Lawsuit Crazy

00:01 It's time once again for the program that has no music, no jingles, no commercials, no direction, no agenda, and of course, no talent. In the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. I'm John C. DeVorek up here in Northern California. Hey John, how you doing today? Good, it's a nice sunny day. Yeah, we had a beautiful day here as well in the UK. So nice in fact that I went flying. Ah, where'd you go? I went down to the south coast which would be towards the Isle of Wight and then hung a left basically eastwards and went all along the coastline up to Lyd. Are you familiar with Lyd? No. Okay, so Lyd is just... I don't know. It's that piece that sticks out on the right-hand side of the island. It's on the south coast there. But what's really nice, there's this program, this BBC show called Coast.

00:54 I don't know if you can get that over there on BBC America, but essentially it's a series about the coastline of the UK, which of course being an island, there's a lot of coastline. And it consists of, it's almost like a documentary but there's a lot of aerial photography really, really beautifully done. And I have to say the coast of the UK is spectacular. If you just fly along at 1,000 or 1,500 feet, it changes every 10, 20 miles. It's just beautiful. Can you take photos out of your plane? Yeah, of course. I took a well. I did it with my cell phone camera, so yeah It's kind of sucks ass And by the way when I'm by myself. It's there's a lot going on so you know to really yeah We can take me up for a ride. I'll take pictures you get your ass over here. We'll take some pictures absolutely It'll be fun. It'll be raining When you get here yeah, probably so nice there in California you were in Vegas John and

01:58 Yeah, I went to Lost Wages, Nevada. Yeah, did you lose any? No, actually I won. I only budget, I don't like to gamble, I think it's just stupid. I'm not a gambler either. But I do play video poker machines because I know that there are certain machines, if you look at all the odds, it's the funniest thing. Video poker machines have a variety of odds for the exact same game from machine to machine to machine. I don't know you know I mean I guess and nobody ever looks at these odds because there are some machines that essentially just take your money And there are other published right it says it right there You will lose at least 4% on every every dime you put in that's what that's casino wide but there are some machines that are pretty close to break-even on video poker and If you know what to look for in and it's you know the because they and the odds are right on the screen and

02:48 and people just ignore it. But you don't have to go to Vegas for that. You could go to your local 7-Eleven and play video poker, can't you? Yeah, you could. Okay. It's just a game I like because I had this, there's this computer program called, years ago, called Video Poker Tutor. And... What did that run on? The Commodore 64 or something? Close to it. But anyway, the thing would just keep beating you down until you figured out how to, you know, what the strategy was because video poker is not poker. It's a you know it's a different game altogether and there are and there's strategies involved in what you hold on what you get rid of if you want to approach this break-even point and then if you get lucky you can you know walk away with some money and I tend to always walk away with some money although I can't say I've made a fortune. I was gonna say total earnings? Five bucks. Right on. You know I've been to Vegas quite a bit. I'm not a gambler. I just I really don't care. It just doesn't interest me at all.

03:49 There's a lot of interesting game. I know it doesn't interest me to any extent, but I mean I Few years maybe 15 years ago used to play a lot of craps and craps is an interesting game because it again if you'd play it right you're at a break you can pretty much break even at it and you can maybe even make out in the deal in some casinos where they give you a lot of free cognac you know to try to make it so you just do they try to get your Drinking so you screw up. Well, they also in any in Vegas. They have they have tons of Of courses you can take I did a couple documentaries in 90 I'm gonna say 91 or 92 in Las Vegas. I did one

04:27 No, I did three... they're all on YouTube by the way. If you just search Adam Curry you'll find them. One is about the pawn shops. One is about craps and roulette. So they actually, you know, I went to one of those courses where they teach you how to play. And the third one was the Las Vegas bike patrol. I went along and rode with the bike patrol for a day which was pretty interesting. That's cool. Yeah, you should take a look at those. I mean they're Dutch. I'll log them. Yeah blog there you go, baby You can look at Adams really really big hair. So anyway the Yeah, they have a lot of courses in there and they're actually pretty good They try to teach you how to do things right, but they just assume that nobody really cares

05:06 And I think it's also some rationale when people with a gaming license has come up to say no We try to teach the public the exact you know aspects of the all the aspects of the game that will help them It's all to their benefit. You know that I found the course really good They really gave you a lot of tips and tricks and you know really they try to help you win knowing full well that the odds are just against you you can't win so I don't know if it has anything to do with a gaming license or anything I think they really just want to help you to get you to go to the table spend money and Yes, but any but the one thing I found interesting about craps is and like all the other games in the casino It's a social game where people win and lose as a group Yeah, true, and and it's a and it's a really a different game because of that and it's actually kind of interesting But you know again, it's a time when you look at it. You know even any of these things even if you can you know make a little money It's a time killer. I mean it takes you hours to you know

06:00 Get anywhere unless you're throwing massive amounts of money down. Yeah, that's Not for me not for me. All right, so you there for CES. I heard a couple of your reports On tech 5 with the flat flat panel LCD screens. I heard those reports. What else? What else did you do at CES just kind of roam around and I didn't see them I mean CES to me has always been a show Years ago when they had Comdex and computer guys would go there that was different I mean Comdex was it was a whole different vibe wasn't it it wasn't that different? But it was slightly different because there wasn't as much junk CES has a lot of junk a lot of weird stuff. That is just like what is the what are these people doing here? I mean things for a little

06:47 These little mom-and-pop stores you find in urban areas where you you know turn a corner and there's an Indian guy running this place and he sells everything from toaster repair to skins for the cell phone to Cigarettes bunching, you know lottery tickets You name it does that really pay for those guys to buy a booth at CES for basically stuff that you buy in the mall and Don't know they're there hmm and today do they do the same thing that they do this by the way This is something I wanted to mention it. There is a new It seems like a ship you know you know these stalls in the mall. They're they're everywhere They're here in the UK, but in the States You know there's that little carts that kind of sit in the middle of the walkway right and

07:31 And they sell everything from covers for your cell phone to, you know... Embroidered hats. Exactly, that kind of stuff. But what has happened, I've noticed, is that when you now are walking through the mall, the vendors now come up to you and they say, excuse me sir, could I ask you a question? And you know, and it's usually women who are doing this and they solicit you and it's really pissing me off. It's really ruining my mall experience. Have you noticed that this is how... you know, maybe don't go to malls but... It really hurts me. I do go to malls, I don't go to malls. Obviously I don't go as much as you do, but I go to malls, I have seen these things, I usually go to them when I travel. I have never seen that in an American mall, what you're describing. Oh, I've been in two malls on my most recent trips, and it's like a new thing. They used to just have this cute little... In August I went to the Roosevelt Field Mall, I think is what it's called. It's a huge, massive mega mall in... Where? That's upstate New York.

