Techno Boondoggle

00:00 And every time they catch him doing something like that, he gets another star. Adam Curry John C Devorah It's Thursday June 13th 2013 time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 521 This is no agenda Reading your emails so the NSA doesn't have to from the Travis Heights hideout in Austin Texas The capital of the drone star state In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where i can't even find my emails I am John C Devorah You know, I've really gotten into a squirrel mail.

00:39 the email Program of choice yeah, and have you do you have the most recent version running on your server? I don't know it's because you can do a lot of cool things like what we in there's a lot of customization And I know that it can done that no this all these plugins. What version is this which what's number let me see I have version I think it is the most Hmm, where do I find the version? I can't find it either on here. Uh... Introduction...? I know I could find that- I know I had the most recent one because it's on my own server so upgraded Why'd that's weird It should just say it here hold a second well doesn't say here so I can't under help no hmm

01:27 I can't find it. All right, I'll look on the server after the show But I'm like...I'm pretty amazed this thing is so lightweight and even though I really like keyboard commands personally It's pretty impressive what it does. It's not under help What's the number? I don't know what the number is No that's why I am saying it, asking it Oh, Miss Mickey just said yes she's right. She just texted me and said you haven't tweeted yet! Which means she's pissed because... oh what is going on here? Why would she be annoyed at all? I see what happened so all my Twitter has changed their whole... screw that So i think today is Armageddon day where everyone's twitter client that isn't approved just stops working

02:30 Oh, yeah. I just use Twitter on the web. Yeah no but i have a command line twitter which uh... which i always like just you know it's kind of running continuously and i can see stuff as it scrolls by its really nice version the TTY twitter or whatever its called. Hold on let me do that. No I don't use that. I did open Twitter though and DrKikiStanford. Oh my goodness! Did you see her with Al Gore? No. Yeah, she did a Google hangout with Al Gore and someone I tweeted about it and like because you know shut up already at science and if she wasn't for global warming oh yeah oh I tried to watch it John I couldn't even sit through it

03:18 It's like oh wow, there we go. In my entire career you know I have been following the climate for 20 years man Is that what Gore says? No! That is what Dr Kiki said What about Gore did he get to talk? Oh yeah no yes it was his thing and he's like it was him and Jeff Skoll the guy who did The Inconvenient Truth movie with him And then, you know some lucky people who were allowed to talk to the former vice president. This whole thing was just like there's a push right now There's a big push I know it I'm telling you we talked about this before and you know what my thesis is which is that they gotta get this done Before the numbers reverse yeah Exactly so here's uh... It's funny because I had just clipped Robert Redford and he's really pushing Hello? I am Robert Redford

04:08 Record-setting heat and drought, rising sea levels and severe weather events like Hurricane Sandy. You gotta look at this video it's in the show notes of course 521.nashownotes.com So first of all it was not hurricane sandy was not classified It was a super storm which is another cool new name But his video is just filled with big ocean spray crashing over roadways and it's just the whole thing is like you're going to do ocean is eating you alive Climate change is happening fast. No, in fact, it's not happening fast This is the problem We've got a stop making the problem worse and that means reducing carbon pollution from its biggest source coal-fired power plants Ah there It is it's harming our environment

04:52 And our communities and this is interesting where he actually says what is going to happen what we've discussed on the show Even so Congress has refused to take steps that would protect us from climate change The good news. Is that President Obama has pledged to act And he has the power to do it. We will respond to the threat of climate change! That's very interesting when you... What is he, a dictator? Well no it's the EPA The EPA can close down all coal-fired power plants that is what is going to happen Knowing that failure would betray our children and future generations Through the Environmental Protection Agency The President can require dirty coal plants To cut carbon pollution Dirty

05:39 Replacing dirty fuels with clean power and energy efficiency is going to create jobs, boost the economy and save us money. I don't think that's gonna happen! It's not gonna save us money... But it will protect us as he said from climate change now there's only one thing that will protect you from climate change That's right go to sleep Stay asleep. As long as you're napping, you are helping the environment That is that is the no agenda way just nap for humanity everybody

06:18 So can I ask you a question? Yes, of course. What makes Bill Clinton the father of the year? I saw that! Was he sharing coke with his daughter was that the deal? Yeah well yeah i saw your answer uh... You gave someone the answers what that is all about so I don't want to blow your punchline unless you've got something else going on No what did I say?! You said this is all just a setup to make his crummy wife look bad I think that was your exact words. It's true! Those two hate each other, they do this is his way of noodling her Yeah it's definitely a way to make his crummy wife look bad because she's obviously not the world's greatest mom This is exactly what you tweeted. I saw-I think I saw it somewhere but yeah and who gave? And it's funny

07:12 Track this story. I'm like, oh whatever But did you read it who gave her in the award and who does this and they got to clip here? Oh no No, not a clip. I'm sorry have the article hmm Bill Clinton was named father of the year by the National Father's Day committee Former leader was celebrated by family and friends for his accomplishments as a dad Right. Well they should have had more kids then, but I guess Hillary wasn't the motherly type. Yeah Meanwhile and then to insult her even more this was on what was this? This is on one of the news services New York Daily News To insult Hillary even more They have a side related article Ready? About Hillary Hillary Clinton joins Twitter She says she's a hair icon

08:12 So we have that, that's the comparison. And pantsuit aficionado? Yes so it is a comparison of Bill the good dad and Hillary the vain lady Well you know there is a scandal right now brewing around her quite serious one That I think is... well definitely involves her detail Her security detail, as CBS News reported engaged in hiring prostitutes anywhere while they were on the road and the problem according to the DSS Department of Secret Services and they're the ones that have oversight over the secret service said the problem was endemic.

09:01 So, it's like... Did you see this true whistleblower? Did you see this woman on CBS? No I missed this one. Yeah, I think this got snowed under and maybe a lot of the noise we're seeing right now is to detract or distract from this so this woman she is part of the Inspector General's office She's a member of the Inspector General's Office very frustrated that all these things they found in the State Department under Hillary's command uh... everything got buried they were told to shut up to drop it go away the interesting thing is that this includes a sexual harassment scandal yes hope when lesbians are harassing no no that's department of homeland security all but i think in blood yeah different apartment with lesbians woman looks like and and and i'm just going on totally generalizing totally i have no

09:56 proof other than she looks like a dyke. I'm just gonna be honest and say it, it almost sounds almost like jilted lover thing. I don't know what's going on but when I saw this report which has gotten no play other than the one report CBS did and I'll tell you it involves Pete O'Bear in Brussels. Aurelia Fadenosin was an investigator for the State Department's internal watchdog agency, the Inspector General We also uncovered several allegations of criminal wrongdoing and cases some of which never became cases In each case DSS agents told the inspector general investigators that higher-ups told them to back off we were very upset

10:43 We expect to see influence, but the degree to which that influence existed and how high up it went was very disturbing. Perhaps the most striking instance where agents told the IG they were told to stop investigating was the case of a US ambassador in a sensitive diplomatic post suspected of patronizing prostitutes in a public park The State Department Inspector General's memorandum refers to the 2011 investigation into the ambassador who routinely ditched his protective security detail investigators suspected to solicit sexual favors from prostitutes. Not only is he having sex with prostitutes, but he's asking for favors meaning that he is not paying?

11:32 I mean that's horrible. CBS News... No, I don't think that's what he means. Well, I'm just saying The ambassador was called to a meeting in Washington with Patrick Kennedy under Secretary of State for Management but was allowed to return to his post You have a lot of what we refer to as hostile intelligence services in that city um..I would be very surprised if some of those entities were not aware of the activities. So yes, it presents a serious risk. Yeah so this is Howard... Hold on a second! They didn't name the city but what do you think it is? I think its Moscow No no no, It's now known. Its come out since this. It's Brussels

12:14 Oh, it was all Brussels. There's a lot of hookers in Brussels? John! This guy lives in the palace in Brussels and Howard Gutman is the ambassador And I'm familiar with him because he's been on some Belgian TV shows. I tried to clip something, but you really have to understand the nuance of the Dutch language even though they spoke English It just wasn't worth it for the show But when he you know he and Clooney is hanging out visiting this pictures hanging out Yeah male prostitutes well the the rumors are that it's underage prostitutes

12:53 Males or females that is not clear. That is not clear, but the guy he was a huge Hillary Donor that's how you become an ambassador you see if you yeah, that's what your bundler John door who kept he keeps donating to the various He always donates to the wrong guy You gotta do it to the right guy But he wants to be the ambassador to France Oh, so he can ride his bike on the Tour de France? Whatever. Yeah this is what those douchebags want sorry. Guttmann, M-A-N... G-U-T-T-M-A-N Guttmann Howard Guttmann and he was a bundler for Hillary Clinton So they've really hushed this up and what I hear this woman saying is you know this came from all the way at the top in other words Hillary said shut up yeah shut up make it go away

13:46 And and I don't know it's just that had this a the whole thing has a dyke II connotation to it Supposed you can tell by looking at his pictures. Yeah, definitely He looks like he's creepy right creepy yeah? Yeah So there's a couple of links in the show notes where you should you should definitely take a look at that including said the interview of Gutman and his wife And the guy even says weird stuff in that interview like, you know yes well we sleep on the first floor. The security detail's not there but they wouldn't be disturbing us anyway we've been married for a long time. It was like what? What kind of bull crap are you talking about? It was really weird but anyway... He has a bad look doesn't he right?

14:36 But this is what's going on. This is a true scandal and it involves, certainly involves Hillary and no one can use that You know so who knows why things get thrown up all of a sudden this this seems pretty big CBS is like A six-minute report on this it was pretty good, and it hasn't gone anywhere. No you didn't hear about Fox would I didn't even hear of and I'm pretty I'm trying to stay keep my ear to the ground no nothing at all Nothing at all nutty Nutti interesting yeah talking about screwed up Politicians. I do have a, before we get into the meat of the show, I do have a drunk or not drunk... Oh hold on a second let's uh get our now we have to do this is a Pat Leahy. Who is this? Pat Leahy oh good old Pat Leahy you have to tell me what do you think if he's drunk or not drunk because he's you know chairing a committee here goes okay. Uh Senator Cornyn. Drunk!

15:36 And then Senator Grassley and I will give the last word, we'll have a roll call vote on final. Senator Cummings. First Senator Flake brothers. Hi. Just needed to file a statement for the record with regard to flake number three, the amendment to clarify something on it is that okay? Thank you, and that will be done. I also without while everybody's here without objection I'd ask that the Senate Legislative Council Be given permission to make the usual technical and conforming changes to the bill as amended Objection to that objection. Senator Coons? Okay, um no he's not drunk he slathered is what he is He's completely- Just play that little beginning again. He's completely obliterated now that the beginning is really good hold on a second here we go. Uh uh, Senator Cornyn and Senator Grassley I'll give you the last word. He's just tired

16:36 I've been watching the outgoing FBI director Robert Mueller is on the hill today being in one of this whole, you know we have to stop because what happens is we get some kind of scandal and then within a day everyone's like it's like what do they send? A memo out and everyone changes their calendar or did they already have all these hearings scheduled I mean, it's immediately like, oh! Come to the Hill and everyone is up there and everyone has got time. What are they doing all? They just waiting for the next scandal or something? Well they don't have to wait long No... no..I mean but you know it's just It's like wow that's all part of a big show And then turns out that as we saw with General Alexander their Führer of National Security Agency

17:34 The real show is happening today in secret. I also believe, you know we had this debate several times and Senator Durbin brought it up 2001 on and this is one now where we need to bring out because of these leaks the rest of the story, show what we do and what it protects the country from and have a debate. Does that make sense? And so in order to do that I think what we have to give you is the rest of that data. Tomorrow will put that in a classified session but the intent would be to try to get as much out public so everybody has information where they can and the reason why I hesitate here

18:22 I don't want to make a mistake that causes the statements that i have for our country to lose some form of protection and we get hit with a terrorist attack because I made that mistake. Or Muslims riot around the world, anything could happen! But what is he doing there at all if the real information is going to be in classified secret setting? That's insulting, especially after I watched two hours of that crap just to hear that there was another one today that we can't watch. If you have nothing to hide... Then why don't she just declassify everything? No one has anything to hide right?! Nah! Well he uh.. What is his first name Hamilton? Alexander It's Alexan- no it's George Alexander

19:14 Kyle George it should be George. George Alexander is a cool general General George Alexander Give me his name quick I don't know his name quick. It's the Why'd you consult the book of knowledge? Alexander maybe Adolf Alexander that would that would be snappy, but have a nice ring to it now we could call him Here here Jebus a chief yes What's-his-name Keith I told you was Kyle Okay, here's the reason I'm looking this up is because there's a real funny quote.

