Foot Stomp

00:00 Mr. Tick, that's right! Adam Curry John C. Dvorak And it's Thursday January 5th 2017 this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode 8 9 or 2 This is no agenda Listening to Clap or Clap Is Trapped on a show day and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in FEMA Region 6 Austin Tejasia In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where they're dragging garbage cans all over the place today I am John C. Dvorak No, you really have stopped Plato says it's really over yeah New Year that's something I'm putting him in a little book and we're gonna have a play don't get into all agenda Play-doh says book Play-doh says giblet. You mean giblet? Yeah giblet Okay, let me put it out and use the create space or one of these Amazon has a bunch of create space. Yeah, uh-huh great spaces pretty good deal. Yeah, you could be rich

00:57 You could be rich publishing your own stories. That's right you could win Hmm, so I heard you on the recorder when was this was this on some other show Yeah, you were doing stuff in the intro man what are talking about? Yes of course you told me to yes I did have you practice at all on your recorder John. I don't know I do not practice a recorder. I am a natural Well So, uh... I play by ear. Oh yeah! I can tell it's great. I got my recorder yesterday Yeah? I have a Yamaha Alto You got a Yamaha?! I did man Well you went all out! Yeah well here is what happened I told you that if i get the thing in my hand I betcha' I can play the song I learned 37 years ago You didn't bet me No I said no I think I said I bet ya' I could do that

01:59 Hold on. Okay, here we go. Here we go ladies and gentlemen the show is stopped for the purposes of a formal presentation of a song on the recorder by Adam Curry I think i should need any little reverb over You're gonna juice it up with your machine? Yeah you can't- you gotta have reverb Oh my Almost there So...I pulled this thing out of the box I do that pretty much the way I just did it

03:19 And you know what Tina says? Aw, jeez. Now I'm living with John C. Dvorak. Great! So that's how much respect she has for your playing My playing is clearly better- I mean that- I'm sorry...I think that's quite amazing That the muscle memory is there after 37 years and I know what your problem is You're blowing too hard man No no no like breathe into it no just breathe Just breathe Just breathe No Okay nevermind I'll work with you after the show. And i'll tell you something, I'm not blowing too hard is this particular fine instrument which was made out of Bakelite it's called uh... the brand is First Note The chat room had the best remark said no man ever What? Well when I said don't blow so hard the chat room said said no man ever Oh You have to have sex understand the joke Uh huh

04:19 All righty, good. Okay good okay. That's a toenet yes you can put it down now that's fine. Ah Alright in the morning everybody today is the fifth day of the year of our Lord 2017 this morning all morning long we have very very in-depth hearings about The Russian hacks everybodys up on the hill talking kind of saying nothing Did you see any but this morning? No. Okay, Clapper's opening statement just a little bit of that he is the director of national intelligence. Yeah here we go. We also see cyber threats challenging public trust and confidence in information services and institutions

05:02 Russia has clearly assumed an even more aggressive cyber posture by increasing cyber espionage operations. I love cyber posture. Let me just write that one down actually, cyber posture. What does that mean? Well it's their posture... It's how they... Chip up your butt! Leaking data stolen from these operations and targeting critical infrastructure systems China continues to succeed in conducting cyber espionage against the U.S. government, our allies and U.S. companies. Intelligence community and security experts however have observed some reduction in cyber activity from China against U.S. companies since the bilateral September 2015 commitment to refrain from espionage for commercial gain

05:52 Iran and North Korea continue to improve their capabilities to launch disruptive or destructive cyber attacks, to support their political objectives. Non-state actors—notably terrorist groups most especially including ISIL—also continue use the Internet to organize recruit spread propaganda raise funds collect intelligence inspire action by disciples and coordinate operations So in this regard, I want to foot stomp a few points that i've made here before. What? He said he's going to foot stomp a few points! No, that's dumb why would you say that?! He's gonna foot stomp is that what he said yeah I think so let's listen to that again That was an interesting little thing there hold on...

06:41 So in this regard, I want to foot stomp a few points. I just kick you in the head. Hey, I want to kick you in the head so you realize this is it? Foot stomp like one of the things that are going to get is that I'm starting to notice stuff like this. In other words, these new phrases that kind of code. Yep. That are thrown into the mix. I got a real beauty later. I can't wait disregard and want to footstamp a few points that I've made here before Rapidly advancing commercial encryption capabilities have had profound effects on our ability to detect terrorists and their activities. We need to strengthen the partnership between government and industry, and find a way- Here we go again! That's my favorite. The intelligence community and law enforcement both operate as well as continue to respect the rights to privacy. Oh yeah. Hey if you can't even get the DNC to cooperate with ya, you're not gonna get industry to cooperate with ya.

07:38 Cyber operations can also be a means to change manipulate or falsify electronic data or information to compromise its integrity Which I don't think we have a single instance or example of not that. I know of no hasn't been one-sided I mean they tried that with the DNC hack so all this is you know They changed it might have changed it couldn't I don't may not be the real deal beta or information to compromise Its integrity Cyberspace can be an echo chamber in which information ideas or beliefs, true or false get amplified. Or enforced through constant repetition. Oh all these types of cyber operations have the power to chip away at public trust and confidence in our information services and institutions quite a statement I think quite a statement oh it can chip away at the public trust okay

08:37 That was it? No, we'll have a... Now there was a question and this is about the impact of fake news and... Oh, fake news. Can you talk a little bit about- There's been a lot of fake news this week all from the mainstream media generally. Yeah well yeah, of course that's where it originates. Can you talk a little bit about the activities of the Russian government's English language propaganda outlets RT, Sputnik as well as the fake news activity we saw as well as social media and how those paint a complete picture that is supplemental to what we saw with the hacking in this case. I appreciate you're asking, raising... Asking what? What was that question? Well he's talking about the influence that the Russian fake news propaganda media has Okay That's what you say You're asking, raising that because well there hasn't been a lot of focus on the hacking

09:36 This was actually part of a multifaceted campaign that the Russians mounted. And, of course RT which is heavily supported by funded by the Russian government was very active in promoting a particular point-of-view disparaging our system You sound like me with Tourette's man.

10:18 Fissures. In our tapestry, if you will. Tapestry! Fissures in our tapestry. Wow another one I gotta write down. Oh man... Fissures in our tapestry. Now is that spelled with...? You know what? The guy's obviously been to the doctor he has hemorrhoids and these terms have kind of stuck in his brain And is that fishing with pH or was it with no fishers Fisher's F I s as you are ies. I think something like that Oh Fisher, there's a little just about all you have with hemorrhoids. He's got hemorrhoids this guy. Oh fine in our In our tapestry if you will they would exploit it and so tapestry now code name for a hole Hmm. I got a fishery my fissure in my tapestry and I gotta tell ya I'm pissed it would exploit it oh

11:06 And so all of these other modes, whether it was RT... Modes. Modes! Use of social media, fake news... Fake news is a mode? Hey John could you switch the show to fake news mode please? Okay switching modes Switching modes alright Alright we're now in fake news mode everybody They exercised all those capabilities in addition to the hacking and of course I think the totality of that, regardless of what the impact was which we can't gauge just the totality of that effort not only as D&I but as a citizen is of grave concern. In other words hours and hours of useless drivel on The Hill Life's typical There was nothing there! Yeah... I did get an email from our resident CISO

12:10 CISO which is of course is our cyber. What is CISO? Cyber... Cyber intelligence security officer, yes. And he is a real one and he says today I set aside an hour on my calendar to read the NCCICJAR that's the joint assessment report on the DNC hack. I have access to a slightly more classified version than civilians. Civilians get the TLP white while i have access to the TLP amber Ooh, the amber. Except it's not your cue. Now he says it is not the tip top but has a good deal more information than fully unclassified this additional info includes detailed technical information about the hack

12:53 The hour I set aside on my calendar turned out to be overkill since the entire report consisted of four pages of vague summaries. You can see that in the unclassified version as three pages, the same garbage followed by 10 pages of remediation techniques that any decent security person already knows cover-to-cover." That doesn't hurt... Yeah! That doesn't hurt so bad. Well i'm just saying this was in the Amber Report so uh yeah it wasn't any different is what he's saying? Well there was some difference he had um there's a spreadsheet that came along with IP addresses of the attackers He says, the thing is the IPs are from all over the world so and I have a copy of it. There's a few in the eastern block sure but this is full of so many holes you could fly a Dreamliner through and still have space to spare my team came back and detected several of these C2 IPS hitting our own network he's in the US I presume they also noticed a few similarities on how FBI claims that Russians penetrated the DNC and how several of these IPS attempted entry into our network

13:49 While our data is valuable, it is certainly not something an elite Russian hacking squad would go after. All good lies have a nugget of truth! Do I think these IP's and malware variants are made up? Of course not but they are outdated common IP's and techniques and one of the most powerful hacking squads in the world would certainly have better tricks up their sleeve And then of course he goes into the malware, which is what was detected was an outdated version of some Ukrainian stuff. Which I think you can actually buy on the open market Julian Assange mentioned this to Sean Hannity in his big interview, which proves nothing other than Assange apparently is still alive. There's nothing in that report that says any information was given to us! Nothing. What they have are what they call indicators. So a way to recognize if these tools, these alleged Russian tools have been used on your system? Okay so in response to that

14:50 some engineer at one of the US electricity companies found this signature on one of their laptops. Okay, so then this was analyzed by a wide range of U.S. computer security experts I've read those reports in detail and it's discovered that this is a commercially available tool produced by Ukraine! So it's straight out-of-the bat We either have... Interesting, he says instead of straight off the bat which is what we would say. He says straight out of the bat? Is that a... Or out of the bath! No, bat. He says bat. Straight out of the bat?! Yeah I think isn't it saying straight off the bat or right off the bat and is that a baseball term? Is that where that comes from? I would guess. The bat. We either have a deliberate attempt to mislead uh or thoroughly incompetent work. Straight out of the bat. Straight out of the bat

15:49 Play this clip, play this clip. This is the lack of proof clip. This is more Russian propaganda from RT but it seems to be true! The FBI never looked at the Democratic National Committee's hacked computer servers and yet still accuses Russia of being behind the attack Wow That's according to an article published online by BuzzFeed News Oh... The DNC The bastion of news Apparently nowadays. The intelligence agency never requested access to their computer servers, the centerpiece of the investigation. One US official told the site that no government entity has run independent forensic analysis of the DNC's systems. The FBI instead reportedly chose to outsource the task... ...to a third-party security company CrowdStrike in place of conducting its own analysis

16:50 Now the most recent report of released by the FBI again points the finger at Russia for having hacked the DNC a White House spokesperson who was questioned on Wednesday on the lack of proof presented in the document You know, I wonder what the what the security community thinks of CrowdStrike Because you know, these are the guys with a bogative map. Yeah that map with all those little arrows going back and forth... All the attacks going on! I mean if we're looking at that saying well those aren't attacks? I mean yeah it could be port scanning pinging whatever but it's not like oh my goodness they make it look like they were gonna make it look like those are actual you know attacks like you know garrisons of cyber troops running in. Ray McGovern was on RT

17:37 The ex-CIA guy who's really you know kind of a very where's he what did he do again? He's the guy. He said old guy who comes out and says that these guys are full of crap And then he tells you how she's clearly fishing in your stream them Exactly. And so he says that the NSA had continually calls this a DNC email, first of all let's back up and on the Hannity show one of the things that came out of Assange was that Podesta was the easiest to hack in the world He uses the password password. You think that's really true?

