Beast Train

00:00 This is what broadcasting has become. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, September 24th, 2023. This is your award-winning Give On Asian Media Assassination Episode 1593. This is no agenda. We're all out of room and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where everybody notices that they steal material from us. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Uh-oh, do we have another theft report?

00:35 I got a three-part clip. Well, a three-part clip of them, of them, whoever them is, stealing. Sky News Australia. Sky News stealing from us. Please know that it gives me no great pleasure to report this, but this week the world got an up-close look at Joe Biden and it appears that he really is coming apart before our eyes. The occasion for this examination was the annual meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York, when the world's leaders gather at that great temple of uselessness that is the United Nations to put on a show to convince the rest of us they know what they're doing. So already they're stealing our set up.

01:23 Phoebe! Yes, I know, it's Sky News Australia. They're thieves. Yeah, I don't blame her for barking. Me neither. Good luck with that. And of course, leading the pack here was our man Joe Biden. Here he was addressing the leaders of the globe and I tell you what, I feel pretty bad for some of the folks who were doing simultaneous translations. Now, he has the evolve our institutions and drive creative new partnerships. Let me be clear. Certain principles are in the national system are sacrosanct. certain person but about your guess is as good as mine then there was this little meeting with the president of Brazil which played out more like a hearing aid commercial you might hear on talkback radio Wow and to say to present by can you hear me president Biden this is a historical moment for Brazil and for the US are you there president Biden it's me Margaret

02:18 Biden, of course, forgot to shake the Brazilian president's hand to his great delight. Not. There was this bizarre moment when, meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Joe Biden made the sign of the cross. I've checked it over 40 years, and our friendship goes a long way and can take us a long way. I'm sorry, let's just see that again. This is just, it's just, All too weird. I don't know. Faith and Begora note that it is also in this meeting that Bibi Netanyahu spoke off the cuff while Biden of course needed those note cards he always holds on to to speak because well we know what happens when he goes off script. Yeah you know except we do it in less time than these guys. No, this is the point. This is actually a well-structured shaggy dog story. The punchlines in clip three

03:16 But it's a shaggy dog story and you'll see how it's structured at the very end. Just go to two. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris, the woman whose mere existence as vice president makes the Secret Service's job so easy, well, she's just making friends everywhere she goes. You know, when we think about minority small business owners, and let's be more specific about Latino small business owners, yes, it is restaurants, but it is so much more. So, basically there, if you read between the lines, Kamala Harris thinks that Latinos just own taco stands or something, I guess. Which means that when she saw Jill Biden call Mexicans breakfast burritos at one time, she was just thinking, hold my beer. Now, at this point, I gotta wonder, is this whole shambling, stuttering, clumsy Biden routine, I mean...

04:07 It's declined, but maybe it's not. Could it be that there's something else entirely going on? Sometimes I think maybe he's actually putting on an act so people underestimate him or don't realize that he's the mastermind of this whole huge sort of behind-the-scenes operation. I don't know, maybe Joe Biden is playing it up like a cry for help. So the political pressure builds to allow him to gracefully retire rather than be forced to keep doing the job to please Jill or whomever it is. I don't know. I know where this is leading. I know where this is leading. And the funny thing, a classic Shaggy Dog story, and you do them once in a while on the show.

04:46 You do the Veeroff things, usually two or three of them, and the Kamala Harris materials got nothing to do with anything. But that's what you do when you do a shaggy dog to kind of keep the person interested by trying it by making semi-interesting little asides. But here's the part where they steal our material. Sometimes, just sometimes. This whole thing reminds me a little bit of the old New York City mobster, Vincent the Chinjaganti, who for years threw off the authorities by putting on a public act suggesting he was in fact just himself a harmless shuffling mentally ill wanderer, when in fact he was a criminal mastermind in charge of a whole criminal enterprise.

05:30 Former member of the Lucchese crime family, John Panisi, explained this a bit more here. Besides taking trips to psychiatric hospitals, Chin was known to wander around Greenwich Village unshaven, wearing pajamas, a bathrobe and house slippers, muttering gibberish. He'd talk to telephone poles and parking meters, and urinate at will in the street, and at times, randomly drop to his knees and cross himself. Randomly making the sign of the cross, you say? Nah, sure it's just a coincidence. You mean they stole from you is what you're saying. But I admire the structure of what they did, especially with the call back to the sign of the cross, which Giganti, I guess, supposedly did. Okay. I didn't know that. That part I'd never heard. Yeah. And Biden does it all the time. Dude.

06:28 That show, I mean he was right in for clip one. It's just all a show. I'm so tired of the show. This, it's all show. It's a show! And maybe, you know, maybe, maybe it will get better. Let me see. Maybe it will get better when this gets taken care of. Where am I here? Yeah. Yes. Oh my. The Hollywood Writers Union plans to meet with producers for a third straight day as a source tells NBC that they are inching toward a deal to end the nearly five month long strike. Four studio heads joined the talks for a second day yesterday staying late. It was a 10 hour marathon session. Progress was reported in areas such as the use of artificial intelligence and residuals. However, some significant issues still remain. So even if the writer strike is resolved, the studio still have to reach

07:22 a contract deal with the union actors and they walked out in mid-July. And no one noticed. And no one cared. No one. No one is complaining. Well, we had one complaint. We had one complaint from a producer, a dad who said, oh, I sure hope my son's one's a producer and one's an editor can go back to work. That's the only person who's complained about it. No one cares. Well, anyone involved would complain, but they don't listen to our show. But it's a tipping point. That's what this is. There's tipping points about, about tipping points everywhere. We're at peak Ukraine war. We're at peak M5M. Nobody cares.

08:04 And I think, I have to remind myself every single time, you know, we're heads down in this stuff. We're examining and over-examining and re-examining what the media is doing, what they're trying to say, what the elite messaging system is trying to communicate. But most people, you know, go to work, you know, drive the bus, drive the forklift, you know, whatever, drive the plane, fly the plane, go to the office, and then, you know, they may catch some news from time to time, and depending on what bubble they're in, they'll hear this or that, you know, something about this or something about that, you know, whatever the topic is. Okay, they're living their lives. So it takes, and we concluded this on the last episode, it takes a long time

08:52 before people start to figure stuff out. Like COVID, for instance. You know, I think people now, there's a number of people who are never going to reach, but people like, you know, I'm hearing more and more about how that stuff didn't work and now they're bringing it back. And yeah, I'm questioning. And I would say worldwide at this moment, everybody is slowly waking up and going, hold on a second. Who are all these people in our country? Every single country. I have story after story after story of asylum seekers and the issues that they've brought. And Europe, France, Lampedusa, Italy, Germany. The president says we've reached our limit of migrant intake. Maloney. No more. No more in Lampedusa. Sweden.

09:55 It's like we have gang warfare, we can't have this anymore. What is going on? France! French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin arrived in Rome on Monday to discuss the latest migration crisis with his Italian counterpart Matteo Piantadosi. A few days ago, both ministers expressed a common will to tighten EU border security, step up the fight against human traffickers and to send a joint address to the EU leadership on the matter. Because there's been so much politicization of this, that politicians need short fixes, they need slogans back to say we are on top of it. It doesn't work like that. We have to explain to public opinion that these are complex issues that require time, resources,

10:41 and different solutions. But that's the only way. Italy in particular has tightened measures including increasing the time for which suspects involved in human trafficking can be detained and investigated, as well as more opportunities to repatriate those who have no legal right to stay in the country. It is so bad in Europe, and especially in France, which has been going on for decades now. So bad they had to bring in the big guy Pope Francis has urged European states to welcome migrants and not to treat them as invaders He delivered his message ahead of a Saturday mass in the French city of Marseille The Pope used his visit to the Mediterranean port city to weigh into the migrant debate as governments react to a surge in new arrivals tens of thousands turned out for Pope Francis's mass a mess and

11:33 Worshippers packed the sports stadium for his sermon where the message proved political as well as spiritual. The pontiff used his two-day visit to advocate for refugees and migrants. He's urging European governments to welcome people arriving on their shores. Our metropolitan cities and many European countries like France where different cultures and religions coexist are a great challenge against the exasperations of individualism and the selfishness and closures that produce loneliness and suffering. Recent weeks have seen a sharp increase in migrant boats trying to cross the Mediterranean to reach Europe. The Pope's plea to welcome those arrivals goes against the policies of many EU governments.

12:22 But his message has resonated with worshippers in Marseille, a port city which has long been a meeting point for cultures and religions. The Guardian... just for the Pope to do that? It's like, oh, okay. The Pope's a communist. Well, yes, he's a Jesuit from Argentina. We knew... now we know why he's in there. This is his job now. Oh no, everything's okay. Love your neighbor. They were not really your neighbors, but okay. Now they are. They weren't your neighbors when they came in. I don't want to say anything bad about the Pope, but I mean, come on. You already have.

13:06 Well, the this is not this what what this guy is a part of the entire Marxist revolution that's taking place right before our eyes a redistribution of wealth by bringing in yes Every poor person in the world you can find yes. He changed the entire Catholic Church system in China everyone's gone underground many Catholics I communicate with like no we don't like this guy, but Serbian police step up migration patrols on the border with Hungary. The Guardian writes, migration could be dissolving force for the EU. There's always a bright side. The Home Office in the UK has determined, hey, you know, if we have migrants coming in, they have to have at minimum a three-star hotel.

14:01 So people are getting angry and this has been going on for over a decade. February 2011, David Cameron. This is a clip that we played back then. Who remembers him saying this? What I'm about to say is drawn from the British experience, but I believe there are general lessons for us all. In the UK, some young men find it hard to identify with the traditional Islam practiced at home by their parents, whose customs can seem staid when transplanted to modern, western countries. But these young men also find it hard to identify with Britain too, because we've allowed the weakening of our collective identity.

14:43 Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we've encouraged different cultures to live separate lives apart from each other and apart from the mainstream. We failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We've even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values. And this is Cameron over the UK. It might as well have been about Germany, about Sweden, about anywhere in France. So when a white person holds objectionable views, racist views, we rightly condemn them.

15:20 equally unacceptable. I mean I'm getting to those clips, that's next. ...views or practices come from someone who isn't white, we've been too cautious frankly, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them. So he, this is the speech where he winds up by saying multiculturalism has failed. That was in 2011 and now, now people, because no, who's gonna listen to that guy in 2011 if you're just doing your job and you got a family and you're trying to live life? Now people are starting to see it. And even Chicago, the big sanctuary city, is now seeing what's really going on. As the city looks to move migrants to tent cities, this new contract reveals Chicago has agreed to pay Guarda World $29 million. So this is for the winter

16:07 Base camp that we've been talking about the past couple of episodes and Without any vote or anything the mayor just yeah. Yeah, you guys come on it this garter world It's security company. They have no experience with Migrants, refugees, asylum seekers, human beings, all they do is different types of security, even showbiz personality security. This is not their wheelhouse. Even the mayor's point person for migrants on the city council says. I do recognize that an executive branch has the latitude to be agile in a moment of crisis, so I get my stuff and stuff moves quickly. But clearly we all have questions. The fine print of the deal reveals Garta will provide security, three meals a day, daily child care, seven days a week, van transport to school and doctor, as well as laundry. This is the same company, right? This is the same company that they hired.

17:03 to bus asylum seekers into Chicago. He notes GARDA is considered a preferred contractor by the state of Illinois. This is a contract that the state has started. They use them for various purposes and like busing migrants into the state. They're continuing to. And so we piggybacked on it. The city of Denver pulled out of a deal it had to build similar tent provisions for migrants, citing quote, concerns grew about the international company's history of alleged abuses and mistreatment, as well as its lack of experience in sheltering migrants. Alderman Ray Lopez questions why GARDA, the same company that has a Florida contract to send migrants here, now will make millions to care for them. The fact that we're spending $29 million on a tent city system that probably won't even function in sub-zero weather Chicago style is just amazing to me. The contract also displays photos of what the base camps will look like with promises when the temperature is 40 degrees it will be safe

18:04 70 degrees inside. John, you've lived in Chicago. Is 40 degrees a typical Chicago winter? No. Isn't it more like 20 degrees? More like zero. So if it's going to be 40 degrees and then inside will be 70, what's it going to be when it's zero? Also today, elected officials and activists reacted to the Biden administration to allow some migrants, those from Venezuela, here since July, to apply for work permits. They want that extended to more than just them. The city does estimate that of the 14,000 migrants sent here, 5,000 are from Venezuela. All right, so this is, I don't, this is very interesting. All of a sudden...

18:47 Oh, Venezuelans are okay, huh? How did this happen? Something switched and it has nothing to do with the cities. As you can even hear in this short clip from New York City Mayor Eric Adams, he doesn't even think that the president's coming to town won't even meet with him. President Biden is coming to the city. I am hoping that he understands this beautiful city that's the economic engine of the entire country. What? Is New York the economic engine of the entire country? I think if they're probably putting all their eggs in the financial basket, you can make the argument. Wall Street is being saddled with a $2 billion that we spent already, $5 billion we're going to spend in this fiscal crisis, $12 billion.

18:04 70 degrees inside. John, you've lived in Chicago. Is 40 degrees a typical Chicago winter? No. Isn't it more like 20 degrees? More like zero. So if it's going to be 40 degrees and then inside will be 70, what's it going to be when it's zero? Also today, elected officials and activists reacted to the Biden administration to allow some migrants, those from Venezuela, here since July, to apply for work permits. They want that extended to more than just them. The city does estimate that of the 14,000 migrants sent here, 5,000 are from Venezuela. All right, so this is, I don't, this is very interesting. All of a sudden...

18:47 Oh, Venezuelans are okay, huh? How did this happen? Something switched and it has nothing to do with the cities. As you can even hear in this short clip from New York City Mayor Eric Adams, he doesn't even think that the president's coming to town won't even meet with him. President Biden is coming to the city. I am hoping that he understands this beautiful city that's the economic engine of the entire country. What? Is New York the economic engine of the entire country? I think if they're probably putting all their eggs in the financial basket, you can make the argument. Wall Street is being saddled with a $2 billion that we spent already, $5 billion we're going to spend in this fiscal crisis, $12 billion.

19:34 in the next two budgetary cycles. New York don't deserve this, the asylum seekers don't deserve this, and so while he's here, I think that they should really reflect on New York City has done its part, and once we know what I'm going to do, we release a public schedule. I'm very public, everybody knows who I am. You guys know who I am all the time. We're going to be with the president or not. President, you know I'm here. I got the schedule, you can meet me anytime you want. No, he's been sidelined. HOKL is in charge of this operation and an op it is. Because New York City has had this pull, this 40-year-old right to shelter, people have come to New York City. And that's another area the mayor and I need to look at this together. And we are looking at it and trying to figure out a way that we can say,

20:23 This was intended to help homeless people stay off the streets, help families, but it was never intended to be an unlimited universal right and obligation to shelter the entire world. And that's the way it's been interpreted. So once that gets fixed, as well as this opportunity to get the Venezuelans to work, it should take a lot of pressure off, but we really need to stop. the incoming. We're still seeing about 3,000 a week. That's absolutely unsustainable. So I want to get back to HOKL in a moment but something happened. There was a switch. It must have happened months ago and word went out Venezuelans come on Come on in.

21:18 to the border. We were all just living off mustard because we didn't have any food. And later I had to sell my shoes so I could eat. But there is hope. The Biden administration has announced that they would allow hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans already in the United States to live and work legally. Washington is also pressuring Mexico to do more to stem the flow of immigration. On Tuesday, Mexico's main railway company temporarily suspended the Beast train because so many migrants are climbing aboard and getting hurt in the process. So this Beast train, reminiscent of trains in India, everybody hanging off of it. So somewhere something happened and this is a setup. This is a setup and New York is going to suffer, but New Yorkers are going to suffer.

