Obama Wins Now What?

00:01 It is November 5th all across Gitmo Nation. It is quite a special episode of No Agenda mainly because it's early morning here for me today and late night for John, exactly the opposite of how the show was usually done which means its time for no agenda coming to you from a very exhilarated and excited morning here in the United Kingdom, Gitmo nation east I'm Adam Curry I'm John C Dvorak For one, welcome our new Obama overlord. Do you have a voice processor on your set up Joe? What's going on? What are you getting breaking out? No it's... when you said It sounds like you have like a Darth Vader voice Oh yes well it's midnight so I'm... no this is not your normal voice This is messed up! I kinda like it though

00:54 Do this do this Obama you are my president Obama you are my president This is great. We'll leave this throughout the whole show I don't know what it is, but that sounds wacky hey John congratulations we have a new president Well, you know the funny thing is they're there They're protecting didn't get to watch all those because you were sleeping But they were protesting I mean there was a big gathering outside of the White House and Oh? And yeah, and they were singing like you know that song hey hey goodbye da-da-da-da nah nah nah nah nah nah Yeah okay. And there were also signs saying you know evict Bush now Well he pretty much got us noticed didn't he isn't it like this means He's out well the thing is you know a lot of people were saying You know they liked last couple of days in there some

01:46 rumors going around that Bush is gonna declare martial law and he's gonna do this, and he was gonna do that. I was cracking up every time i heard one of those concepts because the way I'm seeing it and the information we're already hearing about bush wants to get out there tomorrow yeah well if you got people non-hey heying you like MTV remote control on your front lawn I think that might kind of spurry along there Yeah, well so he's I think the US are gonna do a quick transition and then I think he's gonna bail out before they Before the deadline. Hey John this is nuts man. I can't listen to you like this You're too Darth Vader II let me uh let me just bring it back in one second otherwise drive me nuts Okay, so I'm not have normal voice right as you do much better You know what it was? I think that was causing that crazy voice It was clearly a sample issue somewhere

02:43 I had Cass Blaster up. I knew it! It was a sample thing, so i shut down while you really didn't have to. You shut down Cass Blaster in the meantime? Yeah So before we go any further can I just say two things...I'll take that as yes you may One-to the rest of the world regardless of what anyone thinks Obama is president Can we now please once and for all lay to rest that America is a racist bunch of fuckers? Because I think we've pretty much proven that, and all the jokes that are always made in the media particularly in United Kingdom about the South and how racist we are. Could we all just stop that now because... Is that your idea of a southern accent? No, that's my exact replication of how the British

03:38 do a southern accent. Wow, they really suck at it! Yeah they sure do and anyway so that's like the number one thing I'd have to say the number one takeaway right now Okay, well I think it's probably a plus. No it is super plus absolutely Yeah no I'm in total agreement with that and in fact everybody has all jacked up worldwide You know what I am thinking they really are preoccupied with the USA aren't they? Well yeah I was just watching the morning shows over here and doing man on street interviews And uh probably five or six of the sound bites It's like you know maybe in ten years we could have a black prime minister

04:18 Ten years, they predict. Yeah there weren't that many black people even in Britain so... We got plenty of black people what are you talking about? So anyway the uh... there's a number of points I was watching this thing on and you missed a lot of it yeah well i had to go to bed around two thirty that was just after that I'm like fuck it I'll see ya'll in the morning right so um... The one good piece of news here is at least the guy isn't a Yale graduate So that's a big deal. And John, I mean you can't say the one good piece of news and at the end of the day as Americans what we always do is we always say okay all right he's our new president will get behind him that's what we do Yeah and you know the one thing is going to have to stop doing it and I don't like this and I think somebody has got to...I don't know what they're gonna do Speak to him sternly yes

05:13 They have to stop doing these big events. Yeah, that's getting a little sicko I agree Well besides the sicko part it is dangerous Sorry I mean, we did all the things we've done. People talk about it and they don't like to really discuss this too much but the one thing that we DON'T need is somebody taking a shot at this jerk Right well he had that huge bulletproof wall of glass in front him at his acceptance speech Yeah i was looking at that and it wasn't in front of him It was really interesting what they'd done there And I think it was a good idea But they were walking off away from it This guy has got to be I mean, he's got to be given his opportunity. We just don't want some... No that would be...I totally agree. ...some bad happening. This guy needs to be protected to an extreme. So... I've got an idea! Let's redouble Homeland Security

06:04 And let's redouble our efforts in... Oh, I'm sorry. That is the plan. Yeah how about this? Just stop doing these big events or do stuff you know Anyway so he had the two glass things on the side but there was nothing in front that I could see No I saw a whole documentary yesterday it looked to me like it was Like it was, um... three quarters. Sides and the front? Maybe I'm wrong No here's what it looked like to me because they shot from different angles They had the sides covered but the front was kind of like It looked as though the front didn't go out very far wasn't like the whole audience could see him from the front most people were off to the sides The front kinda had an ending that looks at that part where he is speaking to the front Was maybe some area where they actually checked people

06:50 I mean, that may have been a group that had been secured. But at the end of the day John if someone wants to get anyone they can get him and there's clearly no orders for this That's how it works Our president is getting assassinated by organization. I don't believe their nut jobs They're probably the CIA It's a little late in the night for me to get into this. Okay, don't worry about it You should go look at your email and take a look at that thing I sent you Yeah, I saw it Of course So we're watching this here are some notes that I took This is kind of interesting We saw Jesse Jackson They kept putting their camera on him At one point Jesse Jackson was in tears

07:41 So my wife starts going into like a comedy act about this, you know. It's like oh no I'll never work again. She doing his thought bubbles? Yeah! I really screwed up this time... just in tears. Oh that's funny and he just didn't look... you have to wonder what he was thinking. And where was Hillary, and Bill? They must be just beside themselves. It's so hard for me to tell because the coverage of the election specifically watched a lot of UK coverage to see what messages were coming through over here there is none of that I mean absolutely not it was in fact the BBC did such a sorry ass job

08:25 of covering this and what was funny John, was around 11 o'clock last night that's when the polls on the east coast closed. They had this big you know... election! And then they come to the host and the guy is like uh... well we don't really have any numbers you know it's like a huge anti-climax because they don't understand and the way that they don't even explain it no one understands how this works they must think were banana republic no matter what? Like, what is this electoral votes and what is all this crap but how come you get all the answers in one go and pfff no bad so another thing I noted. I didn't know that was reading some bloggers comments on my blog and then I was reading in The Atlantic

