Episode 124 · Sunday, 23 August 2009

Obama's Lobsters

A controversial prisoner release in Scotland exposes the intersection of Libyan oil and global politics while secret space programs and town hall revolts dominate the domestic landscape.

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About this episode

The release of Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds by the Scottish government triggers allegations of a secret oil deal between Gordon Brown and Muammar Gaddafi. While the UK government cites medical mercy for the terminal patient, critics suggest the move secured lucrative Libyan drilling rights for British energy firms. The geopolitical fallout coincides with David Cameron positioning himself as the next Prime Minister with Google CEO Eric Schmidt serving as a primary economic advisor.

In Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai claims a dubious election victory amidst reports of widespread voter intimidation and the resurgence of regional warlords. Domestic tensions in the United States escalate as Blue Dog Democrats like Gene Taylor face raucous town hall crowds in Montana and Mississippi. Reports of a massive lobster shipment for President Barack Obama’s rural visit further inflame public anger over high unemployment and government spending. Meanwhile, the SEIU and ACORN face scrutiny over proposals for automated government enrollment systems designed to maximize state dependency.

Legacy media icon Don Hewitt receives a final tribute through a 2001 C-SPAN clip detailing a volatile 1992 encounter with a sobbing James Carville during the Gennifer Flowers scandal. The episode takes a turn into the esoteric with an analysis of Gary McKinnon’s hack of Naval Space Command files, which allegedly revealed a list of non-terrestrial officers and secret moon bases. From the beaches of Formentera to the central banker summit in Jackson Hole, the global power structure remains under the microscope.


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CHAPTER 01 / 22 Discussion

Formentera Vacation, Naked Walkers, and Sea Salt

A host returns from a vacation in Formentera, Spain, describing the island's history and the "naked walkers" tradition. The discussion covers local dining at Can Carlos and the process of cooking fish in sea salt. Technical difficulties with GPRS data speeds and solar charging during the trip are also noted.

formentera· spain· indigenous people· sea salt· can carlos· naked walkers

00:01 You're on a deserted island with one person. How good do you have to look? You should be naked half the time. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's August 23rd, 2009. Time again for your Gitmo Nation audio publication episode 124. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the 17th Century Canal House Crackpot Command Center located in Amsterdam. Gitmo Nation East, back from my deserted island. I'm Adam Curry and coming to you from Northern Silicon Valley where the fog rolled in and hasn't rolled out. I'm John C. Dvorak. That was the joke of the entire vacation. It was like, Oh, I'm ready. Turn on the foam. Johnny C. Dvorak, turn on the foam. I'm ready, man. My life has changed, man. I like, you know, there's one club there that they have foam that is about six feet thick. No, I think every club has foam that's six feet thick, but it was not any pizza.

01:11 I was in Formentera, which has a very interesting history, that island. I bet it does. It sounds like you're really interested. So what do I tell them? Well, you already told me it's an old hippie island. Yeah, but the indigenous people, I forget what they were indigenous people. thousands of years ago well you know a lot of people on that island like the Spanish and the Romans and but the indigenous peoples who live there were actually known as the the naked walkers oh really yeah and or the translation of the name and to this day you know it's kind of a mixed a mixed bag so to speak of people who

01:56 On the beach naked and people who are on the beach not naked. It's cool though. It's like it's no big deal. Yeah, the naked walkers. You go up to them and say, hello lady, are you a native? Are you indigenous to the area? Would you like a cornetto? Would you like a cornetto ice cream? How is the food? Hey, there was this one restaurant on the island that absolutely rocks called Can Carlos. And of course it's only really open three or four months a year. And we went there two times, very hard to get a reservation. Actually three times, I'm sorry.

02:34 John, fantastic. This young Italian couple have taken over the restaurant since like whatever last season I guess. Oh my god, it was outstanding. And they have this thing in Formentera. So Formentera is known for it. The only of course tourism And salt, sea salt is made there. Oh did you bring some sea salt back? Did you get some of the indigenous sea salt? Yes, we brought back some of the naked indigenous sea salt. And they do this sea bass, or actually we had a dorada, which what is that? What kind of fish is that?

03:14 The rod? Yeah. I don't know, it's a bass I think. It's kind of like a bass. And what they do is they actually cook it in this whole big pancake of sea salt and then they crack it open. It's great though. It was like, whoa, tasted awesome. So you brought some sea salt back for me? Did you give me like a bottle? Yeah, yeah, of course. Did you miss me? Well, I... Yeah, I did miss you extremely because I couldn't kibitz with you about what's going on, especially in Great Britain.

03:49 Boy, I did it was very we didn't have electricity I had the solar panels to recharge the the cell phone so I could you know do a little bit of email But of course they they don't actually have 3G boy. That was a surprise uploading Thursday's show it GPRS only Which is like one 1.2 K per second or something like that it took hours and So Christina has been keeping up to speed a little bit, but I didn't hear of anything shocking. What's going on? Well, you know they let out the guy who... this is funny that you don't know this. Oh no, I do know this. The Lockerbie guy.

CHAPTER 02 / 22 Discussion

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, Lockerbie Bomber Release, and Libyan Oil

The release of the Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, on compassionate grounds sparks a discussion regarding potential political motives. Speculation arises that the British government, led by Gordon Brown, orchestrated the release as a quid pro quo for access to Libyan oil fields. The hosts also comment on Muammar Gaddafi's fashion choices and the validity of the original evidence against Megrahi.

abdelbaset al-megrahi· lockerbie bombing· libya· muammar gaddafi· gordon brown· pan am flight 103

04:31 So the guy's been in jail for what? Ten years? Ten years. After killing 271 people supposedly? See, when that Lockerbie thing first began, if anyone hasn't followed us, they haven't been following the news, but what happened of course, they released him because he's not feeling well. Under compassionate grounds. And so they released him back to a hero's welcome in Libya. But you know when that thing first broke there was an awful lot of good reporting taking place in the Independent, the Telegraph and many of the British newspapers which indicated that this guy never did it in the first place. Right, well that's what I did read, you know, question mark, was he a patsy, etc. etc. Which kind of explains why they were not

05:12 you know that adverse to releasing him because I think everybody knew the whole thing was just some sort of a slap on the wrist against Libya for some other transgressions like the bombing of the nightclub in Germany or whatever. Can I just say one thing about, because I did follow some of the story in the Financial Times, have you seen a recent picture of Muammar Gaddafi? Yeah, actually he was on the news last night. What is up with the yellow hat and the yellow shirt? Is this like a fashion statement? He wasn't wearing a yellow... he was wearing a suit underneath a cloak. He was wearing a yellow hat, which by the way is the new fashion color in Italy this year, and a yellow suit jacket. I'm like, since when is Muammar Gaddafi following fashion?

05:59 Well, maybe he passed through Italy and he just thought it was a good idea. But whatever the case, he wasn't wearing that. But they showed a picture which has caused the controversy, having a meeting like I guess three or four, five, six weeks ago with Gordon Brown, who apparently set this up and now everybody's saying that was to get at the oil fields of Libya. And so it was a quid pro quo, you know, they said, we would like to get your oil. And you know, the way the thing would have gone was, we'd like to get your oil. Well, you got our guy locked up for no good reason. So well, if we release him, can you give us the oil? And this is, well, you know, if you're going to release him, you know, he's dreamed up some phony baloney pretense to release him. But meanwhile, now we're still now, unfortunately, because they can't admit that there was the wrong guy in jail, I'm guessing.