22:08 Because of all of a sudden, they were telegraphing this when AOC was out there in front of the Roosevelt Hotel, which I mean, I love the reports about the Roosevelt Hotel. The luxury Roosevelt Hotel. Okay, no. If you've ever stayed in the Roosevelt Hotel, it's far from luxurious. But it's now Asylum Seeker Central. Notice the subtle switch from migrants to asylum seekers. And for some reason, we've decided half a million Venezuelans will be able to stay here and work here. And as AOC was saying, I guess a path to citizenship. Luckily, New York One got Hockel on the phone. This is the local New York television station.

22:57 And I have a couple of clips, maybe we can figure out what is going on here. It will impact nearly a half million asylum seekers. More than 40 percent of migrants who have come through the city since the immigration crisis began are Venezuelan. Mayor Adams responding tonight saying, I want to thank President Biden for hearing our entire coalition, including our hardworking congressional delegation, and taking this important step that will bring hope

23:43 to the thousands of Venezuelan asylum seekers currently in our care who will now be immediately eligible for temporary protected status. What happened in Venezuela that all of a sudden we had to let them in to come here and work? Do you have any idea? Well, it was the government that bankrupted the state, the Maduro regime, and communist government that drove all these people, the middle class of Venezuela, drove them into poverty. And I think we allowed him to come in because we tried to overturn that government, if you don't remember that, just a few years ago with that skinny guy who is useless. And so I think somewhere along the line, we told him to open the spigot, yeah, you can come in. That's the only thing I can think of. I think it's a huge mistake for the Democrats because

24:39 These people can easily become Republicans. Well, listen to these next few clips of Hochul as she talks about why this has to happen. Governor, thank you for your time tonight. We understand this new TPS status. A TPS status is typically for, see we have TPS status and it's always limited by the way. It's always a limitation. We had it for Haitians after the earthquake. I think that's just been extended, extended, extended. There's been other TPS, but this is a... I wish I referred to the TPS report. It's being made available. Yeah, that'd be great. To Venezuelan migrants and asylum seekers is a result of your conversation with President Biden yesterday. Can you give us some insight into that conversation?

25:31 Well, this is something that the president knows we have been asking for back from July of 2022 between myself and Mayor Adams and Majority Leader Schumer and Senator Gillibrand and our delegation. Okay, so all of the New Yorkers, Schumer, Gillibrand, they've been asking for this since 2022 to have Venezuelans come in and work here instead of, I don't know, New Yorkers? We've all been working so hard to persuade the White House that these individuals who came to this country and are living in New York City shelters don't have to. They came here to work. That's not what asylum is about. Asylum is for very specific circumstances, not work. That's a work

26:21 Migrant. That's not an asylum seeker. And if we can find a path, particularly for the Venezuelans, which is about 40% of the population in our shelters, if they can get temporary protective status that allows them to work after 30 days instead of after 180, we can start to clear out the shelters and give them the jobs. And it also serves the purpose of meeting this demand we have from Republicans in every corner of New York. What? Serving the purpose of Republican, the demands of Republicans?

26:58 Am I hearing this correct? That's what it sounded like, but it can't be it. We can start to clear out the shelters and give them the jobs. And it also serves the purpose of meeting this demand we have from Republicans in every corner of New York for more workers. So the Republicans in every corner of New York want more workers and the demands are met by bringing in Venezuelans who have temporary protective status? I don't know what... she tried to say something else. She couldn't possibly. That sentence makes zero sense. Well, I... The one thing, why is she... why did they do anything to the demands of any Republican? Well, I think she means... the only way I can interpret it, and we have another clip after this, is that she means Republicans who have, you know, need workers. I mean, forget... even if we take away the Republican part.

27:53 Aren't there New Yorkers who want to work? Aren't there people from other states who want to work and will move to New York to work? It's got to be just a minute. It's like a typo. This is an important step. I think the president for answering our call for help. This is an important first step. We have other requests still out there, no doubt about it, and we'll continue those conversations. But the state is committed to continue to work with Mayor Adams to ensure that these people are connected to jobs as soon as they legally can, they're able to work. So we're, I mean, this is what has to have happened.

28:32 When we did that foul up in Venezuela, where we tried to overturn Maduro. And bring in the Obama guy. Exactly, that's right. That's the guy who looked like Obama. That guy. He kind of acted like it. And we just pretended that he was the president for a while too. We just pretended like it. And we pretended he was the president. We had to have to get support. Our State Department had to do deals. We'll let all your prisoners... We'll back you up, don't worry, if anything bad happens you can come here we'll give you a job. Yeah, send your prisoners here. Open up the floodgates. Governor Hochul is excited.

29:28 How many New Yorkers have been saying this? Get them to work! We need Venezuelans to work! Get them to work! Our railing cried for such a long time in the business community. Kathy Wilde... See, there she says it's been a cry in the business community. ...cried for such a long time in the business community. Kathy Wilde and the partnership stepped up. Our friends in labor have been extremely helpful all across New York. Many people just want them to be able to work and fill a huge void we have right now. And the fact that thousands and thousands of jobs, 460,000 jobs are unfilled. Okay. One of my stepdaughters is in New York. It's not like... 460,000? Jobs are not for the just picking up everywhere. It's not true. I mean, waitress, even job serving food. They're not like a dime a dozen.

30:26 So I don't know about the rest of New York State, but 460,000 jobs are, we just, we can't wait to get people to work. They're dangling. They're dangling. Just like they're hanging there for the easy picking. Thousands and thousands of jobs, 460,000 jobs are unfilled in the state of New York right now. We have a low unemployment rate, one of the lowest in the nation. We have to have more workers and this is going to be a very, very positive development for our state's economy. for these individuals and our desire to start not opening more shelters but starting to shut down shelters. All right, so now we're going to start everyone, you're not Venezuelan, you're out. I'm going to kick you out. And where are you going to go? Well, Governor Hochul knows. And Governor, what's your message to the tens of thousands of asylum seekers and migrants who are not from Venezuela, who may be disappointed that they're not included? Go pound sand.

31:25 Well, this is something that we're just happy to even get this foot in the door. We have been asking for a reduction in time for all the work status for everyone. But I will- Wait, stop. What kind of a metaphor is it? We're just getting a foot in the- what foot in what door? How do you answer a question like that? What are you gonna do, here's the question, what are you gonna do about all these other people that aren't Venezuelans? Well this is getting a foot in the door. Foot in what door? What are you talking about? The foot in the door of replacing Americans with asylum seekers for work is the only logical explanation. Oh I'm sorry did I just give you the big replacement theory? Like Europe?

32:09 Well, this is something that we're just happy to even get this foot in the door. We have been asking for a reduction in time for all the work status for everyone. Oh, there it is. We want everybody who comes in seeking asylum to be given jobs. And we'll connect them with jobs. But I will not look a gift horse in the mouth. This is an important first step. And to others, we have to let people know that if you're thinking of coming to New York, we are truly out of space. The mayor has done this for- Wait, wait, stop. They're out of space, but they got plenty of jobs. I know. How do you have 400 and, you know, almost a half a million jobs and you're out of space?

32:56 So how are you supposed to... that makes zero sense what she just said. Well because... If you're coming to New York, we're out of space. So I'm a tourist, I can't find a hotel room? Probably not. No, you can't because the cheapest hotel, the Roosevelt, is filled with asylum seekers. Right there? I wouldn't stay there anyway. I have stayed there. It reeks of weed. And to others, we have to let people know that if you're thinking of coming to New York, we are truly out of space. The mayor has done an extraordinary job managing this crisis situation. We have been partners in helping him. But there must be other cities.

33:34 Oh, that's the solution. There must be other cities. Attention, attention, other cities. We've got some asylum seekers coming your way. That do not have upwards of 125,000 people or 60,000 in shelters that can handle the volume easier in other states. And that's what we want to encourage. Stop it again. Yeah, sure. I have to point something out. Somebody pointed one of our producers pointed this out. According to Abbott, You know, they're blaming him for shipping all these people all over the place. But according to... Now, this could be wrong, but I'm sure it's closer to right than not. According to him, he's been shipping people to Chicago and here and there all over the place. His total headcount supposedly to New York is just over 10,000. Yeah, I heard 16,000. Yeah.

34:26 Okay, let's say it's 16,000. They've got a hundred thousand there. Where did all these other ones, how did they get shipped there? Biden? Yes. Blame Abbott and the Texans. It's bullcrap. They got nothing, very little to do with it. 19 seconds left. This has a, there's a time limit on it. So the people that are here will be able to benefit, but those who come after have to understand that it's a different dynamic here in New York, that we have been generous. We have been humanitarian in our response. That's who we are. We're at capacity. So now it all comes home to roost and I'm, I'm, I'm very, I am truly sad for these people who get on the beast train.

35:28 and who've traveled here under great duress. And they're in gondolas. It looks like they're headed to Auschwitz. And in a way, they kind of are. I mean, you're going from the fat into the fire. I have seen this happen in Europe for over 25 years. Remember, I moved back in 1999. It's almost 25 years. The Netherlands was never an immigration country. We are an immigration country in America, but asylum seekers is different. You want to come into America? Please go through the process. So that has just been ignored and stimulated and

36:07 You know, the United Nations, the UMA, I think, United Nations Migrant Agency, they're the ones that are helping people, giving them debit cards to get... I mean, this is a globalist takeover. And finally, people are starting to see it. And it's here too in Little Frederick. Nobody's seeing it. Are you nuts? No, no. This is what I started my preamble by saying. I know what you said. Yes, people are seeing it now. The Texans have seen it for a long time. And finally people are going, hey, I mean here in Fredericksburg, but El Paso, in other border towns, no. This is going to explode. And I don't know about New York, but there's a number of, Chicago seems on edge now, on edge, and people are not gonna stand for it. And I mean, this has to end.

37:04 It will end one way or the other, but I don't think anyone in America is going to let it come to Swedish proportions. That's why we have guns, which is why they're trying to take them away, of course. But this, you know, COVID, all this other stuff, people can disagree, but now you're seeing across the political spectrum, and probably extreme left and extreme right are bonding together on these things. Like, uh-huh, hold on, we got to stop. Okay. You said you had some immigration stuff from the last episode. I thought you would have those. I thought you would be... Oh, I probably have to go back to the last episode list. Yeah, I didn't move them over.

37:50 What do I have? Yeah, you said you had something. So I was like... Yeah, I do. This is... Oh, yeah. Well, this is basically the cost of immigration hearings. You can look it up as cost of immigration hearings, C-O-S-T. Okay. Yes, I have that. And I'm not spelling because he can't... because Adam can't spell. It's because I have to spell these things out because half the time I'll spell something. And in fact, in this case, I got capital O. I have to spell it out because I tend to... typo to the to a max. Well, it's OK from episode to episode, but you know, five years from now, I'd be like, what was that clip? It's a problem. Lawmakers expressed contrasting opinions during the House Committee on Homeland Security's hearing called the financial cost of Mayorkas' open border. On Wednesday, lawmakers examined the cost of the millions of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States. This crisis has cost Texas

38:48 $5 billion last year, $5 billion this year, $9 to $10 billion next year. Lawmakers also expressed how the issue is impacting citizens. In Brooks County, Texas, Sheriff Benny Martinez has said that county officials took pay cuts in order to afford the cost of burying or cremating illegal aliens found deceased on the U.S. side of the border. Man. Think about that. Wait, can't we just turn them into mulch? I had to stop Eclipse there because... We need to make them mulch. Mulch, yeah. What happened to that idea? Mulch them. That's bullcrap. I don't believe that for a minute. I'm going to take a pay cut so I can cremate these corpses that are here. There's got to be funding for that. I mean, who is this?

39:40 Who were that was the source of this news story? No, who what is this? Yeah, this it was about Texas some guys in Texas Just play the end of it again. You see what I mean? Hold on a second Here we go. Cremating illegal aliens found deceased in order to afford the cost of burying or cremating illegal aliens found deceased on the US side of the border. Think about that. They took a pay cut just to bury the dead found at the border. This is just show business for ugly people. Oh yeah, think about that. When someone says, think about that, you're trying to tell people, create the image in your mind, people taking pay cuts because they're so humanitarian. They're Samaritans. It's bullcrap, but let's go into clip two. One of the witnesses shared details about the situation in Yuma, Arizona. We have seen women approaching the border in labor.

40:41 I've witnessed that multiple times. This is also just all show, just you know, just bring in the human aspect. Oh, it's disgusting. To the point where our emergency room and our maternity ward was overrun. Some lawmakers pointed to New York City Eric Adams' recent comments on the immigration crisis, which took center stage at the hearing. Never in my life have I had a problem that I did not see an end to. I don't see an end to this. I don't see an end to this. This issue will destroy New York City. Destroy New York City. Adams recently said New York City is expected to spend about $5 billion this year and $6 billion next year to provide for the immigrants. And a Mississippi congressman tried to put the cost in perspective. So the information you have provided to us

41:35 says that New York will spend next year almost as much money as the entire state of Mississippi spends to fund our entire state government. But Democrats at the hearing said the immigrants are helping with the labor shortage. And Representative Delia Ramirez said one day without immigrants would cause the U.S. economy to collapse. Yet we want to talk about how much they're costing us. Here's the thing. Work permits, immigration reform, and an adequate visa so that people don't have to come here illegally. These are all solutions that work to make this country the country of American dream, the country of freedom, and the country

42:19 of the future. Oh, the country of the future. Well, this was what America has always been. But you're supposed to come in through. I mean, I have helped many people come in legally. Well, they're just going to go to California here for a second. Yes. We used to have a program, they're always so bad because the liberals all were against it even though they're all for this, which was called the Bracero Program. The Bracero Program. Yeah, so the Bracero, this ended in, I don't know, I think it ended in Reagan's governorship. I'm not sure when it ended, but it just ended because the liberals were all against it even though they're okay with what's going on now. The Bracero Program was

43:03 buses and buses of agricultural workers that were bused up from Mexico and kept up in the fields, in the wineries, and the cabbage fields, the lettuce fields, the tomato fields, and kept there in kind of too lousy housing. And then at the end of the season, the growing season, the Braceros would be blessed back to Mexico. Everybody was happy as a clam with this idea. Didn't this end with Operation Wetback? Wasn't that what it was like? All right. It's trying to send you all back. Like three million they sent back. No, they've always sent the Braceros back.

43:45 To address the overwhelming account of undocumented migrants in the United States, the Immigration and Naturalization Service launched Operation Wetback in June of 1954 as a way to repatriate illegal laborers back to Mexico. So this is... That's not the Bracero program. It's, well, it's under the Bracero wiki page. I'm not saying it's correct, but... The Bracero program got out of control. I think that's what happened. Well, if 54 wasn't the peak of the Bracero, it may have later. This was 57. Operation Wetback was 57. It may have later, but I vaguely remember the whole thing being, it was fine. I believe that we had agricultural people go down to the border and say, you, you, just like Home Depot. Yeah, now you don't have to go so far. Like you, you, exactly. You, you, you, poop, come on in, you stay three months and we send you back. And they took their money back.

44:43 But now it's like there's no agriculture in New York per se that I'm aware of it to the you know like the wineries and the avocados and the and the nut trees. There's a lot of growing in New York. Of what? Weed? They grow to everything. They have a season and they have an agricultural season. It's a little limited. It's but they grow everything that we grow in California more or less. Do you think that those 450, the half a million Venezuelans are all going to be in agriculture? Well, I didn't even consider that, not until you just mentioned it. That would be ironic. Wouldn't it? No, only Mexicans. We sound like Kamala Harris. Is this a kicker you have on this clip here?