09:11 uh... newt has a lot of the democrat apologists and um... they all does that not all but a lot of the blood democrats listen to obama's acceptance is by the way i thought john mccain's yet you should go back a list of john mccain's uh... tail end it tail ended at the whole thing was better than any other speeches ever given you know, it was kind of like uplifting in a certain kind of way and let's get together. I thought it was actually quite good better than he has been performing until then which is typical of these guys. You're surprised that... what do you call that? What does the word I'm looking for when you say okay give up? You won? Yeah, the uh... Concession speech. That obviously was written two years ago when they decided Obama would win

10:00 Okay, I'm sorry. Good morning everybody! How you doing? I'm just drinking my first cup of tea here and getting ready for the day So, um... and I thought Obama's speech where everyone was like oh it was the best acceptance speech ever. It is the best acceptance speech ever! I didn't think so! There wasn't one take away. Nothing? It was basically one of his stump speeches with a thank you. Without a smile at the end. Right. I thought it was crappy to be honest about just to be straight up

10:41 I think he could have made it shorter. I think he could have, you know let the party begin and he could've done a lot of different things but he just essentially redid one of his old speeches as though he was still running in fact i was sitting there with my wife who voted for Obama Does she mind you telling everyone that? Isn't that supposed to be one of the great secrets you're allowed to keep for yourself in the United States? You can if you want too. I know, but did she okay for you because...I was amazed when i called you earlier and said yeah is that Mimi? And you said yeah, yeah, yeah! She voted for Obama! That's not really nice. Nah, I'm just kidding so anyway um she agreed that it was like why are we listening to another campaign speech? It should have been something unique

11:28 But I think we're going to be listening to a lot of the same speech from this guy for the next four years because he's, one of things that seems to me is kind of motivational inspirational speaker. And that's why if he doesn't do anything else it still a step up from Bush who can't speak and I don't think he has ever given a decent speech and at least nothing else is gonna make people think, you know, I think its gonna make people conceptually more erudite in other words that it's going to be you know the president sets the moral tone for the country and sets a lot of standards and if this guy is like a really good orator which he is I think maybe he'll improve the way people talk, I don't know. Well in general I'm obviously very happy that the United States got the President that they wanted I think that was very clear

12:20 I think it's obvious that there was no trickery going on at the polling stations. I don't think the vote was rigged, it seems like this is pretty much the consensus across the United States Of course the sad thing is that America gets exactly what it wanted Well they wanted to get Bush out of it...I mean everyone's sick of him Well, that's part of it. Absolutely! I mean there are a lot of Republican areas... The problem is the Democrats are thinking this is a mandate when its just really a rejection Instead of a mandate for them to go crazy and spend money and do all their stuff they want to do It's really kind of like we're sorry we put Bush in here you try it

13:07 Well, and this is what a lot of people in the rest of the world don't immediately understand. This is not just a presidential election but there's also a congressional election that took place at the same time and now we have a very unique combination of Congress, Senate and Executive Branch being held by well...at least the blue color of one party system we have in United States uh... but this will be very interesting to see because now basically it's okay democrats go ahead show it here shows what you got so uh... it'll be interesting i mean it's a definitely uh... u unit did the one thing about this country is that so you know so that's hard to do although bush managed to do better can really took him awhile and he wasn't like things are falling apart immediately but uh... it took them awhile to

14:00 Get to the point where he almost broke alienate everybody took him a couple of years there, but he got there eventually Yeah, it took him awhile though. I mean was it so that this ship of state is like you know It doesn't move that fast and how much we're gonna You know as best I find Obama's cadence a little you you know, hard to handle. It's just like the same... it gets to me after a while but I'd rather listen to him than Nancy Pelosi who I just really grates. Patricia was telling me that Obama had speech lessons early on because they really worked on his delivery and perhaps that cadence is really something that has been trained. Did you ever hear anything about that? Yeah, there was an article... No it's a... You have to go back and read the article that was in Vanity Fair. Apparently Obama had a very professorial style of speaking which would basically put people out so I think they've added kind of weird

15:01 Cadence that he has which eventually some mimic will really nail it and we'll all be able to copy it But no one's done that yet, but any people have tried I mean Frank Caliendo who is one of the great you know mimics we have Impressionists. He can't do it and you know and he's like unbelievable I mean he does everybody And so but once they get it I think we'll all be able to like copy because it's pretty distinctive But I heard him in that one of the things he did on a public broadcasting show, that I believe was done before very early in his career. Somebody had made a copy this is floating around where he...I don't think you had the public speaking training at the time and it wasn't...it didn't seem that much different

15:52 It's just he didn't just have, I think what he does now is he kind of pounds home points in a certain kinda professional way. That is what we're looking at and also has pauses that are pretty dramatic. He does it very well, yeah. It's all a part of the presidential public speaking training and the thing that of course every politician does is you put your thumb over your index finger so you're not pointing at people but you've got your thumb thing almost like you're holding a ten dollar bill between your forefinger and your thumb offering it to people Right, yeah the Kennedy pinch. Oh was that a Kennedy thing? Did he originate that? As far as I...I never saw anybody do it before he did. And God knows you've been around! You would know! Uh, well if Lincoln was doing something like that when he was speaking.... What is to know?! I just can't quite remember. I think i was a little too young then That was before there was a Lincoln bedroom! My goodness

16:49 But, yeah he does this...he does the pinch thing and he's any...anybody does it with kind of like he's shaking that you know like he's got dice in there. He's gonna in his up-and-down with his hand although slow You know this will be copied because it is very distinctive and it said something you can mock Well we are one other thing I guess what well we'll all be waiting for now is cabinet selection Well, the one thing that's interesting about him is he has at least with a couple of guys that were booted out of his campaign early on most of his choices have been

17:32 Again, except for these early guys that were booted out early because they weren't performing. I mean he wasn't like Hillary who just let the incompetence run her campaign for a really long time He was pretty good at moving or improving the staff to the point where you had just an horribly slick group of people that killed McCain Poor McCain was buried And the worst part about this election, according to some people I mean for one thing campaign finance reform is done. Yeah. That's just over because... They said that combined is a little over $1 billion combine these two guys collectively. CNN had a report last night because I've heard the same numbers, it was about 690 million spent by Obama and the balance of 1 billion spent by McCain but then last night's CNN all of sudden they had 1.6 billion on the screen and... I never saw that number before

