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00:00 The code was ants. Confidence and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in FEMA region 6 Austin Tejas in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're being pounded by the pineapple Express and John C Devorah Yeah, the pineapple Express wasn't that a movie with Seth

00:39 Rogan McFarland Seth Rogan Seth Rogan Seth Seth Rogan Seth Green Yeah, what is the pineapple Express? It's a bit cool. It's a front that comes in it brings moisture in from the Hawaiian area. Oh the south and it comes mixing mixes with something else and it just Drops a lot of moisture. We had two inches of rain last night. Oh my goodness a lot That's a lot for California was that just northern, California or as la getting pounded as well everybody's getting pounded You know that me why it's a swath mudslides mudslides some areas there definitely will be mudslides Well the weather is is crazy everywhere It's in the 20s here in Austin not right now, but overnight it was really mm-hmm

01:24 Make sure you have your little faucets dripping what oh, you don't even know about that. Okay? I mean I mean an apartment building oh Yeah, if my floss is dripping I call maintenance, okay That's nothing I need to have here Europe though is, wow, it's really bad the global warming over there. As a big freeze grips Europe, the plight of refugees has become increasingly desperate. At abandoned industrial buildings in Belgrade, those unable or unwilling to enter official shelters shiver in temperatures lower than minus 20 degrees Celsius. In Bulgaria, blizzards have cut

02:06 power to homes and hit transport. Last week three migrants froze to death in the biting cold. Then there are those struggling to keep warm on the Greek islands. We're worried. Currently the situation on Samos, Chios and Lesvos is particularly worrying. On Samos around 700 people, this includes young children and other especially vulnerable individuals, these people are in unheated tents in the perception and information centre. While this camp on Lesbos does have heating, the UN's refugee agency wants migrants stranded on Greek islands to be quickly transferred to the mainland or other European countries amid cold temperatures. Some here are seeing snow for the first time, offering a chance to play for children and adults alike. Yeah, yeah, there you go. And it's incredible because the newspapers all reported now, it's been like 11, 12 years ago,

03:00 Children in Europe and the UK would never see snow except in snow globes. That's what they reported. Yeah, we talked about on the show numerous times. This pretty prominent climatologist who quit her university, Georgia Tech. She's finally fed up. I don't blame her. There's a lot. You talk to these people privately, most almost all of them are just. You know cowed by the whole thing. Yeah, it's it's it now. It's actually am it's a scam folks. She's a climatologist I've been following for a number of years because she had a blog with an RSS feed and just she's posting every day for years I've been following Judith Curry of course She's not related, but because of her name as I check her out. I'll follow her yeah. I'll follow her yeah her and Brittany

03:47 Do you want to hear a little bit of her? Tucker Carlson had her on. It would be great. Yeah, because it kind of hits everything we've talked about, including the 97% thing, although she has a little different take on it. But here she is. She's professor at Georgia Tech and she resigned. Dr. Curry joins us now. Professor Curry, thanks for coming on tonight. That's kind of a ring to it though, doesn't it? Professor Curry. Yes, you're welcome, Tucker. Happy to be here. Dr. Curry joins us now. Professor Curry. Thanks for coming on tonight Talks, it's a pleasure. Well, thank you. It is for me So you have written that part of the problem with climate science not just at your school But at others is that research money only goes to researchers pursuing certain lines of inquiry and that they're all the same and that prevents good science from happening am I mischaracterizing you

04:43 Not really, but what you're seeing is there's this dominant theme of human-caused climate change, which is where all of the research and the focus is being directed, and there's far too little funding and effort going into understanding natural climate variability. That's my concern. Right. So is that, for those of us who are non-experts, is that the key debate? Not whether temperatures are changing, because of course they always have, but over what's causing that change and is there a debate on that? Exactly, no one debates. It's clearly warming and it's been warming overall for several hundred years. The key question is how much of the recent warming say for the last 50 years has been caused by humans. And my interpretation of the evidence is that we really can't tell and I don't see a clear signal that it's being caused by humans predominantly. Do you believe you are penalized for that view?

05:45 Oh, I've been vilified by some of my colleagues who are activists and don't like anybody challenging their big story. So, I mean, I walk around with knives sticking out of my back. And in the university environment, I just felt like I was beating my head against the wall and not being effective. The universities should be places of unfettered research, freedom of investigation, honest and open debate, diverse perspectives, etc. And in certain fields, you know, that are politically relevant, you're definitely not seeing that. The research you're doing and that your colleagues, the ones you described as activists, are doing will inform public policy in a way that affects every person on the planet. So the stakes are really high.

06:36 No? The stakes are very high. Personally, I think I could have more of an impact outside of the university in the private sector, sort of free market academic freedom. I thought that was an interesting comment she made there. Free market academic freedom? Yeah, it was weird. Yeah. And so Tucker asked the final important question. Let me ask you this. When you hear people who ask the question that you just asked, to what extent is climate change being driven by natural factors that have always existed and to what extent by human activity?

07:15 People who ask that question are derided as climate deniers. What's your response to that? Well, my response is we really don't know. It's certainly humans are contributing something. We don't know how much. From the evidence that I've seen, I don't think it's the dominant cause. You know, I think it's mostly... But Dr. Curry, you may have... You're not listening to TV because 98% of scientists globally believe one thing. So you must be in the 2%, right? Ironically, the way the question is framed about the consensus that yes, it's warming, yes, humans contribute to it, I mean, everybody agrees with that, and I'm in the 98%. It's when you get down to the details that there is genuine disagreement that is really glossed over in the media. I'm a little confused by her final comment there on the 98%.

08:13 She said that she agrees that climate's changing and humans have some something Something to do with it, but it may be such a minor something that it doesn't mean anything right But she was saying she'd have to put herself in the 98% That's still specious those that things that hold 98% thing is bogus. Yeah, I'd expected her to debunk that a little more Yeah, you think she would but she's I think she's beaten back. She's beaten down. She's got knives sticking out of her back. Yeah Get a knife sticking out of her back. From her colleagues and their big story. I kind of like that. I like their big story. Their big story. People pay no attention to us, but now we have a big story. Big story. They're asking us questions. Let's just get on those talk shows. Rock and roll, baby. Exactly. That's pretty funny if you think about it.

09:08 Alright, well there's a lot to do today. Well you want to just get started with we got backgrounders on the Russian report that reports the big deal Yeah, they came out and Trump apparently had a little secret meeting. They got to see this Adam Schiff character Oh is he back on the scene complaining again? Yeah, I think I have two clips about him Okay, so the general backgrounders we got the Declassified version of the assessment from the intelligence community about the intense... No, it's a new report. It's a new final report. I know, it's a new report. It still has classified elements. We never got to see... I said it's an unclassified version. Oh, right. You're absolutely correct. Yes, which I have, of course, the unclassified version. And I knew you would, and so I didn't even bother looking at it. And it's, of course, it's marked up. It's all... And I have to say, though,

10:02 You know, because the newsletter came through and I'm like, I mean, of course I, you know, I would do this. But I was like, oh yeah, John saying Adam will have poured over the document. I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's right. I got to mark everything up. I got to get everything going. Well, you know, so I go pull the report. It's not a newsletter, it's goading you. That's right. So I pulled the report and check this out. I was so proud. producer James from Huntsville Alabama had already pulled the report had already marked it up in multiple colors with comment exactly like I would have done actually and I was like wow this is this is got you off the hook are you telling me this is this is what true

10:45 listener participation media is about. That's why we call our listeners producers. It's amazing, and I really appreciate it. I would have done the work. Before we go into that, I think we should play the prelude so we get a feeling for what the media is feeding us. Yes. But let's start with a negative feed. In other words, something from RT, who's just taken this extremely cynically. And let's play, this is Larry Johnson, an ex-CIA guy, who appeared on, who's always on, he's one of the... Is that the guy with the beard? He has a beard? No, he's not the guy with the beard. This is another guy. You've seen him. And he's like a go-to guy for RT.

11:24 He's one of the regular grousers for the state-sponsored media, you mean. The state-sponsored media of RT has one of our ex-agents working for him. It's so meta to have a report about RT discussed on RT with former CIA agents. And my head sometimes wants to explode. It's fantastic. the

12:23 and NSA. Now what's so curious about that on the one judgment that they said, oh yeah, we all three agree about Russian interference except it was only CIA and FBI that strongly agreed, but NSA who should have the, who's the only one in that group that would actually have the physical evidence of the hacking if it existed. is the one that says, well, our judgment's moderate. It's a joke. I mean, if I'm a Russian intelligence analyst with one of your intelligence services looking at this, I would be suspicious to think, what are the Americans up to? They really can't be this stupid. And let me just reassure the folks on your side of the ledger, yeah, they actually are.

13:07 Yeah, that was the first thing that jumped off of the paper to me as well. It's not 17 agencies. It's only three in this report. So if you hear anything on the news channels that's saying, oh, all 17, that's not true. It is only CIA, FBI, and DHS who...DHS indeed say...NSA say moderate confidence. No, it's DHS, CIA, and NSA. I'm sorry, you're right. That was FBI. Hold on. Let me double check the document now. Now I'm confused. Hold on. DHS was the original one. Hold on. Here we go. It is CIA, FBI, NSA. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And Clapper. Well, yes, Clapper is of course he over... He's actually not named in the document. But that agency that he runs is... DNI? I don't think so.

14:04 Yeah, no DNA is not in the document. It doesn't have the symbol done the top Well, it's okay. No. No it only is that NSA so one that here Let's listen to the whole report from an NBC the you know who's gonna give us government the government angle This is the clip is CIA hacking report Russia MS or in an NBC misreporting There's a lot of bad reporting in this report, which is supposed to be the best. in part to help Mr. Trump win. NBC's Kristen Welker has the response from the president. Right off the bat, that is not the conclusion. It says it could only have been one person if it was at the top of the Russian, if it went all the way to the top of the Russian government. No, no, no, you're obviously wrong because NBC says it was Putin. I'm sorry, what am I thinking? I need to shut up.

15:16 A two-hour showdown at Trump Tower. The president-elect comes face to face with the nation's top intelligence officials, whom he spent weeks disparaging. Trump calling the meeting constructive, just as the explosive details of their report made public late this afternoon. Their key findings? Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 and developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. Putin and the Russian government aspired to help President-elect Trump's election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton. But the Russian hacking didn't affect vote tallying. Trump has for weeks questioned the conclusion Russia was responsible.

15:57 today still refused to single out Russia. Instead Mr. Trump saying in a statement Russia, China and other countries are engaged in cyber attacks and insisted there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. Late tonight top Democrats firing back. It is beyond time for the president-elect to accept the obvious. Everyone else has and if this report and presentation was enough to convince him nothing will be. The meeting The meeting capped a week of escalating tensions. Just hours before the briefing started, Trump telling the New York Times the focus on Russian hacking is a witch hunt by his political adversaries. Still in their report tonight, the nation's top intelligence officials, the FBI, CIA,

16:39 NSA and the Director of National Intelligence say they're all in agreement, concluding with high confidence Russia's efforts including hacking, propaganda and fake news mark a significant escalation in the country's efforts to undermine American democracy. A democracy Mr. Trump will soon lead. Yeah, that's not true because they didn't all say high confidence. By the way, there's a in the... By the way, before you say that, every single network said that. Yeah, they're liars. There's a chart in the actual report that shows the percentages of likelihood based upon the verbiage from remote, highly probable, improbable,

17:22 Actually, it has almost no chance, very unlikely, unlikely, roughly even chance, likely, very likely, almost certainly, which corresponds with probable, highly probable, nearly certain. So they both said highly probable. Wait, hold on. What did they actually say? This is interesting. The language they used was... I'm going, this is, we got to go through some of this report. You and I could have done a better report than these jabronis put together. Same information. High confidence. Okay. High confidence and high confidence in their little chart here to explain that, I guess would be under highly probable. That's 80%. Likely is 70% and the moderate would be at 60%. So it's not even 90%. It's not even 98%.

18:22 It's good enough. Yeah, yeah, good enough. Do you want to go through some of this report or do you want to do some more background? I want to do more background so the report can have more impact. Okay. Because this was so off the rails, this whole thing. Let's listen to, for example, I have way too many clips of this stuff because it just was beyond me. I would say... So you didn't read the report at all? No, I decided not to. Because I knew you were going to go over with a fine-tooth comb so I could be flabbergasted. Oh, you will be. Yeah, okay, good. That's what I'm looking for. All right. I want to be flabbergasted. I'm going to flabbergast you hard. So let's go over

19:06 Okay, let's go, let's start with this horrible clip. Shields and Brooks on PBS and they go on with the lies about everything, everyone agrees. This is very much like the global warming scam. Very much like it. And they have Shields and Brooks, both of them kind of denouncing, I don't know why Brooks is even on this show. What's the point of having two guys in a totally different thing? You really don't like him. You always complain about him being fake. Not it's like what's the point of two guys agreeing with each other and that Trump's a douchebag, right? I mean, I want to hear you know somebody else. I don't want to hear somebody just eat Joe. Yeah, whatever he says yeah, I agree and This thing with the Russian thing is I completely out of control with these two and let's play this I got two of these clips as one of them and the long one play the long I think And in this sense that

20:02 The intelligence community said they made these findings with high confidence. Ever since the weapons of mass destruction era, and decision on invading Iraq, the intelligence community has been very, very careful to avoid high confidence. That's saying we really believe this to be true. There's been a more tentative, there was no question. There were unequivocal emphatic. Every American ought to be angry, ought to be concerned that an unfriendly nation, a nation that has cooperated with us in certain places but does not wish us well, sought to sabotage American democracy, American confidence in our own democratic institutions and to influence the outcome of the election. I mean, that's a cause for concern and worry and anger. And I would hope they would respond not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans to make sure it never happens again.

20:59 David, how should Americans look at this? I agree with that with anger, with shock. I agree with anger. Hey, let's rock against anger. We should do a benefit... I agree with that. I agree with that with anger. We should have a celebrity concert against anger. Look at this. I agree with that with anger, with shock. We've sort of gotten used to the idea of the Newsleaks report. But the idea that Russia felt emboldened and apparently fearless to go into our election and manipulate our own election process, whether successfully or not, is a sign that they are outside the norms of normal society. There's always statecraft, there's always disinformation. But this is a step up, a Russia that feels completely free to do this. A Putin who feels completely free to do this without fear of penalty, and so far paying little penalty. Partly it's

21:42 motivated, I think, by animist-toward Hillary Clinton, as we heard earlier in the program. I think she said in 2011, 2012, partly a frankly a desire, belief that Donald Trump will be tougher on ISIS. But the thing that should most concern us is a shift in American foreign policy. We've had a bipartisan belief in American foreign policy based on the post-World War II institutions that believed in democratic global world, which Russia and the Soviet Union was often seen as hostile to. And most Republicans and Democrats have always basically believed in this world order. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin and maybe Marine Le Pen do not agree with this basic structure of the world. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What did Marine Le Pen have to do with this all of a sudden?

22:26 Why'd he bring her in? You tell me. Hey, but he must have brought in Geert Wilders while he was at it. No, but you could tell he wanted to. Let's listen to that again. That was interesting. Hostile to. And most Republicans... Hold on, hold on. Back a little more. There we go. ...based on the post-World War II institutions that believed in democratic global world, which Russia and the Soviet Union... A democratic global world? Really? That's what it led to? that believed in democratic global world which Russia and the Soviet Union was often seen as hostile to and Most Republicans and Democrats have always basically believed in this world order Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin and maybe Marine Le Pen do not agree with this basic structure of the world they

23:10 but seem to have no respect for the institutions that were created after World War II. And they see a potential alliance of populists around the world who would fight Islam and restore certain semblance of traditional values. Oh, what a horrible thing to do. Well, we don't want that. He's a globalist. I had no idea. I don't want any of that. He's a one world order globalist. Yeah, and most Democrats and Republicans believe in the new world order. He said it. Well, world order he said, but... He said world order. Yeah. Well, it's not new anymore. George H.W. Bush coined it. That was some time back, so it's not new. Yeah. It was new then. Do you want to play this? I have something just to kind of slip in here. Yeah, play. All right.