19:56 Which I think this guy by the way was the guy responsible for the original warrantless wiretap idea. Yeah, he's been doing it forever and every time they catch him doing something like that he gets another star Yes! I swear to God People should go to the Wikipedia page of Keith B Alexander and look at his medals One thing comes up in the conversation is why does he own a He's wearing all these braids and ribbons. And he has the Royal Norwegian Order of Merit Grand Officer Award. Is he wearing it? Yeah, these are the ones that he is wearing! Does it smell like fish? Why does he have this award?! Well... I don't know

20:42 Did you see the clip that our producer made for us of C-SPAN, of The Colin Show? Do you have time to check that out? No I didn't. Oh so this is... If you... You got a clip of the clip? Yeah of course I've got a clip of the clip. Before you go on it's like I gotta... Well its about him! It's about Kyle Alexander. In his statements to the public in July 9th 2012 he says we do not hold data on US citizens in this one here, March 2012. Those who want to read the story about that we have millions of hundreds of millions of dossiers on people is absolutely false from my perspective this is absolute nonsense! Do these guys ever get... if they're talking in front of Congress and they say stuff like this how come none of these guys get busted for lying? And Clapper would be one of them. Well here's Clapper- Lying both which is what- No no I'm sorry I'm sorry He did not lie

21:36 Clapper did not lie. No, no let's be very... Children and parents who are listening to this show you have a child with you right now under 10 this is a very important lesson about the truth and about lying from people who are in positions to be leaders of the country at large and of the community, and are an example for your children. So please kids listen if someone says you were lying And you know that you maybe kind of weren't something. Here's how you say it... I have great respect for Senator Wyden, and I thought though in retrospect I was asked a when are you gonna start stop beating your wife kind of question which is meaning not answerable necessarily by a simple yes or no

22:28 So I responded in what i thought was the most truthful or least untruthful manner. There you go, the least untruthful manner It's funny that clip. it's not funny its disgusting is what it is why don't they throw the book at these people? I mean they put Martha Stewart of all people in jail! Why aren't people outraged? Why aren't they in front of tracking this guy and waving banners in his face Because this is not really the message. This is not what the slaves are told to do This is not what is on television? This is now it's being televised and the people who are listening to this podcast you know they got jobs I had other things to do, this is what students are supposed to do as students are Lame on The Wall Street when I was a kid on the FLEs yeah go ahead

23:27 Was a kid we wouldn't put up with this no, no you did Kent State on the bullet on the C spans And I love it because they do have they do have a pretty good clipping System that you can use and you can title it whatever you want Which is pretty funny when someone then sends you to Lincoln says shill NSA shill calls up And this is indeed an NSA shill calls up on that morning call-in show, the Washington Journal I think is what it's called. Right where the guy calls in. Republican line! Independent line! No this is the Democrat line and this woman who claims later in her little spiel here that she has above top secret clearance...I want you to hear

24:12 people in your government not just feel about Kyle Alexander but worship him as she licks his boots. Numbers are watched, numbers are you know there's millions and millions of things if you see one tagged as linked to a number overseas that has been linked to terrorist activity Then they look at it closely after they go to the FISA court. At some point, people are going to have to trust that their government is full of incredibly responsible brilliant and trustworthy people like General Alexander which is why he is the director of the NSA and has been for almost

24:59 I think at eight years now, people are going to have to accept that there are super smart people that do understand our technology but respect civil liberties and will not be digging into their personal information. No, wait. Now okay so first of all... Unless they have to! You know it gets better so she's very condescending like there are people who do understand the technology oh I'm sorry let me just go back to my loser corner here because i don't understand the technology alright and why don't you tell me about your government? So this is the hubris and the insanity and of course they're incredibly smart people working in government and very loyal and patriotic people

25:43 All of them listen to this show, and we'll have plenty of that later on. But this woman... It is sickening to hear what she's about the say. The thought that the government has time to read your chitchat with your brothers and sisters is crazy! Oh! The government has no time to listen to your CHITCHAT with your brothers and sisters? That's crazy!! We don't care about you, you stupid slave!!! Isn't that what she just said? I would say that's a summary you could justify. It doesn't stop there! But Mary, on the other side do you see how some people would find this creepy and unsettling

26:30 You know, if they're not... I firmly believe and i'm a democrat through and through. No kidding? But I firmly believe having grown up in this world and still in this world and still exposed to the inside of what's going on which most people aren't the idea that the government would take the time to dig into personal stuff unless there was truly a very strong indicator that communication was tracked back to already identified problems. She can't even work her way out of her own bullcrap at this point

27:16 Well, a couple of things I want to say right here. We've had Benny who is one of the whistleblowers talk about this and it's been talked about before. It's considered a violation, a gross violation to discuss anything if you're an agency especially very above top secret with the media. She's either doing this because she was told to do it and given a script and given the okay or she should be fired tomorrow. Oh, she's doing it because she was told to do it there's no doubt about that and here can't Do what? She's doing And so if he goes on for like eight minutes But here is something very interesting and we're going to see I think one of our producers actually emailed us this I don't know if you were copied on it said you watch This is going to change

27:55 the way the military industrial complex works and now instead of contractors, because of course it's a contract is a big problem to contractor. No you see the contractor we have to deal with this issue which means We're going to be employing people full time. This is a, and so it'll be like deputization of they're gonna come up with some crazy thing that trust me on this benefits the industrial complex Some of our viewers, some of our Twitter followers have asked the question in an incredulous way which is... What does that mean? Incredulous way. It means what?! Okay. What?! General Alexander not know that Edward Snowden had access to all this. Oh my lord!

28:46 Edward Snowden is a tiny, tiny little actor in General Alexander's world. Oh excuse me! Tiny, tiny little... he's less than... Hey all you people working there as contractors or second... You got the clearances and all but you're a loser. Yeah yeah you are like you are less you are less tiny ant. Just know that you are less than the poop that comes out of the ants butt. That's how small and sorry for laughing about you, you little tiny insignificant peon you but that's how we feel about you here at the top!

29:23 I think that is, i don't know. I'm sorry im laughing but um... But thats what we do all the time! She's a terrible spokesperson she's blowing it yeah. She should fire her for being incompetent. By which he would get his clearance attached to the contract that he was on Now you hear this? Very interesting so the clearance was attached to the contract that he was on and they're going have to deal with this which means more money for somebody Which would call certain types of people with certain skills and they would be hired with those skills. And in his case, based on clearances that had been given to him in previous positions so he was able to get a job

30:08 You know, there's probably... that's something that really needs to be looked at. This is stupid what she's doing. She could have gotten out of that question. She has obviously gotten full of herself. She would have got out the question by saying well yeah because the question was how did he not know? Well the reason they didn't know is because there are 500 thousand people who have these sorts of clearances and there's no way knows them all Try to million. So what do you do? So when you're in it, then you just drop it You don't go on explaining it like this is idiotic so when this happens What are you trained to do or what is someone who was trained telling her to do at this moment Go back to the talking points Just dump out of whatever your dish. Oh she's you're right She's off the rails dump out of it go back to the talking point completely

31:01 We call it the insider threat. You're never going to be completely able to So let's just note that name. We call it the insider threat, stick that in the back of your mind I think that'll be coming up somewhere later when we figure out how to stop this. If you back it off just a second you can tell someone is talking to her because she's distracted and not rattling off crap anymore. Exactly. The souffleur is right there. Well we called the insiders. I have to go back a little bit more...I heard it too That really needs to be looked at, but you're never gonna completely... There it is. Insider threat! We call it the insider threat. You're never going to completely... Back to the talking points! ...be able to... You're screwing it up! Um... know what's in... She's totally like someone writing something down she's like um... Someone's heart in terms of if they think that

32:02 this process is bothersome. Back to the talking points! Now she's dumping them. That's a hard thing to sort of clear someone about, but that is probably something that's going be looked at more closely and we encourage independent mindedness and concern for civil liberties in this country and that's a really healthy thing There are the talking points But there's a balance and the president said that last week. There is a balance between security and civil liberties No, no i'm sorry there's no balance at all between civil liberties and securities or Or is there john because?

32:41 We have to admit words matter and we listen on this show very closely to what people said. As I was listening to General Carl Alexander, I heard him say something that I had to go back and listen to it three times to make sure I heard what he was saying. We need trained and ready forces. I think that is one of the most important things that Congress expects of me, of Cyber Command and NSA to, within the department to create trained and ready forces that are trained to a higher standard. Both on the defense and on the offense those capabilities that our nation needs that are trained to that standard they know how to operate lawfully to protect American civil liberties from privacy Really? We need to protect our civil liberties from privacy is that what he just said

33:34 Play it again, sounds like what he said. American civil liberties and privacy? Yeah from privacy! He's saying from privacy I'm quite sure of it. Lawfully to protect American civil liberties and privacy? Is he saying and privacy or from privacy? I think he doesn't know...I think he wanted to say and but from came out so it came out frammed. to protect American civil liberties and privacy. I'm sorry, I think he's what the heart is full of the mouth overflows with. Yeah, blurt it out eventually. It just happens. You can't help it. But you have to tell people... I'm going to say that you're a psychopath but I believe he has this very plotting character. I want to mention something about him that's mentioned in the Wikipedia page. Tell me if you find this a little peculiar?

34:26 Let me get to his education. American University, let me guess Georgetown? No no it's not that off the wall it's not that bad but West Point is where he got a lot of this stuff Where's the one here well that's interesting I must have moved into a different section let me see if I can find it again No, I just could go on. Should I do it? It's gone. This little tidbit is now disappearing! Alright well...I'm gonna get ready because I think with this next clip you just might have to award me and I declined it from the previous show. Oh now oh the old setup! This isn't t-ball Yeah it is! This is our Vice President known as Joseph O Biden in 2006 So this is

35:22 than Senator O'Biden under the George W. Bush regime, because let's be honest you need to call these things regimes like we do other nations and here is what he discussed when it came to the exact same people, the same players General Constance Alexander with illegal wiretapping and you just gotta love Joe I don't have to listen to your phone calls and know what you're doing. If i know every single phone call you made, I'm able to determine every single person you talk to... ...I can get a pattern about your life that is very very intrusive and the real question here is what do they do with this information that they collect? That does not have anything to do with Al Qaeda! And we're going to trust the president in the vice president of United States that they are doing the right thing Don't count me on that

36:16 Do I get it? Do i get it or not. It's not worthy, nah Here it is. Let me play that this I want you to just tell me what's wrong with this picture when I read this little Paragraph about his education, okay Alexander worked on signals intelligence at a number of secret National Security Agency bases in the United States and Germany I didn't know we had them all over the place sure he earned master's degrees in electronic warfare physics national security strategy and business administration from Boston University in 1978 ready yeah

36:54 In 1978, are you telling me you could get a master's degree in electronic warfare? Um... 1978. Electronic warfare sure when they had extension... What?! In 1978!? Yeah they had extension cords. Ha ha! Electronic warfare... That's electrical warfare! Oh ho but isn't electronic warfare isn't that wire tapping and bugs and actual wires running out of lamps and stuff Well it implies you know cyber crimes I don't think so. I don't, I don't think any... However.. I don't believe this existed! I think this is a hoax now did you what did you want no did you watch this uh this the C-SPAN thing with with this blue ribbon panel led by the biggest moron i've ever seen her name is Senator Mikulski yeah Mikulski she is a moron and well you think she's dumber than Feinstein?

37:53 She sounds just like Feinstein by the way. I got a couple of clips and so this is the opening of this, which not a lot of people saw and this is why we watch C-SPAN and just listen to what she's reading because she has no idea what she's talking about zero idea! The woman should be voted out of office and certainly should not be leading any committee that has anything to do with anything important She's a moron. I am opening a hearing on cyber security. Let me get, well, cybersecurity... We are going to examine the efforts to protect the American people from cyber threats. Don't you think she sounds like Feinstein? Yeah for plus 20 years. With the gravelly, yeah. Plus 20 years. Yeah she does. Our domains of dot mil dot gov and dot com. We gotta protect the domains John!

38:43 The domains of .mil.gov and .com, .edu.,org, pound sand bitches! We need to make sure that... Hey dot TV screw you! The American people know what our programs are know what we're spending our money for and also to make sure... And the grammar of these people, what we're spending our money for. What are you 12 woman? We make wise use of taxpayer dollars so that there are no techno boondoggles. Techno boondoggles! Yay! This is the kind of person I want to run in my country. We hope to make sure we know how to help the private sector and to protect dot com by real information, uh, real time information. Do you understand? I can't just let this pass. We must protect dot com. Okay. Is that like what are you the DNS guardian of the DNS?

39:44 I wonder how many of these people if you grilled them and asked them what DNS, even what the acronym stood for. She has no idea! But we must protect dot com is written on her paper and she can't even get through this thing whoever wrote it is a moron too A sharing about threats in helping the private sector develop the secure technologies we need Okay, so she got through that one. Helping the private sector develop the secure technologies we need. Whew! Good one. Can she get through another 50 seconds? We need to prevent hackers, nation states and criminals from stealing our cyber identities. Whoa! Hackers in nation states and criminals are stealing our identities?! Cyber espionage.

