be read as a make good, I guess. I don't see a note either, so I guess we didn't get it. I got another note. Rodney Lilliebridge in Lewiston. 1069.69, interesting, PhD donation for Rodney J. Lilliebridge, aka Sir J. Mo, Black Baron of North Idaho. And that's it. These are good. Thank you. So that contrasts with Robert Knudsen, who wrote quite the typewritten note to Idahoians, to Idaho's. Idaho's!

2:49:25 1033 and he sent a physical note in with a check. My name is Rob Knutson. Knutson, okay it's Knutson. So his name is Rob Knutson. I blew it. Recently ran for city council in my town of Coeur d'Alene. Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Before becoming a knight or getting a PhD in media deconstruction as a first time candidate, I received 1,033 votes. Almost 10% of the vote but failed to make voters giddy enough to win me a seat. May my failed candidacy serve as a warning to all the kids out there who desire an elected office. Please get knighted first and or by a PhD before running for office. What a canard! You are a shoo-in for mayor.

2:50:15 So he enclosed 1033 his total vote count. Please night me sir Bobby the J the K Norwegian night of the cordelay of Coeur d'Alene we requested jingle consists of I was I was really blotto With an f-35 scream enhancement at the roundtable may I request a random can of plain seltzer water from John's secret stash not so secret Robert Knutson. Okay, the only thing I didn't have do we have any of John's seltzer water? Is it just the plain? So I think is that we drink in the plane? Yeah plane. So just anybody's seltzer water ink, okay plane Sir water. Okay. And yes, I think I do have this request that you have I was really blotto I Never heard that before I remember it

2:51:11 Karma. That's me from Swamp Thing. Oh. It was the line that I argued with the producer and writer over. Said, no one says blotto in rock and roll. No one says blotto anywhere. And he's a, I think he's a knight, the writer. But we still disagree. Brian Telekey, Lincoln, Nebraska. 1,033 cents. ITM, I could not resist this opportunity to become Dr. Otter of the freshwater with his PhD. That's a good one. As a trucker, I love listening to the show while driving. It gets me around 200 miles down the road. Oh, there you go. See, we're good. We're good for something. We're good for 200 miles.

2:52:00 Sharpton medley chemtrails little gory a and the f-22 guys scream for relationship karma I'll do the f-35 guy if you don't mind. He says thanks for all you do This is the medley version He's getting lunch at Chipotle. The tortise in the race. Kim Kardashian, Sigournoy Weaver, R-E-S-P-I-C-T. They're all jitty. R-E-S-P-I-C-T. There's no real You've got karma

2:53:04 Ernest Flores in Albuquerque, New Mexico. $1,000 and one penny. Binary 33. Did you know that? 1,001? I do know. Binary 33. I didn't know that. I didn't know it. I'll check it. Thank you for all you do. Another great note. Thank you for all you do. Couldn't resist the PhD and knighthood combo. Well, that was easy. That was easy. Anonymous. with 1,000 ITM Tech TV donation. Now were you on Tech TV? Yeah, of course. Silicon Spin was Tech TV. Oh, I didn't realize that was Tech TV. Was that the only thing you did on Tech TV?

2:53:48 I also ended up doing, long story, but I ended up doing Big Thinkers for a couple years. Oh, Big Thinkers, oh. And I got to meet a lot of interesting people. I bet, who were some of the, give me one interesting person, one big thinker you met. The guy who invented the cell phone was on that show. What's his name? Here's my favorite one, he wasn't on the show I did, but he was on Stan Lee. Stan Lee was on the show, I talked to him for a while. Jay Chiat, I did have him on the show. Everybody was interesting. Here's the kicker, I just slapped myself in the head when I think of this. Stan Lee is on the show. Explain who Stan Lee is. Stan Lee is the guy that invented all the Marvel comics, comic characters. Either that or DC, one of the two. He's Marvel, I think. People in the showroom know for sure. But Stan Lee's very famous.