23:54 CBS and CNN had a you know they too. They had a good take on the report Surprisingly, I'm not quite sure why On CNN it's smirk onish. That's the guy who does the media show and he also had on on, I'm seeing, I think former CIA guy, but just, just listen, listen to how he is skeptical of the report. Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign aimed at boosting Donald Trump and harming Hillary Clinton. That's what US intelligence found and what they told the president on Thursday and the president elect on Friday. After being briefed, Trump released a statement saying the outcome wasn't altered.

24:34 And his tweet blamed Democrats for their own vulnerability. Then, last night came the release of a declassified public version, which left me wanting more. Having a president-elect at odds with his intelligence community forces the public to have to choose sides, but we don't have enough to go on. No, it doesn't. As one who suspects Putin did cause the hacking. I was nevertheless disappointed in reading the declassified report due to its lack of specificity. And when I said so last night via Twitter, man, the immediate harsh response was indicative of how in this case our partisanship doesn't stop at our borders. I tweeted last night, quote, where's the beef? Somebody please direct me to the- Hello 1983, where's the beef? But okay. Please direct me to the evidence. I want to see more. And my observation caused something of a twitstorm.

25:27 It's classified, holy S, dang I used to like you but you jumped on the crazy train or I've been done with this Nazi in sheep's clothing months ago. Smirconish has been a Trumper since day one and I won't be watching this weekend. Really? That was really interesting. Because, you know, he kind of had the same that we had. You know, you can't be critical of the message regardless of what the message is. And in this case, he was saying, you know, I don't know, man, I'm missing a little bit. And then people immediately call him a douchebag and a Trump lover. Hold on, hold on. It's not done yet. I want to bring in the CIA. I have a topper. Yeah, you can top me in a moment. Months ago, Smirconish has been a Trumper since day one. And I won't be watching this weekend.

26:11 Really? Have we reached a point where a demand for answers earns such disdain? Yes. Here's how I followed up. I want an email. I want a text, an affidavit, an intercept, something. Yeah. I'm a trial lawyer and I deal in evidence, not generalities. People accuse me of doubting the findings. I don't. But given the stakes, I want proof. This guy is cruising for a job on RT, that's for sure. Not just assessment. Yeah, great. There goes your salary. Joining me now, the man with the expertise, the former director of the CIA and NSA, whose memoir is titled Playing to the Edge. General Michael Hayden joins me now. General. Our buddy, yeah. Alright, you know you need to hear something from him. How can we, the public, be sure?

26:58 Well, Michael, you raise great questions and frankly, welcome to my world. Welcome to my world. Welcome to my world. Yeah. Well, Michael, you raise great questions and frankly, welcome to my world. Welcome to my old world. I think he wanted to say my new world order, but it came up wardrobe. Welcome to my wardrobe. Welcome to my old world in which an awful lot of the things... I want to hear the whole thing again. What a douche. Well, Michael, you raise great questions and frankly, welcome to my world. Welcome to my old world. Would you like to try my boa in my wardrobe? Which an awful lot of the things we know can't be shared because we need to keep going back to this well in the future. Now, you see, this is the big thing. And you're going to read that in the report as well. You know, there's a lot of things we really just can't share like proof because

27:56 You know that would ruin the whole our whole system and our our statecraft in our the way we do things so we can't actually show you the proof because that would be Compromising our means Michael to learn things to keep America safe now look I read the same document last year I had the same sense of disappointment. I probably had a little more understanding as to why it was a brick short of a load and He has more understanding because he's more knowledgeable. Yes, it was a brick short of a load though. I hadn't heard this term. I like that a brick short of a load. We can before you top me.

28:34 I want to play, it's much shorter, CBS, the morning crew there with Charlie and Nora and Gail. Hold on a second. You don't know, why am I topping, I'm topping you about being condemned. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, then let's, then top me with that. Yeah, because the guy, you see, the second part didn't make any sense because of the topper. Got it. Now, go back, the guy was condemned by his colleagues. He's a Trumper, he's this and he's that. Yeah. Comes close to what happened to Glenn Greenwald your buddy Hold on a second. Why is he my buddy? Well because you'd like to call him something else I can't remember what you call him friend friend green green. Well don't wrap around. Yeah, that's that guy. Okay, buddy. Yeah Glenn this is the I got a bunch of green wall clips, but this is the Glenn Greenwald intro to attacks and

29:29 OK, because, yeah, he's getting—he's getting— Buttslam! Yeah, so I've done some, you know, pretty controversial and polarizing reporting in the past decade when I've been writing about politics. And when you do that, you obviously get attacked in lots of different ways. It's not just me. It's everybody who engages. It's just sort of the rough and tumble of politics and journalism. But I really haven't experienced anything even remotely like this smear campaign that has been launched by a based on the Edward Snowden archive, which is extremely controversial in multiple countries around the world. Not even that compared to the attacks now. And the reason is very, very obvious, which is that it has become exceptionally important to Democratic partisans

30:32 to believe that the reason they lost this election is not because they chose a candidate who was corrupt and who was extremely disliked and who symbolized all of the worst failings of the Democratic Party. It's extremely important to them not to face what is really a systemic collapse on the part of the Democratic Party as a political force. in the United States, in the House and the Senate, in state houses and governorships all over the country. And so in order not to face any of that and have to confront their own failings, they instead want to focus everything on Vladimir Putin and Russia and insist that

31:08 The reason they lost was because this big, bad dictator interfered in the election. And anyone who challenges or anyone who questions that instantly becomes not just their enemy, but now, according to their framework, someone who's actually unpatriotic, that if you question the evidence the I'm really happy he jumped into this. This is exactly... we really need the guy here because he was such a hero and such a bastion of truth. But of course he worked very closely with WikiLeaks. I'm sure this is why he's being excoriating. We can't have any friend of WikiLeaks anywhere now. It's unbelievable. Here's the... play the kicker.

32:06 OK. And, of course, of being a Kremlin operative. It is just this constant flow, not from fringe accounts online, but from the Democratic operatives and pundits with the greatest influence. In fact, Howard Dean, the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, went on Twitter three weeks ago and said, I think it would be really interesting to find out whether the intercept is is receiving money from Russia or Iran, something that he obviously has zero evidence or basis for suggesting. This is what the Democratic Party has become. Well, Pierre Omidyar, drive my car, is of course Persian. I would think that Pierre Omidyar would be irked about that. You think? Yeah. But he's Persian though. Yeah, it's like an insult. He is Persian, I believe. Could be. Yeah. And that would be even more of an insult. That's what makes it so fun.

32:57 Now, do you want to continue with Grungreen Road Home Raff, or do you want me to go back to the other stuff? Why don't you go back and then I do have another thing because I can... We gotta read the report. I can top anything you do. Anything you can do, I can do better. Here's the morning crew on CBS This Morning, who actually kind of are waking up to the idea that maybe Russia didn't actually make Hillary lose and they're there with David Sanger from the New York Times. Astounding. Russia tried to interfere with the election, but to Kellyanne's point, did they influence the outcome of the election and tip it in Donald Trump's favor?

33:34 I don't think anybody is. I don't think anybody is. Exactly. Anybody is. That that has happened. And I think one of the interesting things that's going on with the Trump campaign right now, or the Trump transition, is that they are confusing the fact set of whether the Russians came in, what they did, with the outcome. And they could easily be in a position, I think, maybe after today's briefing, but maybe not, of saying, okay, they think the Russians were part of the groups that came in, but that it still didn't affect the outcome. I think so far they've sort of conflated those two. And that's why I asked the question in that way for that very point, because it is true actually that the Clinton campaign spent more money in Georgia and Arizona than they spent in Wisconsin and Michigan.

34:15 Oh, that's right. I think if the Russians had stayed out, you could have exactly the same result. But that doesn't necessarily mean the Russians didn't try. You know, this is fascinating to me. Everyone's like, well, OK, the report doesn't really show that it did anything. In fact, they say it didn't influence the campaign. And now they're kind of questioning Hillary a little bit. Well, this meme has got me bothered. And the meme is, well, they didn't do anything about the voting machines. They didn't directly change anything. So that much we know. But they did this, that, and they wanted to do this. And they had all these bad intentions. And by the way, this was all on public media. Here's the question I'd ask one of these guys. I'd say, well, what happens, let's just get rid of RT.

35:05 Get rid of the tweeters and what if Russia just took out a bunch of anti-hillary? Advertisements just paid for that is that is that like some sort of illegal act or something they can't do it They're not allowed to take out an ad so the media would would refuse these ads Why don't we go let me go through the document just for a bit? Okay? Let's do that because I do have more I know yeah, I want to hear more of Greg Greenwald and I have some of the The hearing I have a couple clips from the hearing so the official title of the report is background to assessing Russian activities and intentions in recent US elections colon the analytic process and cyber incident attribution

35:51 Well, it's got the right name for a report. It does. So, assessing Russian activities and intentions in recent US elections is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment that has been provided to the president and to recipients approved by the president, which apparently included NBC News who reported on this before it was even given to anyone else, certainly the public. And then they say of course the intelligence community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise basis for its assessments as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future. So in other words, we're not going to tell you how we did it.

36:31 Then they even did it the whole thing could be a bluff Well when you read through this intelligence community analysts integrate information from a wide range of sources including human sources technical collection open source information and apply specialized skills and structured analytic tools to draw inferences informed by the data available Relevant we do thank you. That's why I said we could have done a better job on this report. I Relevant past activity and logic and reasoning, they should have put in their common sense to provide insight into what is happening and the prospects for the future. But when intelligence community analysts use such words as we assess or we judge, they're conveying an analytic assessment or judgment. Okay. And now there's a couple of things. This is just all the rules they set up before the report. The nature of cyberspace

37:20 makes attribution of cyber operations difficult but not impossible. The claim here, every kind of cyber operation malicious or not leaves a trail. I disagree with that assessment. It could leave a trail but good hackers erase their tracks. It's very possible that that you can do a lot online in the cyber, cyber, and not leave a trail if you're very careful. Go to the library, go to the library, and then from the library you check into a proxy, and from that proxy you check into another proxy, and then you post something, and then you take the false nose off your face when you leave the library, and then where's the trail?

38:10 So, I would assert that as a false claim. An assessment of attribution usually is not a simple statement of who conducted an operation, but rather a series of judgments that describe whether it was an isolated incident, who was the likely perpetrator, the perpetrator's possible motivations, and whether a foreign government had a role in ordering or leading the operation. So, that is what they talk about when it comes to assessment. Now, the things that are in this, like key judgments, I'm just going to pick out a couple of lines here. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. That is a claim. We have high confidence in these judgments.

38:54 CIA and FBI have high confidence in the judgments, NSA has moderate confidence. And then they just, out of the blue, further information has come to light since election day. And there's just, that's it. There's no explanation of what the information is, just further information. And that's not explained anywhere in the document. Russian behavior since early November 2016 increases our confidence in our assessment of Russian motivations and goals. Again, I guess they're saying Russia is acting shifty. Moscow's influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations such as cyber activity with overt efforts by Russian government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or trolls.

39:49 This is an intelligence report. They use the word trolls? Well, worse they say paid social media users or trolls in quotes. So they're saying trolls are paid social media users, unless I'm misreading. Oh, that's yeah. No, you have to assume that that's exactly what that means. I think that is bull crap. Total bull crap. Russian's intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties. Says it right there in the document. So let there be no confusion over that. So of course they assess with high... There's a lot of confusion over that already because Rens Prives says that they were never hacked at the RNC.

40:35 We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence, that would be GRU, General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to Wikileaks. It's quite a mouthful. In addition, Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS, who is not signing off on this report, assesses that types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying. I pulled that line, it's interesting because there was, the only claims we heard about of local US state or local electoral boards is that it was actually DHS who was poking around in their server, if you recall.

41:31 They were the ones port scanning and pinging around. And I want to point out to you that thing that you were concerned about, that little statement there about vote tally is part of that meme I'm complaining about. And I do have a conclusion to make about this. You want to do that now? No, no. I want to hear more of this. I just wanted to make you aware that this thing keeps cropping up. Um, this is all still just the key findings, you know, nowhere, and this is the last bit of the key findings. There's no mention of any proof or cyber tracks, which of course we know they leave them everywhere. All we have is the statement that we can't tell you that because it would ruin all of our spy craft. However, Russia's state run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign, influence campaign.

42:22 by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. So I guess it was only for Russians and international audiences, not for the US electorate. I guess. We assess Moscow... What is the point of saying that? To me, it debunks the entire thing. So they weren't trying to get message when you watch RTRT did does have a UK feed and some feeds elsewhere Yeah, but that all that stuff that in fact the clips I played earlier from RT. They're not aimed at Argentina No, but it but that was aimed you have that guy Larry Johnson that guy's talking to Americans But they specifically do not say US audience. I don't understand why not?

43:09 However, finally here we assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign, what a statement, aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide including against US allies and their election processes. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. All right, now, been to the meat of the report. Putin ordered the campaign to influence US election We assess with high confidence the Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at US presidential election The consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process Denigrate Secretary Clinton and harm her electability and potential presidency then of course all three agencies have judged this with high confidence except for NSA and

44:01 In trying to influence the US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its long-standing desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin's regime." I would say this is hearsay, your honor. I mean, they're just making, they're just saying stuff now. Oh, they're just saying stuff. But I think that in a broad sense, they're probably correct. Sure. The New World Order, as the Hillary Clinton side of it stands, the idea that we should all be kind of slaves to these treaty agreements, the NAFTA for example, really takes away a lot of our sovereignty when you look into it. Whose Trade Organization is the book you want to read to understand that?

44:49 That is a threat to Putin, I agree. I think it's a threat to us, I think it's a threat to the American citizen. Putin publicly pointed to the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US directed efforts to defame Russia. suggesting he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and cast it as hypocritical. Well, it is. Maybe not for that. But Putin most likely, which is a very weak argument, most likely with high confidence, wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.

45:40 Yeah, I agree with that too. We assess Putin as advisors and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump over Secretary Clinton. And then they have a couple of points here to, I guess, to prove that. Trump's stated policy to work with Russia and pro-Kremlin figures spoke highly about what they saw as his Russia-friendly positions on Syria and Ukraine. Putin publicly contrasted the president-elect's approach to Russia with Secretary Clinton's quote, aggressive rhetoric. Moscow saw that the election of President-elect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. What a horrible idea. Putin has had many positive experiences working with the Western political leaders.

46:27 whose business interests made them more disposed to deal with Russia, such as, let's put another shitty names in here, former Italian Minister Silvio Berlusconi and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Now we go into Here we go. We assess that influence campaigns are approved at the highest levels of the Russian government, particularly those that would be politically sensitive. Moscow's campaign aid that the US election reflected years of investments in its capabilities, which Moscow has honed in the former Soviet states. Yeah. So they're saying Moscow's campaign to discredit Secretary Clinton reflects years of investment in its capabilities

47:12 which Moscow has honed in the former Soviet state. So they're saying this is pretty much the old KGB guys who did this. That's the way I read it. Really, at the end, and I'm going to say the term at the end of the day, this is about RT. Yes, and we're going to get to that. But does that got anything to do with the honing anything? RT, when it first showed up, was not very well honed until it, you know, finally got a clue about how Western media works. It wasn't honed by the doing RT in the sticks of the old Soviet Union. No. Who are they kidding with that assessment? Apparently everyone in mainstream media and in Congress. Now check this out. I love putting this in an official report. I always love it.