18:16 Well, because they have memos. They're memos within the pile of Podesta emails that Assange published talking about how he forgot his password and it was password! It was in there and then he apparently forgets all his passwords you can't remember anything He's not really a computer guy I mean i don't blame these especially that age group There's an age group between the old farts and the uh... ended at the moment not to have a lot of action how old is it how old is progressive you want to know in the book and i was like continue But Podesta's in that funny age group that never warmed up to computers, and I think he just doesn't know what he's doing. Which brings me back to a column I wrote in PC Magazine some years ago which I will reprise in a newsletter saying you should be licensed to use computers just like your license to drive a car. Yes yes 1949 so he's 67? Oh okay I'm wrong I'm wrong He's not in that age group he's just in the old farts age group he never got into computers to begin with

19:18 But anyway, McGovern says that the NSA keeps referring to it as a leak. They never say hacked and leaked means, as he describes it and I agree, leaked means somebody took a USB drive put it up against the server downloaded these emails and then took it over and somehow Assange got the USB drive because the NSA would know if anything else was going on in fact there's one clip I have here from another guy It was an ex, another ex. I got him the spook? Yeah the spook commenting on NSA. Uh transparent attempt to deflect attention from the real issues. What we know about the NSA and its systems capabilities is that if it was in fact obtained by a Russian government asset, that the NSA would be able to know that very quickly and immediately. It provided absolutely not a shred of evidence that there was in fact a connection between the government of Russia and Julian Assange's outfit right now who disseminated those emails

20:23 I caught former CIA director James Woolsey. Was he a good guy? I don't really remember. Woolsey's working as an advisor to Trump. Ah, okay that makes nothing but sense then. Okay hmm all right you should know that. Wait let me finish my little one thought here with McGovern If a guy took the USB drive and just stole the stuff from the DNC, we can just discard anything about the Podesta emails because it was apparently anyone could dig. Some kid did that obviously or Assange himself for all you know Is that the guy who so obviously did this was the guy that was execution style shot in the back of their head and not robbed. Seth Rich. In Washington DC, who worked for the DNC and nobody's talked about that guy ever again! And then curiously Assange just put up a fund to help him with his funeral expenses Yes Yeah I mean that's the guy! It's just that two-and-two! Anyway you were saying?

21:31 Thinking about some of the things I was studying over the past few days and you know The Clinton body count seems to be rising strangely enough You'd hope they go away, but no let's listen. They're still worried about I mean even though Trump says he's not gonna do anything about the Foundation I believe that oh no and then I want to talk about that a bit later Definitely there's a lot of stuff going on so here is a CNN with Cuomo of course who hosts there on CNN. And Woolsey has, I think we were supposed to hear something from Donald Trump it was supposed to be Tuesday Wednesday and then he said well you know look the intelligence agencies are not coming through they're not giving me what they want what i need and of course with the way the reason they did that the way I see it is they wanted to have this hearing today to get the news cycle and then trump could say whatever he wants because it'll just be well trump said this and here's all these experts

22:28 Here's your intelligence community. picture who was involved, who else was involved what trickery is involved why they did it that all those are separate considerations but I don't remember you to my recollection ever questioning the intelligence reports that Russia was involved here. Your comment? The intelligence reports usually say something more than somehow involved but i want to go back to your initial use of the word behind who uh... is behind this

23:15 This is not an organized operation that is hacking into a target. It's not like taking the number at a bakery and standing in line to politely get your dozen cookies you want to buy, it's more like a bunch of jackals at the carcass of an antelope Is it Russian? Probably some...is it Chinese or Iranian maybe Who knows? Somebody may be getting more and more information about it. We may find out more from Mr Trump coming up today, we may find out more from the people in the intelligence community but

23:56 It shouldn't be portrayed as one guilty party. It's much more complicated than that." If it is, just a couple follow-up questions for you... The intelligence community has not communicated it the way you just did? They don't say, we think it's Russia and so-so. So when Clapper came out in early October with his assessment of this he included nobody else He talked about Russia and to what the president elect may or may not say as you know It is reported that he was going to come out with what he knows What can he know that the intelligence communities? Don't know We do know

24:33 There's a mixed signal from his own team about whether or not he has gotten any intel reports about the hacking specifically. But what could he know that the intelligence agencies do not? Well, you could have people talking to him from within the system I've had a couple talk to me And when something like this drags on for a substantial period of time, people in the system sometimes will call you. So I think the possibility that there's more than one country involved is really there and I don't think people ought to say they know for sure that there's only one...I don't think they're likely to be proven correct." There you go!

25:15 So it's not just one, they're just gonna make it very confusing. Yeah the whole thing is confusing and as far as I'm concerned its still the guy that's dead. Just took a thumb drive stuck in grabbed all that stuff walked out with it got caught got shot Here's the NBC, here's the NBC. You know, NBC is trying to keep this story alive I think what's going to happen... So it's CBS by the way? I got a CBS clip that'll show that. Well there's the NBC rundown let's try this transition background but lemme just make my prediction which is they're gonna try and keep this thing boosted

25:54 to give Trump a lot of, you know like just to instill the public with this notion till it's kind of stuck in there. And then when Trump transition team actually takes over and they put new guys ahead of director of national intelligence get rid of Clapper who is a liar. And then they're gonna come out say hey this was all bogus and no one is going pay any attention that news isn't gonna cover it It sounds about right. Let's listen to NBC. ...know about the cyber attacks during the US election, this as his advisors continue to question U.S intelligence about Russia's involvement. NBC's Kristen Welker has details... Tonight new fallout after that cryptic New Year's Eve statement by President-elect Donald Trump that he might have more information to reveal about those hacking allegations against Russia I also know things other people don't know

26:46 And so they cannot be sure of the situation. I want them to be sure." Today, the president-elect's team pressed for details about what Mr Trump knows and whether he'll make it public before his midweek meeting with intelligence officials. What does he know Sean? Well, you know we'll wait until Tuesday or Wednesday. What we're really trying to figure out is how certain are they of the intelligence number one? Number two how proportional is the response to what happened on Sunday a plane carrying 35 expelled Russian diplomats left the United States part of President Obama's retaliation against Russia after he says the country hacked the emails of some top Democrats all

27:25 of it setting up a potential showdown between Mr. Trump, who has cast doubt on Russia's involvement and Congress including some members of his own party." It is clear that Russia has attacked the United States of America. Big shock! All our intelligence agencies... Hey by the way McCain I was watching this body language expert on YouTube and obviously it doesn't make any sense to play this on the show because you really need to see it she She did an analysis of McCain and he was doing a wreath laying somewhere with Lindsey Graham. And she said, this guy in his own mind is acting like he was elected president.

28:10 It's possible he knows that something is going to happen and he is gonna be on deck somehow. I don't know how, but... He's acting like he's running the whole show. Who the hell knows? He's just deluded! Oh, but he's dangerous. He's dangerous this guy is dangerous He's diluted with Lindsey Graham as a is it should be voted out and you know they have their new girl now? Oh who's this because they lost the other one they lost a odds or no a odd did it lose it No was it hey I say I cuz she lost the election cuz she was a douchebag So now there are new girls because they have to have a girl of course Amy Klobuchar

28:53 I don't know do I know her yes hmm dingbat way worse than Kelly a hot Oh gosh, okay. President-elect Trump wishes the Russia issue would go away but Republican hawks on Capitol Hill like Senator John McCain they're gonna make sure it doesn't The president elect is also drawing battle lines in other areas making his intentions clear at a New Year's Eve party and his Florida resort over the weekend. Regulations are coming off. We're going to get rid of Obamacare.

29:34 On Wednesday, President Obama will head to Capitol Hill to strategize with Democrats about ways to preserve Obamacare. And earlier today he announced to deliver a farewell address in Chicago next Tuesday. the broadcast arm of the Central Intelligence Agency. CBS News has learned that over the last few days, U.S. officials have begun investigating new and potentially successful cyber intrusions raising concerns that Russian hacks might have been more extensive than originally thought

30:20 And government analysts are still investigating if Russian hackers successfully breached Vermont's electrical grid. Malicious code found on a utility... They're still talking about this, even though it has been debunked like a week ago. Wow. ...malicious code found on the utility company laptop has been traced to what they call Grizzly Step, a widespread cyber espionage operation linked to Russia. This is nonsense! A widespread cyber espionage network linked to Russia. A widespread cyber espionage operation linked to Russia. Well, I just want them to be sure because it's a pretty serious charge. But President-elect Donald Trump continues to express doubt about Russia's involvement.

31:09 I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation. Mr Trump promised new information on Tuesday or Wednesday but Sean Spicer the Trump transition spokesman seemed to walk that back Well it's not a question of just really revealing remember the president-elect is privy to a lot of classified information intelligence reports he gets briefed by his national security team on a daily basis But it is unclear where... Wait a minute, I thought he refused! He doesn't want to have the briefing. That's not possible! But it is unclear where Mr Trump or his national security team are getting their intelligence reports Jeff all US intelligence agencies are in agreement that the Russian government with the blessing of Vladimir Putin orchestrated aggressive cyber attacks prior

31:58 and during the US election. Okay, well we'll hold your feet to the fire on that one. My favorite quote I think it was from Obama he was reiterating this all they all agree he says and that's so rare that they'd all agree yeah that's the giveaway exactly So why are they suddenly all agreeing on this one thing, which is sketchy? It makes zero sense. These guys just keep doing this...it's unbelievable to me! In the Dutch newspaper yesterday big news that of the 900 IP addresses in that Amber report 140 were located in The Netherlands

32:45 Those bastards. I think we should start sanctions against the Netherlands! Kick out the ambassador? That's right, and put me in. God, I'd love to be ambassador. Oh my god... You'll be a good ambassador. Oh it would be fantastic. Ambassador to the United States in Amsterdam. Oh my god, party! What else would you do? Party! Supposedly the best job is an ambassador to the Vatican How about the ambassador to Jamaica is what I'm thinking. Well, that would be... That would really do it. Yeah but you can get shot down there. Yeah it's kind of bad. The ambassador isn't real popular. You're right, you're right. The Vatican has got the best wine. And does that mean you get to sample as an ambassador? I guess so! All you have to do is have dinners.

33:39 Just in the, uh...in the—and I know you have a couple. I want to transition to a bit of fake news. I was really really blown away by this tweet that Donald Trump sent about North Korea Because I tuned in yesterday. Everyone's talking about it, oh my god! Oh he is trying to do policy again, oh it was very dangerous, very dangerous what he's doing. It's so dangerous those tweets are dangerous Very very dangerous Let's listen to CNN had the report, very short just so you know what happened North Korea leader Kim Jong-un New Year's Day message He's almost ready To launch an intercontinental ballistic missile and ICBM that someday could hit the US Now

34:27 That is the entire statement. I'm not entirely sure if that was an editorialized statement by saying intercontinental ballistic missile, that could reach the USA? I don't know if that was editorialized or if it wasn't in the actual news release but for the past 48 hours whenever Trump sent this tweet out All I hear is, you can't do foreign policy in 140 characters. 140 characters! Everybody's doing it now. Everybody's doing it. Oh 140... So the BBC... Now remember what you just heard? Actually I have Trumps tweet

35:09 was pretty much saying ain't gonna happen. North Korea, ICBMs toward the US not going to happen that was the tweet which is the way I would look at it too it's not gonna happen what are they gonna do? Well but first of all if they said that and of course CNN repeating it If North Korea actually said we're gonna fire off a nuke ICBM that could potentially reach the USA for someone to say oh yeah bitch not gonna happen...I kind of like that But listen to how the BBC framed it. Well, another extraordinary episode here and insight in fact into the way Donald Trump intends to deal with some major issues once he's US president He has just dismissed North Korea's latest claim To be developing a missile capable of delivering a nuclear strike against the U.S. He did it via Twitter that is what he tends to do isn't it Mr Trump highlighting A boast in the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un New Year message

36:05 that preparations for a missile launch had reached the final stage. His view on that? Very simple, it won't happen! We're trying to work out quite what that means expressing doubts perhaps about North Korea's nuclear capabilities maybe suggesting preventive action not quite clear I mean no i mean this is insane they're just they're trying to mind read now and then and what you're seeing This anti-Donald Trump tweeter thing is fear. It is fear of the mainstream media who are being cut out

36:46 This is I think you may be right because there's been more talk about him bypassing the mainstream media by just directly communicating with the public through via these tweets and the mainstream media. I think you're right It is completely freaked out about this because they are the gatekeepers Yes to what he's thinking and what he's doing There are the gatekeepers that get to tell you What's what? There are the gatekeepers that get to twist the truth, to be honest about it Yeah And they don't like this idea because he, they can twist anything. All they can do is try to interpret in awkward ways like that you just played a what could he possibly mean by it won't happen? It could mean this, it could mean that so there behind the eight ball here I think it's well deserved