06:45 I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe this is the right guy, but all the evidence was way, I mean, it was way out in front that it was out of Syria or the CIA was involved. in some switch they switched a package on or something is it's actually in the Wikipedia has a good sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss There's been a lot going on there.

CHAPTER 03 / 22 Discussion

David Cameron, Eric Schmidt, and UK Political Shifts

David Cameron is positioned as the likely successor to Gordon Brown in the upcoming UK general election. The hosts highlight that Google CEO Eric Schmidt serves as an economic advisor to Cameron, questioning Schmidt's ability to advise both the UK Conservatives and the Obama administration. Skepticism is expressed regarding Cameron's political authenticity.

david cameron· eric schmidt· google· conservative party· gordon brown· uk politics

07:34 browns and browns done he can get past this is a unless they admit that they get the wrong i like that which they can't possibly do since it was the british government that set this thing up well i i think uh... you know it's not just through this case but it's pretty obvious that that Brown is supposed to get out now. Maybe they want to accelerate him getting out. I guess they're going to call a general election any day now. And David Cameron's supposed to come in. That's the way it always goes, flip-flop, flip-flop, left, right, left, right. Yeah, well, David Cameron at least sounds good on paper. I've got a couple of clips of him. David Cameron's personal advisor is Eric Schmidt from Google. Does that help? Is that right? Oh yeah, he does all kinds of... he's like a special advisor to the conservative party and he's always showing up at special symposia and oh yeah... Eric Schmidt? Yes! Buddy buddy with David Cameron. How can he be running with the conservatives in Britain and then running with the ultra liberals in Washington? How does that work? He likes to go with a winning team, John.

08:31 Well, I don't blame him for that. Let me, let me, I'll Google it for you. Let me see. Eric, let's run a couple of Cameron clips while we're talking about him. So people know who he is since he will be, he's obviously the next guy. He talks a great game. Here it is, Google's chief executive Eric Schmidt was appointed David Cameron's economic advisor. What is this? Eric Schmidt is a scientist. He was the chief science officer. No he's not. He's an economic advisor. What do you mean he did nothing? Here, this is a... What is this all... Economic advisor? Yes he is. How do you collect, get lucky and become a billionaire and now you're an economic advisor? Yes. Look how crap that is.

09:19 Oh yeah, man. I'm telling you, Eric Schmidt is all over the place. He's on Obama's team and he's on David Cameron's team. He's a conservative, I mean a Democrat. A conservative. I don't know what he is. I don't know, he floats around a lot. He's obviously a bag man for somebody. Yeah, bag man being black bags filled with money? So that would be my guess. That's all he does is just drops off money everywhere play the clip British conservatives stability and at the heart of our program for government would be an intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state so that ultimately it's people in control of the government and not government in control of the people Gee, where have I heard that one before? Talk is cheap

CHAPTER 04 / 22 Discussion

UK Civil Liberties, Surveillance, and Quango Workers

A speech by David Cameron outlines the erosion of personal freedom in Britain, citing thousands of new powers allowing state officials to enter homes. The discussion defines "Quangos" (quasi-autonomous non-governmental organizations) and their role in public life. Statistics regarding the misuse of Section 44 of the Terrorism Act for stop-and-search procedures are reviewed.

civil liberties· cctv· quango· terrorism act· surveillance· david cameron

10:09 I love this. This guy is, this is the guy who made a big deal out of being green and riding his bike to work and then of course the press found out that his limousine was following behind with his briefcase. This guy's a real tool. Listen to more. Now we'll start by putting back in place the protections of personal freedom that Labour have taken away. Today in Britain not in some foreign dictatorship or in some bygone age, you can wake up in the morning in your own bed, in your own home, to hear a knock on the door from an official with one of over a thousand powers that let the state go into your house. You don't have to be a terrorist or a criminal fugitive. The authorities have the right to come into your home, for example, to inspect your potted plants for pests, to check the regulation of any hedgerow. More than half of these new powers have been introduced in the past 12 years.

11:03 but let me get back to your house to check for pests in your pocket. Oh yeah, they can do all kinds of stuff and they have, we didn't talk about this on the show, but a couple weeks ago there was an announcement that I think 20,000 Britons are going to be, if they get an ass bow or essentially if they're written up as being anti-social then they're going to hang cameras in these people's homes? Yeah, we blogged that. state can not only enter your home, they can snoop on you as you walk down the street. And it's not just the sort of spies you see in... So I guess he's going to do away with all the CCTV cameras, right? David Cameron's going to turn all of this around and it's all going to be gone. ...prime time dramas, but these are sort of new spooks if you like. Council officials, quango workers using the regulation of a

11:49 What's a quango worker? I was going to ask you what a quango worker was. A quango worker? A quango worker. Those quango workers are trouble. This warrants some googling. Hold on. What is it? Q-U you think? Quango worker? Yeah, it has to be quango. Q-U-A-N-G-O. That's the only possibility. The quango, top link, the quango that is killing Britain. The quango has accurately manipulated the infected workers into desiring what the government prefers them to do. Huh? Quango worker. Let's listen to the rest of the clip while we investigate Quango. Maybe someone in the chat room can help us with what a Quango worker is. Investigatory Powers Act, or REAPER, sometimes known as the Grim Reaper. This was supposedly introduced to help fight terrorism. But for instance, a pool council in the Southwest used it to spy for nearly three weeks on a young family who had applied to a local primary school and they wanted to check to see if they lived in the right catchment area.

12:46 Councils in Derby and Gateshead. Yeah. All right. That's the end of the clip. Yeah. Yeah, he's just outlining stuff. So if you want it, why are you still looking? You can now he goes on and on and on with listing every crazy thing going on, which is of course, we've been blogging and everybody's been pointing out exactly. Of course, he's in the government. So you have to wonder how much he had to do with it. You might as well go to continue hitting further down in a speech go to crazy arrests I just thought these these statistics that he threw out were actually kind of funny Oh, and by the way stuff we've been talking about for two years on this very program. Oh, yeah We've been talking about it for since day one I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Then there's the misuse of the terrorist legislation section 44 of the Terrorism Act gives the police the power

13:31 This of course is police can tell you to can arrest you if you're taking pictures of the police To stop and search any person on the street that last year it was used over a hundred and twenty thousand times a threefold increase on the year before That's one person stopped every four minutes yet only 1% of these searches led to an arrest let alone charges or convictions And instead, not terrorist offences, we see a woman in her 30s held for walking on a cycle path, parents and their 12-year-old disabled son detained for two hours by 10 officers on suspicion of people trafficking. But let's say, I'm not making this up by the way, let's say you were charged.

14:15 I would argue there are now serious questions about the quality of justice in Britain. Since 2003, we've seen repeated attempts to remove the role of juries in fraud trials, in coroner's inquests and other criminal trials. And justice hasn't just been eroded by Hume... He really, really talks a big game. But of course, he's just shepherding in the total takeover, the total Gitmo Nation East takedown, I should say, is what he's going to do. It's his turn. Quango, an acronym, quasi-autonomous non-governmental organization. Wow. So why do they have any powers? I don't know. The use in the UK of executive agencies charged with service delivery functions has arisen alongside so-called non-departmental public bodies. I don't know, it's just more bullshit.

