Do You Think Believe Feel?

00:01 From the river Thames to Silicon Valley, all across this vast wasteland known as Gitmo Nation, coming to you once again from the United Kingdom in Guilford where it's a beautiful 30 degrees centigrade, first beautiful day we've had in weeks. I'm Adam Curry. I'm John C. Dvorak here in Northern Silicon Valley, also known as Gitmo West. Or is it East? Are we West or East from you? I don't know. It depends on which way I'm looking. No, it depends. You go the other way. Yeah, true. It's true. Let's just call it Gitmo West and I'll be Gitmo East. Hey John, how you doing? How's the weather over there? It's been so nice here today. I'm hoping you got something. Well we had a boiling midweek and then the fog rolled in and now right now it's completely overcast with our marine layer. So I don't know, sometimes the classic pattern is they'll burn off by about noon or so but this looks like it's going to be just a cold day.

00:53 I'm sorry, wasn't it really hot earlier in the week? I mean like small? Yeah, it was boiling. It was like hitting, you know, 90. Yeah, I heard you complaining about that on Tech 5. Yeah, well you could hear the sweat coming off the microphone. Yeah, speaking of that man, I hope you got a lot of the emails I got about you and your pistachio nuts from last week. I got one. But I didn't have any. I don't know what that was. I wasn't eating anything. I didn't notice it, honestly. At the beginning of the show I was finishing a sandwich or something and then, you know, but I didn't eat throughout the show. That guy's crazy. And I don't eat pistachio nuts. It was a couple of... wait a minute, there's something really... is maybe... oh, I see my num lock is on. That'll do it. Fuck, I hate that. No, I must have gotten ten emails.

01:39 from people saying hey man like do they not have your email address is it so hard to find out how to email you? I got one. I got a email that's all I need. I don't need to be hounded like you do. Thank you. I've had a really long interesting week if you're interested. Oh, well, you would know we have a number of topics to discuss. The only one I have to discuss is why I don't think Obama's electable because I mentioned it to my Twitter army. But, um...

02:15 But obviously we have more interesting things to talk about. There's a lot to talk about. One thing I wanted to say is, there's this flu going around the UK and it's on the continent as well. And it's like a 48 hour, it hits you in the stomach and then it makes you sweat and you get a fever and then it goes to your back and your legs and then... Well, the old stomach flu we used to call that here. Yeah, exactly, stomach flu, that's it. So we call it yeah, but it's not one of those long drawn-out ones. You know it's like really stomach flu is always fast Yeah, so I had it on Tuesday And then Patricia and Christina both had it on Thursday luckily you know so I kind of hobbled along because Wednesday She celebrated her 18th birthday, which was an absolute blast we had a great fucking time

03:01 your wife yes indeed now christina of course and we uh... graduated yes i shall and she uh... history uh... of a good friend of ours owns this uh... but it's a case for the largest nightclub complex in surrey the whole county uh... but it's in gilford and uh... so he has you like uh... is like as a nightclub that is got no separate like 3000 person nightclub and he's got a pole dancing. Is he a mobster? No, no. He's got a pole dancing place as one part and then this other one, Bar Mambo. So we were allowed to use all of Bar Mambo with staff, with bouncers mind you. There's nothing like, it's so cool when you do a birthday party and so everyone has to have, you know. And you can work over your guests. Yes, exactly. It was amazing. It was so much fun because like 150, 200 kids, this is a big deal.

03:53 But what's cool about these British kids, John, you know, it was an 80s party, so it was supposed to be 80s clothing, and a lot of them came in... What is 80s clothing? I'll tell you, this is the choices they made. So like Breakfast Club, remember the movie? Yeah. So kind of like the linen suits, but a lot of them had... It's interesting to see what the Brits then portrays, okay this is real 80s Americana and it was all like geeky stuff so a lot of them had big horn rimmed glasses on and pocket protectors and suspenders. All the stuff from the 50s. Exactly. Well I think it was on vogue a while in the 80s and a lot of them had you know like a... Yeah it was on vogue as a retro 50s. Exactly. Well history repeats.

04:41 A lot of them had like Olivia Newton-John, let's get physical type outfits. It was really funny. 70s. That was in the 70s, true. But that was kind of the gamut that they came from. Yeah, because the 80s have no theme and so everyone just was a mess. Well, shoulder pads and big hair. A lot of people had that as well. But also we had a band and they played a whole range of 80s and when you listen to that, that also was quite diverse. I mean you may think it was all kind of the same but really from Michael Jackson to the Rhythmics to some of the 80 hair bands, there was a lot of different music in the 80s. Honestly, there's a lot of this people joking about the 80s

05:26 and uh... i think it's uh... that's not fair of the eighties when they create well they were definitely cool for you but i i i don't see the eighties as a distinctive decade that has a lot of style it now it but it's not that that's what Well, maybe that's the point. It was a weird decade, but musically there was a big shift, a big change that went from this 70s disco, we passed through kind of the punk phase, and then we moved... For me it was kind of like Duran Duran, a lot of the English you know, Depeche Mode. So we kind of had that and then that got very highly... Right, the techno stuff. And then that got highly, highly commercialized. But a lot of what happened in the 80s was really the development of the skills of using computers to create music. I mean, that's really what the 80s was, I think.

06:19 Yeah, I'm not going to argue that. It just seems to me that of all the decades, if you wanted to have a retro party, you know, I'd do the 20s or the 30s or the... not the 40s so much, the 50s for sure. The 70s has a possibility. You got the hippie thing, it'd be more interesting to have the peak science. John, when you celebrate your 18th birthday, I'll let you choose the theme. Don't worry. We'll get a 20s band in for you. That's not like I'm critical here, I'm just saying. I don't see it being interesting. But the bar must have been cool. The bar was cool and so we carded everyone so if they were 18 or over then they were allowed to drink and of course it was a free bar so that made for some... I think we had our first puke around 9.45. God, free booze! Yay!

07:10 But, it was not a Sodom and Gomorrah. And all these British kids, it amazes me. Because we hung out until around 11. Close the bar tab. Oh, please. I don't even want to go there. Come on. No, no, no. By the way, it was a gift from Mr. Harper because that way we circumvented any issues of legality. So I didn't pay for it at all. There you go. Wow. What was I going to say? I don't know. I think that one stumped you. Yeah, so my daughter now feels that she's legal. She went straight out the next day and got a tattoo. She says, my first legal tattoo, dad. I'm like, oh god. She's going to be covered from head to foot just like Amy Winehouse. Well, it's what the kids are doing, man. I mean, it's not just the kids, the whole world. People have been putting tattoos on their body for thousands of years. I don't see you all covered. I'm not a fan.

08:10 Not I always tell my kids. I say look tattoos are the one thing, but here's here's the way I see it It's like buying a sweater and then having to wear it for the rest of your life Yeah, do you have that much confidence in your sense of style John? I've done the speech I wrote the book I directed the movie She went out got a tattoo. Oh, this is not her first. This is her third. Oh, yeah, okay said she's gonna be covered from head to foot. Yeah, she got a Was it a G cleft, you know, musical note? Mm-hmm. Her ankle. Oh She had no she got it for it with a little heart next to it She said oh I got this for my my grandfather who was a musician Said so I'll always I'll always be remember reminded of him way to tug at the heartstrings Yeah, well wait till she has the big giant thing on her on her biceps

09:07 Okay, can't wait. Another experience on its way. Film at 11. So okay, tell me, we got lots of stuff to talk about, man, but definitely lay into the unelectability of Obama. Well, there's a couple of things, but before we do that, let's use it as a teaser since we really want to hear about your visit. Ah, with the Pleiadian. Yeah. Yeah. No, I have stuff to tell. Now, back to Obama. Come on, let's do this first. No, no, no, no, no, let's tease it. Come on, man. We have to talk about Obama, we gotta talk about... We gotta talk about the possibility of having an actual MILF in the White House. A VP-ILF, they call it. Oh my, we have to call her VILF. No, they have their website, vpilf.com already. Oh, okay. Well, I just think VILF is better.

10:07 So, uh, well I don't know. I mean, I actually predicted that it was going to be her some months back. Really? Oh, good on you. I don't know if it was on this show or someplace else, but two or three people were trying to track it down so I can like gloat about it. But in hindsight, I think Romney would have been a better choice. Let's just say for the audience that doesn't know, we're talking about Sarah Palin, who is John... Right, or as she's otherwise known as Tina Fey. That's it, man. And you know what? It's like I can just imagine her taking those glasses off and then pulling that hair loose and shaking it. Well, my wife doesn't like her right off the bat, but then I realized my wife doesn't like Tina Fey either. So I think it's a look. I saw you blog that, Sarah Palin, Tina Fey. I saw that. Separated at birth. Yeah, then I found out that Jon Stewart did it. And then he actually did it with two other additional ones.

