Naked Vegans in Cages

00:02 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Completely live and not automated, this is No Agenda for Thursday, March 19th, 2009. This is No Agenda. Basking in the glow of government chemtrails in the crackpot command center in southwest London, Gitmo Nation East, I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation West, or the Gitmo Nation, or Silicon Valley North, I'm John C. Dvorak. We're getting better at that, aren't we? Well, I've decided to instead of goofing around to do a straight, you know, from I'm. Thank you. The company and management thanks you. Yes. For your cooperation. I'm sick of the memos. That's one thing we don't have. We don't have memo culture at MeVEO, do we? We have meeting culture, but not not memo culture.

00:59 Memo- actually memo culture to me is better than meeting culture. Really? I hate memo culture. I hate meeting culture too. Well, that's what I'm saying between the two. I hate both of them myself. I mean as far as I'm concerned I'd rather sit at home in my underwear. But like now case in point Wait, let me just turn on the camera stream, which is why we don't want to use cameras. Why do we want to use cameras? That's the beauty of radio of audio you have no idea how I'm sitting what I'm doing what I'm wearing or what I'm smoking or How my tea tastes but you really get an intimate feel

01:39 Right, and so I think it's a mistake. Yeah, I agree. And there's only a few people, I mean how many people listen to this show, stream, whatever we want to call it, you know a couple hundred thousand, and how many really want to watch it? Believe me, there's thousands who want to, I mean not that we're going to do it ever, ever, but there's lots of people who want to, I don't know, I don't know what it is. But it's a big request from thousands, but it just won't happen because I agree it ruins it. Ruins it completely. Yeah, I agree. So I've been doing a lot of work this past week, John, or since we spoke on Sunday.

02:20 And I'd like to share some of that work with you. Share, please share. So we have this NoAgenda stream, noagendastream.com, where after the show, it basically rolls out 24-7. We talked about it last week. And it has a mix of songs and I've done a little bit of hacking around in the past couple days with this all command line stuff. Remember we talked about command line on Sunday and I was kind of getting back into that. Yep, and I really wanted to string stuff together and make my computer work for me for one so I delve back into my what is it? The book is called eunuchs in a nutshell one of my favorite O'Reilly publications Thank You buzzkill twice in the head and so I and I found a great application called TTY TTR titter and

03:16 which of course TTY is for text terminal emulator or whatever it is, but TTY TTER. And so it's a script that I could actually work with that I could understand and it can do stuff with Twitter. So I've set it up where it can essentially follow an account And when that account updates, it brings down all of the... all of the... you know, the 20 most recent tweets, strips out as much crap as possible, and then transfers it into text... into speech, and then uploads it and puts it into rotation on the stream. So every, I think, six or seven songs, you get some news. So I have the AHN, which is a Twitter that I've been following for a while, which delivers really nice headline news.

04:03 And, um, there's some other, some, um... Yeah, yeah, yeah, but as you're rambling here, um, I want to point out to people that this is actually the real Adam Curry you're listening to here. He is a nerd. Correct. Go on. And so I played with that for you. What are you doing this for? I'm not getting it. Okay, so the whole stream is automated. That's the whole point and it's automated. The music mix is automated. What songs play at what times of day? You're talking about the stream that we have that no agenda stream.com correct and no agenda stream. This is going to be streaming 24 seven. I guess like it's been streaming 24 seven for about a week now. Yeah.

04:42 And I have, I've equated this, which I mentioned to you, with KPOP. KPOP, which used to be a... Crap, I wasn't ready! Yes, KPOP. KPOP, which was a pop station, needless to say, that was located at Pacific Ocean Park in Santa Monica, which was one of the last really great amusement parks down in Southern California, had a very unique roller coaster with two big dips in a row. and it also had a right to Mars, which was kind of a thrill. So the Pacific Ocean Park had this automated radio station, I think it was the first in the country, this was like in the long time ago. 80s, must have been 80s. 70s even? No. I think it was in the 70s. Oh that tapes, cool. They had a bunch of computers supposedly, I don't know what these were, but they had these, you could look inside the place because it was glass, it had a glass wall. You'd look inside, there was nobody working it.

05:44 They had these computers with these big giant reels of tape They were like the 10-inch Like the legal BNC tapes yeah, and one of them would she would be going and then it would stop and then another one would fire up Yeah, I remember those systems sure right another one would fire up with an announcer you KPOP in Santa Monica listening to blah blah blah and boom that did it would stop and then the next another reel would start rolling again with all these songs on it and it was like wow that was really cool for its era, it was in the 70s. So the problem with automated radio stations is that there's no action going on. And this is the real Adam Curry when it comes to radio. You've got to have something happening and the mistake that people make with radio

06:29 Terrestrial broadcast radio is really for geographic communities. That's when it works best, which is why Clear Channel is failing so badly because you can't have a guy sitting in Texas doing a show for Pennsylvania. It just doesn't work that way. Exactly. But radio also works and that's where I'm taking this stream. as for a community of interest. So it's not huge, you know, a couple hundred thousand is our community of interest. So the songs that I'm putting on there I think will relate and that's something that I've been programming songs and stations for most of my life. But then I really want some news and not just regurgitated AP, but I do want AP, but I want it selected. So there are people out there who are selecting news already, twittering that. So all I'm doing is bringing it down

07:14 And then turning it into a sound file which actually on the Mac. There's a built-in voice It doesn't sound too bad and in context. It's kind of easy to understand because it's short. You know what it is It's not like a book where you don't know what's gonna happen or you don't know the the topics of the day So your brain can parse it a little bit easier and today I took the final step and I set up a Twitter account and And that Twitter account is noagendastream. If you send a direct tweet to it, so at sign noagendastream, then your comment We'll play on the stream within you know five to ten song you want to hear the most recent one This is a crazy go ahead. I mean it's gonna. It's gonna get out of control of course, and you know I have no filtering on it Hold on let me just update it just to make sure I have the most recent one

08:15 This could catch on. Another invention by Adam Curry, you should patent it immediately. No, no, this is what's gonna happen. Man, you didn't invent that, man! We've been doing command line stuff forever, dude! You didn't invent Twitter, did you? You invented the MP3 player all of a sudden? You invented streaming? This is the life I have to lead. Well, just play the- Hold on! I'm just making sure I'm just uploading the most recent one. So it's on Cron Jobs and you know all this groovy stuff, right? It's uh... I'm quite proud of myself. Okay, here it is. Let me uh... So it's updated. I gave people a second there because there's a little bit of a delay on the stream. Let's listen to it. Hold on. Fire up, bitch.

09:05 Here are the most recent tweets from Gitmo Nation, from Twitter.com, slash noagenda stream. Steroid, says, Hi Adam and Twitters. I have a stream suggestion. How about inserting some highlight clips from previous shows? Nava has ass, all of this, says, Keep up the good work Crackpot and Buzzkill. Ye, what do you think? Inspire. I like it. I mean, it's kind of creepy on the one hand, but the other hand, it's like, I can see people getting hypnotized by that. Well, it's cool because you're going to sit around and wait for your own tweet. You want to hear your own thing on the air, of course. And the trick is to figure out how you need to write something so it sounds really good. For instance, when someone tweets Dvorak, the sound file, and we should talk to Apple about that, doesn't parse it properly.

10:01 It does a Dvorak type thing. Yes, listen to a couple of them. We're gonna get a lot of those. Anyway, so that's up and running enjoy it have some fun with it. I'm not quite sure where we're going to take it I do have a couple more ideas up my sleeve Just to make this a real Community of interest station which I think is possible and and a part of that will be song requests And I'm working on that this guy pub this guy PR written all over it. He are I'm now you can get ink for this

10:42 Oh yeah, oh, excuse me, I just got a tweet from Mike Arrington. He can't wait to talk to me. Yeah, right. Anyway, so that's what's, that's what I, so, and it was kind of nice to get back into that programming vibe, man. Just to, I, there were two days that I didn't even watch CNBC. Oh, woe is me. You mean C-SPAN? No, no, I watch CNBC is on all day and then I switch back and forth if I know there's something coming up. Because CNBC does cover a lot of... on the U.S. CNBC which I get through the sling box from our wonderful friend in Detroit. They cut live to sometimes hours of testimony. And they're probably loving it. They're like smoking dubes, having martinis, you know, like, finally, don't have to do anything on the air. You know, Aaron's primping her hair.