18:31 hundred no they had nine hundred thousand by mccain And it was really weird, because I'm like wow. 900 million? Yeah, sorry, 900 million yeah It was really weird and I'm like wow that's double the numbers i've seen! CNN had it on screen so...it must have been a mistake but regardless That does hammer home my point that America still chooses its presidents like washing powder and if you have enough money You can become president Marketing, well I think it would be a lot to overcome the Bush legacy in this case But the thing is... And that still took $700 million. Yeah, it's true but the one thing that somebody said though and as soon they said it I just said oh brother this is going to be interesting there must be some way of getting you know into this circle uh... Somebody mentioned well you know he spent close to a billion dollars but when you think about it is that really a lot of money for to get this job? Oh my god

19:30 And as soon as that suggestion was made, I thought oh brother this is exactly he nailed it. This is going to become a one and two and three and four and five billion dollar effort. Yeah yeah and what no one ever asked themselves is where did that money come from? Who paid that money Well, if you use the excuse that it's all nickels and dimes... Oh please! ...you can't trace it. Oh please, doesn't everyone realize that this is... And now that money is being spent partially from the Democratic Party which I believe there are no limits to what you can donate so this was just spent but huge corporations give money to their parties in fact they usually give to both right?

20:17 Yeah, like Wall Street corporations. Let's see maybe guys that let's see Maybe you'd bail out in fact isn't it interesting that 700 million dollars is about what we gave to them in the first place coincidence hmm times 100 Well, the argument I've always made is that campaign finances was never going to go any place anyway. This just exaggerated the problem because of the fact that one guy took public funding but i've always thought the media would be the group who would most against all this because they're the ones that would lose in a deal because they need... The money goes to the media. They are against it! What do you mean? They are against it and not saying they want campaign finance reform. Of course not

21:02 But the thing that I thought was funny about this particular election, because I had blogged that Obama won. A couple of my bloggers would have probably liked to put it in but we went to get some... It's my wife's birthday today and so we went to her favorite sushi bar. And so you know it was obvious by 7 o'clock West Coast time that Obama had won the election These networks would I've had first thought they were getting a little gunshy because they got more gunshine since the 2000 election where they got screwed But no, it wasn't what it was. This thing was so over and done with that They were thinking holy crap We can't declare this thing over because look at all these commercial ads and we get coming up for the next hour or two people to watch our funny are cool touch screens They can't just like give them the information now that would be wrong

21:48 So they, so it was all on all these networks and everybody says too close to call. Too close to call! Too close to call! No it wasn't too close the call. That's funny They were stalling Oh man yeah you're so right of course they were I can just hear the IFBs I can just hear any other voices in the little earpieces Okay you gotta stretch it out stretch it out we need to make it to the next commercial break stretch it out Yeah, and what they were all I think doing because you know the most especially the cable networks They all listen. They all watch each other in in the control rooms They have all of different channels going at the same time And you know they're going has CNN declared yet no no okay? Then we not declaring is as Fox What are they doing now none other there would go along with CNN and they're gonna hold back for people You know people who don't think that that actually happens That way it's on every single level when I was working at z100 number one radio station at the time in New York They had light bulbs

22:40 and they had a light bulb for each of the competing stations within the music radio market. And when that station went into, when a competing station went in to commercials the light bulb would go on and that's how we play like number one hit I mean this is very competitive in the US broadcast market So now there was interesting thing took place on CNN is that they have developed a...I don't know how far are going with this since they're gonna keep doing it but they've developed a virtual hologram mechanism of some sort that they actually use in the studio where they take a reporter and you can read about it if you blog it, or blog it. If you Google it, you'll find some references to it. They did a reporter and then they did one of these, a rapper I am whatever his name is, I can't remember. Actually met him in Korea, big Obama supporter. Anyway,

23:38 They have, they use 35 cameras. And they put some person in a little I guess it's a little spot where these cameras are surrounding them and then they somehow...I don't know if they're doing this with the green screen on the other end? I don't even know how it works so I'm gonna have to find out but it looks It actually looks pretty cool but its a little corny at the same time Yeah no I'm looking at a page right now yeah this is well absolutely this is holography and so I see a reporter standing in the... it seems like the reporter is standing in the same room as Wolf Blitzer. Right But she's not really, she's beamed in No Yes, she's beamed in but I'm not sure if Wolf's actually seeing her This what I don't know Well I don't know this is a creation They're good they're not that good dude It's not like Star Trek or Wolf Blitzer well I dunno Wolf Blitzer might be seeing he

24:38 I don't know what Wolf Blitzer's looking at, but whatever the case is that they can move the camera around this image somehow. But i think...I don't know. Just first saw it today and have no idea what the deal is why you with 35 cameras obviously doing something that's... Yeah, 35 HD cameras strung together in a ring around the subject becoming the image or beaming the image in 3D back to New York. Oh! Uh...Oh no no, sorry You're right, we don't know what Wolf Blitzer is seeing. He's probably just looking at the monitor like a weatherman I, who knows. That's too bad i didn't see that live. I'll have to check that out on some YouTube clips. That looks pretty cool Yeah it is actually kind of interesting but yeah you know I would like to see somebody report on it to explain to us what's actually going instead these vagaries and this the kinda reporting we get 35 we know about thirty five cameras in a beam back holographic image but what do you know? We don't anything at all actually. It doesn't tell me anything. That's about when I'm finding here in The Guardian

25:36 uh... what still wasn't apparent though was whether the hologram was actually appearing in the cnn studio or is merely being overlaid on the picture for viewers at home so they don't know well and stay on a leader i mean that's when you're just as i'm thinking to anybody we think somebody would report on it but it's not it looks cool It looks kind of cool. It's got a glowy look to it, you know there was this... if you remember I think it was the next generation or the Star Trek one where they were...I don't know which one of many Star Trek's there were They had experimented with..they have the communicator and talk to people in other spaceships In couple episodes they experimented with actually doing holographic image in theater

26:21 Inside, no not in the theater but inside the control cabin or whatever. The main operational room whatever they call it. You mean the bridge? The bridge! They were on a bridge... Hey it's late for me So they were on the bridge and this image would boink, would pop up. And I've seen it done in other science fiction stories too and it was kind of a cool effect and something that probably would exist but then I was thinking about why they didn't just stay with this idea for future episodes and then I realized must have cost to damn much to make the special effect. Yeah well they've had projection systems that can do this for more than