2:54:41 And so he's on the show and he's just a nice guy. He's kind of a goofball actually. And where was I? He's there. Why didn't I buy a handful, like maybe five or 10 comic books and have him sign them? Those comic books, a signed Stan Lee comic book is worth one to $2,000. So I'm just basically let you like $20,000 walk out the door. That's like not buying Bitcoin. At 25 cents. At 25 cents, yes. So you were basically the OG Joe Rogan.

2:55:19 You were doing the Joe Rogan show before? Joe Rogan's got a longer show, he's a different interview style. No, I don't think so. And we move on back to Anonymous. Thanks for working through the holidays. You're welcome. We do it with great pleasure. Jingles. I've got information, man, and fear is freedom. I'd like to be knighted Sir Geese Mill of the Four Corners Demilitarized Zone. We shall make it so. I've got information, man. New shit has come to life. Cherelle Peterson comes in from Auburn, California. Pleasant Towns just north of Sacramento. One thousand dollars. Happy Thanksgiving, she writes. Thank you. Keep up the good work.

2:56:18 Jobs karma for everyone Dame name Dame real real tastic real tastic of the Sierra foothills Okay. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Another short note. Yes, they're all short and beautiful. Karma. Amy McDaniel, Black Diamond, Washington, $1,000. John and Adam, thanks so much for the entertaining education you provide each week. I look forward to each show and am not disappointed. Thanks, Amy McDaniel. Thank you, Amy. Timothy McKay in Battle Creek, Michigan. Battle Creek.

2:56:57 Kellogg's gentlemen, thank you for your courage and kudos for working the holiday. Please accept this reciprocation of my treasure for your talent Wow You may anoint me as sir cord wainer of your I'd like grass-fed rib eyes and rye Sazerac's Because I'm a big fan of the news. QQ. Ah, we know QQ. QQ, Key West, Florida. Thousand. If I still qualify for the PhD, then good. If not, you still deserve this donation for all the good things you do to change the world. Wow. That's a pretty big kudos, man. I don't know if we change it. Well, if you think so. Yeah, we change our underwear is about it.

2:57:52 And I'm not even sure about him. Kevin Stephenson, Muscle Shores, Alabama. Yes, Shoals. In the morning and happy Thanksgiving, he writes, I've enjoyed and learned a lot from John's articles in PC Magazine back in the day. Then I found this podcast and now I'm enjoying Adams just as much. YouTube brightened my week. I was in K-12 education in Alabama as a CTO for over 26 years and loved it, but when COVID and online forced learning forced us to give every child a Chromebook

2:58:30 and then support them and the teachers at home day and night. Essentially, my health took a downturn. I took the early retirement option and left. Best move I've made. And now I work for a private company selling educational websites. Also found out at least seven of my peers across the state that I know of had health health issues at the time due to the added stress of incredible amounts of federal funding for hardware software but regulations that couldn't be spent on additional salaries. I remember this. Since CTOs are not hourly workers like the technicians, we took the brunt of it and many left. We talked about this. We talked about tech guys going no, we can't do this. You just, politicians are like yeah, get more Chromebooks, it's good, learn at home.

2:59:17 And they're like, we need, you can't support all this stuff. And teachers were getting angry at them. This sucks, it's not working, fix it! Yeah, those poor guys. Yeah. Yeah, you get in the middle, you tech guy. That was bad. Since I have more change in my pocketbook now, in my pocket now, I no longer want to be a douchebag, so please de-douche me. You've been de-douched. You should make me an Instant Item No Agenda Scholar. For my night name, I'd like to be Sir TRS-80. I'll take Blantons and carrot cake at the round table, and as for jingles, I'd love John Spooky Donate

2:59:54 and R2D2 karma keep up the great work Kevin and muscle shoals Alabama Alabama you've got donate donate karma you've got karma we got sir Moscovitz from Silver Spring Maryland with a thousand no notes so we'll give him a double up karma as he deserves you've got I'll take the next one. You can take the long one. No, it's not that long, but okay. It's shorter. Matthew Gebhardt, 1000. After all these years, crown you graduating with my PhD. Oh, this is the one. Oh no, it's not the one. The learning never stops. Next time enrolling at the NOA Agenda Institute of Theoretical and Applied Podcasting.