11:35 Aaron. You do a thing for her, a jingle. Aaron the Council of Foreign Affairs babe. She's been assimilated man. But a lot happening. Quite a lot. And I'm dismayed I have to say that they're getting away with it. They're getting away with focusing not just the United States but the entire world on a hundred and seventy million dollars of bonuses. Ooh boy! Everybody look over here! Look over here! Don't look at the billions going off the back! Look over here! It is unbelievable.

12:20 You know what, I'm not absolutely sure about why this has never brought... How many people are going to divide up that money? I mean, they make it sound like there's 140 million dollars going to eight guys. They have 100,000 employees, AIG. Yeah, I know. Is this 143 million to 143 people? Or 143 million people? I mean, what is the... We don't know. I mean, so the bonus may be minor, maybe 50 bucks a head for all we know. I mean, they don't say. But the thing is it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because it is a distraction. You're right. It's a complete distraction and look over here Meanwhile, you know this Elliot Spitzer wrote a great article in slate I think let me see if I can find it and And it's good when it comes from a guy like Spitzer because we know he likes hookers. Therefore. He's good in our book. Oh

13:11 He's a good guy. He's a good guy. And by the way, he likes good hookers. Let's be honest. The man has some skills. He's not going for the girls that are wandering around. No, no, no. He's going for the specialities. So he says, you know, now that we know because a lot of the counterparty names, so again AIG just for people who don't quite get it, you don't have to understand a lot about finance to understand that what AIG as an insurance company did was to insure money deals. Let's just put it that way. They're called swaps or CDOs or whatever, but money deals and if a money deal went bad then they would have to pay out on for whatever that money deal was insured for, just like your house or your car or whatever.

13:53 except they were marketing their insurance on insurance on insurance and essentially they now owe a whole bunch of people close to a quadrillion dollars. That's a thousand trillion, okay? A thousand trillion. So and I watched a lot of this testimony with the new CEO and what they're doing literally is they're just winding, he keeps saying we're winding it down, we're winding it down. Ergo, So, every time we put in money, then they're winding down one of those bad deals they made. But who do they make the deals with? Who do they agree to pay? It's Goldman Sachs. It's JP Morgan. A whole bunch of foreign banks. But literally, Goldman Sachs is getting this money. It's not going directly to them. It's going through AIG. It sits on their spreadsheet for a second and then it's pooped over to Goldman. And this is all going into the same people's pockets continuously.

14:49 It's a hundred and eighty billion AIG alone. And John, by the way, why don't we own 100 percent of AIG? Why only 80? As a shareholder, I'm getting a little pissed off. That's a good point. Well, they I think they I think it's a political thing where you say we don't want to own 100 percent because then it's the same as nationalizing. We can't do that. Oh, that's it. Oh, it's for the nationalization thing. Yeah, that makes sense. Links, by the way, for everything we discuss in the show notes at noagenda.mevo.com, including that excellent article by our friendly hooker lover, Elliot Spitzer.

15:26 By the way, a lot of people felt that Spitzer was so aggressive as the state attorney general, and he was going after all these guys that are in the news now, that they had to get rid of him. They set him up largely with the hookers and they put detectives on him and everything else to get him out of the picture. Gee, you think? If he'd shot himself twice in the head, it couldn't have been more clear. I'm surprised they didn't drop him in a small plane. Their favorite method. So in all of this there's some interesting news that's come out that's flowing around the interwebs and the drop as well about politicians and how much they actually receive from AIG. Have you seen this list? Have you blogged that yet?

16:17 No, I don't know if we blogged it or not, but I've seen I know the list that's gets shows that you know AIGs These guys are bought and sold we we have a Legislature that is just a bunch of sellouts. They don't care about the public They're just so into their own cell who's at the top of that list. I don't know who Nancy Pelosi No, try Barack Obama Oh, well that's even better. $101,332 in contributions from AIG. How does that work by the way? I thought you could only donate $2,000. You don't donate to the guy, you donate to a shim, something in between, like the Democratic National Committee. You can give them as much money as you want. And you do it in such a way that as soon as he's nominated, you know it's going to go to him. You give them a big pile of money to do with whatever they want.

17:09 And it doesn't have to be the DNC, it could be any number of organizations that are just kind of collectors of money. It's a middle man that bypasses that restriction. So you know how I always say that there is absolutely no difference between the Republican and the Democratic Party because they're being run by the same group of people. So just look at the top ten, just for a second. The top ten donations from AIG. Number one actually, Chris Dodd, the man who approved the bonuses, the $100,000 $160 million in bonuses. He received $103,100 from AIG. As I said, Obama, $101,000, $3,032,000. Number three on the list, John McCain. But he did get a lot less because they had to hedge their bet there. $59,499. Hillary Clinton right after that, $35,965. If we'd actually seen these, you would have thought Chris Dodd would have been president.

18:04 You know Chris Dodd has got to be the worst of the bunch He reminds me if he had like if he dyed his hair black he could be in The Sopranos He could be one of those like quiet guys that just stands up and shoots you in the face. You know what I mean? Him and Joe Biden yeah, yeah, and Rahm Emanuel with his chopped off finger. They're mobsters. I tell you well. They sure act like it I know Chris Dodd puts the screws to Silicon Valley and he ends up getting a lot of money directly for his campaign from California. Really? What do you mean puts the screws to him?

18:42 He has a couple of minor threats that he throws at him. Apparently the way financing is done with venture capital, there's a couple of tax loopholes that they take advantage of. And every once in a while, and I'm told this from various sources. Reliable sources. Reliable sources that Dodd will put the screws in. Because you know that tax loophole there? That's something we could tax probably if we really... Oh, thank you for the check. The stuff we talk about here on NOA Agenda and the loop is closing, a lot of it people say, you're just crazy, that's nuts. And then all of a sudden it's on the front page like today, Financial Times, Fed moves to buy treasuries, stuns investors. Was it not four weeks ago that I said the Fed has just approved to buy treasuries? I mean this was known information.

19:37 Known information if yeah, I'm just as baffled by this this kind of lag time As you are but it but it's getting shorter, so you know what it's gonna make our job tougher We will have to do three shows a week, but we can't do it unless people Contribute more wait well God don't do the contributor contributions yet I wanted to say that you my friend called one out so spot on the money it hurt and Yeah. We were talking about Jon Stewart and his Kramer show and you said, you know, he must, you know, Jon Stewart must have really gotten burned by investments because he's probably pulling down a million a year and it seemed to take it very personal. Well, lo and behold, Jon Leibowitz, because that's his real name, has a brother named Larry Leibowitz, who is the head of US markets and global technology at the New York Stock Exchange, Euronext.

20:36 He also held high positions at Credit Suisse and Morgan Stanley. There's a great article on, it's page six in the New York Post, that even talks about a conversation that Larry and John were having in the elevator that someone overheard. You know, it's like totally, totally spot-on the money. His brother got completely reamed, because I guess he wasn't high up enough. And he probably just got destroyed by the system. And that's why John was taking it so personally. Well, I'm sure John relied on his brother. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, that's what you do. Taking his advice, of course! Of course, taking his advice. That's why we know Andrew Horowitz. You know, his... I saw his piece, the one that he got bumped for. Yeah. They turned that into a... a... Samantha Bee piece. Yeah.

21:32 It was a Samantha Bee piece from the beginning. Did he know how it was going to turn out? No, no. In fact, we actually talked about this. They shoot a lot of... they'll set you down. The whole thing is literally post-production. It's a post-production job. They'll sit you down in this chair and at some point say, okay, now just stare. Give me a blank stare. We're going to do a little B-roll here. Give me a blank stare. Now blink a lot. And it's just there, it's fine. And then they'll do that bit which they always do on Jon Stewart where the personality... Yeah, where he's doing something crazy. ...does something crazy and then they just show this blank look on the person. I love that. But they were very kind and gentle with the Horowitz and the reason we think

22:18 Is because Samantha Bee took a liking to him in just I guess in the pre-interviews. Not a romantic liking, a liking like maybe I can use this guy as my money manager. No really, that's funny. Seriously. And so why, you know, I don't think I want to get him too pissed off so I'm gonna be real gentle, kind of gentle, because it was the softest thing I've ever seen on the Jon Stewart show. Nah, he got through it okay, that was alright. He was worried sick. Oh really? Oh, he shouldn't be. If you do that... Well, after I briefed him, he should have been, because I told him before he got booked, I started briefing him. You know, giving him some ideas of what they're going to do to him. Because he actually first thought he was going to be sitting at the desk with Stuart. And then I said, I don't think so. And then we went into it and I said, oh, who's it going to be? Oh, Samantha Bee. Oh my God. I said, you've got to do this and that.