45:27 16 seconds. Let me see. Recently, a video went viral that showed migrants riding on Mexican cargo trains heading to the United States. Now that Mexican freight company has temporarily stopped 60 trains because thousands of migrants had been hitching rides to the U.S. border. I love the name the Beast Train. I love that name. What's interesting about that train is that just this was just revealed like within the last week or so. This train is not a new train. No, it's been around for a while. It's probably been moving people because you always everyone wonders how people get from

46:04 from Guatemala and then this as if they walked the whole way through you know all of Mexico which is a quite a haul thousands of miles to get to the border and all these poor people well they're all jumping on this train and it's been going on for a decade or longer and not reported on thank you media. So here's part of the problem you know they're saying well Well, I mean, so we've had the UN General Assembly for the whole past week and it's all been about climate change, climate change, it's all about climate change, everything climate change. And one of the lies that is being, that the media tries to slip in, which doesn't really work, but they're trying to do it, is these are climate change refugees. No, they're not. They're literally... We've heard this. We can't get away with that. No, they're not.

46:55 But even if wanted to be agriculture, the elites are, what's the term? They're speaking against themselves. They're contradicting themselves to an incredible degree. And it's a shorty, but I have to bring in the climate czar who spoke this week, John Kerry, and he's very clear. We can't have agriculture, so I don't know what all these people are going to do in agriculture because we'll be eating bugs. Agriculture contributes about 33% of all the emissions of the world. Just so you know, it's 33%. Depending a little bit on how you count it, but it's anywhere from 26 to 33. Oh, I'm sorry. Depending on how you calculate it, what does that even mean, watermelon? It's between 26 and 33. Well, that's almost 10%. And we can't get to net zero.

47:52 We don't get this job done unless agriculture is front and center as part of the solution. But with a growing population on the planet, we just crossed the threshold of 8 billion fellow citizens around the world. We just crossed that in this last year. Emissions from the food system alone are projected to cause another half a degree of warming. by mid-century on the current course that we are today. Okay, so with the agriculture we have, we're going to burn to death, so we need to do something. A two-degree future... Uh-oh, what is a two-degree future? Oh no! Could result in an additional 600 million people not getting enough to eat. So, if the Earth... But takes care of itself then, doesn't it?

48:41 Well you'd think... It's like your old peak oil argument, if you remember. Yeah, we have too much agriculture, too many people, so if we keep on going we'll have less people. Sounds like nature. And you just can't continue to both warm the planet while also expecting to feed it. Okay, so we can't have agriculture? While expecting to feed people with agriculture. This is literally what he's saying. The guy is off the rails. And you know he has such a lizard tongue which as we know, you know, the CIA has this. Darting in and out constantly. He knows what he's eating while he's talking.

49:20 What that means, the CIA interrogation handbook says when someone sticks their tongue out while they're speaking, that means they're spitting out a lie. You know, it's BS. And he's doing this, and he does have a lizard pointy tongue. It's disgusting. It doesn't work. So we have to reduce emissions from the food system to keep the 1.5 degrees alive. Why do we have to keep 1.5 degrees alive? Because scientists. Ah, here we go. Why? Why do we have to keep under that 1.5 degree of warming? Because scientists... As a basis of physics and mathematics... Which is physics and mathematics... Not ideology and politics or party labels or anything else. As a matter of physics and mathematics and some biology and chemistry... Oh, some biology... Wait a minute, science...

50:13 is physics, mathematics, some biology and chemistry. He told us these are the consequences and we already see it happening and almost everything they've predicted for 30 plus years now. It's been wrong. Wait, wait, wait, I want everybody to hear him say this because it's great. And we already see it happening and almost everything they've predicted for 30 plus years now. It's coming true, but the problem is it's coming through faster and bigger than was in fact predicted. So not only for the past 30 years has everything come true, but it's been coming true faster than they ever predicted. Faster, I say. Well, let's think about this. Let's go back to 1978 and listen to Mr. Spock, Leonard Nimoy, with his famous climate change documentary. Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way.

51:09 According to recent evidence, it could come sooner than anyone had expected. At weather stations in the far north, temperatures have been dropping for 30 years. Sea coasts, long free of summer ice, are now blocked year-round. According to some climatologists, within a lifetime we might be living in the next ice age. Well, John, both you and I were alive in 1978. Within our lifetime, have we come into the ice age? I haven't seen anything change.

52:01 ever again children would only know snow globes and they would know movies with snow. That's what they said. We have that clip that proves that. And by the way if there's so much record heat every year why are there only two days left of natural gas? The record heat or was it snow I don't know. In 1960s we knew Paul Ehrlich, who is still around and still working for the White House, told us very clearly, there's too many people.

52:39 This has, within 10 years, we're going to reach a tipping point. The US could be busting out at the seams by the end of the century. If we do not by humane means limit our numbers, then numbers are going to be limited by more famines and shortages and consequent social conflicts. The idea that human population was outstripping the Earth's ability to support mankind was a powerful one. And it was one man, Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich, who pushed the dramatic message home. with a wide variety of compounds and so on. It's very difficult for me to picture things holding together for more than another decade or so. Oh, so by 1980 we should have been in dire straits and dead and completely gone. But oh, all these predictions. And we already see it happening. And almost everything they've predicted for 30 plus years now.

53:39 It's coming true, but the problem is it's coming through faster and bigger than was in fact. Bullshit. Yes. Come on. The funny thing about Erlich is a book that he did after they did the population bomb, which is the race bomb. Oh, the skin color prejudice and intelligence. Of course these people are at these are the racists. I mean, now we even have, um, oh goodness, I forgot to clip it. There was a woman on C-SPAN and she called in and she says, watermelons are exploding from climate change. And it turns out there's some subpar shipment of watermelons. And if you leave them out in the heat, you know, they start to ferment on the inside. Oh yeah, that can happen. Yeah, that can happen. But it's not like global warming is making watermelons explode. It reminds me of, okay, I got to do this now. This is because this has to stop.

54:38 We are here as conspiracy therapists to help you. And I'm going to help you in a very specific way. So this has not stopped. And I think this guy, Jason Shurka, may be ground zero of what is absolutely in medical documentation. Radio frequency activated nano liposomes can be used for controlled combination drug delivery. There's, what is this article? Sound waves power new advances in drug delivery and smart materials. You know, they've been using ultrasonic waves to kill cancer cells for quite a while now, although you don't hear much about it because God forbid we solve something. We'd rather keep those people sick.

55:30 But this guy has got a large portion of doom scrollers really riled up. I was asked to share the following message with the world. Remember, I'm only the messenger. What you choose to do with this information is up to you and your own free will. On October 4th at 2.22pm Eastern Time, the emergency broadcast system will be activated across the entire United States. under the leadership of FEMA disguised as a test. However, this test will be used to send a specific high frequency signal through devices like smartphones, radios and TVs with the intention of activating graphene oxide and other nanoparticles that have been inserted into billions of human beings around the world through the obvious mediums.

56:17 obvious Hopefully, they will be able to stop this and stopping this in Israel looks promising, but stopping this in the United States is still up in the air. This will also include Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and Alaska. If the October 4th date does not occur for any reason, the backup plan will be to do it on October 11th at the same time. In the case that this is not able to be stopped,

56:53 I ask you all to shut off your phones and all other relevant devices at 2 p.m. Eastern Time for a period of two hours to be safe. This type of wavelength can affect us physically, mentally, and emotionally. I urge you all to protect yourself and I ask you all to share this video far and wide. Thank you very much. So this has been shared far and wide and including the patent on this technology. Yes, you had a question? Does he have any clue about how speaker systems work? Well, thank you. So now this technology, there is real ultrasonic

57:35 therapies that are being used. It's called, what's it called? Sonochemistry. And the frequency range for this to work is 10 kilohertz to three megahertz. Now I would say, and this is what I think you're about to say, is that most speakers kind of drop off at 22 kilohertz. So you're never going to get a tone... Let's be realistic. 22, if a speaker can attribute, actually hit 22 kilohertz, you got a hell of an expensive speaker on your hands. Yes, and amp, and amplifier. And, right, you also need the amplifier that can handle that kind of frequency accurately. There's not, people don't have that. Well, just to make sure, I want to inoculate all of the NOAgenda producers by activating your nanoparticles

58:32 I am going to take it up to 20 kilohertz. This may, this may shorten, this may... Reduce our audience significantly, John. I'm at five kilohertz. People are starting to get activated. People may be, oh, I think we're at eight kilohertz. We're at nine. I think we're about to start killing people. John, we're into 10. I can't hear it anymore. Nanoparticles are being activated from here to Israel. 14, 15, 16, 18, 20 kilohertz. Are we dead? Are you there? So with my computer speaker system,

59:10 The drop-off, if you actually were trying to transmit anything beyond five, it really ends at five. You can't, there's nothing coming out. You didn't even get ten? I could still hear ten. I couldn't hear ten on these speakers. So I'm looking at the troll room. I do not see anyone who had death in the room. And then people in fact, and many people have made it. Congratulations. You made it. You're safe. You're safe for the FEMA test. Although some dogs, FEMA test, some dogs did not like it. There's another, there is another, um,

59:50 By the way, people need to get on social media right now and tell them not to listen to episode 1593 of No Agenda because it will kill them. It will activate the nanoparticles that have been introduced into their bodies by the obvious means. Yes. So supposedly the tick that was developed at Plum Island to give you a meat allergy... Have you heard this one? Well, I happen to have a conversation about it. It was designed to be repelled by a 5G signal and the reason and the tick got out and is starting to give people these meat allergies which are ruined. You just basically ruin the country. The alpha gal, the lone star tick alpha gal. Yes. The lone star tick. And so they had to roll out 5G in a hurry

1:00:49 to push these takes away. This one I had not heard. Yeah. I got this at the dinner table from JC who had heard it. And did he believe it? I don't think so. We had dinner last night with the ER doctor and his wife. And he was quite aware of the alpha-gal adjuvant in vaccines and had some thoughts on that, which disagree with the Plum Island 5G idea. In addition to that, I asked him point blank, have you seen an uptick in what we would call vaccine adverse events? He says, oh yeah.

1:01:36 Everybody we know in health care is saying this. Of course they are. If you remember from the very, from the get-go when all these nurses were quitting because they would rather quit than get the jab, which is a problem that exists till today. They were hearing, we had those early stories about the bad periods and the blood flows and all these things with the women. It went on and on and on right at the beginning of our, when we started introducing these issues to the show, when we first heard about the COVID thing being a bioweapon or at least manufactured or engineered, which was right at the beginning, it was at the very beginning of 2020.

1:02:19 So the fact that it's continuing after billions of shots doesn't surprise anybody. Well we might as well bring it in now because that's the other thing that is blanketing the mainstream M5M elite messaging system airwaves besides tones that will kill you. How many people are actually getting the COVID vaccine right now? What are you seeing and hearing from patients? I'm hearing a lot of interest from people who are paying attention to headlines, especially those who are high risk. Getting a lot of attention from people who are paying attention to headlines. Listen to what they're saying. I'm hearing a lot of interest from people who are paying attention to headlines, especially those who are high risk. He's not lying. People who pay attention to headlines and don't read the story, mainly because it's behind a paywall these days,

1:03:05 They're like, oh, wow, I saw a headline. So people who have underlying chronic medical needs, their immunocompromised weak immune systems, parents of younger children, and even people who might be hanging out with someone who's above the age of 60 or 65. Now, we obviously all have our eyes on those numbers from the last booster, where less than 20% of people who were eligible went out and got it, but a higher percentage of people above the age of 65 did. So right now what we're looking at right now is an interest of people getting it, but making sure that they have access They know where to get it and that they're going to be available to all communities regardless of socioeconomic status. Yeah, not free, but available to all communities. So now we have a situation where the the true owners of the messaging, which is the advertisers, which for television, for mainstream is the pharmaceutical industry. Just take a look at the ads.

1:03:53 They have a triple play now. We've got COVID, we've got flu and RSV. In tonight's Health Watch breaking news. Breaking news. CDC has just approved Pfizer's new vaccine aimed at protecting infants from the respiratory illness RSV. The shot now available in some places is recommended for moms who are 32 to 36 weeks pregnant. Health officials say in the first six months after birth, the vaccine can reduce a baby's risk of RSV hospitalization by 57%. So it's a vaccine. It's the same type of great vaccine that Pfizer has brought to you before, the one that gives you a percentage of protection. They're starting off now at 57%. How is that a vaccine? How how is that a vaccine? If you remember when you first had that paper that one of these vaccine companies produced, it was 95 regarding

1:04:48 What? It was 95% for the COVID. No, no, I'm talking about back in the day when you found a paper that they were presenting to the investors showing that the vaccine's a big moneymaker. Yeah, because you can give medicine to people who aren't sick yet. And so in there, as we discussed this, they were going to do a anti-smoking vaccine. They were calling things vaccines that weren't vaccines back then. And then when we came to mRNA, which is anything but a vaccine, it's been it's a crapshoot now. Now they did the idea that a vaccine is to stop something is I don't even think anyone thinks that anymore. Well,

1:05:27 If we go to the Today Show, who are the primary promoters of all things pharmaceutical, they're all excited about what Dr. Natalie Azar has to say. We are back with today's checklist. Fall means comfy sweaters and cozy drinks, but it also means we are on alert for flu, COVID, and RSV. So we have- We're on alert for flu, COVID, it's that time of the year again. It used to be- Hey, we're getting ready for Christmas. We're getting ready for Halloween's around the corner. We've got spice pumpkin lattes. No, no, now it's now. Now we're looking out for flu. We're all getting ready to get sick. COVID and RSV. So we have some good news for you this morning. Free at home COVID tests will be available again starting next week. Again, free at home COVID tests available. You know how many of those tests I've collected so far? About 20.

1:04:48 What? It was 95% for the COVID. No, no, I'm talking about back in the day when you found a paper that they were presenting to the investors showing that the vaccine's a big moneymaker. Yeah, because you can give medicine to people who aren't sick yet. And so in there, as we discussed this, they were going to do a anti-smoking vaccine. They were calling things vaccines that weren't vaccines back then. And then when we came to mRNA, which is anything but a vaccine, it's been it's a crapshoot now. Now they did the idea that a vaccine is to stop something is I don't even think anyone thinks that anymore. Well,

1:05:27 If we go to the Today Show, who are the primary promoters of all things pharmaceutical, they're all excited about what Dr. Natalie Azar has to say. We are back with today's checklist. Fall means comfy sweaters and cozy drinks, but it also means we are on alert for flu, COVID, and RSV. So we have- We're on alert for flu, COVID, it's that time of the year again. It used to be- Hey, we're getting ready for Christmas. We're getting ready for Halloween's around the corner. We've got spice pumpkin lattes. No, no, now it's now. Now we're looking out for flu. We're all getting ready to get sick. COVID and RSV. So we have some good news for you this morning. Free at home COVID tests will be available again starting next week. Again, free at home COVID tests available. You know how many of those tests I've collected so far? About 20.

1:06:20 At least 20, I have a box full of them, different brands. I've got a whole slew of them because they were giving to me, the pharmacy had a little thing, you pick up a prescription, you want some free COVID tests, just ask us. So they give you a bundle of them and then you go back and there's another bundle and you get the free ones they mail to you at the beginning from the government, they get the free ones. And dropping them off left and right, there's so many of these tests. You got a bundle of them. Well, they're coming back. Again, someone's benefiting. Free tests. NBC News medical contributor Dr. Natalie Azar is here to walk us through all the vaccines and boosters out there. Good morning. All of the vaccines and the

1:07:01 boosters and the nasal sprays and it's all groovy. Here to walk us through all the vaccines and boosters out there. Good morning. I got my free COVID test yesterday. Oh yeah! Oh, good for you. I got my free COVID test yesterday. It says right here in my script. I gotta say that. So let's start with the flu vaccine. Yeah, let's start with that. By the way, one of the trolls did point out the definition of vaccine has changed in the dictionary. No, we noticed it when it happened. It happened on our watch. I know, but I just want to remind everybody that a vaccine is no longer what it was. It's what they said it was going to be 12, 13 years ago when they had a big conference. They were talking, it wasn't just smoking, it was cocaine addiction, it was all kinds of stuff.

