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00:00 It's the young Kim. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, November 8th, 2018. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, episode 1084. This is no agenda. Surrendering my hard pass and broadcasting live from the capital of the drolling star state here in downtown Austin, Tejas, in the Cluedio in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, where we're worried about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I'm John C. DeVore. What are the chances on the day her documentary movie comes out that she breaks her hip? I mean, she's really going all in on the promotion. That's sick. It's true though. I said, it's a coincidence. Did I not? I would be more likely to think that the producers to get some publicity for this. Pushed her! I didn't say it.

00:55 Hey Ruth, oh I'm so sorry. It's only three ribs guys, we're good. The product is still viable. That's in theaters I think, isn't it? What, her operation? Your uh, no, her operation. Her documentary. I don't know, I don't even know that it was what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes nothing but sense now. That's what I'm saying. Here, Ginsburg. I think you're right, you nailed it. Let me see, let me see, it's, what is it called again? Is it just called Notorious, I think? But actually it looks really good. They may have taken the title from the old Douglas, what's, Kurt Douglas' kids, what's his name? Douglas' kid? Kurt? Michael Douglas? Michael Douglas' movie. Yes, we have a winner! I think they took the title from that.

01:49 Hmm. Let me see falling down falling down falling down the title of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's new documentary falling down help a fall and I can't get up or something I forget what it's a very good movie by the way falling down if you haven't seen oh, that's a great movie Really where he goes nuts Yeah, I thought it fizzled out at the end. It really fizzled, but I've always liked that. In fact, that's one of the few movies I would gladly watch again. I found it so entertaining. The guy just loses his crap in traffic and just goes and starts killing everybody. Everyone he can.

02:27 Which turns out to be a lot of bad guys because he's lost his... he got stuck in traffic in Los Angeles and so he was surrounded by evil doers. Yeah, much worse. Well, speaking of not really films, but I watched several episodes of the new House of Cards which was just released on Netflix. Okay. And I do have something to say about it. Since I watched the first season and I haven't watched anything since, Yeah, because I don't believe in this sort of being suckered into watching these things I think I watched first no I think I words the first and the second season and I never saw three or four but I'm a fan of Robin Wright and I Wanted to see what you know what the virtue signaling would be as she is the female president of the great virtue signaling Well, what's interesting?

03:21 is that, yeah, there's lots of it. You know, she fires the whole cabinet, hires a new cabinet, all women. There's tons of virtue signaling. But at the same time, they were very honest, I feel. And because now there's a lot of main characters are women, and they are vicious, conniving and plotting and threatening each other like no men do. It's very interesting in that regard. Just really, really evil female stuff. You know, they go after your kids. You know, guys, you know, I will kill you. Now he is like, ah, your kid, right? Why don't we just let everyone know about his arrest record? Yeah, it's all this whole nasty stuff. But the worst part, every single, almost except for Amanpour, almost every single CNN talking head douche appears in this as themselves on CNN.

04:11 I think that should be foreboding. Well, I think it's an ethical issue. Yes, it's an ethical issue, absolutely. It's not just like, okay, you're doing it just as well as you do it when it's about quote-unquote real news. It's kind of scary how well you do that fakery. It comes natural to them for some reason. I just thought that was very obvious and And yeah, unethical, unethical. There you go. Well then we might as well get off to a good start here and kind of we'll get to the election stuff. I'm sure you've got some clips. I have an anecdote. Oh, I'm all ears. This has been a weird week. Well, we could start with talking about Texas. I'm going to get you right into that.

05:02 So it's been a weird week. I've been here alone. Tina was out in Chicago. Her sister Angie passed away yesterday. So, yeah, it's horrible. And so I'm sitting here and, you know, it's just, it's very strange, you know, and because I have no friends here pretty much except for a couple. And so, you know, like I call up the couple and once I had, you know, dinner with Sir Gene, And then, you know, the former New York banker is like, okay, that's about all I can do. So he says, we just said a Tuesday, you know, six o'clock at some place over on the east side. And, you know, we'd usually just have a meal, a drink or two and just catch up.

05:47 And we get in there, we meet in front of the place, six o'clock, and it's pretty empty. And that's one of these places that is like a Starbucks in a way, although it has a housey feel with more than Starbucks, but you have a bar and open kitchen on one side of this, you know, of the place, and you get a number and then they bring you whatever bar food and your drinks. And so I'm sitting there and all of a sudden the place starts filling up and he's looking at me and he's starting to laugh. We were in the middle of Austin's Beto party. The big screen went on, free t-shirts, no hoodies John I did look for you, free Beto t-shirts and it starts to get packed.

06:34 And this is ground central. There may have been one other... Oh, this is a topper story. Yeah, this was the one. And I'd say it was probably... Who'd you go with? The former New York banker. He tricked me. Oh, he took you there as a joke? Yes, he tricked me. I'm like, wait a minute. He said, I thought you would enjoy watching the election returns on the big screen here with all of the Beto fans. I'm like, oh, this is great. So I'm putting my shirt on and Now let me give you a bit about the makeup of the of the room. I would say that it was 99.7% white I think there were three black dudes, maybe one black girl I saw and And not even brown it was just white white white all wearing black beddowed shirts, and I would say it was hmm

07:30 40% women, 60% dudes. And these dudes were active. As in, they were hitting on every single woman in the place. It was just, it got to the point where I'm just like, wow. And there was a line of guys outside. You know like there was a pickup party. Yeah, it seemed like it, but it was the party. It's funny because one of our producers wrote us and said that he's been following the Beto thing and he found that most of the hardcore supporters were all all cat ladies.

08:06 No, there was no cat ladies. This was all young, very young. Some of them looking very stressed. But really what was interesting is very early on, you know, started off with 1% of the precincts reporting in Texas. Beto was 51% versus Cruz 48. And that got everyone worked up. And whenever that happened, you know, I'd be like, and you know me, I'm like, and a certain point, Because I could see the screen, you know, in the distance, it's at the other side of this restaurant bar. People start cheering, and I'm like, woo! And it shows that there's more women winning in some districts. I'm like, woo, women! Woo! And the banker looks at me and says, OK, all right, just calm down a little bit. Now you're drawing attention. But it's women, don't you? Woo!

08:58 You're just making a mockery. Well, no, I was getting into it. I had Beto fever. Beto fever, baby. I was all over Beto fever. But what was... So this didn't last very long as it was kind of going boom, boom, boom, boom. It was kind of neck on neck. Beto was still ahead every time they did an update or local ABC News update. People get all crazy. 51, still 51, 48 and a half. And then, you know, there was a lot of cheering. I think, no, I know that they were more interested in the House, that the Democrats take the House, because very early, boom, Beto lost, you know, and they called it. And I mean, it was within like half an hour, I think, or maybe an hour of the results coming in. And they called it for Cruz real quick. Now that you mention this.

09:54 I think that these networks or somebody should have a separate feed for these parties. You don't need to be putting a wet blanket on all these campaign parties that are taking place for both sides by telling you what happened. Think they should let us stretch it out all the way so people can get these pick up the date for the night Yeah, get out of there go watch. Yes. Yes, it was very disruptive and what we were both paying attention you know because I'm like if you see anything weird for the show let me know besides everything and So he lost and then people like oh, oh

10:32 Because the Democrats were up and then and that was it there was no more there was no crying. There was no hugging I'm so sorry none. It's nothing people just kept on hitting on each other drinking and then you know waiting for the Democrats to Take with the house. That's all they weren't interested in Beto, and it was the Beto party. It was very odd That's that's that's not right. It was just it felt very disingenuous Yes, sounds like it was just a Hey, let's go to the Beto party. Maybe I can pick somebody up. Maybe get some nice, you know, co-ed from UT. We left at 930. There was still a line out the door of dudes trying to get in. And I'm sure it was a good place to be. Well, in Austin. Yeah.

11:21 Yeah, well, let's play the battle clip. I have the Texas going Democrat. This was a big CBS report. And I do have some comments about the media and this because I got a we got a nasty note from somebody which I'm remiss to read, but I'm gonna read it anyway. I found that the media coverage for this entire election was so slanted. It was I think it was beyond the pale. Normally, they try to fake it a little bit. But and the worst case scenario actually comes from PBS. PBS had had the absolute war with every I mean the Judy there goes his effort. Stop everything. What is the time? It's late. Very late. Let's go with the CBS report. This is the overall report on Texas going Democrats. Among the more than two dozen House seats gained by the Democrats in the midterm elections, two are in Texas districts that were traditionally bright red. Omar Villafranca has more on this.

12:21 In suburban Houston, Democrat Lizzie Fletcher thanked her supporters. All of you are here because you believe in this campaign. After defeating nine-term Republican Congressman John Culberson. Republicans have controlled Texas' 7th District since the late 60s when a young politician named George H.W. Bush won the seat. Fletcher's campaign was one of several that was part of the suburban revolt that helped Democrats take back control of the House. Democrats flipped at least 29 House seats from Oklahoma to Virginia. One key, according to a CBS News exit poll, suburban women voters swung dramatically in this election. 53% of women voted for Democratic candidates compared to only 47% in 2014.

13:15 Rice University political science professor Mark Jones. Fletcher took advantage of the distaste among many of these Republican voters for Donald Trump. Jones says another factor was Beto O'Rourke's appeal and its ability to bring out new voters. Beto O'Rourke alone helps explain why we saw 12 Texas House representative seats flip from Republican to Democratic. two state senate seats flip and two congressional seats flip. Lizzie appealed to me and even to my Republican husband because of what she stood for. Republicans still control Texas on the state and federal level, but Jones says Beto O'Rourke's campaign could provide a blueprint for Democrats to gain power in the Lone Star State.

14:06 And I'm really surprised that Ted Cruz did almost no campaigning in Texas. He did nothing. It's surprising. It's almost like he knows that, I'll just call Mitt Romney, you know, he's got the Baines investment in Diebold and the machines, you know, the voting machines, let's have him flip it. And that's how cavalier he was about it. Yeah. Well, of course, then again, do you know that for a fact in places like Dallas? I mean, where they maybe was promoting himself in Dallas or places. Well, no, they had that they had the big one in Houston with the with Trump. That was I'm just saying where Ted was putting his money. He did have some money. I mean, he didn't have as much as a role. I'm just saying he didn't have the visibility at all.

14:52 Towards the voters that that Oh had well yeah, but again is the media places. They love it of course Before just I wanted to play one quickie that I saw air before it was on election day itself before the polls open Michael Bloomberg Didn't add yeah, but just listen to what he says here. Hello I speak to you today on the eve of the midterm elections not as a Democrat or a Republican I've been both but as an American who is deeply concerned with the direction of our nation like you I've watched the recent bombings and mass shootings with growing alarm the recent bombings and mass shootings None of them went off

15:35 That's pretty egregious I felt when I heard it. And actually they can't even identify the goo that he put in those bombs. Apparently none of it's explosive. But they won't talk about it. They're just reluctant to discuss it. They also, they can't, they have no... So he said recent bombings, again, yeah. Yeah, I just, I found that to be nasty. Like you, I've watched the recent bombings and mass shootings with growing alarm. Yeah, what bombings were you watching? Just tell me what channel that's on, Bloomberg. I don't understand how that even gets on the air that way. Doesn't someone have to say, I guess not.

16:16 Did they do you can keep stuff like that off the air if you wanted to yeah, but then why would they shun the money? Well shunning the money and shunning the message Yes, okay Anyway, the Beto thing seems to be was a big deal, but I noticed that the way they were doing these reports There's a couple of things that really bugged me. I'm gonna start off with the stuff that bugged me the most all right. Oh And the person that was the biggest, I think, PBS, the whole group is disgusting. I'm talking about the News Hour. And let me play, let's see, I got one, two, three, four, four clips I think I can play that will make sense. Let's start with,

17:08 Let's start with a couple Judy clips so I can just give her a little grief. Here's Judy playing random Schumer clip for what reason I never could figure out. Trump and his party now have good reason for worry. Look, last night was a really good night for Democrats. And what happened last night doesn't bode well for President Trump and Republicans in 2020 and beyond. And this was the clip she plays. What is the point of this? She also goes and gets... That's all, Schumer didn't say much else, you know. She can't always play Trump. I think the Democrats are very disappointed. I think both sides are disappointed, but the way they played it was very joyous for the Democrats. Just the way PBS, they would play nothing. Oh, I think everyone was playing it joyous that way. I personally am very joyous. I love it. I think it's much better to, let's put some conflict in here. This is good.

18:02 Let's play Judy says no new regulations. This is a very interesting clip and you see if you can identify why They were watching the election results everywhere Wall Street rallied on the news from the election analysts said it that divided government will likely mean no new taxes or government regulations and no repeal of the Affordable Care Act the Dow Jones industrial average today gained 545 points Well, of course, I had a heads up because I subscribe to the No Agenda newsletter. So I know, and I love the simplicity of the analysis, that when they say, well, the Affordable Care Act, no worries about that. That won't be repealed. Let me guess, was the Dow Jones up because of pharma stocks?

18:46 Mostly, yeah, any health care. Yeah. Just went skyrocket. But what really got me about that clip, which kind of maybe a misdirection, is this comment, because anyone who studies government, the modern way we do business, regulations do not come from Congress. They come from the agencies. Yes, the laws come from Congress and the agencies make up all the shit in between. All the regulations come from the agencies. So the idea that there'll be no new regulations is... It's incredibly, it's wrongheaded. I mean, it's not true. You can have any agency can start cranking out regulations because they were given the go ahead by Congress years ago to do that. Congress gave up their rights insofar as making regulations and laws for that matter to these agencies that have all these extra powers. Having worked for one, I'm very aware of how it works. You were aware of your previous superpowers.

19:45 So, so then we go on with Lisa Desjardins, who is a just a hardcore Democrat. And she's going on talking and she's not only saying how great everything went, but even the losers are winners as far as she's concerned. Of course, she does nothing to, to, to, to, nothing about the other side to such an extreme that I do have a point to make about this after these clips. But let's start with Lisa Desjardins extolling the losers. in some way is going to stay together and is going to continue to aspire to do great things. That was also a theme for Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum, another progressive who fell just short in his bid to flip the Florida governor's mansion to the Democrats. I believe that we have to have a table in this state that is long enough, that is wide enough, that is deep enough to fit all of us. I still believe that we got to have that table.

20:52 But y'all, we're just gonna have to do a little bit more work in order to build that table. But Gillum was more of an exception on a night where Democrats took over several Republican governors' mansions, defeating Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, winning in Kansas and in Michigan. But prosecutor Gretchen Whitmer is the governor-elect. It goes on and she starts talking about the women. So now she's going to go, this is Lisa talking about all these women, these one of a kind, it's never happened before, this woman, that woman, that woman, this woman. And I want you to pay careful attention to this clip. Democratic women stacked up a large number of firsts. Take Sharice Davids in Kansas, who is openly gay. She and another winner last night will be the first Native American women in Congress. The core of this campaign

21:40 has been about trying to figure out ways to make sure that as many voices and experiences as possible that we have in this community are being heard by our elected representatives. Ayanna Pressley and Johanna Hayes will each be the first black women in Congress from their New England states. And Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar will be the first two Muslim women to serve in Congress. For each party, some wins. For the PBS NewsHour, I'm Lisa Desjardins. Wait, Lisa. Wait, Lisa. What about the any Republican women? No, no. But she also, she left off AOC. I'm very surprised.