06:47 These little mom-and-pop stores you find in urban areas where you you know turn a corner and there's an Indian guy running this place and he sells everything from toaster repair to skins for the cell phone to Cigarettes bunching, you know lottery tickets You name it does that really pay for those guys to buy a booth at CES for basically stuff that you buy in the mall and Don't know they're there hmm and today do they do the same thing that they do this by the way This is something I wanted to mention it. There is a new It seems like a ship you know you know these stalls in the mall. They're they're everywhere They're here in the UK, but in the States You know there's that little carts that kind of sit in the middle of the walkway right and

07:31 And they sell everything from covers for your cell phone to, you know... Embroidered hats. Exactly, that kind of stuff. But what has happened, I've noticed, is that when you now are walking through the mall, the vendors now come up to you and they say, excuse me sir, could I ask you a question? And you know, and it's usually women who are doing this and they solicit you and it's really pissing me off. It's really ruining my mall experience. Have you noticed that this is how... you know, maybe don't go to malls but... It really hurts me. I do go to malls, I don't go to malls. Obviously I don't go as much as you do, but I go to malls, I have seen these things, I usually go to them when I travel. I have never seen that in an American mall, what you're describing. Oh, I've been in two malls on my most recent trips, and it's like a new thing. They used to just have this cute little... In August I went to the Roosevelt Field Mall, I think is what it's called. It's a huge, massive mega mall in... Where? That's upstate New York.

08:29 Okay, I'm sorry not well. Yeah upstate not upstate but kind of upstate And then the what's the one in San Francisco? on market on market yeah, yeah, there's Yeah, that one where Nordstrom's is The gallery area yeah, that's it the gallery I think is what it's called same thing And you're just walking along looking at the shops left or right and then the vendors like excuse me sir Can I ask you a question? It's like no fuck off because I've said yes of course once Then you know they drag you into this demonstration of some stupid pride. They're just it's like you know trying to sell you something But it's offensive. I don't think that I don't think that's allowed well. They're doing it man I think it's a I think it's a plague and I think it's taken over and I mean you might as well Just have a bunch of guys in front of all the stores. You know like they do on Columbus Avenue in the old days right camera shots in San Francisco Well, I don't like it

09:30 Will not free our places that allow that behavior Anyway, yeah, I haven't seen it, but I can understand why it would be annoying, but yeah, there's these carts I think tell the people these carts are interesting they become a phenomenon all the malls have obviously there those are released spaces yeah, and I guess they button up the cart at night and It's kind of just a cheap Usually a cheap operation. Yes And and Patricia she loves those guys because she'll be walking through the mall and the should go to like the sunglasses Cart, and she now knows she knows these These vendors and she knows that if you want the fake Gucci sunglasses You got it like you know wink wink nudge nudge and then out comes the special little draw that you can take a look at so there are the other hand there they're selling all kinds of

10:20 Contraband and shit good kidding me. Oh, man absolutely Patricia loves that she loves fake sunglasses Take her to New York and take her down to Canal Street. Oh, no well she dude can of course Canal Street is changed now because you You know they really crack down on all the fake handbags and everything and so now you What they'll do is they'll come up to you and say hey, you know you see this well It's got something better basically you follow that's kind of creepy because you follow them into like Down an alleyway turn left down three stairs, and then they've got all the great stuff And I am convinced by the way 100% that these are actual products. These are not knockoffs These are the real deal that just you know they're there Abnormalities or or just pumped out a different door of the factory. I think it's exactly the same stuff as the as the $5,000 items

11:11 Yeah, I know we've talked about this before. I think some of the items are indeed the same thing. I know you get pretty much the overproduction stuff when you're in Korea. There's a street in Korea that sells all kinds of stuff. And you look at it and you cannot see. You can't see the difference. I mean maybe a little bit, there's a stitching that's off or something but Patricia has made quite a study of this because she really hates paying a lot of money. She used to be married to a guy who was in clothing and all kinds of other Stuff like that and she says you know it costs shit. You know she she she said you see a sweater at Jack Wills or whatever or Eddie Bauer, and it's you know $500 it cost five fucking dollars to make she just can't Bring herself to pay you know to overpay for products like that so she loves getting knockoffs And she's also convinced that they are in fact the real deal. Maybe just a small irregularity, but undetectable It's all about how you wear it you know

12:12 Yeah, I know. I think a lot of the fake stuff. I have a whole bunch of knockoff watches because during the heyday of Canal Street, when I was working, I'm still working at PC Magazine, but I used to go to New York a lot, and so I collected a huge, I have a huge collection of some pretty cool ones. But what, the most fascinating watch I collected, which I still use, There was a period of time where they were making perfect Movados. Generally speaking, the knockoff guys, and these obviously were not real Movados because they were too thick, but they would put a second hand on the watch, which kind of like blows the idea. Or you'd have a fine Swiss watch and you could see this sweeping quartz-driven second hand. It was like, uh-huh.

13:00 Yeah, click click click, but anyway, somebody did a Movado. They did a series of Movados without the sweep second hand. They looked just like Movados. They had the right hands and everything else are perfect. But then one day I went there and there was a silver on silver one, which was a silver case, silver background and silver hands with the Movado logo and it looked like a Movado. But the Movados typically are gold and black. Not silver, silver, and silver. And so I bought that thing, and it's just, and Movados never made this, a watch that looks like this. They just haven't done it. But they should, because it's really gorgeous. So you wear, I would wear that watch typically, even though I don't wear a tuxedo all the time, but it's a great tuxedo watch, and it would always catch somebody's eye. Do you wear different watches? I mean, I have probably,

13:51 I must have a collection of about 20 different watches, but I keep wearing the same one. I don't like a different thing around my wrist. I like the comfort of the one that I'm used to. You really change around a lot? I don't wear, actually I stopped wearing watches maybe 10 years ago and I just used a cell phone like everybody else for the time. But yeah, I would wear different watches. I would take some Rolexes for example, and you know, fake Rolexes, especially the good ones with the expensive sweet second hand, and you match them up with some, if you're ever in Arizona or someplace, you match them up with some of these Indian bands

14:30 And you get some pretty good looking matches and you get a pretty cool watch that people wonder where you got it. I've worn the same watch basically for 20 years. Is that the watch, the cloth band that you're wearing with the velcro, that one? Yeah, right. That's the one. That's the one, John. No, Patricia gave me a gold Rolex about a year after we'd been together, which of course was a complete incentive for me to keep her around. And I haven't taken it off. I mean, in fact, it's really dirty. It should get it really should get clean. It's it's it's completely black on the on the inside of the band and of course You know the real Rolexes don't actually keep time very well. You know that yeah, that's the irony of it I guess yeah, it is so what else happened in Vegas? That's staying does that stay in Vegas as usual oh

15:27 Stayed at the MGM Grand and I by the way anyone going to Vegas when you're at these new hotels which are old they have a centrally located elevator shaft typically in the middle of star configuration you when you check in always say look I want a room near the elevators hmm because you won't get a really you'll be able to find the elevators if you don't ask for a room near it and No, you will find them because it's really just like one long aisle that's a mile long toward the elevator shaft which is in the middle. So it's a spoken hub kind of layout typically with these hotels. And the MGM Grand is the worst because it's one of the biggest hotels in the world and you can get a room, it takes you five minutes to walk to the elevators.

16:12 So you get the old, you know, you walk to the elevator, you go down, oh I forgot my, you know, something, you gotta go back up, and it's a mile long walk to the room, and then a mile long walk back. I forgot the hooker I left in the room. Shit, now I gotta go back. So, I mean, it's, so always ask for a room near the elevator shaft and, you know, they'll give you a room close in. And it's really makes a huge difference because you can just, you know, you step out of the room, you take five steps, you go to the elevator shaft and you're down. But anyway, so I stayed there and it's not a hotel I particularly like, but it's okay. And they have a lot of nice restaurants. They turn their restaurants over, but they have now, Joel Rubishan has a restaurant in there.

