Global Warming Denialism

00:00 This wasn't a meteor at all, it was a test firing of an EMF device. Adam Curry, John C. Devorak. It's November 22nd, 2009, time again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, episode 150. This is no agenda. Halfway through Sarah Palin's tome and still able to breathe. And coming to you from the Minimum Security Containment Cell, Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco, California. Good morning. I'm Adam Curry. It's going to rain here in Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Well that was spotty. That was crap! You stepped on me! You broke up! Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I didn't break up here. I sounded perfect here. I sound pretty good myself. On your end, you sound wonderful. Hey, good morning John.

00:57 Top of the morning. Top of the morning, in the morning to you everybody. How you doing? You know that I was playing the show for Will the hairdresser the other day. He loves the show by the way. Who? Will the hairdresser. Okay. And it's funny because you know and I love just... Is he one of the guys that work at our office? No, no, no. It's a guy that Mickey found and he does our hair. We had him do Nick's hair too. It was pretty cool. When you see Nick tell him his hair looks great. I know what to tell him. Okay. Right. And so he loves the show. He loves listening to it. Yeah, for the guys and you tip them more, right? No, no, no, no, no. I love you guys. You guys are the best. No, he's more gay. He's more gay sounding. I like the Austrian thing. I think you should do the gay thing. And what was really interesting is that he

01:53 I get what we're talking about. What do you have on the last show? It's always about me winning the West rep worst-dressed man award But what was interesting you said, you know, wow, you know, it's amazing how you guys spin this worst-dressed man award thing into the whole topic for the morning show I'm like, huh that whole in the morning thing. It really does make people think that we're doing like a morning zoo We are That's what we're doing. I like it. I think we're succeeding. I It's really it's groovy a morning zoo about things that matter. Yes, so instead of Bubba the love sponge So Mickey and I jetted off to Vegas Friday a friend of mine was was attending the casino Expo and Yeah, I don't know yeah, so he was attending the casino Expo and

02:50 Okay, and he's a good friend from the United States. I think it's an appropriate place to have it. Yes, it would make sense. And he said, hey, you know, and he's from from the United Kingdom and he owns a couple clubs and stuff. And so I said, you know what? We're going to come over and see you. And at the airport at SFO, I picked up a copy of Sarah Palin's Going Rogue. You got the right way. You ain't getting going rouge. No, no, no. And so two things, my first experiment was, you know, it's kind of funny because Mickey said, do you want a bag with that? No, actually I want to carry it under my arm and see if anyone responds. No response by the way. I couldn't detect anyone giving me any looks of disgust or anything of the like. And about halfway through it, got to tell you, not bad.

03:42 Okay, not bad. Well if you know, so let's presume a lot of dirt isn't there a lot of no This is what's so interesting. That's what I was expecting. Oh, yeah, not a lot of dirt. Well, not in the first half It's it's oh, who the heck cares? No, I'll tell you what it is because you will care when you read it because it's kind of her own little media assassination Which is what I like about it Assuming that it's true and assuming that she actually wrote it. It is a story of a true all-american girl who is very involved, actually has, as far as I can tell, has quite a bit of executive political chops from very, very small town politics, has gone through kind of all of the different steps, and was completely against party politics, and got fucked because of it. That's what it seems like. And so all these things like Troopergate and the

04:33 burnings. So she explains literally, because this happened many many years ago, she explains how what really happened and how the local press portrayed it. If anything this is an assassination on how piss poor our political journalism is. Well we know that already but did she go into great detail on the fact that she's deep into the separatist movement? No haven't haven't gotten there yet. I wonder if she mentions it at all. I wonder, but you know, again you read this book and you're like, hmm, okay, so that sounds like what was reported was bullshit, and then so how can you believe anything else? And we know that when, coming from a place where I've been in the public eye on a very small scale, and knowing what gets out there and what the memes become, you know, I'm like, okay, I have some compassion for her.

05:28 If anything, I still think women of the United States and of the world should be outraged that she was treated in a completely sexist manner. Well, I agree with that. Completely. Because she's actually probably intelligent. uh... this road book come on to get that stuff that's not easy to do so i'll finish it though i'll have it done by uh... by thursday and uh... you know that but it will be heard the major rattle and uh... major major rattle racial matter of the her racial let's go let's go a racial matter of and and madame marie rocks

06:04 The way they were harping about this minute stuff about the Katie Couric interview, it's clearly such a small piece of the book. But it's cute. You just gotta love a woman who names her kids after airplanes and stuff. Well now I'm glad that you've become a Palin fan. I'm not saying I'm a Palin fan, but I'm glad I'm reading the book and I think everyone should definitely, you know, if someone like this puts a book out, you know, to say, oh, I'm not going to read, like my family, I'm not going to read it, it's not high on my reading list, it's not on my Amazon wish list, then you're a douchebag. You know, you can't, then you should have no place in the conversation. You need to read these things and then form your own opinion.

06:51 I'm reading Lennon. I hear he's gonna be big one day. He has an actual shot. Okay, executive producers. Yes, oh we have more than one. Who's on deck for us? Yeah, we have three. Oh cool. Everybody wanted to get in on the act because this is show as I believe, I believe this is the case, show number 150. That's correct. Episode number 150, yes. So we had people who wanted to be the executive producer for show 150. So we have two associate executive producers and one executive producer as it goes. And we have John Stevens, a Laguna Woods he has actually given before of $200. And Matthew Carey, who is from Eastwood, South Australia. And he gave us 250.

07:49 And then curiously, our executive producer is Lawrence Roik, R-O-I-K, who specifically said he wants to be the executive producer for one show, 150, and he's from Margaret Atwoods. which is also in Australia. In fact we're getting more Australia money than American money. People in Australia are appreciating us more than the locals. Well let me, so let me, let's just set it all up properly. So we have this episode's executive producer of No Agenda 150, Lawrence Royk. R-O-I-K. R-O-I-K. Lawrence, you can put that on your curriculum, you can put on your resume, we'll vouch for you. Please list it properly. Executive producer of the award-winning, nominated

08:31 uh... no agenda show with uh... famous good dudes adam curry and john c dvorak and uh... it would be can actually know it looks good and it can actually get you gates well and the other two get associate executive producer listings that's right matthew kerry and john stevens uh... as well it's not bad it's not bad to be in the associated executive producer because it basically means you know you put up some of the money did none of the work and got all the actresses That's what they do. That's what executive producers do. That's exactly what they do. And everyone knows it in the business, so when you show this on your resume, whoever's on the other side of the table will go, hey, good job dude. Right on. Excellent.

09:18 We have some Mr. Kerry mentioned cabaretconfessional.com. What is that? I don't know. I didn't look at it. I'm afraid to look at it. Will you please remember that we have a couple of make-do's for our producers later on? Yes, we do have one in particular. You have it, I hope. We have a self-imposed layaway night and we have a correction to make. You have those or you don't have those? I don't have. Well, you know, if you don't... you see, you're in charge of the money, you're in charge of all that shit. If you don't take care of... you know, I mean, you're the guy that's supposed to be taking care of it. I'm just kidding. I have to track them. I'm joking. Oh, I'm sorry. We have a bunch of layaway nights. In fact, we have a new night, which is the point. Ah, nice. Well, anyway.

10:08 John, this was a very interesting week in a number of ways. And I would have to say that ClimateGate, which I just love it when we've got a name for it so quickly. Well, that's because gate comes to mind instantly. Yes. Where's the gate? Of course, it's a derivative of Watergate. But do you want to get into it? Sure. Do we have a climate change jingle? You know, we need a climate gate jingle. That's what we need. Very interesting. Of course by now I think everybody knows because I believe every single one of our producers sent at least one version of the link. Everybody said this one. You guys going to talk about this? You're going to talk about this? You're going to talk about this? You're going to talk about this? And then after that you get, in case you haven't received it 10,000 times, here it is again. Yeah, here comes my phone for some reason. That's okay.

11:06 But you know what, I really don't mind. I highly appreciate it. You guys are on the ball. It's just funny because when something happens, it's almost like a gate-o-meter. Your email just becomes gate. It's all gate. And it just flows and then the Twitters come in. It's good. You can really tell that something's hot and people are all over it. It really tells you, well, hold on a second. This is literally on the radar. And this of course is the, are you on the phone? Am I just making up space here? No, I'm right here. There's no place to be. You go. You're on a roll. I'm just filling up space until you're done with your phone call. And so this of course is the, and I have said before, I think on this show maybe a year or two ago, that I firmly believe if we are to be saved, then it's going to be the hackers who are going to do it.

