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00:01 I love that line. Put to death. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, August 9th, 2009. Time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication, episode number 120. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell which houses the crackpot command center in Gitmo Nation West, still under threat of eminent domain demolition. In San Francisco, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! The hell is that? I don't know, you were falling all over yourself and so I figured we better finish it up. There was plenty of time, I wasn't falling all over myself, I just had a little pregnant pause there. I know, I thought there was... I missed the beat in there because I thought there was that you said that and then there would be some beat but there was nothing. It was just there. I said, and I'm Adam Curry and then that's when you're supposed to come in with coming from wherever the Buzzkill bunker is. You want to do it again? Not necessarily. Alright.

01:06 Hey John, how are you? Good. It's going to be hot today. It looks beautiful today. Well, where you are it's going to be really hot. In the city it'll be just nice and there'll be a nice breeze and a nice sun. I don't know. It's hard to say. I think the city's going to be pretty much the same. It was beautiful yesterday. Oh, it was good here but it wasn't great. You know, I got a call on Friday from... Did you ever hook up with Taxi Eric in Amsterdam when you were there? Yeah, he took me to the airport. Right. Now, does this seem like a pretty stable guy, reasonable, down-to-earth guy? Yeah, yeah. He probably multitasks a little too much. What does that supposed to mean? Well, I mean, he's on the phone, he's on the radio, he's doing 20 things at once. In fact, he almost ran us into a lorry.

01:57 So he calls me on Friday, he says, hey dude, you know, like my daughter's coming back from Spain. We have to leave on Sunday, but you know, she has the swine flu, which of course is called Mexican flu, and I'm really worried. I don't think I should go on vacation. I can't leave her alone. She's like 19 years old. He was really freaking out because they've got this whole thing going now in Gitmo Nation East over there where they have a couple celebrities who have been quarantined for four days. Quarantined. and uh... and even though he you know i've talked to him about this many times he was still really freaked out he actually called me to say oh man i want what should i do with you know what's gonna happen and everyone is now seeing the media in holland or you know the spain is the hotbed every all the kids are there hanging out together there on vacation they're all going to come back and they're going to die

02:51 I really had to talk him down, it took me like half an hour. I had to talk him down. I did. He was flipping out. I was like, wow man. And he's a pretty stable guy. Well, it doesn't take much to get the public riled up. I mean, the Germans learned that from World War I. Really? What did they do in World War I? How did they rile up the public? Town speakers? The Nazis, specifically Goebbels. That was World War II, John. You're not letting me finish. I'm sorry.

03:30 The Nazis, specifically Goebbels, looked over at the propaganda that was developed during World War I by the Americans mainly because we had, you know, essentially we're the ones who invented public relations for all practical purposes and we've developed a lot of these techniques. And so during World War I we had put out, in fact you can look these up, I think many of them are in the Library of Congress and elsewhere in their public domain. And there's these posters showing the Germans as giant gorillas raping women and just all this really nasty stuff to get the public all riled up so we would buy into actually going to this idiotic World War I which, you know, cost us a bunch of people and... A bunch. Just a bunch of people.

04:16 questionable love to do it you know there it was just a mess is one of the worst you know wars in terms of bloodbath it was truly the great war right that's what they called it yeah and so the so gerbil says you know this is you know this is that easy he essentially made an art of doing kind of doing the same thing in germany uh... based on world war one and how the germans were portrayed in the whole thing and uh... they essentially created propaganda machine and it turns out... It worked pretty well for a while. It works really well all the time. Of course you need a lot of stupid people in order for that to work, which of course is exactly the same group of people who you can then turn into a revolution to fight that. You can. We're trying. Well, it's hard not to take a shot of adjuvant.

05:12 Before I forget a quick catch-up William Tildesley one of our listener producers out there remember we were talking about law and order and how they were all over the Was it the measles vaccination and? That whole episode that we discussed last time? Yeah, the measles episode. And we were trying to figure out what are the ties, and I think I asserted that an expensive drama series like this, it's not unthinkable that money is flowing in from somewhere to get these absolutely propaganda scripts onto the air. Right, I think when you really extrapolated your idea, I think what you were implying was that the drug companies, which right now are I think doing, must be doing half the advertising on television for these ridiculous screwball restless legs syndrome and other drugs would possibly be... Grow longer eyelashes. Yeah, that's another one. Who would take a drug for that? I mean, it just doesn't sound right. Brooke Shields apparently.

06:13 If Brooke does it, everybody can do it. But yeah, particularly the news networks, just pay attention. Don't tune out when the commercials come on. Tune in at that moment and write it down even and you'll see that I think it's even more, John. Maybe a higher percentage of advertising on the news networks is from pharmaceutical products. Yeah, during the news hour, of course one of the things you run into on television is targeted advertising. So they try to figure out who's watching the news and you can kind of watch the ads and figure out what demographic is primary to that show based on the ads, right? So if it's all about, if every ad's about constipation... It's all about Viagra. Or Viagra, you know it's like you're an older demo. And you should turn off your TV quickly.

07:00 Anyway, to get back to the story, Dick Wolf produces Law & Order and as I said our producer William Tildesley sent in, it's actually from Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt you must. in addition to have to having been a classmate of former president george w bush wolf was the employer of fred thompson who sought the republican nomination for president in two thousand eight with the help of the national attention he gained playing the district attorney on law and order that connection we could have made the uh... the fred thompson connection uh... will support a thompson's bid as he did bushes And it's been reported that he contributed money to Thompson even before he officially announced that he was running. So there's probably a quid pro quo in there or something, but... Well, I don't know if Thompson's got anything to do with the drug companies.

07:46 Don't these guys all have something to do with the drug companies? Doesn't every single politician take some money from a pharmaceutical company somewhere? Well, yeah, and they all take money from health care companies too. But the, I don't know, I just think that that measles show was some rigged, it was something screwy about it. There was too much, way too much propaganda in there. Have you been following the deal that the White House apparently has made with the pharmaceutical industry, John? No. This is the... and the reporting is lackluster at best because of course we don't actually know what was discussed in the Roosevelt room where Rahm Emanuel, of course, and I presume the president, have had their conversations with FIRMA, which is this organization of the pharmaceutical industry, PHRMA. They've dropped the A for extra asshole convenience.

08:40 Here's the deal as I understand it, the pharmaceutical industry has agreed to reduce the cost of healthcare, so drugs, actually they're doing a drug deal, by $80 billion over 10 years, which is okay, I'm not quite sure what the total pharmaceutical industry take is per year, but that's 8 billion a year, not insignificant. But what I understand on the, so first of all, they're saying the president promises 80 billion and you're hearing Pelosi and other Democrats saying, well, you know, we'll see if it remains 80, blah, blah, blah. So there's a little bit of friction there. But the deal then seems to be that on the Medicare side, there would be no caps on pricing of medication that the pharma industry could charge for Medicare.

09:30 What? Yes. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, this is from the president who of course lambasted drug companies during his campaign and now he's just sitting down and doing... It's a drug deal. It is literally a drug deal. I'm sure that's not going to help these... I mean, the people that are moaning and groaning the most are Medicare, Medicaid people at these town hall meetings which have been turned into a fiasco. Yes, it is a fiasco. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm sure everyone has seen this because this is the entire newscast is all about the astroturf and right-wing groups and pharmaceutical shills who are standing up and making a big mess of these town hall meetings.

10:27 But isn't that exactly what democracy is supposed to be? Where you organize and you organize your opinions, your thoughts, and your side, both left, right, center, whatever. And we express them, yeah. Don't we have the SEIU, the unions, very well organized I might add, with nice looking signs and and great websites and they've got all kinds of stuff going. Yeah, the SEIU, one of the main SEIU guys is also one of the main ACORN guys by the way. Well, so what exactly is the SEIU? Service Employees International Union. Okay, but who's in it? Who's a service employee? It's the same people that would be, I happen to be,

11:13 uh... is that after as well as that uh... no not after nine i'd be the same as a person he what asked me uh... american federation of service count is state and county municipal employees same the government's estate city government you don't they already have great health care government employees now uh... some do yeah some don't uh... well actually that you mentioned it as most as the idea people would probably Yeah, they would it seems to me but most of them are government employees or am I misunderstanding that who is a member of a union that belongs to the service employee? What is a service employee? Is it a waiter? Well, let's take a look at their website and see who they cater to. I've been looking at the SEIU and by the way, we missed a fantastic opportunity

12:06 The title of the webpage which I will post in the show notes at noagenda.mevo.com is SEIU Mythbusters Call with HHS Secretary Sebelius and this was a conference call which we could have attended. I've looked for audio, I can't find anything online. Of course people jumped in and have written about it saying that Sebelius who is of course the Health Secretary and Bill DeBurger I saw her the other day by the way giving a talk on C-SPAN and by the way people out there we watch C-SPAN for you. Yes. And I thought she was kind of creepy. No, she's extremely creepy. Did you see her on the...

