War on Weed

00:00 Poor Google, oh ho ho! They can't do anything because the government doesn't make them... Adam Curry, John C. Devorah. It's Sunday, August 11th, 2013, time for your Gizmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 538! This is no agenda. Dodging the Austin false flags here in the Travis Heights hideout. Good morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm just in Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. Wow. Probably the most uncoordinated opening we've ever done.

00:38 Thank you. Yeah, well no, you're more than welcome. I was trying to make it a little different. Yes, well you know because you get emails about this stuff if you don't do that and people are like, oh you're phoning it in. You're just phoning it in. I'm phoning in. I'm always, hey, technically that's what I'm doing. Yes. If you think about it. It's Skype. So you are technically. Skype, I'm Skyping it in. You are totally phoning it in. Now, I got to tell you, there's something very strange going on here, John. With your email? Yeah, well, the email. And by the way, I never got my spreadsheet from Eric. It's funny, he says that he sent it out at 1am, I didn't receive it. Oh, 1am, well it might be in way back. It might be in the 1am form. I mean, 1am is 200 emails ago for me.

01:21 Also, I think I'm kidding. I've been you know, I've rebuilt my mail server and Which is it's kind of a it's an apropos topic which we which you can certainly get into Regarding the lava bit shut down and what is it silent circle and blue square and red triangle? And what are these email services by the way? What is lava bit? I can't keep up. People are like, wow, you're always keeping up. The key to keeping up is to ignore stuff for a while because most of it fails within months. Yeah, exactly. It's like that old lava thing. Oh, what was that? Yeah, lava. Well, lava had been of course folded. Already folded. But hold on a second. But the claim,

02:09 Which as far as I know has not been substantiated by anyone. The claim is that purported whistleblower Edward Snowden used LavaBit as his email provider. I don't even know if that's true. Have we seen any emails that show that he used LavaBit and was LavaBit so great? Well, no. And the thing is, this is not about using encrypted services, this is about decentralization. This is the point that I think a lot of people are missing. We have to encrypt everything. Of course you want to encrypt as much as you can. Of course you want to slow down the government as much as possible and at least

02:54 attempt some, make some attempt at privacy, but much more important is you don't want to put all of your crap in one single point of failure. This is the mistake that people keep on doing like, whoa, what email provider should I use? Well, none, you know, learn how to set up an email server. Did you hear about, I heard about this great thing today, which now it's not, it's really like alpha stage, you know, there's no like clickable installs. It's called BitMessage. And the idea is it's very much like Bitcoin where you have basically one long block chain of messages. A pyramid scheme for email. No, no, no. But the idea is that your email address becomes essentially just like a BitTorrent address

03:42 But you know it's encrypted on both ends by default and there's no central service. It just kind of rolls out there and if within two days you haven't acknowledged you know that you receive the email then the system deletes it. And so it's a very it's a it's kind of a mind-boggling concept of how to send messages but what's extra special about it is there's a proof of work just like Bitcoin so it's unattractive for spammers. Yeah, I would think it's so I'm like, you know, and I'm after the show I'm gonna install it cuz you know, you need Python and you know, you got it It's it's early days But the idea just like you know, we're using this bit torrent sync Which you know seems to be the future of distribution of media as far as I'm concerned If you if you haven't used this on every single show notes page at the bottom there. We have a little new exclamation mark

04:33 BitTorrent Sync and you just set up a folder on any of your computers and then even before it hits the RSS feed, you get the show. It just appears on your desktop without any other company kind of in the middle. So this is the same with this BitMessage. I'm really liking this. This is the way to go. Just everything kind of in a BitTorrent-like protocol and then everything else will just fall apart, I guess. Well, I like the BitTorrent Sync idea. And I think people should definitely play with that because it might be the future.

05:09 Especially when they shut this when somebody finally says, you know, these guys have been kind of amusing for a while Yeah, what do you think yeah, fuck him Why take a chance why take a chance? Exactly. Well, I think this might have happened John remember when I got back we got back Tuesday light and late night Wednesday I had a little time to prepare the show then Thursday. We did the show and And the first clip I had for you was of this drill in Austin where, you know, oh, we're Department of Homeland Security, we're, you know, terror drill. Don't, do not be alarmed if you see more police and Department of Homeland Security forces on the streets. And we kind of joked about it. What is always the number one thing that happens when we have a drill?

05:58 There's usually a coincidental terror attack. Yeah, the real thing usually takes place so so the Austin underground has been freaking out over the past couple days because the Texas military forces I didn't even know what that was initially, but it is an action and I guess kind of a National Guard unit they sent out a special threat advisory for the Austin area and And this thing what a coinkydink well there's a couple of things going on with this because Well first let me read some of the pieces of it to you and then and then I'll tell you what happened Which is even crazier, so this is from the it's a force protection alert special threat advisory subject possible terrorist threat to venues in Austin, Texas in August

06:49 Your address was listed. And this is Austin people, this is Austin. Alright. Unconfirmed reporting from the Department of Homeland Security has raised the possibility of random terrorist attacks taking place... Wait, wait, wait. Random terrorist attacks taking place in Austin, Texas on or about the 8th or 9th of August. So this is... like they have a date. According to... Maybe that was for the test. Well, but there's something weird about this. Okay. Let me read the rest. According to anonymous reporting, a group of trained terrorists are planning to conduct attacks in Austin, Texas and Pasadena, California at the conclusion of the Ramadan period. Now this has been the narrative for a while. After Ramadan, it's fighting season commenced or whatever bullcrap. Does anyone still believe

07:42 The people, what is this? The terrorist Al-Qaeda hates Austin because of our freedoms? Is that what it is? Really? You gotta come to Austin, Texas? Absolutely. I mean... They're trying to kill you. Okay. The Ramadan period lasts from 9 July to 8 August. According to reporting, the Austin group plans to plant backpack-style bombs. Notice the word bombs. IED has gone away. They've gone back to bombs. I'm seeing this everywhere. The IED thing wasn't sticking. People couldn't remember what it was. uh... backpack style bombs on sixth street that was it east or west six street either on difference makes it does it by the way i think it's because i a d never got the people always thought of as a some sort of a

08:26 ad-lib piece of crap. They've never seen one of these. I mean, these things are nasty because they're made... And the ones in the Middle East, we should remind people, are made from our own minds. Yeah, from our own stuff. That we've placed all over the place and these guys go out... Dig them up, dig them up and use the explosives. Carefully take out the explosive pack and then make a bomb. Okay, so it's 6th Street, either 8th or 9th of August. Additionally, here it comes, the group plans to attack a school theological seminary in the downtown Austin area and complete the attack with operations... This is you reading from the Onion. No no no and complete the attack with operations at the Austin Bergstrom International Airport. Okay hold on it yeah I asked you let me ask you the rhetorical questions yes if you know all these details mm-hmm that means you obviously have a mole

09:19 I mean, the guy, I think it's all bogus by the way, but I'm just saying for rhetorical purposes, if you know all these details and you obviously have a mole in the operation or you're linked in, you're on the phone with these guys you're listening in carefully, which seems unlikely. Or you have a bug in the room. Under any of these circumstances that means you know who these people are. Just go stop them. Check it out, the reporting also stated that if 8th and 9th August was not a viable option then the group would conduct operations on the 29th of August. They had a backup date. So okay, so they're gonna blow up something on Dirty 6.

09:56 And by the way, they didn't. and downtown Austin. Now earlier this week we confirmed that patrol supervisors at the Austin Police Department were briefed on the matter and the reason that we're bringing this up in the first place again is that someone released an official memo that they shouldn't have. Okay so here's the narrative.

10:34 This memo that I'm holding in my hands, well virtually, was released by accident. And that has caused fresh worries. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yes! Maxwell reports. Alright, Robert Maxwell. Now they've turned it into a lifestyle story. It's really fun. But at the same time you begin to think, well who knows? Greg Lane works on 6th Street where his office mates were chattering Thursday about the military's so-called force protection alert memo they saw on social media. Search Austin threat on Twitter for example and several related posts pop up.

11:09 KXAN confirmed the memo is real, meant for certain eyes only. We won't show you details since Texas military forces told us Thursday the memo was sent out last week in error and later rescinded. Okay, so now, so there's a lot going on here. First of all, we won't show you the memo. I have the memo right here. You can download it from a million places. But oh, we can't show you the memo. It was sent in error. So what do you think this is? What do I think it is? Yeah, besides asking me you can't and bull crap I have a thought on it. All right, please it was it was a I think this may have been to set up for a False flag you why are you asking me if you're gonna answer? I'm sorry. I'm sorry I think it's a setup for a false flag and by the way, it pretty much coincides with the six-week cycle This is what I was so afraid of

12:02 It is almost a six-week cycle to the T, which would be today, right? Today would be the 11th. Yeah, today begins the end of the cycle, so something should happen this week. But now we have to start the clock over because if this was a setup for a false flag, because it's bullcrap what you just told me, I mean, they would know everything, they know too much. And so this was the memo that was setting it up, let's say. But once the memo leaked out, they had to kill the process, they had to kill it. So here's the thinking in the Austin alternative media. By the way, this story never got out here. Now please, and even though it does list Pasadena, I don't know why it lists Pasadena. Maybe that's the backup. Maybe it's Pasadena on the 29th, but that's not a six-week cycle. No, they can't do anything now on the 29th. This is scrubbed. Hello, scrub, scrub, scrub. Get rid of it.

12:57 The thinking is that there was a whistleblower inside the system who saw this coming, who was like, oh no you didn't, and then released. But of course, these things get released, that's traceable as to who released this, how this got out. If you really know how to cover your tracks I think you can do it. Now there's a couple things people have to know out there. One of them is all printers have a code on them, so when you print from your Epson or your LaserJet, there is a but this is a digital release, John. There's no... Okay, well there's... Okay. But it's a PDF, so if it was done on an official... PDFs have all kinds of data in them. You have to be careful. You have to do these things over and over on different machines, go to the library, run the PDF... You gotta roll it in the mud, stomp on it a bit. You gotta do stuff. You gotta muddy it up. But, so again, the conversation that we need to have, as the president would say,

13:52 is, um, why? Why? Why Austin? That's so unbelievable. There is no reason for zero credibility. San Antonio is a military target, maybe. But Austin, the only thing I can think of is Austin, you know, it's filled with sensitive gay people. Like myself. They're not going to blow up sensitive gay people. Yes, yes, it works. It works. It's good. Yes, we're a sensitive LGBT blue oasis in the red state. Everyone knows Austin is great but we've never been there. And quite honestly, you know... I don't know, maybe it's to get the liberals back on board.

14:36 Yeah, yeah. Possibly. What are we going to do? These liberals are falling off the boat here. They're all irked about this Snowden thing. What are we going to do? Let's shake them up. Yeah, let's hit them in liberal central. I know, Austin. But because the believability of Al-Qaeda going, hmmm, I mean this is just as believable as Kim Jong-un wanting to bomb Austin. Are you kidding me? It makes no sense. I bet you that was the trigger for the memo. Very possible. Very possible. Well you know if Kim Jong-un thinks Austin is a target, let's make Austin a target.

15:13 So yeah, of course, this is no national news coverage on this, but I think this is pretty big particularly the you know The coincidence of having the drill take place at the exact same moment when apparently law enforcement knew We had a possible terror event taking place. Yeah, we're sitting ducks here. I Well, I think you've dodged a bullet. Whoever the whistleblower was who wisely released that memo into the public domain and then headed for cover, I would hope. Now that guy is a patriot. Or gal. Or gal. Could have been a gal. Could have been a sensitive woman. And that actually does prove what Austin is all about.

15:56 Well, you mentioned Snowden and it made me think of something I want to discuss before I forget about it because I never I did have a clip some weeks ago about this but I just found this very peculiar Have and we've only we talked about it a little bit off off the show And I think that's probably why we haven't brought it up, which was Snowden's girlfriend. Yes Snowden the the stripper girlfriend as Jay Leno calls her. The stripper girlfriend. She's actually a ballerina it appears and Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute She's not she's a ballerina. She's not just let me just get the um ballerina She's a dancer, but is she a ballerina or a pole dancer? Well, I did the one picture over that's on one of the magazines is she's in a tutu and she's got her leg bent all well No, that doesn't mean you're not a stripper and she's always wearing bare feet. So those other things She's not in there in heels ever that I can tell I've seen looked at. Oh, yeah. No, he looks like a spook. Oh

16:50 Right, right. She has that... But have we seen her interviewed anywhere? No, and here's the thing, here's the story that I got off of the local station in Hawaii. So they had this place, a cute little place, the clip's not going to tell you anymore and I'm going to tell you. But it's a cute little corner house with... as soon as this thing broke, the house is immediately up for sale with a for sale sign that the place is vacated. The neighbors say that weeks before the Snowden thing came out, the garage was filled with boxes covering the windows of the garage door. The garage door has those little windows at the top. And the neighbors were wondering what was going on, why all these boxes were in there. And then just like almost overnight, he's gone, she's gone, the boxes are gone, and the house is up for sale.

17:47 And a cute little house, you know, a little ranch style place in Hawaii. And she's apparently gone, she's in California somewhere they believe. Nobody's gotten in touch with her. So you're telling me... By the way, California, when I'm, the first thing I thought was, oh, University of California, she's gonna go. She's gonna go to your neck of the woods there, hang out with Lucy. She's probably right down the street. Interesting. Yeah, I find it for the amount of coverage this... Oh and wait, wait, wait, here's another one. Apparently when after this whole thing broke you'd think there would be a bunch of agents crawling all over the place. No, nobody ever saw anybody.