40:28 cyber sabotage, cyber sexing against our online commerce or critical infrastructure. Track and disrupt the tracker hackers track and disrupt the tracker hacker smacker don't I I'm confused! And prosecute them when possible. I have two goals for this hearing Oh, one is to get through this fricking opening First, i want to make sure that we protect the American people from cyber threats by working together across the government To protect as I said the domains of .mil dot gov and dot com I am telling you I feel extremely angry As an owner of several .orgs and .edu's, isn't the .edu domain important to this woman?

41:12 Apparently not. Well, you know all these people are crazy I have a clip here let me see if i can find it Can I just finish her up because its 20 seconds Yeah finish her and then I got just to follow-up Just to show the kind of... I've go more from this woman she's just nuts Then I want examine how agencies will use cyber security funding in the budget The administration is requesting over 13 billion dollars for fiscal 2014 In this very stringent environment, we're concerned about techno boondoggles. The government is often very good at spending money but we need to make sure that we spend the money well."

42:02 Blue Naval. I have here... While you're playing this explanatory nonsense, one of our producers sent me a clip from Mary Landrieu during one of these hearings and it's the clip is idiot commentary on Coke bottle and listen to this. I want to share this and then ask a question when i asked him to sort of describe the scope of cybersecurity in the challenge before us they said well senator somebody described it like this they said the Department of Defense is dot mil It's the Coke bottle cap, if you think about a coke bottle. It is just the tip of the coke bottle. The federal civilian government which is .gov is like the coke bottle itself and the companies and citizens which is dot com is the entire room that the bottle is in so while all the questions are being peppered right now to the top of this coke bottle

42:54 Madam chair the room that we're in is the battleground that we're fighting it. Yeah No, so what this is about? They're insane So I have two things It's a one-two punch for you here and so first I have this This moronic woman who really needs to be voted she just go home You need to stop go take all your winnings and go home senator Mikulski please She is going to say it. She's going to tell us right here and right now this is the entire reason for this, who no one gives a crap about if you're being monitored your rights are being violated This is what this is about Rarely has a committee had so much talent coming together

43:43 from both those of us from appropriations as well as the authorizers. And I love it when you just say that, You're all so talented! You're so talented really all of you up there your talented just talented. I hope our country has a sense of urgency we are already under attack this is the new enduring war There ya go end story That's what this is about. It's the new enduring war, the war that goes on forever! We're in a cyberwar every day Every time someone steals our identity, steals our state secrets or our trade secrets we are at war. We now see the growing nexus between cyber criminals and nation states hacking their networks planning disruptions of our business operations

44:34 Director Mower of the FBI said that cybercrime will eventually surpass terrorism as our number one threat to America. Well, there you go done it was the war on drugs It was the War on Terrorism now it's the war on cybercrime and this corroborates completely with the new report from Deloitte & Touche or as we often call them toilette and douche And the report, John is titled The Global Defense Outlook 2013. And here's what I love so much...the subtitle Balancing Security and Prosperity because that's what it is for the military-industrial complex

45:18 And this is, and of course this report in the show notes 521.nashownotes.com I would like to read a few passages from this because this is what this is about This is shifting... We've been on this tip we've been looking at this happening before our very eyes They tried to scare all the senators Like oh you're all gonna die cyber cyber cyber now somehow we've gone from You're listening in on us well we thwarted all these attacks By the way, I'm sorry you had no idea we're so talented. We've been protecting you and oh well you found us out! We've been protecting you from all this evil." And it's really... It all comes down to this

45:57 This report examines current policies, practices and trends affecting the defense ministries of 50 nations whose total publicly acknowledged spending on national defense accounts for more than 90% percent of global defense outlays in total $1.7 trillion per year Of which the majority that is United States And so they're trying to balance the problems with military-industrial conflict They have nice little icons this whole report is beautiful So the strategic realities have three difficult policy trade-offs. First, policymakers are grappling with a new balance between military spending and rising domestic demands for social services and austerity. Oh boy! What are we going to do? The slaves want like to eat and have health care... We can't have that! We need to build more stuff to go kill people so what are we gonna do well oh we also have denuclearization oh crap

46:55 and declining emphasis on general purpose forces, oh crap! But we have two icons with arrows going straight up. One is a little good dude with the parachute The rise of special operation forces this is your future Special Operation Forces JSOC And two cyber as a military operational domain that's really what this is about is transitioning everything to special operations and to cyber. And here's the cool thing, oh by the way if you look in America for every person we have in the military, the citizens of America spend $404000 for every single person we have an active service whether they're desk job or not just kind of shows you where were at and that's 10 times as much as other countries

47:53 That's a high number. It is an incredibly high number! In 2013 and 2017, the 2013-2017 period will be characterized by declining defense budgets in the higher income states – that's us – while lower income countries continue to grow defense spending and become more active in weapons R&D & trade So what this means is the defense industries need to go to poor nations who want to spend money on weaponry. This is what's going on, and of course the best ones are in Africa. Yeah we have to sell them stuff. We're in a period...this is General Tom Lawson Chief of Defense Staff Canada. We are in a period of tighter funds that will require us to look hard for new ways of doing things

48:47 What is he, the sales guy? Is he the bomber of selling crap in Canada? Significant investments in defense capabilities particularly as China seeks to solidify its position as a regional hegemon. Recent increases in China's spending are driven by structural and organizational reform of the People's Liberation Army." There is a race going on John and this is just a small part of it but we need to prepare the citizenry of America to be ready. Here from 2006-2012, the number of top 50 countries with special operations forces increased by 40%. The United States appears to be the heaviest investor in cyber capabilities. Yeah! Of course because we have the biggest bull crap about it. US defense policy now acknowledges that cyberspace is an operational domain...keywords and organizes units to exploit the full military potential this new domain

49:44 The US established Cyber Command in 2009 with a mission that includes full spectrum military cyberspace operations. The proposed 2014 U.S Department of Defense budget cites cybersecurity as a key priority area of investment." So this is what it's all about, this is what its all about. How come we can't get a consulting gig? And we could wear uniforms. Oh, and we can get little stars and stuff Yeah We get those little badges for Norway in whatever he did for Norway? I should read you this email... We got a fantastic email from some teenagers Put him the segment. Yeah, okay. Let me uh.. You do the segment now or no actually let's People are asking me not to do it because you know that the jingle is the one that Adams gonna read his e-mail

50:36 On the No Agenda Show. Essentially, we all get really stoned and come up with goals and mindless thoughts. For example... Just like the government! You want me to play the Pat Leahy clip again? Hold on! For example, we came up with, uh, The Jewish community is being ignored And banana chips are really good We came up with Yahweh chips

51:16 kosher banana chips with Adderall on top to help them focus. These meaningless, incoherent ideas are then taken to the next step as we sober out and figure a way to propagate them to the youth! We devised that we would host a Hebrew Origins Week over Twitter and simultaneously promote healthy eating within the next week when we would merge the two I've made our staff aware that if we are successful, this would look great on our resumes. We have around 20 followers and the Shill anonymous accounts that the staff has created have around 30 altogether mostly marketing folks who unfortunately believe the scam is legit

51:58 and clearly haven't visited our website. We are testing as an experiment on how stupid the teen public is, we're trying to see if it's possible that five stone 16 year olds can get away with elitist bullcrap using the same techniques as the elites! In a way...we're like a model United Nations except were actually working in the real world and aren't trying do the community any favors A current idea in the working now is how its combined getting Ariana Grande to suicide herself with getting Kim Kardashian deported We were thinking about going the same route as the government did with Muslims, get the slaves afraid of the gypsies. Any help from The Curry DeVoreye Consulting Group would be much appreciated please check out our website if you're curious doorconsulting.wix.com and I looked at it and these kids are on to something good John they're onto a really really good trip here and they have a hashtag how H-O-W Hebrew origins week to promote the healthy

52:58 Hebrew banana chips. I just spent time on that yeah well you asked for it It does get better though. It gets better Let's thank a few producers for doing today show 521 right on Starting with Lee Canyon at $521 a member of the five twenty one club nice joy Z Nice, he says that we're knocking it out of the park the last three or four shows I've been more and more impressed with the quality analysis But the recent segment by Adam about Adobe was amazing Amazing

53:39 The content of deconstruction the nature of the presentation made such an impression on me that I was compelled to donate Well, there's one again Adam kept his composure without losing. His passion did not sound like a raving lunatic Which given the subject matter is commendable? All I could do is think about more than a decade of computer uses of hearing everyone lament flash and acrobat being bloated always needing an update crashing or acting up All the while shrugging it off with a lame joke or hollow complaint as these products become steadily more ubiquitous. I got a sick feeling in my stomach, hit some buttons for the people and throw some karma. Yeah wait until after this... After we thank our producers i'm going to go down that hole for you one more time also while we hand out the button for Lee there and we really appreciate Jersey coming. Jersey Strong!

54:30 Jersey coming through for us. This karma also goes out to sir 19 inch rack who is in the hospital with some kind of breathing issue so but he's He he's in the hospital and he still brought his laptop to monitor the servers good for him Can you believe that? That's an American karma, he's Dutch Hey what's wrong with you Americans, but he's a knight I know. He's a knight, that's what our knights do. That's how much they care about us Daniel McInnes in Parts Unknown, 23343. I can't find a note from him anywhere. Oh wait... he also gave 240... oh okay 23343 is coming for some reason twice on here i don't know why so he's only the... we have two! We got the executive producer and him. Okay that's it That's more when George and Aaron I'm donating whilst on a moderate alert to Indian generic modafinil

55:33 Huh, so if you read any of this note please do so in a suitable provisional voice Whatever that is I think it's first listen to your delightful podcast circuit show 300 inspire me to create one on my own. You can go check it out at P o l s y m t a s calm he's in Australia yes New South Wales now. He does the long note but he does have a thesis that about the number 33 enigma. Oh, hold on a second let's just... For those of you new to the program we have been tracking the use of the number thirty-three for years now for decades and have always wondered what is the code? What does it mean this is a theory The whole thing is well anyway he's got it I'll read this in just little lengthy but I'll read it anyway because we are baffled by this phenomenon

56:32 He says that the first phase was the three starting with the Pythagoreans in 500 BC and further popularizes as the Holy Trinity of Father Son and Holy Ghost Next phase was the 13 starting with the arrest of the Knights Templar on October Friday, the thirteenth 1307 which I think is be gave Friday the thirteenth a bad name. It was described as unlucky to stop those outside of the Alambrados from using it. The thirteen was replaced by 23 with the signing of the Federal Reserve Act on December twenty-third 1913 and popularized with the phrase 23 Skidoo The 33 phrase commenced with the dropping of the first atom bomb authorized by Truman, the 33rd president. The USA is thirty-three minutes away from annihilation as you can find out from 33-minutes dot com

57:18 That was JFK's era by preventing the nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, pushed the world back to phase 23 until 1984. The 33rd governor of California Ronald Reagan and his 33 degree Mason friends pushed us into 33. He said... His theory which he doesn't believe is that you have a Did the code varying from 23? No, from 13 to 33 which means 43 is coming. And he says the 43 phase commenced on September 11 2001 when George Bush the 43rd president completed a reading from The Book of the Dead aka the Necro...