12:49 I'll get to that later. But anyway, so in this call, and I've only seen transcripts of it, she called her brothers and sisters to arms, more or less, saying we've got to go bust these myths. And the SEIU website, seiu.org, they're praising the flag at whitehouse.gov blog post. So it's kind of you know, kind of goes against my grain personally. But I'd just like to know exactly who the service employees are and what they do. I'm trying to see what groups are... See, the problem is there's four major unions of service employees, AFSCME, and out here there's something like CAL, something or other. What's AFSCME? What's AFSCME? Here, members. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees. So it is all government?

13:42 Well, AFSCME is for sure, but AFSCME is not as powerful as SEIU, which is actually harder to become a... When we were unionizing the air pollution district, we were actually refused. They didn't want to talk to us. We ended up joining AFSCME because there was one of them, Cal something or other, I can't remember the name of this one union. What were you doing at the time, John? I was an air pollution inspector. Oh, of course. This was during the last depression. Hey, good job by the way. Good inspections. You really cleaned that shit up. You have no idea how bad it was here before whenever. Okay. So, um... I'll let you slide. It doesn't even say who... I'm trying to figure out who... It'll be in here. I'm digging. I'm guessing it's like the post office. Oh. Well, here's a nurse alliance. There must be some nurses in SEIU then.

14:36 teachers perhaps? I guess the nurses really need the help. So anyway, the point being that... Someone in the chat room might know who's in the... I'm sure someone does. The point being that you know so there are rowdy town hall meetings going on which by the way I love you know they're not all supposed to be these orchestrated things that President Obama does with people who have you know he knows who to call on the questions are pre-screened it's eighty to ninety maybe even a hundred percent people who are who are for his agenda when he's speaking at these they're all civil and orderly and of course what a real debate about is you know it's about

15:15 getting in people's face and yelling and screaming and you know I do believe that there should you should be able to have some kind of order in any type of discussion but but I don't know if it's really discussion where you know someone stands up in front of the podium and says here's what we're going to do ask a question then maybe does or does not answer the question people get angry people get riled up and that can come from both sides but now to say that that is being organized I mean the SEIU was just as much an organizer of programs. They're more of an organizer than the... Yeah, they look very, very professional. But then you get Nancy Pelosi saying AstroTurf and I saw some of them with swastikas. Like, okay, that's a little... Here's the guy, one of our listeners is in the SEIU and he's a county employee.

16:06 Exactly why the SEIU doesn't just, I mean, why are they for this bill? Which is, I think there's a, you know, the problem with these unions, because I've gone to these meetings, they have these executive meetings where they train you, you know, so you can learn about, you know, what you're, how you're supposed to do things as a union. And a lot of it has to, it seems to be, I think the unions have been largely taken over by other interests. and because they tell you, you know, it's just almost corrupt. That's a whole show. But it seems to me that it doesn't make a lot of sense for me for the SEIU and ACORN to be in bed together on this health care thing when they already have health care unless it's to pull

16:53 The health care, you know, this is to shift the burden somehow for to benefit somebody you know what it's about John Yes, I know what it's about. I just figured it out jobs jobs jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs That's what it's about, man. Jobs. Weren't the unions huge supporters of President Obama during the election? Didn't they give him lots and lots of money? Yeah, but that's because the unions traditionally give the money to the Democrats who cater to them. Okay. How about autoworkers? Are they in the SEIU? No, no. That's the... Autoworkers union. UAW. He was a member of that too, by the way, which I think... Wait a minute. What were you doing at the time, John? Putting doors on Chevys?

17:41 I've actually been in two different locals of the UAW and... Tell me, what were you doing? What kind of job was that? I was working on an assembly line during the summer when I was a student in school. Right, putting doors on Chevys. What was your actual job? I didn't get the door job. What job did you have on the assembly line? Tell me. One of them was making these hose assemblies, sub-assemblies for a device that oiled a high temperature clutch. on an international harvester truck. Are those the ones that got recalled in 1973 because they were blowing up because of some faulty tubing? It wouldn't surprise me. And so, that's actually a story there because I was like doing this stupid thing. You have to blow out this gobba goo that's inside with this high pressure hose and it takes forever.

18:31 And so the thing flies out and a couple of them got through without being perfectly done. Without being blown out. And so I got called into the office. Like, faulty parts. Dvorak, come here for a second, I gotta talk to you, son. And what did he say? He told me that he said I had some faulty parts and I was getting chewed out. And I had to, and also my speed was too slow. I wasn't going fast enough. That's why the show lasts an hour and a half. So anyway, so it goes, so I get to shoot out for this, but he didn't fire me and I went back to work and I just kind of upped the ante a little bit. That's the year, by the way, I learned that the next time I was going to get any job whatsoever is either going to be as a receiving clerk

19:17 clerk or an inspector, which I did the next year as a matter of fact. I became a receiving clerk and that's the best job because you're not responsible for productivity. Did you have a stapler? A red one. Yeah. So anyway, let me finish the story. So I was always kind of irked by the fact that I couldn't keep up to pace because I was working as fast as I could and I was young. I should have been able to keep up but I couldn't. Two or three years later there's a big news report about a big amphetamine bust at this place. I figure, well that's the reason. You weren't taking enough dope. Awesome.

20:04 Anyway, so that's American productivity is based largely on amphetamines. Thank you. That's a sound drop if I've ever heard one. What fine automotive company was that? Well, that was International Harvester. But I've worked for International Harvester, Trailmobile and Ford. Although, the Ford experience was kind of sketchy and the fact that it showed up on my employee breakdown is that to never hire this guy again because with Ford, first I got this job at Ford and it was a graveyard shift and it was doing some, actually maintenance. But then like the next day,

20:48 By the way, this is during the summer when you were going to school, either in high school or college, and you can get these jobs nowadays. Kids can't get anything to do. Anyway, so like the next day I got a call from Shmirinoff to work on the line, it's a bottling line. and so i said headhunting you off the auto assembly line? no no i had to apply for jobs here and there and then one day i got the ford job and then the next day i got the schmarinoff job so i decided I'll take both jobs. Now that's a true American right there. So we were both full-time eight-hour jobs and it just turned out that the timing was just right enough that I could do both of them. Yeah, you could liquor up on the graveyard shift and hit the methamphetamines in the morning and you were perfect. Well I probably should have done it that way. So what happened was I took the four jobs and I'm working the grave and then I go right to the other job

21:47 and I would work that and then I'd go home and try to get some sleep. And I did this for about a month. I was making plenty of money, because it was, you know, these are real jobs with real money. So I'm walking out of the Ford plant through the gate and I had a white flash. It was unbelievable. I still remember, it was just like a flash of white. And so I'm thinking, this is not good. This doesn't seem right. Is that when they took you up and probed you rectally? So I got this white flash. So two days later, I had like a full-blown case of mononucleosis. Wow. And I couldn't do either job, but I went on disability or whatever, some full pay. Excellent. For two jobs. Full pay for two jobs.

22:34 I think I don't know if I got the full pay for the shmear enough. I don't remember that because it's the state gives you the benefits. I think you just get the one you get one big check and so I was getting the so that's why Ford wouldn't rehire me because they had it comes out of some fund. I found out yesterday you know because I'm now employed in the US by by Mevio we have unemployment insurance at the company. Did you know that? Mm-hmm and all you have to do is pay the taxes over the company pays for it But you just pay the taxes or something like that and and if you have or it's disa it's disability Short-term long-term disability and unemployment. It's like it's like some huge big deal. It's amazing You have to be I'll employers in California have to provide these things. It's but it's an insurance I mean, it's not like you know, yeah, but it's an insurance like 80% of your paycheck. Yeah. No, that's good Yeah, it is good

23:23 So anyway, I hurt myself. I have to stay home. So anyway, that's why I had this. So I. All right. So let's get back to these damn unions. So I still don't understand it. I just don't understand who they are, what they're doing, what the big deal is. They clearly must have see some benefit and they totally understand the health care bill better than I do or better than anyone else on television can do explaining it. Otherwise, they wouldn't be so passionate about defending it. So I'm just interested in this organization who Kathleen Sebelius calls her brothers and sisters and is calling them to arms to bust the myth, the myths I should say. Which of course is not really a myth because I believe that senior citizens are correct and we've discussed this and this is what

24:11 Socialized medicine is all about, indeed at a certain point someone makes a decision or there's a book or there's a regulation or there's something written down that says you are at the end of your life and we're not going to provide anything anymore except a nice way to end. And even that of course is questionable but That's what it is. Where are you going to put the resources? You can't keep prolonging people's lives forever and ever and ever when you need health care for younger people, children who have their entire productivity, productive lives ahead of them. So that's the choice that's made. It's very simple. Oh, and by the way, everyone who voted for President Obama

24:52 saying yeah we need health care you are now the fuckers who are going to have to pay for it and now it's oh not my backyard I don't want to I gotta pay for it 50% tax which of course is what it's going to be we're going to have a base rate of 50% tax so uh yeah yeah so serves you right told you so yeah well it's the way it is yeah live with it We have to, I mean I have mixed feelings about the whole thing because our health care system is not doing this. I mean if you start looking at either the mortality, morbidity rates, the children's birth mortality rates and all the rest of it, our numbers are not that good compared to any country in Europe. We don't beat one country on anything. We don't have life expectancy that's as good as anybody in Europe, especially the French.