22:21 AOC's been been sidelined, I think, if you haven't noticed. Yes, I have. But if you're doing that in the park, if you do it, hey, let's stop talking about her because she's because if you put a mic in front of her, she makes herself out to be a moron. Yeah. So that's like so they cut her out. But they go on and on about this. But the one that got me was the first black woman in her state, never mentioning once the first. Unfortunately, because it's a Republican. the first Korean woman in the United States ever to be elected to the House of Representatives. It wasn't mentioned on CBS, it wasn't mentioned on NBC, it wasn't mentioned, and not only that, but it took over Ed Royce's position, who was head of, I think, the armed forces.

23:10 old slot in and she only she took his spot and she did in California, which was kind of news in itself. Some Republican would win. But no, this Korean woman was completely blacked out. And I do. I said, I'm going to find a clip to where somebody mentions an unfindable. I know it was findable on Korean TV. Oh, geez. And this is a clip, it's at the bottom, it's Young Kim. Her name is Young, and we like Young, Young Kim. And this is the clip. History was changing during the 2018 US midterm elections as Young Kim was elected to the US House of Representatives, becoming the first Korean-American woman to win a coveted spot

23:56 in the US Congress. Eason Jay has his report. A historic day at the 2018 US midterm elections as California's 39th congressional district election saw Republican Young Kim beat Democrat Gil Cerneros garnering 51.3 percent of the votes. Kim becomes the first Korean-American woman to be elected into Congress and the first Korean-American in 20 years to be elected. It was an emotional victory for the self-made women who won the tight race. Despite all of the millions of dollars that came after me, This is one election that we can prove that we cannot buy ourselves into a seat. Ed Royce, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, announced his retirement from California's 39th district seat in January and had endorsed Kim since then. I want to share with you that over that span of time,

24:56 In my opinion, for the people that I've met in public service, no one has ever worked as hard as young Kim. Well, you know, uh... You don't think this is significant? Yeah, of course it is, but... Are you surprised? Yeah, I guess for PBS I am a little surprised, actually. PBS is lost. Or maybe just the News Hour. Well, the News Hour is its own team. It's not all of PBS, but the News Hour sounds very lost. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, here's a woman. It's a woman. The two themes were, oh, the blue wave, which crapped out. You know, the funny thing is about these news, the way they handle this whole election.

25:40 I used to write for a bunch of different financial publications and the first thing you learn if you're gonna do a stock market analysis is if the market goes up, you find some event to blame it on and the funny thing is you can say all the stock market went down as a reaction to the Fed raising rates right that's easy but if the stock market goes up you look for something and so you can say well the stock market went up as a reaction a counter reaction to the Fed raising rates So you take the same element and you can play it two different ways. The news media could play this election as the Democrats could should have promised us they were going to do a lot better and they didn't. And you could play the whole thing that way. Oh, and this guy lost. And that guy in Florida, Gillum, lost instead of going on. What a great guy is in playing a piece of his of his speech, his concession, the way that Lisa Desjardins did. She played it up.

26:37 Oh, Beto lost, but Beto's the future. Yeah. You could have said, Beidou is obviously not the future. He spent too much money and he's a loser. I mean, you can play... Loser, just loser. Capital L. Go home, Beidou. You can play it any way you want, but they obviously played it this way. But it becomes so apparent when you leave out Young Kim. Yes. And they left her out. They just kicked her to the curb. A woman? Yes. The No Agenda show now proudly stands behind Young Kim. We're all behind young behind young kids. She's ethnic. Yes, she's a woman. She's a woman. She's gay. She's gay. That would be perfect. It would be but she's not. Okay.

27:23 Wait, mixed marriage? Mixed racial marriage? White guy? That I don't know. But where is even a single mention of her on CBS, NBC, ABC, and specifically, which is what I'm really complaining about, is PBS, which is supposed to be the best of the group and it's not. And I'm thinking I don't even know if the president congratulated her. I think he was, he's surrounded by people that aren't working with him. probably doesn't know either. He would have actually, if he knew, he would have made a bigger fuss. I think so too, yeah, because he talked about, well he did, he did something, first of all, I love that whole press conference and like what a, it was like,

28:08 It was almost like the day after Christmas, you know, and you find something under the tree. Oh, here's a package I haven't opened yet. That press conference was it to me. I really, really enjoyed it from beginning to end. It was, I was riveted. Well, I have. It was a new Trump. It was a different Trump. He was being really calm. He was very, you know, he's like collected. He was talking with the press for a long time and you know, we got all the he let all kinds of other people speak like from bloggers I think from Brooklyn

28:45 And he got, you know, some, you know, lots of little fireworks going there. But yeah, I thought it was perfect. And and he was saying, well, here's these people who do, you know, basically the never Trumpers in the Republican Party said, well, you didn't want me to help you out. So there you go, loser. It's like his own people, they're losers. That was that was pretty funny. But I still think that the highlight of that was the Jim Acosta. Well, what I'd like to what I'd like to do is I'd It's the full dust up is only two minutes and 37 seconds. I have one that's 314 that I think is actually as full. Oh, OK. Well, you probably I cut out the last bit, but we can use that one because it's I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop. It goes into the Peter Alexander question. Peter Alexander kind of attacks the president in a right. Right. I got that, too. What else is after that? I don't know why yours is longer. That's kind of weird.

29:39 And where is it? You've got to tap or no? I got entire. It's under the word entire. Ah, makes nothing but sense. All right, let's play it. Now I'll give you my view right off the bat. This is you know, this is I think it's meant to be Trump calls on him. He knows something's gonna happen. He needed he wanted it He wanted to put a cost in his place a cost just willing just perfect, you know jumps in and the reason why Trump was right in every regard is He's not even asking a question when he starts off. So I want to challenge you. And so when you say, opening a question, I want to challenge you on something, then you know what, I knew immediately, ah, this is not going to go well. And then all the other stuff that happened, it's perfect. He accosted it a great job. That's what he does. I was watching CNN to see the outrage. I'm sure they got a nice spike in the ratings.

30:38 But of course he was incredibly rude and the president called him out on it after having some patience and it was just again it was the lost present under the Christmas tree the day after Christmas. Hundreds and hundreds of miles away. That's not an invasion. Honestly, I think you should let me... What? That's where you start? You can start it yours. I'm going to start. I go deeper. No, it's much more important to start here. Thank you, Mr. President. I wanted to challenge you on one of the... He starts off, I want to challenge you. That's why Trump was like, OK. ...statements that you made in the tail end of the campaign in the midterms. Here we go.

31:14 Well, if you don't mind, Mr. President, that this caravan was an invasion. As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It's a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. Thank you for telling me that. I love that. Thank you very much for explaining that to me. What kind of a press conference is where you're You're not, this is not asking questions. This is making accusations. Yes, yes. That's why I'm surprised that, well, I thought that the Trump, that this was a fake deal and that Acosta, uh, I haven't dealt even my early thoughts that Acosta should be kicked out of there. I mean, you can revoke his credentials. He can not allow him in the building. And, um, because they've never done that. I always assumed that this was all part of a grand scheme cause it was very, it's good theater.

32:12 And then later, Acosta's credentials were pulled, which he found out later. Well, and the reason for that is they say that he laid hands on the intern. He pushed her arm down. Oh, whatever. Please. I'm not going to argue about whether or not it was a murder. Let me say something right now. When you have an audience, I don't care if it's a seminar or if it's a press conference or whatever it is, you do not let the audience ever, even if it's reporters, hold the mic. This is a bad idea. Never should you, and they always want to grab the mic, don't let them grab the mic.

32:50 I've been to plenty of things where a mic is passed around. I know. I think it's a mistake. I think it's always a mistake. A lot of the smart money has a mic on a stand. Yeah, exactly. Have it on a stand. Yes. That would be funnier with these guys. And be able to turn it off when someone's just annoying. Anyway, they don't have that capability. But yes, they do. They just don't do it. A group of migrants moving out. Wait, wait, let me finish my thought. Gee. So, because you never want to go through the progression here. So I figured that he was not going to get his credentials pulled because it was theater and then they got him pulled and then you say, well it's because he touched the woman. That was the excuse then. They used that as an excuse.

33:36 I didn't think much of it. I said, if it's just technically, yeah, he did. And some people said he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, including the CNN woman. He says he didn't touch her. Well, he did. It's pretty clear. It wasn't, you know, he just pushed, you know, he pushed her, her arm down because she was grabbing for the mic. She's making a lunge for the mic actually. And so they found that's the reason. And I said, well, I guess my theory is gone. What was your theory? Oh, that, oh, that it was, that was just a, a setup. Yeah. Sure theory was that it was always gonna be good, but then they told his credentials. I said what was that all about? Well, then I said I so I figured I was wrong, but then I realized because I have another clip

34:17 Which was on CNN where Acosta comes on and gives his side of the story and he's talking to Jake Taffer and they're all aghast. And this clip I realized was before they pulled his credential. Oh! This is... Because he was all giddy and he's still playing the game. But what happened, I believe, and the reason his credential was pulled was CNN had written a terse memo to the president Well, you know you're full of crap and he went on and on about it, and I think that's the reason they say okay really fine Credentials pulled our game is over. Yeah, that's not right that sounds about right that sounds more like the real reason Yeah, because it because tapper it wasn't pulled I mean they could have pulled around this kicked him out They brought security in you touch the woman and thrown him out, but ultimately but ultimately I mean it was great and

35:13 And what is always so sad is that the media only plays the little bits and little clips and they don't go through the progression of what happened. I mean, he doesn't ask a question. He says, I want to challenge you. And then he, you know, there's two or three questions answered. Everybody kind of got one and maybe one follow up. And then the president says in the White House, OK, enough. Can you stop? And then he just kept going. That's just an end of story to me. I don't care who the president is. Well, the other thing is... And by the way, Obama should have done the same thing. Instead he went, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what he would do. He should have done the same thing. Like I'm telling you to shut up in the White House. Actually, he did say that. Some people in the press corps are happy

35:54 that this happened because apparently Acosta's a mic hog. Obviously! And when he was on the, on this, I do have this clip for later, the Tapper Acosta clip, he starts, I didn't realize it but when I started watching him, he is one of those guys who apparently used to do a lot of what they call stand-up. Yeah. And that is the guy in the field where you throw it to him and he can talk as long as you want him to. You need 10 minutes? No problem. You need 5 minutes? You want 1 minute. Doesn't make any difference. This guy can keep talking as long as he wants. And he can do it exactly 1 minute, 5 minute or 10 minutes. Whatever you want. That's what these guys do. And he can nail it and he can go forever. And his tendency is to go forever and he does it on the other show.

36:39 And so he and so people don't the other people want to ask questions too. Yeah, of course it was rude. I'm sure everyone's a little tired of it. It was actually it was a good press conference. It was it was I and I pulled some stuff out of value, which I'll play later. But let's do you want to play those Acosta clips? You want to go back to the to the challenge? No, I want to go back to the press conference. I'll play the Acosta clips later. Well, if you don't mind, Mr. President, that this caravan was an invasion. As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It's a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. Thank you for telling me that. Why did you characterize it as such?

37:21 Because I consider it an invasion. You and I have a difference of opinion. I like that. He was doing a lot of this. We just have a difference of opinion. I think that you demonized immigrants in this election. No, not at all. I want them to come into the country, but they have to come in legally. They have to come in Jim through a process. I want it to be a process. And I'm so tired of the M5M. playing this line that, you know, they just want a better life and yeah, but they always leave out the legal versus illegal part. And I don't know if it was... Oh, it's in this clip actually where Trump says that we need these people. And I want people to come in and we need the people. Your campaign... Wait, you know why we need the people, Daji? Because we have hundreds of companies moving in. We need the people. Your campaign had an ad showing... See, no one plays that part of the clip where he's saying we need the people. We need them to come in, but we need them to come in legally. No one plays that. Migrants climbing over walls and so on. Well, that's true. Hey, stop, stop.

38:22 I'm going to ask you the same thing you asked me a minute ago. This surprises you? Hey man. They weren't actors. They're not going to be doing that. They weren't actors. Well no, it's true. Do you think they were actors? They weren't actors. They didn't come from Hollywood. These were people, this was an actual You know, it happened a few days ago. And there are hundreds of miles away, though there are hundreds and hundreds of miles away that that's not an invasion. Honestly, I think you should let me run the country. You run CNN. And if you did it well, your ratings. Let me ask you if I may ask another question, Mr. President, if I may ask you a question, are you worried? That's enough. That's enough. That's enough. Ask one of the other folks. This is where he just needs to shut up. I don't care who it is. Even it was that old bag who's now dead. Remember her?

39:08 Yeah, what was her name in the front? Thomas Obama kicked out left of the one week in office. You remember Obama came in Thomas Yes, I know I'm saying I heard you the first three times. Oh, I it sounds like I was dead Mike No, do you remember when Obama kicked her out in like the first month of his presidency? Yeah shameful yeah, and then and then they beat Esther because she said Israel is doing horrible things and all right Bad Jew, you know, or she maybe she was she was she

39:43 I think she's Armenian or something. Armenian maybe, yeah. That's enough. Pardon me ma'am, I'm, I'm, excuse me. That's enough. Mr. President, I had one other question if I may ask on, on the Russia investigation. What a dick. I mean he literally said that's enough. Just stop. Concerned that, that you may have... I'm not concerned about anything with the Russian investigation because it's a hoax. That's enough. Put down the mic. Mr. President, are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation? See now even the journalists are going, dude shut up. Mr. President, I'll tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person. You shouldn't be working for CNN. Go ahead. I think that's very rude person. The way you treat Sarah Huckabee is horrible.

40:30 And the way you treat other people are horrible. You shouldn't treat people that way. Go ahead. Go ahead, Peter. Go ahead. In Jim's defense, I've traveled with him and watched him. He's a diligent reporter who busts his butt like the rest of us. Well, I'm not a big fan of yours either, so I understand. To be honest. So let me ask you a question if I can. You repeatedly said- You are the best. Mr. President, you repeatedly over the course of- Okay, just sit down, please. Well, when you when you report fake news now, when you report fake news, which CNN does a lot, you are the enemy of the people. Go ahead. He couldn't explain it more often. Was there more on your clip that you want to get into? Was that it? No, there was a couple of things because Peter Alexander continued in kind of a funny way that was, again, more accusatory. But it was light compared to what causes. But I would rather like to play the rest of that out of elections last night. I want to hold them very close because they

41:20 Wait a minute, where was it? No, no, no, you gotta go way back. Further back. I gotcha. I gotcha. CNN should be ashamed of itself. Right there. Having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person. You shouldn't be working for CNN. Go ahead. I think that's under- You're a very rude person. The way you treat Sarah Huckabee is horrible. And the way you treat other people are horrible. Oh, forgot to mention. During the Beto party, When Sarah Huckabee, because the screen had ABC on, who had an airplane hanger with 18 people at four desks. It was the most ridiculous roundabout thing I've ever seen. Sarah Huckabee Sanders came on, the whole place started booing her. It was bizarre. Wow. Yeah. Boo! Why are they booing a woman?

