Almost Live From GitmoNation

00:01 Once again it's time for the program that emanates to you from two separate corners of Gitmo Nation. It's Sunday afternoon, it's time once again for No Agenda in the United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry and I am John C. Dvorak here in northern Silicon Valley A place that doesn't exist also known as Gitmo Nation West Yes, I'm Gitmo Nation East your Gitmo Nation West which is our new mantra Yeah, and it makes nothing but sense. In fact all my Twitter followers have all agreed that's not a bad term and probably apropos... Right this is the word we've been looking for for the fascist state instead of using fascism were just going to use Gitmo Nation. Or Nouveau Fascism or... No! Gitmo Nation! It's Gitmo Nation let's keep it at that I love it

00:56 Anyway, so what's going on? Yeah. Oh you came into the US and then you left again yeah That means you get got that you get to give us another one of your fabulous tales from the TSA Yes I do So we need a like a bumper for that You'd like a jingle yeah Okay folks out there. Oh wait actually before Before I tell you that listen to this is kind of funny Hey Don, hey Adam. This is Mark up here in the creek and I just got finished listening to episode 42 of No Agenda and i just loved it they're getting better and better every time i think you can't get any better something happens and in this case along comes conspiracy theory adam

01:38 So now we have the prospect of listening to Dvorak playing Scully to Adam's Mulder and it's just tremendously funny. The last episode cracked me up, so keep up the good work guys and remember John even the reptilians they work for us How much do you love that? Yeah unfortunately the people out there don't realize how close that is to reality It is completely true uh... yes so coming into the states this was a week ago on sunday yet some time back in the u k i just got in a couple hours ago um... coming and hand off the passports i did not uh... at you know it said on the daily source for me to disable my r f i d chip and see what happens and that people strongly advised against that because it's a it's a crime you're not allowed to destroy any part of your passport

02:35 Although I do know how to do it. I do know the best ways, obviously Anyway so didn't do that So up a went into the RFID scanner bleep the screen comes up by look at the agent female agent And she's tapping away and I said you know You might just want to call the team leader or shall I just go straight in on that now? Now I got an attitude right till I just go straight onto secondary. No where the little room is Hold on a second, I can't actually do this from here is what she said. So she picks up the phone calls another agent comes over mail agent and they're both looking at the screen and they mark an M on my landing card and so you have to go to secondary now you can just go through to to the regular secondary which would normally be my tertiary screening. So that was it sorry? I'm sorry for the process

03:24 is there's actually two secondaries and one of them you were going to choose different secondary before now you had to go to one yeah well when you enter the united states you always go through customs then you pick up your bag and then you have to actually leave in that's really the checkpoint right that's where they have all those uh... counters may take people out may go for their bags and see if they have dairy products or other contraband so that's normally Kind of a secondary for everybody that's really where the you know whatever whatever at that point has been marked on your Landing card if there's any action that needs to be taken appropriately or they can just fish you out right, okay? But there is an actual secondary which is a little room all the way off to the left in the corner Which is kind of like kind of like a waiting room at the at your high school infirmary

04:13 You know what I mean? Where you got like... Yeah, the nurse. Yeah the nurse kind of like folding chairs and there's a little square there and couple agents sit there and they're going through shit And you just sit there and feel like a horrible person So i didn't have to go through that But of course I had a marking on my landing card so i showed it to the agent and you know, the agent picks up the little blue pouch. I know the whole drill and walk straight on And this agent was really nice! He's like... John they know me by now They know the story, they know me So im just asking him shit point blank Im saying what is the M for? Is that for money? Which isn't my favorite

04:54 No, no. I said what is it? Master... It stands for match. Ah okay this is the Adam Curry from Nebraska that we've been hearing about and now he's smiling right because he's looking at the terminal He says yeah and so he's actually letting a little bit more through than I think you probably should Yeah, yeah, yeah And I said well look You know, can't you guys like just take me off the list? He says well here's the problem. The problem is this other Adam Curry is on the watch, so they know on our list to if he tries to enter through this port and I guess he said...I don't know if he's in Nebraska or not

05:31 So if we take all Adam Curry's off, then we'll never have a match. It would be a different birth date... Apparently their systems just aren't sophisticated enough or they don't want to take any risk that there could be a different birth date used and some kind of like the evil Adam could kill me and use my passport Um... The evil Adam. So I said, well why don't you just arrest this guy already? We know he's in Nebraska! You know we know he has my name. We know that he is younger than I am. Arrest the guy already and then it was like Well.... You know the agency that is interested in him Doesn't actually want to arrest him They say they are watching him and they wanna see what he does And he says yeah something like that so there ya go