25:43 And we don't, we're just not up to par, we suck. So what makes our healthcare system the world's greatest? It stinks. I don't think it's the healthcare system. I believe that is a different problem that we are eating crap. I would that that doesn't explain infant mortality eating crap. What are you talking about? Of course it does. Okay, you're right. If his mom's eating crap, mom's eating crap, you know what what John have we discussed baby formula on this show a couple times what kind of crap is in the baby formula from China? You know China, well okay, but the point is that we're not number one by any means. But I'm just disagreeing that it has to do with health care. I believe it has more to do with how we live and what we're... I think the world... You are what you eat, you are what you eat. That's just the end of the story. And by the way, the European Union, just this story just came in last night. I'm gonna look it up because I wasn't quite prepared for it. They have

26:44 stops all imports of soy from the United States because of traces of GMO corn in the soy. Oh God. Yeah. What's it doing in there? Well, that's a good question, but it comes in through, so they've turned a tanker around in Italy, or I'm not sure if they've turned it around, but they've stopped it from unloading. Same goes for Germany. Now, of course, this is a problem because we need this to feed our Our cattle, I guess I saved that story, I guess I didn't, I'll have to look for it again. And after August, supplies are going to start running short. Is that all you have to say? Well, now that surprises me. Well, it does kind of surprise me because... Because what? I guess not. No, you're right, I guess not.

27:45 But how does the genetically modified corn get into soy? Is that normal? No, I don't know. That needs to be explained to me. I don't get it. Somebody just sent me a Skype message saying that the Canadians also eat crap. The fact of the matter is actually the Canadians don't eat as much crap as we do. And the Canadians, by the way, kick our asses when it comes to morbidity and mortality rates and birth tests and all the rest of it. I mean, they totally kick our ass. I still don't think it has to do with health care. I'm just saying. Yeah, okay. And by the way, Joe, you have health care that we provide, John, we've discussed this. I have health care that we provide. Does it suck? No, it doesn't suck at all, but it's like, you know... Are you paying too much for it? Do you feel that it's too expensive? Well, it is... if you pay for health... if you're like an individual, it's extremely expensive.

28:43 But if you're getting it through a company, it's not that bad. But it's still not cheap. In fact, I think the company, I think a lot of reasons they wanted this, a lot of these companies, smaller ones in particular, all for this Obama idea so they get out from under this. Which means what? They have less profit or more profit? The companies will have more profit because the responsibility for health care gets shifted to the government. So at the end of the day, it's not actually the health care. It's the scam between pharmacists. Well, it's a massive scam. It's really a Ponzi scheme when you think about it. It's doctors who are on the payroll prescribing shit you may or may not need or maybe just doesn't even work. Those prices are jacked up by the pharmaceutical industry and they're insured by the insurance industry. It's a huge scam. No, there's a fact of pharmacists we used to have down the street here in Albany.

29:35 the said that he noticed and he's like 90 and he said that he's notice once the insurance scam began which was back in the fifties that's right all went downhill that's when it started yes is once the began all the sudden prices are going up and things start changing used to be when I was a kid used to be a lab doctor used to make a house call Even when I was a kid, a doctor would make a house call. And then I remembered everyone saying, your doctor makes house calls. And they were still kind of making house calls. But yeah, that doesn't really... Well, I wouldn't say that. In the Netherlands, I think you still, they've set it up pretty well over there. There are absolute caps on what can be charged for medicine and doctors aren't rich over there in their socialized system. It's been going for a long time, but they're changing that now too. They just changed it where, in fact, everyone's, it's skyrocketed because now you have to have your own private insurance and that country is so screwed. They have no idea.

30:36 They're like the beta test for all of this evil shit we get over here. Speaking of which, just to break it up, John, this has been circling around the internet. Vincent Xavier, have you ever heard of this radio dude? Yeah. Okay, what do you know about him? I made a clip of what you're going to play. Is this the Washington DC thing? We blogged this. This is the guy who says that we're gonna get bombed on... No, there's a bomb under Washington DC and it's gonna blow in October 22nd or something like that. Well, why don't I play your clip then because I've had the YouTube video here which I'll put in the show notes. I don't have... I didn't send you the clip from him. Oh really? Well, let me play it for you. Here's a little bit. And let me just say this to you tonight.

29:35 the said that he noticed and he's like 90 and he said that he's notice once the insurance scam began which was back in the fifties that's right all went downhill that's when it started yes is once the began all the sudden prices are going up and things start changing used to be when I was a kid used to be a lab doctor used to make a house call Even when I was a kid, a doctor would make a house call. And then I remembered everyone saying, your doctor makes house calls. And they were still kind of making house calls. But yeah, that doesn't really... Well, I wouldn't say that. In the Netherlands, I think you still, they've set it up pretty well over there. There are absolute caps on what can be charged for medicine and doctors aren't rich over there in their socialized system. It's been going for a long time, but they're changing that now too. They just changed it where, in fact, everyone's, it's skyrocketed because now you have to have your own private insurance and that country is so screwed. They have no idea.

30:36 They're like the beta test for all of this evil shit we get over here. Speaking of which, just to break it up, John, this has been circling around the internet. Vincent Xavier, have you ever heard of this radio dude? Yeah. Okay, what do you know about him? I made a clip of what you're going to play. Is this the Washington DC thing? We blogged this. This is the guy who says that we're gonna get bombed on... No, there's a bomb under Washington DC and it's gonna blow in October 22nd or something like that. Well, why don't I play your clip then because I've had the YouTube video here which I'll put in the show notes. I don't have... I didn't send you the clip from him. Oh really? Well, let me play it for you. Here's a little bit. And let me just say this to you tonight.

31:20 something that I know not something that I believe. Is this guy like a Christian broadcaster or something? Yeah, but he's only got two channels in his giant network. Well, he's got more than we got. Yeah, but we have more listeners. No. That says you. Tonight. No, yes we do. Go ahead. No, to my assertion. Does he have an AM network or what does he have? Yeah, he's got two AM stations someplace. Okay, but it's local, it's not big? Don't know they're here and there is in Washington DC an atomic bomb Set in that city that will be detonated. I know that And I will say it again. I love this guy in Washington DC there is underground an atomic bomb

32:15 that will be detonated in Washington DC that will level Washington DC to the ground where there will not be left one stone upon another. Now what's interesting about this, because you listen to this and later on he talks about that God gave him the date, which of course is like, whoops, okay. Yeah, right, there goes the credibility. Let me see if I can find that piece. It's right near the end somewhere. Hold on. But then how can you confirm a great strike against the heart of the United States? What chapter do I find that in the Bible? There you go. But when you think about all of these different services moving out to Colorado, there's a lot of movement going on and it's particularly moving away from the capital. You know, I think to yourself, oh, you never know. And I love the bit where somewhere in this clip he said, and I'll put it in the show notes, somewhere in the clip he says, it's not a good idea to travel around October 11th. Yeah, no shit.

33:13 Well, I bet you that even though this guy's nuts and this is probably probably this is all bogus Hey, I'll bet you a bunch of people will avoid I'll avoid it. Are you kidding me? I'm all the time so it's no big deal, but Probably a good time to get a hotel room cheap in DC. Yeah This is other thing. That's kind of bothering me. It kind of got snowed under in because of the the Twitter outage which is by itself is all it's kind of a weird story because you know it's it you read on one hand you read on like slash dot that it was coming from the UK and then you read in in more mainstream I guess slash dot is almost mainstream you read it was coming from Russia and it was you know some again some blogger who of course had a live journal which is not exactly the same as a blog

34:10 But it was not a typical denial of service attack. It's just a lot of noise and that of course is what we were witnessing last week on Sunday when we were having trouble twittering. But this computer programmer who walked into a gym and shot it up and killed three women and then himself, George Sodini, have you been following this story? Did you hear about it at all? I just read the one item and I didn't go any further than that. Okay, so here's what's kind of weird about it. George Sodini worked for K&L Gates. K&L Gates is a very famous, very powerful law firm. They've got former lawyer, well I guess you're never a former lawyer, but they've got lawyers who are, they're all over Washington. They're running the water, they're running all kinds of stuff. And this of course is part Bill Gates' dad's firm.