27:05 more than 15 years because they had that presentation in Hollywood, I remember quite clearly reading about it where they brought everyone in including Spielberg and then a guy comes out on stage at one of these private movie screening rooms and he says okay what you're about to see is the future blahdy-blahdy-blah. And then all of sudden the guy just disappears because he was actually a hologram and everyone was convinced that this guy was real This technology has been around for a long time but is it expensive? Yeah, you better believe it Yeah, it's probably too expensive. It's probably not practical for that reason Now that we move to digital on all of our television broadcast stations throughout the United States in 2009 who knows maybe there'll be a...maybe we'll get that kind of stuff Maybe we will get holographic television Hmm

27:52 So, I'm not thinking that's gonna happen. So that's about it so the whole night was kind of an anticlimactic and we knew what was who is going to win the whole thing you know boiled down to a couple speeches at the end in a big crowd which i thought was gonna get out of control in Chicago they were predicting five hundred thousand or million people which is like why would you be wanting that many people even suggesting any that just asking for trouble? Well, I think there's a... John, I gotta say Even though this well, I think we all know my opinion. I'm uh, I don't get real patriotic at these moments You know and of course everyone wants to celebrate and so five hundred thousand a million you know It's like we're in a state of euphoria That's that's what we do We're gonna be vibing on this all the way through the weekend at least when's the next football game on?

28:42 uh... those college games on sunday actually is usually a couple games on thursday night and friday night right now in the carbonate ecology and said lot of good ones coming up this saturday and then i do course to professional yeah well that's what we've already got you killed Saturday until saturday them there will be honored to you know important stuff yellow college ball area usc playing calister see even though the gains but no doubt one Anyway, so I don't know. I was just kind of like... I was kind of disappointed to be honest about it. Really? Except for the Jesse Jackson in tears. That was just too much. It's just like wow!

29:24 Well, I you know looking at it. I have to agree. I mean, I'm not I'm not disappointed about anything and again I think this is great for America because it shows that we all can unite even if we're uniting against something That probably isn't the right thing It doesn't matter the Unionist does show what America can do and I'm really proud of that a very patriotic but from a I'll have to agree with you from a show perspective. I mean this was not uh... the way this series should and you know that in the that speech was not the right and i mean there's got to be something much better out to really finish us off before college starts on saturday otherwise yet then we have a real bummer season of uh... of the election show well they're probably going to milk to the thing a little bit with so you know who did it which would you gonna start hearing about who the various cabinet members are and that should be interesting and uh... i'd suspect is going to be a lot of clinton people

30:19 from the Bill Clinton administration. You know, there's going to be the same political hacks and you have to have people that know what they're doing. You can't just bring in a bunch of professors that don't know anything so it's gonna have to be some group that has been in there before and that means... I mean what is this last Democrat who has been in office? It's been Clinton! Before that he had to go back to Carter and those guys are probably all dead. Except for Brzezinski Right Brzezinski, that's the one guy. That's your favorite guy. That's the guy running the show yeah Maybe true so on another matter we went to See some my daughter does improv and so we went to see some stuff here in San Francisco And we walked right past it was at the Fort Mason and we walk right passing event

31:14 that if you were in town and I my apparently my wife went out of her way not to tell me about this. Oh man don't tell me there was another David Icke show a 2012 convention. Ah crap! oh man and we missed it, she went out of her way not to tell you? That's what she says Take it from the people who love you, huh? Well anyway I went in there anyway just to go wandering in and oh man. I would have loved it right You might but I'll tell ya it was like walking into...you just had this vibe of

31:57 certifiable insanity. Was it the vibe of 2012's coming doom and death or salvation is coming, the ascension? No no they're the doom and death types. Oh okay I don't like those guys. Nah i'm not into that And, I mean end of the world 2012. No no no it's not the end of the world It's the beginning of a new world The dawning of age of Aquarius Maybe i have to go back and look at some of these flyers that i grabbed But i get this sense that maybe thats what is is Whatever was it was creepy And they were all dressed weird Now now They look at you weird when you go in Narc He has got be a narc Look at him

32:37 He's got NARC written all over him. I didn't have NARC written all over me. Uh-huh. They immediately wanted to sell me a...I should've bought this thing, it was only ten bucks. They uh...wanted us immediately as soon as we walked in here's the poster from the event and all of the autographs of all different speakers on it. I've always wondered when you know when we go out to dinner at these classy restaurants together do we look like ummm....like your my gay sugar daddy? You know, I don't think so. Are you sure? Yeah pretty sure because you can tell...I mean for one thing we'd i don't think would give off any gay vibe. Oh I do! And the other thing is that anyone in San Francisco notices one way or the other cares because there's a lot of true

33:28 I don't look like, well since you're picking up the tab. You know? Which kind of proves that i'm not! But you are refining me in life, your showing which wine to drink and so I can culture myself, cultivate myself Yeah but I never really do that we just buy the wine and drink it It's not like I ever explain anything. I'm just wondering, what are you explaining all the time? We're always talking... Mostly it was giving you the ridiculous anecdotal material about this wine and where it came from but that is different than what you would do if you were trying to get someone up-to-speed on their palate

34:10 Yeah, but from a distance you know and then we're always talking about our gadgets. You know I think there's a lot of gayness to us John. I'm sorry it's just as an outsider At least we're in the right neighborhood for it that's true through it's like you know Get beat up in Chicago now you Know you even get beat up at Amsterdam for being gay these days is fucked up I mean, it's funny. You get beat up in Amsterdam... It's true! That never ever used to happen the tolerance level of course was so high and that's dramatically changed over the course of the past decade it's really you know it's become sad really sad. I wonder what's changed then in Holland? Well I can tell you that any Dutchman can tell you that immigration immigration of Moroccans predominantly

35:05 Yeah. Who culturally do not fit with a gay culture in general? There's a funny irony in California because they had run this Proposition 8, which was a... How did that do it? Did that pass or what is the deal? It looks like its gonna pass Oh no! So thats bad right? Well, I don't care But the point is that there was a passage of no gay marriage some years ago. The state didn't want gay marriage in the state for some reason, which is weird because San Francisco's fairly gay and it doesn't represent the whole state but

35:49 Then the courts got a hold of this in some case or other and then reversed, you know said this is bull and gay marriage is now legal. Which was like going from one extreme to the other This became kind of an issue. And so they got together and said, no we're going to pass a constitutional amendment that was the yes on eight thing. And the irony is is that because Barack Obama who all the gays helped vote in brought out so many black voters like everyone 96% of all the voters that were black voted for Barack But a lot of them are new, they would never vote normally. They all came out and with few exceptions most of the black community is against gay marriage