57:58 Mycon aka the pet goat although the 33 is still around and even the 23 it's the 43 you need to worry about any star in this movie should be considered suspect Wow okay so we actually we've been duped We haven't been. We don't even know what any of this is, all just numbers! It's 40 we need to be looking for 43 not 33. Okay well I'm gonna look at it in fact he gave us $233 and 43 cents making him suspect Yes okay so alright well that...I like that So alright now we've got it programmed in our brains were now looking for 43 as the number That will be the new magic number 33 is apparently passé Well you know there's another explanation for this

58:42 The 13, 23, 33, 43 continuum may be like a gauge of bull crap or whatever. And so when these numbers come up you can take it...you know you have to re-evaluate the context in which the number is dropped I'm just writing it down a gauge of bullcrap. Yeah, gauge of bull cage of bull crap So anyway with this there are only our only two producers for this show 521 want to thank both them But remind people we do have a show coming up on Sunday We'd like to get some you know some people to try and jump in here in the higher end And go to Dvorak org slash na channel of work comm slash na no agenda showing no generation calmness donate button there

59:24 And thank you to our producers in the chat room today, noagendastream.com and noagendachat.net Thank you to our artist Patrick Baus who delivered the artwork for episode 520 highly appreciate that check out all of the artwork at noagendargenerator.com and In The Morning To You John C Dvorak! Well in the morning to you Adam Curry, in the morning to all us ships at sea boots on the ground subs in the water feet in the air and also the dames and knights out there. we'd like you to help us propagate the formula. Our formula is this, we go out and hit people in the mouth. And while they're propagating their formula I want to mention something that's been mentioned in a newsletter and I've been doing it consistently which has dropped the noagendashow.com URL into comments on various blogs and outlets and if you can't do because they won't let you put any URL

1:00:33 Tell people to Google the words no agenda. Yeah, that's about all you need we have a lot of probably better and we have a lot of people who work in the alphabet agencies listening to this show and I don't think anyone is really technically violated the law but after I said hey how come How come we don't get people sending us cool powerpoints? I started to get some interesting emails. Yeah, and let me say right off the bat that I'd like to say that since we now know

1:01:09 that as a college dropout at the NSA you can get a $200,000 consulting gig in Hawaii. No no wrong high school drop out High School Drop Out! You can get a two hundred thousand dollar consulting gig in Hawaii I would like to sign up please Can I get this gig? This is fantastic talk about your techno boondoggle But here's a couple, I was going to read a couple of quick notes that i received from people about and sysadmins are the other group that are well represented. We always celebrate world sysadmin coming up in July again and we know that the sysadmins really keep the world running so I will omit names and in some cases I will omit the places of work but it will become apparent what we're talking about

1:01:57 Adam, I used to manage the voicemail engineering operations team at a large cable and internet provider. As part of that role, I was heavily involved with the guys that actually ran the switch side of things There were a lot of voice switches replaced during my stint and during every replacement we'd have folks from the FBI and NSA on-call monitoring to ensure they could tap in as soon as they were up The network side of the house was and is a bit immature with their monitoring so the guy's from the FBI or NSA would often say Hey, we can hear the phone calls again. Thanks! Good work!" and drop off the call before our own switch team could verify the switches were active We'd also sometimes see errant signals and start snooping to see what was going on only to find that governments were polling voice calls No warrant as when there was a warrant The legal team would give us a heads up just wide open I talked to the other big telco

1:02:51 cable and internet company folks as well, they said the exact same thing. So this is straight from the horse's mouth. This is another I got this short message just so you know the intelligence community considers text messages to be a part of metadata that something no one has asked up there on the hill all those smarties And I'm listening to Sunday's NO Agenda, and can tell you unequivocally that government agencies monitor and listen to phone calls. I manage operations at a very large ISP and used to manage part of our voice network The FBI had open monitoring of our switches It is often pretty shocking that they can tell us there is an issue or resolution on the voice switch before our own monitoring systems can send out a ping So the FBI is troubleshooting

1:03:41 And then down under, Adam I work for a telco in Australia. I'd rather not be identified of course But I say spying Telcos spying as a part of any install we do We need to provide taps for regulatory compliance Taps basically copy any data send it off to another router switch network This is probably not illegal in Australia but this is exactly what's happening everywhere the government has full access and I am unclear on whether they need a warrant. The whole regulatory group that looks after this stuff is rather secretive, surprise surprise! While I was working at the same telco, I worked on a project in the corporate space where we were listening on our call center traffic you know your call may be recorded the duplicate voice stream was sent to a server with software to analyze the call The software was able to analyze a customer's voice detect whether they were pissed off happy stressed

1:04:31 I'm guessing most of the time they were pissed off, as i said it was a telco and would not all be surprised if the NSA CIA whoever had more sophisticated software that looks for keywords along with particular emotion and raises a flag. And then there's one other thing about some new stuff but you know this is going on... It is rampant! It is completely rampant now here's something very interesting that I noticed just stuck in the back of my mind One of our anonymous producers said, you know check out this guy. This is the keynote at the Chaos Computer Club and I think this in the 2012 keynote and it's done by a guy named Jacob Applebaum

1:05:17 Are you familiar with Jacob Applebaum? No, never heard of him. So Jacob Applebaum and Chaos Computer Club is a German kind of like hacker computer club He first appeared on the scene in 2010 at the Hope Conference which is hackers off people earth or something and uh... there were supposed to be this is the height of wiki leaks are supposed to be a week he leaks keynote every thought i want our sons was going to show up and he shows up and he says hi i am jacob applebaum from wikileaks also the guy who is helped create the tour network which we live for disguise speak and so that or network isn't is created by the government that is the uh... wasn't not

1:06:03 Which department created the Tor network, John? I was under the impression that Applebomb did. Well but i think it's DARPA It was commissioned by DARPA But anyway So he starts off this keynote and something very interesting happens So the Chaos Computer Club to me is like family And it is such an honor to be able to speak to everyone here And it is ridiculous that they asked me to give a keynote I hope that i am not wasting 3,000 collective hours of the smartest people on the planet with what i have to say in the next 60 minutes. I want to start by thanking everyone that is in the audience for being here and for some specific people. I want to call out Laura Poitras who's this woman here next to the woman with a camera because she produced and edited the videos that we're going to see. I've been working with her quite a lot, and she's very inspirational wonderful artist whom I love deeply

1:07:04 I'd like to start by playing a video which is part of an art project we're working on that many people are working on and If we could play that first video, I think it would be a good way to start this off So then he goes on and shows a video Highly stylized video of the building of the NSA data center in Utah. You know, it's like what is it? What are they building or everyone knows the NSA data center with kind of obvious what they're doing but so done by Laura Poitras And if you look at the Snowden video... That appeared in fact it appeared just moments after we stopped the show on Sunday You will see then this is what bothered me I'm like that's you know The way they had the guy they shot him with a mirror in the background So he saw the back of his neck. Did you notice any of that John was that no? Yeah, well That's what we're gonna talk about a little bit about this guy because this is getting Fishier and fissure as you go so this will probably help a lead-in there at the end of that video There's credits

1:08:03 Credits are Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. So all of a sudden this guy comes out of the woodwork in Hong Kong, and this artist Laura Poitras who is involved with WikiLeaks has now done this highly stylized video. And she's curiously at 2012 MacArthur fellow... Curiously? This so we already know that WikiLeaks We believe is a CIA spokespipe essentially getting anything out there that is either someone who needs to be obliterated because they're not CIA or anything that helps the CIA, cuz the CIA runs the show. And now we have... so the whole thing that really bothered me about that video all of a sudden wow click! We have this known WikiLeaks compatriot

1:08:54 Who is I guess speaks on behalf of Julian Assange created the Tor Network, which is a government project Everyone said oh you got to use it. No, I'm not gonna use the Tor network The government created it how can you think that's great? Please don't email about how security is. Just as an aside, I've always been fascinated by the Tor network myself especially the nature of it and i think that you might be right about the whole thing being just a front where they just can easily track you because your in there. It's easier to track somebody into a network like that if you can get into it than it is to track the wide open web or wide open internet cause its just a mess

1:09:34 It's a mess. There is tons of information, let us take the people who think they are going to be cheaters and put them in this network and then we will just track them. Now I think they busted a few people along the way and somebody started questioning the Tor Network because there was a really interesting and I read about it, the New York Times wrote about this. Apparently they needed an excuse well how did you find someone if they went into the Tor network? And this article came out about their trick, they found a way to beat the Tor network, the government did. What was the way? Well they figured that they could see everybody entering the Tor Network and then if he gets scrambled in them

1:10:16 By timing the input and then the output because you could follow there's only a limited number of out ports of the tor network is not infinite and You could time to person going in And then when they come out at that exact at the same moment as opposed to the other people going in microseconds later, you could identify that this guy wrote this message That was their excuse. Right I mean it sounds reasonable but that sounds like a lot of work if you don't even need to do that, it just sounds like the excuse for digging people up right out of the middle of it He says here TOR was originally designed implemented and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the US Naval Research Laboratory. Now that's the origination of it

1:10:58 Alright, and you know and please do not email me saying Bruce Schneier said it's safe And you know you don't know what you're talking about because you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about I have not all we're doing is presenting what we've discovered Thank You thank you did you know no arguments necessary? I have no idea what I'm talking about but at least I'm not saying We need to protect calm But this Laura Laura Poitras that was like by the way if you work in fear I don't know that she's anything other than just some artist, but it seems to me that if i was an artist and I was working for one of the alphabet agencies

1:11:36 A good way to pay me would be through a MacArthur fellow grant. $500,000? Yeah 500 smackers? Yeah And so this guy... Tax-free by the way This guy pops out of the woodwork Tax free Oh yeah This guy pops out of the woodwork in Hong Kong and then Glenn Greenwald says oh let me think we need to make this an art project yes hold on one second let me call in Laura she's done great work with the WikiLeaks people You know, it stinks a little bit. There's couple of things that stink... Let's play the kind of uh well first of all let's play the there's something with Greenwool I have Tapper Jake had him on the show and there is a little kinda kicker at the end and it talks about Greenwool now in Hong Kong but lets play the Tapper clip

1:12:28 We have never received a blanket request or court order from any government agency asking for information or metadata in bulk like the one Verizon reportedly received. And if we did, we would fight it aggressively." We hadn't even heard of PRISM. Now I know that there are statements in that comment that Zuckerberg wrote that are One could one could parse for instance, okay? He didn't know it was called prism But that doesn't mean he didn't know that there wasn't a program But is there anything specifically in what he and the other tech companies have said that is not true just downright false Here's what our story reported. That we have a top secret document from the NSA that talks about the PRISM program and what it describes in its own words is direct collection of data from the servers of those companies so, we reported that We then went to the tech companies before our story was published, we asked them about it they said that wasn't true We reported if the tech companies deny it and there was a discrepancy between what the NSA claims are going on between the company and government And with the company claim. That stopped

1:13:32 That's not true. He is saying something, it is not true what he is saying There is a discrepancy between some powerpoint and document of which he has not released the entire document and what the tech companies say Very different I'm not falling for that Maybe it's because the NSA is doing it without their knowledge. Maybe because there are semantic games going on, maybe the truth is in between." Since then The New York Times did more reporting and documented the very extensive negotiations that exactly Mark Zuckerberg denied In which the NSA went to Silicon Valley executives and asked for full direct access to their servers They negotiated varying different companies gained varying forms of access but its still quite ambiguous I want American people and they should know

1:14:18 exactly what it is that the government and the tech companies are collaborating on, are negotiating or talking about in terms of turning over access to all this data that millions of people around the world use to communicate with one another to the US government. This should all be done in public not in the dark I don't think his mission is pristine Is that what he, that's what he wants? He wants the American public to know that the internet companies are spying or should we really just cut to the chase. I'm baffled by this whole thing Should we just cut to the chase that Glenn that's not what it's about What its really about is That we have forgone all our rights and that the government is just blankedly scooping everything up But thats not what hes saying Hes like oh you should be angry at the tech companies Why does he do this? Is he short Google

1:15:08 And it's very hard, you know. It is a very unpopular position to say that I'm not 100% believing the green wall is pristine and people get very angry Oh yeah no people love this guy And here's Eric Schmidt when he was still CEO of Google People are treating Google like their most trusted friend Should they be? Well, I think judgment matters. Eric Schmidt is Google's CEO If you have something that you don't want anyone to know maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place but if you really need that kind of privacy the reality is that search engines including Google do retain this information for some time

1:15:49 And it's important for example that you we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act It is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities. Oh, there you go There's no secret there Nope We know that the NSA has an entire division within Google and the court approved that to be kept secret So is their would they don't just want out tell us what they're doing? No secrets or what Is this really about What is it really about I did to me I don't know. Apple comes out with a new iOS 7? There may be some interagency warfare going on It has to be that, it must be And maybe they want to get rid of Keith or Kenny or whatever his name is Hamilton Well it's my understanding that... The guy has been in a little long and you know dude what happens when you get the head of an agency like that You just end up grabbing a lot of blackmail material

1:16:42 Let's be honest about it. This is what happened with Herbert Hoover, this is why they changed the law about how long you can stay in the FBI because essentially you could start building up a bunch of blackmail material that's what snooping does You can go to say oh Senator its interesting I wonder if your wife knows anything about this girl that your having sex with? You know, I mean that kind of thing. Well maybe if you voted this way it wouldn't be a big deal and we wouldn't be able to tell her but she might want to find out if you vote the other way. This becomes what happens and its up to...I think its a good thing if this is going on and they're rousting them getting rid of Clapper AND this guy Hamilton. Well you notice that the assistant director of the CIA resigned after 33 years

1:17:32 and President Obama has appointed a lawyer, one of his the White House counsel first time ever this has happened so now he has Brennan in and he had... The president is afraid of the CIA. He's like I'm putting as many people in there what are you? You're my friend right yeah you're in here take this chair is a woman and the Avril, and so she will now be the assistant director of the CIA in case Brennan gets off then she's...she pops up to the top. So he's building his wall of defense against the CIA and I think he's right to do it! I understand i'm.... The more I reflect on our previous episode the more I'm thinking dude is frightened! He IS! Well

