Episode 137 · Thursday, 8 October 2009

Miley Cyrus Meets Hannah Montana

Record gold prices and a massive defense spending bill signal a shift in the American empire as the H1N1 vaccine campaign reaches a fever pitch.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 137

About this episode

Gold prices surged to a record $1,050 per ounce as the U.S. Mint suspended production of certain gold coins, signaling a potential supply crisis or a shift toward government hoarding. Technical trader Paul Sabo predicts a long-term climb toward $8,000, drawing parallels to the 1933 Executive Order 6102 that prohibited private gold ownership. Meanwhile, the U.S. Senate passed a $636 billion defense bill in a 93-7 vote, securing massive funding for Iraq and Afghanistan while explicitly blocking the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer publicly lauded President Barack Obama for maintaining George W. Bush-era policies on warrantless wiretaps and secret renditions. In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency over the H1N1 swine flu, fueling a massive CDC marketing campaign for the Flu Mist nasal spray despite conflicting safety data for toddlers. Farmers in the South report that Monsanto Roundup-resistant pigweed is now choking over a million acres of cotton and soybeans, while the Department of Homeland Security tests Future Attribute Screening Technology to monitor traveler heart rates and blinking. Speaker Nancy Pelosi also signaled that a national Value-Added Tax remains on the table to address mounting federal deficits.

John Schuman takes the lead as executive producer for this session as the search for a 24-7 stream manager narrows down from thirty candidates. Swine flu survivor Eva shares her recovery story using only over-the-counter Sudafed, and the recent sales spike for Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged highlights a growing cultural anxiety regarding the 250-year empire cycle. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the week's media distractions.


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CHAPTER 01 / 24 Discussion

John Schuman Named Executive Producer for Episode 137

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 137 of the No Agenda podcast, titled "Gitmo Nation Media Assassination." They announce John Schuman as the executive producer for the episode, a title granted to him for providing the highest donation. The hosts discuss the new policy of giving pre-roll credits to top donors.

john schuman· adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· executive producer· donation

00:01 I have the swine flu! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's October 8th, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 137. This is no agenda. Jamming the frequencies of the power and lower vibrations so you can ascend to the light with ease. And coming to you from the Minimum Security Containment Cell in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California, In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's actually going to be a foggy day, they say, I'm John C. DuBois. Today's show is executive produced by John Schuman.

00:43 of the Schumann television family of networks. Who the hell is that? He's the guy who gave us the most money. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, that's good. You get pre-credits, pre-roll credits if you donate the most money. I like that. We hadn't even discussed that, John, but I think it's a good idea. I knew you would like it. By the way, because it involves the words, the most money. Yes, the most money. I took your advice yesterday morning, Johnny boy. and? Because of course, you know, we're under threat of eminent domain removal here. Oh yes. And the TJPA, the Transbay Joint Powers Authority, your government at work abusing eminent domain night and day. So they have to adhere to the city ordinance of no construction noise between 7am and 8pm, seven days a week I might point out.

CHAPTER 02 / 24 Discussion

Transbay Joint Powers Authority Eminent Domain and Noise Complaints

A host describes a conflict with the Transbay Joint Powers Authority (TJPA) regarding early morning construction noise in San Francisco. Despite city ordinances prohibiting noise before 7:00 AM, crews began work at 6:45 AM. After a complaint to TJPA representative Mila Gonzalez, the crews reportedly began even earlier the following day at 6:30 AM.

transbay joint powers authority· eminent domain· san francisco· mila gonzalez· noise ordinance· construction

01:37 In San Francisco and so it's 645. You know, I could hear the trucks backing up there loading stuff. So I Did two things I as you were suggested I called the police And they're like, all right, one of my major suggestions your major suggestions and then after 8 a.m Which is when they when their offices opened I call up called up and spoke to Might as well blast her Mila Gonzalez who was very apologetic and she's like, oh, yeah. Well, you know, I said hey look, you know, I'm at I'm right across the street. Here's the issue. There's a city ordinance and seven o'clock is not 645 so Please take note of that. Oh, yeah. No, I'll call right over So this morning they started at 630 instead of 645 Typical so your advice is panning out as just beautifully. Did you go?

02:32 No, I haven't called him yet because you know we're starting the show at eight o'clock. Hello John Oh Great. No, yeah. No, I got you. I got you you cut out. Okay, it sounded like your mic wire cut out for a second No, that's I'm telling you this connection sucks. But anyway the Unless you're a squeaky wheel They're gonna test you. So what happens is you call and say, oh really? I wonder if this guy's really sincere. And so then they put the screws to you. And then now what you're supposed to do is bitch again. And then you start hounding the cops. And then the cops get really steamed up about it. And then the next thing you know, they're giving these guys parking tickets. Yeah. Well, I think I'm going to call up Mila and ask her what part of 7am she didn't understand. And then I'm going to tell her, I'm going to shut you down, bitch!

03:23 You think that'll work? It sounds like you got an echo button. That was good. No, that was just me yelling throughout the entire box that we live in. That was the echo. So I think you should call her and then tell her you decided not to call the police today because you trusted her. Yeah, I trusted you. And run a guilt trip on her. Yeah. But my next call will be to Gavin Newsom. And oh by the way did you hear about the Indian burial ground that's supposed to be there? I still think that's your best, that's the best idea you've had. Do you have a skull somewhere I can borrow that I can just toss into that dirt there? You know I have a bunch of them around the house but I keep displacing them.

CHAPTER 03 / 24 Discussion

Mike Singletary and San Francisco 49ers Coaching Success

The discussion shifts to Mike Singletary, the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Singletary, a former Chicago Bears linebacker, took over the struggling team mid-season and led them to a winning streak. The hosts highlight his intense personality and the initial controversy surrounding his lack of head coaching experience.

mike singletary· san francisco 49ers· nfl· chicago bears· football coaching

04:08 Ladies and gentlemen listening to this program. That is not a joke. I am convinced John C. Dvorak has human skulls lying around the house. You prop them up and you kind of make them into a small pyramid and you use them as a hassack. What's a hassack? What's that? You put your feet up while you're watching TV. I would like to remind everybody that this is the program where we don't pull any punches. No, we have a whole formula that works exactly the opposite from pulling punches. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Especially if you're with the Transbay Joint Powers Authority. Squarely in the jaw. So that clip of course is Mike Singletary, the coach of the San Francisco 49ers who is, who I'm now more amused now that the team has actually gotten off to a really great start because

04:58 This is a little off topic, but for football fans, they'll get a kick out of it. So this guy was like brought, the coach last, the last coach that was so bad, they fired him in the middle of the season last year because he couldn't win a game. So they took this defensive coach, which is Mike Singletary, who's this famous linebacker from the Chicago Bears, who's this very intense person, as you can tell by that quote. and put him in charge temporarily, let him take over and then he won all the games the rest of the year. So they said, well I don't know, what do you think we should do? Should we rehire him as the coach? And it was like, there was a big controversy over this with all these pundits. He's got no experience as a head coach. Even though he was kicking ass. Despite the fact. So anyway, so they did give him the job and now he's proving that, now nobody mentions the fact that this was controversial.

CHAPTER 04 / 24 Discussion

Gold Prices Reach All-Time High of $1,050

Gold prices reached a record high of $1,050, prompting a discussion on long-term investment strategies. One host recounts a meeting with Paul Sabo, a technical trader at Crosslink, who predicts gold could reach $5,000 or $8,000 per ounce. An anecdote is shared regarding a 2001 disagreement with Dennis Neal of CNBC, who at the time claimed gold would never increase in value.

gold· crosslink· paul sabo· technical analysis· investment· forbes· dennis neal

05:49 I would like to point out this is episode 137 of this program that John and I have been producing for you along with our listeners who of course are producers and the one who gives us the most money is the executive producer of the episode. If you had listened to us I'd say about a year and a half ago. Is it that long? Has it been that long, John? Well, figure it out. Yeah, it's been... well we started... it's in the wiki. There's a wiki. We have a wiki. I think we started in like October of 2007 or something. Or August or something like that. I can't remember what the wiki says. Well at that point one of the discussions we had was about gold.

06:29 and without getting, you know, without backtracking all the way to that conversation, if you had been listening along with this program, you might have bought yourself some. And boy, you would have been pretty happy just about now. as gold closed at an all-time high of $10,050 yesterday. Yeah, and it appears to be on an upswing. Well, I was at... Meek and I went over to one of those investor annual meetings for Crosslink. What kind of a meeting was it? Was it a big meeting? Well, they're not a huge company or a huge fund. I think their funds are like $250 or $350 million. So in the realm of funds, these days that's pretty good. But yeah, it's small.

