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00:01 Hey, you want a kidney? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It is Thursday, July 30th, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication, episode 117. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the minimum security containment cell known as the Crackpot Command Center in the undisclosed loft location under threat of eminent domain in Gitmo Nation West at San Francisco, California. I'm Adam Curry. and from Silicon Valley North where it's garbage pickup day. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! See how soft it was? I couldn't get to the fader in time. Sorry. That's okay. I'll fix it in post. No you won't. Yes I will. That one I will fix in post. Hey John, how you doing? Okay. Yeah, good. A little bit of equipment failure here today but we'll live.

00:58 Yeah, your MIDI controller blew up. Yeah, so my setup is so perfect, man. This little fader fox, which I have to say has been through so many TSA checks that every single time I open up my suitcase, like, okay, what knob is busted now? It's got scotch tape all over it, holding the battery pack together, and now it just finally no longer communicates with the MIDI interface, so I have to do faders by hand. I'll survive. So can you get another one? Yeah, from Germany. I have to order it. Do they still make them? Yeah, yeah, faderfox.de. They should be giving them to you for free with all that publicity. Yeah, yeah, they should. Well, we have some money so I can buy a new one. It's no problem. It's just the hassle of waiting because I won't have it before Sunday. And it just sucks because then, you know, I can't do levels. I can't do my levels.

01:52 So I got you some clips this week. Yeah, I noticed. Some? Just a few, John? Really? So there's one that maybe we should just play at the front of the show because it's kind of entertaining, but it's making me wonder exactly how much the government is getting involved in our media. Play the... and this is a clip from a 1933 movie. The gold diggers of 1933 to be specific and I want you to play this this is a little clips about I think it's about 45 50 seconds is a little long but play it because I think it's interesting to see you can see where the Propaganda has been slipped in just listen to this clip is you had dick powell?

02:34 Say, have you got something with kind of a march effect, march rhythm to it? Yes, I have. I have something about a forgotten man, but I don't have the words to it yet. Well, play it! Play it! I tell you, I just got the idea for it last night. I was down on Times Square watching those men in the bread line. Standing there in the rain waiting for coffee and doughnuts. Men out of a job, around the soup kitchen. Stop! You got me that was a good one

03:25 Well of course the media has been infiltrated, indoctrinated and owned by big business and the government for years. This was from what, 1950s you said? 1933. Have you seen the most recent Harry and Louise healthcare advertisements, John? No, I have not seen any Harry and Louise healthcare. This is a lovely little piece which I call it on C-Span as you know we have to watch lots and lots of C-SPAN. By the way, we should be getting huge donations for this torture. Yeah, we really should. Here's the setup from the C-SPAN host. It's actually pretty good. And what we thought we would do is show you the evolution of these ads, including the most recent one, a spin-off of those ads, which was released this past Thursday. Okay, so first you're going to get a pro,

04:08 Well, listen to it, because basically... Wait, wait, wait, before you play it, can you give us a little background on these ads? Because I've never seen any of them. These are the slew of health care ads that are basically promoting the Obama health care bill. And so first we get, I think it's like, for some reason it's an anti-ad. Well, you'll follow along and I'll tell you what you're actually seeing on screen. By the Democratic National Committee. Here's what they look like. Of course, they're all from the Democratic National Committee. So first they show a little bit of an anti-healthcare ad and then they start responding to it. So this is somewhere in the future. It's covered under our old plan. Oh yeah, that was a good one, wasn't it? Things are changing, and not all for the better. The government may force us to pick from a few health care plans designed by government bureaucrats. Having choices we don't like is no choice at all. If they choose... We lose.

03:25 Well of course the media has been infiltrated, indoctrinated and owned by big business and the government for years. This was from what, 1950s you said? 1933. Have you seen the most recent Harry and Louise healthcare advertisements, John? No, I have not seen any Harry and Louise healthcare. This is a lovely little piece which I call it on C-Span as you know we have to watch lots and lots of C-SPAN. By the way, we should be getting huge donations for this torture. Yeah, we really should. Here's the setup from the C-SPAN host. It's actually pretty good. And what we thought we would do is show you the evolution of these ads, including the most recent one, a spin-off of those ads, which was released this past Thursday. Okay, so first you're going to get a pro,

04:08 Well, listen to it, because basically... Wait, wait, wait, before you play it, can you give us a little background on these ads? Because I've never seen any of them. These are the slew of health care ads that are basically promoting the Obama health care bill. And so first we get, I think it's like, for some reason it's an anti-ad. Well, you'll follow along and I'll tell you what you're actually seeing on screen. By the Democratic National Committee. Here's what they look like. Of course, they're all from the Democratic National Committee. So first they show a little bit of an anti-healthcare ad and then they start responding to it. So this is somewhere in the future. It's covered under our old plan. Oh yeah, that was a good one, wasn't it? Things are changing, and not all for the better. The government may force us to pick from a few health care plans designed by government bureaucrats. Having choices we don't like is no choice at all. If they choose... We lose.

05:03 For reforms that protect what we have, call toll free. Know the facts. If we let the government choose, we lose. Right, so first they set it up with a little piece from the Coalition for Health Insurance Choices, Health Insurance Association of America, and now they start hammering against it in the same act. You've probably seen a yuppie couple named Harry and Louise on TV recently questioning the president's health care plan. Well, I thought I'd bring you up to date. You gotta know this guy is standing in a graveyard. Harry lost his job and also his insurance. Louise owned a small struggling company that couldn't afford group insurance so she'd always depended on Harry's policy. Unfortunately, she had a pre-existing condition that prevented her from obtaining new coverage. It's true, Louise should have gone into the hospital earlier but she didn't want to eat into their savings. Eventually,

05:50 She and Harry gave up their country club memberships and sold their expensive foreign cars. car but by then it was too late. And now that big reveal he's in the graveyard. Very nice service. Harry doesn't get out here much. He got a job making commercials in another state. His new company doesn't have an insurance plan and after paying off Louise's hospital bills he can't afford one. Sad story. The insurance companies say we can fix things using the same system that's always been there. That's what they told Teddy Roosevelt when he proposed the national plan almost a hundred years ago. I guess they're still working on it. Oh, hey, by the way, if you see Harry tell him to hang in there. The president's plan is just around the corner So and this goes on there's more and more you want to see it want to hear one more? Yeah, these are good So these are a couple guys playing basketball Louise Pat was just telling me his state has community rating everyone pays the same rate no matter their age even if they smoke or whatever Does it work?

06:46 My health insurance went from $1,200 to $3,200 a year. With a double? Yeah, thousands dropped their insurance. I mean, we actually have fewer covered now than before. Congress can do better than that. If we send them that message... To send Congress a message on Black community work... Right, so again, they set it up with the Health Insurance Association for America and then they come in with their own message. Call today. He said universal health care was too complicated, Louise. He said you'd never... So now they've got like a spin-off of these two in bed and they're in traction, they've got bandages all over their head and they're completely messed up. ...your job so we'd always be covered. He said what do we do when the government runs out of money? Well who's out of money now, Harry?

07:31 It's got to be a better way. Right? Wait. The guy rolls out of bed. There is a better way. Tell Congress you want what they already have. The security of affordable universal health care. And I gotta tell you that the president has been... David Wilhelm, chair of the Democratic National... Oh gosh, this chair of the Democratic National Committee, what a douche. Anyway, the president's been sending messages almost non-stop. I mean, of course, I'm on his list. Yeah, I'm not on his list. Well, I got another email from him, you know, another dear friend. Why can't I be a citizen? I'm not his friend, okay? I'm not your friend.

08:06 I'm just not. You know, I am your boss. You never met the guy. Why doesn't he just say dear boss? I would feel a lot better. Am I not his boss technically? One of his many bosses? Yeah, right. Yeah, sure. Dear friend, if you're like most Americans, there's nothing more important to you about health care than peace of mind. By Stuart Smalley. Given the status quo, that's understandable. The current system often denies insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Charges steep out of pocket fees and sometimes it isn't there at all if you become seriously ill. And then he goes into this whole thing. Okay, time to fix our unsustainable insurance system, create a new foundation for healthcare security.

