No Agenda 001

00:01 Welcome everybody to a brand new program on the pod show network Which could be titled a number of things we chose no agenda? But it could be the show with no imaging no no No content yet. The only thing it is is two guys with an idea of putting together a what we call it John a Agenda list show agenda list show exactly John C. Dvorak in California Adam Curry here in London something we cooked up Was it in like a four minute phone call? Hey, we should do a show together. Okay? Let's call it no agenda. Okay, and here we are Well, of course the basis for a show like this and I think everybody out there who's ever had a connect who has conversations with friends

00:48 They occasionally especially when the conversations go on and on say you know that would have been an interesting thing for other people to listen to true true and and I think basically And I've in fact actually thought I'm doing a show with my wife because sometimes she does a news analysis over the phone sometimes It's pretty pretty astonishing. Have you ever heard the shows I do with Patricia with my wife I? Yeah, same kind of thing. It's great right? We just have a conversation. Yeah, right I think you know to some extent Don and Drew and so almost everybody who'd you know like to chat. Yep pretty much provides this kind of entertainment

01:26 So you know this week well anyway, we're starting out. We do we're running on Skype for anybody out there So and Adam being in London is gonna probably gonna. We're gonna step on each other once in a while, but this week Adam did a thing An interview with the senator or there's a guess is a congressman. Yeah, where's he from Texas the Texas congressman Ron Paul Republican, Texas Congressman Ron Paul yeah, yeah, so what did you think well I? So, first of all, it was kind of interesting that I got this thing together in like a week and I didn't really have to do anything. I just said on the show I want to talk to this guy and it happened. That to me was a big oh wow. And I don't know what it says about him, his campaign, or my show, or podcasting, or whatever, alternative media in general, but I thought that was cool just as it is.

02:20 Was he on Skype? No, he was on a landline. I did it on Skype though. Did you not like the quality? No, I was thinking he was on Skype and I'm going to myself or thinking to myself, huh. That's pretty weird if a guy's on Skype and he's, you know, I just don't see congressmen as being that savvy about anything. Yeah, and I asked him a couple questions, you know, about net neutrality and some other internet related things and it's kind of hard to gauge how savvy he is. First of all, he's a very smart guy in general, I mean, and very, very, he's a good communicator, knows how to

03:01 how to be an interviewee. I loved it when he, you know, you could hear his aide, it was probably Jesse, you know, whispering something in his ear, which actually wasn't a whisper because I heard it quite clearly, and then, you know, and then Ron Paul goes, let me just suggest something else to you. I have a couple more minutes. I'm like, oh, fuck. All right, let me get this folder scruncher in there real quick. Well, that's a shame that people have to do that all the time now. So anyway, I made notes on the I listened to the the interview and I made a bunch of notes Okay, and I'm gonna go over a few of them with you cool One is your here you insisted on calling him. Dr. Ron has though. He's like a disc jockey

03:48 That was highly funny. Well. I'm glad you like that because I I like giving people names You know cuz you know we've got comic strip blogger. We've got prolific programmer and dr. Ron in fact all medical doctors who I who I meet I called dr. Ron or doctor at least if they not if they're Pete I call him dr. Pete, but I'm glad you like that he didn't seem to mind well you know he told you to call the wrong but you said i'm gonna go i think all your doctor on and he said i have whatever but doesn't sound much better you know doctor on it it has a it's a it's a german thing actually uh... if you are a professor of lawyers doctor and you're not that that's why i wanted to since people are going to be a figure sir listening to show them as a realize a couple of things here one of them is that that i'm an american and adam is

04:38 Technically an American, but he is a European and so one of the reasons we want to do this show is so we can kind of bring some cultural togetherness I'm a world citizen John not just a European. You're what a world citizen. Yeah world says that's what that's what guys like you like to call yourself. Yes Go to go to China and use that see how far okay, so when they when they arrest you that is oh So, anyway, I got the biggest kick out of this doctor on you and you ran it through the whole show.