36:34 So you had this very interesting kind of a like, here's the good news and here is the bad news about from the same group. I thought it was ironic in a very fascinating way. You have that on statistics? That most of black community is against gay marriage? Is that what I just heard you say? Yeah. Really? Yeah, now there was well documented. interview the black community which is many religious people There were no. The blacks, generally speaking, were way on the yes side of this issue Wow! But there's... I'm just googling around and don't see any final result. I guess we won't know that until the morning? Well it was pretty close but you know both sides are hoping for the best but i think is gonna pass And passing means that would ban gay marriage Right

37:32 back to square one so uh... i have personally blamed uh... um... if they have this clip of my probably start using on tech five i'd personally blame gavin newsome because he came out and after the supreme court made gay marriage legal because she's made it legal for him on by fiat for a while in san francisco uh... once they did that you may just speech kind of throwing it in everyone's face. Like, you know, here is what... and he used this comment. It was

38:13 Nothing you can do about it now in a very, kind of mocking way. Nothing you can do about it now! You know that kind of thing and that got used by a lot of the advertising for the pro side and I think it was very detrimental to this guy would come out and start flaunting it. Yeah, thats not only unprofessional its unsportsmanlike Well... It didn't help the cause let's put it that way so I blame him. No, this guy's got the problem with Gavin Newsom and people out there who don't know who this guy is you can look him up on Google and take a look at his picture. He looks like a Treat Williams type actor he's a really good looking guy who was always dating models and he's got a lot of charisma And uh... You can see that they're grooming him as a governor or type for the Democratic Party

39:06 You know, you could see he would like to be president or something like that. But I think he's just a little too... Icky? Yeah, he is a little greasy. Yeah, icky, icky-greasy. Exactly. Well so I guess the stock market will go crazy then today Let's see what the pre market looks like. What are futures saying? I betcha they're up We had really like a 300 point uptick today on the Dow on the eve of the elections? I'm just saying. Yeah, well, I mean, the market's been going up because of this and you know once one of the two guys is... hold on a second... Ian it would have been go up with either one of them generally speaking right after elections you know it takes uncertainty out of the picture now you can start to figure out what you want to do so that makes a big difference I'm on the wrong computer to get there when looking for your own

40:12 let's see the dow futures you have a special machine that is like your trading machine where you have your level two screens and I got ten screens and i poke away at them. You sit in the middle of big cushy black chair buy sell hold short that fucker So it was up 305 today. So, uh... Let's see where the futures are here there should be some aftermarket numbers floating around. Well you can get that on Bloomberg! Yeah, I've become an addict to Yahoo. Really? Yahoo Finance? Uh-huh. Huh. Interesting. Here is U.S stocks index futures fall after Obama win. Oh let me see. So when down as a Reuters story on it

41:07 We lost, it just went down 1.3%, 1.6%. It's been going up a couple of days but this is just a correction I think. Dow down 137. Oh, that's it should open flat at least S&P 500 now actually these are these are pretty severe this may be in the hundreds on the downside Yeah could be in that That's what I've learned how to do this from Mark mark my friend on CNBC The chubby guy oh yeah and girlfriend ah she looks so beautiful last night Erin Burnett

41:46 Did you see her? You're getting a crush on this woman. Getting, are you kidding me?! It's out in the open! I'm sitting there with Patricia going like oh man... You and Rush Limbaugh. I love her, I love her and then Patricia goes she's kind of nerdy. I said precisely that's exactly it. She is totally nerdy. She's not classic beauty but ah man.. And she's single I'm sure she doesn't have too much trouble getting a date. I know man, she's got a tough life She's probably seeing somebody... What is this John? Can i have half a dream for second here? Oh, she's probably seen somebody Tell me she's lesbian next please anything! She doesn't seem to have any of those earmarks oh man But that would complete the picture wouldn't it? So

42:37 Yeah, maybe the Dow's gonna fall tomorrow. It's possible Bumps and then the thing is gonna bounce down back to his bottom You know where it's just kind of like gonna build a base. It's gotta build a base a foundation I have money riding on 72 86 as a bottom. I don't think he's ever gonna get that there ever now deciding one of my friends says that he's expecting I think I mentioned this before he's expecting this thing to fall apart in April and You know, the market's done that a couple of times in the spring. It's not common. Fundamentally I mean this is... Look here's what will probably happen let me just get back to the elections for a second because what is going to happen tomorrow? What's the spin gonna be?

43:25 Wall Street knows that their contribution to electing Barack Obama, which was tens of millions of dollars... Huge. If not hundreds who knows? They know there's nothing he can implement until he is actually in office so nothing is going to change I predict actually there's going to be a lot of negative spin from the markets. They're all going to be in an anticipatory state, we can't really do anything and have to see what the new president is going to do...I think they are gonna spin this negative honestly. What would be the point of that?

44:03 Because there's really no change. There is no change at the moment, they can't do anything and the thing they're least unsure about is... At least probably with McCain They would have had an idea of alright you know yeah we'll raise taxes but it won't be raised on us Everyone knows that this trillion dollars, or really it's more like three trillion probably that has been pumped into the system has to come from somewhere. And it has to come either from more borrowing or from taxes neither of which really bode well

44:42 I'm looking at some articles here where they're predicting what effect he's going to have. I wrote a thing called, How Do Obama Proof Your Portfolio? Oh good one! Is that on Market Watch? It is in Market Watch. Of course when you read it you can kind of figure out who it was that was given... like quoting some very rich person that we both know who has his personal theory about what to do with your money and its kinda conservative But much of it has to do with getting your money out of a lot of stuff that might not work out. And, but he did have one interesting comment which was

45:23 he thinks a lot of this green stuff that's going to be probably emphasized by this administration will invite a lot of scammers because when you have just a bunch money flying around like that, your gonna find a bunch real flaky kind of sketchy companies cropping up all over the place and you have to be really concerned about that. Well yeah I mean there is going to be a lot of cap-and-trade systems that are gonna put into effect So I'm looking at this Reuters article on how US stock sectors could fare in an Obama administration. There's no bylines, it's Reuters actually... yeah, Reuters. But he goes on the solar wind power, whoever wrote this shares of solar energy companies and then you've got a bunch of them listed here might be kind of interesting. It's probably an article to read. There was a big brouhaha over here

46:17 They've done the numbers, Gordon Brown the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom you know he's basically talking about all world leaders are and he is saying we'll create 100 000 jobs in wind energy alone. So they have done the numbers and said with that kind of money which is only like a hundred million pounds or something whatever they say you might create 10 000 jobs not 100 000 There's a lot of exaggeration. The other thing that kind of bothers me about Obama, although anyone would do this is all these promises you know we're going to do this and that and it's like we're going to spend this and fix this and fix that well let's get a list and write it down see what actually gets done I just think there will be continuation