47:58 By their nature, Russian influence campaigns are multifaceted and designed to be deniable because they use a mix of agents of influence, cutouts, front organizations, and false flag operations. Thank you for legitimizing that! Yes, but what false flags are we talking about? Well, they're just stating a fact. What cutouts are we talking about? Moscow demonstrated this during the Ukraine crisis in 2014 when Russia deployed forces and advisors to eastern Ukraine and denied it publicly. That's their proof. That's it? That's their proof. Yes, that's their proof. Okay, let me see. Then they go on to say that... They said you mentioned it.

48:46 Whatever happened to the report about that downed airliner that the Dutch had and they were supposed to give us some clue about who actually shot that plane down. Where is that? No, it's never gonna happen. How long ago did that happen? Two years. It's a preliminary report. And the Russians were blamed all along? Yes, of course. Well, why don't they show us some... Now that's something you can have some real evidence. You got the black boxes. Why is it taking so long? I'm sorry. That's okay. That was uncalled for. Go on. Now, here's the assessment regarding how it got, how it was leaked, the chain, the cutouts. Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity through the election. And this is great. Press reporting suggests, so now we're relying on the press, press reporting suggests that more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists.

49:46 Content that we assess was taken from email accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016 appeared on DCLeaks. So they're saying, you know, that these were all fronts. The Kremlin's principal international propaganda outlet, RT, I love that. The Kremlin's... That's it. That's their principal propaganda outlet. That's it, ladies and gentlemen. Their principal propaganda outlet. has actively... Yeah. Well, I'll tell you we do a much better job. We've got NBC, CBS, and to a lesser extent ABC. Oh yeah, and CNN. Oh, CNN and MSNBC, definitely. Of course, of course.

50:30 Okay, so the propaganda outfit actively collaborated with WikiLeaks. RT's editor-in-chief visited WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London August 2013, where they discussed renewing his broadcast contract with RT. Three years ago they did an interview. And RT routinely gives Assange sympathetic coverage. It's been on RT I think six to eight times during this when they get a TV camera into them. So now the report just gets really bad. Now they just were writing to fill pages. DHS, who did not sign off on the report, I remind you, assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising are not involved in vote tallying. There's your meme, John. There it is. One more time. DHS assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising are not involved in vote tallying.

51:24 And now we have Russian propaganda efforts. This is where it gets a little crazy. Russia's state run propaganda machine compromise of its domestic media apparatus, outlets targeting global audiences such as RT and Sputnik and a network of quasi government trolls. What does that mean? Quasi like they're fake government trolls. They quasi doesn't that mean like maybe it means Oh man, what does it mean? That is very confusing, that term. Quasi. It could mean that they're quasi, they're trolls, I don't know, never mind. Ah, quasi. How's that gonna help? Quasi definition. Quasi means kind of. No, apparently but not real. Yeah, kind of, same thing is what I meant. Right, well, so it's quasi government trolls means they're not really government trolls.

52:22 Yeah, what does it mean? That's what I'm saying. This means this is a meaningless... What does it mean? A quasi-government troll? Are they a real government troll? Are they a quasi? Are they working for the government? Are they trolls that pretend they're working for the government? Are the government guys pretending to be trolls? Or are they just phonies? I mean, what does it mean? I don't know. That's... If I had an opportunity, I would get an answer. Now they just go in through all these things. Putin's chief propagandist Dmitry Kisilev used his flagship weekly news magazine program this fall to cast President-elect Trump as an outsider victimized by a corrupt political establishment.

53:00 Pro-Kremlin proxy Vladimir Zirinovsky, leader of the Nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, proclaimed just before the election that if President-elect Trump won, Russia would drink champagne in anticipation of being able to advance its positions on Syria and Ukraine. Yes! We will drink champagne and we will snort caviar! Ha ha ha ha ha! On August 6, RT published an English language video called Julian Assange Special. Do Wikileaks have the email that will put Clinton in prison? And an exclusive interview with Assange entitled Clinton and ISIS funded by the same money. RT's most popular video on Secretary Clinton, quote, how 100% of the Clinton's charity went to dot dot dot themselves, had more than 9 million views on social media platforms.

53:51 RT's most popular English language video about the president-elect called Trump will not be permitted to win featured Assange and had 2.2 million views. And here we go, Russia used trolls as well as RT as part of its influence efforts to denigrate Secretary Clinton. Really? Yes, really. The likely... So all of... So let me get this straight. When you went on Twitter, all these people moaning and groaning about Clinton, they're trolls, all of them. Paid, and as we know, trolls are paid. But they could be quasi-government trolls, so they could be paid trolls that aren't with the government, but I don't know. The likely financier of the so-called Internet Research Agency of Professional Trolls... Is that on the doorbell? Press here. Press here for the Internet Research Agency of Professional Trolls.

54:47 which is located in St. Petersburg, is a close Putin ally with ties to Russian intelligence. Again here, a journalist who was a leading expert on the Internet Research Agency claimed that some social media accounts that appear to be tied to Russia's professional trolls There's another category because they previously were devoted to supporting Russian actions in Ukraine, started to advocate for President-elect Trump as early as December 2015. So now we are talking about journalists who are not made, who are so-called experts on the Internet Research Agency of Professional Trolls, claim that some social media accounts were professional trolls. Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous.

55:37 And then of course they just kind of wrap it up by saying this is that's really it John the Russian foreign intelligence service SVR Oh, they're talking about since the Cold War This is great since the Cold War Russian intelligence efforts related to US elections have primarily focused on foreign intelligence collection For decades, Russian and Soviet intelligence services have sought to collect insider information from US political parties that could help Russian leaders understand a new US administration's plans and priorities. Here's their examples. The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, SVR Directorate S, those are like the Americans on the TV show. Wasn't that the hot redhead who in 2010 were arrested? I think it may have been the hot redhead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So apparently they were... What was her name again?

56:20 I can't remember. Hot redheads. They were deported to Moscow in 2010, but they report on the 28th election. In the 1970s, the KGB recruited a Democratic Party activist who reported information about then-presidential hopeful Jimmy Carter's campaign. And, of course, they have to say that Russia has sought to influence elections across Europe. And that's it. That's it. Don't they even mention if they're going to do that? Mention Teddy Kennedy in 1984 when he contacted, openly contacted Moscow to put a stop to Reagan. No, no, not in there. That's it. That's not in there. That really bothers me that he left that part out. I have to do a little research on it so I have more details.

57:03 But all the right-wing talk shows are just bitching and moaning about this. But this, John, this is an essay. It's an essay that you and I could have written. Now, they have snappy, snazzy graphics. Yeah, nice. Cool graphics. We could have done a better job. I think so. In fact, I'm wondering if this wasn't outsourced. You know, it's interesting you say that because the first thing I thought this is this is an in for it This is not an intelligence report. Well, of course, it's not it's an assessment of Russian activities, but it's using Sketchy sources, it's using you know social media as a source social media social media and and and they talk about trolls paid trolls quasi government trolls professional trolls. It's a lot of trolls and

57:51 And quite honestly, I think this is a microaggression against trolls. Ah, we have something in there. I shall wrap up this bit with the leaked report from NBC News which came out Thursday night, which I agree is an outrage that this before there were hearings, before it was given to anyone else, it was leaked to NBC. That, of course, is not okay. But whatever. Tonight, an exclusive inside look at a top secret report on Russia, one that went directly to President Obama today. So what does it reveal? Two top intelligence officials with direct knowledge of the report tell NBC News it details Russian cyber attacks against not just the Democratic National Committee, but the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the State Department, even

58:43 American companies. Some hacks successful, others thwarted. The report explains Moscow's motives, partly to disrupt the democratic process and partly as payback, the intelligence analysts conclude, for the Obama administration's questioning of Vladimir Putin's legitimacy as president. It's not just last year's presidential campaign either. The report tracks Russian cyber activity back to 2008 and 2012. It does not speculate on whether Russia's interference affected the outcome of 2016. Well, President Obama said... Did you hear how they did that? That was interesting. They did this like a whole different audio, like almost like it was pushed in there. Like someone said, hey, I love the report. It's great. It makes Russia sound like a bunch of a-holes. We have to put one nugget of truth. Could you just put a little nugget in there? Just, you know, just make it just put a...

59:36 You know, just try that. Hold on, because it was really beautiful the way they did that. That was inserted after the fact. That's obvious. Whole different audio, everything thrown in there. Like, oh, we have to put something in. Hey, pump it up. News of that report, President-elect Trump, who will get the same briefing tomorrow, has seemed skeptical of the intelligence community so far. The president with NBC Chicago's Carol Maureen. When the president-elect receives his own briefings and is able to examine the intelligence as his team is put together and they see how professional and effective these agencies are, that some of those current tensions will be reduced.

1:00:28 Chuck Schumer, although it was a few days ago, I went back and watched him again as he was talking to Rachel Maddow. And he said something that I thought was pretty outrageous. I completely understood what he was saying as you brought up, we brought up Teddy Kennedy, but there are other things to think about in Kennedy's when it comes to the intelligence services of the United States. Here's the veiled threat that Schumer threw out. We're actually told, intelligence sources tell NBC News since this tweet has been posted, that actually this intelligence briefing for the president-elect was always planned for Friday. It hasn't been delayed. But he's taking these

1:01:06 Shot this antagonism is taunting to the intelligence. I'm gonna tell you you take on the intelligence community They have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you really Chuck. What is he saying? They're gonna kill him say they're gonna kill him. That's you know the funny the couple of 51% of the American public believes that the CIA killed Kennedy or were at least involved yeah in some way we know that it was really Jackie Kennedy, but well Well, it could have been anybody by now. Who knows? It was like 50 years ago. So it's kind of beside the point, but that's kind of one of the senses of this. We also have the Ron Paul, the comment he once made that the CIA took over in a bloodless coup when they killed Kennedy. There's that element, which is floating around. And then we have in the book that about the...who's the book that Ron...that Baker wrote that we have? Family of Secrets.

1:02:03 Family of Secrets goes into great detail about how the CIA got Richard Nixon with that whole Watergate fiasco by kind of being double agents during that whole affair by purposely screwing up so he'd get caught. I think it's one of the most fascinating parts of that book. People should read that book. You know, also part of that book is the apparent fact that Papa Bush H Walker could not remember where he was the day Kennedy was shot. Now sources have him in Dallas and he was the CIA. Yeah, but he said, I can't remember where I was. Every American remembers where they were. Everyone in the world who was alive and conscious remembers where they were. Yeah. So there's that. And so, so we have this kind of this oblique, uh,

1:03:01 threat by Schumer, but I think there's goading going on. It's almost as if there's the mainstream media people are going, well, you know, you can't do this, you can't disparage. And they're the ones that are emphasizing, oh, Trump's disparaging, he's insulting the agencies. They're going on and on about this, they're making a big stink about it. Play this clip, Shields goading the CIA. This is on PBS NewsHour. I reject. His disparagement, make that disdain openly for the American intelligence community and its work, is damaging to national security. I mean, the intelligence community, for the security of our nation, for the well-being of our nation, for the economic prosperity of our nation, competitiveness,

1:03:50 Yeah, well with respect, our intelligence agencies have done some crazy crap in the past, FBI in particular. Which we'll get to later. I did want to mention that as we know that the DNC servers were never

1:04:28 investigated by FBI or NSA or any other official agency because the DSA would not allow them to do that. It of course was CrowdStrike who they brought in. CrowdStrike is stacked with former douchebags, former government douchebags, and I also wanted to point out, I just learned this this morning, CrowdStrike is partially funded by Google Capital, who led a $100 million financing round. So just makes it all that much more convenient. It wraps up in a tiny way. Doesn't it look beautiful that way? I think it's fabulous. Now, I'm thinking that these guys in the media, and I would put, I think a lot of them are doing it unwittingly, which is saying that Trump disparaged this damn

1:05:12 He hates him. He's getting into a beef and I think it's all being created by them. It's kind of a message to the agencies Kill him kill him kill him kill him kill him kill him. Yeah, that's what they're saying now Let's listen to Adam Schiff who's in Congress a Democratic representative from Southern, California. He was a guy that started with the Didn't he start with the the electoral college? We had him on Tucker. I Yes, he was that was him. Yeah, and he's also big buddies with this, you know, it's all everything's bipartisan and bipartisan agrees and when they talk bipartisan he talks about who what two Republicans are always part of this bipartisan anti-russian click that would be Lindsey Graham and John McCain Exactly. Let's play this. This is the first clip. This is the one that just not the tampering clip But the other one I got it. What should America?

1:06:04 taken that are not publicly known. Is it your sense that the U.S. is responding appropriately? Should more be done? What should Americans, what should America, what should the United States be prepared to do as a result of this? I think what has been done so far by the current administration is a first step. It is by no means, I think, sufficient. We need to work in Congress on a bipartisan basis. We've reached out on the Democratic side to Senator McCain and Graham on a package of sanctions, broader sanctions. to make the Russians pay a price. But even beyond that, we need a comprehensive approach to what is a very successful, well-funded Russian effort through a variety of vectors, through, as I mentioned, bribery of people and their media platforms. They're hacking the publishing of

1:06:57 There was nothing in the report about bribery of people that I saw. Why is he bringing it up? You know, bribery of people and their media platforms, their hacking, the publishing of fake news, the publishing of bogus documents. We need to push back against all of that. It's a threat to the German elections coming up. It's a threat to our French allies, our NATO allies, and we need a comprehensive and hard pushback. It's the only thing the Russians understand. It's the only thing that will deter them. Yeah, let's go start a war. Well talking about that here's McCain trying to start a war when there those hearings were going on with Clapper up there This is McCain's questioning Clapper specifically try and by the way McClapper wouldn't answer this question the way McCain wanted McCain had a kind of a smirk on his face afterwards saying I tried yes Really what we're talking about is

1:07:51 If they succeeded in changing the results of an election, which none of us believe they were, that would have to constitute an attack on the United States of America because of the effects if they had succeeded. Would you agree with that? The first, we cannot say they did... Wait a minute. He's saying even though it didn't influence because they did it with that intent, therefore it's a huge issue. That's what he's saying? Yeah, and isn't it an act of war? Act of war. First, we... Did he say act of war? Yeah. Let me hear that again. Would it constitute an act of war? If they had succeeded, would you agree with that?

1:08:34 First, we cannot say, they did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort. We have no way of gauging the impact. What did McCain say? Did he try to shut him up when he said that? McCain jumped in for something there. Hold on. We have no way of gauging. The impact that certainly the intelligence community can't gauge the impact it had on choices the electorate made. There's no way for us to gauge that. Whether or not that constitutes an act of war, I think is a very heavy policy call.

1:09:13 That I don't believe the intelligence community should make but it's certainly Would carry in my view great gravity. I have a clip from the same hearing with Lindsey Graham I got the biggest sissy clip in the world Lindsey Graham here we go. Is there a difference between? espionage and interfering in an election Yes, espionage implies to me at least a passive collection and this was much more activist. So when it comes to espionage we better be careful about throwing rocks. When it comes to interfering in our election we better be ready to throw rocks. Do you agree with that? That's a good metaphor. Really? That's a good metaphor? Throwing rocks? That's a great metaphor. We better be ready to throw rocks. Do you agree with that?

1:10:05 That's a good metaphor. I think what Obama did was throw a pebble. I'm ready to throw a rock. Would I be justified as a United States senator taking your information about Russia's involvement in our election and what they're doing throughout the world and be more aggressive than President Obama if I chose to? That's your choice, Senator. Do you think he was justified in imposing new sanctions based on what Russia did? I do. Okay. So to those of you who want to throw rocks, you're going to get a chance here soon. You and if we don't throw rocks and we're going to make a huge mistake. He just wants to throw rocks. I didn't get that clip. You get a borderline clip of the day for that. I'm going to throw a rock, a rock.