42:10 I don't know. I'm just reporting. You shouldn't treat people that way. Go ahead. In Jim's defense, I've traveled with him and watched him. He's a diligent reporter who busts his butt like the rest of us. Well, I'm not a big fan of yours either, sir. I understand. To be honest. So let me ask you a question if I can. You repeatedly said- You are the best. Mr. Besant, you repeatedly, over the course of- Okay, just sit down, please. Yeah, this is Acosta. Acosta kept standing up again without the mic, just yelling stuff. When you report fake news, no. When you report fake news, which CNN does a lot, you are the enemy of the people. Go ahead. Mr. President, over the course of the last several days of the campaign, sir, sir, at the end of the campaign, you repeatedly said that Americans need to fear Democrats. You said Democrats would unleash a wave of violent crime that endangers families everywhere. Why are you pitting Americans against one another? Peter, what are you trying to be him? No, I'm just asking the question. Let me just tell you.

43:04 First simple, because they're very weak on crime because they have often suggested members and people within the Democrat Party at a high level have suggested getting rid of ice, getting rid of law enforcement. That's not going to happen. OK, we want to be strong on the borders. We want to be strong on law enforcement. And I want to I want to cherish ice because ice does a fantastic job. The what they do for us is so Really, it's so unrecognized how good a job they do. So we want to take care of them and we want to hold them very close because they do a good job. But the question to be clear, to be clear, though, the question, sir, why are you sit down with the question? But you didn't answer my question just very simply. The question is, why are you pitting Americans against one another, sir? I'm not. Is that how you view? No, I'm not. We won a lot of elections last night.

43:55 We did very well last night. I think it's going to have a very positive impact. I watched NBC this morning. They didn't report it exactly, but that's, you know, very, very, that's the fact with NBC. Nothing I can do about that. But I want this country to have protection. We want security in our country. I want security, Peter. I mean, you maybe don't think it's so important. And I think when you don't have it, you are indeed unleashing crime. I feel that. You said you would sign an executive order on birthright citizenship. Are you still going to sign the executive order on birth birthright? You'll ask me that question a little bit later. Go ahead. OK. All right. Well, so he is his accusation was why are you pitting Americans against each other? Yeah. What is that? That's the question. These are these are not intelligent questions. Well, they're they're

44:49 They're not questions, they're kind of accusations in the form of a question. Yeah, they're statements. Are you still beating your wife? Are you still beating her? Are you still a wife beater? Yes. I don't beat my wife. Well, I thought, well, are you still beating her? It's very... Did you see the whole thing? Did you see the whole... Poor form. I didn't watch. I saw about 30 minutes of it. The whole thing is interesting. There's a lot of good stuff in there. I like the thing where he starts going after the guys who were... Well, let's play because we still have a cost of thing I want to play this Acosta clip, but he does have the I got some more from the press conference So we've got a circle back. Yeah. No, I want to definitely because this is gonna

45:29 Segway right into what you're gonna do because the cost that talks about this and then you can play that clip because I hope you have it this is Tapper Acosta's I got here Tapper Acosta CNN 8 seconds. Let's listen But President Trump did something that I've never seen an American president do which is go on a personal rant against me for the questions you were attempting to ask rant rant I've never seen that a rant Yeah, all right Okay, let's get to the crux of it, which leads to your clip.

46:14 You would have seen the question that I was asking, which was essentially about this lie that he told before the midterm elections, that this caravan of migrants moving from Central America to the U.S. border with Mexico is somehow an invasion when it's not. They're still hundreds of miles away and they pose nothing of a threat. to the United States, but the president used that language obviously as we've talked about so many times to galvanize his base. He just didn't like hearing that question. If you don't stop him he'll just keep going. He didn't like being challenged on that point and he certainly doesn't like being called out for his falsehoods, but of course Jake as you were just mentioning that's our job, that's what we do over here, that's what Wolf did when he was over here as a White House correspondent as well, and we just can't be intimidated by that sort of thing. I was struck by... What is that buttering up for Wolf?

46:57 Like, that's what Wolf also did when he was, in other words, like you're the next Brolf? What are you saying? No, he wants to get enough hits on the Brolf show. The fact that the president we thought was going to come in there and do this victory lap, it sounded very much like a pity party. The way he was talking about lawmakers that wouldn't stand by him on the GOP side in various House races, he seems to be sort of unaware of the fact That is immigration rhetoric and his rhetoric on many levels was just turning off a lot of those suburban swing district voters That's why people like Mike Kaufman in Colorado were staying away from him, and he just doesn't understand that all right Okay before you play your clip. I got to say something about this Mike Kaufman thing I think it's Kaufman or Hoffman this guy because I looked him up He was the sitting representative of

47:45 He was already in the House. He was a Trump hater. He's a Trump, never Trump, or Republican. US Marine, been in Colorado, representing Colorado for a long time. He would take none of Trump's help. Trump called him out on it. And he lost by 10 points to a newbie who had no political experience, relatively speaking, he was an ex-Army Ranger, so he's like... I just was stunned by this, but the way Acosta presents it is that, well, Trump was toxic and that's why this guy told him to get lost. But the guy told him to get lost and he lost. I mean, is that part of the equation? Do we want to bring that into the picture? Is it maybe something we want to analyze a little bit? No. No. Why?

48:41 Meanwhile, of course the cost it was filling I could have played I think it was on for another 15 minutes Well, actually I'm his oats because this was before he got is well now let me let me play the the oat sowing clip with the Tapper and Acosta we need to note the president started out by doing a dance on the graves of Republicans who did not show him enough fealty and I love this. Wow! Doing a dance on the grave, baby. Republicans who, for their own purposes, many of them in those suburban districts that turned away from President Trump, where he was toxic. See? There's the same toxic. They're calling him toxic even though he literally called out all of those Never Trumpers who didn't want him and who lost.

49:30 This is skewed reporting, obviously. That commercial was toxic, his language was toxic. His butt sweat is toxic! It's a man's toxic, he's just toxic! Orange man bad. Congressman Carlos Curbelo in Florida. People like Congresswoman Barbara Comstock in Virginia. People like Congresswoman Mia Love in Utah, who by the way, her race hasn't been called yet. So his saying that she lost is premature. She may actually end up winning that race. Did she win? I don't know that she did. No. He danced on their graves. He said because they didn't embrace him, they lost. Toxic Trump dances on graves. Film at 11. And he was flip about it. He almost seemed to be happy about the fact that Congressman Mike Hoffman, a Republican from the suburbs of Denver, lost.

50:18 Yes, I think he was. He made that very clear because he didn't want the president's support. I've never seen a president take delight in people of his own party losing. And he was only stop. Stop the clip. I watched this part. He wasn't that delightful. He was irked. Oh, no. OK, I'll give that to you. Yes, I think night. Very snide. He was very irked. And he was, and I think he felt insulted. I'm the president, you know. No, well, you're probably right. I probably have too much Dementia B watching in me. I'm like, yeah, he was kind of smug about it, but maybe you're right. He wasn't pissed. Maybe he was just like idiots. That's possible.

51:10 That's possible. He needs those people to be in the House and they were stupid and they lost. Everybody he supported mostly won. I think there's a few that didn't, especially all the senators, and they're happy that they got in. Obama went out on the trail and they don't want to talk about this, but everybody he stumped for lost. Here's a, that was actually the wrong clip, here's Acosta, this clip does contain Acosta with Anderson Cooper. I also want to read a statement that CNN's just released. The statement reads, the White House announced tonight that it has revoked the press pass of CNN chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta. It was done in retaliation for his challenging questions at today's press conference. In the explanation, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders lied. She provided fraudulent accusations and cited an incident that never happened.

51:57 This unprecedented decision is a threat to our country. This is what bugs me. The incident did happen. It's minor, like you like to say. It's very minor. I think it's minor too. But it happened. It did happen. Yes, it did happen. Well, he didn't lay hands on her. He swatted her arm down. And she did look kind of surprised, but she lunged for the mic. She had the mic in her hand and he pushed her away. And I think they both had a moment of like, what just happened there? But it did happen. I think he was trying to chop this from outgo dimension A completely. He was karate chopping her arm right at the elbow point, hoping it would break. Yeah man, what a douche! Democracy and the country deserves better. Jim Acosta has our full support.

52:41 Anything else you want to add? Well, I was you know, I was just trying to ask a question of the president at this press conference and it was obviously a question they didn't like it was about his Racist ad on the caravan that they were running before the midterms Did you see that ad was it indeed racist? Why was it racist? I never saw it. Racist? That's the ad that supposedly has all these illegal immigrants illegal aliens hitting, blowing up some town or something. It's racist. phone away from me all I can say at that point is that I was trying to hang on to the microphone so I could continue to ask the president questions. It was really it was kind of sad because you know I've seen this clip now with this chops in slow-mo everything's zoomed in and I was I'm looking at the poor girl

53:33 Because it happens, she has this moment of kind of shock, she looks at Acosta, turns to the president, looks at him, and then this is a moment, you know, just... Oh yeah, she has a befuddled look on her eyes. Yes. We didn't see him because they don't show that, but I think he gave her a cue to... Crouch down, get out of the way, because bullets will fly. I felt bad for her. It could be hurt. It's like, hey, how was your... They say that White House interns get abused, but geez, easy does it, DC. Obviously, I didn't put my hands on her or touch her, as they're alleging, and it's just unfortunate that the White House is saying this. He says he didn't even touch her. Yeah, that's even better.

54:19 Gee, are you surprised? So who's the liar? Oh, there you go. This is the are you surprised? This is the are you surprised show. I think I handled myself professionally and I appreciate all the comments from my colleagues. I do think Anderson that this is a test for all of us. I do think they're trying to shut us down to some extent inside the White House press corps and to some extent I think they're trying to send a message to our colleagues. Okay, I have a couple more clips that I just want to get in here and then I we do have to talk about some conclusions Nancy Pelosi Started her press conference just a little bit before the president and this ended his it was not at all as entertaining Oh, actually, this isn't even from the press conference. This is when they won. It's just a short clip And I think was just cute

55:17 It's about stopping the GOP and Mitch McConnell's assault on Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act, and the health care of 130 million Americans living with pre-existing medical conditions. Let's hear it more for pre-existing medical conditions. Yay! Yay! More pre-existing medical conditions! Yay! I thought that was funny. That was funny. Let's hear it. We need more people with pre-existing conditions. Woo! Yay! So, after this whole Acosta thing, there was a few more confrontations. April Ryan stood up and asked something and he didn't recognize her. He didn't say, didn't give her the mic and he told her to shut up and sit down, which is probably right on.

56:12 But so at a certain point he's like, okay, this is kind of going along. He's answering questions and should we keep this going for a little while? And this came up a couple of times people like Mr. Even before they started their question saying Mr. President, this is great. Could you do this more often? This is really fantastic. And I think Trump even talked about how he hadn't done press for a month and it wasn't didn't go well and then I had to do more press because you know that I have to keep our message going my message which gets distorted I mean he was making some sense he was not dropping as many full words and sentences as usual Which was surprising. And so he was, you know, after the Acosta thing, he's kind of in a vibe and he calls on the reporter from PBS. Should we keep this going for a little while? Yes, I think you should keep this going. When you get bored, would you please tell me? Seriously, tell me. You're never bored. I don't want to, hopefully not.

57:06 I don't want to overstay, but please go ahead. that now the Republican Party is seen as supporting white nationalists because of your rhetoric. What do you make of that? I don't believe it. I just, well, I don't know. Why do I have my highest poll numbers ever with African Americans? Why do I have among the highest poll numbers with African Americans? I mean, why do I have my highest poll numbers? That's such a racist question. Honestly, I mean, I know you have it written down and you're going to tell me. Let me tell you, it's a racist question. And Mr. President, I love it. You know what the word is? I love our country.

57:51 I do. You call, you have nationalists, you have globalists. I also love the world, and I don't mind helping the world, but we have to straighten out our country first. We have a lot of problems. And Mr. — Excuse me. But to say that, what you said, is so insulting to me. It's a very terrible thing that you said. And Mr. President — Mr. President — Now, I don't know if the question was racist. I don't think it was a racist question. Well, here's the problem. It's a thorn in, as she would put it later on the PBS NewsHour, a thorn in his side. His racism? No, it's the fact that the left has really made this word nationalism into white nationalism by definition.

58:41 And so she is bringing this point up from a leftist perspective of PBS NewsHour, and he just found it offensive. Well, he said, yeah, of course it's offensive, but he called it racist, which was not racist. Well, because it brings in the white nationalists are by definition racist. And so because it goes like this, you said nationalism, which means white nationalism by anybody's standards, except maybe yours and a few other people that are living in the 18th century when nationalism meant something different. It was very insulting. That's for sure. But I think on a mental level, it was racist. Well, and by today's standards, of course, you just said use white. I'm sorry, you have a piece of white paper. It's racist. It's got to stop now.

59:29 Yellow pad paper people now she handled I thought she handled it poorly. She's not very good this woman No, I don't know why they're keeping her on a lot of very extreme left-winger, but please notice we always have the black reporter asked the racist question It's just it may just be scheduling. I don't know but That is why the funniest bit on Seth Meyers late late show is he's got a black writer woman who's I think a lesbian and he brings her on to tell off-color jokes

1:00:05 Because he can't tell oh yes, I've seen this bit Yeah, and it's actually quite funny because she'll tell some of the most extremely offensive and all that a guy just that a joke a white guy Can't say yes, a white guy can't say which makes his point But he's also kind of he's making a point and missing a point at the same time when he does this bit so I've figured out most of what is what the president is hiding with his tax return and Because this came up and man Trump he sometimes you got to listen you have to listen very carefully because you get used to the half sentences and half words and I got I've gotten pretty good at filling it in but he also dropped some bombs to me they were bombs saying okay I don't know exactly what it is yet maybe it's a question for the banker he might know because you know his bank used to lend money to Trump

1:00:55 Which by the way, everyone was always happy with, he says. Everybody always liked doing business with him. They made a lot of money. But this is about his tax returns and listen to his giveaways, really. All right, thank you, Mr. President. And picking up there, you told me the other day that you are an open book. I think I am an open book. So point blank, Democrats go after your tax returns. Will you try to block that or will you Allow them now. Well, look, as I've told you, they're under audit. They have been for a long time. They're extremely complex. People wouldn't understand them. They're done by among the biggest and best law firms in the country. Same thing with the accounting firms. The accountants are a very, very large, powerful firm from the standpoint of respect, highly respected. Big firm. A great law firm. You know it very well.

