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00:01 Does it require you have to go to a seminar where you have to sit down for hours and not take a leak? Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's November 8th, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 146. This is no agenda. We're looking over here while you're looking over there. And coming to you from the minimum security containment cell in Gitmo Nation West San Francisco, California, In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak. So Taylor Swift was on Saturday Night Live apparently last night. We missed it. You know I was gonna tell you, it's actually gonna be one of my first topics for this morning.

01:03 Yesterday or last night I was looking at trending topics on Twitter which is kind of, I like that a lot because it's kind of like a pulse, you know, the nation of the universe, what people are talking about. And so of course a couple of interesting things have happened. Yesterday a monumental bill was passed. in the Senate and I look at the trending topics, I'm going from the top of the list down. Top of the list is three words after sex, then there's SNL, Taylor Swift, and then health care reform. I'm so happy we have our priorities completely set straight here.

01:43 Yeah, I think we nailed it. So, yeah, I didn't see it. Obviously. I did watch some of the debate yesterday. Actually quite a lot of the debate yesterday. It was dreadful. Yeah, it's Mickey's hair. We had to go up with, went to a benefit dinner last night and Mickey's hairdresser Will came in and they're like, what is this boring stuff you're watching? Who are these old guys being so boring? Yeah, that's your government at work, dude. It was pretty boring actually. Yeah, I know it was because this debate has already taken place. I mean, we're just just a rerun. There was these two guys I have that I didn't send you this clip, but these these two guys it was amazing was a two Republicans. It was 10 p.m. Eastern Time and they had the whole house to themselves and I guess some you know, some bored guy had to stay there with his gavel. What time did it end?

02:44 Well, this was something else. This was this I don't know what time it ended. I don't know somebody, you know, I did you watch any of the coverage yesterday? I was personally I was enthralled. I'm like, oh man, it's so interesting how this is happening and people just saying they're going Yes, no did to did not man and it's like and then they vote. Yes, I don't get it. It's weird. Yeah. Well, they yeah, I don't know We're going to have to let it shake out, go over this bill. They still have to, you know, it's still not the final. Oh, okay. Hold on. First of all, before we move another muscle, who is today's executive producer, John? Yes. Today's executive producer, and thanks for reminding me, is the inimitable James Briscoe

03:35 as he likes to put it, our one listener on Gitmo Island, Long Island, Gitmo Long Island. Okay. Long Gitmo Island, whatever we want to call it, in the little town of Bayshore. And he gave us 233.63 with a rather long explanation which I can read now or later. And I think I'll save it for the rundown of the other contributors. But anyway. But let's thank him very much for being this episode's executive producer. You can put that on your resume as executive producer of No Agenda, episode 146, starring John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry in a cast of thousands. It might get you work.

04:18 He's given us money before, it seems to me that he doesn't need work. He's a generous guy. But he's apparently a... he's something of... I don't want to disparage anybody, but he's something of a nerd geek. because he has a obviously is he has an explanation for this this odd amount that we'll get to it later on defies all logic but anyway and I also want to thank or maybe not just think but also well thank and inform people who've donated to this show last night I took $1,000 of no agenda donations and gave that to the interplast foundation so they're very happy with that

05:03 What's Interplast, explain. Interplast is a very interesting organization. They've been around for 40 years and what they do is mainly in third world countries. It's a very funny, it's an organization where plastic surgeons who don't only just do Hollywood wives, believe it or not, you know there are some like people who actually need corrective surgery because they look pretty messed up. They go to third world countries and they do, they perform surgeries on children who have cleft lips and burns, particularly in many countries in Africa. If you're born with a cleft lip then you have, everyone has the same name if they have a cleft lip which is Ajok.

05:49 And that means cursed by God, and so these kids can't go to school, they have no future, etc. So they perform about, I think, 6,000 surgeries a year. And I like the organization because there's no bullshit. There's no... They do a dinner like this, it's all about raising money. There's no show, it's just, boom, here are the people who are doing the work. I raised $730,000 last night. It's pretty outstanding, yeah. It was more than they raised last year even in this economy. And it was good. I like it. Mickey's foundation actually gave a whole shitload of money. She had one of those giant checks.

06:31 This is a check you guys use anyway. Yeah, those really big checks. No, but she really had an enlarged check, which of course I had to carry around all night. So her foundation gave out a huge amount of money. It was fun. But anyway, I thought I'd take some of the no agenda money and put it towards that. Good. So what's uh... and you didn't see Taylor Swift, did you get to watch her? No, so unfortunately I was out doing good John, I'm sorry I missed Taylor Swift. You have a VCR, or a DVR. A VCR, no, you have the VCR. I however have high cutting edge technology. Yeah, well you can push the button on that high cutting edge technology and watch the show. I don't care, I don't want to watch Taylor Swift. I don't, I don't like her. I have to admit the songs are kind of cute when you hear them on the radio. I listen to The Wolf.

07:18 95.7 FM it's the wolf! That's the new country station in San Francisco. I never heard of it. Oh it's a great station it's almost like 80s rock music because that's where all the rockers went is to country. It's the only radio that'll still play kind of rock and roll. That's what country is to come. Did you see V? You mean the series? Yeah, it just started this week. Oh is it a new series? It's back? We're taking bets on whether you actually saw it. I know I remember I have a copy for you. I made a dub of the show. Who was taking bets? Everybody.

08:02 Because it's about it's essentially it's like a metaphor for for Obama They come down talking about hope and health care. This is we're gonna bring a universal health care. I mean It was I it's on ABC I Can't wait these aliens are all lizards by the way, but this but this is I thought this had already I This has been on television a decade ago. I mean am I wrong? Try 20 years ago. But is it the same series or is it a new version? It's a new version completely built from scratch. It's a different kind of subtext. Well I'm sorry John, I'm watching C-SPAN trying to get some information about what's happening with the country and you're watching V. I went out of my way

08:49 to just double copy so anyway I have a copy for you to watch it later and you can but I'm not gonna watch it sucks okay so let's start with that okay well then why would you want me to watch it if it's don't don't because it's a bunch of propaganda that's very interesting I think you get a kick out of it there's a big debate going online about whether or not this is a pro Obama or anti Obama series oh okay I'm sorry I'm not in touch I'm out there doing good for the world. It's David Ike not Ike The lizards, it's reptiles, it's not lizards, it's reptiles. They're reptilian and they're hot looking. Oh, are they milfy? Milfy reptiles. So there's that. I like it. I like it. So I win the bet. Anyway, so uh... How much did you win? Five thousand dollars. Hold on, let me mark that. That will be good for the beginning of the show. I just gotta keep marking stuff. All right.

09:52 There was a good... Well, we can go... We got our main topics. We can do a little Iraqi freedom. There's a new government report. I just sent you a copy of it, PDF. Flipping around. Operation Iraqi Freedom preliminary observations on DOD planning for the drawdown of US forces from Iraq. This is from the GAO, the General Accounting Office. Hold on, I'm bringing it up right now. And this came out when? I love reading these reports. Yeah, no, these reports are good. They're very well done. This came out on November 2nd. And it's all about the drawdown. Nobody, of course, is reporting on this. Why would journalists actually read this? I mean, that seems like actual work.

10:30 work. you a link to it. Never a link, never ever a link. It's not hard to find, thanks to Google, but I totally agree. I was reading the New York Times this morning online because I wanted to catch up on what happened with the vote for the 3692 I think, HR 36, is it 3692 or 3962, whatever, the healthcare bill, the making shit better for Americans.

11:10 and exactly the same thing. There's not even a link to the actual bill. I have to go googling that. It's like the New York Times doesn't even provide that link. It seems lame. I know where it comes from. I've been there and done that. It's these editors and the guys who run these things, they don't know how online works, which is of course where they're all going out of business. They say, oh no, once they leave the site, they'll never come back. Do you remember when, and I'm talking 95, 96, We at the time like the company I had then you know we talked with the Tribune company in Chicago and New York Times And we were trying to tell them like you know your lunch is going to be eaten in fact It's happening right in front of you and mainly it's your classifieds, but oh yeah Maybe you'd like to get some real news stuff working online, and they didn't have internet access They had this proprietary system with these really funky terminals. Do you remember that?

10:30 work. you a link to it. Never a link, never ever a link. It's not hard to find, thanks to Google, but I totally agree. I was reading the New York Times this morning online because I wanted to catch up on what happened with the vote for the 3692 I think, HR 36, is it 3692 or 3962, whatever, the healthcare bill, the making shit better for Americans.

11:10 and exactly the same thing. There's not even a link to the actual bill. I have to go googling that. It's like the New York Times doesn't even provide that link. It seems lame. I know where it comes from. I've been there and done that. It's these editors and the guys who run these things, they don't know how online works, which is of course where they're all going out of business. They say, oh no, once they leave the site, they'll never come back. Do you remember when, and I'm talking 95, 96, We at the time like the company I had then you know we talked with the Tribune company in Chicago and New York Times And we were trying to tell them like you know your lunch is going to be eaten in fact It's happening right in front of you and mainly it's your classifieds, but oh yeah Maybe you'd like to get some real news stuff working online, and they didn't have internet access They had this proprietary system with these really funky terminals. Do you remember that?