23:16 It was a good one though, I liked it, it was pretty funny. Yeah, it was pretty funny. Yeah, it was like Horowitz is saying, yeah it's good, make money and then she talks to some CEO, why don't you just short your own stock, make some money on your own company. That guy was, what was the name of it, I forgot which company that was, but that CEO was the biggest whiner I have ever seen. Yeah, funny. So meanwhile, back in the real world, not time for real news yet, John. The corporate or the commercial real estate bubble is now starting to pop and the stories are... Yeah, about time. Yeah, well, but it's sad. Link in the show notes to a story from MSNBC.com about a

24:04 An apartment complex in Arizona, 320 unit apartment complex, they noticed that weed starting to grow and the pool started to turn green. That's actually a term for that. I think it's called green pooling or something. Oh, I'm sure there is, yeah. Because there's all these pools, especially through Arizona, which really got hit hard. They now put pools everywhere, which you need in Arizona. So they're all turning green because nobody's there to add the chlorine. Right, so the company that owned the property or ran the property, what is it, Bethany Holdings Group, they basically went out of business but they just literally left town, hundreds of millions of dollars of properties. These people are paying $800, $900 a month for a one bedroom apartment with a green pool.

24:55 And so you know that's obviously a problem but where it really really hits people is these corporations they didn't pay the water bill, they didn't pay the electricity bill. So there's like you know a hundred thousand dollar water bill that these tenants then have to come up with otherwise the water gets shut off. It's not funny and this is... No, it's pathetic. It's totally pathetic. So... That's how it starts and I'm sure we'll be reporting on a lot more of that in the future. Well, yeah, well it's got a bottom out here.

25:34 I've noticed that you haven't been using that. You feel the bottom yet, John Gagg. No, because... Which you seemed to have stopped about two months ago. Yeah, because I called the bottom. It hit it. It went even below it. And it will go down to $6,000. I've told you that. And six... We had $6,600 on the S&P. It'll go back there. And the reason why, no, is, first of all, and people don't realize what happened yesterday. Of course, the way it was reported with this Fed buying treasuries and pouring trillions of dollars they really just said, hey, hey, hey everybody, don't look over here because the printing presses are rolling. We're making up some money, everybody. Well, you know, the printing presses should be rolling when we have a deflationary period. So I don't find this to be a bad thing.

26:24 I mean that's what the Fed's supposed to do is balance, you know, get these things to stabilize. No, no, no, the Fed doesn't... What do you mean the Fed is supposed to do that? We don't need the Fed to do... That's what they do, but they do it for themselves, not for Johnny and Adam. But they're supposed to be doing it for us, you and me. Oh, oh, okay, thanks. They're supposed to be doing it. Well, they did a good job. They did that little buy and boom, the market goes up again. It starts to stabilize. I think this is fine. I don't see it... I think it's over. Are you kidding me? You think it's over? No fucking way! They've just printed trillions more. John, maybe we might have 15, 20 trillion dollars out there that's new and been created. Either it's gonna have to be paid for with taxes, printing or borrowing. This is not sustainable. I think the bad times are over. We're heading to good times. Okay. Well, we're not.

27:21 Well, I mean, but you say that all the time and you're a gold bug. Can you turn your speaker down just a little bit? Well, your yelling is the reason that it's coming through this... Well, what's the problem here? Your speakers because you refuse to wear headphones or my yelling? I used to have headphones in the other house. And you sounded great and now you're back to your own bland self. Bland? So here's what's happening. The G20 is taking place in London. April 2nd, I believe it starts. The G20, the 20 most powerful governments in the universe come together. The finance ministers, that would be our Treasury Secretary Geithner, all came together earlier or late last week

28:04 And here's what's going to happen. As predicted, the global bank that I see coming is going to be the IMF. They've now agreed that they're going to create these SDRs, Special Deposit Rights, I think it's called. 750 billion of them. And it's just making up a new currency, just making up a new amount of stuff. And every country that runs into trouble will borrow from the IMF under the same terms and conditions the IMF always gives to countries like, you know, countries in Africa. And if you can't pay it back, then we own you. And so that is now well underway. Yeah. Okay. All right. All is well.

28:51 I think it's... So, did you notice, I don't know if you were on the Slingbox to watch 60 Minutes this last week. Bernanke, I saw bits and pieces of it, I'm sure that's what you're referring to. Yeah, Bernanke was on shaking by the way, because they like to put the real, they like to zoom really close. Really close. They zoom the camera in. He was shaking? Yeah, his lips were, he was quivering, yes. He was nervous. Well, I think he was, yeah. He definitely was nervous. And he also had a bit of spittle right in the middle of his... Did he just want to go wipe off? Like, dude, dude, dude, dude... Yeah, well it was between, right in the middle of his mouth, it was glued to the top and lower lips at the same time. So every time he opened and closed and said anything, there was this gob of... Of goop? Spit. Oh, you know, but people have like those white, white lines that then stick to their lips when they're talking to you? Yeah, that's what it was. Oh, no!

29:41 Oh, God. It was horrible. I was watching this, I was cringing, I was like, why doesn't the guy say, hey, you got a gob of spit? So anyway, so he's talking with the spit going. Oh, that's so wrong. And I don't know what he said to be honest about it because it was so distracting with this gob of spit that I wasn't listening to him. I don't know what the whole point of this interview was. He tried to explain the system. Well, this is part of the initiative. I figured it out. It's a big PR thing that's being rammed down our throats. The president is going on the Tonight Show tonight with Jay Leno. Yeah, I gotta get that on tape. And the 24th

30:23 Which is, what is that? Tuesday? I don't know, is it? He's going live to address the nation. I mean, it is, the desperation must be so high. Or just another reiteration of the message. Well maybe they've taken the hint that they've got to say something positive. No, he's not. I'll bet you a cigar he ain't gonna say anything positive. You think he's gonna go with it's gonna get worse before it gets better? That pitch again? That sucks! He's got to because, you know, they're trying to move this stimulus, this package through, which I guess hasn't been voted on. And, you know, no one wants to, they don't want, they're not even taking a vote because of all this bonus crap and, you know, all this just stuff, all these distractions. So yeah, he's gonna go out there and say we got to do it and Tim Geithner rules.

31:14 That's basically what he, that's the message he's been giving. Well at least Bernanke gave something of a positive message even though it didn't influence the market much although it didn't kill it either like usual. I mean the way it usually works is when either Geithner or Obama speak and Horowitz has talked about this, the market tanks the next day. Yeah. Because they're sending the wrong message. Maybe they want the market to tank. Thank you. Okay, there we go. Welcome to my side of the fence, John. Exactly. The whole thing, the Kramer thing, it's, I mean look, who runs NBC? By the way, the Kramer's obviously out to get Kramer.

31:59 and they're trying to get him off the air. They're not going to take him off the air. It's a distraction. It's just go look at Kramer, go look at that guy, go be angry at him, go be angry at the AIG people, go be angry with everybody except the people who actually did it like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank. Barney Frank, the guy who had transsexual hookers running an escort ring from his Washington DC apartment from his condo And it's unbelievable that they led the... He's running the banking committee. So they're doing this, the testimony with the new chairman of AIG and all the pink ladies were there, the pink ladies who wear pink t-shirts and they're holding up signs that say FIRE GEITNER and they're not disrupting anything but they're just holding up signs and so they go through the whole opening statement, you know, the first bit of testimony from

32:51 uh... what's it with the figures in the cdl and uh... and then the whoever's running the panel says okay now the ladies in the league the outlet e Ladies in pink, you have to put the signs down. They have to be either you can give them up or you'll be removed from the hearing. So they're like, oh, nice free speech. So they give up their signs and then Barney Frank says, oh, I'm glad they didn't have any slogans on their t-shirts. I was like, oh my god, the guy is just doing stand-up. He ran poorly. Those are the people who are running everything. God. So, yeah.

33:39 In more interesting news, there's a new food show on NBC based on kind of, it's called Chopping Block. And I think this stuff is all passe. I want to talk about food for a minute because people like to hear about it and I'd like to talk about it. So they got this guy, Marco Pierre White, have you ever heard of him? No. I guess he was like an early, he was a celebrity chef of some sort pre-Emeril back in the late 90s and he went off to become just kind of an entrepreneur. And he's kind of like a second rate, even though supposedly according to his bio, he's the guy who, one of the guys who trained Gordon Ramsay. Even though if you listen to Ramsay, it's mostly French guys.

