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00:00 Oh, you've got to get one! HODLing for dear life and broadcasting live from the Capitol the drone star state here in downtown Austin Tejas in the Cluedio in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're literally fogged in I can't see the zephyr I'm John C. DeGore I can't play the jingle then either because it's specifically asked if you can

00:38 Oh no, it's hear that horn. Yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess it would work. It's not gonna hear the horn. How bad is it? They honk it. Is this- They don't normally, this, this Seffer guy who drives it this way isn't honking a horn like a maniac like some of these Amtrak guys. Is this a normal occurrence for this time of year in the northern Silicon Valley area? It happens. Okay. Well, we may have had a lot of fog recently. It's a little more than usual. I mean it goes back He's actually harkens back into the 70s. Hmm. There's a cycle of fog Oh, yes when we were all going to die from global cooling Cooling and fog I had fun reading the climate report that came out on Friday. Ah, okay

01:22 Somebody read it. I didn't get a hold of it. All I know is I have a report from CNN. Yes, I have similar report. I think we'll just play yours. I have a report on CNN where the girl says, yes, the report just came out one and a half minutes ago. And I'm already reading through it. And somehow she's already read through it. I heard it. That one too? Yeah, yeah, but it's okay. I have the exact same one. Let's play it. The U.S. government is releasing a major highly anticipated... And by the way, how mean, how mean to release this when no one is watching! ...report on climate change... Hold on a second. Stop. Why? The U.S. government? It's NOAA that brought this out.

00:38 Oh no, it's hear that horn. Yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess it would work. It's not gonna hear the horn. How bad is it? They honk it. Is this- They don't normally, this, this Seffer guy who drives it this way isn't honking a horn like a maniac like some of these Amtrak guys. Is this a normal occurrence for this time of year in the northern Silicon Valley area? It happens. Okay. Well, we may have had a lot of fog recently. It's a little more than usual. I mean it goes back He's actually harkens back into the 70s. Hmm. There's a cycle of fog Oh, yes when we were all going to die from global cooling Cooling and fog I had fun reading the climate report that came out on Friday. Ah, okay

01:22 Somebody read it. I didn't get a hold of it. All I know is I have a report from CNN. Yes, I have similar report. I think we'll just play yours. I have a report on CNN where the girl says, yes, the report just came out one and a half minutes ago. And I'm already reading through it. And somehow she's already read through it. I heard it. That one too? Yeah, yeah, but it's okay. I have the exact same one. Let's play it. The U.S. government is releasing a major highly anticipated... And by the way, how mean, how mean to release this when no one is watching! ...report on climate change... Hold on a second. Stop. Why? The U.S. government? It's NOAA that brought this out.

02:06 No man, no man, you know who did that. You know they released that on Friday so that no one would see it. Yeah I saw that, I saw that bullcrap too but it sounds to me as they released on a Friday because there was news, there's no news so this would get even more news. Yeah exactly, it showed up and I think it did. The US government is releasing a major highly anticipated report on climate change. I like the highly anticipated. Did you even know it was coming out on Friday? Nobody did. In fact, it's being made public right now as we speak this hour, 2 PM Eastern. The congressionally mandated report documents the human impact on climate change and its cost to the economy. Now, it could contain dire threats that are at odds with President Donald Trump's own environmental policy and own pronouncements. Let's get right to CNN's Renee Marsh for details. She's live in Washington.

02:59 So you were able to take a quick look at this report. It is officially being put out in the 2 p.m. hour, so right now. What new details are we learning? Right, so Holly, you're right. I mean this report released literally about a minute and 40 seconds ago, but the government report squarely focuses on the human impact of climate change for people here in the United States using real-life examples. Does she have a stopwatch? Yeah.

03:36 The executive summary which is the first page which is what all you ever read in the news media. Including low-income and other marginalized communities will feel the impacts the most. This report goes on to talk about the health impact, the economic costs, and the impact on transportation infrastructure. And it's very specific according to regions here in the United States as as it relates to the economic impact. The report It's very specific according to regions. Regions of the United States, I think. Well, no, she say is the regions that are making it specific. She was the wording should be it's very specific regarding regions of the United States, perhaps. But according to regions, the regions are not the authority that are making it specific.

04:26 Are you upset about this report that somehow it's full of crap? I mean, you're not really gonna try and deconstruct this piece of crap that basically just says, we agree, high likelihood, there's nothing new here. Oh, except extreme weather, which you're witnessing right now, we're all gonna die! The cost and the impact on transportation infrastructure, and it's very specific according to regions here in the United States. As it relates to the economic impact, the report says that the expected, the climate change is expected to cause substantial net damage to the US economy throughout this century. Annual losses in some economic sectors

05:08 sectors are projected to reach hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century. So quite pricey. They also go on to say the frequency of severity in allergic illnesses, including asthma and hay fever, are expected to increase as a result of climate change. More people will be exposed to things like ticks carrying Lyme disease, mosquitoes that transmit viruses like Zika, West Nile virus and dengue fever, so that will become more prominent. When it comes to agriculture and our food sources, it specifically talks about the Midwest and it says increases in temperatures during the growing season.

05:50 season in the Midwest are projected to be the largest contributing factor to declines in productivity of US agriculture and obviously that impacts not just people in the United States but as we export it impacts people who rely on our export as well. I mean this is a lengthy report. We're all gonna die! That's pretty much the report. We're all gonna die if we don't hurry up immediately and do something about it. There's a similar report like this, like in the 80s. And I mean, every so often on Twitter, somebody digs up some old article from some time in the past 10, 20 years ago saying we're all going to die and it's going to, we don't do something today. Let's listen to CBS's version of the report. The extensive federal report details how global warming from the burning of coal, oil and gas is

06:43 impacting each region of the country. Researchers said climate related events are expected to become more frequent and more intense. But President Trump's policies and rhetoric often reject climate change. His administration has rolled back Obama era environmental regulations and promoted the production of fossil fuels. So we're getting out. In June 2017, the president pulled the U.S. out of That was a great little edit they did there. This is cool. The production of fossil fuels. We're getting out. That's all it took for us to leave the Paris Climate Accord apparently. In 2017, the president pulled the US out of the Paris Agreement, a pact of nearly 200 countries to curb climate change. Last month, Mr. Trump dismissed global warming on 60 Minutes. But what about the scientists who say it's worse than ever?

07:39 You'd have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda. And just this week, President Trump tweeted about East Coast cold weather, writing, Brutal and extended cold blasts could shatter all records, whatever happened to global warming. Former Vice President and environmentalist Al Gore said the president may try to hide the truth, but his own scientists and experts have made it as stark and clear as possible. The White House tried to dismiss the report saying it is based on- No, no, no, you gotta stop. You gotta back it up because there's something that said something about Gore that I wanted to get because I think it was worded peculiarly. Warming. Former Vice President and environmentalist Al Gore said the president may try to hide the truth but his own scientists and experts have made it as stark and clear as possible. Okay.

08:36 No, sorry. I misheard. Okay, but Gore has been out there saying, oh, it's unbelievable. He's tried to hide this, tried to hide the report. It's his own scientists. If anybody's trying to hide anything, it's Gore and his pressure group that keeps any alternative opinion from coming on the news. The White House tried to dismiss the report saying it is based on the most extreme climate change scenario, but JB, it is worth noting the administration chose to release it today, right after Thanksgiving, on the busiest shopping day of the year. Yes! Oh my God. Here's what's interesting. Of course I went through the report. Do we know that it was

09:20 Trump's decision to release it today? You know what, honestly, I don't care. Because every single time we talk about stuff like that, I get emails and everyone's triggered and there are people getting sick, actually sick from hearing the name Trump in news reports that we play. They're ill. People are getting sick. I know, but they're sick. People are getting sick and I want no part of it. So I'm not, so I don't care. I don't care. What I do care about is that They say in this report it is going to hurt poor people and marginalized groups. Poor people and marginalized groups will die sooner from this horrible, horrible catastrophe that's taking place. The crazy thing is, is that

10:06 The measures that were agreed to in the Paris Climate Accord are being put in place in Europe, in places like France. And the actual people that these taxes, these carbon taxes are supposed to save are on the streets burning the city of Paris because they can't eat anymore. Maybe the whole thing's a scheme to get rid of the lower classes. I mean, there's report after report of Paris, I'll play one of them from CNN, and nowhere, not for a moment, does anyone mention that the hike in fuel price is because of the implementation of carbon taxes.

10:50 They just don't even say it. I want to take you to Paris now. Stunning pictures coming out of there. Protesters filling the most famous street in France, the iconic Champs-Elysees with fire and explosions. In a second weekend of protests, the usual scene of tourists and Parisians enjoying cafes and luxury shops replaced by burning vehicles as 8,000 protesters clash with 3,000 police in riot gear. The demonstrators who call themselves the Yellow Vests are are angry over rising fuel prices. Now police used tear gas and a water cannon in an attempt to break up these demonstrations. CNN's Jim Bitterman is joining us now from Paris. Jim, tell us why these protesters are so angry. Well I think it started off as a fuel protest a week ago, Ana, but in fact over the last few days it's generalized a lot. Really? See, this is what I mean. He doesn't even give us the truth.

11:46 Why they're angry. pension payments that aren't really making ends meet. So it's just a generalized anger about the state of the economy and of course Macron, President Macron has vowed to continue forward on his ideas of reforming the economy here. So instead of explaining what reforming the economy means, the idea is a new green deal. It's the

12:26 the green economy that he's supposedly kick-starting by penalizing people. Do you know, price of diesel, now I'm not sure if it was diesel or regular petrol, one of the two, went up 30 cents. I have a report that contradicts your report a little bit. Go on. Went up 30 cents, they are now paying the equivalent of $7 per gallon. Seems a bit high. Seems a tad high. I think people just haven't had enough and they heard a lot of people say that today. You heard a lot of people calling for Macron's resignation. Now here on the Champs-Élysées, this is not the scene you would expect on a Saturday night following Black Friday. You would think there'd be a lot of people out and that sort of thing. People today were protesters throughout the day.

13:14 And only about an hour ago or so did the police make a move with a major assault on the avenue here with multiple trucks and hundreds of police to clear away the demonstrators. And for the most part they've succeeded. There are still a few pockets of of resistance along here. We haven't heard from Macron all day until very late this evening when he put out this tweet. He said, thanks to all the law enforcement, you'd expect that, but he said, shame on all the people who assaulted them, shame on those who voluntarily assaulted citizens and reporters, shame on those who tried to intimidate our elected officials. So you have him taking a very kind of professorial or perhaps paternalistic tone, something that he's been criticized for in the past.

13:57 Okay, I'd love to hear your your okay, so you first before you play the mind Which I believe is from CBS is something more which they do mention these issues that you say CNN didn't mention I've never heard that CNN clip before I will say based on what I know and based on this other clip and based on what's really going on. CNN should be ashamed of itself. That's a bull crap report. All of them from CNN are like that. Every single one of them. It's getting worse at that place. Yeah, it is. Why are they doubling down on this? I don't know. It makes no sense. Anyway, here, play this. This is the French fuel tax protest. Anger continues to grow over the country's rising fuel taxes. Thousands across France are also protesting President Emmanuel Macron's administration. Macron has defended the fuel tax, saying they're necessary to wean the country off fossil fuels. Lisa Hampley from our partners at the BBC reports.

14:53 I'm sorry, just I don't know if they come back to it in this report. When he says the fuel tax is necessary to wean people off fossil fuels, that's not quite the same as saying it's your carbon tax, which I believe it is. So now you're saying it's a disincentive? Is that the message? Yeah, there's a disincentive thing but at least they're a little closer to the truth here than you were seeing in the report which was shameful. A sea of yellow, the protesters in their trademark high-vis jackets on the Champs-Elysees. The authorities mean business too, using water cannon and tear gas against the thousands of protesters, trying to prevent them moving down to the Palais de la Concorde and the presidential palace, which has been cordoned off. Organizers bill this as Act 2 in their rolling campaign. Hold on a second.

15:51 I read everywhere that there was no real organizers, that it was something that originated on the internet and it wasn't a new kind of protest. Well, let's look at reality here with the protests we always have. There are always organizers. I yeah, I just I saw report after report that there was no central organization. It was organic kind of like spring Organizers bill this is act two in their rolling campaign. They're angry about an increase in diesel tax justified by the government as an anti-pollution levy

16:33 But the campaign has grown into a broad opposition against President Emmanuel Macron. This metal worker says, we feel like we've been working for years now and it's just extortion while members of the government live like princes. It's not even possible to live anymore after paying taxes, says this woman. I'm disgusted. I'm telling you if I saw him I wouldn't be able to shake his hand and I tell him exactly what I think. Some here have been ripping up the street and trying to build barricades. But as protesters let off fireworks, the authorities have the power to move them on.

17:25 And before you go there, I want to mention what you're going to do is promote the idea that the nonsense in the report that came out here, that it's going that if we don't do anything, it's going to hurt the lower classes. Yes, this is evidence of what's where they are doing stuff. And it's hurting the lower classes. Because they're doing stuff. Yes, and that was exactly my point. A very tense day on the Champs-Élysées in Paris. Clashes erupted between police and some yellow vests. Authorities used water cannons and tear gas for several hours in order to counter the most radical protesters. While many regret these incidents, others believe these methods are the only way to be heard by their government.

18:08 Isn't it interesting how every single report, regardless of organization, has that one explosion in it? Your clip had it. I had a clip with the explosion. This is the second clip with the explosion. They just edited it right- Yeah, mine had the explosion. Yeah, I think there's one explosion and everybody used it. Just put it in as a little opening kicker. Hell yes! Hit it! Honestly, what do they think they're doing? There are certainly some rioters, but we're not responsible for that. We're just here to be heard. The problem in France is that we don't have a choice. If we want something, we need to fight for it. They don't listen to us anymore. Emmanuel Macron was the main target of the thousands of yellow vests gathered this Saturday. But apart from the president, the whole French political class is criticized by the demonstrators.

19:00 I'm demonstrating because it's not possible anymore. I'm retired and we can't make ends meet anymore. It's not possible. And I don't understand why the members of parliament, the senators have all these privileges. We don't diminish their salaries. Who do they think we are? What are we? What are we? Are we sheep? What are we? Are we the dogs of French society? Is that why our ancestors fought? I love this guy. He translated the French guy. He acted a little bit. Who are we? What are we? What are we? Sheep? Are we the dogs of French society? Is that why our ancestors fought? What started off as a movement against taxes on fuel morphed into a larger gathering against other types of tax, as well as to denounce the cost of living in France and social inequalities.

19:45 But without the central structure nor official representatives, the Yellow Vests seem divided over what to do next. We need a citizens' assembly. Citizens need to make the votes, referendums. We're the ones who should have a voice. Now that we've started rising up, we need to step up the movement. Macron won't stop until we face him with a general strike, clearly. Ah, there it is. That's what's coming next. General strike. And so it's clearly there's a little more going on than just the fuel price. I would say migration may be irking some people and just the overall economy in general. Just a couple of things I find interesting about this, which is covered a little bit, but it's not covered well here. One is they call it a pollution tax. Oh, love that. Yes.