18:28 For the amount of coverage this story has received, you'd think that there would be at least one journalistic outfit that would be like, hey, I know, hey, let me pitch this story to you. You know, you go into the editor's office, I got a story. Let's go find the ballerina stripper girlfriend. I bet she's got quite a story. This apparently is not happening. There was an interview with her, a couple right after the thing broke and she was just kind of, oh I'm... I don't even remember that. I've only seen like the picture of her and the tutu. Yeah, no, there's an interview with her. She's going, oh now I'm like a ship without a rudder. And that's the end of it. She doesn't say anything. That is when either of us dies. The other is a ship without a rudder.

19:15 Or killed so I just got on the back on the back panel Here's the the reason the terrorists want to kill us according to Kaiser Alexander is that they? That's the they in the sky want to implement Sharia law that is now the threat according to Alexander Kaiser I think he might have They want to implement Sharia law. I think he might that sounds like something he might have done. That canard is getting a little old. Yeah, you think? So I can see from the clip list that and we've got to do some coordination. You know, we both of course watched the President Obama presser. Yeah, I knew you'd watch that but I took some clips just in case. And by the way, we do get slightly different opinions from these clips. We do, but since you did your clips last time

20:11 Yeah, no, you're on. Okay, here we go. I'll just back you up with back right in case in case you in case I missed something but I do think I have a kind of a gem in here that now obviously very similar to the The Jay Leno Tonight Show appearance. This is pretty much bullcrap. I totally right uh... but i think i discovered something and get everything else set up here so i have it the i got my two while clinton and what this is what this is not so much a while clip is you know what adam does best is you go in and read something and find out what the truth is behind the statement okay this is the idea that this is your thing is my thing so let's start off though with just the beginning of the president was a state-run have a seat everybody but i think it what c but sick by the past few weeks uh... i've been talking about what

21:00 I believe should be our number one priority as a country. Building a better bargain for the middle class. We've gone out to the number one priority is a better bargain for the middle class. I didn't know that they were in negotiations. Well, no, I think that it's available at Costco. Is the middle class in negotiations? Yes. And the bargain is available at Costco this week, aisle 13. And for Americans who want to work their way into the middle class. At the same time, I'm focused on my number one responsibility as Commander-in-Chief, and that's keeping the American people safe. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I saw that coming. Well you rang the bell. I'm sorry Mr. President, I have to say one more time, your number one priority is not to protect the American people, it is to uphold, defend, and protect the Constitution. That is the oath that you took. At no point did you say I, Barack Hussein Obama, swear to protect the American people. By the

21:58 way you learn this from your idol George W Bush who of course learned it from his predecessor which was George W Clinton and George H Bush before you. This is the biggest lie in American presidential politics. Okay, so there's a whole bunch of stuff going on I just pulled a couple of a couple of quotes that really irritate me while we're on the Constitution Of course the president talked about a number of things the main focus was about him explaining which which kind of justifies the whole Snowden I Deal by the way that the president now has to come out and say well Let me explain and we're gonna we're gonna maybe change a few things make it a little clearer So, you know, obviously

22:41 you know whoever was behind the release of the documents this is justification because here's the president actually explaining himself but there's some some words he uses that just irritate me and they will provide an interim report in sixty days and a final report by the end of this year this is the transparency uh... report that's going to be provided so we can move forward with a better understanding of how these programs impact our security our privacy and our foreign policy okay So all these steps are designed to ensure that the American people can trust that our efforts are in line with our interests and our values. Our values? I'm looking for another word.

23:21 and to others around the world, I want to make clear once again that America is not interested in spying on ordinary people. Our intelligence is focused above all on finding the information that's necessary to protect our people and in many cases protect our allies. So the word he's not using is constitution and we've heard this from him before, he's replacing the word constitution with our values It's not the same thing. And it's, quite frankly, for a constitutional law professor to speak this way is quite offensive. But have no worry! Because the fix is clear. And the way he even says what he's going to do, he's so excited about it. Number three, we can and must be more transparent. So I've directed the intelligence community to make public as much information about these programs as possible.

24:19 We've already declassified unprecedented information. Now he's as bad as the guy that called in on that question and answer show. Unprecedented. The script is bad at this point. About the NSA. But we can go further. So in my direction, the Department of Justice will make public the legal rationale for the government's collection activities under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. Wait for it. The NSA is taking steps to put in place a full-time civil liberties and privacy officer. Wait for it. And released information that details its mission, authorities, and oversight. We're getting excited. And finally, the intelligence community is creating a website that will serve as a hub for further transparency. A website!

25:04 That'll do it. That's what we wanted. A website. Will it have an RSS feed? By the way, there has always been a full-time civil liberties privacy officer that should have been. Obama has, as a position, Obama has not filled for almost two years. No. But now he's like, he's doing it. Now it's like he's new. He's invented it. He's created it, yes. So here, I got two more clips and of course then I'm going to hammer it home. So again, the words really matter. and the words in this sentence I'm just flabbergasted. And we've tried to set up a system that is as fail-safe as so far at least we've been able to think of to make sure that these programs are not abused. Okay. But people may have better ideas. Okay. What could those better ideas... What does a better... and this is the most powerful man in the world, the leader of the free world

26:02 And when it comes to really doing the best that you can do, the verb is... And people may want to jigger slightly. Okay. We may want to jigger slightly. I always laughed when I heard that. Jiggers. You gotta jigger. It's like the toilet. Hey, what's wrong with the toilet? Jigger the handle. Jigger the handle. But what are we actually jiggering? Jigger slightly. Sort of the balance between the information that we can get versus

26:40 the incremental encroachments on privacy that haven't already take place. Okay, hold on a second. So we can jigger the information we can get, the balance between the information we can get and the increasing encroachments. It used to be moderate. Now it's increasing encroachments upon your privacy. He is saying it. Yeah. He is just saying it. I got some similar clips where he's just Doesn't know it, but he's saying it. He's telling us the truth. So he now now this actually came up on the Leno show and And it took some help from a couple of our producers actually for me to go in and look at the presidential policy directive But here's the lie So the fact is is that? Mr.. Stone's been charged with and now this is the question is he a patriot is he a traitor is he a full running back three felons

27:42 If, in fact, he believes that what he did was right, then, like every American citizen, he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer and make his case. If the concern was that somehow this was the only way to get this information out to the public, I signed an executive order Well before Mr. Snowden leaked this information. Okay, so that is... I know where this is headed. Okay, so let's read a little bit from the... and by the way it was not an executive order. So that is lie number one. This was a presidential policy directive, which is not exactly the same as... No, it's not at all. It's nothing like it. And no one calls the president out on this. So this is the presidential... And by the way, he said this more than a few times. Yes. So this is the... Unless I'm missing an executive order, he is referring to the presidential policy directive PPD-19, subject protecting whistleblowers with access to classified information.

28:45 I'll just read you the preamble this presidential policy directive ensures that employees one serving in the intelligence community or two who are eligible for access to classified information as you John can effectively report waste fraud and abuse while protecting classified national security information it prohibits retaliation against employees for reporting waste fraud and abuse Okay, so he is saying he's saying I signed this before Snowden did anything. So this is boy He had a way to go Well, Mr. President, you signed this presidential policy directive as is published in the Federal Register on October 10th, 2012. However, if any members of the press corps who are sitting there waiting for their name to be called with their prepared question had taken the time to read the document, you would see that it states the following. Within 270 days of the date of this directive,

29:37 That would be October 10, 2012. The head of each intelligence community element shall certify to the Director of National Intelligence, DNI, that the personnel policies that apply to that element provide a process for employees to seek a review of personnel actions they allege to be in violation of this directive and that the review process is consistent with the requirements of this directive. If you take October 10th, 2012 to the date when the policies needed to be in place, namely 270 days, that would be July 7th, 2013. Several months after Snowden went to Laura Poitras and the shills of that little club who published the information. To make it worse,

30:22 Within 365 days of the date of this directive, the DNI shall, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, and the heads of agencies containing intelligence community elements, issue policies and procedures for ensuring that all employees serving in the intelligence community elements are aware of the protections and review processes available to individuals who make protected disclosures. That isn't even due until October 10th, 2013. So while yes, you signed the document, Mr. President, these policies were not in place, not published, and not even marketed to the intelligence community. That would have been clip of the day. But it wasn't a clip. We should just make you clip of the day for today. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, thank you. But it's just nutty. Nutty. Thank you, Scott Brandy, by the way. Producer Scott. It's crazy that he can say this stuff and no, look, I don't expect Jay Leno to do it.

31:23 But when you've got... No, Jay Leno's reading from a script. Yeah, but when the entire press corps is sitting there and again he's just saying, hey I signed an executive order, no presidential policy directive, and it doesn't take effect, I mean the actual knowledge of this, so Snowden could not have actually known of it officially until 365 days after the order because that's when it's supposed to be in place. Yeah, well there you have it. That summarizes the no agenda show. What does it take to do this? I clicked on a link. What did it take you? Once your nose started sniffing around, what did this take you? 40 minutes? 14. 14.

32:11 Hey, are you hanging out at the Washington Press Club lifting a few with the boys and chatting it up? I'm not getting my dick sucked or anything. That's the problem. That's the problem with these Washington guys. At least not in the press club. They're sucking each other apparently. It is so... So John and I rarely speak offline. But we did have a little back and forth and I can't remember what it was, a quick email. I said, boy, I can't wait until the next Obama bot dinner here that because we're hosting at this time, you know, sorry, this is our dinner party, and it's going to be the 30th. I said, I can't wait, you know, because it's so funny to see people freaking out, you know, real liberal, on board Democrat, you know, Obama bots going to, you know, the brain is scrambled.

33:03 you get to the beginning of the show that sound that's a good sound you should clip it let me write it down, hold on a second, 34 minutes that's the beginning of the show but you could just see somebody having their brains scrambled that would be the noise they made but the conversation was how you know I think was actually more about the I think we kind of agree that now that everyone's brain is scrambled particularly in Austin that you know it all be about the russian gay laws you know they're going to be all preoccupied with this we just have to focus on something anything but talking about this obama thing the police state and then we see you know so what it is you know these are cold war tactics and and here's the here's the crux of the conversation i said how do these guys actually think

33:51 that they can, you know, use the same tired policies of Cold War propaganda in the Internet age and John's response appropriately was, I think we can make the argument that it's the best time to use Cold War propaganda in the Internet age because you can propagate this crap all over the place and people will just, what? By the time it bubbles up to your Facebook news feed, it's true. Mimi said that she decided to go like a week without reading any news or listening to any reports and only go by the news she received on Facebook. This is a brave woman by the way. Is she still there? Yeah, she's still here. The brave woman. How did it work out? She said it was she almost lost her mind.

34:37 It's all it's like hoaxes and bullcrap and people don't know what they're talking about and people getting all willy-nilly over the craziest things and and freaking out and holding their you know you can imagine people with their both their hands at the side of their cheeks with their mouth open and screaming like Macaulay Culkin you mean yeah the Macaulay Culkin look and all that it's just it's insanity What did she learn though? How did she... Nothing! She learned not to do that again. This is a very interesting experiment. People should try it. In fact, I will be the first to say, do not listen to the No Agenda show for a week. Only go by your Facebook and your Twitter feed and then come back to us and see how it worked out. I think... They'll probably forget about it.

35:27 I think we are, I feel strong enough to tell people that you should absolutely try to go without the show. That's a good idea. Some people have done that and then they come back and then they're very happy to at least get some, some, grasp of reality but there's against the blatant ridiculous lying that's going on by this administration and the press and the press and the press yeah and thank you it's not just this administration this is the previous one and probably the end the one before that the Clinton administration I think sure I did not have sex with that woman you have that clip that's one of my favorites all of this you know

36:09 every analysis I read of this goes back to the, you know, like the big, so I'm almost done with This Town, which is the outstanding book about Washington. There's a reason why you're not hearing about this book, because it is, I mean, it's so unbelievable what goes, how, It's just like Hollywood, you know, and by the way, the book actually says that, you know, this Washington is or politics is show business for ugly people. But that is, you know, a really old and tired saying and blah, blah, whatever. And the guy admits up front that he's elitist and, you know, and he's in this trap himself. But no one can talk about this book because it is so bizarre.

36:50 So bizarre the parties and the power and particularly the money but everyone relates this money back to the Clintons when the Clintons came in that's when it just went off the wall and of course the Obamas came in and You know, there's this short period where they were better than their holier-than-thou There'll be no lobbyist and what happened is everyone became what is known as an unregistered lobbyist ie a consultant so now we have the you know, the The idea of putting transparency into Washington has resulted in less transparency because now people just, I'm not a lobbyist, I'm a consultant, yo. It's just everybody's consulting for somebody on something and left or right and it's like $4 billion a year goes to lobbying. $4 billion. We're moving to DC. This is money central.

37:44 It's mind-boggling to me and how the press because it really this whole book revolves around Tim Russert after he dies and it's the funeral and everything and how that you know how that turns into a lobbying moment. Yeah, I love that. But even Tim Russert, you know, it's all a big club and as George Carlin would say we're not in it, not even near to it. Anyway, so just a couple of things that came out so the NSA also came out with this document Which is kind of reminds me by the way just for cuz I just had this thought it reminds me of kind of that Palm Beach set

38:21 Or is it East Palm Beach? You know that little enclave in Florida with all these rich people? Oh, is it Palm Beach? Yeah, it's Palm Beach, Florida. East Palm Beach or West Palm Beach or one of those. It's very specific. It's an enclave of mansions and there's lots of them. There's a hundred or more or more, maybe a thousand. And these people go and it's an inbred bunch of you know, put the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie parties and everybody shows off, the debutante balls and it becomes its own thing to the point where you read about it and there's the most famous people in this and they're all, everyone falls, you know, they have to kiss their butts. You never heard of any of them because it is bull crap. It's just a little, it's a bubble within a bubble. It's just weird.