37:29 The mainstream media has not served the public. It's interesting how... They seem to be John McCain's propaganda arm, too by the way! Yeah it well that can only be a money issue I mean McCain is really the guy who's working all the military money and military money sponsors all news one way or the other certainly in public Well that big alarm icon? Well yes of course so yeah it will be interesting Have you seen Obama by the way? He isn't even in office yet and this is continuing. It's outrageous! This is the thing that so bothersome, it was like all this...it's just talk and talk and talk and no one's doing anything yet they're not in office although I do know there's gonna be very crappy time because Chuck Schumer who was now-and I've met him incredible douchebag he was I met him when Anthony Weiner thing

38:29 Yeah, I know Schumer is a horrible douchebag. Oh he's not but it's he's so arrogant He just like he looks down his nose at you all the time and he's saying aha We're not gonna we're not gonna help with any Supreme Court Justices were not gonna there were not going to get any of these You know these douchebags in and I do want to say Of course, what you hear everywhere is, oh you're supposed to drain the swamp. He's got nothing but millionaires and billionaires in every way...in everywhere." I am actually skeptical of putting together a business

39:06 administration because I've seen it and it was, it really didn't work out well. That's what happened in the Netherlands now there was a difference is that Pim Fortuyn was assassinated two weeks before his party won posthumously and then all these guys didn't really have a leader and it was a mess. It really was a mess and they only lasted like two years and just...it was crap everything was crap So, with Trump maybe... Trump's group is mostly military guys it seems to me. I don't see that many business people. Well we've got the guy, the banker for SEC, we've got Rex Tillerson for... The bank at SEC has always been run by the bankers. Well of course. Tillerson is the only one- I'm just saying he's not a military guy and he's not a military

40:00 Tillerson is the only one you can make an argument about, but if you think about American foreign policy being always about oil why not put an oil guy in there? That'd be kind of interesting. I'm not against it! I am just saying that i'm not convinced the business cabinet is assured to work. That's all I would want it to, I would want the oil guy to go well i know how this bull crap works we're not going to do this way anymore that will be fantastic but who knows? And I think that's what will happen because and I've said this before having worked both in the uh... I worked at an oil refinery then I worked for the government that inspected oil refineries And I've said this before, because people say oh it's a conflict of interest. You used to work for something you know now you're working on the other side and your just going to be on their side that's not the way it works right? It works the way you described it generally speaking its like I know how this game works so you guys can't pull this stunt with me Right Because this is what we used to do That kind of thing That's what really happens People take these jobs seriously

40:58 Before we go on too far, I do want to have...I have one long clip that I really would like to play but it's still about the Russian thing. Okay yeah good Now this is..I was thinking twice about because it's better to watch this clip than to listen to it but I think you get the idea by listening to it You've seen this This is Josh Earnest when he's asked the question of what proof they have about the Russians Yeah I left the pauses in Oh wow! So this is a one minute clip that is three minutes long. Takes him three minutes to get it out, I know. Okay! I won't do this again, I promise. Because I know you've been taking the pauses out. But can I play the recorder?

41:44 I think I'll time them. I'll time every Every pause see how long it takes about that okay, the time is each one and add them all together Okay Okay. Chat room, could you please do that for me? We really gotta stop with all of these terms Is it digital fingerprints?! That's tiring. Coming from a journalist who sounds like he has no idea what he is talking about. Is it human sourcing that you're intercepting phone calls and hearing Russians talk about this kind of thing? Where does the confidence come from? Well, I'm obviously quite limited in what i can say from here but I think there are couple things that I can point to

42:45 that I think answer the questions that you've raised. It's essentially two, the first is the statement that was issued by the intelligence community in October of 2016 before the election making clear that Russia was interfering in our election represented the consensus view of 17 different intelligence agencies That's not usually the way intelligence works That kind of unanimity of opinion particularly when the stakes are so high Is notable the decision by the intelligence community not just to reach that conclusion But to make it public is notable and I think it reflects the depth of their confidence in that assessment but your question goes to What explains the depth of that confidence? Why I think the only thing that's the thing. I'm already at 31 seconds Do you know that this cannot be done on mainstream radio?

43:59 This is like a violation of everything that the commercial system... Oh, he has too much dead air. Yeah you could be selling commercials in that air are you nuts? Actually if we have a 30 second spot you could drop in there because this guy He's looking at his hemming and hawing he's got no tab on his thing he can't answer the question he never answers it by the way he just goes well His answer is the following I'm gonna tell you in advance. His answer is the following, because that joint statement that was made by Homeland Security, the one that has the amber and yellow and red and white...because there were solutions mentioned in there—in other words don't get phished is what the solution is right? Right? Because that existed

44:49 Because that there was a solution in there that and time you can listen to this for yourself It's at the end because that solution exists proves. It was the Russians all right. There is no logic to this No chat room is still the timing good that i can certainly say from here is that there was a release last week of the joint intel joint um analysis report it was issued by the department of homeland security with a disclaimer that said we're not uh... we don't want any of this is true and the fbi and included in that report were specific including their report was specific technical advice

45:37 First year security students. Computer network operators, systems administrators across the country and around the world about steps that they could take to protect their networks from malicious Russian cyber activity I think that's an indication that there was a deep technical analysis that was done And being able to put forward that tactical analysis so the people could protect themselves from the Russians, I think reflects It was done that pretty definitively ties this back to the Russians. The other effect of releasing that information- Wait a minute, wait a minute! That was great! Hold on let's see... This back to- Now you gotta go back a minute. Oh jeez. The work that was done that pretty definitively ties this back to Pretty definitively?

46:38 Oh, that's like 97% I guess. Pretty definitively The work that was done pretty definitively ties this back to the Russians The other effect of releasing that information means Russia now has to go back to the drawing board and change some of their tactics Really? What bull crap It really is. You know, this administration is just lying bold face lying to the American public. But the problem I have is I know that there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of dudes named Ben who are all in for Bernie or all in for Hillary and hate Trump. And they see this! They know, but I'm not seeing any any of the guys I know on the bags or the grams or the twatters saying, This is bullcrap none of it and that is...I think actually if you're a dude named Ben which is our No Agenda term for a sys or network admin and you don't

47:42 Counteract that, your credentials should be taken away. Take away your Microsoft exchange credentials, whatever the hell is Yes, nobody I see the same thing cuz I'm hooked into that. You have just the tweeters of course I don't have a face bag Yeah by looking at these people that are these in this groups of them there most of the especially the female Sis up to female do they must be very conflicted right now? They're very conflicted but they won't say anything There's still Trump seduce bad. I hate him yeah It's unbelievable. Well, hey we know what's going on and we can read these reports then look... We've got our own cyber security officers and they're all saying it's bullcrap but no okay hmm have you noticed Obama has developed a tick under his right eye?

48:38 Yes, yeah. I have not noticed this but it wouldn't surprise me Yeah, well you've seen it before. I mean I'm very sensitive to this stuff because of course having Tourette's I see stuff immediately Mr. Tick. Mr. Tick that's right! Mr. Tick thanks yeah so he's nervous or maybe he's under stress or there's something going on He's under stress? Yeah. He knows he's lying. Must be super stressed You know, and he was supposed to be the guy that was going to be the new Clinton Foundation gold mine. And once the Clintons got in office they had to pass off some of their

49:19 Their scam off to somebody else and he was gonna be the guy now that that fell apart And now there's investigations. That's good We know you mean this they say there's not gonna be any but there's gonna be investigations once Trump is an office I mean if you remember that comment that one of them said It was either Hillary or Podesta or somebody says if this guy wins, we're all going to be hanging by a noose Well, let me get into this with you. And this isn't this is clipless There's a guy who I've been following for couple weeks now on the YouTubes named George Webb BB. Have you seen any of his stuff? No, you got me on that one. Okay so he is now up to day 73 today and I think it would be day 74 and the title of this short video is 10 minutes long where is Eric Braverman and this guy is intelligence guy...I can't find anything about him so who the heck knows what going on with his background information

50:15 But Eric Braverman was the CEO of the Clinton Foundation and he came here, and he has done an excellent job of connecting a lot of these people. And the Podesta emails if you recall there was an article that talked about how Chelsea That was brought into the Clinton Foundation. Her name was put on the masthead and she's in, and she starts to notice stuff and she starts asking questions we read a number of those Podesta emails people like what the hell is she doing tell her to shut up back off? And She brought in her former McKinsey colleague where she worked Eric Braverman to be the new CEO to clean stuff up and this guy quits abruptly A couple months before the election

51:03 And he has not been heard from since. He's supposed to teach, I think he teaches at Yale or somewhere but he's not showing up for his course... No one knows where he is and when you look at... So in this interview he said if you really want to find out what's going on and it wasn't attributed to him If you really want to find out what's going on, you know, you gotta follow the money. And then there's this Podesta email where this article is sent back and forth and then Podestas says this is Eric Braverman so on the radar. Eric Braverman is married to Neil Brown. These are gay guys. Neil Brown works for KKR which of course includes the famous Kravitz. Kravitz-Kohlberg. Roberts. The big boys!

51:52 Timber Sycamore and Operation Zero Footprint. These are the code names for Libya, there was a whole system set up for Libya which of course pretty much worked where you go in you get the rebels You make a deal with him, you give them arms. You take away some money. Then of course you want to strengthen stuff up and get some NGOs doing crazy stuff for he's a nutty dictator. You kill him and then you deal with the oil concession rights everybody kind of wins. And also in Gaddafi case there was his wife had 20 billion in

52:28 in a Swiss account. There was an estimated 300 billion in other Swiss accounts and then there was, you know, there was like 10 billion in cash and gold and stuff so... They steal the money! They steal the money but this is done with KKR who has inserted just before Hillary Clinton left the State Department. Because she had, and if you look at it there's like the people who were approving the arms sales which ultimately wound up in, you know, the hands of rebels they're all insiders including check that Jeremy Bash! Jeremy Bash former CIA guy and I've always wondered he used to be married to Dana Bash on CNN. I've always wondered why she was there

53:16 you know, it's like what's your background? Why are you interesting?" And then you see that of course we have all the connections between the people married to presidents of news at CNN and ABC. It was just a million things going back and forth. The system was... You get the bribe or the promise of the bribe through the Clinton Foundation. You approve the licenses for the sale of the weapons and-and the circle just keeps on going round and round she goes but The money, the way they were sending that money back and this is where I think the investigation will come is through the Canadian Giustra G-I-U-S-T-R-A Clinton Foundation something or others like a subsidiary.

54:02 And they would just send, the Jooster Foundation would send one big lump sum like a hundred million dollars a year from 1100 donors who are secret. And unlike the United States and Canada you don't have to necessarily disclose who these people are but of course you're going to see that these will be big state leaders all kinds Yeah, all kinds of corrupt guys who this has been set up to be a foolproof system. You want to make a little extra money? Here you can make a couple mil. So what happened and this guy is really interesting I watched it for almost six hours over the weekend

54:43 Was there going to be a link in the show notes? Oh yeah, I've got tons of notes. Tons of notes. Okay. So the idea was to do the exact same thing in Syria and of course we know that was for multiple pipelines but competing pipelines and of course it failed and what...the reason why it failed mainly is because the Stinger missiles were being flown into Jordan where they were training rebels And on then these C-130s with the Stinger missiles, they were going over to... I'm sorry, Benghazi. They were going over to Libya and Chris Stevens makes a phone call and says hey man this is messed up! This like C-130's with Stinger missile coming in four days later he's dead right? So there's a system which will...and Jordan is on deck

55:40 but the king of Morocco. And again, just look at the pipelines there's a new pipeline it blew me away when I found this the new pipeline is one that goes from Nigeria to Morocco now they tried to do this pipeline straight up through Niger and through Algeria and all this stuff to get to Morocco but of course as too painful um and uh the Nigerian oil is arranged by a former Mark Rich associate, I forget his name. I'll get to it in a second and so now they're building... Mark Rich of course is the guy pardoned by Bill Clinton Yes! And when you see that... International criminal Right with the lawyer who helped on that is What's this guy's name again? Hold on he's now he's now in the Department of Justice

56:33 Peter Kadzic, there you go. Peter Kadzic he took care of that for Mark Rich. He is handling the emails within the Justice Department this guy's a total stooge total insider and of course he went to college with Podesta so all these things get all neatly wrapped up So Morocco, they've got the Nigerian oil which of course is all stolen. We've seen what's happened in Nigeria, Boko Haram we followed that there were hundreds of billions of dollars missing already but oh no focus on the children who weren't gone who were gone who gives a crap? We don't care if they're back or not First Lady holds up a sign fine