06:20 Well, I guess that's never gonna end then. Not until they grab this guy and what the hell is he doing? He probably not doing anything but we should start... Why don't we do... Let's just find him. Let's talk to him. Let's find him and find out who he is. Yeah Maybe it was just some schmuck Well, I heard there were that he was driving a red pickup truck in Nebraska. That was the latest report I had, but I agree we should crank this up a little bit because it's just too interesting let's find out what he has done. Are they going to let this guy float around forever? If they're interested in him how many years is this gonna go on before they either pick him or... What are waiting for them to do punch somebody? How am I getting this? Clearly they're waiting for him to commit some kind of felony there snooping on him

07:12 What did he do before that? He'd be on this list in the first place. Is he a protester, is like guy in the world's workers party? I don't know. My curiosity is getting to best of me. Alright we need our audience to help us with that one if you're in Nebraska look for this guy Are we sure it was in Nebraska or North Dakota No I'm pretty sure it was Nebraska Who in Nebraska is going to be... Whatever. It does of course uncover an inherent flaw in the system, you know? So Adam Curry is not a very common name although there was a well-known basketball player named Adam Curry There was some 17 year old kid who died of leukemia recently named Adam Curry I know that because that shit shows up in my personal ego filter but almost any name you can think of it's going to have a whole bunch of people who have the same name

08:06 And that just inherently exposes the whole problem. It's like, you know okay they can't take the one name off because you know they're not mashing on anything else but the name first name last name Yeah so that means a guy if he wants to sneak out of the country all he has to do is get you know go down in Los Angeles get a phony passport where they sell them on the streets changes named a French mark and walk through customs yeah we just walk across the border in Canada whatever his driver's license I don't know is speaking of Canada you know that we signed an agreement with Canada and arms it and on arms a military agreement but what does it say I'm gonna look at this right now this was in The Times over here shit thats not

08:59 Let me just find it. Where the hell is it now? I've done all this prep work, there you go, shows me right for trying to prep something. Apparently in February some kind of agreement was signed between the US and Canada that should we have any problems that will help each other out, kind of like a NATO type deal I guess that our armed forces would then fight with each other. They're calling it... Maybe that's just for military, you know if they have martial law? Only if that happens! And we need some extra troops exactly I just thought it was interesting you didn't hear about that anywhere We don't hear about anything let's face in fact It took awhile before the Russia by the way we were remiss last week not to discuss Georgia Yeah yeah that was really dumb That was really stupid of us

09:53 Not to miss that. You know, actually I... you want to talk about that? Do you want to talk about that now or do you wanna talk about Clinton because Clinton's kind of high on my list Let's talk about the other thing first because the Clinton thing is, ya know... Okay It doesn't too nutty to start to show off with and lose too many people Alright So I guess when we're talking about Georgia and I have found a couple really cool other cool things to look at and to read. Well, I've been listening to the right-wing talk radio shows and it started off as you know Russia's the bad guy Russia is the bad guy that's the litany that's what the talking points are You know they came in there trying to assert themselves or trying to make sure none of these countries that used to be allied with them are part of the Soviet Union Are going to join NATO And this is all blaming Russia Then I noticed about halfway through the week

10:45 The tone was softened as if we're going to start to change our tune officially. And of course, if you follow it... In fact I had a really good post on the blog You have to go back a ways but its called Look Up Search For Reader Challenge And there's a bunch of people that keep chiming in about the timeline, about what really happened here. It is really Georgia that is the aggressor trying to shut down the Ossetians and that whole area from... because they wanted it become their own country now

11:26 Anyway, so you've done back and forth. That's not entirely true I mean they're already their own country but... Officially they're part of Georgia Oh, I'm sorry you mean Ossetia. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, I misunderstood what you were saying yeah exactly yeah in fact they were just given a lot of the Ossetians were given Russian passports in the past month or so Yeah well here's their story I got from my friend My daughter's friend is Russian and her mom's are Georgian So I went over there and I decided to take you know some interrogation I asked her. Yeah, I interrogated her here's what she said by the way that Russian passport thing they've been getting... Somebody has got to do it Exactly so that Russian passport thing for a couple of weeks or whatever says bogus They've had Russian passports for two years okay good or longer

12:23 And she gave me the rundown on this. She says that, that the whole Georgian border thing was set up by Stalin originally. She takes the whole story back to the 40s. Wow okay And she says this one group, it was never felt that they're part of Georgia. They were always felt more connected to Russia and somewhere along the line they made a lot of noise about being either independent or joining Russia and having the borders wrap around them rather than be in Georgia And this is that area, the Ossetia. There's not just Ossetia there is another one I can't barely pronounce which she kept referring to