1:18:22 Probably good reason I would assume over in Gitmo nation east in the UK There's a big fracas about this is their version of the NSA apparently has had the same access to the tech companies data and That there they roll out to their own version of Keith his name is major general Jonathan Shore he is the General of cyber douchiness And you thought we had it bad here in the United States, where the guy's got to come in and do a little dog-and-pony show on the hill. These guys just get to phone it in! Just phone in their denial on Skype. The problem is that people seem to regard cyberspace as some sacrosanct area where normal laws don't apply. This isn't true. Criminal activity is still criminal activity whether it takes place in cyberspace or whether it takes place in the normal public domains

1:19:13 and it needs policing, the intelligence agencies need to operate there to find out what's going on and keep us all safe. And clearly there is a balance there but if all the normal checks and balances apply we really shouldn't worry about it What are the normal checks and balances? Well I think you better ask an expert on that, not risk it on the today's. We at least have a constitution that spells it out! He says oh you should check someone who knows what is going with that but there are checks and balances... I heard him this morning explaining those parliamentary checks and balances, ministerial clearances but they're all well established and if people don't know about them it's not that they don't exist, it's just because quite rightly they're quite classified and kept secret by the government. So in the UK the checks and balances are secret? That's a good one! It's all checks and balances no problem we've got it under control here don't worry checks and balances is all secret but it's checks and balances

1:20:23 Poor slaves. Oops, okay do you have anything more on this because then I just want to wrap it up if you know but there are a couple of things that we still have to keep an eye out for which is where the rest of the slides? Do we know these slides or even...I mean the thing about Zuckerberg coming out saying we don't you know I'm baffling Zuckerberg's not the type of guy who would just be an out-and-out liar He seems like kind of a, uh... Autist semi-autistic in some way. Hmm. Uh he's not like a conniving character type I don't, maybe i'm wrong. I don't know but he doesn't seem like if this could be going on behind his back it you know they keep trying to oust him if nobody's not noticed and I think he was kind of oblivious when Mueller was roaming around the halls yeah I got the sense that well that's interesting what is doing here? What's he doing here? I don't think Zuckerberg runs much a Facebook

1:21:26 So who knows what's going on there. But it would be crazy not to use Facebook as a resource if I was any of these agencies, just the gold mine! Okay so here is the final bit that i just need to put out there and this is a continuation of my war against Adobe, the most evil company on the planet And I had some help from a number of people on this. So, Adobe as we discussed has of course Flash and they purchased Omniture for $3 billion. Omniture if you install Ghostory in your browser plugin You will see that pretty much on every single page

1:22:08 Omniture is being loaded and they load a node.js thing so there's all kinds of interesting stuff happening with omniture. Omniture is the big tracking company that all the advertising agencies subscribe to, and they have built a enormous data center in Utah on Silicon Slope Which is I may even be connected underground to the new NSA data center. Even Leo Laporte knew this So I wanted to find you know with these big companies and an Adobe for a company that You know just got you think they might just be making like PDF stuff And you know creative suite now, they actually have quite a big government arm It's called Adobe government

1:22:57 And Omniture, after they purchased it became Adobe Insight. It took me a little while but I got their Adobe Insight white paper as part of Adobe Government and I would just like to read this to you verbatim and you tell me that they are not marketing to government exactly what government says they're not doing so someone's lying. Adobe insight powered by Omniture accelerating government intelligence to the speed of thought This is great document by the way its all marked up in show notes The speed of thought, which sounds a bit like pre-crime. Government agencies and organizations need close to real time access to data as it's collected to respond effectively to issues that analysis reveals. Dedicated government agency analysis including those in law enforcement and military organizations perform regular intelligence analysis that are critical to the day today operations and stability of the country

1:23:57 These analysts assemble and process data from a myriad of sources that include open sources like the internet, and closed sources such as intelligence records in government databases. Intelligence analyst analysis To make sense of it all very quickly and convert volumes of raw data into actionable knowledge is vital to the nation's well-being. In addition, intelligence analysts must identify patterns and persons of interest from billions of raw data points they need to quickly combine cell phone

1:24:36 global positioning system, email and call detail records to produce valuable intelligence. And they need to explore vast volumes of data without the help of large IT teams creating a new view or cube from every new question that arises." Now let me just pause there doesn't that sound like this is exactly what the government is saying they don't do? A little bit, yeah. Every phone call credit card transaction and visit to a website creates a data point that is collected and stored in different systems Oh really? But that's what they say it's not happening

1:25:15 The issue is that the data is in a multitude of disparate data types, transactional data that provides information about events such as credit card purchases. And as an aside that comes through Adobe Mercado which is their transactional system they purchase this as well That is... A lot of companies are moving to Adobe Mercado which is credit card transactions at which they handle the back end for you PayPal does it as well of course the details of a cell phone call or an airline flight booking. There's also streaming data, or continuous flow of log-type information that follows movement such as a weblog that streams information on what a user is doing every page visited every click every item viewed and so forth

1:26:00 Lastly, unstructured data is constantly being generated such as blogs comments and articles discussion forums email other socially driven communications and commentary. Combining these disparate data types into one common environment for analysis is a daunting task but Adobe Insight is your partner! They are adding their tracking data of you to the mix and they're providing this service to the US government And they're not bashful about saying that do it either No, that's what you always find out in a white paper. That's what you found out when you dug up the stuff about vaccines being the best thing ever! Yeah

1:26:40 Yeah, that's a good piece. That is going to be in the show notes. Yes 521.nashownotes.com and it goes on and on there are all kinds of stuff but just look at them they are on this called Silicon Slope it's in Utah they're right next to the big NSA data center and yeah apparently according to people that have been writing us so they're hiring like crazy you want a job go move to Utah thousands of people thousands You know, we're still awaiting Adobe Primetime to slip into iOS. I thought that might happen on their announcement

1:27:16 Not everything catches on. Now, funny observation... So the new PowerMax? The ugliest thing ever invented? The little thing that will win all kinds of design awards? That ugly thing? Yeah According to one of my producers because apparently it's machined so it's not really assembled in America and machined in America And I believe Texas is one of these spots So I'm like, wow. Machining something in America is very expensive until you realize it has the exact diameter as a Hellfire missile. So they're just taking empty shells and excess... It's the exact diameter as a Hellfire missile

1:28:01 Hey, what can we do with these shells we didn't sell yet? What are you gonna do with this crap? Hey call Cook! Hey call Ives. We got a great idea. We got the machine shop ready to go it's all computerized. Got a great idea... I think that- what a mistake. I think is the biggest mistake ever. Can't believe it. Really you think its going to be great? They had to do something and I think this was a good thing so I wanted to uh- It said the Android Windows user Well, there's that. So back on to this character in Hong Kong, right? One day... There was a couple of things that came up I forgot to mention and i want you to play this clip and tell me if there is something doesn't stand out like a sore thumb when you listen to Bashir discussing Snowden and well you'll see play it

1:28:59 Or truth teller in Latin. Snowden says he copied the top secret documents from his job at an NSA station in Hawaii, working with defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton a company that's won billions of dollars in secret government contracts in the past decade Telling his supervisor that he needed to be away for a few weeks to seek treatment for epilepsy, he hopped on May 20th flight to Hong Kong where he's said to hold up seeking political asylum. Possibly from Iceland or Ecuador Snowden told the Guardian he has carefully considered the consequences of his actions

1:29:38 Would you mean the entire concept of having someone with that kind of access who suffers from epilepsy? Is that what you're referring to no, I'm referring to the specific mention of Ecuador and Iceland As places where he might want to go nice. They're wiki leaks wiki leaks wiki leak spots isn't any Possibility that this guy is being set up as a straw man to then End up in Ecuador not Iceland which is where you'd rather be if you like women But Ecuador cuz there's more women to to kill a songe. Oh I like that The guy was the special forces guy broke both legs supposedly right He's been trained to kill

1:30:30 Oh, this is a very interesting theory John. I like this a lot so he's... So the idea is make it really public and then maybe there'll be some... It's on the lam! There'll be some huge gunfight and he'll emerge and say, ''I really tried to protect Julian.'' Yeah, unfortunately that would work his head split my so here's what here's what we have to look out for in this guy's routing He you know he may be picked up by the Russians and then put in Russia for a while And then transferred to Ecuador because she's not comfortable in Russia whatever the excuse is and Then somehow Assange ends up going to Ecuador if the two of them are in Ecuador at the same time than Assange has done Wow good one now. I'll take that I like it. I like it

1:31:15 Meanwhile, but why why why would they have to do that? Why do we need to get rid of Assange if he's doing great Well, that's the question that comes to mind. I mean We have to watch this as it unfolds But what does Assange know what is missing from this picture maybe a sign still has those bank records someplace or that you know He was gonna blow the lid off the bank. Can you read book this please sorry and you need to red book this Red Booker Some we don't know about a song I'm sure of that or are they I mean this is too freaky this whole Assange story Who cares right okay? One other thing just to make sure that we know that Russia today is really up on on things The RT report just a little short flub Sorry not even acknowledged wait there's there's two RT report on prism. Okay, and there's two room. I'm glad I asked oh

1:32:18 ...and the Washington Post a highly classified program dubbed PRISM. Prison? What?! Prison! Priz- what!? Prison... Prison, WHAT?? Yeah. What did she say? I don't know. Let me listen to that again. ...and the Washington Post a highly classified program dubbed PRISM. Prism? Sounds like she's like a computer voice. Prison. Prison. You know what i mean? It's like I get the late delay told on the lame prison. I can't even pronounce what she said the lame RT report on cybertech is a little another gotcha in here I want to bring it up mm-hmm

1:33:01 After months of muscle flexing comes the handshaking. U.S President Barack Obama and Chinese president Xi Jinping will likely play nice for the cameras, but behind the closed California mansion doors at this first bilateral summit a tense talk over cyber espionage hacking and rules of virtual engagement Think of it as like the chemical and biological weapons conventions everyone can make those sorts of weapons but most countries agree not to do so or to use them in conflict. The same thing is true of cyber, everyone's got advanced information technology but we can agree perhaps not to attack each others infrastructure at least not start doing it

1:33:41 However, the U.S has repe Asian giant of widespread last week a report by the said nearly 40 Pentagon wea 30 other defense technolo to the Chinese military and government. US manufacturers have also accused China of stealing patents and designs of high technology. We're also clear-eyed about the challenges in cyber. Okay, alright this is a meme that keeps cropping up but I'm gonna ask you what do you think? What is the point of going through a rigamarole to steal

1:34:28 patents when all you have to do is go to the patent office and download the patent? Well this is a setup for... How do you steal a patent? No, you don't. This is a set up for the TPP it's just more trickery to make people believe that there's some kind of threat that doesn't really exist You can steal as a trade secret, but those things are usually under lock and key. That would be important. But patents are public documents? How would you... anyway you just keep hearing this. This was only one of about ten reports where I've heard the hackers were stealing patents. Yeah no it's... And you steal a patent! What patent do you want?! I can download it for ya! Hey what are you a terrorist!? You can't be like stealing... just downloading patents for somebody that's not okay John

1:35:19 Anyway, just a bug. Hold on we have we have a report in from RT then saw program known as prison Yeah This is this is just nuts this is just stupidity This is why people listen to us the best podcast in the universe because we don't fall for this gobbledygook Not falling for it play this play this interesting clip Impeach the President Report. Hmm. And of course, the detail there was how speaker...