1:01:47 They do these things, they put them in. They do these things, they put them in. Okay, so that was my first clue. But people don't understand tax returns. Now, I did do a filing of over 100 pages, I believe, which is in the offices. And when people went and saw that filing and they saw the magnitude of it, they were very disappointed. And they saw the, you know, the details. You'd get far more from that. But it's a great company. But it's big and it's complex. And it's Probably feet high it's complex. It's a very complex instrument It's a very complex instrument so whoever his tax firm is they're very well respected have a lot of power They put some financial instrument into his mix because he just said that to us. He just said you wouldn't understand it The those guys they put it in it's a very complex instrument. I don't know what it is, but

1:02:48 But I bet it's something really fabulous that erases billions of debt or makes him not pay any taxes. That's something. Yeah, he probably paid no taxes. It's probably zero taxes and that's it's probably so awesome when you see it. You're like, you know, I made, you know, five billion dollars paid and I got a refund. It could be one of those. It could be. It could be a refund actually. He may be under some non-disclosure. Because it's a proprietary deal. Mechanism. Yeah, yeah. And I bet you there's a proprietary thing going on here and they have found some loophole, which is what the New York Times kind of hinted at. Now that's a good point, John. This is a proprietary thing they've done and it may be an instrument that his very well-respected firm, maybe with some other very well-respected bank, put some instrument together. Yeah, that only they know how it works. Yeah. And only they... and they don't want it revealed.

1:03:54 Because it's a competitive edge against the other tax firms. Someone in the chatroom, troll room said, he files a 1040-EZ. But that would be just as embarrassing. But I think you're right. It's some kind of instrument, it's proprietary, which has been the real reason. And it would look like he paid no tax or I think worse, he got a refund. It's gotta be like some crazy billion dollar refund. It'll look like a refund. It's something weird. So, but he kind of gave that away. I love listening to the guy if you can really pay attention, then you can hear these little things. Well, that's going to be one of the things they go after. Yeah, just so important for the world. I'm so happy. So happy we're going after that. They're looking for a competitive edge. Yeah. I got one more. Now this was interesting to me because I've been following ever since Kshakriki.

1:04:56 Jamal Khashoggi. Ever since Khashoggi, I've been following a number of things, the oil flows, the relationship between Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia, Qatar, Israel, this is very interesting. Now of course we have the sanctions in place as well, which is swift, which I have done some research on and want to talk about later on. But this is a question about Erdogan, and I had to go back and it was the president of Turkey, which is kind of funny because Trump doesn't hear the guy and then he thinks the guy thinks he's stupid because he doesn't know who Erdogan is.

1:05:36 Which really shows, that really shows you his weak spot. When people think he's stupid it really irritates the hell out of him. You'll hear it right at the beginning. Mr. President Erdogan said he's not gonna follow your sanctions and he's gonna keep buying oil from... Who said that? President Erdogan. Turkey I know I know and you're gonna meet him soon. Just can't understand isn't okay. It's I can't understand you brown fuck That's what that's what he's thinking you're gonna meet him soon You're gonna have this talk and some companies are gonna take the same steps that president are the guys doing so let me just say about the oil Okay, so we're poor we imposed just recently the strongest sanctions in The history of our country just about well, I guess North Korea is there too. I

1:06:20 But I gave some countries a break on the oil. I did it a little bit because they really asked for some help. But I really did it because I don't want to drive oil prices up to $100 a barrel or $150 a barrel, because I'm driving them down. If you look at oil prices, they've come down very substantially over the last couple of months. That's because of me. Because you have a monopoly called OPEC. And I don't like—wait. And I don't like that monopoly. I don't like it. and oil prices are coming down. So, rather than deciding to be as tough as I am on most of the sanctions, what I've done is I said, we're not going to do it that way. We're going to let some of the oil go out to these countries that really do need it, because I don't want to drive the oil prices up to $100 or $150, which could happen very easily. It's a very fragile market, very, very fragile. I know it very well.

1:07:15 And it's the absolute right decision. And they'll get tougher as time goes by, maybe. But I don't want to have any effect on the oil prices worldwide where I drive them up because I consider that to be a tax and I don't like taxes. You know, and amidst all of this, he did say at the United Nations, I'm pissed about the oil prices and they are going down. I mean, I looked at the monthly and it was down, what, 15 bucks? Yeah, it goes up it goes down. But let's just remember, yeah it goes up it goes down. Well hold on a second, let's take a look at the, let me just take a look at the chart. Well here we go. So one month it was $75 on the 11th of October, the 9th of October, and today it's 60, no 61, that's WTI crude. So that's a drop. Yeah.

1:08:14 But maybe actually if you look at it from when did the Kishoji thing happen did that happen around October the beginning of October? This is rather interesting the middle of October I think October 4th, maybe October 4th well October 3rd oil was at a at a at a year-long high a year high of Let me see here. It's almost 75 bucks, and it just goes down from there and Now remember, he said that, he was pissed off, this is before Khashoggi, he said at the United Nations, it went up a little bit from there because that was September, went up, went up, went up, we hit 75, Khashoggi happens, Trump gets pissed off, price comes down. There's stuff going on. I mean, we're back to, when is it, we're back to April's price. So, I just don't think it's coincidental. Well, probably not.

1:09:18 And I like how he says it's a tax. Yes, thank you. Finally, a politician who just says it, high gas prices are tax. Yeah, well, in California, they just make it, they make taxes. We'll talk about that after the break. Okay. But I just for, we have a lot of foreign listeners who live in America. We have a lot of foreign listeners. So I think the analysis... I was looking at our, some of the lower, I look at our listeners every once in a while. Producers. and producers. Actually, I don't look at the listeners, I look at the producers because they're the ones that show up on the spreadsheet. So the producers, we have a guy in Oman.

1:09:58 We have guys everywhere, a lot of Saudis. But I think even just to give people some... By the way, they're all in software. Let's just give people some ammo. So I'll give you my takeaway from this election, what it means, and you give yours, and I'm sure I'll mess it up. You're much smarter than I am, and you are when it comes to the civics. What are you buttering me up for? Because I just want to get my analysis out before you go. That's why. It's come to this point in our relationship where I have to butter you up just so you won't interrupt me telling me I'm stupid. I'll pre-up. Kind of like that. What happened here?

1:10:40 The way I see it is almost a replay of the 2016 election. Because you have to understand the difference between representatives in the House, which is based upon the population in your state, I think California alone has 54 of them, versus every state gets two senators, which as you know, the Democrats and a lot of people on the left hate. because Trump won, and several presidents have won, the electoral college, which is the only thing that counts according to our constitutional republic, the way the system works. And if you look at the amount of extra Senate seats, the states that they're in, along with the governorships, it bodes very well for the 2020 election because it looks like the majority of the country

1:11:29 not by people but by states really is bent towards the Republicans or Trump or whatever combination and so it was net positive I think for the Republicans and And actually I think the Democrats winning the house is net positive for the Republicans because they're morons They can't do anything when they have they have all the power. They're just bumbling like the Keystone Cops So who knows now? Now that you brought that, you brought your little analysis into play, I have to play this little 59 second clip. And you see if you could pick up the little subtlety here. This I believe is a professor from Sonoma State. He's like a local news, this is a local news report. It's called the local news local professor. This guy

1:12:18 He's not, you'll never hear him. He's got a little interesting take on the whole thing. And he does, I think his analysis would match up with yours and I would agree with both. Your take is nothing to complain about. I don't know why you're so paranoid about it. But this is kind of the same thing, only he kind of, does it on the... he does it in an awkward... there's something in here that you will get a kick out of. People trying to do here, I would have to say that they were trying to put a bit of a check on Trump. They were saying, even though we know that these people are crazy, well we need them to sort of check this guy so he doesn't go too far. So that's gonna block things. Now Trump can advance on executive orders, he can advance on the court, he obviously can advance on foreign policy. The thing that worries me is this sort of investigative fight.

1:13:06 Because the Dems are very likely, their temptation is to go there. And if they go there, Trump has a secret weapon, but the secret weapon is his own Justice Department, which he has not controlled. That's the one department of the executive branch that Trump has not controlled since he took office. Will he? I think he can now. His big mistake was not to fire Comey and Rosenstein on day one. But he can fire them now and it's the perfect time to do it. And I don't mean Rosenstein, but out goes Sessions, out goes Rosenstein. Trump retakes, not retakes, takes over for the first time his Justice Department. And then in the Democrats' open investigations, Trump has a tremendous amount of retaliatory firepower. Oh, yes, that happened. That happens. That literally happened. That was actually Denise D'Souza.

1:13:50 predicting the firing of Jeff Sessions. Really? Well, he nailed it. He nailed it. But the thing that's funny in there was, which this is not the clip I was hoping for, but the other clip was similar. This is actually better. But he said he just casually says, well, yeah, they put these Democrats in knowing they're crazy because just to put a little check on Trump. Right, right, right, right. I have to agree that Democrats that they talk about pretty much are crazy. AOC is the worst case example. But that Muslim woman they elected in Minnesota and she beat the other one by 50 points. Wow. She is a Jew hater. They dug up some old tweets by her from 2012 where she's just going off about how all is good. It's just all about hummus. I'm telling you. Yeah, well, it could be. But she is... Even the Jews know that the Muslims make better hummus.

1:14:47 There we go That's right. If you go there, you'll be taken to a place that's run by Muslims. You're not gonna go. No Nobody's making hummus as good as these uncovered the Israeli lobby so the point is is that yeah, there's a bunch of nutcases that are now in and they're gonna be kind of a Probably, yes, I think Pelosi is my, okay, you did your analysis. Yes, please. Go, go, go. I agree with everything you say, except we have to take into account what's really going on with these nutty Democrats that they've elected. And I'm just going to say it, and it sounds partisan to somebody bitched about that. And this way it goes. I think these people are lunatics. I think AOC is a dummy.

1:15:34 I think these other people aren't their brightest bulbs in the pack. And the fact that they won't mention young Cam is another example of what's wrong with everything. Pelosi has to become, and I think Trump knows this, has to become the speaker because she is, if you listen to some talk, especially around here where she's from, she is one tough cookie behind the scenes. She may be a bumbling fool in front of the cameras. No, no, no. She even calls herself an expert negotiator. She is a toughie and she will put these people in line because these Democrats will go out get out of control so fast if they don't have a taskmaster who will go up to him and she looks like a psycho to begin with and Bug those psycho eyes at him and tell him to sit down and shut up. You just got here. Oh

1:16:27 You're not telling us what to do and she's gonna put him in their place and they're gonna be fine. That's why I think already happened to AOC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she did and you know what? I don't think AOC got a mention from her either. It was the the Muslim ladies and just mention of lots of women, but I don't even it was like, you know, AOC was not mentioned. But not even by Pelosi. AOC has not been mentioned by anybody in the last five weeks. Yeah, yeah. Oh man, bring her back. She's so much fun. I think she's done. She's so much fun. She's done in terms of her profile. All right. But I think I have a feeling Pelosi will try and get some stuff done and she's going to be very surprised. I think that we will see some form of health care reform with pre-existing conditions. That's all they have to have in it. No one else gives a crap. It could be ripping us off as long as that's in it. They're ripping us off. Let's face it. No kidding.

1:17:29 Okay, right. Oh, so that was that yeah, well, there's more to talk about. Oh, yes, but for now I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in Prop C John C Dvorak and the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry and good morning to ships at the sea and the beat in the ground and the fault in the ring and a bang it a bang in the bone Yes, games and nights out there and in the morning to The Troll Room. I love sounding the bat signal. I love when you all head off to the Troll Room and are here for us every Thursday and Sunday. NoahJennerStream.com. You can listen live, you can get in there, chat with everybody. Troll away! Troll away.

1:18:12 It's okay, everyone else does it. And I also want to say in the morning to LAX, LAX, who brought us the artwork for episode 1083. Now this is one that came in a show earlier. We liked it so much. No, it's two. Two shows earlier, it went in the newsletter and we just had to use it since we always like to pick art about something that was discussed in the show. And this was the subway spoof of KASH HOAGIE the new Cash Hoagie, which is just a brilliant piece of art. One of the better ones. And we haven't heard from Lacks in a long time. No, he shows up rarely, but this piece was like... When it came in, we had... We had something else that we knew... Well, we had something for maybe for the elections and we knew we couldn't use that art. No, no, it was before that. It was something that was... I think it was the 11th anniversary show or it was something that we had... We couldn't use it.

1:19:06 I don't know the exact reason, but there was something we had to use instead. And we just were kicking ourselves because it would have been ideal, but it wasn't thematic. And I think it was the 11th anniversary. And so we couldn't use it and I said, well, we're going to keep it. That's right. It was the 11th anniversary. That's right. Yeah. It wasn't going to work. And so we said, well, we'll put it aside. And then we weren't talking about Kshogi enough to put it back up there. And so, and I was bitching about that after the show and I, cause I kept wanting to use it. So I put in the newsletter, so I make sure at least it gets used once.

1:19:42 And then we've had an opportunity to use it again because the last show, and I'll bring this up, after we do the show we pick the art and do the titles and all the rest of it. We, Adam in particular was in a bad mood, foul. When? And he didn't like any of the art. What do you mean I was in a bad... What? There was some art I thought was useful. But why, I wasn't in a foul mood. Oh yeah. And so, uh... So the art, so all the art was bad. And I mean, I thought it was good, but he thought... You're fake news, Dvorak, fake news.

1:20:20 And so he said, and I'm like, oh God, we have to go to the evergreen. So we go to the evergreen page and look around. And then he just says, we got to use the Kishogi thing now. And I agreed because that was so, that was. That's it was okay enough praise lax do art once in a while hold on a second I'm trying to climb out from under the bus here one moment Okay, I'm better now and the thing that was so great about it was using the no agenda thing and turning into this subway logo Yeah, it was beautiful was beautiful and the bones in the sandwich Well, thank you very much to LAX or LAX, also part of our value for value network, our whole system. It's the way it works. You get recognition. There's even ways to make money with noagendershop.com guys. But above all, just thank you for making us look good because when you fire up your podcast player, you just go to iTunes, new and noteworthy, we look good.

1:27:03 I would appreciate the Sharpton montage at the end of the show in the morning, Sir 10, Sir 10 T newly minted Duke of the Federal Reserve District 7. You know, I heard your interview with Grime-erica, not to dwell on it, but you know, these guys also have the value for value model, but I got to go on their show and I've got to set them straight because they're not doing it right. Well, tell me. Because they end the show, hey, it's value for value. All right, everybody. It's like, what? You can't just say it's value for value send money. What was the value you got to remind me? We just had John C. Dvorak on for an hour. You know something like that It's you know, you've got it. You've got to remind people of the value. You can't just say remember it's value for value send money It just doesn't work that way in my your key what you're telling them is

1:27:53 If I'm to understand this correctly, yeah, because you talked about it. There's no salesmanship here. No, they did exactly. And it's not I think it's they just haven't thought it through yet. You need that is an essential part. of how it works. I mean, you were, you explained quite in detail how the model works, but I don't think they quite figured that part out. I would recommend that, I didn't think of this because I didn't listen to the end of the show because I was only there for the interview, and they pieced it together after the fact, so I don't know what happened. That maybe they should listen to Jen Briney.