34:28 So he's got this show called Chopping Block, which is a clone of Hell's Kitchen. But this guy's got no personality. And because of him existing, they give him credit for being the first Brit to win three stars. And I'm looking at all this stuff and saying, this isn't true. But then I realize it. Wait a minute. Is this the guy who everyone got food poisoned? Is that right? Oh the one of the celebrity TV chefs had to close his restaurant two weeks ago because everyone this is the guy that does the blowtorch stuff and the Nitrous oxide to cook you ever seen that guy no he doesn't cook anymore, so it can't be him well Let's look this up. I had it on the list for to go ahead finish your story. I'll look it up I don't know. I mean guys not you're just talking shit. It wasn't going anywhere that guy was

35:16 Yeah, he, um, 400 people got sick from eating his food. His three-star Michelin restaurant. Here it is. Top restaurant closed due to food poisoning. He's off our list. Celebrity Heston Blumenthal. There you go. Never heard of him. No, he does a show here, TV show, and he cooks with interesting things. Well, that's terrible. Jane Seymour has food poisoning, according to Celebrity Gossip. Hold on a second, will ya? Jesus, you're going way too fast. And now, back to real news. Tell me what's going on with Jane Seymour, one of my favorite mills. She had food poisoning, the poor lady. Poor woman. So she wouldn't, I guess this was some while ago when she was on Dancing With The Stars. Anyway, the point is that one thing, so I was like watching this thing, I said, this guy stinks. So I did a little research on him and I started looking stuff up and maybe he stinks as a TV personality.

36:07 But he makes a lot of interesting points if you start looking him up on the web. He shows up with Tony Bourdain a lot. He shows up to mostly complain about the food scene as it now exists with these 18 course dippy shit menus and all this kind of hoity-toity crap. He's trying to push people back to what we're doing in Durantown now, which is go to some good place that has a real simple, nice, tasty, outstanding small menu. and then tell people about it. I think that the worm has turned and that all this Gormondism is coming to an end and I think this show is probably going to... It's going to be leading the charge, yes. We are indeed moving it up. We missed a great moment which is not available on video.

36:55 because it was only a pool reporter. This is what a lot of these mainstream companies do is, you know, so ABC will have an affiliate somewhere and then they'll do the pool video for everybody. I guess it's, they must have some kind of sharing agreements, kind of like peering agreements in a way, between all these stations so you don't have, you know, basically to cut down on news organizations all standing there with a million cameras. They send one guy or they have one station or one team. Yes, the pool has been going on since the 60s. Well, unfortunately, we missed a great moment in a great Irish moment with Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen. He was doing an address with Barack Obama. They were together for St. Patrick's Day. He was in Washington and he's reading off the teleprompter, the Prime Minister, and then he realized... Oh yeah, we blogged this. Yeah, but there's no video of it. He repeated, because they still had the President's speech up there,

37:53 And he was repeating the president's speech, and then the president gets back up, and then they, but by then they had switched it back to the guy's speech, and then Obama winds up thanking himself. Thank you, President Obama. He just reads it straight off the prompter. This prompter thing is out of control with this guy. But the video has been completely annihilated. It's nowhere. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah, the pool was shot by... APTN. So they didn't release it. There's the great news organizations that work. Finally some real news that we can use. Well, that's something funny anyway. It's just nuts. So the restaurant where the guy poisoned people was the Fat Duck. Yeah, that's it, right. Just staying on the news for a second. Have you heard of these background briefings? Do you know what these are? Well, yeah. Okay. So this is all in lieu of transparency.

39:57 Right, that's pretty soon. It's gonna be a man. It's only been six months. It's only been a year man Give him a hundred days at least come on man. I have oh boy. I uh And now back to real Animal rights protesters target Jamie Oliver celebrity chef over pork campaign, but this is actually a protest I can really stand behind because they're protesting That's PETA of course And they're protesting naked in cages on all fours, the women of PETA. Wait a minute, you're telling me that the PETA women are naked in cages on all fours? Yeah, you gotta see the picture, hold on, let me... It's awesome. I hope you have a link to it to our audience. Of course, of course, that shall be in the show notes. At noagenda.mevo.com, curry.com, and cagematch.dvorak.org. Check it out, man.

40:58 Naked Vegans. Animal rights protest target Jamie Al... Oops. Did I just lose you? Although I have to say... There you go. No, I'm loading the... The page is loading so I get... But wait a minute, one of these girls... Has tattoos all over and she's double jointed. Her arm is double... Ooh, that's kind of freaky. Oh, she's pregnant! I think they're both pregnant. Excellent! Naked, hot, pregnant vegan chicks. Well, the hot is dubious. Oh, come on, John! They're hot! Like, what are you getting? I say, go Jamie Oliver with your naked, hot, vegan, pregnant chicks. Everybody. Well, it's definitely an unusual protest. I'm all for it. I don't care what they're protesting. Yes, New World Order is good! Just bring me more naked, pregnant, vegan chicks. We have a widget.

42:06 for no agenda which will be in the show notes yeah yeah our listeners man they're awesome they're really helping out in more ways than one Q Q let me kill this page which keeps refreshing I gave you a human I set you up so okay what else oh you set me up for something I dropped the ball no I said our listeners are really great they're helping us out in more ways than one Yeah, oh you mean you want me to go on about by the way we said we're gonna mention the the contributors who gave us 50 or $100 yeah, and we have to do that probably more often because there's actually so many we have to

42:50 Let me read off the names of the people who gave us $50. Now this is of course for the Adam Curry John C. DeVore Act library slash winery. There are no ads on this program. We've moved it to two shows a week. We bring you a 24-7 audio stream with real news you can use. You can even control what happens on the stream. We're working towards three days a week which would constitute a real job so these donations Keep us working and we appreciate it. As it were. Okay, let me just go. There's Douglas Brown. Thanks to him. XMFan.com, which is what it came in as. Then there's a Icelander. Now this is all $50 or more? These are $50. I'm going to do the $100 guys separate. And then you give them an in the morning. Oh. In the morning. Sorry, I misfired.

43:43 So Henrik Bajurlo, and it's a guy, he had to send me an email saying, here's how you pronounce my name, and I think it's Bajurlo. And it's spelled BJ and then there's this weird O that's got a line through it. It looks like the number zero. Bajor, yeah. It's BJ, that weird O, R-L-O, and it's pronounced Bayerlo. We also have a guy that sent us some money from Warsaw, who I had to go to get his name pronounced, which is Mikoy Lachinski. So that's out of the way. Excellent. Are those the 50s?

44:23 Yeah, but here's some rest of them. Sami Zahabi, Boris Prince, if that is indeed his real name. And then there's Wouter Kaluugin. That would be Wouter probably. Wouter, okay. It's W-O-U-T-E-R. This is an international audience we've got. Yeah, this is a Dutch guy. Dutch guy, it's gotta be. And it's K-O-E-L-E-W-I-J-N. K-O-E... what? K-O-E-L-E-W-I-J-N. Cooler than. Oh, wow. Thank you, Wouter Kuehlewijn! Keith Brown, John Kilburn, Bill Gilliam, Chris Guilin, Thomas Mitchell, there's an easy one, Tristan Lennon, Paul Tang, Marco Friesen, who actually sent us $66.60. Oh, that's awesome, you get an In the Morning for that. Excellent, thank you. I love that, the mark of the beast.

45:24 Craig Dashnow, Bob Rathmal, Kenneth Kochi, Steve Forehand, which is a great name for a tennis player. And his cousin Pete Foreskin. Felix Comicchi, Chad Watson, Ben Richard, Aaron Parsons, Ian Boje, I think it's B-O-J-E, not the tough one. Then we have Matthew Donahue who also sent us $66, but he sent $66.66 which kind of is wrong. He's got a you know, but that's okay. We presented this group Francis Guari chin-chin-chew Hold on chin-chin-chew. Where's chin-chin-chew from? It's from the United States or Missouri or something and two chins in the chin-chin How many chin-chins does chin-chin-chew? I'm sure he'll appreciate that you can record that chin-chin or chew

46:24 Hold on, let me move you to him. Now give these guys an in the morning, because these guys gave us $100 or more. This is only one, two, three, four, five. Do all the names and then I'll give them the in the morning. Okay, Greg Birch, Andrew Green, Thomas Peterson, and Jason at VegasUndressed.com who gave us the most. He gave us $400. No, no, no. He didn't give us $400, because we actually had a conversation about this. He gave us $420.09. Right, he gave us $420. Sorry. You're right. And neither... that you didn't get it, okay. That I didn't get it is a travesty. That your wife Mimi got the code and that she understood it blew me away because of course $420 is... And she hates drugs by the way. Oh cool. But yeah, it was $420.09 and so you say to me, what is this? The guy's crazy. I said no, $420 equals marijuana. And you, oh my god, what an idiot.