1:36:23 That was in 2007 when they wanted to impeach Bush for not closing down Guantanamo, which was the big story in 2007. Why don't you close Guantanamo? Impeach Bush! Right I haven't seen that impeached thing since And for whose benefit is that? Is that just for the news helicopters or how does that work if it's a Meanwhile, only be seen from the sky Yeah, it's obviously for the news helicopters Meanwhile, there was on that same 2007 report where they kept calling for the impeachment of Bush for doing less than Obama's doing. There was this screwy story which is typical of this show and not our show but her show and most of the media it's a story that has really I don't remember follow-up ever and this is the deportation clip. This is a funny one

1:37:12 A prominent Muslim leader from Ohio was deported last week by the U.S. government and hasn't been heard from since. Fawaz Damra was the former imam at Ohio's largest mosque, the Islamic Center of Cleveland. In 2004, he was jailed for allegedly concealing ties to the Palestinian group Islamic Jihad. The U.S. government says he was deported Thursday morning to the West Bank but his family and friends say no one's heard from him since he was taken. Palestinian officials have said they don't know where he is. Dahmer's attorney also criticized the US for giving no notice prior to the deportation

1:37:47 Donner was not given a chance to say goodbye to his wife or three daughters who were born in the United States. I don't understand the point of this one? I think back in the day they used to grab guys out of prisons, put them on a plane and throw them out the door. Well sure! Just my thought. How's Nelson Mandela doing? He is hanging there because we do not need him yet. We got a voicemail from Nelson. No, did we yes? We did please help me Adam and John the bastards are trying to kill me Things are not well play that again. Did you like it here? I think it's really him Please help me other men shown their bosses are trying to kill me. I think is pretty decent

1:38:46 Well, explain what that is. That's Nelson Mandela saying please help me Adam and John the bastards are trying to kill me You didn't understand we were saying I heard what he was saying but is that okay? Let's notice it that slide as a anomaly. That's obviously Nelson Mandela Oh man did you see just lighten it up for a second did you see the It was the Japanese human rights ambassador This is a great clip What's his name? He date he de key who'd wait. I think is a name They're on some human rights phone call or as a conference call this is not and He says something and unlike someone within his rank Snickers have you seen this no check to play it certainly Japan it's nothing the middle age

1:39:42 We are one of the most advanced country in this field. Don't laugh! Why you are laughing? Shut up, shut up! Why I am laughing?! Okay... Shut Up!! You got it clip of the day right there Really ahh.. I wasn't expecting that That's very kind of ya'll I will accept it cause' I think is pretty good Here we go So while were playing these kinds of things Why are you on the phone? Shut up. Shut up! I'm listening, I'm watching Parliament and somebody has the wrong mic turned on Oh boy... it's not good And they bring out some poor guy who is injured They roll him out in a wheelchair He's trying to talk and meanwhile these... Some of these... I don't know what side of aisle this was but there's some snide This guy says that this is weirdest thing that has nothing to do with anything

1:40:42 Oh, okay. You guys maybe should work the mics a little better but just play it and tell me you don't think it's a little odd Chinese direct investment into the UK all of this is welcome and we need to see it grow even further Jim Dowd Thank you Mr Speaker We'll need Prime Minister confirm that he understands No no no thats the wrong clip It says Parliament Yeah I know The one you want is uh where was it? Mike Fowlop Oh, sorry. In Parliament. What?

1:41:31 Some guy who I don't know who he's Mike and they roll out this wheelchair guy And this guy makes this comment from airplane. Just don't call him Shirley. I didn't hear that at all Oh, you'll hear it now listen that whole clip was very difficult well It's because it was miss Mike that was the point right? It works better with video No There's no video no it was the same thing it was like what they didn't have the camera on the guy late again You really want me to love this don't you? That sound like that guy from CNN the British guy who's always doing like travel things yeah

1:42:16 Okay, so that's and that's not meant to be caught on mic is what you're saying that one's yeah call me Shirley I Have not but here's a question for you just kind of more a media question. Oh In in the United Kingdom because someone actually asked me this about the Netherlands and for the Netherlands I was able to answer their question, but in the United Kingdom. Where are? The true alternative news sources like where are the podcasts coming out of the UK I mean yeah, I subscribed a couple of RSS feeds from blogs and a couple people doing things writing some stuff but like this Jimmy Savile thing is like it's rampant how you know police were abusing children protecting brothels being run out

1:43:10 Killing guys. I mean just it's killing guys off the boat It's insane what is going on there and no one is like outraged There's no where's the yelling in the screaming has it been locked down so tight that if you start a podcast and say hey everyone here's a bunch of pedo bear a-hole murderers that you get bumped off or what is happening why Why? Where is this possible Wow get bumped off. Yeah, if somebody comes over and works you over just gives you a few to the gut And then you go do another podcast that two guys come over give you and even though the British press The newspapers are reporting on it They do it in such a way that It becomes like whatever You know what? I mean is like the headlines are so big and soul yelling and so loud There's no real analysis

1:43:59 What's going on and and of course this you know, there's all the celebrity stuff on the same page You can't take anything seriously It's very weird to me. And I remember living there and I remember The feeling I think probably I do remember the feeling of how I felt so uneasy all the time That if just the whole everything there is one big ball of bullcrap Everything that comes at you from the BBC and from the newspapers is all just a lie and it makes you feel sick It really does. I saw Dave Jackson, School of Podcasting and I was interviewed for some Canadian thing he says, I don't watch news, I listen to No Agenda so that's what everyone should be doing if you really want to get some kind of news and figure out a little bit what is going on in the world stay healthy Well while we're on that we might as well hear the biggest shouting session I've ever heard on Parliament To me this is the highlight of Parliament

1:45:01 play this clip and you hear the speaker go nuts. Chinese direct investment into the UK all of this is welcome and we need to see it grow even further. Jim Dowd! Thank You Mr Speaker, will the Prime Minister confirm that he understands the importance of the creative industries to the economy in this country? And that they need to be buttressed by adequate intellectual property rights but is also aware that his Intellectual Property Minister that horny-handed son of toil, the fifth Viscount Younger of Leckie... The fifth Viscount Younger of Leckie recently told the Culture Media and Sports Select Committee in relation to Google

1:45:47 I am very aware of their power. I am also very aware that they have access, for whatever reason to higher levels at number 10 than do i. Is that not a disgraceful comment by the racist government? Order! the gentleman's question which refers to a distinguished constituent of mine suffered from the disadvantage of being too long prime minister well i will say they have better reality shows in the u k that's for sure but we always have three memory play these we don't plan that much as it tends to be like this uh... that these are scripted completely scripted and we had one of the uh... forgot who was it was a

1:46:35 Somebody in the Blair administration. It's all it's all scripted Yeah, no you someone whose questions are all scripted the Prime Minister and writes is one zingers after he sees which what who will be picked right? Well I think it's sad because you know here in America we have complete freedom and we have people like our friend Reverend Manning Oh That's our producer from so I you know there was that we did a little story on Or we had doors Amy Goodman was embarrassed on c-span with somebody said she's like anti Israel essentially yeah, and there's an interesting story that you probably haven't heard the nukes in Israel clip on The Democracy Now! show

1:47:33 Israel's drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons. This according to the Times of London The paper is reporting two Israeli Air Force squadrons are training to blow-up an Iranian facility using low yield nuclear bunker busters The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945 when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to 1 15th of the Hiroshima bomb." The Israeli Foreign Ministry denied their report. Oh, weak! And according to... uh.. the way I see it says that report was from 2007? Oh no you keep doing this to me stop that

1:48:16 You're tricking me. Obviously the foreign minister was correct this is bullcrap! You're tricking me John, we have to make a pact you can't be doing this unless you have to announce it I mean I played Joe O Biden and this is This by the way is a mainstream media thing now where the mainstream is now pulling Obama's 2007 campaign promises. I know that clip, in fact I wasn't even thinking of clipping it but I decided everyone has heard it a million times We need to thank our producers John we're a little bit behind today so let me get right into that. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda Imagine all the people who could do that Oh yeah that'd be fab On No Agenda morning

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1:57:12 People always admit going to Australia mate. You know like everyone's like a Paul Crocodile Dundee they must hate that so much I don't know we've never heard anyone complain except this guy no, no and I'm been there I've been there, i know. And it starts slowly picking up the accent. I'm afraid to go back really... I think its going to be so disappointing because it used to be so awesomely free and you know.. I was there when they still all had guns. Oh yeah those days are over. It's all gone now. Ah yes! Oh man my ears hurt. Damn that doesn't happen often What happened?

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2:01:06 Happy birthday from your friends right here at the best podcast in the universe So while you were talking, oh we have no knighting. No, zero. Just remind everybody to go to Dvorak dot org slash NA. There's no knightage whatsoever but that's okay because... Well well you caught me off guard with the non-reported scandal of the guy, the Belgian ambassador which apparently nobody is picking up on. There's another thing that's brewing that in Bosnia, I think they're holding it at abeyance. In...Bosnia? Yeah the new and weird Bosnian crisis. Oh okay.

2:01:51 The Bosnian parliament was blockaded by parents overnight, angry at lawmakers' inability to agree on the registration of newborns. Since February babies have not been given birth certificates in a row over number allocation between the different factions in the country Hundreds of young mothers and fathers gathered yesterday, blowing whistles and shouting slogans sparked by the case of a baby that needs to go to hospital in Germany for stem cell treatment. But since she has no documentation the infant cannot leave the country. The baby's mother spoke of her frustration

2:02:29 We've asked for an ID number from the municipality, but they told my husband it could not be issued. They said they were willing to help but there was nothing they could do It's another example of the ethnic divisions within the country since the end of the war in 1995 central authority has been weak now a temporary measure has been adopted by the government which unblocks the registration process for six months until Hopefully, a new agreement is reached explain this. I'm not exactly sure what's happening it did they still a split country and it looks like I think all hell is gonna break loose just

2:03:07 indication of yeah well that's where everything stems from. This used to be Yugoslavia was part of it when I was a kid, right? This is so balkanized now I don't even know what were they Bosnia Herzegovina Yeah the whole bunch of them anyway They can't deliver birth certificates because there's one side says it has to be this birth certificate, the other side says this. Got it got it And so they've got a bunch of kids in limbo so if somebody has to get out of the country for some medical treatment they can't do it The whole thing is ludicrous Because you have no papers By the way Can I just say something? Is Bosnia-Herzegovina...is that Europe now? Yeah I think so Then they shouldn't need papers to travel then its a bull crap report No not full, I'm wrong

2:03:52 So here's the deal, this bugs me by the way because I first heard this when i was in Spain when I went to see a protest taking place where all the people in the protests had police whistles and they were blowing them loudly. Yes we've discussed this right? Yeah I'm going to discuss it again. No sir! And so I had these...I listened to this clip you can hear people with the police whistles but when you hear a lot of them its very creepy I mean it really gets attention from everybody sounds like to whore all hell's breaking loose. It is a very good technique in the United States you can't do that, you can have a bullhorn when they did the Occupy thing nobody could bring out of bullhorns so they came with this stupid mic check which was funny but it was still admitting that what kind of... What is this? This is like the country has been denutted

2:04:42 to such an extreme that you can't have a police whistle and you can't blow it in protest, you can't have a bullhorn. You can't yell into it in protest... And then they have the free speech zones which I can't believe people put up with when they had the conventions! They put everybody in cages off to the side where nobody would see them This has gone too far Okay what are you gonna do about it? Nothing I got nothing to say. That's all i can do is what I do, I complain. Is the police whistle illegal? Is that the truth? There something that bus culture has something to say about it. I don't think so. That doesn't make any sense! We're just not inventive enough. Well this being used the whole world over... You know another one that's being used the whole world.. Actually its not being used as much as it should. Naked women. No well that too but

2:05:35 I've only seen this in a couple of protest photos, and what you do is have a sign that looks like a cartoon bubble. It's round and it has the little pointy thing at the bottom, and when you hold it up and have it pointing to you... And then you write stuff on it. In cartoon font. I like that! And when people take pictures of it, It looks like a bunch of cartoon characters saying stuff and its very entertaining You can have a lot of fun with that Nobody does it Our protesters stink We have spoken about the whistle thing and I believe we at one point talked about a no agenda whistle? And I don't know why that shouldn't be brought...I think it's very effective Its incredibly annoying to listen to

2:06:23 And by the way this I saw it scroll by in the chat room and we didn't even bring it up on the previous show No, it's not going to be illegal to annoy a cop in New York. That is not what the legislation says It's so stupid that is not what it says you can't hit the cop That's what it says you can't annoy him as a part of annoying him hidden. That's what if it's it's a stupid law but okay There must be a reason for it. Okay, here on September 14th 2012 New Yorkers blew whistles Thursday in protest against the police. So the idea is that people carry these whistles all the time and then they just blow them and there's some big fat woman blowing a whistle in the photo. Speaking of no agenda premiums I tested the brand new 33 bag at the market on Saturday. I never got my 33 bag! No, I got the bag and took to the market and works great

2:07:16 Is it a good market bag? It's a fantastic market bag. And I'm not sure what the deal is, but is Noah Jenenation going to produce them or what's happening? I think so yeah... But I think we're gonna do and he probably will sell them in batches of 10 or something like that for people want to give him away and then we'll just get like 50 of them each and we'll just give him away Yeah They are kind on the flimsy side Are they too flimsy No Not at all They look really... I'm gonna get my bag first. They look really handsome. No, Miss Mickey agrees. Looks good though! It sure looks great with that logo Oh by the way tomorrow John we are going to our interview Yes sirree The big interview this is it This is for voice over work or CIA? You're gonna work as an agent? No this is Miss Mickey's interview with the Gestapo To see if uh were legitimate and she can get her green card

2:08:16 This is the one. So this is where they test... Now, is this the Gestapo or the SS? The SA? Which group is this? The shirts are brown regardless Okay, so there's a brown shirt and an SA. Because this is the one where we have to They're going to test us To see if were actually married or not So you have to bring like wedding photos And then they've questions Actually I have a list of some of these questions If your interested Of course Let me see, we have a lawyer because you know we had to get a lawyer. Oh yeah no if you don't actually I think they'd arrest you and throw in Gitmo so our lawyer oh stop stop before you say anything before I'm gonna forget this...I got a box from Gitmo yes i got a box from the big-ass blonde it was the big ass blonde that sent you the box? Yes with a T-shirt a challenge coin and a card yeah! I didn't get a card well