08:46 Wow, it sounds like homeland security. This means guaranteeing your health. That's what they say, health land security? No, no, your health care security. This is interesting. It's a twist on words, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, that doesn't sound good. It's time to fix our unsustainable... You will do what we say. Open your mouth! It's time to fix our unsustainable insurance system, create a new foundation for health care security. This means guaranteeing your health care security and stability with eight basic consumer protections. So here they come. No discrimination for pre-existing conditions.

09:22 No exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses, deductible or co-pays, no cost sharing for preventive care, no dropping of coverage if you become seriously ill, no gender discrimination, no annual or lifetime caps on coverage, extended coverage for young adults, and guaranteed insurance renewal so long as premiums are paid. And I just found it interesting that these messages keep on coming from my friend in the White House. Well, ByteLaw just sent me a little note that's kind of interesting. It says the Democratic National Committee group is significantly expanding a health care ad buy, I guess they're the ones paying for all this crap, that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat from Nevada, last week called a waste of money.

10:14 And what's weird about that is that he would think it's a waste of money when in fact this is exactly the way you want to go about this. What do you mean? Because you want to promote the heck out of it to the public so you don't have people out there grousing. And of course the Republicans, so it surprises me that Reid would do that. But the Republicans have jumped all over, you know, they're starting to dissect the House bill. And the one they've come up with that's the most interesting, which I have a couple of clips here, there, are the one where apparently there's some provision for putting in

10:49 for some government agent to come around and ask you how you want to die. Oh yeah, this is the living will thing, right? Yeah, you want to play the clip that has... Yeah. Here he was talking about the health care plan after being asked a question by a wary caller at an ARP meeting today. I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die. This bothers me greatly and I'd like you to promise me that this is not in the spills. You know the promise that it's not in the bill because it is it isn't the bill we read it ourselves It's kind of listen to Obama not answer the question. Okay. I guarantee you first of all, we just don't have Enough government workers to send to talk to everybody. No, that's what a corn is for To find out how they they want to die. I think that the only thing that may have been proposed in some of the bills and I actually think this is a good thing and

11:54 is that it makes it easier for people to fill out a living will. So, no, no, we won't come around, we'll force you to tell us. You'll have to send it in. We'll have a website for it, I'm sure. Yeah, livingwill.gov. Now the Republicans are having a good time with this. You have to listen to this next clip, which is the Republican from North Carolina, a congressman who is fairly well along in age, named Virginia Fox. Play this clip. Republicans have a better solution that won't put the government in charge of people's health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that ensures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government. Awesome. Being put to death.

12:50 dead. Well I do have to say though, you know, there is some merit to, and this, and I've been a part of socialized medicine in the United Kingdom, socialized medicine in the Netherlands, at a certain point how long if it is socialized medicine, and this is real, this is the pro and the con of it, right? You know, sure everyone deserves to have health care. God, this sounds so much like Atlas Shrugged. It's amazing. Oh please, go back to the point. No, no, no, no, I'm, I'm sorry, it really does. At a certain point, where do you say, okay, we're going to focus the money towards keeping this person alive on life support and strung into machines versus

11:54 is that it makes it easier for people to fill out a living will. So, no, no, we won't come around, we'll force you to tell us. You'll have to send it in. We'll have a website for it, I'm sure. Yeah, livingwill.gov. Now the Republicans are having a good time with this. You have to listen to this next clip, which is the Republican from North Carolina, a congressman who is fairly well along in age, named Virginia Fox. Play this clip. Republicans have a better solution that won't put the government in charge of people's health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that ensures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government. Awesome. Being put to death.

12:50 dead. Well I do have to say though, you know, there is some merit to, and this, and I've been a part of socialized medicine in the United Kingdom, socialized medicine in the Netherlands, at a certain point how long if it is socialized medicine, and this is real, this is the pro and the con of it, right? You know, sure everyone deserves to have health care. God, this sounds so much like Atlas Shrugged. It's amazing. Oh please, go back to the point. No, no, no, no, I'm, I'm sorry, it really does. At a certain point, where do you say, okay, we're going to focus the money towards keeping this person alive on life support and strung into machines versus

13:32 You know someone who has their entire life before them and need maybe a kidney transplant I'm just trying to balance it out and in these socialized medicine systems. They do have a cutoff point It's just like yeah, no, I know in England. They've supposedly just want people to drop dead. Well, it's not quite that bad I mean they want everyone to drop dead because there you have it if you need an emergency support procedure it's like two month waiting list I mean it's completely messed up their entire health care system. Yeah but in England can't you you can hire a doctor to do it? Yeah you can do it privately you can do anything you want privately. Yeah so what's wrong with that? No there's nothing wrong with hiring privately it's just the national health care system the NHS you know they do have certain I don't know what they are but they do have certain cut off points it's just like I'm sorry you know we've no life for you!

14:21 No service for you! And then it's just over. So you have to accept that. If you're going to accept a national health care plan, you have to accept that that's a part of it. That makes total sense to me and I don't think anyone can really argue the fairness of it. We all have to die at a certain point. Well, you know, if Obama doesn't do anything else, he's actually going to get this one of these, he's going to get some health care system. And no matter how much they fight it, I think it's over. I think the Republicans are on the wrong side of the debate. And it's just over it, because it is ridiculous. Even though they had it, one of the guys came up, I had the clip, but it was actually turned out to be kind of boring and specious. But one of the congressmen came out, you know, in Congress, in the House, they have these one minute, like the speak, the one minute period where they make an announcement. We will now listen to one minute speeches. And so one guy after another comes up with some... What can you do in one minute?

15:16 Well, apparently quite a bit. You can do a whole ad. Okay, do you have one of those one-minute ads? No, I'm just saying, I mean, most ads on the TV are one minute and they're pretty tight. And these guys run it, they give him a few minutes, you know, a few seconds one way or the other, but there's basically a quick little, they want to make a comment. And then this guy shows that that 44 million uninsured is a bogus figure, but you know, some of the way he presented it was a little dubious. Right, because they're saying that 20 million are illegal aliens and you know, they have all these different figures. Yeah, of course. So the point is though, is that, you know, some system has to be, because these guys are getting free health care anyway.

15:52 You know, and the fact that prisoners are getting, you know, there's somebody sent me an interesting thing that was said in California. This is a good number. And I don't have a clip for it. It's just a good number. In California, we spend $800 million for health care, for inmates, for ex cons, ex cons, for ex cons. Wow. That gives Cobra a whole new meaning. So I mean, it just says, I mean, they're spending 800 million, because they don't want the, I don't know what the thinking is, but we spend almost a billion in healthcare for ex-cons in the state of California. So I mean, this is ridiculous. Everybody gets healthcare, but people who are normal working people. People, the guys in the office, they have to, unless their company has it, but then if they get laid off in a situation like we have today, where there's 15% unemployment in California at least,

16:46 and you have uh... you know what they do then if they can catch something and have to go in for a procedure images ridiculous so basically what you're saying is you believe that some form of health care bill will pass Yeah, absolutely. Because they're really putting the pedal to the metal on this thing. And that's what makes me wonder what Harry Reid's up to. Because that's, first thing, if I was Obama's boys, I'd get that guy out. He shouldn't be questioning him. Hey man, you're not on the program. We need to break your pinky like the rest of them so you can be a part of our show.

17:21 You know, he's not playing along. I did find it interesting, I think it was the same Byte Law you get information from from time to time. He sent an email to the president about, unrelated, about Second Amendment rights and he received an actual personalized email. He got a Dear John stack. Yeah, and it's a whole different reply to address. It's no reply dash WH PC at Whitehouse gov that the White House presidential Correspondent so there is a way to get to a reply of course sends it into it a big bucket Yeah, of course, but still you know to get a personalized email back That's you know, there is a way apparently to get a little bit deeper into the system. Yeah, maybe if you're a lawyer That's right by law About the lawyers. Yeah, that does kind of make sense, doesn't it?

16:46 and you have uh... you know what they do then if they can catch something and have to go in for a procedure images ridiculous so basically what you're saying is you believe that some form of health care bill will pass Yeah, absolutely. Because they're really putting the pedal to the metal on this thing. And that's what makes me wonder what Harry Reid's up to. Because that's, first thing, if I was Obama's boys, I'd get that guy out. He shouldn't be questioning him. Hey man, you're not on the program. We need to break your pinky like the rest of them so you can be a part of our show.