39:14 Anyway, it just reminds me I think the Washington DC party scene has got to be very similar. Yeah, I was thinking I'm actually just scrolling through my Through my Kindle for a second. You know what? Um, maybe on Thursday show. I'll read a passage or two From the book. Yeah, find a couple spots. Yes. It's really it's really quite worth it. It's just you know It's you know, or better yet. Go out and read the book. I mean, it's a good book. I'll just say one thing before you move on Because the NSA of course also came out. This is all timed perfectly with the NSA story

39:52 In which and and this has been debunked all over the web and that's this is its purpose is to have you know Salon and daily Kos and you know that zero hedge everybody has to go and pick this thing apart But you know you you're you're you're spinning your wheels. It's like throw some throw some cheese into the hamster wheel you know I'm gonna run some more so the only thing I'd like to say about it is that the the NSA is And this is just a little bit of a math trick that they're doing. They're saying, we only monitor 1.6% of all internet traffic, which is meant to make you believe that it's a very small percentage. But internet traffic, you can read the amount of emails you could read to equal the same amount of quote unquote traffic as to downloading one No Agenda show is of course staggering.

40:48 you know it could be six months of email is one no agenda show so for them to say oh it's only 1.6 percent of all internet traffic well yes if you ignore if you ignore Netflix you know which is I think isn't Netflix you know the it's just a number of people throw out there but if you combine Netflix with illegal mp3 downloading There's 95% of all your traffic right there. I don't even think it's mp3 download. I think it's Netflix and the same movies on torrent. It's basically... Yeah, well whatever, just downloading. 90% of the internet is essentially the movie industry. So, which reminds me... Oh, wait a minute. Hey man, BitTorrents can be used to distribute Linux.

41:34 Which reminds me of this I got a little pet peeve I'll throw in I love I just love saying that so you remember the Era where you had a blog and then so you link to somebody else's picture and then post it on your blog Yeah, which is very common if people used to complain They don't complain about it much anymore because nobody cares cuz all your bandwidth is pretty hey man. You're stealing my bandwidth You're stealing my bandwidth Swap out a picture put a goatee picture some something obscene. I'm sorry. I'm sorry John. We forgot porn. Oh, yeah porn It doesn't count for a lot of all right there. We go well. They're probably catching that too. They you know they get the board That's probably what they're doing. That's probably That's the 1.5 Can you believe she can bend that way she's squirting oh

42:26 So anyway, excuse me. So let me get it. So anyway, so I'm, I'm, I, I, one of my machines now when I, I, I, shut it down every night and this harkens back to years ago when I was at Mevio and I had this Macintosh and I'd always shut it down and you'd always be bitching about the Mac crash. I said, my machine never crashes. Right. You say, yes, because you shut it down all the time. So I started shutting down my machine because I noticed I'd go into sleep mode and I'd wake up in the morning to wake the machine up and there was a blue screen of death across the machine. How does this even happen?

43:02 So I shut the machine down every night. So then when I boot it, I let it, I go, I boot it and then I go downstairs and eat something and then I come back and then I open up, I do a control alt delete and then I start pulling off, I go to the Windows task manager and I pull off bull crap processes one by one. Like iTunes launcher. Yes. And iTunes monitor and Apple something or other and all these other crazy things. So I pull these things out like crazy. And so I ended up with like about 12 or 13 things working. It's all is working. And then I was thinking to myself and when I'm pulling them off, I'll see something like the Microsoft Sync protocol or something. And it's pounding the system. That's for your Palm Pilot.

43:45 So, or there was Zune, there's a Zune thing that shows up. So I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute, this has been going on forever. So I download somebody's crap, or don't download, I link to somebody's crappy photo on their blog which shows up basically nothing. And in the background on that same machine that the guy is griping about stealing bandwidth, Microsoft and all these operations are just sucking them dry and they don't bitch about that. There's this, I got it from the Mac, it's called Little Snitch. Have you heard of this? No, no I have not. I'm sure there's a Windows equivalent. Little Snitch is this program that sits there and just tells you what is communicating to where. Oh my god! The Chrome especially.

44:34 Oh yeah, Chrome is horrible. And all these things, and you're just blown away by the, and you're like, oh yeah I remember installing that, what? It's doing that? And there is so much stuff, and you almost can't believe that computers ran without the internet these days. There's so much going on. So much. Yeah, well anyway it's annoying. Yeah. And anyway so it harkens back to these guys, hey you're stealing my bandwidth, it's illegal. You know, meanwhile their bandwidth is shot because of all this crap. I'm gonna sue you. Yeah, you get it where once in a while somebody thinks that's a good idea. So I got a couple of Obama reveals.

45:13 And you can listen to these two these clips is from the same press conference. I X'd out the ones that you already rolled It's okay. I'm Obama should you be concerned the Wow clip and this is like, okay Let's listen to Obama actually telling us the truth. I just say something I had the clip but I left it for you Thank you. And those abuses would be against the law and would be against the orders of the Fisk having said that though If you are outside of the intelligence community, if you are the ordinary person and you start seeing a bunch of headlines saying, US, big brother, looking down on you, collecting telephone records, etc. Well, understandably people would be concerned. I would be too if I wasn't

46:07 inside the government. Where I'm saying... What is he saying? He's saying he, the president, knowing what he knows would also be concerned. Unless he wasn't president. Yeah. Thank you for telling us that. You know, I'm actually going to put that in our evergreens. I think it's an evergreen worthy. Because it's one of those things that goes along with this one from Thursday We're gonna live our lives and the odds of people dying in a terrorist attack obviously are still a lot lower than you know car accident unfortunately But unless you're in Austin now part two of this he does it again This is the Obama the first the part two we can do it better this area and so in light of

46:54 the changed environment where a whole set of questions have been raised, some in the most sensationalized manner possible, where these leaks are released drip by drip, you know, one a week to kind of maximize attention, see if, you know, they can catch us at some imprecision on something. In light of that, it makes sense for us to go ahead, lay out what exactly we're doing, have a discussion with Congress, have a discussion with industry, which is also impacted by this, have a discussion with the civil libertarians and see, can we do this better?

47:45 We're not doing it better. Which is kind of links to that clip that you had. Yes, yes. Where he says, you know, we're getting, we're doing more of this. Can we do this better? Because obviously we're not doing it good enough. We're not spying well enough. And you know, and I have a new heading in the show notes called fascism. I thought I would just, I tried to come up with something cute and like, no, let's just call it fascism. And on this, what is it? August 7th, Tim Cook. Vince Cerf, you know, a couple of guys from Microsoft, everyone, TechNet, TechAmerica, they all went and had a private meeting with the president, you know, about how they can do it better. I denounce. Go up and buy. I denounce Apple. Go up and buy anything. And by the way, there's plenty of reason. Do you see, so I think there's even a topic on Twitter. It should come up again today. I don't know if you're on the show or not, but. No.

48:46 So, there was this thing where it was the administration overturned an import ban regulation because of the Apple Samsung lawsuit. And by the way, I read through the documentation, which is very disappointing of a technology show that no one actually done that. And if you read the the description of the laws under which those import restrictions were posted, you know, it is actually good for American business to, you know, there's, you know, for certain types of patents and, you know, for broad patents that everyone needs, it's correct for the administration or the president to say, hey, we veto this, you guys still have to work it out, money still has to be paid, you know, but you have to be able to continue production. But now,

49:32 the tables are turned and the administration and the United States are actually banning Samsung products from coming in. And so to then have Tim Cook show up and do a little private thing with the president is fascistic. And it's becoming obvious. We got a note from some guy saying, yes it's not fascism and he went on and on with some sort of I don't know half big right-wing theory he picked up. According to my researcher I have a private researcher on the side who says he just got this from the National Review. I feel scorned. You have a private researcher on the side? You're cheating on me. So anyway, the difference between the communists... So the communists were exactly the same. The communists nationalized everything. There was no private companies in the Stalin era. They were all Russian companies. Everything was owned by the Russians.

50:25 the in the Nazi fascist era they were all the corporations were still private companies but they were co-opted completely and they were doing they were working with the government that's really the key And that is really what we've learned about this and then you get douchebags like Jeff Jarvis who then goes in the Guardian and he had and did you read this piece that he wrote in the Guardian? No. Oh I'll link to it in the show notes you have to read this so he goes off in this whole tangent over here it's that we need big tech to protect us from Big Brother and of And of course, we all know Jeff Jarvis, not only does he own Google stock, but I think he's in bed. He wrote a book on Google too. Yeah. It's called What Would Google Do? Right. And he's talking about how actually it's being made impossible. Poor Google! They can't do anything because the government doesn't make them do it. And he ends this article with... There's another one. Use that one instead. I'm going to write that down. That's 5258. Hold on.

51:29 But that's exactly what it reads like. And he ends his piece, in the end, it's neither technologies nor institutions that will secure us from the inexorable inexorable, inexorable, inexorable, inexorable overreach of government curiosity in the face of technical capability. Responsibility for oversight and correction begins with the individuals, whether whistleblowers or renegade politicians or employees of conscience who finally remind those in power, don't be evil. Really Jarvis, you dick. You're gonna pull out the goo, I mean you're even reusing the Google slogans.

52:11 Jeff Jarvis is and fix your teeth. He's a full professor now. He's not and hurt him He says he denounced it on Twitter. He's a full professor. Did he get an honorary thing or did he study? Oh, no, he's been a professor, but he's always been a lecturer assistant. I thought he Professor when you get full professor, you're done your tenant you got tenure you get the you get the fuck the co-eds without getting Can I still go to school? Yeah And you're guaranteed a gig for life essentially aren't you? Yeah, yeah pretty much. It's the closest thing we have to communism So anyway, okay well enough of that. Here's another one. This is yeah, please this is Obama's his comment Which I think leads right to the holder clip which I put on here again last time we played it was on 7-eleven It's like about once today's what what's the date 8-11?

53:09 Well every month it looks like it comes up in the conversation. Yeah, this is holder. You know saying oh, you know So anyway, so play the Obama fallback comment leading to holder clip Oh, you've you've you've actually written a little cue list for me. I appreciate it I think the main thing I want to emphasize do you want us all to go straight into it, right? Yeah, I mean this is just his saying. No, no, no, I mean I'm going from this straight into Holder. Yeah, you can go right to Holder if you want, but this is him saying, uh, we're not interested in spying on anybody. Is I don't have an interest and the people of the NSA don't have an interest in doing anything other than making sure that

53:58 where we can prevent a terrorist attack, where we can get information ahead of time that we're able to carry out that critical task. I just want to ask, could you assure us that no phones inside the Capitol were monitored? Members of Congress that would give a future executive branch if they started pulling this kind of thing off would give them unique leverage over the legislature. With all due respect, Senator, I don't think this is an appropriate setting for me to discuss that issue. I'd be more than glad to come back in an appropriate setting to discuss the issues that you have raised. I'm putting the holder in the Evergreens as well. That's another one of those things we just... I love that holder clip. There was one thing that I saw on MSNBC.

54:52 And I'm one of the few still watching the channel. In fact, I am 1.6% of the viewing audience. And this is Professor James Peterson, a black professor. And I'm happy that he said this, and it really gave me pause for a moment. Like, yeah, we should talk more about this on the show because we're really overplaying this because, of course, we are to some degree elitist. It does seem that way. I mean, I don't know if the best way of making this case is comparing us to governments that are more totalitarian in how they execute their powers. But I have a really different take on this entire sort of NSA thing. I really find it to be quite a privileged

55:39 discussion. And it's not that I'm not interested in transparency in terms of how our government surveils its people, how our government prosecutes the war on terror. I do think those things are important. I think this conversation is important. But I just believe that we needed to have had this conversation a long time ago. And I believe that poor people and people of color are under a different type of surveillance in this country. When you think about things like stop and frisk and a relationship or the interface between policing forces and the communities of color and poor folk, there's a tremendous amount of physical surveillance that goes on in our nation every day. And so I would love to be able to transmit some of this energy around the NSA and around transparency with the government in terms of how it prosecutes the war on terror, to think more critically about how poor folk and people of color are under constant physical surveillance in this nation that we live in. And we forget to talk about this.

56:28 Absolutely. And there's actually, there was a C-SPAN ditty that's about an hour and I'm gonna pull clips for it for Thursday's show. It's a guy who wrote a book called The Rise of the Warrior Cop, the Militarization of America's Police Forces. And it's mind-boggling because while we're still going, woo, pussy commentators, you can't have that, you can't have that. Meanwhile, there's really no difference. The cops have become the military. Well, and you know, the reason for this of course is because they've been handed cash by the feds. That's exactly what, that's exactly his point. Yeah, not just cash, but here have a tank.

57:08 Yeah, have a tank, set up a SWAT team. Oh, you got a little cute little town in the middle of Kansas. SWAT team. I think you need a SWAT team. And so this is the clips I'll pull. This guy goes into the logistics of the SWAT team and how doing SWAT raids is actually a revenue generator. For these blue local police forces, so that's a little teaser We're a little bit ahead of the game that I'll have some of that for Thursday And that's part of the work we do here on the no agenda show so I will say in the morning to you John C. DeVore Let's get ready to rumble Adam Curry hello, you know that guy sues people who say it says that say that really yeah He's copyrighted. Let's get ready to rumble. Oh oh

57:54 uh... yet on that out some years back anyway uh... after the morning you and create the morning all ships and sea boots the ground feet in the water subs in the air and all the nights and games out there as and in the morning to our two shot room no jenna stream dot com origin a chat dot net who've been very funny today very very funny good jeff jarvis material in the chat room but this morning we should leave it at that and uh... in the morning to all of our artists uh... it's uh... very very challenging for for artists to contribute to the show because we choose the art pretty much at right after the live show ends and You know, so people make assumptions about what they think we're gonna talk about which is pretty much always wrong Almost always wrong and then the stuff that they put together. It's hard to do, you know And then of course, we're always looking for original art and I think was Martin JJ two episodes in a row He did the art for four five three seven and I believe also five three six

58:49 But he was just nailing it, so thank you very much. You know, we talked about this before, but I'll mention it again to other people who want to try to get art on the show. Martin, we went back, I always thought Martin J.J. was a newcomer, showed up out of the blue. But we went back and he was a guy that was one of these tried and tried and tried and never was hitting the... He wasn't running on all cylinders and then one day... This is typical of doing anything. You get in the groove and the next thing you know you're pounding it. It's just really interesting. So I don't want people to give up. No, never give up. Potential. And we discuss this and we go, this is almost good. We actually sit there and go, oh geez, Martin JJ again. Actually we have done that. That's when he was streaking, he had like four in a row. It's like, we've got to give someone else a chance.