1:07:46 Yeah, I remember the cocaine was a good one. So let's start with the flu vaccine. Let's talk about it. Who needs to get it? When should they get it? All this stuff. Okay, so everybody with a few exceptions over the age of six months is eligible to get the flu shot. We usually recommend to get it by the end of October. It takes about two weeks for those protective antibodies to kick in. Remember, this was the end of October. This was mask up, mask for Halloween. That's what you have to keep in mind. Flu season is starting about now and heads into the winter. If you're 65 and older, there's a couple high dose shots that you are eligible for. But the rest of us in sort of that middle bell curve, it doesn't matter which one you get because there's a lot of different flu shots out there. Hold on. What is this middle bell curve? I like the high dose shot. Let's kill the old people. These other shots haven't done the job.

1:08:37 High dose. High dose. Yeah, if you're over 65 take the high dose. Don't worry, you'll be mulched before you know it. What about the nasal spray? Is that better? Right, right. So, nasal spray, you know. She's all excited. Right, right, right. Nasal spray. What about the nasal spray? Is that better? Right, right. So, nasal spray, you know. Every couple of years we find out, oh, maybe it doesn't work as well as the injectable one, but it is available this year and it is a great option for little kids. This literally is like selling, oh, the pumpkin spice latte is available this year. Oh, right, it's called the nasal spray. Who are needlephobic. It is indicated for people between the ages of two and 49. But here's the thing. 49, oh, I miss out, I can't do the nasal spray. There are a couple of exceptions to it. Why not? Because I'm not. Hold on a second. I'm not in the bell curve.

1:09:23 What difference does it make if you can if it works it works? What is it you think the spray goes up your nose and goes how old is this guy? And that's why we love you John C. Dvorak. I've vaccine kids between 2 and 17 who are taking aspirin and other certain medications are not meant to get it. Oh what? Wait a minute you can't use the nasal spray if you're taking aspirin? Well that's not a good thing for Bayer. It's not a good product from whoever's pushing the spray. I wouldn't think so, no. It's between 2 and 17 who are taking aspirin and other certain medications are not meant to get it. So if you're 18 and you're taking aspirin, it's okay.

1:10:06 I mean this is confusing. People with weakened immune systems, pregnant people and there's a few other on that list. So if you're thinking about getting the nasal spray, check with your doctor. Pregnant people, yeah good catch. Pregnant people, okay thanks. There's more though, because you know... RSV now this is a problem and I think they're being a little cavalier about it but remember the whole idea was you can get your RSV get your flu shot get your COVID shot but but are there any side effects? Let's talk about RSV4 milk here because we know the FDA just approved that first ever RSV vaccine and infants and toddlers if I'm not mistaken. I'm throwing up in my mouth from this like gas yeah yeah yeah are you get are you paid per time you say something like that?

1:10:53 Yeah, oh yeah, oh yes, exciting. Let's talk about it. You remember the old, I think maybe the show is still on the air, that the mayor of Cincinnati guy had that talk show where they people get into fights on the set and throw shoes, they pull a shoe off and throw it. What's his name? Maury Povich? Maury Povich? No, not Maury Povich, the other guy. Jerry Springer? Jerry Springer. Jerry Springer, there was somebody that I don't know if I, how removed I was from this story, but somebody, because you had to sign an NDA when you did the Springer show. Springer literally had a fee schedule.

1:11:34 If you did this or that, you'd get paid. If you took your shoe off, you'd get like 50 bucks. If you got out of your chair in a threatening manner, you'd get like 50 bucks. If you did this, if you threw a chair, you'd get like 100. It was a fee schedule that would create these people that want to fight because hell yeah, you make a lot of money. It's possible that this is going on as we speak with the clip you're playing, that there's a fee schedule. So if you say yeah or oh right, is there any of these things, it's possible you get paid more money. Or you get invited to the big Pfizer Christmas party and you get gifts and you get a, what are people getting these days? A bag, one of those bags, bag of goodies. These days people are getting gold bars, they're getting Mercedes, we're on the wrong side of all this, my friend. We've always been.

1:12:28 Let's talk about RSV4 and over here because we know the FDA just approved that first ever RSV vaccine. Yeah. And infants and toddlers, if I'm not mistaken, they're especially susceptible to it. But should adults also get the vaccine? Be getting the vaccine. So yeah, so for little ones, this is great. We have approved now something called the Lanox. For little ones, this is great! We jab them, we jab them early, we jab them often. Hey guys, where's my swag bag? Clonal antibody for little neonates and infants born in the... Neonates! Oh, come on! Neonates! This is children who literally have just been born. Yeah. And you call them neonates? Neonates, well maybe the kid's name is Nate. Or Neo. This is great. We have approved now something called a monoclonal antibody for little neonates and infants born in their first RSV season.

1:13:20 Oh, please. How old is Johnny? I don't know, but it's his first RSV season. It's the first season of his life. It's known as the RSV season. These people are ghouls. They are selling horrible products. They don't work. They should be ashamed of themselves as broadcasters. This is what broadcasting has become. The vast wasteland is worse than ever. Good point. But for individuals 60 and older, there are now two different RSV vaccines that are available. Two? No, two! Two, not one! There's two! It's a bonanza, I'm telling you. Bonanza!

1:14:09 If you absolutely must, probably yes, but the CDC has some data that maybe the flu shot won't be as effective if you get it with the RSV. So I'm going to recommend it. What is it? So the CDC has some data. This is a warning signal as far as I'm concerned, that if you get the RSV with the flu shot, the flu shot won't be as effective. Why not? What is wrong with either one of those or both of those? That doesn't make... They don't explain. They don't... Probably yes, but the CDC has some data that maybe the flu shot won't be as effective if you get it with the RSV. So I'm going to make a recommendation to my patients to separate RSV from flu shots. That's not for kids? No, this is for 60 and up. The little ones get something called a monoclonal antibody. They were approved around the same time. It's really great news still. Great. Oh, it's great news. Why is the kid getting a monoclonal antibody when they're not sick? You ask too many questions. No swag bag for you.

1:15:09 Now let's talk about the booster. Oh, I'm sorry. I feel sorry for the parents who are jacking these kids up with every damn thing that comes along just because somebody on the Today Show thought it was a good idea. Well, no. Someone on the Today Show got a swag bag to promote it. Well, this is why we exist. So at least we have to end advertising, drug company advertising. That's why nobody in the world does it or allows it because they know it's dangerous. It corrupts the media. It has to be stopped. The only two countries that allow it are the United States and New Zealand, two screwed up countries because of it, letting the pharmaceutical companies push everyone around. This has got to end.

1:15:52 Let's talk about the booster. Oh, can we call it a booster? We need some marketing help on this. What about the COVID booster? COVID booster! Really? This makes my stomach turn the way they're promoting it. COVID booster! Hello children, COVID booster! COVID booster! COVID booster! What about the COVID booster? So we have a COVID booster this year and we're probably gonna stop calling it booster. We're gonna say updated vaccine just like we update the flu shot. No, like you update your software, like you update your windows because that's what it is. It's an update to your technology.

1:16:35 That's what the whole promise was of the mRNA platform. It's a software upgrade. It's an update. And it is okay to get the COVID and the flu shot at the same time. We've been saying that for a couple of years. scared. You know, it's just a needle. She's just scared. And I, and I, you know, I, I just, is there a logic? So I just got my flu shot, you know, I was scared, but I did it right. Just because I'm like, I know I'm the same, but I suck it up and I get it done. I sucked it up and I got it done. So brave. But for some reason with the COVID booster, a lot of people are like, me, me, do you know what I mean? Should we apply the same logic that is

1:17:37 I can't help but mock these people. This is so, so horrible. I mean, if you just, if you, you know, and the problem is if you're eating your breakfast, you got the kids running around, you hear half of this, you're like, oh, oh, I better get in there. Kids have to pick you up after school. Don't take any aspirin. You know, because you're gonna get your flu shot. Don't want you to get hurt. But for some reason with the COVID booster, a lot of people are like, Do you know what I mean? Should we apply the same logic that it's just an updated? Hold on a second. I hate to interrupt. No, I love it. But didn't this whole thing begin with the chatter that was going on about, you know, these, these clips, the chatter, everyone's talking about getting the shot. It's great. Now all of a sudden it's...

1:18:25 I have the CDC director next and there's a lot of meh. She will commit to nothing about this because they now know that the pharmaceutical industry is selling their product and they know it's no good. At best, ineffective. At worst, harmful. For the CDC and communication, yes. Yes. For an individual, there are so many. Did you hear what she says? She says, for the CDC and communication, Yes! Let's listen to the question again. What does that mean? So for the marketing... I have no idea. Why the emphatic yes? Because I think when she says for the CDC and communication, she means marketing. So for the marketing, yes, it's an updated. Yes, it's an updated. Oh, it's not a booster. Yes.

1:19:24 I think this is marketing. They're marketing chemicals to you and your children cavalierly. You're always scared to tell them. I know, I'm always proud of you. I'm the same, but I suck it up when I get it done. But for some reason with the COVID booster, a lot of people are like, eeeh. Do you know what I mean? Should we apply the same logic that it's just an updated... So, for the CDC and communication, yes. For an individual there are so much nuance to this. I think I would just say that the booster and updated shot with of the COVID shot gives you protection against infection for a number of months and then that declines. Protection against severe disease is more durable than the flu vaccine. So if you've been boosted with COVID before, if you've had a COVID infection. If you've been boosted with COVID?

1:20:12 What? That's exactly what she said. If you've been boosted with COVID, okay. ... against severe disease is more durable than the flu vaccine. So if you've been boosted with COVID before, if you've had a COVID infection... Oh, you know what she said? She actually literally said that she said she now equates having COVID with getting a booster shot. Yep. If you've been boosted, you've been boosted by COVID by getting COVID and by getting COVID. Wow. Let's listen. The COVID shot gives you protection against infection for a number of months and then that declines. Protection against severe disease is more durable than the flu vaccine. So if you've been boosted with COVID before, if you've had a COVID infection, you are still protected against severe disease. Wow! What an admission! I mean, just a few years ago, I distinctly remember... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you think you have some kind of immunity because you got COVID? No. No. Back in your home, you!

1:21:12 Don't come to work. Don't go to school. Get your vax. Get your vax because you don't have immunity just because you say you had it. And now we've changed. Boy, I'm glad I have a memory that goes back at least a couple years. So if you're in that bell curve, young adult... A bell curve again? What's the bell curve? I don't know why they keep bringing the bell curve up when you're in the bell curve. But that means the bell curve that you've already have, it must be the immunity bell curve or something. So if you're in that bell curve. I think it's the age bell curve. Oh no, no. She's saying that if you've been boosted with COVID, I'm going to start saying that. Are you a vaccine? I've been boosted with COVID. Perfect. Yeah. I'm going to start saying it too. I never had COVID. I've been boosted with no COVID.

1:22:01 Heh. You've been boosted with your caffeine drinks. I have an immune system, hello. Against severe disease is more durable than the flu vaccine. So if you've been boosted with COVID before, if you've had a COVID infection, you are still protected against severe disease. So if you're in that bell curve, young adult, otherwise reasonably healthy, talk to your doctor about getting an updated shot. Again, from a public health population perspective, the answer is kind of yes. It makes sense. or get or there's a lot of nuance right you're so good talk to your doctor thank you thank you seriously oh my god how long does this go on this is the last one how does anybody watch this show well i love how she says you're so good at promoting pharmaceutical products you're so good thank you y'all see you at the party swag bag full yes

1:22:50 girlfriend. The answer is yes, whether you had it or get or there's a lot of nuance. Right. You're so good. Seriously. I mean, seriously, you're so good. You really helped out with that ad. It's so good. So we have a CDC director, Dr. Mandy Cohen. And since this is all very confusing, we need to hear about, you know, from the authorities who are in charge of this. Is this safe? Do we need it? What's going on? The first thing we need to do is politicize it. How good has CDC done, with all due respect, over the last few years? How many people trust CDC at this point? I was in the trenches during COVID. They were citing flimsy studies saying that masks will stop COVID. One of the things that I said is, when I come in, we're going to have a reckoning about all these COVID policies.

1:23:38 Those are words spoken this week by Republican presidential candidate and Florida governor Ron DeSantis. During the height of the pandemic, Americans' trust in the CDD slipped compared to other government agencies as changing science around the coronavirus led to shifting CDC guidelines. Listen to what she's saying. As changing science Because the science is always in, it's always right, trust the scientists. But the science changed. That makes no sense. A word spoken this week by Republican presidential candidate and Florida governor Ron DeSantis. During the height of the pandemic, Americans' trust in the CDD slipped.

1:24:18 compared to other government agencies as changing science around the coronavirus led to shifting CDC guidelines. In 2002, a Kaiser Family Foundation poll found more than a quarter of Americans still don't trust the agency to provide reliable information about COVID vaccines. Even the former CDC director said this about the CDC's COVID response, quote, to be frank, we are responsible for some pretty dramatic, pretty public mistakes from testing to data to communications. And while most Americans have moved on from COVID, if you look at the numbers, the virus of course is still here. Oh, time to look at the numbers. Check the bell curve. The virus is still here. What are you thinking, stupid people? Hospitalizations have been on the rise since July with weekly admissions now more than triple what they were just two months ago. Maybe five. Oh, they went from one to three.

1:25:08 I think three to nine is what I was going to suggest. That's triple. Joining us now for her very first CNN interview, the new CDC director, Dr. Mandy Cohen. All right, Dr. Mandy Cohen. We have a new face. We've got a new round, new chances. Let's bring it home. Dr. Mandy Cohen. Dr. Cohen, thank you so much for joining us this morning. I want to start with, we heard from Rhonda Santus. He has basically... I want to start with nothing about medicine. I just want to start with... politics.

1:25:55 But she claims, of course. Well, first, Sarah, thanks for having me on. I want to make sure that Americans know that last week the CDC did recommend an updated COVID vaccine for everyone. Notice the marketing language, not booster. It's an updated COVID vaccine. She's all in. Vaccine for everyone over the age of six months. These are vaccines that we've given out 600 million of these doses. We've saved so many lives or created. These vaccines are safe, they're effective. We want to make sure folks protect themselves going into the fall and winter season when we know we're going to see more COVID circulating. Okay, that's a

1:26:33 about the extent of what she'll go in this interview. They're safe and effective, which is what we've heard continuously. Safe and effective. Let's get into it because obviously we go from politics to the internet because, you know, people can't, you know, there are podcasters out there who are mocking you, Dr. Mandy Cohen, CDC director. There's people on Brighteon and Rumble. Who are not towing the line? What are we going to do with this misinformation, this disinformation? It's a problem. We've seen a lot of misinformation, disinformation and conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories? Oh no! How is it a conspiracy theory? What's the conspiracy theory? Okay, I'm sorry.

1:27:17 The vaccine doesn't work as a conspiracy theory. And maybe she's talking about the the nanoparticle guy with the... I don't think so, but maybe. That is a conspiracy theory. We're conspiracy therapists, young lady. Now you have a governor who is pushing some of this saying that Floridians are being used as guinea pigs and he's just not going to allow it. What is your response to his statement? Did he say that too? He said that they were guinea pigs? I mean, I don't remember that. This sounds like an actual conspiracy theory to me that he said all these things. I didn't hear that. Well, first, I want folks to know that these vaccines have been thoroughly and independently reviewed both by the FDA and CDC experts.