1:28:31 She's doing pretty good. I think Bryony does a good job of selling it. She gets, and she starts whining about not getting enough money. Yeah, that's important. It's all part of the human experience. It's all the elements you need, but it's not like up-tempo, hey, you know, it's just like, it's serious. If you want, I've, I said this before, and I think I mentioned it on that interview is that one of the things that we did from the beginning, once we decided that this is what we're going to do and not take advertising, Which you have to take it pretty seriously. Yes. And when it's not working out, you haven't done this for a while, but you can really get worked up about it. You have to seriously say, hey, you didn't give us, you know, this is not enough. This is no good. Maybe there's nobody listening. If that's the case, we'll go do something else. I mean, you really can't just be, you know,

1:29:23 Carefree let's put it that way and and I think that they still have to get over the biggest hump which on Twitter will be called begging and But in our world it's called selling it. You know, it's okay. You've got to sell the idea. This is our concept. This is what we're doing. This is why... This is what PBS does? Well, PBS, they don't do that. They say, wouldn't you like to see more Yanni? No, I don't want to see Yanni. No, PBS, the original concept of PBS worked quite well when it was really sponsored by the listeners and churches do the same thing. Yeah.

1:30:04 But it's it's it feels strange if people have it's a hump yet briny's over the hump she understands it feels very weird the first you like mom saying hey it's really valuable please send me money it feels weird the first time you do it trust me after 11 years. You and you and you understand how the mechanism works It's very satisfying because if people think it's shit, then they won't give you any money the value for value it works itself out Automatically, but you do have to explain it, and I think you have to explain it a lot so that's just a little tip I Agree if that's the way they're ending it they have to fix that well Yeah, you should go on their show and then yeah after void zero goes on

1:30:49 Yeah, I forgot to mention void zero and sir BEMBRO's well and the part man void zero was upset about that and I Apologize to it's okay, but I mean you missed the whole producer network part I mean it just didn't come up in the conversation because I know Not your fault but an origin story, right? Why did I, how did I get into this? I don't know if I even mentioned me, Vio. I should have. Yes, you did. You did. Yeah, because it was that's what I might talk about. But again, but again, instead of saying, I scammed Adam and he gave me a job, you're like, well, and I became vice president over there or something like that. You scammed me. I said, OK, I'm in. And then I made you I made you vice president. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it started. So it works. Yeah, exactly.

1:31:37 Exactly. Move on. Let's onward. Onward to Sir Richard Bangs in Washington, D.C., $200. I saw the Beagle, which was at the bottom of the newsletter, and I knew what to do. I just did the math and my last donation actually put me at $3,000 and therefore I'm a baron. I like to be the baron of D.C. If it's available, I believe so. And I think it's, no, it's available. I'm sure of it. If not, Baron of Chocolate City has a nice ring to it. Thank you for my sanity as much as I love saying NJNK. So I've got my third human resource on the way.

1:35:37 So I just like to stick with what we left off before the break kind of with the Iran sanctions and What is because they are in effect now for two days and I do have two clips I think the first one is from RT. The second one is from Deutsche Welle. Yes, I had to go to different Different corners of the earth to go and find some information because God forbid our US media talks about anything Russian officials recently announced that Moscow and Beijing are working on creating a cross-border payment system Which will use their national currencies in bilateral trade with the goal of reducing dependence on the US dollar By bypassing the dollar Russia and China avoid transfer fees and reduce their exposure to potential swings in the value of the US currency

1:36:33 Both sides also pointed out that growing US hostilities toward their respective countries made de-dollarization a task of utmost importance. Russia has also completed the infrastructure necessary to build a replacement for SWIFT, the Belgium-based financial messaging system used to carry out dollar-dominated transactions. The SWIFT alternative will allow for countries to more easily trade with Tehran. Iran has been mercilessly targeted by US sanctions, which have inhibited the country's ability to make international payments. Russia's new SWIFT replacement, called SPFS,

1:37:10 will be integrated with similar systems in China and Turkey. Yeah, the SPFS. It's a competing system to SWIFT. I just wanted to know what it was. SPFS. We talked about it on Sunday. SPF. I didn't remember this. The Sierra Papa Foxtrot Sierra. SPFS. Sounds like that statistical package for the social sciences. What I find interesting is I think it's a lie that Iran has been taken off the SWIFT payment messaging network. Otherwise, how could these other exceptions, the president talked about it, we heard earlier, there are some exceptions who are still allowed to buy oil. So they must be doing that through the SWIFT system. I doubt that whoever, what company was it? I think France still had a few, they're allowed to buy a little bit of oil from Iran.

1:38:07 I doubt that they've been, that, you know, this is not going through the Swift network, so somewhere someone's full of crap. Also, the Swift network is laughable because I really want to understand how it works. Yeah, it's so it's worse It's just a secure messaging system. And so if I'm transferring money to you then Let's just say you're in a different country doesn't really matter. It still use the same system Then all that really goes to your bank is a message saying Adam sent $100 to your bank and What happens on the back end is more interesting, and this is why you have to be a member of the Swift system. Everyone has an account with everybody else.

1:38:48 So what would actually take place is a few days later during some kind of settlement, even though you've received that money in your account, they actually transfer money from their account at whatever your bank is into your account at your bank. And if you were to send something to me, it would actually be your bank has an account with my bank and they'd put something from their bank account into my account at my bank. It's a very very antiquated system, especially if you look at what Bitcoin can do as an example. Which the Russians are talking about, they're talking about Master Chain using that blockchain to replace Swift. And here's Deutsche Welle's report. And Iran says that it is working with Europe to set up a mechanism to bypass those sanctions. Let's bring in Brussels correspondent Terry Schultz. Terry, could this actually happen?

1:39:37 The European Union maintains that it will happen. Just Friday, Federica Mogherini, EU foreign policy chief, and the governments of France, Germany and the UK said that their resolve to both maintain the nuclear deal with Iran and to maintain economic support for European companies doing business in Iran is unwavering. So the European Union says it's setting up this so-called special purpose vehicle which would allow payments to go in and out of Iran and bypassing US sanctions. That's how it's envisioned and the EU maintains that this is going to happen although it's not operational today. At the same time the US has yet another lever and that is to demand that SWIFT, that's the Belgium-based

1:40:26 financial messaging service which handles most of the world's interbank messaging. The US says Swift has to cut off all the sanctions Iranian institutions and so if that happens it's hard to see how Iran could get around the sanctions regardless of how creative they're being. How about European companies themselves because we know that the United States has threatened them if they don't adhere to these sanctions. Are they likely to do so or not? Yes, we have seen European companies pulling out of Iran and that's despite the EU itself threatening sanctions on companies that pull out because of the US sanctions. So these companies are really in a tough spot because

1:41:08 Both Brussels and Washington are saying they must obey. But what we have seen is an exodus of European companies and some very big German companies among them deciding that simply their bottom line cannot support being in a confrontation with Washington and that whatever losses they have to take by cutting contracts in Iran and possibly annoying Brussels is going to be worth it. So I don't think there's any de-dollarization taking place. I think that's going to go, that'll take a little while. You know that story is so interesting. I just do not understand why the US media doesn't even give it anything. It's just, it's the young Kim.

1:41:49 It's a young young young came of stories. I know I find it fascinating important. It's an important thing to know about Well particularly now I did talk to the former New York banker about this He said you remember when I told you we won and I think we talked about on the show a couple years ago We won he says The European banks have lost. They cannot function without the US dollar. It's impossible. They can't do anything without the US dollar. And he says they're really, really, really in trouble now. And, you know, Italy talking about a patriot bail-in, where the government is now proposing, actually proposing in writing, well, 20% of whatever you have in the bank, you know, it'll get a bond for it, an IOU, and it'll be patriotic, do it for Italy. And people are like, oh yeah, good. Okay, Mario. That's really bizarre. I mean, their money's about to get stolen from them.

1:42:50 as if they have an option to say no, no don't take my 20 percent. It's like what happened in Greece. So yeah, so I don't think that there's going to be a de-dollarization, but certainly it's risky to our entire business model of the United States which changed in the 70s. Well after it changed much earlier taking us off the gold standard, but once Once we once we well that's not entirely true once we made the deal with the Saudis Which is why this is so interesting with Khashoggi and all this stuff that's circling around it once we made the deal with the Saudis Which is okay? You sell as much oil as you want you do every whatever you want has to be in dollars will protect your ass That's always been the deal. It's very simple, but now it's you know stuff's a little shaky things are different and

1:43:38 And, you know, again, I don't see the dollar de-dollarization taking place any soon, but it certainly would start with oil purchases in a different currency. And the way to get there is start with some alternative messaging system, alternative to SWIFT. Before you know it. You know that our people are over there, especially probably at NSA, Are working on ways to crack any possible system these guys come up with I'm actually surprised but it's not but Johnny hasn't been correct. Well, this is you know, I Think what we're actually seeing with some interesting spikes I think they're using bit not block the blockchain but Bitcoin I think is being used for some transactions oil transactions as we speak and it makes nothing but sense and

1:44:26 You get your guaranteed proof that this is, you know, this is sent from here to there. I understand. But I'm just saying you don't use, you circumvent the whole, you need a bank account at my bank thing. All of that goes away. Well, this is a story that needs to be discussed. It's now your beat. Yes, well, I've been beating this for a while. You finally perked up. I'm so happy to have you here. Leaky. Okay. Well, I, uh, well that reminds me I'll bring a couple of notes. I need some letters to be read. Okay. Bitching about me. This guy bitching about me. Who's bitching about you? I'll, I'll, I'll mess him up. This is one of our, uh, one of our sirs. I won't mention his name except Matt. Sir. Matt. Noah Jen is the most valuable content media out there. I have always struggled with you and Adam's general rudeness.

1:45:24 Though I imagine most of your audience finds it humorous and or entertaining. Does he have an example of our said rudeness? Well, it's all the time. But please try and stop being so rude to Adam about his segment content, length, et cetera. Just because this material is boring or already known to you, he really wrote it as boring, which is probably what the thing, but he actually means boring to me, or already known to, so I'll give him credit for that, or already known to you doesn't mean it's familiar to us in the audience.

1:46:02 The bickering makes the show awful to listen to. Keep up the good work. That's what I get. I don't quite get the keep up the good work part. Okay, I got another one. Now by the way, somebody pointed out the psychology of letters on this show and everywhere else. If you start reading letters like that, you'll get more letters like that. Yeah, that's a very good point. So I don't want to read a lot of letters like that, but I do want to read this one because this is a dimension B person and I'm actually irked by this letter. And I now read some good letters because I got actually really good letters.

1:46:49 I keep my subscription, this is a woman, I keep my subscription to your newsletter so that I can monitor. I'm trying to do it in an accurate voice. She's monitoring. I keep my subscription to your newsletter so that I can monitor whether the show ever goes back to being less partisan and less about politics. There's a lot more going on in the world. After I'm reading this, after you did your report on the oil and the Iranian thing. Yes, I know. There's a lot more going on in the world besides Trump and anti-Trump. I used to be able to hear about it by listening to The No Agenda. Now it's only the BBC that talks about more than Trump. There's a kind of a double entendre in there. And how much he hates the Democrats.

1:47:38 You guys have gone over to the dark side with your Alex Jones conspiracies, Sandy Hook, and what appears to be your blind devotion to DJT. Yes. I remember when JCD would chastise Adam for repeating stuff he read on Infowars website or Prison Planet. When was this? I don't know. I don't know when she was monitoring. I don't remember you being a big fan of Prison Planet. No, I really don't know what she's talking about. I don't either. And I mean, I don't mind jumping on that for something, but I know John, there's clearly what's going on here is orange man bad. That's what's going on. You're out of mainstream perspective used to be unique and well considered. Now the show sounds like a cross between Fox News and Alex Jones. Oh my.

1:48:36 I know you don't care what I think and then she goes on with some issues she had with her spinal cord and so she's never been a producer. She's never been a producer. Okay, well. Okay, she doesn't get value. Well, yeah, she doesn't. She probably never did. I really did find you guys to be entertaining and insightful for a very long time. I really miss you guys, which is why I continue to subscribe to the newsletter in the hopes that this partisan outlook on life that you've acquired will come back to some kind of equilibrium with reality at some point. I'll continue to monitor and hope.

1:49:20 I like the idea of monitoring. Yeah, just keeping an eye on us. I think I have to do something as a public service because there's a lot of confusion and I wouldn't mind clearing it up. We're gonna go. And it's something that only we can do. Now I could do this myself in five minutes but I feel if I do it with you it'll take a little longer but it'll be much more entertaining and you'll be able to fill in some of the blanks when it comes to the actual history of podcasting. Are you interested in this one? Well, first let me preface it by saying that I believe that this came up on a recent show by the guy who has been accused of being an alien. Well, this is Joe Rogan's show and the reason I'm doing this is twofold. One, because they didn't know. And of course, you know, here's four guys who first they drink whiskey, then they're drinking Red Bull, then they're drinking beer, then they're smoking a blunt.

1:50:16 Don't know if I could tell the story. It's a four-hour show. They it's a very long show this particular one But they were trying to figure out some of the genesis of podcasting and I'll just play a little bit of because it was you know Like five minutes, but I'll just play a bit of it. Yeah. Yeah. Who is the first ever? Is the first at what Ricky Gervais first got into the mainstream, but what about The guy from Adam Curry the God Podfather was Was he the first yeah, but but what a girl was doing it for a while before? We should probably establish who was first right like George Washington was the first president We're all professional comedians most professional politicians would be able to tell you who the first fucking president See I really liked that he said this because now he elevated me from podcaster to comedian I did feel kind of good about that no idea. We're like oh

1:51:09 Who's the first podcaster we really don't know right dude? Who was first between you and Maren? I think that Adam Curry was number one. Who's Adam Curry? Adam Curry is an ex-VJ from MTV and he is known as the Podfather, the guy that started podcasting. Ricky Gervais has the first recognizable model. I don't know his relationship history but I think he's the George Washington. Adam Curry. I think he is. And that's enough of it. That to me is a great comparison.