11:01 First he showed her as you know Tina Fey then I forgot who some some other actress who she also looks like and then the kicker Which of course would be the result of professional writers the kicker was and she also looks like every other sexy librarian on Cinemax Midnight exactly I love it. I love it. I mean I was just like you know there's little you could have amazed me with to make this show really interesting, the show that is the US elections and this did it. I'm like, you've got me back in, I'm watching again. This is cool. This is absolutely cool. Well what I thought was interesting is the fact, and I think the thing that's gonna, you know, if Obama manages to win, which I still don't think he can do it, but

11:48 It's the fact that the Democrats, who pride themselves as being the intellectuals, the college educated, the this and the that, are essentially voting for an out-and-out performer. I mean, if it was Britney Spears, apparently they would have been voting for her because that's essentially what we're dealing with here. He is a performer. I mean, he's a great performer. Who else would pack a stadium filled with 85,000 people except a performer? I mean, there are... I was watching some of the close-ups. By the way, by the way, by the way, I think they could have charged 10 bucks a head and still packed the stadium. Easily, easily.

12:25 And there were close-ups of just people crying like they used to for Michael Jackson, which by the way was the same type of orchestration. It's exactly the same. It's just like looking at the choreography of a Michael Jackson appearance. Right. It's orchestrated that way. I mean it's done professionally. This is a great... It's probably the greatest show on earth, really, when you think about it. Well, I mean, essentially they used Britney Spears' set designer to do the set, which I thought was going to be hokey, but looking at it, it actually worked very well. I didn't think it was as crazy as it sounded at the beginning. It looked good. It was essentially the Lincoln Memorial done in a symbolic way. He came out and gave what I thought was a knockout speech, very well paced.

13:13 he had great rhythm because I was really paying attention to that he was right it was it was just it was good rhythm it was really into the vibe totally the content was no different than a Kennedy speech of you know a Ted Kennedy speech in 1980 I mean it just seems to me is there's no new content I mean you know there's a lot of generalities about how we got to get back to work we have to do this we have to do that we need to cut taxes for the middle class and But it was just the performance aspect that was fascinating to me because in fact, you know, I don't, you know, whatever they want to say, Obama has, he's just basically a freshman senator, has been in office for two years. Before that he was a community organizer and a state senator. Even though they compare him to Lincoln, you know, it still doesn't come up. You know, I gotta tell you, I saw Fox News do that and they had Obama, then they had Lincoln, then they had Kennedy. I'm like, ooh.

14:08 You know, somehow it just wasn't the right sequence of pictures. I'm serious. I immediately went, oh man, that's kind of weird. And then, you know, why the comparison to Lincoln? Because of the state? The home state? No, no, well, there's the home state, A, and the fact that Lincoln was, although he has probably twice the experience as Obama, that he didn't have as much, you know, and they tried, they're trying to make the Lincoln connection because nobody can deny it, because you can say anything you want, who's going to know? It's like, you know, it's a good story. We haven't, we haven't used any Lincoln iconography in a while. hundred and forty years old like an idea but you know and and and i think it gets me is that you know and i think you know to react to see no bomb a but you know he's not i don't know that he's ever had a job out where i don't know john we we've actually been accused of being racist okay it's not a matter of the union i don't think he's ever been in a union so i mean i think you know i don't know who is representing but whatever the case is he's a is a great performer and people these democrats were so deep you know all

15:08 you know, basically buying into a facade. So it's like fine with me. But I think, here's where I think he's not electable. And I think, by the way, I think it might actually be a good thing for the country if he was elected. So let me get that straight. Because it would break a lot, change a lot of things. It'd be an interesting thing to go through. But I think he's not elected because the Democrats themselves, I think, are indeed racists. Because they're the ones that seem to be preoccupied with it. And they're the ones who hold the majority. There's more Democrats. The Democrats could elect any president that comes, anybody that comes along for their party. Because they actually own the numbers. There's more of them. You know, if they actually got the vote out, if they really like their own candidates, they could elect anybody. So that's

15:53 a given, just based on the stats. Now the fact of the matter is, I think it's the Democrats who are racist and I think at the end of the day they're not going to vote him in because he's black. I'm just totally convinced of it. And I think there's also going to be hit hard by the Republicans that have been holding back on really blasting him because they still think they can coast to victory and they may be wrong. it was pretty spectacular i thought the uh... i thought the suspension of the rules and the acceptance by uh... ascension what is that was it where they call it as acclamation ascension same thing now that's an interesting freudian slip yeah that's very freudian uh... i thought that was a masterful stroke i thought that was just so you know and it was more show business that's what i'm talking about i loved it you know we

16:47 We yield, we yield, we yield, boom, she's walking in, she's at the mic, she's doing her thing. The shot wasn't perfect because there was a pole right in front of her head that was casting a shadow and I would have moved the cameraman a little bit to the right, but otherwise it was masterful. Absolutely masterful. And you know, whatever... And the Clintons are so smart, man. They're so ready for 2012 or... Well, I'm hoping that, you know, whatever happens in this election, you have two possibilities for 2012. One, Palin, who's going to get beaten up anyway, will have much more experience. Although, I am getting a little... I've only heard her a couple times. And I think P.W. Fenton said it best, because there's a thing going on on Twitter right now called Little Known Facts.

17:32 And you can actually look it up on a search little known facts about Sarah Palin and if this kind of deteriorated But in the early days of this or the early days yesterday morning in the early days of this little gag That there were some hilarious lines and PW of Fenton's was a little known fact about Sarah Palin her voice will can cut glass You know what she reminds me of Fargo You know the movie? Yeah. You're talking about the cop with that screechy voice? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's her name? Yeah, I don't know her name. I can't think of it. The actress who's married to the Coen brother. Right. Who Coen brothers made the movie. She was told it's in Minnesota. Wasn't that Minnesota? Minnesota? Yeah, it's in Minnesota. She's got a little bit of a twang. Yeah, but you know what?

18:19 You just I just can't help myself when I see her have you seen the footage of her with like the the semi-automatic rifle Yeah, yeah, that's so hot man. They're hitting all of the buttons. It's like ding ding ding dude Go Google chicks in bikinis with automatic weapons there are thousands of websites. This is a huge demographic. They're tapping into Well, that's an interesting point. Now, one of the things I've been doing during the election is the... By the way, Bubba, please Google that. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Here's another assertion of mine. I think the first woman president is going to be a Republican, and I think the first black president is going to be a Republican. Anyway, so here's one of the things I've been following because my son, who's going to an extremely liberal school and he's

19:07 and he's by would say typical college again commies uh... yeah college contest and uh... but he's a fan of carl rove he's a fan of carl rove so i've been following carl rove carl rove is now a correspondent on fox like hanging up a poster of uh... doubles above your bed So Karl Rove is on Fox and he's giving analysis and I'm thinking these guys were, I have to give Fox credit because I still think their production values and they have a lot of problems but they picked out a home run hitter with this guy because he just comes in with a, he comes in like a surgeon you know and he just dissects things and he does it unemotionally. Yeah, yeah he gobbles man, he's awesome from a professional standpoint, absolutely.

19:53 Yeah, so his thinking was the following, and this was before Sarah was picked. He says that the three elements of the Republicans right now, they have to tap into the three demos that they have to grab because everything else is a given. You're going to get so many Democrats just going to vote for the Democrat. You're going to get so many Republicans just going to vote for the Republican, no matter who it is. And then you have the entire black population that's basically going to vote for the black man. So you have those things. Those are all fixed. So the rest of it is the variable in between. Don't be so sure about the black vote, by the way. I wouldn't be that confident. Right now it's 94 to 1, all the polls say. Yeah, I know it's possible a few guys will bail at the end, but who knows? I think they're going to vote in droves. It's a matter of making sure that they actually come out. But let's just assume that, because that's what Rove does. And he says there's the three variables that you have to attack to get into office, and you need two out of the three, and he named the three.

20:51 He says one is the evangelicals and he said this before Palin, he says, it's probably going to be a split, he's not going to get them. He says the other ones are veterans. He says the veterans are going to vote for McCain no matter what, all the veterans. And then he said the third group is the small business owners, which includes a lot of women. In fact, more women start small businesses. Probably more women than men, yeah. And he says that group is afraid of the Democrats in general and no matter what. Because of taxes. Because of taxes. So they're freaked out. So he says he's probably got most of them and he says the only one that's out are the evangelicals. So if Palin pulls them in, despite the fact that there's a lot of Republicans that don't like

21:38 She's a, according to some people, she's an extremely Christian evangelical type. Who, you know, even had... Oh, it's even better. I'm going to break her spirit and make her my bitch. Oh, sorry. The, uh... The, this may actually close the deal, even though everybody sees it as a huge blunder. Now, Rove could be wrong. A. But B, I don't know that he's ever been wrong. So I... So, you know, I mean, he's the master. But I've been listening to him take apart all the speeches and all that stuff. And it's actually interesting because he does it without... He's just, you can just tell this guy, and he'll refer to different experts that I guess are his friends that are all around the country. They're different professors. They study different kinds of stat.