59:37 And then he retired, remember, for a couple of shows. He says, I'm going to let others win. I'm going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro next, and then I will return to do more art. We do have some executive producers to thank. Nice. In fact, we got a number of them, including Sir Duane Melanson from Tigard, Oregon. Tigard, as I like to call it, who is now decided to become a... he's... he's... ITN... he's... $588.88 $500 for the great interview show and a belated $88.88 for John and Meetsy. Also, since the peerage committee has been silent on this matter, I have requested that I be named the Duke of Mystery.

1:00:26 And then he has an email that we can discuss later. I looked for the email, I couldn't find it so I'm not quite sure what's going on. It was just a discussion of why he decided to become the Duke of Mystery because he was running Oregon. and I figured that... Now the bigger overarching issue is we, you know, someone made a peerage map but it's not really accurate and there's even some misspellings and is this something that Eric will eventually be putting on Noah's Generation? I mean once he's... I don't know, I have no idea. I know we'll have to discuss this in the meeting. Okay. Now here's a real interesting anomaly.

1:01:05 David Foley came in with 538.33 and he now wants to become the Black Baron of Silicon Valley. Or he is already the Black Baron. In close find my membership for 538 long with 33 cents you can stock up on mac and cheese. in case we get shuttered. I believe this now elevates me to the title of Earl of Silicon Valley. Thanks for providing value for value with the best podcast in the universe. Toss a little of that wonderful no agenda karma my way. All right, let me do that first and we can discuss. Here it comes. You've got karma. Nice. Okay, here's what's weird. I mean, one of the things that when you're online or you're doing anything that is

1:01:53 that involves the internet or you have big massive amounts of numbers or you have a bunch of things going on. Foley's 538-33 came in about one minute after Kobe Hung's 538. Now this is one of the rare moments where we do not, we have the 538 club Usually one guy comes in with the become a sole member of the club we have two but the weird thing was and from Hong Kong Kobe hung it was you I saw it on the on the on the PayPal thing I said holy crap first of all it sounds like a Korean Airlines pilot Kobe Kobe young

1:02:39 Let me read his note. Heil John and Adam, I'm a huge douchebag for not donating more frequently. Sorry to hear that Adam had some crappy experience with the Chinese tourists in the EU. I don't want to call them out as one colossal douchebag. I don't think that representative of the no agenda Chiners, there's a difference. He says he wants to come out as douchebags for giving the rest of the Chiners, he uses the term, not me, the Chiners a bad name. One day it'll just be a thing and, hey, hey Kobe Hung, I hear from Kobe Hung that American Yankee call us Chinas.

1:03:18 Yeah, Chiners. Please give me some surprise karma. Propagate the formula. Kobe from Hong Kong. P.S. Here's a little accounting. I've donated. Shows 441 and he's got the numbers and he needs to be knighted. So hopefully he's on the... Is he on the knight list? Let me check while I give him his some surprise karma. Here we go. Hey! You've got karma. I believe he is. Let me just double check. Knights titles. Hey, yes. Kobe hung. Yeah, he's a good one. Sir Hung. Sir Hung. Nice. Excellent. So we got the note from Melancon Sir you were wondering about the Obama Leno clip in which POTUS changed from you can retire even if you don't get rich to even if you aren't rich as you recall right Remember in the election campaign he was trying to vilify people who are rich not those who may become rich This was at the core of the 1% bullcrap. I think somewhere in his brain He recognized that what he was

1:04:17 said might come across as slamming the people who are trying to get rich, which is a boatload of the voting public, not just the elites. Of course, I also agree with you, Terry, that the subconscious will tell the truth. Let it leak out. I think he's trying to send the message that try all you want you ain't getting rich No, I'm gonna retire if you well hold on a second because now I I didn't clip it But I have his little YouTube show but and of course I watched it, but there was nothing clippable but now there's something that I remembered and this is how my brain works, you know, like I Hold on a second, didn't I hear something about that, you know, 13 hours ago in this particular clip? Listen to this. For the past few weeks, I've been visiting folks across America. By the way, he didn't start off with Heil this time. He went straight into it.

1:05:02 Like for the past few weeks no Heil everybody no nothing so that's weird that that's actually got my attention That's what got my attention talk about what we need to do as a country to say by the way The White House audio was always off-center. It's always heavy to the right never to the left which says something by itself perhaps I don't know if there's from his perspective is heavy to the left. Yeah, no I get the joke, but it's not a better bargain for the middle class I've been laying out my ideas for how we can build on the cornerstones of what it means to be middle class in America. A good job, a good education, affordable health care when you get sick, a secure retirement even if you're not rich. There you go. Even if you're not rich. What does that mean? A secure retirement even if you're not rich?

1:05:48 Well, I think he might, I mean, I think Melancon may be on to something here. Definitely. But you see how that works? Yeah. He says something. I'm like, wait a minute. I heard the president. And I remember like, that's weird. You can't get rich. I think you might be right. Yeah. Which is essentially that message was You're not getting rich, kid. We closed the door. Here's the bargain. And by the way, the only way to get out of that closed door, I might add just as an aside, wealth tax. Yeah, that's your thing. Just keep saying it. I'm saying it. I'm keeping it a running. Keep it going. Anyway, let me do one quick search here, see if Bemro has sent us a note. While you're doing that, just a quick note to Eric the Shill. We have the chocolates for your wife.

1:06:34 But I'm a little worried about sending them off with like UPS or FedEx from Texas where it's 100 degrees. Oh yes, please. Once in a while I have... What am I going to do? And by the way... You just get a gob of goo. Let me ask you a question. So Eric says, hey, you know, while you're over there can you bring back some high-end chocolates for my wife? And I of course I'd do this, but I'm like, this is a trick. This is just to see if I'll do something for him, isn't it? I probably want some... she likes Belgian chocolate. No, but I mean you can get high-end chocolate anywhere. Yeah, you can get high-end chocolate. Or they can go over to Victoria and get some pretty good stuff. Yeah, I mean this is not about me bringing it back from Europe. It's about me making the monkey boy jump.

1:07:23 You'll send me a note, I didn't mean that. You're starting trouble. I'm trying. If I were you I would just say no, I can't do it. I did it. You did? You bought him some chocolates? Yeah, you only have to say this to Mickey once. Mickey is, she's got this knack. Well you can't ship that stuff until when? Winter. October? January. It's not, once it goes into the post office there, it's just a gob of goo. My wife is so awesome. I say, you know, Eric's like something and she'll have this in her brain. And she was like, we cannot leave the country. We have to buy chocolate for Eric's wife. She's a hostess type. She's very good. She probably puts on a great little dinner for those Obama bots. Oh, dude, you have no idea. And yes, I mean, I'm cooking, of course, and you know that it's going to be your recipes.

1:08:17 Yeah, let's go with something good. Yeah. All right. Here we go. This is from Ben Rose. He sent us a note actually on the 24th. And he gave us 333.33 in this check, which came in through the banks, through the bank system. This whole NSA spying thing broke. Everybody in the office except for me were completely shocked that our own government could do such a thing. What? How could members of our own government sworn to protect the Constitution go behind our backs and do such a thing? My boss was with whom I've discussed no agenda several times, summed it up best when he said, you know, the worst thing about the NSA spying is that they're proving Adam Curry's right. That's not a sign, it's a sign to donate. I don't know what is if that's not a sign.

1:08:58 Well, here's the thing. The big PayPal meltdown from last month got me thinking to myself, self, if you donate $3.33 to the No Agenda show, how much do they actually get? Well, I thought back, all of it. If I have anything to say about it, so F PayPal. I sent a check. I don't know when it's going to get there, but it'll get there. So as the coroner, by the way, we got here a month later. I don't know how that happened. So as the coroner concluded after the bear attacks in Eastern Europe, The check, C-H-E-C-H, is in the mail. Ho ho ho ho ho. Alright, so that's Sir Ryan Ben-Ryan. Thank you, Sir Ryan. Now we got two, three executive, associate executive producers, David Roberts in Norristown, Pennsylvania, who may have a note too. Sir Todd Brink in New Berlin, Wisconsin.

1:09:50 Thanks for the great shows. They actually want you to read that while I look up old Roberts. Okay, one second. Thanks for the great shows. Lately for some reason my title forgotten when I donate. Yeah, no, you have to you have to keep telling us we're rejiggering our system. Which is the same thing we do with our Constitution these days. You rejigger it. So Sir Todd Brink, Knight Macaroni et Fromage. Macaroni et Fromage. Can I have a Macaroni and Cheese by Ayn Rand bump, please? Why yes, bend over. Mac and Cheese by Ayn Rand. There you go. Oh, it's the same guy. What do you mean? Those two clips, that was the same voice. Hello?

1:10:37 Was that on the voice that was on the clip? Yeah, you didn't know my name all right David Robertson Norristown did send a note because he wants a little action happy to be sending another donation although I still owe you more value for value Request the mac and cheese karma LG why okay, but then we have to do the other one To spice it up a little bit Few slaves can get used to mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheese, cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese. I saw in Us Magazine, which Miss Mickey brought back from the HEB, which she calls, you know, porn. The first lady was in there and she had a cauliflower mac and cheese recipe.

1:11:30 Oh. And it was right, it hurt right there. It was standing in the garden, the White House garden with her hands cupped and in her hands veggies. Veggies in her hands. And it was the first lady official cauliflower mac and cheese. Yum yum, gimme some. Jason Seash, I believe. $200 from Portage, Michigan. And I'm sure it's pronounced portage. I think portage is the new way to say it. Should be portage, but it's pronounced portage. And isn't portage something nasty in French?

1:12:08 Depends on if you're on your head or not. I'm gonna... Hello Jeb and Alan, I've been a listener for a while now and I hope this donation shows my appreciation for the show. It's been truly the best way for me to get the news. For the past several months I've been working on a side project that I'd like to ask for some website karma for. It's an online version of the Red Book for the common folks. Please check it out at http rdbk.net The central question is, and I want everyone of the listeners to hear this, help me by going out to the site and creating some predictions because hopefully someday it will help me in my grand quest for just getting by. Again, thanks for the show. And that will conclude our... And I'm looking at it right now. This is, it's interesting because there are predictions in here that we have not made.

1:12:53 No, it's just he says it for the you our listeners to make their own predictions. All right, so let me just give you What the it's okay. I'm sorry. I'm not happy with this site because here are the predictions one Alex Rodriguez will take a deal to Get it gets better to under the dome will get cancelled three Facebook will lose 5% of its users in 2014. I mean really Cares about Alex Rodriguez. I mean the whole front page is almost not I mean I don't want to harsh on distraction of the weak stuff Yeah, yeah form what what he needs to do is he needs to you know Like you know no agenda eyes this this thing yeah Yeah, you could do it by by not you know invalidating those predictions as being lame or whatever I'm yeah, we should have something your iOS 7 will be a flop you know this isn't No, no

1:13:56 Anyway, I do like the idea. iOS 7 will communicate directly with the NSA. So portage translates to portage. But what does it mean? I don't know. You have to look it up in a French dictionary. Anyway, so I forgot what it means. I used to be able to speak a little French. No, no, but it translates to portage in English. Yeah, I think it means moving something. Doesn't it? Port de Brut, port from you know, I'm looking it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the carrying of a boat or its cargo between two navigable waters. Yeah, that's it. Portage. So it's like a canal.

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1:15:34 Something you could do for us is go out and propagate our formula our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth Did I mention that Mickey's trying to kill me oh, yeah, you've told me a couple of times. I think by poison No, no, she's no. She's given up on the oyster. Oh Yeah, it's something about the poisoners. No no no no no no no she's she's come up with a way to kill me and

1:16:13 And I don't know if you're familiar with this concept, it's called spinning. Before you do that, before you say that, I just want to make one, say one little thing here. Do you know how hard it is for Melancon to get to a dukedom? That's astonishing. Getting to Duke on this show is very difficult. No, it's very hard. Anyway, he's been around for a while and he's been supporting the show, so eventually you're there. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And I used the word! Are you familiar with this thing called spinning? That's where you spin your partner until they pass out and then you choke them to death. No. Is that what she's doing? No, no, no. So you get this... so she comes home, she has this new clothes and you put on these clothes and you're looking like Lance Armstrong and then she takes you to a building and in this building there's a room and in the room there's like 50 exercise bicycles.

1:17:07 Then you sit on one and then they close the door and lock it. They turn off the air conditioning they turn off the lights and then you realize everyone except you was wearing neon and Then they turn on like this disco like house And then there's a woman with a microphone on her head who is yelling at you and And you have to bike really fast and then you know and then you have to go push up and down and left and crunch and up and down and then you know and like and then you can't breathe and then you're dying. You know I've always suspected that Mickey was susceptible to this faddish bullcrap that floats around him. This is, this is, I mean, this is like, this is like the restaurants where you, where there's pitch black and you're supposed to eat your meal.