12:02 Yeah, I could tell you the name of those things in a minute. You probably have one still. No, I never use those things. I always used regular computers and even in the 80s I always would find the news, I was writing for the Examiner, I was also writing for a bunch of communist newspapers. I would always find the IT guy and say how can I just inject my stuff right into the system? And they always gave me a code and access. phone number and I was I've been filing electronically since 1980. Oh you so you'd mode them in? Yeah. Cool. Yeah. You needed a bunch of screwball codes that they tell you what they were like how you end a paragraph you had to put these different things in. Of course you had to open a terminal session first of all after you initiated your slip or PPP connection.

12:51 Do you remember when we used to have to log into the internet, you'd have to dial in. This is pre-internet. This is direct call. No, no, no. Oh, that was what you were doing. But I remember early days of internet, you had to dial in, you got a Unix shell account and then you had to initiate the slip connection and then you had to start your stack. It's gotten so much better. Yeah, but you had said yeah, but anyway, so they were on proprietary systems well into the late 90s. They didn't even have internet access at these companies and you're absolutely right. Oh, don't put any links because they'll leave the site. Whereas what we found out is that if you actually put links in your on your web blog, etc. And you send people away, that's when they actually do come back. Like, hey, this is a place that will find interesting shit for me to look at.

13:41 I don't get it. I added to this day the fact that you're still reading New York Times. You know, the online, some of the online writers on the New York Times managed to get a lot of links in that link away. But the mainstream reporters, they, you know, they don't do it. They've never, why should I put a link? I'm just, I'm going to report on it. I am going to say what I think of it. And I will give the people the information. No one else needs to have access to the core data. This notion that you're a gateway to the information is ridiculous. When people can see these things for themselves, I'm always amused by... And the reports, they quote from the report and they do this and then they never give you the report to look at. They could be taking stuff out of context for all you know. And often they are. Or at least it's an interpretation. Absolutely.

14:32 Do you remember the name of the terminal yet just for prosperity's sake? Well, there was one terminal. This isn't the main one, but there was also a thing called the bubble terminal, which was I think the remote ones that they take on the road. But I'm thinking it was a whole system. And it'll come to me probably before the end of the show. Okay, so yeah we could talk about a number of things. We don't have to dive straight into headlines necessarily. I wanted to ask you one thing before we actually get started with real news. Have you heard of the GTD system, getting things done? Is this another book you just read? No, I didn't read the book. It does stem from a book, but it's a way of organizing time management, which I've read all the books, you know, the seven tips from five million highly successful people, how to organize, what color is my parachute, all that crap.

15:29 But this one I kept reading about GTD and in fact I was reading about it in the in the In all these app stores for the G phone and the iPhone I'm like, you know, what is this GTD that people are raving about if you if you google GTD Which is the abbreviation for getting things done? There's millions of links and there's all these different software programs and websites that apply this Systemology and I'm pretty unorganized And I'd have to say I'm are you unorganized or disorganized? Yes, whatever it is. You're worse

16:08 Oh, yeah, particularly not denying it. No, no, but so I guess it would be Well, what is it? What is the difference between unorganized and disorganized? I don't know. I just threw it out there dude to try to humiliate you. Thank you Well, I think I'm probably I think it disorganizes the word you want I know organized I think it means the same thing, but I don't think anyone uses unorganized except maybe you okay. Well, let me be disorganized then for But I've been applying this methodology and I gotta say it's kind of working. Have you ever tried any of these? Yeah, I've tried them and then after a while I kind of forget how they work and then it falls apart again. So you're recommending this to me? Well, I'm in day three of this and I recommend you at least give it a try. There's actually a million different software packages that apply this. Does it require you have to go to a seminar where you have to sit down for hours and not take a leak? No. Wait a minute. That's another one I got to mark.

17:08 No, no, it doesn't require that. The idea is reasonably simple. It just splits it up into four different steps. The first one is collecting shit, which I think you and I are both good at. It's, oh yeah, oh yeah, I gotta do this, oh yeah, I gotta talk about this, oh I've gotta do this, oh I gotta call that guy. So one is collecting stuff. Then you make decisions about not when you're gonna do it, but what context you might wanna attack this particular task. And then and then you basically Review stuff on a periodic basis. I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and explain the whole thing I was wondering if you'd heard about it. No, it's it's very very interesting. I'll send you there's a like a white paper Just read the first paragraph In fact, I'll put that in the show notes read the first paragraph and you kind of get the idea But I'm using a man's it involved changing your diet or hypnosis. No No, it does not

18:03 No! It's simple and it's good for disorganized people like you and I. I think it's pretty cool. I'm using OmniFocus on the Mac to apply this theory and so far I'm pretty happy. All I know is... But you've only been doing it for three days. Yeah, but I did have the milk for the pancakes this morning. Oh. So it works. It works. I bought milk, it works! I love the system. I actually, I put my underwear on the right way. Check. Well you're Mr. List. You know you... I like lists. I always tell people when they screw up that where's your list? Where's your checklist? Right, so if you like lists, you'll like getting things done. It's based on lists, only the system kind of organized the shit for you and instead of like, oh... Because you know, I bet you have a million lists that you haven't checked everything off.

19:01 uh... yeah i have a list of the list of the this is good stuff man getting things done gtd google it is again is a man i look at it i could use the help i mean i'm not i'm not so stuffy that i wouldn't like you know the same maybe something like this works i'm in fact i'm pretty amazed you hadn't heard of it and uh... and i don't know a lot of things I do know one thing. I did make a little list of things we were supposed to talk about last week and didn't talk about this week, including my experience at Canadian Customs. Oh yes, please do tell. So what a bunch of dicks those guys are. You think our people are bad? Now is this Customs or TSA? Because there's a distinct difference. Both. Custom guys were jerks, but they weren't as bad. The TSA in Canada is worse than ours. They're blah blah blah blah blah. Now do they wear those Mountie hats? No. No, they should.

19:55 So I go through there and they're like, you know, you know, they got all the wands and they're making you do this and then finally they don't make you take your shoes off but everything else has got to go. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. They don't make you take your shoes off? Isn't that like a violation of some secret airport security code? I mean you could be a shoe bomber for all I know. As long as the shoes don't beep I guess. Well you have those Crocs that you always wear. I look at dorks. Let's get it straight. Dorks. Not Crocs, dorks. And they're not Crocs, they're Speedos. Nuff said. Well, I wear, I always say, yeah, I wear Speedos to work. I amuse myself with that line, by the way. Yeah. So anyway, so you go, so I went in there and they're like checking through this and that and then X-ray and this and that and the other thing and they're, you know, they're putting a bag through two or three times and they bring out the, they brought out the, and they're slow, really slow.

20:49 and you know and then they and they get you somebody pre-grills you before the stuff goes into the machine. Oh wait, so they have a pre-screening process? Yeah, like the Israelis have and you go to Israel. Right, right. They basically ask you a million questions. But that's only if you fly LL. Actually I was on TWA and had that experience. Well TWA at the time was owned by an Israeli so it's kind of the same thing. So anyway, I'm going through and they and so the thing was funny to watch because they saw my you know my I had to pull out the bag full of Yeah, whatever. You don't tell don't tell us what was in the bag, you know, I was toothpastes and oh You're you're four ounces or less baggy. Yeah, I'd like three three point two ounces. I believe 100 milliliters. Oh

21:34 You know, it's interesting because it is a hundred milliliters in Europe, but in the US they say four ounces which is technically... No, no, it's 3.2 ounces, it's not four ounces. Are you sure? Yeah, which is a hundred milliliters. It's exactly the same amount. And... I'm going to look that up. Look it up while I'm giving you the story. So I have this shave foam can that is huge. And so this thing goes through. First they had me pull it out of my regular suitcase, even though I rarely do that, because most guys just, yeah, who cares? But anyway, so I pull it out and put it through the bag. And so this big, this thing flies through and there's this big, and this woman, I swear to God, her eyes just bulge like she's got me. I've got one. I've got one. I get to reprimand somebody for bringing in a can of something. Then I get to steal the can and take it home.

22:21 But it turns out that you can shave her beard. So it turns out to be just a can of shave foam with a bladder in it because it's got no aerosols and so it's kind of oversized but it's very clearly I bought it in England actually it's very clear on the side it says 75 milliliters. Which is way under. So I've never seen, it's like she was depressed, she just dropped, she went, aww. Aw crap. Yeah, bummer. It's 3.4 ounces. Okay, 3.4. Anyway, she was bummed. Damn! Damn, I almost had him!

22:57 And then she takes forever to give me this stuff back because I'm just like, you know, I'm not like you yelling at me. Here it is. And then they take him around out back and then... I've been waiting to play that. Yeah, you'll be playing it a lot, I'm sure. Yeah, definitely. So then they wait, so they're waiting forever to give it back to you. Yeah and then they tell me I can go. But I mean, but it was just the, their attitude was actually worse than ours. And do you think they have the same type of training? It's the same boneheads? It looks like the same group. They all come out of the same cookie cutter. There was a, there was an excellent article by a former cop, someone sent it to me a couple weeks ago, who was actually skilled in interrogation processes.

