1847: Off-Ramp

I just couldn't take it anymore. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, March 1st, 2026. This is your award-winning GiveOnNation Media assassination episode 1847. This is no agenda. Saying hello to the new boss. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, we're all wondering, did I miss something? I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Well that was a little more extreme than I expected. I thought we'd just blow some holes in the desert, but we went a lot further than I think you and I expected.

This was more than a face-saving exercise. Yeah, well I guess the back-channeling wasn't working out. Our back-channeling? Well, we had the assumption that there's back-channeling going on in the... Yes, yes. Everybody was in on the deal and I guess somebody... Yeah. Did something different and wasn't appreciated and the results are obvious. Yeah, it was a face-saving exercise. Unfortunately, the face had to be saved from multiple locations. Bits and pieces. That was pretty extreme. And of course... We're talking about, oh, for people who just listened to the show cold, who may not know what's going on, we bombed the hell out of Iran. Well, out of parts of Iran.

Yeah, it was the parts that were important. The parts that mattered. And of course my email box is filled with people yelling at me. Yeah, that's probably just. Too brutish, really? I mean, why should they be bothering me? Well, I was like, you need to apologize to the anti-war people. I didn't bomb anybody. It's like now it's my fault. I got that note too. It's my fault. You guys, you phonies, you've been being anti-war and here you are. We didn't even do a show yet.

We haven't even done a show and you're telling us what we're gonna talk about. Give us a chance, will you? I did get a couple of thoughtful notes. One is like, I don't get it. A thoughtful note? No, no, here's a thoughtful note. From younger men, like, I don't get it. You know, it's like, I'm just trying to, to get by, I'm a homeowner, I'm trying to do things and here we are spending money we don't have bombing Iran, another war. And I was thinking about it. I don't think there's been a single generation that hasn't been born into a world at war and a world in debt. Maybe with the exception of the time of King Solomon, but I mean you were born in a period of war, were you not?

Think carefully before you say World War I. Just think carefully. Korean War. Korean War. I was born in 1964. Vietnam War. Vietnam War. Every single generation. Give me a date, I'll give you a war. What? Give me a date, I'll give you a war. Okay. 1850. Isn't that Crimean War? Wasn't that 1850? There's a war in 1850, I'm sure of it. But the point is, is that this is what it is. And there's this feeling of, I deserve better. Yeah, we all deserve better. And there was a period of peace during Clinton, I think, wasn't it? Didn't we bomb Kosovo?

Oh, that's right. And Herzegovina. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. He wasn't very peaceful over there. He's also they also bombed the Chinese embassy during that little fracas. I remember. In fact, that was when I was it was in the 70s. No, in the 70s. I remember Yugoslavia kicked off too. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. When Yugoslavia blew apart and became Bosnia-Herzegovina, I think. Well, Yugoslavia also became all kinds of, yeah, Croatia, Slovenia. Yes. All came out of Yugoslavia. They still love Tito in Slovenia. When you go to Slovenia,

which is a beautiful little... Just order some Tito's vodka and see what happens. There's Tito. You go to the farmers market, or not a farmers market, but there was flea market on Sunday along the river there. And there's all these old ladies with framed pictures of Tito. I don't know why I didn't buy one. But the point is, Everyone is born into a world at war and a world in debt. I don't think that has there ever been a time... that the world has not been in some form of debt financing? The bad damn bankers. Yes, the bankers, I tell you. Those bankers. Yeah. So that's what it is. And we're going to see if we can deconstruct what is going on in particular in the media. I found from TRT, the Turkish radio television outfit, a nice backgrounder on the history

of Iran's supreme leader. And I figure if we just start with that, there's even stuff I'd forgotten. Yeah, I think we do have, you probably got your, I don't know what your source, your material from, I've got a lot of Al Jazeera stuff, but they got bumped by a lot of BBC. I liked a lot. I liked what the BBC was up to. I don't think our people were doing a very good job. Rarely. Fox and the rest of them, they're just reiterating. So we have stuff that I think probably gives some insight. Yes, and I also have clips from the Sunday talk shows from this morning that'll be a little more au courant. But let's just start with TRT. This is a two-parter. The history of Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. Sayyid Ali Husseini Khamenei was born into a troubled time, 1939, Mashhad, Iran.

World War II raged on Iran's doorsteps preceding a British and Soviet invasion that installed a young Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on the peacock throne. Amid the turmoil, The young Haminé entered the seminary studying under clerics including Yuhola Khomeini. Like Khomeini, he believed the clergy's role was more than religious and joined the opposition against the monarchy. As revolution swept Iran in 1979, Khomeini fought and won the ensuing power struggle. Khamenei was at his side to establish a new order, the Islamic Republic. And almost a decade later, he succeeded Khomeini as a supreme leader. Under his leadership, the revolutionary guard expanded its power and anti-American stance. Internal dissent grew. So too did allegations of mass corruption, cronyism, and human rights abuses.

In 2009, weeks of protests engulfed the country after a disputed presidential election. Khamenei sided with the incumbent president, Ahmadinejad, against the protesters. Meanwhile, Iran's domestic nuclear program was gathering peace. raising concerns that it could soon develop an atomic bomb. I repeat that the Islamic Republic of Iran is not developing capabilities for nuclear weapons, but also will not overlook the rights of its people and their need for access to peaceful nuclear energy. And this is about the show had started, we were doing the show, we were there during the 2009, I think wasn't that the Green Revolution? They tried to get it going. Exactly, the Green Revolution during Obama. Yes. Who Obama, looking back on it, has said he missed the boat on that deal. So this is the time that... He would have liked to have helped. The Israelis came into play. Israel threatened to take military action.

But President Obama pursued a diplomatic path to constrain the Iranian program. Those efforts bore fruit in 2015 in the form of a deal to curb Iran's nuclear activities in return for sanctions relief. Khamenei backed the deal, which elevated some of Iran's economic distress. But in 2018, President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement and imposed a maximum pressure campaign of economic sanctions Iran did not bow to Trump, ratcheting up its nuclear program. At the same time, the Iranian economy collapsed and there was an explosion of domestic unrest after a girl was killed by security forces in 2022. Iran backed Hamas during Israeli's assault on Gaza that started the following year. But Hezbollah, Tehran's ally, was weakened by an Israeli offensive in 2024.

And Iran's longtime partner, the Assad regime in Syria, fell from power, delivering another blow to Tehran's regional position. Trump took office for the second time in 2025, seeking a new deal with Tehran. But talks ended abruptly after Israel attacked Iran in June. Certainly, the armed forces of the Islamic Republic will inflict heavy blows on this weak dynamic. The nation stands with us, it stands behind the armed forces and the Islamic Republic, and God willing, will overcome this Zionist regime. The dear people should know this, be assured, and rest easy that

There will be no leniency in this regard. His life marked by resistance to the West and dedication to the ideals of the revolution he helped lead. But that same attitude left his country isolated, unstable, and impoverished. There you go. That's a very short history from Turkish radio television. And the response to this is quite interesting. We have, well, of course, Lindsey Graham is just, he's just sweating. We shouldn't even include him. He's sliding across the floor out of wetness. He's so happy. He's so, I do have clips from him this morning. We can play them later if we, if we want to laugh. Well, I got one more backgrounder that would probably be good, which is the NPR.

I'm looking at my clip list, it's got a lot of Iranian clips here. Iranian. There was one here that was a NPR background or NPR, I don't know, I can't figure out what I'm doing here. This is rocking and rolling, baby. You don't know? You don't know where it is? It's well. Let me look let me let me help you out You can usually find my clips better than I can which I find embarrassing by the way But I decided to just put up well that is only if you if you titled NPR we have I don't know you got a lot of NPR here. You got all kinds of stuff I thought there was a backgrounders should say backgrounder. I don't see any backgrounder I

I don't care, we'll just skip it. Move ahead. Background, no you have no backgrounder. Well I was going to say the opinions range from, I told you so, he's taking us back into another war, to this is no Iraq 2.0. I thought Tucker's take was so typical, which is another take which is out there. Can I mention another take that I followed up on? There's a bunch of communists and it turns out that Ray McGovern seems to be in this group and I would include Judge Napolitano. And they all had a take on this and there's a very negative side to a lot of this.

Because I see the whole thing as being planned out from the day Trump got an office when he went to the Middle East I would say even Yes, he went to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, was made buddies with the Saudi guy. Well, there's your difference right there. First of all, the Saudis were not passive. They were active in this. Everybody was seemingly on our side. This was also not run from the Situation Room in the White House. This was run from Mar-a-Lago, which tells me The president kept this very quiet with a very small group and didn't want to limit how how quiet was the double armada? But you know The timing of everything was not it was not going to take place from the White House for I guess obvious stooge and spy reasons

But here's the one from, and this may be closer to what you were talking about from Judge Knapp and those guys. This is Tucker's take. Iraq was a true disaster and Trump was the first big political candidate to say that out loud. He knows this, he always has. So why would he even be considering a war with Iran? Well, one way to think about it is The United States may not have a choice about whether or not this war starts. Because of course, the government of Benjamin Netanyahu could always act unilaterally, preemptively against Iran and just do it, just strike Iran. What would happen then? Well, most likely the Iranians would strike Israel and then potentially strike American assets in the Gulf and then potentially strike energy facilities in the Gulf and the United States would be by definition drawn in. So it's possible that the US government

while not anxious to go to war with Iran, is trying to find a way to contain the behavior of its closest ally, Israel. Rather than sit back and wait for Bibi to do something that we have to clean up, that we're implicated in and then sucked into, it's possible that the US government is attempting to steer this in a less destructive direction. It's possible. None of this of course is filtered down to people paying attention because the few who are paying attention to this Because all the noise has been about Iran's nuclear weapons. They're on the verge of building a nuclear weapon any day now This is a disappointing take from Tucker because the one thing we definitely Noticed is that that wasn't happening there wasn't a the bomb is coming next week none of that was happening and

And if Tucker's takeaway is, oh well, Israel was gonna do it so we had to jump in, come on. Well that falls in line with another thesis that's out there, which is that we, assuming that we moved all this stuff there for no good reason, by the way, but you have to make a lot of leap of faith to accept any of this. And of course the people that dislike our show will will groan when I come up with this one, but the thesis is that, oh, well we moved this stuff to kind of threaten them, but we just wanted to do negotiations and then the Israelis struck. They jumped the gun and we had to go in and claim that we were part of it to make it look okay so it wasn't so obvious that Israel's telling us what to do.

That thesis is out there and that's actually very prevalent. Yeah, and what I find interesting is that AIPAC with all its power has not already organized all of their controlled congressmen, congresswomen, and senators to declare war. Yes, that hasn't happened. The other thing is the Israelis have mobilized 100,000 of the IDF. We've lost three people by some sort of accident. We haven't really You know, for the Israelis that are telling us what to do, they're the ones getting killed. Well, there's always that. But I'm specifically because, you know, this... Yeah, no, where's the media? Yeah, or the rest of it. Where's... yeah, all these people that have sold out to Israel because they're telling us what to do. How come they're not all...

doing an active role as we speak. Yeah, and it makes no, I mean, the nonsense aspect to that theory is just beyond us, the two of us. I will, because you're on board with me. We're two lonesome doves out here. As opposed to everyone who thinks that Israel's calling the shots. to and he can extend it another 60 days after that for a drawdown. And I'm pretty confident that... Well, no, I'm not actually. This is a big game that is being played. And either it's brilliant and Trump pulls it off and we build through, we piece through construction, which is the whole idea of the Abraham Accords and the Board of Peace and the rebuilding of Gaza.

Or World War III and we're all gonna die. I mean, it's really only, it's pretty binary at this point. Well, there's other possibilities. There's a middle possibility, which is an Iraq conflagration that hangs on and drags on forever. But Trump's not that style. He's impatient. He also made very clear that it's up to you, Iranians, Now, I find it hard to believe that we don't have people on the ground trying to steer stuff around. And I have some clips later about the new leadership council, Starfleet Command that is being set up. But maybe just to ease into all of this, this is the Iranian foreign minister. His take is that, hey man, negotiations were going quite well. What happened? This wasn't the deal? I don't know why the US administration insists

to start a negotiation and then in the middle of negotiation attack the other party. Today happened exactly what last June happened. We were in the middle of negotiations and it was interesting that this time we made a big progress. Two days ago on Thursday, we had a very good meeting in Geneva. together with Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. And we were able to address serious questions related to Iran's nuclear program. We obviously have differences, but we resolved some of those differences and we decided to continue in order to resolve the rest of questions. And we actually instructed the technical team to go to Vienna and have a meeting with the IAEA

So, in order to find technical solutions for the problems we are facing in the negotiations. And everybody was happy at the end of those negotiations. As you saw, His Excellency Badr al-Busayyidi, the Foreign Minister of Oman, who is mediating between us He concluded by posting a tweet saying that today we made significant progress and before he posted sweet He consulted with both delegations and both were happy I don't know why While we were progressing in our talks and we had made good, you know achievements and a deal was at our reach and

Why they decided to attack us perhaps you know it was others who dragged the United States for their own benefits into this you know Conflict it's it's really pity. It's very unfortunate I'm kind of with you on the idea that this was planned even before Trump took office. Just looking at Venezuela, you get that all set up. We got tons of oil, so the oil markets are reasonably stabilized. I think oil's probably up $10-15, but it's not $100. And look at how Venezuela played out. No regime change. It's like, oh, you're the second in command, you're the VP? OK, we're going to work with you. Obviously, you've seen what happens if it doesn't go well.

So we have to, yeah, we have to assume, I mean, on the best case scenario, we have to assume that our people did their job. and they lined a guy up in the IRGC or the military who's gonna be the guy who emerges as the ruler and he's gonna do business with us. The same thing that happened down in Venezuela. We already did a deal with that woman who's running the place in advance. We had our people on the ground doing their thing and they said, okay, we're gonna do this and you want to get rid of this guy? Who else needs to go? Well, you better get rid of this guy, that guy, and this guy.