20:38 When we talk about carbon pollution, it's carbon tax. No one wants to use those terms because it's promoted everywhere. And it should be carbon dioxide, but they've just moved that to carbon just to make it easier. Carbon dioxide tax, which is like, you know, don't drink soda. I like the idea of these guys wearing these yellow kind of street workers vests. Now this is a mandatory item for your automobile in France. Oh, is it? Yes, you must have a yellow emergency vest in your vehicle at all times. That's not a bad idea. I think, I don't know if it's mandatory in Britain, but I know pretty much everybody has that. We should do that here. But I like the idea of everybody wearing these things. Well, what's cool about it is you could create a global movement of yellow vests, yellow jackets, whatever we want to call it.

21:29 I like yellow vest, it's a vest. Arc de Triomphe in the background. There's stuff they were showing on CBS. There was thousands and thousands of people with these yellow vests. Yes, exactly. But I'm saying the ones in other parts of Europe are starting to do the same thing. The yellow vest meme is happening. I think it's a good one. Yeah. The other thing that you didn't get to see because it was pretty visual and they just kind of mentioned it in passing in the CBS report was the fact that they're literally digging up the street. Yes.

22:14 I know. It's great. Well, yeah. So, well they have a little more power there. I mean in the United States it's actually punished, I think it's a felony and it's punishable by all kinds of horrible things if you do it, if you even advocate a general strike. Is that so? General strikes are illegal in this country. Is that so? Oh yeah. We can't have a general strike in the United States? No. Really? You could go try promoting one to see what happens. See who knocks on the door. Huh. That's illegal. Isn't that freedom of speech? Can't I say whatever I want? You're talking to the wrong guy. Hmm. Well, that's something that needs to be looked up. You can look... I think it began... I think it was either under the Roosevelt... I think maybe the Roosevelt administration is the one who promoted that because they were having so much trouble with the longshoremen and some of these really powerful unions we used to have. But yeah, general strikes are no... You can't do one. You can't call one in a local area.

23:15 They were thinking about this in San Francisco some years back over some complaints and didn't get very far. Well, you mean a general strike if it's labor unions who are organizing it? That's what you mean by a general strike? No, a general strike is where everybody stops working. Yeah, but you say it's illegal to to organize that or just illegal to stop working I'm not quite sure what the... It's illegal to organize it. Right, but I think it's illegal to organize it if you're a union not if you're Adam Curry podcaster. No. I call a general strike! I call for a general strike! Please bail me out.

23:58 I need to look this up. I'm not... I... sounds... General strikes. Just look up general strikes. I'm trying to find it. I cannot find anything that says it's illegal, a general strike is illegal. I can only find it in combination with the NLRB, the National Labor Relations Board. Their section 8 prohibits the general strike organized by labor organizations, but I'm not so sure. I mean, I can organize anything I want. Well, it's possible that if you weren't in a labor union and you organized a general strike, you might get away with it. But as far as I know, well, for one thing, that's never going to happen. But yeah, we'll look into it. We'll report further. Interesting.

24:44 But yeah, I don't think it will happen. But it's just, it's interesting to me the disservice that everyone's getting here. It's like, you know, this report is being touted as, oh my God, it's going to hurt all the poor people. But the exact same recommendations that are in the United States congressionally mandated report are the ones that people are riding over in France, or at least some of them. Yeah, that's not the elites that are rioting. No, no, but the French do have this odd history of chopping people's heads off. They take their protests pretty seriously. Yeah. It seems as though they get to a boiling point and just go nuts. Well, there's one other thing that may be playing into

25:38 playing into all of this and it's something that is not reported at all here. In fact, I haven't heard much of it. Only in the Netherlands did it get my attention. This is the Global Compact for Migration, which of course, you know, neither of us had heard of. No, no, we've heard, we talked about this some time ago. This is a while back. Right, but it's now been agreed to. This thing passed and what that means is it's just an agreement, it's not legally binding, except in multiple European countries, including the Netherlands, in their constitution, their ground laws as they call them, their basis laws, it clearly states, I think it's article 94, that any European

26:29 agreement or treaty supersedes national laws. And people in the Netherlands are very upset about this. What are they expecting? Well, I'm telling you... They're in the EU. But here's what the compact says. Refugees and migrants are entitled the same universal human rights and fundamental freedoms which must be respected, protected, and fulfilled at all times. However, migrants and refugees are distinct groups governed by separate legal frameworks. Only refugees are entitled to specific international protection as defined by international refugee law. This global compact refers to migrants and presents a cooperative framework addressing migration in all its dimensions." I could go through every single article and list.

27:19 This came up in the conversation because Trump refused to sign on to this global agreement and they made a big stink about it. And then it kind of passed by and now we've no longer since forgotten about it. Now it's back in the news, I guess, because other people are starting to look at it. Yeah, and this is the United Nations compact, a part of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. And of course it says that because of natural disasters, the adverse effects of climate change and environmental degradation, we will see huge migration. They keep promising this. And the entire idea is when people are on the move, you sign up to the compact and you basically can't stop them from coming into your country.

28:02 that's what people are worried about and again not mentioned in any of the reports about Paris I think that also may have something to do with it. I don't know about French law but you know as you point out it's like hey it's United Nations they all sign on to it or not everyone has signed on yet actually but once you're in then you're in and then you got to let it happen so you know this this migrant the migrant issue is a problem Well, it seems to be a yes. which is not defined in this document, but I guess that means running drugs, hookers, black cabs. Ensure migrants working in the informal economy have safe access to effective reporting, complaint, and redress mechanisms in case of exploitation, abuse, or violations of their rights in the workplace in a manner that does not exacerbate vulnerabilities of migrants that denounce such incidents and allow them to participate in respective legal proceedings, whether in the country of origin or destination.

29:10 So you can start shit before you even roll. Yeah. And this is really, it's really quite stunning, this document. Develop procedures and agreements on search and rescue of migrants, which now is happening is, you know, non-governmental organizations are doing this. They're actually going as close as they can to, for instance, Libya off the coast and pick them up, save them there and bring them back. The primary objective of this is to protect migrants' right to life that uphold the prohibition of collective expulsion, guarantee due process and individual assessment, enhance reception. Enhance reception? What is that? Directional antenna? No, no, enhance receptions where you have a welcome committee. Beer and wine and cheese. You got cheese, you got the cakes.

29:59 enhance reception and assistance capacities and ensure that the provision of assistance is an exclusively humanitarian nature for migrants and is not considered unlawful." And I put the thing in the show notes and everyone go take a look at it, but you get the gist. And the Dutch are very, at least the ones that will email me about it, seem to be very concerned about this. Very concerned. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, which is interesting at the same time when Hillary Clinton. I have that clip. With her interview in the Guardian? I don't have her talking but I do have the report. Okay, yeah, where is it? Hillary. Yes. It's very interesting that this comes into play. The minute we have this global compact coming into vision, this is what she tells the Guardian. Hillary Clinton has called on European leaders to curb mass migration to the continent. She says it's helped spread right-wing populism.

30:56 In an interview in the British newspaper, The Guardian published today, the former Democratic presidential candidate and Secretary of State warned, if we don't deal with the migration issue, it will continue to roil the body politic. She said it lit the flame for racist political ideologies in Europe. Clinton's comments sparked outrage and confusion from immigration activists and European lawmakers who cited her long track record of welcoming immigrants. Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that all works. It was very, very strange. And then finally, with a little ditty at the end, he says, if you can find old clips of her bitching about the Mexicans coming in across the border. Of course, of course. So there's no consistency here. But there's, you know, if she's going to play the game of being a progressive neoliberal,

29:59 enhance reception and assistance capacities and ensure that the provision of assistance is an exclusively humanitarian nature for migrants and is not considered unlawful." And I put the thing in the show notes and everyone go take a look at it, but you get the gist. And the Dutch are very, at least the ones that will email me about it, seem to be very concerned about this. Very concerned. Yeah, they should be. Yeah, which is interesting at the same time when Hillary Clinton. I have that clip. With her interview in the Guardian? I don't have her talking but I do have the report. Okay, yeah, where is it? Hillary. Yes. It's very interesting that this comes into play. The minute we have this global compact coming into vision, this is what she tells the Guardian. Hillary Clinton has called on European leaders to curb mass migration to the continent. She says it's helped spread right-wing populism.

30:56 In an interview in the British newspaper, The Guardian published today, the former Democratic presidential candidate and Secretary of State warned, if we don't deal with the migration issue, it will continue to roil the body politic. She said it lit the flame for racist political ideologies in Europe. Clinton's comments sparked outrage and confusion from immigration activists and European lawmakers who cited her long track record of welcoming immigrants. Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that all works. It was very, very strange. And then finally, with a little ditty at the end, he says, if you can find old clips of her bitching about the Mexicans coming in across the border. Of course, of course. So there's no consistency here. But there's, you know, if she's going to play the game of being a progressive neoliberal,

31:45 Even though there's, I guess, some self-contradiction there. She has to stay on one side of the fence for the other. She can't be saying stuff like this. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm confused. John Kerry was also quoted in some European publications saying similar stuff. Like, very odd. Maybe maybe these people still think that when they do an interview overseas that we don't see it here. Is that possible that they that dance? That's your long-standing theory May could be could be hmm Okay. Yes, I don't have much more from from Euro land Let's see what I think I have something else

32:37 Oh yes I do actually, I'm sorry. It's a short clip. You know I have several friends in the United Kingdom and they always like, you know whenever there's a mass shooting they always like to send me a link and say how are those guns working out for you? And I'm not kidding, they love doing that. Meanwhile... Oh yes, the Brits in particular. Knife crime is at an all-time high, particularly in London. You know, four or five people stabbed a day, many fatal. Okay, that's fine. But the latest is this I love this and I think the the police You know the British police famous for back in the day the Bobby's never had didn't digit a club Club and a helmet didn't have any weapons that's changed and now we have this new issue people swiping mobile phones while on their moped

33:28 So of course it's easy prey because you know as we know everyone's on their mobile phones, they're holding it, they're walking around, they got two of them. It's very easy to grab that. So along comes a moped, bam grabs your iPhone, your $1,300 handheld computer. And now the police have figured out a way to go after it. It's too bad we don't have video for once on the show, but you'll get the gist of how they are going after these moped cell phone robbers. London Metropolitan Police are tackling criminals on motorbikes in a new way. Specially trained drivers are using police cars to knock them off their two wheels or they're forcing them to crash.

34:06 Scotland Yard has released this footage showing how they're pursuing and ramming into the thieves. Senior officers at Scotland Yard say there's no maximum speed at which police vehicles might hit motorcycles. It says the policy is for officers to assess the risks of a particular chase and make a judgment accordingly. Police say it's a myth that they won't chase riders who've removed their helmets. It comes after thousands of mobile phones have been reported stolen by people on scooters And the video is fantastic They're rear-ending these guys and they like rear-end someone on the motorbike and the guy flies over the hood of the cop car They break he slams off. It's fantastic. Yeah. No, yeah, no, you know there is I've seen

34:51 I've seen these, this is pretty funny. And they're hitting him from the side, head on, any way they can get him. If you give a guy and a cop in a car, because it's a boring job anyway generally, hey, there's a moped guy, go run him over. I mean, what are you going to do? It's like playing some old video game. I cannot imagine. That would not be accepted in the United States. I can't imagine... No way! I don't think anyone would say that's okay. Now I'm sure this stuff happens. And then the guys somewhere along the line, these idiots decided that if they took their helmet off... Yeah, they'd be safe. ...that they're not going to hit us.

35:29 So they rip their helmet off and throw it out of there. And it seems to me with that kind of the way it's set up, the cops would say, here's a guy with no helmet, get him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, it's fantastic. Just fantastic. You know, I think we may see more crime with these e-scooters. Wasn't there an article about some guy who escaped the cops on one of those bird bikes on the e-scooter? The electric scooter? This I missed. Yes, well actually had an interesting Thanksgiving conversation with some of the Millennials here and there was a point I hadn't thought about is with all of these electric scooters and just if you don't know I'm talking about it's like the kids you know step along scooters that are motorized. These things are being created and built at an incredible rate. They're just being pumped out. They're all built in China

36:27 They have huge lithium-ion batteries either on the front post or underneath. You gotta ask, how long will it take before one of these turns into essentially a flying bomb? These things explode. You hit something hard enough, you just... I don't know if lithium batteries have this tendency if they're poorly made. And if you disrupt them with a, you know, with some kind of impact, I don't know, 15 to 20 miles an hour should probably do it. I think we'll be seeing these reports pretty soon. Yes, good prediction. Yeah, and it should be a terrorism threat. Really? Yes, I think it should be a terrorism threat. I think these scooters are terrorist devices. Black Friday.

37:14 Yes, I have a clip if you want to intro it, starting with the clip from PBS, the Black Friday report. Yes, I would like to do that. Millions of Americans spent this Black Friday swarming stores and scouring websites for deals. The retail data firm ShopperTrack estimates today's sales will hit $23 billion. That's up more than $2 billion from last year. Across the country, retailers saw the annual rush of shoppers bursting through their doors before sunrise, scrambling for discounts. The vents took a violent turn near Birmingham, Alabama. An argument between two men at a mall there ended in gunfire. Police shot and killed the suspected shooter. An 18-year-old and a 12-year-old bystander were wounded. Now, I tried to look around to get some, you know, your typical Thanksgiving Day footage, and there were... I didn't see... didn't seem like there were any big records of people, you know, trampling each other. It just didn't have the same vibe as it used to.

38:12 We had a lot of good, the same vibe here. I didn't get it here. Didn't get here. Mostly it's, oh, it's, you know, people are all doing it online this year, doing it all online, shopping online. No, that's the reports I got. No, our reports was the same as usual. And they said it was up 2 billion, which is a lot, which should actually help things. But my favorite thing, which I didn't think got enough news, I put a picture in the newsletter of the- That free shipping? The guy dressed in a bear costume. Oh Why didn't that get more coverage? I don't know the guy in the bear costume, so it looks like a cuffed polar bear You know I think that the Black Friday has gotten to a point of

38:57 in the US media where every report is probably sponsored, like they have a choice of going anywhere and they might as well say, hey everything's good over here, come look at Walmart or whatever. It just seems like it's native advertising at this point. You know I ran into a native, after the fact, I did this research, there was an Atlantic And people can look this up if you like Southern cooking and you can't do a decent biscuit. There's an article on why we can't cook good biscuits, and it refers to specifically soft red wheat from the South that is sold as all-purpose wheat and self-rising wheat. The kind of wheat they sell by these various vendors down there is different than the Northern wheats, which will not make a decent biscuit.