23:44 And she started saying, when you have to go through the puffer machine, she started saying, do I have the right to refuse? And the minute you do that, they freak out. But then they start doing searches and she says that their search techniques are all wrong. They're probably not even trained in body searches, it's so bad. Oh really? Yeah. That's interesting, I never thought about that. Yeah. Does that make sense? Because all they have is the wand, they go up and down and pat you here and there and tickle you. Well even the pat down is supposed to happen in a certain way, you know, with the back of the hand, never with the palm. So there's all these specific ways and she was just astounded at how poorly they are because people rarely request.

24:28 a pat-down instead of going through the machine and the minute you do that they get all flustered and then you know they they're like you know we'll have to call a supervisor over and and you do have the right to actually ask for a pat-down instead there's signs everywhere at least at US airports I'll send you and another one I gotta write this down another thing I'll put in the show notes it was a very interesting story I didn't think that to bring it up the other day but now that you're talking about the Canadian TSA what are they called actually the TSA in Canada I don't know. Le TSA? I have no idea. I didn't ask. I was to work to even have a conversation. So you found it irritating? It was very, it was annoying. I'm sure the Canadians feel the same way about our version of the same thing, but it's like, you know, going to Canada for God's sake. Well, you'll never do that again.

25:19 No, I like Canada. I like going there. We have Canadians who give us money and I like seeing what they're up to. Although I think they're getting brainwashed horribly. I think they have to really be inundated because the Canadians are actually kind of cynical. Well for those of you who are from Canada, who are brand new to NOAGENDA, our formula is very simple. It works like this. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Yeah, sometimes we even do it to TSA, but then in kind of like a non-literal sense. Yes. So we also have somebody wrote in complaining that we or asking or requesting not complaining but requesting that we somewhere or somebody or maybe somebody should volunteer to do this which is to post an extremely low bitrate version of the show.

26:13 Why? Well this guy apparently lives in the middle of nowhere, out back of Australia or some place, where he has nothing but dial up and he says he can barely get the show as it is, even though he's got somebody, I guess somebody did it, low bit rated it for him so he has a small file. I think as a minor audience, I mean I've always... Well I wouldn't mind serving the audience without a doubt, it's just a matter of time, you know, post-show after we're done recording, it takes forever to do all this shit. I think we can have somebody out there volunteer to put up a little site of low bitrate, no agenda, and just recode it for us and just post it for people like this guy. Yeah, although it actually would be better if we did a low bitrate from the original file, because I record the show in AIFF, so that's high, you know, uncompressed quality.

27:01 And then it would be better to do it from that instead of from the compressed mp3 which is already You know, so what are we doing 64 kilobits? That's already pretty low. That's really low. Yeah, but he wants like 10 This is the guy with the beta max, right? Yeah, well if someone out there would would do it for us You know whatever I can set up to help be happy to do I'm still trying to get the links to work right on our Squarespace site and this is freaking me out and Yeah, they don't, they should be cut and pasteable. That's what I'm doing, I'm cutting and pasting, you know, now I have to like go create all HTML. It's something with Squarespace or maybe it's something with Amevio, I don't know what it is, but it's... Yeah, we'll resolve it eventually. Yes, it'll fix itself. John and I, our theory is simple. It'll fix itself eventually, someone will make it work. And it always does. Yes, eventually it does.

27:56 Alright, you got some clips John. Let's do some clips. Alright, let's see. What do we have here? Let's just start with our friends, you know the propaganda machine called law and order but which by the way is now having two messages per show because I think that Dick Wolf realizes NBC is close to going down the tubes because of their Jay Leno strategy and And you know the other thing that's going on with Jay Leno and his strategy is that the Jay Leno show is being boycotted by a lot of actors and actresses and directors. Oh do tell, why? Well because they took the 10 o'clock drama spot. Oh of course, they took the drama off, right. And that means people lose a lot of work. They get to go on the Leno show for scale, you know 300 bucks or whatever they pay.

28:39 So you're telling me that the actors and directors and maybe perhaps even the guilds are actually saying we're going to punish NBC By not even promoting the stuff that we do do do because it's it's kind of it's competing against the 10 o'clock hour on the other two networks the other two networks if we said hey you need oh John Don't show Yeah, you dropped out for a second. And this is kind of just desserts because when Leno first got his gig, when he managed to get Carson to quit, his manager was blackballing everybody who did anybody else's show for I think it was over a year. Right, yeah, that competition was huge, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, and it was nasty. If you went on Letterman, then you forget about it. You wouldn't appear on Leno for two years or whatever.

29:26 Yeah, so that was, you know, so now he's getting it back but with actual rationale rather than just an out-and-out black ball, there's a real good reason for it. So meanwhile, it seems to me that Dick Wolf is, because like, I think it was last, it was during the week, there was either, maybe it was Thursday or Tuesday, one of them, they had like back-to-back law and orders, the regular law and order, the old one, back-to-back, that were both new. Let's have a new law and order at 8, let's have a new law and order at 9. And what does that air on what network? NBC again. The law and order used to be one of the 10 o'clock dramas. So now it's 8 o'clock. It's 8 o'clock or 9 o'clock, but whatever it is, it's not when people expect it. And you know, the whole network is losing out on this crazy scheme. Although I looked at the numbers, you know, NBC Universal, so that's the entertainment unit of General Electric, who of course make all of our army shit.

30:22 They had like a hundred and eighteen million dollars in profit. They were the most profitable unit of General Electric, which I can only presume is because they reduced costs so drastically by cutting out all the drama shows, but they're trying to sell it. They're trying to get rid of that. I heard that. So anyway, so now we're seeing two messages, because I figure Wolf is just going for it. But he gets his talking points from the White House and here we go. So here are the... but I found one of the new messages that's kind of interesting. Play the NYC number one clip. Now? Yeah. Frank says you haven't been eating since the chemo started. You two been talking behind my back? Point is I got this friend back in Burlington. A nurse had a cancer war. She gave me something that might help.

31:11 Wow Okay, so they brought that out and then this is pretty consistent. What's been happening? You know recently all of a sudden it's like oh, you know the the feds are gonna ease back and medical marijuana is gonna be okay I think they just harvested too much and you know The military transport was filled with too much weed and they had to do so they got to move the product, you know, they can't Hey call wolf man, tell him to put some shit in that show of his so people start smoking that

31:52 So the next scene, which is the NYC2 clip, has her, you know, she's this, a patha, whatever her name is, the actress that plays the chief or the head inspector or the boss. she uh... has uh... cancer cervical cancer by the way all let me guess and we have a good we already had the episode where they asked she said what you did take in the vaccine you got it right okay was not going to know that she doesn't do anything but so uh... so now she's uh... you know so she's you have anything in chemo so they've tried to get a smoke dope So now I guess she's smoking it and the chief of police comes wandering in with one of the best lines I think we have to when you it's at the end of the clip one of the best lines I think I've ever heard on a law and order but you can play it because this is kind of the twist this is kind of the strange turn of events propagandistically and else and otherwise and I just like to correct you it's not weed it's the holy herb hit it

32:55 Chief! You fellas give us a minute? Sure. Word came back to me that someone in the building smelled marijuana on you. Are you out of your mind? You have 22 years in, a pension. Chief, I can explain. Save it. These mints could take bark off a tree. They'll clear your breath. Okay. I need to get me some of them mints. ...hour and change your clothes after you smoke. This guy sells medicinal dope. He's careful and discreet. We clear? Yeah, sure. Chief? Ball cancer. Three years ago. That stuff got me through it. Did he say ball cancer?

33:45 I mean that's a good line. You gotta take that clip. It's just ball cancer. Ball cancer. Three years ago. Yeah. But so, do I understand the storyline properly that a cop is, has cancer and is smoking medical marijuana? Is that what I'm understanding? Okay, well that's obviously a problem. Because it does impair your ability to shoot. She's an office cop. Okay, all right, so she's just doing paperwork pretty much I got some tickets here cancer cancer and the way he says it by the way I'm at the shooter because it's not just ball cancers ball

34:28 Ball cancer that's because of course, you know NBC's and different dick wolf. They're very smart They know the typical viewer of these programs, you know, don't understand what the word testicle means So they have to use the other people not balls. Oh like your fucking thing between your legs, right? Was that test to get test get the thing? It's smart just on on law and order One of our producers sent me a note saying, hey, you know, you guys were talking about the abortion episode. Remember that one that we played clips from? He thought that perhaps, you know, yesterday part of the big debate on the health care bill was actually about the abortion issue. And so he said, hey, maybe that was why they knew this was coming up and this was going to be a big problem or a big part of the bill and concessions had to be made and maybe that's why they started messaging that in law and order.