1:17:55 This place is all folded. I always like the no-hands restaurant. That was my favorite way I thought it'd be cool you go to one of those restaurants. No hands. She has another have you ever been there the no? No, I don't go to these places. I go I like eating food normally I don't want to go into a dark room because I'm one of those horrible people that you keep put me in one of those restaurants in the dark room nobody can see anything I'm throwing the food I'm just gonna throw it all over the place and see what happens. Hey! What the hell? I was in Bangkok. When I was in Bangkok, we were doing the documentary and they said, oh, we have to go to a no-hands restaurant. And a no-hands restaurant is the food is in the middle, it's like, it's kind of like a bleacher, like a round bleacher. And you're sitting on the lower rung and you have a girl

1:18:41 I think with no clothes on sitting behind you. You'd think. I can't really remember that part. There was a lot of naked girls in that documentary. And then so you as the no-hands patron are not allowed to touch the food. You just look at something and then your, I think, naked helper then goes and... It's pushed up against you, I might add. Of course! This is part of the benefit of the restaurant. Then goes with chopsticks or whatever or they might fry something on a little skittle thingy and then makes it for you and feeds you. Sounds like a good way to get blinded. Or to wake up in a bathtub full of ice. With your kidney missing.

1:19:25 Anyway, so I have to say I'm gonna go back. I'll stick with it. I'll stick with the the spinning thing in fact I want to get but you know I'm it's like can't we do like a spinning thing for like dudes my age where we start with you know like a little heart attack like a little credence clear water You know the slight ease into it slowly, you know And then maybe we'll be at sympathy for the devil at the very end of the class none of this 150 beats per minute crap. I'm hurting all over I But I do have to do something because I've become fat. You've gotten fat? Yeah. I find that hard to believe. No, I got a gut. I got a gut, man, from this drinking. Don't eat so much. It's not about... it's not moving. It's not about the not eating so much. Just don't eat anything. You're not going to get fat. I guarantee you, whether you move or not. Of course, we've been smoke-free for a year. You're going to gain some weight. Oh, that's always the excuse. No, I'm not saying that's the excuse. I said it's from non-movement. So this will be movement.

1:20:21 But anyway, this thing, what a scam. Check it out. How fat can you get in 106 degrees? So you got 50 bikes and I think they charge 20 bucks for 45 minutes. So it's $1,000 for somebody yelling at you. Yeah, exactly. And they must do four or five of these a day. This is a pretty good outfit. This is a pretty good deal. I wouldn't want to go to it. I want to own it. That's what I'm saying, to own it. But all your only outlay is well these bikes are expensive. They've got to be 1500 bucks These bikes are not cheap. Why don't you actually get on a bike and go around town and look at things? No, this is this has actually been my excuse. It's a waste of time Now I do want to point out that the chicks at this place are dynamite Oh, and if you're in the back row best seat in the house. Oh, yeah, there you go. The old horn dog in the back row

1:21:25 Okay Yes enough enough I tell you so if I have a couple of just a little segue clip I'm dead then you know what happened yes, yeah heart attack so Goes the show the I just want to place this a little aside because it's kind of funny but it's you know this guy's been on the YouTube for years and all he does is prove what Jay Leno proved like 20 years ago that you can go out on the street and find a bunch of idiots that'll say

1:22:07 you know, or do anything. It's just that the whole country is filled with these clowns. And it's also how you edit it. You know, you just, you leave out... No, but this guy actually edits kind of fairly, it seems so. But yeah, you can have a bunch of people telling you to get lost. But this is the petition guide. I cut it down just to the minimum. But this is the kind of thing you can do in the United States of America very easily. You sign a petition to help get the illegals out of jails and prisons and support Obama. They deserve a second chance. You know, murderers, burglars, rapists, they all deserve, yeah, sign there too please, birth date and a sign. These rapists, murderers and burglars, they all deserve a second chance. And I'm sure they are hard workers too. Thank you for supporting that. I've seen this guy, he also, I saw one where he went like,

1:23:02 Obama wants to repeal the first, second, third and fourth amendment. Yeah, I got that one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, great. That's great. This shows you a petition. You know, these petitioners come around every so often. There are always like CalPERS and some of these horrible operations which have brought us the bottle bill. So I have to pay six cents every time I buy a, you know, a bottle of water or anything. This is, is that Mark Dice? Is that who that guy is? Yeah, I think so. He's the guy that drove by the Walmart and said you're all lazy slaves. He's a funny guy. I think he's pretty funny. No, he's funny. He's kind of a stone-faced deadpan guy. He does a really good job. So they come by. I never sign petitions. No, of course not. I don't sign any of these petitions. I figure there's just a hit list or something. Here's my standard answer, and I've gotten really good at it. In Austin, for some reason, we have this a lot.

1:23:56 Like, would you like to sign a petition against drugs? Like, no, I use them, I like them. And they do what? Would you like to sign a petition to save whales? No, I think we should kill them all. I always do that. And Mickey's always, she hits me when I do this. But I can't help it. It's just whatever they say, I'm very good at immediately coming back with the exact opposite. And they just go, what? Yeah, they would always be baffled. Yeah, I can see these guys going that way. I stupidly did this is you're doing the right thing because I stupidly get into a conversation with him. Oh, oh no. Yes, and now that you mention it, I'm an idiot for even thinking to do that. Well, it's also a hundred degrees in Austin, so when we're on the street, you know, I'm not gonna stop and talk to you in a hundred degree heat. I just want to do that.

1:24:48 Yeah, I'm gonna have to I don't know what I'm at it's a little personality tweak I have to make so somebody says oh would you sign this petition with it? No, I think it's great the way it is I'm done the guys I'm gonna say anything more to me. I just have it This is one of those those little quirks those little things I can do I'm very good at no matter what you throw at me on the street I'm gonna come back and tell you that I love I love the exact opposite. I Yeah, I'll have to work on that. That's a good, very good advice. Yeah, that's good advice, alright. Okay, I got an Ask Adam. Oh, do we need, we can probably do a jingle, I don't know if I...

1:25:34 Okay, I've got a clip that I pulled that I want you to tell me who did the clip and this is sounds like an ad This is the ask Adam clip and ask Adam you have to tell me what it's about Okay, and who did it? Okay, so I have so this is an ask Adam because that's the way it's labeled and what it's about and who did it what it's about and who did it for $35 You make sacrifices every day for what it is you're trying to build. I've always been interested in building things and solving problems. It's the joy of creating something new that hopefully other people find useful. I'm so passionate about what I do. It wasn't just enough to come up with the idea and sell it to somebody else. What would a better way of doing this look like? You ask forgiveness, not permission. You go at it. But every once in a while you sit back and say,

1:26:21 Oh yeah, we're maybe curing cancer. Like that feels pretty good. Our aim is to really lead a transformation in cancer care. The world's first peer-to-peer car sharing marketplace. Highly focused communities, you know, built around superfans. Protecting the agriculture industry from the impact of bad weather. We're an online marketplace that connects people that want to buy things custom and the people that make it. We help people discover things inside of places. We're gonna change drug discovery. And solve a lot of the world's health care questions. This is what brings the world together. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do. You give up a lot of things to get to that point. But there isn't really a price that could be as much fun as building exactly what you want to build. To show it to the world and have people love what you're doing, that's that's the best thing for an engineer. Okay I have not seen this ad but I'm pretty sure it is for Windows RT. What do you mean you're pretty sure it's for Windows? It's got nothing

1:27:17 It's an online marketplace where we can cure cancer that sounds to me like Microsoft marketing you you're gonna have to just beep the buzzer What was this? Google maybe? Amazon? It was Google. It was all their guys that were within their Google Ventures. These are all the people, the partners in Google Ventures. Wait a minute, you're telling me that that twerp is now claiming that he can cure cancer? What's his name? That raccoon twerp? I don't know who the guy, they showed different people. What's his name? Kevin Rose, raccoon twerk. No, no, no, Kevin Rose. He's in Google Ventures. His was, we help you, let's do it again if you want, but he says, we help you discover things inside of places. Oh! That was Kevin Rose. Now the funny thing about this, Hold on, I heard Kevin Rose on that tweeter show.

1:28:19 And it sounds like his job is to only have coffee with people. Oh, what do you think it is? It's a coffee club. Because he kept saying... It's a coffee clatch. He actually said... It's not even a drinking club. He said, before I have coffee with a founder. I'm like, wow, is that like a new swingers club or something? Coffee with a founder. Here's the joke. To me, the thing, and I think it's kind of sick, ironic and also like racist, and I'll bring it up. There's one black guy. Now the guys are curing cancer, they're helping you find... What is the black guy doing? What is he doing? The black guy says he's involved with developing highly focused communities built around superfans.

1:28:59 Like instead of air conditioners you mean? No, you know what he means. He means let's find a hip-hop group and build a website and promote them even more. Wow. Wow. So they gave the black guy this ridiculous stereotypical bull crap. Unbelievable. So he gets to work with super fans while everybody else gets to work curing cancer. And what was Rosigan's finding things inside of things? Discover things inside of places. And where did this air? This was a national spot I bet. Oh online? Okay. I have to watch this thing online.

1:29:37 So my initial thinking wasn't far off the mark. It's like this is typical Silicon Valley, we're gonna save the world. And I thought, yeah, Windows RT. Sounds like we're gonna cure cancer. Wow, so Google Ventures is going to do that? These guys are smart to do this because their business model is drying up. I look at the numbers, Google, I see what's happening. They're trying to morph now because they need to keep investor confidence, they need to keep people interested. Because the the pyramid scheme the house of cards that is their illegal in my mind practices of Forcing websites into their webmaster program and getting them on board and otherwise you're blocked from Google result The whole thing is anti-competitive anti-american. I'll even say that it's falling apart and they've seen that look ten years ago ten years ago Blackberry was the shit

1:30:37 I had a Blackberry. It was this device and you could drive a car over it and it might be scratched but you still had your email and it was easy to write emails and this thing was wireless and it was mind-boggling and they got into the entire infrastructure of business and government and it only took Apple eight years, maybe about seven or eight years and BlackBerry is dead. RIM the company is as good as dead. This can happen to Google too and put it in the book, it will happen. We're going to get bit search, you know, we already have the bit torrent, the bit sync, the bit message, we'll get bit twit, and we're going to get bit search, and it's all going to be decentralized because that is the nature of the network. It's the nature of the beast. It happens every single time. So self-driving cars, glasshole stuff, all of this is just fodder. There's no money in it. There's no money. Their money comes from a scam.

1:31:36 And of course no one really reports on the hundreds of millions of dollars in fines they have to pay for propagating illegal pharmaceuticals online. That's barely reported on. I'm sorry, Jeff Jarvis must have missed that one. It's a scam. Well, you have a thing about online advertising being a scam and I have to say that it doesn't... When's the last time you clicked on anything or even read these things? People are zoning out over these things. And on the Google, In fact, I think a good evidence of this in my browser in one of my machines. I had to, I loaded something because I needed some utility, but it also screwed with my browser. So now, anytime I... This is a classic. I got to get rid of this. So if I type in the URL I want, it immediately jumps to Bing. Oh yeah. Oh, you know, it was Skype. You upgraded Skype and you didn't pay attention to what they said.

1:32:32 This almost happened to me and I went to a screen, I hit next and then I saw oh my god, it's a Bing and toolbar like no and I went back and there was something else that it asked me which I just clicked through you know people, ho-ho people. So the real point of this is that if you and I've and I've always said this about spam too, if you have to trick somebody yeah to get into this is the same case with downloads all these you know you want to download a utility it's a free download free download go to see net and they get download buttons all over the page and you have to dig to figure out which one to click on because you click on any other when you get some piece of crap you don't want well this was real networks business model has been his business model for the past 10 years and then they just came out with their public company

1:33:22 They lost like 18 million dollars or whatever, because the scam is now falling apart. Real networks, and when's the last time you played a real audio or real media clip? you know, they were bundling all of their crap into their player. You know, you wrote a great article, although I'd like to expand on it because it is very relevant to LavaBit and all of the things that people think that they have to be a part of in this online world, which you really don't have to be a part of. And it was essentially, you said that, look, Amazon knows who they really know everything about me. Yet on the Kindle and by the way, I have the same You know cheap-ass Kimball Kindle and they've got the ad for me on the front page is steel like an artist like really That you know Amazon doesn't even know really what you want and the whole idea of Targeted personalized marketing is a scam and Amazon has figured this out that there's no way to really do it properly so they're now just resorting to spam and

1:34:19 And that's really what works, is spam works. It's just a fact. Yeah, because it's cheap and you can just broadcast everywhere, which is essentially the way TV advertising works. It's spam. And here's something interesting. So of course I've been, you know, I rebuilt my entire email server. So you get deep into the guts of it and you start looking at stuff again and what's getting through and what's being rejected. And I used my, you know, I obviously used the little iPod touch device I've been using instead of a phone. I used it in Italy and France. and Somehow the spammers are and I use it on like restaurant Wi-Fi networks and the Airbnb networks There was no other real open networks that I can recall using although just having your Wi-Fi on and this has been shown in the UK now where the you know They've got all and this is all over the place You go into a shopping mall your Mac address is being collected because you have your Wi-Fi on Bing, you know they they got your Mac address and so they you know, they're tracking you throughout your experience and

1:35:18 I am getting spam related to my MAC address because now all of a sudden I'm getting Italian spam and French spam. This is not because... In Austin? In Austin. Right? Yeah, they don't know where you are. It's crazy and you do have, you know, ways, there's ways of determining this. This reminds me of the somebody or you may have been you who mentioned that, you know, Amazon being so, you know, they have the information on you if they want to do targeting and It's so piss poor. No, they always give me... I know what you're going to say. You just buy something. You just bought it. You just bought it and then you get ads about what you just bought. Yeah, you buy a camera and then they're pummeling you with ads to buy the camera. You just bought the camera. Exactly. So this is part of the big secret. Is it doesn't work. There's billions of dollars being stolen from advertisers and from consumers and just waste of my time. Just taking my time.