22:29 stats and they, he's had a guy in Wisconsin who knows one specific thing and you know he talks to him and he says this and he uses that in his analysis. I'm telling you this guy, I mean if this guy wants to just give up as being a consultant just to be a, if they would use him more as a commentator uh... yeah although he's a little dull i mean he's not like exciting well we got we got to get him some platform shoes we gotta give him a little bit of hair we gotta give him some better clothes maybe some snazzy specs you know and he has to have uh... you know he has to have like a he's got a little vibe going on he seems too bland and his head's not big enough for television he's a little his head's pretty big he is a little bland but you know and i doubt if you could ever afford him but uh... he uh...

23:13 Anyway, that's what his thinking is and so that would you know say just picking her means they won by his theory right but obviously they're gonna have to keep doing something and it meanwhile you heard Obama the when he well he's picking Palin Obama's in Beaver Pennsylvania Which is kind of humorous a joke and they kept clipping cutting to it on the Larry King show cuz Larry King has been having some interesting guests on to And so they keep cutting to Obama live in Beaver and he's talking to this crowd and essentially everything he said were exactly what he said in the speech. Word for word, memorized speech. He's a robot.

24:02 But he did do it without the teleprompter. He actually probably came close to memorizing that speech. Well, I'm going to say, at a certain point when you do this long enough, you're going to know your lines. I mean, come on. Well, he knows them. Yeah. The thing is, I think the kiss of death for either one of these two guys, even though like I said, I still don't think Obama's electable. because of the inherent racism within the Democratic Party. I think that it's going to be the, this is going to be the first election for years where the debates are actually going to make a huge difference.

24:42 I mean they made something of a difference in the Gore thing, especially when Gore came out. You know, who kind of made him look like a woman, but... It's going to make a huge difference in the ratings, I agree. We're going to have a banner year on television with the elections. It's going to be fantastic. Yeah, so you can't fault him for, you know, yeah, he's a performer, but he packs them in. In fact, it looks like the Democra- that speech had something like 35 or 38 million people watching. It was one of the most watched events in the history of television. I mean, this guy is like, you know, he's a celebrity. I mean, just what the McCain people accuse him of. But that's not bad. I mean, that's what we had with JFK. Nothing like this.

25:24 Well, we didn't have that type of coverage, you know, and everything's so rampant now, but yeah. What I find interesting is that you say he'll be better for the country? No, no, I said it would be good for the country. Because it would get a bunch of things off the table. First, it would get whether the Democrats could do crap no matter who's running it, running the show. Because I don't, by the way, never think of Bill Clinton as a Democrat. He's a neoliberal from, you know, with almost a Republican perspective and implemented a lot of Republican programs. So we've had a Democrat in my, the way I see it, since Jimmy Carter. So this guy would probably, because this guy's from the Ted Kennedy school, so he's like, you know, more of a real Democrat. And it would get the black thing out of the way and it would probably improve the way

26:16 blacks perceive of their exit strategies in terms of going into, you know, instead of all wanting to become basketball players, let's say, or whatever, they could, you know, they could think in different terms, they could think more broadly. I will say that, you know, we should learn from the past eight years and see that, you know, the true man behind the curtain in the Bush administration, of course, has been Dick Cheney. So in this case, I think we need to keep our eye very sharply focused on Joe Biden. or somebody. Joe Biden I think is a dubious choice by this guy because he keeps running for president. Biden's the shield, John. He's in that whole Georgia game. He was the first guy who said, oh, let's give Georgia a billion. Let's go get the Rooskies. This guy's a troublemaker. He's in on the big game.

27:03 I don't think anybody likes him because I mean I mean I think there's just cohorts do but the public doesn't because they keep rejecting him you know in a big way when he runs for president so you know he's not not that be the best choice but I have to say he's got an attractive family. Now that does count. Well it does to some people. Meanwhile, of course, again, I'm looking at the shallowness of the whole thing. When you think of the Democrats, at least I would go back and start looking at their candidates such as Adlai Stevenson. When I was a little kid, my dad says, who was a hard, you know, Democrat. He says, oh, you know, Dad, like Stephen, said he'd probably be the greatest president ever, but they're not going to elect him because the public sees him as an egghead. Yeah. Which was a term used derisively after World War II to excoriate anyone who was an intellectual. Egghead, right.

28:03 Anyway, that's kind of my thoughts on the thing. It's still got two months to go. Anything can happen. Something could blow up. Someone could blow up? Well, I think they've got that pretty well covered, but you never know. I sure hope so. Yeah, I think they do. But you never know. You never know. You just don't know what's going on. You never know, especially since I'm now reading Legacy of the Ashes. Well, for you folks who don't live in the United States and are looking at this from the outside in and saying, wow, that's just an amazing show, well, we succeeded because that's really all that it is. It's just a big, amazing show.

28:45 And true to our roots, I think we pulled off a great one. I'd like to know who the producer and director was of the stadium speech. It'll come out. Unless it's like Wag the Dog where they're gonna shoot him. Who knows? There was a concert, a Rage Against the Machine concert in town at the same time. Man, I mean, just looking at the alternative media for a moment, are you familiar with Rage Against the Machine? Yeah. Okay. I mean, very anti-war lyrics, just sheer anger, and there were just tons and tons of servicemen and women who went to that show.

29:25 And, you know, they stood outside the convention center and presented triangular folded flags representing their dead buddies. You know, they said, please have a representative come outside. We want to make sure you understand what's really going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know some really emotional stuff not you know not this like this what were those idiots who I saw on Fox recreate 68 did you hear that? Oh yeah they put them on they were all over town and they showed and the Jon Stewart show showed the area that's around the actually no it was no No, it's better that it was actually Bill Maher had some guy do a video who went around to look at all these kind of behind the scenes kind of sleazeball deals going on and showed the free speech zone which they have. I mean, the Democrats are no better than the Republicans. The free speech zone with the chain link fence?

30:16 Well, this was, that was where they were going to arrest people, but the free speech that the guy showed, which I've never seen by the way, reported on by anyone, is an area with nobody in it, literally, except a couple of kids who had some BMX bikes because they had a ramp there, so they were playing on it. On the half pipe. And so it was like, it was just unbelievable. I mean if anyone can catch the real Bill Maher show this week, you'll see this report. The rest of it is just Bill Maher in his normal, you know, he hates Republicans, rants. Just one last thing on this. A trend I picked up on that I think Fox News started with, and maybe I'm just seeing it for the first time, but now I'm seeing CNN do it, and I saw the BBC do it.

30:57 During all these speeches, particularly of course the Clinton speeches and Obama speech, they have body language analysts. Have you seen this? And they freeze frame and they go through everything and say, okay, Hillary's lips were a little bit, here's what she does, she purses her lips, she swallows, that's saying, okay, I'm dealing with the situation. And you went through this whole, but- I'd love to have seen that. Oh, but it's everywhere. John Fox is doing it. O'Reilly has someone come on all the time now. well i was watching o'reilly but you know i was i was flipping around a lot again you know looking for carl rove yeah it's it's very very interesting and then in the bbc uh... but i also have a guy who is the consultant who who puts everybody on lie detectors in any right-wing agents when they watch stuff with what's working and what's not which is i find that i think you take all these candidates you put him on jerry springer show right to tell the truth let him play that

31:52 Yeah, well that's what America really wants. I mean, honestly. Well, it's getting there. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hey, you still think we're... I'm sorry, these two candidates are just... I can't, you know, it's just ridiculous. But, oh, the other thing, by the way, I should mention is that the Democrats also have a problem, I think. Because you know again, we're talking about the party of the intellectuals the college-educated They have to deal with with themselves being ageists to an extreme I agree and it's all they do is harp on his age is gonna die told And then and by the way Reagan second term he was older It's like thanks my friend John Dvorak's gonna be that age in just ten years from now I mean fuck you all come on and we'll still be doing this show. I

32:39 Or more, yeah. But we'll be doing it on a... I'll be doing the show with a walker. Yeah, no problem. I'll change your dirty diapers. Then they have to do a thing with the sexism thing, which they've already been excoriated for because they were sexist with Hillary, the media was. And so we got a party, this intellectual party that's politically correct about everything, and they have to force themselves to be ageist and sexist, and they have to live with themselves with this hypocrisy, which is I think, you know, going to eat away at them. I think it's going to be a tough Tough thing for them to do, for their own psyche to deal with. Just for the record, John, you're neither a registered Democrat or Republican, nor am I. No, no, I was a Democrat. I was raised a Democrat, became a Republican, and then I gave up on them for obvious reasons. And I'm an independent.

33:27 And I would vote for either, I would vote for the best candidate. I'm almost tempted to vote third party this election because I don't like either one of these groups. I don't think McCain's gonna do the jerk job, I don't think it makes any difference based on my own 40, 80 year depression cycle anyway. Because I think it's gonna be, you know, collapse and these guys are gonna be scrambling around. But by the way, I did wanna say, I thought Dennis Kucinich's speech was outstanding. I love that guy. He is awesome. He is hilarious. But he was great and he was jumping up and down, wake up America, wake up America. And I was like yeah brother, say it. And he laid it out there. Of course, I saw all the news bites and I was like, hey look at this motherfucker, he's crazy. All the shows that are jumping up and down, right? And totally out of context. Of course.