3:00:52 Well you can help us open it because we make a positive difference in the world. Keep up the great work, thank you. Lee North, a thousand, my wife thinks I'm crazy but I couldn't pass up the chance for a PhD and a credit for the Thanksgiving Day special. I guess my new title should be Baron Sir Dr. Goon. Thank you for your courage as always. Jobs jobs jobs and R2D2 karma. Lee North, Kansas City. Kilo Fox. Zero Bravo Echo Hotel. 73's. Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie. Your wife thinks you're crazy for donating and getting a PhD but not for being a ham?

3:01:31 Dude, let's be honest about it. Well, I'm glad she didn't protest too much. She's obviously a fantastic woman. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. Evgeny Damaskini or Evgeny Damaskine in Boston, Massachusetts. I think this is the first Evgeny that we've ever had. It's a great name. $1,000 and he says I want my framed PhD where you're gonna get your PhD but it's not a frame to get a cell yourself It's very carefully packed. So don't worry. Yeah, it comes in in an official Envelope like a fold-open thing just like well, it is a real PhD. It's indistinguishable from one from an institution

3:02:25 Like an asylum. Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler. Ah, Whistler, BC. I've been to Whistler. Okay, this is the questionable... this is what I have to discuss. This is very questionable. I will read the note and then we shall discuss. 1,000 Canadian enclosed for a cut-rate PhD. We celebrated Thanksgiving on October, on October, a harvest celebration up here. I will stay with Baron title as it has a nice ring. Jobs, Karma, Please. Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler. Now we didn't necessarily say that you could get a cut-rate PhD, now did we? No, no, but we didn't say you couldn't. Nah, there's no evidence we didn't say we couldn't.

3:03:08 So I was very torn when I saw this $733 donation for the cut-rate PhD. Because the Canadians, we've always given them full credit for their Canadian business. And Australians. And New Zealanders. And Australians, the two of them. And Zealanders, if anyone listens. And soon Argentinians. I don't, that's, we won't get too many listeners down there. So I don't know what, I mean, yeah, I can't not give it to him, but is it, we only have one week left. Is any other Canadians want to come in for 733? Boy, I mean, if anyone, if anyone argues with this, I think it's just go kick a Canadian in the shins, but I think we should do it.

3:03:51 Yeah, because we do it. You're right. There's only likely there's only one more week left in the promotion so that's the end of it. All right. Well here's your jobs, Karma, and congratulations on your well-deserved PhD. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You thought. Karma. Zachary Michael in also in Canada. 730 dot 3 which I probably adds up to the right number to thank for everything you do I thought of a few things to say but knowing how much you to adore long notes I will refrain from doing so and deprive you of such gratification he goes on and on however in that handsome millennial gals get

3:04:33 However, as a handsome millennial, gals get at me. Please dummy Sir Cal 1984 and look forward to my PhD as second Canadian in the same show. That comes up with basically the same calculation. How could anyone pass up a chance to get two birds stoned at once? For jingles, possibly play the medley, Just Take the Vaccine at the end of the show. Thanks again, Sir CA Canada. So I looked for this. I couldn't find a medley. First of all, medley maybe means a supercut. I could not find a Just Take the Vaccine. I mean, there's not a supercut of Just Take the Vaccine.

3:05:09 I don't remember it either. No, so I could have heard it someplace else. But we do have a good end of show mix for you and we appreciate your support. Anonymous in Chicago, Illinois, 34567, very much appreciate having something good to listen to, says Anonymous. A couple of submissions for you. I had a friend in college who exclaimed, yipper skipper, for any answers in the affirmative, sometimes shortening to yippers. And for the weight loss drug game, Dithin... Dianthin or something thereabouts. Hmm. A very sincere thank you for your courage, P.S. It appears... I get it. What? Dithin. Oh, di... Got it. P.S. It appears Ice Age Farmer has gone silent. Adam's mention reminded me about him. Nothing online for at least a year. Hmm. I hope he's okay. I don't know who it is.