07:18 And then they've only really done two major media internet investments. One was Pandora and the other one is Mevio. So it's kind of cool how they did their audio versus video type heads even though we're a lot of audio but they're more on the music side. And so they have all their limited partners come in and so they had a, of course, appropriately toned down for the financial crisis we're in. They had a reception at their offices and they're one of the few VC funds that have offices in San Francisco and not on the typical sand hill road out in the valley.

07:54 And it was nice. You had a kind of like a thing you walked around their whole office and each room had a different type of food. It was okay. There's only like 37 people who work at the entire company. But they're unique in the fact that they also have as a part of their fund they trade in the public market so they buy and sell stocks. And this guy Paul Sabo, he's their main trader and so he's the guy that has a desk there with 18 screens all stacked on top of each other. Horowitz has got one of these rigs. My God, but he's so passionate about it because he's a technical trader. He's nothing fundamental, it's all in technical analysis. He's so passionate about this stuff and he showed me the chart for gold and all of his analysis. He says, well, I'm thinking 5,000 possible but it could easily be 8,000.

08:51 Wow, what are you talking about? And he's been trading gold since we went off the gold standard in, what was that, 74, 75? No, we went off the gold standard in the 30s. Right, true. That's true, but the official going off the gold standard as the as the wiki would probably say was 74. I don't know that's dubious, but whatever the case. So he's been trading this stuff forever? Yeah, oh yeah and it was... 8,000? What is he? 8,000? He said there is no... the sky is the limit he said.

09:26 That's funny because in around 2001 or just around there when I was writing for Forbes, Dennis Neal who is now with CNBC was out here to do a Silicon Spin. And I had him write on a sheet and I still have the sheet around somewhere in 2001. I said, I don't know because the economy was falling apart. I said, I think gold is probably a pretty good investment. I think gold is at like 330. And he says you're that old never go up are you crazy? And so I had him sign a document that said said gold will never go up Oh, you have that do you have that document somewhere right you have it as in one of my boxes I'll have to dig it up. Yeah, it was should believe as soon as I find it it goes online So I was thinking about our

CHAPTER 05 / 24 Discussion

No Agenda 24-7 Media Stream and Expert Reluctance

Plans are discussed to expand the No Agenda brand into a 24-7 media stream. The hosts express interest in featuring technical trader Paul Sabo for weekly market insights. They note that many financial experts are reluctant to share specific knowledge publicly due to fears of litigation or regulatory scrutiny.

media stream· paul sabo· technical trading· stock tips· financial advice

10:15 about our no agenda stream and how you and I are working on turning this into a real 24-7 media stream that you'll actually want to listen to and I talked to Paul about it and I think that he would want he would be happy to do you know like a conversation with me once a week. The guy is so passionate and he's and you know wouldn't it be cool to just hear someone say gold 8000 I mean come on that'd be a great show. But he has a lot of insights and he doesn't care. He's happy to tell you exactly what he thinks and a lot of these guys won't do that. No, most guys won't do it. That's the problem. People should realize that. There are so many people out there that have a lot of good knowledge and they don't really object technically to sharing it because it actually helps them. If you're a stock tip guy and you give tips out and then the stock goes, you're in the stock and it goes up, you make money.

11:03 But some people are reluctant, they're worried that they're going to get sued or they're worried that they're going to do this or that. I don't know what it is. There's a lot of guys that just won't talk. Yeah, and I told him about our bi-weekly media assassination, no agenda, and he's like, oh, I love that. I hate the media. They're such bastards. And I'm like, oh, this is a guy for us. From time to time I'll remind you that you still have a book to publish about your, and actually I did talk to Paul about it, about your 80 year cycle. Oh, is that this thing on is this thing on hello? Can you hear me? Are you with some about a cycle book? I think the Skype connections. Oh, it just broke I wanted to ask you because I've got some numbers here and I don't know if they're correct But they may sound correct to you because you are the cycle man. I'm a cycle man cycle, dude Do you happen to know what the typical cycle of an empire is John? Oh

CHAPTER 06 / 24 Discussion

Historical Empire Cycles and General Stanley McChrystal

The conversation explores the historical 250-year cycle of empires, referencing historian Arnold Toynbee. The hosts suggest the United States is nearing the end of its natural cycle, exacerbated by foreign wars. General Stanley McChrystal's leadership in Afghanistan is criticized, specifically his intense personal habits profiled on 60 Minutes.

arnold toynbee· empire cycles· stanley mcchrystal· afghanistan· thomas jefferson· 60 minutes

11:59 Toynbee discusses, or Toynbee, I don't know if Toynbee, the famous historian, discusses empire cycles in his study of history. And the fact is, I mean, there probably is a cycle that's been observed. I don't know personally what it is, but Toynbee actually has the cycle deconstructed but because of certain elements of the cycle some empires can last longer by having certain characteristics. So I don't know that it's a solid cycle. Well, I have a list of cycles here that I found in one of my cycle circles. And so currently the empire... Is it a cycle circle of psychos? Yeah, absolutely. I'm in it.

12:46 uh... the currently the empire of the united states is uh... well in in two thousand and we'll celebrate our two hundred and thirty fourth birthday uh... here's some other interesting numbers the assyria empire which apparently was six fifty nine to six twelve bc that's a two hundred and forty seven year cycle persia five thirty eight to three thirty bc two hundred eight years greece three hundred thirty one to one hundred bc two hundred thirty one years What is this? The. T, I guess it would be. T-H-E? That's called The. The. The. The. Which was a great band in the 80s. The. The. 206 to 27 BC. That's 230 years. 233 years. The Arab Empire. 634 to 880 AD. 246 years. I'll just skip ahead to Spain.

13:41 1500 to 1750 AD, that's a 250 year reign. Romanov, 1682 to 1916. I think we get the point. So aren't we like just at the end of our natural cycle and isn't it just time for this entire thing? I mean it's starting right up front. We gotta fold dude, it's time. You got to know when to fold them. Well, you know, one of the things that does happen during these empire cycles is this idiotic, you know, there's been more than a few of these empires as it were that have gone broke because they got involved in these wars. I mean, we probably could go on forever if we'd paid attention to Jefferson who told us not to get our asses involved in these foreign endeavors.

14:21 where we just all of a sudden decided to go to war with some country out in the middle of nowhere and now of course we have Afghanistan which is just so turning into Vietnam it's hilarious and we got this out of control general this McChrystal guy who thinks he runs the place and he's pissed off taking orders he's a pissed off dude He's a psycho. I mean the guy, they had him profile on 60 Minutes. The guy gets up at 4 in the morning and he jogs 5 miles through the streets and then he does this and he does that and he only eats one meal a day because otherwise it makes him low-key. Low-key! I'm feeling low-key! I can't get me in them towel heads if I'm feeling low-key, boy. So, I mean, the guy seems, you know, he sounds normal but when he describes his like way he lives, he's like nuts. I'm glad you bring up the

CHAPTER 07 / 24 Discussion

Senate Passes $636 Billion Defense Bill

The U.S. Senate passed a $636 billion defense bill with a 93-7 vote. The legislation includes $128.2 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and ends production of the Lockheed Martin F-22 fighter. Notably, the bill prohibits the transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees to the United States, contradicting previous administration promises.

defense bill· lockheed martin· f-22· guantanamo bay· barack obama· iraq· afghanistan

15:10 the wars john because did you know about the six hundred and thirty six billion dollar defense bill the senate passed just two days ago now we got by me it's by me let me just read you a couple of highlights of this bill uh... so this was on tuesday six hundred and thirty six billion dollars which i didn't hear anything about this anywhere on any news report this is a good nobody's gonna now do we just lose you No, you shouldn't have but you're going to probably. You were saying that's because what? That's because nobody's against defense spending. Yeah, but I mean we could at least report on it. Okay, forget about that. Reuters. Here we go. Some key... It passed 93 to 7 by the way.

16:01 100... Who is the seven? Why don't you look that up while I read the main points. 128.2 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hey, it's funny. Is it split right down the middle? I thought we were out of there. Then it would end the production of Lockheed Martin's F-22 fighter plane. Okay, that's good, I guess. Not necessarily, but it's overpriced. Right. Here's the interesting thing. This bill specifically prohibits the Obama administration from transferring international terrorism suspects currently held at the Guantanamo Bay Military Prison into the United States. I thought we were going to shut that thing down, Mr. President! Okay, I got a clip you have to play now. Unless you have a few more things to read from the line items. I just want to say that we've been hoodwinked!