47:25 And then the 09 is obviously the year 2009. So Mimi hates drugs? I guess the wife swap idea is off then. She does not a drug use, especially smoking stuff because both parents died of lung cancer. What was the guy's website again? Sorry? What was the guy's website again? Vegasundressed.com. He has a couple videos there. It looks to me like he had some hooker stuff on there too. I didn't see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look to the bottom right. Alright, for all of you and obviously the people who donated over $100. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Alright. Now if anybody didn't get mentioned as of this moment, send me an email at johnatdvorak.org and I'll figure out why. It could have been overlooked. There's also a $50 from Brian O'Keefe who actually sent a check. Oh, very nice.

48:18 Kevin writes in and says, Adam I thought you might be interested to know something I found out about Iridium. Now of course Iridium is a part of the satellite network that is completely run by the military and that recently crashed into the Russian satellite, the start of the space war, which apparently caused all this debris, right? I mean the space shuttle couldn't launch, there were all these things going on, lots of space debris, oh it's gonna be so horrible, reports, front page news, Well, I work for a company that sells Iridium satellite and bandwidth slash equipment. I asked someone I know that works directly for them and he said the collision has been misreported. That the satellite was not destroyed, it was only a glancing blow that did not leave any debris other than one more dysfunctional satellite that was knocked out of orbit. I'm not sure if there are any implications of this but thought you might think it was interesting. Yes, I do.

49:11 So, they're saying that, so on the one hand there's supposed to be all this debris, all this shit going on and then directly from sources we find out that nothing really crashed apart. There was no explosion, it wasn't like Star Wars where Darth Vader zapped someone. It just boink. It was like space balls, boink, bumped into each other. So why would all this debris stuff come up then all of a sudden? What is that about? Presuming that Kevin has the inside dope on this. Well, we'll assume so. I mean, we don't know. We can't confirm it, but it makes some sense. It's sad. Why would somebody send us a note like that? I always ask. Unless they're trying to feed us disinformation, what would be the point?

49:53 No, I think he's trying to feed us good information. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. That's what it sounds like. So let's assume it is. So what was the point of all these discussions about all this debris all of a sudden? By the way, if those things busted into a million pieces anyway, it would... I mean, how much... you know, the space... it's a pretty big... if you start doing the calculation, the likelihood of ever running into any piece of debris in that troposphere, above the troposphere, considering the square miles, it's like running into a log in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. It's just pretty hard to do. Well, someone's lying somewhere. Why? Why is the question? That's what we want to know. We do more than just... By the way, I forgot to mention at the end of that is the mention of all those names. That is Dvorak.org slash NA if you want to contribute to the show because we can use your help. Or as an easy shortcut, NoAgendaLibrary.com.

50:48 Either one. So the point is that one of the things we try to do here is we try to get to the why of a story, which I don't think anybody does anymore. No, I mean it's much easier to take on. I see the point. And you know what's worse, we should also mention that we seldom get to the why. We don't have any clue what the why is. Well no, it does unfold because we set people up and people start paying attention to stuff as an example. So we're talking about Afghanistan. By the way, 50% of people polled in the United Kingdom do not know why we're in Afghanistan. And honestly, I think if you ask any politician, the only answer they come up with is to save that country from horrible demise.

51:29 That's the only thing they can say. But then when we keep talking about it, you know, I'm 100% convinced that 90% of the mission is to protect the poppy fields so that good drugs, good heroin can continue to flow into the West. uh... and the job on military craft basically being sold the government in that that money then gets flushed through wall street so you know yes economy going also here we have uh... from australia global opium production is at an all-time high australia is a lot of the legal how does that work australia is at risk of a new flood of heroin the australian national council on drugs has warned uh... i love this

52:14 It was, it's back at the levels just before use exploded in the late 1990s. So it's exploding now. The latest figures show the number of border detections of heroin Australia were the highest on record. And it literally says in the article it's all coming from Afghanistan and from Burma. Well, dude, how can it, how can it be? There's no one looking and they're just kind of, they got a whole bunch of camels, a whole bunch of keys hanging on there. There's no military here. I'll just kind of walk away with it. It's all drugs. Well, they always said, you know, who's the guy that told us that Karzai is the world's biggest drug dealer? The guy from the Afghan who runs the shop up the street. Right.

53:04 That's where we get our news, ladies and gentlemen. You know what? I trust that guy more than any other report I'm reading. I cut a deep... I like this guy. I cut a DVD for him of Alex Jones' The Obama Deception. I said, here dude, I just want you to watch this because you feel horrible that your country is fucked up, take a look at mine. You tell me which one you'd rather have. At least you can point a weapon and solve yours. Our guys are so embedded that we're completely screwed. The whole system is ruined. I don't understand why the media doesn't get out on the street more and get some of this stuff. This is what really bothers me. to israel shortly after the uh... first iraq war

53:45 During this era where you had what's his name that one reporter called the scud stud who was always ducking? Oh, yeah, yeah, that was 93 wasn't it? I sound like that so I'm over there And I'm talking to these kids of just the people they say yeah when they scud attacks were taking place they would be people put chairs out on the Watch because it was a hell of a show because these things are such junk that they'd usually go up in the air and blow up about halfway And he said that, and one guy said to me, he says, you know, and I said, well, you get to see this Patriot missiles knock him out of the air. And this is before the real story came out. He says, no, everybody knew those things couldn't hit anything. They'd ever hit one of them. And those Patriots would go, and they'd be done, right? Gone. Yeah. But there was apparently a fun show to watch.

54:33 as long as one of them didn't happen to land on your roof, which was unlikely. So I said, you mean the Patriots don't work? No, they don't work and everybody knows it. So you go back to the United States and all these Patriot missiles and we're gonna need the next generation, they're talking about how they were working. And then I noticed that about three or four years later, which is what happens with all these news stories, the truth comes out that the Patriot missiles never worked ever. They were bogus. It was just to make people think something was going on that was working. And I wonder, you know, and I see this a lot, you see this, you know, this, you know, you talk about the delay in the truth actually hitting the streets. Sometimes it goes on for years because nobody wants to, you know, when the fuss is over, you know, you can say, yeah, well, they never worked in the first place. You should have known better. I find this distressing that there's so much of this

55:21 Kind of thing I mean why it why don't we get this more? I mean, it's just a why why are the two of us even talking about doesn't make any sense to me I'm completely baffled and of course meanwhile all these local newspapers that the Seattle yeah, I'm telling you yep. Yep closed its doors for the print edition on Tuesday I'm looking for a copy for the collection for the library. The last edition, yeah. I think I have a wall of them. Oh, for the library, of course, yes. Yeah, no, I got the one for the Rocky Mountain News. I got that one. Somebody sent that. So I just need this one. Then I'll need the Chronicle, which I can usually pick up. That'll go under probably in the next two months. and you know, they'll be happening everywhere. Now one of the things that's interesting about these newspapers folding, besides the fact that I believe much of the reasons they're folding is because they're not giving the public good information, too many features and brain dead stories and AP wire service crap, which is from a propaganda mill. But you know, this actually began, people blame the internet. I don't. I blame the television. They blame Max, they blame the internet, they blame Google, they blame everybody.

56:23 Yeah, they blame everybody, but the fact is this started to happen in the 70s. That's why Nixon had to implement the joint operating agreements so these newspapers could like write on each other's coattails. What was the joint operating agreements? What was that? The joint operating agreement showed up during Nixon put it in place. The idea, the newspapers were struggling so much in various cities, Detroit being one of them and I think that may have triggered the joint operating agreement. And the idea was that the local, the newspapers that were in a metropolitan area could pool their resources. In other words, they could split the revenues from a couple of

57:00 functions namely classified advertising and or just general advertising because before that was that was that was joined anti-cartel or whatever or anti-competitive well I mean it well it was pat I mean dude nobody ever threw it out but anyway the idea was you could pool your your money the money you made and split it up and you could also pull your resources for delivery so you saw two newspapers in the same area didn't have to have two sets of trucks So they jointly did joint distribution and all they would compete with would be for subscribers and even though they decided that well why bother so this just you know they just made things worse but the fact of the matter was paper was were already folding back during the Nixon era because of television news and they've just been on a downward decline ever since and it's just the internet just put the nail in the coffin for classifieds that's about it

57:56 But that was I guess the last nail that was needed and now all these guys are screwed. Yeah, we used to have horse and buggy drivers and we used to have a music industry. You know, shit changes. But it does bring up an interesting point, John, because there's one topic that is not being discussed at all anywhere in any mainstream media and I know why. But I'd like to pick your brain about a couple things because you're such a historian. The hardest thing for any news outlet to bring up is the relationship between the United States and Israel. Because, you know, particularly, I'd say in print, maybe even worse than radio or television, one word, one nuance, one comma, one apostrophe, one little thing placed in the wrong spot and you're an anti-Semite.