39:44 Are we still on Black Friday? What are you doing? No, I'm going on. I'm still on Black Friday in a roundabout way. I'm just reasserting a point you just made about native advertising. Because you said, to reiterate, that it seems as though all these reports aren't really about Black Friday, they're about some, and I think this has been true for a few years because they talk about Kmart and all these other, Kmart and Walmart. Did you find another one of those secret shopper stories? You know, the secret donor who donated, they always do that? No, I did not find that story, but let me finish my, since I started the biscuit story, I should finish it. So at the end of the article, they go on and on about this one,

40:33 Wheat lily white made out of some Southern state Completely ignoring because I did some research afterwards and I found about ten of these companies That made a soft wheat flour in the south in Kentucky and elsewhere But no she has this one and then she says and it's only available on Amazon. Yeah, I And I'm reading this thing and thinking about the fact that, you know, all these other products that you can get directly, you can buy, you can look it up and you can find Weeden Meyers or some company in Kentucky, it seems like a good deal, cheaper and better. And it's got long history from the 1860s.

41:16 But this was like, I'm reading this, it seems like a real article about something and then it boils down to Amazon's the only one who carries it. You have to buy it from them. Yeah, of course. And I'm thinking this is ridiculous. There's no... I just was very... I was very irked by this. Yeah, people are going to be very sad once they figure out that Amazon has taken over everything. There are no more local retail shops. Mom and Pop is dead, literally. It's gonna be upsetting. I think that we... in looking at Google as the true evil corp, I think it's Amazon. Amazon is probably a lot more evil than Google.

41:59 Well at this point I'd say yes to that. Now Black Friday, I mean... But who's gonna stop using them? Oh I'm really trying to diminish my use. It's very difficult when you send me links to the SSD drive that I need to get from Amazon. Where else would you get those products? That's what I'm saying. It's very hard. It's already very hard. But I do try. I do try to I'm failing but I try I tried to get stuff at other outlets online But it's hard. You know, it's it's it's the 800 pound gorilla now back to Black Friday So as far as I understood from the reports we had one One fatal shooting yeah sounds about right

42:47 Let's see how everything was in Europe, where we also have Black Friday and they also reference another holiday which people called me out on. Before you play this, can I mention one thing? When I was there last year, they were having Black Friday because I was there then in London. And I was quizzing people about this. What is... You don't even have Thanksgiving. How do you have Black Friday? And they all told me, everyone said this, it's Amazon has been promoting it. Interesting. That's not what this report tells us from Euronews. It's time for today's power play. It's all about a backlash against a very American phenomenon which is growing in Europe. Backlash against the American phenomenon. Backlash. Let's take a look.

43:35 Black Friday. It might just drive you to despair. Bargain mad shoppers literally falling over each other just to get 40% off a television. The American phenomenon is linked to Thanksgiving. And even though Europe does not mark this holiday, Black Friday has been creeping onto its continent in recent years, with sales increasing by 32% in Europe last year. But not everyone is happy about it. In France, Greenpeace has launched a counter campaign calling on Europeans to ditch the park and fuel chaos in favor of getting active and spending time with family and friends.

44:17 Maybe Sweden or Finland, can't remember. So you have to get into her accent for a second. So they really kind of like the whole idea that, you know, they've got these sales are going up and that's good for the economy, but it's an American thing. So it's, you know, inherently disgusting. It's just, it has Americanism all over it. It's just... So we're going to do it a little different. We're not going to be as crazy as them. Of course, you're only just getting started. I think that first image encapsulates what Black Friday is, you know, in our heads. But then there's, you know, again, we're talking about messaging. So you were shaking your heads when you were looking at that. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Black Friday, it's a sale. Well, it's a good foil wallet, but it's bad for the planet. We are already consuming 1.5 planets every year.

45:02 This is a statistic I didn't know existed. Did you know we are already consuming 1.5 planets every year? What is she talking about? The, uh, and I looked this up, the assertion is that this last year or this past year we consumed more minerals than the planet actually can provide to us. It's just, it's like a global warming statistic. is what it is. It's except about climate, it's about minerals. It's like peak oil. Yes, thank you. It's peak product is what it is. But it's bad for the planet. We are already consuming 1.5 planets every year. And so we really should think carefully. I don't know.

45:48 It may be the translation that makes it funny. We're consuming 1.5 planets! But it's bad for the planet. We are already consuming 1.5 planets every year and so we really should think carefully what to buy and by quality and of course good price if possible but not just to rush and buy anything because it's cheap. But what about this idea that this is so American? Do you think that's something that people think about? France especially. Well, brands companies are getting more global so they have global approaches. We can think about Halloween for example that was kind of introduced to Europe. Oh, you know I got people telling me it was bullshit, that Halloween is not true, it's not happening in Europe, it's even happening in France. So there's no more resistance to something American? Not necessarily. I think that it's a balance. There's a try to use a phenomenon to promote products then there'll be a response of

46:35 society which can be that harsh but also I think a balance will happen through our time. But very quickly Laura, should there be a different messaging when it comes to Black Friday in Europe? No I don't think so. I mean I think that if it's going to work it will work on the same basis. A different messaging. Don't buy a lot but buy responsible. Which is that everybody likes a bargain. I mean I'm half American and I've actually just come back from the States and I was there for Halloween and I can assure you that even while people go a bit crazy for Halloween here it's nothing like in the States. So even if we get Black Friday here it's not going to be like it is in India. No one is going to die. Well there you go. Maybe the sale is actually quite good there.

47:14 It's a bunch of haters. Haters who really, they're trying to make Black Friday more of a, you know, a social experience. No, it's about sales and deals and everyone knows it. You can't pretend that it's not. So these retailers can balance the books. Yes, it's just movies and inventory turn what I saw I forget was some mini documentary on Black Friday And it has had different meanings throughout the years There was a Black Friday when it would know during the Depression and there was a yeah of course had a whole different meaning There were there were different Black Friday Interpretations throughout the ages going back. You know decades and

48:07 But now according to the Wikipedia on shopping, the Black Friday word had to do with stock market crashes. This is a bad day on Friday, but specifically for this holiday, I said the word holiday. What is this? It's a day off in the United States anyway. Black Friday is an informant. I'm going to read from the wiki page so we can get to the bottom of it. Black Friday is an informal name for the Friday following Thanksgiving Day. It was just celebrated on the fourth Thursday. Black Friday has been regarded as the beginning of the shopping season, although the term Black Friday didn't become widely used until most recent decades. When I was a little kid, I never heard this term and I first started hearing it

48:46 I don't know, maybe... When did you first hear it? Because maybe 15, 20 years ago? Oh no, I've only heard it in the context of shopping. What I learned is that in the 50s it referred to the practice of workers calling in sick the day after Thanksgiving and that's why it was called Black Friday. Well, here are the earliest evidence of the Black Friday plight to the day after Thanksgiving in a shopping context. Yes. Suggests that the term originated in Philadelphia, where it was used to describe the heavy and disruptive pedestrian and vehicle traffic that would occur on the day after Thanksgiving. And it made it all look like black, like everything was black. The usage dates to at least 1961.

49:30 More than 20 years later as the phrase became more widespread a popular explanation became the day represented at the point of the year when retailers began to turn a profit thus going from being in the red to being in the black. So it morphed. Ultimately, this is an American invention. We rule, this is what we do, we create these types of things and you suckers in Europe, you took it. We're good at it. Yes, we're very good at it. And we've created... And if this began in 61 and then morphed into what it is probably in the 80s I think is the way it is. Yeah, sounds about right. That means that we've been doing, the official Black Friday, the modern Black Friday, which means the retailers make all their money, and they all got a clue that everyone's gonna go shopping, so let's do it, let's go overboard. That is taking what, 30 years plus years? 80, 90, what, about 38 years? The Europeans, they don't know what's gonna happen. 38 years from now, they could be completely nuts

50:32 Well, remember we've created new holidays. We have Cyber Monday. We got the Cyber Monday. Which is going to get... This holiday, by the way, which is a bogus holiday of Amazon. It's not a holiday. It's not a holiday. It's a bogus... It's great marketing. And I believe that Amazon pushed the idea of Black Friday in Europe, if I'm, or at least in London, if I'm not, if these guys aren't full of crap. I would think you're right. To promote, because that, if Black Friday exists, then Cyber Monday will exist. Yeah. I think Amazon's genius marketers, if that's true. Well, it really only started in the last five years in Europe, so that would, I'm sure we could, we can track that back to Amazon, probably.

51:27 I don't think so. Oh, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's all people buying shit they don't need with money they don't have. So it keeps the country going. Well, sadly, that is the way our country, this country works. Why is it sadly? You don't like buying stuff? No, I don't like it. I will always remember George W. Bush. After 9-11 saying it's very important. We all go back to work and keep shopping Yeah, but it was it was kind of necessary because when you don't have the shopping taking place We can't create the fake monies to lend to you. Oh

52:12 Well, nothing happens if the shopping's not going on. We're a mercantile country based on an oil economy, which is something we can't ignore completely. And we know either one of those things is disrupted, you're just going to end up in a depression and then you get the opportunity for some socialist government to take over some bad things to happen, which is what some people strive for. Yeah, people shouldn't shop so much Well, that's what Greenpeace was trying to say yeah, that's what Greenpeace was trying to say in there their basis for saying that is ill-advised I got to tell you just a shopping experience since at least was here from school and you know, Tina the Keeper and I were consolidating our lives so, you know, I was the hell-bent on

53:03 Taking them away from sprint and bringing them to my t-mobile account, which is just better and cheaper in my opinion So we go to the coverage. There's the coverage good. Yeah, the coverage is really good Especially up in Arkansas where she goes to school. Oh Then you want t-mobile it's but it's also cheaper. I like it. Have you seen the CEO of t-mobile? Yeah, I have direct contact with John ledger the long-haired freak. Yes, John ledger. He's not a freak. Mm-hmm He's a friggin defending your friend. No, he's not my friend, but I've had issues and I dm'd him and he dm'd me back and gave me like his personal assistant to help me with that was when we were in Italy two years ago.

53:48 But anyway, I digress. So we, so you know the way it works is a big rigmarole and you get your hand in your your phones and you get new phones back and basically you don't pay for anything but then you just, you're moved over, the numbers are moved over and it's cheaper I guess for a while, we'll see. But two things, A, the T-Mobile store, we're the only ones there. So much for Black Friday. It was like where's all the shoppers? Nothing. But here's the other thing. I've always and I don't I have my iPhone 7 plus which is it sits in the corner on the charger The only reason it's there is it's running whatsapp so I can get to whatsapp from a web browser Elsewhere, I don't I don't use it in a little shrine. No, it's on the floor I don't use it but the girls use them and so they were gonna get new ones and

54:40 I don't know what Apple was thinking. I mean, I've been able to keep up with their, you know, the numbers. It's 7, 7+, you know, all the way back to the first one, which I had. Then I stopped at 7 and now we're up to, but now we have the, this is still have the 10. We have the XS, the XS Max, the RX, the, you know, it's all these different Model numbers and there's like you're buying a BMW. You know what? It's a bit like I'm confused about BMW or Mercedes numbers and you just see these phones as four new iPhones next to each other. The only difference you can really see is price.

55:17 Yeah, the phone this one's a little bigger than that one and that one looks a little bit brighter I think they screwed it up. What were they thinking with all of the it was so easy to remember Like the new phone has this number and there's the big one has a plus and now that you know This one has a better camera that one has an OLED versus an LCD screen. It's like hook I don't I think they made a mistake It's no, I think people just look and say, well, I can afford that one. Looks kind of the same. Does it work? Yeah, it works fine. Well, this is reminiscent of Apple's. Apple has a tendency to do this. They did this with the Macintosh once Jobs quit and Scully took over. And then Scully ran the business and way up, he 10x'd the company. And then once he left, I think Spindler took over after that, but once he left, they started

56:13 this weird branding of the Macintosh. There was the Macintosh II, there was the Macintosh LS, there was a whole series of Macintoshes that came out in boxes and stand-alones. It was really very confusing and I thought that it was something somewhat genius of them to do a yearly new iPhone and it was gonna be this iPhone, then it was Five than the six no and then you had the plus and then the s we had an s cycle so you knew I was gonna be a little color ones Well, that's the RX now the RX has the little color ones except you can't really get any color colors because no and you know They don't have stock of them enough. Yes. I don't know it just it seems like a marketing mistake to me as someone who

57:03 Just as I was just I'm like I'm not stupid. I've kept a lot of this use yeah There are people in marketing departments that really believe that lots of skews give people a lot of choices is a good idea I don't think so hmm. Well. I think you know we want I wound up saying We'll just get in the rx. You know looks fine. Yeah, it doesn't have the spiffy super camera on it or the OLED display, but it's got the a12 processor I think you're right. I think Google's, you know, following a more, you know, pixel, pixel 2. I mean, there's no... I think they're up to the pixel 3 actually. Pixel 3, got a pixel 3. That's it. There's not a pixel 3S and a pixel 3A and a pixel 3... 3Is. None of that. Yeah, I know.

57:58 Yet. Yeah, exactly. A little entremont before we take our first break. This came out this morning. I only had a chance to listen to it for one second. This is from CBS this morning. They are talking about conspiracy theorists. I'm always interested what people think a conspiracy theorist is because I would say that I am one. Huh? I said, huh. Let's see if the description fits what's inside the tin. What does your basic conspiracy theorist look like? If I ask people to close their eyes and imagine who that person is, most of them are going to think of a white male, middle-aged, look a lot like me. Tinfoil hat? Perhaps. Living in the mother's basement with a ham radio. Yes! Almost right except for the basement part.

58:48 Ham Radio. Thanks for, you know, we have this movement to get more people, younger people especially, into Ham Radio. And yet this guy like And I don't believe, by the way, that many of these conspiracy theorists, whatever they are, whoever they are, are hams. I don't think that many are. Is Alex Jones a ham radio guy? I don't think so. Is he a conspiracy theorist? Yes. Oh, okay. Well, no, I don't think he's a ham radio guy. Yeah. With that though... Thank you for making me a ham radio guy, and I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C That's right the man who put the C in compact for migration Dvorak

59:34 In the morning to you Adam Curry! In the morning all ships and sea boats to the ground, feet in the air, subs to the water, down to all the dames and all the knights out there. Yes, in the morning to the trolls. We got a late signal this morning but I'm glad y'all showed up. That's noagendastream.com where you can listen live to these shows during the day. The days of Saturday and Sunday, Thursday and Sunday morning. I'm very confused now. You can troll us in the troll room. We appreciate it and sometimes you get some good feedback from there. Also want to say in the morning to Uncle Cave Bear. He brought us the artwork for episode 1088. The title of that was Three Chambers. This was the poisonous gravy.