3:06:02 Ice Age Farmer, yeah. We played the clip of him predicting that there'd be food shortages. And I play it every year. Oh, the food shortage guy. And I play it every year. He probably starved to death. So, yeah, see, thanks for working on Thanksgiving and we appreciate that. Yeah, we're good with that, man. Now we go with Aaron Shaw in Prairieville, Louisiana, 333.33, switcheroo. I appreciate you all so much, especially since you all work on important holidays like this one. This donation is for my smoking hot husband, Sir Jew Claw. All right, sir. Towards upping his peerage in the future. I don't think I need any jingles. We barely need a jobs karma for something I'm trying to accomplish with my business in the near future. Got to get my mom out of my house. Karma. Oh, well, I know there isn't one of those since her house caught fire 2.5 months ago and she's been living with a sense. Oh no. Finding a new house in this market is not proving to be very easy. And lastly, I'd like to mention the upcoming no a no a

3:07:06 No agenda meetup in Southern Louisiana that we're hosting on Friday December 1st That'll get your mom out of the house bring a bunch of no agenda people in Yeah, I think that's I should call out a few douchebags I know at the upcoming meetup, but I'll keep them anonymous for now Thanks, Aaron shard a merry moon and because of that we'll give you a TPP jobs karma jobs jobs jobs Job, job, job, job, job. You've got karma. Let us know if it worked. Aaron Brzezinski in Etowah, Tennessee, 333.33. If you're in El Paso area, stop by Downrange Brewery. See Gabe and his wife for the best beer and the best people in town. John and Adam, thank you for the greatest podcast in the universe. Happy Thanksgiving.

3:07:57 Thank you. Sir Ronald Gardner in San Diego, California, three three three dot three three is also sure wrong. Thirty three. ITM gents wanted to express our gratitude and thanks for the work you do to make no agenda the best podcast in the universe, especially during the holidays where you continue to work and we slack off. Thank you ever so much. This donation will make me a Viscount. Please change my title to Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters. We would like some house-selling moving karma as we try to escape from the Socialist Republic of California. Happy Thanksgiving and many blessings to you and your families and to all the knights and dames out there. Stay safe. Cheers, Sir Wrong33. You've got karma.

3:08:47 And coming in from Amsterdam, Sir Pete, Sir Pete, Sir Pete, Pete, Pete, Pete, 222.22, Rove Ducks, ITM Sir Pete here. I love the show even better lately. He's been around for a long time. Thank you. Here's a sack of ducks in return. Could you grace my fellow producers and myself with some jobs karma? Love is lit. And he says, oh, he wants a jingle request. He has a healthy Diet, which I think is the healthy news diet, F35 goat karma. So we'll combine that with your jobs requests. If you wake up with the blues, trying to fill your day with news, there's one thing you must remember, no agenda in the morning. For a healthy balanced news diet, try noagendashow.com. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

3:09:40 Karma. Paul Krosulik in Binghamton, New York. 222.22, another row of ducks. Paul from Binghamton, New York. Binghamton. I always say Binghamton, but it's Binghamton. No jingles, no karma. Thank you. And then we have, oh yes, one of these. It's always the jokers. Sean in Stafford, Virginia, 212.80. Hey, JNA, after three plus years of listening, glad to no longer be a douchebag. Here's my 212.80. My most recent pay raise brought me to 43.33.

3:10:24 I can't deny the podfather anymore after that number came my way. Thanks for working Thanksgiving. Really it means a lot to get quality content on the holiday. I will be listening for the fat lady to sing at 2 p.m. while making, while milking my, milking my holiday double time. And has a very known sequence. Trump I'm gonna come. Kamala don't come. Joe whole load. And a Howard Dean scream. I'm gonna come. Do not come. I'm gonna give you the whole load today. There you go. Never heard that one. Thank you. Eric Adler in Punta Gorda, Florida thought it was time to donate when I was giving a frequency change to Jax at 133.33. He's a pilot. Well, at 33,000 feet. He's a pilot. Thanks, Mofos. That's pretty cool. If that really is possible, there's 133.3 frequency.