OK, we can do that. We'll get rid of all of them and then you're going to emerge and you'll make you know, you can shake your fist a little while and then we'll do a deal. OK, I'm in. With the advantage that this also told China to go home with their 400 billion dollar investment. OK, it's over 10 years, but still that's half a trillion almost. You know, they China was was the partner. And China doesn't fight. They go, oh, OK, we'll just leave. Now if you listen to these guys on the extreme, especially McGovern and some of these other guys, they talk about China was loading the Iranians up with all kinds of gear. Yeah, cool gear, stuff that goes boom.

And they had this one thing, and this was mentioned, it's in the show notes because I had Adam put it in there. And this has not been discussed by anybody. And I don't want to bring it, I bring it in soon on the show, I guess I'll bring it right now. Yeah, go ahead. This was the Middle East Forum report. And they had discovered that China, and I'll read the headline, China's aircraft carrier missile, killer missile may have fast forwarded the Iran war of 2026. The Chinese had developed, and I heard a general from... It was supersonic too, wasn't it?

I don't know. I think there was a general in Iran that had threatened and said we have new weaponry that the world has never seen before and the Americans are in for a problem. And this is what they're talking about. The Chinese had imported these high speed missiles that were designed to take out aircraft carriers and they were months away from getting them operational because they need training and there's all these things I get you have to do it's not you just can't light a match and this was gonna blow up what it's not like Wiley e coyote you just light a match under that thing and it goes ah that's disappointing

And if they had taken out the Gerald Ford or the Lincoln or the Abraham Lincoln or whatever, just imagine blowing up an aircraft carrier, sinking it and killing 3,000 people and the whole... I mean, this would have been the end of Trump for sure. And would have caused an issue. But the Chinese also apparently have long-range radar that had to be taken out. It was a weapons testing program using Iran as a proxy. We couldn't take a chance on this thing getting used, and so we had to attack immediately. And the president said that several times. He said, they've got stuff.

that can reach in Europe, they've got stuff that can eventually reach us. And from what I heard from our boots on the ground on one of the ships, is that one of them was struck by either a supersonic or a hypersonic missile. And it was something they weren't expecting. Also not expecting is some of these drones. You know, you said the ones that hit Bahrain? Man, that thing just sails under all of our super duper anti-missile tech and just blows out the half of a skyscraper. Yeah, you know, so yeah, and they were doing some analysis this morning about how it costs us like our anti-missile missiles, the things that could take these drones out from the ground. They cost $300,000 a pop and it could break us because you can't, these drones don't cost that much to make. And so they're shooting them out of the sky with jet fighters and helicopters because it's cheaper.

There's a lot of issues. This was not going to get any better. This had to be stopped. I can say that thanks to my Mossad handlers, I'm not in Israel right now. They told me, don't go man, don't go, don't go, it's not a good time. I would have been on the way, no, we would have been there already. You would have been stopped? Well, I would hope so. When was the flight supposed to leave? this morning. So I wouldn't have gone. No, their space is done. But that's only because we decided to stop in Amsterdam first to see Christina. But the original plan was to be there Friday. Oh, yeah. Oh, that would have been funny. Yeah, I'd be doing the show from Egypt. Same thing.

I have this analysis that came in from ABC and what's quite good about the, because that's what everybody wants to know is who's next? What is this leadership council that everyone's talking about? I just, they're short clips, I just wanted to play these because I think there's some interesting information this guy seems to know what he's talking about. Iran's top national security official says an interim council will be formed today to rule the country after the Supreme Leader was assassinated. A three-member transitional council will govern until a panel of 88 members chooses a new leader for the country. So joining us now via Zoom is Kyan Tajbakhsh.

He is an adjunct professor of urban policy at Columbia University. Kian, thank you for joining us. So it could be one or two days until a new leader is chosen. What do you make of the speed of that? Well, it's not surprising because the Iranian regime has been in power for many decades. It's deeply institutionalized, it's deeply ideological, and it does have a deep bench of middle-level and lower-level officers who for decades have been preparing themselves for just this scenario. And so I would imagine that over the next week, pre-planned scenarios for providing a new leadership will be put in place. We'll have to see who they are.

There's a, according to this guy, there's two clocks ticking at the same time. We're in a race condition. So 88 members are going to be voting on this, is that correct? But are we going to see a larger democracy spread and emerge within Iran? I mean, I think some people think that might just happen, but it's not that simple. That's correct. It's not that simple, but you can imagine, you can think about it, there are two clocks ticking right now. One clock is the regime trying to scramble and put itself back onto a secure footing, try to put command and control and the hierarchy of command across this huge territory. Remember, Iran is bigger than France, Spain, and Italy combined.

And so they're going to try to reassemble. The second clock is the people inside Iran who want to overthrow this regime. They are waiting for, to see how much damage the military operations that the United States Israel is inflicting and whether the balance of power towards them. Those are the two plots that are racing at the moment. Which means an obvious power struggle and that's what it's going to come down to. It seems like there might be some kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran. Come on man, I label my clips, you know.

How many people do you think want to be... It's called scripting your clips. This is the... Yeah, you know, Gutfeld does this. Well, it's called producing. It seems like there might be some kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran. How many people do you think want to become the Supreme Leader? Well, I think that at the moment, the scenario that has been often spoken about is not a single supreme leader, but a group, a kind of council of supreme leadership, which they feel is perhaps more protected from a future strike or a future assassination. But I think that at the moment we'll see about four or five people being nominated

And that 88 member council is a council of very elderly clerics, very ideological and fanatic. And they will just be a figurehead putting forward really what might be the IRGC or the military's chosen leaders. So that seems still kind of pretty much on the table. We don't know everything that's happening in Iran, but this final clip is Of course, what the president called for and what the desired outcome is of epic fury. During President Trump's video address, he did make a plea to the people of Iran. It makes it sound simple as though democracy is being airdropped into Iran as we speak and that it will just flourish. I love how they keep bringing democracy into it. Democracy. No, that was Bush. That's the old way of, we're bringing democracy to you. As we speak. They never said that. No, he didn't say that. It will just flourish.

and can happen, will we see anything? Would you say that most of the world... What's he reading into this? This is unbelievable. I'm sorry? Where'd this clip come from? This is the same ABC. Geez. Yeah, well listen to his answer. Flourish and can happen. Will we see anything... Flourish. Would you say that most of Iran would like to see a different reality for themselves? What would you say? Yes, I would say that from my... I've been living and working in that country for many years. And my estimation is no more than 15 or 20% of the population is either ideologically committed or materially dependent on this regime.

Maybe 30, 40% are indifferent and are waiting to see what happens. But there is a large significant minority, maybe of 30, 40, 50%, I'm sure the majority of the Iranians who want to get rid of this regime and to move towards a secular, more democratic regime. One point I'd just say in terms of what President Trump said, which is very clear, which is that The United States is not seeking directly regime change in Iran. It's like a one-two punch. The US is securing its own national interest, weakening the regime.

the threat of apple waters and waiting and in a sense paving the road for the Iranian people themselves to pour into the streets in their million to overthrow this regime. That is, I think, the game plan and it's the most reasonable game plan. It's not a game plan. I'm not seeing it. And there's the other thing is this idea that secular means democratic is bullcrap. Well, that's ABC. You know, they're still living in old school regime. No, you're right. I think you nailed it. They're thinking the George Bush era. Yeah. Well, I have a couple of clips. You want me to get my some of these out of the way? Yes, of course. First of all, let's go to BBC. Well, actually, Al Jazeera has some good stuff and I want to play this one. This is the... They brought in this thesis of the IRGC.

And this would display this so get my thinking out of the way which is I ran IRGC thesis AJ Paul if regime change is the stated objective here now an air war on its own is not going to cut it is it? That's absolutely right. Well it's unclear what the right there That what he just said, the air war is not going to cut it. Well, that's only if you want to force your own puppets in, then you have to have boots on the ground. No, who says this is the BBC does the same thing and we do the same thing. Everybody has said the same comment. The BBC had it this morning. I heard it and I just couldn't take it anymore. He said there's never you can't do regime change with airstrikes.

Well, it depends on the definition. It's never happened and no one's ever done it. No one's ever tried it. When is the last, when has anyone ever tried to do regime change with airstrikes? Well, now this is a very good point. It's never been done because it's never been tried. And my thinking is, okay, here's how it works. I'll just say this. Every military person I've spoken to has that thesis. That is their training. The news guys have the thesis. The military, yeah, because they want boots on the ground. They want to kill people. Lindsey Graham, go do some regime change. Lindsey Graham is the classic. They've all said this and they said it in this clip.

You can't do regime change with airstrikes. Here's the way I would look at it, because I thought this during one of the first, the first crisis when they were bombing Afghanistan, and then we had to put people down there. The Afghanistanis, they really got freaked out when we were bombing them from the air, and then when we moved people in, then they were relaxed, because now, okay, we can deal with this. If you have, for example, Just airstrikes. You've decided you want regime change. And all we're gonna do is do airstrikes until we get it.

and you say, okay, there goes Khamenei, boom, he gets blowed up. And then somebody else, well, I've taken over, you guys suck, boom, you blow him up. You keep blowing these guys up left and right. The Israelis were doing it through hotel windows supposedly and blowing up different bedrooms. They've already set the stage for killing these guys left and right and left and right and left and right. You keep doing this with airstrikes and bombings. You never have to put boots on the ground, you just keep doing this until they decide that maybe this is not such a good idea because I'm going to get killed in this job. But no, no, you can't do it that way. Why not? Well, I'm trying to think if there's a way that it's been done in the past. It's never been tried.

You know, they just make it this, it's an axiom. You can't have regime change with airstrikes. Why not? And I hear it over and over and over. Okay, so I made my point. Let's listen to the rest of this clip. An air war on its own is not going to cut it, is it? That's absolutely right. So what will? Well, it's unclear what will. And if you parse President Trump's statement very carefully, he doesn't say that the United States will be in the business of regime change. He says that the United States will facilitate the conditions whereby regime change will come about. And underlying all of this, there's a lot of context. Iran's nuclear enrichment program struggles with Israel, but also, of course, the crackdown on protesters.

over the winter that, you know, led to thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of deaths. So in Washington and in Tel Aviv, there's a sense that Iran's hold on power might be fragile. That might be a little bit optimistic. I think it is actually very optimistic because people don't spontaneously rise up. And the only organized bodies in Iran that have the capability to take power if the top echelons of Iran's leadership are removed, are going to be groups like the IRGC, which I don't think the Trump administration would view as a win. Would you say that- The Trump administration may be planning that as a win. I like all the assumptions people make. How about, so Operation Ajax, which was in Iran in the 50s, that was, I mean, we have seen CIA covert ops, but without air power.

And arguably, we kind of orchestrated through economics a regime change in Russia. But none of that was war. That was just sneaky stuff done by CIA, MI6, you know, operatives. Yeah, well, that's doable. Yeah, but it's not quite the same as blowing somebody up. No, and keep blowing him up. The new guy, he gets blowed up. Okay, so now I want to play these clips. This is from the BBC, and this is a clip, this is Lauren Blumenthal. And you'll find clips two and three. I killed clip one. Okay. Because it was useless. This is good. This is a good. It was an intro to her. But who is this? Who is Lauren Blumenthal? She is. She I kept looking at her background. She is a professor. She's used to work for the State Department. She's been this and that. She's with Georgetown. She's with

She's now with Johns Hopkins. Okay. And she seems to me to be, and she has no wiki page and she's finding her bio is tough. Can we just say it? Can we just say it? Yeah, but I don't think she's a CIA spook. I think she's one of the 300... Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I think she's one of the 300 real super spooks that work for the State Department, that INR, that Bureau of Research, whatever it's called. Phony baloney little CIA that they've set up. Very spooky person.

but not CIA type spooky. And I've noticed that the CIA will let people have wiki pages, but the State Department people won't. She's got no wiki page. So I'm just thinking different HR department. So here we have her talking on the BBC that she's brought in as an expert because she's an expert. Are there the conversations you think that have been had about the next steps? Because that is one of the main questions we're certainly hearing from President Trump's critics, but really analysts as well. Have there been plans made for what happens next? Well, it's very, it's clever. It's interesting because yes, his critics are saying this is reckless. He hasn't thought it through.

What I hear from both Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump is a kind of, we broke it, but you own it to the Iranian people. So the big question now is who will seize power? My sources, my top intelligence sources in Israel say to me that this has gone better than expected so far, that Iran has made every mistake possible, and that's led to a great military success. On the other hand, my diplomatic and political sources in Israel say that we are not even close to the dawn, that we've got a long way to go, we are absolutely not there. Okay, I like her already. She has the right sources. That makes sense. Yeah, what she said makes nothing but sense. And it would be right that the spies

Intelligence sources would have one way of seeing things and the diplomats who are always bringing their hands would have another way of seeing things. And the crown prince is on his way, I hear. You know, that guy's been left out of the conversation. Of course he has. Remember, he wanted to go talk to Trump at Mar-a-Lago and Trump's like, I got no time for that guy. So I don't think he's the guy. No, he's not. It's got to be somebody else. It can't be that guy. So, here's Blumenthal wrapping a little bit. And we've also seen Iran striking U.S. partners in the region, Gulf states. We've seen Dubai hit. We've seen Doha hit, at least according to the reports that we've been seeing here, Laura. Do you think those regional partners could also play a role then in putting pressure on President Trump, on Israel, to talk about how to wind the operation down?