57:10 So they're building this pipeline around the coast up to Morocco, and then from Morocco it goes into Spain. And that will be a different way of...and it's all about the same thing- cutting off Russia's sales to Europe. That's what it's all about! The reason why I think we're now seeing different moves in Syria and things calming down possibly is because of a new pipeline, the Trans-Anatolian Natural Gas Pipeline which runs from Georgia through Turkey. Oops got a small problem there! And from Turkey into Bulgaria and so it bypasses everybody again another end around Russia So the King of Morocco gave 28 million dollars to The Clinton Foundation of course and thanks for setting everything up

57:56 And, you know anyone who does this... King of Jordan. King of Morocco just look at what happened with your predecessors! This seems to be the system you know, get it all set up. Arm some rebels, boom! Steal the money control everything hand off the contracts the drilling rights the mineral rights handed off to your buddies and big oil etc... It's a very very slick system Ukraine no different You know, again it's about stopping Russian gas getting into Europe. That's you know successful to a degree but again who was in there? Hunter Biden Joe Biden's kid with the huge company that has oil drilling rights gas rights transportation right everything and as I'm going through this I realize that the code words used in these because Podesta is an integral part of this with Sid Blumenthal

58:55 and I don't even know how where to start explaining Sid Blumenthal other than he is the guy that actually hired the private army to be in Benghazi and in Libya. I think that, well first of all if you have money but you got billions of dollars art is a great way to launder money. You know it's a known perfect way Because you know, you're buying something a piece of canvas or whatever it is and paying exorbitant amounts of money So you could do a lot with art. I'm thinking maybe All these codes in their emails is about arms deals Think about it now pizza could be just code for an arms deal where hot dogs are stinger missiles No one's looked at that from from that perspective no

59:52 and it would be perfect cover-up to have everyone focusing on kiddie porn and pedophilia. Yeah, that's great! It is a big distr... major distraction. Uh huh, uh huh. So I... Have a look at these links in the show notes there's tons and tons of stuff there But I think that, you know whoever said that was absolutely right. If investigation started...I believe this is an ongoing investigation In fact as Snopes...got to talk about Snopes Here's Snopes We've Fact-checked! Fact check! Missing in action This is from snopes.com We found no evidence that Eric Braverman the former head of Clinton's charitable foundation has gone missing It is unproven though

1:00:43 They didn't say it's false, it's unproven. Since at least October 2016 some social media users have been echoing the belief that former Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman is missing or in peril And he of course headed the foundation from 2013 until he resigned in 2015. Rumors regarding his whereabouts began swirling after a leaked document published via Wikileaks showed his name mentioned emails between Clinton staffers who believed he was furtively releasing information about the Foundation's financial doings We found no evidence that Braveman is currently a missing person nor that He has gone into hiding, the only evidence being puffered

1:01:22 Profford, in support of this claim is the fact that Braverman has not used his Twitter account since October. But he has not shown up for a lot of... He's just...he's not anywhere! Nor is Neil nor is the guy who they tried to pin the Benghazi Stinger missiles on, The Arms Guy Turek who they tried to frame and if you recall, they dropped the lawsuit last minute. Because he was like screw this I'm going to tell everyone what's going on so he's missing or it just not around anymore uh... This is the kind of stuff i'd like to see The Pizzagators focus on this is something real in particular we might well this whole thing the way you describe it and I'm not doubting any of it because it makes nothing but sense to me It may account for that tick

1:02:15 That Obama has. Yes! Oh yeah, they all... You know he's gotta be in on this too Everybody is in John This is the problem Everybody All governments And that may be the reason that Trump put that oil guy in as Secretary of State because maybe he must know something He must know this is going on He can unravel the whole thing He could Somebody's gonna have to do it. I don't know how easy it would be to do that because it's like those banking conspiracies Well, you got a watch this guy? I didn't send the two you purposely That wanted to talk about it with your open mind and here if you had any like immediate concerns about it But when you start watching what this guy is doing and again he's gotta be a spook He I know he's a citizen of Israel so you take everything that he says with with that in mind

1:03:06 But to me, it was very clear how the system worked and the idea. And of course that's I think that's why Eric Braverman and Neil Brown got married only just before he quit so they you know, you have a you can't testify against your spouse So the way I understand it, before Hillary left the State Department she wanted to have this KKR group in place. They're the ones who say okay yeah they're consultants okay you can sell arms here or do this so they are kind of gatekeeper and of course they were controlled by the cabal because Neil Brown married Eric Braverman who was head of the Clinton Foundation. And everyone knew exactly how it was all...and

1:03:53 big money swirling operation, and a lot of it. A hundred million here? That's peanuts! I think we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars easily." Well... Sounds like jail time for somebody if you ask me. Well so that who is going to be... They set the patsies up before anything comes down. Right well they tried... Oh no, I didn't know what a bad actor he was. So talking about code I'm sure we'll continue on that line of discussion for the next year. Talking about code, one of the guys they are out to get which is the liberals is Jeff Sessions. Yeah they're going after his racist... It's all like he always said something bad once or something it just ended up... No let me tell you exactly what it was

1:04:50 when he was being confirmed as a judge, and he was not confirmed because of this. Someone testified that Sessions had said I didn't like the KKK when I found out they smoked a lot of weed. It was something like that and it was testimony from someone else. Well this is a little clip from Rachel Maddow and i don't want you to interrupt it...I want you to listen tell there's like a new code word Do you think that the Judiciary Committee and the confirmation process, as you understand it, is capable of teasing out these sort of subtleties? Obviously the Trump transition believes that his name as U.S. attorney being associated with the filings that you did on those civil rights cases is enough to give him credit for those things. Do you think the confirmation process is subtle enough and thorough enough that these things will be teased out and he won't be given credit for this thing—these things that he's claiming credit for?

1:05:50 Well, in 1986 when he was nominated to be a federal judge the Senate Judiciary Committee which was then controlled by Republicans also did give the opportunity for issues to be teased out and when they were teased out they found out that he had been racially insensitive in a number of comments that he had made and his civil rights record was really questionable. Oh no! But okay... Code word I missed it Have you ever heard this used like this? Teased Out It's gonna be teased out. It's gonna be teased out." Oh, yeah! It's gonna be teased out. I've never heard anybody use this word like that. Teased out? When I hear teased...I think teasing as in pestering or teasing as in teasing your hair? Teased out?! No way. I mean, I think the usage is gone. They're saying it's not correct but I've never heard it used in this context ever. Are they going to tickle him...?

1:06:50 It just sounds like two liberals and they're using the liberals have this tendency to rip the Let right-wingers do too. Have a tendency to come up with these little code words so you identify each other Oh, yeah, it'll give us another chilling chilling though. It's chilling But I've never heard this is a new one This is teased out we got attract that and I like it I'm surprised it stand like a sore thumb to you as used four times in I don't know, lack of B12? Yes. Please take two now. All right before we take a break just want to revisit the laughable conversation about Trump and his lack of celebrity pull

1:07:39 Because again, the general consensus is and this goes to a newsletter you wrote a couple newsletters back that If you're not on board if you're not in the celebrity culture then she might as well not be in America You know if you don't even on a part of that world then forget about it. It's just no good No good And of course this came up again on CNN This is their I think they're there media expert and he's talking about how Hollywood and celebrities view Trump. You know, Trump has said a lot of things that you would think are the anathema sort of to Hollywood including things about women's issues and bigotry and gay rights and things that they always make their causes so it is not surprising in a way this kind of consistent opposition But he has been known to be friendly with celebrities like Elton John And I want to put up on the screen though That he is somebody who

1:08:34 apparently has declined to perform. He, David Foster, Celine Dion... Thank God! It's a huge event with the huge audience Can you remember another inauguration where stars weren't just jumping at the chance to perform? Well, I think they weren't particularly jumping in the George Bush era but he had very big names performing. I mean Destiny's Child performed at his first when that was Beyonce was in the group you know? He had very big names and in the past there has been a lot of support from the country music industry for conservative candidates It is odd that he isn't getting at least a big portion of them either

1:09:14 I like how he's already a, uh, an unpopular president. He hasn't even taken office, but he's a very unpopular president right now. Very unpopular president right now. Not the President! Yeah it is like his presidential ratings are zero I think at the moment. Because let's face it there was this hostility toward him and he's a very unpopular president right now in terms of favorability ratings and clearly their popular election votes so it's a little safer for I think entertainers to say well you know he wasn't even a majority uh winner So the reluctance has a little bit of validity to it

1:09:57 Bill, you covered Donald Trump way pre-politics during the Apprentice years when you were at The New York Times and my understanding is that you spent a lot of time with him. Knowing him and knowing the way he approaches the idea of celebrity how do you think this is sitting with him? That he's having some trouble? I think it's deeply galling to him He has a big ego, of course we know that. And he does have good relationships with a lot of celebrities but a lot of bridges were burned in this campaign and I don't think Donald really realizes yet that this is going to be kind of the way it's...I think gonna last There's a real resistance to his policies especially because you can argue that people at these names so far

1:10:43 are only confirming to some of these Hollywood types their worst fears, that they don't see him reaching out to be sort-of a president for the whole country. He seems to be veering even further to the right in issues they don't really accept so I'm not surprised by that but knowing him he will not take this lightly Yeah, I would imagine not but as we're watching the Replay of his entrance at the at the convention. Maybe he doesn't need another celebrity He knows how to make an entrance so you know that's probably does People are so obsessed with this well

1:11:18 think has been pretty clear, they don't care about celebrities anymore and they're gonna have the Rockettes and the Tabernacle Choir saying oh man I wish... You should have a symphony orchestra works. I wish i could've recorded uh I was listening to the angry white gay man channel who love Hillary Progressive And, and yeah. I got to figure out a way to record that." So Michael Angelo Signorelli is saying RCA Jack. Yeah it's a little more complicated was saying because one of the Rockettes was saying, you know, I don't want to perform for him and

1:11:57 the guy who runs Madison Square Garden, who also owns the Rockettes. He said no, the Rockettes are performing and so the story now has been twisted into she is being forced to dance and then take that one step further Donald Trump is forcing women to dance I'm not kidding! That's...and think about it in historical...Donald Trump is making women dance Forcing them to dance Dance you bitch Unbelievable Crazy world crazy crazy world And here is yet another celebrity video. Yep They just won't stop another one for and there's a whole bunch you may recognize some of the voices when you see it they're all pretty clear, and they have another message Dear members of Congress Dear Members of Congress I'm mad Flabbergasted Furious Concerned for my children I'm worried for everyone

1:12:53 The majority of Americans, regardless of who they voted for did not vote for racism. For sexism or for xenophobia and yet Donald Trump won and since he won hate crimes are rising women have been attacked in his name people of color attacked In his name. You represent us in Congress. You are our last line of defense So here's what we ask of our elected officials No, here is what we demand To the extent that Trump pursues racist sexist anti-immigrant anti worker anti Muslim anti Semitic Anti environmental policies We demand that you vigorously oppose him! We demand that you block nominees who threaten the rights of women

1:13:35 the LGBT community, people of color immigrants and the poor. And we want you to know that we are with you as long as you do that stuff We won't remain silent. We'll work harder to mobilize our votes and our communities but We need you and we expect you to have our backs. To protect our civil liberties, and use your congressional powers... ...to obstruct... ...to obstruct... ...obstruct... ...obstruct defeat anything... Anything! Anything that violates our core values as diverse Americans. Signed the majority of the American people

1:14:18 Do they think that this is good quality material? That people really... I'm sure there's a group of people that get behind this stuff, but these are all second-rate people in Hollywood. They couldn't get any of the A-listers because they're too smart to do this stuff now. Not a good idea. And these are like very few you can think of. Yeah, well Rosie Perez and yeah... Rosie Perez really? It's a C-lister I mean these are not... You know where is Clooney? Right?! No kidding! That's why i said it right? Because you know there's only one thing you need to do if you need some kind of distraction and for some reason that's not coming up because otherwise you got to call Clooney exactly.

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1:23:43 I have just a couple more like Trump, I call it Trump transition thingies. Yesterday of course we had the new senators and the new congressmen and representatives coming in and of course there was lots of talk and now Chuck Schumer is the head honcho he gets to talk about everything and uh... He's come up with a slogan because you know he's in charge now so he's got a very very funny idea since The Trump administration has promised to repeal Obamacare on day one, which is being used as an incredible fear tactic. You know whenever you have a new law or a repeal which means basically a new law that one isn't there whatever it is... It doesn't happen the next day!