47:06 of the Clinton administration. That would be good, actually I didn't think that ruined the country by any means but bad...the bad possibility is that would be a continuation of the Carter administration, it'd be Carter II he never did have his second term uh... i don't think he did that well well so um this is this kind of interesting because while you were saying that i went to brock obama dot com which by the way has the entire list and it's very detailed as all you can say yes he has a screen capture what you can have saved all the pbfs cuz they've been have those as pdfs not just went to decide again these guys are slick i'd like the way they operate

47:47 Big thank you banner change can happen. Thank you that it says you provided You prove that change can happen you built an unprecedented grassroots organization in all 50 states That brought a record number of people into the political process many for the first time many for the first in a long time our success required Unprecedented resources and our Democratic National Committee played a major role on the ground efforts had generated record turnout up And down the ticket Please make a donation to the DNC to help fund... Yeah, never let up. Here it is! When you donate $30 or more you'll receive a limited edition shirt to show your support for change They don't let up No they don't let up Those guys really know how to grab money Hey by the way this is Holy crap So wait a minute There's actually no more menus Oh wait skip the donation and go to the website Boy that freaked me out Don't tell me they took everything offline Now okay It's all there

48:45 uh... it's different today that i think is funny though the splash page is now a another thing to collect more money and i had to tell you guys this but that's not what he wanted to hear no numbers but that's how we're getting rid of my that's the beginning here so here's our peers or restarted take money away from you we start with the homepage Come on Hillary supporters get involved and here's the Obama mobile text hope to 62262 I guess what's done in a maybe that some of that money goes through the group organized locally with our online tools.

49:21 Yeah, these guys are just so much... I mean it's just kind of embarrassing because you know the Republicans at one time in terms of their marketing strategies were way ahead of the Democrats especially with direct mail and things like that. Go ahead Once the internet came along, it's just like that you know especially guys like Joe Trippi who is one of the really smartest Internet. He was the guy who did Howard Dean thing he made the guy a household name before anybody ever saw him and he was collecting money left and right for that guy And they're just heads-and-shoulders above the Republicans with this stuff

49:59 The Republican stuff is Mickey Mouse compared to the... Oh, it's like my first Sony versus an HD camera. And what I was most impressed by was the social engineering the way they... you know there were a number of astounding things they put together You would donate, then you would get recruited into calling people. They'd match last names so like Jewish last names who get Jewish last names to call Irish last names will get Irish last names to call they had kind of like one of those reverse VoIP type systems i believe So that you weren't actually paying for any of the phone calls

50:43 And then, you know calls would get automatically connected to your home phone. You know where they ring the same... Both ends ring at the same time and a lot of really good smart technology that was put in here Right yeah definitely Now the only thing I find kind of interesting here it seems to me They don't have Obama's acceptance speech posted yet. I don't see that either That's very interesting That's kinda surprising You'd think they would have, or even have a video of it or something. They don't have any of it. They're probably too busy getting plastered. Seriously! I'm looking at the defense plan

51:25 that Obama's put together. If you think we're getting less war, go read that. Well my dad used to always say... this is an old union guy who had all the stereotypes of the two parties- Democrat obviously I was raised a Democrat myself he used to always have this one thing says you know the Democrats are the War Party and the Republicans are the Depression party An Obama-Biden administration is going to work in cooperation with our allies and private sector to identify and protect against emerging cyber threats. Whatever that means... Well, there goes your internet!

52:11 Well, you know what happened in Australia while you were sleeping? They essentially decided that they're going to just censor the whole net the way the Chinese do. Yeah but this has been... In fact there was a question about that because we talked about it on the show that we did over the weekend and Yeah, that's effectively the way China is doing it. But I've received reports from people in Finland that say that has been going on in Finland for a long time and there are apparently other countries... And people don't really know about it, I guess? The overarching question is how does anyone even really think they can

52:53 Well, there's two questions. One is what is quote illegal content? Apparently in Australia they're talking about hardcore porn not pedophilia but you know hardcore porn You know why is that illegal all of a sudden yeah That's my question I think it was always illegal there or it's illegal here What constitutes hardcore porn versus regular porn now come on John tell me what is it What is it? My understanding, I mean it depends. Where do you draw the line? Well in the United States it used to always be some sort of a...I forgot they had a term for it like locally you know you determine on local basis and you can make this would

53:36 not hard hardcore in california but it would be in tennessee and then come on man that's ridiculous so we're saying is there is no law there is there is no description of what constitutes hard was totally vague it's a little bit it's bullshit and stuffy with when two people can do this stuff together meaning how can that ever be illegal i'm just sayin So yeah, so Australia... did they actually implement it? I mean i don't think its not implemented yet but has been signed into law now officially. Well you know the thing is..I dont know We blogged about and wrote about and long since forgot what it was It doesn't matter! Its coming next to America, I guarantee it Well its coming everywhere But the thing that's kinda interesting

54:21 is the fact that nobody wants to face the reality that this isn't about porn. Of course not! It's about control of content, in other words if you can stop...you know if you get the systems in place so you can stop this sort of thing You can now start scanning for political messages that might be against the guy your for Like this show will be off the air within 10 years I guarantee it and Well, that's hopes to God. I was waiting for that! Oh man... Now so definitely if you have a chance because i know a lot of you have not done it A lot of you have but go to barackobama.com and just look at all the plans save them because that is essentially what we'll be talking about for least the next four years Because well alright I like plans let's run against the plan

55:15 And let's see how happy we are with a lot of it. I don't think we will be doubling up in Afghanistan, doubling up on home security Well you know the one thing you have to do is you have to say look this guy got elected Let's see... We support him! You and i think that he's not gonna do what he says No no, you and I think that he is a fantastic charismatic guy who is front and center for what I call the shadow government, i won't put you in that spot. And there is absolutely... this an organized plan it's beautifully executed but I don't know if its necessarily going to be the best thing for America. Right something like that The point is let see what he can actually accomplish

56:08 I don't know what he's going to accomplish. And the other problem is, of course, is with the Biden formula for fear which was the thing about something bad that's gonna happen. Yeah in January? It wouldn't be... You know, the thing is there is a cycle or it's not really a cycle but it's like the Al Qaeda guys that group they really did have an eight year thing every eight years they'd like to pull some stunt so that would be next year sometime who knows when September 11th perhaps. Oh please! In fact, that would seriously be out of the stock market

56:45 on September 11th. How about out of the country? These things are like incidents, you know that people freak out about it but it's like you're not touched by it generally and as the stats are very low for being affected by terrorism and some most likely get hit by a safe falling from a building but anyway the point is that September 11 would be kind of an opportune moment and to make a point, and I would just be out of the market. I would just have been cash or something you know, be going some gold bars or something like that on September 11th 2009, I'm just saying And again one of the things i am still concerned about is Los Angeles airport because of the fact that they took shot at it once before so why wouldn't they try it again?