13:03 And she said the Russians long ago decided that they will support this break-off group, uh... the splinter group or whatever you want to call it. They did give them passports, they all have Russian passports most of whom speak Russian and Russia said it would support them if they wanted to become part of Russia Or if they wanted to become their own stand alone country But there's some indication that Russia might not support them being fully incorporated into Georgia. Now, a couple things came out of it. One of them is the oil runs through that area but she mentions something that has never been brought up in the press which is this one area and the reason Russians like or want to be part or they wanna be tight with America

13:51 It's the number one, it essentially produces all the citrus fruits for everybody. The citrus fruit you said? Yeah! Oranges and lemons and everything that has got vitamin C in it comes from this area. And I guess feeds the whole of Russia and every place else like this huge...it is a Florida of ex-Soviet Union so never heard that before. There also that port which the Russians want to get hold up And she said just a couple of things. One is that the president of Georgia has this spiel that he gives about how they've ended all corruption.

14:32 she's got she knows lots of people that would say that's bogus it's a it's just the public relations stunt there is plenty of corruption well, it's... you know, Saakashvili is also credited and credits himself with bringing new economic growth and wealth which of course is all fed in by the US right. It's our money so anyway You talked about this during the week, which is that in Holland they follow the Saakavili guy closely and you might want to explain why. Because he is married to Sandra Rulofs who is a Dutch girl and it goes a little bit further

15:23 an RTL news cameraman was killed, a Dutch camera man was killed during one of the shellings and so that's been kind of the front pages of the news of course. And Sandra Ruloff has announced that she is going to be attending his funeral and wake which from what I've read the family has responded to with mixed feelings. Hell yeah! What a political move regardless of whether she's Dutch or whether she cares. Yeah, now this Shelling... apparently this guy was killed by the Georgian Shelling That? I don't know Well there seems to be a lot evidence that most people killed in that area were killed by Georgians not Russians but anyway so they follow this guy very carefully

16:16 in Holland and so then you pointed out to me some of the stories running over there that nobody in other Western media is picking up. especially the part of this guy being some sort of a sex weirdo. Yeah, there's a couple things so the first one actually I'm gonna Skype you a link right now which you have to watch even just turn the sound off is from BBC I just want you to watch for two things this is a Sakashvili and he says you know there's a little bit of actually some good combat footage which haven't seen anywhere in this news you see actual you know like rockets are not not just a couple of them But a certain point if I turn it down, well then I can turn it down. Yeah So anyway so you see him sitting behind his desk he's on the phone and the guy is eating his tie Okay? He's literally eating it And to the right You'll see actually he's sitting in between two flags one Is what I presume as the Georgian flag and To the right of him is the flag Of The European Union! And guess what Georgia is not In The European Union

17:18 They're not NATO either, but just look at this guy. Oh yeah I see him eating his tie that's weird. Not to blog this. Well actually people out there who don't want to deal with my blog they should go to Asaska Vili Eats His Tie which is the name of the clip. And there are a couple more clips of him and I'm sure you've seen footage when he's outside and all of sudden the plane comes overhead and he goes running and starts crying like a little baby and covering up with all kinds of flak jackets, and just look at the guy's demeanor. Just look at him! And you're like... very suspect. So indeed one of the stories I picked up from the Dutch alternative press is apparently this Saakashvili which makes total sense if he is a tool of the Bush-Cheney clan that he's a sex maniac and insatiable appetite for sex

18:09 They've actually confronted his wife, because she was in Holland for like six months and they said you know well is it true that your husband's a sex maniac which is kind of the most straightforward way forward. The Dutch press did this right? Yeah alternative press and she said no I'm just... No that's not true I'm glad you asked me to my face I'm just here because uh you know I have another child on the way and I want the child to be born in peaceful surroundings But that is some of the word out there. But just when you look at the guy and his demeanor, he just looks nuts!