16:53 uh... not to mention not familiar with joe uh... yeah he's one of the maybe the greatest chef in france i mean there's three great uh... uh... chefs there's the uh... rubish on and and so why and uh... uh... alan do costs who also has a place in new york and uh... they all three of them now have restaurants in las vegas uh... do causes and rubish on spending the best of the two when there's a uh... but you can't get in you know it's just impossible uh... so i didn't get to eat there so i was very disappointed so that's a shame speaking of the of french just for a second uh... i think uh... i think i made a a comment about the french on the last show

17:33 Yeah, and I got a about them being lazy I think which by the way a lot of people emailed me said you're being racist and I think I have to disagree exactly people are very confused about what racist is particularly in the UK by the way Mike Paneiro, who's in the UK, says, I work for a French firm in a factory. Over here we get one hour for lunch, which for a factory is generous. Our French counterparts, who also work in a factory, get one and a half hours. They pop along to one of the many places to eat nearby, quaff a few glasses of vino with their meal. 35 hour work week, all of August off. No Yorkshire tea, no real beer, and now they can't smoke inside.

18:17 So he's complaining about what? Well, I think what he's saying is that it's true. The French are just... they got it easy, man. Culturally, they're lazy. Well, I don't know if it's laziness or smart. Dude, how about Sarkozy? How about him dating Carla Bruni? I'm telling you that's what I said smart. But you know this is this is quite about leveraging your position in a public office. Dude he is so he is tapping that ass and it's a good thing she was what was she was didn't you have a child with Mick Jagger? I mean this is like a this is like a serious babe that's been passed around.

18:55 She must have some particular skill that we're unfamiliar with. Oh yeah, I can only imagine. But whatever the case, I mean, you know, I'm not going to accuse the French. I mean, the French have a different way of working. But the one thing for sure is... Yeah, less! Well, maybe. That's quite different. Less. Does it really work? Less is more. We never hear about France. Is the economy working? I mean, the only thing we hear about is... Less is more. Less is more. There's striking and fighting. Their economy is always in the tank. Are you kidding me? Okay? Well, I'm not no I'm just asking I really have no idea I mean you just don't really hear about it I think if you went to Google right now and typed in France and recession it would come up with a million hits. Okay, let me try France in Google News or regular Google just regular Google. Okay, let's see. I think they're perpetually in a recession. I

19:49 Well, there's something to be said for that as well, I guess. When you're on the floor, you does not fall to... Here, France escapes recession. Top hit from the BBC News. Sorry. Sorry, they achieved a slight growth. Hold on, let me get this. This is the top hit on the new Google indexing system, by the way, which indexes... Oh, okay. This is May 20th, 2003. Hey, that new algorithm is really working. It works great the French economy managed to grow slightly by 0.3% in the first three months of the year that's a May 2003 2003 yeah All right, that's that's the one note of good news for the French economy right there. You know four years ago

20:32 five years ago. Let me see if there's something under news. That might be, yeah, let's see. Here comes the earnings recession. Nothing about France. I'm telling you, you just don't read a lot about it. I don't know. Yeah, they don't care either. You know, the thing is, they don't listen to us. You can be assured we have like you know that even with it like I do the twit thing with Leo We have a big audience and I can solicit anything I want around the world and there'll be some two or three guys will chime in you know I say I need to know the best restaurant in Hamburg and I get six emails and various German guys who live in Hamburg right of course You can do anything you want about France and there's no French listening. No, that's not true because there's at least, I have at least two French listeners who email consistently.

21:19 On your on your daily source. Oh, yeah, and there's a doing it for 10 years. It's the same two guys so It's alright, you know I dig I like it I look I actually really like the French I have no problem with them I'm just always amazed at you know at how they make the shit work over there I They do it by having long lunches. I guess. Although, you know, they're trying to kill off the long lunch in France. I think the French resist pretty well. Well, this is what Sarkozy is all about, right? Didn't he say to the nation, look, we've got to work harder, we got to do more if we want to keep in stride. Isn't that more or less his whole message? Yeah, that's what he says, but the talk is cheap and then he runs off with the bimbo. She's not a bimbo, John. I think she's got, you're right, she's got talent. She's got real talent.

23:15 The flight was light, which is interesting, and of course, there's no middle seats, so a big fat person sits in the middle. It always cracks me up. One time I was on a—not to go into diversion here about fat people, but I'm not fat, but I'm a big guy. I saw one day, I was on one of these flights where you pick your own seat and I saw a big fat guy sitting by the window and the aisle seat was there so I decided to sit there and just, you know, kind of spread my shoulders and try to feel it, spread out and look as big as I could, trying to dissuade anyone from sitting between two big guys. Exactly. Please stay away.

23:52 So I thought that the idea was good and I swear to God probably the fattest woman I've ever seen on an airplane. Hey, there's my people my peeps are here. I gotta go sit in between them That's the only logic He's slammed up against the window his face is kind of against the thing Smurf pushed up against and I'm like halfway in the outlet and People keep banging into us and walking back because we can barely sit there. And of course she took both arm rests, right? Yeah, but not with her arms. Oh god, I got a visual.

24:31 All right. Anyway, so this is always risky. So anyway, so we went down, so I'm reading the magazine, it talks about the, this museum, this pinball museum on, now the address is 3330, 3330 East Tropicana, for anybody in Vegas who wants to go check it out. And it's, this guy's been collecting pinball machines for, I guess his whole life, and he's got 800 of them in his collection, 200 of them are in the pinball museum at any given time. And they're all, you can play them all. At the original 25 cent price for five balls or whatever. And he even has a one-off of a really wild machine that they, that Baldy prototyped two of and only one ever worked and he has it. It's worth about 100,000 bucks he thinks. And it's a wild machine. It's like dimensional. It's got all kinds of playing fields. It's ridiculous.

25:25 He's got all these machines and a lot of classics from the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. And all the money that he makes at the place after he pays for his overhead goes to charity. He gives all his money away as retired. and he just wants everybody so he can afford to advertise anything so he's getting a lot of publicity but the place usually has he had about ten or twenty people in there playing away like crazy it's a it's a great place if you like pinball machines him Arnold that's his name right tomorrow yet tomorrow yeah I'm looking at the website which is a pinball museum dot org that's pretty great pinball museum dot org and I'm as any any should we interviewed for cranky geeks and he

26:07 You know, he's a pinball nut. And he said, we had a lot of complaints. He said, like, you know, people, you know, there's only one pinball maker left because nobody puts pinball machines in gas stations or anyplace else anymore because everything's owned by chains and they won't, you know, they don't like pinball because of its seedy history. And they don't want Lloyd around. They don't want anyone loitering right there you go and So he has a real interesting lament. That's really quite sad because it certainly when I was a kid Both in the States and and in Europe as well, you know, it was quite the thing you know you'd go down to the to the drugstore or whatever and you know, I think that I was kind of in between the pinball and Pac-man

