in the day when he worked for Apple. He was an Apple evangelist. Did he get paid for that, do you think? Yeah. No, he was actually working there in product management or something. But he took it upon himself to become the evangelist. So he's a big… And he became a big shot. And he had a lot of… He got on a lot of stuff. He's kind of an interesting… I knew him pretty well enough. I never came over for dinner, so he doesn't count for as a friend. But I knew him. And so one day we're giving a… He's kind of an oddly humorless.