1:36:16 It's all just, it's not working. And that's what I liked about your article is essentially Amazon's seen it, they're the ones who can really know. Google doesn't know shit about me, really. Really. And this, it's the reverse, the government is doing the exact reverse. You know, since they can't actually target an individual terrorist, they're doing the opposite of spam, which is they're doing suck. It's like... Let me just swallow everything and then see if we can find some nuggets of some chunks of goodness in there. Right, exactly. You're right. That's a good analogy. It's the exact opposite. It's the exact opposite of spam. Instead of just sending out a bunch of crap that you hoped you'd get a lead, you just suck in a bunch of crap and hope you get a lead. It's the same thing, only reversed. Isn't it interesting that if you reverse the word spam, you get maps? There you go. Well anyway, so that was annoying, to say the least. But a great ad. I like that a lot. I like the ad.

1:37:14 So anyway, okay, that's your ask Adam. Here's a little history lesson which I think we should be talking about. This is not really an Ask John, but I'm going to throw it back to you because of course this was I think 1972? And this was on CNN. Now we got to talk about CNN a little bit because CNN has had their lowest ratings ever. I'm not kidding you not. Who's ahead of it? Let me see, the guy who ran NBC into the ground, Jeff Zucker. Yeah, he's really good only 27,000 viewers in the demo. That's 25 to 54 Wow I mean that's so they had 300,000 viewers total, but it was like maybe with 70 it doesn't matter You know like okay. Let's maybe I'm Mixing up. It was 72,000 in the demo. It's it's not even a tenth of a ratings point That's in the demo and the demo means where the money is and

1:38:09 So the first thing I'll do actually I'm gonna reverse this This is something that you pointed out and and and and I think it was the history channel or TLC or whatever it was We had the the reality show the housewives smoking cannabis All right, right cannabis cannabis cannabis So CNN and I've done the research on this a CNN is in deep deep deep trouble I have it here I have the headline here. CNN garnered its second lowest prime time ratings of the year amongst adults 2554 on Thursday August 8th 2013 averaging 76,000 adults in the 25 to 54 viewers from 8 to 11 p.m. That's in a three-hour time period.

1:39:00 Pierce unbelievable Pierce Morgan live delivered one of its ten lowest rated episodes of the year with 71,000 adults in the 25 to 43 Demo so we have more listeners. Yes, you're smorgasbord. So first of all I from I now executive order I veto no more Pierce Morgan clips unless he pays us and Because, you know, we can't be promoting this guy anymore. So we got to stop with that. I'm in. And he'll be off back to the UK very, very soon. So now I'm reading something like I'm interested because there's something came up something happened and And I'm and it's related to this. So here's CNN reboots to grab non news ad dollars and this is a story and I know it where I used to be in this business so I know where to get all these stories and this is about you know new president Jeff Zucker has been trying to remake CNN into a network that's essential every day rather than watched only during news events and

1:40:02 CNN's new programming strategy lends itself to go after dollars that are not traditional news So they're really trying to do something here because they're in trouble and they didn't even do an upfront Which means you know, they they didn't even have an advertiser blowjob session But they the news came out that CNN's advertising revenues are now down and we're talking shocking like 10 to 15 percent of And it always takes a while when the ratings go down because you know of how stuff is bought out in the future. So CNN, now we're in trouble. And this came out because Time Warner released their numbers, their quarterly numbers, and they don't typically break stuff out like this, but for some reason they did, which I think is also a big F you to Jeff Zucker. And they broke it out and CNN's revenues were like around $300 million, very, very poor, down 10 to 15%. So knowing what you and I know about how the business works,

1:40:58 And we've discussed this about, we've seen this happen with other entities, even online entities. When you want to get an advertiser in, there's two ways you can do it. One, which is often very effective, is strap on the knee pads and open your mouth. And I have done this many, many times. for all kinds of ventures to get the ad, oh yes, well duh, it'll be great. It'll be your branding everywhere. In fact, I will have the Budweiser logo tattooed on my ass just for you. Just give us your order. Or you can start kicking against one of the largest advertisers.

1:41:40 The pharmaceutical industry spends around five billion dollars a year in the United States alone on television advertising, which is also deemed their most effective advertising. And it's the usual suspects. It's Amgen, it's Allergen, it's Johnson & Johnson, it's all these guys. And I have been missing it somewhere, and of course when I heard this report come out, and this stunning news! I knew what had happened. And he has decided that he has been wrong all along. That medical marijuana... All these years! Medical marijuana has actual, factual, scientific, medical benefits over those nasty pharmaceuticals. I've been pretty critical of it. I've written magazine articles and other things. When you look at the medical literature, there's some 20,000 papers that'll pop up, Victor, on medical marijuana.

1:42:44 The vast majority of them, greater than 90% of them, are designed to look at harm. The problems, the perils of marijuana, and about 6% or so to look at the benefits. That's what I found. And that paints a pretty distorted picture. That was a distorted picture I realize now in retrospect. It took for me getting out of, literally out of the country, looking at labs in other countries that are doing some remarkable research, and also talking to a lot of patients. I mean, legitimate patients with legitimate problems. I probably too easily dismiss them as just being malingerers who were trying to get high. When you come to find out these are legitimate patients for whom marijuana works and nothing else did, all of a sudden the attitudes start to change because then it becomes a question of responsibility. We've got to provide actual care for people. And you say we were systematically misled.

1:43:32 I think we have been. In this country up until 1943, marijuana was on the pharmacopia, which is what doctors used to prescribe medicines. For the last 70 years, you know, it's been progressively sort of demonized, thought of differently, made a schedule one drug. Why you, you douchebag! The most dangerous substances in the country. And I think that, you know, there was a lot of things going on in the late 30s and early 40s that may have led to that. But I think the end product to your question is that we simply haven't gotten accurate information about this. There's real science here. Science! And that needs to be injected into this conversation.

1:44:09 So I'm blown away by this you have to play that clip of the week. That's good. Well. Well I have I have a Reduction Okay, I have Okay, but here is incredible, but here is Sanjay and And because you know we got to step it up we got to go to prime time which is 6,000 viewers more over a three-hour period and we're going to hit broth now we're with broth to promote the weed documentary. That's a good point I know you did a lot of research for this documentary that will air this weekend is there concrete evidence though concrete scientific evidence that medical marijuana works better at treating certain medical conditions than pharmaceutical drugs. I mean broth is like he's

1:45:02 It's like... Just say, you know, just name the drugs, Brolf. I believe there is. I've seen examples of it. First of all, I've seen the studies. So this isn't just anecdotal information, anecdotal knowledge anymore. There are studies to back this up. But I think I'll give you a couple of quick examples. Please. With regard to something known as neuropathic pain, neuropathy. That can be that sort of pins and needles sort of feeling burning, lancinating as my patients have described it, feeling in your limbs. It can be very hard to treat. And the way that we often treat it now in this country is to use medications like narcotics, you know, poppy derivatives such as morphine, Dilaudid, Oxycontin. Yeah, he's going after everything.

1:45:44 he's going after the poppy derivatives. This is shameless. I mean, I, and it's lies. He knew all this a long time ago. Yeah. Or he's either a denier. We know that marijuana can actually have a significant benefit towards treating this sort of pain. Sometimes it can work, not only work, but it can work when those other medications didn't work. And there's something else that I think makes this very, very relevant, Wolf. And that is when you talk about these narcotic pills, Someone dies of an accidental overdose in this country every 19 minutes. Wait, wait, wait, here it comes! It's laying it on thick! No, no, it gets better! From taking these prescription-type pills. When we did our research, we could not find any evidence of a death from marijuana overdose. So you have a drug that works, you have a drug that may work better than what else is out there, and you have a drug that, from a critical safety profile, appears to be safer.

1:46:36 I just want to tell everyone something because you will hear, oh the government has the patent on medical marijuana, it's a deal, but no. This is one thing and one thing only. This is the last ditch effort by CNN. Last ditch to get the pharmaceutical industry back on board. Because they're not advertising on CNN. They're not. This is the same thing that happened in the Good Morning America show. And this is what you do. You got two routes when you're a publisher. One, you knuckle under whatever the advertisers tell you to do, you do it. Or...

1:47:19 The advertisers bail out and you go after them. And this is... So they get back on board. Right. And that's what they're doing. But it's not gonna happen. This is Jeff Zucker. I don't think so either. Because the numbers are so low, nobody except the people, listeners, the Irish, we got more listeners to those clips than they did. Yes. And the funny thing is, they're providing our material. This is great. It's a bonanza. So this is Jeff Zucker. Pulling out his balls and swinging him around like I'm Jeff Zucker And we're gonna get him back and it's gonna fail It's going to fail and so so look at the writing on the wall people look at look at the models look at you know the the Boston the Boston

1:48:06 Globe? What is it? The Boston Insider? What's that newspaper? The Boston Globe? What about it? Yeah, the one that sold for $70 million. We got Bezos buying the Post for way overvalued. It was probably also worth about $60-70 million, but even $250 million. Like, okay, whatever. But that's as a lobbying tool. Yeah, but even that's overpaid. and you're going to see this systematically come to... go listen to NPR people, do that, don't listen to No Agenda, please stop, stop, turn it off right now, go listen to NPR and then count the number of underwriters like Squarespace and what's the Carbonite

1:48:53 It's like these are ads, ruining the programming, ruining the program. We told the story already on the show, tell it again. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation pulled their funding from the News Hour, one of the actually really good news programs, at least one of the better ones. on the air, because they didn't think it was jazzy enough and they started strong-arming him. We'll give you some money if you make the show the way we want you to make the show. Get rid of it, in other words. Get rid of it. And so we want more whooshes. Now, so when people say to us, and we're about to thank some producers, when they say, I don't always agree with you, I'm happy. Because if you agree with me, if you think everything we say is good, go away too.

1:49:37 This is not good for you, then we're not the right show. But the future of your media diet, the future of your news has to be varied and you need to challenge yourself, yo! You need to challenge your own thinking. I threw that in there. I thought that would accentuate to the hip young crowd, the 25-54. Alright, I'm gonna give up on it. We do have a bunch of people to thank and we want to thank them profusely with starting with Chris Terreheart in Abbotsford British Columbia there by spasm I believe 169 33 dear crow and servo August 10th was my 24th birthday so I thought I might make myself a gift the gift of finally lifting the veil of no donate douche self-pity off my head

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1:51:26 Well, that's really nice of you. I've had lots of people over the years ask me about that. Yeah, I always, and you want, no guarantees it'll work forever, but I'll put it down. Well, that's good for the short term. Yeah. Wernher Bogula or Bogula or Bogula in Hamburg, Deutschland 101 69. He's going to South Africa to train some journalists about podcasting and needs some serious travel karma. Because A, his plane is an Airbus. Yeah, it is a double hit. The government last week accidentally switched off electricity in Mandela's home. You got some electricity and travel karma here, my friend. You've got karma. And it's good to know because my daughter is leaving on Monday for Namibia.

1:52:12 Oh, jeez, why? Oh, that's right. Your daughter's going to do the show. Can I just tell you a quick little anecdote about this? Yeah. So this is a reality show, but you don't get voted off. So it's safe for her to go. People aren't going to be too crazy. But you know how these shows work. And they try to put you into a certain mind state and reality. And she had said early on, look, I'll only do the show if you have, you know, I want to be able to have some normal food. Like I have gluten issues and stuff. So I do need to be able to have like some crackers or whatever. So you have to promise. Okay. And I've looked out for doctor's insurance and all this stuff. The production is okay in that regard. But she also said, I want to be able to call a home.

1:52:53 you know, a couple times a week. And so then the contract came back and then all of a sudden they did the bait and switch. Well, you know, we looked into it and it's hard to get a phone call in maybe two weeks. And then so Christina's like, this is bullcrap. This has got satellite phones, everything. Namibia, there's cell service everywhere. So it's total bullcrap. And they're like, oh yeah, well, you know, you can make a phone call, you know, if you really, you know, if it's really horrible and you're crying and you can't stand it anymore. Right? And so she's like, daddy, I'm not going to go. And then the production, the legal department is like, well, if you read the fine print, you'll have to pay us 25,000 euro fine. And so it's Christina's calling me up and her management is like, oh look, they're going to sue you. And I said, honey, listen, watch this. So you call them up.

1:53:42 And you say your dad laughed at your slave contract and he personally will come with his team of lawyers to fight your lawsuit. So then you demand three phone calls a week. They'll offer two, you'll settle. And she's like, Dad, really? I said, no, you watch. And she and she and I'm very proud of her. She held out, said, no, I'm not going to go. You can sue me. We're not afraid of you. And they went, OK. And they gave her the three phone calls, didn't even negotiate it down the two. Oh, whoa. Hello. So very important show business lesson there. I'm very proud. You gotta stand up for yourself. Particularly this bull crap. People will walk all over you. But particularly this bull crap. This like, oh we're gonna sue you. Please. Yeah, anytime you hear a threat by the way like that you know that they're in a disadvantaged position. Exactly. You don't threaten, you just do. You do. Thank you. Thank you. Anyway. So it's good if some crap goes down, if she's not getting her phone calls, then Werner, I'm calling you up and you'll have to travel west.

1:54:41 And he's German too, which is a good thing. Mac Tank in La Jolla, California, $100. Excellent work of late, gentlemen. Michael Henry, $100 in Snellville, Georgia. Also, he's a wonderful person. He wants to say hello to Susan Coleman in memory of her. Bas Bruyne, oh brother. This is another Netherlands name people always critique me for. Let me try. Ba, but, but, I can't even come close. What is this Brunix? Yeah, I would say it's Bas Brunix. Brunix. Browning's bus brownings bus brown eggs and worst forced forced right B's or F's forced

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1:58:47 Yeah, of the crap that we're sending over there. Exactly. Well, okay, on behalf of the awakened American spirit, we apologize Australia. But that's probably Murdoch. It's that traitor. He was an Australian, he's a traitor, and he became an American. And we really don't want him. He's sending American propaganda to us. Yeah, that's a true traitor. Yeah, well, that's what he is. Jason Fortune in Geneva, Illinois. And finally, Alexander Sukhovy in Moscow. Yes. And we want to thank them and everyone else who donated even lesser amounts. We have a bunch of requests, including girlfriend, getting back his girlfriend and Steven and... I've just a quick note of thanks from Jerry Byfield who sent a challenge coin our way.