1:24:34 There's stipulations, it's 180 days. It could be three years! Could be whatever they put in that...it'll be more posturing than anything so they're making everyone afraid oh you're gonna die You have no medication. It takes forever to make a new thing go into play Yeah of course it will and they've come up with the slogan The Republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make America great again It would make America sick again My goodness, what a good one! You're so funny!" He should have had... if he didn't it would only work if after he said that. This guy's no comedian. If after he said that he pulled out a red cap or blue hat, put the hat on his head and says make America sick again. That would have been much better I agree. That would've been funnier. Nancy Pelosi of course she also has something to say?

1:25:27 You know Medicaid, almost half of Medicaid is about long-term health care. You want grandma living in the guest room? You repeal the Affordable Care Act and so make America sick again? Is that what Republicans want to do?" Oh man! She's terrible... You had grandma living in your house?! It's really it's so insulting Hey, meanwhile I got the new OECD analysis of global antidepressant users per 1 000 people per population per country if you are interested. Everyone's interested! All right and the number two number three number four number five six seven and eight are really interesting... Of course we rule no doubt about it The United States has 110 people per thousand on antidepressants so that is

1:26:22 More than one out of ten people. Yes, yes. Number two on the list with what you know and I was very surprised who do you think is number two on the list? With a hundred so we're... Denmark! No no it's above Denmark is Iceland Oh they got Iceland all doped up? And number three Australia, number four Canada, number five Denmark then Sweden Portugal UK The least doped up people are in Korea, only 13 per one. They drink those little energy drinks all day. Nobody's going to get depressed on those things but it was just like wow I didn't know when you go to Korea when you go to Korea if you have an expert anybody taking you around showing you around you will be in kind of

1:27:17 introduced to these little bottles of energy drinks. And they're not like the ones we have that are loaded with taurine, Not like the five hour like brrrr! No no they're different this has got all kinds of other stuff in it What is that little red bottle you buy at the gas station? These actually taste good too I've always wondered what that crap is It's got a lot of taurine, which is sketchy. But the Koreans just drink this all day about one an hour and if you go to the big Korean supermarket in I think it's in Redwood City or Menlo Park, it's down on the peninsula, great place called Hankook, H-A-N-K-O-O-K, look it up on Yelp. There's a huge store that has all Korean food, not like Asian stores but Korean

1:28:05 And they have a whole aisle full of these various drinks that you buy by the case. Oh gosh, mmmm... tasty! It's very funny. Maybe something we can white label and sell it? So they don't- well apparently- NO AGENDA ENERGY DRINK! Apparently it doesn't make them depressed. Well that's true Now, Iceland... I've heard that they're generally depressed there anyway because it's always dark and or except for half the year. And this used to be a high suicide rate there is not a lot to do except get drunk which they do very well. They're very good at that. I caught Don Lemon last two nights ago he had Michael Higginbottom on who was an author and so is someone some other guy was basically three black guys talking about how racist white people are

1:28:57 It's getting a little annoying to watch it as the persona non grata of society, straight white male old. What was the Civil War about? John you are a reasonable expert in this. Well it was about sovereignty of the states more than anything else that's why I originally called The War Between The States You mean state rights is what we'd say Bill Gates, the president of the United States. He had a book of various things extracted. This is what during the era, if you were there at the time it wasn't a fight about slavery even though the abolitionists have taken over the Republican Party and got Lincoln in and it was an abolitionist movement. That wasn't how the war got started even though they saw the writing on the wall. It was being pushed around. They were just... The South got sick of it. And so- Well, you sir

1:29:59 are clearly a revisionist racist. Actually, the more recent interpretations are more revisionists than what I just said. I just need to call you a racist! Yeah, well everyone has to. There's no T in racist just so you know. Racist! Van Jones is reported here when he went around to interview a lot of those Trump supporters that it wasn't disqualifying for them but let's I want to dig deeper than that because the article goes on to say that this racial amnesia as they call it is similar to what we saw after the Civil War where defeated Confederates argued that civil war was about states rights and not slavery. Are we seeing a rewriting of history now, Michael?

1:30:43 I think we are, and the comparisons are fascinating and very accurate. Birth of a Nation which most individuals know about was a rewriting of history about Reconstruction basically glorifying the Ku Klux Klan and suggesting that they were the saviors of the South rather than a racist terrorist organization. And I think we're seeing that to an extent today with the denial about the significance of race for some Trump supporters. Remember, Trump ran a very divisive campaign on race. He initially when he announced he talked about Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists... Hold on!

1:31:27 Mexicans, not a race. He talked about a Muslim ban for all Muslims... Muslims not a race Coming to America I mean these were clearly racist notions No? So there you go John you revisionist racists Well let me give you the good conspiracy theory version of why the war got started Let me think yes! When gold was discovered in the western part of the country in 1849 and it turned out that California, Nevada were just going to bring in trillions of dollars. The British and French decided that jeez this is... how did we lose these people? We should have...the French should have had the southern part of the country and the British would own the northern parts as part of Canada

1:32:15 So, they decided to instigate a civil war using South Carolina which were bunch of monarchists and I think there still are to this day. They get them all riled up so you could split the country in half and then the French would take the lower part after the war was over they'd own the southern part of the country. The British would own the northern part and hook it up to Canada and then the two countries would split the spoils of California Nevada and all the gold and silver And to prove this is actually kind of right, the British put a lot of troops and people into Canada and set up a spy network. In fact at one point they tried to burn down the city of New York, entire city literally from the spies that came in from... They were called Confederate spies and all the Confederate spies were located in Canada. And the French had moved in Maximilian and taken over the country of Mexico

1:33:07 and it before the war ended, and that Maximilian and his French army were going to move in and take over the southern part of United States. And that's really what there was all about is about the money. I like that too! You know if anything if there's money involved I'll go...I'll take that route. That seems to motivate people the most. Seems so yes. Yeah yeah speaking of which you can refrain from sending me emails about Bitcoin It's really, you know I have to set people straight on this. You still have Bitcoin? I certainly do and of course Bitcoin was 1100 yesterday down under a thousand today The point that we made a long time ago is we do not want to receive donations in bitcoin And the reason is very simple it is not actual useful money to us

1:33:59 We have to change it into something we can use to pay our rent. I've rent, John you have mortgage food. Yes there's 45 thousand vendors around the world who accept Bitcoin of course if i want a USB hub and I feel hungry for it and I could eat So I can, I consistently get the same emails. Oh well see this is real man it's good you see what's happening? Bet you wish you had more! Yeah if if I had gone for an investment vehicle which I didn't and yeah most of these were given to me when they were like 50 cents fitty

1:33:07 and it before the war ended, and that Maximilian and his French army were going to move in and take over the southern part of United States. And that's really what there was all about is about the money. I like that too! You know if anything if there's money involved I'll go...I'll take that route. That seems to motivate people the most. Seems so yes. Yeah yeah speaking of which you can refrain from sending me emails about Bitcoin It's really, you know I have to set people straight on this. You still have Bitcoin? I certainly do and of course Bitcoin was 1100 yesterday down under a thousand today The point that we made a long time ago is we do not want to receive donations in bitcoin And the reason is very simple it is not actual useful money to us

1:33:59 We have to change it into something we can use to pay our rent. I've rent, John you have mortgage food. Yes there's 45 thousand vendors around the world who accept Bitcoin of course if i want a USB hub and I feel hungry for it and I could eat So I can, I consistently get the same emails. Oh well see this is real man it's good you see what's happening? Bet you wish you had more! Yeah if if I had gone for an investment vehicle which I didn't and yeah most of these were given to me when they were like 50 cents fitty

1:34:37 You know, do not equate... when you equate the meteoric volatility of Bitcoin with currency it shows you don't know what you're talking about. You do not want a lot of volatility in your currency if the US dollar dropped overnight 10% The world would end! I mean it would be... What would happen John? It would be people would freak out that people jumping out of windows had that happened Well, it screws things up. 10%. Yeah yeah I think so. So stop thinking about that. While you're on the topic of complaining at our audience... No only the people who try to convince and you know it's like you know do really have the wrong attitude no we don't look if I can pay my rent with it go Bitcoin! Now we got a note from one of our producers there was a night

1:35:34 It was sick of working with PayPal and you know he's gonna have to send checks I think because he gives me the old Patreon what why she is patreon now? I realized when he sent a note in that. I've been working on a no agenda fact FAQ, then I want to remind people if anyone has questions and answers and the answers be appropriate. I want to put it in this fact because I was oh yeah I got to put this in the facts so I wrote that question and answer to the Patreon question why don't we use Patreon? Well reason is for one thing they hold the money they can keep it there can shut you down they could do all these different things that are very negative they're not a bank

1:36:17 PayPal's more of a bank, money just goes straight in and gets pulled straight out to a bank. It's very simple it works fine we have no problems with it. Every once in awhile there is a problem with one person that happened to us recently where some guys donation was rejected for some unknown reason, and we're working on that now. It also has a limited way... We have like a lot of programs. We have producership programs, we have night programs, you have layaway programs. Patreon can't handle any of that. They also have terms-of-service if you read it is like reading the dummy contract for a book deal. It's the worst! They even... You can't... In Demny,

1:37:03 You are liable for any lawsuit that takes place against them. Outstanding! I mean, there's an indemnification problem. There's all sorts of things that are wrong with Patreon and... And we're not using it for a lot of different, and they also charge 5%, which is more than PayPal charges. So we get charged more. We have all these limitations. They can pull the plug on you at the drop of a hat and then all of a sudden you've lost this stream completely. Yeah, we had a whole bunch of subscribers that happened to WikiLeaks remember? People can argue that well PayPal can do that too. Yes there's some truth to that but is not... This is not a

1:37:42 system that we want to work with. We have our own system, we have newsletters I don't even know if you get the mailing list from the people who donate there's no evidence that you do maybe you do I don't know that part of it I don't know yeah but so no Patreon is not going to be used by us. But is just...I just want people understand if he would sent us a hundred dollars yesterday in Bitcoin it would have been worth $90 today how was that good for us? Yeah. How is that good for us? Now, you can say oh it might be worth 110! Okay we have to have some level of normality in our lives I mean there's enough fluctuation in the donation

1:38:20 Yeah, and there's also an I think there's an IRS issue with using Bitcoin for donations. Be honest about it Maybe I think maybe I think would cause issues Well was gonna save this to the next donation break but maybe we should talk about it now Ev Williams of course He's the guy who sold blogger to To Google have had ev head yeah So he just fired 50 people at medium Medium was his, you know, his new public. In fact I'd like to read a little bit of his email here because as you know i've always said You cannot monetize the network. Advertising online yeah of course it has some benefit there's always brand recognition and display stuff that helps but the way its counted The real value is extremely low And so Evhead has found this out he kind of couches in

1:39:13 in his thing here, because he said Medium was supposed to be the way for news. I didn't know it was for news but that's what he wanted to do. I've never seen a news article in there. It's always just essays. I'll start with the hard part as of today we are reducing our team by about one third eliminating 50 jobs. You have 150 people working at medium? That's what I was thinking when I read that. What? What are all these people doing? Mostly in sales, support and other business functions so you fire those people because...I don't know there is no sales or support or other functions So it's a tough thing to do, blah blah blah. Then he has key metrics which was great we were you know readers and published posts were up 300%. We witnessed important stories published on Medium from world-famous leaders to unknown individuals on a daily basis. We're proud but it's not working." Our vision was too ambitious to build the platform that defined a new model for media on the Internet

1:40:12 The problem as we saw it was that the incentives driving the creation and spread of content were not serving the people consuming it or creating it, etc., etc. We need a new model." And so he's basically saying advertising doesn't work for us And we decided we need to take a different and bolder approach to this problem. We believe people who write and share ideas should be rewarded on their ability to enlighten, inform... To enlighten AND inform not simply their ability to attract a few seconds of attention." And he actually uses the V word!