CHAPTER 08 / 24 Discussion

Ari Fleischer Praises Obama for Continuing Bush Policies

Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer praised President Barack Obama for maintaining several George W. Bush-era counter-terrorism policies. Fleischer cited the continuation of secret renditions and warrantless wiretaps as positive steps. The hosts argue that the internet is helping citizens realize that campaign promises regarding civil liberties are being ignored.

ari fleischer· barack obama· george w. bush· secret renditions· warrantless wiretaps· counter-terrorism

16:56 You think? So here, I want you to play the Ari Fleischer clip. Now Ari Fleischer of course was Bush's old press secretary. Isn't he the agent from Entourage? Kinda. He's kind of a stooge. Now this was a back and forth conversation with a bunch of people discussing what Obama's going to do about Afghanistan, this and that, and the other thing. And Fleischer, now I don't know whether he was totally tongue in cheek when he made this commentary that you're going to hear, or whether he was sincere and I believe he's probably sincere but at the same time it sounds so ludicrous like is there any way that the Republicans can give it can needle Obama to an extreme or actually or maybe needle the people that voted for him? Just listen to this clip where Fleischer is complimenting Obama.

17:44 Well, I think what we're seeing in President Obama's approach to this is encouraging. When it comes to counter-terrorism, Barack Obama has actually been pretty good and pretty strong because he's left in place many of the George Bush policies. Principally, he has left in place secret renditions, warrantless wiretaps. The things that George Bush was most criticized for, Barack Obama, to his credit, has continued and is one of the reasons we're still doing well in the war on terrorism. Exactly to his credit. It was credit. Good job rock rock and roll. Hey, come on by the ranch You know what's funny is that by the way this was I think this is I know this is on Fox or one of the I don't remember offhand where this came from but but they keep playing these damn sound effects right during the guys because they'll they'll have him talking and then they'll put a little graphic up and instead of just sliding over some chyron like some information underneath they have to put some sort of oh yeah a sound effect NFL sound effects it sounds like Monday Night Football I know I know

18:45 It's nasty. Well, but this is the thing that, you know, the underestimation of the internet and how we've connected our our neurons to each other. Yeah, it's still kind of through keyboards and fingertips and all that, but the people are catching on. This is why everything has to be ramrodded through, why everything has to be passed really quickly because we're catching on. Eventually someone's gonna say, hey, wait a minute, the first thing, all this bravado, all this bravure, and of course we have tons of YouTube clips to remind everyone that the first thing president obama did when he was in office was to say i'm gonna close get no and he's not he's just not gonna close it they've already said well you know we can't close john stewart was all over gays and and you know the gays the military don't ask don't tell which now all of the

CHAPTER 09 / 24 Discussion

US Mint Suspends Gold Coin Production

The U.S. Mint has reportedly stopped minting certain gold coins due to high demand or lack of supply. This is compared to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Executive Order 6102 in 1933, which prohibited the hoarding of gold bullion. The hosts speculate on the possibility of future government gold seizures.

us mint· gold coins· executive order 6102· franklin d. roosevelt· gold hoarding

19:39 all of the secretaries of all the different defense forces have said, well, you know, we don't, the president's too busy right now. He's way too busy to be doing that. He's too busy with traveling around the world giving speeches? He's watching the MTV Awards! He's, we've been talking about it. Yeah, he's right, exactly. He's watching Kanye, what's his name? And let me tell you, man, you don't want to piss off gay people, okay? This is just not a good idea. Because they actually don't give a fuck and they will go and protest in your front yard. They really will and it's gonna get attention. Yeah, there was some gay guy on the O'Reilly factor the other day and who who was just irked. You can just tell you guys aren't gonna put up with this much longer. He's just irked just a little bit. Oh before I forget on the gold tip

20:30 I've shown you my gold coin, right? The one ounce coin I have. Yeah, you carry that in case you end up... You carry around a gold coin and some other weird coin, I might add. That's my military coin. Some military coin that will get you into a military bar, I guess. No, that's when they throw me into the FEMA camp. I show the coin, they'll let me out. Okay, well you got these two weird coins you carry around with you all the time of like the PBA thing you drive you know you right now this gold coin if by the time that you think that things fall apart you'll have a Gold coin in your pocket you can pull out and it'll be worth millions of dollars. You'll be asking I will buy some bread for everyone Anyway, the the US mint is a stop minting them They're like ho ho we got to stop making those because of course they don't have any gold anymore

21:21 uh... and this is kind of a precursor to what happened that what roosevelt did when he uh... prohibited the hoarding of uh... gold coin and gold bullion and gold certificates within the united states under presidential executive order 6102 if I recall correctly. But that was back in 1933, so that could happen all over again where you'll have to give up your gold. Give us your gold! Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! Where's that from? That's from a Monty Python. I don't remember that one. Yeah, he says guys goes around with you know, so during the plague is to bring out your dead bring out your days holding around a big cart full of dead guys and then one guy comes out he brings out a guy was still alive. He says he's dead. No, he's alive. He's dead. No, I'm not alive. I'm alive. And so then the guy clubs him over the head and then they throw my head. So anyway, so this ramrodding of all the bills is of course what happened with the stimulus the stimulus package.

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Baucus Health Care Bill and Shell Bill Tactics

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a report on the Baucus health care bill, estimating it will cost $829 billion over ten years while reducing the deficit. The hosts discuss a religious exemption for Christian Scientists and the legislative tactic of "shell bills," where health care language is inserted into unrelated bills like H.R. 1586.

baucus bill· congressional budget office· health care reform· christian science· shell bill· tarp

22:21 uh... and now it looks like an a trying to exactly the same with the health care bill uh... news came out uh... yesterday day before yesterday the congressional budget office who initially on the initial bill said hey this thing is going to cost us true two trillion dollars well if they've punch someone in the mouth over there and uh... so now the bachus bill would apparently costs over 10 years 829 billion dollars but the CBO the Congressional Budget Office has said they will actually reduce federal deficits by 81 billion dollars over that 10-year period and probably quote lead to continued reductions in federal budget deficits in the years beyond so this thing is ready to go for to a vote and they're gonna ramrod it through maybe as early as tomorrow

23:13 that they'll vote on this and of course another promise broken that these things would go online for at least 72 hours so we could like look at them and talk to our representatives about them and there are even democrats trying to stop the future posting of bills online in you know in the future in general because well this is what you have your representatives for you know you don't have to read the bill you stupid sheeple shut up Yeah, I know that's kind of pathetic somebody dug through that bill because a guy gets had a copy of and they found there's an interesting You know, there's a there's a thing if you don't to have insurance and you don't do this, you don't do you have to pay like a tax? Yeah, it's $1,700. Yeah, it's like basically a tax the IRS will will fine you for if you don't pay it. So it's a tax of course Obama says no, it's not a tax

24:05 It's a tax. So anyway, so it turns out there's a little proviso in there that the people who happen to be Christian science monitors, not monitors, but Christian scientists, that religion that doesn't believe in, you know... They're exempt? That doesn't want to have medical anything. Yes! So if you join the church of Christian scientists, hey, I don't have to pay that fine. So I think there's an out here for everybody. John, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord, my brother John. Since we've both recently converted to Christian scientists at scientivism What is that? You know if it saves you 1700 bucks? I don't know any that's what I call a religion in I was reading here others and I'll put this link in the show notes at no agenda show comm so if they can't rent if they can't get it to a vote on Friday they have a plan which is To bake it into a shell bill. Have you ever heard of this process? No, so what they do is so there's a

25:04 I would rather use the word incorporate than bake because there's no actual cooking process involved. Right, okay. So they put it into another bill, they back it into that somehow and then this will actually be H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients which of course is something everybody wants to pass. Yes, well that they were either gonna put it in that bill or a bill that protects puppies But I mean how can you like just like hide a thousand pages that gets shoved into some other bill? Oh, by the way, your packet is a little bit thicker this morning It's just a little bit thicker don't worry about it just press yes