33:45 I mean that's a good line. You gotta take that clip. It's just ball cancer. Ball cancer. Three years ago. Yeah. But so, do I understand the storyline properly that a cop is, has cancer and is smoking medical marijuana? Is that what I'm understanding? Okay, well that's obviously a problem. Because it does impair your ability to shoot. She's an office cop. Okay, all right, so she's just doing paperwork pretty much I got some tickets here cancer cancer and the way he says it by the way I'm at the shooter because it's not just ball cancers ball

34:28 Ball cancer that's because of course, you know NBC's and different dick wolf. They're very smart They know the typical viewer of these programs, you know, don't understand what the word testicle means So they have to use the other people not balls. Oh like your fucking thing between your legs, right? Was that test to get test get the thing? It's smart just on on law and order One of our producers sent me a note saying, hey, you know, you guys were talking about the abortion episode. Remember that one that we played clips from? He thought that perhaps, you know, yesterday part of the big debate on the health care bill was actually about the abortion issue. And so he said, hey, maybe that was why they knew this was coming up and this was going to be a big problem or a big part of the bill and concessions had to be made and maybe that's why they started messaging that in law and order.

35:21 that could be done abortion amendment i know for their own fault it was a huge issue apparently most of yesterday's debate when it really came down to it was about uh... government-funded abortion. And that has been brought back or restricted. I don't know where to read what they actually talked about. Where can I find the action? When is the final final? This is not the final, John? I thought that it was now done. It's over. We have another round to go? I don't know. Unless this is the bill that came from the Senate and now is being approved by the House, I don't think so. It's just a House bill. Okay, so it goes House to the Senate to the Senate to the House?

36:01 put your right foot in take your left foot out? Well it normally goes from the house to the senate to the president. Right but then what how can you say it's not isn't this the house? Well the senate dreamed up some bill recently. Okay wait a minute so that you have the house bill you've got the senate bill now they have to be merged and then there's another vote is that the deal? Generally. Well, I thought but you just said usually the house goes to the Senate. I don't know, I mean the way they're doing this one is beyond me. But you're a political scientist, you should know these things. They write a bill, it goes to the House, they send it over to the Senate and the Senate says, you know, we're going to change it to this, that, we can approve this. You said okay with you guys at the House? They say, yeah, sure. And the boom, it goes to the President, he signs it, the thing becomes law. So isn't that what's supposed to happen next? This is the most complicated process I've ever seen. I don't know what they're up to. I can't figure it out.

36:45 Well if you can't figure it out then we're lost! No we're not! Well I don't get it! I mean you said that you just told me this was not the final thing now you've confused me I thought it was done! Well as far as I know it's not the final thing I could be wrong! John, before... It's a slow, complicated process. Before we go any further... And then it also has to go to these finance committees to make sure that they can afford it, you know? It's the whole thing is about... I don't know, I thought that this was all taken care of. I mean, this is very confusing. I don't know, I mean, they've got amendments they gotta put in, and then it's gotta go back and be checked for its numbers. I, you know, it's just like... Okay, so this is not the final, final, final, final. There will be yet another document that we can read so we actually know what it means.

37:25 I'm guessing yes. Or is that going to be one of those documents that says in line 32, referencing this, you have to go back and forth between 18 million documents. Oh, I hate that so much. And now, back to Real News. I'm sorry, John, I have to interrupt the flow here to bring you some real news as Glamour Magazine has announced their Women of the Year for 2009. These are the women who have contributed to just outstanding contributions to society and the advancement of women in general. These are the heroes of today's woman. I'd like to bring you the list as I'm sure you will agree with many of them, but not all. Would you like to hear the women of the year 2009 as voted by Glamour Magazine? Oh, I'm on pins and needles. Number one woman of the year is none other than Rihanna.

38:17 What yeah, you know who she is. He's a singer. Yes What a woman because her boyfriend Chris Brown beat her in the face, then you become woman of the year Okay, no, that's the woman who got beat up. Yes So now you're a strong woman because she's you know, her face looks fine now So good job. You took a beating and you're still there Rihanna number two is Maria Shriver who is just a Kennedy Right? That's enough to become a woman of the year. I think that's enough. Then we have... Yeah, no, I think all Kennedy's should be women of the year. Even the men. Even the male Kennedy's. Absolutely. Well, many of them. Anyway. Then Stella McCartney, of course, she is daughter of a Beatle, which right there gives you... You know, she does have her own creds. She's got her clothing line, you know, which has varying reviews, as many do, but... It sucks. Yeah.

39:14 Then there's Amy Poehler, she's from Saturday Night Live. Amy Poehler is a comic. Yes, that's correct. She's a woman of the year. How come Tina Fey isn't topping her on the list? Because she's no longer with Saturday Night Live. Lorne Michaels had to make a decision and he said, well, let Amy have it this year. Now the next one is, I would like to bang her so hard, is Marissa Meyer from Google. Have you ever met her? Yes, oh yeah. And this is a great picture of her, you've got to look at it. She looks photogenic, I've never met her. She's in a red dress and she's sitting on one of those red balls like the one that Leo always sits on. Yeah, a ball, it's a big ball. Ball cancer! But she just brings out something very animalistic in me. I can't help it.

40:11 Okay, then we have Serena Williams. Then we have Jane Aronson. Who the hell is Jane Aronson? I don't know. Oh, she's the guardian angel. This is a bunch of bull, this list, you know. Well, it gets better because I'm leading up to a point. So then we have Susan Rice, who is of course communications director? No, no, no, not communications director. She's US ambassador to the United Nations How come Hillary Clinton's not on this list? Well, no the the the final two John and these are the ones that really count

40:49 You know Lee and Laura Ling women are your cow Okay, it is crying Chinese journalists who they are women of the year because according to glamour magazine They are extraordinary women who were brave and resourceful Reporting a story that no one else has they showed remarkable courage and initiative during their ordeal That's actually Al Gore who said, wow, yeah, that's bad. Yeah, that's a bad list. You know how these lists are done. I tell people this all the time because I've been in the editorial room many a time and you sit around usually over lunch. Yeah. While eating. What kind of lunch? Is it a good lunch? Or is it a is it just kind of like a box of sandwiches? You know, just a good sandwich lunch. And pop you know, with with with potato chips.

41:38 And you sit there and you start making the list up. Usually there's a whiteboard someplace and you start moving names around. Then you get into a debate with people. I don't think that she should be number two. Well, he didn't do an interview with us last year. I'll give you, I'll move her to number four if you let me put so-and-so to number three. Okay, I can do that. And so it's just this like phony thing and then you put it together. Is everybody in agreement? Okay, it's like an hour. Yeah, and then you realize when you start getting the letters of the editor that you've left out like tons of important people I Know it's great. I'm getting I'm getting Twitters and all kinds of noise

42:16 asking how you how can it be john that you were so clueless about what happened to the health care bill yesterday and you know i i think if we're clueless if john and i don't understand it how do you think your general populace i sent i sent you the map which you put in the show notes of how a bill goes through congress and you can kind of follow it and you'll see that it's like they flip it look at this map it's not a cons it's not like a single route Wow these things fly all over the place they go from in and out of committees and they go to the floor and the debate and they go to conferences so let me just see where are we in the system right now so we've had well I think I

42:56 I think we're at a house, I think we're at the bottom of this list. We have floor activity, refer to rules committee, debate and votes of both the, I don't know if the Senate's voted. And then it goes to Congress. Yesterday was the Senate vote. What are you talking about? Oh, I thought it was the House vote yesterday. No, yesterday was the Senate vote. Oh, okay. No, wait a minute, I may be wrong. Is Kucinich a Senator or a Governor or a Congressman? I think he's a Congressman. Dennis Kucinich is a representative from Mars. I think he's from Neptune. Hey man, just because he believes in UFOs doesn't mean he's a bad guy, okay? I like him. I do. Stand up Mr. Kucinich. No, no, really, stand up. He voted against it yesterday by the way. I did check his record. So this was... Oh man. Well anyway, so that was Congress. No, no, Nancy Pelosi voted in this and she's definitely a senator. She's a senator.

43:51 She's Speaker of the House! She gets to vote! Oh, so she's a congresswoman, of course. Alright, so then we still have... So we're nowhere yet! So we still have to have a Senate bill. I don't know, maybe the Senate bill passed because they had that, no I think the Senate bill passed, this is the House bill. Now it goes to conference. Now it goes to conference. It's a couple weeks ago. So now it goes to conference which is where you get these guys together and say, ooh, you know, your bill, I don't like that, well we can change that. And then they change the whole damn thing. Okay, wait a minute. So in this graph that I'm looking at says conference, dash, dash, resolving differences in parentheses if necessary, and then vote. So who votes? The House votes then or? No, the conference.