2:09:16 You have, yeah well I'm... Let me go look back in the box. I may be wrong. I'm tight with B-Guys Blondes. But I keep in the boxes it says Gitmo. It's got a postmark that says Guantanamo Bay! I know. Thank you for bringing that up because I completely left the box on table and so I hadn't seen it and then talked about isn't that kind of her? And its like the radio Gitmo T-shirt Yeah, like rock it. Well they have a radio station that why wouldn't they I mean you could broadcast the Gitmo and Cuba They got three stations It's like 101 point 3 102 point 1 and am all talk There's so many people so much running our show on that station no kidding how popular would we be she tried to get us? To broadcast live from there But there was some I know there was something somebody didn't like

2:10:01 I can't imagine why. Those two guys, they're getting on my nerves! So here's the type of questions this is from our lawyer who has been doing this for a number of years and by the way he had a pre-call with us says let's just talk about this I just want you to feel comfortable and he went through this whole thing we were on the phone with him for an hour so at what point do we start talking Russian because it was like we're in Russia with all that he says Adam Russia is easier He says, and ever since Boston? Oh my god. Immigration in this country has gone apeshit because you can't get anything done everything is no... Here's some of the questions How many lamps are there in your bedroom

2:10:46 How many end tables do you have in your bedroom? What is the color of your sheets? How many televisions do you have in your home? Do you have a stove gas, uh, stove gas. Is your stove gas or electric? When did you meet? What's the location of your first date? Who drove to the US immigration office today? What time does your spouse leave- Wait wait wait wait wait wait I mean, okay. There's other ones like... whatever you can say anything it seems to me but who drove to the immigration office is a dipshit question unless... Trick question! Why is that a trick question? Because they'll throw that in to see if you stumble Stumble about what?! You drove?? Yeah That's if he didn't come together you see so if you came separately because your shamming why don't you say you came separately and see what happens

2:11:41 Yeah, that's a great idea. I don't know! I ordered her from the catalog she just showed up. She's a Russian star! But it's really... What is your spouse's best quality? How do you answer that? Just as a theoretical, would you say... I asked Mickey. Low jobs would you say that? This is my answer of course! But we went through these questions and said let's just do them it was kind like the honeymoon quiz. And I said what is your spouse's best quality? And she and Mickey said he's incredibly smart and loyal. Like hey wait a minute

2:12:27 This doesn't sound right. Loyal, hmmm... It's kind of weird. We should probably be in and out in five minutes Well give me another question How many friends and relatives attended your wedding? Did you have more than one ceremony? Be prepared to discuss You did have the ceremonies, you have to admit it now. Yes of course we did! What time is your... We got married in Vegas and then we got married for real in Amsterdam. We got married for REAL in Vegas? Yeah for real exactly And then we got.. which no only WE have the pictures of Vegas How often does your spouse speak with her family who does he or she speak with the most what color's your spouse's toothbrush I wouldn't answer that I couldn't answer that No I couldn't answer that in a million years You might be deported

2:13:28 Yeah, it's questions like this. So anyway... It's no wonder people sneak into the country! It's no wonder! It's a crazy process Aren't we in immigration land? Isn't that the whole point? Make it easy for people to come in? I think they find the whole thing distressing But we got no skin in the game Not much of a skin that's for sure Euroland things are not going well in Greece First of all they've shut down the public broadcasting station Did you catch that? Yeah, I thought that was great Wow

2:14:06 What is Mickey? Are you still testing the high sound maybe it's still on and somewhat hurting. Oh no, no dear No that's not it my glasses are hurting so I got a clip test by been sitting down for a while want to play it because I wanted see if you can spot the irony In the way they present this story. And this is like, you know... This is your warmest kind of piece. Although it's not about global warming It's about energy and it's called... The clip is called The Slow Plane Slow play okay, and what am I supposed to be looking for here? You're gonna spot the irony Okay, actually the idiocy the idiocy if it is a good name for show the idiocy and the irony ladies gentlemen It's time to listen and play the idiocy or the irony. Here's the

2:14:56 A plane powered only by the sun is making another slow motion flight. The solar impulse, which runs on batteries at night took off early today from Dallas Fort Worth Airport bound for St Louis at 33 miles an hour. The flights expected to take 21 hours this is the third leg of a cross-country journey designed to promote renewable energy Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute there was a math thing in here that didn't sound right It's doing 33 miles an hour and how far was it going? It was only gonna take 21 hours. It's like from the... play it again at the beginning, I think its going from Texas to Chicago A plane powered only by the sun is making another slow motion flight Solar Impulse which runs on batteries at night took off early today from Dallas Fort Worth Airport bound for St Louis

2:15:51 33 miles an hour. The flight's expected to take 21 hours this is the third leg of a cross-country journey designed to promote renewable energy Okay, I mean the whole thing is dumb. It's just dumb as that stupid flying bike everyone has been posting about We have a flying by this way later here's what here's what kills me This is to show you that we can do renewable cheap energy Yeah it's taking 21 hours To go a short drive you could make the drive yourself Yeah. Does anyone find this ludicrous? It's gonna take all year to go across the country and this is a good thing?! I skip all this stuff, and how many people have tweeted me or emailed me the link of the flying bike it's basically it's a drone copter with a bike strapped to it whoa boy that's gonna solve traffic are you stupid

2:16:51 People really get stupid when this kind of stuff comes up. Oh, it's an electric plane and it flies on batteries at night I know the dumbest thing ever and by the way battery technology is only improved by incremental amounts of it battery technologies all pretty much 19th century 200 year old technology that has not been improved upon except for just fine-tuning a few things getting in new membrane. We had electric, in fact the automobile industry started as electric cars. There was a lot of electric cars there was steam cars, electric cars and gas cars the gasoline cars won because you could go further and they were essentially more reliable

2:17:39 put more fuel in them. When the batteries went dead, what did you do? You're done! Yeah if you go back and look at the history in 1903 I think it was that far ago maybe 1901 even there was the horse-less carriage It was an electric car And uh... I think Elon Musk was running then too yeah he's old guy totally old guy Hey things are not going so well actually in uh... in Euro land We have plenty of bad stuff happening. The worst thing really outside of Greek, the Greek public television being turned off is you know they've been trying to sell this is it's so disgusting They've been trying to sell as a part of the troikas demands some other assets like the energy company was a DEPA and these guys are so arrogant that they said nah no one bid on it

2:18:39 800 I think was 800 million euros let me see if i have the target was originally set at 50 billion euros in 2010 but has been reduced and what were they trying to get for 900 million and no one bid on it so they're just waiting until this thing I guess until someone says like here we'll pay you to take it and then the Russians come in Gazprom did not bid Did not bid. And the thing is, it has an actual value It's listed I think it still listed on the stock exchange in Greece The Russians want to get for a song Remember we talked about this This is the Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund This is the same way that they when they reunified Germany It's the same thing and all of the assets are just going to be sucked up by the weasels

2:19:33 But they're really just like, you know we got a lock on this thing. No one's coming in This is our puppy We're just gonna wait and run it all the way down to zero They don't give a crap And no one sees it However, I would say there's two big developments going on right now in the world and both of them involve the Chinas And I think we can see some Terrorism activity in Nicaragua pretty soon. I think al-qaeda in the Nicaraguan Peninsula That'd be good that aq n a qn that is because Nicaragua has given the green light to a Chinese company to build a canal and

2:20:16 And this will of course compete directly, if you go down south a little bit with the Panama Canal. Which is our project... So I'm thinking and funny enough I see today a bill was proposed Senate Bill 1136 to authorize the extension of preferential tariff treatment for certain textile goods imported from Nicaragua so someone's sucking somebody off But I would say the easiest thing is just to say we got some terrorists going on and what or maybe we let the Chinas build it and then, and then we go in. Yeah, let them build it. You know I think it was either Nicaragua or Guatemala there was some place in there that was the original site for what became the Panama Canal but they moved it further south even though it was miserable to build it there because of some vested interest and the trick that they used because Congress had to decide where they were going to build is somebody released a stamp postage stamp, good story, of Guatemala or Nicaragua wherever this

2:21:18 with a volcano going off. We can't have that! Oh my god, those volcanoes are blowing up we can't build it! This is good well we need to look into the history of that that's kind of fun I like that. It was very fun so so then I'm sure this is the old route or one of the old routes that was predetermined to be easier to build on because it was flat and didn't have all these issues? Yeah, and they had in Panama was like a big rock. So now it's really happening There's green light and the China's are in how many years what's the what's the press the years? I mean you're gonna take I just gotta tell ya think is not gonna be done until 2018 let me check 18 five years yeah It's taken almost 10 years to build this stupid bridge here in the San Francisco Bay Area that goes ghost to goat island from Oakland

2:22:05 Let's see, the Chinese company HK Nicaragua Canal Development Investment Company Limited is working with the Nicaraguan government on the canal project. Experts say it could be 11 years. Oh so it would just be the same amount of time as this dumb bridge? Except... The short bridge they're building. This is 130 miles of waterway! So $40 billion dollars but then here's the next project I think this bridge costs more than that. The next project is, I think we're also going to see Al-Qaeda in Ethiopia. Well, I think they are already there! Well... but they're gonna start some terrorist activities because and this has to do with the... This is very interesting. This is Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan now what did these three countries have in common? Egypt, Ethiopia... Are they on a list of that?

2:23:02 List of places we're gonna take over? Well, I think well Sudan is for sure. Yeah no Ethiopia's not No and Egypt of course were already in Egypt remember when John McCain after We installed the what's his name the new guy new guy we installed a new guy McCain went there with all the CEOs and all like yes my corner office is over here And I'm gonna build here But, you know, Coca-Cola everybody's in. We're like oh yeah great Egypt is rocking and we're here baby bitches! But Ethiopia seems like they're gonna be a little problematic because they are doing a deal again with our friends the Chiners to build a dam...a hydroelectric dam on the Nile, the Blue Nile and this is upstream from Egypt. Uh Oh Yeah uh oh was right

2:23:55 And so what's his name? Oh, come on. What's his name the Egyptian dude? Morsi is it Morsi? Yeah So morsey I love Morrissey Yes a more see in Egypt there the mopey guy comes out and says don't worry There won't be a war over this because no one can afford it yeah Okay if our Ethiopian right now, I'd be getting into cave Because we got some hellfires incoming you will not repeat not be building. No dam that is going to block the water downstream because the basin will empty out and You know who's sitting there in Egypt waiting for this water cuz we need it for our I had to dump our aluminum in or whatever from whatever We're gonna beat our fluoride from the aluminum his American interests

2:24:44 Yeah. So I'm just predicting, put it in the book... No he said that for the specific reason of saying- That was an announcement! It was like we're not gonna be spending the money on this war yeah you can't afford it but if America does A, its their business. That's good so just I think we need in the red book we need Al Qaeda in Nicaragua and al Qaeda in Ethiopia Can you put that into a book for me? Put it in the book now And how about that Boston? Any other places you think they're going to be cropping up? No, those are the two for this show. Did you see... I love this! So gee Department of Homeland Security now admits that they had a drill planned for Boston with backpack explosives. What are the chances John? Coincidence? I think not! What are the chances?!

2:25:40 How is this possible? It's astonishing. Yeah, I'm asking the same question! I mean it's funny because this happened in London with the bombing on 7-7 they were doing a drill with the exact same locations 9-11 there was a drill taking place and that's why NORAD didn't know what was happening...I mean it's crazy how these coincidences just drive me nuts. How does it happen So the Egyptian Independent reports, the expert says a Ethiopian dam will damage Egypt's water supply. Yeah! It'll deplete it to zero The Grand Renaissance Dam would be a great harm to Egypt. Zawri said that Ethiopia failed to provide sufficient blueprints and studies to support the project accusing it of denying Egypts historical right to the Nile

2:26:37 Now according to C Mike, now this is the Chinese right? Yeah the Chinas are bidding on the project. They're making trouble AQHOA is Al Qaeda in the horn of Africa yeah you know see Mike I don't like that this is not... No it hasn't caught on no when people stupidly like oh you know what you're talking about dude it's been around for eight years but this is not how it works in the media okay we have to have al-qaeda in the Ethiopias that's how Americans remember things And then we go horn of Africa's Horn of Africa. What? We don't even know what that means where's Africa come on man if I can have that Ethiopia because then we can go about the Ethiopian because we've been shown pictures of starving yeah Exactly and then you know, what's gonna happen, you know, it's gonna pictures are starving kids Oh You've got some

2:27:40 Clooney gets to go in. I like the fuzz tone on that one, eh? Yeah, isn't that nice? That's a good effect. Clooney gets to go in and get to hug some of those kids who are skin over bones with flies on their face. I like the flies... Right?! Yeah! They walk over there eyes... That's a great video. We did well on that one. And we're laughing about this because it is exactly how its done. It's exactly how it's done. So sickening This is interesting, something called the Global Child Dental Fund. There's a lot of bitching and moaning about fluoridation of water and I'm certainly one of those. I am against it. I'm pretty sure it's not really to help us with our teeth

2:28:31 I think it should be elective. Austin fluoridates their water, we won't drink it and I hate the fact that have to shower with because it gets into you all kinds of different ways and the main way the fluoride gets into the water is a byproduct of aluminium process and other industrial processes And I found this – someone sent me this because there's so much pushback. The World Health Organization now supports a new program which has already been implemented in China, Peru, Thailand and the United Kingdom and that is fluoridating the milk. You can't have raw milk but we can have this? Yeah! That's right. You can't have raw milk but you can have your fluoridated pasteurized milk.