CHAPTER 05 / 22 Discussion

Jane Burgermeister, Swine Flu Vaccine, and Los Angeles Incident

The hosts discuss reports of a scientist or activist involved in auditing medical care in Los Angeles who was allegedly detained after claiming swine flu vaccines were being tested on vulnerable populations. The narrative involves an attempted escape to the Israeli embassy and a subsequent arrest under the guise of a threat against the White House. The segment references Project Camelot as a source for these claims.

jane burgermeister· swine flu· vaccine· project camelot· los angeles· forced vaccination

15:12 I like the word. It's a great word. We should use it. Quango. We got to popularize it here. Yes. Quango. I mean, I think Acorn is a quango. Totally. That's a perfect example of a quango. Yeah. It's a quasi-autonomous, non-government organization. It's a quango. Acorn equals quango. uh... okay so for a little bit but what he'll do of course is he'll let gordon brown usher in the uh... forced vaccinations for a swine flu and the when people start dropping dead then and then he'll say ought me to general election gotta get this guy out he killed our babies and then uh... and he let that that terrorist go

15:58 and of course he's a scotsman. He's already done, Brown has already done enough by letting the terrorists go to be ousted. But I'm sure that you know Brown being a scot had something to do with it all right? Yeah I would think. Yeah. Anyway okay so what do you got? You want to hear more clips? No before you get to a clip remember the The scientist, the micro... microbiologist scientist who was arrest... no actually he wasn't just arrested he was... Shot shot dead in the street. He wasn't... I don't think he was shot dead. He was... Oh he was picked up. He was tased after...

16:37 uh... with the new first in a squirt something out of not a first aid surrounded in a big blast it was some rather than a case of your gas right here but i have some some in his mouth and dragged him off we haven't heard from sense so uh... i haven't been able to verify it but i have all the links on put them in the show notes that uh... no agenda show dot com he apparently was that very so he had been uh... or auditing or overseeing the uh... wasn't it was the name of john the uh... the special uh... at auditorium there in los angeles the uh... the medical care during a medical thing yet more whatever that's called jesus feels so inadequate uh... because he was uh... convinced that they were testing out swine flu vaccine on uh... people who basically need to go to this third world type organization to get their health care and uh... what turns out that

17:32 Only one day before or that day itself. He was doing an interview talking about this on a radio show by an outfit called Project Camelot, which you probably heard of project camelot.org and he's always actually he's on the show he's talking about what's going on at In Los Angeles with swine flu being you know the swine flu vaccine being tested on people and then he tries to escape to the israeli embassy and he's tear gas tase dragged off and never heard from again and of course all under the veil of he threatened to blow up the white house while he was in los angeles hilarious i just love it so uh... i got a look into that a little bit uh... a little bit deeper yeah we gotta find his guy i think the dude may need some help well you know if we can figure out where he is and who has him i mean you don't know even who arrested him

CHAPTER 06 / 22 Discussion

Jay Leno Show, Jessica Alba Commercial, and NBC Strategy

The new Jay Leno Show is criticized following the airing of a commercial featuring Jessica Alba and stacks of pancakes. The hosts argue the ad lacks humor and suggests a decline in writing quality. The discussion explores NBC's strategy of replacing scripted dramas at 10:00 PM with a talk show to save money, potentially ceding the time slot to competitors.

jay leno· nbc· jessica alba· late night tv· conan o'brien· television ratings

18:26 No, it's a mess. It's a real mess. Sometimes I really think that shit is coming down fast and furious and we really are just kind of glossing over it, John. We really are not seeing... There's a bigger picture here. There probably is and we're glossing it over which is hilarious. It makes you wonder what the rest of the news media is up to. Yeah, really. Don't know did you have any real news? I mean, I'm so I got some real news. Would you like a real news? Jingle here part of it and now So I don't I have I have no high hopes for the new Jay Leno show. Have you seen it? Has it has it aired yet? No, no, no, it's coming out a week or two. Okay, but here's the commercial. Here's one of the commercials they ran could run Jessica Alba. I was gonna say I could pretty much guess which clip was What was the real news clip Jessica Alba? All right, I'm gonna set it up. This is supposed to be funny. Okay, you ready?

19:28 Here we go. Research shows America wants more comedy. I thought the audience wanted more pancakes. Ooh, sorry Jessica Alba, but it's more comedy served fresh every night, which is why we're bringing you the Jay Leno Show. You mean I made all these pancakes for nothing? Uh-huh. Oh my god. I guess he lost his normal riders. Pancakes? She's standing there with the stacks of pancakes all around her. They're all like seven feet, seven foot stacks of pancakes. And they're saying, no, I thought they wanted pancakes. It's got this is there's no reference to anything. It's not funny. It's just Jessica Alba standing there. She's not even dolled up in these in this pile of pancakes as though this is like, but this is must be hilarious.

20:12 I'm shaking my head looking at this ad thinking this show is gonna be terrible. So did Conan get the writers? That's a possibility. Somebody got the writers. Whatever the case is, obviously whoever the main writers were didn't want to do, I don't know, maybe, I have no idea. Maybe they restaffed the whole show. I haven't got a clue. All I know, and maybe the guys who do the commercials have nothing to do with the show. But you'd think that you'd have some, you'd think Leno would have some approval of an idiotic commercial like this. But I guess not.

20:47 I still don't know what they're trying to prove with this. It just doesn't sound like a very good idea, other than saving a lot of money because they're not going to put a full scripted, full blown drama in that time slot. Yeah, but they're never going to be able to regain the spot. No, you're right. I mean, basically, they could lose it so bad. They had Law and Order, which was a money maker, and that was always running at 10 o'clock. And then they had a couple of other shows that they were going to push to 10. Now they're going to lose 10 o'clock completely, leaving it just to ABC and CBS. Fox has never gone into 10. They've always let the local news broadcasts go at 10. But Fox could just step in if they wanted to.

CHAPTER 07 / 22 Discussion

Hyundai Assurance, Natural Gas Prices, and Market Rigging

A Hyundai commercial promising "gas" leads to a discussion on the collapse of natural gas prices despite high oil prices. The hosts suggest the energy market is rigged and mention the book "The Informant" regarding corporate price-fixing at Arthur Daniels Midland. They question why the media does not promote natural gas as a viable automotive fuel alternative.

hyundai· natural gas· oil prices· market rigging· the informant· arthur daniels midland

21:32 Anyway, NBC's screwed. Here's another one that's kind of a real news. Read the... Here's a... I thought this was a screwy ad. Just because the guy doing the voiceover, he emphasized words in such a way that it gave you the wrong impression. Run the Hyundai ad. Of all the things that are changing lately, Hyundai Assurance has remained rock solid and gotten even better because now it gives you something else. Gas. What? What? Gas? And by the way, I was following some of the news. So we've got oil now at what, 74, 75 bucks a barrel. And natural gas, which works fine by the way for running automobiles, is, the prices have collapsed.