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2:03:42 Because we were talking about this. It goes along with the challenge coins. And that, you know, I think you or I, we were talking about this and you know, when people say they think that you and I are doing a great service and these are the people sitting in sand shooting. Like really? Yeah. So Vin sent us a note says you're doing a great service to our country even if it is 80% bull crap. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying even if it was. It is still a great service you are doing as it is entertaining and makes us think. When I was in the Navy I would drink with Marines and they would say they really expected what I did being on a submarine. They really respected what I did being on a submarine and they could never do that. And I usually replied that I admire what they were doing as I have a high allergy

2:04:30 to lead at high velocities. That's a funny note. It's annoying. And we would laugh and they would say thanks to their taxi drivers and nurses, which is their version of the Navy. And I told them to fuck off and bought them a drink. Sounds like the Marines in the Navy. Exactly. Difference between the Marines and the SEALs. They do both. They are death from above and below, land and sea. They do stuff that will stop a man's heart. So I buy them drinks unapologetically, knowing I am completely on the winning side of any potential bar fight as I catch the spin-off of beautiful girls trying to fall in their laps. Anyway, except the great the the gratuit from the forces freely by the way All of the major news outlets are breaking out with Benghazi gun running kudos to you for picking up on that early I know it's just one of many examples where you do so Keep me up with you via podcast. I was in Dar es Salaam Tanzania now in Kampala Uganda your African boner get more boner residing Africa who will redeem himself at a later date So anyway, it was just really really nice that you know

2:05:33 you know, they're saying, hey, you know, everyone contributes in small ways. Yeah. And we appreciate these kinds of commentaries. And Tristan sent a note, which I did want to mention. Remember, the president stumbled and he was he was talking about a J word and we didn't know if it was going to be Japan. What was it again? He was talking about. Yeah, he was talking about some about I forgot what it was. Some trouble. Was it drones or trouble? Trouble. Tristan says he thinks the president was saying was gonna say jabooty. It could be That's right, that's right I would like to say a little something about Euro land for a moment. Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah, this is a

2:04:30 to lead at high velocities. That's a funny note. It's annoying. And we would laugh and they would say thanks to their taxi drivers and nurses, which is their version of the Navy. And I told them to fuck off and bought them a drink. Sounds like the Marines in the Navy. Exactly. Difference between the Marines and the SEALs. They do both. They are death from above and below, land and sea. They do stuff that will stop a man's heart. So I buy them drinks unapologetically, knowing I am completely on the winning side of any potential bar fight as I catch the spin-off of beautiful girls trying to fall in their laps. Anyway, except the great the the gratuit from the forces freely by the way All of the major news outlets are breaking out with Benghazi gun running kudos to you for picking up on that early I know it's just one of many examples where you do so Keep me up with you via podcast. I was in Dar es Salaam Tanzania now in Kampala Uganda your African boner get more boner residing Africa who will redeem himself at a later date So anyway, it was just really really nice that you know

2:05:33 you know, they're saying, hey, you know, everyone contributes in small ways. Yeah. And we appreciate these kinds of commentaries. And Tristan sent a note, which I did want to mention. Remember, the president stumbled and he was he was talking about a J word and we didn't know if it was going to be Japan. What was it again? He was talking about. Yeah, he was talking about some about I forgot what it was. Some trouble. Was it drones or trouble? Trouble. Tristan says he thinks the president was saying was gonna say jabooty. It could be That's right, that's right I would like to say a little something about Euro land for a moment. Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah, this is a

2:06:27 This is something you probably won't hear but the European Union passed a law last week actually, I didn't even notice it came a little late. It's called the bail-in law and there's something interesting with this. So this is about banks going kaput and there has been some rumors that the Deutsche Bank is on suicide watch and all this stuff. But pretty much, if not underreported, pretty much just not reported at all is the new bail-in law. And this is your buddies Barossov and Rompuy and the Lithuanian president, I guess, who came out with the new ruling. If a bank fails, let me see, I have it here, no depositor, big or small, will in future be able to feel safe

2:07:22 with the money deposited in the bank because uh tax pay hold on a second where is it i'm sorry for some reason the print in this is too small my glasses are not focusing properly uh close it up yeah hold on no let me what i can do is i can Make it bigger. It's one of those, you know, it's a PDF that isn't, that's a scan and it's not a PDF, it's not a... I think you still make it bigger. Yeah, no, I know. But you get the computer freezing on me. Anyway, the gist of it is, I can't give you the exact language here for a second. The gist of it is that just like Cyprus, the creditors and investors in a bank

2:08:08 Will be paying for the the debts if a bank collapses now that is not Entirely unexpected because we kind of knew that was going to happen But what turns out is that this was set up to Now remember when I read the Lisbon Treaty and it seems like everything's hunky-dory but you go and you find the protocols and the protocols is where it says you know if you have a communicable disease like the flu or if you're alcoholic you can get locked up forever and all this crazy crap about the EU which no one knows about so they have these directives and

2:08:47 in the European Union. It's a legal document and I have this one, the 2012, it's a January, I think it's the 5th or the 15th COD, which is the EU directive. And this is a year, almost a year before the Cyprus bailout. The law that was just created was based upon this directive which talks about these bail-ins where in any case if the institution under resolution fails and does not have sufficient funds to repay depositors, the universality of proceedings ensure the equal treatment of creditors irrespective of their nationality, place of residence or domicile. In other words, you could conclude that the Cyprus bail-in

2:09:33 was a test to see if anyone would really make any waves and that they were expecting to set this all, it was a setup essentially. Yeah, well didn't we come to that conclusion when the idea first cropped up? And now we have the proof because now they have the draft proposal, they have the law, it'll get passed. I mean I don't even know how they vote on stuff like that but it'll get passed. And I think we can see there's a couple Italian banks that are very weak right now. I mean, this is your October thing, John. I think it'll start in Europe. Well, I'm still hoping we can avoid this October because that pushes things way off. Yeah, it could.

2:10:11 I think they'll weasel their way out of it somehow. How? I mean at a certain point, you know, this whole idea of... That's why you have a... if you can do it, how is the question? Let's assume it's done with some whatever, you know, some plan or scheme. With herbs. You know, the idea is to put it off, you have to put a collapse off as long as you can, I mean, especially in today's world, because it would create a... Domino effect. A domino, yeah, a massive domino effect, which would bring everything to a standstill. I mean, if you think the 2008-2009 situation... Oh, it's a joke compared to what's really going to happen. Yeah, because that was, that we essentially clawed our way back with all kinds, with essentially printing money. Yeah.

2:10:59 You know what they need to do? They need to jigger it. That'll work. I got another kind of an Ask Adam thing here, a little aside. I decided to have a new quiz. And what I want you to do is play two different clips and I want you to spot the elite. So we're gonna play two clips from two different people and of the two people you have to spot the elite. I have come to the conclusion that the way because everything's a milieu and so people's kind of talk they talk they had the milieu speak they talk with they start to develop characteristics of the milieu and the longer they're in the milieu absolutely the more they talk like it yes and and so let's play the two clips I got

2:11:52 What does an elite sound like? Question number one. This is a little clip. I'll tell you who it is later, but this is tell me if you first you listen to him then you listen to the next guy and tell me which of the two is the elite. It's these opportunities that I want to highlight this morning along with some of the education reform lessons that we're learning here every day in the US. In the digital aid, we have game-changing technologies that can help teachers to personalize learning. Okay, and now I play number two? Now here's number two. Is this on? Can you hear me? It's this guy. So I'd like to welcome everyone to Brookings. My name is Liaquat Ahmed. I'm a trustee.

2:12:38 And we're very honoured to have Ambassador Froman with us today. Ambassador Froman just assumed the role of US Trade Representative in June, and before that he served in the White House as the Assistant to the President and the Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economic Affairs. Should I be thrown at all, John, by the apparent stick the man has up his arsehole? I like the way he says the word June. I can't even do that. June. June. June. Yes, I would say that the trustee in the Brookings... Jigger the June. ...much more likely to be an elite than Arnie Duncan who can't even pronounce words correctly. Jigger the June, I tell you. Our education secretary can't even spell. This is so much more apparent in Europe.

2:13:35 And it's only that you bring this up that I'm thinking about it how and also the UK you know the the the mouthful of rocks the hot potato the And that is the milieu and in in old world is where you see that really it's much more prevalent But I think people are immune to it. They're immune these people have no clue They're the first ones to die by the way in the collapse. I Oh yeah, no, they're the ones that get their heads chopped off. Well if not that, then they're the ones that show up at your door like, I don't know how to cook, help me! Yes, that's true. Oh, so here's my history lesson, I was gonna go back to CNN.

2:14:20 This is always a good topic. Well this was really interesting because it relates to Snowden and this is something that happened in the Nixon White House, 72 is that possible? Nixon White House would be 72. All the presidents have had this by the way, but most recently President Obama, he's got Stevie Wonder, like everyone hanging out. Prince, you know, has Prince ever been there? Prince should be there. I mean everyone's performing at the White House, you know, which is incredibly elitist. It really is, you know, and it's all for... And they don't have to pay him. And it's all like Blues Heritage Month or, you know.

2:15:01 Protect the American music society something or other and it's just a free concert for elites is what it is But this has always been going on. And so now we'll go back to a Nixon a Republican I believe 1972 and something wonderful happened and it was an incident. I'd never heard of it CNN Thank You Jeff Zucker for putting this on CNN last night I'm sure no, I'm sure I was the only person watching but it was interesting and I learned something and Play. Why is it not playing? What happened? Weird. You didn't learn that much. No. I'm sorry. Here we go! Here we go! And now to commemorate this event, we have as our special guest tonight, the Ray Conniff Singers.

2:15:47 It's very difficult to describe them, most of you have heard them, and if the music is square, it's because I like it square. By the way, no difference between Obama and Nixon. Always talking himself down. I'm square. Now what you're seeing is the Ray Conniff singers is about 20 beautiful now imagine 60s because it's the 70s but the girls are like 60s hair you know sexy sexy sexy and and they're all coming on stage before Ray Conniff himself comes on stage and all of a sudden two of these girls hold up a handmade sign like made out of a pillow pillowcase

2:16:44 President Nixon, stop bombing human beings, animals and vegetation. You go to church on Sundays and pray to Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ were here tonight, you would not dare drop another bomb. Bless the Berrigans and bless Daniel Ellsberg. Now, do you remember this incident, John? Not at all. But I have to say, I can just imagine the meeting afterwards with Nixon who is a foul-mouthed character. I have, so you know Nixon recorded a lot of stuff. I'm reliably informed.

2:17:25 I have a six minute phone call which if you want it's in the show notes or we could play it as a... Play it now. Oh, you really want to hear it now? Was it about this incident? Yes, well he... so... okay, so... Did you hear what the girl said at the very end there? Yeah. She said, God bless Daniel Ellsberg. Yeah. Okay, then just give everyone the relevance because I'm not sure everybody else is at the time He dropped the Pentagon papers on the public and that Nixon administration was going after him in every way possible and Nixon has been recorded a number of times saying we got to get that son of a bitch Ellsberg and it's probably even on this clip I'm sure and he was just beside himself about these Pentagon papers. So he was trying to get you know the war had been

2:18:15 pretty much done, made, maximized by the Democrats and Nixon was trying to unwind the damn thing but he was pulling all kinds of stunts to do it and he didn't need these distractions is the way he saw it. So there's a couple of things about this clip that we just heard and so this was on C, it was beautiful to see Where are the artists, okay, the creative community who stand up to this current president and say, Mr. President, stop the droning, stop the killing, stop killing people and plants and life in general, stop doing it illegally, stop doing it, just stop! Yeah, where are they? You have a couple of bimbos on the Raycon of singers have the guts to do it. So here is now you want to hear the meeting. So I guess I'm not sure who he's talking with. Wait, maybe I have it. Hold on a second. Maybe I can tell you who he's talking with. This is a White House phone call and it's John Connolly, maybe. I don't know who that could be. John Connolly from Texas.

2:19:15 Okay, yeah from Texas correct so this was the day after and I guess John Connally was sick or his wife was sick and couldn't be there and tech and now and and here's Nixon talking to him about what happened. It's it's stopped me if it gets boring, but I listened to this I was just stunned by the conversation Here's what it and I think our current president is probably just as bad as this Here we go, January 29th, 1972. Oh, I uh, if you got a minute, I'll tell you. We had to pick up the paper you're reading. You missed one of the most interesting things. We had the Ray Connors singers and before the, they came out on the stage,

2:19:58 one girl with her hair down to her waist, there are about 16 singers and they're all pretty girls and nice looking guys and so forth. He's a horn dog too isn't he? Oh yeah. Hell of a pretty girl, hair down to her waist and nice looking guys too. He's bisexual. Nixon. A lot of singers are kind of square types of it. She stepped out in front of them into the shock of everybody and hung out a homemade sign on cloth saying stop the stop the killing and she says Mr. President stop the killing if you believe in Jesus Christ stop the killing of men and animals and children in Vietnam and she said God bless Daniel Ellsberg, God bless the Berrigan brothers and then step back. You can't imagine the shock and you remember the earthquake? Are you serious? Yeah! You read it in the Post this morning and even there it's a it's a it's

2:20:51 I think that�s the best way to put it. I just want you to know that I didn�t plan that first. He says, �Most of us are proud to be here at the White House.� Then somebody in the crowd, I think it was old Jack Mulcahy, says, �Well then act like it.� Then somebody Else back in the room to my utter amazement said throw the bum out Throw it out and then several people said throw her out so con and con if on his own asked her to leave and she left You don't win it this way this happened at the White House last night. Are you tell Nellie what she missed? But can you imagine that I asked Manola, you know about it, you know, I always get he's my man to check I said no wait, what do you think? He said, you know, I heard it about your

2:21:49 About you at about 7 o'clock news. Now, now, now okay so now he's going to get really now we now the foul mouth comes out you can pass the Nelly to clean it up a little you know the Spanish have wonderful profanity and she says she's an hijo de puta and I know what that means that means that means a daughter of a whore and he says no she's worse she says muchisima puta she's a great big whore and he said she acted like a streetwalker I'm bored now. Alright, you're bored. I can listen to that stuff forever so you can't have me cut it off. What happened with Eartha Kitt by the way? He referenced something there that I didn't know about. I recall Eartha Kitt, she was of course with a black president, I bet you this wouldn't have happened, but she was extremely outspoken about the war and I think it cost her some work.