58:47 which makes it very, very difficult for people to talk about. But we cannot ignore, we just cannot ignore the news that is coming out. There's a new government installed in Israel and there's all kinds of weird shit going on. My first question to you, because I'd really like to understand it, why We already know why America and the United Kingdom have a special relationship because the UK are basically butt lickers and they'll do whatever the president says. But what is the special relationship with Israel based on? And why is it so special? And when did this start? Well, I think it started with World War II. Obviously after World War II when the state was created.

59:39 But there was some... you know, this is a good question. I watched these specials on this and I'm kind of baffled by it myself. It's not that I think Israel should go away because it's probably the only productive country in that whole region. and they have, I mean, it's just when you go floating around down there it's obvious that they have more on the ball. Well, let me cut straight to the chase and let me just take the heat for saying it but the one thing you're never allowed to say is that there are a lot of Israeli citizens or people from Israel, I'm specifically not saying Jews because it has nothing to do with being Jewish, but Israelis who are embedded throughout our government right now

1:00:23 You mean like Rahm Emanuel? Well, it's not, but it's, it's, yeah, obviously Rahm Emanuel, but that's not, he's not the only, just look at all of the, Greenberg, who was the CEO of AIG before Liddy. He's an Israeli, okay? There's Larry Silverstein, who bought the World Trade Center, you know, two weeks before they were destroyed and collected four billion in insurance money. Israeli. Mort Zuckerman. Israeli. Is there something, are we maybe under threat from Israel? Is that possible? They are a nuclear state. Well, there's a, uh, I have no idea. Christ, John. I think he's going to answer. He's got an answer. He's got something for me. No, but now that you mention it, I think I'm going to look a little more into it.

1:01:24 I'm not sure. I think the idea is there, I mean, it's got some, if you're going to go to your basic way of looking at things. My simpleton way, yes, thank you. The way I would see it is that Israel is there to protect the, is there as a buffer state, a buffer state, which is what they are, not, you know, a buffer state to help us have access to the Middle East oil in any way we can. And so I would have to assume that we're talking about the Middle East, we have to be talking about oil and Israel's there to do stuff for us. I think that they're basically an extension of the United States.

1:02:04 Even though they do their own thing and they will occasionally go off the deep end and do crazy stuff, but see I think I think it's exactly the opposite I think the the United States has become an extension of Israel. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm not I can't that's too nuts Okay, what's the point? What do they get out of it? We get a lot out of the oil in the Middle East So it makes more sense for us to be you know, and we're always and we're doing all this crazy stuff around the world I don't see that the Israelis are pushing us around. Listen, I just can't see it. I sure hope not but Rahm Emanuel does scare me. Yeah, but he's just another jerk off. I

1:02:44 Oh, hold on a second. That was good. Let's do this. Ladies and gentlemen, John C. Dvorak weighs in on Rahm Emanuel. He's just another jerk-off. Well, the ringtone thing is a good idea and I noticed my stepson Eric, the coder, was saying we should be moving more ringtones. Yeah, yeah. We're crazy enough to go viral with some of these ringtones. Oh man. Let's talk about climate change for a moment. What is that? Well, surely you've heard that we're all going to die

1:03:39 You were right, I think you're right again that you said it sounds like they're really desperate to get something moving here. And of course the whole idea is to dupe everyone into thinking we're all going to die from carbon dioxide. and if we don't immediately start paying taxes on our carbon use converting ourselves into what they're calling a low-carbon economy then we will die which is kind of a save or create jobs because it's easy to say if we don't get going right now we're all going to die in 2012 which may be completely true for other reasons but I don't believe for climate change and you know if we don't die then it's easy to say see, see

1:04:18 But we didn't quite pay enough, we didn't pay enough carbon taxes, so we're going to die in another 10 years if we don't keep it up and if we don't die then they'll say, see, it's working. So it's a total scam and there's a big, big, big shindig coming up in Copenhagen and this is what it's all about. Copenhagen is where the global carbon tax cap and trade, your poop chute system is going to be introduced. and everyone is out there harping on it. Everyone is just going at it. And the papers here, again, the George Monbiot from The Guardian. That guy's a communist. He wrote a book. Someone sent me a link to his book on Amazon. Are you familiar with his book? No. Manifesto for a New World Order.

1:05:13 I swear to God it's a big red book, Manifesto for a New World Order. I read that guy and I just make, he's one of the few writers, I don't read him that much but I run into his stuff because he's in the Guardian which is a red paper. And so I'm reading this stuff and I look and it's just so, I can see why some people maybe don't like my commentary about Macintosh. Because you actually start, your blood starts to boil about halfway through it. Mainly in his case because I know how to write propaganda and I can see him using this technique just to befuddle the poor reader.

1:05:56 What's worrying the globalists are all the signs that the world's politicians coverage on Copenhagen in December to discuss a successor to the Kyoto Protocol under the guidance of the UN IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. There'll be so much disagreement that they won't be able to get more drastic measures to cut carbon emissions. So the name of the game last week according to this article as we see from a sample of quotations was to win headlines by claiming everything is far worse than previously supposed Sea level rises by 2100 could be much greater than the 59 centimeters predicted by the last IPCC report. Global warming could kill off 85% of the Amazon rainforest, much more than previously predicted. The ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica are melting much faster than predicted. The number of people dying from heat could be twice as many as predicted. This is out of control.

1:06:50 So what they're actually saying here, again which I brought up in the last show, is that they don't know what they're talking about. Because if all their predictions are wrong, why aren't they wrong again? I mean obviously they don't know what the hell they're doing. When we were, when Ron and I had our public company listed on NASDAQ, You would have to predict you give guidance for the numbers for your next quarter and you'd say okay We're gonna make five have to do that No, you don't have to but it is expected and that what what investors particularly institutional investors want to see is they want to see you can predict properly so if you say we're going to lose five cents a share then

1:07:27 That's okay as long as you don't lose six cents a share. However, if you say we're going to lose five cents a share and you make 15 cents a share, you will get punished because that means you cannot predict and you don't know what you're doing in your business. So that's how it works in the real world but in the world of climate change, you can just make anything up you want. Anything. Read this article from the Telegraph. It's in the show notes. It will open up your eyes. There was a A whole bunch of dignitaries were in New York at a climate conference, including the current president of the EU, the crazy Czech guy who says global warming is a hoax. And no one reported on it. No one. Not a single report. This is why the newspapers are folding. Yeah, because they suck. Because they suck.

1:08:16 Why don't we get, you know, I mean, it's like everything is like directed. It's like there's somebody orchestrating everything and the newspapers are part of the orchestration. So we don't get a broad spectrum of opinion. It's all targeted, you know, everything has got to be this way. It's got to be that way. It's all knee jerk. It's unbelievable to me and then these guys are moaning and groaning about losing their jobs. Yeah, well how about you just suck at your job? I can't take it anymore. Talk about something else. I'm waiting for, and it is possible it could happen, I'm waiting for the first bailout of a newspaper. You watch, that's how crazy this world has become. The government will bail out, even though that would be unconstitutional. It's gonna happen. I don't think it would be unconstitutional. I'm sorry?

1:08:55 Yeah, it has to be unconstitutional. Yeah, like the Constitution means anything these days. Why don't they bail out the Catholic Church? Still no extra reporting on Baxter International. Oh yeah, there we go. There's another thing. Where are these stories? I think there was one story an MSNBC had. Yeah, somebody sent us a link or you sent it to me. Yeah, the Zimbaxi International which purposely mixed up flu vaccination with bird flu virus and they have now admitted it was a live virus.

1:09:36 Yeah, so they had mixed up the regular flu vaccine with a live bird flu virus and coincidentally this is the only company that has a vaccine for bird flu. No, no, it's not the only company. I've got to correct you on that. It was one of the companies that has a stockpile of bird flu vaccines. And deals, deals in place. Billions of dollars in deals. But first you've got to infect the public. Yeah, otherwise you can't sell it. Because bird flu doesn't seem to be catching on. No, the meme is not traveling fast enough yet. Just on inoculations in general or this HPV thing, there's some great links including finally, Katie Couric did a, I would say a reasonable report, although it doesn't really get into the true shit behind it, about HPV and you see these kids are getting fucked, man. They're in hospital beds, they can't walk, they're paralyzed.