1:26:33 about the extent of what she'll go in this interview. They're safe and effective, which is what we've heard continuously. Safe and effective. Let's get into it because obviously we go from politics to the internet because, you know, people can't, you know, there are podcasters out there who are mocking you, Dr. Mandy Cohen, CDC director. There's people on Brighteon and Rumble. Who are not towing the line? What are we going to do with this misinformation, this disinformation? It's a problem. We've seen a lot of misinformation, disinformation and conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories? Oh no! How is it a conspiracy theory? What's the conspiracy theory? Okay, I'm sorry.

1:27:17 The vaccine doesn't work as a conspiracy theory. And maybe she's talking about the the nanoparticle guy with the... I don't think so, but maybe. That is a conspiracy theory. We're conspiracy therapists, young lady. Now you have a governor who is pushing some of this saying that Floridians are being used as guinea pigs and he's just not going to allow it. What is your response to his statement? Did he say that too? He said that they were guinea pigs? I mean, I don't remember that. This sounds like an actual conspiracy theory to me that he said all these things. I didn't hear that. Well, first, I want folks to know that these vaccines have been thoroughly and independently reviewed both by the FDA and CDC experts.

1:28:04 Okay, thoroughly and independently reviewed. They've been tested on mice. There's no human trials of this late, this updated vaccine. But you know, I'm not just a CDC director. I'm also a mom and a wife and a daughter. I'm also the owner of the hair club for men. No, but this is interesting. I'm also a mom. Now, seeing as she's the CDC director, And she's a mom. You would think that she has been vaxxed, double vaxxed, double boosted, had the same done for her family, for her children. Would you agree?

1:28:39 I would say she'd been double vaxxed and at least double boosted if not triple boosted. Let's listen and see if we can hear that. But you know I'm not just a CDC director, I'm also a mom and a wife and a daughter. I wouldn't recommend something for the American people. I wouldn't recommend for my own family. My daughters who are 9 and 11, I plan to have them get vaccinated. I'm getting vaccinated. My husband... Wait a minute. Shouldn't she say updated vaccine? It sounds the way she says this it sounds like she hasn't been vaccinated at all. That's exactly what it sounds like and maybe it's true and you're in what you're doing is parsing reality. I plan to have them get vaccinated. I'm getting vaccinated my husband of course my parents who are over 65 are at the highest risk certainly want them to get protected but really unfortunately COVID is still here with us. I know we all wish it would be gone but it is here with us

1:29:32 But the good news is we have tools that are safe and effective to protect ourselves. Now, okay, so tools again for safe and effective tools. So are these tools masks? Let's get into the masks, specifically masks. Can you give us an answer? Do masks work? I want to ask you about the recent uptick because we have seen the numbers go up over the last month or so. With that recent uptick, there are several school districts that are now requiring masks once again. Is that a good policy? Is that something that should be happening that we go back to masking at this point? So from the CDC director, I would expect either yes

1:30:09 It's a good policy because masks work or no, it's not a good policy because children are... They need to breathe fresh air, not their own ex-fluent. Oh, good word. They're choking on their own ex-fluent. They can't see each other's facial expressions. It's very bad for child development. Either one I would accept from her, but You know, we're in a different place than we were before. We're outside of the emergency but COVID is still with us and we know that we have tools to protect us. Answer the question with your tools. We've been talking about vaccines being one and I hope everyone gets an updated vaccine but we have others. Testing, treatment and other common-sense solutions and yes, masking is one of those solutions that folks could choose to use to protect. Ah, see how cagey she is now?

1:30:57 See what she's doing? Yes, we have other tools and yes, masks is something people could choose to use. Protect themselves from this virus. It's important to know your own risk. Are you around folks who are older or who have underlying conditions? Then we need to use more layers of protection. She's not saying masks, layers of protection. The fact is we have tools, we need to use them. Tools, tools. And we're going to keep talking about the ways folks can protect themselves. No answer. That is literally not an answer. Do you think that this is a good recommendation that schools should be masking now? As I said, there are several schools, I think Maryland one of them, where they're saying, okay, now you have to mask again. Okay, she's clearly asking the question again.

1:31:38 Yes, this is the second go-round. Yes, because even the CNN lady was not satisfied with that non-answer. Well, look, we want folks... Look! Look! When you start off with look, no answer's coming. Well, look, we want folks to be reacting to what they're seeing on the ground in their community and making sure that they're protecting themselves. We want folks to know that there are tools that they can use, but there are more things than masks. Remember, ventilation, don't forget your vaccine, wash your hands, stay home when you're sick. These are layers of tools that we have right now, and we want to just empower folks to use those tools and support them in any way we can. No one is washing your hands a tool. Kind of a tool is washing your hands. It's a tool. We know that you have any washing your hand tool there. You have a three quarter inch washing your hand. Open the window. It's a good tool. Opening windows is a tool.

1:32:34 Yeah, that's what she said. All right, let's get down to the crux of it because this is why we're here. We need to promote the product. Do the updated vaccines work? I do want to ask you about the vaccine. She gave up on the question. Of course she gave up on the question. They always do this, by the way, if anyone out there doesn't notice, they go to take two shots at it. Yep. And that's it. And that's it. They're not going to know what they should do. You know what? If they were journalists and say, well, hold on a second. It's a simple question. Can you answer it yes or no? No, that's only for Congress and the Senate. Exactly. That's where that gets asked. And they don't get the answer either, so it doesn't work. But she answered it so that we can look out for the messaging. The messaging is it's an updated vaccine and it's just one of many tools.

1:33:23 tools which include washing your hands, opening the window, standing on your head, putting a bag over your head. Lots of tools. We can come up with a whole tool kit, in fact. I do want to ask you about the vaccines and how well do they work and do they actually help reduce transmissions of the virus at all? This latest... Updated, updated, updated! It's an update, don't call it a booster, it's an update. Vaccine. Oh, you screwed it up! Yes, so we know that these vaccines are safe and they're effective. They're safe and effective. Do they work? Safe and effective. At preventing the worst of what COVID can. Oh, this is great. Do they prevent, she said, do they prevent transmission? The question is really simple. Do they prevent transmission? Director of the CDC, the person who is in charge of our health,

1:34:21 Yes, so we know that these vaccines are safe and they're effective at preventing the worst of what COVID can bring to you. And that is putting you in the hospital or dying. Unfortunately, we're still seeing hundreds of people over 65 dying each week. Okay, so they're safe and effective at stopping the worst of COVID, which is getting you sick and you dying. Unfortunately, we're seeing people dying. What? is going on here. With COVID, we have about 20,000 folks in the hospital right now with COVID. So what the vaccine can do is protect you from the worst of what COVID is. But remember, the vaccine early data is showing us it can also prevent you from getting long COVID. We don't even know what long COVID is yet.

1:35:10 Dan, this is bogus. This is not true. No, of course not. It decreases your risk of getting long COVID, which is extended symptoms. I didn't expect this. I mean, so let's just review. It will protect you, you won't get COVID. The president of the United States said that. Then it was 90%, 95% effective. Then it was 75% effective. Then it was 65%. Then you needed a booster. And then, you know, you, oh, it's only good for a couple of months. You need another booster. And you need to, you know, get a, there's an uptick, you need another booster. And well, it's not going to stop transmission. It's not going to do that. But it will stop you from getting really sick and going into the hospital. Now it'll stop the worst of what COVID can do, like COVID some bogeyman with a gun outside your door. And now they've resorted to, well, if you're not in the hospital and you don't die, you won't get long COVID.

1:36:04 But it's safe and effective. From that COVID virus. So yes, protecting from the worst, but also protecting you from potential long-term symptoms from this virus, even if you have a mild case. What a lie! And I don't even have a mild case. Back to us though. What about all those anti-vaxxers on podcasts? I can't help but tell you this story. I was in several hospitals at the height of this pandemic. What were you doing there? What were you doing in those hospitals? Why would you do that? Of this pandemic. And one of the things I heard from someone in the hospital, from one of the nurses, they said, someone came in here, they had COVID. It was really, really bad. They couldn't breathe. And the person's wife says, don't you dare give them that vaccine. It is dangerous. It is deadly. This is one of those big issues, this anti-vaccine

1:36:57 Hold on a second. Somebody's dying of COVID. You don't give them a, what's the vaccine going to do? It's not as therapeutic. Exactly. Exactly. Story is bogus. She wasn't in the hospital. She's making herself. She's trying to find a bridge, a bridge to get into the anti-vaxxer. I agree. I agree. This is bullshit. And one of the things I heard from someone in the hospital, from one of the nurses, they said. In the hospital. So something I heard from someone in the hospital, from one of the nurses. So it's third-hand information. Someone came in here, they had COVID, it was really, really bad, they couldn't breathe, and the person's wife says, don't you dare give them that vaccine. It is dangerous, it is deadly. This is one of those big issues, this anti-vaccine sentiment. Do you have a specific plan to try and combat it? And how worried are you about a rise in this anti-vaccine sentiment? Okay.

1:37:52 Just to make clear, I don't think Adam or John have any anti-vaccine sentiment. We're anti these bullcrap vaccines that don't work under the newly changed definition of vaccine, which is a vaccine is a shot that you get that doesn't do anything. But you won't get long COVID. It's just a tool. Well, it's really important that we are communicating with folks and having longer conversations to make sure that we're addressing people's questions. Please, the questions, you're not answering them. Does it work? Is it for real? Do masks work? You want to have longer conversations? Why longer conversations? You're boring me already. That they understand the data that we see. It's why I'm sharing personally what I would recommend for my own family in terms of vaccination. So it's just a personal endorsement. It's not based on science or numbers which you haven't given us. It's just an endorsement by a lady who has a badge.

1:38:51 I know folks want to be healthy. Where did you get this clip? CNN. This is CNN. I mean, luckily no one watches CNN. Uh oh. But what? A dog? Do we have a dog alert? Dog alert. Let me finish this clip family. I finished a clip and then stop taping. I'll come back after the clip. It's not funny. Well, let me 36 seconds. Can you hold on for 36? Yes, you can. Okay. Personally, what I would recommend for my own family in terms of vaccination, I know folks want to be healthy that they want their families to be safe. So we're just going to keep communicating about the good information that we know.

1:39:31 How's that communicating anything? She communicated nothing except her personal endorsement. Healthy, that they want their families to be safe. So we're just going to keep communicating about the good information that we know, the scientific information that we're seeing. We want to communicate as transparently as we can and answer folks questions. We encourage folks to visit CDC. She answered nothing. She answered no questions. But visit cdc.gov and get their questions answered and engage with your doctor, with a nurse practitioner, ask good questions and make sure you're using tools to protect yourself. Dr. Mandy Cohen, congratulations. You are the new CDC director. Lots of work to be done. Thank you so much for answering our questions here on CNN this morning. Thank you for answering our questions. Hey, whatever you do, don't call it a comeback!

1:40:19 I've got some clips of the RFK Jr. op. Bobby, the op is back, everybody. All right. Oh, he hasn't gone anywhere. No, I know. It's just the way they're doing it. They're rolling it out funny. OK, all right. I'm ready. So it looks as if, well, let's play the op and we'll discuss after the three clips. And Biden may have competition. A recent poll has good news for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. This is NTD. I'm just assuming. You can play the jingle if you want. No, no, I didn't know. Yes, it is MTV. They're pro-Kennedy. Oh really? Oh, then I do have to play it.

1:40:59 Yeah, they're pro-candidate. And we gotta play it. This is N-T-D. And Biden may have competition. A recent poll has good news for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., even as the candidate may be considering running as an independent. We spoke with an Epoch Times reporter to dive into his campaign. Jeff Lauderback, thank you so much for joining us. Great to be back on the show. It seems right now rumors are swirling that RFK Jr might run as an independent, separating himself from the Democratic Party. That's after some contention with the Democratic National Committee. From what you've seen from his campaign, what has he been saying about all of this? Well, it's interesting because I've been covering the campaign since I believe May. And for several months, he would say when asked that question if he would run as a third party or an independent,

1:41:46 that he's a Democrat. He wants to restore the party to what it was when his uncle JFK and his father, RFK, were president and senator respectively. And he would say that he wants to get the nomination. He wants to restore the party back to what it was. But in the last month, like in New Hampshire recently, he was talking about how That if the DNC makes it difficult for him that he has to consider all his options. And now a Rasmussen poll from just two days ago shows that 33% of Democrats say they would vote for RFK if he was a third party. From what you've seen on the ground, how would him running as an independent impact the election cycle?

1:42:36 Yeah, the 33 is a dead giveaway. I'm okay. I'm with you It's an op if they're throwing out the 33s all of a sudden from a Rasmussen poll isn't the Rasmussen poll like aren't they like Republican GOP pollsters Kinda yeah, all right. Yeah 33. Yeah sure all right All right, so he's gonna run it. What's happening is that the DNC is not giving in to anything he wants to do. They look at him as a lunatic and they're not gonna let him run as a Democrat or get on any ballots or anything. He's like, okay, what happens if I run as an independent? How do you think you guys are gonna do if I'm running as an independent? Right, he pulls 33% away, apparently. Yeah.

1:43:21 which is nothing to sneeze at, and that's Democrats. I think Joe Rogan said he would vote for Kennedy. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's right up his alley. And Joe Rogan wouldn't not vote for him just because he was a third party. I mean, Joe's no party guy. That's the way it is, I think, with everybody. If Kennedy's on the ballot, he's going to get his votes. In fact, they discussed that in part two. Well, what I find interesting is that every town hall or meet and greet, every tour that I go to,

1:43:56 There's a wide mix of people. There's people who voted for Biden, President Biden in 2020. There's people who supported President Trump in 2016 and 2020. He has a wide spectrum of political supporters. I think from what they've said, they said they'll support him regardless of whether he's a Democrat or an independent. I think a lot of Republicans, if he decided to run as a Republican, I think he would do well in that primary. It's just he talks about how it's a movement. That's what he's trying to create. From what I've seen about being heavily involved in covering it, it just seems like that's accurate. There's a lot of enthusiasm regardless of where he goes.

1:44:37 And speaking of that wide net of support that he gets, one picture he posted recently getting a lot of attention is with Pierce Brosnan, former James Bond glory. This was at a fundraiser. From what you've seen, what other celebrities appear to be backing him? Tulsi. Well, when you're a Kennedy, obviously you have a natural fit for ties to celebrities. But he, RFK Jr., is married to Sheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusiasm fame. And so he has a big network and they live in Los Angeles. So Pierce Brosnan, he recently had a fundraiser with Eric Clapton performing and that raised $2.2 million for his campaign. Alicia Silverstone just came out and endorsed him. And a funny thing, Woody Harrelson was photographed with RFK Jr. and took a lot of heat.

1:45:33 And I had asked him about that and he said that, well, he probably doesn't even know he's taking heat because he's off the grid. He's not on social media. So I don't think it could hurt. I don't know in today's climate. I don't know if it helps or not. He is getting a lot of support from well-known people. If I may just say this guy's report is lame. I could have given you that report, but I get the point. That's the point. We don't need any of these clips. We can do the whole thing. But this is just confirmation of what's going on, especially within the op. And now they got the Hollywood celebrities on board, which is just says to me, OK, this is this we're getting there. Well, and I will reiterate that the fact that Cheryl Hines has not been strung up, drawn and quartered and throw in thrown in stocks

1:46:31 for being married to this horrible anti-vaxxer Joe Rogan loving loser says that something is up. something's up. I think part doesn't we don't get into it too much more at the last clip, but it's kind of interesting. And what is the significance or impact that you see these celebrities seeming to back him have, especially due to some of our kids juniors more controversial stances say on vaccines? Well, that seems to be contrary, doesn't it? It seems like Hollywood is all in on COVID vaccines and COVID mandates. It just seems that way. California as a whole

1:47:09 I don't know. I can't really say whether that will help or hurt, but I think that just goes to show he has a wide spectrum of support that you otherwise wouldn't think. Like, obviously, President Trump has strong support by his base, but that's a base that is pretty much conservative. RFK Jr's support seems to go all ways and that's you could throw in the Hollywood crowd is that's just interesting that he has that support. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think he he would only help Trump win if he ran third party. Well, one of these days, you have to remember that Abraham Lincoln basically ran third party. Well, I wasn't around that time.