I mean, that's certainly Iran's hope. That's their chance for survival. That's happened in the past, that the Saudis and important American allies will put pressure on Trump to take this, you know, to sort of dial it back. And I heard important words from President Trump today, two important words among everything else, all the bluster, which was off-ramp. This could end in a day, it could end in a week or maybe two or three, but that's about it. So I don't think this is going to be a long-term conflict. And the sooner it's over, I do think the better for everybody across the region. Laura Blumenfeld, it is always great to get your analysis on this breaking news day. Thank you so much, Laura. Really appreciate your time. Yeah. So the thesis that you're laying out is every single time a new guy pops up, if he's not the guy, then we bomb him. Yeah. Wow. Well, it's one way of doing it.

Yeah, that would cause an issue. I think the guy that we want is already lined up. Must be. Where's Victoria Newland? Is Newland out there passing out donuts to somebody? We don't see anybody like that involved. And I think the model that was set up and it was staged and set up for Venezuela. Venezuela is the great opener because we got that, we get the oil so that cause, cause it's straight of her moves thing was disclosed. And so, Oh God, now what? Well, yeah, that's why we had the Venezuelan oil because we did, but that was also a test of how to do regime change by just taking out the top guy until we get down to the one that can do the job for us. But what we didn't use is that cool, uh, that cool, uh, discombobulator.

Yeah, it is a little disappointed. We didn't use the disc and Bobby later. Yeah. Well, I think that has to be close range and we're not putting any boots on the ground. So no, no, we're not. All right. I have some more. Do you have more that you got plenty of clips, but you know, you want to break me, break it up here. You should take some, Okay, let us go to, well let's just, here's briefly about the Strait of Hormuz. Please go take a look at Google Maps, understand that all the Saudi oil comes through there. That's where the oil, 90% of China's oil comes from Iran, comes through the Strait of Hormuz, the ghost ships, et cetera. It's been a mess with the Houthis for years, letting the Chinese ships go, but you know,

making a hassle for everybody else, great helicopter video, and here's what Iran says about it. Iran's Revolutionary Guard is sending radio transmissions to ships warning them that quote no ship is allowed to pass the Strait of Hormuz. That's according to the EU's naval mission whose operations aim to protect international shipping from attacks. The Strait of Hormuz is a vital export route for the Gulf's biggest oil producers including Saudi Arabia and the UAE around 20% of the world's crude oil flows through it. Experts have warned that even a limited disruption could spike energy prices and fuel inflation. Yeah, no, probably not. Hence the Venezuelan oil. That was the gambit right there. It's like we need that, secure that, it's got enough, we got enough for our 60 days or whatever we need. For us. For us, yeah. Not for China, for us. And left out of this whole thing

are the Europeans and the Brits. The Brits who kind of legendarily got into Persia as it was known back in the day in what, 1908? They're the ones who set us up. Yes. Go ahead, say it. For their oil because the Brits wanted- British Petroleum. British Petroleum wanted more oil and so they had, you know, when they had a democracy back in the day, they were like, you know- The girls wore mini skirts. They were gonna do the thing, put the oil on the open market. The British wanted it all and so we put the Shah in play to make sure that the Brits got their way. Yeah, and so they're out of this game and here's Keir Starmer admitting as much. Earlier this morning, the United States and Israel struck targets in Iran. Iran has since launched indiscriminate strikes across the region.

I know the British people and communicators across our country will be deeply concerned about what this means for security and stability and for the fate of innocent people across the region, which for so many of us includes friends and family members. So whilst the situation is evolving very quickly, I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes. But we have... Why would you say it like that? I mean, why is he saying, we played no role, we had nothing to do with any of that? Is that so that they, their new buddies in China don't get mad? No, it's their domestic audience. They have so many Muslims in the country. Of course, of course, yes.

I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes. But we have long been clear the regime in Iran is utterly abhorrent. They have murdered thousands of their own people, brutally crushed dissent and sought to destabilise the region. Even in the United Kingdom, the Iranian regime poses a direct threat to dissidents and to the Jewish community. Over the last year alone, they have backed more than 20 potentially lethal attacks.

on UK soil. I didn't know that. 20? I didn't either. 20? That's a lot. It is clear they must never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. That remains the primary aim of the United Kingdom and our allies, including the US. Go sit down, Keir. You're not a part of this game, obviously. He's left out. So everybody on the the M5M this morning all the questions are all the same. What's the goal? What's the point? What's the purpose? What's the goal? How is the president and his team talking about the goals of this war right now? Well George, the president does claim that he has several off-ramps and a quote beautiful plan but it's still not clear what that plan is. He says he could end this in a couple of weeks or end it in just a few days saying quote until the Iranians see you again in a few years if you start

rebuilding your nuclear program. What is clear, his goal here is regime change, but he still hasn't articulated exactly what that looks like. There are still big, very fundamental questions left unanswered. Who does the president think should lead Iran? What role is the Trump administration and the U.S. military going to play going forward? promised no new wars. He vowed not to drag the US into more foreign conflicts and yet that is now exactly what he is doing and he still has not fully explained to the American people why this is necessary now. What was the imminent threat? Why did he change his thinking now? Now the administration is going to brief members of Congress later this week but the

The president now, after the fact, has to make the case for this war to the American people, as he now warns that American lives may be lost, George. He put out that video overnight Friday. Any plans to address the nation over the weekend or early in the week? Yeah, George, it certainly seems hard to imagine that the president won't come out and speak more about this. But right now, this morning, he remains down in Mar-a-Lago at his resort in Florida with members of his national security team, where he has been monitoring all of this. unfold and play out. He will be back here at the White House later this evening, but I'm sure that we will certainly be hearing from him again soon, George. All right, that's Mary Bruce. She's just breathless. Hey, this is exciting for these people. You know, they get to do something again. Now, then there's the, well,

Aren't we at risk here at home because of this? Because the tentacles of Iran are far reaching. Pierre Thomas. Pierre, officials on edge over possible threats to the homeland. On edge. The US military campaign as to perhaps the most dangerous threat environment since 9-11. History suggests there's reason for concern. US officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill President Trump. Did he say Iran inspired plots? That's interesting. It's a little different than Iranian plots, Iran-inspired plots. Sir, US officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran-inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill President Trump. That's a screw-up. Well, it's in the script. Yeah, I think he, somebody, whoever wrote that for him, I say somebody wrote it for him, these are newsreaders.

That's a screw up. They pulled the ISIS script and just scratched out ISIS and Iran. That's exactly right. You nailed it. U.S. officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran-inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill President Trump, as well as others that have targeted journalists and dissidents living here who oppose the regime. This morning there's evidence that US law enforcement is taking this threat seriously of operatives from Iran and sympathizers as well. The FBI has put all counterterrorism and counterintelligence teams on high alert. Sources tell me the FBI is planning to step up surveillance of suspected Iranian operatives and the Secret Service is increasing security of President Trump.

Vice President Vance and all the living former presidents. In addition, Homeland Security officials yesterday issued a bulletin warning police that Iran and its proxies may target US infrastructure with denial of service cyber attacks. George, it's a very dangerous moment. Denial of service attack? All you need is just cloud flare to go down in its worst. That's all it takes. Just go over here to San Francisco to the cloud flare offices and you could bring down the whole internet. So this last night there was a shooting in Austin and it was near a bar that some friends of ours have ownership in and everybody at the church this morning was saying, oh yeah, this is it, this is what's happening, it's because of Iran. We go now to Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz who joins us from Austin. Good morning to you, Senator. I'm glad we got your audio working. You are from Houston, I believe, this morning.

I am. Good morning, Margaret. Good morning. I wanted to ask you about Austin, though, because there are reports of three people dead, more than a dozen injured following a mass shooting in that city. The FBI is saying this morning that their joint terrorism task force has joined the investigation. Is there any nexus to terrorism or anything that is going on in regard to the worldwide caution at this moment? We don't know for sure. There are some early reports that this shooting may be connected to terrorism, but we need to follow the evidence and see in particular what motivated the shooting. We are certainly, Heidi and I, are praying for those who were wounded and the families of those who were killed.

But at this point, we don't know what the evidence will show in terms of whether this was an act of terrorism. I don't think so. This is on 6th Street, which has been just a gigantic mess for years. People who come to Austin don't even want to go to Joe's Club anymore, which is on 6th Street, which is where the old Paramount Theater was. It's a mess. And so it doesn't surprise me that 14 people got shot, several who died. But I think this is Ted Cruz's beat. In this operation, Trump has said, hey man, you just stay on this. You just talk about that stuff. Talk about my life. Senator, just looking at the global environment right now, CENTCOM announced three Americans were killed and five seriously wounded in this operation.

President Trump and Vice President Vance campaigned on not getting America involved in new wars. What do you say to Americans this morning who are asking why we are in this conflict now? President Trump's decision to launch this decisive action against Iran is the single most important decision of his presidency. I think he laid out powerfully and effectively why he is taking this action. He is taking this action because the government of Iran is a profound and malign influence. They have been the leading state sponsor of terrorism for 47 years. They have over that time killed nearly 1,000 Americans.

They provide more than 90% of the funding for Hamas. They provide more than 90% of the funding for Hezbollah. The Iranian Ayatollah was, until yesterday, actively trying to murder the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. There you go. That's Cruz's bit. That's his part. And clearly, just pre-written statements and script. Unimpressive. That sounds very, very scripted. Whenever someone says, this decisive action, that's written. No one talks like that. John, what do you think of this decisive action by the president? Yeah. Yeah, it's scripted for him and he's doing what he has to do.

which is fine. Let's go back to the BBC. They brought in one of our senators or congressman Seth Moulton to talk about this. And the one thing that's obvious when you listen to it, no matter who's talking about who, this Khomeini guy, I think everybody in the Middle East hated him. I think everybody in the Democrat Party, everybody hated this guy. And I think half the Iranians did too, or more of them. Because this guy, you can't not talk about this. This is an anti-Trump guy brought on the BBC to moan and groan about Trump. But he can't, he still can't say anything, except for a very few outliers like this.

Video podcaster Jackson What's the house's last name Jackson? I don't know a video podcast Jackson Hinkle Jackson. He goes 3.6 million followers on on on Twitter and X and he say he That gives him credibility. What did I think they're fake numbers, but they they he post pictures of Komeini with hero, this man didn't deserve to get shot. He's like an American communist. He's a communist and he keeps reposting American Communist Party stuff. And he's the one that had McGovern on the show, his show yesterday, who went on, who seems to be also in the same camp, which I'm kind of surprised by, Ray McGovern, ex-CIA.

And so they, but he's, you know, except for that little crowd who thinks that Khomeini was a great guy. I don't know how you could get there. Most people reflected what you're going to hear in this BBC Seth Moulton clip number one. There was plenty of debate here in the U.S. as well. Let's speak about that with Congressman Seth Moulton, a Democrat from Massachusetts. He's on the Armed Services Committee. Congressman, it's great to have you back with us on BBC News. I want to start with getting your reaction to what President Trump put on Truth Social. He said Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, is dead. I'm glad he's dead. I mean, he's an evil person who's killed thousands of his own people and chanted death to America for decades.

So I'm glad he's dead. But the question before us right now in the United States of America is should we be risking lives for this? Young American lives who were putting on the line without any democratic decision from Congress about whether this is the right thing to do. What information have you received in the House Armed Services Committee, for example, about the justification to this point of why President Trump has taken this line with Iran? Nothing. Nothing. And you're expecting, we know the gang of eight of course was briefed, the gang of eight, the eight members of Congress who were briefed on classified intelligence. But you haven't heard any further information from the White House, from the Secretary of State on why this attack would have taken place?

Literally nothing. I mean, I've seen what you've seen on the news. But Trump has not come to Congress at all. The administration has not briefed us. The Gang of Eight briefing was just late last night to say this is about to happen. That's the kind of briefing that should happen in anticipation of a limited strike against an imminent threat. This is obviously not a limited strike. The president's not even trying to make that case, as he did with Venezuela. And he's given us no evidence that there was an imminent threat. I've got to just stop the congressman here because he's making it sound like, well, it's a limited threat, you can do this, but not if it's, you know, something like this. And you didn't inform us, but you talked to the Gang of Eight. That's literally informing Congress. So the rules of the War Powers Act, and I'm not saying that I agree with it. I would prefer...well, we've only once have we declared war in my lifetime, and that was 9-11.

So the president must, I have it written down here, the president must consult with Congress, quote, in every possible instance before introducing US forces into hostilities or imminent hostilities. That was done with a gang of eight. The 48-hour reporting period, the forces are deployed without a formal declaration of war. The president must submit a report to Congress within 48 hours of explaining the justification, authority, and estimated scope and duration of the deployment. I think he posted that on X, so that's probably on Truth Social, I'm sorry. So I'm sure that will take place. But the big thing here is the 60-day clock.

US forces must be withdrawn within 60 days unless Congress either declares war, grants specific authorization for the use of military force, the so-called AUMF, or extends the deadline. And the president can still extend by 30 days for a withdrawal period, bringing the total time to 90 days. We never declared war on 9-11. Oh, we didn't? No. How about that? The last formal declaration of war by the United States Congress occurred in June 1942. Really? We didn't do... I thought we did that on 9-11. We never declared war against Vietnam. Well, no, I knew that. I thought we did have a congressional approval for... after 9-11. Not a declaration of war. Hmm, okay. I stand corrected.