18:47 So I asked, with that in mind...I asked this woman who i was interrogating Sabina's mom. She used to be a swimmer for the Russians or something. Ah she defected! One of those. Well not a defectee but they let her leave or something like that. But anyway, I mentioned the sex thing and she said oh well it doesn't surprise me Well, it wasn't even like a... It was just the water off his back. Yeah, it was like a big revelation. Do you ever read Pravda? The English version of Pravda? Not often You might in these days because they got some really good art. The article you might like is Is Condoleezza Rice Stupid? That's pretty funny! It really shows ya

19:46 how the thing... Well, you know she's supposed to be that's the joke of this whole event. She is supposed to be the big Russian expert! Oh yeah here it even says something about that. So every paragraph starts with Is Condoleezza Rice stupid? Here is another one she claims to be a Russian expert but her command of the language was recently exposed as being basic slash elementary level on a Russian radio program just as her grasp what is going on in Russia today seems beneath the informed blogger level That's in the Pravda. That's pretty funny. Yeah, well Pravda has become... it is not like a state institution anymore It has become almost like the National Enquirer kind of thing They have a lot of really funny stories Ever since I've been talking about this and we're talking about on The Daily Source Code as well you know basically the point being look Georgia started with they had 3,000 US security consultants

20:41 uh... on the ground before this happened which of course is another word for mercenaries um... you know there are georgians in u.s. combat fatigues unit it'd be all this report is if it's all in the news uh... and and there isn't good reporting but as usual near the real overtones is just completely dominated by the talking points which is no russia back off rush at the aggressor and that's being you know fed by bush n mccain you know, just the way the media is writing the story. Well it's even funnier with Obama because he initially seems to have found the right explanation and then because it was so...you know, the blame Russia thing was pounded so hard in the press that Obama switched

21:32 It seems to have gone to the other side. Now if he has to switch back, talk about it flip-flopper I mean it's going to be embarrassing He just can't hold his ground. His masters are telling him to do that Apparently So anyway, so the story seems to be that we're not getting the story. That's the way I could... Well that's what I think is most interesting at this point is okay here we have and if you haven't I'm sure you can just please go to Dvorak dot org slash blog and take a look at this 12-year old kid and her mom who were on Fox News. Yeah, it was hilarious! What just amazes me is to see how it actually works you know to see how we do know the actual truth And at the end of the day Russian no real nice guys right? I mean all... The Russians, the Chinese, Americans they're all thugs They're all thugs running the show so I'm not trying to say anyone's good

22:34 But in this case, we clearly know what happened. We clearly know it was US and Israeli-backed aggression from Georgia First blood first fire or whatever And that's being completely turned around and Russia is being made to look like they started it all It's just amazing to me to watch that actually happen and see... you know..it's already cemented You know? It's already....that.....It's what happened! It will go down on history Yes a meme So it reminds me of the, you know if you poll the American public today after all these years You will still get the fact that Iraq are the ones who brought down the trade towers kind of thing. Oh yeah! Yeah, of course It's a hopeless situation I mean for the propaganda artists they once were

23:31 I think they don't do a very good job of manipulating the media. They're horrible, but they don't own it that's the problem if you own it is a lot easier yeah I think thats true just look at Fox News man its fantastic to see when the minute something happens that isn't supposed... You can almost hear someone in the control room go PULL THE PLUG! Well, they really blew it with that mom and her daughter because they couldn't you know she Because the daughter you know they had obviously had them on some sort of a track to say this and that And then the daughter just interrupts us says hey before we go on I want to thank Russia for saving my life Which was scripted? I mean you could tell today That thing I was like here's what we're gonna Here's what we're really gonna do when we get on yeah You could you could tell that that was set up but what a great setup. Yeah, no it was pretty funny I Really enjoyed it

24:27 And then the Fox guys are all nervous about it. Crack me up You know Fox doesn't have to be quite so uptight with you know, the countervailing opinions about anything It's just um You know they just they draw attention to themselves with some of this stuff Yeah and my favorite is fox and friends Have you ever watched that? No Oh! You really should That's where they, um... They kind of like uh... You know it's like a morning news show. And they sit around and drink coffee and laugh about the news! And this shit that comes out their faces is just so incredible! How they dismiss stuff. Well you know there was a report somebody had worked at Fox forgot what story was I got to think about for me but apparently some election someplace

25:23 the Republicans were losing and apparently it brought the staff in the whole studio, actually they were visibly sobbing and crying. What was that for? Well this is like apparently these guys are so caught up in politics of it all that I mean if the idea fair and balanced just a joke Hey you know I keep hearing more about... Although have to say the other side is just as bad Of course What's the um, the fairness uh doctrine? Yeah the fairness doctrine. Man I hear that more and more these days. I know it comes back around elections every single time but i'm just hearing a lot

26:05 Yeah, it's not going to get anywhere. There is no way at this point... I mean the Supreme Court would strike it down and that's ridiculous. And besides that you know either side can take advantage of the situation as now exists. It's just an anti-Rush Limbaugh thing really what amounts to. They can't take anymore. But here used more in context of blogs Oh yeah! That's right well actually there was a we blogged this The FCC made an out-and-out comment that, you know if we...if the Fairness Doctrine is re-installed it may actually apply to the Internet. Oh please! Oh my God I mean you could probably go along but you know what should end up with? I think because of the bloggers being so subversive generally speaking You'd end up with boilerplate