05:14 Brought his name. He's always dr. Right. Well, yeah, but but that's logical because I need you know, cuz If and I watched a lot of interviews and a lot of things he's done and and people are always addressed You know, everyone has a way to address someone in in the media landscape, right? And so with him it's like dr. Ron Paul Congressman Paul, you know the whole Ron Paul like two first names is kind of weird to start with so I I just felt it would be easier if I just called him Dr. Ron because then I knew I wouldn't be stumbling over Congressman Paul, you know. Right, right, right. Yeah, the two first names thing. It's like a Hollywood name from the 30s. So anyway, then the other thing I wrote down on this little notepad of mine was,

05:58 People should go back there and listen to this interview again because Adam, I think he spends about four and a half hours kissing the guy's ass and chatting before he even lets Paul speak one word. Yeah, you know people mention that to me and and I'm like and I bet they did but you know It's like here's what I didn't do. I didn't interrupt the guy continuously All I wanted was to just hear what he had to say We had agreed that you know, I would just you know, and that's what I wanted, you know, it's like, okay I'm gonna throw something at you talk about it until you stop talking So I figured I get on my talking up front. I was very sincere by the way about about what I said at the beginning So and yeah, I meant that

06:41 And also, this guy, and it was very clear at the end, he doesn't know what my show is about, he doesn't know who I am. So I gotta give the guy a little bit of background, right? Because you just can't count on anyone else to do that. That's why I did it. Okay, well here's what I'm gonna read from my notepad if you want to know what what I wrote down as this was going on all right long ass kissing moment And then the next line is when does Paul actually talk? It was only two minutes well two minutes you know could be well. I'm sorry I could have gotten your question in

07:23 So anyway, by the way, you got my questions in. Now the thing that I admire about this interview, and you're probably not aware of the fact that this was an amazing thing that you did, only because nobody ever does it, And it's kind of, on the one hand, it's like, you know, kind of a grammar school question. On the other hand, it's like a question that's never asked enough. And it's interesting to have somebody from his position explain it. And that's when you ask the question, like, insofar as Paul's concerned, or what is he, or you had Paul explain what's the difference between a democracy and a republic. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I thought that was an educational moment.

08:08 I didn't like the way he explained it actually. Did you think he did a good job on that? Yeah, he was correct, but I was really looking for an even simpler answer Quite honestly or a short. I don't know it to me. It's like okay. Yeah, you explained it, but People who don't understand even the fact that America is a republic I don't think it hit the mark entirely But that is exactly what I intended to do John if I want to debate the guy I mean that's easy I can debate the guy all day long. I think that is What people are saying? Oh, well, it was a good interview, you know, I learned a lot but wasn't really explosive You know, that's exactly what mainstream media tries to do is tries to pull someone out, you know Catch him on his words get him to say something stupid and then you know make it a headline I just wanted to hear the guy talk. Yeah. No, I actually thought that was a great a great movie It was something I've never seen anybody do so that was good. No, there was a bring back troops thing and

09:07 There was a Cassius Clay anecdote. Oh, no, the armed militia. This was interesting to me, because it brought... The Cassius Clay thing is my notes. Paul was talking about how Americans by right are supposed to be armed to the teeth for whatever reason. And it reminded me of an anecdote that was interesting. When because when people bring up gun control and things like that, and I'm not a gun control advocate or non-advocate I have to say I do like shooting guns and I'd like I have a lot of friends that have collections and we'll go out to a Range and shoot. Yeah, man turn John doesn't it John? No, it doesn't actually doesn't turn me on but it's a lot of fun. Okay anyway, so I'm not like an arsonist anyway

09:57 so i visited the uh... the mansion or the former mention of the uh... at the bell or the civil war uh... this was a uh... a state officer caches clay who was a henry clays i think his brother and cash is clay at this place out and outside of the uh... i think it's not settled lexington kentucky people are gonna start writing do you don't know anything but i think it's in the house for the fixing to so i went in there and cash is clay is is very famous get senator and he uh... uh... one time ethic canon apparently and he was an abolitionist which was not popular in the area and so they tried to like fuck with him uh... and the locals and so then the including the sheriff and and and and local police and he had a cannon in front of his house that he'd fill with uh... shrapnel and when they came to use you know what you did get him or a rest of our harassment whatever they're gonna do he'd shoot it adam