26:52 You know, that's when it kind of went to video games. But you're right, you don't see him anymore because they don't want loitering. But it was kind of where you grew up and where you got your first smoke. Normie oh, that's how you got started so but it used to have been bowling alleys in every place else I mean, then you'd play him. They were always fun, and you know it was Anyway, so he says the problem now is maintaining them because The parts nobody makes the parts we have to machine the parts or you have to scavenge things from other you know other systems, and he's been buying apparently motors from old blenders seems to work in certain machines for something and

27:34 So anyway, but it's a labor of love and I you know recommend anyone that go passes through Las Vegas It's one of the more interesting places in the country to visit. Oh check this out zero zero one zero eight zero eight John C. Dvorak's cranky geeks calm takes a timeout from 2000 CES show in Las Vegas to visit the pinball Hall of Fame. It's episode number 98, huh? You're on the motion. Yeah, you're on their news page dude fantastic. Oh Cross promotion the name of the game and even better than that. It's it says on the 1st of January Spirit magazine Which is what you read Southwest Airlines article about the Las Vegas pinball Hall of Fame article titled sure play to mean pinball God the net is cool. So yeah That's why we like it that internet thing is for that rocks God

28:27 So anyway, anyone out there who's visited Vegas, you know, get off the beaten path, get a car, get a cab or go out to, you know, 3330 East Tropicana and check it out. Now on the way back, I took a, I came back in a private airplane and... Oh what, who's, Hurst? Yeah, Hurst. Cool. What was he flying? What kind of plane? Well, you know, he's part of, you know, it's like a corporate... Like a NetJets thing. Yeah, it's like this one was a Hawker 800. Oh, it's a nice plane, man. That is a nice plane. Although, you know, I've been in the beach jets and the beach jets are really nice. Even though they're small, they are, there's just the features inside the plane are just really cool. Well, the Hawker is, you can stand up straight in the Hawker, can't you?

29:14 Yeah, you can get pretty... No, it bumps my head. I think it's under six foot. It's not like a Challenger or anything where you can wander around. Yeah, it's the 800, right? The Challenger, that's an amazing one. Or the... I've been in a G5. God. Yeah, the G5 is the class act. Although I'd rather, honestly, just all things being equal, I'd rather have a Challenger than a G5. Well, you know, you're on your way, Adam. You can afford one. It's the part but most most of these yeah, but see most of these people don't realize you know these private jets are mostly now all shared Yeah, I mean, there's a few guys left that have their own I mean the Google boys have a couple of jets that dedicated to them and some of the eBay and PayPal guys have jets to write Paul Allen's got a jet 757 Ray Lane has a g5 who Ray Lane

30:09 So does he? He's got a G5 and I rode with him. We took his G5 when they launched the Tesla, that electric sports car. Okay, they changed the topic. They had a Tesla at the show that I did. I got to look at one up close and personal. It's a little lotus with a battery. Yeah, yeah. With a fucking d-cell. No, this is what's so funny, because, so it was me, it was Ron and Marta, Ron's wife, and Ray, and we took his G5 down to LA, and what was really funny, on the landing,

30:50 Because I was sitting in the... I went up with the pilots on the jump seat. Of course, you know, I wanted that. That was cool. You know, and sit in the cockpit. And they were in the back drinking. And when they landed, one of the brakes jammed. So they landed actually with like, I think, the right or maybe even both rear brakes jammed. Essentially engaged so the nose wheel slammed down I mean it was I was strapped in with you know five-point harness and I was thrown I could near the whole chair really moved forward That's how how heavy it was and Ray Lane who was in the back of course, you know, mr. Big VC Oh, I'm not gonna buckle my seat belt he

31:30 He flew out of his seat across the seat into Martha's lap on this landing It was very fucked up and but you know for pilots. It's like a B. That was like that's like really embarrassing You know yeah, I guess when when you know when you've got a pilot as a guest on board And you know of course your jet jockey so you're showing off right, and you really fuck it up anyway, so the launch was at At the airport it was I think it was I think it was Burbank. And so they had rented out a hangar and essentially they had a little circuit and then you know so you in the middle of the hangar was the party and then they had a circuit around this party and that went outside and then back into the hangar so it was it was kind of cool you know it was like a like your own matchbox set or Hot Wheels that you'd set up only really big.

32:25 And you could buy one right then and there and they had a big screen up and it would show you know the names of people who had pre-ordered one so of course you know you're looking at Larry, Sergey and then oh there's a popped Ray Lane and to date no one has still has received one. This is 2006. They can't deliver these fucking things. Well, you know when I see these kinds of promotions and I see all the Silicon Valley guys for some, well actually they all get on the same bandwagon, but it's the way it is down there. Because it's like something's either cool about it, you know it's electric and it's really fast and you know there's all these different kinds of things that make it so great. Yeah, but it's still a Lotus with a D-cell.

33:06 Yeah, look at this one. I think I saw one on the road a couple years ago that was being test driven down in Southern California and I couldn't figure it out, but all I do remember is the logo. So when I saw the logo later, I said, oh, I saw one of these things, these Tesla's, a T. Anyway, so I was Was looking at this thing. It's really cramped inside In fact somebody was telling me that one of their friends who's 6-6 bought one. There's no way he's ever gonna get in it No way and But everybody in the valley is on the waiting list and it's a big deal to have you know to be on the waiting list of this thing and I'm thinking These guys have got way too much money. They can just throw it around and to get a gift would I consider it be a gimmick vehicle and yeah, it'd be cool if it works and if they ever ship it and

33:49 for a while until somebody gets rammed by someone else or the car flips. I mean, just the whole thing is just that get a Lexus for God's sake. So it is it is indeed it is a Lotus body. I mean, it literally you know, I don't know if they take the emblem off, but it's a Lotus body and and it is fast. I think it does zero to 60 in under four seconds. Just an amazing torque that it has. Yeah, but the problem motor but the problem they're having is the battery and I heard I'm sure you've heard of or seen the movie who killed the electric car You know I don't know if I have maybe I will look at look it up on Google video I'm sure they I'm sure someone's illegally uploaded it. Thank goodness

34:37 But it's about that There was an electric car that they handed out to celebrities in the I want to say 80s 90s something like that you're talking about that General Motors car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one exactly and But that no one has a cool-looking car by the way Yeah, but no one was allowed to buy it you couldn't actually buy the car and then they took them all back destroyed it ball Yeah, they took them all back now what I've understood is that I guess GM or some some some company owns a patent to the battery technology that is necessary that actually would make this all work. And that, you know, they, for obvious reasons, have purposely not allowed anyone to do anything with that patent. But that that's really the problem. Everyone's struggling trying to work around this patent to come up with a better battery technology. Do you know anything about this? It sounds like a crock.