1:40:48 that you should be paid according to the value you provide to the people reading what you write on Medium. Oh my goodness! What a concept! Ten years in the making over here, EvHead. So are you going to see it all falling apart? No, you will. You're gonna see... Like when he jumped to the conclusion Well, he has the conclusion himself We know the path ahead will not be easy. I wish that was a dumb idea. Medium or this post? Medium, well the post too but medium. It's just it's a blog! It's a shared blog where you're contributing... You know, you're giving away your work and getting nothing back. It's a shared blog people Yeah anyone can set that up, shared blog Uh huh

1:41:34 And there was never, one of the problems if it's gonna be a news meeting or whatever you wanted to do and thinks it was. I don't know that there was a front page anywhere where you could be directed to the good stuff? I mean for once in awhile I run across something on Medium but I don't really go there and look at it. Maybe there is a front page but I don't know that there is. No, you can go... You wanna write and get your opinion across Call up the New York Times and offer an op-ed. Or USA Today, there's all these newspapers around the country and they love op-eds! And they pay for it mostly you don't get paid a lot but if you get paid more than that then probably you'll be paid in medium depends on the publication but yeah you can write these op-eds or articles for newspapers and magazines I could never understand why anyone was writing for medium

1:42:25 It's because people have been taught not to think for themselves about how the internet works. No one has been really trained, they see it as a television Oh, and there's networks out there and these networks you can write stuff on it. No one really thinks that oh you know what? You can have your own server your own website. You don't have to be a part of this you can do a million different things It's not taught that way. You could go to wordpress.com as another fantastic way just buy you know now you have to buy anything is free actually And you just you know if you wanted to put your own domain name which is just as disturbing to me although logical when I read the

1:43:01 the intelligence joint assessment report, and they have all these...and this was the public report. All these tips for people why isn't there one single mention of encryption? Hey! Um congressmen women senators you can encrypt your email and then no one can steal your shit they could break it- I didn't tell you why there's no mention okay The FBI has been promoting the idea for at least 20 years that encryption should be illegal. Exactly, but it's a huge disservice to the American public

1:43:41 Yes! Exactly. I mean, now more than ever...I'm getting encrypted email and by the way if you go to keybase.io you can actually find people's public keys easily You don't even need an email program you can just type in your message it'll give you the encrypted stuff you can copy paste it into your email same for decrypting of course If you want to go that route It's really gotten quite easy Just a tip Yeah. We haven't looked at the six-week cycle in a long time because for awhile there was the six hour cycle, but there was one that caught my eye that...it wasn't big news for some reason but there was this guy who said he was a member of the KKK and had this whole plan to kill Muslims with a ray gun mounted in a van? Okay you gotta listen to this! I don't know this story No it didn't get any traction

1:44:39 His name is Glendon Scott Crawford and he wanted to kill Muslims, I'm reading from ABC now. While they slept in their meetings with undercover agents this guy and his co-conspirator Eric Fate said they were going to use a death ray gun that would blast Muslims who he labeled mere medical waste If the plan was completed, the truck-mounted radiation particle weapon would aim a lethal beam of radioactivity near mosques Islamic community centers and schools. All of those targeted would eventually die from radiation sickness within two years So the gun will be mounted inside the truck drive to an area of high population of Muslims And then he would beam this ray so The FBI is on this like oh okay

1:45:33 This is clearly a guy who's up to no good. And so they sell him a radiation device! What?! Yeah Well this is definitely a six week cycle formula... I don't know what they sold him, like a couple of toilet paper tubes or something with aluminum foil? Like a dental x-ray machine with it targeted with a dish. Right, but this goes way above and beyond getting somebody some phony baloney detonator device. Hey man you're crazy here's your microwave ray gun! Come on get a job. Well maybe that backlash within the agency is what got this squashed hmmm. That could be

1:46:27 Wow. Yeah, so what happens to the guy you get thrown? Of course he's in a slammer Oh man I've damn it. I'm a dude but I had a new jingle for the war on cash We talked about Bitcoin if we got to play it let's save it for the next show It's too good John yeah, I knew it That's secret agent Paul again

1:47:03 He's the best. He really is! I can't help it, but i gotta do more So yeah that's what happens Well a couple of things let's start with this This is like...I'm looking for codes I found a new modified uptalker Oh! This is totally different there's no uptalking involved It's just stretching out Let me see if I can do it It's stretching out the last word. So when I say a sentence, the last word will be stretched. Okay but without up talking do you want me to play? Yes play no you gotta do it right yeah yes you must play

1:47:50 This wasn't supposed to happen at all. We were like, this is supposed to be like a celebration? Like happy six month anniversary Occupy Movement! Like we're having a potluck and we fed people chili and enjoying each other's company... And I leave for five minutes and four people get arrested Oh my goodness Borderliner for that, borderliner Good ident, good ID sir I was just listening to her going, thinking what is weird about the way she talks? Holy crap. She's just stretching out the legs not but it's not up talk that's interesting that said that is it's flat if not down yeah so isn't this not but its flat it's not down talking you right right it's but it's his not up talking but he's got the up talking style just the extended last word all of them it may be it seems to me it's probably some kind

1:48:48 Back to you Bob, you know. It's a milieu. Yes That's what I see it's a milieu You have to be on the lookout it's like the code words Yeah, it's like you know if you got into enough you could tease out the reason hmm you could tease it out I can't even do it right? I mean she does it perfectly I think I could eventually get into it all right get into it I don't think so. I just need to work on it yes Hey, why'd you think that's funny Yeah, see it's a borderline. You have to avoid the borderline up talking part of that It's not easy as for sure no you have to mill you you have to be you Have two you're in a milieu you talk a certain way and everyone starts talking that way And then because somebody is in the influencer there's always an influence or in a milieu that creates the various idiosyncrasies and Everyone picks it up cuz it's for some reason seems natural Yes, it does

1:49:50 Okay, well you've identified that there's a new meme we've had Fact check, fact check false. We've had post-truth and here's the new one. He is forgiven by the people who supported him time and time again when it came to actual facts he really was kind of loose with information that he put out there. Loose? Fact free! Fact free! Fact Free! Fact Free! Fact Free John It's New! Fact Free! Fact Free! It's Fact Free! It's like bullshit light! Fact Free Fact free. Yeah, no you can do it fact free.

1:50:37 Here I've got two clips from the Thom Hartmann show. Oh my goodness, and he's also a progressive 127 I do catch him from time to time He is he can't he's got this author on it like isn't first names Alan? I can't remember his last name, but he's done books. She's gotta whip. He's got a blog and but he's very erudite kind of a professorial type of guy that Thumb looks up to and so as the guy who was on pretty much claiming that Trump's gonna save the world Tom will have nothing bad to say. And so I'm thinking well, maybe there's a Tom we'll have to be on the Trump bandwagon at some point but this is about free trade and where it's going where it's headed and I thought as the background are these two clips that I have were quite I think for the show in particular because this guy has a few good things to say

1:51:27 Which reminded me of John McCain. I thought this was an outstanding clip that i put together here. Thank you. So who is Robert Lighthizer and why is he getting praise from progressives? Robert Lighthizer is a former aide to former Senator Bob Dole, very important Republican for so many years and also a former number two US trade negotiator under

1:52:05 President Reagan and that's very revealing because for all of the free market and free trade rhetoric That you heard from president reagan, and from reagan Republicans for so long president again Was not such a free trader In practice, and in fact he put into effect programs of trade protection for several key American industries. Steel was. Steel and semiconductors and textiles and machine tools and also automobiles that really helped those very vital sectors amount to very strong competitive comebacks

1:52:43 So, NAFTA as I recall was negotiated by George Herbert Walker Bush. That's right. And in fact he had a ceremonial signing. Reagan first came up with the idea of more closely knit North American trade ties but it was George Herbert Walker Bush who actually gave it its first major impetus absolutely. Right and so that deal was put together under the first Bush administration. It was signed into law by Bill Clinton, who lobbied very heavily for it in 1993. Oh yeah well in 92 I mean that was the issue of the election and Ross Perot walked away with 20% of the vote because of that issue. No coincidence right? Yeah none whatsoever so even if Trump has people like Navarro

1:53:24 and Lighthizer in his administration. Wilbur Ross, who supports the TPP is reportedly- He did! He's had a change of heart which is great to see. Oh interesting Presumably that means he has a very steep learning curve which is also great to see So we have Thawne being quite amenable to this character, as you can tell. And so they bring up the point that they're talking about these trade guys that don't want... They're trying to kill all these trade deals which are ruining in the country and especially for the Americans themselves. The Americans are the ones who suffer from these trade deals which is how Trump got elected. And so when they bring up the second part of it about how will anything actually happen?

1:54:07 I thought there was a little bit of insight here, which is something that I think kind of reflects upon or should be reflected upon itself by the show because this is important. And then I think of John McCain, Lindsey Graham and all these people that are fighting it So do you think that there's actually a very real possibility that the whole era of neoliberal trade policies, this giant experiment that arguably George Herbert Walker Bush started us on and has failed so badly or at least in your opinion and mine is over?

1:54:44 I think it's a little too early to say that just because the forces of, uh... that have created and still support the trade status quo are so powerful and so wealthy and frankly so absolutely ruthless they will say anything to ensure that trade status quo, that offshoring status quo continues. We're talking trillions really here. Absolutely but for the first time in living memory we will have a president who has emphatically come down on the other side and although no one can really predict how this looming conflict is

1:55:28 going to end, given how unpopular with the general public these offshoring friendly trade policies have actually been. I think President-elect Trump stands a pretty good chance of effecting very important change." Oh okay did Thoms' head explode when he said that? Well he agreed this is... He was.. He said I hope so! So I thought that was the element in here that was interesting, was the forces against this. Trillions of dollars in trade that is going to middlemen and bankers and all these people that are just skimming the money off while we lose jobs and we have nothing to do, kids can't get work in the summertime and all the rest of it. It's just part of this neoliberal problem and it's all tied up with the Clintons and the Bushes, the Bush-Clinton crime family and all the rest of it. And they're gonna push back on that I think a lot of this anti Trump stuff stems from that. Stems from that sure! Sure people are freaked out

1:56:29 The elites who are all involved in all this stuff. Yeah, yeah and it's decades and decades and decades of intermingling... And you know if you look at it from a meta level they've really lost control which is what all this fake news stuff and the internet no good stay on Facebook don't learn how it works that's really what this is about! Oh my goodness this guy's tweeting directly to the public? That's not how it's supposed to work he has to go through us! Legate keepers So yeah, I think they're really afraid which is good because it makes for good fireworks. Oh it's good for the show Yeah that's what I mean Good fireworks for the show Except for people who could not deal with it and they bailed out on us and there are more than a few of those That's for sure Some people just ran out of money or couldn't... Well thats nothing to do with listening you can still listen Yeah you can still listen And Germany has cranked up all kinds of trouble

1:57:32 Big headline, Germany sees overwhelming sales of Hitler's Mein Kampf. It was... Yes this is very funny the guy had to get special permission to do the reprint because it was against the law in some ways yeah because he got these anti-nazi laws and he finally got permission I guess you've been trying to do it for a long time and then boom bestseller! Yeah I bought it I got that hard copy it's on its way It's been a long time since... Yeah, so there are couple translations and there is one translation which is done by the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League. Which you don't want because it has basically taken out everything offensive which is the whole point of reading the book! Which one did I get? There's..I think there's the...hmmm.... I have to go back. Well I have an old copy that I collected when I was in college

1:58:24 that it's a fairly offensive book, there is no doubt about it. It's not very well written to say the least. But the whole point of reading these books is to understand what these people were thinking while you learn from that. The banning in Germany was always... Banning books is not good idea. Not a good idea. Well, there's a word now that the German cops are using which is a problem they're using the word Nafri What does that mean? That means North African. Nafri's, bunch of nafris over there! Yeah that is like Paki. Yeah nafri so now that is racist of course and the police are no longer allowed to use that word, nafri whereas it seems like a pretty good collective if you're in law enforcement I have a couple oddball stories first of all let's take a little entremont with this little clip from a soap opera

1:59:24 I think it's days of your lives or whatever one of the another world as the world turns. Maybe, I mean i think that's what it was that's okay they're all the same pretty much show but but I just like the uh the messaging that went on in this and this to me was a subtle propaganda uh that was reflective of the Trump election And it was also reflective of the thematic thing. I think people watch these shows, they don't... This is so subtle it's hard to really put your finger on what they're trying to accomplish but this was also a reflection of 2016 being a bad year. I know I made a pact with you but I've had a crap year. Yeah, I know. I lost my law license and my husband tried to kill me My life is a trash fire

2:00:13 So yeah, I was drinking mom. Actually I got hammered and I slept really really great which makes me really really happy so I'm sorry. I didn't hear your messages. I get hammered Yeah, I got hammered what's your point? So anyway, so that was like as I had a crappy year. It's 2016 is the best it was all thematic Yeah, she she lost her law license her husband tried to kill her this is would be a bad year. I would say A day record for sure and she had to get plastered on New Year's Hammered if she puts it and that's and to me This was a reflection of the kind of memes are trying to push down American public's throat yeah, yep

2:01:04 There's a... yeah? Subtle. Yeah, well, subtle maybe. Okay I have a story here i want to bring up with you State Bill 1322 which is now in force in California and I think this is a fine example of people having the right idea and they really want to do well but come up with really stupid solutions SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution or loitering with the intent to do so. Yeah, I found this... Now that you mention it, I should have noted this myself. I thought that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen! So in other words, you can be a 16-year old hooker?