3:11:21 For Jacksonville. And I'll finish this up with Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado. Jobs karma for a resume search that gets results go to or for a resume actually that gets results go to image makers Inc comm for all your executive resume and job search needs That's image makers Inc. I am K with a K comm or just find Linda Lou Patkin on the producer list her street continues So thankful for you guys her streak and now is amazing. I Yeah, I know she's a stare down. So I want to say that Eric Arsjo in Stockholm, Sweden that came in at $199.99 is really a

3:12:06 $200 donation and that happens to be just exchange rates. Oh, okay. So he is definitely on the list for he's got no note associate producer Recognize him and let's give him a double up karma. No Wow Karma Well, we of course thank our executive and associate executive producers and congratulate our PhDs, our new PhDs. We'll actually have a little ceremony for you in a moment. This is ending, that'll end Sunday will be the last time, no Wednesday, the 333rd day of the year. Last day you can pick that up. Thank you so much. This makes me feel good about working on the holiday.

3:12:46 I hope it makes you feel good. The value has been exchanged. It is highly appreciated. We have a lot more people to thank who supported us today. John's going to take us through the 50s. I will, starting with Patricia Lewis in Merced, California. 16667. She actually sent a little note in. I think she sent the card. Yeah, she sent a card. She says, thanks, John and Adam. She's a cute card. She got good. You know what? She looks it looks like Tina's handwriting. Yeah, Tina's is a little less balloony. Anonymous in Calgary, she came up to 16667. Anonymous in Calgary, Alberta 120. Want some baby making karma, we'll give you that at the end. Don Malley in Fremont, California 113. Ian Field 100. Rachel Pilikowski, no amount. She's in Portage, Wisconsin. She says, don't say the amount. So we won't.

3:13:48 But it's funny where it's located on the list. And she wants to be deduced. You've been deduced. William Gerken in Centennial, Colorado. Happy Thanksgiving. Joseph Salino in East Syracuse, New York. 100. Stephen Rivas in Roland Heights, California. 100. Dame Twin Mominator in Cumming, Georgia, 100. Another happy Thanksgiving. Brian Lillard in Prosper, Texas, 8888. Jack Schofield, or Field, in Yankee Town, Florida. Looks like he's gonna be a knight, and I think this is a note you have to read because of it. Yes, because having completed 20 monthly payments for knighthood, let's do a switcheroo for my lovely wife Susie.

3:14:41 Who has managed to take 51 trips around the sun with me? Yes, we had a few fights. 51 years together! Oh wow! Please name her Dame Suzie Boot Scooter of the Nature Coast. What is that name all about? No jingles, no karma, we have been blessed. No special fare, just half portions at the round table. And please deduce... You've been deduced. I will renew and continue to fill my contract of monthly donations and until I do so, will remain a douche as keeping a promise and fulfilling a contract is very important. Love them boobs.

3:15:17 P.S. Suzy's birthday is 11-24, please put on the birthday list, she's on there. Jack Schofield, John, it's phonetically Schofield. You got it. Love you guys. ITM, love you too. And we'll look forward to welcoming Suzy. Jason Maurer in Vancouver, Washington, 8008. And so is Jack's, by the way, it's 8008. And then we get to Kevin McLaughlin, our Archduke of Luna, lover of American boobs, in Concord, North Carolina, with 8008 with a commentary. Did you know boobs are proof men can focus on two things at once? That's a good one. I like that one. That's a good observation. Yeah, it's observation. It's just Sir Lineman in Illinois. 8008. Thanks for working on the holiday. Joseph Weish in Miami, California is what it says. Does it say on here? No, Miami, Florida.

3:16:13 It was misinterpreted. Miami, Florida, 7777. Gregory Kierdack in Padova, Italy. Hey, Padua! Hey! Gregory! And he says, thank you, happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Kate Smith in Leonardtown, Maryland, 7272. Sir Rick in Arlington. He's actually now he's Baron Rick, I think. in Arlington Washington, 6996. We have to now get it in our minds that it's Barron. Barron Rick. Josh Magnuson in Kyle, Texas, 6969. He was at the Austin meetup. Meetup donation. Sir, Dr. Sir becoming heroic in Cherville, Indiana.