25:56 and then they can apparently pass it. I mean, is that a common practice to do that kind of stuff? I think it probably is. Not with bills that size, but I think it's been done a lot. That's lame. Well, I don't know what the big deal is. Look, the Democrats, we point this out over and over again, the Democrats own the place. Yeah. They want to put a bill together, they just go pass it. What's the big deal? It's kind of even hard to to verbalize the conversation we had on email with one of our producers who was actually pointing out to some and in writing you even said in writing it kind of is easier to explain how really the democratic party is actually inherently racist and that

CHAPTER 11 / 24 Discussion

Democratic Party Internal Dynamics and Racism Claims

The hosts address a listener's claim that the Democratic Party contains internal elements working against President Obama's success. They explore the concept of "soft bigotry" in social programs. Additionally, they respond to a producer from the UK who criticized the show's recent lack of international coverage.

democratic party· racism· political strategy· lee donaghy· international coverage

26:43 that there are certain elements, probably the racist elements within the Democratic Party who are bringing the president down. And that's why they're not able to pass anything because they're just troublemakers because they don't actually want the black man to succeed. Yeah, I think there's some truth to that and and I can try and paraphrase it although it'll never come never come out right and of course I'll sound incredibly racist but the the thinking behind it is that The real racism is when you say, you know what? We've got to take care of these poor black people. We really have to take care of them We've got to do something for them that of course is really true racism when you when you put it into context and then they start helping the quote poor black people and

27:24 Then oh wait a minute, but one of those guys is now in charge. Well. That's no good It's kind of the not in my backyard syndrome, so just something to ponder Yes during your day by the way we got one of our contributors producers made this comment as Lee Donaghy and Yarmouth Norfolk UK uh... he says that since you're over in san francisco most of the time now that he believes that our international coverage is starting to suck no that's the end and i received this note earlier and that's inherently untrue because we do a lot of stuff we were talking just about about the lisbon treaty just on the last show we've been all over the yes vote which is not covered at all in the united states which of course is the biggest travesty because as this

CHAPTER 12 / 24 Discussion

Lisbon Treaty and the Rise of the European Union

The potential ratification of the Lisbon Treaty is discussed as the foundation for a new European empire, with Tony Blair as a possible president. The hosts debate whether the next global power will be the EU or China. They also reference the Trilateral Commission's alleged plan for a unified world government.

lisbon treaty· european union· tony blair· china· trilateral commission· one world government

28:17 empire known as the united states comes to its natural two hundred and forty year end of cycle the next empire is has is is literally being built constructed before our very eyes it is the european union tony blair will be the president of this new empire it's already been set up here he became a christian uh... after he was uh... booted out of uh... Out of office in the UK he became a Christian and then you know kissed the feet of the Pope specifically to have all of this I'll have all the right credentials and all that has to happen now is we need two signatures one from the Polish dude and one from the Czech dude and it's done and the new Empire has been created and will be nothing will be a joke the new Empire is China. I don't know man

29:07 These guys, these Europeans are crazy. There's a good blog post, you should check it out on devoreit.org. You'll see it's got a picture of the EU flag with a skull on it. This attempt to turn them into some sort of... By the way, I'm sorry, he became a Catholic, not a Christian. Well, it's kind of the same thing. No, it's important. It's important. So anyway, the point is, is that this is just festering a civil war. As far as I can tell. A civil war what? Within Europe? Yeah, I mean you can't... I mean when the United States, when we put all these states together, you know, it took less than a hundred years before they... That pissed off. They started getting mad at each other because, oh wait a minute, you can lord it over me. I was here before you were. Who died and made you king? Right. And we had this like kind of battle going on and of course slavery was part of it but it was really, you know, the South still calls it the war between the states

30:09 and the North Cause of the Civil War, and it was both. And the fact of the matter is, it was just like everybody getting mad at each other. So they took two sides, you know, they divvied up, you know, I'll be on your side, you'll be on... and they had a big fight and they killed like more, I think we killed 4 million Americans, we got more percentage killed... we killed each other more than we did in foreign wars. Yeah, but Abraham Lincoln ended slavery, John. Well, there was a good move on his part because it actually screwed over the South who was trying to get help from the French and the British. And as soon as that happened, that was once the Emancipation Proclamation went into play, these foreign nations weren't going to get involved. But anyway, the point is that this kind of thing

30:49 With just states that were pretty much, you know, they were they were kind of a little different Yeah, obviously that people that were in South Carolina weren't the same as the people that were in New York But you're talking about huge cultural differences in Europe. Yeah that and and long-standing hatreds My grain dad was killed by the Nazis. Give me my bike back. Yeah, give me my bike back Dutch and so That hatred is gone by the way. The young Dutch do not even know what happened in the Second World War. Well they need to be reminded. Yeah, they will be, don't worry. They will be. And so the point is that, you know, you have the

31:29 the exhibits. But anyway, at some point something about cheese or some screw job or somebody's going to do something that's going to really irk one of these countries and it's going to... Cheese. Well listen, John, you know the theory and we've discussed this before. You have the United States which will soon enough be the North American Union with Mexico and Canada. Then you have the European Union. Then you have the Asian Union which is where China comes in and then that'll all be rolled up this is the whole trilateral commission idea man and then they'll all be rolled up into one world government up at the top at least that is the long-term plan which they always plan on that but then people it takes a long time it takes hundreds of years to take thousands there'll be another we're gonna have another war yeah you think I'm sure there will be another one somewhere

32:22 but you know 2012 is quickly approaching and that's uh... that's when it all ends well anyway so this guy says we're not covering this stuff that much well i disagree i think we are covering it and uh... it's also up to the producers you know the producers put together seventy percent of the show by sending us interesting leads the whole day and by the way you know i'm a little bit early for this part of the show but all day long john and i are emailing back and forth amongst each other with Our producers which is our audience and you know we're debunking things on the spot like you know this is Or John is like this is oh brother. This is bullshit You know we actually read all the stuff you guys send us and we determine what we're gonna do on the show So if you want more European stuff in there send it in we're desperate for good stuff We're not that desperate, but we are always looking

CHAPTER 13 / 24 Discussion

Value-Added Tax Proposals and California Bankruptcy

Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested on the Charlie Rose show that a Value-Added Tax (VAT) might be considered for the United States. The hosts complain about the high tax burden in California, which they estimate at 65% to 70% when combining income, sales, and fuel taxes. They criticize San Francisco's spending on a new bus terminal.

value-added tax· nancy pelosi· charlie rose· california taxes· sales tax· san francisco

33:14 So speaking of Europe and the United States, of course in most countries in Europe they have what is known as a VAT, a value-added tax, which in some countries is... Hold on. Turn down your speakers! Just a little loud, John. In some countries is... I can barely hear you. Yeah, well then get some headphones! in some countries is 19 percent in some installed at one in Belgium I believe it's 22 percent which is going to be like a quarter of the amount which is yes is really the way with any Americans are in Europe that are shopping around and having to pay these ridiculous paperwork out and get it back idea you can you can I could I was even able to get the AT back on on

34:04 aircraft fuel if I was gonna if I made it over over the channel flight anyway Nancy Pelosi on Monday was on the Charlie Rose show and She thinks that a value-added tax might not be a bad idea for the United States. Yeah, I've heard this They just want to tax us every way they can. It's a tax! That's a tax! This is exactly what's happening. It's like, oh we got 700 billion for the military over here, we got 800 billion for the health care. We're not going to tax you except for the value-added tax. You know, in California right now we pay, the sales tax is 10%. It's really annoying. This is very high. Yeah, it is. So every time you buy like something that costs 10 bucks, you have to pay 11 for it. But that's on top of the fact that we have a federal income tax of typically about 30%.

34:58 and the state income tax is a flat 10% for just an income tax. So besides the 10% sales tax, you have a 10% income tax. And then there's all these taxes on your gasoline and everything. If you go to the airport, you buy a ticket, they have them on sale of Southwest Air $49.95. Airport tax. There's $70 for these $49.95, because there's five bucks here, five bucks there. If you take a look at your cell phone bill, there's all kinds of taxes. We're paying about 65% to 70% taxes period in the state of California. Time to move. This place is bankrupt.