2:01:56 Well, here's the idea. Their belief is that decriminalizing underage prostitution is good public policy that will help victims of sex trafficking. How? By... if they get caught they can be taken into treatment, foster home etc., but not go to jail. That's the idea. But I think what it does is it effectively gives a big flag wave to creeps who are like, oh okay let me get a couple of 16 year olds and we're in business. And one gets caught boom! Get another one. It doesn't...it seems so dumb. It doesn't seem right

2:02:40 No, I saw this and I could not understand it. Well you're talking about 80% Democrat state that's where they got all these votes for Hillary and most of the Democrats are the big horror mongers. Let's face it, limo demos. You know the Democrat is a limousine Democrat. Limousines liberals thats what they call them. And your DMV in California has licensed 806 thousand undocumented residents for driving. Yeah, my goodness! They can't get insurance? No I got hit by an uninsured driver in Austin remember that with my truck yep you're supposed to throw the book at... You take a regular old white male that everyone pitches about yeah you're driving around gonna see your insurance if you're in Washington state and you don't have an insurance card that reflects that ownership of that car it's a $250 fine

2:03:40 And just over the transom, it has now officially been called a hate crime. We were waiting for it thank goodness! All of it was posted to Facebook Live we want to warn you the video you are about to see is considered very disturbing. This young man tied up in the corner is believed to be from Crystal Lake police say he has a mental disability investigators say he was a classmate of one of the suspects apparently they met out in the suburbs These subjects then stole a van out in the suburbs and brought him into Chicago. Police believe he went willingly initially, but that is clearly not the case based on three videos posted to social media what you were about to see is disturbing at one point The victim is held at knife point and told to curse President-elect Donald Trump

2:04:30 The men can be heard saying they want this to go viral. Another video shows the group forcing the victim to drink water from a toilet Throughout these videos, the victim is kicked hit and cut Police believe he was released after being held anywhere from 24 to 48 hours So this was uh...the outrage lacked of course that's the reason why I bring it up There's no outrage This was not top-of-the news They held this poor kid for 48 hours. Yeah, and beat the crap out of him. He was a white guy! I know there's no news about this. And then of course the real news to me is how stupid are these guys to post this stuff? On Facebook Live... Well you know it breeds contempt. You're not going to get in trouble. Of course the Celebrities didn't mention that in their new video

2:05:21 No, of course not. Oh man that's really bad...really really bad. Haters! Yeah yeah I mean this stuff happens all the time of course but to me it's just the media reaction The media reactions what so disappointing although understandable is just like geez man what is going on? No, it's...but I would actually associate this again with the notion of the clip that this is a fair...they're free traders doing everything they can to control the media and make sure that you know these guys' presidency isn't shambled from the get-go because God knows what's going to happen if we all get arrested.

2:06:02 Okay, so here is a tech story. Well you want to do that in Tech News after the break or you want... Are we going to do it? Well I wanted to do a longer clip because actually i need to open up the gate first. Ow! Sorry. Yeah, you hurt yourself on that gate. Damnit! To the Gate, to the Gate, to the Climate Gates! Hi everybody welcome to The Climate Gates and today's climate gates segment comes from us from a guy who I'm appreciating more and more And I like it because you like to listen to his clips. Tucker Carlson? Well, yeah he's done a roll and he's got someone from your neck of the woods, a Cal State... Sacramento sorry! Cal State professor Joseph Palermo. The reason i like this and I just pulled a couple minutes from it the reason I like it because he hones in on the 97% meme

2:06:57 Which I think actually this guy says 98% but hey, he's from Cal State. So what do you expect? Yeah if it was some university system to be better 97-98 who is counting but he says things and why he was on is almost irrelevant because Tucker Carlson just hones in on Hey And which is something that you just did that You know It's almost like sitting at one of my Obama bought dinners which of course will never happen ever again in my lifetime sadly. Where he's just saying, well you just said this what do you know how do you know this where do you get this from? And I thought it would be fun to listen to it because oh! It just feels good when someone really digs in on television that you don't see often.

2:07:43 to accept the science of climate change and 98% of the world's scientists believe is true. No amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that? What I meant was... Very interesting what he says, no amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that after you said 98 percent of the world's scientists so again he's a professor And he is very callous with how he's talking. No amount of ideology is going to change the physics of that What I meant was it was misconstrued on some of these right-wing websites They didn't really read it, I think they came up with some really catchy headlines To get clickbait, eyeballs... I'm giving you the benefit of doubt, I don't think you meant that the police should ban it from Twitter

2:08:26 But I am interested in the claims you've made about climate science, that it's settled and that 98% of worldwide scientists believe that. How do you know that? Are you a scientist or have you polled other scientists or what? Where'd you get that figure? Well see... You know, that's another one of those interesting kind of questions is that- By the way, I'm not holding you to account for this. I didn't say anything. Oh, I'm sorry! I thought you said something... You sounded like that guy. By the way, I am not holding you to account for censorship. I'm asking about the claim you just made that 98% of world scientists believe in something called climate science Maybe you can explain what is in a minute but first how do know that 98% of world scientists believe what you believe?

2:09:03 Well, listen Tucker. I don't-I didn't want to get into are you a climate change denier? Are you a skeptic or what is it? Is that where your at? The essence of science and journalism is skepticism because it seeks to get the truth And I'm merely asking you as someone who just said as a statement of fact That 98% of the world's scientists agree with you with whatever you believe. I'm wondering how you know that okay Well, science is not just what I believe Tucker. All you need to do... But how do you know 98% of the scientists? How do you know that? That's a simple question! Well with your giant research team you could send people out and find out about it. I'm really asking you to explain something you just said live on our show which is that 90 percent of the scientists in the world agree with you and the answer of course is you have no idea what climate science is really And you have no idea that 90 percent of the world's scientists agree with you because that's unknowable right

2:09:55 Well, let me tell you. They predicted a long time ago that we would have high precipitation events and low precipitation events. Well in California we have both! We have droughts and wildfires which are low precipitation events... Who's they? Who is they by the way? How about NOAA? You believe in NASA, NOAA, DARPA... The Pentagon! Really Tucker you're gonna contradict the Pentagon?! The Pentagon accepts climate change. Climate science. I'm merely saying you're practicing a species of religion where anybody who doesn't agree with it that you believe is a heretic and should be penalized

2:10:34 No, because the essence of science is asking questions. And I asked you a very direct question and you couldn't answer it because you have no idea what the answer is! But it doesn't stop you from running around talking about science, this science that... No, so it is a debate about climate change. Okay fine but if you go to a doctor you don't say well I need heart surgery but how do you know how to do it? Well guess what there's trained scientists in NOAA and NASA even the Pentagon all over the world now But you ask questions! You don't just say I need my leg amputated okay go ahead why is that and what exactly is wrong normal people have any questions and they're not shouted down for it What you're trying to do to me is call me names because I'm asking questions I'm not calling you anything

2:11:14 I'm not calling you anything. Climate denier? Well, no, I asked you if you are a skeptic or a denier that's fine. I am a skeptic of everything including your answers! That doesn't make any sense! When you get on a plane are you skeptical the pilots trained to fly it? Always and if the pilot smells like booze I'm happy to ask questions about whether he is fit to fly because I'm an adult who's autonomous and I can ask questions like an adult, but you're a member of religious sect that can't deal with honest questions. And that's my only point. The science is in! Science! What was this guy professor of? Economics or something not of climatology or nothing with that...and i just heard that Tucker Carlson will be replacing Megyn Kelly her spot

2:12:06 Now that she's going to NBC. Yeah, we should discuss that just for a second okay this is gonna be a disaster for her I think so too it's a huge mistake Yeah, she doesn't fit the model of an NBC anything and in the people at MSNBC And the problem is you're gonna bring her over from Fox at a huge salary They're gonna probably I think 20 15. I think no No Fox offered or 20 she took less to go to NBC Yes She thought shows that saw more potential point it doesn't matter. She's got enough money shouldn't have to work at all oh

2:12:42 But she's gonna be getting a lot more money than a lot of these people who think that they've been there longer than they're the ones that should be getting this money. Why are they bringing this alien woman in who doesn't even look right for NBC? She is too flashy looking, facially She just doesn't fit the mold. I mean everyone has their kind of a look yeah, and it's you know they heavy makeup Look that she employs is not something you see at NBC and people who use heavy makeup at NBC generally speaking or are shunned on Flusi flusi so they're gonna see her as a floozy floozy

2:13:20 So she, yes I like that. So she's gonna...I just don't and what you're going to do they're gonna give her like a weekend show where she's gonna try No no daily show! Not she can be doing daily- And the weekend shows, she is getting two gigs Yes correct She gets a daily Ellen Show kind of an Ellen like show Yeah that's where she is gonna fail Oh no, she can't do it. She's not that personable I mean those shows the reason Ellen works and some of these other shows that you see these daytime hosts It's because they're just as neutral characters that are really good They have a mid-western appeal to them to their mom stay at home moms and people like that who watch that crap So they have a certain kind of an appeal and Ellen's who I think got in Spain she's got the most

2:14:06 And Megan is just too harsh. She's a harsh, harsh type." Well she is growing her hair out that's obvious so she will reappear with a new do And I think it'll be at least shoulder length, maybe longer. She's really growing it out." I would be stunned if she doesn't still have a harsh quality and then they're giving her new show on the weekends like the Chris Wallace show on Fox where she's gonna get to be her old self but that's not going to work either because what happens That Fox and NBC have different ways of doing business, and NBC is a classic original network. The original network! And they're the ones who are filled with suits

2:14:48 And the suits come in and they have suggestions, and they have to rationalize being a suit in the first place. Now they're gonna come in and they're gonna ask her do this? They're gonna prod or is she going to do this and that?" She's not going to respond well to that. No. She was given pretty much free reign from what I can tell at Fox. You know what's interesting about Tucker Carlson his dad was one of the original broadcast board of governors guys It wasn't Carlson mostly on CNN before he moved to Fox? Yeah, yeah with the bowtie which was really stupid but what he did is that he started The Hill or The Daily Caller. Is that his? I don't know... Yeah! I didn't know that about him. Well I noticed he's definitely coming into his own at Fox again because they give you a little more free reign there than they do at

2:15:38 NBC, NBC is a you know... He was on Crossfire that was it? But then yeah the Daily Caller website. That is he's co-founder editor in chief I like him! Well I never liked him before No well I didn't like him when he was in bowtie mode. No, that's the difference between when you're buttoned down by some operation. I think NBC is going to do this to Megyn Kelly. She's not gonna...I mean shows keep making her money they're not gonna get rid of it right away so she'll be there for a few years trying to find a place but that's not gonna last. And this is one of the reasons our show is good because we don't have suits coming in

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2:24:49 In general, there are certainly the no agenda listeners. I haven't heard anyone push back on the hey under 18 maybe it shouldn't be made so easy? Maybe it should you know maybe it should be delayed if you want to have some kind of sex reassignment surgery...I'm happy! There are people who have crazy things. I read, maybe it was even a book I read once... A guy who felt that his right leg was just not supposed to be there and he wanted it amputated his entire life! You heard this? There are people that have these feelings about different parts of their body Yes And really are not happy It's actually a name for it but I can't remember what it is Yeah