35:11 So, and if you know what, I don't even think there's a, I think every president has had conferences with them. This is a big ass law firm. Do you know anything about K&L Gates? Well, I think the name has been changed recently to that. Yeah, because I gave a deposition to that group a few years ago in the Lindos case. And I had to go in there and get grilled by their lawyers in their offices. in Seattle and I came away with a couple of very interesting beer coasters with the logo on there. Good, scan them and put them up because I think these guys they may actually be evil. They seem like normal lawyers to me but which means yes. Exactly. So there's a lot of tie-ins and the Sardini was a I guess a senior programmer

36:06 computer programmer for the company. He apparently had recently had a promotion and so this guy goes into a gym in Pittsburgh and kills these three innocent women, then himself. You know all the so-called evidence like his blog which of course the the mainstream media is calling it an online journal And if you look at George Sodini calm You know if this guy was a computer programmer, and this is what he called a blog then you know He should have just shot himself first This looks like such a setup of crap

36:44 And then there's these YouTube videos that are floating around and they're really creepy, but it's not your typical creepy, you know, I'm gonna go kill somebody. In fact, quite the opposite. He was a member of, and actually I distilled some of this, I was trying to figure out, you know, if you listen, let me play one of these videos, because this is rather interesting. Hold on. Want you to listen to what he said so this is the video that has been posted everywhere And then this is supposed to prove that he's a creepy guy, so it's him in front of a mirror in his basement Not a mirror. I guess he's got the camera. I'm not quite sure what the setup is but just listen what he says for a second It is easy for me to hide from my emotions for one more day take a long drive in the car listen to some music

37:31 Daydream or just do some mundane task around the house that really doesn't need to be done That's that's not too important. And there you go one more day and one more day turns into one more year now RDS says that I have approximately maybe 15 more years to be successful at this and when I heard that I Wanted to continue immediately to start moving on this. I didn't realize so that sounds creepy, right? What's he talking about? Well, so the clue here is RDS. And I was like, what is he talking about RDS? So, not hard if you do a little bit of Googling because of course there's another video where he shows his... By the way, his house is meticulous.

38:17 it's a you know he i think it was making like like two hundred grand a year this is not and you know he had just finishes basement and he's got uh... computer in the bedroom a computer in the living room cat five network to the basement he's explaining all this stuff so you're not like a not your typical guy is not living in a in a in the idaho in a in a shack no absolutely not apparently are ds i'm trying to bring up the link here which is of course not doing too well for me. Well there's radio data system there's a... No, no, no, it's the name of an author. This guy was a member of Steel, I think Balls of Steel or steelballs.com which is a how to get, how to date women type site and this these were videos he made for his group you know so there's a... the fucking link isn't coming up now.

39:12 And RDS is the author of one of these books which you actually see on his table and he's talking. The guy was trying to, you know, he was... I wish this link would come up, god damn it. Maybe she get it though, there's a clip. George Sodini, RDS. The book is How to Date Women for Men Over 35. The book is written by R. Don Steele, aka Steel Balls, aka RDS. So RDS, it sounds like this guy's taking it as a cult with rules that he had to abide by. And then I guess he, well that's interesting because that would be,

39:55 How to date women for men over 35 has got to be... It sounds like... Geez, I don't know. How do you date women for men over 35? You just say, hey, you want to go out to dinner? What does it take? So then you look at his blog. Just take a look at the so-called blog, John. And this is a senior computer programmer. I'm going to give you... So you can just click on the link in your Skype, georgesodini.com. And it's like, this is not a blog. Wow. HTML 1. 1.0. Now check it out. Click on the life or death link on that page.

40:38 We'll have a link to this on the show notes, I assume. Of course. Now, you see... Although anybody who's listening to this stream can just go to GeorgeSodini.com and there it is. Yeah, and play along. So click on the Life or Death link. Now, go into the date of death. I mean, there's no... I don't know anyone who would be this nutty. And type in 2009-0804, which was the day he killed himself, or maybe he was assisted. and then click submit and then you get this page which has a page not found then you didn't do it right did you do it in the date of death? Oh no I didn't, you're right. 200090804 which is his date of death. This guy's a coder and he doesn't accept anything he goes dead it doesn't even have an error message. Oh no it's like the Microsoft Windows error page. George Sodini age 48 date of birth 1960 date of death 8-4-2009 he gave him his own death date

41:38 5'10", 155 pounds, never married, he's 48. So this is a basic HTML 1.0 page. And this just smells like a set this is weird man. This is not anything any normal Computer for even an abnormal computer programmer wouldn't make this right now what we were looking at on this page and people should definitely do this how fuck does this and this is by the way is what the mainstream media calls a blog and a an online journal which is hidden behind his date of death and And so they apparently has an outline of all his concerns and right to the with a bunch of bullshit entries that are just bogus. And now he goes idiots. He apparently Andy Polkowski has been the

42:33 The target of his disaffection. I've been in bar rooms and church groups. The worst people by far are the religious types, especially a right wing, stiff faced fundy like Andy. Condescending, demanding, passive aggressive person, frigid, rigid, linear and totally inflexible. Being a very serious... This guy's got issues. the not Andy well well whoever wrote this makes it looks like this guy's got issues now I'm I kind of know so if you think it the whole thing was a setup yes I do and I'll tell you why I believe that because K&L Gates is huge you know you don't you don't just get in to be a senior programmer at K&L Gates if what I understand he okay here's wait a minute I'm gonna try that gouge guess you here hold on

43:18 You're going to give us a kind of a pelican brief, one of these kind of interesting things where something he knew something, found out something and so he was either hypnotized, programmed or something to get rid of him. He had to die. Yes. So this all was developed around that premise. Why in Frack John? It's a frack. I believe that he I believe that he had knowledge of the Goldman Sachs trading program. That's what I think. I think he had knowledge and I think it was actually a... I have no knowledge, this guy can't even do it. Okay. Now, according to... Looking at this, would you hire a...

43:57 A programmer who wrote that who set up a site like this come on no the guy doesn't know what he's doing. Okay. He was a senior We'd have to assume he didn't do this because he probably would do something that was reasonably cool He would have done something cool right way of that or been at least it would have been programmer like you know there's lots of Jackson and by the way if you if you view sourced as a couple of things that are commented out which is also kind of interesting to look at So yeah, he was educated at Carnegie Mellon. I mean this was a really, really smart guy, but it's not like a guy who just... It doesn't make sense that he went postal all of a sudden. Right, and he's got the thing at the end, he's got miscellaneous, he's got four statements including number four, death lives. And then at the very bottom he's got copy this to use net news groups where my voice will speak forever with two asterisks. Well, no, I guess the whole thing is asterisks, which is something nerds do sometimes.

44:51 Don't modify it. If you correct my spelling errors, I used WordPad. Unless the names are required legally, we'd be blotted out. Then find things. WordPad. So I would like to understand more because through this occurrence, I started to learn more about K&L Gates. And this is a very, very powerful, powerful company. They had a couple of layoffs, two rounds of layoffs in the past six or nine months. This guy stayed on, so he wasn't some schmuck. He was clearly doing something. These guys are not to be underestimated. And I see nowhere in the news, of course, there was so much about Twitter.

45:35 uh... when this is this happen almost at the same time didn't mean it kind of when it's not a chance if you know if you have to know it had nothing to see here yesh it's over here and i think this is the look at that pretty fast i got back and i got there on the draw that's exactly what the story is so i'm and why can someone just go you know how when when you have one of these so-called psychos who goes in and shoots up innocent women they usually go interview people like people at his job No, I've not seen any interview with anyone from the law firm. The law firm, you know, no statements anywhere. I can't find anything. I'm highly interested in what he did, what kind of job, what were his responsibilities. There's a lot more to find out about this. There really is. And it's just been pushed away.

46:22 Yeah, well everyone assumes that all the information you need is in this idiotic blog where he bitches and moans about the fact that he's not getting laid. Essentially. And this is where Google becomes completely useless. Hey buddy, there are things out there called hookers. Jeez. Doesn't the guy, the RDS guy explain that possibility? I mean seriously. Maybe he went to them and they said, no service for you! You work for K&L Gapes? No service for you! It's called hookers. This is another piece of fine advice from John C. Devorah ladies and gentlemen If you can't get laid don't go to steel balls calm There's always something called hookers Tell me I'm wrong

47:14 So I'm going to do, I've been doing a deeper dive into K&L Gates. It was a, they merged I think just recently. They bought another law firm. But it's interesting because they are Bill Gates' de facto law firm. Because I guess he owned a law firm and his dad owned a law firm. It's like there's a lot of... I don't know if Bill ever owned a law firm. He's not a lawyer. Well his dad is a partner in this. Yeah, that's the Gates. Right, but all I think a lot of the Bill Gates business, particularly the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation business runs through this law firm. Oh, I would hope. And I bet you there's some Goldman Sachs connections. Well, that's a long shot because you have no evidence of this. Well, I don't yet. All right, well if you get it, report back. But yeah, you're right, this whole story is fishy.