26:53 So you'd make your comment, whether a right-wing blog or left wing blog. You would make your anti Bush or pro Bush comment and then have a piece of boilerplate that you put at the end which would give the opposite opinion. It would always be exactly the same. We could write a script it will just be exactly the opposite Yeah, you jabbed... right. And whatever you said then had exactly the opposite and it'd make it sound stupid I mean if you have a bunch of things to say that are well reasoned You could do put in just the opposite and make it sound like a blithering idiot But its the opposite this is not going anywhere Did you speak Canada did you hear somewhere that

27:39 When I hear about this that some ISP or like big cable network maybe, the CEO... God! I wish i had this story in front of me. Said that looks like they were gonna have only a sanctioned website list that you could go to and be approved portals that you could then jump off from but you wouldn't just get any website anymore? Have heard about this? No That won't fly. Well, you wouldn't think it would but it was kind of interesting It's just one of those things that is floating out there. It's probably done by one of these CEOs who has never been on the web Yeah I mean...I don't see how that could ever happen

28:19 So anyway, so let's go back to our Georgia-Russia thing and take it up a notch. Because you pointed this out to me where we had dinner the other night which we'll talk about in a minute but you point out that while all of this was going on strangeness was taking place in Africa that nobody paid any attention too. And I even picked up the Financial Times at the airport and there was nothing in it. Mauritania There was a coup in Mauritania, which is for those who don't know is a large portion of West Africa. It's almost all of West Africa actually and I never even heard of this before until I came across this little blurb and the reason why it caught my eye because the coup had taken place like 10 days ago now which is almost simultaneous with what happened in Georgia

29:10 But they installed a former European Union ambassador as either the prime minister or the temporary prime minister. It was a bloodless coup, so they say. The military took over but what's interesting about Mauritania is that about 30% of China's oil comes from Mauritania That's where they import it from. A large portion of their minerals comes from Mauritania, even I believe 20% of the US' imported oil comes from Mauritania. No that is not possible! Most of our oil comes from Alberta Canada Let me see...

29:48 Granted, it was probably a Wikipedia article. I think what you're reading is that 20% of the oil produced by them may go to us but doesn't mean that's our... It could be 2%, 1% spit in the bucket for us Well who knows? I'm not actually counting that shit. I'm not counting the barrels Okay so then of course I can also question if 30% was all of China's oil or 30% went into China I think its the other way yeah So, uh... It's not unimportant. Let's put it that way. No China is linked in there I was doing some research about this and you discover that most of the action took place just within the last year or so. And you know the Chinese were doing more and more deals down there The Chinese are all over Africa trying to get everything they can out of there and then install like a lot of their own people

30:42 There's something that obviously broke the camel's back here, that resulted in this bloodless coup which took place coincidentally right during the Georgia thing. Which makes me wonder who is in bed with who on these things including us with the Russians? Because you know it's possible Putin and Bush actually do like each other. And they just said let's get rid of this asshole Yeah. Hey, that coked out sex fiend? I'm tired of him! It could be, because the whole thing is a lot of saber-rattling. The US says, oh there's the Russians... I mean it's possible that this guy that's running Georgia has got to go and... So let me just say two things about Saakashvili. The two things that are really really... That show some weirdness there is the European Union flags everywhere although Georgia is not a member of the European Union. That's weird! Okay? That's just fucking weird

31:39 and this whole George Bush Avenue, and that picture you sent me of George Bush waving to you at the airport. I mean come on! It's crazy! Yeah but there is an actual George Bush Avenue. And it leads to the airport. Okay that's possible but why did they have to go kill 2,000 or 3,000 people to get rid of this guy beyond me? Well, here's the other thing that is interesting. You should... People... I didn't realize this until I started... I found that photo by the way on Flickr and if you go to look up Tbilisi

32:19 On Flickr, there is a lot of photos taken from people in this area and they've posted them on Flickr. There's hundreds and hundreds of them And that's including the some new modernization projects that they have going on that are just spectacular But I'd recommend look at it as you start looking these photos like I like to visit this places It looks like a photographer's dream come true which is really photogenic yeah? I'm looking right now That is pretty amazing isn't it Wow mix of architecture. Yeah, and then you can go on and on and keep clicking away and see more stuff if you want to just wish you were there taking photos if you like taking photos Meanwhile there's one other thing that happened during this era Well there are a couple things... The other thing that you may have not noticed is Nigeria seems to be under some sort of guerrilla attack for its oil No I haven't seen that

33:12 Yeah. So it's still in a guerrilla attack phase? No puppet has been put in place yet? Not yet, no but there is like...a lot of action Well the other thing that happened I'm thinking why do they...I think maybe its a Nigerian scam but I couldn't come up with the right joke for this I understand where you're going though Dear George Bush! I would like to send you 5 billion dollars All I need is your bank account Well, of course Russia... the United States installed nuclear missiles or at least made the agreement to install nuclear missiles in Poland. That was the other thing that really came together nicely in this same week. Yeah well that would piss off the Russians!