1:48:01 But the parties do have the opportunity to lose. If he ran third, yeah, I'm looking at it would think, yeah, that's what's gonna happen or Trump or whoever, it might not even be Trump, could be somebody else. But it's possible that him running third party, I mean, it's just to put the screws to the Democrat Party to tell him, you know, to bring him on board is this threat. But it's a real threat. Yeah, it's more of a threat than the one with Joe Manchin and the so whatever that other well here's what I'm saying So Trump has tremendous support right now And I think it's bleeding over way beyond MAGA country and the main thing that he's saying is I will Initiate the the biggest deportation this country has ever seen which I think is hitting the hot buttons right now

1:49:01 When you say that, people are paying attention. Particularly people who, I don't know, want jobs and see some Venezuelans going in front of them. DeSantis is hitting Trump at the Vax level. No Vax! I'm against Vax! I can't, you know, he's, he's, that's the only spot he can hit Trump is about the Vax. And how's that working? Well, Trump has what, 50% to his 15 or something? And then to have the op come in I don't know. He's still a Democrat, John. He's, you know, all talk and all... I've heard his solutions. He wants a giant loan program for people to buy homes and none of it sounds... I mean, he's saying all the right things. Like, everything's corrupt, but I don't really hear solutions from him.

1:49:51 And maybe, maybe, I mean it's a stretch, but maybe America will pay attention this time. I don't know. I mean, who am I kidding? But I'm... Well, we don't need another Democrat, bud. So there's that aspect to it. But as, you know, as the guys that got an appeal, he's appealing. He says the right things. He's got panache. Panache! Well, if he's an op, then he can only be an op to help Trump get elected and then become Trump's attorney general. Now that would be an op. Wow, I didn't think of that one. How about that one? You like that? That's a good one. You like that? You like that? Yeah. Well, if he is an op, that's what you want to do with him. You want to put him in some position where he could put the reins on Trump. An attorney general is that perfect job. That would be a good one.

1:50:52 And there was something interesting that popped up about the CIA versus DIA. Did you see the latest Seymour Hersh? Substack? No. So just to reiterate Seymour Hersh Award-winning journalist, but once he started to say stuff like Obama's no good. I'm just paraphrasing And the war the war in Iraq and war Afghanistan is bogus. They de-platformed and he became a kook Am I characterizing that right? He became a kook overnight. He's like anybody else who turns on the Democrat Party. A cult.

1:51:29 The cult goes after him and he's one of them. I mean, that's why you don't see Ray McGovern anymore on any of these shows. And just there's a slew of these guys that were just blackballed, blacklisted. And he I think he was only he was being published by the London School of Books or something. And the London Book Journal of Book Review or something like that. Yeah. So and so he totally got a view of books. Yeah. Totally marginalized the platform. But But I think you and I have always liked his stuff, and although he sometimes seems to go a bit far, I see no evidence other than his assessment of what happened to Nord Stream as being true and correct. And now he wrote this piece, it's called Zelensky's Bad Moment. And it starts off actually by saying as we're coming up on the anniversary, it's already been a year, of the destruction of Nord Stream 1 and 2.

1:52:26 He states here that the CIA is getting pretty mad because the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, has the ear of the White House and is saying, oh no, everything's great, you know, we're doing pretty good, the offensive is working, it's going slow, but the offensive is working. And the CIA is saying, no it's not, it's failed. In fact, I have it here, There were some early Ukrainian penetrations in the opening days of the June offensive, this is from an official, at or near the heavily trapped first of Russia's three formidable concrete barriers of defense. The Russians retreated to sucker them in and they all got killed.

1:53:14 After weeks of high casualties and little progress along with horrific losses to tanks and armored vehicles, which I have seen throughout the past few months, I have just on telegram and signal have received video after video of these great tanks that Germany and everyone else gave to Ukraine being destroyed. After weeks of high casualties and little progress, along with horrific losses to tanks and armored vehicles, major elements of the Ukrainian army without declaring so virtually cancelled the offensive. The two villages that Ukrainian army recently claimed as captured are so tiny they could fit between two Burma shave signs.

1:53:56 And now that's a call back to... There's a reference for you. You want to explain the Burma shave signs? Yeah, they used to be when... Highways were opened up, where cars could actually travel in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, when people were traveling cross-country a lot. This company named Burma Shave would put up this sign, they'd go to a farmer and you'd be driving through the middle of nowhere and there'd be a, and if you're a kid, you would really perk up when you saw these signs and it would be a series of about five or six signs. In a row.

1:54:31 in a row and they're all, you know, they're spaced far enough apart that you could read them because you're driving at 60 miles an hour. So there'd be one sign that says something, it was like a teaser and then there'd be another line, a line, a line, a line. There'd be about five and then there'd be some sort of a joke, a punchline at the end and then at the very, very end of these signs would be a sign that had the Burma Shave logo and it just said Burma Shave. And these were everywhere across the country and they were very funny and kids and parents would read the signs as you zoomed by each one. It was like it was a highlight of driving in the middle of nowhere, middle of mid-America. So the... These signs have all been knocked over and gone. I think they became collectible. I'm surprised you don't have one in the house somewhere. I am too.

1:55:25 So the point being that the actual ground that they've captured is very, very tiny. And the CIA, they gave up... and you know, Hirsch has sources, he has informants, he's cultivated these sources over what, a 50-year career or something? It's amazing what he's done. Since the 60s. And he says the CIA, they gave up after their... so I'll read verbatim. Putin did something stupid no matter how provoked by violating the UN Charter and so did we, meaning President Biden's decision to wage a proxy war with Russia by funding Zelensky and his military. Now this is a source quote. And so now we had to paint him black with the help of the media in order to justify our mistake, referring to a secret disinformation operation that was aimed at diminishing Putin undertaken by the CIA in coordination with elements of British intelligence.

1:56:24 The successful operation led major media outlets here and in London to report that the Russian president was suffering from varied illnesses that included blood disorders and serious cancer. One off-quoted story had Putin being treated by heavy doses of steroids. Not all were fooled. The Guardian skeptically reported in May of 2022 the rumors spanned the gamut. Vladimir Putin is suffering from cancer or Parkinson's disease. But many major news organizations took the bait. In June 2022, Newsweek splashed what it billed a major scoop citing unnamed sources saying that Putin had undergone treatment two months earlier for advanced cancer. Putin's grip is strong but no longer absolute. The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense. Everyone sensing that the end is near.

1:57:15 So that was the end of the CIA's involvement because of course that failed because it was a lie and it wasn't true. And they tried to, you know, remember the CIA saying, oh yes, tens of thousands of Russians are reporting to us and they're all going to help us get rid of Putin. Yeah, that was a good one. It shows you how pathetic it all really is. And so now we're just now lying to send these long-range missiles which I guess we're gonna shoot them into, I guess they're 300 kilometers, we're gonna shoot them into, you know, occupied territory and do some damage that way. Mostly Crimea. Right, oh, Crimea.

1:57:52 And what Kersh is saying is this war is over. There is no more war. And I think what comes into play now is Russia just sits where they are in the demilitarized zone because it's filled with landmines and cluster bomb, cluster munition. Poland possibly takes over some of West Ukraine. They would love to. And meanwhile, we've got the ambassador for the charge de mission, so kind of the ambassador to Ukraine, what's this jimok's name? William Taylor. And he's just trying to propagate the message that the White House and the Defense Intelligence Agency want you to hear so that we can keep sending money to

1:58:42 to the military-industrial complex. It's becoming so blatantly clear. Joining us now is former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor. This is CNN again. He is the Vice President of the Russia and Europe Center at the U.S. Institute of Peace. Thank you, sir, so much for being here. When you see this... The U.S. Institute of Peace. What an oxymoron. ...conflict among the U.S. the congressmen and congresswomen. And you have Zelensky there saying, I cannot get this done without your help. What in the end happens here? What do you see happening to Ukraine? Will this just be a war that just almost a forever war at this point in this kind of stalemate?

1:59:23 I don't think so. I think that number one, there's actually some progress on the ground. I think there's some progress on the ground. In the southern part of Ukraine. Did he just do that again? Or did you do that? Yo!

2:00:10 I don't think so. That's their goal and there's some indication that that's having some success. Some indication? No indication. Some indication. In the last couple of days we're seeing reports of that, number one. Number two, I expect in the end this assistance package like all the previous assistance packages will be approved by Congress. This is the 24 billion dollar assistance package that is being used as a political football for the pending gloom and doom of a shutdown of government. If you put this to a vote in both houses, you're going to get bipartisan support, good majorities. And the question is how to get it to the vote. But smarter people than I will get that done. When they actually vote, it will pass. He sounds really confident. That brings me to the Rand Paul clips. All right.

2:01:07 He went on for 11 minutes. I have three excerpts. And this is, to me, I think, kind of a watershed moment, at least, well, of course, he's anti-war, but listen to Rand Paul's screed number one. I rise to put the leadership of the House, the Senate, and the President of the United States on notice. I will not consent to any expedited passage of any spending bill that provides any more American aid to Ukraine. It's as if no one has noticed that we have no extra money to send to Ukraine. Our deficit this year will exceed $1.5 trillion. Borrowing money from China to send it to Ukraine makes no sense. It's not as if we have some sort of rainy day fund sitting around, trillions of dollars in a pot of money and we're just going to send that to Ukraine. We're going to borrow it.

2:01:59 When we borrow it and create new money to pay for that borrowing, we create the inflation that is plaguing our economy. See, he mixed his messages. I like the idea of why borrow from China to give to Ukraine? That's smart. But then he confused it. He should have just stuck with Why print it and create inflation? He just, because that's the truth of it. But for some reason he had to throw China in there. I think that was a mistake. He has to get China in there. Because there's a lot of people that think that China is financing everything. It's a mistake. It's a mistake. It could be. But you know, it's a good, but he goes on and now he has a nice little

2:02:37 little complaint about the war itself in part two. Since the beginning of Russia's war in Ukraine, the American taxpayers provided Ukraine with $113 billion. Over the 583 days of war, between February 24th, 2022 and the end of the month, that averages $6.8 billion per month or $223 million per day. There's a lot of things that we need to fix in our country before we borrow money to try to perpetuate a war in another country. When will the aid requests end? When will the war end? Can someone explain what victory in Ukraine looks like? President Biden certainly can't. His administration has failed to articulate a clear strategy or objective in this war. And Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive has failed to make meaningful gains in the East.

2:03:34 With no clear end in sight, it looks increasingly like Ukraine will be yet another endless quagmire funded by the American taxpayer. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then he does do the thing that the other guy kind of suggested is a no-brainer, but Rand Paul thinks it's a bad idea and here he pitches about the fact that they are going to shut down the government unless we give Ukraine more money. And now there are those in the Senate and who would hold the federal government hostage by inserting $24 billion more for Ukraine.

2:04:09 They're talking about saying the only way government stays open, the only way we avoid a shutdown is by shoveling more American taxpayer dollars to Ukraine. They're going to link keeping the government open with more money to Ukraine and I'm here to say that I'm not going to agree to it and I will not let them shut down the government simply because they want to send more of your hard-earned tax dollars to Ukraine. This of course is the right message, but I think that Taylor here, the former ambassador, I think he has it right. He says, oh no, people much smarter than me are going to bring this to the vote. And it will pass because he knows the power. He knows how everyone, with the exception of Rand Paul, maybe one other,

2:04:54 is completely corrupted by money for the military-industrial complex. It has to pass. It's not about Ukraine, as he says, Ukraine. No, it's about the money. The money. You make a great point in the sense of if it could get to the House floor, the requisite number of votes are there. Period. End of story. In the United States Senate, the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is certainly there. There is no bigger supporter or more, I think, bigger defender than Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. I think that's why the dynamic is It's so interesting right now because the tone felt different yesterday than when I was in Washington for when President Zelensky came for his first visit outside of Ukraine at the end of last year, for the video remarks to the joint session of Congress a month after the war. That tonal shift, what do you think is behind that?

2:05:50 So, Phil, it's been a long time. The Ukrainians have been fighting for 19 months. The United States has been supporting for 19 months. That's a long time to maintain that kind of focus and intensity. The Ukrainians have no choice. They have no choice but to defend themselves. They are under attack every day, every day. And it's up to us to maintain our support. And so I think that long-term support, I was just in Ukraine last week and it's the same thing. It's a grim determination. When I was there a year ago, it was enthusiastic because the counteroffensive was going so well. Now the counteroffensive is going, but it's not as dramatic. Wait, wait. We've got a little timeline issue here. Yes.

2:06:41 The counter offensive didn't begin a year ago. No, it didn't even start until the fall, like a couple, like July, June, July, kind of. And they had to keep pushing it off. In fact, they called it the spring offensive. They called it the spring offensive. So this guy's just full of it. Of course he is. He's trying, he's a Pentagon guy. He has to make it sound like they're still fighting going on when I believe Hirsch. There's no fighting going on. It's over. But that doesn't mean the money has to stop flowing. That's all that it's ever been about. Just in Ukraine last week, and it's the same thing. It's a grim determination. When I was there a year ago, it was enthusiastic because the counteroffensive was going so well. Now the counteroffensive is going, but it's not as dramatic. And so the grim determination is something we have to support.

2:07:34 Grim determination. What does that mean? That like, I'm gonna die, but I'm determined. Grim determination. One more clip and then we'll get out of this. May I ask you sort of what you think the world is doing as they look at this sort of fight in the United States over this and as this war has ground on, what the message is? You have McCarthy sort of not wanting to be seen with him on camera and then suddenly you see this picture of them behind the scenes standing next to each other. He did not let Zelensky speak to Congress. What is the rest of the world doing and how much of a damage Could this cause in seeing that there is infighting in the United States over whether to help fund this war? Well, Sarah, you're exactly right. In the... You're exactly right. Seeing that there is infighting in the United States over whether to help fund this war.

2:08:30 Well, sir, you're exactly right. In the closed meetings, there apparently was support, even from Mr. McCarthy. Mr. McCaul, the committee chair, Foreign Relations Committee chair, said that Mr. McCarthy was strong support on more actually these ATACMs, these long-range missiles, they were pushing the administration to provide those. So there is that. But you're absolutely right. In public there is this debate. It's not a surprise. People observing the U.S. government and the U.S. political machinations

2:09:11 They under people around the world in particular in Ukraine, they know what's going on here. And again, they they know they can't win this war in the immediate sense without the United States leading this coalition, leading the alliance. So they're counting on this kind of support coming through. They're going to they're going to pass it. They're going to spend the money, John. I don't believe for a second that this is all theater and it's all going to be, oh, Oh, we have to shut down the government. They're liars. All of them. All of them. I'll give Rand Paul, I'll give him a pass. I think he's always been that way. He's always been the one guy.

2:09:50 For as long as I've been doing this show, Rand Paul's always been the one guy. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Yeah, he'd vote no on stuff that would be like 99 to 1. And he would be the one. Who the hell's the one guy? He'd look him up and it was him. And he'd have some great reason for it that nobody else was paying attention or cared. Yeah, well usually it's about the money. But this is where we go down the tubes, man. We're going down the tubes! It's not good. It's not this is not the way to go. But meanwhile, they knew the Pentagon who we still have been waiting for them to pass an audit.