34:17 I thought the best speaker I saw was actually another black man. Who was that? I believe he's the governor of Massachusetts or someplace. I didn't see all of it obviously. It was on too late. I should know who he is. But he was, I'll look him up, but he was not the orator But he had, I thought his points were better, he had a really good organizational structure. And I thought this guy, you know, and they kept, and they never gave him any highlight reel or anything. He was just basically, he went on, I was watching the direct feed which they have on the Dish Network, which is the feed.

35:01 Without all these guys talking over everybody else. You get the clean feed, right? The clean feed. Yeah, BBC Parliament had that over here. Instead of the Parliament Channel, the BBC was running the clean feed over here as well. Were they? Yeah. You know what? Now go ahead, finish your thought. It's the guy's name is Deval Patrick and he's the governor of Massachusetts. He was absolutely an outstanding speaker that is gotta be a future star for the party and they just, I guess he's not within the right camp or whatever because they essentially, he was not highlighted by anybody, he was given a bad time slot,

35:46 uh... you know i don't think they wanted second black manned upstaged it number one guy and i don't know if i could it was baffling to me because i was watching this guy going while this guy's great you know the the the just from a uh... from a show business perspective what which is i'd can't help but look at it that way uh... the roll call vote i was like all men like who's who came up with this i thought it was going to say you know the great state of california cast uh... you know so many votes for obama so many for hillary clinton but then everyone had this frickin rap like the state of the junior midget league basketball champions of nineteen thirty two

36:24 the state where the biggest ball of twine is located you know just like wow and and i'm so happy that's why they you know they uh suspended the rules and uh accepted him by acclamation it was well scripted because it was right it was i was ready man we're at m like please shoot me Yeah, well that's always been crappy. Hey, do you think we're still at the bottom? Hey Johnny boy, you think it's all bottomed out yet? Or do you think we're about to go into financial meltdown as I'm predicting? Well, it's like you and your $200 oil. No, I've already come back from that and said that it's split because what's happened is the plunge protection team jumped in. That's exactly why it's gone all haywire. And that's why we're not going to have any more of a collapse than we've had.

37:13 Okay, just so it's all up from here John feels like a bottom to me now It looks like I'm just seeing the hole that is gaping wide You got to feel it with your butt Yeah, well my ass is this it's like when you're driving a car and you hit the being the car bottoms out you can tell it's your you know boom now it feels like a whole lot of not what you're looking at it's what you feel there's a whole lot of nothing still to come yeah It's it's these Fannie Mae Freddie Mac. Everyone's waiting for the government to say okay. We'll just support them That's what they're gonna do. Yeah, and that's when it all falls apart No, no, you'll see

37:53 I mean, I still think the market could hit 10,000, but you know, I got friends telling me, oh, it's going to hit six, it's going to hit five, you know, it's not possible. And now that Fox was talking about, this was another fantastic thing, Fox was talking about, they're showing pictures of Gustav radar images. This is the hurricane, which is headed towards, supposedly headed towards Louisiana again. So they're showing, this is what, this is what they were showing. they show the radar images, they talk about the enormous speed and then they say well you know it's headed towards Louisiana, you can see it's right over Jamaica right? So there's no one on the phone from Jamaica, there's no images, there's no nothing and it's starting to hit Cuba. And there's no pictures of people packing up in New Orleans or any of that, no. They have oil platform workers on the phone and underneath the screen it says

38:45 expect five dollar gas expect five dollar gas and all you hear is yep well we're gonna get out of here after we cap off everything and you know this could be devastating for the you know about eight million percent of our oil comes from here in the United States and well we're packing up we're going five dollar gas five dollar gas it's amazing how We're so dependent on oil from these... We're almost totally dependent on oil from the Middle East. Oh no wait, we're almost totally dependent on oil from these gas platforms. Oh no wait, we're almost totally depend... Where are we dependent on oil from? Most of the American oil comes from Canada. So then I'm thinking, Sarah Palin's from Alaska. You think there's some oil up there, John?

39:35 Yeah, and she's big on sucking it all out of there. Because it's a... I mean if I... you know, Alaskans, they get money from the government just because there's a percentage of the oil booty. There's no coincidence there. And she's a vilf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder how many guys out there are like you. Oh, tons of them. Tons of them. And you know what? It's the beer drinking, gun toting, good old boys who are sitting around going, damn! Damn! Look at that!

40:13 I know, because I'm a red-blooded American. I have some sophistication and I have to... By the way, you used the term, you just used an interesting little usage which I actually saved a bunch of the speeches and Kucinich by the way is one of the worst, but even Obama said it, you know what? You just did it and it's like my kids, you know, you know, just like when you're 12 people say, you know what you know what you know what and these Democrats if you start listening to them speak speak you're gonna hear them say you know what you know what which is very Condescending if you think about it, you know what you're right. You know what you don't know what you know what you know what you are right? I have it sounds like they have a 12 year old. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. It's well the 12 year old version is guess what?

40:57 You know what I do you know what do you know what a John do you know what the Silicon Valley? Thing is that really bugs the shit out of me. Yeah, it's when someone is pitching you an idea or, particularly with technology and they're explaining it to you and then they end the sentence with, right? Like, you know, please do not say no because right? Because this is right, right? You know that, right? I don't have to question you. It's a sales gimmick. It's not just, but it's not just, it's chief technology officers when they're just explaining their stuff and it's like, well of course, you know, the audiences love to have this stuff, right?

41:37 Right. No, that's just as bad. But I'm just saying this, the Democrats use you know what to excess. I mean, you had, I've never heard you use it before. You just happened to, you were probably listening to these damn speeches. It's rubbing off on me. No, seriously, that does happen. I mean, my kids, I usually call them on it when, like, my daughter says, guess what? You know, she does it less and less because every time she does, I stop the conversation and go, am I supposed to guess? And of course, then she is like, you know, she always says yes, yes, go ahead, guess what I was going to say. Of course, when you saw the whole thing it's like ruined by that, but the point is I still uh, interrupt. There's another one. Guess what? Guess what? Guess what? Yeah. There's another one that um, that bugs me a lot and we have it a lot in meetings at uh, it's in all meetings I guess when people are conveying ideas and it just, and I really pick, because I used to do it all the time too and I just started to mess it up and use different phrases

42:38 when people say I believe, I believe, it's all I believe, no I believe, I believe, well I believe, and, and, and, because you know I'm on a lot of these conference calls that we do at MeVeo, I'm on the phone. So I'm not reading body language, I'm just hearing what's going on in the room and every single sentence starts with I believe, and which usually by the way are meetings that are not going well. You know it's very, it's very unconstructive to have a whole bunch of people saying I believe, I believe, It's just not good. Well, you know, the worst version of that, I mean, there's three versions of that particular stalling tactic usage. I believe is one of them. I think is another big one, yeah. And the third one, which I really don't like, but it comes from the political correct arena, usually from the sensitive people. I feel. I feel, yeah.

43:36 Well, I feel that blah blah blah. Well, I feel that blah blah blah. And I, as opposed to I believe... So it's not to offend you, I'm going to soften it up and say, well here's what I feel, okay? So please don't trot on my opinion because it's my feelings. Right. I think that's part of how that, why that works so well with certain people. I find it extremely offensive when people keep saying, I feel. It's like I feel that we should move it over to the left, you know, talking about a webpage. You feel that or do you think it? Or do you believe it? Do you believe it, do you think it, or do you feel it? I mean, which is it? Well, our speech has become so... I mean, living over in the United Kingdom has been such an eye-opener to me because the vocabulary is so much larger and is...

44:23 And even though the grammar sometimes is very weird to my American syntax, it's just beautiful to listen to people actually use words that just you don't hear used. Excuse me. For obvious reasons. So, we needed that else. You know what happened yesterday? My aliens came and revisited. Yeah, nah My in-laws have been here all week of course for Christina's birthday And so everyone's sick and then my they're both 82 and and you got everybody's sick now But but the old folks aren't there there and they're amazing they have got so much energy and you know my my father-in-law He's so fantastic with his hands. You can play violin you can play

45:10 saxophone, he can play any instrument, he can write entire orchestrations without, you know, just from memory, but he can build things, he can repair cars, he can solder stuff. The guy is just amazing. He built me a preamp, a portable preamp and he's 82, but you know when he gets into the power tools, man, it's a little bit scary around here. You never know when all of a sudden he's like... Holy shit. But anyway, so my mother-in-law, she's like, Let's go get some stuff, we need some juice and you know she's a fireball of energy. And I said, okay, let me just drink my tea here and we'll go off and do some shopping. And so we go to the, there's a new Marks and Spencers which has opened up. It's a small Marks and Spencers which is kind of the really high-end, really pre-packaged food but they do have a lot of so-called fresh vegetables. It just looks pretty, it's expensive, it's premium.