11:00 which was his uh... second amendment right to be exercised exactly and you know eventually they stopped coming over and uh... he needed to do that otherwise you know that things would it we were gonna happen to him no thanks to the local authorities and uh... i've always thought that was like you know people more mona grown about assault weapons holder rest sky has like a cannon that he's shooting at it so so i'm always thinking back on that like uh... what would happen if you didn't have the canon so i think there's lots of modern day and now analogies to that story who but none that i can think of but yeah but they probably are uh... now by the way that the funny story about the about the caches clay uh...

11:45 House you know in Cassius Clay of course is who Muhammad Ali yeah named himself after right? No, no he named himself Muhammad Ali. He was born Cassius born Cassius Clay. Okay, because most of the Lot of well, you know as a lot of famous blacks were named after famous whites or I mean I'm sorry a lot of black slaves were named after famous or whites and became tradition in the black community to name people after famous people and so cash is clay was named after this guy now the kicker and anybody who happens to be in the area of lexington should go check out this this is actually a very interesting place because for one thing there's a uh... a bunch of of little like busts that showed for example his sister's uh... close and that these some of these people at during that era in the eighteenth fifties

12:39 If there were four seven it was a miracle especially the women they weren't getting a lot of vitamin B mm-hmm and his his wife was obviously a she was a nice wife I'm sorry I think was a sister this has been years ago when I was over there his sister was and I should obviously read something before I do these interviews or these just show with you I ruined the spontaneity Yeah, right. I'm waiting for the ETA on this point you're about to make I'm getting there. So anyway, it's a long road Anyway, so his sis his sister was a woman, you know activist when you start to see the pictures of her and all her friends you could tell she was kind of a

13:24 she was a lesbian. It was kind of amusing. But anyway, the story I'm trying to get to, but she was like four foot two or something. They had a thing of where the close she was. She couldn't have been bigger than a 12 year old. I bet she had a huge ass cannon. She might have. Anyway, so I'm looking around this house and there is a newspaper article about a famous African who came to visit Kentucky and he visited the house and he met with Cassius Clay. His name was Muhammad Ali Wow Yeah, that's what I thought and so I said wow that's cool And I'm now I'm thinking that like Cassius Clay himself the boxer may you know because he'd He'd heard the story and he named himself Muhammad Ali. He may have actually visited this museum That's a cool name because there's a weird connection there that I just never been explained to me. That's the story Oh, John. I am so happy you told me that story and

14:24 Well, the funny thing about that, anyway, your interview triggered my thoughts on that story. Okay. So that was the Second Amendment question, which I actually felt he answered really well and responded kind of the way I'd expected when I said, well, you know, do we have to defend ourselves from internal dangers yet? And he's like, well, that's what I'm trying to avoid. Yeah, I noticed that yeah, he's He's like an inch away from thinking it might be something we have to think about but we don't have cannons anymore No, they've been taken away and by the way. I have stuff. That's pretty pretty powerful mojo. Yeah, yeah I got a Japanese machine gun I've no I've no no bullets, but I got the machine gun It's got a bayonet on it

15:22 It's a machine gun with a bayonet. Yeah, it's really weird. It's not just a stationary machine And it's like the one you carry around like a yeah, I'm a gun yeah You have a tripod it kind of folds out the there's a tripod on the front And then there's a like a stick thing in the back, and it's a belt fed system My grandfather took out a machine nest in the South Pacific and brought it home in pieces Huh yeah So anyway, he went... that was fascinating. So, then you got him into the thoughtful pregnancy story. Wow, yeah. That was interesting. I thought that was quite good. Well, so my takeaway from that was that

16:02 Yes, so with right comes responsibility. I guess is what he's saying and even the unborn fetus has a right to life So you have no right to remove that even though you have the remote the the right to Put into or remove anything you want from your body, but not if you kill and what he's saying is another human being therefore You need to respect your responsibility for having sex, which I thought was okay. Some kind of point is made there. But then he kind of gave an out, which I thought was interesting by saying, well, you know, if you can't prove a crime was committed, i.e., if you terminate a pregnancy,