35:30 I don't know. I mean, batteries... General Motors is going to bring out another electric car, it's my understanding. They put all this... I mean, I think there's too much emphasis on the hydrogen cars, for example. And I think that that's a real issue. And if they're going to be promoting all these other sort of alternative systems, There's no reason for him to like kill the electric car for some unknown reason. Well not now I think now now now now people are interested There's a market for it, and we know everyone knows they have to change you know, but 2010 you know 10 15 20 years ago They had every reason to not want people to get into electric And I think that you know now they will get into it, and what do you mean? About the hydrogen you don't think that's gonna that works or is no it's just a joke

36:12 okay you know it's somebody should talk to you know i i've got a lot to read the right act by some guys from and others air core one of these gas companies you know these companies that sell gas you know in canisters and they said this and you can't get enough energy out of hydrogen to make it worthwhile you have to compress so much of it right now they got the tanks up to and i kept up with this by the way i go to the general motors that they have sessions are all over the country where you they will use hydrogen cars i've driven a bunch of them And besides the fact that they make a screeching sound when you accelerate, drive you crazy. But anyway, I mean, because of the sound of the hydrogen going through the membrane. The technologies from the 60s or earlier, because that membrane is, they can't seem to make a breakthrough on that. They can't get enough energy out of the gas, because the gas is low energy actually, believe it or not. And so you have to compress a ton of it. Now they've gotten the tanks to get

37:06 Last time I looked they had the tank so there were 10,000 pounds per square inch tanks Which I can't imagine one of those things breaking open And they still can't get the things to go more than 300 miles or so and they know that there's a there's a magic number I forgot I think it's 350 or there's some number they and I think there's the same problem with the electric car the car manufacturers and by the way the Tesla has this problem and The car manufacturers have a magic number. If the car cannot go this far on one tank... then it's not commercially viable because people won't put up with it. And there's a minimum number of miles you can go and they can't get to that mileage with the hydrogen car. And even if they did, the car's going to be extremely expensive because that entire mechanism that they use to propel the car is just expensive. But everybody's on this bandwagon. So I've driven the Hondas, I've been in the Honda Hydrogen, Toyota's got one, I've been in that, I've been in the Fords, General Motors, everybody's got one.

38:05 There's a couple trucks, and they're you know I think there's a bus or two out there And I haven't driven the bus, but I've driven these things around in there They have a funny kind of a performance curve. I don't think they're I don't think they have any appeal There's a couple people sent me a link earlier this week to something called the air car which looks a little bit like a like a an even cheaper looking smart car and More plastic looking. By the way, I love smart cars. But it has a compressed air engine, so it's a hybrid. So it uses fossil fuel to kind of like an electric hybrid, but they compress air and then use that. It's interesting. Hey, that car blows. What a slogan. Yeah.

38:57 So, you know, the problem is if you talk to these guys who are honest about it, and people don't realize that gasoline, the reason there's gasoline cars out there, and why they're so popular, is gasoline per pound has more energy in it, just built into the molecular structure, than any other substance we can come up with. And so it's already a kind of a compressed form of energy. And that's why gasoline cars are what they are. Well, so anyway, so I'm obviously you know, it's not like an old fuddy-duddy here, but you know, and I do like v8s What can I say? I remember that I'm caring about cars. I just don't give a shit anymore. Yeah. Well, you're in England Why would you so?

39:46 Well, this is the land of motoring mind you the land the land of Top Gear I mean, I really enjoy watching Top Gear, but you know so I'll see them do a review of like the new Audi I've always been kind of an Audi guy And you know that new are eight or whatever it is Sports sports car I guess yeah, that thing's supposed to be a rocket it borders on supercar status I believe and it's quite it's quite affordable actually as supercars go But you know, so they had one at the airport and I go take a look at it and I was like, I really don't give a shit. I don't actually want to sit in a car going anywhere. You know, this will look nice, but... Yeah, you've gotten to the point where you need to be chauffeured.

40:31 Yeah, yeah, and as long as it's comfortable in the back, it's fine. In fact, I'm the guy that when, in fact, I have to go with Patricia in like a couple minutes after we're done, you got to go shopping because she can't really do anything. She can only command me as what to do. But normally I'd say, will you please drive? I don't even want to let my wife drive. I really don't care. Yeah, well, you know, that's what happens when you get to a certain point. I told everyone on the source code about Patricia's appendectomy, by the way, so. Yeah, she's okay though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's a you're about it. Well, I'm very irked about it because you know, she was essentially misdiagnosed by multiple Doctors multiple hospitals multiple tests and you know because I guess you know by not diagnosing Appendicitis that's a misdiagnosis. I would think I

41:27 And I'm sure that there's no recourse. I'm sure there would be in this country. Really? But you know, I'm against that. I'm really look first of all, when you know, so people make mistakes, people fuck up, you know, that's possible. But I'd like to know about it. And I'd like someone to cop to it. You know, I'm really against that culture of, you know, something bad happened, someone died, let's sue for millions. It just I don't agree with it. It doesn't really solve anything. That's the way we operate. It doesn't solve anything, but it keeps cash flow. Would you do it? Yeah, probably. I tend to be slightly litigious. Really? The only things I've sued for have been... I counter-sued MTV when they sued me for MTV.com, and I sued Dutch Tabloid when they stole my picture off of Flickr under the Creative Commons license.

42:20 And and both times that's kind of a trivial. That's a kind of an interesting lawsuit. You're saying you're not a suit happy well, but that was a principle, but that was a real principle issue there because I had my I had pictured private pictures on flickr and I had the permissions of the Creative Commons copyright license set, you know to no derivatives And non-commercial use or whatever and attribution something like that, but certainly no commercial use and they you know took those pictures Printing up did like a six-page spread including part of the cover and then they said well, we have every right you put them up there on that site and

43:02 And it even had a download button And that was their argument like I got to take these guys to court I just I just have to and now that that case is actually is used as jurisprudence now for the creative commons copyright I'm quite proud of that one good, but I would have done the same thing. I just Wouldn't have said what you said earlier now. Let's go back to that suit. What did you get out of it? Well what I sued him for What I sue him for I think it was like you have to take every single copy off the shelves and pay me a $20,000 now while we evaluate you know like outrageous claims obviously you know as one does and what the so the judge

43:50 Because there's no jury system in the Netherlands, it's professional judges and so basically they call the shots, which is really fucked up. And this woman clearly did not have an in-depth understanding of creative commons, she was the judge. So, the outcome of the trial was I got no damages. However, the magazine had operated illegally. They're not allowed to do that. And the next time they do it, they would have to pay a 2,000 euro fine for each picture they stole. Basically setting a price to break the law. But at least they upheld the Creative Commons copyright. You didn't get any money? Zero.

44:37 Oh, that stinks. In fact, I had to pay my own court costs, obviously. I did the public a service, but you know, that's the way it goes. But I remember with MTV.com, when they sued me for the domain name, I contacted... in fact, that was around the same time that I met you the first time, John, when CNET Television was just starting. right and John Perry Barlow, and I spoke to him, and I said you know dude. Here's what's going on You know can EFF help me and he said no, and I was so disappointed of I've always hated the EFF since then But absolutely no desire to help me whatsoever, but this is a fundamental issue You know they gave me permission to use this and now they're suing me to take it away. You know that's fundamental This is a big deal this domain name stuff. I think there's something to it, and they just fucking flatly turn me down and

45:28 Well, they, you know, turned down a lot of weird cases and I never could figure it out. I never could figure out what the selection process is with those guys. Exactly. So that cost me a lot of money, but the outcome at the end was good. What was it? The lawsuit between MTV Networks and Mr. Curry has been settled out of court and neither party has any further comment. So you got some cash from them then, good. I guess, right? It's been settled out of court. Neither party has any further comment. Is it in there that if you said something you'd have to give them the money back? I could look at it, but that, you know, the whole no disparaging and this, we literally negotiated that. That's why I know the line. Yeah, that's the way it always works. Yeah, we negotiated. That's part of the deal. That means they paid you too much money and the part of the deal is you can't start badmouthing them.