1:10:29 It's crazy, and now they want to come out with the shot that fixes hay fever forever? There's gonna be a shot for everything. Oh yeah. Yeah, well, you need it. You need it, John. You need your hay fever shot. Don't you want to be safe? Hay fever forever. Let me just grab the article. It was... I'm gonna miss that one. Yeah, it's in the Daily Mail. Oh, this is even better. I love these guys. They're so smart. A jab to end the misery of hay fever could be available within just two years. The vaccine requires four injections over a three-week period. How can it be? It's not... A vaccine... Okay, never mind. No, please, hit me because this is exactly what so much bullshit... Isn't a vaccine imply that there's a disease that is curing? This is not a disease analogy.

1:11:27 The implication of a vaccine is that it cures a disease, or some sort of an ailment that is born of viruses or bacteria. The therapy works by... Hay fever is not born of viruses or bacteria, it's from pollen and a reaction you have to it. No, no, check it out. The therapy works by triggering a good immune reaction to counter the allergic response that occurs when hay fever sufferers reject pollen as foreign. I think the only thing good about it, if you want to know the why, is, you know, they just get more mercury into you, more formaldehyde, and probably some RFID chip dust in there. Just for good measure. So it can track your ass. That's what's happening there. But the Katie Couric thing is good. Because you can, you know, when people say, oh that's bullshit, man. You can just take a look at it. Other news, which I would immediately believe, from the Telegraph, people with higher IQs live longer. This is good news.

1:12:27 It's because they look left and right before crossing the street. You know how many Americans are plowed into by cars in England? Yeah, you know how many stoned Americans get run over by trams in Amsterdam? Exactly. Tons. Congressman Ron Paul's bill to audit the Federal Reserve has 28 co-sponsors. We're getting some traction. That would be really fun to watch, wouldn't it? Never going to happen, of course.

1:13:07 HR 1207 go ahead call your congressman or woman. Alright well you're on the subject of Ron Paul I have a story here that we ran. Is this about Ron Paul supporters are terrorists? Yeah. Yeah go ahead that's a good one. Alright this is in the blog. DeVarck.org slash blog and you can go to the blog slash NA you can contribute to the NOAA agenda show please do. Okay, I'm just gonna read this to you. A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some and some... I'm sorry, I'm trying to read into the sunlight here. Has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned. Apparently, according to this report, modern militia movement mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates such as U.S. Representative Ron Paul.

1:14:01 who ran for president last year. Anyone who talks of conspiracy theories, that's a red flag. And that includes the plan for the super highway linking Canada to Mexico and also possession of subversive literature, whatever that means. So now what are we going to do, burn books next? The whole thing is ridiculous and the thing is I'm surprised they're not Right there. Yeah, really? Oh We will get harassed dude, but it comes in different ways. It's usually IRS. They do that with me all the time Let's just stick the IRS on this fucker cuz they got a lorry. They got Gary had our run-ins at the IRS It's not gonna bother us. Tell me I'm done 50 grand a year in trouble. All right, there you go So what's another reason we need more more money to pay the fines?

1:14:57 But the fact that Ron, I'm surprised Ron Paul hasn't come out about mentioning something like, this is just a front. I mean, what, you can't have a third party candidate or you're a terrorist? Yep. And if you have subversive literature, what was it? If you talk about conspiracy theories, this is outrageous. You know that it's confirmed now that the troops in Alabama, that they were deployed, but they don't know who deployed them? after the shooting? Oh yeah? Yeah, it's been confirmed. Yeah, but the troops were... So here's what the police commissioner says, you know, I didn't call them in but they came anyway and it was really good because they helped deal with traffic. Well at least this makes them useful. Okay, you take that corner and you direct traffic. It's illegal dude, it's illegal. Yeah, I know it's totally illegal but they... I think it was Bush or somebody who passed some sort of a measure that

1:15:50 quasi legalized it. No, as long as the president says, okay, this is a... because what they changed was the term. So it can be any terrorist act, any act of God or anything that we consider fucked up. Then we can call in the army. That's basically what they did. So it's pretty weird. What's weird is that guy goes off and shoots a bunch of people and shoots himself. So what do you need the army for? To direct traffic. It's just to get you used to it, man. That's what it's about. Just to get you used to it. Well, hopefully Ron Paul himself will take action against this kind of thing. I think there's something else kind of weird that's going on. You know, there are these tea parties that kind of started with the CNBC dude. What's his name? I don't know. Who? Yeah, yeah, the guy who went off. The... Kramer? No, no, no, no. The guy who went off about the losers and... Oh, that Santelli. Santelli, yeah. So this...

1:16:55 This whole tea party thing kind of started, but I question that. I don't know anything about this, tell me. Well, so he called for it, like do a Boston tea party, only do a tax day tea party, you know, basically little protests. But it doesn't, I'm not quite sure, I can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right. It feels like kind of a disinfo thing. I'm not quite sure yet. Maybe it's an entrapment to find people who would Go along with this idiots ideas and then you take their names and put them on the terrorist watch list. You gotta watch people closely. For our Australian listeners, and we have quite a few of them in the land down under, and they're very happy, Wikileaks got a hold of the secret Australian blacklist of banned websites.

1:17:47 Is that Australia or Austria? Australia. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, we have... most of our Austrian listeners are underground. They're in the cellar with the family. They don't have time. And so, you go to... there's a link in the show notes, of course, but on this list, and this of course is to protect the children so that the entire country cannot access illegal websites, which would probably include hookers, But it also includes online poker sites, fetish, satanic, Christian sites, Wikipedia pages, gay, straight pornography, a travel operator, and even the website for a Queensland dentist. This is what's going on down under. You know, it's crazy for anyone to think they can actually filter the internet. I mean, for all... unless we all physically say, okay, I'll take this pipe instead of that pipe. It just won't happen. You can't filter it.

1:18:43 No, but you can make it tough for some people who don't care. I mean there's a lot of people out there, you know, you always think, well I can always get this information because I know how the internet works. I can use a proxy server, I can run it through a torn network and through an onion and I'm out the other end in some place in the middle of nowhere. And you know what? And we're all going to help each other like that. If it comes to that, we will, if it comes to it, we'll string all of our Wi-Fi boxes together and create a mesh network. If it comes to it, If it comes to it. But most people, my point is, is most people don't care. You know, so they can't get that dentist's website, you know, and they can't get, you know, some Christian website. So what? I mean, they don't care. They're googling something about knitting. About Denise Richardson. No, not Denise. Is that her name? No, I don't remember what her first name is.

1:20:31 On to, what other news do we got here? Well, I don't know. I got some, a couple more things, but did you take any notes? Yeah, it was good. What do you think I've been going through here? But you don't want to talk about any of this stuff. All right. You want to talk about ACTA because we have some new info on ACTA. Yes, that's what I want to talk about. Okay. ACTA is of course the, what does the acronym ACTA stand for? American Center for Tits and Ass. Advisory Committee on Intellectual Property Rights. That doesn't sound right. What the hell does it mean? Anyway, so we discussed on the last show, this is a new world global intellectual property right agreement.

1:21:20 and the documents, the actual agreement has been classified as top secret, cannot be obtained through freedom of information request through our transparent government because it is a matter of national security. However, there are a number of organizations who Who do have the documents and they are on the advisory committee. Let me just tell you a couple of these organizations names and it might become clear why this is all a big secret. So I don't know that well obviously the intellectual property alliance. I don't know the Gorland group. I do know Time Warner. Yeah. I do know Cisco.