57:32 Top of the list for Homeland Security, Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq. Focus on the right battlefield which is Afghanistan says it right there and Obama administration will work with other nations to strengthen their capacity to eliminate shared enemies which means selling them weapons Barack Obama and Joe Biden will improve the American intelligence apparatus by investing in its capacity to collect analyzed information from us, share information with other agencies carry out operations to disrupt terrorist operations and networks. They're going to... Oh! The battle of ideas there we go a two billion dollar global education fund to work to eliminate the global education deficit and offer alternative to extremist schools

58:23 uh... yeah right so that's a uh... boondoggle of some sort it's going to go on somebody's pockets so anyway and of course somehow there was no love message from al-qaeda endorsing mccain and uh... we're waiting for some kind of terrorist uh... So they, you know of course somebody there and then there was a pronouncement on one of the big news networks that according to the government they have shut down the Al Qaeda. It's just an eye roller They shut down al-qaeda is access to the internet Wow! They're so cool And I'm thinking really? Shut up Yeah because they went to the guys homes they know where they live

59:22 And they just pull the plug. It seems to me that's exactly what you have to conclude, if they know where these guys are and they could do that... Yeah! They'd just go pick them up. Oh no God forbid, that would end the war on terror So I don't know what their thinking there in this, i think this is going to be more of the same as some kind of farcical security situation Well, this is good. I was just going to say this is good because we now have a real movement in the United States and in fact it's to some degree a global movement 80% of Brits would have voted for Barack Obama had they...had not that whole Tea Party thing And now we just need to stay aware and awake and watch what happens and call him on it you know? Call him on things he has promised to do

1:00:15 And use that same energy, that same something that's very unique to America to police this thing and make sure it happens and we get what we want. Or hopefully a little more than change in hope." So one of the things...one of the kind of experts who came on if you wanna call him that Tom DeLay was on one of those shows And he was on MSNBC with Chris Matthews, who was mocking him. Delay is an ex-Congressman? Yeah no Tom Delay used to be the head I think you know he's a big shot in Congress and he was indicted in Texas and he's a creepy looking kind of corrupt character

1:00:56 Aussie and Ron related as well wasn't there some shit with him going on there. Yeah, it could be yeah Probably a music Texas you make sense but anyway to delay now He's you know he's I retired and he's like now he shows up once in awhile to take pot shots Which you know? I admire personally think I'd like to listen to these guys that are you know taking the shot from the outside And he says that the real situation that's going to evolve, because the Democrats have got the House and they've got the Senate and they've got the executive offices is gonna be a battle of wills between Nancy Pelosi and Obama as to who is gonna be the dog on top. And I think... He went on about it

1:01:41 And it made nothing but sense to me, but Chris Matthews thinks that he was thinking everything is going to be hunky-dory and called DeLay a hater. For even suggesting such a thing could evolve. But it actually made some sense for something like that would happen because I think if anyone's gonna try to push around Obama, I don't think there will be some foreign leader right out of the chute. I think its gonna be Nancy Pelosi and her, you know, minions. Oh no... they're totally controllable

1:02:18 They know how to control Pelosi, they got no problem with that. They got her to run the whole bailout program and she did great on that for them Yeah for them but you know is Obama gonna play ball? Dude of course! Here's another one I like this Barack Obama will appoint a deputy national security advisor To be in charge of coordinating all US programs aimed at reducing the risk of nuclear terrorism and weapons proliferation We're going get all kinds people in and Pelosi, they totally know how to control her. It's the same people! Why would you think that the people who... I know your people, your Brzezinski group Well it's logical Wall Street pushed for that I'm not absolutely sure there is only, you know, there are no competing groups here You kind of think that there is a unified

1:03:05 shadow government yes that is good you know that is that they have a meeting every once in awhile I get to yes they do it's called the Bilderberg group yeah they do yeah there we go and heard this stuff in the 60s anyway again again you and your generation let that shit go in the sixties and now we have to clean up but thank you very much yes exactly you've been hearing it for that long that's how long it was all then as bowl now these are drinking clubs So yeah, but that's how it works. What do you think their lobbyists are they're drinking clubs or in class? It's too late for you further to hear this from me isn't it you can't we'll see I just didn't go to bed

1:03:51 listening to this, you know it's I'm not we'll see let's just see how it plays out. I'm guaranteeing there's gonna be some fights going on between us just to see who is gonna take credit for all the changes that are gonna you know everyone everyone's gonna be taking credit everyone is gonna be saying we said we'd give you change here's change yeah then the change is gonna be what he's gonna be left in your pocket yeah change his change for your dollar Thank you very much. You want to change, here's your change chump. Alright John I'm going to let you go to sleep. We could talk for a long long time still Yeah i don't know that we contributed anything to the conversation for our listeners who wanted us to do something after this thing but

1:04:35 I guess a few of them will get a kick out of it. Well, and what most will say is hey wait a minute you guys John You guys predicted McCain would win how about conceding on that? Well, you know I was thinking about that because I've been pretty good at this. But what happened is somebody pointed out McCain walked into a buzzsaw. You had the economy collapsed, you had the financial crisis everyone hated Bush. There was no way this guy's going to win if things were going the way they were two years ago when I made my prediction and Dallal will tell again what it was...You may have heard it

1:05:13 Two years ago, I predicted that Hillary would run as president and Obama would run as vice-president and McCain would run as president with the Vice President being Mayor of New York Giuliani. Which at the time made a lot of sense. Giuliani obviously was blown out because he couldn't do this... And then they flipped! The other ones flipped over, so Obama ended up with the thing. Who knew that was going to happen? He was going to get on the ticket but I didn't think he was going to be the top guy. He didn't take Hillary, got rid of her. So essentially we have still pretty much close to my prediction two years later but it flipped again and Obama and his merry men just blew me out of the water. Since I thought I was so far out on this at least I should get some credit for coming damn close