48:06 And it's underreported and nobody seems to care. And it's a mass murder. You'd think they'd get more coverage. Oh, well, the only coverage it's going to get is for gun control. They haven't even done that yet. No, that's coming. They'll find out that he borrowed the gun or something. So they're going to try to make it illegal to loan guns out to people. So one of the K&L Gates, I guess it was a partner, junior partner, Will Stell, Stelly, Stell? is on the oversight board of the United States sea laws which of course fits nicely into the United Nations that taking over all sea, all things sea above and below. I don't know man, they're part of the program somehow. Well, we put it on our list of things that we track. Yes, K&L Gates, definitely something to track.

49:02 Let's do some of your clips. Wait a minute, what is this shortwave thing? Oh, I picked this up on the shortwave. Play it. This is your Health and Human Services Small Step Tip of the Week. Tip number 52, avoid labor-saving devices. This is your tip from the Health and Human Services Small Step Program. So I've learned to use some of the crazy filters in Audacity. Mickey actually said, hey, you know that don't eat portions bigger than the size of your fist is actually not a bad one. I'm like, okay, honey. I'll do that one next. I'm like, honey, go get the paper, please. It's not a bad one.

49:52 Oh man. Yeah, that's one of the rules, whatever the number was, 51 or whatever it's... 52. 52, don't use labor-saving devices. What? From smallsteps.gov, another $19 million website. Have you seen grants.gov? Is that another 19 million dollar website? No, but I thought I was gonna correct is 18 million. Sorry. Yes grants.gov is a fantastic site and you know if you want to help us really help us go to this site which help us get a grant help us get a grant exactly I mean here's the the subtitle of grants.gov find apply succeed

50:35 And I'm looking through it, I'm like, I can't find anything. But this did bring me to, speaking of the $18 million website, to recovery.gov. You just need to go there for a second, John. Because of course, one of the main features of the 2.0 redesign is their mapping feature. uh... which is near the making a really big deal about uh... if you saw in the middle of the page there's a random military act click here for a max tracks spending right now go to go to the maps so you get a page with four maps and one of them says investments by state investments by recipient state recovery sites and then estimated job affect i'd like you to click on that for a moment we wait i can find any that bill here is done below yes estimated job affect so

51:25 Impact, recovery.gov provides, so this is your 18 million dollars of work, provides estimates of jobs to be created and saved in each state under the stimulus program. So then you, now if you mouse over, yeah but if you mouse over, every single state says jobs created slash saved in the next two years. So this is not even saying... This is about as much BS as you can possibly imagine. Right, now scroll down to the bottom and click on the link for read description of estimation methods. This will kill you. Of course it's going to kill my machine because it's a PDF.

52:02 I guess you need $18 million to drop a PDF file on there. So how did they estimate these jobs saved slash created, which I mean it's not even a frickin number, it doesn't make any sense. Can you give me the created number and the saved number? The state jobs estimates are inherently more speculative than the overall estimates. I need to have my shortwave radio stuff on here. They were constructed detailed estimates of state by state spending were not available. The CEA therefore allocated jobs by state in three plausible ways. Well then you missed the most important part at the top. The national effect of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 on employment was estimated using the methods described in Romer and Bernstein

52:51 And then you go down and see the job impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan, Romer, Christina and Jared Bernstein. Now if you Google that. There's actually a link there. Oh really? I didn't even see that. There's a link? Yeah, I just clicked on it and I'm off to the races. It's another PDF. Check it out. But check it out. This is done in January. This was an estimate this is this is the stuff that when the president was still present this is like campaign all this is the one with the jared bernstein his from the office of the vice president-elect yes nonexistent entity by the there's no such thing as the office of the vice president elect so that this is this is just an estimate they made before any cut any real calculations were done another putting on this website as if this is the fact is that this is what's been created slash save through this

53:49 fabulous stimulus is just all bullshit data it's totally made up it is to thank you that that's kind of my point it's made out there you were you're looking for made up it's made up and then they get a big deal about it and believe in it and if you and if you i mean i i could go on and i could go on to just annoying you just making me you working me good need to be any more than i am good So anyway, go to grants.gov and find us a grant, will ya? Because everyone seems to be getting one. In San Francisco, the Del Monte Corporation has two grants totaling about $9 million. I'm not quite sure what their grant is for. Pickles. Pineapple. Could be. But I like the Del Monte pickle. The kosher dill's a good product. Not familiar. Hey, and while I've got you on the line here, Johnny Boy. Johnny Boy. So here's something I don't get.

54:52 So the unemployment figures come out and instead of 400,000 jobs we only lost 250,000 jobs. How can the overall unemployment number go from 9.5% down to 9.4% if we still lost jobs? Yeah because a bunch of people fell off the rolls. They've been unemployed too long. So, oh, if you're unemployed too long, then you're no longer unemployed? By that number, yeah. Yeah, you're now a bum.

55:29 So we should have a bum index. How many people are now bums? But the Wall Street Journal, well of course that's a Murdoch publication now, it's like, the president comes out and says this is great, you know, we're turning the corner. Everyone has a graph going down, like that makes no sense. You still lost a quarter million jobs, yet there's less joblessness. I don't understand. Doesn't anyone see this? No, no, nobody wants to see it But the big numbers are in the past because that's when they're having the big whoppers a month after month were huge The first ones, you know, it was six hundred thousand and up. So as those guys could drop off the rolls because they can't get What roles are you talking about when they do unemployment the way it's registered? You can only be an employment for so long and once you stop collecting unemployment, you're no longer unemployed. You're a bum

56:22 So, so great country or what? So as the numbers as those huge numbers that came in early fall off the off the map, we can still be losing jobs, but the unemployment rate will go down. It's kind of like the EBITDA of Exactly, a phony number. EBITDA. EBITDA. You hear it all the time in companies that are in floundering. They're using that, the EBITDA, all the time as their justification for how well they're doing. We're doing great. We've got EBITDA. We're EBITDA profitable, which is estimated before income, tax, earnings, bullshit. Before, yeah, before everything. Before everything else. In other words, you're losing your shirt.

57:06 Oh man. So a horrible thing happened over the Hudson the other day. Helicopter and... Yeah, my wife was hoping you'd talk about it because she said, why are they having these people, you know, in the helicopters that are doing sightseeing on the same airspace as little planes? Well, they share the same airspace. Helicopters are in the exact same altitude. Yeah, yeah, that's correct. I mean, you know what? This is reasonably safe. There's two things about this. First of all, shit unfortunately just happens. You've got bad pilots like you've got bad drivers and in this case, luckily it happened over the Hudson so it was contained to the

57:47 The nine people four on board of the Piper and five on board of the helicopter what I think happened You know the if you're flying through that corridor, I think the the flight level is about 1,100 feet Probably the helicopter just popped up. You know he was just ascending the plane Basically just flew right into him But the thing that was interesting the New York Times reported on this and the story changed I have a cached version which I'll put in the show notes and Because one sentence is gone from the version that the New York Times has up now. And I'll read the paragraph in the cached version. In dramatic scenes glimpsed by hundreds of joggers, bikers, strollers and apartment dwellers on both sides of the mile-wide river, the two aircraft appeared to break apart. By the way,

58:37 If you're jogging, you're not hearing it until the crash has happened, which is probably the sound doesn't hit you until two seconds later. So it's just like a car crash. Everyone saw it, but they didn't really. A wing from the plane and rotary blades from the chopper and fell spinning into the Hudson opposite West 14th Street in Manhattan. Some describe the collision as sounding like a quick roll of thunder followed by an eerie silence. Now here's the line that is no longer in the online version of the Times. Immediately after the crash, the power went out in five counties but was quickly restored. What?

59:17 So I know where this is headed. Yeah, EMP. I don't know what that's about. I don't know why it was in the original story and has been taken out. Which counties? I can't even find any other references to this in Google News. This EMP has me kind of intrigued and so I want you to play EMP for new listeners is electromagnetic pulse. It's a weapon which is probably much more effective than a nuclear bomb and in fact you can trigger an EMP event by exploding a nuclear bomb at high altitude.