2:22:56 But what did she do something at the White House? Something that maybe she may have also done something at the White House. She'd have to look it up on the internet. Well, no, you mean the uh, oops, hold on a second. The book of knowledge. Yeah, it would be in the book of knowledge. Someone would put it in her bio. Let me see. Let me see. White House. White House. Uh, during the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kidd encountered a substantial professional setback. So that this is what so It's this is how it's not interesting. You said it caught whatever it was it cost her some work So that was the that was the meme that you were programmed with and that's all that's left over After she made anti-war statements during a White House luncheon kit was invited to the White House luncheon was asked by Lady Bird Johnson about the Vietnam War she replied you send the best of this country off to be shot and maimed no wonder the kids rebel and take pot

2:23:48 Newfound respect for Eartha Kitt. So where are these people? No instead we have Jay-z and Beyonce blowing the first family. How sad is that people? Where's Jay-z the voice of a generation standing up and saying this is wack yo That's my Jay-z. Yeah Instead instead they're part of the fascist movement of collusion and collaboration Yeah, no, all of the Hollywood. It's disgusting is what it is. It is totally disgusting. But even back then there were only a few people. I mean there was this woman on the Raycon of singers who probably could track down and find she was beat up by somebody afterwards. She's dead, she's dead, John. She's dead. An Eartha Kitt, you know, who got lots of work. I think she's dead too. Isn't Eartha Kitt dead? Well, I think she's dead by now. But that's from old age, not from... Let's see. Is she dead? Yeah, she died on December 25th at 81.

2:24:43 In 2008. I remember I remembered some of her earlier well for me early stuff She was well. She was she Catwoman. Yeah, she was Catwoman on the Batman show right right right right right? She was always a bit crazy, but was she crazy no turns out She was saying good stuff. She had a very stylish style of singing very yes. It was like a French chanteuse Yeah, she was kind of the original Grace Jones. I would say what didn't she do strange I? I've seen that face before. Anything to get you to stop singing will... Yes, it was. Yes, yes, that would be it. Stop it. Stop it now. So anyway, so this is... next time you go to download a song from the iTunes or the Amazons, you know, think about these people and where is the protest? Where? Where are the protest songs even? I was talking with someone

2:25:38 one of our new restaurant open up. Yeah, really? Where are the protest songs? Well, do you know that it was George Michael, interestingly, I don't even know the name of the song, but he ended his career and of course George Michael, a very prolific songwriter, I think one of the best songwriters of my generation, And he did a video where Tony Blair was a lap dog sitting on George Bush's lap. Do you remember that? The first Bush, George W administration? I do remember the lap dog. And it ended his career and was like, man, you can't do that. That's messed up. Yo. And it ended his career. And now he just smokes weed and falls out of his car all the time. But that was the last time I can remember a musician really protesting

2:26:26 For real, like really really close. I'll give it to Kanye West. I'll give it to Kanye West. I remember Kanye West said on TV, George Bush hates black people. That was funny. I'm like, yes, yes, go Kanye. But that wasn't a protest. And he also was portrayed as an idiot. Well, that's the problem. But I mean, they portrayed Eartha Kitt as an idiot. Okay, where is Michael Moore, who receives an Academy Award, and then the next thing you know, he's in front of the huge audience at the Academy Award ceremony, bitching about Bush. Right. And then that ended with him for a while.

2:27:04 Well, he got more work, he didn't really end him at all, but once Obama got in, now he just kind of shows up. He doesn't, I don't know, he just doesn't seem to be complaining so versiferously. And I would say it may be happening, but we're not hearing about it. Well that could be true, because we've mentioned this. on the show. People say, oh the Muslims they never speak out, they never speak out, they just put up with all this crap and that's not true. If you really do some digging and you look at some websites, you go out there and the mainstream Muslim community has got all kinds of nasty things to say about the Salafists and the Wahhabists and all the rest of them and they bitch and moan and groan and nobody

2:27:45 cares to pick up on any of it, and they still we still just only listen to the CAI our operation which is corrupted and So we don't pay any attention. And to be fair, it's not like the protest music isn't being made, it's not like it's not happening. Of course it's happening, and there's tons of it, but there's this obvious segregation of the mainstream, and the thing that I like is we're slowly watching it erode and fall apart around itself. It's going to take at least another 10 years, unfortunately, but we'll still be around to see it. You see now they're eating themselves. We have this ongoing struggle where CBS is now, you know, we don't have CBS here. You know, CBS has taken off the Time Warner cable system, which means Showtime is gone. So they're all eating themselves because the whole economic system of advertising and money, and just the money system in general, is falling apart. You know, it's just falling apart. And at the end of the day, all that will be left is just the internet and BitTorrent.

2:28:49 And us. And us. We win! Yeah, we'll be standing amongst the rubble. We won! What did we win, really? That's alright. At least we had some good times. Good times. So I ran into an interesting... Not that I don't want to keep moaning and groaning about the media. Oh, come on. I ran into, there was a very rare appearance of John le Carré, the spy novelist. Which novel has he written? Which spy novel? A lot, well he wrote Russia House, you know the ones that made it into movies, Russia House, Tinker Tailor Soldier, something or other. Tinker Taylor told Soldier by Curious. Yeah, that guy and a lot of them. He used to be with MI5 and then MI6 and then he was apparently going to be outed by Philby

2:29:48 And so he said, ah, screw it, I'm going to go become a writer. And so he did. He writes all these fine novels. All right, here we go. The spy who came in from the cold. Famous. Yeah, that's his best friend. Famous, famous. The Deadly Affair, Call for the Dead, The Looking Glass War, Little Drummer Girl, Russia House, Taylor of Panama, Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy. And those are the big ones so he doesn't really do a lot of TV and he's and every time he does he says this is the last time I'm ever doing TV right so this time they tricked him by putting him on the radio, but filming it With a webcam? No, it was well produced, the video. It's on his website because he's got a new book out. But I listened to the whole thing, it was an hour. It's very entertaining, at least to me. And they asked him a specific question about how hard is it to recruit spies and why is it easy or hard or whatever. And he lays out a little explanation which I think was very interesting, but in there,

2:30:52 has a gaff where he he tells the kind of you know this leaves a little truth on the table and then corrects himself and then goes on with the explanation. The gaff is definitely interesting but the overall explanation is actually even more interesting. Is your proposition that we could in the right circumstances all be spies or is it as I had perhaps taken a bit from your work particularly earlier work a sort of type of person who's attracted to it? Well I think those There are all sorts of factors at fault at work. There are all sorts of factors at work in this country still. What did he say? He says there's all sorts of factors at fault. Huh? I figured those there are all sorts of factors at fault at work. There are all sorts of factors at work in this country still amazingly.

2:31:44 If you bang on the door of the average householder and say, I work for British Intelligence, we need to use your top floor to look out of the window, can't tell you why. Most people say, once they're satisfied by your identity, okay, go upstairs. Don't mess with my daughter's room or something of that. But we all of us instinctively incline towards the conspiratorial moment and quite simply, the patriotic moment. We do have it. So the Brits are very easily recruited and it goes right back to imperial times when we had the thin red line of the East India Company and so on. We had to learn to divide princes against one another and we lived in a world of deceit. Add to that the public school system and you have a complete conspiracy. Wow. Yeah, I just thought that was a great clip. Hold on. What happened? Should there be more?

2:32:41 No, that's it. You sure that was the whole thing? Yeah. Okay. He says the public school system, that's a complete conspiracy. Boom. Fini. I have a feeling that if I had had any type of academic prowess, which I did not, I probably would have gotten a recruitment visit. Yeah, probably. And now I think they're really happy. Like, oh. Yeah, God. God. That crazy guy. We dodged a bullet. Alright, I'm out. How are you? I've got some stuff on Africa that I would like to push to the Thursday show. Yeah, because you had a whole thing for the show notes which I put in there. Is this an economic hitman thing?

2:33:26 The economic hitman, oh, I did get some, we had a little back and forth going with the economic hitman who has some thoughts. Apparently him and his girlfriend, they don't like Russia very much. And so I sent him some clips of it. People out there want to have some fun. Go to Best of Russian Dash Cam Videos. I'll put a couple in there. In the newsletter I'll link to two or three of these, which are the best ones, which will You really have to be careful. Take some heart medicine before you watch these videos. This is where everyone's dodging a bullet, basically. Essentially, yeah. There's just cars being smashed and drunks everywhere walking across the freeway plastered. And then getting hit. Yeah, I love the trucks that overturn onto people and stuff. It's pretty funny. There was one, I have to say, in this one clip

2:34:20 which I actually sent to our friend. I swear, this is weird. It was like a big giant truck van. It was like a one-trailer van thing. And a little BMW, like it was a 3 Series or something. And the BMW lost control and somehow slammed into the side of this truck. And the truck flipped over and over and the BMW just sat there didn't even look like it was damaged. Wow. It should have been a commercial for BMW, it could have been fake. Whatever the case, we'll put that on Thursday's agenda. I think we've got plenty of stuff. Yeah, there's always stuff to talk about. There's a... oh jeez.

2:35:03 Well, let's play this here. Here's a little thing, a good example of this idiots that are out there, you know, trying to cause trouble and it's about the gay, the gays and then their protests about the Olympics and this is the boycott Russian vodka local story. Boycott Russian vodka! Protesters dumping a lot of Russian vodka in front of San Francisco City Hall today and they want all of you to know that you should be boycotting Russian products they say. Why? Because of new Russian laws that are anti-gay including one that makes it illegal to talk to children about homosexuality. These protesters took aim at Stoly. That's the only law by the way. But there's a twist here. The vodka company issued a letter last month

2:35:51 emphasizing the brand doesn't follow the Russian laws and it has even sponsored gay events for years. They won't anymore! So this is happening everywhere. This was, they were doing this when we were in Amsterdam at the bars there. I won't order Russian vodka! But of course everyone, every leader has said, and Stephen Fry by the way, who of course he posts an open letter to the Prime Minister in The Guardian. So here is the clearly on board with the program because Stephen Fry is an intellectual and he can read and he can certainly have someone translate the Russian so he knows that this is not a pure law that says if you're gay you know you're like Hitler however he invokes Godwin's law which looked that up in the book of knowledge that is ultimately the how you end every conversation just throw Hitler in and you end everything but let me say something about Russia

2:36:52 Russia the age of consent in Russia. This is from what I understand is 16 years old regardless of sexual orientation Transsexuals transgendered persons are allowed to change their gender legally Homosexuality not regarded as a mental illness like many other places not a criminal offense single persons can adopt children regardless of their sexual orientation try that in America it is not like a given and homosexuals can serve in the armed forces without any type of don't ask don't tell or any type of restriction you know it's this is this is a propagandistic move which really distracts you from looking at oh I don't know killing people with drones

2:37:39 He's drawing attention to Putin. Ah, did you see? Did you see what Putin did is a great video? He's so is his I think I says judo teacher is judoka died and he's distraught by this and so they have video of him coming out of the I guess the church or whatever and you know and they're ready to hold open the door to his limo and he's like no and he and because he needs to walk alone and And he's going to walk home to think about, to reflect. A limo follows behind kind of thing? No, no, you've got to see this video because they've, of course, it's obvious they've blocked off the street. So he's walking down this huge street, no one's on it but him.

2:38:21 Yeah, and then they've got the camera angle down on the street pointing up at him as he does a walk by. I mean, the whole thing is orchestrated, but it made him look like, you know, I'm reflecting, you know, I'm troubled by my mentor having passed. And it's like, really? I mean, do people actually fall for this? I bet they do. They fall for what we're doing here. So we don't want to listen in on your conversation. But here's my prediction. My prediction is, after all the vodka protests and everyone's like, oh let's boycott the Olympics, which is a big joke. The IOC has more power than the president. That's the biggest money operation, organized money operation. Oh yeah, you boycott these Olympics and you're never going to see another Olympics in the United States ever. No, no, you get shot is what happens. You boycott the Olympics. That's not going to happen. So I have a prediction. We're all going to change our Twitter icons.

2:39:21 Come on, come on, put it in the book. Well the thing is it what the prediction is if you could actually predict what what color pink? Pink yeah, but that's a breast cancer thing now, so that's been usurped well Maybe a new color rainbow no maybe we need to create like we need to create one that people can use we have to hand it to them a Rainbow hammer and sickle or some something like that. You know the icon changing. It's just a color They got to come up with a color color. Okay. How about a Moth purple mom puce Everybody we got the no agenda producers update coming up on the stream right after we're done here And we highly appreciate everyone tuning in thank you so much We love doing it support us in our value for value model keep us going There is some actual work involved in doing this go to Dvorak org slash na and coming to you from

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