11:57 And my theory or my assertion is kind of coming true because thank God for hackers. You know, you script kiddies out there. You can be doing all kinds of stuff. You can build your little botnets and you can do your denial of service attacks and all of that fun. But when you do stuff like this, when you break into one of the leading sources pushing climate change, which conveniently is a change by itself because of course it used to be called global warming and now it's apparent that when these documents and emails were stolen, which of course I immediately got a copy of and I've spent most of the week pretending to be at work. I'm really busy man, I'm working on that Nutrisystem thing, I got no time for you. I'm reading emails from 1996 from this archive that this hacker took out.

12:54 And it dawned on me first off, this institute, what is the name of this place again, John? I don't have it in front of me. Where the documents were taken from? Yeah, the climate. It's the major place where most of this stuff is done. These are the very same guys, and of course all these stories will be in the show notes at noagendashow.com. These are the very same guys who said, oh, we don't have the raw data of all of the temperature changes because we ran out of disk space. Right. No, the whole thing is to me, this entire episode, which was to be anticipated. Because at some point, you know, these guys, you know, they're yakking amongst themselves. What are you going to do now? These guys say this. What are we going to do about the deniers? I got an idea. What are we going to do about the skeptics, they call them? And of course, in the somebody dreams, I got a great idea. Let's just call them deniers.

13:48 and then we can uh... which reminds me of that other guy this character who just was just being interviewed on uh... on our local, in fact I should have taken some clips from him now that I think about it this guy just wrote a book called deniers or den... you know whatever it is and he was on uh... no no isn't it denialism? denialism! denialism right Denialism. Anyway, he's a real douche. He's a total douche and the fact is is that he was on the Michael on Krasny's public radio show and we know about public radio. And it wasn't like there was nobody, it was not even a back and forth, it was, what else did you find out? What else did you find out? What else did you find out? And this guy's just going on and on about, you know, that how people, they think that there's, they question the flu shot and it's holding back science. And they question this and it's holding back science and they don't want to believe in climate change. It's holding back science. All progress is coming to a standstill because of these, these people.

14:44 You know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking thalidomide is the first thing that comes to mind. What? Well, thalidomide, you know, which was this great breakthrough aspirin substitute that made people have babies with no arms or legs. And that's like, well, you know, if anybody would have questioned it, they would have been a denialist. Oh yeah, of course. Well, the beauty of being called a denialist or a denier is it's a meme that is set specifically to conjure up images of Holocaust denial, which means you are the worst personable scum of the earth possible. Right, it's a transfer word. Transfer word, yeah. It's exactly what it is.

15:24 Yeah, you use this word to bring a certain kind of subconscious feeling, a negative one, based on something that's got nothing to do with this, but you just transfer the word over to something else and then people, oh, you're a denialist, oh, you're a denier, you're a denier. So what's interesting, there's a couple, so it's the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, CRU. And so here's the story that I picked up from October 9th. So this was already kind of on the way. Mid-August, the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data for its global surface temperature data set because of an alleged lack of storage space.

16:10 What did you just go to Costco? Yeah, pick up a couple of gigs. Terabytes. Terabytes. No problem. The thumb drive was full. So we could have known something was happening and maybe in fact that's what spawned this and now we read in some of these emails and documents that they were literally talking about destroying the data. So and by the way, no one has made that connection between those two stories. I haven't seen that I've only you just did yeah Well, of course, that's what we do. In fact, if you really want to know what we do, let me Explain to you exactly what our formula is Our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth

16:53 So of course, the mainstream media or what is increasingly becoming fringe since how many people actually read the New York Times? Lame stream they call it. Lame stream. Oh that's a good one. Lame stream media. So, what's interesting is how this will be presented to the public at large because on the internet, you know, we're on the cusp, we're not quite over the tipping point yet as to use a popular phrase and people aren't actually taking the time out of their busy television viewing schedule days to do some of the actual reading themselves to dive in and see what it's all about.

17:30 And if you look at how the mainstream media has been reporting it, it may fizzle out. Of course, people are calling this the smoking gun, the mushroom cloud, the bombshell. Let's see, we have the Times in the United Kingdom. Emails allegedly written by some of the world's leading climate scientists have been stolen by hackers and published on websites run by climate change skeptics. There we go. The skeptics claim that the emails are evidence that scientists manipulate data in order to strengthen their argument that human activities were causing global warming. And by the way, I don't think this is a... Already there's kind of like a fake meme in there, which I think is irreversible at this point.

18:16 The documents don't actually talk about human-related global warming. They're just talking about global warming, the raw data itself. So this is already being steered in a direction that's saying, well, okay, so maybe these scientists fudged a little bit about human causes, but there's still global warming. That's what's going to happen, I think. That could be. I'm looking at this, I've been trying to, that's why I haven't boned up on it enough to remember the name of the organization where they stole the data from. We can just call it the CRU. CRU is good enough. There's a couple of screwy things about this. One, of course, we did have one of our producers write in saying this looks like a CIA deal. A hit job, yeah. A hit job because the timing was just pre this Copenhagen event which is coming up in December which is obviously dead in the water or DOA.

19:11 that you know that was dying but I don't think that was necessarily it because that my understanding was that the whole scene was going to be uh... was that was already there anyway it was already kind of being backtracked yeah there would be no definitive deal and maybe John maybe that's because there was already knowledge this was happening or taking place or maybe someone had telegraphed from the CIA side saying, hey, we got a potential bombshell coming out and that's maybe why some backtracking started. That backtracking that all of a sudden Obama coming out saying, well, we probably won't have a deal at this year's summit, maybe next year, that came out of the blue, all of a sudden with no explanation as to why.

19:54 So I'm thinking producer Kerry has got something there. In fact I have some other data later on that shows that there is kind of an all-in-all out war going on between people on the Obama side and people on the banker slash CIA side, kind of the old guard if you will. Whatever the case is, this whole thing is interesting and the funny thing is of course there was a lot of, you know, you see the reports two different ways depending on what side the media is on which is typically pro-global warming. Which is, you know, these haven't been confirmed or these haven't been denied.

20:36 Well, right now the CRU has confirmed that these are the proper documents and that they were stolen. So that confirmation is out there. So these are legit, legit documents. And then they're trying to get a hold of numerous people whose documents have been blown out and they can't seem to get a hold of any of them. He was on vacation, not available for comment. But it's actually what they're... I mean the fact that these scientists... 100% agreement, all scientists agree. I'd like to get that Garofalo thing back up, we can find those little clips about... or Joy Behar going on and on. What does he think he is? Is he a climate scientist? This is a known fact. Every single scientist in the world agrees on this.

21:25 And that kind of nuttiness, which is disgusting if you ask me, the lack of skepticism and just this lockstep Nazi-like following of whatever you're told to do, is really the problem that I keep seeing out there. And I find it distressing. And this is, in fact, exactly what Al Gore is saying. His mantra is, the science is clear. You know, it's undisputed, the science is clear. You cannot get around this. It's been discussed, it's over and done with. And that's a very dangerous thing to say in science. Because throughout history, there's been some pretty clear science issues on the world is flat, you know, some basic stuff. Thalidomide. Right. And Der Spiegel in Germany

22:15 Just before this broke, which, oh man, you're right, it feels so much like a setup. I think the day before, De Spiegel came out with some actual climatologists from the... let me see where they're from... Britain's Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research. Literally came out and said, you know, I hate to say it, but effectively over the past decade there's been a zero degree increase in temperature. you know it just kinda sucks so we've got to figure out other ways to you know to explain it to spin it indeed and so you know but we haven't had more hurricanes and we haven't had all this other stuff that Gore predicted in his movie well we have had and this is just happening in Gitmo Nation East

23:08 flooding yeah the worst rainfall in a thousand years so this of course will be spun you know what they go out there they seed the clouds or they shoot their Oregon cloud cloud busting machine let's shit man we're losing on this we've got to distract attention from see and why does it happen in the UK you know of course it happens there it hasn't haven't had this much range for a thousand years this whole scandal breaks in the United Kingdom let's get some rain going Well, you know, it's always flooding somewhere every year. This year is theirs. We had a lot of rain up in the Pacific Northwest. It was close to creating all kinds of havoc, but it didn't. It's been really bad. There's been bridges collapsing and I've been there when... Actually, it's rained pretty bad in the past five years in the UK.

24:01 And when it rains, oh man, the highways flood and people get stuck for days and can't go anywhere. It's pretty bad. I was there in the 70s where we had some big storms in London and it flooded the subways. Oh yeah. I mean this isn't new. So anyway. So let's just get off the global warming thing. I don't think it goes anywhere. I think this will resolve itself. We'll probably pick up on some subtlety in the weeks ahead. Well, it'll be interesting to see how it... Well, the weeks ahead, of course, the only thing that really matters... It's very important to track climate change and of course the climate changes. That's why it's a great word. It's a great meme. Yeah, climate changes all the time. We have seasons and we have all kinds of stuff. Climate changes.