59:54 So I was listening to a discussion by one of the admirals that runs the ballistic missile defense program for the Navy and the Aegis program in particular. So I'm sitting, by the way, for people out there who know what Aegis is. Aegis is an anti-ballistic missile system. And I want you to play a clip to name a few followed by why say it. But first play to name a few. This is General, Admiral, go. Internationally, talked about Japan as the gold standard. We have lots of relationships with countries on exchanging data and analysis of what it takes to do ballistic missile defense. And we're very proud of our relationships we've had. And I'll talk about who's participated. Also, I would highlight here who has purchased the Aegis system. Australia, South Korea, Japan,

1:00:47 Norway to name a few so I'm thinking Norway So anyway, this system works by the way And this is the system that they read jiggered to shoot that satellite out of the air. Remember that You mean the one that collided? Well, they shot one out of the oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course. They blew it out of the sky. They had to What am I playing next year? So, then I hear this and I said, ah, I gotta play this for Adam because I know he's gonna be interested in this because it's actually, he explains how this thing, how the system works and how it can be deployed but somebody asks a kind of an offbeat question and the guy makes a point of not answering the question in such a way he could have because he ends up answering the question but he makes this statement at the end that I thought was weird but so play Why Say It.

1:01:49 Thank you. Yes, sir. Do you think that the Asia system might be intercepting a missile launch from say a barge or a trawler a few hundred miles off the coast, or by the Atlantic or Pacific or in the Gulf of Mexico, aimed at putting an EMP warhead 300 miles over the continental United States for an EMP strike? I won't speak to EMP because that exceeds the classification for the discussion. So the question was, how possible is it that the Aegis system could take out an EMP weapon? Yeah. He answers the question, I didn't want to record the whole thing, he actually answers that question, but he makes a point of saying he can't talk about EMPs, but it's not really a question about EMPs, but he makes the point that he can't talk, as if somebody's going to check on this.

1:02:47 But he says, yeah, you can take it out just like anything else if you're positioned right, which is buying these multi-billion dollar systems that sit on these extremely elaborate ships. And by the way, there's the, let's see, what was the name of the Erie? It's the Lake Erie or the, there's one ship that he kept talking about. I guess he's one of the, he may be the commander of it. But these ships are just designed to haul these anti-ballistic missile systems out to the ocean. And he says they got one floating around Japan that covers the whole country. Nothing can hit Japan if they wanted to. Except for a typhoon.

1:03:27 Okay, now the thing that's kind of interesting is that these are Raytheon missiles. Well, here's my question. This guy is currently in service Why what is he doing talking about being so proud about we sold them to all these other countries? Isn't he just supposed to be doing his job defending our country? Why is he is he in sales for some reason am I missing something? He's like and why is Norway buying this? What are they worried about? So, but I think the EMP question is the one that as soon as that came up, I said, ah, this might be what this whole thing's all about. It's not about, you know, somebody, I mean, because let's face it, if somebody like, let's say Iran decided to send a nuke at Paris, to blow up Paris, Iran would be flat after that. I mean, besides the Russians, the United States and all that, we have a lot of missiles, you know, ready to be fired.

1:04:18 Still I mean we haven't taken them all offline and we would just flatten the country would be nothing left of Iran So they wouldn't do this. It makes no sense, but do a EMP attack is kind of an interesting interesting philosophical so I so I wonder if because an EMP attack is relatively simple and you know if a nuclear bomb detonates It actually does kill a lot of electrical devices in the vicinity So if you have an EMP going up, you can blow it up all you want. I think the EMP strike will still take place because if the thing explodes then you get your EMP. Well the way this thing operates it will hit the missile before it gets to the apogee and it blows it up in flight in the end of then the bomb won't go off the fuck is this world come to John what are we talking about man nuts We deserve to die all of us. You know the problem is is that you know it was soon as Raytheon's name comes up the first thing I think of is those phony baloney Patriots that were in that you know

1:05:17 you know, first Gulf War that were supposedly blowing up the Scuds when they weren't blowing them up at all. Not one of them hit. They finally admitted that in front of Congress some years and years later. But of course, they showed on the news, they showed the Scud going up and then they'd show the thing blowing up. In fact, the Scud was just breaking up on its own. It's falling apart mid-flight. That's right. And you know, so this guy would go up and fall apart and they'd say, oh, Patriot took it out. John, look out, look out, look out. We have an EMP attack. It's coming, it's coming, it's coming. So I think we should need to look into hardening our systems against EMPs. In other words, what do we do with our computer systems and our backup power supplies and our generators and all the rest of it? So if there was ever an EMP,

1:06:09 blown up in the area, what would we do to stay online? I need to surf the web. We have talked about this, that part of the smart grid might actually be for this. Yeah, I'm thinking it is. But there's pretty much nothing you can do. If you want to protect equipment from an EMP, it has to be pretty much contained in a steel case. You know, so your chips are a bit fried. Do a Faraday cage work? Because somebody out there who knows anybody in peace. If I put a fair, like for example, let's say you have a house and you... Like, let's say you have a minimum security containment cell. I bet your place is probably totally immune. I'll be fine.

1:06:49 But could you put a Faraday cage, a thin one, in the drywall? Or make drywall with Faraday cage cable. You know, just a... you don't need much, just like a net of wires. I think you need like lead or something like that. I don't think it's Faraday cage. I think a Faraday cage will do it. I promise there's windows and things. I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you need a lot more. Well, I'm not sure I'm asking I want somebody to tell us still following the what do I hear in the background John? That's a dog that's once once in and I can't do anything about it now. Oh Come on He's gonna be a pest if he comes in here and it's gonna ruin the show Well, he's already ruining the show because it sounds like he's like you've got him tied to a tree or something I

1:07:46 Of course, the Blackwater news is falling off the radar, where there are, I guess, three whistleblowers who are testifying that... That's what you wanted. What is that, man? That's wrong. What have you done to this dog? He's not talking he's crying he's like feed me feed me I need some food, please I've actually recorded this dog. I got a bunch of clips of him. Hey John

1:08:33 John! It's not funny! It sounds wrong! You don't own a dog. I've had plenty of dogs, none like this. You took care of him there. Alright, cover for me for one minute. Okay. Uh... Gee, what shall we do? Can you still hear me while you're doing whatever you're doing? I'm taking the dog out. I'm not gonna cover for you, man. I'm just gonna cut this out of the show. Oh my God. Let's listen in to what's happening in the animal kingdom known as the Dvorak compound. If anyone's ever owned a Basset hound, they know they're very demanding. That was awesome, dude. So just two days before the Blackwater employees

1:09:49 filed all these sworn statements that the company's owner, Eric Prince, views himself as the Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe and is implicated in murdering people who wanted to blow the whistle on him. The Obama administration extended a contract with Blackwater for more than $20 million of security services. Don't look over here! Nothing to see here! Ooh, look at that! These guys, I thought these guys were fired. They were fired. There's something, you know what, I don't believe any of these stories now. There's something fake, there's something, there's something misinformation, disinformation, screwball about all the stuff about this guy and that company. Well, Representative Jan Schakowsky of Illinois is angry about it, about this contract. Good.

1:10:39 July 24th, the army signed an $8.9 million contract with the aviation wing of XI, known as Presidential Airways. This is the private airlines that allegedly were smuggling illegal weapons into Iraq, hidden in dog food. And this is for aviation services to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Oh, here it is. The aviation contract is described as, quote, air charter for things and non-scheduled chartered passenger air transportation. I like air charter for things. I shall try that on my next filing with the flight, for my flight plan. I'm air charter for things. You watch how quickly I'm not getting off the ground if you file a report that says that. Yeah.

1:11:36 Minimally unbelievable read the whole story in the show notes at no agenda. Me vo comm watch it play The clip I have coming to an end Coming to an end here we go, but we knew instantly in our hearts that The nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end I that was a john c devorak edit by the way Wall Street Journal hold on this is from I picked this up one of my neighbors moved out but his subscription still comes through really free newspapers another benefit free newspapers so this whole story and let me see if I here it is world news

1:12:35 And here's from left, Al Gore and Joel Hyatt, co-founders of Current TV and Bill Clinton celebrate the return of two journalists from North Korea on Wednesday. And I love this description. Let me see if I can find this. Okay. Hugs, so this is a sidebar. Hugs, pats as rivals reconcile. So of course there's always some tension between Al and Bill. Mr. Gore, whose current TV employs the reporters, applauded as Mr. Clinton climbed down the steps at Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, California. At first they seemed destined for a routine handshake. But Mr. Clinton pulled Mr. Gore into a bear hug. Mr. Gore hesitated just a moment. His left hand suspended above Mr. Clinton's shoulder blade before it descended into a two-pat man hug. Mr. Clinton matched him, raised him a third pat, added two right-handed strokes and three more pats before they disentangled.