3:16:59 6 8 8 6 which he calls jiggly boobs Scott right to look at that and figure that out Scott Riley in Meridian, Idaho 66 Cameron Ling in North Branch, Minnesota, and that's 60 10 There's Kevin McLaughlin again with 6006 a small boobs Ladies, are you living your? breast life Oh, he's inserted a pun into it. Yes. Hey, he's still there. We love you. Yeah, it's astonishing. Tim Freeman in Placerville, California, 6006. Another aficionado. Matthew Elwhart in Weatherford, Texas, 6006. Ryan Smith in Raleigh, North Carolina, 6006. Matthew Martin, Como, New South Wales, Australia, 60.

3:17:53 Sir Not Jake in Thompson, Connecticut 5678 Sir Edward of the Henpecked in Omaha, Nebraska 5555 Paul Webb in Twickenham Middlesex, UK 5555 He says, Happy Thanksgiving, gents. Don't worry, everyone in the UK is working today as well. Well, that's true. Stephen, stand there, get ready for Black Friday. Stephen Smith in Maynardville, Tennessee 5510 Baron Henry of the Outpost West and Rancho Palos Verdes, California 5242. Alan Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa 5042. Jordan Brown in Centerville, Ohio 5033 as we get into the 50s. Forrest Martin 5005. Andrew Benz in Missouri 5005. And now we got the $50 donors and we'll wrap this thing up.

3:18:50 Starting with Robert Case in Mill Spring, North Carolina, Matt Illingworth in Montclair, New Jersey, Julian Robbins in Aptos, California, Matthias Baczynski in Hawthorne, California, Nicholas Rudowicz in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, Daniel Laboy in Bath, Michigan, Michael Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Tatiana Prince in Hollywood, Florida. Sir Patrick Maycomb in New York City. Robert Hanna in Poway, California.

3:19:26 Kate Haskell, there's a lot of them today. Kate Haskell in San Rafael, California. David Perdue in Snow Hill, North Carolina. Michael Romano in Sebastopol. Gaucho Woodworking, check him out, in Redondo Beach, California. Greg Huff in Austin, Texas. Alexa Delgado in another Aptos dweller. Ronald Cedario in Riverview, Florida. Carrie Meeks in Franklin, Tennessee. Rita Harrington in Sparks, Nevada. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Alexis Robles in Chula Vista. I'm the two uncles he never had, she never had. Devin O'Connell in Boylston, Massachusetts. James Farrell in Haverhill, Massachusetts.

3:20:19 And last on the list is Michael Stadham, and he's from parts of no one on this list. So we want to thank these a lot of people today for helping us out on show 1610, making it a possibility. Thank you all. Making it a winner. Yes. Thank you all so much. And thank you to those of you who donated under $50. We do not mention those names to make sure they're anonymous. If people want to be anonymous, $49.99 works perfectly for us and of course if you're on one of those many sustaining donations which you can make up your own number a lot of people like 333 a lot of people like 33 some like 12 12 11 11 you can find a whole bunch more at vorac.org

3:21:00 Or at noagendadonations.com. Thank you for making our overtime here very valuable to us. We hope you appreciated it as well. And we look forward to handing out those PhDs, but also The titles of executive producer and associate executive producer for the people we mentioned earlier, they're real. You can put them on your LinkedIn, you can put them on your resume, and of course, they are completely valid and you can open up an IMDB profile account with them. Thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe, episode 1610. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

3:21:48 Order! Shut up, slave! Shut up, slave! It's your birthday, birthday! I'm so glad you're here! Oddly enough, the birthday list is pretty short. We have David Ketka turns 45, well, turned 45 on November 15th. Jack Schofield wishes his wife Susie a happy birthday. Turns 51 on November 24th. Well, gee, that is tomorrow. And Jordan Brown wishes his son, Ren Brown, a happy birthday. He'll be turning one year old tomorrow. And Patricia Lewis wishes her daughter, Emily Mitchell, a happy birthday for the 29th. We say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Title change is coming, baby.