24:48 but they move that away from global warming knowing that somewhere some of the shit storm would hit the shit storm has hit you know so the only question is what will they use now as a discussion point for the cap and trade bill well the thing well there yeah the cap and trade this may be actually a way of killing cap and trade that's what I'm hopeful for yes and because cap and trade crap and trade is it's got to be the worst possible thing that we could happen Because it's phony, it doesn't do anything about emissions. It's just a phony baloney market created to create new kinds of derivatives that are unregulated. You know, so somebody can scam somebody else out of some money and it's actually a form of taxation. I don't think there's any question about that. And it doesn't do anything, that's the key.

25:36 Maybe this has something to do with that. I don't know well But these scientists have got a lot of explaining to do about them fudging the numbers. Yeah, I mean and it's and there's a there's a fantastic link that's all to be in the show notes from Bishop Hill dot Squarespace dot-com and it is was it the Bishop Hill It's a blog essentially and this guy has done the best synopsis I've seen so far of all of the different documents with links to the original documents so you can see the actual source data which is kind of what journalism should be all about. So all of these kind of bombshells and there's about 20 or 30 of them are all listed in order. Go ahead and read through it because you know... By the way, I have to compliment you on the show notes. Well, thank you.

26:26 I think these show notes, people should look at these show notes and they're either linked to at curry.com or on one of the websites but you can always find them somewhere. This is a tour to force these show notes. If people haven't been giving us enough money, they should look at these show notes and give us money for that. Those notes alone that this is a resource it well, it's a resource It's laid out very specifically so that you can get through it to it through you know Like SEO tricks and stuff I do so that if you're searching for a particular topic, hopefully you'll hit our our show notes I have a system for saving notes, which is my brain hurts from doing it. No matter where I am, if I see something that's like, hmm, that's interesting, I put it into the system. And a lot of the stuff in the show notes is not actually discussed on the show.

27:13 But it is categorized under some basic categories like swine flu, Gitmo Nation. Well everything's discussed in the show eventually. Yeah, but not always. And it could be stuff that we discussed before a couple weeks ago and you put it in this week's show notes as more backup. Just the resources. If I was a student in high school, or maybe to a lesser extent in college, but in high school for sure, I would glom onto these show notes because there's a lot of easy to write papers embedded within these notes. It's true. Your research is done for you. It's all done. And I barely graduated high school and so this is my graduate course I'm doing myself.

27:56 So let's move from cap and trade into a wonderful piece of video that popped up, which of course is from C-SPAN. In fact, this actual clip may be from the live coverage on Fox Business, who are so desperate for programming, they're basically piping C-SPAN through. It's like, maybe C-SPAN has more viewers than we do, so we might as well just put that on the air. And this is Congressman Burgess. Speaking to little Timmy Geithner, you know the stooge from Goldman Sachs who took over from his former boss at Goldman Sachs, the rich stooge. Well, they're all rich.

27:13 But it is categorized under some basic categories like swine flu, Gitmo Nation. Well everything's discussed in the show eventually. Yeah, but not always. And it could be stuff that we discussed before a couple weeks ago and you put it in this week's show notes as more backup. Just the resources. If I was a student in high school, or maybe to a lesser extent in college, but in high school for sure, I would glom onto these show notes because there's a lot of easy to write papers embedded within these notes. It's true. Your research is done for you. It's all done. And I barely graduated high school and so this is my graduate course I'm doing myself.

27:56 So let's move from cap and trade into a wonderful piece of video that popped up, which of course is from C-SPAN. In fact, this actual clip may be from the live coverage on Fox Business, who are so desperate for programming, they're basically piping C-SPAN through. It's like, maybe C-SPAN has more viewers than we do, so we might as well just put that on the air. And this is Congressman Burgess. Speaking to little Timmy Geithner, you know the stooge from Goldman Sachs who took over from his former boss at Goldman Sachs, the rich stooge. Well, they're all rich.

28:37 and this is about cap and trade, partially about cap and trade, which of course is very unnerving for 65% of American business certainly because 65 to 70% of American business is small businesses and no one really knows what this cap and trade tax is going to do other than take money out of businesses, it's a tax And so you know how do we invest you know do we get more people in now we have to lay them off later and there's a lot of uncertainty because we just don't know what the financial picture is going to look like. That is mentioned in this

29:14 Well, not just grilling, but essential virtual firing of little Timmy Geithner by Congressman Burgess. I just got to play this, John. It's a couple minutes. We can stop it to discuss here and there, but I love the stuff that is in this clip. It's just fantastic. Answer to an earlier question about when the financial catastrophe started in September, October of last year. By the way, you got to look at the guy's face with his high forehead. Which is filled with water, I'm convinced. and he's like, clutch, clutch, clutch. He's like, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm. He's such a, you know, he's a bitch. Like the definition of somebody's bitch, that's what he is. Timmy, go take care of that, you bitch. If I understood you correctly, you said that this country did not have the tools to manage that panic, but the inference that I took from that was that there were countries overseas that did have such tools. Now, I recall

30:13 a phone call with your predecessor in late October and now he's looking like all horny and shit because he's thinking, oh yeah Hank that's my man my man my pimp my my magnate and Hank 2008 uh... when it came became public that the united states was pumping monies into uh... central bank in europe and and other places and i suggest that was not the correct thing to be doing and he said this of course is about the the two trillion you know that's why i want to hear it but if the united states is not helping these countries then they will collapse so which is it uh... barbara were were were we the savior of those countries that uh... according to the

30:56 current president didn't even like us that much until he took office. Were we the savior of those banks in those countries or were we in fact incapable of dealing with the problem and Was that money in fact going to foreign banks at that time in October of last year? So this is a question that has been asked many times and this guy's finally getting some answers but the answers will blow you away. Widely reported in the press. Congressman, there is no country that came into this crisis with the tools to manage effectively and that... John, we also haven't talked about the tools. Can we just like take pause for a moment and say the tools, that this is the biggest piece

31:36 Piece of horse crap ever that we need more tools, which means power doesn't it just we need more power to I have no idea what the hell he's what he's talking about tools He's talking about financial instruments or the ability to move money around legal authority Yeah, no, he's talking about legal authority to do stuff because of course, you know, they oh that could be okay All right. Okay, basic failure described here was a common failure One thing you saw around the world was... Let me ask you a question then, how did George Bush cause those countries to be unprepared for a financial crisis? Boom. So now he's nailing them on the whole, we inherited this from the previous administration. Glass-Steagall has come up this morning, if I recall Glass-Steagall was repealed

32:19 That bill was signed by Bill Clinton, not George Bush. And I frankly don't understand if that's such a good protection. This president's been in office for 10 months. Where's the signed legislation reinstating Glass-Steagall? Okay, John, would you just take a moment to explain Glass-Steagall for people new to this program? Glass-Steagall, there's about four or five of these acts that were put into play during the Depression in the 30s. and one of them was Glass-Steagall and most of these things, which was taken out by Clinton, in fact all these things have been eliminated. Essentially what we had was a situation that We had a bunch of laws put in place during the depression to keep banks from selling insurance, to keep insurance companies from selling stocks, to keep bankers from becoming stockbrokers and all these other kinds of things. Chinese walls is what we call them. There was a bunch of these things that were put into place and there's a bunch of protections, consumer protections, there are a bunch of all sorts of regulations to keep another Great Depression from happening.

33:17 Well, if you follow the cycle, a Great Depression could have or should have happened in 1969, 40 years after the original one, and nothing happened. And so you had a situation evolve, I believe, where you, where you, you, the depression could have happened in the 70s but it was just kind of a terrible recession and people go around and say, well, nothing happened. We didn't have a problem. We don't need these laws. They're not effective. Stuff is working without them. Or are they? And so they were eliminated all these things and Glass-Steagall was one of the more, people can look it up and get the details on it, but it was the last to go. But there's other thing, I think one of the main regulatory aspects of these bills was

34:02 interstate banking. It was believed that a bank could only be within a state, so the Bank of America was only in California. You couldn't have branches in New York and North Carolina and every place all over the place because everyone believed it would screw up the... These banks would just get too big and horrible. Too big to fail, you mean? Too big to fail, but the problem was is that the argument the counterarm is well They have to compete this was a killer it just cracked me up We have to compete with the international bankers, and they have you know Nationwide banks, and they're gonna be they're gonna kill us all meanwhile Citibank before it was a national bank because of those laws It was just a local said was a New York Bank in California Bank of America was California Bank these guys were financing things all over the world there were huge

34:50 Why did you want to make them bigger? Anyway, all these things were all repealed by one group or another. And I mean, there's a laundry list of them and none of them have been reinstated. And Obama's been, I mean, they could have put some of this stuff back in. I mean, the argument against that is, well, you know, Obama's busy. Yeah, he's busy. All right. So, good point. I would not support reinstating Glass-Steagall and I don't actually believe that the end of Glass-Steagall played a significant role in the cause of this crisis. There you go, John. He's saying it right there. John C. Dvorak, are you stupid? Timmy Geithner's telling you right... What the hell do you think? Had nothing to do with this. All those protections that worked for 40 years... 80. 80 years, I'm sorry. They had nothing to do with it.