46:05 Not saying that it's healthy or anything like that, but they opened up a new one It's convenient because it's at a gas station. So well, you know great parking right in front the door run in run out So we got to pick some stuff up and I walked past the lettuce and John sitting there were two baby coast Lettuce heads, you know what those are. Yeah and and and and I looked at it and I was and immediately I had a flashback to our steakhouse dinner and And you remember? Yeah, right. And so I had that fantastic, you know, lettuce. And right there, I got the lettuce, I saw some great organic, homemade, brand whatever, Caesar dressing. I had the Dutch Gouda cheese, which my mother-in-law brought home with her. And I recreated that dish. And it was so good. Just wanted to let you know.

46:58 That's organic in a bottle. But it's big for me. I'm never that interested in food. Yeah. Yeah, good. I'm glad they had some fresh lettuce. I mean, the Brits can grow vegetables. I mean, they got the right climate for that kind of thing. I'll send you a picture. I took a picture of it. Seriously, I was reliving that salad, that lettuce that I had with you in San Francisco. Huh, you must have really liked that salad. I did, but I was so drawn to it. It's like, I gotta make that. I gotta have that. Well, now you know you can. So, at least for one week out of the year when they actually have fresh lettuce at the one store nearby. I never think of Smarks and Sparks as a high-end premium store personally.

47:46 Well, no, again, what would be considered to be... I mean, Fortnum & Mason, I'm thinking, yeah, there you go. Yeah, okay, we don't, obviously, there's no... But Fortnum & Mason is, that's real food. Marks & Spencer is still, you know, a big kind of big box, medium-sized box, high volume, expensively marketed, you know, very... Yeah, I mean, high end for the typical consumer, not for someone who actually appreciates good food. And for that I wouldn't even choose Fortnum & Mason, I'd probably rather go to the farmers market. Yeah well I mean I wouldn't go to Fortnum & Mason for my normal, I mean I would go there for their packaged foods, although they have some nice eggs there.

48:31 They sell eggs in a... At Fish? I always thought it was still marketable. At Fortnum & Mason, if anyone here is traveling to London, you try to get there. It's near Piccadilly Circus is where it is. Yeah, it's a nice store. It's just a really pretty place anyway. But it's... they have eggs that they sell that are generic eggs. I'm sorry, varietal eggs, not generic, but varietal eggs. They sell them in four packs. and you can buy, you pick the egg up, it's like a certain kind of bird. And it actually looks like an egg. It's a chicken, no, but it's like a chicken, but it's not the regular chicken. This is a such-and-such chicken's egg. And there's another chicken's egg. Now, since we have a bunch of chickens up in Washington, it actually makes a huge difference which chicken is laying these eggs.

49:13 Because every chicken has a certain, you know, look to their egg and the egg is slightly different in taste. Not a big difference. I mean, it's not like it's gonna be enormous. No, I think there's quite a variety. We had 50 or 60 chickens when we had the place in Belgium. And I think there's an enormous variety in taste. Really? Okay, well there's a big variety in tanks, but whatever the case is, they sell these varietal chicken eggs at Fortnum and Mason. So if you, when I, I don't go as much as I used to, but if I go to London, I usually stay in an apartment and I would cook my own food there, because I always like to find a place that you could cook, because I like to go buy all this local stuff and cook it up and those eggs are one of the deals that I like.

49:59 Fortman and Mason I believe, I think, I feel is... are they not a queen appointed or something? Yeah, it's got one. I think they... Like the royal grocer? Elizabeth II. Yeah, the grocer of royalty, something, whatever that's called. Whatever, it's one of those little stamps of approval. That's what the British monarchy is. It's basically the good housekeeping of England. I heard on the radio this morning on the BBC in the news, the economy, the worst it's ever been in 60 years and they expect over a million job losses? That is, we have that in our news.

50:41 For America or for England? No, well, for England it's been reported. That's unreal and they were reporting Lehman Brothers, which is part of the financial crisis, had lost uh... was it was a really weird headline which is why i like it uh... if they've lost in the past eighteen months they've lost the equal amount thirty six years of profits or something like that it's like or like a good workman here and i don't know what you guys are geniuses how's that how the real estate portfolio do it uh... my goodness

51:20 Alright, so I didn't meet just one, I've actually met a number of what you could consider to be extraterrestrials. Okay, here we go ladies and gentlemen. Now, um... Let's start from the beginning, start from the beginning. Well, you know, obviously nothing... so I've thought about this, John. I've thought about what I want to say about it and there is a closure or there will be a closure that can actually... you know, because what I was really... what I believe is almost unimportant and I'm certainly of the belief that the Earth is in change right now whether it's man-made or built into the

52:01 to the magic of the universe and the galaxy and whether it was predicted by the Mayans or whether UFOs are here to save us or kill us or whatever you want to believe. Hold on a second, let me write down this part because I'm outlining your talk here. First I'm putting down one pre-sale. Okay, so you're doing the pre-sale right now. I would call it background. I would Okay, maybe it's pre-sale. All right. Are you gonna turn this into a PowerPoint so I can go on the road? Absolutely. Okay good. So and I could actually go very deep into all of those different cultures. I know we don't really want to hear. We don't need that right? Okay.

52:41 And the reason and the reason why I'm interested in this John this is part of the pre-sale and part of the credibility is I'm about to turn 44 and as the song says is that all there is so I'm not interested in that old is that all there is and for the next 40 years I might as well pursue something more right yeah Yeah, okay Ridicule as you must I didn't say anything so What I was looking for was really two things Three things first thing would I feel in the presence of any of these beings any? Would I feel anything would I see anything would I feel anything? I was not expecting to tape a rod, you know for a little spin in the disc or or a little levitation or a little start You know Stargate transportation, let's zip through the wormhole and back. I was certainly not expecting that however

53:43 energy, looking for some kind of energy, some kind of vibe. So, definitely felt that. Would you believe me if I said, yeah, I saw little spheres of light circling this person's head or body, whatever. I could get into all of that. But really, I only wanted to know, one, would I feel something? So, yes, affirmative. Two, Yes, the particular Pleiadians who I have come in contact with do indeed like strawberry ice cream. Alright! Yes, I knew you were waiting for that one. And of course the big one is, you know, I said I need some kind of proof.

54:30 I need something that I can show, you know, if you guys are for real and this is all about, you know, sorry to say you're now, if this is all about you're here to help us and get through the transformation of the earth as things are falling apart, what the dark forces have put before us and we're coming and we're waking up out of our enslavement. Let me just finish this, it's all good. It's probably a three slider, this part. If it's really all true and that is the agenda, then you need to give me something concrete that will at least resonate or I can point back to it. It still may not be enough proof, whatever it is, for anyone to say, yeah, okay, something's really going on here, but I need something. And for that I have received a message from multiple sources. And that is October 14th,

55:24 and Alabama, which is unclear to me whether it's the state Alabama, whether it's Leonard Skinner's song Alabama, or Kid Rock's version of Alabama, or Space Station Alabama, I don't know. But they will surface a vessel for 48 hours. and so we will be able to see it. Possibly in Alabama. Possibly in the state Alabama. I'm not quite sure how many Alabamas there are. And I got no answer on that. Well that gives us something to look forward to. And obviously for me it'll be a confirmation as well. How did I do?

56:19 Garland Farewell in Alabama, Sunday, October 14, 2007. What's that? Les Garland? Judy Garland? I don't know, it just says Garland Farewell. That was last year. I don't think if you Google October 14, this doesn't seem like a very significant date for anything. Well, that's a bunch of crap. The Alabama chapter of the Nena Gulf Coast Conference took place last October 14th. Yeah, but what's happening this year? What's happening this October 14th? Stillman Tigers versus Alabama A&M Bulldogs on October 14th, 2006. Would you please Google? I can't Google because of the bandwidth. Can you Google 2008 and see if anything good's going on? Okay, hold on. Try First Contact 2008 Alabama.

57:02 Alabama Nina again shows up. They're gonna have the same conference. Okay. Civil terms Alabama firms. Well, it is March 14th. Alabama firm recalls poultry giblets. Oh, here we go. 14th October to a alien ship appear over Alabama. This has been digged by the way. Oh, October for daily. Send me the link. Sorry, probe deep dot blog spot dot com. Huh? Here it is. October 14th is the date claimed by Blossom Goodchild, where it is said that an alien spaceship, or it says a alien spaceship, GFL, Galactic Federation of Light Spaceship, will appear over Alabama. The state. I guess. There you go. But we gotta find out by getting a hold of Blossom Goodchild. Send me the link. I'll get you stuff, see, I will.

58:01 uh... well this is the big legally get the real idea i just can't if i i'm afraid if i find out about it so you say it's a breakup here it is this is in uh... probe deep dot dot blogspot dot com program i love it i actually there was a fourth thing i said hey man can you just give me a quick anal probe i'm really jones and for one they do have to know as i think really okay knows is that true that's fine because i thought i saw uh... I saw a medical story about, that's interesting, they want to change the way they do vaccinations to doing it up the nose. That's interesting. Well, they want to have a spray. Okay, here we go. Let me read you the story so you can be right up on this. And this was blogged on August 6th.