17:21 You know, he's not playing along. I did find it interesting, I think it was the same Byte Law you get information from from time to time. He sent an email to the president about, unrelated, about Second Amendment rights and he received an actual personalized email. He got a Dear John stack. Yeah, and it's a whole different reply to address. It's no reply dash WH PC at Whitehouse gov that the White House presidential Correspondent so there is a way to get to a reply of course sends it into it a big bucket Yeah, of course, but still you know to get a personalized email back That's you know, there is a way apparently to get a little bit deeper into the system. Yeah, maybe if you're a lawyer That's right by law About the lawyers. Yeah, that does kind of make sense, doesn't it?

18:13 Okay, you want to do some more of these clips because I got plenty of other stuff to talk about Well, what else is on the list there? Well on the on the clip list or I have something in the clip list Okay on the clip list by the way, just a quick one on a little a little ditty on the health care reform according to the United Kingdom to the Daily Mail of the United Kingdom, I'm sorry, a Botox tax could be introduced for the sleeping health care reforms demanded by President Barack Obama. Patients seeking cosmetic surgery including breast implants, liposuction and nose jobs could be forced to pay an extra 10% on their bill.

18:54 Well, I think that the liposuction nose jobs and breast implants, they should get a tax credit. I think you should get a bonus. Less ugly people. Hot looking chicks. Exactly. A tax credit. It's good for the national... brings the national... brings the national... brings our attitudes back to... Yes, exactly. All right, I've got... We might want to play Chris Matthews who rants about that crazy provision. I never saw him go off on something like this. Well that's how hot it's getting. Lois Hermano, Jonathan Martin. Lois, your thoughts about this debate? About the living will provision, right?

19:36 In the energy bill, energy and commerce version of the health care bill in the energy and commerce committee. Wait a minute, wait. The energy portion of the health care bill? What am I missing here? Yeah, you know, you see the problem is, yeah, you know, these bills, they go to committee and then they get passed by committee, but some of them have so many different kinds of provisos that they have to go to another committee. Like if, for example, they're asking for a lot of money, it's got to go to the finance committee. or if they're asking for something, I don't know why the energy committee is involved, but for some reason the bill had to go through there and then when they get a hold of it they start adding more crap to it. Energy stuff. We should have our own committee, John. We should be a committee in government. We could add all kinds of cool stuff, like the Botox credit. That would be a really good one for us to add. It was put in this provision by Earl Blaunauer from Oregon. Bluenauer. Bluenauer. It's there, it stands.

20:27 blowing our blue in the blue the way that you're at all that you are now provision which allows you get counseling every five years or so i wonder what the hell this provisions doing in a bill that's aimed at people who are younger it's not about medicare recipients people over sixty five why we'd want to be visited every five years by somebody to talk about how you want to die i think it's crazy this is in there but your thoughts but it's not in there i mean basically It is in there. It's in the bill. It's in the Dingle bill. First of all, Chris, Chris, first of all. Who is that? Who is that talking to? Oh, she's a Washington Post reporter. And she's saying it's not in the bill? Did she read it? That's what she said. She says it's not in the bill and then she kind of backed off and says, well, it's kind of in the bill. And then she said, just to summarize it, then she said, well, it's already in the Medicaid and Medicare bills or they're in that law. And he says it's got nothing to do with it. And he goes off on her. He was like really irked about this.

21:23 Okay, okay, so what's on the clip list? I've got Paulson one and two who? I've got the thing I read it was in Huffington Post saying that they got you know Paulson got called up because of some email or some crazy things that were you know they they were going through the email and they found some this and that the other thing and then I heard this Paulson one the Paulson to the B clip which I was just actually very flabbergasted by play this this is Jackie Spear and it could in a in a in a hearing where they're ripping Paulson a new one do you use email

22:02 Do I use email? No, I don't. Do you use Hotmail? Do you use Gmail? I use it personally. You don't use it personally or professionally? Yeah, I just don't. So I've never used it for any business communications. Just never use it. So while you were Secretary of the Treasury, you never used email? No. How did you communicate with people? telephone I don't use email okay that that hey that's your government at work folks I don't use email Oh check the calendar Paulson he's just yeah really hello 2009 calling

22:39 It's just so he can say that whatever emails they find, he didn't write them, right? That's why he's saying that lying sack of shit. So he's the worst. If you want to play another Paulson clip, play the first one where they... You know, there's another one which I'll play maybe on Sunday or the next week, which is actually really funny, but this one here is not bad. This Paulson 1A. Paulson, who was a thief, a scoundrel, stealing our money for his buddies. If the people of America didn't create the problem, who created the problem? If the people of America didn't create the problem. You said the people of America didn't create the problem So tell us who created it. Well, just so people know who are living in foreign countries if you didn't understand this is our former Finance minister essentially Secretary of the Treasury of the United States ex Goldman Sachs CEO I

23:26 My pinkies getting even more crooked. Were the banks involved? Well, I would say this. This was, this problem, there's so much blame to go around, you, it's hardly... Well give us a few, give us a few. Give me a try. It's like he's at the principal's office, isn't it? It's like, why don't you just give me a try. A few institutions. Excesses have been building up for a very long time. I just want you to give me some names. I have a limited amount of time. Would we include the banks? Would we include Goldman? Would we include AIG? Would we include anyone who got sharp funds? You could say financial institutions, regulators, investors.

24:07 So there was plenty of mistakes by a vast multitude. You'd be interested in knowing that in a financial services committee yesterday, all the banks were represented and they, almost to the person, indicated that they weren't responsible for this. That's the punchline. It doesn't really matter. It's all after the fact. I love it. Man, they've already stolen all our money. Yeah, the money's already stolen. This is like what happened in Russia after the fall of communism. All the gold resources, they all disappeared. Yeah, really? Well, I've got some of it. Yeah, you have a piece. I got a little piece. Want to talk about the Earth for a second? The Earth? Yeah, the Earth. You're talking about like the planet Earth? Yeah, the planet. You know, the thing that we walk around on?

24:55 Okay, um weather experts. This is coming to us from what's this fine publication? I'll find out for a second weather experts are Contemplating a new mystery of the deep blue sea why it's been deeper than usual at high tide all along the east coast for the past several weeks since June tides have been running six inches to two feet above what would normally be expected and even considering seasonal and lunar fluctuations. Mike Zabetos, director of NOAA's Tide and Current Program in Silver Spring, Maryland says, right now we're trying to get a better understanding of what's the cause, but he says, global warming is not to blame. This is something else and they do not know what it is. Six inches to two feet higher than normal, John. Well maybe something's lifting up in the ocean floor.

25:54 I mean it's clear we know that something is changing, we know that the magnetic poles are reversing, there's all kinds of magnetic stuff taking place in the southern hemisphere probably partially responsible for some of these aircraft systems frying out. There's a lot of stuff going on but it amazes me that this is not like massive news. What's even more amazing to me It would have been massive news if he would have said global warming. Well that's the point. Why aren't the global warming jabronis jumping on it? This is perfect. You know, this is the perfect thing. All the polar ice caps are melting, the tide is rising. Why aren't they doing that? This seems like a perfect one to jump on. Well because apparently somebody came out with some proof that it's got nothing to do with anything. Well actually it just says scientists.

26:41 I love that reporting. Scientists say as the rise was too sudden for it to be global warming. But it's something that's sudden, it's something that's just popped up really quickly. Six inches to two feet, that seems like quite a bit. So, uh... You're underwhelmed. Give me Napolitano because this NLE09 has been going on. First I was listening to this and I'm thinking, here's the punchline I'll give in the back. Is this actually Napolitano or is this Tim Riley? Who's Tim Riley? He's the publisher of all these computer books. You mean Tim O'Reilly? No, it's Tim Riley. There's no O'Reilly. I thought it was O'Reilly. No, you're thinking of the O'Reilly Report.