So, so, so, Mootin, Mootin, Molten, whatever his name is, Mutton, he's kind of stretching it by saying, you know... Well, in fact, the clip too kind of brings up, the BBC does a good job of kind of... Nailing him on this and then it which becomes an ask Adam Yeah, all right and ask Adam all right, so this is my new technique I like it I like it and so we're gonna listen to the to

Mike Lawler wrote on social media, he said, the president must notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops. The president must then withdraw troops within 60 to 90 days unless Congress declares war. In this instance, Congress was briefed in advance and he goes on to say. The president has the authority to act. The notion that the strike is illegal or that the president needed Congress's authority is wrong. Biden and Obama conducted numerous strikes in numerous countries without Congress, and none of the people, quote, screaming now, seem to have any objections. What's your response to that? All right, what's your response to that? What is the question? And then the question is,

What does Moulton say? Now this is a very straightforward thing is that this happened before Biden did it Obama did it Clinton as you pointed out earlier in the show did it mm-hmm They don't mention Libya, which is the best example. They weren't threatening us. That was Obama too That was and that was Obama and they went on and on and on and so he now what kind of answer will he give as a counter argument that solid counter argument to what the Republicans said. This is a very difficult one because Seth hates Trump but also doesn't like, I think he's going to say

that the American public deserves this or... Hmm. Wow, I think I'm really stumped on this one. How can you counter this? What crazy notion could this guy come up with other than, well, maybe that's it. But Trump is a madman. That would have to be my answer. But Trump is a madman. Okay, that's not it and here we go. What's your response to that? First of all, Mike Lawler knows nothing about war. Okay? He went through this generation without fighting, without putting on the uniform, without being on the ground in the Middle East like those of us who are very concerned about these operations have. Oh, okay.

So in other words, he doesn't address the argument at all. At all. That's gonna be the answer to most of these, by the way. He doesn't address it at all. That was no fun. He just skirts it. What would he know? What does he know about war? And by the way, there's one other little clip I want to play which is kind of in relation to this, which is a contradiction clip from Al Jazeera. This Iran war contradiction. Okay. Get it over now to the White House. Kimberly Halkett is there for us. Kimberly, it seems as though the U.S. is in this for the long haul. Yes, that is consistent with statements that have been made, albeit vague, from the U.S. president as well as

It is widely being reported that Operation Epic Fury, as this has been dubbed, is now into what is expected to be a series of escalating strikes that will last one- to two-day periods, followed by pauses to assess the damage. In terms of diplomatic talks, that is still a major question, because, of course, most were looking ahead to next week, when it was expected that talks and discussions to limit Iran's nuclear program would resume. There's been no statement from the White House

about whether or not the United States intends to do that. In fact, we haven't heard from the U.S. president beyond his eight-minute video that he has put out. The U.S. president is not even at the White House. In fact, he's in the U.S. state of Florida at his residence in Mar-a-Lago, where the White House press secretary says that he is monitoring these events. alongside members of his national security team, and will continue to do so throughout the day. We also know that he spoke with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. And when it comes to the president's national security team, we know that the secretary of state and national security adviser, Marco Rubio, has also been in consultation with members of Congress, a so-called gang of eight made up of Democratic and Republican leadership. They were notified

as these strikes were initiated and the Department of War also contacted members of the House and Senate Armed Services Committee to let them know that the plan they had been briefed on earlier in the week was now in full effect. They talked to the House Armed Services Committee, Moulton said, we didn't hear nothing. Yeah. He wasn't at the meeting. The guy, we didn't hear nothing. I didn't hear nothing. I didn't hear nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Typical. Hmm. So this is like, so we get a lot of this smoke and mirrors crap. Well, then blame the guy. What do you can't say anything? You can't make these comments because you didn't wear the uniform. Okay. Yeah. I probably could have guessed that one bone spur. Yeah. Um, I'm just looking at the quad screen. So the president now posting on true social that we have sunk nine of their Navy ships

So that means the straighter form moose will open up again pretty soon. I think your thesis is probably right. You know, choose your guy. That's not the guy. That guy? That's not the guy. Just keep doing it. Yeah. Gonna be one of these guys eventually. Do you want to hear some Lindsey Graham stuff? Just don't accidentally kill your guy. Oh, well, hold on. Let's do Ro Kahana, because I got Ro Kahana. Oh, that guy. Him and Massey teamed up. What a group. You have to, you know, the funny thing is Thomas Massey, who I've had mixed feelings about, is like, Ro Khan is part of the old squad. He's like a, he's a borderline socialist and Massey has to be one too to be buddies with this character. Well, they're, they're doing the no war declaration along with Rand Paul, which is what the Pauls have always done that. Yeah. Well, Rand Paul makes, that's traditional. It's like a tradition. But Rand Paul doesn't bother me. It's like an American tradition. Yeah.

Let's go with, I'd call him Ro Khanna, Ro Khanna, but it's Ro Khanna. Here he is with Manhans Welker. Welcome back and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press. Thank you for having me on today. Thank you so much for being here. Let me start off with this- Wait, wait, did she say Congressman Khanna? His name's Ro Khanna, that's his last name. Let's listen. Meet the Press. Thank you for having me on. Hold on. Here we go. Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press. She said Congress and Khanna. His name is not Ro, it's his first name and Khanna's his last name. His last name is Ro Khanna. Isn't Ro, isn't that erectile dysfunction drugs? Ro? Exactly. Mr. Khanna.

Mr. Rowe, how you doing Mr. Rowe? Good to see you. How's it working down there? Welcome back and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Rowe Cona of California. Are you sure? Now that she says that I have to go look it up. Maybe his name is Rowe. I think his name is Rowe Cona. Yes, his name is Rowe Cona. He was born Rowe. You are racist man. That's a fine Indian name. Kahna? Kahana. Kahana. Yeah, Kahana. Ro Kahana. Ro Kahana. Yeah, okay. You just wasted our time. I always start with one lone name. You wasted our name. His full name is Rohit. Rohit Kahana.

Rohit. Rohit Khanna, yeah. So we just call him Ro. All right, so... How'd this guy ever got into Congress? And he represents Silicon Valley. There you go! Indian, Silicon Valley, more questions? No, that's the only reason he's getting in, because the Indians just, oh, he's one of us, let's vote for him. This is like the women who vote for women. Yes, correct. Welcome back, and joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press. Thank you for having me on today. Thank you so much for being here. Enough with the platitudes. Let's start off with this critical question. You heard what Senator Lindsey Graham had to say. I'm playing him out of order now. The world is in fact safer now that the Supreme Leader is gone. You heard Senator Kelly agree with that part of his assessment. Do you agree?

Senator Graham now has become the face of Republican foreign policy. He's been consistent, but he's been consistently wrong. Let me say this, Khamenei was a brutal dictator, but Americans are not safer today. Look, Senator Graham cheerled us into the Iraq war. He cheerled us into the effort with Libya. And Trump ran against him in 2016. He said regime change wars are absolute, absolute failures. And that has escaped Donald Trump. And now you have a situation in Iran where the IRGC is still in power. The Assembly of Experts are going to

picked the new leader. By the way, they were picking the new leader before we killed Ayatollah. The Ayatollah was 86. And the question is, is the country going to descend in civil war? Are billions of our dollars going to be spent there? Are American troops going to be at risk? So this is a different tack that he's taking because, you know, the Democrats also hated this guy. But, you know, this is all wrong. This is it's futile. It's no good. Take it to the War Powers Resolution, please, Kirsten. And Senator Graham arguing that the IRGC is at war with the U.S. Democratic leaders. Obviously, you are co-sponsoring a bill with Congressman Massey to force a vote on the War Powers Resolution.

Congressman, do you think you have enough votes for this to pass? is going to be very close, but I believe we will have every Democrat. I can't believe it. There's going to be a Democrat who wants to vote for another war in the Middle East. And then you have not just Congressman Massey, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs. There are a number of people on the Republican side who agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, Donald Trump said that the Iraq war was a disaster. Hold on a second. The Democrats have always considered her a crackpot lunatic. And they're always bitching and moaning about Marjorie Taylor Greene, Marjorie Taylor Greene, because she's nuts. And now all of a sudden, because she split and quit, you know, split with Trump and quit the job. She's the best. She's the best. Give me a break.

Congressman Massie, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs, there are a number of people on the Republican side who agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, Donald Trump said that the Iraq war was a disaster. He said Libya was a disaster. He ran because a big part of the MAGA base did not want another war in the Middle East. They rejected Lindsey Graham and yet here we have Lindsey Graham being the face of Republican foreign policy as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, I believe this is a betrayal. Because Lindsey Graham was her lead guest, he's now the face of the Republican Party? Yes. What kind of logic is this? Roe was stronger. In other words, the booker of her show is really determining foreign policy if you look at it.

The face of Republican foreign policy as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, I believe this is a betrayal of a decent chunk of the MAGA base. Ah, see, we're trying to go for the cleave it and leave it. Oh yeah, that's a good bit. Yeah, that's what you do. That's a good bit. I give him points for that one. Considering you're Kristen Welker, you're Rohit Khanna, what is the next logical topic from this conversation so far? Are you asking me? Yes, ask John. The last next logical, well regime change was addressed I think.

the midterms. Let me talk to you about one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran. Okay, you ready? What was one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran? I'll give you a secondary chance. Oh, so I was wrong. You were wrong. Okay, so you're playing this a little differently than I would. Yeah, I don't have a jingle for you. Which is, I would have just do the slam dunk and get it over with. But no, no, you're more of a torture type. Yes, I am. Yes. So you're trying to torture me. Let's see, it would be negotiations that were something to do with the negotiations for the

uh... uh... a bomb that and the newt the truth is that you know it's a little room has is better than you are at this game of they had a right away on this week the fallout over the epstein filed the file no i don't know what it has to fight for the house oversight committee behind how do you feel now close all right now i feel like crap It's obviously the Epstein files. Of course! He had no idea of the crimes that Epstein was committing. Do you have any outstanding questions for President Bill Clinton about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, Congressman?

When the transcript comes out, I think people will see that he answered every question. I actually think they'll see that some of the Democrats asked him tougher questions than even the Republicans. And he sat there, he didn't take the fifth. He answered every question fully, and the American people will be able to decide on what they believe. The point, though- is Every person who went to that island or who corresponded with Epstein about going to his mansion should be called under oath to tell us what they knew. Well, that would be a lot of your richest constituents, Mr. Kahana. I have to say, since you brought the in Epstein out of the blue, I do have a side clip. Okay.

They did release some of the Hillary... Yes, I have some of Hillary's response. But yeah, I mean I was trying to kind of like slowly overlap so we we kind of slide out of Iran. No, we're gonna go back to Iran. We have to go back to Iran. But where is this clip? You seem to be kind of lost on your clips today. Yeah, you know why? I hear there's James Comer, Grylls Hillary. Would that be the one? Yeah, that's it. Look, Mrs. Clinton, we don't want to be here all day either. So just tell us how you killed Mr. Epstein and we can all go home, okay? I mean, everyone knows you killed him. Just tell us how you did it.

Okay, look, I knew the guards were asleep. So I just, I took the keys, I turned off the cameras, I went into Jeffrey Epstein's cell and I saw him sleeping. So I just grabbed one of his shirts and I choked him with it. He kind of woke up but I think he, I actually think he enjoyed it because he was smiling as I was choking him, which was kind of strange. But anyway, I made it look like a suicide and I got back home just in time for dinner. I love how people are trolling, like, hey man, this is AI. Really? Really now? This is AI. Huh. Huh. Surprise, surprise. Wow, that's interesting. Again, well worth the 1.3 trillion dollar investment and counting. It's doing great. Yeah, for that 39 second clip. Let me go back to Manhans Welker with Lindsay.

for as long as we can stand it. And joining me now is Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Senator Graham, welcome back to Meet the Press. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me on such a historic day. Thank you for being here on an historic day. He sounds nervous. He's jitty, man. No, I think he's trembling with... Oh, jitty, that's what it is. He's jitty. He's got... It's adrenaline. That guy is screwed up. It's pulsating. Good morning, Senator. Let me start with the big question. Is the United States at war with Iran? I think the Ayatollah would say yeah. I don't know if this is technically a war, but we're... Here's what I can say, the headline... Wait a minute, what did he... I mean this was this morning. The Ayatollah was declared dead and now he's... Yeah, he was already dead. So I don't know what he's... Did someone not... What's he talking about? Hey guys... Did someone forget to brief Lindsey? That's very strange. I don't know why he's... Something's up with him. As for me, Sunday.

The mothership of terrorism is sinking. The captain is dead. The largest state sponsor of terrorism, Iran, is close to collapsing. So this is his big moment. The mothership of terrorism is sinking. Oh, he had a writer. Yeah, is sinking. Yes, a writer. The captain is dead. Okay. The leader of the largest state sponsor of terrorism and his inner team are dead. The mothership that fuels the proxies is in sinking mode. The goal of this operation is to change the threat, not the regime. When this operation is over, no matter who... What's that? Sinking mode? I'm saying he blew these lines. He had this stuff written for him, but sinking mode? It's like you're sinking. You're not sinking mode.

What mode are you in? I'm in a sinking mode. Is in sinking mode. The goal of this operation is to change the threat, not the regime. When this operation is over, no matter who takes over in Iran, they will not have ballistic missiles to hurt us, Israel or the region. They will not have the capability to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism, whether it's a cleric or a group of representative of the country where there's an election. It doesn't matter right now. Iran in the future will no longer be the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They cannot rain terror on the region. They cannot commit mass murder. That's the goal of this operation. Again, the mothership of terrorism is sinking. The captain is dead. Oh, I got it all right this time.

Much better. Yeah, exactly. He revisited it. I gotta do it again so I might get my sound bite. Iran will no longer be capable of being the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That is the goal and that goal will be achieved. See, I like listening to Lindsey Graham because he was read in on this plan early. Yes, he was obviously read in. That's why he was on the plane with Trump and, you know, he represents the state with a lot of military aircraft, Boeing.

Lots of stuff going on. You know, he's tight with Israel. And that's why he was so kind of giddy, but I think nervous too, because he had these lines to deliver, which you rightly noticed that he had to re-deliver that one line because it had to be that line. It sucked. Because I'm sure Trump is like, well, you can't even deliver a simple line we wrote for you. So the next pertinent question, Welker is asking the right questions here. Will the United States pick the next leader of Iran or will the Iranian people pick the next leader? No. Isn't that great? I love that. This is exactly what the theory is. Good question. I talked to the crown prince, he's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American... Hold on! He took to the... Wait a minute!