44:36 The conference? I think it's just amongst themselves. I think they... Who's the conference? Just a bunch of guys that we both sides send to this, you know, you guys meet with those guys and resolve it. How many guys? I don't know. Who... This is like the... It doesn't say. It probably changes from... It's like the mob. It's like, hey I'm sending some of my guys. Hey you send some of your guys. They'll figure it out. Just don't carry any weapons. Show up unarmed and unwired or else... Or else you know what's gonna happen. As far as I know it... And then it goes to the president. Yeah, and he just signs it and that's the end of it or vetoes he can veto He's not gonna veto anything

45:14 Hmm, and then it's printed and codified and then it you know goes into law and that's the end of it This is a good little chart, but it shows you that it's like ridiculous. Okay, the chart I don't know. It's in some process. Yes, it's on its way until the president signs something We don't know what it's gonna say because there is resolution the conference is gonna change a lot of it. I Yeah, that's when actually everything changes and it'll probably grow in size. It's like it get you know, someone's adding Viagra and extends to it at every step of the way. But anyways, besides the point they did pass something. Something. Okay, so that was the House vote. Yeah, that makes sense. And I think the Senate's already done. So we're at the point now where they're going to go to the

46:00 the conference to fix the two bills so they work together as one. Is that at the Moscone Center, this conference? It should be. They're going to have a dinner party afterwards. Cocktails at 6. Sit down at 7.30. I'll tell you one thing. If we actually received enough money from our listeners, and all it would take was $5 a year from everyone who listens to the show and John I could both quit. Now of course I love it that many people make up for the people who aren't donating but if we could get to that point, you know, I could actually sit at home for a day and understand the process because I know I didn't learn it in school, no one taught me that in school. In fact, you wouldn't, you wouldn't still wouldn't get it mainly because it's an impossible thing to find. You can see look at this chart, it's got the arrows going every which way.

46:53 So, uh... the IRS is somehow involved now because it's actually a form of tax. It's a huge tax. They can throw you in jail if you don't buy the bill. Pelosi added some little amendment to the House bill that says you're going to go to jail. This is because Pelosi's out here in San Francisco. She's got a whole bunch of whole bunch of people listening to No Agenda, you know, to see what the real pulse of the movement is about. And they're hearing us talk about, hey, you know what you do? All you gotta do is just take no insurance, you know, you pay your $1,500 a year, and then when you get sick they can't refuse you and then you get automatic coverage so it's a lot cheaper. And they're like running back to little big hair there, like, ooh, Nancy, Nancy, Nancy, here's what Adam and John have cooked up, we've got to stop that, we've got to stop

47:53 immediately and then so they throw in this thing we that's he below see well she doesn't even know what a podcast is you'd be amazed so much someone who works for her does anyway all she knows is more Nazis they've got some Nazi symbols I'm sure oh we must stop them we'll make it a tax and if you don't pay for the tax well then you just go to jail so do we have anything else on the health care I have some other, oh I got one. I was trying to get into just, yeah. Wait. One more Law and Order clip. I was telling you that there was these two messages now they had the same show where they have the medical marijuana thing. They have this message which is, what's the name of the clips on this? Healthcare Bill probably? Yeah, yeah. Brenda Sawyer thought otherwise. That you were selling false hope to desperate people at a thousand bucks a day.

48:53 Doing it by co-opting doctors with time shares and tropical vacations that it's a rigged game Don't get self-righteous on me Jack if corporations didn't make profits. Where would politicians like you be? I'm gonna use it stinks. There are too many office holders in the health industry's pockets It's one of the reasons we can't pass a decent health care bill in this country and oh by the way Right. This is let's just be blatant. Yeah, I mean really they should publish show notes with law and order so we can click on a link and we know what they're actually referencing For more information about the topics discussed in NBC's law and order go to NBC.com slash law and order Click on a link in the show notes and learn

49:40 So there was a bet out that you watched V so I won that one. There's another bet that you have already developed the crackpot theory. Hold on a second. You're hedging against me? You're betting against your buddy the crackpot? You're actually putting, you're taking out put options on me? Only on the V but on this one I'm betting on... And why were you so sure I hadn't seen it? Just because I'm too busy doing real work? Because I just had it was it some I have a second sense a third eye So that this one here's the jingle. Here's the jingle. He has a second sense a third eye and he wears speedos to work John C Dvorak if you don't like him, so where's the other shell dropping by the way? No, but you can only drop one. I don't know man. I didn't make the clip. I

50:36 details. So anyway, you have a crackpot theory about the shootings at Fort Hood. It's not a crackpot theory. Wow, you want to get into that? I'm real ready for that one. So first of all... Everyone wants you to hear what you have to say. Oh, okay. Well, beautiful. So the first thing I always do when there's something important happening that will affect 300 million people in the country is I want to go hear what the president has to say about it. and uh... well the president actually didn't talk about the health care bill during his uh... his presidential radio address uh... he talked about what happened at uh... fort hood and uh... would would you like to listen along for a second just to hear a couple of the interesting things that uh... our president had to say about uh... about fort hood and how he says spinning this yeah go hold on a second

51:34 What by the way JC has sent me a little note about the he doesn't think that the health care bill passed the Senate yet and the conference report must be approved by both the House and the Senate which they say I guess they have to do so the New York Times pimped it out as being something somebody won something by 220 to 215 yeah that was the house thing but I don't yeah the Senate hasn't gone for yet okay here's your weekly radio address as radioized on YouTube I got nothing. You got nothing? I'm not hearing anything. Hold on. Oh, you're right. I'm not hearing anything either. What the hell is that? There's a little knob that says volume. Hold on. Maybe it's this one. I think this is it. Let's see if that works. ... readiness processing center... Okay, hold on. ... and began shooting his... You got it now, right? Yeah. Okay. I'd like to speak with you for a few minutes today about the tragedy that took place at Fort Hood.

52:39 this past thursday on a clear texas afternoon i love that set up is beautiful right you ready for it's a clear texas it's a clear afternoon and by the way i i don't want to diminish at all uh the value of life uh it's horrible what happened but clearly there's a lot of weird shit going on with this first there was three gunman cnn was all over three-time and i remember that was one lone gunman even the uh... the the p r major or general whatever his name is was saying well it's you know it's it's really a good it goes against all logical reason that one gunman can uh... cause so much carnage but ok so the president is setting the stage for you in your mind it's a clear texas day in the world

53:23 An Army psychiatrist walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center and began shooting his fellow soldiers. It's an act of violence that would have been heartbreaking had it occurred any place in America. It's a crime that would have horrified us had its victims been Americans of any background. But it's all the more heartbreaking and all the more despicable because of the place where it occurred and the patriots who were its victims. Now, are you with me? You're getting the set up right? Yeah. You're getting prepared. Now, it's happening to the patriots. The SRP is where our men and women in uniform go before getting deployed. It's where they get their teeth checked and their medical records updated and make sure everything is in order before getting shipped out. By the way, I found that to be really weird to say they get their teeth checked. What is this? Like their horses? Like their cattle?

54:14 Yeah, that is an odd thing. It's a weird thing to say. This was prepared. Yeah, but you know, they get a medical or they get a physical, they get their teeth checked. It's like, I don't know, that just felt weird to me. It's like, come on over here, you sheep. It was in this place, our base where our soldiers ought to feel most safe. where those brave americans were preparing to risk their lives in defense of our nation a second time that he's talking about how the their they're not just uh... enlisted or uh... being called up from the the national guard you know these people preparing to defend our nation against these horrible one hundred al-qaeda in afghanistan lost their lives in a crime against our nation okay there it is

55:03 lost their lives in a crime against our nation. Right. So this is what bugs the shit out of me. So you've got to make up your mind. Either you're going to call this a terrorist attack or not. And if you slip in a crime against our nation, does that not imply that it's a terrorist attack? I don't know. Let's listen again. It was in this place, a base where our soldiers ought to feel most safe, where those brave Americans who are preparing to risk their lives in defense of our nation lost their lives in a crime against our nation. Soldiers stationed in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world called and emailed loved ones at Fort Hood, all expressing the same stunned reaction.

55:49 I'm supposed to be the one in harm's way, not you. Yeah, so to me the subtle message here is these terrorists are supposed to be shooting at me, not at you. Am I reading this wrong? Am I just too crackpotty about this? No, not really. Now, you're not too crackpotty. You might be extending a bit, but keep going. Thursday's shooting was one of the most devastating ever committed on an American military base. And yet even as we saw the worst of human nature on full display, we also saw the best of America. We saw soldiers and civilians alike rushing to the aid of fallen comrades, tearing off bullet-riddled clothes to treat the injured. I mean, this is the same guy who writes Law & Order is writing this. Yeah, well that's for sure. I mean, torn off bullet-ridden clothing. I mean, come on. Why would you tear it off?