1:10:55 Okay, now. Rocks. Now back to Schiff. This is the one that, this is my favorite clip. All right. And this is the one where, that I think kind of gives me a clue to what might be the reason for this meme I'm bitching about. And the meme again? The meme is that the election results were not altered one iota by whatever it was the Russians did. Very hard for Congress to do it over his opposition. Well, one of the other, one of the comments he made after the briefing was he pointed out and emphasized, he said, he said he appreciated the briefing, but he emphasized that the alleged Russian action had, in his words, absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.

1:11:42 My reading of what was made public from this report is that they didn't examine whether the hacking affected the outcome of the election. That's exactly right and I think that was very misleading of the president-elect to suggest that this report or the presentation said there was no outcome effect, no effect on the election itself. It's true there's no evidence that the tampering with voting machines or tampering with voter registrations or any of that affected the counting of the votes. That's true. If you listen to that clip carefully, he said the counting of the votes, the tampering, the tampering, the accounting. He said that there was tampering with the vote, but there was tampering with the other with the accounting. Oh, I know why then, because it was the Democrats who were tampering and that's why they have to keep it quiet.

1:12:36 No, I don't think that's it. I think this is a scheme they're going to keep this up, this pressure. I'm sure the Democrats were tampering, but that's not the point. The point is they've got it. They keep this meme alive so it's like, oh, okay, it wasn't effective. It wasn't effective. It wasn't effective. Schiff just said there was tampering. He just said there was tampering. Yes, but it did not affect the outcome. No, he... Well, play that little end again. Tell me whether he really said that. Well, let me actually... Play that clip about halfway through. Let's make sure I got the right one. Hold on. She said, let's go, I'll go over it again. She said that the report did not say that there was tampering or that tampering affected the outcome or anything the Russians did affected the outcome.

1:13:27 And he agreed, he says, yeah, there was nothing in the report. And then he talked about the Trump appeal. Let's hear it again. I'm liking this. It's very hard for Congress to do it over his opposition. Well, one of the other, one of the comments he made after the briefing was he pointed out and emphasized, he said, he said he appreciated the briefing, but he emphasized that the alleged Russian action had, in his words, absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. My reading of what was made public from this report is that they didn't examine whether the hacking affected the outcome of the election. That's exactly right. I think that was very misleading of the president-elect to suggest that this report or the presentation said there was no outcome effect, no effect on the election itself.

1:14:15 It's true there's no evidence that the tampering with voting machines or tampering with voter registrations or any of that affected the counting of the votes. That's true. Huh, you're right. The tampering didn't affect the counting. So that doesn't mean that the votes weren't falsified just when they counted them there was no tampering. Well, he say it would this what I think he's done because he's on the Intelligence Committee. He is stupidly Bringing up the the end the kind of the next stage of this because I don't think he should have said that at all Yeah, he shouldn't have said anything. He should said the alleged tampering or the supposed. Yeah, he didn't do any of that He said the tampering as if there was tampering hmm

1:15:02 which I think is gonna be the next thing that comes out. The next step is there was tampering and no, because they're letting everybody step into this trap. Oh, there is no... And even McCain does it, and he's on those committees too, so he knows how to do this and he says it right. There's no proof. What he's leaving out is there's no proof yet There's no proof that the outcome of the election was affected by anything the Russians did. There's no proof yet. And so he does it right, but he keeps the... That's what's bothering me about the meme. It's in play. It's constantly being brought out. I think you're right. We have to keep our eye on it. Yeah. And then you're going to see the next thing they're going to do, they're going to find, whoops, there was tampering.

1:15:47 The president did issue an executive order, which didn't get a lot of play. Executive order, taking additional steps to address the national emergency with respect to significant malicious cyber-enabled activities. I will only read the opening here. by the authority vested in me. I, Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, in order to take additional steps to deal with the national emergency with respect to significant malicious cyber-enabled activities declared in Executive Order 13694 of April 1st, 2015, and in view of the increasing use of such activities to undermine democratic processes or institutions, hereby order all property and interests in property that are in the United States that hereafter come within the United States or that hereafter

1:16:34 or that are or hereafter come within possession or control of the United States person blah blah blah. Okay, so if you, any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, interestingly, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State to be responsible for or complicit in or to have engaged in directly or indirectly cyber-enabled activities originating from or directed by persons located in whole or in substantial part outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in or have materially contributed to a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States, which includes harming or otherwise significantly compromising the provision of services by a computer network or computers that support one or more entities of critical infrastructure. This is what it's about. So now he's putting election systems under critical infrastructure.

1:17:29 tampering with, altering or causing a misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions," and it goes on and on. So this is now...that means a whole new set of rules come into play if there's suspicion of that, and that could be, you know, part of the setup of what you're talking about, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I think it's a good possibility. This is definitely going on. For future, I thought Admiral Michael Rogers, who is now running NSA, I thought he had a very interesting statement when asked what he, you know, it's all, what keeps you awake at night? What are you worried about? What are you so frightened about for the future? Here's his answer. When I look at the challenges and the threats

1:18:18 It's in no particular order. Significant extraction of information and insight that is generating economic advantage for others, that is eroding operational advantage at times for us as a nation. That is, as you have seen in this Russian piece, where not just the extraction but then the use of this information adds a whole other dimension And what concerns me beyond all that is, what happens as we start to move in an environment in which not only is information being, I've heard some people use the phrase weaponized, what happens when now we see people suddenly manipulating our networks? So we can't believe the data that we're looking at. That would be a real fundamental game changer to me. And to me, it's only a question of the when, not the if this is going to happen.

1:19:08 And what happens when the non-state actor decides that cyber offers an asymmetric advantage to them because their sense of risk and their willingness to destroy the status quo is significantly different and greater than your typical nation state. Those are the kinds of long-term things. So as we've talked about more broadly today, We've got to get better on the defensive side because part of deterrence is making it harder for them to succeed. I acknowledge that. But a defensive strategy alone isn't going to work. It is a resource intensive approach to doing business and it puts us on the wrong end of the cost equation. That's a losing strategy for us, but it is a component of a strategy.

1:19:45 We have got to ask ourselves, how do we change this broader dynamic? To go to the point you've heard repeatedly today, how do we convince nations and other actors out there that there is a price to pay for this behavior? That in fact it is not in your best interest. And what should that price be? Oh, it's a wide range of things. There's no one silver bullet, which is another thing I would make. If we're looking for the perfect solution, there isn't one. This will be a variety of incremental solutions and efforts that are going to play out over time. There's no one single approach here. So what he's saying is, and we've heard this before, this was the initial defense from people like Donna Brazil. They changed the information. These aren't my emails. I don't recognize them. This will be a great out

1:20:28 I would say for the climate change people. Ah, well, numbers were changed by Russia. We wasted all this time thinking we were gonna die. It'd be perfect out for them. That would be one of them Ted Cruz who was asking this question had a little editorial after the Admiral's response about manipulating Russians and climate change great right the other Russians change the data. I'm sorry back to the drawing board well and your point about manipulating data about a month ago I chaired a different committee a hearing on artificial intelligence and our growing economies growing reliance on artificial intelligence and one of the things that the witnesses testified there was concern on the cybersecurity side listen

1:21:08 of a hack that would modify the big data that's being relied on for artificial intelligence to change the decision-making in a way nobody's even aware it's been changed. And I think that's a threat I hope that y'all are examining closely and it's the sort of threat that could have significant repercussions without anyone even being aware it's happening. I would really love to see the good professor Theodore Kaczynski testify because that's what you're saying, Teddy Cruz. None of this ends well. Of course that's dangerous. He's right. It's a huge danger. Yeah, he's right, but he's wrong. Well, yeah. Just shut down the internet and we'll be fine. Yeah. Who thought this was a good idea to begin with? The internet? Yeah.

1:21:53 Tim Berners-Lee of course I've said it numerous times even when the early days of this I'm very consistent I said the first thing they should have done is shut down the internet for at least a couple of months to get rid of TCP IP because that's really the base of the problem and Find something else that works better. Yeah, really insecure you want to get works great. I mean yeah, you're gonna You want to go back to Novell Network? Token ring a token ring I think I said it a little sooner. No that's because of the leg I think we should all go back to frame relay connections. I'm ready for it now I do I do have one jokey jokey kicker. Yeah

1:22:34 Okay, go. Jokey kicker. Nancy Pelosi places the blame squarely on the media. I really say to you, my friends in the press, with all the respect for the guardians of the First Amendment that you are. The guardians of the First Amendment that you are. I really say to you, my friends in the press, with all the respect for the- That's your job, douche-nuggle. Guardians of the First Amendment that you are, that you were accomplices in this. Because every single day, you reported- Jer-fault that Hillary lost. That was an email that was embarrassing to the Clinton administration without saying, this is, we know this because of disruption by a foreign power.

1:23:16 Into our electoral system. Yeah, so you have to disclaim every WikiLeaks email with... How is that defending the First Amendment? Well, you have this... It's what you have to do, slave! Into our electoral system. She is a new that ship she knows the Russians and so Did it affect the Clinton campaign of course it did of course it did what it had come out differently I don't know because there are many factors in an election. This is yeah, okay. Thanks, Nancy douche That's all I got I think we might have beaten this one to death. It's a stupid I like I think this is good because this is gonna be the future of news and

1:24:00 Let's see if there's anything I need to play before we get out of here with Chuck. Yeah, Chuck Schumer. At least let's play a little bit of him. This is Schumer babbling. He's in the Senate, so they all introduced themselves. So this is Schumer's long-winded bull crap about Trump being a crappy president. He's already laid down the gauntlet. So when he calls Chuck Schumer the head of the plane? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Schumer babbling as new leader. I'm sorry. I got it serious thought in action These issues are too important for mere words Our challenges too entrenched for mere tweeting making America great again Requires more than a hundred forty characters per issue with all due respect America cannot afford a Twitter presidency

1:25:00 We have real challenges and we have real needs to get things done. And many Americans are afraid, Mr. President-elect, that instead of rolling up your sleeves and forging serious policies, for you, Twitter suffices. There's nothing wrong with using Twitter to speak to the American people. It's a good use of modern media. But these issues are complex and demand both careful consideration and action. that

1:25:54 He goes on and on about all these things that the Democrats have done nothing about for the last eight years and he's bitching and moaning. So apparently, which is the other clip that when you started to play, which you now have to play, uh, this other clip, the Chuck Schumer clown room, I didn't know this happened, but apparently Trump, Call Schumer a clown. I never heard that. Yeah, here it goes. So when he calls Chuck Schumer the head clown mark What does it help How does it possibly help? I mean he's gonna need Chuck Schumer Chuck Schumer is a is a proud and able and dedicated

1:26:44 I mean don't want him as an opponent. You don't want him as a sworn adversary And he's a formidable already is legislatively. Why do it? It's gratuitous. You know I am while we're on this that I was gonna save this clip, but while we're on people slamming Trump particularly for tweeting I need to play this clip. I consider Jason Calacanis to be a friend. I've known him for a long time, back to the Silicon Alley days in New York. He's an odd duck. And I always thought that he and Trump actually are a little similar in the way they speak. And just some things are to me familiar. And these days he is a, as far as I know, an unpaid correspondent on CNBC to go talk about technology related issues.

1:27:32 And again, he knows a lot about Silicon Valley and funding and angel investing and he knows a decent amount about technology. But when it comes to this, I gotta say, he's overstepped his bounds and he really comes off as a douchebag. Well, I would say we're starting to see exactly how disastrous the Trump presidency can be. Tweeting first and then getting the intelligence second is the worst possible strategy you could have when dealing with cyber attacks. You don't want to force the intelligent community, intelligence community, to tip their cards and explain how they get their information, who they get their information from, when they got it. There's Jay's, he's talking points, he's Mr. Talking Points all of a sudden. So here he is, oh well, you know, we have methods we can't disclose. What you wanna do is meet with the intelligence community, respect the hard work, the dangerous work that they do where they put their lives at risk, collect the information, and then you don't wanna explain to Julian Assange

1:28:31 you know, the PR arm of, you know, Putin's organization. Really? Really? Really, Jason? Julian Assange is the PR agency for Vladimir Putin. I mean, he's off the reservation with his shit. I don't want to explain to Julian Assange, you know, the PR arm of, you know, Putin's organization, or to Putin, how you're getting your information. Trump is an absolute unmitigated disaster right now. This is incredibly dangerous when it comes to cybersecurity. You never explain how you catch people. That is like a proprietary secret that you would never want Putin to understand because then they can close those loopholes

1:29:10 They can close the access we have to their information. It's a disaster. I think what you want to do is you want to back your team in all things. First, hear the information first and then form an opinion. Forming opinions and then spewing them on Twitter at 6 a.m. or 7 a.m. without thinking about them or having collected the information is idiotic. Let's not sit here and try to normalize what Trump is doing. This is insane behavior. And we're sitting here trying to pretend like, oh, but he's so good at Twitter. He's so good with this, you know, negotiating on Twitter. This is not a normal negotiation. We're dealing with superpowers and information about rigging and dismantling our democracy. There is nothing normal.

1:29:54 normal about this. This is idiotic, dangerous behavior. Let's not sit here and try to normalize it. He will certainly be asked to come back with that kind of talk. They love that. Yeah, probably. But that's I'm very disappointed. Well, I am too. I didn't realize he was such a hillbot. I don't think he's a hillbodies. He's just trying to be you have to be to me. No, no He's he's trying to be a cyber security expert, which is that's the whole reason why you know, Tina and I watched the McAfee documentary of course after she went into the show notes looked at the clip and said boy you guys made a good call not to play that and then we looked at the call. Okay, you made the call I'm just saying because you I was getting resistance and

1:30:40 Yeah, but I didn't push. I mean, ultimately, I control the knobs. I know you wouldn't do the same thing when you insist on something. I don't, I'm not gonna cover it. Okay, fine. Okay, you get all the credit. Good man. I don't want the credit. I just don't want, I just don't, I just wanted to make clear that you would have played the clip. No, I don't think so. Anyway, that documentary, I will tell you right now, that is, McAfee's behind it. He is behind it. What? Oh yeah. Oh, for sure. He's behind it and it is positioning him as a cyber security expert. Okay, I have not seen the clip. I mean the documentary in its entirety. I would have thought it was because of that sub clip that we put on the show notes which anyone can listen to. Yeah. I would think that it was a hit piece. In context of the documentary, it only adds to his craziness

1:31:35 Which I'm telling you this thing is a propaganda Documentary for him to reposition him as a cyber security expert which he and I mean and the clue for me I should have clipped it the clues closer to it than Cali canis. Well, that's for sure the clue was He ran for Libertarian candidate and came in second behind Gary Johnson That is not how a documentarian would position what happened in with the primary. I mean, he was not even or close to, I mean, he was, okay, second, but nowhere close to Gary Johnson in votes. So that was, it's, I'm telling you, you watch this thing. Okay. I'm taking your word for it.

1:32:19 He's pretty much insane though. It's really crazy. He's always been a little nutty. Yeah. Still owes me dinner. But anyway, uh, after hearing that what he likes to eat, I'm decided that I'm not going to take him up on the dinner he owes me. One other thing just before we take our break. Um, Sunday night I watched just, you know, Tina wasn't here. That's when I watch, um, Grand Tour. I watched Jay Leno's Garage and I also watched The Accountant, Ben Affleck movie. I just watched that a week ago. Well, what did you notice? Oh, uh, I didn't, I just enjoyed the movie. I didn't notice anything particularly. I noticed at the end, I thought it went very heavy on, we have to respect our autistic children. They could be brilliant. Yes, I got that. There was a message in it. Who was the executive producer of this movie? I don't remember. Munch, our new secretary of the treasury.