58:49 So this date's floating around so you may be, have been snookered by whatever this is going on around. It's been going around apparently. October 14th, 2008 is the date claimed by Blossom Goodchild where it is said that an alien spaceship, GFL, Galactic Federation of Light Spaceship, will appear over Alabama for three days continuously. I came across the news in one of the sites and could not believe whether it was true or a hoax. Huh. If it is true, this is the first time in the history that someone coming forward giving the exact date and saying UFO will appear though it is said that the UFO appearances for peace and to prove their existence and to give hope to give hope have to see, it's very poorly written, whether it is untrue, hope have to see whether it is untrue something like doomsday 2000 anyway see the below video for more information there's a video there

59:45 Guys, don't forget to mark October 14, 2008 on your calendars. This will be the big day in history and proves if UFOs are fake or not. And by the way, don't forget to leave a comment. There's five comments. What are the comments? What are the comments? Well, the comment number one, anonymous. Right the first contact will be 14th October this year. It'll be a great day in history, and there's another video link Yeah, and then anonymous comes back and says I know blossom good child the lady that channeled this message She is a lovely woman who holds regular channeling nights and has written three books this by the way is your new family

1:00:23 She has worked hard to build her credibility among her peers and would not put this information out unless it is truly, unless she has truly believed it to be true. Trust me, it took much trust and faith, I should be doing this in this voice, and faith for her to publicly release the message and even if they do not turn up, she would still have my support and love. Blessings, Meg. See, I'm really disappointed because I was hoping you were going to Google that. and uh... and it would come with a whole bunch of people knowing this year now i'm very soon i'm highly skeptical and if i had a time the only one getting the message that's not good p r they could use the call carl rove he could help them out he would so did one of the last is a rest of our saying you know there's nothing in in this guy kevin ship l says nobody newbie finds it strange that ten fourteen two thousand eight equals twenty twelve

1:01:17 I don't know where he's getting that. I guess he's ten out of the way. How do you do that? There's a lot of that numerology. I crack up when I see that because it's just, you know, well if you multiply this divided by this one and and uh, and huh? You know, there's always a way to make the numbers work, I think. Here's one guy, Kevin Chappelle. Let me, I gotta read you the whole thing. I didn't read the whole thing. Now I just did. Kevin Chappelle says And I can't, it just, you'll find there's some weird irony to this. Nobody finds it strange that 2014, 2008 equals 2012. This is the year the Pleiadian home planet, Nibiru, is supposed to come very close to us and destroy everything. I call BS. We're all going to die. No, he says I call BS. I'm calling you out. Thanks, Kev. I'm calling you out, man. I call BS.

1:02:13 So anyway. But anyway, it was a good meeting. And there's more people I want to meet. There's lots of interesting people. Now you didn't drink anything, right? No, no, no. I did not drink anything, did not eat anything, did not smoke anything. As I promised. How does that work? I was also flying. It was a great flight, by the way, because I had to go all the way up to the north of the country. and it was just spectacular. I'd never been to that airport before. It's always kind of, you know, exciting because you just don't know the layout. You have a virtual picture in your mind. You know, exciting. It was a fun flight. I really enjoyed it. It was all good. I'm glad you had fun. Yeah, well, John, I always have fun. All day. Every day. It's always groovy. Okay, I'm putting it on Google Calendar and then we'll talk about it the day after when absolutely nothing comes of it.

1:03:08 What day is it by the way? What day of the week? What's a good question? Wednesday? I don't know. I can't get the calendar to come up. I'm in trouble with this cloud crap. It is, 14th is a Tuesday. Tuesday. It's weird. I think they'd come on the weekend or something. Did you just Skype me something? No, somebody Skyped me something. You have to... Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Well I'm glad you're here. To be honest about it, I thought that whole discussion was a little anticlimactic. Well, I think it's not anticlimactic because that all depends on whether something happens or not. But everything step by step, nah, I don't want to go through the aggravation.

1:04:09 Of what? No, I don't want to hear the whole thing. I think we've heard enough. That's what I mean. I don't want to go through the aggravation. You know, the proof will be in the pudding. At least we got the strawberry ice cream. Strawberry ice cream was most important after that first contact. One thing I wanted to mention about that Marks and Spencers, which is just kind of interesting to me. By the way, can I say one more thing before you go into that? Yeah. If these guys are roaming all over the place telling their story, isn't that already first contact? What is first contact supposed to mean then? It's like a UFO thing, kind of a Jodie Foster contact. It's like the first big thing that'll really make everyone go, oh boy, it's for real. But it's totally from earthly reality. It's not like the extraterrestrials are saying, yeah, we'll call it first contact. All right, all right, enough. Yes, thank you. It's Marks and Sparks.

1:05:00 So this brand new Marks and Sparks, I'm standing there today, and it's very efficient because I know we live nearby so I know what it you know the the previous place was a dump it was kind of a convenience store. And so they sell gas there as well and I'm paying for the groceries and I look up and there's something called BP Oil Sentry, I think is what it's called. And essentially it's a monitor and it switches between three different cameras which I guess someone configured it incorrectly so camera one was null one, camera two was null two, camera three was null three. And it was scanning the license plates and they actually showed up in digital form one under another so you had a list of like ten license plate numbers

1:05:46 on the right hand side of the screen and then the actual shot of whatever camera was on and you could see it would switch and it would go and it would register the license plate. It was license plate recognition which is nothing new but to see that at the gas station I was like, and I said to the guy, what do you guys do with that information? We keep it. He said, well, would you give it to someone if they asked for it? Yeah, I just found it And to be another nice little piece of the Gitmo... That's a totalitarian puzzle, yeah. Yeah, the Gitmo Nation puzzle is indeed it. It's just like, wow, if that's the gas station, what are the things on the highway? They must be doing face recognition by now. They must actually be, you know, just beaming right in and looking into my wallet. That's next. Yeah, what kind of technology those guys have. Did you see that article, by the way, on the Plunge Protection Team?

1:06:41 Did I send you that? Yeah. Okay. Just wanted to make sure you had seen it. So there's a going back to this this thing with the cameras looking at everybody in England. So there's been a whole bunch of articles most a lot of them coming from England. I think I blogged one of them about how the British tourists are now the most feared in the all of Europe because they go over to wherever they go and they go crazy. Oh yeah. And the thinking is is that they get away from their you know, abhorrent totalitarian Nazi fascist regime. And they kick up their heels. Yes, this is particularly in Greece and I believe this story, actually the story was on television here several weeks ago and I saw it pop up and maybe it was the New York Times I think wrote about it. Maybe. Yeah, I talked about it on the Daily Source Code as well because I was amazed that

1:07:36 they literally took this story that I'd seen on television but it was just weeks later it was the same story because you know the mayor of this town is saying well you know they come here and it's important for our trade but basically I think the quote was all they do is vomit cross dress and cause fights and my take on that is exactly what you said that's what it says that's what the article says they cross-dress, they vomit and they fight. But it's true! The Brits, when they go out, the guys very often dress up, you know, they put actual balloons underneath the bra. It's nuts! It's nutty behavior. Nuttas, I tell ya! It's complete nutty behavior. But it is what they do here because they're slaves! You get stopped, there are dogs sniffing at the tube entrances.

1:08:32 Any male in Britain, certainly if you're not white, but talk to Chris Leiden at our UK office. He gets searched three, four times a week, you know, just walking on the street and you can't take pictures, you can't protest. Energy prices just were hiked up by, you know, they report 23%, but it's much closer to 40, 4-0%. There's a humongous crisis, and what the Brits do, that's, you know, they stab each other and drink, or maybe they drink and then stab each other. But the drink is really where they drown themselves, just completely obliterate all feeling, to desensitize themselves from the atrocity that's taking place around them. It's severely, severely suppressed here.

1:09:22 Does that paint the picture? Yeah, I liked it. So what's the eventual outcome of it, do you think? Well, this is what's interesting because I do talk to a lot of Brits about it and if you talk to them for more than five minutes, they'll actually say, hmmm... Yeah, you are right, because it's so cultural and it's not that they get drunk, they go out to get drunk. It is the mission. It is not a something that just happens because oops, I had too much to drink. No, they go out to get drunk. It is a cultural phenomenon. And when I say, well, aren't you kind of like desensitizing yourself or

1:10:02 You know, see, well, we were very different when we were thin, white, and stood up to the government. That all happened before Margaret Thatcher totally broke their backs. She busted up the unions, killed the coal miners, well, not literally, and some might argue literally, and just broke the spirit of this country. They still have their humor, and they're still hard workers, and I love the people here. But they are broken. It is a broken spirit, the spirit of this country. They do not stand up for what they used to. You know what I'm talking about. We've seen the thin white English blokes, the Blitzkrieg, they lived through the Germans bombed this whole place to shit. And they stood up and they said, fuck you, Jerry, we're gonna get you. And that's gone. How does one person Thatcher

1:10:55 who seems to be demonized. She's not the only person, I mean, the more recent things with all the cameras and stuff has got nothing to do with her. No, no, no, but at one, that was the beginning. That's when she broke the protesting nature of the Brits. She just broke it and it was, John, go back and look at the news stories. The police kicked people's fucking ass. Talk about your Gitmo nation. That was serious business. Those riots were no joke. And now it's like they got dogs, they got cameras. Everyone's afraid to talk. Well, we do it differently.