34:01 So you know, you don't think it's a coincidence though that they made this announcement even though they really haven't put any missiles in yet after it was noted Russia wants to get closer to Cuba? Well of course not. I think actually was the other way around. I heard... Oh okay yeah good for you. You know this whole Poland thing has been going on for awhile and and uh... and then rush out of the russian general said well we might be considering a cuba and now that was not okay let's take it one step further perhaps are intelligence agencies discovered that they're going to do something with cuba so we preempted possible poland thing possible ticket you know ok let me let me take it to the highest level in the wing got to get off it okay here to hear comes your your molder moment um... all what's happening here

34:45 is we want to get the Russians all riled up, and we wanna get the Chinese all riled up. That's why were messing with them in Africa because we actually want China to invade Russia. Yeah man come on it makes so much sense! We want you know... It's like you want your minerals? Why don't you go get them in Russia You want some oil? Go get it in Russia Get out of here! Go make war with Russia cause Russia's angry anyway if you strike on him they'll fire on you Think about it! Its not that crazy Well, you know it's an interesting comment. I mean there has always been a fear when Nixon opened China up...

35:23 It was, there's apparently something going on in Mao's head about the fear of Russia. I mean the Chinese and Russians are right... they're on each others border! I mean it gotta be like a moment of consideration for that Of course! Ok we'll let that slide at this one No come on i'm sticking with this one I think.. I like it no I like it They want China and Russia to get all pissed off Where is Indonesia? Indonesia has gotta be apart of this somehow We're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, we want a Southeast Asia They're down and I'm you know now with Singapore and those guys yeah Okay, hey dude have you seen the pictures of Bush at the Olympics? This is a couple I saw him on TV a couple of times haven't seen any photos where he looks drunk Oh yeah, well there's yeah, we blogged one of them how about but you know has a big scrape on his right forearm

36:14 And of course everyone's now saying, oop did he fall down? Did he hurt himself while hammered. I think this is the first time he has ever been to China or am i wrong? You know when he was a kid and never left the country even though his dad...I think I've told this story before but might as well tell it again He is uh...and I got this on outstanding authority from a friend who was in school with him at Yale uh... his dad uh... was ambassador to china did not get your average or as much we had we made this guy president i stay so getting isn't unit with the time he was a bit elected present he had never left the country's possibly to wander into mexico for a taco and when they're going to france you know what do your beer went africa south america didn't go to jamaica

37:05 And so maybe. So anyway, his dad was the ambassador to China and while you kind of poo-pooed the whole thing because he has people in foreign service in your background but He apparently his dad sent a note they're gonna have some big shindig in Beijing You know that the embassy was going to put on and invited George and gave me you know Give him a ticket to go to China To have up to party which seems like it logical thing for him to do And he refused to go because he didn't want to leave the country. I don't know. I'm not poo-pooing that what are you talking about? Poo-pooing well, you told me they get sick of these parties

37:43 Oh me? Yeah, yeah. No you mean it that way sure but that's a good one I'll corroborate that with Don. I think he was already in the bush camp at the time So he didn't go to China when his dad was the ambassador there talk about him giving an opportunity for fun. Yeah now That's not as idea of fun. No apparently not He's a puppet So anyway, on to a different topic. We had dinner and we have to do one of our rare restaurant reviews. Yeah now this was interesting because this is the first restaurant that I've been to that we actually entered the restaurants through shopping mall. That was Bloomingdale's no less! That was very...that was interesting

38:25 Yeah, I found that it's an unusual place to have a restaurant or you know fairly high-end restaurant. They'd have to go through a shopping mall to get there although i've seen other similar things There's a couple of restaurants in Atlanta Georgia that are positioned like this What was the name of it again? Larkspur Steakhouse all right yeah and It's a Bradley Ogden place anyone who's familiar with the chefs in the west coast usually has heard of Bradley Ogden and he, this is his only steakhouse that I know of. And he has a, his place in Las Vegas for awhile was the top rated restaurant and it was called Bradley Ogden's but in San Francisco he runs One Market which is the place you were reminded of because it has a similar architect. Right, that's right One Market yeah your right your right that what it was yep But his claim to fame is thing called The Larkspur Inn which is actually in Larkspur