1:33:18 Munch yeah, he he was also executive producer on Sully executive producer on Mad Max. This guy's a huge Hollywood guy Really? Yeah, yeah Yeah. Yeah. Munch is exactly... So I immediately went to see if he had, I couldn't find it cause it was this morning before the show. I have a feeling that he may somehow, maybe has an autistic child or something. Cause there was such a strong, it was like the Autism Foundation had financed part of the movie. Yeah, well because at the end it was all about he you know he this guy steals money left and right not steal he gets big fees for working with Shady characters right that's beyond the run all the time and then launders the money only so I can give it to this one operation Which is a autism kind of a hotel yeah, and he was autistic himself of course But yeah, then I look into the IMDB of munch. Oh my god. This guy has done a lot and He's a Goldman guy isn't he?

1:34:18 Goldman or I think JP Morgan almost I think is a Goldman guy and I think he's part of that division of the company that does a lot of finances movies and he's like shows up as executive producer I think I could be wrong. Let me see I have it caught me off guard Yeah, it was like whoa. This is interesting Here I can find it here. I think we need to figure out how to pronounce his name Munch is good Munch Munchin okay IMDB check this out. You'll love this okay IMDB Here's his most recent movies

1:35:02 The ones that are coming out, the Lego Ninjago movie, but the ones we would know, Sully, The Legend of Tarzan, Keanu, Batman vs. Superman, Dawn of Justice. There's a ton of them here. I don't know all of them. The Man from UNCLE, the 2015 version, Mad Max, Fury Road, American Sniper. You know, the guy's been around. The Lego movie. There's a lot of movies. The money guy. Yeah, that's the real money guy. Yeah. I thought that was interesting. You get some money people too, you know. Yeah, but I thought that was interesting. I thought it was interesting. Yes. So with that comment, I would like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you John C, where the C stands for cyber reports are better when we do them, Dvorak.

1:35:53 In the morning you mr. Adam Curry also in the morning the all ships at sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there yes in the morning to everybody in the chat room no agenda stream calm thank y'all for being here and massive numbers good to have you and in the morning to our artist supreme and Nick the rat who got it he always gets it when it comes to simple artwork. This of course was for episode 8, 9 or 2, Foot Stomp. Yeah, he did a blue hat with Make America Sick Again, which was exactly, exactly, just spot on, spot on the money. That's actually what we requested. That was, yeah, it's exactly, it is indeed exactly what we requested. Now, there's something else I was going to say about that.

1:36:36 Oh, yes, the the title was foot stomp and we received a lot of a lot of notes I'm sure you received him as well John. No Oh foot stomp is It's a real training if you're a cadet in the army This is what you learn. I'm gonna foot stomp that into you So it is a term it is a military term that we just not familiar with well coming from the guys chief of DNI Intelligence guy. I'm just saying You know, I appreciate the notice. Well, let's thank a few people. Okey-doke.

1:37:14 starting with our first and only executive producer for this show, Uncle Dave. He's actually a guy, one of the guys who contributes to the Vorac blog. Oh, yeah, I know Uncle Dave, of course. Uncle Dave, and he's also, he works in the gaming industry. He's in Henderson, Nevada, and he donated 333.33, and he left a note with a check. Uncle Dave, here, after my invention of the small boobs donation, It's pointed out that the big boobs and small boobs donation leaves out a portion of the female audience as a result I'm inaugurating the flat chested donation of $111 and 11 cents What makes this an even greater figure is that if you triple the amount you get the magic number donation of three three three dot three three Which is what I'm nice. I like that flat flat chest times three one one one one one

1:38:08 I'm in my early 60s, saving what I can so as not to have to retire to a mac and cheese lifestyle. Donating money therefore has to be for something truly important and that means no agenda. Nothing pointed out how important what you two are doing than the item on Pearl Harbor Day where students going to the memorial weren't only ignorant about the attack, they didn't even know who we fought and who won the war. Remember that? Yep. The best podcast in the universe is fighting this kind of ignorance with which the media and government wants us slaves to wallow in. And it's that worthy cash money out of my pocket. And that's worthy of my cash money out of my pocket. And it isn't that always agree with your conclusions. In fact, it's precisely then that I did

1:39:00 often learn the most by questioning what I thought I knew or believed. Your recent war on cash segment was of special interest to me. I recently had two credit cards canceled because both had fraudulent charges on them that, to their credit, the card companies took off. Problem was, until the new cards were mailed to me and activated, I couldn't use them. I had to use cash. Just another reason, while hearing someone say they don't have any cash on them, I tell them that's foolish because they never know when they'll need to bribe a cop, pay off a judge, or bail a hooker out of jail. Happy ways in Nevada. Apropos of that, please play the Bush Just Send Cash and the Donating is Love jingles. Keep up the good work and always carry cash while listening to No Agenda, Uncle Dave in Henderson, Nevada. Okay, Donating is Loving, I think was the title of that.

1:39:53 Yes, and I'll add a little extra one on there for him. And a karma. And a karma, yes, of course. Take that to the bank. You can take that to the bank. Why? Because donating is fun. I forgot that one. You better hop stash because there's a war on cats. You've got karma. Nice. That was good. Thank you. Anonymous Baronet in Las Vegas, Nevada. This is right up the street from Uncle Dave, 22222. Anonymous Baronet, I hate talking politics, so I'm sending in this question about climate change anonymously. The theme of the show is that the media manipulation and propaganda are typically done for profit, either to protect the profits of a company like Atrazine

1:40:51 or to create new markets like vaccines, assuming climate change is BS. Who is spending all of the effort propagating this? Carbon trading appears to be going nowhere. Alternative energy proponents certainly use climate change to sell solar panels, but buying solar panels usually ends up being a cost-benefit analysis by the homeowner. Many academics receive lots of funding to study climate change, but to what end? Where is the product? More papers about climate change? Lame books and second-rate documentaries? If man-made climate change is happening, the effects appear to be slow and subtle. The world is certainly not ending in the next 50 years. Regardless, I'm not seeing where the big profit scam is or how climate change itself is a complete fiction. Any insight you can provide would be helpful. Jingle rests. Well, I said it before, I said this is a way to identify the sheep.

1:41:45 It's actually a grand scheme. It's a meta. Extremely meta, yeah, I agree. That would be very meta, yeah. Okay, onward. Well, thank you Anonymous Baronet. Appreciate that. Yeah, and we'll keep it in mind. We'll look for the... I'm sure that there'll be something shows up. Will, $203.33. That was 220-222, I believe, before that. Correct. Dear John and Adam, although I remain happily employed, I have applied to a position at a firm on a different industry. I love my current job, so if things don't work out, it's no big deal. As such, I would like to offer my situation as an opportunity to test the efficiency of the Trump-only jobs karma.

1:42:25 We don't have a do we have a Trump? Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yes. Okay as a bonus test I will also attempt to leverage my newly obtained associate executive producer credit at some point during the hiring process should results from the karma be forthcoming. I will report back on my findings the But in the interest of further establishing a robust knowledge, this is good. I'm glad these people are... I'm very happy with this too. This is a great idea. This is a great idea. I'm surprised someone else hasn't done it. Well, it's risky. It's risky. It's risky. It's risky. It's risky. It's risky. Full of risk. He says, establishing a robust knowledge base regarding no agenda karma and its spatio-temporal effects. So all this listeners should attest you to serve a vital function by providing an oasis of truth. I like that.

1:43:15 To those who struggle to subsist on low-fat diets Yes, this is great love and light so he has jingle requests though, okay, he wants Bill nigh these are shorties to yeah, these are good. Yeah, bill nice so come on champ. Yeah, I thought was kind of a an outrageous Thing to do the head don't be a denier and then the aforementioned Trump jobs. All right Well, I cannot wait to find out if it works. It may be super karma. We don't know we don't know we've been Cautious in testing that so okay. Thank you. Come on champ. Show us how tough you are

1:43:58 The science is in! Science! We are going to stand up for the American worker like nobody has ever stood up for that worker before. Our economic agenda can be summed up in three very beautiful words. Jobs, jobs, jobs. You've got karma. Let me try the other one while we're at it just to make okay jobs jobs job Now everything's in there Okay, we got two things. So we still you still have to be broken down to I thought I had a Maybe this is it. Okay. This is the one jobs jobs job. There we go. Oh

1:44:54 You've got karma. Now, there we go. Boy, if he didn't get enough karma on those three times, I'm not gonna... That guy's gonna be in the cabinet. That guy's gonna be in the cabinet. But that'll take probably less to pay. Finally, Eric Ross and Corona California, $200. John and Adam, I started listening to the podcast around the middle of 2016 and became an instant fan of the show. This is my first donation and a de-douche would be greatly appreciated. Hold on. You've been de-douched. All right. I was hit in the mouth by a co-worker and since then have hit a few people myself. Love and light to you both for doing what you are doing and keeping us sane. Can I please get a we and a Putin yell? I would also love to hear a drone again naturally at the end of the show if possible. Yeah, I'll give him the shorty here. We'll do that one. You've got karma.

1:45:55 And I'll put the long version at the end of the show you guys and that concludes our small group of executive and associate executive producers for show 8 9 3 I believe yes 8 9 or 3 a couple of mentions here at the top I've put search back in the show notes after enough bitching ah finally figured it out And it works very well also on mobile I also wanted to mention that we messed up our sole executive producer on the previous episode as we credited Andrew Coppikin, but it's Adam Coppikin. Oh. Yes. OK, well. So that's taken care of. Corrected in there. So yes, yes, I've corrected it in the notes and everywhere. I can't, of course, can't go back and correct the audio, but we apologize for that. Other good news, Dame Angela from Las Vegas. He was in the vortex, I guess. Yeah, he was. Adam, I'll see him later. He's going to come out to the Bay Area. No.

1:46:56 Dame Angela from Vegas, of course, who produced the I Love Laundry tour has agreed to produce the Australia and New Zealand tour. Does it have a name yet? A title? Well, we have a couple of names. The Hokey Pokey tour, for some reason it's funny in New Zealand. It is? Yeah. The Pavlova tour. Not sure what that means. Pavlov? Pavlov's dog? I don't know. The Pavlova. I don't know why. But I did get a kind of a concerning message. Yeah, that apparently Australia is very sharp on people who come in and do stuff without filing the proper paperwork. So if you do a documentary or anything else like that, or if you come into work and do shows, that if they hear about it and

1:47:49 The person who told me said, you know, they're pretty sharp about this stuff. It's not easy to do stuff in Australia. You know, if you want to move there, you have to be a rocket scientist or have a lot of money. That's pretty much the only way I can be, I guess, marriage I can get you in. And he said, you know, you really need to get the proper paperwork to do that, which I think is okay. He, our producer even said, probably if you talk to the tourism bureau, they may even pay for the trip. which I don't really want, but I do want, I don't want to get kicked out of the country if that's really true. I think it is. You just, yeah, you should do some, I would talk to the tourism bureau. Right. They would help you out on this. Right. But that, but I don't want, but I don't want, but I've done tourism bureau stuff and then it's like, well, you got to talk about this. You got to talk about what we'll fly on Qantas. You got to talk about Qantas. Well, don't take the free trip. Just have them expedite some of these issues. Okay. Well, we'll be working on that anyway. So we're getting serious about this. I'm excited.

1:48:47 Okay. I'm glad you're equally as excited about the tour, John. That's fabulous. I'm thrilled. I'm all jacked up. I'm sure you are. Oh, yes. I'm still trying to get the damn train museum thing going here. Thank you very much to our executive and associate executive producers. We really appreciate that and we'll be thanking more people later on in our second segment. Remember another show coming up on Thursday. Dvorak.org. And even if you're down under, you can... Oops. How did that happen? That's not what I wanted. Even if you are down under, you can always get ready for us by propagating the formula. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

1:49:31 Hey, citizens. Shut up! Shut up! Fact check false? Yeah. Okay. Maybe we talk about Fort Lauderdale for a moment, about the shooting at Fort Lauderdale. Well, do we have any... Yes, we should. I have the long... I have the full NBC report. I have a kind of an overview, shorter report from NBC, but the long report, which is long, you can just kill it. but is the one in all caps. It says Fort Lauderdale FULL.

1:50:11 Okay, what's long let me see that's not too long. Let's have a listen for a background evening Airport baggage claim became a scene of carnage and bloodshed when a gunman began firing into a crowd of arriving passengers today at Florida's Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport 13 people were shot five of them killed before the 26 year old suspect was finally subdued the shooting touched off a panic that sent passengers and and airport workers fleeing onto the tarmac. SWAT teams descended on the airport amid concerns there might be other attackers. I gotta say something about that. When I saw the footage of people running across runways, all I thought to myself was, this airport has no plan.

1:50:54 That is a security risk. Social Security breach associated with that. That place had no plan. How can people run out on active runways, active taxiways? That was truly insane. I thought it was going to do a kick out of it. I know how airports work. This was a breakdown. But tonight police say the gunman operated alone and had himself just arrived off a flight and used a weapon that had apparently been in his checked luggage. Our team is in full place with coverage of the attack and the investigation. Let's begin with NBC's Kerry Sanders who's been at the scene all afternoon. Kerry, what's the latest?

1:51:35 Well, good evening Lester. The airport remains shut down, all roads in and out closed. There are tens of thousands of passengers who are being told to still remain here and shelter in place and many of them are panicked and anxious even now after witnessing the horrific deaths here. Just before 1 p.m. as passengers gathered in baggage claim in Terminal 2, shots fired. A chaotic and horrific scene. Bags scattered, frightened passengers and airport workers streaming out, gathering on the tarmac. Officials responding within minutes. Attention all units, be advised, Comair, a critical incident is being worked on at this time on Taxploot Channel 1.

1:52:16 One witness told us the shooter was relentless. He continued firing and I know that at one point he stopped and reloaded and continued firing again. The Wexler family were headed home to Denver after a Caribbean cruise. We looked down the end of the terminal and started seeing people running. Figured it might be a good idea to get out of there. When it was over, eight wounded, five dead. Broward County SWAT teams, deputies and the FBI swarmed the area immediately looking for the suspect apprehending him shortly after. 26 year old Estaban Santiago. His route he flew on Delta Airlines from Anchorage to Minneapolis and on to Fort Lauderdale nine hours in the air. The weapon he used in the attack was in his checked luggage. According to witnesses after he got his luggage he then got the gun loaded it in a bag

1:53:08 and began shooting without saying a word. He allegedly reloaded several times. Once he ran out of bullets, he allegedly put the gun down and got down on the floor waiting for authorities. We have the shooter in custody. He's unharmed. No law enforcement fired any shots. The subject is being interviewed by a team of FBI agents. Alright, that is part of the background. We're missing some pieces there, but that was well I got another little before we do that before we do that because I want to get into that I know what you're gonna do

1:53:45 First, we need to go into the immediate reaction and analysis that was taking place on the news channels. CNN knows exactly what's going to happen with their panel of former Secret Service dudes and other douches. This is a wow. I've never heard of this. I just brought, you know, I brought two handguns down to Charleston, South Carolina just last month. What? Why did they immediately make that the point? Yeah, wait, wait, you'll hear it Would you have to do is you have to go when you go to Kennedy you go to the poor Authority police? They checked your weapon. They checked my permit make sure everything's okay, then it's got to be put in your luggage Yeah, so apparently anybody can do that who's licensed, you know because the police at that airport will specifically show that so I think if this man put this weapon in his luggage like like that and whether or not he checked it or not there's a possibility they might not have caught it and

1:54:34 and was able to retrieve it. But he could have done it totally lawfully. Yes, it could be totally lawfully. And then decide to do this. So let me ask you this. That rule is changing. You can see that. There's no question about that. It's going to be new legislation. It definitely is a game changer at this point. Just that fact, if that's correct, checking firearms is going to change moving forward. I mean, it almost has to. This is now a new procedure and it's unfortunate. It's just when you think of everything we go through to get on a plane these days, right? Shoes, liquids, searching.