35:43 So when we took him away, the fact that we've now come back in an economic crisis, John, you're an idiot. How can you even think something like that? Had nothing to do with it. Well, it's been stated in this committee. Let me move on because my time is going to be limited. I do hope we'll be able to submit some of our questions in writing because this is a critical hearing and time is limited. Why is time always limited? You know, this pisses me off too. We need to have good guys, I mean I don't know if this, uh, uh, if what's-his-face Burge is a good guy or not, but he certainly ent- this is an entertaining piece of television. Why is the time always limited? Can't someone stand up and say, I give the distinguished gentleman my time, I yield my time? They do that a lot, but... Not enough, man. Not enough. It's like, what do they have to do? Lunch is waiting? Like, this is good shit. Keep it rolling. Alright, we've got the tarp. It's supposed to... This is my favorite. Listen to how Timmy throws tarp under a bus. The shit that was fantastic, it saved us, it pulled us back from the precipice, from the brink. To expire.

36:43 Why won't we let it die a natural death rather than letting it painfully linger? We are working to put the tarp out of its misery. Listen to this! This is the guy that begged for it. And we need this. And in case you don't know, TARP is your tax dollars being printed up and extended, your tax liability, let's put it that way, and given to the bankers. And here's Timmy saying, well, you know, I wish I could put it out of its misery, but the old dog still hunts a little bit. Gotta keep it going. And no one will be happier than I am. Well, according to your... See that program terminated and unwound. And I want you to point out that we are moving very aggressively to close down and terminate the programs that defined TARP at the beginning of the crisis.

37:37 Well, it looks like the money is going out with little or no oversight. That is absolutely not true. The Congress established three separate oversight committees. Your own special inspector general for the Trouble Afficit Relief Program has got several concerned about why not just stop spending on the TARP funds and why not repeal the program? We don't need it anymore. The American people never liked it. Let's just do away with it. So let me just explain this again. This is the whole issue, is that this money, our money, was being sent through all these derivatives and all of these insurances on mortgage-backed securities was being sent to banks in London essentially. Say, all right, well, you know, we've got to give you this money so the system doesn't collapse. Here it is, nice little gift wrapping courtesy of the people of the United States. Enjoy, have some fun. There's something I was just thinking about, you know, Geithner saying they don't need to reinstall Glass-Steagall.

38:33 Of course not because the main thing at Glass-Steagall is to keep the banks from becoming stockbrokers and then this company Goldman Sachs has basically taken advantage of no Glass-Steagall. Goldman Sachs, if you'll recall, what they did is they went from becoming an investment bank to a bank that also takes deposits. They're a bank bank. Yeah, they're everything, which is what Glass-Steagall prevented. So we don't want Glass-Steagall bad. My boss, my pimp would hate me if I said we could have that. My bitch Timmy Geithner can say that.

39:20 If you look what's happening to small businesses, this economy still faces tremendous financial challenges. What's happening to small businesses is people are frightened to add jobs because they don't know what we're going to do to them in health care, they don't know what we're going to do to them in financial regulation, they're scared of what we might do with energy prices in the future with cap and trade. Small business, medium-sized business is frightened to add jobs right now. I could help the president in his panel. He doesn't need another program. We don't need another stimulus. We need to provide some tax relief and then get the heck out of the way and the American economy will recover as it has always done. That broad philosophy helped produce the worst financial crisis and the worst recession we've seen in generations. We had a pretty good test...

40:05 I know, go ahead John, say it. Please, respond to that. What's he talking about? He's saying that because of, what he's basically saying is because of the free market system that works with less government interference and not a bunch of bull crap where the bankers are just sucking all our money and not giving it back to us and not making out loans, that's what's caused the problem? That's exactly what he's saying. He's going back to the mantra of, well, you know, Bush handed us the worst economic situation ever. That's exactly what he's saying and now listen to Burgess respond to it. Back it up again and let that assertion play and then let Geithner say his thing and then we'll stop interrupting him.

40:53 in his panel he doesn't need another program we don't need other stimulus we need to provide some tax relief and then get the heck out of the way and the american economy will recover as it has always done that broad philosophy help produce the worst financial crisis in the worst recession we've seen in generations we had a pretty good test of that philosophy pretty good test of those policies they did not serve the country well mister guy now and i can't let you do that go ahead this is bogus This guy's just a liar. He's a liar, he's a tax cheat. Let's not forget that, a tax cheat. You go ahead and try and cheat on your taxes.

41:34 All right, he's a cheat, a liar and a cheat and he owns our pocketbook. In 2003 we were in a jobless recovery. Tax relief was passed in May of 2003 and as a consequence by July of that year we were adding jobs at a significant rate. It seems to have worked fairly well. Let me just finish up and say, you know, I disagree with Mr. Brady. I have the greatest respect for him. I don't think that you should be fired I thought you should have never been hired. I love it excellent you should never have been hired. I don't think you should be fired you should never have been hired. How come this isn't on the 6 o'clock news this kind of little thing? Let me think what was more important this weekend there must have been something more important I didn't watch television so unfortunately I missed the media distraction du jour

42:32 But I'm in by the way, have you seen anything on mainstream television about the stolen climate gate documents? I don't know. I don't know that you mentioned it. No, of course not. It's all over the internet like crazy. What is wrong with these people? How hard is it? Just get it. You know, the problem is, is the same with the newspapers, I think they don't even go on the net half of these people. You know, they have a phony blog that they do for their paper, but there's not really a blog. All these newspapers have bloggers now because they don't have to pay them so much and they get more work out of them. But there's no blog. It's not like you go onto your website and write some stuff down and you control the blog, put a little thing here, move some stuff around. It's like a program within the newspaper building that runs on their server that's specifically designed and it's called a blog. Yeah.

43:29 You know, essentially it has one less editor. Actually, I do know what was really in the news and this is something that I think we overlooked on Thursday. So there's this panel, an advisory panel from the Health and Human Services Department of your government in the United States. And they came out and said, you know what, mammograms, screw it. You really don't need a mammogram until you're 50. Because the science is clear. The science shows that no matter how, and by the way, people who have been fighting for breast cancer awareness for years and years and years, I mean, how stupid can you be to come out with this recommendation? So the panel says, well, we looked at the data, and it doesn't matter, we still have the same amount of breast cancer

44:25 victims every single year whether you're doing your mammograms or not. And the press of course goes crazy because this has been, there are celebrities walking around with pink ribbons. This is a big, big thing. I know a couple women personally who have died of breast cancer and I know several others who have been, their bodies have had to be mutilated because of this horrible disease. And then Sibelius comes out because she's like, oh shit, what are my people doing? She takes this panel of her own people and throws them under the bus. I actually have a little bit of, just because she's so irritating, maybe we should just play a little bit of the audio. She is irritating. Oh, she's a horrible, horrible, horrible woman. Play just a little bit of the audio of her backtracking. So patronizing. Oh, hold on, there's a friggin' ad here. This is from NBC.com.

45:17 So of course she has to do some damage control. She has to come out and she has to say, oh well, you know, really what they're saying is all on an individual basis and you know, you really have to look at it a different way. Listen to this for a second. We're going to begin with new controversy over those controversial breast cancer screening guidelines. On Wednesday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius released a statement telling women to quote, Keep doing what you have been doing for years. Talk to your doctor about your individual history, ask questions and make the decision that is right for you. A short time later, Sibelius talked to Ann Curry and Ann asked her if she was advising people to ignore the new recommendations.

45:56 I'm telling women to take a look at the recommendations of the panel, which are looking globally at tens of thousands of cases, but then take that information and have a conversation with your doctor. Are you saying that women should still consider having mammograms beginning at age 40? Absolutely, based on their health history and their physician's recommendation. Some people are saying that your response to the panel's recommendations are essentially throwing this panel under the bus. Your reaction to that? They routinely update various recommendations. The last time they updated...

46:32 You get it, right? She's not really answering the question. She hasn't answered one question. She's all absolutely at once you do this. She always has a disclaimer on whatever she says. You know what she sounds like and kind of acts like? Carly Fiorina. Oh yeah, well you've mentioned this before and she dresses like her too. It's a style. Yeah, okay. She's a reptile, okay? Let's just keep it at that. So I'm looking at this and my brain starts connecting things. So I start looking at this because I thought that was highly interesting, right? That she would do this. And there was another story that came out at the same time which was new guidelines for pap smears. This is investigating a woman's womb for potential cervical cancer.