56:41 I guess to get to the wound. Using blouses as tourniquets, taking down the shooter even as they bore wounds themselves. We saw soldiers bringing to bear on our own soil the skills they had been trained to use abroad. Skills that have been honed through years of determined effort for one purpose and one purpose only. To protect and defend the United States of America. Alright, well I can't listen to it anymore because it's the same thing over and over again. It's all about basically a subtle, the subtle message the way I'm hearing it is it was an attack on the United States. So

57:16 A couple things. First of all, this guy was a psychiatrist. And I thought you might come up with the crackpot theory that this was somehow some horrible publicity stunt gone wrong for the new George Clooney movie, which is Men Who Stare at Goats. which is a true story about these type of psychiatric or as they call psyops well documented by the way. In the movie Clooney is one of an elite team who actually can use their brain to do things like kill goats just by staring at them. So you probably heard of the program MKUltra

58:01 What these psychiatrists oftentimes do when they're at the preparedness readiness center or whatever it's called is You know, they really help reprogram soldiers brains Remember these these boys and girls who are going over to Iraq and Afghanistan and that going for the first time Okay, this is not like, you know, the the early 18 year old recruits, although some of them are still 18 These are these are people going back for the second third fourth fifth tour And you have no idea, and a tour is no longer six months, I think it's a year. And within a couple of months, by the way, this will be the longest war in American history. So the idea is, and they bring in all kinds of psychiatrists and brain programmers to help remove the horrible inputs that these basically, these young children have received.

58:51 So I don't even looking at some of the security camera footage from this major Hassan who was you know the very the day right before this all came down he's in a mini mart he's you know laughing and the cameras catching all this yeah but he's wearing a dish dash well that's the whole point of course he's wearing some this is reminding me of that other situation with the guy that they pulled out of Denver Yeah, who was in the beauty mall buying hydrogen peroxide. Right, you know... It's the formula. No, it's the same formula. Show the guy in his Muslim garb, you know, so we don't have to call him a terrorist, but we do definitely, you know, right now, now that we have to make a decision on sending another 48,000 troops in Afghanistan, we have to really hype up the danger. We have to really let you know that it's really, really dangerous.

59:47 And so this is just psychology being emitted on the American people. And I... Well, there's also, they also found, you know, right away they found his websites with his anti-American postings. Oh, of course. And, you know, we've seen that fake before. And then also, you know, somebody, my son actually brought up the fact that these psychiatrists, if anybody experiments with drugs, and there's some whoppers out there that, psychotropic drugs that you can get that make you nuts. If anybody, this guy's about to deploy, he may have loaded up on some damn thing and then gone nuts. I think, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of... There's no explanation going on. Well, who says that he actually did it?

1:00:37 there were two other people you know all of a sudden oh no they had nothing to do with it you know just oh no we'll just let them go look over here nothing to see here oh look at the guy with the muslim dress on there's also the belief that there was a lot of friendly fire involved because these guys start shooting if one guy because he only has a what is he coming in there with a nine millimeter i don't know how many shells do you think is in that thing he apparently had a semi-automatic he shot forty people and what do you have a machine gun it uh... it i'd read that it was an m sixteen i don't think in m sixteen has that many bullets well you dig it did being a big military clip yet you get a lot in there so it but if you kill eighteen in womb thirty one

1:01:19 You got it that I don't that I mean look I'm not a gun expert I'm sure someone is check it out an m16 maximum clip the way that I know they're illegal civilians look but I read that it was an m16 so you you look that up and otherwise it wouldn't have been an ak-47 because you know that's not a US military weapon and no word to it. No, an M16 would be logical. I know where he'd get it. And a semi-automatic. Apparently he didn't like shooting guns so how did all of a sudden he become a gun expert? Okay, I have here 5.7 millimeter 20 round semi-automatic. That's a that's the civilian version. Okay, so what so what is the so anyway, so he had either I think he had to Reload a new clip which just doesn't make any sense man, even since he doesn't like guns even like yes He completely doesn't like guns and even the the PR Official was saying it's counterintuitive. But hey, you just gotta believe us. Hey, I

1:02:18 so I'm not buying it at all and I think it's unfortunately it was one of these desperate moves to get the American public scared again. There's 40 round clips you can get. Does it say that? Yeah, I'm looking at it. Okay, so he, well that's pretty damn impressive 40 rounds and he kills 18 and wounds 31 so he must have had a couple of shots where he hit two people with one. Or there was just bullets flying every which way from you know the other side too. Yeah. And because the girl who brought him down, it was a woman by the way, which I thought was somewhat symbolic because you know, there's nothing like... She's a cop, right? The woman brought... the woman cop brought him down? A cop? Well, it's how you are a securities person. But anyway, she shot him like she got hit and she put four rounds into him. And of course, if you think about the Muslim kind of symbolism here, a woman killing a Muslim male... Oh yeah, oh, I hadn't even thought about that. There's that angle, which seems a little, you know, a little rigged. And the whole thing is just like screwy.

1:03:17 We're not going to find out anything. They're not going to be... No, no, no. And the guy will never make it. He won't get off the breathing machine. Here's a 90-round to draw. I don't know if you can... Okay, so, but you think that... Listen, John. The guy actually cleaned out his apartment, put everything in storage. He was ready to deploy. And you don't just do all that if you're thinking, fuck it, I'm not deploying. I'm going to go blow everybody away. And by the way, it just makes no sense. It makes no sense, but what does make sense is immediate distraction was needed for some reason because we have the health care bill that's been top of mind, we gotta ram this thing through, we have 48,000 troops who want to deploy for the opium harvest so we can get all the dope back on time, and then all of a sudden this happens at Fort Hood. Coincidence? I think not!

1:04:05 You know, I hate to say it, but I, yes, my crackpot theory would be that there are elements, I'm not necessarily saying the government, there are elements in upper echelons of society who in fact do not give a shit and don't mind if scores of people are wounded and killed just to distract attention. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Yeah, well I'm not going to argue with it. Wow. I mean there's something, because the whole thing just doesn't add up. And it's just too convenient. There's too many, you know, if these things were more, if they were more like, if it wasn't like so well packaged, the guy's a Muslim, they got a picture of him the day before and his dish dash looking like some guy in, you know, Qatar. And then he's got the weblog postings, which you've seen this before. It's almost like, it's almost like a cookie cutter version of something we've heard about before.

1:04:58 And then we got the postings and he hates the, you know, he's been expressed and he's deployed for some reason, you know, even though he's a, he hates the idea and he's bitches and moans a lot, I guess, maybe he doesn't. And then, you know, and then a woman kills him, you know, she saves the day, kills the mad, you know, mad Arab that is shooting up the place like a maniac. And, um, I mean, it's just too, it's just a little too, it's too well groomed, uh, uh... and then now it was he's on a ventilator is about to die in a trying to quote question him as supposedly any could be dead already we don't know and then you're right probably will be dead he'll die or well i don't think he's ever going to be seen standing up again i'd be shocked at that

1:05:39 Yeah, and somewhere I have a link which of course I can't find right now. It was from I think the times online They were already connecting him to September 11th terrorists, so you know basically the call goes out to the to the UK Ministry of truth hey print something up about some connections to al-qaeda will ya and you know that's that's it you know it it's a little too blatant to start that right here like in the york times although i'm saying you know we have like right right now we're running like this is the other question you have to ask we're running a surveillance society obama keeps pushing this through we got the patriot act you can look at anybody and you got this guy in the army at fort hood writing weird stuff on a web blog wander around in a dish dash bitching about the army constantly apparently

1:06:29 And nobody looks into the sky, right? He has links to Al-Qaeda! And now all of a sudden we're finding all this stuff. I mean, where's all this Patriot Act stuff? Where is the research? Where is the... I might want to mention that also going on in some form of that process of the diagram we can't figure out... is the Patriot Act. You know, they're right in the middle of the renewal of that. I mean, that has to be renewed very, very soon. So, you know, that's also going on at the same time. This is another one of those, you know, maybe the the beauty shop bomber wasn't scary enough so now you know, you know what, let's create some havoc and they come in and by the way immediately the first thing that is said in in in the cable news is it's not a terrorist attack which is almost like a disclaimer on the cigarette packaging you know it's like when you say it draws attention to it when you sit when you say to someone do not forget your brain does not register the word not your brain registers the word forget

1:07:33 So when you say it is not a terrorist act, what people's brains actually register is terrorist act. I mean this is documented. You can't use negative, the brain will not take a negative. So basically... By the way, folks out there, when you say do not forget, you never say tell someone not to forget, you say don't remember. Remember, exactly. Remember to get the milk. Hey, it worked! I can have pancakes. I'll put that link in the show notes for some reason I can't find it right now. But they had already figured out that this guy was, you know, his mom was buried someplace where some other guys were. And he's Palestinian too by the way. He's from Jordan but with a Palestinian connection.

1:08:17 So, you know what? I guess it wasn't so much of a crackpot theory because you're not against it. But the real thing to look into is what kind of psychological work is going on to basically, you know, Mickey and I, we met a serviceman on Halloween night around the corner in the bar, this kid named Justin. And he was just a guy, he was like an engineer, he welds, whatever, but he had gotten back, he'd done three tours, two in Iraq, one in Afghanistan. And you talk to this guy and all of a sudden you just see something come over him. It's like a door opened up. And it's the most saddening thing to see.