1:11:42 We have our free speech zones that nobody cares about and then we always make sure that when we have protests, we let the protests go but we only let the most nutty people protest now. So when like for example they had this you know recreate 68 or wherever it was and they go and visit these people. We put the nutty people on television. No, no you're wrong. What we do is we televise exactly what the message is and part of that message is look at these crackpot protesters Yeah, they're the guys that showed up. That's what we do exactly the system. Yeah, well works the system That's how we're in but and by the way that is exactly what they do who runs the media culture here who runs it I don't have to tell you it's fucking Murdoch. He owns the Sun and the news of the world he owns sky he owns all

1:12:32 every single piece of the of the big mass media. Well don't forget he owns the London Times. The London, thank you, the London Times. He owns it, he owns the message. And people hear this and go, you'll, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It is, it's a horrible, horrible situation here. And this is such a culture of newspapers. It's so important. You know, and I look at the brainwashing. My 82-year-old aged in-laws, love them. And by the way, the old man who lived through the obliteration of Rotterdam, he's very keyed into the stuff you and I talk about. He totally gets the evilness. He sees it. He saw a lot of it unfold. And he's been hungry.

1:13:15 He has a deep knowledge of things that I never had the experience of, but the two of them, all they can talk about for four days now, straight, is the top of the news, which is some millionaire's mansion burned down and a whole bunch of expensive cars were in it and the dogs were shot to death or something like that. It's the top of the news and they're completely brainwashed. That's all they can talk about. It even surpasses the US elections. It surpasses Georgia. It's everything. It's just unbelievable. It is so skillfully. This programming has... It works. It's amazing.

1:13:57 Yeah, well I think it's already, I think it's long been in play here. Oh yeah, sure. But it's, you know, with the brain dead coverage of, you know, Britney Spears. Sure. And all the rest of it. But now we have Obama, who's a Britney Spears, you know, type of person. Phenomenon. Phenomenon. He's perfect. Phenomenon. Phenomenon. He's a phenomenon. He's a phenomenon. So that's perfect. And so that actually plays right into it. I'm still not taking bets on him yet. Hey, check out sosgeorgia.com. There was a full page ad. I'm sorry, .org, not .com, .org. sosgeorgia.org. There was a full page ad in the Financial Times. I don't know what that cost, but that can't be cheap.

1:14:46 and it was really, um, shit I threw it out, I think it said Stalin, Lenin, Georgia, what next or something, it was a huge page and this was the link on it and I'm like, oh, so I wonder who did this, I do about us and then I get welcome my name is Mark Reinhagen it's like there's nothing about us, who's paying for this, who is this group? This is really slick. Thank you, but who is it? Well, it's obviously some agency. They overdid the slickness. Too much slickness here. I mean, this is like way over the top in terms of like too slick. And then there's that EU flag again, like they're in the EU. Dude, listen to this from Wikipedia. Mark Reinhagen, often written Reinhagen, is a role-playing card, video and board game designer

1:15:44 Best known as the creator of vampire the masquerade and its associated world of darkness games. Yeah, I think it's the same guy coincidence coincidence Really, you know, this is done. This is not only that but they're using the the classic red white and black kind of design which is a uh... proven to be have a certain impact and but i'd i'd just like to know if he has supported by a site well let's go do i think it was the thing to do obviously is to do a who is a student of the house is damn sight who is a server was s s s george uh... or a server which is the best who is server start with the internet and go backwards interest at least

1:16:41 s o s georgia dot org i got nothing how did that happen well it's around no i mean i literally got nothing back that's weird what you get huh i love it when you do that huh i got nothing but let me try it again i told you i just told you i got nothing that's the weirdest thing i did a command line who is even which is supposed to be uh The bomb diggity. Well, somebody out there can dig it up for us and we'll talk about it next week. Oh, here we go, I got it. Something popped. They're not saying who the registrar is. Okay, hold on, what do I have here? Uh, no they don't. Oh wait, no, here's the problem. It said .org and now they're only the, the internet's not doing .org anymore. They're only doing .com, .net, .edu. That's an interesting little trick. Huh. When did that happen? So I should be able to do it on ripe though.

1:17:45 Maybe. Let me try. No entries found in selected sources. New registry. This is a new registry. Whois server for .org. When did that happen? It's in the I can't watch. Where's my memo? Yeah, where's my memo? I'm a .org. That's interesting. Oh, this has been moved to the public interest registry. Well, here's another one I can do. This is always fun. .org. Here we go. I got it. Traceroute takes me to NTT.net in Dallas, Texas.

1:18:35 Okay, data center in Dallas you serve it. What did that just hit hold on this is interesting so I go to the dot org search engine For dot orgs only and it won't give me anything SOS Georgia org okay, so they're hosted at Dallas dash data center calm that's probably just a place where there's a server yeah, oh yeah of course and but then it was a results further to usness dot server survey IE dot I guess that's it Italy huh is it I T or IE IE is Ireland maybe it's LT LT what's LT LT no LT is like Lithuania or something Italy is IT yeah it hits a Lithuanian server before it goes to sosgeorgia.org hmm but that but I think that's kind of weird that we can't look up well they just change this thing around quite a bit

1:19:39 Yeah, sure likely story So Lithuania, what was the connection there? Well, I mean that just could be just just could be just routed all over tarnation Maybe, maybe it is. Okay, well I'm sure, you know what, if we sat here another ten minutes, we're not going to do. But somebody out there will know and they'll let us know anyway. Well anyway, in this about us, it says, where was it, note, we are constantly under attack by Russian denial of service attacks, likely Kremlin ordered. and you may have trouble sometimes accessing us. All we can ask is that you try again in a few minutes. We are working hard at counteracting these attacks but we do not have the resources they do. You spent it on the fucking full-page ad in the Financial Times. Hopefully we will resolve these issues soon. And why that audience? Why the Financial Times? And who is this Mark Reinhagen? Well, the whole thing seems to be some sort of a

1:20:43 Something aimed at a... obviously this is all aimed at some people that... which we're not part of. Some investment community or something. I mean, what would you do the financial times for? And that's expensive by the way. Yeah, it's gotta be. That's not a cheap ad. It's gotta be. That's probably like a $50,000 ad or something like that. That's what I'm saying. Oh, this site is under massive denial of service attack from Russian hackers. They've got a scroll. Our own security experts are doing everything they can to counteract these constant attacks. We are not always able to keep the site up. If you have trouble loading SOS Georgia, please try again in a few minutes under pictures of burning buildings. Please don't let them shut us up. Free speech means freedom of access to the web. If you can help, please write us." And they've got pictures of tanks and burning buildings. Alright. Well, we don't know yet, but you're right. Someone out there is going to figure it out. It's way too slick. Too slick. Yeah. Yeah, someone will get it for us.

1:21:42 Hopefully. There's a, what's the TBR, TBR News I think is the site. I'm looking at Robtex right now which shows all their servers. Robtex? Yeah, it's a... It's hard to tell you what Robtex does, but they do a lot of... SOS Georgia domain control by four name servers at sever... I can't pronounce it. S-E-R-V... Yeah, dot L-T. Yeah, somewhere in the same IP network, blah, blah, blah. It just breaks down websites. Yeah. Here's some other ones. Thewarrengeorgia.com is another one. It uses the mail server. At least 100 other hosts

1:22:31 share the name service with this domain the W the war in Georgia dot com blah blah blah so I see something so let's do what was the what was the the war in Georgia dot com should really get that through internec what would know what was the other one though the the data centers the war in Georgia oh the name there's your name servers it doesn't necessarily no no not no I understand how name servers work you know the the name of the of the hosting company they don't have it the warren george's registered ago daddy of course at to give it to you good to go get into owns it and i can do that this is uh... i don't think they're using the same name servers okay anyway somebody look it up for us somebody that has been you know more interest in redo we just know it looks kind of hokey or not hokey looks to you know there's no armada in the black sea no ships here

1:23:37 Keep on sailing. This little site Robtex also has a little map which is kind of interesting. That's cool. right anything else john because i don't want to just get stuck on now i don't know you have a good start going to hear did doing searches while we're talking to him and you know i guess i said now so uh... that's the problem with the with the net i mean you get that we do this when you do the twitch show to it's like you know we everyone gets on the computer next thing we know really sure that this is a good stuff talking there was a lot of the last which shows pretty good