16:42 I don't know, like first clienster or whatever. If you can't prove it, then you can't prove it. So that was kind of his out, which was weird. It seemed to me like he was talking a lot about late term pregnancy. And you know what? And I'm sure this goes deep into the whole Roe versus Wade. My head hurts just thinking about it. I don't know if we can actually resolve this. well you know i think i thought it was interesting because he didn't take it from a religious perspective even though he is very religious yeah i want me is obviously re re-engineered is thinking but this but i've never heard anyone actually i don't know why uh... maybe i'm not listening which is possible i don't know anyone who's actually did took it from a constitutional perspective that this you know person which may exist at some point

17:26 has constitutional rights, it's got nothing to do with religion, and if we're going to be strict constitutionalists, we have to give them their rights even though they're inside some woman. Right, well that was what I asked him to do of course, talk about each issue and take it down to the Constitution, which is what he's running on, that's it. You know what John I don't see anyone. I look I look at these debates. I don't see anyone challenging him what he said He says some pretty radical and opposing things to you know in the GOP debate But no one ever calls him on it. He just says these amazing things and And draws it right down to the Constitution everyone's like okay might as well shut up because you can't argue it and

18:09 Yeah, I think they've all they're doing their best to marginalize the guy. They don't get exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what's happening I agree now the other one that was interesting which we talked about before you had the interview which was the Ralph Nader That was your idea. You heard I got it in there, right? Yeah, and he avoided it Claiming that it had nothing to do with it. Well. He said no he said I wrote it down uh... i don't know it's for personal reasons is what he said and they said you know it would just be too much too much energy i've tried it before it won't work you know he says if i'm not running republican i can even get into these types of debates it sounded at and i i i even said like you know this is seventy two-year-old guy you know he knows that running as an independent unless you have i don't think he actually locked it out but unless you have some kind of incredible groundswell which is just unbelievable you know i i'm sure you could be convinced

19:03 if it was very clear that he actually had a shot at winning as an independent. Yeah, he's done the homework. He knows that in the past, the closest thing that's ever come is Teddy Roosevelt ran under the Bull Moose party. Not really a great name for a party. uh... and of course uh... we had in ralph nader more recently and then uh... ross perot had a shot ross kind of drove himself out of the election because he felt that you know somebody he claims that somebody came up knocked on his door and show them photos or something it eighty-two cds is weird story that he's never really and then uh... that you had to remember he was like you know i gotta protect my family in my privacy and uh... wasn't that it didn't

19:50 Yeah, there was something somebody knocked on the door Yeah, and it sounds like a government agency that said look get out of this thing because here's what's gonna happen If you don't yeah, they threatened him yeah somebody which you know may or may not be true It's possible. It could have been a bluff could have been any number of things but Well either way he didn't deserve to be president because if you're gonna pussy out because of that then I'm sorry You know that's a that's the job that you you know you you can be killed if you have that job No doubt about it. You got to know that going in so and if he copped out Yeah, if he copped out by actually I was gonna ask him that I fucking I didn't get to it I wanted to ask him if he feared for his life and

20:30 You know because he has such opposing and sometimes viewed as you know that radical viewpoint or people see that as radical or you know and if he actually catches the worst thing of course is you know the shits working so I was going to ask him if he was worried you know about his own personal safety as you know he's basically gaining traction and you know could obscure other people from from all the attention. That would have been a good question. Sorry. i think everybody out there should uh... what's okay and i don't think he's got that much traction i think uh... people out there should be if you want to read something interesting especially the european audience uh... breed confessions of an economic hitman a yes uh... kind of an interesting uh... tail we don't know whether how much of it's true or not but it has uh... a lot of uh... so many elements of truth that is a very interesting book to say the least social available on tape