27:28 I'm thinking of O'Reilly's bar, I think. Hold on. American hotels were the target of bombings in Jakarta that killed eight people and injured six Americans. Six Americans were among the 164 people killed in the attacks in Mumbai in November of 2008. Three Americans were among the 54 killed in the attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad in September of 2008. So if 9-11 happened in a Web 1.0 world, terrorists are certainly in a Web 2.0 world now. And many of the technological tools that expedite communication today were in their infancy or didn't even exist in 2001. Oh really? What?

28:17 They didn't even exist. Specifically, she's Web 1.0, the terrorist in Web 2.0. BitTorrent. What has she been reading? BitTorrent. BitTorrent didn't exist in 2001. That's what they're using. This woman is unbelievable. I mean really, really unbelievable. The AFP reports a couple of quotes from her. Our Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. You just gotta love this woman. She is urging a much broader society response in which the public helps curb a growing phenomenon of so-called homegrown terrorism. This is part of that plan of Obama to create a militia. Yeah, and let me tell you about the militia.

28:59 Here's a quote, there's actually an important role we can play in educating even our very young about watching for and knowing what to do. Oh brother yeah. It's our kids. If you're in an airport you see a package left with no one around. However, she's not advocating a culture of spying on one another. Oh no, we have to be careful. We need to strike a balance. As an example we have to be respectful of mosques and other Islamic institutions. We have to be very careful about profiling a religious institution just as we have to be careful about profiling individuals. We have to be very, very careful about interfering with the free exercise of religion.

29:45 But you know to tell people that we have to educate our very young to be wary. I mean what happened to innocence man? What happened to just riding around on your bike as a kid and just goofing off? Now we got to like be aware. No goofing off kids, no goofing off. Back to work. Hey you six-year-old, I'm gonna need to report that paper sack that's sitting over there with somebody's lunch in it. It's horrible. It's really, really hard. Is she just justifying the entire means for the existence of her department? What is this? What is this about? This woman stupefies me. Well, the whole department should be disbanded. Unfortunately, it's too late. This is typical of government, by the way. You set something up, oh, it's only going to be here when we need it, and that's it. It just takes over. It does everything it can to grow and grow and grow and get bigger and bigger and bigger because the bigger it gets, the higher the pay for the guy at the top.

30:39 Or the gal. Of course the national level exercise 09 is in full force this week, which we talked about on Sunday. And there's been actually some stuff I want to talk about at the end of the show because what's going on in New Jersey and is completely underreported is pretty amazing. I'm really just going to keep that until the end. Is it really? Okay. Yeah, I want to keep that to the end. But I want to send you this clip, John. This is a YouTube clip. And this kind of, this is the scariest thing I have seen. Hold on. Let me see if I can get you the link. This is the scariest thing I have seen in

31:23 years, although it did happen on a US carrier, there you go, flight 857 from San Francisco to Shanghai. So the aircraft arrives at Pudong airport, pulls into the gate, passengers are requested to remain seated, and then these five or six guys in complete white containment suits walk onto the plane, so they're completely covered in white, they've got their goggles on, and they have these radar thermometer guns, and they point them at each person's forehead and read their temperature to see if they have swine flu. But look at the video, man, it will freak you out!

32:01 You guys send me a link. I just I just skype you the link take a look at it Yeah, I want you to see I want to hear your reaction because you look at that you're like oh my god It's a fucking science fiction movie. It's Sounds like this guy's in the Star Wars. It looks it looks just like what do you call those guys the the sentries or whatever? I can't remember their name somebody in the chatroom knows you know the guys in the white. Yeah, are you looking at the clip? Yeah, I am It looks like somebody did this, this is bullshit. No, that's not bullshit. That's real. Look at the clip. Really look at it. That's not bullshit. That's a full aircraft. I think there's somebody who's punked. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

32:39 Why is this the stupidest thing I've ever seen? It looks like they're gonna shoot everybody. You know, let's do this with these phony guns at first and then we'll come in with real guns and wipe these people out. That's what it looks like. It's a practice. I think it's first of all, I don't think it's a you can't punk stuff like that on an airplane. You just can't do that stuff. It just doesn't work that way. Not while you're at the gate. You don't have five guys in white suits come in with radar guns. I think you could manage it. No, I don't think so. You have some fake credentials. You get a couple people with cameras. This is too well shot. No, it's not. It's just on a regular camcorder. People get good video all the time. And then these guys come in and they

33:19 Shoot the gun at a few people and then they leave and next thing you know it's all over the place. This is ridiculous. Alright, you can find it in the show notes at noagenda.mevo.com. I'll blog it too. You can catch it on devorek.org. I have the video up. And noagendashow.com is also working now that resolves to our Squarespace site. And as we were talking last week about S.666 and the bioterrorism bill and all of this money that was appropriated years ago, I ran across yet another fine... Ooh, John, did I just lose you? How did that happen? Let's see if we can call him back. Oh! Whoops! That doesn't sound too good.

34:08 Let's pull the plug on these two assholes. You can just see the guys at the AT&T headquarters saying exactly that. Hey, fuck them, let's get them now, dude. So I was about to talk about the bioterrorism funding that was set up a couple years ago. We talked about this on Sunday. And who was it? Was it Joe Lieberman? who sponsored that original bill and you know so they got all this money and I bumped across us John we are so in the wrong business dude because I was looking at you know dude I was looking at what kind of money was being appropriated towards vaccine companies for the of course for the swine flu

34:51 This is a site that is just unbelievable. The DTRA. Have you ever heard of this organization? No. Okay, DTRA.mil. It is the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. the combat support agency of the US Department of Defense assigned with the mission of safeguarding the United States and its allies from weapons of mass destruction and of course it defines WMD as chemical biological radiological nuclear nuclear and high-yield explosive weapons by providing capability... pipe bomb now qualifies yeah and you see the amount of money being handed out to this this one outfit AVI

35:35 Forget the name of it. Shoot. Well, this is like the 18 million dollar website that you know, simple website 18 million. These companies are it is a business, but the company's expertise is not in actually doing anything any better than anybody else can do. But it's in getting the contracts. I mean it's an art to be able to get these contracts and they're huge contracts and you just essentially bilk the government. It's billions of dollars and you're right, it is, you know, they explain exactly how you get one of, how you get in on the program, how you get one of these contracts and they're just outrageous and just the amount of money being spent particularly on the H1N1 virus which is coming from this organization.

36:25 It's just astounding. Yeah, absolutely. That's probably what we should be doing. So this relates directly, actually the name of the company... AVI BioPharma. Yeah, AVI BioPharma. Did you find the page? No, ByteLaw sent it to me. Okay, because here's something, and I haven't been able to source this properly, so take it for what it's worth, but this is how President Obama Ties into a lot of what's happening with swine flu on the back end So I'm just gonna read some of this verbatim to you. So

37:03 So George W. Bush announced the international partnership on avian and pandemic influenza at the UN General Assembly on September 14, 2005. So that's when in effect the United States under United Nations law and the World Horseshit, World Health Organization. World Horseshit Organization. That's the new name. Wait, don't say that man. I don't want to get disconnected again. So, you know, we are under WHO law in the event of a pandemic emergency which in effect is now in place according to the constitution of the World Health Organization. Whenever they say everyone must be vaccinated, we apparently have to do it. And of course we're at threat level 6 so we're there now. Earlier that year, in April 2005, and this is the part that I have not sourced and there's a couple more things so I'm not saying it's true but it's interesting.

37:56 Barack Obama, then as a senator, introduced the first comprehensive bill to deal with the bird flu threat. That was the Avian Act. According to reports, Obama made significant investments in biotech companies involved in the development of bird and swine flu. Less than two months after ascending to the United States Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his political donors. One of the companies was this AVI Biopharma and that started to develop a drug to treat the avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about 5,000 of its shares, Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

38:45 He put $50,000 to $100,000 into an account at UBS, which his aid say was recommended to him by his friend George W. Haywood, who was a major investor in Skyterra and AVI Biopharma. Within two weeks of his purchase of the biotech stock, February 22nd, Obama initiated what he has called, quote, one of my top priorities since arriving in the Senate, and that was a push to increase federal financing to fight avian flu. I mean this just goes on and on and on and on. Well that's such a conflict of interest that I can't imagine somebody's not looking into it. Well again since you know it really hasn't been been sourced very well but I can give you just a here's a quick overview which I like. April 28th 2005 Obama introduces the Avian Act S 969. Senator Obama introduced the first comprehensive bill to address the threat of an avian influenza influenza pandemic.