35:38 Yeah, it's bankrupt and all this tax that they're collecting, I don't see what they're doing with it. The roads have potholes, they have these scam things like this phony bridge addition that they're doing, which like they could have done a million, they could have built a second bridge cheaper. I mean from the East Bay to San Francisco, the whole thing is just, and then the thing that you're going through where they're going to tear down a whole perfectly good part of San Francisco to put up a bus terminal. The other bus terminal, you can go in there, I'll go in there with you with a movie camera. Nobody goes to the bus terminal. There's only a few commuters. They come in for a few hours and they go. There's no reason for this fancy bus terminal. And then they're going to drive their trains over to that thing? So instead of being convenient where it is, now they're going to run the underground tracks? How are they going to get the trains over to there? I don't get it. John C. DuBois acts Pet Peeve of the day. I'd like you to bitch more about California on the show. That's really nice. That's good. I dig it. I really do.

CHAPTER 14 / 24 Discussion

DHS FAST Program and Anal Cavity Explosives

The Department of Homeland Security is developing the Future Attribute Screening Technology (FAST) to monitor physiological signs like heart rate and blinking in travelers. Simultaneously, the French Secret Service (DGSE) has issued warnings about suicide bombers hiding explosives in anal cavities, leading to concerns about invasive TSA screenings.

department of homeland security· fast program· tsa· suicide bombers· french secret service· dgse

36:33 no it's ridiculous it really is a ridiculous our president was a where was he he was speaking in Virginia and he said that I wish had a sound bite of this I don't only have a news report he said that we are going to follow al-qaeda wherever they take root so I'd say Europe look out you'll have American troops on your streets before you know it So we're not just gonna stay in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq. So we're gonna invade Hamburg. Yeah. That's where there's tons of Al-Qaeda. Tired of this shit. Luckily I believe in the ascension theory. I don't have to worry about it. We're all going to ascend to the light, John. It's gonna be okay.

37:33 Because you know, one single candle can illuminate darkness and no amount of darkness can snuff out the light of a single candle. You're a dick. The candle can burn out. Yeah it can, but if we got a whole bunch of candles we'll be good. Department of Homeland Security program that tries to detect air travelers who are quote up to no good. He's raising privacy concerns. Yeah, no shit. Up to no good. That person's up to no good. Jean Masserve described, she's from CNN, described the Department of Homeland Security's Future Attribute Screening Technology. I love these acronyms they come up with. Future Attribute Screening Technology, the FAST, as marrying a lot of existing technology, some of it medical, to measure breathing, heart rate, blinking, fidgeting, and other bodily functions.

38:30 Don't fart when you're in line at the TSA, okay? You'll get singled out. And of course you won't be able to fart because you'll have that explosive up your ass. I swear to God we're gonna have anal examinations pretty soon. You know about that guy who had like some explosive jammed up his butt? Yeah, yeah that was a kind of, it caught a few, some attention. Yeah, so this is actually a report from France. uh... the for what is the french uh... a secret service where they called the french secret service now come on they've got a name you've got to have some cool like numbers and and letters in there like the british have and my six we have cia anyway the french secret service is warning for a new method that radical suicide bombers can use to attack is the dg s e dg s e as they will be uh...

39:28 carrying explosives in their anal cavity so uh... that's gotta hurt i will bet you know about your act hold on i gotta mark that one i guarantee you it is now a guarantee that within five years you will have a guy shoving his finger up your ass when you want to fly to detroit This is, this is, this is just, I'm so glad we're all ascending to the light, John. I'm so glad. A quick report from some of our producers, a couple of reports too actually. One, because we're not always right, we don't know shit. The first one is about, we were talking about voting machines and about Germany.

CHAPTER 15 / 24 Discussion

German Voting Machines and Dubai Underground Culture

The hosts correct previous statements about German voting, noting that the country banned voting machines following hacks by the Chaos Computer Club. They also revisit a debate regarding Janeane Garofalo's comments on Dubai, clarifying that while Dubai has a repressed public culture, it maintains a significant illegal underground scene.

germany· voting machines· chaos computer club· dubai· janeane garofalo· sexualized culture

40:22 specifically and a number of people this is from Christian but a number of number of people wrote and said you asked the last no agenda show if there are voting machines used in Germany let me give you some quick facts about it voting machines were banned in Germany as the chaos computer club showed hacks of the computers in public so they're using paper these days good on the Germans for for not using the bogus Cybold-based voting machines. D-bold. D-bold, I'm sorry. Oops, that could get me a lawsuit. And then on the last week's show we played this clip. I don't think it's about the sex or the eroticism, it's about foreign policy decisions. It may be some inner turmoil about the sexuality but there's far more sexualized cultures around the world. They could go to Dubai for Christ's sake, Brazil. So we both jumped on Janine Garofalo and the way she phrases it is indeed, you know, it's bullshit because it's not a sexualized culture per se.

41:21 But I got a lot of notes, one from our producer Kendall, but also Mickey. She said, dude, are you out of your mind? Dubai, it's the underground scene there is off the hook. The underground scene, which I guess would Garofalo would be in, is hardly the same as a sexualized culture. I agree. So I'm agreeing on that. But just so there's no confusion that that the undergrounds and i did not know this i could i've been to dubai i've stayed there and of course i'm from that and i'm clearly i didn't get an invite uh... but did you know it appears is like hookers blow alcohol you name it anything you want to do your city yet but but

42:01 in dubai they throw tourists in jail because you're kissing on the beach yes i'd which means is not a sexualized culture that happens to be a sick undercurrent i mean there is not a country in the world it doesn't have that we have to assume so i mean go to hong kong is back alley action going on there too so to speak i mean there's like you know the same thing in vietnam i mean they have legal kinds of rules against all these things are reliably and for a lot you're reliably informed The point of the matter is, is that it's not a sexualized culture. It's like a very repressed culture that happens to have an illegal underground of sexuality or perversion or who knows what. I was never invited to a Dubai scene and I wouldn't go.

CHAPTER 16 / 24 Discussion

Monsanto Roundup-Resistant Pigweed in US Farmland

Farmers in the Southern United States are struggling with "pigweed" that has become immune to Monsanto's Roundup herbicide. The weed is reportedly choking over a million acres of cotton and soybeans. The hosts mock mainstream media coverage of the "super weed" and discuss it as a classic example of natural selection.

monsanto· roundup· pigweed· charles gibson· evolution· cotton farming

42:45 John if I was right if I was invited I think that's completely nuts if I was invited I would definitely go and I would report back I would take one for the team Yeah, you might you might end up taking one for the team It's time once again to look at everyone's favorite company whose stock by the way is doing extremely good They made an extra extremely well. Well, they made an extra penny per share above what was expected on the street the stock now above 70. Report here that this is pretty interesting actually. The Australia, I think it's in Australia, there's this pigweed as they call it which Roundup can no longer kill. Yeah, I love this pigweed story.

43:39 and uh... like the name of it to pay agreed i've got paid we'd yes so this stuff is just become completely immune to to roundup And farmers are now freaking out, but Monsanto is saying it's the farmers fault. Now they're blaming the farmers. I mean, what is going on? Blame the farmer. There's a little clip here we can play. Maybe there's something interesting to listen to. Hey, Huckamins. What's the path to becoming a rock star entrepreneur? I hate these pre-rolls. That sucks. Megan Duckett. Go away. Alright, hold on. Here's the report. This is from- We feature a battle that is underway down south. This is hard- Oh, this is here, not in Australia. ... valuable crops, cotton among them. And this year, farmers have a real battle on their hands. A real battle on their hands! A real battle! I'm Charles Gibson! I used to be on an entertainment show! Now I'm the news expert! Real battle! And some menacing weed. Weed! Weed! Seems to have a mind of its own.

44:44 It's fighting your bullshit! Who wrote this? Did Monsanto give him the script? I'm sorry, I like this whole thing about weed. It's super weed. Hey man, let me smoke some of that! It's called the pigweed. It's native to North America and for decades farmers have been able to control it by spraying their fields with herbicides. This past summer, Pace Hinesley and other farmers started noticing the chemicals were no longer working. There's no rhyme or reason how we can control it. The weeds have adapted, and this year they're choking more than a million acres of cotton and soybeans. I think it's all set up. I think Monsanto has set this up so they can then sell us some of their modified corn.