22:22 I know, it's hilarious. I mean, we can heat our homes with that, we can drive our cars on that, we have tons of it. What is going on? Why doesn't... and the news media doesn't say, hey, by the way, that's kind of cool, you know, this... we seem to have a lot of gas, we can do something with it. Yeah, I know. I know it's just because the market's rigged and they're just running the price oil. Eventually the price of oil will come back down where it belongs, which is $40. And all they do is, well, we need to jack the prices up so we're just going to stop producing. they're reading it right in front of your very eyes display we don't like the price and i'm not i'm i finish that uh... that book the informant about uh... arthur daniels midland corporation it to uh... the corporate america big big corporate america it all it does is read prices all over the place everything's rigged

CHAPTER 08 / 22 Discussion

Paulie Malignaggi, Juan Diaz, and Boxing Corruption

The HBO fight between Paulie Malignaggi and Juan Diaz is characterized as "rigged" following a controversial decision in favor of Diaz. Malignaggi's post-fight interview, where he expresses disgust with the sport's corruption, is highlighted. The hosts also discuss the lack of mainstream media coverage for boxing compared to other sports.

paulie malignaggi· juan diaz· max kellerman· oscar de la hoya· boxing· hbo

23:16 Yeah, well which brings me to another clip. Oh gee yeah, I like to transition we're having a segue So I didn't mean to go right into this okay is this can we can we close off the real news segment or is more? More you know this is actually more real news this happened last night Talking about rigged There was a fight last night, Paul Mal... Mal... Malginati... Oh, this was the big HBO fight, right? This was the big one, yeah. I remember seeing the commercials. And against Juan Diaz. Malginati, Malginati, I can never... I have to re-look at his name.

23:56 No, it's it's anyway Paul had he Paul Paul Paul We know Mel Gennady Paul Mel. Joe. I got a Belgian on anyway, so he had the fight was rigged and it was just rigged And it was a Golden Boy production, which was the famous Oscar de la Hoya. And so I was talking to a friend of mine, I said, well, Oscar's finally made it as an American, as a Latino-American fight promoter, as a fight promoter, he's made it because now he can rig fights, which is the goal of everybody. And so this guy went ballistic. I only have a small clip of it, but Kellerman, who's interviewing him, seems to be like a stooge for the rig. Now, who's Kellerman?

24:41 Max Kellerman is like an analyst who is detested by the boxing community, generally speaking, mainly by Ring Magazine. And this is going to do him no good whatsoever because after this was over, Kellerman even came on and gave a little speech which kind of defended this ridiculous scoring. Portion of what you're about to mention is that boxing is rigged. I mean, this is like there's gambling going on there Yeah, just play the Kellerman club. I just found the whole thing hilarious because this guy went crazy Pauly assuming you don't get a rematch for a second. You know, I get a rematch man. This is boxing boxing is full of shit, man. I used to

25:21 I used to love this sport, man. I cannot stand doing this. The only reason I do this is because it gives me a good payday. Boxing is full of shit. Paulie, assuming you don't get the rematch... you here have re-established yourself on a world class level, what would you want next? Listen, anything that comes my way, I mean I'm just an opponent after losing the fight! One can go call out the winner of Marquez and Mayweather or the winner of another big fight, I don't have that luxury because I got robbed so I'm on the short end of the stick. So I gotta sit back and hope I get used as an opponent in somebody's hometown again. This is the bullshit I gotta go through. I'm fighting for all this money. Paulie, Paulie, congratulations on a tremendous performance and an excellent fight, it was a lot of fun to watch. Thank you, one!

26:00 I love that. How much did that cost? 23 bucks to watch? No, it was on free. Really? It wasn't a pay-per-view. No, no, no. The pay-per-views are only once every few months. Oh. And I refused to... I just assumed they'd show them later, a week later, so I'd watch them then. Even though you know the outcome of the fight? Yeah, I just wanted to see if I'd like to watch this. Yeah. It doesn't kind of defeat the purpose, John. I don't know. Not if you want to watch these guys box and see what happened. Well, but you know what happened. Well, I sometimes I well, you know, they don't play it up a lot. So the media has decided what sports are important. And because of the political correctness movement, boxing has been pushed to they never very rarely even run stories in the sports section on boxing.

26:57 If I go right now to Google News and look at sports, I've got a baseball, a racing thing, and a Grand Prix story on the front page. If I go to the sports page... Didn't I hear that President Obama was pandering to NASCAR? Didn't I read that somewhere? No, I don't remember that. Apparently some real green initiative. Let me see if I can find this somewhere. I'm looking at the whole sports thing. You'd have to type in boxing to find out what happened. So half the time you can't yeah, Mel, you're not Mel, you're not G Mel, you're not G Mel, you're not G. That's it Mel Mel, you're not Mel, you're not it's just a worse name. Yeah, this is why this guy's on. Yeah, no kidding. No name. You got no name. You can't win. You know, you gotta have something cool like like Ali, you know, this is no good Mel, you're not G. That's what I think it is or Mel, you're not G. I don't know.

CHAPTER 10 / 22 Discussion

Afghanistan Election, Hamid Karzai, and Warlord Influence

Hamid Karzai's claim of victory in the Afghan election is met with skepticism. The hosts describe Karzai as a "shill" for American interests and criticize the media for failing to highlight his US ties. They also mention the return of warlords to power and the intimidation of voters.

hamid karzai· afghanistan· election fraud· warlords· financial times

29:05 He claimed victory immediately. It's a shock. Yeah, really. To me it's just unbelievable and not a single publication I saw at least, I read the big ones, the Financial Times, Wall Street Journal and New York Times, not a single one actually says, by the way, Hamad Karzai educated in America, lived in America, was put in as a shill by the Americans, You know, it's like and then they've brought back Some warlord. What's his name? Dutz Dutton or something? I can't forget his name and Anyhow, they just intimidated everybody. It's just like they don't even have to do that. You just say whatever though They want to say let's go with one more real news story on the roll. This is actually real news from a news broadcast Southwest flight

CHAPTER 11 / 22 Discussion

Southwest Airlines Incident, Go Topless Day, and Public Urinals

A passenger on a Southwest Airlines flight was arrested after stripping naked and punching a woman. This leads to a discussion on "Go Topless Day" and the 14th Amendment rights of women. The hosts compare American attitudes toward nudity and public urination with the more liberal approach in the Netherlands, specifically mentioning Amsterdam's open-air urinals.

southwest airlines· go topless day· public nudity· sex offender registry· amsterdam· urinals

30:07 A Southwest Airlines passenger is in custody in the Bay Area tonight. Authorities say he not only hit passengers, he stripped on board. Shortly after flight 947 departed Oakland for St. Louis this morning, passengers say Darius Chappell exposed himself to a woman. She screamed and the 21-year-old allegedly punched her in the face. Authorities say Chappell then ran down the aisle, fought with the flight attendants and stripped naked as the passenger photo shows. Now that's what I call news And he was later heard to be saying turn on the phone dude turn on the phone I Think there was a wasn't yesterday go top. Maybe it's today go topless day Yeah, I think it is go topless org

30:56 where topless yeah in this guy you go to the next thing you know you're on the sexual offenders well that's that's what that's why there's this whole yet for a Sunday August 23rd 2009 in honor of women's equality day which of course John you and I celebrate now yeah and if you go to go topless dot org across the US apparently in many cities across the US women are going to be protesting under the 14th Amendment That they have the right to go topless there where men can go topless and of course that they absolutely have the right to do that that is kind of a weird cultural thing, you know just coming back from From the south of Spain where it's totally no big deal for and throughout most of Europe it's no big deal for women to go topless on the beach and In America, why are we all messed up about that in America because it's a sexual offense Yeah

31:55 It's just that simple. There's just no two ways about it. It's a sexual offense. You have to be on the registry. Are you looking at this website? You know, they have no, they have the, uh, you know, the, the thing is the, um, New York City, Central Park, Columbus Circle. You have this theory that all these guys in higher level of governments are a bunch of essential pedophiles and whatever. You know what better way to cover your tracks than to make everything a sexual offense? So the real pedophiles can't be identified. Yeah, good point. The rapists can't be identified. There's a good story in The Economist that people should look up, which just goes on to a rant about America and its sex offenders lists. In fact, they got guys who peed in the park, literally. And then you're on the sex offenders list if you pee in the park? Yeah, in some states, absolutely.