1:22:03 I do know Eli Lilly and company, that would be a drug company. The US-China Business Council. Anheuser-Busch, the beer people, now owned by Belgians. What are they doing on this list? Dude, the secret to a good beer should be protected. That is national security. I don't give a shit what you say. Because otherwise you get that stuff made with rice. But the best one I would have to say is Monsanto. That was kind of my favorite company. The whole list by the way, which is about 20 or 30 different names. Crop Life America, Dow Chemical. I'm sure this somehow has to do... All medicine has a patent life, just like music. I'm sure they're going to change these worldwide so that

1:22:53 You do not have a choice and you have to pay for very expensive medicine, basically made from natural stuff. And your food is patented and trademarked through Monsanto. So when they forbid you from growing stuff through the new Organic Food Act, then you can only buy your seeds from Monsanto, pre-approved seeds, and you'll have to pay for them every single year, a royalty, kind of like a subscription service to food. You'll be licensing your food. Yeah, exactly. Can I license a half a chicken and some tomatoes? So this is this is of all of the things that are irksome this one really really pisses me off And I'm hoping the guys at WikiLeaks or someone will just get these documents We just need to publish them because I'm sure with all the shrouded secrecy that surrounds them that they're up to no good with that Yeah, well, it's pretty obvious. They're up to no good so

1:24:04 Back to real news. Oh god, it takes so long. You gotta have a button. You don't need one. Alright, well give me a copy of that. I gotta set up the button, you're right. Uh, looks like Anne Sophie Pick was awarded the maximum three stars in the new Mishland Guide and she's the fourth woman in history to ever win the honor. And she cooks? She's a chef at La Maison Pique in southeastern France in the town of Valence. What does Valence say? I'm not sure. So we need to visit there. I think we need to do a little recce. Yes, I think that we should go to southeastern France and have some of her sea bass.

1:24:56 A specialist in fish, her signature dishes include sea bass caught in coastal waters and steamed over wakame kelp, served with a gilardo oyster bonbons, cucumber chutney, and vodka and lemon butter sauce. Speaking of which, Patricia's in Holland for two days doing PR for the new series of shows. And so the doorbell rings and it's a guy with a heavy northern accent, UK northern accent. And he's like, you want to buy some fish? And we don't have a fish market nearby and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I love it here. We get door-to-door guys all the time. You know, we have a real milkman who delivers the milk in the morning, you know, and then takes the empty bottles. You know, the old way, like good times.

1:25:44 So I can tell me it's I get to talking to these guys and it's two guys They got a boat each they go out for two days and they go up all the way up off the coast of Scotland and then they come back and then they go sell it for two days like now dude you're kind of out of luck because you know the lady of the house really does all all these types of purchases, you know, let me Let me see what you got John, they had the most... It was literally... Because they only come by once every two months here in London because they're hours away up north. God, I bought Dover sole, sea bass, salmon. I bought 10 kilos worth of fish and put it in the freezer.

1:26:25 But it was it was it was right out of the sea man, which is odd smelled You know it smelled like like real fish. You know not stay out just always it was wonderful stinky if it's fresh And I yeah, so and I said these guys said you know the highest business He says it's so shit. I said waiting people don't want to buy says no No people want to buy, but I'm coming back with half the amount of fish. I used to it's just gone There's just no more fish. Well. It's a cycle so Yeah, it's an 80-year cycle unfortunately my children and my grandchildren will not eat fish, but it's a cycle don't worry. Monsanto is poisoning those waters. They can have some Monsanto fish with two heads. Three eyes. Yeah, you know it's amazing, but these people got bird flu from eating fish. How is it possible? You know the funny thing is you know the Simpsons used to have a fish

1:27:21 pet fish called Blinky on the show for the first, I don't know, five or six seasons and it was a three-eyed fish. that was caught outside of the nuclear facility run by Mr. Burns. Yes, excellent. Excellent. Smithers? And so this fish, this three-eyed fish, they got so much, apparently Fox, got so much flack from one of the agencies that regulates these power plants about this fish that they dropped him from the show.

1:27:58 Oh wow. That's how it works in mainstream media. Well, it's just because they keep harassing and harassing. Come on, anyway, they're not fish. You know, they go out, you know, having dinner with Murdoch. Hey, Rupert, how you doing? Pretty good. Hey man. Hey, who's picking up this check? Well, you might as well because we're losing all our money because of that three-eyed fish you keep putting on the air. Alright, I just want to wind it up with a big fail moment from Gitmo Nation East, which was just too funny. You know, we have a new police chief, the new big man on campus, because Boris Johnson came in and said to the police chief that we had, he said, you know what, I don't like you. You should leave. Literally. So this is how he left. So the new guy's in, and they did a huge dawn raid with helicopters, 80 police officers,

1:28:49 And they bust down the door to catch the villain. Uh, and he'd been arrested, uh... two days earlier. On some minor charge. He was already in jail. And these guys are busted down the door with a helicopter over it. Keystone cops. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man. All right, you got any final words so we can get out of here? No, but at the end of April, the two of us hope to meet up in Amsterdam on Queens Day, and I'm in the process of getting hold of the guy who is the head of Gomeo's Holland operation. This reviewer is similar to Michelin. I have kind of maybe bad news about that. Uh-oh, you're not going to make it. I think, I think,

1:29:39 We might have a board meeting scheduled for April 30th. So while you all be making it, I'll be hanging out with the head of the GoMeYo and a bunch of people at probably some of the finest restaurants in Holland we can find. I think I might have to do this board meeting via telephonic conference, perhaps, from my favorite coffee shop. So, just thought you should know. All right. Thank you very much. It's highly appreciated. All right, here we go. Yes. I got through just about everything.

1:30:28 vendors, our small winery guys over to San Francisco and I guess they did this in New York too. With a hundred different inexpensive cheap Bordeaux's to see if we could get some interest in some of these obscure wineries. It was actually quite interesting. That's about it. Can I give you a quote that hopefully will be used in association with my name for many many years to come? Okay. So I was thinking, you know, everyone laughs about Bill Gates who said 640k should be enough to run any computer program you want. Is that the exact quote?

1:31:05 Here's the story, you want to hear the interesting part of the story? It says 640k ought to be enough for anyone is what is the quote. And Bill, if you ask him nowadays, he denies this, that he's ever said it. And I'm reminded of when I worked at the San Francisco Examiner, there's a story that's going around. that, and by the way, we can't find any evidence in a newspaper or any place else that Bill actually said this. So I'm reminded of this story that goes around, or what used to go around the San Francisco Examiner newsroom, which is that the day before Marilyn Monroe was killed, apparently Bobby Kennedy was in San Francisco, and there's a bunch of photos of him that are missing, or ended up missing from the photo archives of the newspaper, and there's no proof that Bobby Kennedy was ever in town, which is,

1:31:53 has always led me to believe that Bill Gates somehow killed Marilyn Monroe. And that Bobby Kennedy said 640k should be enough for anyone. That's a possibility. Well I'm going to tell you that you should be able to control the world with 140 characters. Twitter is the new command line. It's back and people know how to use it. Well I hope they appreciate what you're up to here with our automated radio station. I hope so too. Well, the good news is the feedba- I just listen to the station and then I hear if people like it or not. It's just a tweet. Well you're gonna get a lot of that. Well, yeah. You know what we could do eventually if it really gets out of control? We could make it only if we follow you so we could have approved people. I mean there's all different ways, but- No, you could have a parser. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We still need to get that, uh... We need the butler for the library who can write the parsing programs all day long.

1:32:47 Well, there's a guy out there that would love to write a parser for a Twitter feed. Well, I already wrote one. I don't mind the cuss words. It's funny when you hear the voice say them. What's the website again that I go to to put a message in? All you have to do is just Twitter, no agenda stream. No agenda stream. Yeah, and it'll read out your name. And obviously, you know, I try to filter out stuff like URLs and stuff, because that just sounds lame. Someone's reading HTTP, call it. Yeah, that's no good. So I'm filtering those out. All right, I'll put some stuff in. And listen to it. NoAgendaStream.com is where you can hear some great music, real news, and your comments and feedback. And I'll keep improving on that stuff.

1:33:38 And we're gonna run into a couple problems But we'll talk about a Sunday. I can't do Thursday, so I'd have to do it next Wednesday I think if that's possible for you. Yeah, okay, we don't have an all-hands meeting do we oh we probably do yeah well But I think there's a good excuse to not go that's right We have to say excuse me. We're saving the world you're doing what an all-hands meeting, okay? We're saving humanity making the world a better place for our children or something like that, so what's going on Thursday? We have a big UK producer meeting Moody's flying out. It's gonna be a whole full day. It's gonna be fun, okay Channel Dvorak calm yeah channel Dvorak calm and also go to Dvorak org slash na and help out the this podcast

1:34:31 And also, would it kill you to tell a friend? And if you don't want to... We need more, we already need... Yeah, there's probably everybody who listens to this show must have at least one friend who would enjoy the show because... Tell them we have real news about hot, pregnant, vegetarian, vegan chicks. Yeah, can't go wrong. Can't go wrong. In fact, I should make it the album art. Alright, John, thanks a lot, man. Good talking to you. Coming to you from Gitmo Nation, East and Southwest London, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm here in Silicon Valley North, the place that doesn't exist. I'm John C. Dvorak. And we'll talk to you again on Sunday, right here on No Agenda.