1:13:28 Yeah, five seconds after their chests met mr. Clinton turned to join the journalists emotionally in the journal This is the Wall Street Journal. You know, I need some like let me see do I have I wish I had a real news clip Mr. Gore whose current TV employs the reporters applauded as mr. Clinton climbed down the steps of Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, California At first, they seemed destined for a routine handshake, but Mr. Clinton pulled Mr. Gore into a bare hug. Mr. Gore hesitated just a moment. His left hand suspended above Mr. Clinton's shoulder blade before it descended into a two-pat man hug. Mr. Clinton matched him, raised him a third pat, added two right-handed strokes, and three more pats before they disentangled.

1:14:28 Sorry, I think you nailed it. Yes, you're kind of horny. I got turned on by myself for a second. So the final So the journalists reunite with families in the US this whole story about you know, how wonderful blah blah blah No, no, no written. Of course. This is now a Murdoch publication Nothing at all about the fact that these two journalists were on assignment and across the border illegally to go get a story but the final paragraph The final final paragraph of this whole page, the detention and release of the women have brought much attention to Current TV which has struggled to broaden its audience since it was launched four years ago. The company had been preparing for a 100 million dollar initial public offering but recently cancelled these plans. Because no one would have subscribed, it's a turkey. Yeah I'm telling you this is a PR move for Current.

1:15:28 and a great PR move for Kim Jong-il. Yeah, he actually benefited the most. Of course, you're like, dude! Of course. He had a shit-eating grin on his face the whole time. Well of course because they've shut down all media in North Korea he thought that he was actually getting the current president of the United States. He didn't realize that Bill Clinton is no longer president. Well he doesn't really care. The point, the thing is that by the way the girls were never in prison, they were in a hotel. A hotel, exactly. room service. People have been giving me flack for that. Why? Oh man you shouldn't be laughing at that shit man that's not right. That's not right man. People are hostages man. The one who is whining and they coming to an end clip. Let's play it again by the way I just like the way her voice has tremolo.

1:16:21 Oops, sorry, I blew that, my mistake, here we go. So the worst thing about their imprisonment in In North Korea, John, you know what it was? What? No service for you! There was no room service. Oh, there wasn't? So anyway, she sounds like Edith Piaf. Oh, she does sound like Edith Piaf. Yeah. Which is the correct pronunciation. So anyway, so they had her on Current TV. So I flipped on Current TV and watched it. So the publicity stunt worked for me. And they said, dreadful, dreadful stuff. So they decided to show some of her old stuff.

1:17:16 and a special. So she's sneaking around and so, oh no, it was an accident that we got caught. Yeah, it was an accident that we got caught. What do you think you're doing? It just doesn't make any sense. And what are you going to find out that we don't know? Well, I don't know. It's just annoying. I find her annoying and I find people that can't see through this to be annoying too. Anyway, so that's the kind of thing we do. By the way, I do have one pet peeve. I think I'm going to do one a week. Okay.

1:18:11 It's just a minor pet peeve. It just bugs me play the friends clip is this from the TV series friends Yeah, it's a clip from the show is that show still in production now. No. No, it's just mine's done ultimate reruns Let me think what do I want? What do I want? Please take your time. It's an important decision. Not like say, I don't know, deciding to marry someone. This is about a muffin. Blueberry. Blueberry it is. Thank you. Okay.

1:18:51 What is the deal with canned laughter? It stinks, it ruins the show. If people would watch 30 Rock, which is a good comedy, it has no canned laughter, no phony audience, nothing. No one watches it. It's a huge hit, are you kidding? No, it's not. It is not a huge hit. It has received many accolades and awards. Exactly the opposite is true, and Tina Fey jokes about this all the time. Their numbers are actually quite low. Well, people should watch the show. No, they need to put some canned laughter in so that they get some real numbers. This is not the point of my argument to have you take the other side of canned laughter. But I come from this world, this is, people are so conditioned when you hear the laughter it actually triggers laughter in yourself.

1:19:37 That's what this horrible can laughter that they put in after the just says the word blueberry muffin and a bunch of people Twitter Or you know titter. I'm sorry Twitter. They titter. That's so funny Which is some guy turning the knob up and down or you know, there's different kinds of numbers They got the thing down to a fine art now you got you know, almost individual laughs and stuff you can control but it's like I find it, I think it's distracting, it's annoying and I think it's insulting. You need to look at America's Funniest Home Videos, that's where they really do the canned laughter. And it is insulting, but it's insulting to you and only you because this is... Oh, you're not insulted by this? No, I'm not insulted, I don't give a shit, I don't watch that crap.

1:20:19 Because I'm below my intelligence level John Reality TV shows if there depends on what kind if it's the unscripted drama there is no audience so there's no canned laughter They need a laugh track Let's take one of these shows and put a laugh track behind it and see if it improves it. Of course again when you're not watching it, it becomes that much more apparent how canned it is. Let's listen again. Get me a muffin? Oh sure, what kind? Let me think. What do I want?

1:20:54 Turn it up right there. Do I want You can actually hilarious that's hilarious sometimes they well, you know They record these these laughters usually to record it right before the show is taped And they have everyone applaud and laugh and they have comedians come out and tell jokes So they actually record the audience really laughing but they'll use it. Sometimes you'll hear like there'll be one woman go. Oh You'll hear that over and over and over again in the canned laughter. But this has been going on since the 50s, John. There's nothing new. I hate it. I just said it's a pet peeve. I wanted to bring it up. I was just flipping around. I turned off current TV and of course I was highly annoyed by that. And so then I turned this on and I saw this. This is really... I can't take it. So I had to record this and complain. It's just a moment of complaint. That's cool. Keith Ray, one of our producers, sent us a fabulous offer.

1:22:00 Which I will put in our show notes because any one of our producers may want to jump on this It's a great deal American Airlines flight to Moscow $199 one way One way I like that part of that One way this is probably good time of the year to go to Moscow or mosque as a Moscow or Moscow Mokhba Yeah, that's probably what it really is. So I think it's about time we discuss some of the benefits of contributing to this show. Yes, let me bring up... Can I do a couple of the women here? Let me rephrase that. Can I read some of the emails from our female donators? Sure. Okay, Tanya Wyman donated $161.80. Of course, thank you very much.

1:22:53 Here's what she says, thanks so much for bringing us the real, real news twice a week, every week. Just made my second donation a bit late for Sunday's show but I was delayed prepping a batch of crock pot chili. Yep, August in New York City but it's actually a bit chilly here for August anyway, go figure. Anyway, this time it's in the amount of $161.80 which does mean something. I'll give you a couple of hints. It's related to fractals and the decimal point is two places off. John? Can you figure it out? 161.80 and it's related to... 161... so it'd be... it says there's two places off which means either 1.618 or... 161.80 which is what it has to be. It has to go that way because otherwise it makes no sense. You could have given us, you know, 16 bucks. So it would be 161.80. So I would assume it's a date.

1:23:51 like 1 16th of January but that would be a European style of dating so it wouldn't be that it would be 16180 I don't know what you got I don't have anything no well maybe something in the chat room can figure this I'm actually go look at the chat says they come in and she does say she hopes to become another female night at some point at least on the lay on the layaway program and she says if you guys do the no agenda dinner in New York City I'm definitely there cool Okay, we got to put the mailing list thing up this week for the dinner so people can go to noagenda.squarespace.com and put the name on the mailing list or they can go to Dvorak.org slash NA. And this one I liked a lot, this email from Eleanor Schultes. Aloha John and Adam. I am a listener producer who is coming to you from a grass hut in Gitmo Nation, Mid-Pacific on Oahu, Hawaii.

1:24:49 My boyfriend turned me on to your show a few months back and I've been hooked ever since. We have a blast listening to the jingles amidst the theories, conspiracies and truths surrounding all things Gitmo. Look, let me be clear on why I'm tossing in my donation for the Armory Winery Library and Linguisa Sausagery, which by the way is the unofficial state sausage. We call it Portuguese sausage. My boyfriend John Foley is celebrating his birthday on August 12th. It's a bit hard to buy a gift for him. So I figured I'd give a gift in his name to something we both enjoy. My donation of $69.40 represents his birth year and his age, born in 1969, turning 40.