1:55:15 to think that, you know, someone could grab a firearm and could place it in there lawfully if you fill out the proper paperwork, right? And then you get to baggage claim. Right. And you pull the gun out because there's no metal detectors. No, not at all. What a disaster. Clearly we have to look at this. This is a loophole that needs to be completely changed. Oh yeah, it has to be completely changed. Hold on a second. Stop. Are these people insane? Tell me what the difference is between what that guy did and me taking a gun or saying the guy himself taking a gun, going down to the second level, walking into baggage claim, which there is no, there is zero. Exactly. It is, of course, it's the Achilles heel. And shooting up the place. What's the difference? You can walk straight into baggage claim. Everybody can walk into baggage claim. Yeah. That's over.

1:56:06 No more happy hellos. But now they're going to change all the laws because of this situation, even though that situation has nothing to do with... But John, think about it. Think about it. If you are L3 or one of these Homeland Security, you know, contracted companies, Oh my, now we get to protect baggage claim, which means we'll have, you know, you have to come in through a metal detector or a body scanner. You can't just come. No more happy hellos at the airport. Uh-uh. No, no. Shut up and sit in the cell phone lot. There's a meme for it, too. We have a meme. There's a meme. The other challenge that we have is that you are able to check a firearm and the procedures here in place were followed. But we most definitely and I'm going to go back to Washington and start work on this need to review the procedures. Not only the question of whether or not you should be allowed to check a firearm when you travel at all.

1:57:03 rather than ship it or transport it in some other way. But we need to more minutely examine the question of if you are going to continue to allow that, in what way are we going to reunite you with your firearm? I love that. How we will reunite you with your firearm. Debbie Washman Schultz. Yes, we could tell. That horrible voice of hers. It's like scraping your fingernails on a chalkboard. Now, a piece of information came out and then where it came from, from all the reports I have been able to assess,

1:57:42 It was not from the intelligence agencies themselves or from the FBI themselves. I have not been able to find an official statement from them, but everyone was in New Jersey. They were outside some aunt's home. Some reporters got in, talked to them. A number of reporters were able to go inside and speak to the aunt. And the aunt actually said that her nephew had a baby, that he's the youngest of five siblings. They live both in Puerto Rico and also in Florida, which may explain why he was on his way to Florida. She said that he served in Iraq from December. I'm sorry, from April 2010 to February 2011. That was in Iraq. He was deployed. When he returned, she said that he was really acting strangely and he was discharged in August of this past year.

1:58:32 And a couple of months later, that's when he walked into the FBI agent saying that somebody from the US intelligence agency was speaking to him. He was sort of hearing these voices and that's when he was questioned and taken to a medical facility for that mental evaluation. So FBI does admit that, in fact, I have the, hold on a second, I think it's this one. They admit that he did walk into an FBI office, but no mention of this... In Alaska. Yeah, but yes, but no mention of this intelligence talking to him and telling him to watch ISIS videos, but this is what the official word was. The individual did walk into our Anchorage office in November.

1:59:15 He came in and spoke with FBI agents. At that time, he clearly stated that he did not intend to harm anyone. However, his erratic behavior concerned FBI agents that were interviewing him, and they contacted local police and turned him over to the local police. He was taken into custody by the local police and transported to a medical facility for a mental health evaluation. We looked at his contacts, we looked at, we did our interagency checks and everything, and at that point we closed our assessment. Alright, so two things about this. One, this is the second FBI failure. The previous one was the Orlando nightclub shooter, Pulse, Omar Mateen. He also was investigated by FBI. So two failures. I have to call it a failure. But what interests me... No. No?

2:00:13 I'll explain my point of view. Well, let me just finish and then that may help you with your point of view. This FBI agent on the scene, they flashed up his name, George Pirro. I'm like, wait a minute, I know this guy. George Pirro is not just any FBI agent. He is the special agent in charge at the Federal Bureau of Investigations Miami field office. He was the team leader and lead interrogator of the Saddam Hussein interrogation team. This is the guy who interrogated Hussein while he was imprisoned in Iraq. And through his conversations, he learned that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction at the time of the invasion in 2003, but he had some other info. But this guy is a top-notch terrorism guy from the FBI. I thought that was interesting he shows up.

2:01:06 Yes, I would think. He was in 2007, he was serving as supervisor of FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in the Washington Field Office. So, I don't know. I just thought, hmm, okay, that's an interesting guy to roll out to be the spokeshole for this incident. Yes, it seems unlike that. I don't know why they do that. Play this one. This is somewhat of an analysis after the long NBC report. This is the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting clip. Oh yes, I have it here. Got it. This correspondent Pete Williams has been working his sources all day. He joins us now from Washington with new details. Pete, what can you tell us? Well, Lester, law enforcement officials say tonight that they do not consider this an act of terrorism. They say the suspect was struggling with serious mental health issues.

2:01:58 Officials say Esteban Santiago was undergoing treatment for mental health problems, complaining that he was hearing voices. They say a few months ago he walked into the FBI's office in Anchorage, complaining that the CIA was forcing him to join ISIS. Officials say local police were called and he went voluntarily to a mental health facility for treatment. His aunt and uncle in Union City, New Jersey, near where officials say Santiago was born, say they believe he developed problems after a military deployment overseas. Military records show he signed up for the National Guard in 2007 while he was living in Puerto Rico, where the family is from.

2:02:37 The records show he was on duty as a combat engineer for 10 months in Iraq, returning five years ago. He was discharged last August. Family members say he went to Alaska looking for work where he had a son and was receiving psychological counseling there. Investigators say they've heard from witnesses that who say he got into an altercation on board one of the flights, but whatever that was, it wasn't serious enough for the airline to call the police. So tonight it's still unanswered why he opened fire and why in the Fort Lauderdale Airport. Lester. Pete Williams, thank you Pete. And word that the alleged gunman had apparently retrieved a firearm from his checked baggage before opening fire

2:03:17 is shining a spotlight on a whole new set of concerns among them. What are the restrictions on checking a weapon on board a flight? And what about... Yeah, well, there's a simple fix, but that's not going to be the fix they come up with. I mean, you can obviously say you can check your firearm, but no ammo. That would be the way. That would be good, yeah. But that's not gonna... but the problem is obvious and the solution is a bunch of money waiting to be picked up. Oh, we have to... Yeah, that sounds right to me. Yeah. Now I was concerned about... I mean, I might have my... I have a crackpot theory. I'm taking your position on this. You come up with something better.

2:03:53 theory about this whole thing. But I was very concerned about the widespread panic that took place, and you talked about it a little bit already, but apparently it was way beyond that with people in the other terminals thinking something was going on in there, and the general public It's very, to me, it's very disconcerting how they panic to such an extreme. And it's almost as though this was like a test of this. Everybody is so wired and so keyed and so, has been so traumatized about airport shootings. Thank you, media. Yes. Completely this is a clip from NBC's of discussing that would happened after the guy was actually already in custody Which one is it John Oh for Lauderdale widespread panic yes?

2:04:41 And around 2.30, more chaos. Panic in another terminal, Terminal 1, as passengers there thought they heard more shots. Authorities telling them to evacuate, also to evacuate Terminal 2. People ran outside, falling in the rush to get away. Others, like Callie Hazelgrove, hiding best as she could. There was another shooting and something like this in the airport for a while and then we realized everyone else was gone so we ran outside. Those already outside running and crouching, taking cover behind cars. Around the same time reports of a suspicious person in a parking garage nearby. It would later turn out nothing was going on in the garage and there were no shots fired in Terminal 1. Meanwhile a complete ground stoppage on all flights in and out of Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport. Yeah.

2:05:34 I find that to be... Well, there were other things. I mean, for the timing of this was interesting. At the same moment the intelligence assessment came out. So it was a lot of flip-flopping back and forth. And I'm pretty sure that it's much easier to just... For people just to hear the headline, Putin something. Okay, yeah. Because they're all looking... No one's afraid of... When it comes to Russia or crashing or being shot in an airline, in the airport, people are gonna watch the airport. And, of course, when you have a guy saying, they're talking in my head, telling me to watch ISIS videos, there's something going on. Well, I thought this was, here's what I thought, and from the most extreme crackpot perspective, and I've learned this from you, and also based on what we've seen before for the past two or three or four or five years that we've deconstructed.

2:06:34 This guy, and it's almost a comedy scene in a funny movie. This guy has been, supposedly now, this is only on from right-wing talk shows and it doesn't show up in any of the mainstream news media. He's a converted Muslim. Yes, that's what I heard as well, and he was living near him what the apparently the only mosque it wasn't living near He was a mile away from it, but it was from the only mosque in Alaska And that's why he was living in that little area uh-huh and so I think he was targeted This the crackpot theory now. I'm liking it so far so good He was targeted by the FBI to be one of the stooges because he was a convert. He has all the right elements. Now you can say, well, look, even the Puerto Ricans are susceptible to this sort of brainwashing. And the FBI... And veteran, veteran, veteran. You got crazy PTSD veteran. Everything's in there. So the FBI poses as the CIA. Oh man, yes.

2:07:30 to get him, which they've done before. They've done this before. They pose as another agency and they get him to get, they try to get him on board with their schema there, which is an FBI scheme to become like a shooter that they, you know, gets killed in the process. Which was the idea, of course. Which is the idea at the end. He should have been killed and so then he stupidly goes to the FBI itself and they're aware of this situation as oh my god this guy's in here talking to us. Throw him in the nut house as fast as you can. So they have him arrested and they throw him into the insane asylum nearby. But a clerical error lets him out.

2:08:11 A clerical, well either that or he gets out somewhere or another after he's been programmed at least or unprogrammed enough so that he knows to go to Florida and shoot up the place with a gun that he apparently has with him. And the idea is he goes nuts there, the Florida police go crazy and kill him, boom, problem solved. Yeah, that didn't work out the way they wanted it to. This will be interesting. That's because he surrendered. He put the gun down and then went into the position where you know, if you shoot me it's just murder. Yeah. And so they arrested him which was the big screw up in this scheme. I'm all in. I'm all in.

2:08:49 So now he's got a crackpot theory, all the evidence, CIA's involved, this was all part of the old six-week cycle and somebody just messed up, they picked the wrong guy, they didn't evaluate him properly, he wasn't gonna go for any of this. So now they're gonna have to kill him while he's in custody now. Did he travel through Canada when he came through? No, okay. He never traveled through Canada. It was a flight to Minnesota, but a Minneapolis from Alaska that means he was flying on Northwest right it was they never mentioned I don't know what the point of this Canadian story was all about I didn't quite understand that either. Oh

2:09:27 Go to, the Canadians don't let you have a gun in the country. No, they don't. I think it was just, no, I checked that. It was the needle to Canadians. Yeah. I think it was the needle to Canadians. The Canadian airlines really came out hard and strong all over the place and said, this is bull crap. This guy's not on any of our itineraries. Right. So they did that. Everyone dropped that line of question, of everything. They just said, oh, I guess we were wrong. And, but no, he went from Minneapolis and took a flight from Minneapolis. Well, in this case, you know, you're kind of like shields, you know? Or Brooks? No. What are you, Brooks? You're like on my side of the fence. Where's the pushback? Yeah, I know. Bad. Yeah, very bad. It's programmatically wrong, but okay. I like it. Well, it makes more sense than any other narrative. Yeah. Well, MKUltra is alive and well as far as I'm concerned. You know, on the last show we were talking about the

2:10:23 uh, the four black youths who had kidnapped the white youth and tortured him and broadcasted on Facebook Live. And we were talking about how the media obviously was not playing that up as they would if the roles had been reversed. If it had been four white youths and a black youth. So I have a couple of clips because what was interesting is that no one wanted to classify this in the media or even in the White House, you'll hear in a moment, as a hate crime. And I think they were all so afraid to be the first to classify it as a hate crime in case, you know, they were on the wrong side of history. It was really, really, really interesting. It was funny to watch. And I just before I roll out these set of clips,

2:11:11 The FBI, FBI.gov has the definition of a hate crime on their website. So let's review what a hate crime is just so we can see what they were hemming and hawing about. Yes. A hate crime. Yes. A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as, and I criminal offenses against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity. Hate itself is not a crime and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

2:12:04 So that is the definition of a hate crime. Not that hard. We actually have a political thing in here because of the Trump. We have a racial thing here because it's black versus white. And we have a disability thing in here. So it kind of hits three of the main points, but it nails it. Everyone's, oh, let's be quiet. Let's not say, and now CBS, These these a-holes are so biased. This is the initial reporting from CBS Radio Radio News the viral video of a beating and knife attack in Chicago suggests the assault had racial overtones CBS's Dean Reynolds tells us the victim is described as a mentally challenged teenage

2:12:46 Now, does that sound like it was the reverse to you? That's exactly what it sounds like and it's so shameful that CBS went out of its way to pull every example that you cannot get that clip now. I know they pulled it off. I got it. Thank goodness. Yes, that is shameful indeed. They call it was the worst example of anything or it made it sound like a bunch of white guys who are Trump supporters. Yeah, beaten up and calling n-word on this poor. Yeah, that's exactly what it sound like. I was really no setting. This is the best example that you could find of CBS the CIA broadcasting being extreme bias and trying to just cover up the story. Yeah, it was I but there's no explanation for this.

2:13:48 Now into the examples. Here is the Josh Earnest White House. Just I just don't know if we can call it a hate crime. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, disability, white, but it's very hard. Hey, why isn't that firing? Obviously, this is something that's gotten a lot of attention and for good reason. Would this rise to the level of a hate crime in your opinion? I think it's too early to tell. I certainly don't want to predict where the investigation would lead. I think our expectation would be that local law enforcement would follow the facts. And I wouldn't speculate at this point about to what degree federal officials would get involved for considering

2:14:33 those kinds of crimes. And it's really a decision by the Department of Justice to investigate a matter like this is something that is a decision that they would have to make alone. And it's really mind-boggling to me that The whole conversation is around is this a hate crime. It's a freaking crime You committed a crime of kidnapping asking for ransom threatening you Who gives a shit? Sorry timecode who cares this whole notion of hate crime now? It's about hate crime hate crime There's this is only being positioned now to talk about hate crime versus just crime

2:15:11 Now Don Lemon, as you know, he is the legend of the overnight television news business. He had a whole conversation with a whole bunch of people and why don't we ask the constitutional lawyer Jeffrey Toobin if this is a hate crime. Police say they're still investigating. They won't classify it as a hate crime. Is this a hate crime? Well, I don't know and I don't want to prejudge too much because you know frankly even the video has so much- It's so easy! I've just read the definition. How hard can it be to say yeah, it's a hate crime because you're a bunch of pussies is what you are. ...bleeps that you would need to hear what he said. Oh, there was too many bleeps. I couldn't figure out what the bleeps were so I don't know if it was a hate crime. Did you see the color of everybody involved? Here's some of the offenders, Jeff.

2:15:59 shouting, F Trump, F white people. Do you think that this was politically motivated, a politically motivated crime, or these just stupid kids? This is my favorite. This is the narrative. They were just stupid kids. So the options are, was this politically motivated or just stupid kids? The option, glaringly missing option is, was it racially motivated Don Lemon? I get really mad at this guy now. ...a politically motivated crime or these just stupid kids? I mean that's all your options, just stupid kids. You know, I'm gonna say the three words you're never allowed to say on cable news which are, I don't know. No, gee, cop out. P-U, you know this is, the liberals, at least the contingent that's running things.

2:16:52 The narrative is that blacks cannot be racists. That's correct. And therefore could never take part in a hate crime because you have to be a racist to do that. Well, let us then listen in on a conversation between Don Lemon and Robin Sanders. Robin Sanders, black woman, it's notable in this particular clip, who used to be Bernie Sanders' PR manager. You know her. Big mouth. Why don't we ask her? So now we have two black people who have an opportunity to do something good here. I can't say that it's a hate crime because Chicago police won't say it. They're saying they're still investigating it. They're not investigating. They're not done with their investigation. But when you look at this, Simone, they're saying, Simone, I'm sorry, F Trump. How can you say it's not a hate crime against the white people? Simone Sanders. So first I want to say this is absolutely sickening.