2:10:31 That'll be the day. Well, well. They won't even, in fact, Rand Paul and that long thing, people should look this up, it's a long screen. He goes on and on about the fact that they've tried, he's tried, and others have tried to pass any bill whatsoever to get some oversight on the money going to Ukraine so we can audit that money. And it won't get passed. No, no, no, just send the money, who gives a shit what happens to it? Well, the comptroller, the comptroller, the Pentagon comptroller, Gregory Little, has good news for us. It's very good news. To make sense of all the provisions, they have created an AI program, codename Game Changer, to gain better visibility and understanding across our various budgets. And he's very excited about this.

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2:15:20 She's the one that introduced him to the Egyptians who then started to... She's not innocent as far as I'm concerned. No, she's also indicted. Oh good, well, then that makes sense. So instead... There's two other guys, him and her, just four people indicted for the scandal. You want to do this? And yeah, money sewn into jackets. Sewn into jackets, a Mercedes convertible and a kilo of gold. I like the kilo of gold. So instead we just ask for value return for the value we provide. But we'll take a kilo of gold. We'll take a kilo of gold, yeah absolutely. We'll take a kilo of silver. We don't care. I mean gold better, but silver is fine. So we see the value, people see the value.

2:16:08 For 16 years almost, in October, people have been saying, thank you, it's a very valuable program. And they send that value back in a multitude of ways by being producers. Everybody's a producer, hitting people in the mouth, giving us clips, giving us artwork. Let's talk about that for a second. The artists who, not only do they provide artwork for every single episode, they take feedback and criticism quite well. And I think that... They do? Yeah. Except on No Agenda Social. That's weird. I think they do. I think they do. Well, we were able to pick a piece for episode 1592 titled Vermox, which I don't know if anyone took the time outside of the people who listen to the show to look up what Vermox is, but we thought it was kind of an interesting title, so we ran with it.

2:16:58 But the artwork was done by Matt Boisvert. It was a really nice piece, we both agreed kind of quickly. It was the F-35 pilot who was parachuting out. I wish I have an update actually from an actual... No, but you know, it says we're doing bonus stuff during the donation segment. I have the 911 call he made supposedly. He supposedly made from after he landed in someone's backyard. We have a military jet crash. I'm the pilot. We need to get rescue rolling. I'm not sure where the airplane is. It would have crash landed somewhere. I ejected.

2:17:41 I'm on the way, give me just a moment sir. I don't see where my weight is going. Yeah, water will be good. Alright. Okay, how far did he fall? It was at 2000 feet. Wow, I have a better recording than that. That was... How hard did you... or how far did you fall is her question. Yes. What does that got to do with the price of anything? Well if you listen to the whole call, the whole thing is weird. It's well, yeah, there's some thought that it was actually a female pilot. This was just a scam that might be but I now have because I have the ends from an F-35 pilot from the 30 F-35 pilots that this pilot flew into who apparently was a very Was a experienced pilot flew into bad weather Had a total display failure and at that point you become very disoriented

2:18:37 It's called the leans, I've had it happen to me. And if you don't have instruments that are working, which seems to every aircraft that I've ever been in, even the modern ones, if they have a glass cockpit, they still have a small gyro and an airspeed indicator that is completely separate, which is mechanical. You don't, and it has its own battery for lighting. And I can't get an answer whether the F-35 has one backup system with gyro and, you know, for your attitude, like an artificial horizon and your airspeed indicator. If you don't have that in these planes, yeah, you're going to punch out because you don't know, you think you'll be upside down. You may be upside down when you think you're flying straight. So I don't, I'm not buying any of that. I think this is a design flaw.

2:19:28 This thing is a turkey. Well, that's what everybody seems to think. That's what everybody's saying. Send him to Ukraine. There you go. So let's take a look at what else we had for the previous episode. Less AI. In fact, Comic Strip Blogger was apologizing on No Agenda Socialist. I'm sorry, I'll only do one AI from now on. Then we had some actual pieces. I wouldn't say that they were all great. But they weren't AI generated. The Lincoln one I liked, I think was probably AI. Yes, that's why we didn't use it. No, that's not why. Yeah, it is. I said it's AI. You didn't like it. I said it's AI, I didn't like it. No, I think there was a sag after. Things just weren't quite hitting, but sometimes it can be really funny.

2:20:25 I marginally liked Matt, well it was another Matt Boisvert, his Good for $33 Trillion, an IOU, right, you know, and then funny enough, Comicstripblogger had the F-35 witness screaming against a goat, I'm not quite sure that that hit home. We had a A peach in a banana court. Who did that one? Punch in the podcast. I don't know. Then there's, you know, there's no Parker Pauly. There's no way we're going to put Federman on our album art. This is not going to happen. How many times do we have to say these things? We're not going to put ugly people on the front of our podcast art.

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2:22:41 Screw your freedom is one of them. Okay. F cancer, R2D2 karma and Arnold screw your freedom and close the birthday gift for myself. This donation brings me to Duchess. May I now be known as Duchess Kim, keeper of the nutty fluffers. And can I please, can I please get a biscuit for my birthday? We'll give you that right away. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I also wanted to mention something about our wonderful IRS, Internal Revenue Service. Besides their outstanding hold music, you are told that they appreciate you being a customer.

2:23:18 I did not know there were other options. Thank you so much for all that you two do. You both are invaluable. Before I found no agenda, I was living under my bed with my tin foil hat on. Now I can go out in public, tin foil hat still firmly in place, and see all the loons around me. Thank you for your free speech. Duchess Kim, keeper of the Nutty Fluffers, Hubbard, Oregon. $2,000 in a check form, which we appreciate since there's no PayPal fee. Thank you very much, Kim, and we will see you with your title upgrade in just a little bit. Thank you so much. And let me give you your required and requested jinglage. Hold on a sec. There we go. Screw your freedom. Okay. And then she needed the F-cancer karma. You've got karma.

2:24:17 That wasn't R2-D2, was it? That was R2-D2. Sounded almost like Dilk Karma. Thanks for everything you guys do. I've been listening since before Trump got elected and I'm much saner for it. In fact, for the last seven years, I've been hearing Adam's thoughts on SSRIs and always thought, nope, I need them and they are great, at least for my situation.

2:24:59 Yes, well as of about two months ago. I'm off my SSRI and I feel like I've come out of a fog Without getting into details life is much better, and I'm happier I wanted to share my experience so that other listeners on the fence can think about it Please play the first bit of we don't talk about Brandon and give me a Trump's job karma for the promotion I'm fighting for. Lastly, on a Latter-day Saint, as a Latter-day Saint in Utah, which is what they prefer being called, so I'm surprised you used the Mormon reference, which is

2:25:36 It's not cool anymore. Last year as a Latter-day Saint in Utah, I'd appreciate it if you would bring some green jello and cherry... What? That's funny. This is what you eat when you're a Mormon, green jello and cherry Coke to the round table. Actually, a lot of real Mormons don't ever have a Coke because it has caffeine in it. So there you go. I guess that's just the one time for the cherry Coke. A ginger ale would suffice for the future round. Okay, he's referencing the caffeine. P.S. easily the funniest thing I've ever experienced is when whilst role-playing Adam told John to stay safe and John responded, go F yourself! I had to pull over!

2:26:25 I was laughing so hard. That was a good one. I think that made the... There was another one. A couple of those. You had one today. You're genius. We'll play a little bit of it. That's what he wanted to hear. Jobs, jobs, jobs. You thought. Karma. A tribute to the people who eat lime jello with a fruit cocktail mixed into it. There you go, there's your dessert.

2:27:04 Thomas Balmer is in Iowa City, Iowa. 333.49 in the morning. John and Adam, the best podcast in the universe has been killing it lately, despite the well-documented lack of donations. Please add my son Nolan to the belated birthday list. September 12th, he was 17th. Also, I'll hit 49 on the 25th of this month. Thanks for all you do. That's tomorrow. You got it, Thomas. You're on it. Sir CB in Harris, Minnesota. 333.33. ITM Jens, this is a switcheroo. Those donations for the value for value from the Goat Karma Products Local 33 meetup. SirEagleEye won the raffle for the executive producer's ship. Please credit it to him. A great day was had by all. 73's Katie0VIX.

2:27:49 Sir Seabee, the baronet of the builders. I think it's VJX, a little hard to see on the font. Oh, I'm sorry. Scott the Welder's in Brooklyn, New York, 33333. Please accept this modest donation for the incredible service you guys provide. My father has been in the hospital for the past six weeks dealing with a decubitus ulcer. Whatever it is doesn't sound good. You know what this is to cubitus de cubitus cubitis de cubitus Doesn't sound good. I guess not only that but it's one of the worst the hospital has ever seen He has many months to go after five surgeries requesting prayers You got it healing thoughts and good vibrations from everyone and get my nation for my pops along with some health and goat karma Also today is my birthday. My good friend our hero always said you are responsible for your own orgasm

2:28:39 Oh, what a great friend. So give me a biscuit for the birthday. Oh, he wants a whole load on top of it. Okay. Do we have a whole load? We've got a whole load for you and we'll give you that goat karma. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I'm going to give you the whole load today. You've got karma. Peter Eichen Hudson, Wisconsin. I have no note from him. I can't find a note from him three three three dot three three I'm gonna give him a double karma You've got... Karma. Will Gerken checks in from Centennial, Colorado, 333. Where was this crowdfund shoutout on no agenda for Karma-opoly from Sir Mike of Axehead Watchmakers? Did I miss this somewhere? I listen to every donation segment! Unless I'm three plus episodes behind. I can't imagine we'd have trouble coming up with $20,000.

2:29:39 Okay, first of all, I answered him this note and I sent him the link from bingit.io. We most definitely discussed this. So I questioned his sincerity of listening to it. Because you got one and I didn't. And it turned out you had the prototype. Yes. He said I just sent another 333 as promised. Sorry for the delay things have been crazy that brings me to knighthood But I'll send accounting and title claims sometime in the future Like I said, things are crazy had to make some time to pay you and John we appreciate it Will and I with things being so crazy understand why you might have missed a donation segment. It's okay brother. Thank you so much

2:30:16 The Indie No Agenda Tribal Meetup in Greenwood, Indiana. 917 Indie NA Tribal Meetup is raffle switcheroo donation on behalf of Dame Swanee. In the morning from Dame Swanee and please give me some goat karma. Hope to see you in Indie at one of our No Agenda Meetups. Which you promised to go to. I'm going. You've got karma. Yeah, I hate to do this to you, but I think you need to do this next one because it's our last. Linda Lou Patkin! There it is. Lakewood, Colorado.

2:30:58 Jobs Karma for a resume that gets results go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's imagemakersinc with a k dot com. Or just find Linda Lou Patkin under the show's producer list. Long live no agenda! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! And this concludes our executive and associate executive producers not a long list today. We appreciate it though Thank you. These credits are real. They are also forever They last for as long as you live and beyond that of course depends on where you put them So we recommend IMDB where you'll see we have 800 producers who have claimed their production credits for different episodes of the show along with some really

2:31:41 really interesting Hollywood big wigs put it in your LinkedIn profile put it on your resume if anyone ever questions you will be more than happy to vouch for you thank you very much for being executive associate executive producers of episode 1593 our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth And John's going to take us through to the 50s and we'll get to our nightings, our title changes, and of course, meetup reports. We've got quite a few today. Sir Loud Pipe starts us off in Charlotte, North Carolina, $197.70. These lot of job requests, job karma, I'll put you that at the end. Paul Daniels in Fort Graysh- there's a way of pronouncing this.

2:32:38 Degrassi, RATIOT Township, Michigan needs a de-douching. You've been de-douched. He came in with 150 also 110 dollars from Jamie Palacio in Clifton, Virginia. 110 in field. 100 Sir Lineman in Illinois. 100. He's got a bunch of 33s coming at him. Brady in Lee's Summit, Missouri, 99-33. Jason Marrer in Vancouver, Washington, 8-008. Kevin McLaughlin, the Archduke of Luna, lover of American boobs, comes in with 8-008 to promote breast vine melons.

2:33:35 Sir Boober in Nevada, Iowa 8008. This is his quarterly boob donation. Gary Blatt in Wayne, Pennsylvania 7777. Thomas Ekman in San Francisco, California 68. Kevin McLaughlin, again in Concord, North Carolina, the Archduke of Luna. Papino Melon, I've had these melons. Papino Melon. This is Papino, 6006, that's small boobs. David Jarman in North Tora, Murrah in Australia, New South Wales. Ed Schwartzman in

2:34:19 South Miami, Florida 5784 needs a de-douching You've been de-douche Scott Barrett in Fort Johnson, Louisiana 5510 Herbert Garrett 5510 says double nickels on the dime from Raleigh, North Carolina surprise surprise in Yukon, Oklahoma 5444 Forrest Martin 5005 and now we have the $50 donors. I'm just gonna do the names and locations Run through them starting with Sir Patrick Maycombe in New York City, Robert Hanna in Poway, California, or Poway, I think it's pretty sure Poway. Tatiana Prince in Hollywood, Florida.

2:34:59 Michael Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Donald Locke in Pottsville, Pennsylvania. Michael Romano in Sebastopol, California. Greg Huff in Austin, Texas. Gaucho Woodworking in Redondo Beach. Gaucho Woodworking. By the way, they have a nice site. Kate, I should get some stuff from them. Kate Haskell in San Rafael, California. Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California. Alex, David Perdue in Snow Hill, North Carolina. Samuel Cannarday in North River City.

2:35:35 Riverside, Illinois Brian Hummel in Wimberley, Texas Charles Boyd in San Marcos, Texas Andrew Butterfield in Bettendorf, Iowa and a lot of 50s today Diego Lopez crane in Ithaca, New York Herbert J. Ratter in New York City Wes Stewart in Mesa, Arizona birthday coming up for somebody in the Stephen Crummey family in El Cajon Michael Statham, parts unknown. And last on the list is Tracy Sullivan in Tinley Park, Illinois. I want to thank these people for making show 1593. We're getting close to 1600. A happy reality. Yes, thank you to these producers, our executive and associate executive producers. We got our night's note from James Jackson.

2:36:27 who sent, he became an instant knight on the last show. He sent, we got his note so he'll be knighted today and he humbly requested... You've been de-douched. And from this day forward he shall be known as Sir James of the Rolling Hills. God bless. Jingo requests, Big Baller, PS go Cowboys. Baller! And as always thanks everyone under 50 typically for reasons of anonymity $49.99 is a big one that we see when people are doing that anonymously but also people who are on our

2:37:03 many sustaining donations. You can make one up yourself. We have 1111s, 1212s, 33s, all kinds of groovy ones which you can find at our donation website. Please go there and support the show with some value in return. It's a birthday, birthday of Nolan the Champion. Thomas Ballmer wishes his son Nolan a happy belated birthday. It was on the 12th. Sir Bing of the BMWs and Bulldogs, happy birthday to his smoking hot wife Jennifer Roediger and she turned 41, well she turned 41 today.

2:37:40 Thomas Palmer turns 49 tomorrow, Stephen Crummer celebrates on October 2nd, Duchess Kim is celebrating as is Scott the Welder, and belated happy birthday to my sister-in-law Toni Dockery and my mother-in-law Pat Alanise. And happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe! There's never douchebaggery when it comes to a title change. As you heard earlier, Countess Kim came in big today and really supported the show and she now becomes, well, she becomes Duchess Kim, Keeper of the Nutty Fluffers. Thank you so much, Duchess Kim, we appreciate that. And we shall for now, forevermore until you change that, call you by your official title, Duchess Kim.