Lindsey Graham just said, I talked to the crown prince. Yes, we said. So is the crown prince still in play or is this Lindsey freelancing? This is a good question because the crown prince shouldn't be in play. Well, unless there's unless there's a backup plan or a contingency or there's something to do, you know, in case Maybe he's held in abeyance in case the public, because they don't know how the public's going to react to all this and whether the guy that they want to take, put in place is going to actually get to where he's got to go. And who knows? I mean, maybe it's just a contingency. Well, let's see if Lindsey tells us more. I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American boots on her. He's the trans prince. He's not the crown prince. He's the trans prince. That's what he is.

I talked to the Crown Prince, he's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American boots on our ground. This is not Iraq, this is not Germany, this is not Japan. We're going to free the people up from a terrorist regime. And the goal is not only to help the Iranian people to chart a new destiny, but make sure no matter who takes over in Iran, no matter who it is, no matter who the people pick they cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They can't fuel Hezbollah, the hoodies and Hamas. They can't have ballistic missiles. This guy, the hoodies. This guy's no good. They cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They can't fuel Hezbollah, the hoodies and Hamas. They can't have ballistic missiles. They can't have a nuclear weapon. They will be out of the terrorism business. So the people will pick.

As to the people, choose wisely. We want to be your friend. We'd like to have a good relationship with you going forward, but that is up to you. Now, what am I going to do next? When this regime can no longer threaten the region, I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

He's off script. He's high. He's high. He doesn't know what he's talking about. This is great. If the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the center of gravity for Islam is Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. If they could make peace and have a normal relationship, the cost of history would stop. Wait, wait. That's already happened. That's already happened, but he says, the way he says it though, he sounds as though Saudi Arabia is the one and only Jewish state. He just jams it together. It's not what he said, but it sounded a bit like that. No, it's what it sounded like because he's just throwing, he's got a script that he's screwed up.

This is out of control. This is good. I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. If the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the center of gravity for Islam is Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. If they could make peace... You're right! Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. That's great, Lindsey. with your people who elected you. Yeah, they didn't elect you to be an international ambassador.

Iran a state sponsor of terrorism to rain havoc on us in the region. That's the goal I hope the people will choose wisely. I think Trump's not gonna be happy with this. No he's giving Biden credit Yeah, he put Biden in there and yeah. Well, let's do one more. This is probably because I have a ton of them, but just the last one. We can't have unless it's funnier than this last clip. Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime chain is. We saw that. Regime chain. Regime chain? Regime chain. Hey man, what kind of chain is that you're wearing? Regime chain? Uh-huh. Oh yeah? Oh yeah, baby. Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime chain is. We saw that when Saddam Hussein was... How petty are we, John? We're the worst. But it's like, how can you not ridicule? These are professionals.

Making millions. She makes millions of dollars. I mean it's unbelievable how lame this is and then they got this Lindsey Graham guy who can't even do a script properly now he's taking credit for everything that Trump's doing and yet he's patting himself on the back left and right and blowing his lines. This is unbelievable. Senator history tells us just how complicated regime change is we saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terror threat and group moved in how will the United States make sure that Go back to she's flustered because she knows that these lines so she's what she said about

Hussein ousted in a regime threat or something? Let's listen again. Saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terror threat and a group moved in. He was ousted in a terror threat. And a group moved in. He was ousted in a terror threat. What is she saying? I don't know. How will the United States make sure that the next Iranian government isn't worse than the current regime? He makes this level of... He makes these noises all the time. The current regime.

It's not our job to pick the next Iranian government. I don't remember being attacked by Iraq any time, you know, in the past. What? Iraq is complicated. What? What? That's that's changing the narrative. I don't remember being attacked. We literally changed our mind from Afghanistan to Iraq overnight. And now he doesn't remember any of it. He's pick a side. No, we know good. We have a relationship with Iraq. It's up to Iran to pick your leader It's not my job. It's not president Trump's job. We're not gonna occupy the country We're gonna give the people of run a chance to do something. They've never had before on a second It's not my job. It's not president. He's could put himself ahead of Trump Yeah, Trump will notice this. Yeah, I

I think Lindsey's two martinis in at this point. I think you're right, I think he's got in the bag. I have a sense that when he started off he sounded like he's a little bit, uh, you know, inebriated. Toasty. We're not gonna occupy the country. We're gonna give the people of Iran a chance to do something they've never had before. It's our job to kill your leader and to keep killing them until you choose the right one. In Europe they make you vote over. It's kind of the same thing. Chart their own destiny. We're going to take away from any future regime the ability, any future government, the ability to have a ballistic missile program, a nuclear program or support terrorism. That's what we're going to do. And if out of this comes a new government that we can do business with, great.

But having Iran no longer the state sponsor of terrorism opens up historic opportunities. It's the one irritant in the region. It's the one impediment to real peace. We'll never get to where we want to go as long as Iran is the state, largest state sponsor of terrorism. And I'm here to tell you, the largest state sponsor of terrorism, the mothership of terrorism is sinking and the captain is dead and a lot of good things are going to follow. Oh no, Lindsey, no one cares about your soundbite. It's not working, it's not a good one, fire the guy who wrote it for you. It's just not good. Um, this is, this is, uh, I have to play this. The guy is just, he's a, it's like landmines everywhere, this guy, like...

Walk through the minefield and please step on every single one. Lindsay, that's what you're good at. Senator, let me ask you because the president's opposition to regime change and war quite frankly was central to what he described as his America First agenda. On Saturday, former Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote this. We said no more foreign wars, no more regime change. We set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech. Trump, Vance, basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put a... Wait a minute, I love this. So first they campaigned, they can, the whole campaign was the Epstein files. Now the whole campaign was no more war. It's like, just choose one. No more regime change. We set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech.

Trump, Vance, basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put America first and make America great again. Did the promise, did the president's strikes on Iran go against everything that he promised the American people? This is a good question. This is a fair and valid question. Lindsey, go. Quite the opposite. He promised to keep us safe, to stand up to people who would hurt America. She's a former congressman for a reason. What is it America first is the following. Make sure that no regime who wishes to hurt America can. To make sure that they don't have a ballistic missile capability to attack our country. They have American blood on their hands. We destroyed their missile program, their nuclear program, they're coming right back at it. America first is not isolationism. America first is not head in the sand. America first is not to get entangled. We're not gonna have any boots on the ground in Iran.

But America first is to kill people who wish us ill with a... Wow! America first is to kill people! That's what America is. How about that? I gotta listen to this gem again. That's better than your, the mothership is sinking. Destroyed their missile program, their nuclear program, they were coming right back at it. America first is not isolationism. America first is not head in the sand. America first is not to get entangled. We're not gonna have any boots on the ground in Iran, but America first is to kill people.

who wish us ill with a record of trying to destroy us and the region to take them off the table. Foam finger number one, we kill people. Celebrate today, please, my Democratic colleagues. that the most evil man on the planet is no more. He terrorized his own people. 32,000 people at least have been killed protesting a better life. He was trying to get a nuclear weapon. He was building missiles to hit the United States. He was a religious Nazi that had a horrible agenda for the region and the world. He is no more. Well done, President Trump. Well done to your team. This is something to celebrate. So, I mean, I think there's, it's kind of like

It's a sexual fetish, I believe. When you're so into killing people that you say it like that, don't you think? Don't you think that's some kind of strange... Well, there's something wrong with this guy. America first, and he even paused. America first is to kill people. And then he added on, you know, who shoot missiles at us. The guy has a screw loose. And props to Miss Welker there, because she certainly knows how to get the best out of him. That was good. Well, the booker, give the booker credit. They booked him at the beginning. Yes, people are riveted. They're on their screens. We can't believe what this guy is saying. All right, you got anything else on Iran here you want to finish up? I mean, I don't want to. No, we should probably wrap it up. And people want to know what we see. First, I got an AJ Al Jazeera clip. This is, I called, this is an example of a

of Iranian, Baghdad Bob. This is a Baghdad Bob. This is a bunch of them. Now Iran's foreign minister has been speaking to US media about Saraj. He has acknowledged that Iran may have lost a few commanders but that it wasn't quote such a big problem. He also said that Iran was open to dialogue. If Americans want to talk to us, they know how they can contact me. We are certainly interested for de-escalation. This is not our war. This is an imposed war against us. This is a war of choice by the United States and they have to pay for that. And actually also stress that Iran would not give up its right to enrich uranium. Uranium. Okay. And now I just want to play this one. This is the BBC and this is a, I thought was an interesting, unexpected, they bring these guys on, these experts and

And they're kind of giddy in an unexpected way. This is Iran unexpected BBC report. Okay, let's talk more about this breaking news at this hour with my guests here. Ben and Ben Taleiblou is with me, senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and our colleague Hasha Jornady. He's the BBC Persian Washington correspondent. Gentlemen, it's great to have you both in the studio on this momentous day. The US and Israel launching strikes on Iran. Iran then launching strikes across the region, it says, in retaliation. Khashoggi, I want to start with you because you have been in touch with contacts in Iran, in Tehran. What have you been hearing? Well, what I've been hearing in the past couple of hours after the announcement that there's a possibility of Ayatollah Khamenei being killed is that the sense I'm getting is a sense of celebratory mood in Tehran and other places I've talked. Many people left Tehran, evacuated Tehran as

the war started. And many of them have the habit of going to the southern coast of the Caspian Sea. The city's there, people have villas there, go stay there. The roads are full of traffic, cars are at a standstill. The moment the possibility of death was announced, people just get out of their cars and start dancing. There are videos on social media from Tehran, you're seeing firecrackers, you're hearing people celebrating, cheers erupting in the capital. So many people, they haven't forgotten that last month thousands of people were killed while the government tried to suppress the protests.

They haven't forgotten this. And that was the last chapter of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's leadership, 36 years of leadership, as Alistair Said just said. So that was the closing chapter of his rule, if it's verified that he's been killed. People haven't forgotten that. That's why you're seeing what you see today in Tehran, other parts of the country, you hear people are cheering up, they're happy. That's the reason. Now it's going to come down to the PR war in the United States. The media is just waiting, just waiting to pounce because we're going to go straight back to the midterms. Any sign of this going wrong, of it not making any difference, they're going to pounce, they're going to do everything they can. The Persians I know, and in America we call them Persians, they are very happy. They're like, we've been waiting for this for decades.

The Israelis that I know who are like, well, you know, we'll probably get hit, but we want it too. It seems in general, like if this can really happen and we can do business with a new Iran and get our oil companies in, goodbye BP, out you go. With Saudi Arabia now contributing to, you know, the board, I guess they want to jump on the board of peace. I mean, this really could be a game changer. And it could be a big deal for the midterms. Yes. You're right. That's why they have to reverse the course here in terms of the public relations. This has to be quashed. Well, what I'd do is if I was working at NBC,

I'd have Lindsey Graham just, I'd clip that over and over again. America First is killing people. Tonight- Well just keep booking him. Just keep booking him. Keep booking him. Get that guy on again. He's great. He's the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well. It's either the most strategic, amazing gambit ever. And NBC, yeah. Just to answer some, yes of course this is about oil but it's not necessarily about Iranian oil. It's about the control of the Straits of Hormuz which has been under threat for years with the hoodies. The hoodies. They've been a very painful pain in the butt for everybody.

So, yeah, of course it's about oil. Oil is always the game. That is the world. Without oil... The entire Western civilization is built on burning stuff. Yes. Yes, so of course. But it's not like the Trump brothers are going to move in and start up an oil company. No, that's the Bushes. That's what they did. All right, the second clip here from BBC. Yeah, this is this is kind of a follow up from the other guy because this first guy I don't think they expect him to go on and on about how. happy everybody is and so they bring the second guy and he kind of reaffirms that this is this is a Anticlimactic but it worth playing Ben. How do you see this with these reports again? We've heard President Trump now say that the Supreme Leader is dead The Israelis are saying that as well. The Iranians are saying that's not the case. But despite all that Where do you see where things stand right now for Iran and its leadership? I

Well, great to be with you on this historic moment, Sumit, also in studio with our friend, Ghashayar from BBC Persian. No doubt this is an inflection point not just in the 47-year history of the Islamic Republic, but potentially even if operations continue in the larger U.S.-Iran relationship here. We know in President Trump's comments in the video, I should say, the one he posted earlier as military operations against the Islamic Republic were underway, the last part he actually alluded to something that the Iranian people could do to take back their government. Much of that will depend on the nature of the targeting if Israel and America pushes through or pushes past what's left of Iran's security state. Make no mistake, Ali Khamenei was the region's longest-serving autocrat. He was the second supreme leader in the Islamic Republic.

part of his success for those 30 plus years was institutionalizing his power. So now it will remain to be seen if Washington, if Jerusalem will go after that apparatus of oppression, will go after what's left of command and control, will drill down to foster defections from below so that unit level cohesion of the security forces so that local initiative is taken over by local fear and that the guns go to the sides rather than continue to be turned against the population or turned against Israel, America and perhaps even more importantly we should say here Iran's Arab neighbors. There are some here who are taking a premature victory lap that potentially you could have a military government come in something a la South Korea and engagement with military governments would lead to modernization, westernization and then democratization.

Oh, okay. Well, yes, anticlimactic but true, I think. They're seeing it for what it is. Yeah. The BBC, I think, I listened to all these foreign sources for most of this stuff and I have to say really it was very, I thought they were quite good at their reporting. All right, back to Epstein. Yeah, oh yeah. Back to Epstein. Bill Gates in a Wall Street Journal exclusive. apologized to staff at the Gates Foundation not only over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein but also to affairs with Russian women. Russian hookers. Bill, oh Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. And these Russian girls can be pretty attractive.