1:51:54 Because you know, it's like who invented podcasting? It's like who invented America? I'll just put it on that scale. Who invented America? It should be Thomas Jefferson. Well, but you see, George Washington was the first president and he's recognized as the first guy. But there's a lot of evolution that came before that, which I'd like to do that for podcasting, just so people understand for once and for all... No. What? They're not gonna understand for once and for all. These other guys come on these podcasts and they don't know what they're talking about. They're throwing out Adam Carolla and Ricky Gervais is the first guy. I mean, where did that even come from? I've heard other things. I mean, it's just gonna get worse and worse. We didn't get nominated for an I Heart Award of any sort. They don't know who we are. They don't care. We have a huge audience. We have a successful podcast that's been going on 11 years.

1:52:48 Shunned, shunned, snubbed. Snubbed? Well, I'm not saying... Look, that's their show and to be honest... Had to smoke a little weed to really get into it, but then I was really into it And I watched quite a bit of it, but that's just their show. They don't know they don't know but Rogan's correct It's it's a disgrace that they're they're one of the most successful podcasts, and they don't know the origin so he's right It's that's disgraceful more disgraceful was not even knowing who you are He does the podcast with there's another guy. I was like a science tech guy some guy named the board Bob Doyle Bob Doyle. Bob Doyle. The funny thing is Rogan and I have communicated and he follows me on Twitter. Bob Doyle. I think this was a, what would you call it when you get back at somebody for calling them a lizard or an alien? I think when we called Rogan an alien you became Bob Doyle. Yeah.

1:53:49 I didn't call him an alien, it was Alex Jones who called him an alien. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, so I want to run through the history and then you know we'll be talking about some technology stuff But this will be the ultimate we'll be done with it, and we'll never have to explain it again What if what is it money on that? Well, I'm not good. How about this? I won't explain it again, and people can cut this out, and this will be from my experience all right, we're taught 1999-2000 this is how far back this really goes I just moved back from New Jersey to the Netherlands and the Netherlands, Amsterdam in particular, had cable modems because the Netherlands is 90% of all house, maybe even more, 98% of all scientists and households

1:54:35 Have cable so cable modems came along very quickly, and they weren't blazingly fast It was like maybe 128 kilobits or maybe 250 if you were lucky But it was it was being sold as not as broadband. It was being sold as always on So you did not have to dial in with your modem? And, you know, so there was multimedia stuff on the web, but there was no experience. It didn't matter what. I mean, the MP3 was just coming along. We had, you know, like the Rio and stupid MP3 players that were really quite antiquated compared to what you see today.

1:55:14 So, you know, broadcasting or streaming or anything like that was it just wasn't possible. There was no way you could do it. There were no services at the time. I don't think real audio had actually come out yet at that point. Maybe it had. In 1990, though, just as an aside, I did broadcast the Mega Music Dance Experience from the Yahrburs in Utrecht, which was a huge dance party on the M-Bone, if you remember that. Remember the M-Bone? Yeah. You've walked away. You've walked away from my story. I need you for color. Come back. Okay, okay, okay. I remember the M-Bone. I remember a bunch of... I remember what was that crazy network that guy did, that one character that had... There was a bunch of crazy stuff that was going on during this era. Yeah, and the M-Bone was amazing. You know, it only worked... You could only really see it if you were at a university, but it was multicast.

1:56:08 And so it was the exact opposite of the problem that we have, which is the more people who watch or listen, the more bandwidth it eats. And this was kind of like a chained multicast thing. Anyway, I digress. At the same time, Napster came out. Real audio was initial releases April 95. Oh, so it was before that even. But, you know, I remember encoding took forever if you... and there was no experience. So then Napster happened and I remember opening up my Napster client and what was so mind-blowing about this is you could see, oh, this is some guy's computer and you could, you know, there was, if you were searching for a song, it might show up and you could explore his computer and you could start up these downloads. And you know, you might have 10, 12 downloads going, it would take a long time because of, you know, no bandwidth, but it was always on and the phone line wasn't tied up. And I was like, oh, this is, what if,

1:57:02 What if I made the experience... by changing the thinking. In other words, your computer's on the whole time. There's something you want. You want it when it's new. Let's say a new song. That's how I was thinking at the time. And... but you... your computer had initiated a download, but didn't tell you it was available until it actually had downloaded onto the computer and would pop up a message and say, hey, I got something new. You click on it, it plays immediately. Great. Great experience. So really unattended. Your computer should be doing this in the background. And I wrote an essay about it called The Last Yard. You can probably find it. Now at the same time, so I had this in my head. I'm like broadcasting. How do I broadcast? How do I use that? How can I do this?

1:57:49 And I knew that there had to be a way, just like the news broadcast, you have no idea how long it takes for people to put the news together and make that hour-long show, those pre-produced packages. But when it's time, all of that just flows out to you. So it's kind of the same idea of have everything happen out of sight of the user. And at the time Dave Weiner had just become pretty well known with RSS and he was doing his blogging software. You can read Weiner at scripting.com. And I went to New York because I felt like I could somehow work with him to use RSS. I wasn't quite sure really.

1:58:30 And we met in a hotel room. I don't remember why he was there. I know I went specifically, this is 4-9-11, I went specifically to meet with him about it. And I explained it and he really brushed me off. He was like, all right, you know, like Hollywood guy, MTV guy, shut up. Hair. Hair. Yeah. You know, guys who are bald really don't take to me right off the bat. For good reason. Yeah. So hair. And then I came back the next day and I actually had some of his software and I tried to program what I meant in his software and after another 45 minutes he says, I get it.

1:59:10 You are forbidden from ever using my software again. That was horrible. Okay, I don't mind. And so he came up with the enclosure element in RSS. And for several years, because he had his little radio user land, was his aggregator and blog publishing software, we were just sending like 100 megabyte video files back and forth. And it would show up on my computer after it had downloaded. and I clicked it and had a great experience. It was exactly what I envisioned and there was nothing happened with it until the iPod. I saw the iPod and I went, holy crap, this is not a jukebox, this is a radio receiver. We need to be able to put radio shows on this iPod. And I started making with an Apple script

1:59:56 a little parser that would go look and was just for one feed it would go look at an RSS feed is there a new item yes download it download the the mp3 file in this case then when it's downloaded and at the time you had your iPod was only you could only put stuff on it by syncing up to your computer so the Apple script would then trip the syncing of the iPod and so this all happened While you didn't know it because this was you know, it was polling on a recurring basis and the experience was you picked up your iPod there was a new radio show. I said, holy shit. This is it and I immediately started the daily source code.

2:00:35 The daily source code with my idea was to bring serialized radio content every single day and I called it source code because we needed receivers. We needed the reception side. So if you remember the pod catchers they might have been called and all of a sudden guys started showing up who were doing applications again just you know podcast apps called iPod or iPod or lemon iPod or X was a whole bunch of different things that were happening it was going very very quickly. Then I met Kevin Marks I want to include him Kevin Marks who I think now works for Google he worked for Apple.

2:01:12 I was having some issue with the we learned a lot about how a podcast app works I was having an issue and he actually sent back a much better functioning version of this Apple script so he has an important part in the story because that really tripped off all of this development and me doing the daily source code and I called it source code because my only audience at that time was Dudes named Ben and was dudes at the time who were building this receiving podcast software. So I've seen audiences today It's basically and some of the same people At this time, and I do want to say that Dave Weiner, I think with Chris Leiden, had done a couple of interviews and they put that on the RSS feed. So was that a podcast? I don't know. Was the MBO in a podcast? It's irrelevant. The idea

2:02:06 that I propagated was you can make radio this way and it's different because the radio show comes to you, it's listening by appointment, the idea of show notes, which we still call show notes, completely ideated from the daily source code. And I also started the directory. It was called the iPod or directory and how that worked is a whole nother story but I had the definitive director directory of all podcasts by country by We had it you could break it out. Anyway, you want it was kind of like a distributed database and Then some guy came into the mix. His name is Danny Gregoire and Danny Gregoire coined the term podcast and

2:02:55 Because we were calling it soliloquies, you know all kinds of stupid things But he he showed up in a comment somewhere. I like this podcast and so to me even though yes Ben Hammersley had used that word years before before There was anything really Danny Gregoire is the guy who used it in context so They have the directory we have all of this working and then I get a call in around 2004 4 or 5 Hi, it's Eddie Q from Apple Steve Jobs wants to meet with you. Are you interested? Let me check my calendar. So I met him at all things D and

2:03:38 Which is outside of Quincy Jones, one of the most interesting meetings I've ever had. And he was angry and you know to the point where, not about me, he was angry about, I don't know, they fucked up Wi-Fi, this is not how I wanted it to be. He was just angry and he was yelling. But then we had an hour. No, and I thought actually, man you shouldn't, you get sick if you're so mad like that. And we sat for an hour just chit-chatting about stuff and how, you know, the RIAA was all on his ass to shut down recorders that can record songs internally on the computer, you know, and so they've been kind of saying they would and they just weren't gonna do it. And it was like, wow, it's very interesting. They said, Adam, I want to put podcasting in iTunes. Is that okay? I said, yeah, that's fantastic. And I'll give you my directory.

2:04:25 Now he already had it all because he went right on stage a couple hours later demoed podcasting in iOS or in the Mac Which is a very funny video go look at that on on the YouTube So he already had that already he knew exactly what he was doing and then came kind of the disappointment. Because after, you know, now podcasting launched, it's like, holy crap, we were in iTunes, we're on the iPod. And what Apple did is went straight into putting NPR bullshit everywhere. Of course, NPR was very instrumental. I want to say WGBH in Boston was the first NPR station to do anything independently. They were doing podcasts. But Apple became this directory that sounded just like everything else on the radio, which was exactly the wrong thing.

2:05:13 That's the part that Steve Jobs didn't get because when you hear some of these different voices that is not as polished or differently polished than the radio. It's exciting. I think a lot of people went and like, okay, that's great. I can listen to NPR. All right, great, Steve Jobs. Thank you very much. I think a lot of people missed out on what was really happening. And then there's a whole story about why podcasting fell off the radar for 10 years, which has to do with the rise of social media and YouTube, etc. But that, to the best of my recollection, is how podcasting came to be. We should clip that whole thing. Yeah, I think it's pretty good. And put it on as a separate little podcast. Yeah, yeah, we'll put it on the M-Bone. Well actually what we'll do is a history of podcasting. I'll do an interview with you. Oh, I feel a giblet coming. Ah, yeah, I think there's a giblet. We'll take a little, we'll take a

2:06:10 transcript of what you just said, we'll add some more stuff to it, make it into a giblet, and we'll also do it as, clip that out and make a podcast that stands alone, a standalone podcast that says as its name, The History of Podcasting. Yeah, that's a good idea. It's a very good idea. And that will take once and for all So if you go to Google and you go history of podcasting, this thing is going to be on the first page somewhere. And then there's the book. Is it a full-on book or there's only 8 million books of how podcasts are about? It's going to be a jibble. It's going to be a small, short little thing. It's not going to be a long, boring book.

2:06:50 Going back to 1927, it's going to be just about what you said pretty much and how it kind of came about and how it got named and how it got where it got and why it's not doing what you'd hoped it had done, except in very few instances, which are all very successful. Well, I mean if we did a full-on, I mean we'd have to talk about MeVio. The co-author, it will co-author Adam Curry and Bob Doyle. George Washington and Bob Doyle. Oh man. Anyway, so that kind of sets it straight, I think. But I'd love to do that. Let that be a project. That's our exit strategy right there. Another project is in the can. Yes.

2:07:37 Well, we got a couple of things here because that woman moans about us. I have two clips. We're done with the podcasting story. Oh, yes. Yes. We're almost into our break. That's how done we are with the podcasting story. Well, let's play a couple of humorous clips. Let's do that. Now you heard the promises clip from Trump, I hope. The promises clip. Well you don't know, you may not have heard this, this is Trump and his promises, play it. It's all happening. Than anybody could believe. Even one of them recently said that President Trump made promises but he's kept many more promises. I mean far more than I made, think of it. That's right, that's because of his really big brain.

2:08:27 It houses more promises than he makes. The guy is amazing. Amazing, just amazing I tell you. The only president I know that has fulfilled more promises than he actually made. Unbelievable, how do you do that? That's our president. Yeah, that's our president. That's our president, ladies and gentlemen. And then we have Joy Behar and her stupid gerrymandering comment right in the middle of some guy. gerrymandering and Bihar won the popular vote last night by 8 million votes right they lose but they lose US Senate races in red areas because of gerrymandering well that's not gerrymandering that's the Constitution I mean you can't the districts are gerrymandered but the states are part of the Constitution and I think you got to explain this to people who don't know our system

2:09:23 There's a thing called gerrymandering, which is where you take a state and you take all the electoral districts for the various representatives, state senators, assemblymen. And when you're in power, you move the boundaries of these things so it favors your guy. So you move, well this is just, right now we're in these three towns, let's put this fourth town in and take this one town out and put them in a different district. Now this happens, how does redistricting take place? Is that based upon the census? Well the census is a huge part of it, but it's done on a state by state level.

2:10:00 And it happens constantly and usually under different excuses. And it's a common thing. It's ridiculous in some areas where you have districts that aren't even connected. They're just scattered neighborhoods that all vote Democrats. And where does the term gerrymandering come from? You're going to have to make me look up the book of knowledge. Well, knowledge as long as as long as I make you do that. Let's play the jingle Was there a guy named Jerry Mander D actually was a PR guy for years called Jerry Manders Jerry Mandarin practice that the word is also verb for a process history history history difference from a

2:10:49 Origins? Etymology. George Gerrymander originally written Gerry, G-R-Y-dash-mander was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette in 1812. It was credited in reaction to the redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under Governor Eldridge Gerry or Elbridge, Elbridge Gerry. So it's named after a governor of Massachusetts. And was he a Democrat? So anyway, when Mapp goes on. Right. So Joy Behar says, well, they gerrymandered, they rigged the Senate race. Yeah. Which of course is laughable because the Senate race is statewide. And you only get two. And it's just a state vote. It's not possible. I mean, it's like, it's so dumb.