21:30 Anyway, but yeah overall. I thought you did a great job. It was it was a fascinating interview I've never heard anyone do a really long interview with the guy like that well you never do and and or you'll hear I mean man if you ever listen to like Newsweek online or there's so many of these these radio news programs new NPR type stuff and what I hear all the time and it really bugs the hell out of me because it you know once you tune into it and you you know you're Unconditioned your mind What you hear is they did a really you know a producer did a really long interview with someone and then they'll chop it into bits And then they'll have the host ask questions. You know it'll sound like well. Let me ask you about the Second Amendment dr. Ron Paul What is your viewpoint on this and then you can clearly hear the answer from a conversation being cut in you know you then never step on each other and you know sometimes you can almost hear the edits and

22:22 And I despise that because you know you can look it's like reality television you could build a story and and put in answers any way you want so this was completely unedited from beginning to get into to end um and I yeah well I'm glad you liked it because if only we could get this type of of uh conversation or information or just impression from all of the candidates that would be really nice but the media In general just doesn't make it that way anymore You know another thing you mentioned when you talk about that kind of thing is the is the pre-interview Which is what a lot of people like to do I and you and I I know for I know you don't like him I don't like him. I've always thought that they were a bad idea which is in other words you get the person on and

23:09 You you interview them before they actually do the show and they talk themselves out. Yeah, exactly exactly and and particularly and this is what I hate the most is if you have a funny moment in the pre-interview and you're laughing and then you try to recreate that by asking the same question and it's just not funny the timing's not right it's blown yeah it never works it never ever in fact before we started this you called me on Skype and you wanted and you said hey you know what and I said no don't tell me I don't want to hear it what was it by the way you want to tell me I forgot. By the way, if I had told you, I would have thought... See, the problem is that people don't get out there when they, you know, immediate people. And when you do a lot of interviews with other hosts and people, you have, there are the two schools of thought. In fact, Larry King has one of the more interesting schools of thought, although now he's basically a celebrity interviewer. But when I used to do his radio show, I did it three or four times,

24:04 And the first time he'd come on his show, and I kind of admired some of his techniques, even though some people would say, well that's just being lazy. Maybe to some extent, but one of the things is when he, the first time he'd do a Larry King show, at least it used to be on the radio, Larry didn't want to meet you, he didn't want to talk to you, he didn't want to read your book. And the reason was, for not wanting to read the book or even seeing a copy, was he figured nobody out there in the audience read the book, so let's start talking about it as though you're some guy who just met on the street. So let's start from square zero. I always thought that was actually a pretty interesting technique. And then the other thing with it, and I've been on shows where they want to pre-interview you and they ask you every question they're going to ask. Half the time it never ends up on the show anyway. And then when you've asked it, there's a real problem people don't realize is that when you've just talked about something,

25:00 and you're in a complicated interview situation, you're not absolutely sure that you just told the guy that, and you don't want to repeat yourself. But in fact, you told him in the pre-interview. Yeah, you see that on the Tonight Show all the time. Jay Leno, man, that guy, he forgets Yes, if you ever get stuck you know in in an interview process say now wasn't there like a really interesting story about your dog or something that I heard about you know it's like fuck you that was written on your piece of paper and the the the producer said Hey, she's got a really cool story about her dog. You gotta ask it. Yeah. No. It's really lame. Yeah, I

25:39 I mean, I know that they have to pre-interview. Both Letterman and Leno have to do a lot of pre-interviews with the guests because they have a lot of actors and people on these shows that really have no personalities. And many times they don't know whether they're going to be good or not on the show. So they usually beat them up in the pre-interview. And then they, unfortunately, when the real interview comes out, unless the person's got a lot of personality, they're talked out already. And you see numerous people that you've never seen before. You've always wanted to see them, and you realize, well, they never get on talk shows. It's because they haven't got anything to say. Yeah, well, when this interview got set up and I spoke to the communications director, I said, you know, please, you really have got to let Dr. Ron

26:26 Listen to my show at least some of it just so you understand. You know it's gonna be really different I want them to you know I don't want them to be unprepared and particularly because you know there's a lot of fuck yous in there like that'd be funny and And he said, yeah, no, no, but I'll be on the plane with him and I'll put it on my iPod and I'll put the headphones on so he can listen to it. And I said, okay, look, there's only one thing I guarantee you I'm going to ask. And I really, it would be, it's cool, you know, this is part of, part of the culture of my show and my audience is the scruncher folder thing. And I, and I set it up and he said, oh yeah, that's funny. I'll certainly tell him about it. We clearly hadn't told the guy, you know, I was like, come on.

