2:32:53 If you can stomach it, the whole show is worth watching. David Korn was on promoting his book and we could just play that... Didn't he lose his job because he was like a sexual predator? Oh! Harolded! I'm not gonna play clips from him but some woman wrote a cookbook who's completely unhinged It was a great episode if your into that kind of stuff which is what we do Kara Swisher was also on. Kara is, of course the Recode founder and
2:33:29 She co-founder, but she also is now you know she's expanded her own brand and writes op eds for the New York Times or maybe even journalistic pieces I think as well. She appears everywhere and with the you know the big face bag scandal she's been on MSNBC a lot talking about about her own articles of course and she came on to talk about Facebag and Zuckerberg specifically And, you know I think it's...I can't wait to hear your opinion of some of the things she is saying here. We do have to note that when it comes to Silicon Valley she may have a bone of contention or a bone to pick because she was married
2:34:16 former top Googler, what was her name? Megan Smith. Yeah who is also the CIO of the United States of America under the Obama administration and they divorced so you know she may have a little... I'm just putting that into context i don't know but they might have she might have a bit of a beef like ah screw Google! But, she comes on as the second special guest. You know she sits next to Mara when the panel's on Oh right right that's the one who comes out last Yes and this is about The Purge and about what Facebag is doing And I thought it was very enlightening to hear all of this from her You know you need ID to buy groceries? Yes we do We know that
2:34:59 Why don't you need ID to prove who you really are on Facebook or Twitter? Because it wouldn't make them so many billions of dollars, I guess. It's a really problematic... That is the only reason. That is the only reason. This has been built from the beginning to operate in the way that does which was growth at all costs and also take away your data privacy from you and that what it does So there is no way we can shame them into doing the right thing Well, they're under attack the country's under attack. Yeah this is the modern way of warfare It's not artillery anymore from Russia I wrote a column in The Times talking about this idea values and standards and the fact that they had to get some They had to have them but for what I thought was I did a podcast just recently with Mark Zuckerberg And one of the things when we talked about it Was the was the idea of what was going on? And whether he had responsibility for the platform A lot of these people don't feel like they have responsibility He doesn't well
2:35:55 It's a weird thing. They do now, if you notice when he was in Congress he said we have a broader responsibility and my question when he was saying that to all those various politicians was why didn't they have it in the first place? Why didn't they start by building these things so that they would be...that they would evolve pace with humanities and what I realized when i was talking to him was that he didn't take humanities in college because he didn't finish college instead became a billionaire so they don't have a great sense of the impact of the things they built. Well also, I think we've romanticized nerds
2:36:31 We have you know back when I was in college nerd was a bad word right and then it became though this cute thing Right, you know hot girls like to say. I'm a nerd no you're not You know, and nerds... it's not really always a good thing. I mean Mark Zuckerberg? I'm sorry but that is a real nerd he looks awful, his clothes... Listen to everyone laughing about someone's appearance which wisher calls him out on? His clothes are terrible, he's awkward Bill Gates looks like Cary Grant Really? Right. You know, and that's not bad I'm just saying he's on this spectrum of dweebiness that i don't think Alright now... Hey now Bill! What? You shouldn't insult his looks you can insult his entire service in the way it's ruined democracy but please don't insult his looks
2:37:21 He's not watching. That's my thing, they're not watching you know... I know he was going to say they plug him in at night and he is in the closet. No but I'm just saying when people are nerds that's what part of nerdyness is You have trouble relating to humanity and I don't think they very often have a great sense of humor Yeah it's called an EQ They don't have an EQ What I think it is, is that they don't...I try to talk to them in the language they talk too. So I often try and use like Marvel comics and various things like that. This is a takedown man! Geez this is insulting! Just for the left to be doing this its just shameful Oh and it gets worse This idea which actually a Voltaire quote but I dont bring that into discussion with them Because their too stupid Which is with great power comes great responsibility which was Peter Parkers uncle
2:38:11 I said, you have abrogated your responsibility. I didn't even know that! I didn't either! What is Spider-Man? You mean? Yeah, she's the one that seems like more of the comic nerd. I didn't know it either but they're so stupid i don't tell them its Voltaire, I say what Spiderman would say now do you understand me Zocco? With great power comes great responsibility which is Peter Parker's uncle and so he keeps saying to them, I said you have abrogated your responsibility when you built these things in a way you build them made them so they would operate this way and so when you think about
2:38:48 These sites were not hacked by the Russians. They were used exactly as they were built, right? There was no hacking going on and the Russians walked right in and did them Yes! And they spent a whole hundred thousand dollars Thank you for making my point though I appreciate that Now let's talk about the hearings on The Hill But companies never just do the right thing because you ask them You have to find them you have to threaten them Well thats the question You have to regulate them Did you watch those hearings there is more coming up but did you watch it how'd you think Mark did Well, you don't make me talk about Mark Zuckerberg again. No but I mean all of them they're all coming there what happens is it's an incredibly low bar because politicians are absolutely brain dead when it comes to tech essentially and so what they do is they ask questions during that particular hearing it was about terms of service It was as if terms of service were the biggest national security crisis of our time like that You can't read them that they're super confusing didn't Facebook start out as something very sexist wasn't it?