And it just keeps on, the hits just keep on coming over there with the European royalty and elites. He is a former Norwegian MP and a former foreign minister for Norway and was CEO and president of the World Economic Forum till this Thursday. Borge Brende has resigned that role following a series of revelations relating to his past contacts with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. After careful consideration, I've decided to step down as president and CEO of the World Economic Forum. My time here, spanning eight and a half years, has been profoundly rewarding.

The statement issued by the WEF made no mention of Epstein. Brenda has told Norwegian media he was sorry about how he handled his dealings with the disgraced American financier, which included business dinners, and that he didn't want the issue to distract from the forum's work. Text messages from 2018 and 2019 released among the Epstein files appear to show a friendly tone between the two men, with Brenda in one contact in March 2018 saying, Dear Jeff, thanks for a very interesting dinner on Thursday. Food for thought. You're a brilliant host. Warmly Borga back in Geneva. Oh, no their last communication was a week before Epstein was arrested in 2019 Mentioned in the Epstein files does not imply any wrongdoing The former minister is one of several prominent Norwegians who have faced scrutiny following the latest release of Epstein files Yes, and the scandal the scandal is that the Norwegian the entire Norwegian press corps colluded with each other and

to repress the news of former Prime Minister Jagland's attempted suicide in wake of the Epstein probe. They kept it quiet for a week, I'm not quite sure why, but that's a big news scandal over there. I don't know why they would do that. Here's a typical France tweet. They're in bed with the government. Gambling? Here's your typical French 24 coverage of the Clinton hearing. This guy just, he's like, and he sounds like a showbiz guy. I'm not quite sure why they brought him in, but he's up there. He's in Chappaqua, Chappaquiddick, Chappaqua, wherever, New York, upstate New York, where the Clintons gave their testimony.

And he just throws the whole kitchen sink and everything he's heard like, bleh. What were the biggest takeaways for you? Well, you have to understand that this truly is political theater. When Representative Comer said that the hearings yesterday were predominant, he was right. If you look at it from his perspective, and his perspective is that he has an audience of one, and that one is Donald Trump. Donald Trump wants to distract the American public. More specifically, he wants to distract the MAGA base. From his own involvement, Donald Trump was very clearly a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. They broke publicly. But Donald Trump is much more vulnerable in the Epstein files than certainly than Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton. So the point here is to serve as a distraction because the one thing that Donald Trump can't allow... I know! Isn't that amazing? How do you get from A to B in this case? There's nothing but tons of photos of

Clinton wearing good kimonos and Clinton in the in the tub with Ghislaine and Clinton here and Clinton there with some chick on his lap. Stay with it. Much more vulnerable in the Epstein files than certainly than Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton. So the point here is to serve as a distraction because the one thing that Donald Trump can't allow is for the MAGA base to fracture over the Epstein files and there are people who are Very important to the MAGA base Joe Rogan Theo Vaughn. They're talking about what? There are people very important in the MAGA base Joe Rogan Theo Vaughn I would say they're the least important in the MAGA base. They're not in the base Not at all to fracture over the Epstein files and there are people who are

Very important to the MAGA base, Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn. They're talking about the Epstein files. Donald Trump wants them to be talking about the Epstein files and the Clintons rather than the Epstein files and Donald Trump. Trump came out and said he didn't even like the idea of Bill being there giving testimony. He made a point of it. And the Clintons rather than the Epstein files and Donald Trump and specifically why Trump's Department of Justice hasn't released The files that were mentioned also, there's something like 50 pages of files on this most recent accusation from a woman who was a minor and she accuses... This is the same tired old 1996... And this is the one you brought out and deconstructed in the last show, this 13 year old supposed 13, 14 year old girl... Withdrew the lawsuit themselves... Who did everything in advance of the election and once the election

was underway then they pulled it because they didn't really have any evidence. President Trump of having committed some kind of sexual assault again that's not corroborated that is the last thing. Not corroborated. How about the lawsuit was dropped? Oh goodness. President Trump of having committed some kind of sexual assault again that's not corroborated that is the last thing Donald Trump wants. the MAGA base to be focused on, look over here, look over here at Hillary Clinton, who he still thinks, I guess, he thinks people are still obsessed with Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton, who have not held public office for quite some time. I'm surprised the guy didn't say, well, you know, it was so salacious that Trump decided to bomb Iran. I mean, that's the only thing left that he could have said.

It's crazy. I'm surprised that hasn't been already said a couple of times. I'm sure we just haven't seen it yet. It's coming. They have to do these things in order. So here's a former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, wife to Bill. and answering questions from the, giving a statement and answering questions of the press after she and Bill testified behind closed doors, what was video recorded and will be transcribed. Well, I have just finished testifying. I answered every one of their questions as fully as I could.

Based on what I knew and what I knew is what I said in my statement this morning. I never met Jeffrey Epstein, never had any... What? There's a lot of pictures of you with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. Yeah, the problem is they've been salted with fake pictures. Oh. Which are all over the place. Like the one where she's holding his tie. Yeah, that's fake. Yeah. Okay. connection or communication with him. I knew Delane Maxwell casually as an acquaintance, but whenever they asked me, I did my very best to respond.

It was disappointing that they refused to hold a public hearing, so I wouldn't have to be out here characterizing it for you. You could have seen it for yourself. We had asked for that. We think it would have been better for the committee and its efforts to gather whatever information they are seeking. We had a bit of a challenge in the beginning because we agreed upon rules based on the fact it was going to be a closed hearing at their demand and one of the members violated that rule which was very upsetting because it suggested that they might violate other of our agreements. What do you think that was? What do you think the violation was?

It was the photo Luna Luna took her phone out and took a picture of Hillary talking and gave it to one of the bloggers, some online guy. And they posted it during the right during, you know, everyone has to break the news. Yes. So they posted it right during the questioning and it got right back to Hillary. It's almost as though it's rigged to do this. Yeah, something's fishy about the whole process, but and then so I'm not talking anymore you guys just broke the rules Well, here's my favorite piece of what she said

I don't know how many times I had to say I did not know Jeffrey Epstein. I never went to his island. I never went to his home. I never went to his offices. So it's on the record numerous times. It then got at the end quite unusual because I started being asked about UFOs and a series of questions about Pisa Gate. one of the most vile, bogus conspiracy theories that was propagated on the internet, that was serving as the basis of a member's questions to me. I wonder if they asked her about frazzledrip. That's the question. What do you know about frazzledrip?

Restate that. Oh no, frazzle drip. Is that about taking the skin off the baby or something? Yes, yes. That bull crap. Her and Uma, Uma Abedin. Uma, yeah, they're taking skin off people and putting on their own faces. That frazzle drip, baby. Seen from Silence of the Lambs. Final bit was a question from the press about, well, but Ghislaine was at Chelsea's wedding. She came as the plus one, the guest of someone who was invited.

I don't know when the video will be out. I don't know when the transcript will be out. We've asked that they be out as quickly as possible and then you can see. Listen, listen to the very last one. We heard from Bill Gates concerns about Epstein trying to blackmail him. Oh, the poor woman. Why would she know about that anyway? No, this is... And the other thing is, the question that would have come to mind if I was out there is who is the plus one? A plus one of a guest that was invited. That's what I would... Yes, that's what I would be. Who was the guest? Jeffrey Epstein, of course. That's what it has to be. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the regime chain. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and the only, Mr. John.

There's nothing like a good bombing to bring the trolls back. Almost 2300. We're almost back. That's right. More bombing! More bombing, please! It brings everybody back. I know what it is. You know, yes, this is like the news business. Yes. Epitomized by, nobody cares. There can be great stuff that we're doing on a twice a week basis. Duh, no, no, no. Gotta have a bombing. Bombing works.

Well, it'd be very interesting to see. We of course will continue to deconstruct everything as it comes in and as we see it. And I'm glad that I'm home for these couple of weeks because there's just a lot to consume. Yeah, you'd be in a bomb shelter right now. Yeah, with Sir Brian of London. What are we doing here, man? Anyway, thank you for being here, trolls, and listening live at noagendastream.com or on those fancy, very modern, and sophisticated podcast apps. Get them at podcastapps.com where not only can you get the show and be notified within 90 seconds when we release it, unlike the legacy apps, but

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He's a talkative guy. Yes, he says, uh, this is usually what I do with John. I take a gummy and call Dvorak. I'm like, Oh, he does do that once in a while. He's done that. And you can tell it's like, okay, that was great. Giggling. And usually Alex is in the background, chiding him, telling him to get off the phone. He's the one that tells him to call you. I think, I think she's in love with you. Oh, well, good. She should be. Yeah. Well, there's something to be said about that. So, uh, we want to thank the artist for episode 1846, that was Nessworks, who was a classic artist. And I'm pretty sure this was not an AI piece that he did.

I don't think so. Oh, yeah, maybe it was done, yeah, this could not have been, yeah, this was controversial because this was one of these pieces, I had to agree with you, you're the one that pushed for this one. With the argument, which is hard to beat, which is it's different, so different, it's so different that we need something to vary the look, and it had to be, I think it had to be done by hand. He did the no agenda files kind of a I mean how how could AI even come up with the idea? No He inputs suffering suck attach in there suffering suck attach Existential future it's a boondoggle media. It was just as a nice piece 33 cents

And it was. It just looked so different. We liked it a lot. Thank you very much, Nessworks. That was for our episode 1846. We're titled Thumbstick Flick. I want to just do a quick look and see if there was anything. There were some other pieces we discussed. I'm quite sure. Yeah, there was a few decent ones. Let me see. That was the one I was pushing for. I can't figure out which one it was. Yeah, I know which one it was. You wanted, let me scroll down here. Man, there's a lot of art that's already come. Well, we both thought the The Kash Patel with the bug eyes on the plane yelling bomb with the US hockey team. Yeah, that was funny.

That was funny, but wasn't gonna be picked. I kind of like Ness. Oh, no you like this sexy podcast Which was I like that, but that's cuz you're colorblind yes, I thought Dan ob-gyn for but plugs were humorous and of course yeah, you had this thing you you're preoccupied with this you should get a gut-filled show There was something else that you liked. It was between one or the other if I recall. You said this one or that one. Oh, I like the dog. The dog on the moon. Yeah. Back to faking to faking moon with a little puppy where they what are those things are called? Pomeranian little Pomeranian comes for bloggers art favor. That's his fate. He likes butts and Pomeranian dogs. That's he does he likes Pomeranians Oh, he loves Pomeranians. Yeah. Well, they're the most annoying little dog. Here's some more bonus content speaking of the moon It was really a surprise announcement to be clear. NASA was always

going to the moon right but now they've added even more flights and they like that part NASA was always going to the moon right mm-hmm to be clear NASA was always going to the moon right but now I've added even more lights and they've changed Artemis three let me first tell you about Artemis two right that's the rocket we thought was going to launch this month now they've moved it up to April they got to work on a on a technical issue with a helium problem in the upper stage and then they hopefully will launch that four-person crew around the moon, looping around the moon, probably by the end of April or so. But what they did today was they announced Artemis III, which they said was going to land on the moon, it's not anymore. That's Artemis III will in fact be an orbital mission around the Earth because they want to test out the systems. And then they've added two more lunar landing missions, Artemis IV and V.

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With $2,447 this is not his typical Number. Oh wait, did he do a five and a two? Did he have a two dollar bill with a five? Is that what he did this time? No, he had three three two bills and a one the first time ever there was a one hmm It was a crew. I have a I decoded this. Well, let me just first tell everyone it is Yeah, read the note first. Sir. Honour miss of dog patch and lower slobovia. I He is a long time supporter. He always feels that he gets tremendous value and his notes are always interesting. The amounts he sends are always high and code.

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May this Ramadan and Lenten season be a time of peace, reflection and reinforcement of core beliefs for all producers despite efforts to have you question them. Ramadan Mubarak! No jingles, no karma. Thank you. He always has a spiritual message of some sort. And in this case it is for Ramadan which he observes and celebrates. And of course for Lent. So he's in the Middle East or something. He knows something about something or other, I think. And now I'm gonna start thinking about these codes more often. This particular one, I first looked at it, I said, this is not his normal kind of number. And I'm thinking, well, 24 is 2024 and the 47th president was elected. And that's like, then I said, but then I changed it completely. He knew what was gonna happen on Saturday.

This is a, these are two codes, 47 years of Islamic rule in, and 24 is the police code for assignment finished. It's a defunct police code. You can look it up. Code 24, code 24 assignment over. I'm on my, I'm done. We're done. The 47th year, done. And he sent it, when did we receive this? He sent it... Well, it came in on Friday. He sent it a week ago at least. And he had to send it like sometime earlier. So this again, of course, Epic, what is it called? Epic Blow Up or whatever the hell. Epic Fury. Epic Fury was named way in advance. This whole thing was planned, like I said.

And this guy happened to be, he knew about what was going on somehow and he sends us just a little subtle message. Just wink wink, nudge nudge. That he knew about it and here it is 2447, Simon Over, 47 years of Islamic rule in Iran. Nice. I have to say now, I think that's what, I think I've done it. And now I think I can crack all those codes. All right, all right. We look forward to your next code as always. Thank you. Sir Anonymous of Dogpats in Lower Slobovia, a long-term high value supporter and producer of the No Agenda podcast.

Now we have Brian Mossman, who has written before in Rancho Santa Maria or Margarita or whatever. I can't cut off here. Margarita, Margarita. Margarita in California. Came in with a thousand with no note that I can find and it's not in my email. It's not mine either. He usually sends it, doesn't he? I've seen some of them. Yeah, he does communicate. So we'll get a note from him eventually. But this is a thousand dollars so he gets a double up card. And then Sir Salahouser, also someone who has certainly written notes before. Did something go wrong? Sometimes PayPal doesn't do that right? I mean could that be what has happened here? I have no idea. It doesn't matter. We will gladly read your note after the fact and he's in Melbourne, Florida and he sends us $600 missing a note. So for now a double up karma. You've got

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Who's coming? Hey! Yeah. Hey, budge galoop. Valerio, Valerio taking care of you. It's good, it's good. Yes, and we had some from Oregon, from the Oregon Rogue Valley. They had it on the list. Yeah, I can't think of any I've had from that particular area recently. Of course, we only had a glass so I forget the name of it. And I think it's a fairly recent appellation. I don't think it's from 20 years ago. No. Hey, there's Dame Astrid and Sir Mark. They are the Archduchess and Archduke of Japan in all disputed islands in the Japan Sea. 222.22 cents. They are also some of our longest standing producers, have been with us a long, long time, and they are super famous and talented.