27:01 And I'm like maybe I can get some information out of you know as a medical doctor Can you tell me is it better to fold or scrunch and mr. Constitutionalist comes back with you know, it's your body Do whatever you want with it. All right That's an answer. That's what I'm gonna use for an answer. Somebody brings it up. I'm sure he's a scruncher I know it I know it for sure. You can just see it. You see it in his face. I All right, you have anything more in the Ron Paul thing cuz I got one thing for you. Okay. Go. I know I'm done Yeah, okay good. I I read something on your blog Hold on. Let me just find it. It was about Thought crimes oh yeah, yeah, and that unbelievable Yeah, you just got it. You just got to tell that story because that blew me away when I read that well There's a bill. I think it's HR 1955

27:59 that uh... was just been passed with the exception i think only three democrats and three republicans voted against it uh... similarly for me i just got up i'm sorry anyway so uh... that they did they actually passed this bill a chart nineteen fifty five you can look at me go to the blog and check it out of our dot org slash blogger is and read it. Thank you. And it's an actual, if you read between the lines, this is a thought crimes bill. It's a bill that doesn't want you to have any, you know, Philosophy let's put it this way if right now you and I government if you and I were talking and we and we say hey You know man, we had the right to bear arms. You know we should we should go buck and blow the government away You know that the bad guys just that conversation Particularly I think the internet is even mentioned specifically in the bill doing that I think might even be illegal. Yeah, I

28:53 That's fucked up. I think Ron Paul actually voted against it. I checked it. He voted against it. Well, he voted against it, but in the interview with you, I think he came within a hair of actually violating that law if it was actually a law. Right now it's just a bill. So that means it's passed Congress? It's passed the House. So the Senate has to have, you know, either approve it or do their version and then the President has to sign off on it. But with the kind of majority of both parties saying this is a great idea... Yeah, that blew me away. I mean, did these guys read this fucking bill? Or did someone just say, hey, this is what this is about, man, you should just vote yes on this. How does that work? I don't understand it.

29:35 I think they're spending too much time at parties with lobbyists, you know, collecting money. I don't know what they're thinking. The six people, which I should probably put in a blog posting, who voted against it seem to be the only people who either read it or maybe these other guys think it's a good idea, which I really can't believe. That would really be frightening. It's funny because I saw it come through on Google Reader and so I went to the blog because of course you don't get You don't get full articles from your RSS feed. And you want me to tell you why? No. So I went over, you know, so of course I click on the link, I go over, then I got to click again because I get your ad. So I finally get to the story. But you know there was a very thoughtful link there to the bill and I guess there was another story about it that it linked to and from there you could, you know, you could by state see which each representative

30:33 Who would voted yes? Yeah, yay or no, and I like you know I'm gonna remember some of these names man. That's messed up It's pretty pretty pathetic, but you know that's the way things are right now So yeah, well, that's a good call. Let me give you one You know one of the things I've noticed over the past few days is that people especially in Europe or you know they say oh you're in California how the fires yeah and uh... the fires are terrible but the fires are nowhere around here they don't people don't realize that california's around six hundred plus certain miles from one end of the other maybe more and it's four and fifty miles from where i am to the fires to san francisco in los angeles areas long ways it's from i know what's the distance from uh... whales to a london uh... class couple couple hundred miles maybe

31:23 Yes, I'm just further than that. You know it's like going to Scotland. I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, probably like that Well, you know here here when when shit was happening up north people in London didn't know about you know people were drowning their homes were floating away And it was you know only up north and they didn't know I mean so imagine if you're in San Francisco versus San Diego San Diego is what a good hours flight on a on a on a commercial flight about hour 15 yes, that's about 400 miles and that's about five almost five hundred san diego it's a long ways away and but people you know they don't understand that i am why should they be nobody in the world seems to have a sense of geography