47:21 The recommendation, I guess from the same panel, came out and said, oh, most women in their 20s can have a pap smear every two years instead of annually. I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. Now I'm starting to connect some stuff here. It's like, okay. So they're coming out with these guidelines that are saying, well, all these tests you were doing, you don't, and of course this is right as we have an enormous healthcare insurance reform bill trying to be passed. It's like, how does this... So I'm going to start to follow the money in a second here. So, alright, so pap smears, it makes sense that if you've got this fabulous life-saving vaccine called Gardasil or Cerevix, which by the way only combats three of the seven types of possible cancer, also approved for boys.

48:10 Well of course, who the hell needs to have an- and- why the hell have your body looked at? Don't look at the- don't look- hey! What- You know what? Of course- You missed the cue! Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Ooh, look at that! Hey! Ooh, look at that! So that makes sense and like okay, so I do a quick Google search. Oh Yes Here it is Researchers test the breast cancer vac vaccine now. I'm starting to see the pattern and It gets even better John good find. Oh, no. No, it gets even better. So I'm reading the Health Care Act Which is now It's called something else now the patient

48:58 Oh, what is it called? Play my clip. Hold on a second. I just want to get my point out before we get to your clips. It's the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act, which is this new, you know, more than 2,000 pages. Yeah, that's not a good meme. On page 3, if you get through the index, A group health plan and health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall provide coverage for and shall not impose any cost sharing requirements for evidence-based items or services that have an effect a rating of A or B in the current recommendation of the United States Preventative Services Tax Force immunizations that have an effect a recommendation from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is this is page 3 right there that's actually it's paragraph 3 right there at the top it's saying any health care

49:59 insurance will basically have to push vaccines and it's going to be these vaccines that are recommended by this 15 person panel headed by, chaired by people who are completely entirely connected to the pharmaceutical industry. So now it's starting to come into play. You know what you're sounding like a disgusting denialist. Oh, what's that green dot on my forehead? Oh, I'm trying to avoid it. So here you go. The science is clear. The whole point, it's actually a war going on between the drug makers and the health. So the drug makers want to get the money up front, get all the dope in you before you're sick.

50:53 Meanwhile, you look at what the device makers are doing. This is also a big business. Right now, there's a consortium of hospitals in New York City who are pooling together money. They need $200 million to come up with this proton treatment center which can zap cancer at a minute cellular level. So that, so there's an actual fight going on in the medical community, John, between the pharma guys who have very low barriers to entry, throw some shit into an egg and call it a vaccine, shoot it up, you know, here you go, take this, you'll live longer. I didn't know that they found the virus that causes breast cancer that they would be able to have a vaccine. Thank you.

51:38 Have you noticed any reports on this great discovery? I haven't heard anything. That's my point! So they've got this thing keyed up. They're already in testing mode. They're doing clinical trials for the breast cancer vaccine. They're doing this in Washington, D.C. conveniently. Here's the quote. The vaccine is really for prevention. So it sort of shifts the focus from treatment to prevention. Wait, wait, wait. Isn't vaccines always for prevention? Yeah, you'd think. But it's not a virus. It's not a virus. Maybe it is, you don't know. The vaccine is given to stimulate the woman's own immune system to recognize this protein as dangerous to stimulate the system to fight it and to kill it. Oh please. This sounds like a scam. Well how come we don't have the whole world, every celebrity in the world going, hallelujah all of our work has paid off we have cured breast cancer.

52:36 Because we haven't. It's a fucking scam. I'm sorry, I shouldn't be using those words. But I get really riled up when I see this. And it's right there, right at the top of this health care bill, right at the top is, oh by the way, all of these health care plans, whether it's a public option or private insurance company, you will be pushing vaccines. Of course they worded differently like you can't deny anyone a vaccine, but you know how it's going to work. They'll be pushing the vaccines. What clip do you have, John? 20 pound turkey. Just play it. The leader has mentioned use of gimmickry or lack of transparency. This bill that we have in front of us is, I don't know, when we're going to the motion to proceed tomorrow, a little bit of bait and switch going on there because the bill that we're actually going to be voting on is

53:34 I think it's just about three pages. And that's the product that the leader will shift to after that. About 20 and a half pounds. I don't know about you, but when we get our Thanksgiving turkey, it's about a 20-pound turkey, so there you have it. That's good. So there you have it. It's a 20 pound turkey. This woman is the senator from Alaska who is so much sharper than Palin, it's just astonishing. The two of them kind of have a little feud going but she's quite humorous in a funny subtle way. It's a 20 pound turkey. It is a 20 pound turkey and

54:14 You know what's so nice is that I did this in 15 minutes. I'd like to claim that I really was, you know, that I had the candles burning at night and... No, no, no, this is important. This is important because I did do a lot of research on other stuff. But this one, all it took was just some time to sit down and read it. This is the beauty. This is what the internet still gives us. Before you know it, you know, the Senate and House websites will be blocked in public libraries for pornographic reasons, I'm sure. So you won't be able to read it, but you can download this stuff. You can read it. You know, the 2,000 pages, it's not hard, okay? It's not like 2,000 pages of a technical manual. You know, it's actual English. You know, it's spaced, it's numbered. It's like a script. You know, it's probably one minute per page if you had to read it out loud. So it's not all that bad.

55:11 And then you do a Google search, you come up with this fantastic earth shattering news that we don't have to be worried about breast cancer, just like we don't have to be worried about cervical cancer or about cocaine addiction or nicotine addiction because all these vaccines are going to save your life. Just go ahead, take not two but 22 shots to the arm, kids. You can connect all this. The thing is, no one is doing it. We're doing it. And that's exactly why we need your help. That's your cue, John. Boy, that was an interesting one. We have a few, well actually here's what we're going to talk about. We're going to ask for some money today. I want to compare our money situation which is you know we get a couple thousand dollars here and again but I want you to, I was listening to, watching public television last night and Wayne Dyer, the famous, he used to be, he does a lot of these

56:12 these kind of speeches and training sessions he's got become kind of a screwball and you can kind of see where the public uh... tv and public radio audiences has shifted they've gone into a kind of a they've they've they've kind of taken advantage of the fact that many people who are who think this is that this is a public uh... trusted trusted treasure uh... did their dates with the push them into superstition and and by the way i think global war superstition i think a lot of the stuff is denialist guys talking about on public radio he's a he's his perspective is superstition And just to make this point, I want you to listen to Wayne Dyer talk about what he does for public television, the kind of money he generates for them, for just local stations. And the guy he's talking to, by the way, is the pitch man, the closer that I've mentioned before on this show. But play the Wayne Dyer.

57:05 uh... something pitch and but more more than anything else the reason i support public television the way i do is because i believe it's an energy system that's coming into our home that television set that sits in your living room yeah brought to you by monsanto your bedroom is a is a system that allows energy to come into your home energy impacts everything everything is energy in the universe that's the shift that i've made from psychology if you will way back in the in the early days with me uh... to more of a spiritual approach and and i believe that uh... Bringing the right kind of energy into our homes is a paramount importance. Well, you've really helped because over the years, I don't know what the number is, but your PBS specials, which we've had the privilege of airing here in Northern California, have raised a lot of money for public broadcasting. I was told recently that it's in the neighborhood of $125 million. What? $125 million he's raised for public television?

57:58 In Northern California. That's a lot of Barneys. That's a lot of Barneys. John, we're going about it the wrong way. All we gotta do is say, that's a lot of Barneys. Well, thank you for that, but I also want to tell we want to keep doing that we want to keep raising the money and what I'm really tickled by and Hoping that people realize that at these gift levels at the 50 cent a day level and the dollar a day level which by the way Dr. Wayne Dyer Invented way. I don't know was that maybe was five years ago more than that about eight years ago. Yeah, you came up with the whole enchilada You were out of your mind right for a dollar a day for but when you think about a 50 cents a day or a dollar

58:45 When you think about what you spend a dollar a day, as I said, I was in Starbucks the other day and I saw someone order a cup of coffee, $3.70 for some, I don't know what it was, latte this or that, I don't drink coffee so I don't know, but I thought, well just take two thirds of a cup and the other third, put it away each day and give it to public television. Yeah, right, that's all right. Well, so there's a couple of important things here because the point is so well made Public television when I was growing up was made possible by Donators like you by people who are get in fact in my family It was like you had you set aside a certain amount of money Each month or each year and you gave that to public television because it was important

59:28 Now here's the actual public system that utility the energy coming into this guy's home Here's the reality of what the energy looks like on the other end when you plug in your television set to it It's not just oh, here's these people working hard with no commercial business model. No, this is what it actually sounds like. Support for WAMU88.5 comes from Monsanto. Committed to sustainable agriculture and creating hybrid and biotech seeds designed to increase crop yields and conserve natural resources. More at producemoreconservemore.com. That is a commercial! It is a commercial intertwined into the programming that is supposed to be good for you. Right? It's good for you Monsanto. Listen to the, we're producing frankenfood. Good for you.