1:00:16 It would be the Friendsgiving gravy, which you detailed as to how that is produced. Hey, how was your Friendsgiving? You had a Friendsgiving, didn't you? The kids had a Friendsgiving? You went over there? Yeah, yeah. It was good. Yeah? The gravy was good. I tried it. I smelled it first. How much did you drink before you went over? I don't drink and drive. I don't drink that much when I'm going to drive. Conscience. All right. We do have two people to thank for today's show. By the way, I wouldn't should mention the people that are listening and I don't think there's going to be that many because Thanksgiving Day and the Sunday in particular that follows Thanksgiving are very slow. That's why most TV shows are on reruns and they even they won't even do late night shows. I'm surprised the news isn't a rerun, although when you listen to the news, you might think it is.

1:01:11 But we do have two people, one executive producer and one associate executive producer to thank. And the executive producer is anonymous, 10, and he gave $1,089.33, which is- It's even better than our 33 square. Today he showed 1089. So he's a member of the 1089 club, by the way, which is- Yep, yep. Hasn't been used for a while. That club hasn't been reopened for a while. Did it before the newsletter went out which had the 1089 offering because 1089 is 33 Squared which we thought would be a big deal and turned out nobody cares I Look at the spreadsheet like huh you thought people would like the 33 squared promotion

1:01:56 Yeah. No, no, not really. There was no interest. I'm always telling you, I want to thank people who did think it was cool, including anonymous here. But let's see. Here's his note. Anonymous. No jingles, no karma wins the classic software. Dvorak on typing going to be reimagined and re released for OTG phones and smartphones. No, that's no, we're not going to do that. First of all, You're not going to write it, I would write it. It's already been written. What? Dvorak on typing was a product that came out... Oh no, no, I mean, no, reimagined for OTG phones. Oh, reimagined, no, that's not going to happen. You had Dvorak on typing? Dvorak, your imaginations aren't that good. What is this? Tell me about Dvorak on typing, I'm not familiar with it. It was a product that came out in the, I think in the late 80s maybe, 90s, I'm not sure, from Interplay. I was working with them, they're a software company down in Southern California, this has long since been

1:02:54 switched around, I don't know what they're doing anymore. And it was just, they wanted to do this, I did a couple of products for them and they wanted to do this typing thing, but it was kind of a confusing problem, because it wasn't about the Dvorak keyboard. It was a Mavis Beacon clone. The name may this beacon rings a bell, but I'm not sure what that was. It was a typing program done by I think it was Broderbund. Oh, this taught you how to type? Yeah. Huh. And this was the same thing. Do you still have it? Does it still work? My contribution is mostly saying the letters. It's kind of a collector's. I'm hearing A,

1:03:36 That's you in the software. I need this! I need a copy of this! That's right! Good work! Do you say stuff like that? Excellent job! Oh, please, somebody find this software package for me. Yeah, if you can give first I need a five and a half inch disk and a five and a quarter inch disk. But yeah, it's out there's floating around. Oh fantastic. One of the many little things I've done and people so you were really so basically you were the precursor to Common Core Exactly Well, thank you anonymous we'll get right on that but more importantly thanks for playing thank you for putting For really giving us a boost there with your 33 squared for our special 33 squared edition of the of the show. I

1:04:24 1089 thank you. It's appreciated, and you will be the sole member of the 1089 club we have Vlodek Zelenin as a Lenin I think is his name I don't have a city for him for some reason. I think it's 202 I think it's low deck Zelenyak Zelenyak Zelenyak I think yeah 202 oh to a no jingles no note no nothing. Thank you crap so that was a short segment And that's it! Okay. Well, look we're happy we got anything, quite honestly. As John said, these are typically very, very bad, bad weeks. Or is this a bad week for sure? But I kind of enjoyed the tops we were able to discuss. I like the, you know, the globalization of Black Friday and stuff like that. So I was happy to be here and the support is of course appreciated. These credits

1:05:22 I was thinking about this over the two days of Thanksgiving, where really you're getting credits for credits, which is kind of cool. Because what is a number like 1089? It's a credit. It's a credit towards your payment facility and we're giving you an actual credit you can use in return. It's a real value for value proposition. The executive producer of No Agenda Show, 1089, you can put it anywhere, we will vouch for you. And remember, we have another episode coming up on Thursday and shoot will that be it will it be in December already? No, I think we have well maybe no no I think we're still good still in November okay so there's still a chance Bitcoin can rebound there's still a chance Bitcoin can rebound. That's right everybody keep hodling and go out there and propagate your formula. Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth

1:06:26 Shut up, sleep! It's a little segue here. Yes. I'm now monitoring Madame Secretary. Yes, yes. I'm glad you are because I can't watch it anymore. It's pretty hard to watch. Yes, yes. It's because it's pretty much taken over by the Lear Foundation. Well, as is the Candace Bergen show, the Candace Bergen show, which you're also supposed to be watching. Oh my God, that thing is unwatchable. Well, there was like a whole thing about, did we do the ice thing? Did we already do that from that show? I don't know. I'll go look at it. The Lear Foundation is all over these programs. Yeah, these two in particular. But let's just get a little, just a little, a little knife into Russia on this particular short clip. And this is a Talioni as the Secretary of State in a fictional story. In this case, it's a spy or ex-spy talking to the group. I don't think we know anymore what Russia is or isn't capable of. We need answers.

1:07:31 That's it? Yeah, that was it. I'm keeping these short. Yeah, I can tell. Well, I did watch something else about, I think we got through four episodes of the Clinton Affair. This is very interesting. I think it's originally a series done by A&E and now it's on Amazon. The Clinton Affair chronicles really the Monica Lewinsky story. and how that got, you know, extrapolated out of the white, originally the Whitewater investigation with the special prosecutor Ken Starr, which ultimately resulted in the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Yeah, but the impeachment was for his, had nothing to do with the Whitewater investigation and only had to do with his testimony about Monica where he lied under oath. The interesting thing, as you're already starting to point out here,

1:08:29 The, I did not know all of the history. I did not realize there the affair went on for two years. I did not realize the extent and I did not realize if you look at Paula Jones and There was one other one. Forget. What it really was about was sexual harassment in the workplace. And that's a little different than the way I recall this going. Of course, this was 95, 96, 97, 98. I was doing other things at the time, so I didn't pay that much attention to it. Probably didn't care. But, you know, there's one thing to

1:09:10 It really sexual harassment in the workplace is a huge issue where you're doing this to subordinates, and that's what? The Paula Jones was about and the other and one of the other women or multiple other ways couple But what's uncanny is the parallel and when you watch the series is like holy crap This is exactly the type of thing that's happening to Trump today. I I mean, right down to the same issues, the same defense, the same attacks. The difference is, you know, Trump, as far as we know, paid off hookers and porno stars to have sex with him. It wasn't necessarily sexual harassment in the workplace.

1:09:54 But the same idea of an investigation about something which was like, really the white water. Yeah, maybe there was something with the savings and loan. I don't know. Clintons did have Vince Foster's death in there, which, you know, Trump hasn't had anything like that yet. But you know, like a Russia investigation and eventually it's like our history repeats itself. We love in America, we like starting at the top with you're doing something really bad for the country and we bring it all the way down to a hooker and to sex and that's all that we seem to be able to do. is bring it down to someone having sex with somebody else and the parallel is just uncanny. You don't think it is, but when you see the series, you're like, holy crap. And just as bad, by the way, the name-calling, the horrible press reports, very similar. No wonder, no wonder Hillary wanted all this.

1:10:49 No wonder she enlisted MI6 and with Steele and all these guys. No wonder! Are you implying that this was her only way of getting sex? No, that's not what I'm implying. But it's very interesting to watch. I think we've seen four or five. Must have been a nightmare to clear all of that. It's just all these news reports, very good. And very little of Hillary. You know, it's really about Bill, about what he was doing, and it's Monica's story, I guess. But, you know, look at all the details. Definitely a recommendation. We're enjoying it very much. Good. Yeah. I was thinking of Equalizer 2 or something. I saw Equalizer 2 on the plane. Yeah, what did you think?

1:11:44 And, you know, it's like, ends well that all- all's well that ends well. Can't we just have the guy- everyone die at the end and just end it? It always has to end in a great way. I saw it as modeled after, a lot of people haven't seen it. Denzel Washington, right? That's what we're talking about? Yeah. I see it modeled after a classic Hong Kong style movie where there's some horrible thing that happens at the beginning and then the rest of it is revenge. And then at the very end, a classic Hong Kong movie that would just were mostly in the 80s. John Woo and some of these directors came out of this genre. The genre was very simple. And I think the Punisher would be one. There's a whole bunch of these.

1:12:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure. And it would always start off with some horrible, horrible like a rape murder that was very ridiculously graphic and people and then a revenge thing starts to get back at all the people that did the bad deed and the whole thing's a chase movie after that and then at the very end of these movies typically They get all the kill everybody, everybody's injured and then a house or a building or something blows up and then they shoot it from about 40 angles and there's a blow up, blow up, blow up, blow up. So it's not just one explosion, it's like the same explosion shot from 50 angles and then the heroes are all beat to crap and they're limping and they got crutches and they walk into the sunset. It's the same story. And here's the thing, I was wondering

1:13:20 How could I have ever missed the enforcer part one? I mean what happened who was that was that Denzel as well? Of the equalizer whatever it is the equalizer part one was a good movie It was go back and watch that I don't think so. It was a great air airplane movie It's to me it felt like be on my agenda is the mission impossible the newest one that they just finally put on DVD Felt to me like this was Denzel getting a house, and you know Sun Valley or something like yeah, I'll do this Do a number two, but he did anyway now speaking of movies in Hollywood I

1:13:57 We get a rare opportunity today as the MPAA, the Motion Picture Association of America, has uncloaked its true mission had we had net neutrality and I think now this could still be implemented of course in California where as far as I know the net neutrality laws have passed and as specifically although billed as hey man no one can slow down your Netflix or even slow down your Noah gender show because all has to be no no one gets any priority no fast channels

1:14:33 The part that this show focused on was the small use of the words ISPs may legally block unlawful content and unlawful traffic, which is what seemed to be quite an issue as you know, what is, it's not illegal by the way, it's unlawful is a little different. I mean you can create, something can be unlawful very quickly. So the MPAA has put out the recommendations. This is what they want legislators to work on. I believe this is what they wanted to have implemented with net neutrality and it's pretty interesting. Four main topics that I just want to discuss. They demand hosting providers filter using automated content recognition technology, which as we know works really well.

1:15:24 To forward Digital Millennium Copyright Act notices, DMCA takedown essentially, to users, terminate repeat infringers after receipt of a reasonable number of notices and prevent re-registration by terminated users. implement download bandwidth or frequency limitations to prevent high volume traffic for particular files, which sounds like that wouldn't have fit with net neutrality anyway. Agree not... No, that does a whole lot of second. Yeah, I know. I know. I thought the net neutrality was all about that. I know. I'm just reading it to you. Well, now of course net neutrality didn't happen, so maybe they added that in.

1:16:06 But even then, that would not be in accordance with net neutrality, which they supported. We continue. Agree not to... Okay, you're joking. This is the MP. Yeah, these are guys trying to protect their movies. Yeah, but it goes pretty far. Agree not to challenge third-party application of court orders regarding suspension of hosting services in cases by rights holders against pirate sites. Remove files expeditiously and block referral traffic from known privacy sites. So this is where it gets interesting. They continue reverse proxy servers should disclose the true hosting location of pirate sites upon referral, terminate identified pirate sites and prevent these sites from re-registering and agree not to challenge third-party application of court orders regarding suspension of reverse proxy services.

1:16:55 ISPs should forward digital Millennium Copyright Act notices to users, terminate repeat infringers after receipt of a reasonable number of notices, and prevent re-registration. Also, expeditiously comply with document subpoenas for user information and block sites subject to court order in the applicable jurisdiction. And finally, social media should be compelled to remove ads, links and pages dedicated to the promotion of any privacy devices and terminate repeat infringers. They really want to block links. A site that has a link to anything. Which of course Google would be the biggest offender but they're the good guys. And I think it's very telling to see what the

1:17:44 the Motion Picture Association of America really wants. But more importantly, they claim that they have the right to do this because of the Constitution. And yeah, I want to read this to you because I actually looked into it to try and figure out what they meant. Let me see where it is. Where is the... they call it the... I think they call it the copyright clause, although that's not what it's called in the Constitution. So they released a very large document, the MPAA, and this is, what do they actually call this? It's their rationale for all of these horrible things they want to implement. And they say that, they cite here specifically, respect for copyright driving innovation and competition.

1:18:38 And here's what they say, which I think is very disingenuous. Respect for copyright helps drive this creative and economic activity, making the United States the global leader in the creation of content enjoyed worldwide. And here it comes. The Constitution's copyright clause recognizes that securing the rights of creators in the fruits of their creativity, including to determine how to disseminate their works, increases both the production and distribution of content to the ultimate benefit of the public. And this thinking to me, and I've looked at several Supreme Court cases, it is so contrary to what the Constitution says in my humble constitutional opinion. Well, let me tell you what I think. Well, let me, no, you can't because you come in after I've told you. Section 8 of the Constitution indeed has the following clause, which is not titled the copyright clause, it's just a part of Section 8 of the Constitution, and it goes as follows.

1:19:41 to promote the progress of science and useful arts by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to the respective writings and discoveries. That is one of the powers Congress has. And they somehow believe that this means that this is to let content creators enjoy the fruits of their labor. But that, and they say distribution is a part of this clause by taking the word promotion and progress and saying, oh, that's about distribution, so our distribution needs to be protected. This is all, they lay this all out. But really, what I believe the Constitution says, and I am interested in what you have to say, is they're not about

1:20:31 making more money for the creator, they're saying to promote the progress of science and the useful arts, that would be technology, for the people by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right and now of course the limited time has become the lifetime of the creator plus 70 years and it's plus I think 95 it was a corporation 50 years yeah it's it's insane what that's become and this is a comp I think this is something that should really be revisited at a Supreme Court level. It is just disgusting the way they are taking this clause and turning it into something for the creator. No, it was so that people could receive useful knowledge and information to build upon, to promote for the people, not for your profit. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about it. Copyright law was to protect the creator for 26 years and then he could renew it for another 26 years if he wanted to.

1:21:35 and then it'd go into the public domain, which means Mickey Mouse, for example, should be in the public domain by this law, and so should Donald Duck and all the rest of these Disney things. And the idea was, so the guy who did the invention of the creation, even though there's patent laws that also protect those guys, would make out from, you wanna be creative, but it wasn't for life. And it wasn't like for anything, it wasn't for something you could just sell. I mean, now it's become a commodity. You create something and you sell it to somebody else and then they now own it. That's not protecting the creator. I mean, it is for the moment that he gets the check. The whole thing is a scam. But what I'm saying, so I'm disagreeing with you here because I do not believe that this was to protect the creator. No.