1:24:15 Was it? Yeah, it was okay. I think you were right about calling Kevin Rose out about, yeah dude, you always do this, you always tease shit and never give us anything. No, he does. Well, yeah, but at least he gave something. I know he doesn't mean to no I understand, but he just constantly doing it Yeah, so maybe he'll you know think about it in the future make sure you talk him in again to tend to exposing one of his details Did you notice that which one was that I probably I forgot some Something about what he believes someone's gonna happen. He would didn't want to be embarrassed if it didn't you know anybody cares and Anyway, it looks like the warrengeorgia.com is the real key for people out there who want to research this these guys anyway No, that's about it. There's some news. You know, this is gonna be Republicans are gonna have their crummy convention this week, which will probably be dull. You're going to Minnesota Are you still going? No, no, no, no that

1:25:07 What happened? Well, I still plan on going but I won't be doing the emceeing. So here's what happened. You got bumped? No, not entirely. It was miscommunication on my part. So I'd already said yes, I'm coming, you got it. I said that to their main guy, Don Rasmussen. And then he said, well I'll have someone call about flights. And I'd kind of already arranged my own stuff. I'm like, I'll take care of that. I don't need anything from them. you know, they keep their money in their pocket. And so Shelly had called me and I thought, oh yeah, I'll call her back after I get back. It was Wednesday or Thursday when I was in San Francisco. So I'll call her back on Monday and just tell her everything's all arranged. So yeah, I was on San Francisco time, so I kind of forgot about it until I got back. And then, you know, all of a sudden it's like they had this

1:26:00 some uh... democratic uh... governor or whatever and you know we couldn't reach you and like okay whatever no worries i'd still like a backstage pass so it was a has a democratic governor do the mc nothing they haven't they watch the obama show and had a clue that need some showbiz people out front yeah well it's okay and it's it's not it's not about me or about the s me speaking is uh... That's what Obama says. He said, Rush Limbaugh did a thing on this. They dissected his speech and they kept saying, I, I, I, I, I, I. And it was like, there must have been a thousand instances where he says, I, I, I do this, I do that, and this, and then at the very end, there's two jokes in his speech. One of them, at the very end, after all this I, I, I, was,

1:26:48 But it's not about me, it's about you, was a classic. Which is very funny. But the funnier one was another one the right-wingers jumped on, which was Obama throwing the line out, I am my brother's keeper. And so then they cut to pictures of his brother in Kenya living in the mud hut. Oh shit. Yeah, right. He hasn't given him a nickel. Dude, no, I'm telling you, that family there in Kenya, you're wrong about that. There's some powerful mojo going on there. Don't let the mud hut throw you off. He does come from power in Kenya. There's something going on. It needs to be investigated. It does.

1:27:29 Alitalia went into Chapter 11, did you know that? No. When was this? Yesterday. This is big because there was no Chapter 11 equivalency in Italy. And so after they already pumped 400 million euros into trying to save this thing, they changed the actual bankruptcy law. For Alitalia to go into this, you know new form of I guess would called receivership almost great so they have bankruptcy protection which herefore did not exist in Italy, so they just changed the law just to make it easy and But no one wants to buy it, you know Everyone wants a piece and so literally part of from what I understand part of the way it's supposed to work is they

1:28:13 Alitalia, they're going to shed off all of the bad bits, which is, let's see, everything, and literally dump that, and they're going to restart with a new Alitalia, which will be pretty much nothing more than the brand and whatever employees they decide to keep. And that is what KLM is interested in investing in, but they don't want the whole thing. and who else, let me see if I can find it here. I know KLM, Air France KLM I should say, KLM isn't, it's really Air France. Who else was interested? Maybe it was American or... No, the only one mentioned in the Financial Times today is Air France KLM. So, that's a huge deal because they do all the flights in Italy. I mean everything. Right, which is the way, you know, that system is obviously falling apart.

1:29:08 So yeah, I thought that was pretty big. Yeah, what's interesting is they get the money grab of the 400 million, all the executives get paid. Everyone got bonuses, with bonuses. And then they fold the whole thing and then they go off and do their own thing someplace else, but they don't have to worry about working again. You know, they have the military on the streets now in Italy. You know that, right? No. Kidding really yeah, they're not in Rome. They haven't you reported. I don't see that reported here Yeah, no the Berlusconi or the military. I mean, I think this is all still part of the The gypsies they want to get rid of but that you know they burn the gypsies houses and these are illegal immigrants and So yeah, there's thousands of troops on the streets of Rome Milan Venice even

1:30:01 And you know maybe only two or three thousand per city, but still just to get rid of gypsies Yeah, just to make everyone feel good. You could Google it. I mean this happened a couple weeks ago. It's been going on for weeks Yeah Well, we were kept in the dark here. Well, this is after Bela Skoni also changed the rules so that you know to make the courts more efficient exactly They're not going to investigate fraud cases that date prior to him. No, no the date prior to like 2003 or whatever it was which whenever it was that he created exactly whenever he may have allegedly committed some crime Hmm interesting to hell in a handbasket. I tell you

1:30:46 Yep, and that's what we talk about on this show. That's right, absolutely nothing. We don't know anything about nothing, damn it. And right, don't care. So yeah, so I guess you're right, it's gonna be, it probably won't be as good a show. Who could be a great speaker at the Republican convention? They got nothing. Really? You should look at this drop dot a o slash no agenda John that I set up I hope you are checking that out from time to time look at it once in a while, okay? Cuz you know a lot of the things that a lot of things we talked about here They did the research is done on it for instance my pulse energy weapon concept. Oh, you know Everybody's just you know you're pushing your luck with this stuff. What's what's the name of the what is drop? What is it again drop dot io?

1:31:41 slash no agenda and it's cool because You people out there listen you can upload stuff. You can do research. You can drop files. You can call in voicemail You can subscribe to it even it'll even It includes enclosures so that if there's an audio file it'll drop into your aggregator or your iTunes or whatever It's cool. These guys are awesome. I love what they're doing. We're gonna run out of space on this one pretty quick though Yeah, I do a no agenda tool why? Well, you said you were running out of space. No, I'll ask them. They'll give us an upgrade. I just got to contact them. They're still in alpha or whatever, beta, I don't know. Yeah, here's the one that Britain's Too Unruly. It's in here. Yeah, sure it is. Yeah, it's good stuff. All right, well, I'll go over and see if I can use anything in the blog. Yeah, check out... what is that? You got a phone call?

1:32:33 No, it's a train. There's some train that comes by every day around this time. He's not really that close to me, but this idiot comes. Always toots? There's no crossing within like a mile either direction where you're hearing that horn honk. And the guy comes through because there's a bunch of residences down there. I'm at the top of a hill and I can see down there. and they just I think he just does it as a joke. No John what it is is don't you remember when you were a kid used to drive by the radio station honk really loud so you could hear it on the on air this is what the guys doing is like hey man I'm gonna honk. Hey wait a minute. We'll be on Noah's agenda. Hey stop right there. We'll be on Noah's agenda. I still do that. We had at the... back in the day, this just reminds me, we were working at the very early NOS studios. This is 1983 and it was not... it was almost like a Russian setup, you know, state-run, everything was gray, all the cabinets were gray, big black bakelite knobs for everything and for Echo or, yeah, Reverb, there was no digital equipment at the time. They actually had a room, a plate room,

1:33:38 filled with these huge plates that you could manipulate and they could jack into different plates to give different types of echoes and reverbs. And when the mic cracked on the Evangelical show, which was opposite to ours on a different frequency, we would put on a record and we'd go, because it was located right near the men's bathroom, and when their mic cracked, then we'd start stomping around and yelling and banging on the door and you could really hear it on air because it would come through the reverb. on the microphones. Ah, the good old days. Yeah, well, them good old days. Yeah, we don't have... Actually, I remember when the reverb boxes first came out, pre-digital. Those things are actually... Little coil? Yeah, those things are actually collectible. Oh, I'm sure they are. I guess that's it for us. Okay, hold on. Then in that case... Nos pistachios.

1:34:39 here we go here it could be a couple of some what's happening and she has been there that really tells you it's time to wrap things up by john what are you doing this week besides watching the convention uh... probably uh... gonna work on some website stuff and uh... try to get this summer writing done that needs to be finished and before the election and uh... trying to make sure that she said you know Nothing just another September day in Silicon Valley in the house, you know All right. Well, I'm sticking around here and let's unless I decide Monday to go to Minneapolis All right, but honestly I'm tired Okay. Oh, yeah twit you doing it. I don't know. I think so. Okay, that's good Cuz I like that for my for my Monday walks a big deal If you're listening to this show once in a while, please

1:35:48 Alright everybody, that's it for this week. Coming to you from Gitmo East, I'm Adam Curry. And from Gitmo Nation West, I'm John C. Yes, yes, yes. I'm John C. Dvorak, also in Silicon Valley North, which is a place that really doesn't exist. Don't ask a cab driver. I'm John C. Dvorak up here. The sun's coming out. And we'll see you next week, right here on NO Agenda.