46:21 The lawsuit between MTV Networks and Adam Curry has been settled out of court. Neither party has any further comment. The whole thing was, the only reason, if they had just fucking asked me, if they'd asked me, if they just said, hey, you know what man, you know, you left and you're starting your own company and everything, you know, can we just have the domain name back? And I would have said, could I please keep Adam at MTV.com? That's the only thing I would have asked for. And of course I tried to negotiate that into the settlement, but I wasn't able to get it. But they just ask me that that would be the only thing man is that was so nobody ever does that they just you know They get they make demands. It's weird Yeah, you know the funny thing is nowadays if it was today that this whole thing happened You wouldn't even have had a hearing the icon people or somebody would have just taken the domain away from that's right Yeah, just shut shut me down right there exactly exactly and that is kind of weird

47:19 The system is now set up so copyright holders and people with brand names have rights to anybody like you, who happen to have one of their brand names as a domain name when you don't really own the brand. I'm still waiting for someone to eventually come up and say that curry.com, we need to take that away from you. I fully expect someone to try that. Yeah, some curried guy from India. Well, no, you have curries. We're the Bombay Curry Company. We need your domain name. We're gonna do Indian accents now John. Oh, we have electricity. It will be much better. Don't get me started on my Indian accent. You know, I've always said that that's gonna be the prime, that is probably the most popular accent in the world and the people don't, they say, well you're ridiculing the Indians with that accent. I'm saying no, I'm not. I'm giving their, I mean they're the ones who have the probably

48:15 For all the English speaking people, there's more people that speak like that. And I'm honoring them. Or like a typical American and you know I see our southern guy talks like this. You know redneck guy. Oh, that's okay You know can we all do you know there's this thing your big brother started over here? It started up again, and but it's all messed up now. They have a different host and it's a For some reason they're just not positioning it the way they used to and they've changed it so that's the now you have celebrities who are playing big brother, and I just can't get into it and so

48:53 But there was a lot of controversy in the previous Big Brother series particularly one of the celebrity ones because of racist remarks and but I mean like really you know in this this went all the way to Parliament and and It's crazy John. It's it's like people just can't call each other a name anymore you know the way people do because this is the whole point of Big Brother is you know particularly with You know people just lose track of the fact that they're being watched the whole time and they become themselves and they speak the way They speak when you're not hearing them speak in public and shit slips out amongst each other You know and there was a Pakistani girl, and I think Or no she was Indian

49:36 I don't remember, it was so stupid I don't remember what it was. But it was the equivalent of saying, you know, you packy bitch or something like that. It's irrelevant. It was just like, you know, they were yelling at each other and they were saying nasty shit back and forth and this whole racist thing is just, you know, the political correctness that has gone away a bit is still really lurking pretty heavily. In that regard with what you can call people, you know, it's like take a you know, take a chill pill. You can always call them, you know, just the old generic things like asshole.

50:12 Now, let's get back to this. You just brought up something that's interesting to me. When did these reality shows, which by the way, even Mark Burnett, who's the guy who essentially invented the genre, likes to call them unscripted dramas. I disagree. I think Endemol really was the first one before Mark Burnett. Well, he's the one who popularized it with Survivor, in the United States anyway. Yeah, no, the English probably did it first. No, no, the Dutch. But he's the one who took it to a new level. And his new level was this unscripted drama, which means that you put a bunch of people in a room and then you actually... You don't have writers, but you have scenarios and you say, here's what I want you to do. I want you to throw a glass of wine in the guy's face and then leave him and, you know, ready, shoot. And then they do a bunch of ad libs, you know, essentially the people on the show are writing the show and then they say, let's try something else. Let's throw a banana at him. And then, you know, the whole thing is a fake show. They have, you know, everything's pre-done.

51:11 And I mean there's no reality here. It's just a bunch of amateur actors and And just and I just to be honest a lot of those shows It's still the editing that really really makes it work because if you if you literally did it the way you just said It would be unwatchable so watch out Right you have to there's a lot of post-production so all the money goes into that now now Now let's go back to the question that came to mind when you were discussing this other thing. When did the reality shows, because originally the reality shows, I remember the first, I think it was The Bachelor, and they had, after the whole show was over, you found out that the guy was an actor, and the woman that won was an actress, so they all won, you know, not successful.

51:52 And at some point, they switched gears and they decided, why are we getting these amateurs? Why don't we get real celebrities and put them in awkward situations? In other words, let's find some major has-beens or wannabes that are slightly on the edge of success, ice skating stars and people like that, and put them in a house. And we'll shoot it and and the heck with just having you know members of the public audition for this sort of thing Let's just go with the celebrity thing and see how people are fascinated by it when did that change? I mean when did that happen you have you been following because I know you did one of these shows and you're kind of like a celebrity so You're absolutely right and and

52:35 You know, it used to be game shows and you'd have the same type of, you know, like panel-based game shows. You'd have the same type of, I call them D-lebrities. So, you know, a rung lower than a C-lebrity. And, you know, and they'd sit on panels and sometimes, you know, something could break out. But I think it really just carried over into this new format. The big secret about show business, which I think by now, or certainly the television business, we've all kind of figured out, I mean I come from this industry so I know that really there's very few people making a lot of money outside of the corporations. But you know, people who present the news, you know, the anchor, with varying degrees obviously when you look at like the top network spot. But it's only like three or four jobs

53:24 that really pay a lot of money of all the people you see on television and Most of them are really just fucking struggling to get by because you just get paid shit money And it's like MTV people work there non-union for absolute total fucking crap money almost that you on the below the the starvation line for New York City and Just because you wanted to be a part of it. And everyone in those industries is taken advantage of in that way. Unless you've been able to get basically on that rung, right? And by the way, being a VJ is pretty much the lowest rung of the showbiz ladder. You're just holding on by your fingernails before you actually get anywhere. And everyone's looking to climb up.

54:13 And this is why they're so maniputable, first of all. That's why it's so easy for news organizations to be... the output to be controlled by just putting some... sprinkling something at the top. Because everyone is a subordinate to someone else and they just will do anything, including sucking someone's dick, to get one level higher because it is literally power, control and money. And that's what everyone is doing. So you have... show business and you're right because there's so much access, so many channels for people to appear on, people are becoming famous just for being on the television. Even if they don't actually do anything or they did one outrageous thing like they did a sex tape and they're an heiress. You know and you can build an entire career and brand out of that. So it's an industry that you can play.

55:02 And it's the entry. So you rarely will ever see a top, top-notch celebrity. But in your mind, you may think that the people who are appearing on some of these shows are... Wow, you know, why would that guy be doing that? You know, does he need the money? Well, the answer is yes, they need the fucking money, they need the exposure. Because that's how the entire system works. Now, but to say that it really started with one thing, I did my own media hacking after I saw what happened with the Osbournes, and that's been going on for a while. That was 2003, I think.