1:22:27 is not to just protect the creator, it is to have a time limit where the actual invention can help the general public. That is the distribution part, to progress, to give it to the people at large in the public domain. Well, I don't know about the distribution part. 26 years was just arbitrary. There's no rule that says 26 years, that was just made up and now it's been extended to, as you say, 150 years is about the lifetime of a copyright or a patent. Yeah, everybody's dead. Yeah, no, I said it twice now. The point was, yeah, they get protected for 26 years because otherwise it would just be like...

1:23:07 the stuff would be stolen instantly. So you wouldn't be able to even do a magazine, just steal it. That's not paying anything for anything. Cause it's just easy to steal. And so they had to protect this guy for a while. And then it was supposed to go into the public domain, which I did say, and that was what benefited the public where you could, you know, work upon it, use it for something else. You could rejigger it, you could rewrite it, you could do other things with it. Well, all I'm saying is the Motion Picture Association of America's interpretation of the Constitution has been debunked by as far back as Justice Brennan that this is not intended to secure the rights of the creators and the fruits of their creativity to ultimately benefit the public because it doesn't benefit the public. It benefits the corporations at this point.

1:23:59 And it's just, I'm just blown away by how they think that that's what that constitutional clause means in section 8. It's all about them. Well yes it is! And what they're, and they're screwing themselves because now we've gotten to this point we have too many services. That's why we're gonna see people start stealing content again. Because you know, you can't... Again? Yes, in bigger numbers. I think it definitely got better with easy access through Netflix, but then you have Netflix, you have Amazon, you have Hulu. You have to have $500 worth of subscriptions if you don't want to have FOMO and want to watch the latest coolest show. So of course people don't do that. No.

1:24:44 You can't monetize it. There is the cord cutting phenomenon, which is partly due to this overpricing. Partly due. It's because of the overpricing. Yes. And the kind of the scamish aspect of bundling. I mean, if you get a subscription, say, how many people watch more than one or two movies a month on Showtime? HBO, Starz, and all these other things that you subscribe to in a bundle and it costs you a lot of money and you're really just seeing two movies. You have the access. The whole thing needs to be rethought and the MPAA is, to me, they're making the same kind of mistake that the RIAA made when they brought to the public's attention the fact that you could get MP3s by downloading them for free

1:25:31 which was just an underground thing for years. It was usually done by DJs and people that, you know, they just really couldn't put a collection together. And it was an underground trading and college kids were the biggest, probably the biggest thieves. They had many of the college networks had all these songs that had somebody slipped onto the network that school didn't even know about it. And they were trading back and forth and listening to music. The college kids couldn't afford to buy all these songs and albums, and most of them weren't that good at the time. But it was just underground. It stayed that way until the RIA came up and brought it to the attention of the public at large. Hey, look what's going on! And the next thing you know, everyone's saying, yeah, geez, oh, this is cool. And then Napster became a thing because of it. The whole thing is poorly thought out. Why can't they take Pirate's Bay offline?

1:26:28 Why would, what do you mean why can't they? Who's they? They are, they're MPAA. They're, they're in that document you just read. They're talking about sources of distribution. They can't. How they have to. They can't and that's why net neutrality was needed and now that as I said, as I prefaced this decloaking shows what they wanted to do at the ISP level. They want to shut you down under the unlawful content, unlawful network traffic clauses. That's the point. They can't, you can't shut down torrents, you can't shut down stuff, it's peer-to-peer, it's always going to be around. That's where they're going after the ISPs. And we only have four of them. We only have a few real ISPs, certainly in the United States, and they just want to block that traffic. Ah, it's a referral link, ah, it's a proxy link, ah, it's torrent traffic, ah. And they have agreements, and they have agreements with all the payment services.

1:27:24 So they... Comcast, Comcast, it's in their interest to block those things because they sell movies. Yeah. They have their own, you know, Netflix clone that they, you know, if you're a Comcast customer, you can, most of the ISPs do. Rent this movie. It's new. Rent this movie. three bucks, four bucks, whatever it is. And they would love to be able to block this stuff. But I don't know how they're going to get around the technology. Technology, these guys are slow on the draw. They're not technologists. They're a bunch of bureaucrats and lawyers. Why are you arguing with me? We've already agreed on this point several times in the past.

1:28:01 This is what every time you turn around now you have the VPN can go but past all this stuff and what are they gonna do about it? Which is exactly what they said they want they wanted to mandate that referring link traffic from VPNs would be available so they would know if both sides a if the hosting part was in it where that originated from or if you were accessing from the wrong country for some sort of something you're not supposed to retrieve and You go to, okay, you take your VPN, everyone has one. I'd say half the users of this show have a VPN. You're just making my point for me. I don't understand what you're doing. I'm gonna make your point for you, because apparently you can't make it to me, but I'm gonna make it to you. So you got these VPNs all over the place, and they're encrypted every which way. They're encrypted to the VPN, they're encrypted from the VPN, they're encrypted from the VPN to the other site, and the other site back and forth.

1:28:56 I don't care what kind of deep packet sniffing you do to just look at this data stream that's just an anonymous data stream coming in just as a bunch of nothing. I don't see how you're going to be able to determine that it's a BitTorrent stream or anything else for that matter. These guys are fooling themselves. They're charging money. To fool themselves are charging money to somebody that this is not being done if you wanted to do this you have to do it some other way open your mind what i said was. They decloaked what they wanted to have happen with net neutrality in place.

1:29:33 If net neutrality was the law, they would have easily... It is in California. I also said that. And so I said we'll have to see what happens in California. If it was the law, you better believe they would have ways to say unlawful traffic, unlawful content coming from these IP addresses, their VPNs, their proxy servers. They would have every right and the ISPs would have to comply. That's my only point. They have to make VPNs illegal. No, you can't tell it's not unlawful traffic. Unlawful, yes, unlawful traffic or unlawful content. They could easily have said that IP address is a VPN. It's a proxy server that's serving VPN clients that needs to be blocked at the ISP level. That was the plan all along. One of the plans.

1:30:26 I think you can, I think you definitely can. Of course you can do that. That would be, it's too late. These guys are always too late. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to see them try. Yeah. I mean, what do you do about banks? What do you do about these, these, these... kind of encrypted systems that have to exist or these companies can't do business. So it would have been a nightmare. Yes, it would have been a nightmare. And I think what's interesting is let's see how it works in California because they're going to start suing. California now has these laws on the books. You'll see. We're gonna find out exactly what would have happened and it's probably gonna happen in California because of the net neutrality laws that include those clauses.

1:31:13 I think in California, which is where you'd think it would happen because of course they put net neutrality in, California's also the home of all these content producers down in Hollywood. You'd think that this would be the perfect place for a testing ground. But because of the crunchiness of the whole state and the way everyone sees things, they won't be able to implement anything that would attack an ISP. Because besides having Hollywood, we also have the largest tech community, I believe, in California. And they're not gonna let this... I mean, they'd force... Net neutrality is not killing VPNs. Not yet.

1:31:54 Not yet. Well, this show will be long over by the time they get that far. You know. If there's only one thing I fundamentally disagree with is you base a lot of your assumptions of when something will happen on old situations before social media, before, in fact, often before the internet. Facebook is going to die in our lifetime, John, it will, even without a competitor to Facebook. It's going to happen. People have choices for other things, they get fed up, they have other things to do in life, all on their phone. But they still have other things to do. They're gonna leave things. Things will happen fast. I really believe things happen faster. Yeah, I know you believe that but I think your belief in this in particular with Facebook is wishful thinking more than it is objective analysis. Oh, okay. You hope it does. No, I don't care. I really don't care one way or the other. I will say this that I yes, I do base things on things like you say on the past.

1:32:52 Because people were predicting the demise of IBM, you know, during when the microcomputer came. But ah, it's the end of IBM, the microcomputer's gonna take them out, it's about time. And it was the same thing, it's wishful thinking. But we didn't have the internet then, we didn't have the same infrastructure, so of course. So what? Well, speaking of crunchy then, let me take us on a different topic with something to listen to. Podcast advertising. We don't do it, and there's reasons why we don't do it. But I have a piece of podcast advertising that is running rampant. You know, we've had the Squarespace, we've had the... What's the underwear everyone was advertising? Oh, God, there's an underwear thing going around. You're right. And also the mattresses. It's Casper the Mattress. What was the... What's the... The hell was that? The... Come on. Joe Rogan has them as a sponsor. I don't know the underwear. Yeah, it's an underwear thing. It's like, they're perfect fit. They're great.

1:31:54 Not yet. Well, this show will be long over by the time they get that far. You know. If there's only one thing I fundamentally disagree with is you base a lot of your assumptions of when something will happen on old situations before social media, before, in fact, often before the internet. Facebook is going to die in our lifetime, John, it will, even without a competitor to Facebook. It's going to happen. People have choices for other things, they get fed up, they have other things to do in life, all on their phone. But they still have other things to do. They're gonna leave things. Things will happen fast. I really believe things happen faster. Yeah, I know you believe that but I think your belief in this in particular with Facebook is wishful thinking more than it is objective analysis. Oh, okay. You hope it does. No, I don't care. I really don't care one way or the other. I will say this that I yes, I do base things on things like you say on the past.

1:32:52 Because people were predicting the demise of IBM, you know, during when the microcomputer came. But ah, it's the end of IBM, the microcomputer's gonna take them out, it's about time. And it was the same thing, it's wishful thinking. But we didn't have the internet then, we didn't have the same infrastructure, so of course. So what? Well, speaking of crunchy then, let me take us on a different topic with something to listen to. Podcast advertising. We don't do it, and there's reasons why we don't do it. But I have a piece of podcast advertising that is running rampant. You know, we've had the Squarespace, we've had the... What's the underwear everyone was advertising? Oh, God, there's an underwear thing going around. You're right. And also the mattresses. It's Casper the Mattress. What was the... What's the... The hell was that? The... Come on. Joe Rogan has them as a sponsor. I don't know the underwear. Yeah, it's an underwear thing. It's like, they're perfect fit. They're great.

1:33:52 It's like some special underwear company that the Tommy John Tommy John there we go Thank You troll room Tommy John me undies another one It has hot there's already competitors. It's pathetic if they're selling underwear on the podcasts. Oh it gets better This is a live read which I've always believed is the way if you're gonna do advertisements you got to do live reads I think that's the way to go. I still don't think the network can be monetized properly, but I've always believed in the endorsement model. This is the talk nerdy podcast not something I listen to. I actually got this from one of our Knights Sir Rod, Sir Atomic Rod. He is a nuclear expert and

1:34:39 He was a command. Yeah, he was coming. He commanded us nuclear submarine for I Always mess it up. But anyway, you know, he's not a dumb guy. So whatever this podcast is It's interesting to him and therefore interesting in general, but this is how the show opens with their live read commercial Enjoy, I'm gonna take a quick break to thank the sponsors of this week's episode starting with quick start Super yummy snacks made with cricket powder. They taste really good. They're good for you. And of course, I think what's the most important about them is that they're all about sustainability. This is the future of food, you guys. So these are snacks, crackers and protein bars that are made from crickets.

1:35:26 By the way, I think the reed is one of the best ever. Cricket powder. So don't worry, there's no like antennas or legs or like weird little crunchy bits. It's all powder. You don't know there's crickets in there except, you know, cognitively, which is good because you really do feel good eating these protein bars. They're actually really delicious. I think they taste better than those gummy. Are you ready to try one yet? Have we convinced you yet? Are you ready? No. Chalky protein bar. You stop, just stop for just a second. I'm trying to decide if there is a note, I can't say for sure, but a note of incredulity with this woman trying to be sincere. In other words, I know she can't possibly be sincere, but she sounds like she's trying or you think it's just a dead read, but she's got a lot of life in it.

1:36:20 for the life of me can figure out this read at all. Well, yes, I think that the one that hooked me in was this is the future of food you guys to me. It's like now I want to hear about it. That you usually get in the store and they have yummy flavors like there's a cardamom flavored one that I'm really partial to and there's And they're really good crackers too that you can dip in hummus, you can eat with cheese or with guac. And they're good for you. We can do crickets and hummus now. You too. They've got like lots of seeds and seed butters and hemp and yummy things like chocolate and dates in them. The great thing is you can keep them in your bag so that you've got food on the go.

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1:38:05 I just I couldn't stop listening. You can get clip of the day for that if you want it. It's your option. No, I have it instead of clip of the day. I'll do this. Tastes like poop. That's all I want to do. Mike, that is the damndest thing I've ever heard in terms of her full enthusiasm. It's the future of food, guys. I don't believe she's enthusiastic unless she's a lizard. It's the future of food, you guys. This is another thing I've noticed. How can somebody do a podcast where they're trying to, I don't know, maybe it's just a humor podcast, they're just doing jokes. I don't know, it's called Talk Nerdy, I don't know, it's nerd stuff, I don't know. I don't know.

1:39:04 It just seems so shameless. Shameless. I use the word a lot today. But this is very shameless to say it's the future of food and then go on and promote something like this. This is, and I'm not gonna say which podcast this is, but this reminds me of the guys who, they do one mattress and then the next, greatest, greatest, and then the next, you know, a month later it's a different mattress, which is the greatest, it's the greatest. Yeah, well, I don't think that's new. I don't think the broadcast history would show that We haven't found products being the greatest. I was listening to Mark Levin. Mark Levin. The great one, Mark Levin. And Mark Levin was going on about one of these systems where you know you check your make sure that you don't have your identity stolen. For months and months and months it was this one company. I'm not going to plug either one of these companies. And then all of a sudden

1:40:01 It's another company. And both of them do the world's greatest jobs. It just seems to me, and I don't know if people can, I mean, people bitch and moan about all kinds of dishonesty of all sorts, you know, from up and down, the media is dishonest, the president's dishonest, everybody's dishonest. But how could you do something like what we do, which I think is the point you were making, and then do that? and claim to be neutral or whatever he's supposed to be. That bug read is the worst thing I can imagine. It's a podcast guy. I like the term, it's the future of food, you guys. I hear this a lot, you guys, you guys. I'm assuming you clipped that as an ISO. No, I didn't actually, damn. Because that's the way they end the show. No, I actually clipped an ISO from

1:41:00 Where is it? From the French is what I clipped an ISO from. Oh, okay. Yeah, let me see. What was it? It was the... What were we talking about? About the... Yeah, about the riots. Here it is. This is the ISO I clipped. What are we? What are we? Are we sheep? Yeah, the problem is it's muddy. Yeah, it is a little muddy. I agree. There's another term that I hear a lot. Because, you know, we watch a lot of YouTube videos to get stuff. You know, you just wind up watching YouTube videos. This is the phrase that I'm getting a little annoyed by. I'm gonna go ahead and... Have you noticed this? I have. I'm gonna go ahead and start the donation segment. But now that you mention it, I'll be annoyed by it every time I hear it. Okay guys, I'm gonna go ahead and let John explain that. I'm gonna go ahead and... Hey, why don't you go ahead and go to the bathroom? Why don't you go ahead and tell me what's going on with that? This is like... Yeah, it sounded like Lumberg on that office space. I hear this so much.