1:00:16 You know the thing that bothers me is that this has gotten to the point where if you're watching Jay Leno do a show and in the middle of the show saying hey by the way can you help donate to the show, they've got to, it's been paid for up and down the line. by these commercial entities to an extreme and meanwhile the public is coughing up millions and millions of dollars, 180 or whatever the dire said for this it's just it's just ridiculous and we're not getting any kind of insight we're getting kind of a left-wing liberal bias pro you know big egg pro big organic you know it's not just that but GE GE sponsors all this stuff GE who make the machines that are killing people overseas they make these machines

1:01:09 They make war things. Yeah, they make... Which is weird because of the fact that these stations are supposed to be kind of peaceniks. Let's give some credit to some people out there who gave to us and John Matthews, by the way, our Carolina Kiwi has finally passed the $1,000 mark and some people out there... Hold on a second, John. John, you are really... I was feeling that already. He was getting bad. John? John? John, John, John? John? What, did I fall apart? Yeah, you've been crapping up for the past minute. I'm gonna hang up, will you call me back? Yeah. Okay. We really gotta make this better, this is uh... They're sabotaging us! Come on, call me! I hate it when this happens. Call me! I said call me! Here we go.

1:02:19 Yeah, you there? Yeah, how's that sound? Yeah, better. Alright. Get back into it. Alright, well let's go over some of the people. Sorry about that, folks. We didn't hear a single name, really. Yeah, I haven't given a name yet. Well, I did give John Matthews, we have a new knight because people can do self-accounting if they want to contribute a thousand dollars and become a knight. And John Matthews finally made it our Carolina Kiwi. And so he's our new knight, John Matthews. He joins a group of four. Thank you very much, John. Thank you. Highly appreciated. And then other than that, we still again, we got a lot of Australian support. Joshua Santee, $75. It says it's 50 cents an episode. He's from New South Wales.

1:02:58 Sean Carlson 5555 from Fresno. He said that was his Obama money We got $100 from Paul Palchak, which I think is pronouncing it right, P-A-L-C-S-E-K, from Camberwell, West Victoria, Australia. Again, I'm not understanding why we have to do more Australian stuff. Alec, Alec, no last name, a Dutch-American who gave us $99.99, who says he was living in Wadden X-Veen for 10 years and he needed to tell you, I guess. W-A-D-D-E-E. Yeah, Wadding X-Veen.

1:03:36 What is that? It's a lovely little town. Vadingsvein. How can you pronounce it? Vadingsvein. Come on, say it with me now, John. Vadingsvein. Vadingsvein. Vadingsvein. There you go. Schwingter. Kevin Stevenson, $70 from Florence, Alabama. He was bragging about he's the only guy from Alabama that listens to this show. Probably true. of course jeffrey's fitch i one of our associate uh... executive producers and vendor mills for the windermere florida and stranded do it that's been a situation of seventy eight uh... liam hammings who gives us money occasionally from buckinghamshire buckinghamshire buckinghamshire yes ninety by john stevens are legal awards who's also given to us before two hundred uh... lauren right of course our executive producer from that what system it was to read margaret atwood's

1:04:26 Oryx and Crake. He says that has something to do with Monsanto. Okay. And he's a $350 executive producer. Todd Simmons $69.69. He says that has no meaning. I don't know about him. Yeah, it does for me. He's in Eight Plains, Australia. You know, something is something big is happening. Oh, you know what? I know what it is. There's this guy, I think his name is Cameron. I think it's Cameron Reilly. He runs or ran the podcast network. And he's kind of a, in a way he does, I think he does a show that is, he's probably one of the fellow freedom fighters. He certainly blogs and I think he blogged about no agenda and that's probably what happened. So if he's helping spread the message I highly appreciate it. I think that's where it came from. Yeah, we all appreciate it. Matthew Carey of course another associate executive producer from Eastwood, South Australia and you got the cabaretconfessional.com, you should look that up.

1:05:23 William Arcand, Drake, who also has given before and he's working to Knighthood I believe, Drake Cut, Massachusetts. And then we have a number of $50 contributors, I'll just read their names, David Simpsons from the UK, John Kelly, Charlotte, North Carolina, who Had some comment anyway AJ Tessier from normal, Illinois And he says he's giving us money because we have no commercial Jonathan Cleed in Whittier He's giving us money because we mentioned homeschooling in a positive light Roy Maddux Carnation Washington, I don't know something new blowing in the wind. Sorry about that

1:06:05 And then finally from another Australian from Melbourne who challenges me to pronounce his name. His name is Frank Eisenstadt, but it's got the Polish spelling. and uh... what does that mean what is the well he says was a challenge if you saw this name a jay-z e n s z t a t which is the polish version of the german word eisenstadt good on you for the pronunciation john very good and some homework i like it i did the homework of twitter fifty-fifty my crowdsourcing or so you can go slowly

1:06:43 And finally we do have a make good, a guy whose name doesn't want to be mentioned. We forgot to mention his website which is, people should check out, he did give us some money. Let me see if I can find the exact website. I got a complaint letter from him. You didn't mention the website. He put something into the note of his PayPal donation. We missed it because we're understaffed. We have no staff. That would be the definition of understaffed. Yes, understaffed. He's in Auckland, New Zealand and he wants us to mention the Creative Freedom Foundation. Okay. And by the way, if you donate money to the show, we'll plug anything you want. We don't care what it's about. And I really don't. I have no scruples. You? No, if you give us some money, you want a quick plug as long as it's clean. Yeah, or as clean as I can be.

1:07:40 And then he also, K-L-W-R-I-G-H-T dot com. Or I think, wait, no, KiwiRight. What am I thinking? Kiwi, as in the fruit that we sought from us from New Zealand. KiwiW-R-I-G-H-T dot com. Oh no, I'm sorry. KiwiR-I-G-H-T dot com. Okay. KiwiRight. Kiwi right so I you know we do want to point that we do want to point out that we are Really, we are public broadcasting because we do not ruse in the true sense of the word the way it was when we were growing up and and Sarah Palin by the way same age as I am and We don't look a lot better. We don't we don't play commercials and

1:08:27 We do want to continue this program. We've been doing it for two years running. We're not making anywhere near enough to do it full-time. That is my personal desire and I think John yours as well. Some guy wrote in, they sent me a letter actually, showed up in the post office box and he said, you know, Adam Curry gave some money to charity and I think that's the reason I'm not... People send us notes explaining why they're not giving us money. We don't care. If you don't want to give us money, that's fine and dandy, but to go on and on with all this blather about, and it always follows the end, what are you doing with the money? I'm going to tell people what we're doing with the money. We're paying bills. That's what people do with money. Yeah, we're paying our bills. We're doing whatever we need to do with our money to live our lives.

1:09:11 And twice a week, hopefully three, I'd like to do it at least three, we're doing the service for you. That's only the part that you hear. It's not the part that you see that we're actually doing, collecting emails all day long. You know what it's like when you already get 500 emails a day and then you have to sift through another 5 million of them all about the same topic? It's okay, please continue to do it because we need that input desperately, but it is real work. Yeah, and that's why we forget KiwiRite and stuff like that. By the way, so go to noagendashow.com or dvorak.org slash NA and help us out for the next week so we can maintain our show with the high quality that we're, I think, producing. And of course we want to get the stream up and it's really, time is money. It's really all about having the time. I got a job.

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1:10:45 So it's true and so and and it's not enough we do not have enough money I'm not gonna go into the whole Starbucks rap, but we're not playing commercials We're not controlled by corporate interests if anything I saw John Doerr the other day Now we are but Sand Hill Road He walked and was at Kleiner Perkins and then he walked around the corner And if you don't know what the connection is go ahead and look it up. Okay. There's a kid There's a big connection between those guys and Al Gore and uh... yet you have gorgeous works for him yeah and he gave me the look johnson take me to look he gave you a look at the game with the look like i hate john i do it like i go shit he knows he knows what he knows the word slam in his body

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1:13:50 Dark clouds in our future. All right along those lines I Think I made a deal I believe John correct me if I'm wrong that When the adjuvants were to be added to the vaccine in the United States because quote they can't produce it fast enough People would have to give us $5,000 did we did we did we not make this deal? I remember something about that. From Reuters, as US health officials struggle to vaccinate tens of millions of Americans against the pandemic of swine flu, some are looking regretfully at one easy way to instantly double or triple the number of doses available by using an immune booster called an adjuvant. Here it comes. I guarantee before the year is out, before the year is out, we will have adjuvants in our

1:14:45 Flu vaccines and there's this new player on the scene. Well, she's not really new dr. Anne shoe chat shoe shot Oh, no, I never heard of her. Oh, oh, oh, you've got to keep your eye on this one John. What's your name again? It's a shoe shat. I think. Shoe shat? Shoe shit. Sounds like... Pardon me, boy. Is that the cat that shit on your shoe? Here she is. Dr. Anne Shoe Shat. S-C-H-U-C-H-A-T. You might pronounce it shoe chat. S-C-H-U-C-H-A-T. She is from the U.S. Centers of Disease Control and Prevention.