39:42 Then he warns of a flu pandemic in 2005 on June 6th. released by Barack Obama and Richard Lugar. Do you know who he is? Yeah, Richard Lugar, Dick Lugar, he's one of the senators. Okay. It is essential for the international community led by the United States to take decisive action to prevent a pandemic. What should we do? Recently the World Health Organization called for more money and attention to be devoted to effective preventative action appealing for $100 million, accelerating research into avian flu vaccines and antiviral drugs is what we need to do. So, and then you look at the money that came from the, I'm spacing on it for a second, is one of these like, not urban health initiatives, something else that he sponsored. That money went directly to AVI BioPharma. So we need work to do. I'm telling you, this whole Swine Flu thing is all about the money. It's not about killing anybody. It's about the money and testing adjuvants. Simple.

40:40 And then they obviously give a lot of money to the WHO and then that stupid woman that runs it who, by the way, if you get to ever see her speak, she seems like an out and out idiot. Yeah, Chan, isn't that her name? Yeah. And she, I mean, if you ever watch the old Matt TV show and you ever saw Miss Swan, this is this woman. So, anyway, they give him a lot of money and they say, you know, back channel said, look, if you crank up the, you know, we got a bunch of people making this stuff, we gotta give them some reward. So can you make it a level six threat? What is her background? Where is this Margaret Chan from? I think she was in either China.

41:23 I think she's from China and she was one of the investigators or the head of Hong Kong's health department. She's got the background of doing stuff in the health industry as a bureaucrat. So executives from Baxter, of course that's the company that tried to slip the virus into a regular flu shot, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi Pasteur all have seats on the advisory group that recommended on July 13th mandatory H1N1 vaccination of everyone in all 194 countries that belong to the World Health Organization. Gee, I wonder why they do that. And this is a report just released and Dr. Margaret Chan did not give the press briefing herself in Geneva. It was Dr. Marie Paul Kleine

42:18 who stepped in to announce that, quote, vaccines will be needed in all countries. so i a m system money grab now this is the thing my wife pointed out to me was the fact that the w eight we've made some sort of an agreement that the country has made an agreement with the w h o and if they declare some sort of an epidemic which they pretty much have and say that we have to have a vet a shot in the united we by because of the treaty we have to require said despite the fact that it's unconstitutional to require it's a vaccination in the united states of america but because of the treaty there's some way they're going to try to force us to take a shot. Right, that's what I just said. Everyone who joins with the... Yeah, that's what you just said, but I'm just saying... Say it again. Just give your wife credit for what I just said. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So, here's what's going to happen. Somebody's going to have to challenge this immediately and get it into the court system as fast as they can so it gets up to the Supreme Court so they can say this is unconstitutional, you can't do this.

43:18 I don't care what agreement you made. You can't have, you know, this is like, this has always bothered me by the way. The non-disclosures have always irked me because they're against the First Amendment rights. I mean, if I had... What non-disclosure are you talking about now? This is like in any corporation or if you're working for somebody, you get these agreements, these non-disclosures. You say that you will never say anything about this. There's a contract. But when can a contract violate the basic Constitution? It's an illegal contract. There's no way that I can sign my rights to say something away in the United States of America. It's bull. Wait a minute, but boy, aren't you allowed to enter into private contracts? Isn't that part of the Constitution? Yeah, but I can do anything I can say. I'm going to do this and that and the other thing, but there's no way they're going to be able to sue me. I can't have, okay, if that's true, then why don't I enter it in a private contract for slaves?

44:13 It's a private contract. I brought these guys over from Africa. They signed here and they said they'd be slave. No problem What do you think all those people at me vo are dude? What's up with you? Shh quiet now I'm just telling you that would what's the difference? What's the difference between a non-disclosure and an agreement to be a slave? How is it constitutional? So how's it constitutional? We are forced to take vaccines Well, we've discussed this on the show John and you've heard this guy's it all the time I just get more irked about every time it comes up So who is going to challenge this? This is a very good question. Who is going to stand up and challenge it considering that just about every single politician in the system, one way or another, is tied into Big Pharma? I'll buy your argument that this is all about money and I think most of the middle layer, maybe even the edges of the middle layer of what's going on here, it is all about greed and money, but at the same time it is kind of dangerous.

45:09 You know, I think they do want to use the public as a guinea pig, that's for sure. Well, the public is, but it's gotten so bad, the public is willingly giving themselves up as guinea pigs to get in line. You know, if the public is that dumb, let them do it. I mean, the point is that the forced ones are the ones that are somewhat irksome. If you play the clip, here's a clip for you, and the clip list, there's one, look for one that says... Swine Flu Coming Back? They should stay home from school for seven days at least if it looks like they have swine flu. And people who are sick should actually wear masks at home. Also wash- You imagine.

45:49 Honey, you can't kiss me, I'm wearing my mask. I'm wearing masks at home. This idiot is on the CBS local news telling us about swine flu and this is a... Tell me there's more. Tell me there's more. It's a punchline. Sneeze and cough into your sleeve. Sneeze and cough into your wife's mouth. That's much fun. Not your hand. Vaccines are also going to be available, but you must get one for the seasonal flu and a separate one for the swine flu, which is two shots. to the head. We'll be gearing up for on-site vaccination programs in probably about 40 schools in Contra Costa. We'll be doing drive-through vaccine. Drive-through vaccine? Wait, you drive through and... Hey kids, hang your arm out the window! Hang your arm out the window. Here we go. Thank you, can I have another? Programs for the public in shopping centers beginning in November.

46:45 In the meantime, the health departments are working with each other and the school districts to track absences. If another kid gets it, then we'll just bring him home and he'll be fine. We'll kill him at home. I think a lot of the media... This guy is the public and listen to what he says. A lot of the media around it has been around the fear of what it might be as opposed to what the flu turned out to be. It turns out the swine flu isn't more dangerous than the seasonal flu but it's also here to stay. Won't be going away. We expect it's coming back in the fall with larger numbers. What we hope is that it doesn't come back with more severity.

47:27 So here's what you gotta be careful of. The most recent vaccination that they tried to roll, and John I am really buying into your money argument of course. I was hammering time and time again about this Gardasil, this HPV vaccine which apparently would prevent your daughters from getting cervical cancer which of course has been proven that it's not 100% effective, it didn't go through all the clinical trials, it was rushed through, it was rolled out in almost exactly the same fashion

48:07 with a fear-based campaign, getting mothers and fathers to take their young daughters to get this frickin shot, and now a federal report, oh gee whiz, has concluded that the HPV vaccine Gardasil has a 400% higher rate of adverse effects than any other comparable vaccine. Yeah, duh. Because they probably had adjuvants in it. We haven't looked into it, but I'm sure it was a beta test. And they just roll, and they even want boys to take this test, this vaccine now for cervical cancer. Are you nuts? It's hilarious. Are you nuts? Well, maybe you could grow a cervix when you get older, you never know. But listen, researchers considered Gardasil and Minactra equivalent for the purposes of comparison because Minactra is a anti-meningitis shot.

48:54 So they compared the two because they're given to similar age groups at similar frequencies. The study concluded Gardasil was associated with twice as many emergency room visits, four times as many deaths, and four times as many heart attacks, seven times as many disabled reports, and 15 times as many strokes. Reported cases of blood clots, heart attacks, all associated with Gardasil, and none of that happened, or almost none of it happened with any other drugs. You know and and and people just take their kids take them take him to the doctor let it let that needle slip right in it's nuts Nobody pays attention anymore. No, the news is not reporting on it because they're complacent. They're a part of it They're part of the system because the drug companies are the one of the biggest advertisers in the world right now. Thank you exactly How can welcome me vo doesn't have any good pharma advertisers? What the fuck is that? Can we at least get some of that money?

49:50 But you don't have anybody that's got the right, you know, this is all Rolodex's, right? You just gotta find some guy with the drug company Rolodex who could probably, you know, make the company a billion dollar company overnight. Hey, if you know anyone in the pharma industry, we'll be happy to make a show. Like two to the arm, it's good kids. Come on, we can do that, John, we'll do that show. It's good for you kids. Vote for jobs! Wait a minute... Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Meanwhile the US Census Bureau... That never gets old. Does not. The US Census Bureau came out with...