1:42:05 I'm sure people are annoyed with stuff we say over and over but hey. Well we at least try to we try to correct our gaps. Let's play something from CNN did an interview with Zuck. Zuckerberg and you know he's not even getting taught him is must irk him because now it's just sending out some random reporter was probably the tech reporter and she's gonna go ahead and interview Zuckerberg and it's you know it's not the top level that he's used to because you know I think he's you know well can I interject yeah

1:42:42 I think the news media has finally gotten a clue and looked at their numbers and said, hey, why are we giving this guy a free pass? Good point. He's competing with us. Good point. This is, you know, I have my theories about Facebook. They are going to die in cost. That's really what it's going to come down to. And they're killing themselves, choking themselves as witness in this Interview with King Zuck. You are CEO and chairman of Facebook. That's an extraordinary amount of power, given that you rule a kingdom of two billion people digitally. Shouldn't your power be checked? What? I know. That you rule a kingdom of two billion people digitally.

1:43:27 I know, I know, I know. That's why I said it's like some some techie girl they put in there. Fan girl to go and interview and to be tough with him. Okay, go ahead and I'm just gonna go ahead and be tough with him. Of power, given that you rule a kingdom of two billion people digitally. Shouldn't your power be checked? Yes, I think that ultimately the issues that we're working on here, you know, things like preventing interference in elections from other countries, finding the balance between giving people a voice and keeping people safe. These are not issues that any one company can address. But let me give you an example of a place where I think independent governance is really helpful. So one of the things that we are going to start rolling out soon is basically letting people in the community get an independent appeal

1:44:18 Just listen to it for a sec. Listen to what he's saying, otherwise you'll miss the importance of his idiocy. is basically letting people in the community get an independent appeal when they feel like their content is taken down in a way that doesn't fit with our community standards. So now you post something, if someone else reports it, We we might take it down if we find that it's hate speech or violates our policies, but if you disagree You're gonna be able to appeal and you'll also be able to appeal to an independent body And that's an example where you know that independent body will have Will have real you know teeth and power and will be transparent in the decision that they're making and if I want to overrule that independent body then I'm not going to be able to so you are not stepping down as chairman and

1:45:13 That's not the plan. So the idea here, if we didn't have enough people already screening all content uploaded because artificial intelligence can't do it, now they're going to have tribunals? So they're going to get into conversation with people about this? That's going to bankrupt them. Well, well, they'll probably try to get volunteers. But I thought the most interesting thing about this clip was the journalist who misconstrues what he had to say. Yeah. Yeah. And at the very end says, oh, so you're not stepping down as chairman. And then he says, you're missing the point, which yes, she was missing the point because she's an idiot. Yes. Well, I don't know about them going broke with having these. I think the whole thing, I don't know. I don't use Facebook. I mean, you never have.

1:46:12 I would like to get a No Agenda Facebook account, which I might do. Why? Because you can't buy advertisements on Facebook unless you have an account. Can I tell you something? I don't want any advertisements of our show on Facebook. I'm just vetoing it right now. Besides, you've had two years to do it. You keep threatening. You've never done it. You have to have an account. Yes, I know. Look, for $100,000 the Russians won the entire 2016 election. I have to agree. I mean, it's sound... We can get a president in. The price seems too good to be true. I mean, it's just a dynamite outfit there. Yeah. We can get someone elected president for less than $100,000. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.

1:47:12 Okay, we're talking about it since I brought Trump up and you say well you guys are just a couple of Trump apologies You can use that thing. Here's the Merry Christmas medley that was used to just kind of ridicule Trump Merry Christmas Merry Christmas everybody and God bless you all Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas everybody. Merry Christmas everybody. Merry Christmas everybody. Serve God through serving others. So Merry Christmas everyone. Merry Christmas. May God bless our troops and their families and may God bless you all with peace and joy in the year ahead. And we are going to say Merry Christmas again. Oh okay, now I understand.

1:48:00 I guess there was Trump was lying about us not saying Merry Christmas. Is that what the idea was of that clip? Well, that comes out of Fox's. It actually all stems from O'Reilly, who's not even there anymore, but it's the war on Christmas. which was a bigger deal three or four years ago and it's kind of fallen by the wayside, but Trump still uses it as a talking point. Yeah, that's incorrect because obviously commerce understands the importance of Christmas. So there's still a lot of social justice stuff going on with happy holidays, etc. But I think ultimately, you know, the retailers are just, it's Merry Christmas. We just got to have Christmas and make it better for business. And no one's fighting that.

1:48:43 Yeah, I think you're dead right. It's better for business. Why would we want to downplay Christmas when it sells so much product? Sales! Yeah, that's what we're all about. The holiday season, because the holiday season refers to everything from the holiday Thanksgiving through New Year's. So it's a whole, you know, weeks and weeks, a month, over a month of buy, buy, buy. Yeah. Yeah. So there was a report I got from one of our millennials, and unfortunately like everybody in the family except me, because it always results in, did you take a picture? You have a phone? You got a camera? Did you take, oh, I forgot to take a picture. It's a very common problem I have here. I guess Whole Foods had, because people can't cook, had these, they sold turkeys and they sold whole meals in a thing,

1:49:51 container, you get a big giant aluminum container. Thanksgiving meal to go, good to go, Thanksgiving meal in a box. Half a turkey and a bunch of dressing and gravy in a big bucket. The Whole Foods on Ashby and Albany, I guess on Thanksgiving, had a line that was close to a quarter mile long for people lined up to pick up their turkey orders that were all pre-cooked, you know, pre-cooked meal. Really? Yeah. And apparently I was told that Amazon has been, they went with it and they started promoting it on Amazon so you can get, why cook? You can get a beautifully cooked, professionally cooked meal from Whole Foods, you just have to pick it up. That'll be better than anything you can do, idiot. Yeah, well cooking is of course going by the wayside to some degree. I think the big thing now is that the Instapot, is that what all the kids are talking about these days, the Instapot?

1:50:49 Oh, the Instapot? Yeah, the Instapot. Mimi told me about the Instapot about a year ago. And I kind of looked into it and she says that in Port Angeles in the city council, she's a, you know, politico up there. She says every old lady, it's not just the kids, she says every old woman raves about this thing. Oh, you've got to get one! It's just a pressure cooker as far as I can tell. It's a pressure, it's a programmable pressure cooker. Woo! Mmm, is it an internet of thing?

1:51:28 I'm sure it will be at some point. But this is what I see. I can turn them on remotely and blow up their house. This is what I see all the recipes for. Oh, and they've got a great Instapot recipe. They just throw stuff into the pressure cooker. Pressure cooker, wasn't that the 60s or 70s? They were huge. Oh, no. Let's go back to the Depression. Oh, really? They had pressure cooker, the Depression cookers. This was one of these great tools to save energy and really cook faster and, you know, it kept all the vitamins and nutrients in by cooking to death under steam pressure. Because you steam pressure, it would pressure, it would, the pressure would push.

1:52:13 The vitamins that are trying to leak out into the thing because it's a high pressure push it in. That doesn't sound right. That sounds like bull crap. So everything you have is... just imagine the advertiser pushing it in, not letting it get out. Yeah. And so yeah, I'm not sure when they became super popular, but my parents had them in the 50s, they had one, and I think they were popular during the Depression. I don't know when they were invented, I'll look it up as we speak. All I remember is my mom had one, now I'm talking 70s, and it had that little valve on the top, and I was like, well what happens if you pull that up? My mom would be like, then you'll have food all over the kitchen, don't do it. She always warned me to stay away from it. Yeah, it could also be dead. Well there's that, yeah.

1:53:00 Yeah, the pressure cooker, which is a great device. I use a Swiss pressure cooker that has three ways of not blowing up. Ah, a Husqvarna, no doubt. No, it's... What is this one? It's a... What is this thing? A Saab? Oh, Swiss. I'm sorry, Swiss. Swiss. Swiss, I'm sorry. Swiss, yes. Swiss. Swiss, you know, they're not going to let anything blow up in the place. I don't know what the brand is, but I'm trying to... I think the Instapot uses one and a half planets of power. I don't think it's very efficient. Doesn't seem like a good...

1:53:39 I know, I like cooking regular. Well, the old pressure cookers, I remember pressure cookers, they had the relief valve on the top and they're made out of pot iron and then they had two things that on the side you clamp it in, you clamp it down. So I mean this thing would be a real explosion if you do, if that relief valve didn't go off. I mean it would blow up the house. Must I remind you of the Boston bombing? Yeah, well it was pressure cookers. But yeah, I think they were used Once they were invented for the public, they were very popular. Because you could cook in a pressure cooker about one quarter to one third of the time, anything. It's the original microwave. The microwave is what pumped them out of the way.

1:54:25 Hey, before we go into our break, because I was reading the Hillary Clinton interview on The Guardian, you know, you run across The Guardian, they have a pitch very similar to kind of like what Wikipedia does, except Wikipedia has it at the top and they say right off the bat, you know, if everyone gave more one dollar And then we'd have enough and we wouldn't have to beg for money. And The Guardian puts this article at the bottom about their independent journalism. And I don't know if you've seen their recent And remember, this is the Guardian. They think that they are real news, the top, they are truthful, they are independent. Oh, they consider themselves the New York Times. Yes, they do consider themselves the paper of record next to the New York Times. I wanted to share with you their donation pitch, which is at the bottom of pages. It's in its own little box. And I want you to listen to this and tell me if you have any issue with what they're saying.

1:55:25 Their pitch goes as follows. Hey, you may have noticed the free press is under attack. President Trump refuses to condemn those responsible for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He revoked a CNN reporter's White House press pass and attacks the mainstream media at his mass rallies. The president recently praised a congressman for attacking a Guardian reporter. He has accused the American press of being the enemy of the people. In 2018, this is their pitch, in 2018, The Guardian broke the story of Cambridge Analytica's Facebook data breach. We recorded the human fallout from family separations. We charted the rise of the far right and documented the growing impact of gun violence on Americans' lives. We reported daily on climate change as a matter of urgent priority. The Guardian is editorially independent.

1:56:23 Our journalism is free from commercial bias and not influenced by shareholders or politicians. At the time when journalists are under attack, we need your ongoing support to continue bringing The Guardian's independent journalism to the world. Support the free press by making a year-end contribution to The Guardian. Thank you. And how disingenuous can you get? Wow. Yeah, you know, I think I've seen these pitches. I never read that. That's a good read. It's, it's, it's... They're full of crap, those guys. I'm gonna show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. So the pressure cooker was kind of invented in 1679 by the French. Really? But became popular in home cooking around 1939.

1:57:25 It took a while. Yeah, really? And it was popularized from the 39 through this 50s and 60s and onward. And now they're popular again with this, with the thing you talked about. Yep. The Instapot. The Instapot. It's been renamed, but it's a pressure cooker. Carl Lindner is the top guy. We don't have to rename him. He's at the top of our list from Cary, North Carolina. Came in with one, two, three, four, five. And he's getting knighted us today. Yes. Sir Carl of Cary. That's right. Sir Carl of Cary. Martin Benes, Benes, Benes, Benes in Kennesaw, Georgia, 12080.

1:58:17 He needs a de-douching. You've been de-douched. So his blood pressure's going up or down, I can't tell. Don't use my real name. Refer to me as Sammy Woo from Buffalo, New York, 10890. Jimmy Woo. He needs a de-douching. It's Jimmy Woo. Oh no, wait. Stop, stop. Stop the de-douching. I've been listening to this show since March. I was hit in the mouth by a good friend, Leo. He's a douchebag. Ah, okay, and then he, then Leo, not Leo, but Jimmy does need de-douching. I was right. You've been de-douched. It's all right. I got it. Now we have a bunch of 108.90 contributions, which is our gimmick contribution for the show. We got about

1:59:10 12, starting with Richard Huford, 108.90. Sir Patrick Coble, there in Tennessee, 108.90. Sir, I think it's Sir Thomas Butterick, I believe. Pretty sure, yeah, pretty sure. 108.90. John Knowles, 108.90. Chris Keffie, Keff? Keef? Keff? Keef? Keff Keef? Keef Keef? In Ghent, New York. Sir Knight of the Eastside. He wants karma for all the listeners, we'll put that at the end. Sir Hamus, Mooresville, North Carolina. Thank you for your courage. James Murray, 10890, a 33 haiku. From the morning, a little crackpot salute listens to buzzkill. Listens to buzzkill. All right. Oh, it's a haiku. Got it. Sabode, KC5DDY73. 73's. Give a five out for Charlie Charlie.

2:00:10 Randall Brown 10890, Gordon Jones 10890, William Cornell 10890. I'm donating so that John doesn't ruin Adam's Thanksgiving plans in vain. You know, I wound up not having to cook anything of course because I was way too late after we had technical difficulties and I have to say the millennial cooked the bird and did a fantastic job. It was a butter ball so that might have made it easy but it was fantastic. Thermometer pop out. Yeah, oh no no she did thermometers and basting and the whole thing it was fantastic. Very very impressed. Yeah, I was very happy very happy now. You should be thanking me. I don't think so Daniel would what I don't think so I'm not gonna be thanking you. Yeah, you think I don't think so Daniel would there was some jobs coming put that at the end for you Joe Giovanni Gomez or Giovanni Giovanni Giovanni this is one hundo for always keeping it at a hundred

2:01:08 Thomas Kilbright in Waco, Texas 100. David Flynn 99.99 in El Paso, Texas. Steven Etaft in Marietta, Georgia 8008. Oops. Sir Dan the Man boobs, Cape Coral, Florida 8008. Sir Brian Kaufman, $75.75 in Scottsdale, Arizona. Frank Pugh in Tallahassee, Florida. Baron Mark Tanner, $67.80. Frank Pugh is $75. Sir Brian Kaufman, $75.75. Baron Mark Tanner, $67.89 in Whittier. James Fulton in Stokesdale, North Carolina. Keep it up. Sir Loud Pipes in Charlotte, North Carolina, $55.10.

2:01:52 Matthew Scott in 5332 in Willard, Missouri. Happy 33 squared. Please dole out some relationship and jobs karma. Sir Chris Knight of the Vortex Ring Estate in Mercer Island, 51. Brian Richardson, 5069 in Aurora, Illinois. Michael Kleckner in Ewing, North Carolina. Ewing, New Jersey. Let me cough. You okay? These are all $50 donors name and location. Here we go. When applicable. Joe Winkie in Santa Rosa, the big-ass blonde. Hey! No, she's... I haven't heard from her in a while. We have not heard from the big-ass blonde for at least a year. Yes. Well, welcome back, BAB. I forget where she's from. We should remember. Texas. Texas. A Texas girl with a big ass. Yeah, and she's blonde.