1:15:31 And she's talking about, well, but she seems to, and by the way, she's like a colonel or a major or she has some, I don't quite understand. She's a rear admiral. Rear admiral. Hey, step two. Hey, rear admiral. I like to see that rear admiral for a moment. Oh, there she is. Oh, I've seen her before. Yeah, but she, but she's the, she's the real player now. She's coming out. We actually had a clip of her recently. She's the one who was, uh, she's very, she's like the hypnotist when she talks. Yes, she is. Oh no, it'll be fine. It'll be fine. She's the one that's out there and she's fine. Don't worry. She will be the one that will help us bring the adjuvants in. She's the one that is going to help us get all these vaccines. You watch. So the news is already starting. Adjuvant vaccines have been showed to more broadly prime patients' immune responses.

1:16:31 The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is intrigued. Last month it awarded $60 million to researchers and companies to develop new adjuvants. It's coming. It is coming. We talked about this almost a year ago. Right, but I didn't make the $5,000 agreement until a couple weeks ago because I got so frustrated telling people this is why they're doing this whole, oh we don't have enough vaccine stuff. By the way, we're getting reports now from everywhere if you're over 63 No flu shot for you. I know that's a new one. You're expendable. First it was like you had to get one and then they said well we gotta restate, redo this thing. I was imagining the backroom conversation going like this. Even though I'm like oh they're gonna let us die, us old people.

1:17:19 The thing probably went like this, what's going to happen if all these old people start dying? Oh come on Bill, this shot doesn't do anything anyway. Nobody's gonna die, just tell them no. Who gives a crap? Hey did you hear about the meteorite that exploded? Denialist. Uh, no. Oh no, tell me you did. Well I did, I remember something but it wasn't like something I perked up to. How could you miss a one kiloton explosion? This was like over a week ago, wasn't it? No, this was just this is this just happened this week John So here's the series of events on the same day that we get a meteor and by the way, there's fantastic links in the show notes spaceweather.com has You know, they've got all these webcams and you see this thing explode. It's huge. I mean, let me see Was it part of the meteor shower?

1:18:17 No, I'm not quite sure exactly what a meteorite is and how come I didn't think meteorites were supposed to go... A rock! Yeah, but they make an explosion apparently. Well, yeah, many of them if there's any moisture or whatever, as soon as they hit the atmosphere, they explode. Hold on one second. Hey babe, can you just not open your email for a second? I think Mickey was sending a picture or something to someone and I think that was part of our Skype problem earlier. Sorry AT&T is giving that's what caused the problem AT&T is giving me a straw to suck through Okay, so let me get back to this. So you see and all these links will be in the show notes. You see these fantastic you know big explosions in the sky and There's one over Utah. Yeah, correct. Well, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California in particular of interest is Colorado because what happens at the same time this takes place John is

1:19:14 The entire FAA tracking system for all flights goes down. completely craps out they say because of one circuit board that blew up. Now can I just call bullshit on that right away? You're going to tell me that post 9-11 the entire aviation tracking system, they literally, they had no radar across the US. They were tracking airplanes through radio contact only. Everything was delayed. Okay let me jump ahead to what your thesis is going to be. Okay. This wasn't a meteor at all, it was a test firing of an EMF device. No, close enough though. It was actually a 1 kiloton nuclear armed cruise missile.

1:19:59 that was targeted at Denver International Airport in Colorado. And I'm telling you, we have above our heads going on right now, John, we have a space war. A space war is taking place. Don't forget we just put another shuttle up there. We have the CIA, who of course we all know are now headquartered in Colorado. We've got this wacky airport in Denver. Go ahead and look at all their New World Order art hanging on the walls. Yeah, it's a screwy place. It's a very, very weird place and they got some crazy ass art. I'm gonna take Mickey there. We're gonna do a trip to Denver just so she can walk in the airport. And there's no gate one. No, that's the Stargate. It is there, it's just you have to have special credentials to get through it.

1:20:46 So the whole communication, the FAA communication system shut down at almost the same time we have this one kiloton explosion. And here's my thesis, is we have the CIA, who of course are the armed portion of the bankers, the Federal Reserve, fighting, probably fighting the Obama administration, who want to have their own agenda. And they tried to take them out. They tried to take the CIA out. And so this thing explodes, it blows up the whole tracking system. You laugh about it, but don't forget that. No, actually it would because if you did have a big, you know, it would cause the EMF, which is what would do that. Of course, it's exactly what causes it. Don't forget, we have an

1:21:32 Audit on the horizon, Ron Paul has actually succeeded in blowing away this stupid Watt Amendment which would water down the Federal Reserve Audit. It's not there yet, but at least they voted that amendment out of the bill. So there's still a chance that we could do a sweeping audit of the Federal Reserve mainly to find out what happened to the $2 trillion you just heard Timmy Geithner bullshit and lie about. and then we have this all in your hand and then the counterattack is the CIA and the bankers going right after The climate change for Al Gore and Obama and all his buddies. So this is the fight that's going on They're like it's like tit-for-tat. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So what you're gonna you're gonna try and investigate us here We're gonna have a hacker get into your system. We're gonna expose your lies about climate change. Oh, yeah You're gonna expose our things about climate change. Well here take that Denver here. Let me lob a little bomb over you. All right

1:22:25 Hey, how do you like them apples? There's a war going on and the only thing is where it's not being reported on except in programs like this an all-out war if you want to call it that in space John it's taking place in space It's the Thompson harmonizer And why is there, I mean, why aren't people outraged at the FAA? It goes down for like a whole morning. Nobody can get outraged anymore. This is exactly what, this is exactly what took place on 9-11. Oh well, well, the stuff was down, it wasn't working. Listen to the, listen how cavalier ABC News is about this.

1:23:05 I mean, cavalier isn't even the word anymore. It's just like, oh, hope no flights were... You have a clip? Yeah, I got a clip. Hope no flights were delayed. New Bose QuietCom... No, that's a freaking commercial. And it's the same one. Hold on a second. It's for the Bose. Nice headsets by the way. They do an aviation story so of course they have to link the Bose headsets. Here it comes. ABC News. Listen to this. People who were planning to fly today are being advised to check the status of their flights. An early morning computer glitch caused widespread cancellations and delays for the second time in 15 months.

1:23:42 The Federal Aviation Administration says the problem has now been resolved. ABC's Lisa Stark has been following this all day. She joins me from Washington with details. Hi, Lisa. Good morning, Meg. So where did the problem start and how far did it stretch? Well, it's still unclear about exactly how the problem started, but apparently... Except for the one kiloton bomb. They caused delays nationwide. Luckily it started really early this morning about 5 30 Eastern Time. Not a particularly busy time at the airlines but it did go through about the morning rush. So flights were delayed from Atlanta all the way to the West Coast. We're now told with the system back up and running that things are getting back to normal

1:24:21 the airlines are telling us that they are seeing only minimal delays at this time. So hopefully for those traveling later today and certainly on into the Thanksgiving week, we will not see any problems. No kidding. Tell us a little bit more about the problem exactly. What was it? Well, the FAA has two major computer systems, one in Salt Lake City and one in Atlanta, that process flight plans electronically. So those flight plans then of course go to the controllers, they tell them where the plane is going, what the plane's numbers are. By the way, this is factually incorrect, of course. Everything about that plane, those are all processed electronically by these two major computers. Electronically? When these systems fail, what controllers have to do is input

1:25:01 put that information manually by hand. It takes a lot more time, it slows the system down. They had to increase the distance between planes in the air just as an added measure because they were taking so long to put these flight plans... I can't hear, I can't listen to the lies about this. It's so shallow, this reporting network. here in the United States. Well, and it's shallow for a reason because the actual truth is not being reported. She's making this up as she goes along. Someone's probably typing this into the teleprompter as she's reading because they didn't have any, they had no radar imagery. And for the FAA for this to be, and there's another report, I'll put it in the show notes, one circuit board blew out. What are they running this on? A PET?

1:25:46 A Commodore PET? Come on, how about backups? How about redundant systems? Come on, this is really important. No, it got blown out big time. And this is exactly what happens with an explosion with EMP waves. And there isn't all in all that war going on. It is a war. And it's between these two factions. Yeah, we'll see. I'm not buying this one totally. I'm thinking that they shut the thing down for a while so they can move some airplanes around with bombs on them for some reason and they can't send it so there'll be no record of this occurrence. Well, that doesn't explain the explosion. I don't buy the meteorite thing. I just don't. Yeah, well, the explosion, I think it's just a separate incident but you could, you know, we'll follow it. The timing is very convenient.