2:25:34 I'd like to know what the name of that is. Anyway, it's a syndrome... It's a syndrome yes but they're really not happy until they have their leg amputated and there are ways to get that done The um this bit i'm going to play today is of a mom who has a daughter well she had a son and the daughter uh the son has and i think this five or six very young child and as determined, and the mom is all in of course. And you'll hear that I'm definitely not a boy, i am girl. One of the great moments of their lives was to go meet

2:26:21 Oh, and I forget her name. The actress who's on Orange is the New Black? The black transgender... I don't watch that show. Okay but she's very famous. Very famous transgender actress and they're going to go meet her so in this-I just pulled a minute and half from he podcast which she does sometimes twice a week and i just wanted you listen how she speaking How proud she is and how all in she is on this entire movement. And we can discuss, and people can draw their own conclusions. I was standing about 10 feet away snapping pictures... ...and I was too flustered to turn on my recorder or to say anything intelligible to Laverne But I stepped forward and I think I said- Yeah, Laverne Cox that's her name That's the big transgender star. ...forward and I think I said, I'm her mom! And thanked her for being a role model or something. Then Laverne bent down and gave my child a hug

2:27:13 And I heard her say, remember honey transgender is beautiful. What was the coolest thing about meeting Laverne Cotts? Well the most exciting thing was that i actually got to hug her and she didn't want to do hugs because she didn't want to get sick but I was just like Laverne And she was just like, how could I say no? You're so cute. And then she hugged me and it was really exciting super super really excited! I wrote all this down and posted it on my blog along with photos of my daughter with Laverne a few days later the story blew up I heard from People magazine in The Today Show and the photos of my daughter with Laverne Cox were suddenly everywhere even on the homepage for Time Magazine friends from all over the country

2:28:12 saw the photos and recognized my child and wrote to me. I had made sure that none of the photos showed her face, since i didn't want her to be identified but my friends who already knew she was trans could tell that it was her. Wow! I know... She's-she's- Nobody is critical in fact this is just some impressionable kid? Yeah no one is And there's just too much in the system to allow, you know. It's just normal except I'm sure she's hailed as a hero for helping her son daughter and being a role model herself please! I have the same problem with beauty pageants. The same problem with all kinds of things that parents push their children into let the kid grow up a little bit

2:29:04 Before you make these decisions and push this and she's clearly enamored by the fact that her kids a celebrity now Oh, yeah. That's just the big trap. This is the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. It is the problem Apo- apotemnophilia God I can't pronounce it apo-temnofilia Yeah, apotemnophilia. How would you pronounce that? I don't know. I'd have to write it down and look at it for a minute. Neurological disorder... What do we pronounce here? Apotemnophilia is a neurological disorder characterized by the intense and long-standing desire for amputation of a specific limb or need to become paralyzed blind or deaf.

2:29:53 Wow, some people must be very jealous of me. What? A more recent term is body integrity identity disorder. Oh God! There you go. You can't win. It has features in common with... The media encourages it. Yeah. It has features in common with somatoporifera which seeks surgeons to perform an amputation or purposely injure a limb in order to force emergency medical amputation. Holy moly, that's almost as crazy as John McAfee! You know here is the problem with the John McAfee clip... There is no problem as far I'm concerned No problem with the clip? No. I think there are a lot of problems with the clip Then why did you clip it? I had mixed feelings

2:30:52 Well, I think we should put it in the show notes and let people listen to it if they want to listen to it. Because I don't think that would gain anything by actually playing the clip... To be honest about it. Ah! Okay It's kind of gruesome for one thing is sick. Yeah, but it's not like it's something that isn't going around I was like you can't find it on YouTube. I mean, it's not like this is not a Category well if you want to just do a show on weird sexual behavior Isn't that what the show is there? But that's not our sure shows about politics. It's not about Strange goings-on with guys was he not really was he not was he not a candidate

2:31:29 for the Libertarian Party? Yes, he didn't get the libertarian nomination. Anyone could be a candidate for the Libertarian Party more interesting is that I guess that whole...I didn't see the whole document. No it's right from an...is is a documentary on Netflix? Showtime! Oh show time yeah you know maybe we just say disclaimer and like you know if you got kids...No I'm against it We put in the show notes that people want it which gets them to go into the show notes because people don't use it enough and they can listen To the clip there now. This is this is the first time we've actually and I'm not fighting you that hard really I know we've had other We've had other moments where we decided not to do something or your cut a clip off hmm? I'm just cutting it off before its played well what I'll do is. I'll just give a little preview No, little preview here's the preview ready

2:32:23 That's the preview. Yeah, kind of everyone's free. The chat room is freaking out now. Now go to the show notes 892 dot no agenda notes dot com yeah you should go there anyway I got a complaint from somebody about the show and also I can't say totally disagree with them all right they say that the problem with the way you've got the show note set up which is very slick with all the sub things, the drop downs and all this stuff. It's a little too slick for their taste because they said they'd rather have it if all the show notes were on one page that they could just search the page using Control S or F. Then they can find these things. They say you can't find a lot of those stuff because they don't know how you categorized it. You have sub menu after sub menu after sub menu. It's very difficult when you're doing research to use the show notes efficiently

2:33:21 Right. So a couple things, one our search dot NA show notes broke the guy who did it you know so that used to be the easy way because it was indexing see it actually is one page It's one HTML document just has tabs built into it maybe there is a way that I can put a search box for that page Into the show notes and I'll work on that today so that you don't rush Oh, yeah But but let me get let me give you the super secret. This is actually and I should probably just create a link for this Everything that is done eventually spools off to Adam curry calm

2:34:01 which is just a big bucket archive. So if you go to Google and you type in site, S-I-T-E colon adam dot curry dot com space and then your search term, you're searching all the show notes across the board it's very reliable. And there is! Very reliable. That's the solution I think that's fantastic. Now I should mention one thing... The use of s-i-t-e colon has not really been necessary for the last six months to a year Oh really? Well, I didn't know that. If you just put curry dot com and then the search... No no it has to be adam dot curry dot com Oh yeah so whatever Adam dot curry dot com and then the Google search It'll come up fine Let me just check oh your uh no nope You're wrong No i'm not! I just did it

2:34:52 What couldn't you find? No, it because now try it if just look for anything It doesn't give you a list of what's on that server. You have to use the site I'm sorry. I think you're wrong I use site and then and then I get all the listings from Adam dot com All I know is I've not been using side. I've been getting good results Yeah This is what you want Europe That's it Oh Europe shows that we're done no no no we got oh yeah Okay, I got a couple Let's start with let's do the I thought was a funny thing. You know, the Istanbul shooting Yeah that took place with this guy There's here's an interesting little tidbit that showed up on the Richard Engel report on NBC the Peabody award-winning scammer. I just want him to shoot me Isis said the attacker who shot unarmed people Was a soldier of the brave caliphate The gunman was firing at victims inside the club for seven to ten minutes

2:35:50 minutes, reloading multiple times witnesses say and still managed to escape even though there's a police station just across the street. ISIS appears set to be on the offensive in 2017 today ISIS said it killed dozens in a bombing in Baghdad just last month that deadly truck attack in Berlin now Istanbul rocket his friends believe the gunman had help inside the club Turkey has released images of the gunman and says it has its fingerprints but is yet to find him. The fear here is that he could slip into ISIS territory in Syria before they do. Okay? Cops across the street, nobody cares. Yeah of course not

2:36:32 Now here's a story that came up that really had me baffled because I think this story was just underreported. This was over reported but not reported at all, which is the guy locked in the luggage story. Oh! I hadn't heard about this? Where did this take place? I think the guy was flying from Texas to Charlotte or something, got lucky in the luggage compartment. I don't believe the cargo hold is pressurized. I think it is, that's why they put dogs in there. Oh okay gotcha. Trapped inside the pressurized cargo hold of a United Express flight from Charlotte North Carolina to Washington DC's Dulles Airport The plane took off yesterday with the employee stuck inside he was freed only after it touched down fortunately he was not hurt

2:37:27 Okay, now this was a bad reporting job to me because you know You have to know that somebody locked him in there as a joke of course One of his buddies. Hey man That's lock him in I'm just gonna die no no it's pressurized don't worry about it and even though is a The express ones I'm not sure how pressurized those are but they don't go that high And so somebody locked him in, but there was no reporting on this because when he got out didn't anyone ask him a question? That son of a bitch Louie locked me in again. So I thought it'd been a good story if they got to the, you know, the little personal human interest part of it. Yeah well yeah the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group is of course always available. You can hire us. It would cost them money to actually ask a question? Um...I had wanted to do a tech news segment about CES but maybe we can do that on Sunday

2:38:24 because, you know all the tech horny shows are out there and they suck at it. And it's just no good and it's this stuff that is at the end of the consumer electronics show is so ludicrous. So unnecessary I'm sure you've seen some coverage I've seen a lot of coverage and it's like these products are like, okay they got a new TV that has Roku built in. It is 4K and they got a new camera the new camera does 4k takes 4k movies at 60 frames per second which is a big deal And then there are all these kinds of things as little upgrades and then some gimmicky crazy products that are stupid Yeah this is what CES is every year so why don't we go to it?

2:39:07 Or here's another idea. We could do a bit where we're actually at CES Yeah, yes yeah we could let me think about that It would involve some pre-production and writing which is honestly something I take a little more words than I'm we're actually pretty bad at that Well, we're not. We're good at it but we just don't like doing it because that's my point It doesn't do us any good to do it. Yeah, it's an ego thing. All right. Because were so good at it! Alright everybody thank you very much So remember to check out the show notes look at the Clinton Foundation stuff and if you want to hear that John McAfee

2:39:53 That'll be in there as well. Along with the video actually, which is kind of funnier I think when you see... Oh the videos yes The video's better. The video is actually a better way to do it Just to look at these girls as they roll their eyes Yeah very funny There ya go You know what's good now Hi everybody thank you very much for your support Remember we have another show on Sunday Dvorak dot org slash NA that's where you can support us and keep your artwork and your clips and moral support coming It's all appreciated Coming to you here from the crackpot condo in the skyscraper in downtown Austin, Texas We are in the capital of drones. We are the capital of drone star state in FEMA region 6 in case you're looking for it on the map until Sunday In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I remain with no fanfare I'm John C Dvorak will be back on Sunday right here on NOA agenda Adios mofos

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2:41:59 Who would have thought it? Such a crazy idea. Well, only in the industry when I was a kid! The concept then was to get a good cube of probably like say a square inch cube of metallic sodium and flush it down the toilet. We did cherry bombs down the toilet. What cherry bomb is a good comparison, don't compare it with what a cube of sodium metal can do. You flush it down the toilet, gets pretty far down and just blows up the entire sewer system. Crapping everything out of all the toilets that makes a complete mess. That's the kind of thing we used to have. Not insane crapping in the upper deck! I can't believe someone came up with that

2:42:56 Amen, fist bump. You better hop stash because there's a war on cats! By 1848, Desto was not hacked. Desto had a fishing scheme which made me by 1848. Desto was being the realest. Desto hack is not hack but be a not-hacked. He gave into a festival by 1848 A fishing scheme which by the way hacked. He gave into an ugly relationship to the things that make them simple. Maybe like 1970, which by the way was a juvenile relationship with the things that make them simple. Maybe 1990s, you think it was his fault? Yes! You think it was his fault? Yes! About Nigeria and France. They're machismo, they're expansionary, braggadocio in 1790 years

2:43:55 No, they're expansionary braggadocs. You think it's a yes? Like 1848. Thinkin' you can't fuck me for what kind of... Maybe like 1917. Yes! You thinkin' that they're bunchies? No, they may be 1990. If all three is the kind of Dutch Hill, yeah. Like 1848. John Podesta is the people kind of a duck. Yeah, like 1917. Expansionary braggadoc. That's what you John Podesta does as his third mission. Expansionary braggadoch, yeah In the morning

2:44:51 Yeah You have to figure out, alright what do we do from here? And you're right. We've gotta get some jobs. I want some jobs! We must and we will.

2:46:16 What the hell did he say? I don't know, but we're with you. But resist, we must. We must and will much about that be committed But resist, we must. We must and we will much be committed.

2:47:20 Adios, mofo. The best podcast in the universe! Dvorak dot org slash N-A