45:35 There's some element possibly of that, but I think it's essential or essentially just another evolutionary... It's funny because I think a lot of these farmers believe that the earth started 6,000 years ago and evolution is bogus. You just keep spraying. There's probably one or two little weeds that live through it. They didn't mind and next thing you know, they're the only ones living. It's a classic example of natural selections. It's a beauty. Let's say you got two clips. You got one from Did we do the Lieberman on? FBI From last week. I don't think we did that and we have judgmental is another clip I have here from you when we do those and then we need to get into our minute our minute Oh the minute. Yeah, okay. Well, let's do a couple of these are just the miscellaneous clips one of them I'm gonna bring up because we don't talk about it much because we decided the whole thing's just you know Just another distraction which is the acorn

CHAPTER 17 / 24 Discussion

ACORN Internal Investigation and Media Distractions

Bertha Lewis, CEO of ACORN, released an internal investigation following a series of undercover sting operations. The hosts argue that the focus on ACORN is a media distraction designed to draw attention away from massive military spending and the continued operation of the Guantanamo Bay detention center.

acorn· bertha lewis· glenn beck· nicaragua· political correctness· media distraction

46:30 So they had the woman who, the head's an acorn and she did her own investigation with it internally, you know, like that's not going to do any good. We fired people. And we fired people, but there was just something interesting that she said when she was apologizing for the whole thing. They took a quote and they read her quote and in there there was a comment that I just have to say something about. Play this little clip on her. My Thursday, Martha. Well, Trace Acorn is back in the news today. Bertha Lewis, the CEO Community Activist Group leader, has just released the details of their internal investigation now. It is after employees from several Acorn offices were caught Lewis saying, quote, yes, I terminated those employees, some of them. It was very sad. Over tenured veterans, mothers, grandmothers who thought they were doing the right thing by not being judgmental. Okay, there it is. Judgmental.

47:24 I'm a murderer! Well, let's don't be judgmental! This is like a reverse racism thing or something. What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's like political correctness gone nuts. So they had all these people that were... they were as natural for them. I've seen these movies. For them not to be judgmental because being judgmental is is politically incorrect as a bad thing. It's like if you have a limp or something not if you're a prostitute and bringing in underage girls. Yeah but no no no it can't be judgmental can't be judgmental but that's the whole liberal notion. Yeah it is that's what's killing us. Although I will say when I watch Glenn Beck who I haven't seen in a couple days actually

48:09 What is kind of interesting is he and others are now using the fake Setup, which was a fake prostitute with a fake pimp bringing in fake underage girls To become prostitutes. They've now turned that into acorn wants, you know allows Prostitutes to bring in girls from Nicaragua, you know, it's like well, hold on a second, you know, it was fake and You know what I mean? It's like they've really turned that into fact instead of what it was, which was a setup. So, but anyway, you're right, it's just a distraction. So we don't watch the $700 billion that is being spent on the military in Guantanamo Bay which will not be closed. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Oh, look at that. Okay, now the other clip I have is Lieberman who is just a groupie dog guy and he's

CHAPTER 18 / 24 Discussion

Senator Lieberman and FBI-NYPD Relations Hearing

Senator Joseph Lieberman presided over a Homeland Security committee hearing featuring FBI Director Robert Mueller. The hearing addressed reported friction between the FBI and the NYPD during the Zazi investigation. The hosts criticize the hearing as "window dressing" and complain about the lack of access to C-SPAN 3.

joseph lieberman· robert mueller· fbi· nypd· c-span· joint terrorism task force

49:04 He's at a hearing, and this is one of the committees on Homeland Security, and he has these different people on. I only want to play this one about New York. I think it's a clip that says something about New York. And so he, and he, it's just really kind of just a bunch of window dressing where they bring these, they had these different agencies on and they had Neapolitan or whatever her name is and you know, go on and she's going, wow. And she's just a bureaucrat. She's the Incredible Hulk is what she is. Doesn't she look like the Hulk? She does a little bit. Now she mentions, so does that woman from the EPA. But anyway, so, So they've got this new agency that's kind of a super agency, whatever the case is.

49:45 they have the one guy from the FBI there too so he's answering the following question which is just it's just so insincere and then Lieberman comes off with a bunch of bull that's obviously just meant to be put in a publication and he's always the guy that goes I really thank you for your service and your dedication and your time and oh it's worse than that on this one he called these people American heroes yeah thank you for getting up and having a bacon and eggs So let's play the Lieberman clip and you're gonna just go it's an eye roller from beginning to end Dr. Mueller, I have tremendous regard for the FBI and the New York Police Department. There were some news media reports about some disagreements between the FBI and the NYPD in the investigation of Zazie. I've had the occasion to talk to both you and Commissioner Kelly about these, and I wanted to the extent you're comfortable just to ask you to respond briefly for the public record on that. How are your relations with the New York Police Department?

50:50 I believe our relations are exceptionally good as good as they've been in a long time. I do believe the news media exaggerates issues that come up in any investigation. You don't say. You don't say. We talk ourselves through our New York office with NYPD. It's not just daily, but because we're embedded in each other's shops, we're working closely together day in and day out. New York Police Department has done a remarkable job in understanding the domain and allocating resources to address threats.

51:28 The relationship, I think, is as good as it's ever been at this juncture. And the exchange of information through the Joint Terrorism Task Force has been fulsome and enabled us to take the steps that we've taken to disrupt this latest threat. They waste a lot of valuable C-SPAN airtime, don't they? Unbelievable. But anyway, you gotta listen to this. It just gets better. I appreciate hearing that. As I said to you when we talked about this, I had occasion to be with Commissioner Ray. You know, I actually saw this live, John. I know what's coming. Kelly of the New York Police Department the other day asked him the same question and he gave exactly the same answer. What? Verbatim, no less. Wait, wait, wait. He says he talked to the...

52:10 there was no answer exactly exactly the same answer yeah national treasures national treasures in terms of law enforcement counter terrorism and I'm reassured to hear that you're working well together yeah you know what I think that when they open up the anal probes at the TSA Lieberman should go first send him through first You know, I watch this with, it's just like, why are we wasting time with this bullshit? yeah and you know and and by the way c-span is starting to hurt me because on uh... the dish network i only get c-span one and two do you get three somewhere no i don't get three because all the good shit is on three when is three when the three show i don't even know about you can only get three online apparently or maybe it's on some cable systems but you have to go to c-span dot org and you have to drill down of course you have to have windows media player

53:10 I think it does real player as well actually. That's great. You know, give me some flash baby. And that's where all the really good committees are because they always have the votes. They were voting on like I don't even know what they were, like some scam thing about gonna remove some guy. Who gives a crap? It's like, you know, you're just looking at, the Senate is on recess and they play like some hokey music and show you a really high ceiling shot of the Senate floor. That's like a waste. Meanwhile, the committees which are talking about, you know, the health care bill and other things are on C-SPAN 3.

53:49 Huh, well I should start looking at C-SPAN 3. I did notice the other night they had one of those situations like at 10 at night with two guys, the whole place dead empty. Completely empty, yeah. And two senators going back and forth with each other like, well I think, will the senator yield? Yes, I'll yield. You know, it's like Chip and Dale, these two chipmunks. And so the one senator, I think you're absolutely correct about this, Senator. I yield back. You rock. It's unbelievable. Hey, we got about 15-20 minutes left, so let's fill that time with... It's the No Agenda Swine Flu Minute. Because it's arrived. The vaccine is here. And they've got video of kids being shot up the nose.

CHAPTER 19 / 24 Discussion

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Marketing Campaign

The CDC has launched a massive immunization campaign for the H1N1 virus, featuring the "Flu Mist" nasal spray. The hosts analyze a CBS News report that uses dramatic imagery, including medical tents and critically ill children in Oklahoma, to encourage vaccine uptake. They characterize the campaign as a financial "money grab."

h1n1· swine flu· cdc· flu mist· cbs news· oklahoma children's hospital

54:38 With this vaccine. Yeah, the one that came out of the blue, the flu mist. Yeah, so there's this little video which is from the early show, which often features... Is that what Natalie Del Conte is on, the early show? I don't know which one of the shows she's on. It was that CBS show. Oh right, that's the This Morning or whatever. So it's not quite as good if you don't see the video. Typically it's fun to listen to the audio. Well maybe we will hear more things but I will point out some key pieces of video that you are missing while this is playing. This is another huge setup to get us all on this fine vaccine.

55:19 First though the ongoing fight against the h1n1. This is CBS, dude. This is that Harry Shearer, dude So I think this is Natalie show blue this morning America's biggest immunization campaign in history is underway So we have a look at exactly how it's being carried out all over the country call it a day in the life of the h1n1 vaccine I love that it's now a soap the day in the life of the h1n1 vaccine Jennifer Ashton is here with more good morning. Good morning, Harry And notice how they have a really hot doctor. Why is this doctor not in my doctor's office? I mean, I would be going for every scrape.