2:11:41 It's like ludicrous. The guy even kind of zips her just a little bit. Yeah, no, okay. Yeah, no, not like that. It's in the Constitution, but okay. I think you should have said, yeah, Joy, whatever. Dogs are people too. That's right, everybody. Dogs are people too. They are more people than I care to admit. Man, there's so many dogs in this building. No, I don't but I hate dog owners. I really do I mean the dogs walk out the front door of the building the little dogs They can't hold it. They squat immediately in front of the door So, you know, you know many times have almost slipped and fallen. Oh god, you're kidding me. No, it's that bad. Ah

2:12:25 It's not very pleasant. It smells. Well, dogs are sometimes even above humans. And it was everywhere. It was on my seat, it was on the floor, my feet were in it. Meehan says he jumped up and asked the flight crew for help. This is all I was given, two paper towels and a bottle, one of those little bottles of Bombay Sapphire. I was in the bathroom cleaning feces off of the back of my legs. And Meehan says he was stunned when he got off the plane to speak to a manager. She said, well,

2:11:41 It's like ludicrous. The guy even kind of zips her just a little bit. Yeah, no, okay. Yeah, no, not like that. It's in the Constitution, but okay. I think you should have said, yeah, Joy, whatever. Dogs are people too. That's right, everybody. Dogs are people too. They are more people than I care to admit. Man, there's so many dogs in this building. No, I don't but I hate dog owners. I really do I mean the dogs walk out the front door of the building the little dogs They can't hold it. They squat immediately in front of the door So, you know, you know many times have almost slipped and fallen. Oh god, you're kidding me. No, it's that bad. Ah

2:12:25 It's not very pleasant. It smells. Well, dogs are sometimes even above humans. And it was everywhere. It was on my seat, it was on the floor, my feet were in it. Meehan says he jumped up and asked the flight crew for help. This is all I was given, two paper towels and a bottle, one of those little bottles of Bombay Sapphire. I was in the bathroom cleaning feces off of the back of my legs. And Meehan says he was stunned when he got off the plane to speak to a manager. She said, well,

2:13:08 That's not my problem. I said, I'm sorry. She says, well, if the cleaning crew didn't clean your seat, I don't have any control over that. The feces were from someone's service dog that became ill on the plane earlier. Meehan says because some passengers refused to sit down until it was cleaned up, someone simply used some paper towels. And passengers then laid down blankets, but they still had to endure the smell. It filled the entire plastic bag, paper towels full of feces. Wanted me to sit in that a spokesperson for Delta apologized to some of the customers on the flight and offered a refund and additional compensation Adding that Delta will conduct a full investigation to prevent this from happening again. Oh, yes, we need professor Dookie on the scene. That's We need the poop police I forgot all about that. Yeah, I should have had that queued up anyway poop police It's just that's it's pretty egregious

2:14:07 Police now i'm not gonna play it's too late it's lost its mojo. When you were talking about the history of podcasting just as in the site. Dave Weiner's post in 2000, he says, if you multiply the number of bits per second times the number of seconds you're not using, your line can get a lot of bits down the pipe. And that, both Adam and I believe, is the secret to turning the internet into a super satisfying broadband experience. A little software saw some new protocols, maybe not very new, and we're there. Adam has written more about this idea on his website, adamcurry.editthispaper.com, broadband, dead link.

2:14:49 That's the internet by the way in a nutshell if anyone can find this article called the last yard or I think it's I think it's called the last yard send me a link because yeah, it's been very hard to find this link a lot of a Lot of dead links to it. That's the internet everything saved in perpetuity Except the shit you actually want to keep is never dead link All right, give us one more John. Give us another fun clip here Well, I do have, I don't want to go right back into the initiatives, but here's the thing on the state initiatives which I do want to discuss a little bit. Initiatives in the states, talked about on CBS. Okay. A number of key ballot initiatives were decided last night. Michigan became the first Midwestern state to legalize recreational marijuana. Missouri and Utah.

2:15:36 legalized medical marijuana. Three Republican states, Utah, Nebraska, and Idaho voted to expand Medicaid, which could cover an additional 325,000 low-income Americans. And Florida restored voting rights to nearly 1.5 million former felons, as long as they were not convicted of sex crimes or murder. Huh. I thought that was actually... I'm actually for that. Yeah, I think if you've paid your dues, yeah, and I think you should then also be, if you're going to let people vote, then you should also let them have a firearm. Now, a couple of things, we did have these initiatives here, we had Proposition C, which is being sued over, it's where Mark Benioff decided as a... Yeah, this is the raise money, the rich people of San Francisco are going to save the homeless. Yeah, of course.

2:16:29 I actually have to say Scott Adams had the best commentary about this when he said, it's not money, it's ideas that are the shortage problem. Yes, I agree. Because they throw money, they've already thrown $300 million at the homeless problem in San Francisco, it's done nothing. Now they're going to double it. Thanks to Mark and they got us to jack up all these guys. It's just rich people virtue signaling amongst themselves getting nothing accomplished nothing accomplished wasting money. It'll all go to people who consider these the homeless as their clients. It never works. It's like Austin. Meanwhile, the two propositions I liked. Yeah, repeal the gas tax. Repeal the gas tax was missold to the public by putting a lot of money behind it because everybody knew all the contractors knew there was, it was just going to be free money. And God, we got to steal more money from the public in California. So Proposition 6 was voted down even though it was misleading.

2:17:28 the way it was presented in the sample ballot. And they had to change it, but somebody got sued over that and they had to change it, but nobody got to change. The other one was Proposition 10, which I thought was, this to me, this was rent control. This reminded me of the Californians not voting marijuana in before Colorado did, like two years earlier, and they just voted no for legalizing marijuana. And why would the Californians do this? Because they're stupid. And in fact, this rent control thing was really wasn't changing rent control. It was taking it out of the hands of the state and giving it to the locals who could put rent control in certain cities where it might actually be needed and it might actually be useful.

2:18:11 Because the huge real estate investment trusts and all the big giant real estate companies that would expect to overbuild in California, these tall buildings and apartments and everything else, know it's a detriment to have rent control local because then it could be, you know, in San Francisco, for example, they could put rent control in and you won't make all this killer money from building these high-rises. You just won't make any money because there's gonna be this fear that they're gonna freeze rents and that the property is not gonna be as valuable as a resale item and they threw a ton of money at this including some woman. So it didn't pass I take it. Yes, it got voted out too. Yeah, but this is because the Californians are dumb. You're dumb. I think they are. They are dumb. I was born and raised here. And what are you doing there?

2:19:03 It's too stupid to leave, apparently. I mean, I love you and all, but... Oh, let me see. Dan found... Oh, someone found it. Found what? Oh, they found your essay? My Last Yard essay, yes. Yeah, well good. We'll put it on... hook it up with curry.com. Yeah, you better believe I will. That's cool, Dan. Thank you very much. Yeah, well, they're just as stupid here in Austin. Of course, it's really Californians here, as we know. By the way, my guy, the build a dome around Austin, give the cops flamethrowers, did get almost 3,000 votes. I'm surprised you got that many in that area. At least you got 3,000 people you know for a fact have a sense of humor. Exactly. Someone's laughing out there. Yes. All right. Different election and then we'll go to our second break. This is a very important election. It's a single candidate.

2:19:53 Where there's a single winner, just one category, and it happens in the EU. It is the EU Word of the Year! Which is a little early, I think, but are you familiar with the EU Word of the Year? Ummm... imprisonment? Britain's Collins Dictionary has chosen single use as its 2018 word of the year. I love that two words hyphenated is word of the year. Marks a rising awareness of the pollution problem in the world's oceans. The EU is planning to ban some throwaway plastics like straws and cutlery. The ban could come into effect by 2021. You know we still have a... Can I comment on this? Yes.

2:20:35 You know, when I was first went to the Soviet, I went to the Soviet Union, not Russia, Soviet Union. Yes, around the same time I did. Late 80s. So I took Aeroflot. Yes. And Aero, and people warned me about Aeroflot. And one of the things they told me is that the first thing you're going to notice besides the fact that... There's holes in the floor. No, no. The first thing was in the plane was too big for that. It was that besides the fact that the stewardesses are all dolled up to an extreme, which was like kind of eye popping, is that all of the plastic cups that they poured, because they poured from big bottles into plastic cups for whatever you want to juice water, orange juice, apple juice.

2:21:21 That they recycle them. They wash them. Wash the plastic cups, sure. And so every plastic cup looks like it had been washed about a hundred times is all beat up. This stuff is not necessarily single-use if you don't want it to be. Good point John C. Dvorak once again. But this but something else is going on John. This it's some it's part of agenda 2030 whatever it is. It started with the damn turtle With the toothbrush in his nose. No, it's his straw. Yeah, the straw up his nose. Now they're showing baby turtles floating in plastic. But there's something up with this and they want to get rid of plastic cutlery.

2:22:07 I mean this is banned plastics, I guess. I mean, I don't know. Someone must have an alternative that is doing well for them with the removal of all the luxuries of modern life. But we haven't figured it out yet. We don't know what it is yet. Well, it's got to be probably right in front of us. And then because of all the things, of all the words used during the year in the European Union, single use, sincerely? That was not the word of the first was two words hyphenated. It's a PR campaign. That's not the one's using. Oh, hello. Hello, neighbor. Hello, Amsterdam neighbor. Single use. Yep. I got my single use. Come on. They're promoting something.

2:22:59 I you're asking the wrong guy. I'm not asking. I'm just wondering if you and what is the alternative to plastic? There's got to be some alternative to plastic that now bags, bags, it's bags and it's a, it's cutlery. I don't know. Well, the plastic, there's too much plastic. I'm not going to argue that I'm not going to take the other side saying it's bad that we're kind of trying to cut back on it. But the worst thing is these little plastic drinking bottles with water in them. I mean those things are horrible. Yeah, I know those are bad. Before you know it we'll have single-use condoms. I mean where's the world coming to? I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

2:33:27 This is no way. No, it wouldn't be as good. I don't think I, you know, there's a lot that's done by the producers. Well, it's a modern show. You have to do, audience is now part of the show in a modern sense. We're not doing some old-fashioned radio show like an NPR thing where you're talking into a mic in a very quiet room and it's dead. Hi, this is the No Agenda Show and there's John C. DeVore. John, what are you learning? I'm learning that there's a lot to be learned. Okay, that's very good. Let's go to another topic here on NPR. So I do have a letter from, this is a good one from Vinny.

2:34:08 the Democracy Now report about 56,000 immigrants missing or killed worldwide over the last four years and an increase in migration of 50% since the turn of the century. I live in Cambodia, recently relocated from Uganda, where my wife works in the development sector. A big accomplishment of hers has been assisting in the support of South Sudan refugees, over a million of which have crossed into Uganda in the last course of last course me of years, I don't know what that quite means, he's got a last number of years, and are living at the Bidi Bidi settlement, the largest refugee camp, yeah, Bidi Bidi, the largest refugee camp in existence. There are mostly women and children and men tend to bring their families to safety and then they cross back over to fight in the war.

2:35:02 So what I see is the opportunity to fold these statistics of women and children refugees along with husbands that cross back into South Sudan to fight and then either die or go missing into the statistics of Mexican migration by throwing in the adjective worldwide. Ah, yes. Good point. Which is basically comparing apples and oranges or apples and bananas. Completely disingenuous of them to do so, of course, and a perfect example of how to lie with statistics. Thank you for your courage, Vinny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. Talk about our producers and there you go. Well, then let me share a note that was forwarded to me by one of our producers who shall remain anonymous in this case from Humboldt University. Where is this Humboldt University? It's in Humboldt, I believe it's in Humboldt County, Mendocino County area. Is that a big deal school? Northern California. Is that an important school, good school? I've heard of it. For a state college, it's one of the better ones.

2:36:05 Well, the faculty received an email. Dear colleagues, all faculty are encouraged to participate in the upcoming two-part whiteness and microaggressions training on Thursday, November 15th. I just have to read this. The whiteness and microaggressions training, the dates were selected with input that more faculty would be available during these times. This four-hour workshop divided into two two-hour segments, this is exciting, will offer an introduction to the concept of whiteness, the significance... Stay with me. Thanks, jeez, I was wondering what it was all about. Stay with me. I'm gonna read it again.

2:36:50 This four-hour workshop divided into two two-hour segments will offer an introduction to the concept of whiteness, the significance of whiteness in our everyday lives, and how whiteness shapes our interactions. The training examines how whiteness affects various systems of advantage and what that looks like in our community. Additionally, it will explore how microaggressions are a manifestation of whiteness. The training will address what microaggressions are, how we can identify them, and how they impact our daily interactions with one another. Finally, the training will examine strategies to confront and avoid committing microaggressions.

2:37:37 We welcome you to participate and join the more than 300 HSU campus and community members that have already participated in these whiteness sessions. Your participation will broaden the circle of shared language and understandings to facilitate change for equity in classrooms, on campus, and in the community. Well, you know, first of all, you'd think it was a hoax. No, it's not. I have the original email forwarded. It's not a hoax. Sent by Julie Tucker, julietucker at humboldt.edu. I would love to take this course. I bet you it's a hoot.

2:38:17 I mean, did you know that microaggressions are a manifestation of whiteness? I didn't know that, but if I took this course, I think I would understand it better. Well, you know, it's on November 15th. I'm not going for that. Don't give me any details. Come on, man. You know how far that is from here? It's like a real hike. You don't care about the show. But it's alright. I'm hurting this show. Let's just stick with whiteness. Let's go to NPR for a moment and talk about the right-wing hate groups. Yes, there's plenty of them. Yes, NPR has figured out where they're coming from. Joan Donovan is with Data & Society, a research institute. For years, she's been tracking white supremacists from platform to platform online. They were really trying to figure out... They're jumping from platform to platform! It's like Frogger!

2:39:12 Yeah, I'm trying to fight. Oh you jumped over there not from the platform online They were really trying to figure out what young men were angry about and how they could leverage that to Bring about broad-based social movement. This is the the hate groups. They're trying to figure where would you recruit young hate men John? Where would you go if you wanted to recruit the hate the hate? Uh, Texas? Now we already got rid of Gab, although they're back. But you know, so we, Gab is white, racist, nationalist, horrible people. Where could it more can be? And first person shooter games, chat rooms and video platforms, she says, are good places to find angry young men. Video games are a hundred billion dollars. I love that.

2:39:57 These are great places to find angry young men. Seriously. I... Oh God. Greg Boyd is a lawyer who represents the game industry for the firm Frankfurt Kernit. He says companies take the problem seriously and remove or ban people when they're flagged by other players. But the scale of the issue is daunting. You're talking about Microsoft, PlayStation and Steam. You're talking about 48 million, 70 million, 130 million.

2:40:34 monthly active players or players that are playing, you know, probably on a weekly basis. I mean, that's the populations of Spain, France and Russia. Imagine, he says, moderating all that chat, text and voice, moment by moment. In literally every language, dialect and sub-dialect spoken in the world. While the industry struggles to contain the threat, experts say it's up to parents to keep an ear out and to step in if they notice something that concerns them. John tried and lately he says his son now 16 seems to have left these ideas behind He's playing fewer online shooter games and on his own. He started attending church Interesting point Rockstar Games is

2:41:21 probably the most aggressive game maker and they could probably recruit a lot of people. But there's this video, there's a lot of these guys, the good, the better players will post some of the action that they achieve on YouTube. And some of this has been taken down, especially this one player whose name eludes me and I'm sorry for that, but he's got segments of Red Dead Redemption 2, which is really the... It's like Grand Theft Auto, which they always... They also make. Always bring that one in, yeah. It's Grand Theft Auto on steroids in the West.

2:41:57 And so there's, so I got, I didn't get to see the one that they took down, but this guy apparently plays a character goes around punching women. And so he's got... That's only white guys do that, by the way. That's all the white football players. No, no, no, not football players. No. So he has one clip that's still up there and it is, there is something funny about it in some sick way. I have to say being a white guy, it does a bunch of aggressions. So the guy is running around and this is so realistic, it's astonishing, but he's running around town and there's some woman suffragette, kind of a fat chick standing there lecturing everybody about the right to vote.