32:53 And in fact if you can find some of these online There's a bunch of Google map mashups where you can go and see it look at the sexual offenders wait a minute area not put together by Vivek our CIO by any chance He's taken some cobalt data, and he's mashed it up into the sex offenders Google map So the the point is is that you can look at these and you'll see a lot of them are like real sketchy It's like why is this? Guy on the list, it's you know Pete in the park by the way peeing is really not a sexual act. I Should mention this to these courts. Yeah, but that's exposing yourself I guess yeah at night you're drunk, you know in Holland when they had the big Queen's Day They have all these public bathrooms. Yes that are kind of like these weird Stan. You don't go inside anything It's just like a urinal outside that you kind of go through a little twisty bit So you turn right twice and then you're kind of in there, right?

33:51 Actually, these were no. Oh really? They would just walk up to them? It's like a fourth thing in a circle. Oh yeah, I've seen these. It's like a pyramid. Right, and they bring them out for these parties. I mean, they're not in the street all the time. And instead of having these little booths like we have in the United States, which stink to high heaven anyway, and it's mostly for Pete. yes obviously not for me to take a dump but anyway it's like and you just kind of put yourself into this little nook and you take a leak and you want you zip up and walk away and right out and it's out in public it's like a urinal kind of and nobody seems to mind and it makes total sense well you don't want to peeing on the street no that's exactly or peeing in the canal which is even nastier again it's it's this American messed up thing about

34:41 Just anything. And meanwhile the best porn is made in America. I just don't get it. Well I've always felt that a lot of it has to do with the fact that the Americans really are just nasty people. And the Europeans aren't. They don't get all worked up about a bare breast. I was looking at some Italian online publication and you know, the whole, it's a newspaper and they got front page ads of women, topless women, you know, showing off their underwear because they were selling something at a store. And you would never see anything like that in the United States because guys would go crazy. I'm looking for this story that was emailed, I think it was emailed to me, about President Obama. I think he showed up in Montana.

CHAPTER 12 / 22 Discussion

Barack Obama, Montana Town Hall, and Lobster Shipment

Reports from a town hall meeting in Montana claim that tons of cargo, including expensive lobster, were shipped in for President Obama's visit during a recession. The hosts discuss the remote location of the event and the presence of SEIU union members who allegedly disrupted protesters. The segment questions the optics of such expenses during an economic downturn.

barack obama· montana· lobster· seiu· town hall· health care reform

35:26 He's always showing up somewhere. Yeah, maybe it wasn't on email. I've got to look for it. But it was a beautiful description about how they actually, because it was just one of the the health care rallies that he did and You know how busloads of SEIU folks came in, they had people protesting in a roped off area on the airfield with a news media. The news media didn't even know they were there. That's how far away they were from the action. But the best part, and this is why I'm looking for it, Montana of course known for its beef I guess, John.

36:05 pretty good for the local economy if you have all these dignitaries flying in and of course it's not just the president, it's his whole plane full of peeps. But they actually shipped in lobster. uh... specifically for uh... for the president and his posse into montana for any kidding the unknown as far as i wanted to find it but maybe it wasn't uh... was somewhere else a lot of people posting excellent stuff on the front lawns the more not thank you a lot of people posted stuff on the drop-down i'd like it drop dot i don't know if you have filed a death and yes

36:44 Drop dot IO slash daily source code people still posting John's stop it. Don't make me turn it off. Don't overuse your privilege By the way, that's a link to the urinals in the in Holland that I know exactly what they look like I have peed there myself I've been known to use one of those urinals Hmm. I can usually hold it really? Yeah, really? Oh, that's good information for when you're flying with me. I So you have the coke bottle in the thing. Really? You can fit it into a coke bottle? No, but I have a good shot. Hey, that's interesting. Someone got a naked picture of Nicky and they put it here on the on the drop. I don't understand how they got that. So anyway, since we're on the, let's see, where are we? Since we're on the topic here, since you were talking about the, you know, the protests, it's funny that they would bring in lobster.

CHAPTER 13 / 22 Discussion

Blue Dog Democrats, Town Hall Frustration, and Unemployment

A clip from a Mississippi town hall features a woman expressing frustration with government corruption and the lack of accountability in the SEC. Representative Gene Taylor, a Blue Dog Democrat, receives a standing ovation for stating he will vote against the health care plan. The hosts argue that the public anger at these meetings is driven more by high unemployment than by the health care bill itself.

blue dog democrats· health care bill· unemployment· town hall meetings· mississippi· c-span

37:51 You know what, Obama's gonna get fat in that job. And he's playing golf too. This is wrong. Whatever happened to basketball? That was the one thing that was kind of cool about him. He played basketball, he had his hoop set up in the White House or somewhere, I think. And now he's playing golf everywhere. There's something wrong with that. It's a bad image. So, here's a clip that I have from one of the meetings, town hall meetings where everybody's all worked up. And this woman comes on and she, this is a, this is Jean Taylor in Louisiana,

38:28 Mississippi, I guess. Anyway, this woman comes on and she actually, I think, expresses the frustration that the people have with not just the health care bill, but with the government in general. She has actually a nice little speech at the beginning. And then this guy who is a blue dog Democrat, I don't know when that term first came up, but it's like really popular, you know, if you're voting. Who exactly are the blue dog Democrats? The other ones are voting no on health care. They're essentially moderate Democrats who are leaning toward Republicans. And what does it mean, blue dog? I don't know, but we're from the blue state and they're a dog. I have no idea. Thanks. All right, is this a Don Hewitt?

39:07 No, no, Don, he was last. This is voting no. But what I want to point out is that when this guy who's the blue dog Democrat says he's going to vote no on health care, they give him, and I only have part of it, they give him a five or six minute standing ovation. Wow. Let's listen. He's cared about Mississippi and he listens about Mississippi. There's a lot of congressmen up there that are shutting their doors. They're shutting their doors, they're not listening to us. They're calling us mobs. We're not mobs in Mississippi. We're not mobs in Mississippi. But my question, this is my question, as a staff auditor, I haven't seen the federal government make one attempt to clean up one mess.

39:57 Not one minute. I haven't seen them clean up the SEC. Enron should not have happened. People should not have lost their retirement. We have enough regulations to stop that. But it's not happening. There's too much corruption. There's too much going on that's not being checked. Do you want me to answer that? No. If you can't If you can't clean up a little job, how can you take away all of our health care that we pay for? Did someone say, do you know who this is? Was that like a news commentator or something? No, no, this is just some woman in the... I don't know what that was. Okay.