50:33 With what they predict will be the change in population. So they do a chart from 1950 to 2050. It's a beautiful thing, John. Let me just Skype you this link. I love it when government backs up my crackpot theories. So starting 2012 there's a significant decline in world population. It really goes from about 8 billion to, oh I don't know, close to 4 billion. Someone's on the list. What's that all about? Look at this, look at this, look at this. Well it's because you know the Chinese only having one child without having to pay extra taxes.

51:13 And although the way Glenn Beck puts it, they grab the extra child and kill him. They take him out, take him on the back. By the way, Glenn Beck has been in the news to an extreme this week, which I want to discuss for a second after you're done with this little bit. But there's that thing going around which we blogged, which is the world population being able to fit the whole thing into Texas and this guy says do the math. And so I did the math by the way. Alright, so we have to put this in the show notes because it is a very interesting YouTube clip. And so again, the premise is the entire world population could have a house and all fit with their house in the state of Texas. Yeah.

50:33 With what they predict will be the change in population. So they do a chart from 1950 to 2050. It's a beautiful thing, John. Let me just Skype you this link. I love it when government backs up my crackpot theories. So starting 2012 there's a significant decline in world population. It really goes from about 8 billion to, oh I don't know, close to 4 billion. Someone's on the list. What's that all about? Look at this, look at this, look at this. Well it's because you know the Chinese only having one child without having to pay extra taxes.

51:13 And although the way Glenn Beck puts it, they grab the extra child and kill him. They take him out, take him on the back. By the way, Glenn Beck has been in the news to an extreme this week, which I want to discuss for a second after you're done with this little bit. But there's that thing going around which we blogged, which is the world population being able to fit the whole thing into Texas and this guy says do the math. And so I did the math by the way. Alright, so we have to put this in the show notes because it is a very interesting YouTube clip. And so again, the premise is the entire world population could have a house and all fit with their house in the state of Texas. Yeah.

51:58 Is this actually true? Yeah, actually it's true by about 0.1 billion people. And what happens if we all flush the toilet at the same time? Does Texas explode? Yes, Texas is flushed. You can't live that close together. There's no infrastructure. It doesn't actually work unless you're living in mud huts. If you multiply the number of townhouses per acre, which is generally considered to be 35 per acre and you multiply it by the 170 or plus million acres in Texas, technically you have about 6.8 billion people that are possible to be shoved into Texas. Now of course there's no grocery stores or room for malls or anything else. All that important stuff like Best Buy. The people in the middle of this country, of the state, especially when they get warmed up a little bit, probably dead.

52:52 But technically you could jam them all into Texas in a normal-sized townhouse and you could get the entire world's population into the state of Texas, technically. Okay, technically. But there are some calculations. Which means there's a lot of room for growth. There's some calculations you need to make for infrastructure. grocery stores. Yeah, grocery stores, Best Buy, Radio Shack, you know all the stuff that we really need along with I don't know plumbing. Although now if you think about it, now think about this, hell with the town, this is townhouses. If you did high-rises you could probably put the infrastructure in there because you'd have plenty of room.

53:33 Instead of 35 houses, single family dwellings per acre, you could probably shove a thousand people or two thousand people in an acre. Okay, and where do we grow all the food to feed these people? You could probably still have, well, the rest of the country is all agriculture now. And where do we go on vacation by the way and you run that that that road that goes from Mexico to Canada? I'm shipping you to Texas screw you you're the first to start I'm getting you one of those high-rise plastic coffins We can stack those on top of each other beautifully in Texas. Just telling you a nice note from a gitmo nation South southern hemisphere from Simon he translated an official note from the Secretary of Health in Brazil

54:16 Tuesday, July 28th, recommended to the public and private schools to postpone the return of lessons until the 17th of August. This measure has as an objective to reduce the transmission of the H1N1 virus. Oh yeah. I called Christina yesterday and said have they delayed the opening of your school yet? She says not yet but she'll... Wait, wait, wait. Kenneth, the information has to be reinterpreted at least on this basis. It's the middle of winter in Brazil. So they may have some logic for doing this because it's the middle of winter and it's the flu season in Brazil. Good point. It's not the flu season around here or England. Good point. I'm down with that. But still, I had another funny swine flu note from maybe it was from Argentina. Hold on, let me see if I can find it. Well, you do look for it. Let's see what other clips we got.

55:22 You only have one more I think that you haven't played yet. I'll tell you what we have we have Inida Climate change maybe that's India climate change and we have all just play. That's a real clue says We're talking a little bit about some of this that just is a real quick clip. This was a taken There's not much publicity Everybody who knows about the climate change bill that that's being honest about knows that if we implement it We're gonna be the only country in the world that does and the countries that are the super big polluters like India and China the rest they say screw you we think this thing is a bunch of bull and

55:59 and this is what the head of India's environmental department, he's the head of the environment guy. Does he actually say screw you to a bunch of bull? Almost. India's position is, I'd like to make it clear and categorical, India's position is that we are simply not in a position to take on legal binding emission reduction targets. Developing countries like India don't want to be forced to slow growth in the name of reducing emissions. Which is almost what a lot of it sounds like, like it really is about slowing growth of the brick nations. Well and us. No for us it's just taking more of our money away.

56:45 Yeah, we've already slowed growth. What am I thinking? We got no growth. We really don't. What is unemployment up to now? 16% real unemployment? Real unemployment. Unemployment number, that's I think it's called D6 or something like that. David Guargalia sends us a quick report from soon to be Gitmo nation, tropical south. Yesterday I was watching the news here in Brazil, it seems the government agency that is, and again it's winter there, that is a rough equivalent of the FDA has approved a batch of Tamiflu about one year over its due date to be used in public hospitals. The report said the maker asked the government to use this batch after it tested samples for stability and concluded that it's still in good condition. This has actually happened in the states. I've received a number of reports.

57:32 from hospital personnel who say look we have Tamiflu with an expiration date and we're being told that it's still okay to use it. I don't know if that's typical John, you being a medical doctor by former profession? That's one thing I didn't get to be. But as a chemist I can tell you that half these things have an expiration date that's premature. Luckily most doctors are asking the patients to ignore the government and to request pills still inside the validity period and then David goes on to say on the other hand who cares about that when Taylor Swift is finally here in Brazil to help us with her Wowing music and he sent us a nice picture of the supermarket with some of the tabloids with Taylor Swift on the cover. Which has the Taylor Swift clip handy for people who haven't heard it. I don't have that handy, well maybe I could find it somewhere.

58:19 Oh man. So I love... Dween, dween, dween, dween, dween. You know, so David, totally, you're a full-fledged producer from Gitmo Nation, tropical south. You totally get it. I don't have any of the Taylor Swift clips anymore, I don't think, John. Unfortunately. You gotta keep a library. Do you want to talk just really briefly about this podcast patent because everyone who listens to the show is aware of it, everyone's talking about it and I haven't really said anything about it yet. Let me brief people. A company called Volo Media has obtained from the department of the Homeland Security patent office. And for your security, by the way. A patent for podcasting and it was given to them, I believe, in 2003.

59:14 Despite the fact that most of the internet, I mean distribution of media on the internet was in full force in the late 1990s and by 2001 a couple guys debatable who's the The primary person I believe is Adam Curry, but Dave Weiner because he invented RSS likes to at least throw his name into that mix. So we have Dave Weiner and Adam Curry as inventors of the podcasting model in 2001 after we've seen maybe two, three, maybe four years of media distribution over the internet in various formats and methodologies. 2003 rolls around, these guys

59:56 These guys unlike the Curry's and the whiners out there who didn't think to put a patent application in Put one in after the fact when all the stuff's already been done. So this is a bogus patent I'll tell you so this company volo media, which I think was called something else previously. I know this guy mergesh and the immigration of our because ron and i met with him several times in two thousand five when we were before we even started uh... pod show i believe at the time he had this kind of weird really had a he put together like a radio system and it was the idea was you'd have this thing in your car and that you know to stuff would be downloaded through three g or whatever we're talking about at the time

1:00:39 and he even said all you know where we have many many patents filed and all the head actually has some radio guy from some local radio station kind of this is his guy to help him with the content part and you know we just we talked a lot and we see him was anything we can do and like you know really like this guy just it was no fit for us at all uh... but he never he never really showed me even anything close to what podcasts and what's his name again uh... mergesh navar Is this any different? Because there's another Volo Media that is run by this Jan DeVolder guy, which may be a different company. Probably. I think it is actually. This company was actually... should I just look at my Gmail for a second, see if I can find anything from Mergesh? That would be funny, wouldn't it? I could read some of my correspondence. Just go back there. Let me see. Is that actually... do we know that's the name? Volo Media?