3:22:37 We have two title changes. Sir Ronald Gardner, Baron of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters becomes Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters and Sir Goon becomes Baron Sir Dr. Goon and we congratulate both of you and we'd like to welcome our fresh PhD candidates up here at the dais. Come on up here. Duke of Central Florida, Jason Adams, Rodney Lillibridge, Robert Knudsen, Brian Talicki, Ernest Flores, Anonymous, Sherrell Patterson, Amy McDaniel, Timothy McKay, QQ, Kevin Stevenson, Sir Moskovitz, Matthew Gephardt, Lee North, Evgeny Damaskin, sorry, Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler, and Zachary Michael.

3:23:31 Welcome new NOA Agenda MD, PhD to the Society of Learned Persons. The path to this high academic honor for some of you has been a long one and costly one. Some of the price has been paid for by your hard-earned wisdom and some in other ways. But today is not the end. No, it is only a beginning. From this point forward, go forth and spread the NOA Agenda word far and wide. We will not be silenced. We will not be deterred. The truth is out there. Now go and find it! You always laugh at me. It's actually getting a little better because you're so dramatic. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Hey, we also have some dames and knights. It's a good day here at the OK Corral. Bring out that sword. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

3:24:19 Cheryl Patterson, Suzy, Brian Talachy, Anonymous, Timothy McKay, Kevin Stevenson, Zachary Michael and Robert Knutson. Please join us here on the podium. You're all now official dames and knights of the Noah Jenner Roundtable. I'm very proud to pronounce K.V. as Dame Realistic of the Sierra Foothills, Dame Suzie Boot Scooter of the Nature Coast, Sir Dr. Otter of the Freshwater, Sir Geese Mill of the Four Corners Demilitarized Zone, Sir Cordwainer of Yore, Sir TRS-80, Sir Ka1984, and Sir Bobby J. the K. For you we've got hookers and blow, rent poison, Chardonnay, along with, um, plain seltzer water, grass-fed rib-eyes and rice, Sazeracs, Blantons and carrot cake, and of course,

3:25:02 You've got the mutton and meat. Whoo, man. What a lot of activity we have here today. Please go to noagendarings.com and give us your ring size and address where we can send it. PhDs also go to noagenderings.com. You'll see in the menu that you can fill out the official name you'd like on your listed on your PhD will be sent to you and give us an address for that and the ring recipients. Obviously it comes with the wax to seal your official correspondence and your official Certificate of Authenticity. Thank you all for becoming knights and dames of the No Agenda Roundtable! No Agenda! Meow!

3:25:40 Well amazingly there are a couple of meetups that are taking place this week tomorrow to be exact but first we have a report from the San Francisco meetup. Hello this is Lavish reporting to you live from the San Francisco meetup at Sunset Reservoir Brewing. This is sir Rick Calcitrink, Crazy Steve II and just letting you know We're bombing, bombing, and bombing again. This is Sir Paul, Lack Knight of the Bay Area, at my first meetup. This is Baroness Sarah Rupert, listener from episode one. I'm here with the original sucker baby, Violet. And this is her better half, Jonathan Rupert, first time meetup in the morning. Captain Luke here, thank you for your courage. This is dude named Ben named Ben, the Count of San Francisco, exploring all the beers San Francisco has to offer. Baroness Boyle here, drinking the beers.

3:26:31 In the morning! Yeah, I can tell you that in the morning sounded like it was done after some of the beers. Yeah. Here's what we have coming up tomorrow, No Agenda meetup wise. We have the Fort Worth Thanksgiving recovery meetup at 1 o'clock at Flip's Patio Grill. Weather permitting, it'll be outside Fort Worth, Texas. And also tomorrow, Flight of the No Agenda, you can never go wrong with beer and tacos meetup. That'll be at 3.33 p.m. Pacifico Tortilla Cantina in Torrance, California. Of course, Leo Bravo, he does all of those out there. And then there's this huge list that MimiNoahTooManyEggs.com sent. It's not that big.