32:03 But the fires are you know, this is something I don't think a lot of people realize either they got a lot of publicity I know in England for sure and much of Europe, but they happen every year They're just that this is just the worst has ever been but every year a good portion of Southern California and sometimes the Northern California or Northern California to not as much but we get we get fires up here and then you guys happen there you get the mudslides I'm sorry, they after that you get the mudslides and Yeah, right. It's a combination. So these happen every year. We have lots of acreage to burn and they burn them and they put them out as best they can and then these areas turn into mud and then we have mudslides after that and that becomes news. But much of it's localized. But when they have such a fiasco like what's going on or what's finishing up, we have so many fires all over the place in the whole area and you have to evacuate. I think they had to evacuate

33:01 close to a half a million people they're saying over here yes I got half a million oh they're saying a million here well it could be a million but I you know I'm finding it hard to believe they could even evacuated 500,000 because where did these people go yeah I don't know and I did you have been the traffic down there is already you can't drive in normal circumstances yeah that's what a point there I mean, I don't know what was good. It must have been just a nightmare. But anyway, just wanted to mention that. We got maybe like five more minutes and then we'll be at 40 minutes. Let me just ask you one question. Your take on the now approved by the Writers Guild of America, Strike. I don't hear anyone talking about this, but I think it actually will be a pretty big deal. You know about this, John? A little bit. They're always, you know, they go on strike every few years, actually. Well, but this is the big one, right?

34:02 This is the group that counts. Yeah, this is the big one and it's about residuals for internet usage and clearly stuff that is almost impossible to figure out in any time frame, I'm sure. Yeah, you know the writers Guilds of all of the different writers unions have been kind of on the wrong side of the argument for a lot of this stuff But at the same time, you know, they're thinking well, you know when TV first started we had a lot of writers doing a lot of work and there were no residuals of any sort and then these things went into some sort of syndication that was like pre syndication era and and then everyone was making money but the people who actually did the shows and then they came up with you know some residual concept

34:44 after the fact because there's still a lot of shows that did get passed around uh... in syndicates that nobody's getting any money out of as opposed to something like a law and order some of the newer things that are covered right and so they and so i think it's a defensive in a little freaked out about the internet because the you know i p t v may have some impact on how the money's distributed in the ideas they don't want these producers are the companies that all in you know the rights to distribute this stuff Finding new ways to distribute without paying these guys and so they take a very conservative Look at the internet, and you know they just were soon saying no to everything because they're just worried sick about getting screwed again and from what I understand

35:30 The producers and the networks are all like you know we got a pretty shitty season anyway, so these guys are gonna strike You know why don't we just let them strike and we'll just you know we'll get six more episodes out of everyone and then fuck them You know the world then we'll do reruns and make them the bad guy Yeah, I guess or maybe they get scabs to write. I'm not sure what they're gonna do, but that would be funny Strike strike you know, it's all online. I mean, you couldn't even find it. Actually, the strikers could actually be working on the site. Yeah, scabs, absolutely. You bet they will. Writers, damn writers. Yeah, no, with the internet and all, you could do a lot of work without ever having to go in anywhere. Yeah, just like Wikipedia. There you go. Just sit at home and write it. So I don't know what's going to happen with that thing. I mean, a lot of this stuff's already in the can.

36:25 You know, it's a strange business, that's for sure. Damn straight. All right, John. This was the first of what I hope will be many chats in our agenda. No agenda. No agenda. Yeah, three, four topics sounds about right. Maybe if we do it once a week, it might work out. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I don't think we can sustain this length because sometimes, I mean, the interview you had with Dr. Ron was worth discussing for a while. Yeah, true. Okay, so what we'll see but this I would say I agree This is maybe a little bit on the long side, but just underneath you know 40 minutes is pretty much the max I think yeah, I agree all right my friend. I'll see you well Maybe we'll do it in person next week in California. I think I'm out Thursday or Friday. That'd be good. All right cool all right Don't hang up. Let me end the show yeah Okay No agenda dot pod show calm

37:23 Oh crap, I fucked it up already. Here we go, bye.