1:01:32 V-O-L-O? Yeah, V-O-L-O. Let me just see if I have any mergesh in my email. That would be kind of funny, wouldn't it? Let's see. Come on, Gmail. Do me justice. Oh, yes. Let's see. See, I got a volo media. Oh, here it was. Audio Feast. I found three different volo media. No, listen, listen. Audio Feast is what the company was called. Ah, Audio Feast. Audio Feast. Audio Feast. Remember we had Madge Weinstein? And I kept laughing about it. Oh, let's go talk to Margesh from Audio Yeast. Here's some of our correspondents. Adam and Ron, we're working on a one-page proposal on how we can work together. We are excited about the podcasting possibilities and want to cooperate with your strengths. This is a heads up. He's already saying he didn't know what podcasting was at the time.

1:02:22 Oh, that's that's a piece of evidence totally evidence. Let me see what else I got. This is good. I should have done this earlier Yeah here. Oh, I have a proposal from him partnership and content possibilities You know what maybe he's out to get you guys maybe Let me see What is this? Okay, that's just a forward it's Add this guy to Feastcast or podcast. So the guy didn't even know what podcasting was when we talked to him. Audio Feast, that was his whole brand, that was his whole idea. How are things going? He writes on June 28th, 2005. Our 2.0 release is in beta now and delivers all the top radio shows we carry as podcasts.

1:03:10 These shows can be synced to iTunes or Windows Media Player directly. So what he was doing is he was taking radio shows from around the country and syncing them somehow. Given this, we have come to a decision we do not want to be a front-facing consumer brand when all of our technology strengths are in the back end. We have content partnerships and technology. No need to be a consumer-facing brand. I'd like to chat and see if we can help Podshow become big really fast. Open to chat? So I don't think there's anything else real. There's probably some stuff around here. But Adam Rugell, I believe. No, that's... Anyway, Audio Feast. Look into that company. That was the company...

1:03:58 Our lawyer tells us that Adam could file a motion for re-examination with the patent office and try to get it invalidated. Simple piece of paper. You know, should I tell you something though? I'm so sick and tired of fighting these fights for everybody else. There's no fight, just send a piece of paper in. Well first of all, I'm not going to do that because I don't, you know, any work I did and... Have Bobby do it. I'm certainly not going to have Bobby do it. Any work that I did, and Dave White and I, we were experimenting with this very thing in the public with his software Radio Userland in 2000, 2001.

1:04:36 I work with him on coming up with the idea of the enclosure element in RSS. And after the fact, if this guy was really, really smart, Murgesh, he would have added his name to the podcasting wiki page. This is what you're supposed to do, douchebag. This is the time when we say, oh, Wikipedia shows that it's not true. And I'm just waiting for all these other people to hop on board saying they invented podcasting. Go look at the wiki page and you'll see what I'm talking about. Here it is. Is this the one that you keep editing? Consistently. I should put this guy in. Murgesh Navar, invented podcasting in 2003. Here it is. Here's a potential. From Newco. Newco. I'm gonna put it in. This is great. This is funny, John. Oh my god. Is this on the Wikipedia page you're looking at? No, I'm looking at the email still. Oh. What is he saying here?

1:05:33 The guy was, it was radio stations to some kind of radio thing and it was a closed loop system. It had nothing to do with RSS. It had nothing to do with any syndication protocol. It was taking shows from radio programs that they were licensing, which is why he didn't like the model in the first place. Maybe, before we beat this to death, we should take a look at this guy's patent. It's funny because I looked at the patent and the patent that I find everywhere online does not include a lot of the stuff that he writes about his patent on his patent page. So I really don't know, have you looked at the USPTO website? I don't know how it works. There's all these dependencies and all this weird stuff and I don't know if those are then included in the patent because the basic patent says nothing, because I looked at it of course, it says nothing about downloading but on his website, here I'll send you what he says John, here you go. So his patent which is 7568213

1:06:39 The only thing I could find online about it other than his web page is a method for providing episodic media, the media comprising providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media or in the episodic media provided over the channel is predefined into one or more episodes blah blah blah blah. But then he goes into all these, the method of claim one further comprising automatically providing the user with an indication of the availability of updated episodic media. I can't find that at the USPTO's filing. So did he just add that in or do I not know how to read the Patent Office website, which is clearly not one of those $19 million websites.

1:07:19 Well, I'm looking at the patent now. What is claimed in the method for providing episodic media? The method comprising providing a user with access to a channel dedicated to episodic media, where in the episodic media provided... Right, that's all I got, but then it ends at... The ability to modify the channel depth by selecting selected public media content, episodic media content, thereby overriding the previously configured channel depth. That's all it says. But below that, on his own page, he's got these nine different methods of claim. What is a method of claim? I don't know. It's what he said apparently is supposed to be in the patent. But I don't see it in the patent. I don't either. So maybe he's full of horse gooey. That could be.

1:07:59 Anyway, I don't I never liked the guy we couldn't work with him. He had he'd like him even less now I don't care. I really don't care What the only problem is is that he's now talking to Apple and John you said to me on the street the other day as we were Street walking we do that you said I Said that the first thing they did this I used to do a lot of well Nasty shit in this work Nasty shit. And one of the things that you, the lawyers always tell you is the classic way that you handle a patent that might be weak and you want to get a bunch of royalties from people just to, you know, the first thing you got to do is you got to find a big fish and you go and you show them this patent and you say you want to, you know, you're going to have to want to charge everybody for this patent, but Mr. Big Fish, I'm going to let you have the patent for free.

1:08:56 Because there's no reason for you know, just to get it out of the way and there's a million ways of selling this. And so now all of a sudden Apple, then a press release goes out, Apple comes to an agreement, which of course means no money but doesn't say that, comes to an agreement with Volo Media to use the Volo Media episodic patent for podcasting and now that is used to scare off all the little fish because now you're fighting against the Volo media. You think Apple's on their side. It just becomes a fiasco of sorts. But as soon as the first thing I said to you, like I was telling you that this is the way it's usually done, boom, within 24 hours a press release comes out saying he's talking to Apple. He's not talking to him to get royalties because Apple's not going to give him a nickel.

1:09:43 So if you really do give a shit about this and you think that there's a problem, and if you're a lawyer or if you know a lawyer, I'll sign my name under anything you want. And I'm sure Dave Weiner will do the same. But I really feel that there's no reason for me to be a Camelot and jump on this and go screaming about it. It's just, it's lame. I think I've got evidence the guy didn't even know what podcasting was. He was looking at a completely different system. And if anything, hey, you know what? I think I have an NDA with that dude. Well, go dig it up. Please. And now, back to Real News. Lady magazines are in trouble!

1:10:28 Usually, the mags gorge on ads for their September issues, often inches thick. And by far the biggest of the year, the fall issues' fat revenues bursting at the seams usually carry them through the lean months after Christmas. However, plummeting ad sales combined with lower circulation rates means quite a few won't have reserves to make it through hibernation. The reason Is because women, according to Liz Jones of the Daily Mail, women are sick and tired of looking at beautiful Photoshop Botox chicks. They want it to be real. They find the magazines patronizing, fake and pointless. It's a new generation. I think they're onto something. I think that now that we actually know how Photoshop works, that women are saying screw that shit. Yeah, actually Photoshop may have ruined it.