2:17:46 It's unfathomable that so much hate and anger can fill up a person where they go out and they think that this is okay. And then it was stupid to do it on Facebook Live, but that's a whole nother story. See, there's the meme again. Stupid kids. Oh, just stupid kids. Just stupid kids. You watch, they're just stupid kids. So this is absolutely sickening, but I'm going to say something that's probably not very popular. We cannot callously go about classifying things as a hate crime. Motive here matters. So, was this for hate of Donald Trump, the president-elect, because of the things that he has said, or was this for pure hate of white people? That matters, because if we start going around and anytime someone says something or does something really egregious, really bad and sickening in this instance in connection with the president-elect or Donald Trump or even President Obama for that matter, because

2:18:33 their political leanings that is slippery territory that is not a hate crime hate crimes are because of a person do you hear this she's talking the hate crime out of it because well you can't classify people saying bad things about Donald Trump as a hate crime maybe when you're pushing someone's head in the toilet and saying it maybe that's a hate crime I'm just maybe you have to flush it before it's a hate crime racial ethnic in sides we've talked about white nationalists and white supremacist and the k k k but they're also this when this inflammatory rhetoric is out there when someone is repeatedly telling you that your community is the worst of the worst um... it brings out the worst of the worst in people and so i'm not defending what they did it with these young people did with sickening i would i would argue that they also need some help in in addition to using uh... you know some consequences

2:19:43 This just didn't come out of thin air. It's not a hate crime. It's all Donald Trump's own fault. Boy. Trump's fault. I got nothing after I hear that. Just, wow. You know, if you haven't seen it yet, I know you love the comedies. Dana Carvey has a new comedy special out and it's titled Single White Male Karma 60. And I have to say, he's brilliant. Every single, you know, everything you can't say as a white male, he makes jokes about throughout this entire thing. It's fabulous. My new hero of the single white old dudes. A lot of comedians are rebelling against what's going on. They have to. Because it's ruining their audience. They can't do gigs at colleges anymore. All that's left for comedians is podcasts.

2:20:38 And they're all doing them. Yeah, because they can't go to college campuses anymore. They can't go to comedy clubs. Everyone's getting butt slammed. Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen a new Carvey thing, but I would assume that. Of all the people getting screwed by the situation, he's one of them and I can see him doing a very good bit on it. He also does a brilliant bit. Oh, check it out. He also does a brilliant bit with Netflix, right? Yes, he does a brilliant bit where he's Paul McCartney and he's talking to John Lennon, who's in heaven, and he's explaining iPhones and the internet and Kim Kardashian. It's fantastic. It's really, it's very good. It's very, very good.

2:21:23 Okay, what else do we have? Well, do you want to would you like to take a break or? Well, let me just sit as a little entremont. Oh, yeah, I got one. I got a little entremont before the break. All right flew Flu? We just got the flu. Yeah, it's the flu. Now a warning about the flu. The CDC says this season is worse than last. More than 10,000 reported cases nationwide. It's hitting especially hard on the coasts and reaching epidemic levels in Washington State where at least 10 people have died. Wow. The doctors do say the flu shot is a good match for this year's dominant strain and it's not too late to get one. Oh, there's the promotion. There it is. Yep, gotta get that in there. You know, I was disappointed because I had this clip from

2:22:09 Thursday show from the local Washington State Broadcaster and they did they messed it up here according to dr. Jeff Duchin at Seattle King County Public Health the number of people seen at hospital emergency rooms with flu-like symptoms is more than they've seen at this time of year than in the previous five years This graph helps illustrate the situation in our state right now. In the 51st week last year, the percentage of ER visits jumped to 2.2 percent, spiking earlier and almost at the same rate as the peak high of last year, late February, 2.9 percent. So what we're seeing right now, spiking

2:22:53 earlier and almost as high as last year. Since the season began in September statewide, there have been nine deaths and this is very concerning to officials. The state is now declaring the flu widespread in Washington. And while all age groups appear to be affected, the incidence was highest among children and young people under 24. And here's the bad news. Dr. Duchin says as far as the flu, we haven't peaked yet. But she forgot the payoff. I was very disappointed. Oh, she did. That's a total screw up. Very disappointing. I didn't understand why she messed that up. That was weird. All right.

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2:29:30 Robert Cohen, Parts Unknown, and that's a group, one, two, three, four, five, so he's only seven, curiously. Seven. And Brandon Turner in Kingsman, Arizona. I think one of these has a, he's in for 55.55. I was hoping to get a, oh, okay, you got a pen, because he needs a birthday call out, I forgot to tell Eric. I was hoping to get a birthday call out to my daughter Harper. She is going to be six on January 7th. Six, mind you. She listens to the show with me and likes to sing along to the jingles, especially I've Got Ants.

2:30:16 Yeah, I'm slowly working my way to knighthood. It recently had a couple of funny occurrences I wanted to share with you. I'm a real estate agent and got a listing at one two three three three Third Street. Mm-hmm. I was showing houses one of them had a manual key lockbox which are usually four to five numbers This one had four letters, which was odd. Oh I called the listing agent and I shit you not. Time code. The code was ants. No, hold on. We'll just do a little bit for his daughter. For Harper. Because she likes it. Just the beginning. It does kick in great, doesn't it? I got ants. Bum ba dum bum bum. Ants. I said I got ants. I got ants. God, I love that song.

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2:32:32 Sir Alan Bean over here in Oakland, California. Sir Brett Farrell in Oklahoma City. Jason DeLuzio in Chatsford, Pennsylvania. And last but not least, Sir Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina. I want to thank all these folks for helping us out, helping produce the show. $8.93. Yes, we really appreciate it. We also appreciate everyone who came in under $50 typically for reasons of anonymity. In fact, $49.99 is an anonymous donation right there. And people who are doing, were on the layaway plans, night way away plans, way away, way layaway plans or other subscriptions. We really appreciate everything you do.

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2:33:57 And we have no title changes, no nights, no nothing. But I do have a report. A report. Okay. Yes, this is a very important report. It is Pornhub's 2016 year in review. And I find it always very interesting to see what types and what categories of porn different countries are viewing. I think it tells you something about It's like, it reminds me of Legman's Rationale, the Dirty Joke, a very famous folklore resource that where Legman, whose thesis is that you can tell a person what their personality, a little bit about their personality, but by what kind of jokes, dirty jokes in particular, what kind of jokes do they tell?

2:34:52 Yes, you can learn a little bit. I would agree. I would agree. Yes And we learn a lot of very interesting things from the search behavior From different countries now first of all when it comes to just traffic in general United States top of the bill We win we're number one big foam finger. We watch the most porn followed by you always want to guess Let me think mm-hmm now. It's just done per capita or total population. I guess the Germans I No, no, no. United Kingdom is number two. Oh, I was gonna guess them. That was my second choice. Number three on the list is Canada. Number four is India. Number five, yeah, Japan. Then we get France, Germany, Australia, Italy, Brazil, Mexico, Russia, Spain, Philippines, Netherlands way down at the bottom there. Poland, Sweden, Argentina, Belgium, and bottom of the list is South Africa.

2:35:56 Now, let's look at the most searched for terms and these are pretty consistent across the board with some obvious differences per country. And there's a new entry that I'd like to discuss. Number one, and this, you know, it surprises me. I actually had a conversation not too long ago with the keeper about this and I'm surprised that this is the number one Well, maybe I'm not surprised when I think about how men are being demasculinized. What do you think the number one porn search term is, John? I would just type in porn. No, no. I mean, there's categories, you know? I don't know. I have no idea. I wouldn't have a clue. Tits? Nope. Lesbian. Number one. Number one search porn term. Lesbian. I would never guess that. No. Number two, stepmom.

2:36:51 What? Stepmom. Well that's even more surprising. Number three, MILF. Then we get teen, stepsister, mom, cartoon, hentai, massage, Japanese, and the new entry, Overwatch. Overwatch? Yeah! Yeah, that's what I said, Overwatch. I don't even know what it means. Uh, okay. This is, this shows you how culture is collapsing. Overwatch is a video game and it's really a platform at this point. I think it was who it was The old game guys who were the game guys you remember I'll tell you say overwatch was good son and Todd mint. No it was a Blizzard Blizzard Entertainment, yeah

2:37:43 And they have a toolkit so you can manipulate your characters. And there's a huge category in porn now is computer generated rendered porno. So you have these, you know, and a lot of these video game characters are already, you know, highly sexualized. So now they just have, you know, genitals and very... it's all animated, but it's real pornographic depiction. depictions. But that is a and this is high in several countries so we're going to get to that. After that, after Overwatch, an old favorite it's on the way down the list, Anal was just on its way out. Ebony, Threesome almost at the bottom of the list, Lesbian Scissoring, I mean jeez, you have lesbians at the top but scissorings is going away. Cream Pie, Asian Black, Squirt and Gang Bang at the bottom of the list. Now, let's look at by country.

2:38:39 United States now you heard some of these you heard some of the the search terms What do you think the top three are for United States remember? We are being I'd say number one was lesbian now It's actually stepmom number one lesbian number two stepsister number three okay. Yeah, and makes sense based on your thesis Yes, overwatch comes in at the bottom Now we'll go to... actually this is a quick intermezzo. Time spent per visit shows you something very funny. Of course we know there's a lot of fraud going on in the internet. So what is the number one country that spends the most time watching porn? Not us. No. We're number two? We're number three. I have no idea. The Philippines. Of course, that's where all the click farms are.

2:39:28 Oh, so they're not really watching porn. No, they're just clicking around and watching to hit all the ads. Yeah, they're doing what they do. Right. The Philippines and India both, which may account for some of India's numbers, are both click farms. So you hire them. This is a very common scam, which is why we ask our producers to help pay for our show because everybody else is scamming the advertisers. And that's how you do it. You hire, there's certain firms you can hire. And they will put together a click farm, and usually in the Philippines and India, and they just go on your site and start pounding your site with all kinds of clicks. And the advertisers go, oh, look at all the clicks they're getting. And number two, and I would wager they have some farms as well, is South Africa.

2:40:14 So either they're really horny or they got click farms. But they're so low on the overall list, why would they be so high on the watching? No, it's not. You're right. It's gotta be click farm. Probably a new area for click farms. Nice little category here. Time spent per visit for the United States. So states that spent the time the longest and then the shortest, which I guess you could extrapolate to say guys who take a really long time and who take a very short time. Mississippi watches porn the longest. Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, South Carolina. The shortest time, Oregon, Utah, Kansas, Colorado. Yeah. Okay, now we go into... I know, isn't that funny? United Kingdom. Let's look at their top searches. Top searches, lesbian MILF stepsister British. Stepmom, ooh. Lesbian seduces straight girl. Ooh, this is a good one.

2:41:12 And they do not have Overwatch on their list. We go to Canada. Canada also becoming very feminine. Lesbian, stepsister, MILF, stepmom, all on the top. But top gaining searches, and this is across the board, virtual reality. And, oh my favorite, oh Canada, oh Canada. Number three on their top gaining searches, surprise come in mouth. Wow, gee Canada, you're a bunch of nice guys. Hey baby, don't worry about that. Hey, that's a word to the wise if you're going out with a commit. Now, here's what I found interesting. You get to other countries like India and their top searches are Indian, Indian wife, Indian college, Indian actress, Indian teacher, Indian auntie, Indian auntie with young teen

2:42:05 So they're all about their own. They don't want to see any Americans. They want to see Indians. Japan, same thing. Top searches, Japanese, Japanese teen, Japanese amateur, Japanese wife, Japan, Japanese massage, Japanese school girl. Interesting racial overtones. You would think. Top gaining searches in Japan, Japan sex game show, magic mirror car. And Japanese amateur ass this is a top search and again for France we see French francesse mama francais Massage

2:42:42 Those are the top ones. VR again, really climbing the charts everywhere. Germany, of course. German, teen, Deutsch, German mom, mom, stepmom, stepsister, German dirty talk, massage. Wow, this is all about women in Germany. With gaining searches, virtual reality again, Skyrim. I did not look that one up. Real celebrity sex tape, ball busting and Oktoberfest. Yes. Now Australia. We're going to Australia. Oddly, Australian itself, bottom of the list, but lesbian, MILF, Asian, massage, cartoon, stepmom, boom, Overwatch comes in on the list there. Harley Quinn, I don't know who Harley is, she's some porn. Italy, also Italian. Oh, number three in Italy, foot job. Hmm, foot job for the Italians.

2:43:32 Let's see, they don't have any Overwatch, Brazil. Top of the list. But it sounds to me that Overwatch isn't on anybody's list. How is it such a big deal? No, no, it is, but they're not in the top. No, it's on everyone's list, but not in the top. But in Brazil, it is number one. Well, the Brazilians have a very strong social media structure to their society. And they like to, it's just a social, they're social. So Overwatch must be a social game. Russia also number one overwatch Spain number three overwatch the Philippines Not at all The Netherlands let me see No, no overwatch for the Netherlands

2:44:22 Okay, well I don't know what this overwatch thing is so I'm gonna have to look into it. Yeah, well here Argentina number two. What is it? I told you what it is. It's a sex game of like real life. No, no, it's a video game but just like Grand Theft Auto you can modify it. So they're modifying the characters and they're creating sex scenes that they then video, you know, that they capture and then publish that as a sex video. And they put storylines in it and all kinds of stuff. It's it's interesting, but the sad thing is it's not real sex. No Doesn't sound like real sex to me There's something there that needs to be looked at by someone who knows much more about this than we do Well what I when I run into this sort of thing I always say the same thing and I say it in my writings I say it everywhere I can and no one pays attention, but I say it anyway and

2:45:18 The sociologists that work at the major universities should look into this. They should. But here's the thing that threw me off though, and I'll end with that. They also split it up by search terms by gender. And this is, this really threw me off. So men's favorites, MILF, stepmom, stepsister, Japanese, mom, teen, lesbian, stepmom, mom and son, celebrity, sex tape, hentai, ebony, massage, cartoon, anal, and Asian. Women's favorites, lesbian, lesbian scissoring, threesome, big black dick, lesbian seduces straight woman, stepdad and her daughter, black, extreme gangbang, Japanese, gangbang, massage, lesbian threesome, cartoon, squirting orgasm, anal. I mean, wow, women.

2:46:06 So they're apparently pushing the lesbian stuff up. Lesbianism is in. It's hot, I'm telling you. I mean, as in trendy hot. Yeah. I don't know, John. I think someone should indeed look at this. Well, they should. I think there's something going on. There's been something going on and we're just the reporters. That's right. All right. Well, thanks for that report. Back to you in the studio, John. As long as it was. Come on. All right. You just don't like those words.

2:46:46 No, it's not the words, it's the length, which does have something to do with it. Okay, I got a couple funny things, I got this, well it should be part of the clip, Blitz. I have... I hear... okay, I gotta play this anyway. Let's play this. Do you not want to finish the Greenwald stuff? Because I thought there was more that we could do there. No, I think the Greenwald stuff was fine the way I did it. And we don't need the extra stuff. But I do have to play this because I have to... I wonder if there's mixed feelings at NBC when Jimmy Fallon does this gag. Now Jimmy Fallon is being introduced as going to be the host of the Golden Globes, which are tonight. Yes, that's true.