1:26:34 Very convenient. There's no such thing as a coincidence. So I am I'm a little slow today. No kidding. I think not! That's just... whoa. Alright, then let's do some cheerful news as we roll it out for today. Goldman Sachs, that's right, the people who are screwing your grandchildren out of their future, will be serving 10,000 free dinners across the city for Thanksgiving after the 500 million dollars they're making available to small businesses. Oh, by the way, could you some over here? Send it on over, Goldman. Hey, Timmy, call your buddies. I need a little bit.

1:27:16 After Lord Blankfein said that they were doing God's work, they've got such a PR nightmare that now they're making all of the, or 300 employees of Goldman Sachs Group, Wall Street's richest firm, have volunteered for the holiday feast and will be tasked with taking out the garbage. "'Goldman wants their volunteers to sweat,' joked Mr. Spooner, who at six foot six towered above a recent tasting session for the meal at Great Performances Kitchens in the SoHo neighborhood. You know, this is, and Goldman is a very tight-knit club. You know, this is what they do, it's like, alright, we've got a PR problem here. Blankfein, as he made a little slip up there and actually admitted that, you know, the big man, God has told us that we're doing his work, so we've got to pull together here, troops. Thanksgiving, cancel your plans. Cancel your life for the rest of the week! We're volunteering, we're getting out there. We're going to show the good people how cool we really are. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do that. Yeah, this will really work. We'll be viewed as heroes.

1:28:20 Talk about you're shallow. Yep. In Afghanistan, one of our producers sent us this. I thought that was interesting. Hold on a second. I think I have a huge pop-up here with video that's going to play. An elite Indiana National Guard unit is patrolling the coast province helping the Afghan farmers to help themselves. Would you believe? that the team known as ADT... Oh yeah, this is... I read about this. In fact, I was looking for a clip that I had of it talking about how this next group of soldiers are being shipped in there but they have to have agricultural experience. Yeah, they have to know a lot about poppy.

1:29:05 That's it, get in there and help this crop because obviously we're not getting the 40,000 worker bees so we're going to have to come up with some other scheme. Robert Klein, Captain Robert Klein himself, a southern Indiana cattle farmer and prosecuting attorney with a master's in accounting says you can't swing a cat in here without hitting someone with an advanced degree. That's right, these guys are out there. They're doing projects including animal husbandry and para-vet training, water projects to improve irrigation and erosion control, rangeland management, Seed improvement fertilizer application training how much you want to bet Monsanto is gonna come up with their own? I was just gonna go there of a poppy seed totally a better poppy a better really loaded with with a lot of Opium brought to you by the fine folks over at Monsanto Who also bring you public broadcasting yes, do you see the connections? Do you play that clip again?

1:30:08 the Wayne Dwyer clip? No, no, no. The one that you got with the woman with the local radio station. Oh yes, the Monsanto clip you mean. Yeah. It's a television station. It's not a radio station. It's a television station. Yeah, here it is. So this is the National Treasure. Okay, this is public broadcasting supposedly made possible by people like you. But oh no, here's who's really underwriting the program. Support for WAMU 88.5 comes from Monsanto. Committed to sustainable agriculture and creating hybrid and biotech seeds designed to increase crop yields and conserve natural resources. More at producemoreconservemore.com. So do you think that there will be a negative Monsanto story on that program?

1:30:51 Hmm, let me think. Do you think there would be any critical thinking going on whatsoever about Monsanto on that program? Well, let me think about it real hard. Yeah. Yeah, so that's your national treasure. All right. It's called co-opting. It's an old trick, you know. Stalin used to do it. So I guess, and this is something I came up with in the bath last night as we were soaking. I said, you know, screw it. I don't care. Here's what's going to happen. Because we can't single-handedly save the world. There's a couple hundred thousand people who are pretty much in tune with what we're doing.

1:31:35 And those who aren't, they're going to take the shot and they're going to die. And it's going to be good because then we can start all over again. It could be good. It could be turning into zombies. It might not be good at all. There was a book I saw at the airport. I got to pick it up. It was like how to survive the zombie attack or something. I think I got to pick that one up. There just might be something in it for me. Yeah, well, if they turn into zombies, that will be problematic. I agree. So that's where the firepower comes in. But essentially, let it go. The people who are listening, spread the word to your loved ones, people you care about. If they don't want to join in, fine. They'll be dead and we'll just start all over again. We've got urban farms in Detroit now.

1:32:22 which is a very natural cycle. Yeah, I've got a couple of stories on the urban farms. You know, there's these lots all over the place, these deserted homes, and the place is a mess. Especially the more interesting parts. And so, of course, you know, Obama's doing nothing for them. Ah, there's the 1045 right on time. So they're going, yeah, on its way to Sacramento. And so people are growing, you know, corn. So one final list here that I have for you, and again all of this in the show notes which we do a lot of work on at noagendershow.com where you can also donate, alright, so that we can continue to scoff Monsanto who are underwriting and paying for and influencing your national treasure of public broadcasting. Here's a little list of potential new vaccines for 2009. Vaccines for cocaine abuse.

1:33:19 Vaccine wait, wait, stop stop. Yes. I didn't know cocaine abuse was a disease with a disease vector. Oh, yeah, it's a virus. It's been going around must be a fire. Oh, it's a virus. I must be Development of active and passive human vaccines to treat met amphetamine addiction So that if you work in a meth lab you can be safe vaccines against nicotine neglected tropical diseases vaccines Neglected? Neglected, yes. For vaccines we've neglected. For tropical diseases we've neglected. So they're gonna want me to get a yellow fever shot? Yes, oh yeah, because you don't want to neglect that. How about prion diseases? What's that? What's a prion disease? Prion? That's bull. There's no vaccine for that. Preventative vaccines against prion disease. It's a coming. I don't... yeah. Hookworm? Human hook hookworm?

1:34:21 Don't you just take a couple of worm pills and you're fine? No, you'll take a shot. Is hookworm a real problem? People are getting hookworm left and right? I mean, I haven't heard about it. You know, John, they just have to step in crap to get hookworm, literally. They just haven't started the campaign yet. We've now seen how easy it is to make a big deal out of a flu. Just the flu. So a hookworm, I mean you could make it sound... Oh my god, do you have the HH? John, do you have the HH, the human hookworm? The human hookworm? That hookworm gets in you, it hooks into your organs, it does... It's all about the marketing. Come on, this is what we've learned. We have a new generation of inactivated poliovirus vaccines coming. Rotavirus, this one will be next. I'm not quite sure what rotavirus is. Do you know what that is?

1:35:17 No. Okay, Ed this is in the pipeline, I've just I've read the documents GlaxoSmithKline all these guys have rotavirus in the pipeline so they're gonna come out with some scary story about that pretty quick. Leishman, first-generation Leishmaniasis Do you know what that is? No, I don't know what half this stuff is. DNA vaccines for to enhance immune responses. So essentially it's like a vitamin shot. Straight adjuvant. Yeah. Hey man, I don't want my, don't water my adjuvant down man. Give it to me. Straight and boink. Here it is. Adjuvants for vaccine development. Streptococcal conjugate vaccine.

1:36:04 You know these guys should be working on antibiotics a little more, less of this bull crap. We got a tuberculosis problem in this country and it's going worldwide because we have these other things like these MRSA, these streptococcus infections and we need antibacterial, we need good old-fashioned antibiotics and they haven't developed a new one because the money's in this bull crap that they're doing. I mean, these companies should be busted up. Well, it's going to be really big. They're also in bed with the tobacco industry because now there's all this proof coming out that you can grow vaccines in tobacco plants and caterpillars

1:36:49 So invest in caterpillars, but there's a lot of vaccines being developed with that. Oh, here's one, a vaccine for the treatment of obesity. How about not eating? There is a TB vaccine. There is a tuberculosis vaccine in the pipeline. So they're working on it. But again, all of these, the idea of, we've all kind of bought into this idea that the science is clear. Shoot the shit into someone first, then they won't, boost the immune system, then we won't get it later.

1:37:27 But there's no real science on, okay, what does this really do to you if you're boosting people's immune systems, you're giving kids 20 shots before they're five years old. You know, we are at the end of the day made of like water and electricity and protons and stuff. You know, it just can't hold... I like the description. We get a nasty note from someone, what is Adam talking about, protons? Well, I'm a layman. He's using protons out of context. Yes, what the hell do I know? Ah. Alright. Okay, if only we had more money, we'd have more time to do more research on this and I could actually learn about protons. Okay? There's your answer. You want me to be more educated? Give us some money so I can quit my day job. It will send him to school. Yeah, send Adam to school. That's it. We need to do PSAs. Fight the zombies. Donate to No Agenda.

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