2:02:47 Which is not uncommon. Alexa Delgado and... Alexa Delgado, Aptos, California. Kenneth Lindbergh in Miami, Florida. And last is a fairly short list, 38 total from everyone, very small. Mitchell Kaufman in Hillsborough, Oregon, wine growing country, 50. And we do have a note from somebody in that email that we left out. Yeah, I have a couple of notes. Mark Annabel wanted a Jobs Karma for his friend, Mick. Who hit him in the mouth four years ago on a US road trip and he's just been made redundant. That is, so we'll have jobs karma. Also, we got a night assistance request, which we like to break for our nights from Sir Snirkle, who is a long time producers and a knight. Almost six months out of work, seven people depending on me to pay bills, money runs out on Christmas Day.

2:03:44 Anyway, yeah, yeah, it's a whole long story, but he was made redundant. Companies love to fire people when that happens. Oh yeah, and he lives in Brisbane, but it's the Silicon Valley Tech Company that made him redundant just before Christmas. I have to say that too is a grand American tradition. What company is it? Let's name names here. I don't know if he named a name. That's a problem. No, he didn't. Anyway, he's even put his CV in, so I promised I'd put the link in. He is a knight and we like to help our knights out as much as possible. And of course, we hope that... Give him a job. Yes, give this guy a job. And we got some karmas for everybody. And thank you to everybody who supported this show, especially on the Thanksgiving Day version and our 33 squared. Typically, these are very low number days, but we're glad that someone showed up. Thank you very much also everyone who came in under $50.

2:04:40 typically reasons of anonymity but we also have those subscriptions take a look at them you can find them all at Dvorak.org slash N A Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. And today being the 25th of November 2018, here's our jobs list, our jobs list? Our birthdays list, not very big. Daniel Wood celebrates his birthday today and Dave Corbonu has a birthday shout out for his smoking hot fiance Joanna Lynn who turned 30 on November 14th. I think I may have missed that one so apologies. Happy belated birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

2:05:30 And then we do have by way of people just being on the layaway plans and saving up we got two nightings today very excited about that so you know grab your blade there from the very go to the shaves perfect we need Michael Howie Michael Howie and Carl Lindner. Lindner, Lindner, yes both of you hopping up on the podium here because you have supported the NOAAgenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. That gets you a seat at our round table of the NOAAgenda Knights and Dames and I'm very pleased and proud to pronounce the case. You guys

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2:06:47 to get stuff out. People say, hey, where's my ring? It can take a month or two, depending on the order status. You can imagine. It's definitely going to take longer in Canada. Yes. It's one of the hardest items to do because you can't just have an inventory of sizes. We try, but it's very difficult. So you wind up with a lot of odd sizes. It's something we just started on and we like it. We'll just keep it. But that's why sometimes it takes a little while. Thank you again for supporting the show Dvorak org slash and a another show for you on Thursday as we wind down the month of November Even though it's reported as a joke even Reuters picked up on it that the head of Russia's Space Agency says their mission to the moon will be tasked with verifying the American moon landings were real

2:07:44 I like that. It's a hoax. Rogozin was responding to a question about whether or not NASA actually landed on the moon nearly 50 years ago. He appeared to be joking, says Reuters, as he smirked and shrugged while answering, but conspiracies surrounding NASA's moon missions are common in Russia. Hmm, where does that put me on the spectrum? Russian. I'm a Ruski. Must be a Ruski. I have a couple other things. Oh yes, BBC Click. little piece about Artificial intelligence we'd love artificial intelligence that will be used to understand if a crowd is getting too rowdy So there well the story kinds of it explains it at the end of the day what we want to be able to do is Training set where you have some

2:08:38 some audio acoustical characteristics and knowing what the crowd was doing or how the crowd was responding. Oh yeah, it's great. We have to teach the computer that say that was that was the crowd cheering versus that was the crowd booing. See they have to know when to turn on the automatic water cannon. That's what this segment is about. If we have that training set then the computer can go through the recordings then look for those types of responses in the acoustic data and then you basically have a model for classifying different crowd sounds. When you get to different types of events, say that's going back to the original thoughts of things like political rallies, you may have more chanting going on. But again, a person chanting versus a person cheering versus a person booing, they should all sound acoustically similar. And so we think that studying the

2:09:31 the problem of sporting events should transfer into other type of crowd type events. So supposing it's a political rally and maybe things start off and the crowd is overall quite happy but things are beginning to slide into something a bit more hostile. I just wonder if the hope is that the computer system will pick up that hostility and give an early warning, perhaps pick up on it before the human beings do? That would be the goal. The goal would be able to be able to create a an early warning system for security or peacekeeping

2:10:08 that would allow the computer to essentially determine that the crowd mood is changing. And perhaps there would be triggers in that to say, okay, this has the potential for becoming violent. So flip on the microwave, nuke the fuckers! That's where all of this is going. You know, you can't have somebody watching and just determining one thing or another. Tell me if this is happy or if this is hostile. It's a happy version of lock her up. That's what I think too. But who knows? The algo might interpret it the wrong way. I don't know. We're talking about misinterpreting things. This is Aaron Burnett here misinterpreting something that Trump said. Out front tonight, President Trump attacking the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, doubling down on a slam against Justice Roberts this evening.

2:11:09 after the Chief Justice defended the U.S. judiciary to the president in an unprecedented public statement. Let me show you exactly what happened it all began when Trump was asked about a federal court ruling which was Against his new policy that would bar migrants who come into the United States illegally from seeking asylum Here's what the president said about the ruling. Well, you go to the Ninth Circuit and it's a disgrace and I'm gonna put in a major complaint This was an Obama judge and I'll tell you what it's not gonna happen like this anymore Okay, that sure sounds like a threat Okay That's what she sees as a threat? Does that sound like a threat to you? That he's going to put in a major complaint? I'm going to write a nasty note to the Times. That's a threat to her? Erin Burnett is really... She does a lot of eye rolling, head shaking. It's pretty unprofessional. I can't watch. I used to watch her a lot. I liked her. Now it's just everything. Eye roll, head shake. It's starting to...

2:12:15 Her dysfunction, her dystopia, whatever it is that she's exhibiting, stuff like this, is starting to show up on her face. Interesting point. I think she's losing some of her... Collagen. Cheery looks. Yeah, collagen. Collagen. That would be it. Collagen. It's collagen. It's drooping. It's the horrible puppet mouth. Meanwhile, Hayden had a stroke. Oh really? Michael Hayden? Yeah. Oh really? Oh crap. And, General, from everyone here at CNN, our thoughts are certainly with you, and we look forward to your recovery and getting back here at CNN as soon as you can. Actually, he's actually been hospitalized. It looks worse than that. No, that's not good. I mean, it's mad. They don't play that part. I had a clip that would have tied into your Ninth Circuit court clip.

2:13:27 This is the the courts and the asylum and the the deal he's now struck with Mexico Which I think is quite telling about what the president wants to have happen what I think a lot of people in America want to have happen and now Apparently Mexico as well a major development on the US-Mexico border the Washington Post confirming the Trump administration and Mexico's incoming government has struck a deal on a new border policy. It would force asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims move through the U.S. courts. CNN's White House reporter, Sarah Westwood, joining me right now with more on this. So we've been hearing of the possibility for weeks now. Are these the final stages of this plan?

2:12:15 Her dysfunction, her dystopia, whatever it is that she's exhibiting, stuff like this, is starting to show up on her face. Interesting point. I think she's losing some of her... Collagen. Cheery looks. Yeah, collagen. Collagen. That would be it. Collagen. It's collagen. It's drooping. It's the horrible puppet mouth. Meanwhile, Hayden had a stroke. Oh really? Michael Hayden? Yeah. Oh really? Oh crap. And, General, from everyone here at CNN, our thoughts are certainly with you, and we look forward to your recovery and getting back here at CNN as soon as you can. Actually, he's actually been hospitalized. It looks worse than that. No, that's not good. I mean, it's mad. They don't play that part. I had a clip that would have tied into your Ninth Circuit court clip.

2:13:27 This is the the courts and the asylum and the the deal he's now struck with Mexico Which I think is quite telling about what the president wants to have happen what I think a lot of people in America want to have happen and now Apparently Mexico as well a major development on the US-Mexico border the Washington Post confirming the Trump administration and Mexico's incoming government has struck a deal on a new border policy. It would force asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims move through the U.S. courts. CNN's White House reporter, Sarah Westwood, joining me right now with more on this. So we've been hearing of the possibility for weeks now. Are these the final stages of this plan?

2:14:10 Well, Fred, it looks that way and the president seems to be making efforts, progress on his efforts to curb asylum seeking in the U.S. This deal comes after his administration has been putting pressure on Mexico for weeks now to do more to help the U.S. with its illegal immigration problem. The deal would turn Mexico into a waiting room of sorts as migrants who want to request asylum in the United States would be required to wait in Mexico while their claims are being adjudicated in US courts. Now, the president has recently tried to make asylum, changes to asylum policies through executive action just before the midterms. In fact, he announced an attempted policy change that would require migrants to request asylum at legal points of entry. It would forbid them from requesting asylum if they were caught trying to cross the border illegally. That executive action was blocked

2:15:01 by to the asylum system in that no longer would migrants be eligible to request asylum the moment that they touch on U.S. soil, which is how the current law works. But Fred, it's unclear that the president is going to be able to make this kind of major change to asylum policy without the help of Congress.

2:15:37 It's very interesting. Yeah, go ahead. I like the use of the word. He's fixated. That's why he's in West Palm Beach. Yeah, exactly. What is the connection between being in West Palm Beach, which sounds like a place to play golf and relax for him as and being fixated? So he's so he goes to West Palm Beach when he's fixated. What is this kind of report? I don't know. They just throw this stuff out as though there's some connection. I believe it's meant to show the, that's what I think it's meant to show, the dichotomy between his life and the life of the caravan and the migrants and the asylum seekers.

2:16:17 Oh that could be true, I think that's a possibility. It's just kind of a sneerish little... He's in West Palm Beach and these poor bastards are stuck in Mexico. But if there is anything broken with our, and we hear this continuously, our immigration system is broken, we need comprehensive immigration reform. Having participated in the immigration process twice, having petitioned for people to come in legally, and actually helped a third person, I know a lot about this process and the only thing that truly is indeed broken is somehow you are allowed to request asylum after you have snuck into the country illegally. That's the part that, it's a very small change. You fix that, you fix a lot. That's the only thing. And why it doesn't happen is a whole other story.

2:17:10 Because we we know we want amnesty We want cheap labor in California, especially it's not just California John. It's really everywhere the cheap labor It's that it's really it's quite despicable when you see the organ is that we don't talk about enough when you see the organizations that deal with asylum not with migrants asylum and the billions of dollars they receive from government And these are religious organizations and they all have placement and they all have deals with you know That's why they wanted to send a lot of the Was it Syrians? I believe the Syrians are Libyans. They want them to go to Detroit. Now there was Syrians Syrians wasn't that the Obama thing but that was I thought was Minnesota. They were sent in the Minnesota I know they're sending some Molly's to Minnesota. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's a work program It's a work program, but it just seems so disingenuous

2:18:04 No, it is disingenuous. It doesn't seem disingenuous. It is. And I think the original ruling should stand. If you want asylum, then you go to an asylum station at a port of entry. That's how it works. Well, the Ninth Court didn't see it that way. New Interpol. Wait, wait, wait. I have a question. I have no idea what it, the ninth, I don't know why it's important. Is that a, is the Ninth Circuit Court an important court? Is it the last one before the Supreme Court? I don't understand the system. Can you give a synopsis? It's one of those appeals courts. There's a bunch of them around the country and they like to funnel, if it's like an issue that's going to, where you want an outcome that favors the progressive left-wing ideologies, you try to send it to the Ninth

2:18:56 Although the ninth court, because the ninth court is always, it's a caliphate, I think it's in San Francisco, around here somewhere, I think. But it's very liberal and they always come up with these crazy ideas and they, They're very, they hate Trump. It's perfect court for them. Is it all West Coast? The Ninth Circuit? Is that the idea? Ninth Circuit is West Coast? I believe so. Okay. But do they have more power than, I don't know, the Fifth Circuit or the First? No, no, no. Oh, okay. But you don't go from circuit to circuit. That's the one you go, you go to your regular court system and then it gets, an appeal, it gets bounced.

2:19:33 to the 9th and then it goes to the Supreme Court after that. It doesn't go anywhere else. Are these circuit numbers, are they mapped to FEMA regions? I don't know that, but I don't think so, but it's possible. Yes, FEMA region 9, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Nevada, Pacific. Maybe, maybe there's some coincidental thing there going on. Maybe it's not so coincidental. The other big one is the DC Court of Appeals, which just doesn't have a number. Right, right. which is where the rapist went. That's where he was the judge. The rapist? Oh, Harvey Weinstein? Or Bill Cosby? No, not him. He wasn't a judge. Oh, the judge rapist. Yeah, the judge rapist. Who was the judge rapist? Unproven rapist went there. So, did you know about the new Interpol boss? Yes, I did hear about the new Interpol boss.

2:20:34 What do you know about it? Here's the clip if you want to play. It's 27 seconds. Where is it? Do you want to knew? Ah, yes, got it. I'll remember when I hear the clip. I feel honored to have been elected to preside over the executive committee over the next two years. And so Interpol has a new president. Kim Jong-yang of South Korea beat out a Russian candidate and that's key because the Russian was the favorite for the job and there were concerns over Kremlin interference. The International Police Organization says the election was free and transparent. Kim is a career policeman and will serve a two-year term. Yeah, what I heard was, maybe this is a week ago, that, oh, it's gonna be Putin's buddy is gonna be the new boss of Interpol. I guess that didn't happen. Well, the thing that's always interested me, and I don't have it in the clip unfortunately, is that the old Interpol boss was busted for being a criminal.

2:21:33 That's not much different than the United Nations climate change chief who just had to resign because he was using air travel excessively for private use. Racking up money. He always had to go via Paris. Well, I'm going from Washington DC to Baltimore via Paris, you know, to go see Pierre and everything. Yeah. And, you know, spewing carbon dioxide and increasing his footprint. Yeah. These stories are not so uncommon amongst the elites. I have two clips. How are we doing? I have two clips that is, which has a question in the middle, which I'm going to ask you.

2:22:16 Because you're the one, this is your beat. Okay. Reading documents. Okay. Document reading is your specialty. This is the Trump, Saudi and CIA findings one. President Trump taking sides with the Saudi government yet again. He's doubling down on his rejection of the CIA assessment of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and defying coast to punish the Saudis. Joining me now is Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed. He's a Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee. Senator Reed, great to have you on New Day. I want to start with the President's comments on these really refuting the CIA findings. Okay. Have you read the findings? Why not? There's no findings. There's no report. It doesn't exist as far as I can tell. Wait, wait, wait. He just said right there.