55:41 Something like that 2002 actually when they did that and the guy who who produced the Osbournes reality show Was an associate producer on the headbangers ball Greg Johnson I knew the guy really well and and it was like what a brilliant idea because he basically knew Ozzie You know and Ozzie was all fucked up and and it was it was a great. You know he was struggling need something needed to happen and And, you know, basically MTV just took advantage of a strung out, you know, drunk rock star in his 50s and their family because it's cheap-ass programming. I mean, this is the... it really is the way... there's no brilliance to it. There is just no brilliance. What is the longest-running show in American history at this moment? Do you know what that is?

56:28 What America's Funniest Home Videos it's the same fucking thing we love watching that it's the same thing hey They don't even pay for those videos. It's weird. No no the idea and they become their property even you know it's like it's not even yours anymore, so When when I when they asked me to do a reality show about my family. I'm like oh Yeah, absolutely. This would be great because I did the whole thing on Final Cut Pro and Firewire drives. I had one cameraman, I did second camera, and I had a girl who was really putting the show together. She did all the post, you know, and she was so good that I could basically just give all the material to her and she'd put it together and then I'd take a look at it and I know it would work and I even did the subtitle translations myself and it was a fantastic project.

57:16 And although everything you saw happened and it wasn't acted, you know, we really made it into a fun show to watch You know just really well post produced and your great soundtrack, you know So we turned it into it, you know something really a cool fucking edit, you know, but it really happened It's just the show was really all the other bits that pulled it together was just a product So so could you stop the tape for one second? The tape yes All right, okay, no problem quick phone call anyway, so I got my thank you for Making Maggie wait on the phone while I did my rant there still there. Yeah, you hear me. Hello. Hello. Do you hear me? Yeah, what do you call? There you go. They went into hibernation or something. Yeah, I went into hibernation screen blanks out Did you know fun did by the way this some worth discussing? It's always fascinated me. I

58:13 So we have these Windows machines and you're doing something like a download or you're doing something like the Skype that we're doing and then the machine goes to sleep. Goes to sleep because you're not touching the keyboard. Yeah. Now doesn't it know that there's activity in the ports going in and out and maybe you know it shouldn't be just shutting itself off. I'm sure that there's an API in In Windows that the application probably has to speak to to say, you know ping I'm still alive don't shut down and it's probably just Developers who just know you're probably right, but nobody puts it in well So, you know the headphones I use for this show and all my other shows know which are just barely falling apart. I

58:57 There are some pan am headphones from an airplane in the 60s made by TQ trade LTD Take a picture man. You got a blog a picture of them They sound great My daughter gives me nothing but grief about it. She's why are you using those cheap airplane headphones? You know I said because they're from pan am and You know and they have like a metal thing. They're not like the plastic junk ones that we have today I don't have junk ones dude. Oh you mean on the airplane headphones Yeah, the free ones the free ones that you you would you know ah the Virgin Atlantic has great headphones Well, I've seen it been on a couple planes that have great headphones, but it's pretty rare and noise cancelling everything

59:43 Really on virgin really yeah, yeah, they got a like electronically noise canceling you can turn the noise canceling on or off now I use The Sony MDR v600s I've used them for a long time. Yeah, those are okay I use a couple of causes usually and and You know we used to back in the back in the days of the radio everybody come on climb up on my knee Johnny I'll tell you a story we used Clark helicopter headsets Dick Clark helicopter headset and so you take off the mouthpiece but you basically. put a new... some guys didn't put in put new elements in, you know, the different speakers. You could just use the ones that were... that it came with because they really close around your ear so you wouldn't get any feedback through the mic when you were listening to your... because you know you have the mixed signal on your head, right? You hear yourself. Right, you could modulate. It was for people out there. It was for modulating your voice. Yeah, like that. And then I have another pair. This is a... what are these? Another AKG's.

1:00:45 And when you take the AKGs off, they cut off, which is pretty cool. So you don't have to turn them down if you have a pair laying around. They could produce feedback. So the minute you take them off your head, then they just cut off, which is nice. Well, the most interesting ones I have is I have a pair of Koss Electrostats. Yeah, nice. That came out in the 70s or 80s. It's like two electrostatic elements inside, extremely high resolution. Very nice. That's ribbon, right? No, electrostatic is not ribbons. I think a different technology electrostats are these these these plates that sit on top of each other and somehow produce sound I'm not sure I thought that was what because I I know a guy who had two of those huge ribbon speakers They're really flat and they have you know strips of ribbon down the front of like a ribbon

1:01:36 We need a speaker expert to send us a note explaining the difference between ribbon and electrostatic. Yeah, and don't think, by the way, that a million people have already sent us the link. Right, probably one guy will do it thinking that somebody else did. So you have more stuff on Buy and Large. I just forwarded you the email. I didn't take a look at it. I'm already not caring anymore. Sorry. I like themes. I like themes. That's why I sent you the email. You should be prepared. You come to the show without any notes? Yeah, pretty much. I got a question for you. We gotta wrap this up. It's an hour. People are getting fucking bored.

1:02:16 I promised comic strip blogger by the way. Did you hear the yo agenda show? Yeah, it's two guys I mean two guys just talking to each other you can barely understand them. They're both from you know war Dutch and he lives in Finland and comic strip bloggers Polish and lives in Germany and Well, whatever they supposed sound like they live someplace. So, you know, you know garbage dump whatever the case dude they hey, they have like their contribution is well You know these two guys are talking and you know They don't have much to say and I think the show needs to get needs work. Yeah That's what I'm like, you know, they think that we just aren't really that good. I

1:01:36 We need a speaker expert to send us a note explaining the difference between ribbon and electrostatic. Yeah, and don't think, by the way, that a million people have already sent us the link. Right, probably one guy will do it thinking that somebody else did. So you have more stuff on Buy and Large. I just forwarded you the email. I didn't take a look at it. I'm already not caring anymore. Sorry. I like themes. I like themes. That's why I sent you the email. You should be prepared. You come to the show without any notes? Yeah, pretty much. I got a question for you. We gotta wrap this up. It's an hour. People are getting fucking bored.

1:02:16 I promised comic strip blogger by the way. Did you hear the yo agenda show? Yeah, it's two guys I mean two guys just talking to each other you can barely understand them. They're both from you know war Dutch and he lives in Finland and comic strip bloggers Polish and lives in Germany and Well, whatever they supposed sound like they live someplace. So, you know, you know garbage dump whatever the case dude they hey, they have like their contribution is well You know these two guys are talking and you know They don't have much to say and I think the show needs to get needs work. Yeah That's what I'm like, you know, they think that we just aren't really that good. I

1:03:02 Yeah, they think we suck and they think that I'm just kissing your ass because you're the boss of this company pod show That's right. That's right Yeah When I'm kissing ass, it's pretty obvious and this ain't it so I've always wondered about your name Dvorak. Yeah, Dvorak. Yeah, Dvorak the origin and and obviously is there any relevance to the Dvorak keyboard No, well none that I know of. One time I said that there was, you know, that Dvorak was August Dvorak as a matter of fact. The University of Washington did the keyboard in the mid-30s, you know, based on theory. And I don't think there's any relationship there. Most of the Dvoraks came from a bunch of Czechs that moved to the country, including the famous Dvorak.