2:42:40 So the player stops in front of her and she's going on and on about The right to vote and he has a couple of snide remarks and she calls him out for being a jerk and he just Sucker punches her and knocks her on her ass BAM and then he goes running off again back into just through the town and This will be taken down for sure. And this is what game now? Oh Red Dead Redemption 2 nice Now I would recommend this game looks like it's hilarious It's really funny. Can you get the black version? So you're like, you know hitting a

2:43:23 hitting white people. I was looking at one review of it. This game is kind of like... It's broken sales records apparently. This thing is huge. It is so deep. It has layers and layers and layers of different things. You could probably be on this game for a year and not even explore half of it. Now, and so basically you run around walloping social justice warriors? Is that the idea? I actually know this well. No the idea is you it's pretty much like a grand theft auto You're giving certain jobs, and you have to go accomplish something to get a key sounds like something I'll be bored with very quickly It's tedious it seems to me. I'm not a big fan of these so true I mean I like to play little bits of them because you can you know punch people or whatever? I see that's that aggression the microaggression your whiteness your white and

2:44:16 But if you really like these complex games that have a lot of detail man this thing looks like us Just a killer. All right. I'll give it a shot. Yeah, I'm a little surprised this It doesn't happen often and I had a jingle for it, which is why I'm bummed you have no ISO for me Oh, what? Oh, the, oh, the, why? What, for Red Dead? No, just any. You have no ISO for the end of the show. You have no ISO. Hmm. Well, I will next show. You're right. I don't have one. I was thinking about it and getting I do have a couple of things we do have to talk about Jeff Sessions getting fired. Well, before we talk about that, I need to just give my final review of the four part series from Al Jazeera, which was quashed and subsequently, I think, aired by RT or at least put on the Internet called the Israeli Lobby, because I watched the whole I watched all it's almost four hours.

2:45:19 The whole thing is about the Israelis versus the BDS. So that's the Boycott, Diversify and... No, Boycott, Divest and... What's the S for? Come on. I don't remember. It's basically the Israelis versus the Palestinians and it's being played out... Boycott, Divest... I don't remember the last one. It's being played out... Sanctioned. Sanctioned, thank you. It's being played out in our schools. So the Israelis through embassies and they have actual recruitment centers, you know, Israeli on campus, the community center, and you've got the social justice for Palestine, the SJPers,

2:46:14 This has to stop, all of it. It's not interesting, it's a very stupid documentary because it pretends that, I'm sure there's an Israeli lobby. What is in this documentary is just dumb. Because the kids on college campuses are being indoctrinated by all sorts of groups all the time. But these two? The Israel and the Palestine, the BDF, so tired get off all campuses both of you get off well I will yes when I was at the University of California was going on they were arguing with each other and you always gathering a crowd it's just never-ending yeah it's old hummus the Muslims make the best hummus I don't know man

2:46:59 Okay, let's get this Jeff Sessions thing out of the way. First I have a weird CBS News opening about Session we might want to play, 26 seconds. Okay. By the way, the good ISO would be Trump and his promises. It's too long. It's 12 seconds. It's too long. Good evening, I'm Jeff Glor. We are going to begin here tonight with a major shakeup in Washington. We are not talking about the election yet. We will talk soon about what happened in the House with Democrats taking control. The president said today he would like to work with them even though they do have newfound power to investigate him. But we are going to start here tonight with the afternoon dismissal of the Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his replacement by a critic of the Mueller investigation.

2:47:49 Now, I've never heard a news opening that has a bunch of excuses for not running the story of the day, which is the elections. He starts off apologizing immediately. He's just short of saying, we've been again manipulated by Trump into not even doing a regular news. Now we're gonna talk about this Sessions thing and we apologize. I've never heard anything like this in my life. Let me hear it again. Good evening, I'm Jeff Glor. We are gonna begin here tonight with a major shakeup in Washington. We are not talking about the election yet.

2:48:24 We will talk soon about what happened in the House with Democrats taking control. The president said today he would like to work with them even though they do have newfound power to investigate him. But we are going to start here tonight with the afternoon dismissal of the attorney. Yeah, they did kind of just throw that into highlights. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I don't think I've, especially with the elections, but you realize that today at five o'clock is the big protect Mueller demonstration in 9,000 cities across America. Gee, that's not organized. But I also said there was one thing I think you should know that I want to tell you about this tonight. This is... here's your organizer. And one thing I want to tell you is that there are groups all across the country who have been preparing for months now for the inevitable day when President Trump would take action to end the Mueller investigation. Today those groups decided... Say what?

2:49:21 He hasn't done anything. That this is it. That this is the break glass in case of emergency moment. For which they have been preparing and organizing for months. My goodness. So they have said it's a go. Tomorrow at 5pm local time all over the country. There are already over 900 protests planned to hashtag protect Mueller. You have been reading for months about these organizing efforts, about what people should do in case of emergency to save Mueller's team, to save its work, to preserve this investigation.

2:49:57 The groups who have been working on this decided today that what happened today with the firing of Jeff Sessions and the installation of this new guy to oversee the Mueller investigation, the groups who have been working on this for months today decided that today is that emergency. So we expect protests all over the country tomorrow, 5 p.m. local time. I just looked online before I got on the set. There are more than 900 of them planned all over the country. Orange man bad. There you go. That should be fun. Protect Muller. Is that tonight or tomorrow? Today. That's today. That's today. Today at five o'clock all over the world are going to be protesting? From Tel Aviv to Paris, Texas. Wow. Yes, protect Muller. Let's see how, let's see how,

2:50:48 how organized it really is. You don't do things like this during the middle of the week. You don't do it after the election. Well, I guess they have... This is the great glass in case of emergency. Yeah, okay, so we have to do I got the rundown I got three different rundowns on sessions But I got the best one is the shortest in fact is well It's not that short, but it's shorter than all the rest of them because they all had to do a homage to this guy But but but is it more enjoyable because it's Jeff Working in broadcast that's right. I got I got I'm a real journalist. I got a pinch one Justice Department employees saluted Attorney General Jeff Sessions as he departed the building hours after resigning.

2:51:34 Earlier, he delivered a letter to the White House, which started bluntly, Dear Mr. President, at your request, I am submitting my resignation. CBS News has learned White House Chief of Staff John Kelly called Sessions this morning to inform him of the president's decision. But at a midday press conference, President Trump did not tip his hand when asked about Sessions by CBS News Major Garrett. And can you give us clarity, sir, on your thinking currently, now after the midterms, about your attorney general and your deputy attorney general? Do they have long-term job security? I'd rather answer that at a little bit different time. We're looking at a lot of different things. Shortly after the press conference, Mr. Trump tweeted the news and said, of Sessions, we wish him well.

2:52:20 It was a dramatic, if not surprising, end for one of the president's earliest campaign supporters. But less than a month after being confirmed as attorney general, Sessions angered the president by recusing himself from overseeing the Russia investigation. Career prosecutors at the Justice Department had advised him to do so because of his contacts with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak during the 2016 campaign. The president has railed against the move ever since, frequently disparaging sessions on Twitter as very weak. Railed is now a word that they use over there? Railed?

2:52:56 That's uh... Well, they can't use lashed out which is being overused by Democracy Now and a few other and the New York Times so they have to come up with something different. Derailed. It's railed against the move ever since frequently disparaging Sessions on Twitter as very weak. Jeff Sessions never took control of the Justice Department and it's a sort of an incredible thing. I'm disappointed in the Attorney General for many reasons. including some of the president's top campaign officials. But now Rosenstein will likely also be sidelined and newly appointed acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker will oversee the investigation. Whitaker, Sessions' chief of staff and a former U.S. attorney from Iowa, has been critical of the Russia probe in the past and has written that it could become a political fishing expedition. In this interview, he spoke about the president's criticism of Sessions.

2:54:01 It's clear the president's trying to put enough pressure on Jeff Sessions so that Jeff does what the president, I believe, would think would just be honorable. Even though Whitaker's thinking appears to be in line with the president's thinking as far as the Russia investigation is concerned, Mr. Trump tweeted today that he will be nominating someone else at a later date. One potential candidate, Lindsey Graham, appeared to suggest today that he will not be interested in the job, saying that he will stay in the Senate. Man, wouldn't that be great if Lindsey Graham got the game? Lindsey Graham would be funny. That'd be fantastic. Have you seen this guy Whitaker? Yeah, he looks like a beast. He's about 6'6". Yeah.

2:54:42 Bald and they and a picture on Twitter somebody pointed this out his picture on the to on his Twitter page is him looks like he's bench-pressing about 650 pounds Giant weights, I mean this guy he is like it I don't know why where they found him, but he is some tough customer looking guy man. Oh Anyway, so well, okay. What's the play? What's your takeaway? I think it's just that this nothing. This is not to play This is just it's got obviously gonna draw these people out of the woodwork. I think this I don't think I think they may

2:55:21 Just pull them. I think the I think I think I think tell me what you really are trying to say Perhaps they're gonna maybe cut the budget on the on the probe because it's wasting a lot of money And I don't see that's getting anywhere. I mean how long does it take to prove this well Trump has been very clear And he said this multiple times He said I could fire everybody, but I won't do it because politically it's the wrong thing to do he's letting it play out Yeah, so he's pretty sure of himself Yeah, well, I think a lot of it's gonna depend on the text thing. I do have a Jeff Glor clip because I want to comment on him a little bit. He's the CBS anchor took over from Anthony Mason. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. That's glory. Looks like a 12 year old. There's a kid. It's the last one you get John. We're running long.

2:56:05 Really? Because we had a... Yeah, we're long. Okay, this is the last one. The only reason I clipped this because I heard him, he uses a double mic lav and when you see him, if you just listen to his voice and you see him in a group when he's talking, he's got the big voice. He's like a little guy with a big voice. He's got a beautiful voice. I caught him trying to talk about something and I think it was kind of off the record or off the cuff, I mean. And he does say um a lot. More than he should. Anyway, you can hear it. Yeah, it started off with a good um right there. I like it. Um, um, um, um, um, so the product reached out last night also reached out today. Then we saw what Nancy Pelosi had to say. Um, um, um, um, um, um, is there any chance something gets done here in the next couple of years? I'm highly skeptical. I think the president doesn't fully appreciate how intrusive these investigations are going to be.

2:57:06 There's a number of committees that have oversight, the subpoena powers they have to subpoena documents, to subpoena any official in the administration they want. They're going to start going into the bowels of a range of different agencies. And when he says there'll be a little investigating, we'll do some, they'll do some, this is highly intrusive. The base of the Democratic Party wants this. And I think he has like one speed, which is war footing. If you're at war with me, I'm at war with you. And he's not gonna be interested in cooperating with them on anything else. Go ahead. I think that Dan's absolutely right. You always have to assume that Congress won't get something done. But Democrats are arguing they can walk and chew gum. They say Republicans had no trouble investigating the Obama administration and still trying to work with President Obama to, let's say, cut government spending. And they say that they can do the same thing and that these presidential threats are empty threats.

2:57:53 They say he needs to show a record of accomplishment two years from now, so he's going to be compelled to work with them. He is, Dan, in a more advantageous position, at least with the increased pickup in the Senate now, though. Yeah, he's got a broader conference. He's got more Republicans in this conference. And the Republicans that replaced sitting Republicans are more Trumpy. Right? Marshall Blackburn is a stronger Trump sympathizer than Bob Corker. So he's got a stronger conference. Meaning he has to worry less about Susan Collins, potentially Lisa Murkowski on issues like Kavanaugh, whatever else it is. Particularly he's going to have a potentially a fight, a combative confirmation process for a new Attorney General. And he now has more of a cushion with more Republicans and more Republicans that are sympathetic to him. That helps him with all judicial nominations. Okay. Nancy Cordes, Dan Sino, thanks for your leadership. My eyes glazed over.

2:58:38 the pain? What were they talking about? I think they were telling us that we've got a great show coming up because of all the conflict that's going to go on, the crazy investigations, Maxine Waters, and all these other guys. This is going to be the greatest era of the No Agenda Show is what they were discussing. I think you are spot on. Without mentioning the show, unfortunately. But you know they were thinking it. My God, this is going to be great for the No Agenda Show. Oh my goodness. Well, everybody, there you go. Now you know how it all sticks together, what's happening. You can find a lot of this information in our show notes. Go to nashownotes.com. That's the main page. It's where you really want to go for everything. Your entire archive as well. And a reminder that we will come back on Sunday with another episode of the No Agenda Show to deconstruct what's happened in the meantime.

2:59:37 I know I'm going straight from the podcast closet to the C-spans and the other networks, so we'll have everything for you. Coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state, here in FEMA Region No. 6 in the 5x9 Cluedio in the Common Law condo. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday right here on NO Agenda. Remember us at dvorak.org slash NA. Until then, adios! Mofos? He starts to stutter. Is this group of folks? Is Eric Holder? Yeah, I know they all look alike. No, I was paid... I was... I... I... Mark Zuckerberg. Okay. Ramrodding. Ramrodding.

3:00:48 Because Senator Warren, I don't look for every opportunity to try to grandstand you. Now I don't want to call you responding to the mayor of Somerville making a pretty negative statement. Or, like President Obama, trying to do a little bit of Trump-y-us. It's this group, it's this group, it's this, it's this, it's this group of fags. I keep trying to go not too deep, not too deep, with my eyes, and my eyes, and my eyes. Should we keep this going for a little while? Yes. There's a lot to talk about. There was no anything I didn't do. It's a problem that I don't like even a little bit. Okay, please go ahead. No. Go ahead. Go ahead. Please. Okay, please go ahead. No. Go ahead. Please go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. Go ahead, Mr. President. Go ahead, please. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, please. Go ahead, take the... Go ahead.

3:01:51 Go ahead. When you get bored, would you please tell me? Seriously. Tell me. Go ahead, ma'am. Go ahead. Mr. President, I'm from Brooklyn, so you'll understand me. Okay, please, go ahead. No. Go ahead. Please, go ahead. Some say that you could stop all this by declassifying- I could. I could fire everybody right now. I didn't call you. I didn't call you. I didn't call you. I don't want to overstay, but please go ahead. I mean, I'm extraordinarily happy. And if I wasn't, I'd let you know. There's nothing wrong. I mean, look, I only had me. I didn't have anybody else. You spent the whole 30 years with him. It's been a long time. No collusion. I don't know who Little John is. I come in here as a nice person. I feel very fine.

3:02:30 I am extraordinarily happy, I really am. And by the way, I'd tell you if I wasn't. That's enough. That's enough. That's enough. That's enough. Pardon me, ma'am, I'm coming. That's enough. Turkey. It's very difficult to stay sane. I mean, I smoke a lot of weed and I do this show, so like, I'm good. Christina Curry, Tina the Keeper, Mimi, Jay, The Adorable, The Shill, and the whole Curry-Dvorak knowage in the family. Stop the hammering!