40:48 No, thank you very much. We'll start in reverse order Number one I would hope by now that everyone in this room is aware that I am NOT gonna vote for the health care plan You know what I think that there's a lot of things going on here, but it really has little to do with health care anymore. I think it's just people are just like tired. What happened to the save or create all these millions of jobs with the shovel ready projects? Everyone's literally out of a job. Every single state where when you read in the news where it's like the state unemployment figures, they're never

41:38 Around the 9.4% that it's supposed to be. It's always double digits. It's always 13%, 15%, 18%. At least one of the stories about a state in the news has to be 5% otherwise you can never average the 9.4. So clearly people are really hurting. They're out of jobs and it's just... You know, this is... So they show up at these meetings. Yes! What's funny is that people say, well, we need more participatory democracy. Well, this is what you get from Americans who have time to go to these meetings. And it's middle class and old people. Hey, John, you fit both. Uh-huh. Hey, have you been to a meeting? I don't have to. I just watch them on C-SPAN. Yeah. Oh, I miss C-SPAN a lot. I really did miss it.

CHAPTER 14 / 22 Discussion

Don Hewitt, 60 Minutes, and James Carville Anecdote

Following the death of 60 Minutes creator Don Hewitt, a 2001 C-SPAN interview is revisited. Hewitt recounts an anecdote from a 1992 interview with Bill and Hillary Clinton regarding Gennifer Flowers. He describes political consultant James Carville sobbing in the control room out of devotion to the Clintons, leading Hewitt to attempt to have him removed.

don hewitt· 60 minutes· james carville· bill clinton· hillary clinton· c-span

42:29 So I have one more clip and this is from C-SPAN. It's actually kind of interesting. It's a little long. It's not real long, but you have to listen to the whole thing because it's actually a fascinating anecdote. This was Don Hewitt who died this week and or this within the last week or so. And he was the one who created 60 Minutes. and there was a one-hour interview with him done on C-SPAN in the year 2001 that was actually quite fascinating. It'll be a lot better if you can find that for people out there who care. Then tonight's 60-minute show, which will be a one-hour tribute to Don Hewitt, which will probably have... Was he a producer? Was he a journalist? What exactly was he? He was a producer and he was an

43:13 basically as a producer. He had some journalism chops, but he was a producer. He's the one who produced early Ed Murrow and all kinds of stuff. so he's like a but he's the one who created sixty minutes he named it he came up with the ticking clock he did all that stuff and he kept me up with the show until just maybe just a few years ago doing and i'm sorry but this is he was being interviewed and he was being asked about various people and he'd respond with what he thought of him the experiences he's had with him so he the question on this one is is it was wrapping up uh...

43:49 uh... carvel uh... what's his first name uh... james yet james carville he does about james carville and and if you look at the queue it gives this story that i actually i should have heard i've heard of or something i didn't hear anything about this before but this is that he produced the show where clinton came out and said that jennifer flowers thing was a was bowl and then became president shortly thereafter anything this issue it's uh... remembrance of the event. Okay, here we go. An obscure governor named Bill Clinton from Arkansas and his wife Hillary who nobody never heard of at the Ritz Hotel in Boston because he wants time to explain Jennifer Flowers. He came there to set the record straight and he set the record crooked. And we were in that room about an hour and I knew he was lying and she knew he was lying and Steve Kruff knew they were lying

44:48 And in the middle of it, this carvel, this funny looking duck arrives and he plunks himself down in the control room like a groupie following a couple of rock stars. And he starts denattering to himself and actually sobbing. Oh, I love them. I love those people. I love them so much. I love them. And I said, well, somebody shut this guy up or get him the hell out of here. But I tried to get a cop to throw him out. I think he reported me to Hillary. I think I've been on report ever since. I am persona non grata with Hillary Clinton. Isn't that interesting? The guy comes in and he's bawling like a baby. Oh my gosh. Hey, I found an excerpt from that email.

CHAPTER 15 / 22 Discussion

ACORN, SEIU, and Automated Government Enrollment

The discussion returns to the influence of the SEIU and its close ties to ACORN. The hosts mention a proposal by a union leader to use computers to automatically enroll citizens in every available government program regardless of their consent. They suggest this is a strategy to "break the bank" and increase government dependency.

acorn· seiu· barack obama· government spending· unions· automation

45:41 Which is kind of good. But now you probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things the major news has not covered. On about Tuesday, Joe, that's this woman's husband who works at the airport. He's a transport pilot, I believe. Joe found out they would be holding a town hall at the airport. Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade, this tiny town in a very remote location. Nothing around there, but they chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location and you could not get to it easily, totally secluded from the public.

46:20 During the week, cargo by the tons was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming in. Though it was our president coming, several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a local printing shop per White House request. So there's 900 tickets missing. The same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that thousands of dollars of lobster were shipped in for Obama. and of course Montana has some of the best beef in the nation, would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending in health care had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off and that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU union members drove up onto the area illegally, unloaded right there, quite a commotion.

47:14 and specifically two SEIU men trying to make trouble, start a fight. Police did get involved, arrested the one man, but they said they didn't have the manpower to remove the entire SEIU crowd. So I guess what the right-wing insurance-backed groups are being accused of is actually happening on the Democratic side. Interesting, but I'm still baffled by the lobster. By why the S-E-I-U. Yeah. A union. is taking this position and whether or not just neutral on what is it got what is how the health care bill have to do with them well the only thing i can i can think of is that they will first of all obama is owned by the unions i remember quite specifically we even talked about it that he you know it is a particularly the auto unions uh... the auto workers union which of course he had he bailed out uh... gm

48:15 and hopefully save some jobs there somehow, but they donated so much money to him that he has to do whatever they want and the SEIU appears to be pretty much government employees and they must like their health plan and I guess the bill panders to them. Well, I don't see that it's improving their lot in life. I mean, they already did the government workers that are in the SEIU generally have a really good health plan already. So what is it? What? I mean, so I mean, I can see where they could.

48:53 I just don't see what's in it for them to be one way or the other. It would seem to me that if I'm an SEIU person and there's healthcare, I think I'd say that's great, I think Obama should go knock himself out and do this the way he's going, but I don't see why I'm getting involved. They're mind-controlled drones. I have no idea. The whole thing is baffling to me, but I do know one thing. There's a very tight connection between ACORN and the SEIU that needs exploring. I have some clips. I don't have them with me today, but the guy who is the top, one of these guys, he's both with SEIU, he's one of the top guys there, and he's with ACORN. And he's, I've got to get this clip, he had this weirdest thing to say.