1:09:00 He was talking about friendly fire and how he'd seen his own buddies being shot by a US Cobra helicopter. And he actually went silent and glass-eyed for a minute, but in a very freakish scary kind of way. I mean, do not underestimate what's happening here. Yeah, this is really really really nasty shit, and it was so coincidental because just the other day We were watching what's the name of that John Cusack movie where he? He spoke in crap. I think you look up the name of that movie It was John Cusack and Hillary Duff it was it was it's a supposed to be a comedy But of course it's really it has an underlying message hold on John Cusack Hillary

1:09:46 Duff. It was a fantastic movie. War, Inc. War Inc. It was on HBO. It's probably still running. You must see this movie it totally shows you what I believe to be an exaggerated version of the reality of What is happening in? These wars run mainly by the way by companies like Blackwater and other consultancies and private security firms and what's really going on and of course at the end of the day it's all about money and drugs and mob-like practices. Great movie. Great freaking movie. Okay, so I'll watch it. But anyway, one more thing about this guy that, and there's one more little anomaly that keeps getting overlooked in the body count. There was a civilian that was shot and killed. Yeah, because there was some kind of graduation ceremony going on, wasn't there? Who was it? I don't know. They haven't released the names of anybody. They've gone out of their way to only release two names for some reason.

1:10:51 And it's civilian and all of a sudden a civilian's dead. You know, this could have been a hit for all you know. Yeah, that could have been too. Well, you know what? We're just not gonna know. Certainly not right now. No, we're never gonna know. We're never gonna find out. But for sure it doesn't add up. I do not like the fact that there were two suspects who were let go almost immediately. That makes no sense. Right. Anyway, okay. So now... So did you win the bet? Yeah. Okay. No, actually there was really no bet. I was just joking because we all knew you were going to come up with a crackpot theory. But it's not so crackpot, is it? Well, I was hoping for something more weird like the guy was a moon man. He came from Venus. He dropped off from a flying saucer. No, I'll throw in the crackpot one, which is not that crackpot-y, but do some research on MK Ultra. Everybody knows about MK Ultra. That was in the 60s. It was so long ago. It's still going on. It says you.

1:11:49 So, I lost my thing here. Oh, here it is. No, I guess not. Do you want to talk about some donations? Yeah, let's talk about some donations. So again, I want to thank everybody for your contributions contributing to the $1,000 donation to Interplast. You know, I do give away a lot of this money, by the way. Websites that I visit that do a lot of research, I'll always hit them up with 50 or 100 bucks. If anyone's got a PayPal, which is kind of like a sub-economy, I like it. And by the way, anybody who has money left over in their PayPal account, you're welcome to send it to us. It's actually a good way to clean out the account. It really does help. And God, I think John may be the only way to get...

1:12:33 The type of money that we need to actually be able to do this full time and you would give up a lot right you give up some of your speaking engagements and other stuff to be able to do do this more full time or I'd probably be able to do more speeches if we get full time. It's a nice shoehorn for more money. Maybe we just have to do that and then people will catch up with us. Maybe so let's go over some people. Okay, $50 and Fellow wants to just mention his website. He's an indie music guy. Check it out. He's got some pretty good tunes if you like what he does www Derek Lauren de r e k l o r i n.com

1:13:14 $50 and then we have a $100 donation from Chasen or Chasen, Chasen I guess, Rozdilsky or Rozdilsky or Rozdilsky, one of the two. But the interesting thing is he's from Canada and he's from the Paris of Canada, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. I've never been there but people keep telling me it's the Paris of Canada. The Paris of Canada no less. Yeah apparently it's got it's like an old it's like Paris was in the 50s I guess a lot of coffee places or I don't know everyone says you gotta go it's college town. Let's go there we should go up there we should go higher. I'd love to go to Saskatoon. Saskatoon! Allison Hamill who calls herself a chick by the way. Yo! Do we have a count of 21 then? I think this is 22 isn't it? Wow.

1:14:01 Could be 20 or 21. Somebody probably stopped listening anyway. And she's in Branson, Mississippi, which is interesting because we have actually two donors from Mississippi. Let me just jump in here with a note from JWontDart. He's our vegan in residence. And he says, I'm seriously, he's already donated. He says, I'm seriously considering becoming a knight if you guys will do one task for me. Are you ready John? So that means a thousand dollars for the cause. Yeah. If we eat vegan for a week. We'll tell him to bring a vegan over and we'll eat him. That would not be vegan. That would be meat eating. Are you game? Are you ready to go vegan for a week? I can do vegan for a week, no problem.

1:14:52 Okay, we'll decide. We'll push that off, but we will do it. No, don't push it off. Let's do it. I'm not gonna do it now. I got meats thawing. Hold on a second. Whoa, that's the opening of the show if I ever heard it. I've got meats thawing. So, Allison Hamill gave us $52.50. And then we, from Canberra, Australia, Ruben Zhang, or Zhang, probably pronounced Shang, Z-H-A-N-G, 53-33. Todd Simmons, Queensland, Australia, almost got in as executive producer at 169-69, and he's in Queensland. Todd Simmons, 169-69, I think he's trying to make a point there.

1:15:38 Rick Hansen in Seattle $50. Oh by the way Pat in SoCal send Rory his book back. Damn it. James Briscoe we mentioned before $233.63 and I'll get to an explanation for that shortly. Wes Little in McGee Mississippi this makes two people from Mississippi that McGee and he gave a $60 and of course Travis Wynn is still on the lease. Do you notice John that there's very little from the big cities in general? Well Rick Hansen's in Seattle, okay, that's a big city, but still you know like you know New York We've ever gotten a donation from New York Angeles. You know I don't think we've ever had just go proper never and by the way. Where's Berkeley in all of this? Listen to this show hello Berkeley. They're Obama bots All right here. We go James Briscoe. I'm just gonna read the note oh

1:16:34 Yet another donation from your sole Long Island listener in GetMo Central. Since my last donation was too quote-unquote complicated for you to follow, here's how I arrived at my latest donation. Then he has a sub-directory, cd slash satitu slash na slash casts and in parents he says contains all the shows up until 1115 for my private no agenda stream to listen to at work. Speaking of which, what's taking you guys so long to set this up? It took me an hour just to download the shows and a trivial amount of time to set up a shoutcast. And here's the calculation. $512SUM equals CAT star dot MP3 slash SHA 512SUM hugs. Dollars equals $512SUM mod 250. Cents equals $512SUM mod 42 plus 24. That is how he got $233.63. You know what? I don't care what it means. I'm just happy and he is the executive producer of No Agenda 146 and I appreciate it.

1:17:36 And you know what, yes it's not hard to set up a shoutcast server and drop some shows into a directory but the whole point is to make it come alive. This is the art that John and I possess. A dying art I might add, seeing as radio has been pulled to shit thanks to clear channel and uh... serious x and all these playlist type stations that's why streaming radio has never really taken off because it's just playlists you need to have the art of programming behind it and that actually takes a lot of work it takes time it takes looking at feedback looking at uh... listener behavior and always having something fresh now we have the added disadvantage of not knowing

1:18:18 if you're in which time zone you're in so it's very very complicated to set this up properly in fact I'd love to have an East Coast feed, a Gitmo East feed, a Gitmo West feed. There's a whole bunch of things that come into place. It's not as simple. The technology is not the problem. It's the actual hours in the day. That you need to put in to make this worth listening to otherwise Yeah, you might as just you know people you go ahead and publish your directory and people can just listen to it from there I mean that stuff is easy. We're talking about is a real entertainment information experience and that ladies and gentlemen is I was channeling you for a moment. Yeah, I could tell yeah Andres Kelka

1:19:04 I just want to mention one of our donators who comes in at a monthly $5 a month level and he's from the Czech Republic and he goes in this whole thing about when you're supposed to use the so not with Ukraine it would be Ukraine not the Ukraine but since he's in the Czech Republic he says you know you spell the prime minister's name VACLAV but you do not pronounce it Vaklov, you pronounce it Vasslav Klaus. Is it Vasslav? It's Vasslav. The C apparently is pronounced as an S. So I appreciate that and I'll tell you what, I have only heard it pronounced as Vaklov in the United States and I hate it when people don't even get the basics of the name right. So thanks for that. Thanks for that correction Andres, which of course I'm murdering that too.

1:20:00 Yeah, no, we botch names. We are actually experts at botching names. But we appreciate your five... But we try to do it right. I take... When somebody sends me an explanation, I try to... You do it. And we appreciate your $5 donation. That's also appreciated. By the way, anybody out there who wants to subscribe to the $5 monthly thing is... You're pleased. You're welcome. That's really all we ask for. And we do it to all the people out there who give $10 or $49.95 or $5 a month and all the rest of it. It all adds up and it's, you know, it's all good. but it's nice to use it on a pretty sure it's not it's not enough i don't know if the whole annoyingly is not a visit to the good but it's not enough

1:20:37 And by the way, I think I'm going to, you know, when it comes to executive producers, because of the situation last show, anyone who gives over $200, in other words, if we have three people, we're going to have the hype man will get the executive producer and the other ones will be associate executive producers. Wish you can again, and it's a fact, by the way, use on your resume. Not only can you use it, but it looks good, you can get jobs with it, and you know we all need some of those. Jobs, jobs. jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. So vote with your PayPal account and get it on your resume and if you want we'll vouch for you all you have to do is send us the letter we'll sign it and send it right back to you.