1:11:16 Well, Photoshop created, well, I guess it's not airbrushed. I mean, it all stems from, I think a lot of it stems from that picture of Faith Hill that was on the cover, I think Cosmo or one of these magazines, and then they showed up on the internet with the before and after and she was like, Faith Hill, who's a good looking woman, was so photoshopped, I mean, they made her look like she was 17. It was I think it was an eye-opener for a lot of people everything you need to do you shouldn't need to do that with everybody every single magazine certainly the cover every single one is photoshopped retouched graded Everything and even for especially for technology magazines Everything is photoshopped. Everything is made to look more beautiful fake and is not real Maybe that's a part of why all this stuff is going down the drain John besides the the shoddy reporting

1:12:04 Yeah, everything's fake. I got some news. No, I'm sorry. Real news. Hit the real news button. And now, back to real news. Okay, so there's this huge scandal going on in Australia that is really interesting. There's this morning show called, radio show. Australia, Good Morning Australia? Today. Australia Today. Today show. And there's a Kyle and Jackie are these two hosts in this and they run the show. And so they, they had this idea that was going to be so funny. Let's get a lie detector and put some teenager on it and then see what we have our mom griller about stuff.

1:12:39 So they found this girl and they didn't want to do it, she didn't want to do it, she didn't want to do it, they made her do it. They hooked her up to a lie detector test and they started asking her questions. Did you ever have sex? Did you ever play with the boy? Did you ever kiss? And the girl says, I'm not saying, I've already talked about this before. And then they start giving her a bad time. And she says, okay, okay, I was raped when I was 12. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. All hell has broken loose. And rightfully so. And by whom? No kidding. Mean the government's involved. They're wondering why this went without being reported. Why did the mom what was the point of this lie detector thing? What was the show's involvement? I mean everybody's in on this This is a huge scandal talking about taking the spotlight away from nothing, you know, they're nothing to see here thing This just this is just a killer. Oh that poor girl That's horrible

1:13:38 You bum me out with that one John just to let you know Australia we are listening to what we do care, okay? I just wanted to talk briefly about New Jersey Of course there were you know like 40 lawmakers arrested over the past few weeks in New Jersey. It seems like the mob is involved. There's this kind of, I don't know exactly what these Jewish organizations represent or which fraction they represent, but there seems to be some Israeli ties into this. I made some assertions to that in one of our previous shows.

1:14:18 Did you know that 11 letters containing suspicious white powder have been sent to government and private offices in northern New Jersey in the past 10 days, John? Nope. So, of course... Why would I know that? Gee, figure it, why would it be reported? I have to say the Star-Ledger did report on this. Not the biggest national newspaper in the world. And as... Which is right across the river. Yeah, and as... Yes, it is. So I'll just read you some of the report. This is now the FBI is copying to this. Now remember this is anthrax letters essentially. No one has been injured. Initial tests showed the powder did not appear to be dangerous, authorities said. What was it then? Could you please tell me what was it? Was it anthrax? Was it non-lethal anthrax? Was it powder sugar? Was it heroin? What the hell was it?

1:15:08 However, of course the mailings prompted temporary shutdowns throughout Bergen and Passaic counties while hazmat units investigated. Hazmat? That sounds Jewish just by itself. What is a hazmat unit? Hazardous materials? Those are the guys in those light suits. Ah, there you go. With the thermometer gun. The FBI, the lead agency in the investigation, released few details, of course. In each case, the powder was in an envelope that was inside another envelope. Since July 17th, the agency said letters were sent to locations in Ottawa, Clifton, that's where I used to live, Wayne, Ringwood, which I think would be Ridgewood, but Ringwood, Woodland Park, and Fairlawn, all in New Jersey. Final testing on the three

1:15:52 Letters concluded there was no evidence of biological agents the agency would not say where the letters were sent But the Fairlawn Police Department confirmed one was received by police chief Eric Rose on Friday morning The same morning another letter was delivered to the law offices of Vivino and Vivino in Wayne Vivino and Vivino we help you immediately The office was evacuated for about two hours, emergency crews came in, the FBI is working with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and local and county investigators on the case. Letters containing suspicious white powder have been common since 2001. Common? Common?

1:16:29 What do you mean common? Where have I heard about this since 2001? Letters containing suspicious white powder have become common since 2001. In Jersey maybe. When letters laced with anthrax powder, one of which was processed at the post office in Hamilton, Mercer County, killed five people. In the past eight months alone, white powder letters forced workplace evacuations at a pharmaceutical company in Montvale, a securities firm in Woodbridge, and offices of senate president richard cody governor john core scene was also among thirty governors to receive white powder letters left late last year and they were there suppressing this they're completely suppressing the whether doing it for a good reason is the boneheads in this country are added a great idea

1:17:14 So, of course they say nothing happened. However, one of the 44 people arrested last week, this is according to Reuters, in a sweeping federal probe of political corruption and money laundering in New Jersey, one of the people has been found dead in suspicious circumstances. Jack Shaw. You've heard of him, John. I have? Yeah, I think you have. Longtime Democratic political consultant was discovered dead at his Jersey City home on Tuesday afternoon in circumstances Hudson County prosecutor Edward DeFazio called suspicious. However, the prosecutor told the New York Times the death did not appear to be murder.

1:17:57 They're still working on Michael Jackson for like six weeks now and within three days. Oh, this is not murder. Oh, no, this is nothing. Oh, I gotta get my jingle. I'm slow on the draw here. So this whole corruption thing is really, really underreported. And so this Shaw guy was basically, he was wearing a wire, he was the informant, he was talking to all of these... Huh, and coincidentally wound up dead. But it wasn't a murder. But it gets better. He'd been working for developers in northern New Jersey

1:18:38 Previously he worked for Chicago Mayor Richard Daley and former New Jersey Governor Jim Florio and helped with New Jersey Governor's John Corzine's race for the Senate. I mean, there is a lot of shit going on. So he introduced the informant to other officials who were charged in the massive investigation of corruption, human organ sales and money laundering involving several mayors and rabbis. Rabbi's angle is the one that gets me. Well, hey you want a kidney? That is the opening of the show right there. Say it again. No. You do your own voices.

1:19:25 So just to follow up, those who were arrested were the mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus, Ridgefield, state lawmakers, city council members, zoning officials, building inspectors, and political candidates. The mayor of Secaucus, Dennis Elwell, resigned on Tuesday. New Jersey is just bust. You know Letterman is doing bits on this and here's the one that I just just just dawned on me after doing the rabbi. It's like, Letterman says, you know, there's all these guys they're doing exchanging kidneys and there's a bunch of rabbis which really surprises me he says and when he says that Paul, yeah,

1:20:09 Out of the blue says, well it doesn't surprise me. And they never, like the letterman should have stopped and said, what are you talking, what do you mean it doesn't surprise you, why? He probably bought one off a rabbi. When did this become like take over from the diamonds, you know? All right, so there's a whole bunch of theories about this and the crackpot command center fax machine is just all a Twitter about what's going on here. And so there's tie-ins into Madoff, money being slipped through the rabbis into Israel, you know, the so-called Israelis who were cheering with the urban moving company bus across from the World Trade Center when the towers came down. There's all these different conspiracy theories and, you know, all I can say is where there's smoke, there could be some more smoke.

1:21:01 So, you know, if you have any information on it, please, we'd like to know. Because this being so underreported where you have 44 people arrested, have you seen any of this on the news, John? Is this on CNN? Is this on MSNBC? They should be sure having pictures of guys in cuffs being hauled off by the FBI. Thank you! With big FBI on their back. Yeah, thank you. But they're not. You know, so I've been working very, very hard on trying to figure out what's going on. So there's two stories. One is this one because it just stinks to hell and high water. There is so much fishiness going on with this and the fact that it's being just not being covered at all, at all.

1:21:43 You know, what are we going to see tonight? Tonight we're going to see Gates with the cop drinking beer with the president. That's the news you're going to get tonight. Meanwhile, lawmakers, corruption, people dying, anthrax letters. They're also going on and on about Glenn Beck calling Obama a racist and making a big stink about it. Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? So this is where you get some real news. On top of that there is some of this, you know, and I am still interested in President Obama's, perhaps in his investments into biopharmaceutical companies, then pushing avian and swine flu agenda. You know, this is real work that's going on here. And by the way, we need your help on doing this.

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