39:23 I've known the guy for a while, run into him a few times. He's a very interesting character because...I think he is one of the guys even though i didn't see any evidence of it at the steakhouse generally speaking his food has exaggerated flavors And the only other guy that manages to pull this off is Bully in New York City who had Boolies and then Bully Bakery, and I think he's running some other place now too. What do you mean by exaggerated flavor exactly? Well, it's like they do something. I think they cheat. It's MSG! That's what it is For example, Bully one time...I was at one of his places and he had this banana dish And the banana flavor was so intense that there had to be some banana extract or something reduced bananas There was something going on

40:19 And it was delicious, I'm not complaining. But Bradley manages to get these... So the flavors are heightened and they're more intense than they would normally be for whatever dish you're talking about. And one of things that I've always noticed with his cooking is Even though some of his presentations aren't absolutely French-style spectacular, the food usually will out... If you had a bunch of different plates and he was doing the same dish as everyone else, his would taste better. So let me give you a top line review and then you can jump in. First of all, so placement interesting

40:56 I really like the booths. I actually didn't even notice if the whole restaurant was that way, but i like the kind of three by three booths where you can... it's most comfortable if its either just two or four people Right. That was really good the music was three decibels too loud at least the sax it was like you know very typical almost Kenny G like music that wasn't I didn't like the music that was unfortunate, I very much appreciate our server saying would you like regular ice water instead of forcing a bottle of some expensive shit on us? right and everyone out there should know that amongst the foodies right now

41:35 Tap water is in ah there you go especially for you always ask for tap water don't buy the bottle waters of There's a number of articles in the trades about this about how what did it turn into a rip-off way in the foodie trades? Yeah, oh What foodie trade would that be food and tasting panel magazine for one tasting panel magazine You have that don't you I bet you subscribe yeah okay this food and driver tasting canisters i'm just saying you guys do your hearing if you read that anything written by the insiders are going to talk about this and the thing is it's cool and i've noticed that everyone she was doing it naturally because almost like people were fed up with bottled water well they charge a four-and-a-half bucks why not of course of course we're fed up with it that stupid right you always go through two bottles as source ten dollars on for nothing exactly

42:28 So that was nice. Our server was a little overzealous, he came back a little too often but that's okay let me see you had so we both had salad I had the iceberg lettuce Waldorf dressing which the chef is apparently quote famous for. That's what he said, yeah I've heard that. And you had actually you had something you didn't like your salad was not what you wanted well they have this uh... blue cheese dressing on some other salad. I said, could I have that dressing on the regular cheap salad? And just the greens is what I usually get anyway and so they say oh yes sure no problem so I tried this dressing it was so ammoniated that I just said you know I can't eat this it's just terrible

43:17 And so they took it back and gave me the salad in its more common form, which had the normal vinaigrette on it. Which wasn't that great either I've had better. But mine was good wasn't it? Because you had some of my salad that was really good! Yours was outstanding, thats what I would get if I went back. Yeah and then that was presented alright It was presented nicely and still manageable You could kind of cut through it and it wasn't like falling apart Right There were some thought went into that And then we had, let's see main course I had the rib steak of the eighth rib. Whatever that means. Yeah who knows? What did you have? I had in the Hearst Ranch grass fed New York strip. Right. Actually wasn't it the eel?

44:10 The eel steak, yeah the eel steak. Eighth rib that's what it was. Eel... eel river. Yeah whatever. So you know there is still the best steak I've had is in a place called downtown. I was going to say the steak was good but It didn't blow me away. No, it didn't blow me away either I mean i have better meat here so they didn't do this not...it wasn't bad it was like okay I've had steak before this is good steak and you know and I had the their famous horseradish mixed in with a little bit of A1 steak sauce upon recommendation which was a good recommendation by the way

44:51 That's a good combo. Yeah, you ordered A1 steak sauce that cracked me up. He brought it out and said you should try to mix it with our famous horseradish. And I did! So I didn't pour over the steak, just dipped in a little bit but the steak was...and I had a couple pieces with nothing on them and it was like...it was a little bland honestly there was no taste enhancement there like your banana story Right, right. No it's a that's if I felt the same way it could have been a little more pumped up I think they'd need to resource their beef Yeah, well yeah, just gonna say because you know eels eel river shit who cares? They should just find some guy It's got to you know the good stuff out of Iowa and screw it You know it's a steakhouse for God's sake However all of that was completely put right by your choice of wine