55:56 Hey baby, could you just take a look at this over here, please? Just kiss it and it'll be better. The government has ordered 250 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine which it anticipates will be enough to cover demand in the United States. But the CDC admits that getting the vaccine out will be bumpy at first. As 27 states report widespread activity of influenza, the long-awaited H1N1 vaccine... Have you seen these reports? I don't get it. I thought everyone stopped reporting and now all of a sudden it turns out there's been 250 deaths in California? Did you know that?

56:33 I thought they stopped reporting. Yeah, they did. But apparently CBS has data we don't. So this is awesome, awesome shots of people with a, getting this syringe up their nose. Which I figured out of course is to stop people from, you know, more people will take it when they know it's not an actual shot because people don't like shots. But, you know, jamming something up your nose with a little bit of mist is not that frightening. group that includes health care workers, children and people who care for children. As the vaccine... Hey John, I care. Do you care for children? Everybody does. I care. ...rolls out we checked out three different hot spots to see what's going on with H1N1 across the country. Terrell Brown is in New York City. We are inside the Montefiore Medical Center. It's one of the first hospitals in New York City to receive the H1N1 vaccine. The hospital ordered a hundred... He's opening up the fridge. ...vaccine. So far

57:36 500 doses of the nasal and it's literally a fridge is like a sub-zero It's just like what is it like when I got here? Yesterday two children were among the first to receive the vaccine If we're gonna die! ...available, truth of the matter is most healthy people will have to wait. While waiting for the vaccine, Dr. Pat Crocker reports that... Now here's the cool piece. Now this, you can't see this, but they have a tent set up indoors, like a military tent, like a triage. ...open this extra tent because of the high volume of patients we've been seeing locally. And it looks really scary, you know, they got people walking around with flu masks.

58:18 emergency department. And as Mark Strassman... So it looks like there's a... it looks like Outbreak, the Dustin Hoffman movie. You know, they got people in contamination suits and shit. The consequences of H1N1 can be dire. This is the intensive care unit... And here's a throwback to the one we saw before, John. At Oklahoma City's Children's Hospital. Up here, H1N1 has become a life and death fight. Three kids sick with the virus are critically ill up here. So it used to be two, remember there was the white rich kid and the poor black kid? Now there's three. And one is Mexican. So we've... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. Somebody did a focus group and said, where's the Mexican? Yeah, we need some Mexicans in there. We're going to fight this together. Two of them are... We're going to fight this together. Proving, but the third could go either way. And then they show the black kid.

59:05 Oklahoma has become one of the state's hardest hit by H1N1. The virus has doubled the everyday caseload in the hospital's emergency room and changed the way this hospital does business. So anyway, so the marketing push is on big time right now to get us to take this vaccine. At best it is just to take money. Oh yeah, it's a money grab, let's face it. Now one of the things that's interesting is what they really, the CBS really likes to harp on this Oklahoma thing. We have no numbers that show it's like the hardest hit. Nope. We've looked. There's no news reports about it being hardest hit. But we have those same two people. I know why. I know why. I know why. Because they had the lights all set up. They just want, you know, the lights are there. They just left the, you know, they left the lights all focused and everything. So, you know, they got to go back. It's like cheaper.

CHAPTER 20 / 24 Discussion

California State of Emergency and Vaccine Safety

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency in California due to the H1N1 outbreak. The hosts discuss public superstition regarding the virus and share an anecdote about a doctor recommending the vaccine for 18-month-old twins, despite CDC sheets advising against it for children under two.

arnold schwarzenegger· state of emergency· h1n1 vaccine· cdc· pediatric health

59:56 That's a union thing. Exactly. Governor Schwarzenegger signed an executive order, declared a state of emergency in California so that federal departments can do all kinds of stuff to vaccinate the people within their departments and they have priority and this is how put it in the show notes at noagendashow.com And so there is a state of emergency for the swine flu. What's interesting though, and I keep trying this at the office, because we have a number of documented swine flu cases at the office. Mickey's assistant has been out for three days, confirmed swine flu. And it sucks, you know, you got the flu, you don't feel good, and it kind of varies. Some people feel better than others, and some feel really crappy. But when you say to someone,

1:00:59 You probably have the swine flu. What is the first thing they say? No! No! No! I don't have the swine flu! Yeah, I... What is that? You're right. Why do you... Well, you were like the only one that's just the opposite. You had like the sniffles. No, I had swine flu. I have the swine flu! I gotta mark that one as well, that may be better. I had the swine flu, it was exactly in that period when there was two weeks in California, everyone was saying swine flu can strike, the president was in Mexico. So, you know, I was like, I had it. But when you say to someone, oh it's probably swine, even if I've tried different variations, I've tried, you know, it's probably normal, you know, it's just you probably have the swine flu. No! No, I don't have swine flu!

1:01:47 Well, yeah, I mean lots of people are getting it. It's like the flu, you know. So they've been sold a bill of goods and of course everybody seems to, you know, we have to admit or acknowledge the fact that Americans, especially since the George Bush administration, have become out and out superstitious. Yeah, yeah, that's good, yeah. And so saying you have this swine flu If you just didn't you should you stay in denial because if I think I have the swine flu I might die but if I if I pretend that I don't have the swine flu I will live because of some superstition that the swine flu is as you know this deadly disease when it turns out if they were actually read these reports it finds a very mild form of the regular flu generally admitted that way they even say this but you know then they show three kids who have had I'm sure every single study says well the people who died actually had like

1:02:41 pneumonia, at you know respiratory diseases. What? John? Nothing. You were screaming. What happened? Yeah. What happened? You were going to put in the pet peeve thing again? Well I'll do it if you want it. No, I'm just saying. There's a super level of superstition is pretty pathetic and that all you're doing is just uncovering it. Well that's kind of what we do on this show and and many people... And of course I might add Nobody at the office listens to our show. No one person one person Andrew Groman. Oh, and by the way, you know mark he has two he has twins and He was in the office the other day and we're you know, and whatever and and they were Born prematurely so they were an incubator for a little while and they're you know, they're doing great now and

1:03:36 And so we're having a meeting and I try to shake these meetings up and I was like, well, you know, I can't, hi baby. I can't get the swine flu, you know, because I have the kids can't get the swine flu. I said, well, you know, they'll be okay, you know, and they're really healthy right now. He says, yeah, but you know, we have to get them the swine flu vaccine. I said, no. And they're like 18 months. I said, no dude, absolutely not. By the way, Under two they're not supposed to get it. Well, the doctor says we should I said the doctor says you should get you should give your twins who are 18 months old you should give them the swine flu vaccine. Yeah. Yeah, he keeps saying we need it's time It's time so I pull up the CDC sheet I said well the Centers for Disease Control which you know who deliver this vaccine information sheet

1:04:23 It said literally say not under two so you should take this to your doctor and shove it up his ass And yeah, it's confusing the people and so that's you know, so clearly his doctor is on the take You know to because he I'm sure he gets paid X amount for each shot. He administers. It's bullshit Anyway, so we uncovered this stuff We hit people in the mouth and then we turn right around and we beg for money and We have a lot of, we had some good donations. We didn't get really much at the beginning of the, or after Sunday. Well, we did get back on iTunes. We got back on iTunes, so that might help us out a little bit. Yeah, although I still get somebody complaining that we're still not on iTunes. I don't know what that's all about. It seems to be working for me now. Everywhere else seems to be okay. Anyway, we got some good donations. Eon Davison Bridge End, UK. So we're still getting the international donations, 55 dollars.

1:05:20 dollars. David I. McAnally in Rome, Texas, $104. That's a good one. Lee Donaghy in Yarmouth, 50, who's the one who says we're not doing enough European stuff. David Alston in Yukon, Oklahoma, and he wants us to, for 50 bucks, he wants us to plug, which I'll do now, freshamericanbison.com, which I assume... Oh, it's a meat racket. It's a meat racket. I like buffalo by the way. You had buffalo at a restaurant. Yeah, which you said might not have been buffalo, but I'll believe it. Yeah, I think you were buffaloed. I like buffalo too. I like all kinds of venison. I like anything that is not fed on Monsanto corn essentially. Elk is great by the way. We need somebody out there who listens to the show who is an elk

CHAPTER 21 / 24 Discussion

Global Donations and Fresh American Bison Plug

The hosts read a list of international donations from locations including the UK, Texas, Israel, and Belgium. A $50 donation from David Alston includes a plug for freshamericanbison.com. They also acknowledge several female donors and celebrate a $451 contribution from executive producer John Schuman.

donations· fresh american bison· tel aviv· antwerp· cancun· john schuman

1:04:23 It said literally say not under two so you should take this to your doctor and shove it up his ass And yeah, it's confusing the people and so that's you know, so clearly his doctor is on the take You know to because he I'm sure he gets paid X amount for each shot. He administers. It's bullshit Anyway, so we uncovered this stuff We hit people in the mouth and then we turn right around and we beg for money and We have a lot of, we had some good donations. We didn't get really much at the beginning of the, or after Sunday. Well, we did get back on iTunes. We got back on iTunes, so that might help us out a little bit. Yeah, although I still get somebody complaining that we're still not on iTunes. I don't know what that's all about. It seems to be working for me now. Everywhere else seems to be okay. Anyway, we got some good donations. Eon Davison Bridge End, UK. So we're still getting the international donations, 55 dollars.