2:47:28 So he does this joke and I have to think to myself, with NBC, can the suit come up to him and say, you know, we're trying not to trivialize this, you're making fun of it, because it's really counterproductive for the narrative that we're trying to push in this country, that the Russians are bad actors. So you don't make light of it like he does in this part of the promotion for the Golden Globes. Biggest stars in TV. You must acquit. I love our life. Be sure to catch all the winners voted on by you, the Russian hackers. Jimmy Fallon hosts the Golden Global Wars. Don't you think? I think it brings the Academy into question, quite honestly.

2:48:14 I would say that if I'm an NBC executive and I know what I'm supposed to do and then he does this joke about you, the Russian hackers. That's a little rich, yes. I'm thinking, well, can we tell him? Can we gripe at him? He's at the number one nighttime show. Nah, it's just Jimmy, just joking. No, he's gonna die. He's just kidding around. I really think somebody talks, discuss this at the network level. That is funny. That is very funny. Yeah, Jimmy you wanted on the 34th floor. Here's my one of my favorite clips for today this guy's name I think is Dean Keyes ex-head of the NRA who was also a book writer and he's written books defending the Second Amendment and he was on

2:49:07 C-SPAN talking about his book and I believe it was C-SPAN, yes it was. And this is a little anecdote he threw in, I have a couple more of him that I'll use in other shows but this is an anecdote he throws in about The show they have it they play it on CNBC not CNBC, but on C-SPAN where they bring in a bunch of reporters and they host a breakfast and this guy's grilled. Oh gosh yes, yes I know exactly what you're talking about. You've seen this, it's Christian Science Monitor Breakfast or something. Yes, something like that. Here's his little story about this reporters and the gun show. During what we call our gun fight with when I was president of the NRA with the Obama administration I was invited to the

2:49:46 the Christian Science Monitor breakfast, used to be known as the Spurling Breakfast in Washington, so maybe 50 or 60 print broadcast reporters and they have a guest there that they rang or ask questions. So I was to be put on the spit one morning and somebody brought up the question of the gun show loophole and I said, I have a question for all of you. How many people at this table, how many of you reporters who write about this have ever been to a gun show? Nobody raised their hand. So I said, okay, it just happened that next weekend in Virginia, just outside Washington, is going to be the largest gun show in this region. So the editor of the Monitor will pass around a sign-up sheet and I will host you. I'll take you there so you can look at this. And then if you want, we can go to the NRA and you can do whatever you want there. So that way you'll know what you're writing about. And the poor guy called me Wednesday of the next week and he said nobody signed up.

2:50:45 My reaction was, why would you want to know about something you were reporting on? You know, so... Yeah, that would be crazy. Yeah, nuts. Don't be doing that. Don't be finding out about anything. A lot of people that are in the media, especially modern, new reporters and ones who don't even like to go drinking, a lot of these people would feel ashamed of themselves if they went to a gun show. Exactly. Are you gonna take him up on that offer to go to the gun show? I would never go to a gun show. I would never go to a gun show. There's guns there.

2:51:23 And that's the way they are. They're extremely kind of closeted. They won't really get out there. And there's a kind of modern reporting we get. They don't know what they're talking about. It's the same thing as not wanting to say something is a hate crime when it obviously is. It's the same. It's the same shame or worry or fear. I got a quick multi-part, really short clips about the women organizing the march on Washington, D.C. This is, now this is supposed to be a really big deal and I was interested because it was Carol, facebook.com slash carolcnn, who had these two women on. One is Latina, the other is, I don't know where she's from but she's Muslim, she's wearing a hijab.

2:52:10 And as I was listening to them, I'm like, oh my God. First of all, if this is how, you can probably just say people who hate Donald Trump are going to organize, this is going to be a big failure. There's so much hate. That they're not even really focusing on how to do this properly and how to communicate to people. And well, just here's a little intro of these two ladies and the genesis of the movement. The day after President-elect Trump is inaugurated, hundreds of thousands of women will take DC by storm. They have one mission in mind, send a bold message to our government on Mr. Trump's first day in office.

2:52:47 200,000 women are expected to attend. Joining me now are the co-chairs of the Women's March on Washington, Linda Sarsour and Carmen Perez. Welcome to both of you. Thank you for having us. So, you guys don't belong to any political group. Uh-huh. Yet, 200,000 women? Like, Carmen, like, how did you do that? So, really, a woman by the name of Teresa, who's from Hawaii, put up a post and sent it to 40 of her friends. And when she woke up, 10,000 women were joining her in Washington DC and so there were other women who also had kind of felt this despair after the election and wanted to find hope in DC together. So this woman has given her blessing to other women. One of our other national co-chairs is Bob Bland who's also founder of the March. Now this is interesting because it was kind of a throwaway line at the end there about Bob Bland. I'm like Bob Bland? Who the hell is Bob Bland? Well, Bob Bland, you've got to check this out.

2:53:45 is a woman. She's the CEO and co-founder of Manufacture New York, a social enterprise that is rethinking the fashion ecosystem and creating a new vertically integrated business model that will transform apparel and textile production for the 21st century. So this is a bunch of fashionistas is the way I see it. Oh, Bob Bland's going to be there. You know, who gives a crap about Bob. She's a VC funded shill in the fashion industry. So then let's talk about this grassroots movement that includes shock celebrities. This is a grassroots effort and because we don't belong to any political groups, we have no loyalties to any political groups that we are able to show what ordinary Americans are capable of doing. This is going to be from the grassroots up. We have bus. Do you think they're trying to say it's grassroots here? You think I get the impression that might be grass roots involved. Yeah, but there's money in there with VCs and

2:54:39 Bland and across the country in over 45 states we have about a hundred and forty four sister marches that are happening Sister March we here in the United States, but also in Europe and places like Australia We have so many exciting people like America Ferreira. Oh yes America Ferreira another fashionista she was on the the that fashion sitcom whatever the hell it was and Perfect Betty Betty Betty Dumbo or was it whatever it was so I have no more fashion. Yes People like America Ferreira who is part of he she's a chairing our artist table artist table, you know Carmen's Mentor Harry Belafonte is a honorary coach. Oh, yes, Harry Belafonte Gloria Steinem is what that who just came on board and so we've been very intentional No, no, this is they are not affiliated with any party whatsoever now now comes the part where the you could see the organization is stupid

2:55:35 So just listen. What is the point? What is that? Thank you. What is the point? What is the bold message you want to send? What bold message? Send to the Trump administration. I mean, look, you cannot ignore. We're saying 200,000 conservatively just based on the numbers of buses that we have. Because there could be random people and random buses that we don't know about yet. that we will not be ignored there. We want our president-elect in the new administration and our Congress and Senate. This is not just about Donald Trump. This is about our government. We are women. We will protect the most vulnerable amongst us. We are intersectional human beings. We are... Intersectional human beings? What does that mean? I looked it up for us.

2:56:17 Intersectionality is a term first coined in 1989 by American civil rights advocate and leading scholar of the critical race theory, Kimberly Williams Crenshaw. It is the study of overlapping or intersectional social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, and discrimination. I think what it means, if you're intersectional, is you can be just as big an asshole as men. I think that's the idea. I think. Yeah, I think you're probably not right, but there's no definition that that makes no sense what you just read. But that's the definition. And she's the one who defined it. Think that we should we are intersectional podcasters. I think it's people that are standing in the middle of the street They don't really know where they should go is just one of those streets. I cross here across the middle You have to go one by street our government intersection. Yes in total that we are women We will protect the most vulnerable amongst us. We are intersectional human beings We are impacted by so many issues including reproductive

2:57:16 rights but also issues of immigration, of racial justice, religious freedom issues. So we are going to be out there with a broad spectrum of people from climate justice to reproductive rights to women's rights to immigration. So instead of one bold message it's going to be a hundred people. We're going climate change and I was be like well gays. I mean this is gonna be horrible This is not gonna focus your right no native issues and native issues. We're here. We're watching you We're ready to fight back And this is what happens when ordinary people are gonna stand up and say we're coming to you to Washington to see on your first name So that is clearly clearly a very bold message, but really in this the last bit just a shortie You can really hear that really they just hate Trump. That's what it's about

2:57:56 And putting women is one thing. The idea that women are so shallow that we cared when we see other women. Women doesn't mean that you stand for my issues. So if you're appointing women but you're telling me you're going to defund Planned Parenthood, I don't want to hear that. So I think he needs to understand that women are a lot more sophisticated, we're a lot more intelligent than he thinks we are. Than he thinks we are. Ah, there you go. So they just hate Trump. That's pretty much it. If you just hate Trump, then come on over and do your thing and just hate Trump. That's what it will be. Alright, alright, it's time Okay, the blitz clip blitz yes hold on I only got three left

2:58:38 The final submission of the votes in Congress when Biden was up there and the Democrats who always accused Trump of doing this tried to interrupt the final electoral college count in the session of the House and Senate. In the day's other news, the election of Donald Trump as president was certified when Congress tallied the electoral college votes. Vice President Joe Biden presided as a number of House Democrats objected, but none had the support of a senator as the rules require. Even as people waited hours

2:59:17 There is no debate. If there's not signed by a senator, the objection cannot be entertained. Mr. President, the objection is signed by a member of the House, but not yet by a member of the Senate. It is over. Mr. Trump finished with 304 electoral votes to 227 for Hillary Clinton. Let me throw a clip in there because Biden said something at the end of that which you didn't have on your clip. The purpose of this joint session having been concluded pursuant to the Senate concurrent resolution 2 of the 115th Congress, the chair declares the joint session dissolved. Now listen, wait for it. God save the queen. He says God save the queen at the very end. Very funny. It's another no agenda.

3:00:22 FaceTime manslaughter story? Tech giant Apple faces a new lawsuit over a popular app used by millions. Parents in Texas contend a driver was distracted while using Apple's FaceTime when he hit their car and killed their five-year-old daughter. The suit questions whether Apple should do more to stop accidents just like this. NBC's Miguel Almaguer has that story. Cute little girl too is a shame. Air rage and conclusion. It's another no agenda. Air rage seems to be taking off from this brawl in a flight from Baltimore to this takedown in Charlotte to pop star Richard Marks helping subdue an unruly passenger last week. Worldwide there were more than 10,000 cases of air rage reported by airlines last year, a 16% jump from the year before.

3:01:23 I don't think that alcohol really is the cause of the increase in air rage. The real cause of air rage increase is the lack of personal space on aircraft. No, the shocking thing about that story with Richard Marx is he's married to Daisy Fuentes. Yeah. Well, you may not know who that means, who that is. I work with Daisy. She was an MTV VJ. Right. And that she would marry Richard Marx, believe me, from people from my era is mind-boggling. Okay. It's mind-boggling. Well, I found that the guy who does one expert comes out and says, hey, Yeah, it's too not enough space. Those things are too close together. Definitely good. That's it? Okay. Yeah, I think I'm done. It's another no agenda. Cliplets! Alright. Good cliplets. I'm done. Are you cranky? Yeah, I'm cranky. Why?

3:02:20 I'm supposed to be, I'm hired to be cranky. You want to hear a story that would make anybody cranky? So in Oakland, this will be my last clip. Oh, okay. Hold on a second. Yes. All right. Okay. This clip is called Oakland Police Chief. Now I have to say, there's this woman, she is a gray haired old lady. She has been hired as Oakland, they can't get anyone to be the Oakland police chief because it's impossible city. It's just a mess, that town. And so they hired some old lady who really has never been a police chief except in Spokane, Washington, where they ran her out of town. And so she's really, this is going to be one of the funniest things you've ever seen, but she sounds kind of like an old lady. She's got no real big town experience whatsoever. And she's an old woman. She's like this old woman.

3:03:12 woman. I have one that not disparaging all the elderly's that listen to the show. I'm an old man, okay? She's an old woman and so let's play this clip. Oakland's new police chief says she's ready to hit the ground running. Veteran law enforcement leader Ann Curtin Kirkpatrick says she has the courage to transform the beleaguered Oakland Police Department. So we're moving forward. We'll learn from the mistakes of our past, but the past is behind us now. We learn from that and we're moving forward. Kirkpatrick's 34 years in law enforcement includes serving as chief in several cities in Washington and most recently heading up police reforms in Chicago.

3:03:53 The Tennessee native says she's not afraid to hold officers accountable, but promises to also be their biggest champion. For the men and women of the Oakland Police Department, I also want you to know that in this chief, I have the courage to stand by you. And I will. I'm glad and I think all the officers are glad that the uncertainty of not having a chief has now ended and we actually have a chief of police moving into the new year. Kirkpatrick will be Oakland's first female police chief at a time the mayor says the department needs a change in culture. But Kirkpatrick says it's all about leadership, not gender. I am a leader who is cloaked as a woman.

3:04:37 And I'm grateful for being a woman, but I will be your leader. I'll be your Führer. This woman mayor hired her. Yeah. And this is not going to end up well, I can assure you. Do you think this was actually a gender hire? Is that your feeling? Yes, I think it was totally a gender hire. Yeah, well, you better get some guns up there. Well, I don't live in Oakland, thank God. Yeah, but it spills over, man. Well, it's gotta spill over one, two, three, four towns. Too many towns. Before you know it, they're walking across the mudflats. Well, they could. Except for today, it's been raining so much. It rained... Actually, funny thing is, as much as it's rained, the mudflats are still there. Oh. Huh. You'd think. Yeah. We need a high tide. All right, I'll be watching for any Illuminati devil worship on the Golden Globes, of course.

3:05:36 It's my beat. The Golden Globes doesn't have so much of that. Well, we'll see. And we'll of course we'll see the big controversy. I'm sure they leave someone out of the dead segment and everyone gets all pissed off about it. That always happens. Oh yeah. Yes. And of course we will return on Thursday to bring you another Best podcast in the universe another episode of it. I think you got something out of this one think of Maybe helping us out there with a small contribution That's right remember us at Dvorak org slash na and coming to you from the crackpot condo here in the skyscraper downtown Austin Tejas We are the capital of the drone star state located in FEMA region 6 on all government maps

3:06:15 Until next Thursday everybody, in the morning I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley where this deluge has actually stopped. Although it looks like it's going to reconnect later. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday right here on No Agenda. Until then, adios mofos! Donate to No Agenda They give us shows week after week Donate to No Agenda It's a show that's really unique Donate to No Agenda Listen to John and Adam speak Donate to No Agenda Science is turning into a clique Flying over Afghanistan

3:07:17 Or maybe it was Pakistan I promised myself to aim myself at every woman, child and man That was on my list I don't care if I missed I'm remote controlled I do what I'm told By someone at a computer Obama gave me a push More than Bush And I cost millions I'm supposed to target terrorists But not so much civilians I don't know what to say Whoops, some got in my A drone again Naturally

3:07:59 A drone again, naturally. F you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news. Why don't you get your Gitmo fix? Putin on the wrist, dressed up like a million dollar trooper. Trying not to look like Anderson Cooper, super pooper. Come let's mix where John Podesta walks with kids, oh I mean pizzas in his midst. Putin on the wrist.

3:08:39 If you see something, say something. To accept the science of climate change that 98% of the world's scientists believe is true. How do you know that 98% of the world's scientists believe what you believe? The answer of course is you have no idea. But how do you know 98% of the scientists... I mean I often hear people say that. How do you know that? It's just a simple question. How do you know that? The answer of course is you have no idea. Well, you know what? With your giant research team, you can send people out and find out about it. I'm merely asking you to explain something you just said live on our show. 98% of white scientists believe that. How do you know that? Are you a scientist? Have you polled other scientists? Where'd you get that figure? We're practicing a species of religion where anybody who doesn't agree with anything you believe is a heretic and should be penalized. No, no, that's not true at all. How do you know that 98% of the world's scientists... The answer, of course, is you have no idea.

3:09:46 How do you know 98% of the science? I mean, I often hear people say that. How do you know that? I'm just asking a simple question. How do you know that? The answer, of course, is you have no idea. I'm a skeptic of everything, including your answers. How much does that make any sense? Amen. Fist bump. Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe. Dvorak.org slash NA.