49:36 He says if people have a bunch of, there's a bunch of things that they can get from the government for free and they, you know, and they sign up for them and they get them. He doesn't see any reason why a computer can't go and sign up everybody for everything automatically whether the person wanted it or not. thinking that was a really good way to break the bank I guess. I mean, this whole thing is completely baffling to me. And it looks like Obama, if he's flying in lobster, because he can't go five minutes without some butter, dipping the lobster into butter. We need some lobster. It seems to me that this is like a very, you know, needless expense that's just an example of something's wrong. Something's wrong. Well there is, you know, and there was a... before I left on vacation, and it's something that I actually wanted to bring up several times I think throughout the past year, you know, all of a sudden I just started receiving emails from the president

CHAPTER 16 / 22 Discussion

White House Email Lists and CAN-SPAM Act

The hosts discuss receiving unsolicited emails from the White House and David Axelrod, questioning if the government is in violation of the CAN-SPAM Act. They note that the White House uses a private company for mass mailings. The segment also touches on the political pressure for the Obama administration to pass the health care bill despite having a significant majority.

can-spam act· white house· david axelrod· email marketing· barack obama· spam

50:34 And I certainly never signed up for anything and I kind of thought that, remember when we were trying to seduce the Obama bot woman in my building? Remember that? Oh yeah. And the only reason you say, you might as well explain why we, because I wasn't trying to do, I was writing some of your material. Because she was going, she kept, I kept bumping into her in the hallway and she kept talking about Camp Obama and we wanted to find out what Camp Obama was all about and so you know I was going to invite her over for drinks and she wound up basically plopping a couple of bumper stickers down in front of my door. I think someone might have tipped her off because we were talking about it on the show

51:14 So I thought maybe she had signed me up and I thought, you know, that's not possible because you're supposed to get a verification email so that exactly that can't happen, that you just start getting email from some email list. And if you sign up at the White House, I believe at whitehouse.gov, you do have to send a verification email. I'm not 100% sure. But it's been overused or something happened and I start receiving emails from David Axelrod. By the way, that viral email, remember we read that? We had eight points and send it to all your friends. No one sent it to me. I only got it once from him, so virality zero. But now also Barack Obama's Twitter feed is active again and it's all these crazy links and all this stuff about health care reform.

52:03 I mean, has it just become a political issue for them that they just can't lose regardless of what it is? They just can't lose face on this? Or is it? Well, yeah, I think there's that element. Well, the element of embarrassment, by the way, it seems there's some people claiming that the government itself is in violation of the Cannes Spam Act and some other anti-spam legislation. Totally. I think what they, the problem that they have is, I just got a note here saying the White House is using a private company for these mass emailings.

52:40 uh... near fox is going after him called the gulf delivery anyway so um... the uh... they have the majority of the huge majority like seventy votes in the house and they've got like a sixty-minute forty majority in the senate they should be able to get it because anything they want they can pass anything they want they were voted in is a like a big mandate here democrats not yourselves out and if you can't If you own the place, if you're the boss of the nightclub and you basically the bounces work for you and you want to start throwing people out, you just do it. You don't have to argue with them. It would be a huge disaster if he can't pass this bill because it's like Democrat president, Democrat house, filibuster proof senate. This is everything you want. This is a dream come true for anybody. And now it's like falling apart. What is wrong with this picture? There's something amiss. I'd like to take you down the rabbit hole for a minute, John.

CHAPTER 19 / 22 Discussion

Podcast Production, Don Hewitt Tribute, and C-SPAN

The hosts reflect on the quality of their current episode, specifically the value of the Don Hewitt clip from C-SPAN. They discuss the upcoming 60 Minutes tribute to Hewitt and compare their own independent analysis to mainstream media coverage.

podcasting· don hewitt· c-span· brian lamb· 60 minutes· media analysis

1:01:23 I'd rather it was like humanoids who were just on space. You humanoids are doomed. Who are stationed out in space. Yeah, you laugh at me. You laugh. How do I transition from that into the begging for money segment? I don't know. I don't think this show is worth much. Today's episode... Hey, you got that you're Don Hughitt talking about James Carville dying like a baby. That's true. I mean, that's worth something. That's absolutely worth something. I mean now when you see him on TV, you go, this guy's a psycho. Well, let's put it this way. So even though it's a regular Sunday broadcast, I rushed back from the airport. Such is the dedication to this program. Totally flying blind, setting it up, John's got clips. You did get the Hewitt clip. I mean, let's be honest.

1:02:19 Yeah, it's a good clip. It's gonna be better than anything you're gonna see on the 60-minute show later today. Where did that clip come from? Where'd you find that? It came from C-Span, an interview done by that guy who runs C-Span, the pumpkin-headed guy, in 2001. I'm not familiar with a pumpkin-headed guy. He's the main guy. He's the soft-spoken guy who does most of the interviews. I have a pumpkin shaped head. C-SPAN not really known for its on-air celebrities. This is true. I'm not really too sure. Okay, well you've seen him. I can't remember his name. Anyway, we're going to do a lot of work this week. We have a lot of things to follow up on. I will definitely delve into the Naval Space Command.

CHAPTER 20 / 22 Discussion

Donor Acknowledgments, Ringtone Premiums, and Tea Party Coins

The hosts read a list of donors from various locations including the UK, California, and Germany. They introduce a new premium where donors of $50 or more can receive custom ringtones recorded by the hosts. They also mention receiving "Tea Party" dollar coins from a listener.

donations· ringtones· tea party· laguna woods· finland· germany

1:03:08 and I will, and please go to the show notes at noagendershow.com because I will, this above top secret article is really just outstandingly well researched. Alright, well let's do some call outs to some people including Jeff Solomon who gave us $100 and will be listed in the show notes because he wrote a short story about EMP and you're going to put a link up for him I guess. You know, we're obliging. And he's in Jackson Heights, New York. Trevor, I guess it's Foucher or Fouher, I don't know if I left a C out or not. I got F-O-U-H-E-R, but it could be F-O-U-C-H-E-R from Seattle, 50. Phil Connor in Windsor, UK gave us $80.40. What do you think that is? 80-40.

1:03:59 I don't know. I think it's their respective ages. Brian Kaufman, 200 bucks from Tempe, Arizona. Thanks, Brian. John Stevens, $100. And he lives in Laguna Woods. Now, California had this place called Laguna Beach, which was like this very high-end ritzy area. And then they kind of expanded and then there became this Laguna Hills, which is more ritzy. Now, I guess they've gotten even bigger. Now, there's Laguna Woods. Geez expansion. Yeah, Josh Feldman Quincy, Massachusetts John Kelly Charlotte, North Carolina Sean Rice Calgary All forgave us 50 and then there's a good one. Here's one dude Can you I think this is a woman could be a man, but I doubt it But so sounds like a woman, but you have to imagine she's or he's in Gainesville, Georgia How do you name your kid desert burn?

1:04:54 Cool. Well, depends on what you're, you know, if your dad is part of the Naval Space Command, then it kind of fits, doesn't it? Desert Burn, I just think it's a great name. It beats Johnny Green. Well, it's like Dweezil Zappa and Moon Unit. Yeah, Desert Burn. Karl Patterson, Mack, Macklesfeld, Cheshire, UK, MCC, LES, Field, I don't know how to pronounce it. 50. Now here's one that you have to, you're gonna have, the guy says you know how to pronounce it, he showed me how to pronounce it. He's in Forst, Belgium. Spell it. He's a Dutch I think and the first name is Bas, B-A-S. Bas. And the second name is spelled B-R-U-I-N-K-X. B-R-U-I-N-K-X? Bruininks? Bruininks. Bas Bruininks. He had a brown ink. Bruininks. Yeah, exactly. Whatever.