1:21:19 Yeah, make sure you get the show number right. Actually we'll probably post after I do this organizational thing, whatever GTA or whatever it is. GTD, GTD, getting things done, GTD. GTD, once I run that then I'll be able to put up some pages that actually list the executive producers for the various shows and you don't even have to bother us you can just point somebody to the web page and say look see I'm an executive producer. Actually that's a very good idea John we should do this right now could you please send me our executive producers name and I'll put that in the show notes just Skype it to me right now will you just so I don't forget so I should be doing that we already by the way we also post the chat logs

1:22:04 So, the full logs of what's going on in the chatroom at noagendachat.com is online every week in the show notes. You can go back and see what people are talking about. A lot of good information there. And I will now put at the top of the show this week's executive producer and anyone else over $200 gets an associate executive producer credit in the show notes. You are embedded there and codified for all history to see. James Briscoe is our executive producer for this episode. Yeah, that's actually good idea that way it shows. Yeah, it's good. But still, we don't have to be bothered with these letters. No, I'll do the letters. I don't care about the letters. You're lame, man. You are so lame. By the way, your Skype connection degraded significantly in the past five minutes. Yeah, at least I'm not sounding like a chicken. But it happened a few minutes ago. It's like it's all of a sudden it's just crap. You too.

1:22:59 Oh really? Mm-hmm. Sorry. It's okay. I think this guy craps out at about an hour. Do you have any more people to talk about today? No, actually I don't. I'm... I mean except for this, I don't have the link up anymore of that PDF that shows us leaving Iraq and they have some interesting... Oh no, I was talking about donations. I mean I got... Oh no, that's it, that's our donation list, sorry. Oh, okay. Well, you know, Timothy Geithner is also looking for donations. Little Timmy Geithner, of course, is our Treasury Secretary and he's not liking this limit on a trillion dollars.

1:23:35 So while we weren't looking, while we were looking at live coverage of the Mount Hood, of the Fort Hood PR conference, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner before the Financial Services Committee on Wednesday, so he has, you know, there's a new bailout package being put together. It's 1618 pages in growing or as some are calling it, tarp on steroids. In that so this is another bailout for the financial industry because they're gonna need one because let's face it You know that yacht is just not doing anymore. You know the Goldman guys. They've got their yachts are beautiful so we all need to have some bigger yachts and The previous bailout of course was 787 was 787 billion dollars I believe and

1:24:29 And in this new document, I don't know if it's a bill yet or it's a proposal I guess, there was a cap set on the amount of money that could be made available. And when Geithner was asked if he would accept a $1 trillion limit, which is a thousand billion, so it's a thousand thousand million, He said no, that's no good. I Can't have no cap on that shit. That's no good. So that's also happening while we're kind of not looking while we're Obviously distracted by other things going on which is why you have to listen to your church of no agenda your weekly media assassination and may I just point out that gold briefly touched $1,100 an ounce

1:25:21 We knew that was coming. Yeah, yeah, your prediction is going to go to 2000. It's going to blow through 2000. Way through it. The website is Dvorak.org slash NA or no agenda show. And you can link to the donation page. Is it possible, John, the buttons we have on noagendershow.com and dvorak.org. Can people copy those and put them on their own sites? Or can you publish the code so people can just... I can publish the code. That would do it. Would you do that please? Because I think that would be very handy. A lot of people will talk about that. I got list number 16. GTD, getting things done. Seriously though, just give me the code or whatever. Let's put that in there man. Well okay, but let's look, okay. It's a done deal, not this minute, but it will be done shortly. That's the, it's a done deal getting things done.

1:26:12 it's a good idea reissue it's a done deal and new and new time management system by john c devorak isn't done deal guaranteed to get you know where in life and i think that they get it and we got done deal dot com uh... we should get that that's funny sure somebody does uh... ten years of that and i just thought that was uh... doesn't that is a great article by the way in uh... the hell is it is that uh... i think it's also Yeah, it's the Times Online, which you may want to read. Hold on a second, let me... Hey, turn down your mickey. Yeah, my mickey's making me some coffee. I think you're drinking too much. You know, you used to drink tea, now you're all wired on coffee. Yeah, yeah, I'm totally wired. It's a seven-page web page.

1:27:04 uh... interview with lloyd blank fine he's the chairman and ceo of goldman sachs disguise on a p r rampage i might add and i'm still reading it's a huge book of the partnership which is a a pro goldman sachs book talking about how they you know what their culture is all about and and i have to say jury that you read that is another night and i think i've been do you have been finished it uh... it's it's a big has it's like in rams atlas shrugged all he gets it in again uh... At one point in this interview, he says, hey, I'm just a banker doing God's work, which is almost as good as the ball cancer comment as far as I'm concerned.

1:27:45 but fascinating to read about the about this company and they really believe that they are doing good and they really believe that it's awesome that they have all the you know that ex Goldman Sachs are in the treasury and important advisors and not just in the in the US by the way in the UK as well and they think it's awesome and they think that they're actually doing good and I have to say when you read through it you know it it's Well, compelling is not the right word, but if you read it from their point of view, you can see how kind of misguided they are. It's like, okay, I understand where you're coming from. They just care about money. That's all.

1:28:26 Yeah, they don't care about the country or the people or anybody else. No, it's 100% about money. And if you believe in it, then fine. Yeah, that's their religion. So, people, I'm going to put this on the blog and I think we'll post a link to the Lord Monckton. Oh yes, he's been challenging Al Gore, hasn't he now? Yeah, but he also has a nice, you know, apparently in the appendix one, page 34, something like that, it's on the, in this crazy thing that they're gonna do in Copenhagen. this is what i've been telling you is that they're gonna sign this treaty and if obama signs it then basically the sovereignty of the u.s. is gone and with the the whimsical call of the g twenty or whoever and this is to really no cap and trade will look like peanuts compared to what's coming down with this thing that's coming up december i think eight through sixteen for whatever in the copenhagen uh... treaties which is all u n based crap

1:29:23 is extremely frightening yeah so we're going to take a look at this video and you know decide for yourself this video complaint the very Lord Lord Munchkin spoke on the 14th in St. Paul Minnesota and apparently went over the details of the sovereignty signing instead at Copenhagen this December weeks away A treaty will be signed, your president will sign it, most of the third world countries will sign it because they think they're going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regimes around the world like the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won't sign it. I have read that treaty.

1:30:06 And by the way, John, find me a copy of the treaty. I want to read that. I looked on their website. I couldn't find it at all. There's no link to any treaty. You know why people are looking at it? Well, I want to see it because this is what I love doing. This is what, this is why I take the money. They don't want you to see it. I want to read it. Please, somebody find that and email it to me. What it says is this. that a world government is going to be created. Okay, so he's just been listening to no agenda right there. I mean, that's no news. The word government actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries in satisfaction of what is called coyly a climate

1:30:52 because we've been burning CO2 and they haven't and we've been screwing up the climate. We haven't been screwing up the climate but that's the line. So wait a minute John, this sounds like economic hitman time where they send the money over there but they don't really send it, they send the money and say well you have this money and you can use it but you have to use our western companies and our western financial system to take advantage of the finance, right? That would make sense. Yeah, okay. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government is enforcement. How many of you think that the word election or democracy or vote or ballot occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn't appear. Okay, excellent. I'll put this in the show notes at noagendashow.com. Of course, yeah, I've seen this video.

1:31:38 I have brought this up a couple times on the show, but now of course that it's too late for us to do anything. We have the video. Hey, film at 11. We have a world government. Stay tuned, film at 11. So if anyone can find this document, this Moncton dude. Hey Mickey, you're really loud today, darling. People are now actually complaining. She is a turn down your Mickey You're supposed to be done by 11. You said you would be it's rich No, she is anything like anything but that dude. You're so I like doing that character. I don't care. Okay? please if you have a copy of this send it to me Adam and me vo comm and Well, we could go on for Quite a while I guess but I think John we shouldn't because I think our time is up. I

1:32:34 Yeah, I think our time is up. Yeah, but I want to remind people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA or NoahJenTheShow.com and help us out for the next show that we do which will be highlighting some, I don't know, what do you think is going to be happening? Oh, you're going to see V. I'm going to see V and you know what we didn't do today? We didn't do a single story about swine flu. I'm very proud of us. Which is interesting because I have a story sitting here. I have five stories. It'll be Swine Flu Thursday! It'll be Swine Flu Thursday and we've got some good stuff including government lies. Someone pointed out to me, actually it was Will the hairdresser, he said, I love the swine flu because it actually means when pigs fly. I'm like wow, that's pretty deep. Huh. Yeah.

1:33:22 Isn't that funny? Yeah, it is funny. So the swine flu, when pigs fly. Yeah. There's something very deep in there, my brain is hurting from it. I think I need to make a new list. Yes, I'm on list 14. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell, housing the crackpot command center in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California, I'm Adam Curry. And from sunny Silicon Valley north where it rained a few days ago but now it's sunny again, I'm John C. Dvorak. On Thursday, we'll bring you the swine flu edition of the show, When Pigs Fly, right here on NOAGENDA.