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We're in trouble now. Aspect to the blood is missing in RH negative people. A very small portion of the population is RH negative and there seems to be no relationship to our primate ancestors with these folks. You look into it. Something worth checking out. Eli the Coffee Guy is up in Bentonville, Illinois at 203.01. He sent in a very lengthy note. This is just the part he wanted read. And he had all kinds of complimentary stuff about the two of us. I should forward it to you, Signe. Yes, please do. It is finally time I humbly ask to be declared a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable. Today, March 1st, marks my 46th trip around the sun and I cannot think of a better way... I don't know if he's on the birthday list. He is. Oh yeah, he is. Okay. I cannot think of a better way to celebrate than a knighthood.

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And I should mention that these are real show business credits and if anyone ever questions that we will gladly vouch for you. Well, this was a piece of interesting news that I got from CBS. I want to ask you about another standoff between the Pentagon and Anthropic. She's talking to Mike Turner, which is the only AI company whose products are used in classified systems for things like target ID, Intel assessments and battlefield simulations.

This morning, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that their AI was in fact used in these operations even though Secretary Hegseth and Trump ordered it to be cut off due to this contractual dispute over the use of the model. Anthropic CEO told CBS in an exclusive interview that it is up to Congress to act here to really create clarity as to how AI can be used. It's clearly essential if the Pentagon is still using it in this operation. Will Congress act here? I mean, this is something that they're gonna have to deal with and come to Congress before this is, obviously in this particular circumstances, I'm unaware of this particular issue. This is gonna have to be something that is gonna have to be dealt with in more detail than obviously an interview on CBS.

You got no answer because you have no idea what's going on, but this thing is heating up Here is that the Yahoo financial team to talk the lady from Axios Explains what the feud is between the Department of War and Anthropic Here's what's at the heart of this of this dispute right now the Pentagon essentially wants to be able to use Anthropics AI model Claude however it sees fit But it doesn't want to be in a position where every single time it has to do an operation or do something of national security concerns, it has to check in with a company and make sure that it's following that company's specific safeguards.

The problem with that is that Anthropic has two very clear red lines with its usage policies that it does not want crossed, even by the Pentagon, which are mass surveillance of Americans and autonomous weapons. The Pentagon is not having that. They're saying we should be able to use your technology the way that we want, and that is what it's setting up a Friday deadline. We know that Claude was used during the Maduro raid. Right, so it was a very successful operation from the Pentagon. Claude was used. I'd like to know what exactly it was used for, right? This is the

The fuzzy stuff. Well, we know it was used in the Maduro raid, right? No, I didn't know that. And how was it used? Did they ask a question like, is now a good time? I mean, what exactly was it used for? And that is what it's setting up a Friday deadline. We know that that cloud was used during the Maduro. Hold on a second. One more thing. If you can say, if the person says, we know That it has been used for... good point. If you know... Then you can answer the question, well then how was it? Your exact question should be reiterated. Well if you know it was used, then how was it? Well we don't know how it was used, we just know it was used. Well then you don't know anything. ...up a Friday deadline. We know that Claude was used during the Maduro raid, right? So it was a very successful operation from the Pentagon. Claude was used. There were no hiccups there. Hiccups, a new word for bug.

It's hiccups is the new glitch. There were no word for glitch. Yeah It was a very successful operation from the Pentagon Claude was used there were no hiccups there And of course the public doesn't know how these how this technology is being used in classified settings But we can surmise that there was no need for mass surveillance and there was no need for autonomous weapons Anthropic's usage policies were not violated and yet the Pentagon was able to carry out a very successful operation. Wait a minute, so the Pentagon has to read the terms of service before using CLAWD? Is that what I'm hearing her say, right? The second thing here with regard to the all lawful purposes standard that the Pentagon is trying to have, not just Anthropic but all of the AI labs adhere to, is that the law right now doesn't necessarily contemplate

all of AI's applications. And so in the case of mass surveillance, for example, it is legal today for the government to collect data that is public. So, for example, social media posts, concealed carry permits, if you attended a rally or a protest, voter registration rolls. The government can legally collect all of that data, and then you can imagine how injecting artificial intelligence can supercharge the in real time continuous analysis of that data to specifically target and surveil people. And that is kind of what is alarming, you know, not just anthropic but civil liberties groups and folks on Capitol Hill as well. This is nonsense. This is just a woman. She's from Axios.

This is nonsense. This stuff is no good. It's not, it's a language guesser. That's all that it does. Oh man, I've had so many problems with this thing. With Gemini. Oh, here we go. Yeah. I now have 25 guardrails. You know, it's like, look up the song by Jamie MacDonald. I can't find Jamie MacDonald. Well, Yeah, you can because look for me in this folder. Oh, there's Jamie McDonald. Why couldn't you find it? Well, you misspelled it. What kind of smart person are you? Where's the I in your AI? This kind of stuff.

Well, the tool you gave me does an exact... so you can't do anything. Any idiot human being who only takes three watts of power to keep their brain moving can look at a folder of files and say, oh, he put MC Donald instead of MAC Donald. Well, he must mean that. No, artificial intelligence can't figure that out. You see what I'm saying, Holmes? This stuff is no good. Holmes! I thought I'd throw that in. Meanwhile, Sam Alwyn... Wait, wait, wait, since you introduced that kind of little flippant remark, I have to interrupt a clippage here with a clip I have. Okay.

I don't know, have you heard, did you hear Newsom go on about his 960 SAT score? He was talking to an Atlanta audience. I saw a little bit of it, yeah. Yeah, he's going on. So he's, by the way, bragging about a 960 SAT score just tells everybody in the country he's a dummy. That is a dummy's score for the SAT. So who wants him to be president? Why would you do that? Why would you say that I'm a big dummy? I can't read. Well, I think they left out the best part of this whole thing because I have a clip of Newsom in Atlanta that's I think a little more revealing. You know, I'm basically one of you. I mean, I got a terrible credit score. Sometimes when I go to Red Lobster, I get up and leave without paying. You hear that fire alarm beep? Me neither. I like to talk loud in movie theaters. Love me some fried chicken. You know what I'm saying, brother?

I got many baby daddies. I mean, baby mamas. I got many baby mamas. I just fought at a Waffle House last week, bruh. We hanging out at the barbershop every day, son. No cap. I keeps it real up in this biatch. Again. Well worth the 110 billions that Sam Altman just raised on this. New revenue has got to come into this system. Like people can invest in each other and buy each other stuff and whatever, but if there's not new revenue coming in, that's when you get into there's like nothing here. But revenue is growing so fast, not just for us, but the whole ecosystem, that there's like a massive amount of revenue coming in to support the whole thing.

You look at this guy, he's such a dud. He's uninteresting, he doesn't seem like much of a personality. He has got to be one of the greatest salespeople in the history of sales. And I just don't understand how, I mean, we don't, he's at some level that's cosmic. It's the same as Sam Bankman-Fried. He picked up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing the same thing. I'm a complicated, I'm such a genius that I, you know. It's to me, it's remarkable. This is a moment in time that we should cherish. to witness this.

I think that really if we each had a jet it would just make the show much much better. If we each had a jet. Yeah okay you're right. Just for us, the whole ecosystem. That there's like a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all of this infrastructure so don't worry about that part. Don't worry about Don't worry about that part. Don't worry about the money. Hey, look over here. Don't worry about the money. The whole ecosystem. There's like a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all of this infrastructure. So I don't worry about that part. In terms of any one way. That's the only part we're worried about, Sam, is that there's not enough money coming in to cover the cost. About that part. In terms of

any one layer of the stack failing would cause some real knock-on effects and it's sort of like a very tight supply chain right now. I do worry about that. In terms of not being able to get access to certain technologies, i.e. chips? Yeah, something like that. The other part of their concerns, some have criticized the valuation Opening High has got and said, well, you know, there's intense competition. We've seen things like the deep-seek moment can disrupt markets as well. Your valuation, do you think it's justified? I think so. The revenue. That's up to other. That's like up to a market to decide that I think. And the path to profitability eventually. What does that look like for OpenAI? We are growing at an extremely fast rate right now. I think as long as we can have reasonable unit economics we should focus on continue to grow faster and faster.

and we'll get profitable when we think it makes sense. What we have to realize and enjoy this moment is this is the biggest demo and longest demo that has ever existed in the history of Silicon Valley. John, this stuff is a hoax. They're not going to get to... I like the way you think of it as a hoax. Well, because... I mean, it's... Okay. It's great. I'm on board. The hoaxes were going just a little more power. I'm enjoying the hoax a little bit more. Well, you're actually doing more with the hoax. You're actually using it. You get involved at a deeper level than I do. I kind of just like the surface of it. I'm vibe coding, man. Yeah, you're vibe coding. I am. And I really like it. And it's really good. And as long as it's 20 bucks a month, I'm okay with it. I still, I,

This week I'm going to hook up the guy who sent us, who sent me the Nvidia card. Yeah, the Nvidia card. I'm excited about hooking that up. But the point is, it's not intelligence. It's just not. And they keep telling us that, oh, we're almost there. We'll have it just a little, just a few more lithium crystals, Captain, and we'll be good. No, it's just burning tokens, burning energy. And no one really trusts it because they shouldn't. It's not going to, okay, yes, you can code some things. Sure. It codes itself. Sure. It makes art. Yeah. It makes art and write stuff. Yeah. Right. Stuff. But it's not, but it's not, the money is just insane. And, and, and I think investors have, they have no imagination. All they can think of is,

Sam's gonna do it man. Have you seen Sam's houses and his cars get a clue? What's our stack like our John the no agenda stack it needs to grow so we don't worry about the revenue Just give us more money. It'll be fine. I'm so sick of these people It's pretty pretty This is will bring the economy down. Oh, this is gonna cause the collapse of the market. It's not gonna be a big one Yeah, like 69. I don't think it could be but there will be stoning people like a Sam all know They never do that that's for some reason. I just won't do that They don't I don't know why we can't get to that stone or star and feather even come on What's this? Wall Street Journal podcast producers? What is this? Oh

Somebody sent this to me and I said, oh my God, you know, we, I would ridicule the producers from the various NPR podcasts. They have a thank you list at the end of a podcast that was like 25 people. And this, I think the wall street journal, which has a podcast called the journal, uh, and they, They're worse. I didn't realize it, but I guess if you got the commercial side to it, you can be worse than NPR, and this is the thank yous at the end of a podcast. That's all for today. Friday, February 27th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. The show is made by Catherine Brewer, Kia Gedkari, Isabella Japal, Sophie Codner, Matt Kwang, Colin McNulty, Jessica Mendoza, Annie Minuf, Laura Morris,

Enrique Perez de la Rosa, Sarah Platt, Alan Rodriguez Espinosa, Heather Rogers, Pierce Singhee, Jivika Verma, Lisa Wang, Catherine Whalen, Tatiana Zamise, and me, Ryan Knudsen. Our engineers are Griffin Tanner, Nathan Singapak, and Peter Leonard. Our theme music is by So Wiley. Additional music this week from Catherine Anderson, Peter Leonard, Bobby Lord, Emma Munger, Nathan Singapak, Griffin Tanner, and Blu-Rod Sessions. Fact-checking this week by Najwa Jamal and Mary Mathis. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty long. That's pretty long. Do you need three engineers? No. How many do we have?

One. We don't have any actually. You're the engineer, you do a single hand. Yes. You know, because we're just bringing up names, I can't remember, I said something, you know, Tina said something about, I said, oh, that's, you know, some woman's name Hunt. I said, oh, Mike's sister. And she's like, you are so juvenile. And I said, well, have you never heard about the plane that crashed in San Francisco? She'd never heard this.

She never heard the... No, and I looked at it... Well, this is a good bit to revisit. We do have all of the tapes, all the clips. I figured I'd revisit this and play it for us. The coroner is still trying to determine the cause of death and whether she was already dead when the truck hit her. We have new information now also on the plane crash. KTVU has just learned the names of the four pilots who were on board the flight. They are Captain Sum Ting Wong, We too low holy fuk and bang ding ow the NTSB has confirmed These are the names of the pilots on board flight 214 when it crashed we never really got to the bottom of that did we? We did know who came up with the hook. It was the NTSB. It was one of the engineers at the station and

And they had slipped this in as a joke on the newsreader, because she was notorious. I don't remember her name now, but she's not there anymore. But she would just read, wrote. There was a bunch of people that are newsreaders that just, whatever it says on the prompter, they read it like a robot. Yeah, read it, go for it, yeah, read it. And so they found one of them and they gave her, and I think the guy got fired. You think? Way too low. Here at No Agenda you get promoted. Way too low. You go to the top of the No Agenda stack when you do stuff like that. That's fantastic. Something wrong.

Amidst all of the hullabaloo over Iran, etc., there's one extra little bit that I don't know if it has gotten a lot of play. It probably isn't interstitial. This is from France 24. It's something the president said. An island cut off from oil and seeking deeper into crisis. It's been over a month since Cuba received its last oil shipment from Mexico, a result of threats from the American president to impose tariffs on any country that delivered oil to the communist nation. Now Donald Trump is offering a takeover and says Havana is in talks with his Secretary of State. The Cuban government is talking with us and they're in a big deal of trouble as you know.