2:39:45 I'm getting the movie don't go with the movie. It wasn't it wasn't something, but they were just raiding the women Yes, it was a hot or not kind of thing yeah well That's horrible give that wasn't what Facebook was then that was his first thing We do want to be judged by our first things bill Is she referring to him saying the 9-11 terrorists were not cowards? Oh, maybe. That's pretty interesting you'd catch that. That's the first thing that sprang to mind? I don't think so because...I don't think she thinks that way but maybe it's possible Facebook was then and that was his first thing we don't want to be judged by our first things Bill. What was my first? Just me! I'm talking about me! Last clip and this is where she really just
2:40:37 God just tears them all apart. The thing you have to think about is when you think about responsibility, they don't think there's consequences so they don't think about the consequences of what they created and what they invented and one of Facebooks biggest things that were on the walls if you go to Facebook headquarters first of all these headquarters are built as if their for 12 year old boys essentially all kinds of slides and things like that and one time they asked me to go down this slide I'm not going down your fucking slide I didn't like it when i was 8 years old, so im not gonna like it now. But they have on the wall this thing that said move fast and break things. I think you've all seen that its the move fast...and they were all excited about move fast and break things And when you think about it well youve broken alot of things now what are you going to fix? but their mentality was that. Break Things
2:41:29 broke democracy but okay. Yeah, I mean they're part of it i mean the whole all the things we were talking about before with Donald Trump is doing these are part of that but what social media does is it amplifies and what I said in The Times was that it weaponizes everything. It weaponizes the First Amendment, it weaponizes social media, it weaponizes social discourse and it creates a discord and it weaponizes discord and that's that's the problem and that's where the Russians take advantage Weaponize I would like to go back and if you could play it go back when she says it weaponizes socially She's talking about social media weaponizes what? Wait, wait. Oh sorry What I'm looking for is what is she referring to when she says it's I think social media
2:42:19 But that, I think she says it weaponizes social media. Oh well let's listen again. Was that right? Maybe back a little bit just to make sure. Fast and break things i think you've all seen that. Move fast and break things? We're all excited about move fast and break things. And when you think about it you go well you've broken a lot of things now what are you going to fix but their mentality was that right break things break things yeah so they broke democracy but okay. Yeah, no they didn't I mean they're part of it i mean the whole all the things we were talking about before with Donald Trump is doing these are part of that but what social media does is it amplifies and what I said in The Times was that it weaponizes everything it weaponizes the first amendment it weaponizes- You're saying...I think she's saying a social media weaponizes
2:43:03 I'm getting that too, and that's what she said where the structure is. But how does social media do anything? It just a neutral... it's not like a thing that can weaponize anything! It just exists. Social media exists in a vacuum. It doesn't have... itself does not take action. No it doesn't but it amplifies action Maybe she can say the existence of social media invites invites the weaponization of it itself. The way she says it makes it sound like you bring a rubber band and when you're on social media, it's a bazooka I don't like this analogy that she is doing. I can't help ya! But that is Kara Swisher one of the most influential tech writers of our time
2:43:57 Yeah she's never really know that work with her before she doesn't she's not more of a social commentator she doesn't really generally know that much about tech and technically i mean is people doing something don't some people like. Myself, I come from a hobbyist background so into the nuts and bolts and the chips. Because if you're going to blame anyone, you blame the chips it seems to me if your argument is logical extreme. Intel is responsible because with no chips none of this would happen. That's right they weaponized information but she's a commentator and when she says move
2:44:39 ridicules move fast and break things. That is really kind of a techie thing where you want to do a lot of coding, make things so they break and so you can fix them it's just part of the process. What she should be talking about is that Facebook employs an actual army of social psychologists who entire job is to make sure you get outraged There's a lot of things she could talk about, but she doesn't. She just kind of feeds into what Bill Maher wants her to talk about. But remember that's dimension B! It's just an outrage over what? Yeah precisely The Russians and their hundred thousand dollar ad buy Well you know the Russian bots are still at work they never went away
2:45:23 Yeah, those Russian bots. Oh yes so hard to figure out which ones are the Russian bot Yes apparently the Russian bots used Molly Tibbetts death to distract from Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort news stories The Russians are still helping Trump. It's in The Independent it says it right there black and white must be true Must be true yeah Russian bots talk about weaponizing some fucking tragedy Just by saying that alone, just a horrible, horrible publication. Terrible! Yeah really not good Well I like the way they both stereotype nerds and tech people That was good, that's nothing to... Stereotyping is a really great idea And i'm glad to see you guys doing it We've always been for the dudes named Ben and this is exactly why because we know what they're really doing