1:25:28 I hope this is enough of a donation to allow a quick happy birthday during your donation shoutouts. Thank you both for your insight, commentary and wit in keeping up the great work. In the meantime, we will be searching for the long lost Obama birth certificate and hunkering down in our bunkers to avoid two to the islands from Kim Jong-il while voting for jobs. Yay! Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! By the way, yeah, so together we just say happy birthday John Foley. What do I do it? Yeah, one two three Happy birthday, John John Foley It doesn't work with Skype does it? No, not at all, but it's pretty funny. I'm sure so somebody says that 1.6 180 yeah, it's Phi which is some constant. I never heard of Phi Phi Phi Phi. Yeah, I guess it's not Pi Phi. I

1:26:22 I don't know what Phi is. It would be nice if he explained it. But anyway, some constant. Well, here's some other people that gave us some funding. Our new producers, Adam Prebola, $50. He's in Bensonville, Illinois. By the way, Eleanor Shultz is in Wyania, which is like a really nice little town. Adam Prebola, Bensonville, Illinois. Joe Wynady, W-E-I-N-A-D-Y in Bowling Green, Ohio. Again, we have Americans. Travis, and he's 50, and Travis Wynn, everybody's 50 except one. Travis Wynn is in Hammett, California, 50. Tristan Lennon, which this is a second donation of 50 from Wagga Wagga.

1:27:11 new south and the north to some southwest territory some in australia and i want to walk is an image of the actress appreciate the second donation as cool uh... jeff baron in woodstock georgia he actually has power there uh... and then we have uh... why are you insulting people like that that's a little bit insulting and i was on the air in your insults and now it's is what stocks seems like a like it out there out their place i live in woodstock georgia We got power. Roman, I think it's Libomov, it's L-Y-U-B-I-M-O-V, who's in Vaud, Switzerland, which I believe is one of those places that, it's like a shtat, I think, one of these places where there's a lot of famous rich people staying. How do you spell it? V-A-U-D.

1:28:05 Vode hmm probably a lot of on knowing I say it yeah rich people well I would say that there's some something going on because he gave us two donations 150, but he just to make his point he would give us a number $19.17 which I think is when the IRS was invented right 1917 I don't know I wasn't around then I Was just a kid uh... johnnie's but anyways net thanks that's a good thanks for the donation roman uh... johnnie santos fifty at peter uh... Smilikoff, did I have him? I think I had him before at Galloway, Ohio, 5744. Matthew Bellamar. By the way, anyone who contributes like during these hours sometimes will get mentioned twice. Matthew Bellamar, Wolcott, Connecticut, $50. John Torada in Pasadena, $50.

1:29:01 and that's about it now. I want more from Matthew Wilson who sent us an interesting number $78.65 and he actually explains what it is. Can you guess? $78.65? 78, no. Okay, 78 is the ASCII decimal number for N and 65 is ASCII decimal number for A. Oh, cute. Yeah, I like cute. Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah, we never get that stuff. New South Wales, by the way, is what NSW stands for. Anyway, Australia Smilikov's 5744 is not explained. Do we have any idea what that is? 5744? 5744. Oh, no, never mind. This was an old one. That's right. That's our two ages, supposedly. He's getting way too much credit for this. And correct you are, 5744, right on the money. You wish.

1:29:58 You wish! If you really want to send that amount, it is 65.44. 65 bull. 64 then. No. You all you do is look it up in the New York Times exactly bring John I have an important message for you Okay, because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government That's just for you. I need that clip so I can oh I have that clip I'm gonna put the yay at the end. I want to put the yay at the end of that one Hey, I just wanted to mention forget wait before you mention anything more. Uh-huh?

1:30:36 Both Michael Atkinson and Corian from Holland, Michael Atkinson in particular Corian Corian Corian He's in Namibia and he knows how to do crop circles. He says that particular one that we're talking about is easy to do and he has all the geometrics. He says it's done with ropes and he says you do the stakeouts and he says it's much easier to do these things at night because flashlights can be used as methodologies for creating a straight line that you can't do during the day. and he says they're brain dead easy, he said three four hours you get one of those done and and uh... Kareen and Holland said, Kareen and Holland mentioned that the Firefox logo was done and she's turned me on to three or four people who did it and she said that they can easily copy this stuff and so the question is are you going to put up three hundred fifty thousand dollars for this challenge?

1:29:58 You wish! If you really want to send that amount, it is 65.44. 65 bull. 64 then. No. You all you do is look it up in the New York Times exactly bring John I have an important message for you Okay, because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government That's just for you. I need that clip so I can oh I have that clip I'm gonna put the yay at the end. I want to put the yay at the end of that one Hey, I just wanted to mention forget wait before you mention anything more. Uh-huh?

1:30:36 Both Michael Atkinson and Corian from Holland, Michael Atkinson in particular Corian Corian Corian He's in Namibia and he knows how to do crop circles. He says that particular one that we're talking about is easy to do and he has all the geometrics. He says it's done with ropes and he says you do the stakeouts and he says it's much easier to do these things at night because flashlights can be used as methodologies for creating a straight line that you can't do during the day. and he says they're brain dead easy, he said three four hours you get one of those done and and uh... Kareen and Holland said, Kareen and Holland mentioned that the Firefox logo was done and she's turned me on to three or four people who did it and she said that they can easily copy this stuff and so the question is are you going to put up three hundred fifty thousand dollars for this challenge?

1:31:28 Invest in a plane ticket. You've got 15 hours. You can do it in broad daylight. You can do it with your flashlights I want a replica of what is taking place in Wiltshire. Yeah, go ahead and and you can go Do you go ahead try to rest the gold bar from your cold dead hands? new guidelines and rules for the media in Ireland as we have the do-over of the Lisbon Treaty referendum vote coming up and They are now in effect as of last Friday. Two changes have been made to the guidelines. They were implemented following consideration of the guidelines that the BCI board, the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland put into place. They're intended to clarify the means by which broadcasters allocate airtime during the period when the guidelines are in operation. So this is how they're doing it.

1:32:24 There's no requirement to allocate an absolute equality of airtime to opposing sides of the referendum debate during editorial coverage. The guidelines require broadcasters to ensure that the proportion of airtime allocated to both sides must be fair to all interests and undertaken in a transparent manner. Okay, that sounded to me like it wasn't fair. And then secondly, the guidelines clarify the requirements to ensure that the total time allocated to political party broadcasts will result in equal airtime being afforded to parties that support the referendum proposals and those that oppose them. So if it's editorial coverage,

1:33:07 It's free for all, but if it's actual political party broadcasts and often with state-run media, you know, political parties get time allocated to them, which I think that's pretty much standard. That will have to remain on equal time allocation. But no requirement to allocate an absolute equality of airtime to opposing sides of the referendum debate during editorial coverage. In other words, slant it as you will. And that's now the rules. So I guess we've got a yes vote coming up. Yeah, well eventually. They just keep running it by. I'm pretty sure they'll do one at midnight on Sunday and you know see what happens. So Feigenbaum's constant is what this is supposed to be. That Phi. But I'm looking at the Wikipedia. It's still on that. That's just one of those things. I love it. What's it used for? Anyway, okay.

1:34:06 So, uh... You have a couple clips left? Nothing we can use to play? Yeah, we can use it next time. What's the Vivec thing? Well, it's this guy that's the CIO of the US, Vivec. What is the Vivec? Well, I think it'd be better, because it's a whole rant that... Okay, you want to do that next time then, perhaps? Yeah, this is, what's his name, Vivek Kundra, who is this Federal's Chief Information Officer. Oh, I saw that. I saw that panel they were doing on C-SPAN. The guy's an idiot. He's a total dweeb. He's like one of these Silicon Valley jackasses in Dockers that walks around and talks about, one day, imagine we'll have a holodeck and you can actually just say, computer, make it look like this. He actually did that.

1:34:55 I saw that! I'm telling you! We've been watching C-SPAN at the same time again, John. Why don't you just come over here and live with me? Heh. If we get to share Mickey. Do you have that... I didn't hear you... I didn't... Hey Mimi, did you hear that? Yeah, she'll give me crap about it later. You don't have that actual clip, do you? I don't have the, I might have the holodeck one. I got two clips but I got a few more lined up so it'd be better if we talked about them next week. Get the holodeck clip because that's just hilarious and that guy is a total dork. He's like an Indian Anthony Robbins. He's terrible and he says weird stuff. In fact his sentences make no sense and he just rambles about stuff with a bunch of buzzwords. And he rambles and rambles and then he winds up his point and everyone's, the audience is like, huh?

1:35:43 At the end, his last final point, there were two real geeks that were kind of sitting there on the panel and they were looking at each other like, is this guy insane? Answer, yes he is completely insane. Vivek, that's right. I saw that exact thing about the broadband bill or something. Incredibly important we have broadband. Yeah, alright bro, thanks. Cool job. Good gig. See you on the holodeck. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell which houses the crackpot command center in San Francisco Gitmo Nation West I'm Adam Curry and from Silicon Valley North that with a reminder to try to get us some grants go to Dvorak org slash na and try to give us some funding we need it and also sign up for one of our fabulous dinners that we're going to do probably first in Las Vegas I'm John C Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Thursday with another episode of No Agenda