2:38:29 Two knightings to go, of course James and Matt. So we got a sword here, which I like this sword. This is the one. Oh, that's the bejeweled heft. Oh, nice. I like that a lot. Careful now. Don't want that jewel to pop out. James Jackson, Matt Dubois, off both Both of you have become knights of the Noah Jenner Round Table today thanks to your support of the show and the amount of $1,000 or more and I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate Lee as Sir James of the Rolling Hills and Sir Mormon Millennial. Gentlemen, for you we've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, of course Green Jello and Cherry Coke.

2:39:06 Harlots and Haldol, pepperoni rolls and pale ales, cowgirls and coffin varnish, Geist and Sake, we got vodka, vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts. We have breast milk and pablum, ginger ale and gerbils, big favorite. And of course, as always, the mutton and mead. And while you're... sampling the green jello and cherry coke, go to noagenderrings.com, take a look at those handsome knight and dame rings. Only you two get them today, so use the handy sizing guide to send that to us along with your address. And of course, that will come complete with wax to seal your important correspondence. It is after all a signet ring and an official certificate of authenticity. No Agenda Meetup!

2:39:52 Now you'll recall we had a lot of meetups on last Thursday on the 21st, so I expected to have quite a number of meetup reports, which we have. However, unless you have an enormous amount of people like Indiana, there's no reason your meetup reports have to be over a minute long. with funky stuff. I don't have time to edit all this stuff so keep it within reason folks please. Arlington Virginia let's start with them. Hey this is DC girl at the location of the first Arlington meetup that took place five years ago. Today we are celebrating our special guest for

2:40:32 Sir Sean of Slovakia and his smoking hot wife, Bara, in the morning. And Slovakia, we don't even know if it's a real country. It could be on the order of Narnia or Brigadoon or Wakanda for all I know. I've not seen any evidence that it exists. This is roundy. This is Jacob, everybody. Glad to be here at my second meetup. Use Bitcoin. Hey, this is Sir William of West Pennsylvania and Sir Sean shows up in DC the same time as Zelensky. Coincidence? I think not. This is Sir Sean of Slovakia with his smoking hot wife Sir Nada Dame Bara enjoying a hell of a meetup and thanks to DC girl and Roger for setting this up. What a great time.

2:41:20 This is Jeff from Springfield. Me Too is back, baby! Hey there, this is Srini Murthy. Some people call me Wala Damur, but my name is Srini. Hey, JC, do you remember that? His name is Srini, but my name is Mike White. Coming at you from Arlington. It's been great meeting everybody. I also promised CSB that I would shout him out as one of my favorite people on the internet. At CSB on Mastodon and Twitter or csb.lol. Follow me. Henry hailing from Alexandria. I promised I would. The Spooks in Arlington. Thank you for your meetup report. Dick Spurt,

2:42:04 All right, it's Sir CB and Sir Dixpert here in Wyoming, Minnesota at the Cornerstone Pub and Prime with the Goat Karma Producers Local 33 meetup. The return of Sir Dixpert. Sir Dixpert. Adam, John, can't tell you how much fun I had. And now this meetup has a spook. Don't drop. Adam, John, this is Dame Jodi of the 10 Key. In the morning! In the morning. This is Peter with Dame Jodi LaTanke going for the hat trick. Circuitous route of the scooter clubs.

2:42:41 I want the dude scream, karma. Hi, Tim, Adam and John. Sir Eagle Eye here providing feed forward to the Millennials in the group. Anonymous Jamie here. Great meetup. Thanks, gents. Hi, this is Katie. I'm Sir CB's former sugar mama. Now I'm just the cabana girl. Hey, John and Adam. It's Clinton. This is my first meetup. It was a good time. Wrap it up, John. All right. That's it from the Cornerstone Pub and Prime in Wyoming, Minnesota. Come on next time, watch the meetups website and we'll get her done. Have a good night. In the morning! Yes, thank you very much. And we go to... Don't forget your code! Oh yes, kilo 5 alpha Charlie Charlie. Thank you very much. And we go to Los Angeles for Leo Bravo, Flight of the No Agendas. Hey everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 44.

2:43:28 Folks have something to say, here we go. COVID. In the morning. Happy birthday, Jesse. In the morning, this is Jesse, half jacked. In the morning, this is Eric. Cermetic Mike in the morning. In the morning. We're almost out of blow, but it's still a party. In the morning. Oh my goodness. They are very rowdy over there in Los Angeles. Now to Rosarito, Mexico. Hey, this is Brian of London and I'm at the Rosarito meetup in Mexico and people came. Let's hear from Jesse. Hello, this is Jesse. I'm in Rosarito with Brian of London having the time of our lives in the morning, gentlemen.

2:44:26 In the morning, this is Starkers from Hivefest Freedom Meetup. We're all no agenda lovers here. Come on down, we're having a great time amongst other freedom lovers. There's others out there. All the best, no agenda, we love you. All right, we love you too. Thank you very much, Sir Brian of London, South Dakota. In the morning, this is Dr. I at the Boots on the Ground meetup in San Diego at the meetery. Hare Krishna. Hi, TM. This is Dame Mama. AI or not AI? You decide. In the morning, Dame Kelly of the Crushed Grapes.

2:45:02 This is Sir Matthew, Black Knight of the Ice Giants. Who needs the hair of the dog when you can drink a mead called the Jackal? Hey, this is Sir Mike. ITM guys. Loving it here with our San Diego No Agenda fans. In the morning, this is Sir Cam. In the morning, this is Halfway Sir. Vic, definitely not a spook. Hey, this is Mike from Santini. I'm definitely not a spook, but I think I've seen a guy or two around here that might glow in the dark. In the morning! And our final one comes from Sonoma, Wino Country. In the morning. Adam and John this is sir recalcitrant crazy Steve the second the Sonoma wino country meetup 2.0 John keep bumping that microphone. I like it Sir Riechmeister here asking everyone are we having fun? It's not a great one sir Casey here at the Meetup here in Sonoma County. Let's have fun everybody

2:46:02 Linda from the Shire of Sebastopol, special thanks to our sir, Councilman Steve and always thanks to John and Adam who are the OG podmasters in a world full of weird podcasts. Okay, Sonoma County, love is lit! Love is lit! This is Max, first meet up in the morning. Tighten it up people tighten it up, please. I had an idea. I don't know what to say Yeah, tighten it up. You know this is sir Preston calling Casey up for stolen valor. He's not a knight Thanks Steve for making this happen

2:46:43 We love you guys. In the morning! There you go, wrapping it up and thanks to SirScovy for his written report about the 33rd annual Knot for Humanity meetup on the 17th. It was a great success. Five in attendance. SirPsychopath who hosted the golf outing. SirLoinSuperFreak of the Cat-Cat-Cat-Catawawa-ba-Wiver-Wiver. Joshua, his smoking hot girlfriend Ciara. And there was much laughter. There you go. Okay, thank you so much. And thank you all for sending in your reports and you can hear that there's something going on. There is a revival of sorts. People are getting together, hanging out, doing things that we all got traumatized about doing during COVID and we all have some form of trauma.

2:47:30 But this is what you need to get back in the game. And no one else is doing this, certainly not for a podcast. But if you do, you'll find that that connection brings you protection. Go to noagendameetups.com. You will not regret it. Find one near you. If you can't, start one yourself. It's really easy. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days Always like a party. Oh man, such a good, good groups. We love that. We're making difference in people's lives. Did you keel over? You still there? Huh? Huh? Huh? ISOs, I got two. Here we go. Clear! I don't think you could hear what they said there.

2:48:31 No. No. How about this one? Uh, science. I kind of like that. Yikes. I thought that was kind of cute. Uh, science. Okay, I have two too. Okay. All right. What you got? Try wow 10. Wow. So yeah, something else. What happened to the ending? How about this one? Do something. There you go. Do something. I'll take it. It's a good one. It sounds good. I like, I like the do something. Top notch. And who that is? Biden. Yeah, of course. I wanted to play a quick couple of clips here because this showed up on American Public Media's Marketplace, which is an NPR program? One of them. Yeah, I think it airs on NPR. No, we should play the... It's one of the public. Yeah.

2:49:26 Elitist Voices of America. This is NPR or PBS. And this is, I thought, a very important clip because it foretells the future of AI and how AI is going to fail. Have you heard of model collapse? No.

2:50:12 inhuman things getting compounded and rolled up, right? Because the AI is being trained on a previous one. So it's kind of learning that weirdness. And then it starts turning into a little snowball. Yeah, it starts to get really bad, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, like it's like if you do it over several generations, you know, the first generation, it's kind of making sense. And the second one, it's starting to, like, you know, just say odd words. An analogy might be if you were to take a famous painting or a photo like like the Mona Lisa or you know, a picture of King Kong on top of the Empire State Building and you were to photocopy it and then photocopy the photocopy and then photocopy the photocopy. Eventually it starts to sort of look... The guy's got a weird cadence. What is this guy? Oh, they both are weird. No, they're both very weird, but they're just trying to make...

2:51:00 They're trying to explain in very simple terms what model collapse is. State building. And you were to photocopy it. And then photocopy the photocopy. And then photocopy the photocopy. Eventually it starts to sort of look really weird because the photocopy is sort of, you know, 99% accurate but that 1% inaccuracy will change maybe the contrast or the color, make it a little too white, a little too black, and then after the hundredth time you've got a really weird looking picture. So first of all, I think your observation is, and I can say this with some certainty, is either Adderall or Vyvanse. That would make a lot of sense for this age group. But this is model collapse where you, you know, the, in the case of the type of AI you've been playing around with, where you type in some words, it creates an image.

2:51:43 And then you post that image to the internet, either on your social media or in the newsletter, it gets out there. The AI sucks it up again. And then before you know it, you don't have five, six fingers, you got 20 fingers. Everything gets all messed up because the AI keeps learning from its own mistakes. And this has implications. What are the implications of model collapse? Well, the implications are that, you know, maybe all of these language models are over the next few years going to start to become worse and worse and worse, right? That's one possibility. If model collapse is really a serious thing,

2:52:22 and OpenAI and Google and Microsoft and everyone just keeps on scraping the internet and feeding it to train their models. They could get much worse models and we could be using models that answer, you know, even more unpredictably and even wronger than they do now. Wronger? Wronger. Even wronger. I think this is a real problem. I think it's not. Why not? You correct these things somewhere along the line. They're all people known as coders. Ah, no, wait, but that's the beauty of it. Yes, you're right. There is a solution to model collapse. Surprise, it's humans. I doubt that's the way it's going to go because I think all these people that run these models, create these models are going to see this happening and get very worried about it. And they're either going to not release a new model that's, you know, even more deranged than existing models.

2:53:15 They'll probably try and find some way to, they'll find some way to cope with it or fix it, right? Like you could pay humans just to write new prose for you. You could say like, I need a billion more lines of stuff. Please just write stuff, write anything so that we can feed it the model. That's one thing I could do. I'd like to get one of the higher humans to write a billion lines of anything, but okay. Say it again? Well, he said you can hire humans to write a billion lines. I don't think so. He's talking about prose. He's literally saying... Yeah, I know. That's what he said. Yeah. So this whole... But you can't... Nobody writes a billion lines. No, he's on... he's on Vyvanse. The point is that the only way to make AI work, it's not... it can't self-learn. It can't self-learn because it feeds all its mistakes back into itself in a recursive manner and it winds up turning into

2:54:05 Blubber the stuff, please just write stuff write anything so that we can feed it the model You know, that's that that's one thing they could do. The other thing is they could maybe try to Save you know shards of the of the older training data sets and use them to sort of freshen things up There's a lot of different AI techniques you can use and I think they're going to have to lean into Discovering even new ones to cope with this over the next you know, yeah Yeah, no, I I'm all in on this. This, this, and by the way, just shows that AI is bunk. It's bunk. Well, it's not AI, that's for sure. It's just a tech, it's a technology to, you know, iterative technology is used for all kinds of good things. You're an AI- Including our art generator. You're, it's not good things. They're horrible things. They're no good.

2:54:55 Well, talk about no good. I my last clip. Now you don't give a crap about what I'm saying. You just want to get to your last clip. No, no, I do. You're saying I just think it's bull crap. What is a very strong technology is going to have a lot of implications on both the art world and elsewhere. Oh, OK. All right. You know what? It's going to eat the world. We're all going to die. I didn't say that. Give you Elon's number. I think it's going nowhere. This is not going anywhere. It will not have strong implications. We can agree to disagree. New York City RoboCop. Another AI invention. RoboCops in New York City. The NYPD today rolling out a new security robot to patrol around the Times Square subway station. The 420 pound device will be working from 6 in the morning to midnight while accompanied by an actual cop. Here's Mayor Eric Adams announcing the launch at a press conference.

2:55:57 We are committed to exploring innovative tools to continue to make this city the safest big city in America. And this robot K5, it has the potential to serve as an important tool in our toolbox. The robot will be actively recording videos throughout its shift for the NYPD to review. Officials say the machine doesn't have facial recognition and it won't be recording audio. He'll be on duty for two months as a pilot program. What good is it? Well I don't know, it seems to me that's your AI right there. No big implications. No, it's just dumb. It's going to be fantastic. They say don't turn the sound on, heaven forbid you catch hearing anything. And second, why not have facial recognition? The cop can't do it.

2:56:49 I'm still blown away by you saying that AI will have significant implications in the art world. Have you seen the art that we had to moan about because it was so crap? Nobody's using the good stuff. There is no good stuff. There is no good stuff. There's good stuff, believe me. Where's the output of the good stuff? I could send you some links to some stuff that's, you know, got plenty of high quality output. It's just it's astonishing some of it. It's completely destroyed the spot art business for sure. What is spot art business?

2:57:29 Well, when you see, you read an article and there's a little piece of art in the middle just to kind of emphasize aspects of the article. It's called spot art. People scatter spot art throughout lots of generally essays. Wow, that's gonna upset the world. It's a big deal. I used to have a spot art guy when I was at Mac user and they got rid of him and they started using just pull called callouts, which is just blowing up the type real big and I demanded to get my spot art guy back and I did. The spot art will suck up its own spot art and it'll just, the fidelity will fade over time. Yeah, okay, sure. This is a money grab for, this is the new blockchain. No way. I'm just, you know what? To coin a phrase, I'm not buying it. Oops. I don't know why I did that. It's AI. AI. Oh, with AI that wouldn't have happened. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

2:58:34 Oh my goodness. Comic strip blogger, no need to post anything. He's like, there's lots of money to be made in AI if you're an AI programmer. Oh yeah. That's where the money is. Well, we shall see. We shall see. Coming up on noagendastream.com, we have that Larry show, and we have end of show mixes from... See, what do we have here? Somehow something got... Messed up. We have Dee's Laughs and we have Nostradamus. There we go. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region No. 6. I say in the morning to you, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I just realized I'm working with a Luddite, I'm John C. Dvorak.

2:59:29 Twit won't take you back, John, no matter what you try. Remember us at thevorac.org slash NA. We will return on Thursday. Join us for that, will you? Until then, adios mofos, hui hui, and such. Yeah, what's distracting us next? Will it be the wind chill? Maybe the heat index? Ask Adam if it feels like a Texas heat wave. Saying that we have scorched earth? Huh, you don't say.

3:00:05 Wet bulb, dry bulb, thermometer, John C. The environmental inspector, our barometer. Listen to NPR, see how info gets made. Code switching show is an op, to hire the gays. Race of conspiracies with UpSpeak. Trackin' the crazies on the tinfoil beat Never soundin' authentic, reading off of a sheet What can the public even do to withstand the heat? So hot you can't sit outside in the shade Academic public servants really think they got it made I mean, why not? I said we voted for him or her Or so we thought

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3:03:13 Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash N-A. Do something!