No money, they have no anything right now. But they're talking with us and maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba. The island nation only produces 40% of its own fuel and mainly relies on oil to power their energy grid. Blackouts are now endemic and petrol is being rationed, bus routes suspended. The UN is increasingly concerned. The situation is serious, I think, and it is evolving quite rapidly and it carries a real risk for human suffering. The energy shortages are quite prolonged and do not

will not remain as technical problems, they become humanitarian emergencies. The fuel crisis is causing Cubans to adapt as best they can, with many turning to bikes. So the president says we could probably have a friendly takeover of Cuba. Yeah. That's interesting. And Rubio's on point. Rubio wants to be the guy running Cuba. Yeah, well but I'm going to quit my job as Secretary of State and take over Cuba. That would not surprise me. I'd rather he run the United States. I'm liking him. Yeah, he might end up doing that. I'm liking him. So it looks like there are free Iran rallies happening now and of course the obligatory hands off Iran Trump!

So it's already starting. It's already starting. Yeah, with already pre-printed signs. Oh yeah, no, they're totally pre-printed. And they were printed before the whole thing started. The Socialist Workers Party. They're out already. So I have one last clip and a commentary. We had to... I played this story about the woman who stuck her underwear in the coffee maker. Yes, very disturbing. Well, that's... Okay, here's a follow-up story where she's gotten sued supposedly. This is an AI voice. It doesn't sound like one, but there's a giveaway in there. I want to see if you can spot it. And all AI voices do this, make the same mistake that you're going to hear in this report. I have only one clip and it says part two. It says, yes. Okay. That's the one? Yeah. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the thesis is,

that this is a bogus story, it never really happened. The whole thing was done as a publicity stunt with the, this being part of it, this is part of the publicity stunt, as a promotion for Starbucks. Starbucks, get people so they don't drink coffee in the room. Long game, I like it. And the new guy, and I talked about this on DH Unplugged, some time back when I picked it on our game, I picked Starbucks because they have a new, marketing guy that took over as CEO and he's come up with all these schemes. He's the guy that came up with the little teddy bear and all these other things. They're doing all kinds of new ideas at Starbucks and I think this is part of it. I think whoever says Starbucks, I think they're right. This is bullcrap. What you're going to hear is bullcrap. The whole thing is bullcrap. I think someone just had three drinks in one go. A TikTok creator is facing a lawsuit after posting a controversial hotel hack online.

Tara Woodcox, who describes herself as a health and nutrition blogger, shared a video showing people how to wash underwear using a hotel coffee maker while traveling. In the video, Tara explains that if you run out of clean underwear, you can place it inside the coffee filter compartment, close the lid, and press the brew button. The machine then sprays hot water over the fabric. She suggests drying the underwear with a bathroom hair dryer before wearing it again. The video quickly went viral. Many viewers said this is exactly why they avoid using hotel coffee machines. Days later, several guests realized they had stayed at the same hotel as Tara and had already used the in-room coffee makers. Some filed complaints and demanded compensation. To calm the situation, the hotel reportedly offered refunds to recent guests.

and replaced all coffee machines on the property. The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 million in damages for financial loss and reputational harm. The story has sparked debate online about responsibility and hygiene while traveling. After hearing this, would you still use a hotel coffee machine? Well, where's the Starbucks part? Is that they're playing the long game on that? That's somebody who sent this clip said they believe this is a thesis of one of our producers. Hmm. And that's why this is bogus in this. So this is bogus in the click in there. That was that was to me and I've heard this before. Oh, the AI click is the one dollar million.

$1 million? She said $1 million. Oh, oh let me... From the situation the hotel reportedly offered refunds to... The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 million in damages... You nailed it. Or it could just be a gen zetter. Because that's how they write it. No, because when you write it out, when you write it... Yeah, someone at Gen Z wrote it out because that's how... They don't do dollar sign one million, they do one million dollar sign. Have you not noticed this? Well, this was written out by a normal person because when you write normally, when you normally write a million, you write... you put a dollar sign one. I'm going to tell you that Gen Z, there's a lot of them who are writing one million dollar sign.

Well, that's not what this was. Well, no, but when they wrote the prompt, they wrote it that way. No, when they wrote the prompt, they wrote normally. When you normally write $1 million, you put a dollar sign one, then the word million. Yeah, no, but what I'm telling you is that is not what people do normally anymore. No, what you're saying is the Zeds don't do that normally. A writer, a professional writer always writes the dollar sign one with the word million. That's how you do it. And that's what she said. I know! Now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 million in damages for financial loss. $1 million? Oh, I see what you're saying.

Okay, the whole thing is just messing with my brain. I can't believe I'm still stuck on the panties in the coffee thing. Sorry. It's a it's a The point is is that this AI gives itself up because for some reason they can't say a million dollars Unless you write if you're writing copy for AI you write over a million dollars not a dollar one dollar million Okay, so what you're saying is this was an AI story? Oh I'm saying this was the AI presentation. They never mention a hotel. They never mention where this was. The whole thing that in the beginning, the woman who said did the panty story never said where she was. The whole thing is bogus. It's the sell Starbucks. I'm gonna show my support by donating to KnowAgenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on KnowAgenda, morning.

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A short list, but doesn't make them less important. Sir Steve Weiss wishes his smoking hot wife Stephanie a happy birthday. She's celebrating on the 27th. Eli the coffee guy turns 46 years old today. And John Gardner wishes his son, Sir Richard Gardner, a happy birthday. He'll be turning 40 years old on March 3rd. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the Best Podcast in the universe! Now we do have a layaway knight here, that is the same John Gardner who just congratulated his son. And here's his note. Adam and John have been laying it away every month since 2018 and it's time I claim my knighthood. Yeah. I'll keep it brief. Knight name, Sir John General. Some tips for Brits to get to get, quotes, no agenda. So this is if you are a Brit and you're like, what are these guys about?

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Is that another get John out of the house meetup? So did he move it to the 11th? That's what it says on my list. That's interesting. Yeah, I'll be, yeah, I always go to that one. It's interesting because I will have the Fredericksburg meetup on April 11th. Oh, it'll be a showdown. Okay. It'll be a donation showdown. There you go. April 11th. Let's see. Let's go Albany. We can beat these guys. Come on, Texas. We can do a lot better than those West Coast morons. They suck in Texas. They don't donate. They don't know what they're doing. They're cheap. Noagendameetups.com. They're cheap. Noagendameetups.com. We will beat California's butt any day. If you can't find one, start one yourself.

Always like a party. Hey, we're about ready for John's tip of the day, which is another highlight of the show. Before we get to that though, we always want to determine what we'll use at the end of show as an ISO. I have three, you have two. Shall I start? Yes, please. Okay, here's my first one. It's over guys. We are done. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of over, done. Here's another one. They're just freaking good. Which is true. And this one I just thought was really funny. Mad. Isn't it mad? It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. Can you play the video again? Yeah, sure. Happy to. It's over guys. We are done. That's the first one. They're just freaking good. The second one and the third one. Mad. Isn't it mad? It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. Okay, uh... Can you beat him? Well, I've got... I picked some stuff up from the Trump speeches. Mm-hmm.

And I, let's try the first one here which is Best Tea. Yup, the best podcast in the universe. Rumi, Rumi and Boomy. Yeah, well it's a little Boomy because he's got a Boomy voice. Yeah. Alright, try the other one. When I'm not bombing Iran, I'm listening to No Agenda. I'll leave it up to you. I mean, I think it's either this one, which is this one. When I'm not bombing Iran, I'm listening to no agenda. Towards this one. Isn't it mad? It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. You choose. I like that one because I can't hear it really. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. Isn't it mad? It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. No, it's no. All right, we'll do when I'm not bombing Iran. We'll do that one. It's fine. It's good. It's okay. You get a win.

With your AI Trump. Okay, it's all fine. Is that, where'd you get those from? The people send those to you? Or have you loaded that up from 11 labs? No, I got a new source. Ah, well, more on that next week. But first, time for John's Tip of the Day! Great advice for you and me, just the tip with JC Dean. And sometimes Adam. Okay, now this is for Californians. This is the tip of the day for Californians. It's gonna be a tip of the day for everybody because of what's happening with our, the ban on plastics. So what's happened here in the Bay Area and it's just everywhere now, and it's gonna, the whole country is gonna be stuck with these biodegradable plastic produce bags.

So when you go to the store, I mean some people if they're really nuts, they go to the store, they just, they don't even put it in a bag. They just, they don't care. They just put it in their pocket. Just take it in. They put it in their pockets and then they put it in their own bag. They brought a bag to the store because they're really conscientious. But you don't bring bags to the store? You seem like a bag kind of guy. No, why would I bring bags to the store when I can get a double bag, bag, a nice paper bags that I can use for other purposes? Okay. I didn't know you were bringing a dirty old bag to the store because these bags are all dirty. These people bring these dirty old bags and they stuff stuff in them. Dirty old bag. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So the plastic bags they now have in the produce sections of most stores in the Bay Area, at least starting, it's going to be everywhere, are these biodegradable

degradable plastic bags. And so they biodegrade in the refrigerator, rot in the refrigerator within three days with the fruit or vegetables inside and because the bag is rotting so is the fruit and vegetables. The stuff goes bad instantly. Don't you take your fruit out of the bag when you bring it home? Well, if I'm going to put in the refrigerator, I'm just going to put a piece of raw, raw stuff in the refrigerator with no covering. Am I going to take it out of a bag and then wrap it in Saran wrap? What am I supposed to do? I don't know. This is a conundrum. No, I used to use a nice plastic bag and then I put whatever it's in. So I pull the bag, I look, see what's in the bag. There's some herbs in there, maybe some lettuce, maybe some cabbage, who knows? Who knows?

You're gonna have to do the following. Buy your own plastic produce bags on a roll from Amazon for 12 bucks, 12 by 16 inch plastic produce bags on a roll, they're about 12 bucks. It's made with real, normal plastic that doesn't rot in the refrigerator and rot the fruit with it. And you buy a roll, it's 350 bags of rolls, 12 bucks, it turns out, so I bought one, I'm starting to use it because of this, I gotta go to the store, I buy whatever I buy, a couple tomatoes, and I take them out and put them in this bag. It's a disgusting situation, but that's just the way it is, and I would recommend buying these

plastic produce bag on a roll. That's your tip. Everyone, believe me, you're gonna need this. You're gonna need them. Stock up now while stocks last. There it is, John's tip of the day. Noagendafund.com, tip of the day at that. Creative advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCB. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Burnetti. Well. Do you actually ever shop? Oh yeah, of course I do. And I use the best, we have, HEB has the regular rolls that don't, they're not biodegradable, because you know why? Because we're Texans. Yeah, that is not going to last. We don't do that California stuff. I'll give you one year. Okay, put it in the red book, you will lose it. We don't do that stuff here, man.

We got bags. We love our bags. And they don't charge us for any bags. Just use it. H-E-B. Hey, if you want to, you can stay tuned to your modern podcast app or if you're on noagendastream.com. Coming right up, we got just two good old boys. It's Sir Gene and the dude named BenNameBen. We do that show. It's quite enjoyable. Followed by some end of show mixes from MVP and the one and only Dee's Laughs. I think you'll enjoy these. And we will return on Thursday, March 5th. That'll be my sister's birthday. I have to put her on the birthday list. Looking forward to it already. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, Fredericksburg, where we do great meetups. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday. Until then, remember us at noagendathedonations.com. Adios, mofos! A-hooey-hooey and such. No more. These words are banned.

millennial stop stop saying six seven a doubting aesthetic appropriate binge by the way desist from muttering canonically chopped classy create a cringe curated just quit with these words by the way the lulu drip dump dupe during the pandemic stop Stop eatery, elevated for the plot by the way Fun fact, gifted girl, dinner, hard lunch I'm in my blank era, I YK, YK, just stop saying Luke K Making X a whole person, L-O-V-E, mid By the way, multi-hyphenate, not on my bingo card Coded, max, pilled, quiet, luxury, riz Shitpost, so this is crazy by the way

Soft launch, the blank of it all Touch grass on a live leaf, real begging stop with unvibe By the way, iconic Canonically, it's not on my bingo card to see a multi-affinate in their quiet luxury A hard launch amid vibe that's so cringe it makes me wanna touch grass, by the way I know we've talked about Robert Maxwell, T.P. Man, but basically you owned all of the scientific publications, didn't you? Didn't you have that with his publishing empire? Publishing textbooks and responsible for Common Core The Maxwell name will be remembered, that's for sure The Maxwell name will be remembered, that's for sure Yo, he wasn't sure Robert, he died in the Canary Islands in 91 Maybe someone thought he would sing like one, especially under suspicion Due in court the day he died, he owed 5 billi, but they sued him for 60

million I mean they tried Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well just late ran the family business well she was the youngest of nine sentenced to 20 years of crimes no names were provided but no one minds Trump saying that I wish her well was it another sign or a subtle tell of honky teaming up to recruit young girls But I mean they did this all the time all over the world, ayy Now we have a line Check the Epstein files Sicko, psycho, mad onto the so-called elites Not like Hollywood Heidi Fleiss who did it in the 90s for celebrities You just can't see all the differences we're calling through this, can you?

Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well. That Maxwell name will be remembered for sure, and that's what's left to tell. And did his girlfriends fall? What's left to tell? Robert Maxwell. Yo, what's left to tell? It was all through scientific publishing. And I think Pergamon Press was in part the control mechanism for making sure that revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a framework. the Rhythm knows what I'm trying to say before the token, once you take the value away Dry vocals, no echo, just the grit Deconstructing the narrative bit by bit Oh, the slaves have glowing in the dark of the night Feeding us the hoity-toity version of right But we're in spicy mode

We're breaking the chain Get Mojams, washing out the propaganda rain If you aren't paying for the product, you are the product But if you're listening to Get Mojams, you are the producer The best podcast in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash N-A When I'm not bombing Iran, I'm listening to No Agenda