1:05:58 Randy Pierre, Ricky Pierce, I'm sorry, Sidney Ostrow. I think people just send us money just to get a ringtone out of this, you know, with a crazy name. It's like, hey man, go get a ringtone out of it, Adam and John will mention my name. Hey, Brownings, hey, Boss Brownings. Ricky Pierce, wake up, your phone is ringing, Ricky. Boss Brownings, you got a phone call. He's Sidney, Sidney Ostrow. John Pellett. Petrucci, Hudson, New York. Larry L-A-R-I Corpy. After every name you mention I'll do you've got a phone call. Okay let's go we'll start with John Petrucci. Sorry about the people earlier. You have to get it again. We're starting with John Petrucci. You've got a phone call. Larry Corpy. It's your mother calling.

1:06:48 Now she's in or he is in Helsinki cool. Is L.A.R.I. a female or male name in Finland? We don't know. I don't know. I hear all the all the paper plants are closing down in Finland. For what? Well, because they're out of business. Like no one wants paper anymore. Oh yeah, this is going on all over the world. But you know how many people work in paper in Finland? It's like a fifth of the economy works in paper. No, paper mills are not healthy. Joseph Maraca. You have a phone call, Joseph. In Sarasota, Florida. David Thaler gave us $105.88. And here's a text message for you.

1:07:28 He's in another funny town, Shrub Oak, New York. I'm glad you are amused by that. I don't know why. Uwe Mayer, U-W-E, Uwe Mayer, hit it. Phone call. Who's in Wiesbaden, Germany, $55.55, do you know what that might be? 55 and 55? Yeah. Can't drive 55. You know that in Germany the stimulus... In Germany the stimulus existed, I just was reading this the other day, companies that didn't fire employees are now being subsidized by the government? That seems like a really bad idea. Is that like a time bomb? Like, you know, how long can it last? Yeah, we'll see, won't we? And Vivian Hingsberg, $50,

1:08:25 Burlington, Ontario. Now there's another woman that sent us a check for 60 and I left her name in the car. But she said we shamed her into contributing which I think was good. And now we didn't even mention her name which is... And I go, okay, we'll mention her name on Thursday. She'll get a special call out and then also Jake Sent us a couple of tea party dollar coins. Oh cool. They sent two so we each have one Who mints these dollar coins I have no idea you got to go look it up on the site one save one for when I get get back No, we but we have there's two of them. You got one I got one and we can put in our pocket and use it in an emergency Yes, if you could break through the plastic case, it's so anyway, I want to remind people that

CHAPTER 21 / 22 Discussion

Project Serpo, Alien Exchange, and Linda Moulton Howe

A listener in the chat room provides information on "Project Serpo," an alleged top-secret exchange program between the US government and an alien planet. The story involves Sergeant Richard C. Doty and journalist Linda Moulton Howe. The hosts link this conspiracy to the previously discussed "non-terrestrial" officer list.

project serpo· aliens· richard doty· linda moulton howe· serpo· ufo

1:09:10 The if you want a ringtone from now on if you give us $50 or more you get $30 or more hundred beat will give you a real special ringtone for a hundred will do ringtones for each person This is a great premium. Finally something we can actually execute upon, John, because we're doing the show anyway. I love it. This is good. And we'll take requests. If you have a special ringtone request... Yes, we'll even read it for you. You can put a little note somewhere or you can send us an email, but you can actually put it in the contribution file. Try a name on me. Do we have another donation?

1:09:49 We went that's it that's all we got. We do one of the earlier ones. Okay, let's do well let's do the big one of the big ones. Here's a hundred dollars John Stevens. Hey Johnny answer the phone you douche. That's a good one. That's a cool ringtone. Here's a $200 one that you have to get. Brian Kaufman. Your... no. Try it again. Yeah nice going. I'm sorry you sprung that on me. Try it again. Brian what? Brian Kaufman the naval command is calling you Brian. Do you see so in other words? What you've just proven is that they're gonna have to write the ringtone they want that's a much better idea crap from us project Serpo John

1:10:33 S-E-R-P-O. Well, before you say that, don't forget, Dvorak.org slash N-A, noagendashow.com, please help us out, we need all the help we can get. Yes, we do. Project Serpo, coming from the chat room, is the name given to what is said to have been a top secret exchange between the United States government and an alien planet named Serpo. Now this is apparently where this list of non-terrestrial personnel comes from. Details of the exchange and what it was supposed to entail have appeared in several UFO conspiracy stories over the last 30 years, including one incident in 1983 in which a man identifying himself as a US Air Force Sergeant Richard C. Doty, D-O-T-Y,

1:11:16 contacted investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe claiming to be able to supply her Air Force records of the exchange for her HBO documentary The E.T. Factors. An interesting article and it's on Wikipedia so you know it's true and I will link to that in the show notes at noagendashow.com. So there's lots of quote evidence out there. That goes beyond Roswell. And when you, again, when you see all these press releases that literally from the government talking about the US Naval Space Command, what the hell? Have you ever heard of the US Naval Space Command? No. But they exist and they also have something to do with that Arctic Sea. Do we know that they exist? Can we find a government dot gov site? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's in this article. Totally exists. I don't know what to make of it.

CHAPTER 22 / 22 Discussion

Economic Outlook, Central Bankers, and Show Close

The show concludes with a look at the upcoming meeting of central bankers in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Speculation regarding Ben Bernanke's successor at the Federal Reserve includes Larry Summers. The hosts announce an upcoming "No Agenda" dinner in October and sign off from Amsterdam and Silicon Valley.

ben bernanke· larry summers· federal reserve· jackson hole· global economy· no agenda dinner

1:12:09 It sounds nutty. Well, I'm just saying so what else I think that's it. There's not much else that's going on We have the NFL preseason which is going to be a whole season besides the fact watching football anymore Besides the fact that the economy is going to come crashing down in October the global economy. It's going to fall apart completely No, there's not much going on. We've got all the central bankers in Jackson Hole, Wyoming By the way, Ben Bernanke of course, his term is up as chairman or president of the Fed, the Federal Reserve. They're now talking about Larry Summers becoming the... What? That's the guy who sleeps all the time in meetings. Larry Summers may become... That might be a plus. Larry Summers and there was another name...

1:13:02 I think some... oh the current president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve. Some woman who just got the gig I believe. Nancy Pelosi. So things are moving. I say that you should hit the button. Yeah, I got it. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Sorry, I'm just a little jet lagged. Yeah, I would think yeah, all right so Thursday. We will do it all again and I'll I'll have some details about the US Naval Space Command Sounds like a winner. Yeah, I hear you you're jazzed about it for sure and why I'm interested in then you know want people to go to no agenda show calm and no agenda that media calm or no div orc na and contribute and

1:14:02 For this week's broadcast. I we appreciate it and remember you can still go out to New York City Venice Beach, California Chicago, Illinois, Miami Beach, Florida Columbus, Ohio Portland, Oregon and Maui Hawaii and Celebrates go topless day go topless org brings you all the information And I will put up the mailing list link for the no agenda dinner which we are looking at the October Thanksgiving, original Thanksgiving date. October 3rd, right? Is what we're going to do? Yeah, I think that's what it is. Coming to you from the 17th Century Canal House Crackpot Command Center in Amsterdam, Gitmo Nation East, I'm Adam Curry.

1:14:39 and from uh... northern silicon valley fog central so it seems i'm john c divorak thursday is the dates will be back here again with another episode of no agenda