3:27:08 And I'm just gonna mention a couple of them November 30th Tilburg the Netherlands we got Higginom Connecticut on December 2nd remember Indianapolis Indy hello Indy curry and the keeper are coming your way in December the 4th We got Houston on December the 9th Fredericksburg, Virginia on the 9th. We got Epping, New Hampshire on the 60 This is in December Charlotte, North Carolina December 21st. We've got them all the way up until Christmas and No Agenda Meetups, you deserve to go to one of these. It is the perfect companion to the No Agenda podcast where you get to meet people, hang out with them, feel good, communicate with human beings, no AI allowed, and of course, connection is protection. Go to noagendameetups.com. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy and always a party. ♪ Sometimes you wanna go to go hang out with all the nights and days.

3:27:57 Alright, I only have two ISOs so I'll just go first with my ISOs. Here's the first one. Yeah, okay. And here's the second one. Don't believe Joe Biden ever! I could not resist. That's a cutie. I could not resist. Okay, I've got four. Mm-hmm. All of them pretty decent BS BS is the top one bullshit. It's all bullshit Who is this? I recognize it bullshit. It's Trump Okay, yeah, then we have a classic by I don't like the ending but okay

3:28:52 And then we have the sound effect which I appreciated. Good ending for a Thanksgiving show and I think this is probably the best one which is thank God. Thank God it's over. Yeah, okay I'm with you on that one. I'm with you. That's a good one, we'll take that one. And now it's time for... Alright, I do have a good news. Of course you have a good news clip because it's your beat and you need to do it. Well, this is a unfortunately is a long clip and then it has a little follow kicker. A good news clip can never be, we can never get too much good news.

3:29:35 Well, this is good news for people with alopecia. And now to a story that is positively San Diego. A student at OLPR Lady of Peace in North Park has just won the highest Girl Scout honor called the Gold Award. And it's for her dedication, leadership and commitment to making a difference in her community. ABC 10 reporter Perla Shaheen joins us now live from North Park. Perla, you had a chance to talk to this young woman about her struggle with alopecia and how she's turning all of it into a positive. Well Jared, we met right here at the Academy of Our Lady of Peace. This is her high school and let me tell you sitting in front of a 17 year old who is so well spoken and so accomplished was extremely impressive and this tote bag that I'm carrying is just one part of her mission to spread awareness around alopecia. It's a disease that causes sudden and severe hair loss.

3:30:27 At 14 years old, Gabriella Cimino started losing large patches of hair on her scalp. Losing my hair, my thick hair. was scary. Semino had just started high school at Our Lady of Peace near University Heights. Doctors assumed the sudden balding was correlated to stress. It takes a toll on your mental health, your self confidence. You feel very alone. Finally, in May of 2021 Semino was diagnosed with alopecia areata. She turned to a girl scout troop for support, but no one understood the disease. Looking through the photos online,

3:31:02 and there were only pictures of middle-aged men with bald spots in their beards or their heads. I didn't really feel represented. This is the project alopecia tote bag. So Samino decided to use her Girl Scout Gold Award project as an opportunity to raise awareness of the disease. She started a health and wellness fair at her school, giving women the opportunity to donate their hair, and she created tote bags filled with educational pamphlets and books that students could pick up to learn more about alopecia. Each of those tote bags were put into every school in the Diocese of San Diego. Her work was so profound the Girl Scouts recognized her with the Gold Award. It's their highest honor and only a short list of members are awarded. Wow, I mean not just good news but good news with a tote bag.

3:31:50 And you have a second part to this good news a little second part When you had earned it it was definitely fulfillment a lot of accomplishment a lot of gratitude that I actually Experienced everything I turned a negative into a positive and I would never go back into In just a week, Gabby is going to start her senior year here at Our Lady of Peace and she plans to continue this work in college and then she will join the Gold Award ceremony for the Girl Scouts next year. Live in North Park, Perla Shaheen, ABC 10 News. Wow, well John I can only say you've outdone yourself. Good news and a tote bag. A good news story from JCD.

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3:35:56 We already had meatless Mondays in school. Then I brung vegan Fridays. And we going to keep trying to make all of y'all plant-based. But if y'all still got to eat meat, the FDA just approved live grown chicken for human consumption. And if y'all still not satisfied with that, we gonna make y'all eat crickets and cockroaches. Like I said, enjoy that roast while you can. Y'all gonna be eating rats. In all the history of respiratory borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks.

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