1:05:57 No, you get zero credit. In fact I need to hear you say that you were wrong because you still haven't actually admitted it. I was wrong! There ya go... I was WRONG WRONG WRONG who knew? Yeah well- I actually had said how wrong it was the following I had told people that Obama was not electable Yes that's right now you said an Obama Hillary ticket would be unelectable Right, but I also said both...but at the same time if anyone else was listening to my blather would have heard me say that Obama wasn't electable and Hillary wasn't electable and it would be doubly bad if they ran together on the same ticket. And I still think that may have been true and maybe the Obama people thought that's why they didn't want her But whatever the case is, they did everything right and I was dead wrong on all of it There goes our credibility

1:06:53 Yeah, we don't have any credibility. We don't know anything about nothing! We don't need credibility just to sit here and shoot the shit. Oh that's it? Credibility?! We don't need no stinking credibility!! But anyway I still think i came closer than most people did at that with a long shot from a long distance but you know hey...I still lost a bunch of bets and uh.. I won one bet though which was that? a friend of mine, you know him John Markoff of the New York Times I've been beating him on these election bets for like 15-20 years and he knew what the bet was going to be which is me taking McCain and he refused to do the betting insisted on reversing the bet really so he took mccain with the thing that he couldn't be depressed under any circumstances because if

1:07:46 You know, McCain won. He would get the $100 from me and if Obama won he would give me the hundred dollars and still be happy This is the kind of logic we're dealing with here at The New York Times. I was just going to say, New York Times! There you go. So he lost the bet... He actually voted for McCain or bet on McCain but he did it knowing that he can't beat me on a bet and so he reversed the whole thing and he may actually be the reason why I've been winning all these bets for all these years because whatever he does is always wrong. Always wrong? Always wrong. And uh..so I got 100 bucks from him

1:08:29 Although these are just these aren't real wagers for anyone listening. It's a it's a virtual hundred Oh really no I Bet bloom the 72 86 by February 14th But 70 to 70 yeah doubt Dow 72 86 by February 14th He took that he took the it's not gonna happen Yeah from under the president's team at this initiative that because there is a foundation number that surround seventy two hundred somewhere where the thing actually could do that i mean the market could go to have won't wouldn't go much below now but based on what all these experts say uh... i don't think it's going to do i think it's gonna stabilizer you know when next week or two and start to creep up well eight in potentially all of us can be really really good because personal people are feeling good if the market

1:09:25 Again, it looks like it will open down this morning. But if the market continues to hold out for a while we can have a nice Christmas people spend a little bit more and we're feeling better We know those checks are coming in the mail so we're going to spend $1,000 on presents for our kids that's gonna help the economy In general that could be a nice little spark Yeah, no I think that's what everyone thinks is gonna happen. I think it's going to happen and I think that is what's going to happen but actually based on my...and I gotta get this material finished shortly Based on my big picture of the way I see things going ummm....I think its not gonna do a dipsy-do here I think its gonna build a base start to take off

1:10:13 Obama's gonna do some good things, some things are going to look better. Maybe he'll even get us out of Iraq which would be interesting I don't think so but anyway whatever the case is... Straight out of Iraq into Afghanistan? He says it right there! He's gonna double up the efforts in Afghanistan Well maybe should get us out of Iraq but whatever the case is it will change the financing and then next thing you know you might a big burst at the end of the year which would be ideally take us, well ideally it's a bad thing but it could crash big time after running up to 25 thousand 30 thousand something like that I'm thinking a Dow at twenty five thousand and actually my bet is that the Dow is going hit uh... I guess fifteen. I have this specific bet with a broker 15 thousand? Fifteen thousand before it hits six

1:11:01 That would be a huge swing to the upside. Wow! No, no it's gonna... that's just for that bet my personal belief is that when the Dow takes off its going to hit 25 or 30 thousand. Oh my god when is this taking place? It could happen next year. Twenty-five thousand?! I mean.. that's astronomical John Just make a note Well, I always say if you're that confident. If people don't believe it's going to hit 25 thousand that fine but if does my advice is to get out Around twenty five thousand? I'm taking profits there You have to remember during the 1929 crash we had a very similar situation as we have economically

1:11:45 And now, in fact you should look at banks falling apart back then. The Dow Jones essentially tripled during the year 1929 and it did it pretty much within about three years or I'm sorry a three month period. It tripled completely tripled that means it would go from 10 thousand to 30 thousand there's no reason they can't do it again. You're right. And then we'll make all that money on our index funds and then what? It goes down to $6,000? We're screwed. Then the money becomes worthless! No, that could happen. I mean you never know what's going to happen. These things don't ever happen the same way twice. That's the real problem they are always a little skewed but... No John, that is what makes life interesting

1:12:32 Well, he makes it... yeah I guess. But anyway so you know I could be wrong this might not happen we might just have kind of a bouncy market and then the other thing by 2013 i'm guaranteeing we're going to be in the middle of depression. This will be my next long-term gamble. I am looking at your Market Watch column about how Obama proofed your portfolio Yeah. I like this line, well i normally do not like using anonymous sources... ...I have to in this instance for personal and political reasons. This advice comes from a Forbes 100 richest investor friend who is risk-aversed and has been thinking about Obama proofing his portfolio So you know that this is going to drive me nuts right? I gotta figure out who it is You know after the show's over you'll figure it out. I'l tell ya who it is

1:13:21 No, no. I want to figure it out don't don't those okay for me? I want you to figure it out But if I but if I nail it on the show will you admit in the show or are you not going To do that no and I don't think it's a good idea Okay, but enough about Larry Ellison hmm haven't talked to Larry for a long time so definitely yeah I'm just throwing that out man. How was at his house though. I know you were I know your hotel room Hotel room all right hey John listen man You got to go to bed have a meeting tomorrow well we both have a meeting I got the same meeting except, i get to stay up and that starts at 5.30 this afternoon my time You really gotta use this coastal living my friend, by coastal Let me just call in the meeting No you should go It's a good one it's an all hands meeting we've changed the name now Yeah now I got that All Hands on Deck, All Hands on Deck, Navy Man That exactly what is, All Hands On Deck

1:14:27 No, I'll be good. Alright so...I would appreciate if we could still do a show on Saturday even though uh..we kinda got a little bit deeper than just Obama this morning or this evening for you? We can probably do a show on Saturday if it depends what our listeners want Okay let us know That's such a dumb thing to say And send your email to John at Dvorak dot org That's it everyone for this post-election No Agenda. Coming to you from the United Kingdom, my name is Adam Curry and I'm John C. DeVorek in Northern Silicon Valley and we'll talk again next week right here on No Agenda