2:23:01 CNN he refute aided the CIA's findings. Yeah, I don't think he refute aided even the findings. He said there's no clear report. That's what I remember. There's no report. We had the Washington Post come out and say according to sources people familiar with the matter not allowed to speak on the record because they were not authorized but there's no report to my knowledge still. Can't they make it more clear sounds to me from that question that there's a report and there's findings. So I guess not? Is that what you're saying? I haven't seen it. I've only heard... Maybe it'll be cleared up. In the second half of this clip.

2:24:04 Senator, is the president lying? Yes. The CIA concluded that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the assassination of Khashoggi. Wait a minute, who is this speaking? Who is this speaking? This is one of the guys, unfortunately I thought his name was in there, but he's one of the new Democrat Democrat guys that'll be running one of the committees. He's really gonna bring him on all the time and he's just going on He's a Democrat Congress person So the point that this makes and we'll finish the clip in a moment is that it was only a headline The Washington Post and it is so irritating that this happens now wait, it gets better I'll just continue with with a quick layup

2:24:56 The Washington Post only spoke of sources who told them that the CIA had come to these conclusions in a report. As far as I know, unless it happened this morning, no report has been issued. No report, no official word at all, but the news media, right down to actually the Guardian who use it as their pitch, are just claiming that the CIA have made this decision and this is their conclusion as if it's a published report. And did I say that correctly? Yes, and if you listen very carefully

2:25:36 to what this guy has to say, you will probably laugh right in the middle of the clip. Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the... I'm going to start the clip over. I want to hear the whole thing. Really refuting the CIA findings. Let's listen to what he said yesterday and I want to get your reaction. No, they didn't conclude. They did not come to a conclusion. They have feelings certain ways, but they didn't have the report. And you can ask, you can ask Mike, they have not concluded. Nobody's concluded. I don't know if anyone's going to be able to conclude that the crown prince did it. Senator, is the president lying? Yes.

2:26:13 The CIA concluded that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the assassination of Khashoggi. They did it, as has been reported to the press, with high confidence, which is the the highest level of accuracy that they will vouch for. It's based on facts, it's based on analysis. The notion that they didn't reach a conclusion is just unsubstantiated, that the CIA has made that clear. So Senator, why do you think he's covering for the Saudis and what can the Senate do about it? Well, I think he feels that he has an

2:26:52 arrangement with the Saudis in terms of the region where they will act on behalf of their own interests, but he hopes the United States' interests. I think he also has made this claim about their financial input into the United States, although it's widely exaggerated. And I think he probably has relationships going back to previously business relationships, and he might even be thinking in the future of business relationships with the Saudis. So he's put himself in a compromised position where he can't look at intelligence reports in a detached, objective way, make a conclusion, and then introduce evidence and introduce policies to affect a better outcome. He seems to be a captive of the Saudis, actually. No, so he read the report, which doesn't exist as far as we know.

2:27:45 And he couldn't bring himself to actually read the report properly? Is that the story? If you listen carefully, and in fact, you have to go back to the middle of that clip, he says, he goes on and on about Alge's report, and then he subtly says, as reported in the newspaper. Hold on. Alge 4, it's based on facts, it's based on analysis. The notion that they didn't reach a conclusion is just unsubstantiated, that the CIA has made that clear. So Senator, why do you think he's covering for the Saudis? It was before that. It was very, it was very Saudi. The CIA concluded that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the assassination of Khashoggi. They did it, as has been reported to the press, with high confidence, which is great. You deserve it. That was, that was good.

2:28:41 All right, let's set in but through it as reported by the press he puts it right in the middle of all that yeah gibberish Yeah, there's no report. He just says as we as with high confidence in the press with high confidence As reported in the press... And you know I... In fact, this time I listened to it again, not this last last time, but when you played the whole clip, it got... it even got by me that time because I knew it was in there. Jeez. And then I'm at the... I should have pulled it out as a sub-clip, but... That's masterful. This is what goes on and it is reported as news and these guys just slap it up. When... We should bring the Washington Post guy in there and ask him. Oh, they'll say the same thing. When the fake news is wrong, defendant Donald

2:29:24 You know, I realize we receive some disturbing notes from people who, long-time listeners, freaking out. Stop defending Trump! 50% of your news is about Trump! Here's the sad thing. For nine years, no, I'll make it eight. For eight years, we have essentially been showing you how the media worldwide is Bogus. We never used the word fake news. It was bogus. We even used bogative. We dissected it. We said this is bullcrap. And typically that was because they were positive about Obama. There was lots of other examples. But then all of a sudden a guy shows up who becomes president who is doing the same thing.

2:30:12 So maybe it's just an overload? I don't know what it is, but people who I like are... I think it's an overload. It must be. People who I like are getting overloaded and they're burning out, they're frying, it's completely... Orange man bad. They're just freaking out. I got a note saying you should, if you're gonna do all the, yeah, you say it's news deconstruction, but if you're gonna do that, why don't you do some, take apart some pro-Trump stories. And I'm thinking, what, from a blog? Yeah, from Breitbart. Where's the pro-Trump stories to take apart? We already take apart Fox News. We don't even pay much attention to them. And we're looking for new media being disingenuous or sneaky or saying things that you're just throwing in crap like this last clip. And just spotting it. Look what you're doing here. This is bull. I've been thinking about some of this.

2:31:09 It's completely... It's not an issue for me or you or anyone to bring up the theory that we may be living in a simulation. This has been declared by people who are adored by left, right, center, and everywhere. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates. They all say it's possible that we're living, it's actually highly likely we are living in a simulation. So this is not a crackpot theory. This is something that we can talk about. You can't scoff at me for what I'm about to say.

2:31:48 If it's true that we're living in a simulation, which it may very well be so, I think you have to look at it, you know, as an extrapolation just like the fern plant, you know, the leaf is made up looks like a fern. So we're clearly creating a derivative of some simulation and we have simulation all around us. And I'm going to take one example where I think this is taking. Now don't do, I want you to be serious and listen. Don't be there amending me, just listen. I left the Reddit, I'd never been on Reddit, I used to be in the Reddit group around May. May was April. And I left the Reddit group and I really didn't look at it. I went back a couple months later because they were doing something interesting.

2:32:32 which I appreciated, they would take the episode and they would post the episode and people would comment on that episode. Of course it was all very, you know, about how we're horrible and we defend Trump and it doesn't matter. I mean it was interesting because there's an episode and they're talking about what we talked in specific pieces and sometimes I'd, you know, maybe some valid points and so to me, although I didn't participate in the conversation, I would read that. This stopped and it just became a group where a story about Trump would be posted and then the same three or four, you know, Knicks handles would, you know, basically goes like this post something about Trump and then say, no agenda will never talk about that. With that exact voice. That's the exact voice actually. Orange man bad. So that stopped.

2:33:23 And I couldn't figure out why did they stop doing it? You know, is that because I'm not participating? I think that's a lot of it. If I say, hey, I agree, disagree, then you get a whole crowd jump and people start to post. I was able to... Now, correlation is not causation. But we had excellent transcripts for a while which were being done through I believe the Amazon transcription engine by our buddy Tom a clog log in Australia and he has a website and a translations any translations dot online and He even made them an opml so I they were completely machine readable and I'd put them in the show notes just testing it out and they were actually quite good transcripts and

2:34:03 That when we started doing that that's when they started posting entire deconstructions of pieces of the show Because of the Amazon only gives you so much free and we have such our content is so long that Tom could no longer use the service because now it would start to cost money and it's really expensive. So we're using now the YouTube transcription engine which is cute, it sucks balls, it's just no good. I mean it's very, very, very poor. Certainly compared to what we had. The correlation is that those deconstructions of each episode of the show stopped appearing on Reddit. So if we're in a simulation, I think it is very possible that

2:34:44 that these names is like I forget Aaron van and Hartwell Schwarkvel and whatever it's like three different people on reddit who post the whole day they're just posting stories they no longer have the access to the transcripts so they don't really know what we're talking about and now they're just going out trying to find something and literally just posting in no agenda show sucks next to each thing so I think that the people on Reddit in the Reddit group are actually very sophisticated bots, but limited in scope. Kind of like, you know, they can't really do much more than what they're doing right now without the proper input.

2:35:26 I'm starting to look at a lot of people who I only know through either Twitter or even email I think that a lot of these just are little bots spun up just maybe I did it myself in my own simulation But they just kind of interact with the world, but you can do things That will stop their programming So you can enter like a ctrl C on some of them, and I've had some small successes with it. Particularly with some email conversation we had recently, which we don't need to get into. But after you said go argue with Adam, thanks bro. That was nice. That was like the shittiest thing you could do to me. Why? He was gonna argue with somebody, he might as well argue with you, because I wasn't gonna argue with him. Don't... you know... Anyway, I really think...

2:36:18 that it is possible that in some cases everyone has a coalition of bots around them whether it's on your social media wherever it is and you have to look out for them and you'll see that they are doing the same thing over and over again maybe with small the people who troll you on Twitter it's it's beyond just you know like a Russian bot it's really sophisticated in the simulation well if that's true I wish they'd give us more money. This is the only thing I haven't figured out yet. How do we hack the bots into accessing a PayPal account and sending us some cash? Well, it's not going to be control C. I'm surprised that you actually went back to that Reddit thing. But you're definitely right about if what you say is true, that they were just basically stealing or doing word searches on a larger, which is doable, a bot could do that.

2:37:23 do a word search on a very well done transcript, you can find stuff in there that would be kind of funny. And you can bitch and moan about it because a lot of the intonation is gone in transcripts, you don't know if somebody's joking. You could say, you could read something straight in a joking manner and Which doesn't make sense, but you can read something in a joking manner that if it's you read it, it would sound straight. But also notice when the NPC meme cropped up, the non-playing character, people on Twitter at least got really upset. Like you can't, and I think that those were mainly simulations.

2:38:02 It makes no sense to have your world filled with real people online. It's got to be a bunch of bots and simulations that are all running around. Maybe I have a copy of myself that is in your world, I don't know. But it's kind of mind-blowing when you see that, to me, the correlation was interesting. That we started providing... I think the general notion that we're all in a simulation is nonsense, but the idea that perhaps a lot of the followers you have on Twitter, for example, I keep seeing them, they're following me, they chime in every once in a while. You look at their page, there's no background, it's a picture of a guy, he's very vague generalities about him, he's got 60 followers, maybe four followers, maybe one follower. I definitely think those are all bots. Yeah, but that's just a bot

2:38:51 I mean, there's a level higher. I know you're not buying it, but... I'm just saying, I am looking into this and I am trying to find ways where I can manipulate the behavior of these bots and I'm having some success. I will report back. I'm very excited about the issue. Okay, well you keep doing that. I can attribute, I believe, the whole thesis and I would put Elon at the top of the thing because there is a commonality between everybody who has this simulation thought and I think it really does connect to the better quality of the pot being sold in California largely. And that's where I get my pot from. So that makes sense. It is the true red pill of the matrix. I mean, this stuff is nasty. Oh, it's not nasty as dynamite. Yeah. Well, we got, uh, I got the last thing I think is kind of funny from the CBC is the Toy Story teaser, which apparently Toy Story, I guess since Lasseter laughed and all the rest of it, they can't get this movie finished the newest Toy Story. And so they try to make Ma

2:39:59 You know about this? No, no, no, no. Isn't that this? Didn't Steve, wasn't Steve Jobs instrumental in that and Pixar and all that? I know he was, but it's Lasseter who was the genius at Pixar. And they roused him for being a- Oh, that's right, he was a hugger. He hugs too much. Overhugging, yes. The hugger. The overhugger. So they got rid of him, now they can't get this movie finished, and so they have fake controversies like this, which is the Toy Story teaser, which you can all go watch. And the CBC has noticed that it's become very controversial because of a new character. I'm not a toy! Okay, so this is the point where all of our viewers turn to themselves and say, what are they talking about? So this was a teaser obviously for Toy Story 4 that just came out this week. The movie itself comes out next summer. But let me try to explain what you saw there. So that was Forky. He is a spork kind of turned arts craft who

2:40:58 It clearly is a toy, but doesn't want to be a toy, doesn't think he's a toy, but the other toys think he's a toy and want him to be a toy and want to take him on their toy adventures. So, we're talking about a kids movie for crying out loud, but... Boy like what a premise for our time. I think we're in a time where we were Constantly trying to define or redefine everything right we were talking about labels all the time and proud of pronouns all the time What is a asylum seeker? What is an illegal alien? What is a male or female or are? Those things important right so we're always constantly trying to

2:41:38 Define things and so I looked at that trailer. I'm like oh, are they trying to tell me something? Pixar trying to have a bigger statement for the parents because those movies are great because the parents often get something from it and the kids obliviously are just watching cartoons. So you're it sounds like you're happy that they're taking this on and Sarah I mean you're a new mom. You just had a baby. Do you see this as being I guess a springboard for conversations that you might have? Oh boy, Hollywood is lost. Let me give you the premise of this. Yeah. So they have this trailer and then at the very end there's this spork with a face drawn on it who is objecting saying he's not a toy and I should have clipped that as an eye so maybe I'll get it later. I'm not a toy and but he's caught up in this toy world and he's bitching and moaning about it because he's

2:42:27 can talk. And so now it's become a big point of controversy amongst the pundits at the CBC because well maybe it has to do with transgenderism or something. Ah yes, there we go. We needed some of that. Because he's not really a toy but he is a toy so he thinks he's a toy. Self identifies as not a toy but they're all identifying him as a toy. It's a huge controversy and the movie won't be out for a year. The pre-promotion is rocking. Alright everybody. And you can take that to the bank. Remember, we're all just living in Elon's simulated world. We shall return on Thursday with another episode of the best podcast in the universe. You never know what's going to happen between then and now, but we'll do our darndest to break it down for you. Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA and coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas in the

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2:46:26 No balls and no brain. All that's left is slavery. Look, John, stop spreading fake news. A vasectomy does not involve cutting your nuts off, because, you know, then I'm gonna have to listen to Brian Brushwood complain to me for another five years. As in, now you know what it is? Please tell all the newcomers your theory. I discovered a book in the 1920s that I still have a copy of and it's a talk about medical procedures and vasectomies are not new and they were used in the 20s as a youth fix. It would make you, the vasectomy was, men were told get a vasectomy and you'll look younger. It's like, it's like the, another one that came along some years later was a,

2:47:22 the lobotomy. Yeah. There was actually a fattish thing and there was apparently some guy in Central Park that would give you, you can get lobotomies without having to really go into the doctor's office. They would slip a needle behind your eyeball and the thing was, I guess it was curved a certain way they could actually nick and cut off the little piece of the brain that hooks the front to the back. Since this was done to middle-aged guys, I'm not sure what the ages were, but I started noticing this with men who had tattooed vasectomies. And I will say this, not all of them, but most of them start to look a little bit like an old lesbian.

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