1:03:53 the composer who lived in the US for a while and I guess he sired a lot of people and You're part of his demon seed you're an officer. I have a what I have a one octave plus one key range on my hand if that means anything and You know I can hit like that fine. I got a big you know so maybe you can really stretch right okay? yeah, I can get the guy can do over the over an octave and on a piano and I'd like to say that there yeah, I like to say yeah There's some relationship because it's good for the reputation, but I have no documentation to prove it Have you ever tried a Dvorak keyboard? Yeah, they stink

1:04:37 That's the gene I have I've looked at him. You know I mean it's an interesting idea But if you're gonna dedicate yourself to devour a keyboard you can't do what I do which is roam around and you know Can I use your machine? You know and then you type you know I'm like a slow typer anyway because I kind of plod along and And especially I get on a European keyboard, it's like you gotta just almost stop because there's just enough keys changed. Yeah, like the Z and the Q and... And all the punctuation marks are moved around. Different places, yeah, punctuation moves from the number like three or two key to... Somewhere above the apostrophe. Yeah, it's pretty much. Yeah, so you look like a complete Americans on a European key, but you look like you don't even know how to type Then that's the way I feel when I'm on a Dvorak keyboard, I mean it's just not usable yeah, I

1:05:28 But there's got to be a better way. There's got to be better inputs. Someone's going to figure it out. Yeah, we should be able to just say what we want and it should type. Where's the automatic typewriter? They had one in a Star Trek show back in the 60s. Well, it turns out that shit's pretty complicated. Too complicated to do. Yeah, yeah, but their promises promises promises We've been promised all these things with these computers, and they don't deliver much except spreadsheets Which leads me to believe that you know? There is someone's gonna come up with something. There's gonna be some new way to do it You know someone's gonna figure it out. There's got to be an alternative path this one is dead. There's just no way

1:06:06 Yeah, well although you have to say you know like my son is a good example I think my daughter's gonna end up this way too, but my son's one of those I don't know what he's hitting, but it's like 160 words a minute or something you see these kids do that yeah, unbelievable. It's like Just ripping up ripping through this stuff and then two or three back spaces of course you the back The daughter's the same way and then just another screaming Yeah, I know it's unbelievable and it's all on Facebook That's all That's pretty amused I have gotten my daughter to take off her address and her phone number And I've warned her about a couple things as it you know you know these kids they and they believe it right They totally be she's you know Facebook is safe man because you can set your settings look I'll show you said no I know but how about fucking Facebook. What are those guys doing and? Yeah, no you don't want to put any real details on there you lie no and well it

1:07:08 But you know she's like you know Facebook. They're so smart because you know she works part-time You know like after-school job and on the weekends at a clothing store to real high you know one of those like Jack Wills Which is real high-end shit, and of course they just have beautiful kids roaming around helping people buy stuff. It's a great concept and she's you know our manager put together a Facebook group for so that you know we all know our times when we have to be there and you know they it really is it's a you know it's kind of like the new AOL for them or the you know the new whatever yeah yeah it's all the same stuff it's all it's it's all a new version of what's always existed you know much you know just like AOL you know and then that became the internet and now this is this and it'll become the internet again and

1:07:55 It'll open up and... Yeah, no, I think there's a lot of kids that, you know, that aren't security conscious. Oh no, no idea. No, absolutely not. And they give each other their own, their passwords all the time. That's a big cultural thing, you know. Yeah, and they even the weird part about the problem with passwords or why I don't like giving them out even when I'm alone one is that I have multiple uses I have about six passwords yeah, and I use them over and over again in different venues like it almost all my ecommerce stuff if I'm like on Doing anything that has to do with the blog I use the same password for all of it You know just just just you saying that right now is already a security risk. I

1:08:37 Yeah, I shouldn't even mention although I think anyone who's really into like hacking people know that this goes on in fact I've always believed that I'm and when I worry about this things that I would consider to be honey pots in other words I set up a site I said once you know join the site and I have to offer him something I'll give you a free something or other and then you say and here's set your name What do you want to call yourself? Give yourself a password? Yeah that password I bet that that person uses more than there and if i was like running the site i could take a car was those passwords and then you know kind of find the i p address of the person figure out who they are user password crack half their accounts

1:09:20 So, I usually, I mean, my most secure of the secure, I do have an extremely secure password that I use occasionally. But I only, rarely use it and it's only for stuff that I would really worry about. But generally speaking, you know. Securing as it's long, it's complicated, you know, it's not a password that I, and I don't like using it because it's just, it's tedious. I really like the, I have two different bank, online banks or banks that I can access online and I really love the challenge string thing. You know, you get a little reader and you punch in your code and then it gives you a challenge string and you fill that in. I like that. I wish all sites did it like that.

1:10:01 You know, don't have to... You're talking about a captcha? No, no, no, it's a physical device and you have to insert your bank card into the device. Oh. And then so in order to log into your bank account and basically, you know, you're in and you're transferring money, then so you have to enter your PIN code and then it gives you some... you'll have to enter a code from the site And then it gives you a challenge string back and some, you know, it's based on some other whatever. But it essentially, it pretty much assures that you're the one that's doing it, you know. And there's nothing to remember. It's just, oh, the only thing I have to remember is my pin code. Cool. Yeah. You know, I wish everyone did it that way. That would be just the way to do it, I think. Well, there's, you know, there's a lot to be desired with the security in these systems. Fuck yeah.

1:10:53 So I guess that's it for this week. It should be. An hour and ten minutes, I wonder. I'm sure you can pull ten minutes out of it. I'm not gonna pull anything out of it, are you crazy? You're gonna pull it, okay. No! Do you wanna be that way? What's the fast-forward for? You could probably edit this down to a fantastic ten minute show. The numbers are still going up though, John. Are they? What's our numbers? I think we do like ten thousand an episode. Really? That's not bad. No, not at all. In a real sense that should be worth $10,000. No, it would be 10 CPMs. A CPM being about 25 bucks. Yeah, that's a CPM for one ad, but in an hour and 10 minute show you should be able to do

1:11:46 multiple CPM inserts. You know, in television, you should. In television, for people out there who want to know how they budget these shows, in broadcast television, a one-hour show is worth a dollar a head in terms of what they should be able to recoup. So a one-hour show that has 10 million viewers should have a budget of $10 million for everything. Yeah, that's right. That's about it. It varies. Between 800,000 a million, but that's about right yeah, and that of course it depends on the time and the all there's a lot of there There are variables if it's prime time. It's real prime time stuff. Yeah, but that's good money. Yeah, well Yeah, we could we could do a couple ads. Yeah, we'll do them when we need to Yeah, really I burned up a lot today in the air

1:12:40 My first instructor said you know just one thing you realize you're actually burning money in the air, don't you? Uh-huh yeah, well, it's like when you go shooting with somebody you know you always hope somebody invites you because those bullets are expensive like two bucks a pop or something like that Yeah, some of these bullets are even more than that especially those big weird ones. It's crazy all right Let's wrap it up all right, okay coming to you from The United Kingdom in the Curry Manor. I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern California. And we'll talk to you next week on No Agenda. The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds in content delivery. Pacho and Limelight.