2:29:20 Is that nuts or what? Yeah, it's pretty bad. The Alliance for a Cavity-Free Future... Why are people falling for this? It just the way it works they got documentation they have papers They got papers I think if you buy a paper falling on us here is falling for this You this one woman there's a woman on Fox who just every time I hear and she great something I gotta get was it the five on Fox this woman is a is just a work just as though you were if you finish reading the Nazi book yet no I'm not done now well miss Mickey came home we've been busy huh

2:30:05 So anyway, you should read the book. It's actually quite good I'm about 40% through it It's just that I've had a little setback but i'll get there...I mean its'a great book! I'm loving it and Actually brought up with Mickey I said every single time like I do what YOU DO so imagine we're in the late 30s here sitting around the table in Germany What are we talking about? How was your day honey? What is going on anything happening? Yes exactly what would be doing And then we'd be saying, hey did you hear about they beat up a bunch of Jews? Yeah. Really? Really some Jews. They probably deserved it and some gays. They probably deserved it I mean... Things have not been as this is the best we've ever lived! We're living it up here and so something you know there's these bullcrap stories I don't know why people just the communists they're trying to ruin it for us I mean that's the kind of conversation you'd probably have That's what would happen yep for sure

2:31:01 So you have this one woman, Andrea Tonteros who is a fill-in. She's never on the show The Five but when Gilfoyle is not there to show off her legs they got to bring her in and they don't by the way show off her legs In fact when Gilfoyle was not there to show off her legs They stopped showing off legs because Dana Perino she... No, no, no You don't want to see her legs it just not good What she doesn't she's doesn't so this is this girl's kind of cute. She's let me see she's brunette She's very she's actually kind of good, but just till you see her as talking you just see the evil it

2:31:37 Oh yes, I know who this is. She's got a pointy nose and devilish eyes... This is the way she commonly talks when she's evaluating the situation in any situation whatsoever screw all your rights, screw humanity and just go with complaining about the Democrats and just listen to these idiots I just would love to know how the left expects us to go after terrorists and keep us safe, right? So if they're not going to acknowledge a war on terror. If they don't like drone strikes. If they don't like enhanced interrogation and now they're going crazy about this surveillance program How do they propose that we go after terror? Apologies, bowels, drone strikes and legal intercepts. Flatter their pottery skills and tapestries." She'll be the first one on the list will be cutting her hair off after the war That by the way is a terrible person very esoteric joke for people who only really understand what that is

2:32:36 You have to be reading this book. Yeah, then you know about cutting the hair off of the collaborators I say that's horrible It's horrible. Oh there's a funny picture photoshopped of her head on a naked body That's pretty funny no yeah It's a bad shop job let me tell you that yeah, and it is horrible this I'm seeing increasingly This whole balance between security and our civil liberties and our freedoms, and fine. Fine

2:33:14 Do as you must say is you must put yourself in a freedom cage right the free speech cage and Take your whistles away get the bullhorns out of there And then put yourself in handcuffs while you're at it, and that'll settle save today We'll get through these terrorists that she's so worried about they're so many of them that we're buildings are collapsing as we speak Well, you know of course because of this all of this stuff. We were safe. We've been saved save from many many calamities She used to work on Capitol Hill where she served as the press secretary to Republican leadership. Oh, okay... She was responsible for helping draft and execute the media strategy for the Republican majority back when. She also worked at CNN's Crossfire for former Reagan pollster Richard whoever. Right. She likes crossing her arms under her boobs for the picture and pushing them forward it is a well-known trick

2:34:11 Is that what she does? Yeah, I'm just looking at it. And I know this...I know how this works. The Andrea Tantaro show. Please. Pathetic. All of them are pathetic. It's alright good no one watches. Unfortunately actually people still watch Fox. I mean they would think- Fox is the one who has got at least some ratings. So Pat Caddell, who is this guy who was on Fox I think he was on Neil Caputo Is that weird-looking character that used to be a Democratic pollster and he became a Republican or independent pollster? And he's got like eyeballs that go every which way and he's got a beard. He's a really crazy looking guy

2:34:48 Now you've seen him. I think he was reintroduced into the scene by Beck when he was at Fox. Anyway, Cadell has some interesting numbers in terms of some polls... polling that's been going on recently and he thinks that there is a huge, and i think that he might be right, a huge divide between idiots like this Tonteros and the public at large that is being completely ignored by everybody I would say, he doesn't say this but i would say it's being ignored by everybody but Rand Paul who is exploiting this hole. Oops sorry don't know where that came from He's exploiting the hole in the donut As an assertor we're not listening to your conversation 68% of Americans said they believe the government is

2:35:33 So they're that cynical, that jaded. They want everything. They have taken what the political class in Washington doesn't understand... There was an article on Political Saturday saying interviewing some establishment pollsters saying oh if the government gets a pass because security uh-uh all of this has conflated your point on the Saturday thing. People are so far away so much further than to the political class but take that Rasmussen number let me tell you the stunning number subnumber in there Among people who on the Brasmussen Index classify as mainstream America, the 65% or so of the country 69% have opposed this. Among the people who are in the political class, 18-20%,

2:36:17 71 are in favor. That is a 101 point difference and yet everything we hear from Washington is how this okay? We're seeing a breakdown politically, and you can see it in the alliances where you have Dianne Feinstein with Saxby Chambliss and McCain's all these people say oh this is wonderful good The Wall Street Journal writes for the program they oppose Obama The New York Times its favorite newspaper has been I doubt it anymore, saying he's lost all credibility on this. We have something going on and it is now a new political cusp. So what you're... What I'm hearing here is that the propaganda machine is no longer working?

2:37:01 That's what it sounds like. Or there is a secondary propaganda machine or the public, like they do in all states where you have oppression... They just don't believe it anymore and they're getting very upset! No I like this. This is good. This is very good. This is the unicorns and rainbows that Mickey always wants and I'm told-I am very happy. You and I have talked about this I do believe that we are speaking to the majority of minds. They just haven't found us yet No, we are in fact our opinions and our deconstruction In fact this show is if you took the public and everyone listened to it

2:37:40 the majority of people would be on our side of the argument, and the minority would be these politicos that this crazy woman on Fox that we just ridiculed a minute ago. And all those so-called political class because they're involved with... They are a minority opinion about everything! Oh, we need more drone strikes! What kind of person would come out like this Tantaro and say drones are great? They're killing innocent people left and right?! But I was a sick person to say this.

2:38:26 And what people will say is, you know I'm actually not that far off from your views on the show. You said oh you mean just like no agenda? No bull crap don't kill people That's a good starting point Yeah it seems like a good starting point So propagate the formula Have you done a Horowitz show because i have a question for you guys I did not do this week because I had to go pick up yeah I had to go to airport Because The Federal Reserve Is doing something weird Surprise, surprise. I have a note here this is the actually the Chicago Fed how many jobs do we need every single month in order to be going to be creating jobs? We need 150 to break even okay so you have to go over 150 because it could just replace... Sorry sorry people dying No no it's one fifty.

2:39:27 I have here in front of me, it's in the show notes you'll get a copy from the Fed. Front page of their newsletter... what is that newsletter called? The Newsletter It's called The Newsletter. The Federal Reserve has indicated it will maintain monetary policy accommodation until the labor market has made substantial improvements Given that unemployment remains relatively high A substantial improvement in the labor market will require well above trend job growth According to our analysis, job growth of more than about 80 thousand jobs per month would put downward pressure on the unemployment rate. Down significantly from 150 thousand to 200 thousand during the 1980's and 1990's We expect this trend to fall to around 35 thousand jobs per month from 2016 through the remainder of the decade Do you know what this is saying? Yeah that means people are going to die faster

2:40:20 No, it means that the actual number of jobs available that would affect these numbers because people are off the grid essentially is going to drop dramatically. Meaning there's gonna be this gonna be worse than worst in terms of homelessness and bums on the street And people have to be rounded up and sent the camps. Yes, maybe there is I'm not gonna go there because I know it's bullshit But wow that's not good isn't that crazy These estimates rely on several assumptions notably about future labor force participation at immigration as participation Yeah, but does that mean that less people will immigrant will come to the country?

2:40:59 No, I don't think that's it at all. It says future labor force participation and immigration Okay here i'm looking at shadow stats And people should check this out always, every once in a while go look there. And now we're seeing the official unemployment rates of the bull crap ones, the U3 and the U6 shows good gains where working is going down... Everything's great! We're all good! The shadow stats one which broke away in 2009 going in the opposite direction is now headed to 25% solidly Yeah so I think it'll get there as even looks at

2:41:35 It'll get there in one year. So all they got to do, but this is great for the numbers if they just lower those numbers then it will look like unemployment goes down? Yeah it's like the drug companies lowered the number of what you should have for cholesterol and their sales go up because you've gotta take more of those pills This doesn't sound very good though with what they're saying here No that doesn't sound good to me No, unless you want riots in the street. Good luck with that! I think also saw maybe was the shadow stats guy and some other analysis He's, you know American manufacturing jobs of course. You know there's a cross he basically had a chart I wish I had all look for it see if I put the show notes is a chart of The manufacturing jobs going down like off a cliff but then the other side there's this rocket of almost hockey stick curve of A line that goes up which is food services

2:42:34 Yeah. I was listening to a discussion on this the other day, most of the new jobs that are being created are being created at fast food. Quiznos you get a job there and you get a job... it's all minimum wage course. There is Chipotle. Do you get free food though if you work there? When i was in college, I think I had a part-time or a job for awhile at Taco Bell And yeah, you get free food. Did you work at Taco Bell? Yeah I did. Did you work at the window? No, I was the cook in the back. Oh! Spitting in people's food like... Yeah totally Really? I bet it is true too. No, I didn't do that. That thing is rude. Ah well okay The only things I have left are Let see... oh I have some scare-the-people with Al Qaeda stuff

2:43:36 Okay, see other people that finish with scaring the people. I'm not gonna do that No, I'm not gonna do that because you know no because now on the last show I really messed up We'll give you the choice and you called it properly last time Do you want to scare the people with crap al-qaeda stuff or? Toure on us do you want to raise rant that is that actually I have to say I feel really bad because He may be right. And he's probably right, it's just the way he says it is just... Wow! Kind of divided. I have no... I'll do neither. Not you're right. This a tough one- Hold on a second! No, alright. I'll do neither. I think its better we just leave it. We are on an upswing. Um..I want to end in a positive note. Let's blow this joint. Yep. Okay. Hey There will be no blowing if anything without me involved okay?

2:44:32 I want to end on a happy note because our producers deserve that. Thank you all very much for sending... Oh, wait! I got an upbeat story? No you don't. Yes they do. Kid never misses school clip this will make everyone feel great. I'm warning you Dvorak New tonight hey we need some positive local news in our lives A young boy is being honored by his school for not missing a day in six years. We're talking about six years. So, Brandon here is your shout out and we weren't the only ones who wanted to say nice job! The post was really popular on our Facebook page this afternoon and this evening. Wow you must really like that mac and cheese? You clean the plate! The kid wears a top hat I know yes everybody that is the media that is talking to an ever decreasing minority

2:45:44 And for some reason they still have all the money. It's fascinating how it works. I don't know how it works, I don't know how they do it Alright so we will be back on Sunday with more analysis More deconstruction Delete Adobe products from your drive That's my recommendation You're gonna have to deal with a GIMP John I'm sorry Not dealing with a GIMP You're gonna have to deal with a GIMP because you just can't be using this stuff What do you think the chances are if you try to... now that it's all in the cloud, that your creations are not looked at? Huh? Huh? Speak up.

2:46:34 Coming to you from the capital of the drone star states Austin Tejas in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C Dvorak we will be back again on Sunday with all this stuff. I just promised you right here on no agenda adios mofos The best podcast in the universe! Shut up. Dvorak dot org slash n-a