1:05:20 dollars. David I. McAnally in Rome, Texas, $104. That's a good one. Lee Donaghy in Yarmouth, 50, who's the one who says we're not doing enough European stuff. David Alston in Yukon, Oklahoma, and he wants us to, for 50 bucks, he wants us to plug, which I'll do now, freshamericanbison.com, which I assume... Oh, it's a meat racket. It's a meat racket. I like buffalo by the way. You had buffalo at a restaurant. Yeah, which you said might not have been buffalo, but I'll believe it. Yeah, I think you were buffaloed. I like buffalo too. I like all kinds of venison. I like anything that is not fed on Monsanto corn essentially. Elk is great by the way. We need somebody out there who listens to the show who is an elk

1:06:12 So what's the, this guy has a website, what was the website again? Fresh American Bison. Great, thank you. Thank you for your donation. Maybe we could order a couple of steaks. Then we have our 13th woman, Serena Swanson. Hey, hey. Bristol UK 50, John Richard, New Orleans 75, Sterling Ellsworth 7777. and I don't know why I don't have Sterling's City, I'll dig it up for next time. Then we have Guy Bozy. From France? A hundred dollars, Tel Aviv and he thinks he may be the first Israeli. I think he's right. Well that's kind of pathetic. Yeah well first of all thank you. Yes thanks Guy. How many shekels is that?

1:06:59 probably about five. Gilbert Bollinger actually in Santa Barbara 100. And then he's a... Oh, this is interesting. And that's I wrote something down peculiarly. You can't read your handwriting? No, no, I got like I wrote this somebody's from Homo Sasa, Florida. I don't think it's Gilbert I know it's not Mike Westerfield who's just on a night thing. Homo Sasa! Homo Sasa said what? I'll have to look it up. Sorry. Tristan Lennon and Wagga Wagga another 50. Anna V. There's another woman by the way we're up to 15.

1:07:38 Anavi Loizaya, L-O-Y-Z-A-Y-A or Loizaga, Loizaga, that's what it is, sorry, Davila. I love these names. Anna V. Lozaga. Yeah, a great job. She gave $50 and one cent. She wants us to say happy birthday to her boyfriend, Beto. B-E-T-O. Etches Zaretta. Hey, happy birthday, Beto. And he's in Cancun. Life's tough. Chris Clark in Oviedo, Florida. $69.69. We love that one.

1:08:16 Anyone who does 69.69 should get extra. Always gets an extra mention. There's nothing like the Soixante-Neuf. Ezra Phillips in Antwerp. I think this is our first Antwerp guy. $50. Very possible. It was about 5 euros, I think. Oh man, San Coletio in Charlotte, North Carolina, 100. Was that San or Sam? It says San on here, but it should be Sam, I think. I don't know. And then of course John Schumann who is our executive producer for this week from Madison, Wisconsin, $451. Oh wait, Eva just walked in, Mickey's assistant. Eva, what did you have? Come closer, come closer to the microphone. Hold on a second. You were sick, right? Yeah. What did you have? What kind of flu? I don't know. Come on. H1N1. Yeah, thank you. Just wanted to hear. Could you please like lick me?

CHAPTER 22 / 24 Discussion

Live Interview with Swine Flu Survivor Eva

Eva, an assistant at the hosts' office, describes her recent experience with a confirmed case of H1N1. She lists her symptoms as fever, cough, headache, and fatigue, lasting approximately five days. She notes that she recovered using standard over-the-counter medications like Sudafed and Tylenol without using Tamiflu.

h1n1 symptoms· fever· fatigue· sudafed· tylenol· recovery

1:09:14 He's already he's already here you ruin the show if you lick him don't do it. She had swine flu. She had swine flu This is Eva Mickey's assistant. Oh, and she had swine flu. Yeah, she was out for three days. Would you have like fever? Yeah, you have coughing Have her described it comes for people hold on a second. Would you mind coming over? You let me just turn off the noise gate so we can actually hear her. Hold on. Oh Let me turn that off. I think my son may have had swine flu last week. Okay, Eva's going to describe her symptoms. So stuffy, coughy, fever, headache. Stomach? No, no stomach. Really? No energy? No sex drive? Swine flu, John. Ask her if she ever had lungs aching. Were your lungs aching? But you were short of breath? She was short of breath though, John.

1:10:15 So she had coughing, fever, aching, short of breath, and fatigue. Anything else that we should know about? Okay, what did you take? Sudafed, Tylenol, Paracetamol. And how many days was this? It started Saturday, so about five days. Five days. And she lives and she looks fine. Let me just check you out. Was she camel flu or what? No, she looks great by the way. Nice rack. She looks great. She didn't take any Tamiflu. She took Sudafed and Tylenol. And she lives. Well, there you have it. There you go. Hold on. There was somebody on the radio the other day that they were talking about swine flu on some sports show and somebody's friend died.

CHAPTER 24 / 24 Discussion

Atlas Shrugged Resurgence and Show Sign-off

The episode concludes with a discussion on the 25% increase in sales of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," which the hosts attribute to its relevance to current events. They offer a shout-out to Bubba Martin and mention the book "Death by Meeting" before signing off until the Sunday episode.

ayn rand· atlas shrugged· john galt· bubba martin· death by meeting· sign-off

1:14:00 And we do it twice a week and you know we're always working on doing more. We've got the No Agenda stream which we're working on. Thanks to all the, I mean we must have like 25 or 30 people who want to be a stream manager. We're now meticulously going through interviewing people, talking to them, finding out you know what, you know if they can do the job that we that we are dreaming of and that will, you know, some of the money from that you donate will go to that person and eventually we'll have like a little business. I hope. And I want to also do a shout out to Bubba Martin. Yeah. Who does our cage match and he fell ill. Yeah. We hope he's doing better. He is doing better but we hope he stays healthy. John, just to wrap it up, I'd like to give you a pop quiz. Okay, pop.

1:14:55 What book has sold 25% more copies in the first half year of this year than it sold in all of last year? Shipping a total of 300,000 copies so far What book could it be? Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I have Again your question Atlas shrugged at least let the Jeopardy theme get in there a little bit. What is Atlas Shrugged? Yes, you answered in the form of a question. You are correct. You can go on to the Daily Double. That's right. Atlas Shrugged is seeing a huge resurgence because people are seeing the complete connections between what Ayn Rand wrote and what is happening today at this very moment.

1:15:45 So it's time to go Galt everybody and again something you heard on this show first before it became mainstream knowledge Unfortunately, yeah, have you read it yet John? Are you one of the last week? Yeah bullshit. You did this guy named Galt Someone should stop him All right, and I think we've had just about enough would you mind just starting the book John I I read it. I read it last week. You did not. It takes you a month to read that book. I read Fountainhead in one sitting. Okay. Well, when you read it, you'll go, hey, damn, Adam, you were right. I can say that anytime you want. Just send me a memo. I want...

1:16:38 I want you to read it. Bring it up at a meeting. Oh, I'm almost done with Death by Meeting. What a great book. Oh yeah, I gotta read that. Yeah, I mean that thing you can read in two hours. It's a good one. Anyway, if the minimum containment cell has not been torn down by then, I'll be back here on Sunday bringing you another episode of No Agenda. Coming to you from... Well, hold on. Let me say my name. I thought you were done. No, I'm Adam Curry. So, meanwhile, it's foggy here in Foggy Bottom, Northern Silicon Valley, and I should be here, I think. I don't think I'm going anywhere this weekend. I'm John C. Dvorak. We will talk to you again on Sunday, apparently, right here, on NO Agenda.