45:43 Oh yes, we had a... for people out there who like wine. We had a Caymus which by the way in the 70s used to be pronounced Chy-miss by the owner but anyway Caymus if you pronounce it that way people think your nuts the Caymus 2005 Cabernet which was absolutely perfect. Outstanding and they served it in very appropriate glasses I really like the big thin walled glasses just nice you could really look at the wine that was good Now, so our discovery during the process even though there's a lot of side dishes there and they're all pretty decent. I had the corn and I had mashed potato both fantastic you have the chips or french fries as you would call them you American swine that was it? You didn't have any other vegetables

46:39 I ate out of your stuff. So that was all good, but then you're right dessert... The french fries were a little bland. Yeah same thing it was how the corn was excellent yeah the corn was good okay but the French fries are bland they needed to be kind of know what did what they could have done salt put a little salt on it You're like hey, can I have some ketchup give me some kids? They served it with a hollandaise sauce which tasted more like a baronet's to me and it didn't really work And I don't know why it was too watery. It wouldn't stick to the french fries Oh So that was like not good and then they Bryce I wanted ketchup anyway So they brought these little containers of ketchup these little little mini bowls with the ketchup in it and the ketchup that they chose

47:22 seemed to be a uh... mediocre one. Yeah, it wasn't no Heinz 57 label man Well whatever was it was I don't think it was homemade either So anyway but the big discovery we made at the end of the meal you ordered some sorbets Yes three flavors one was kind of peachy I think One was like a I remember The third was that was the one that was most spectacular which was cantaloupe And I had ordered some Calvados, the two both of us had some old Calvados and it turns out that a bite of the cantaloupe sorbet with a sip of the calvados is unbelievably tasty. We should put that shit in a bottle and sell it to teenagers John! Add some sugar and we're done now It was unbelievably nice That was really good

48:17 So we're calling it the C&C, the cantaloupe and calvados. The CNC? CNC. Trying to find some CNCs... So check it out if anyone can get a hold of some cantaloupes sorbet, get some calvados and see what you think My mouth is actually just watering thinking about it I was... Yeah, I have to say that was pretty spectacular Meanwhile, as you mentioned all the while at least in the beginning before the meal began You were fretting about your daughter Yeah, so Christina caught... this was great. Around 5 o'clock in the afternoon and we had dinner. Dinner was early like 6-37 o'clock So at five I get a text from my daughter and it's uh... so five in the afternoon by then it was like 1am

49:01 She texted me, because I won this trip at a charity auction to Disneyland. It was by the way it was sponsored by Thomas Cook which is a famous tour operator certainly here in the UK and I think it's worldwide and we had a lot of problems with this start off with because you know but we were never going get Disney so Christina said can take my friends will use the trip? I said yeah that's cool So, um you know they call up and it was like in a nice gift bag And so Christina called up and they said well You know there's it's only its on this offseason blackout dates, and I'm like you know then. I'm like what the fuck is that? That's do you what kind of gift Is this so you know and and I'm just ranting about it, and then of course Patricia She knows she was with me at the end. I spent some good money at this charity auction Yeah

49:52 Um, and it was all she-she poo-poo. It was a piece of shit and I would have known it's a piece of shit then I wouldn't feel bad but now I feel like... Yeah, it was just annoying. So um Patricia gets into it And she calls him up. So finally all this is arranged and it works out interestingly, I'm in San Francisco Patricia is in Holland doing pop stars, another jury gig judge for one of these reality shows And so Christina was going to go off to Disneyland Paris with her friends and so it turns out you know two of them couldn't make it or whatever, so its just her and this other girl by the way two beautiful children of the sun. You know just 17 18 year olds actually both are eighteen now or Christina is almost eighteen And uh... they decided fuck Disney let's go off to Paris So they had done the Louvre then all these grown up girl things and there were Gidget in Paris and when I got on a train to go back and then they wind up at one o'clock in the morning at the end of the line

50:57 Boissy Saint-Leger, which if you look at a map is kind of halfway between the center of Paris and Disneyland only to the south. So it's like the province and it's dark. And so I get a text message... Yeah really? And I get a text message Christina says daddy I'm a little bit worried and that's why call her up and uh... and she's there in the like you know guys yapping in france is like the conductor trying to tell her she's take a bus back to paris because this isn't no one's asleep in this town and that and so on me while i'm zooming in on google earth right i can see the station i can see with the bus station is it was almost like a matrix you know i'm like okay neo take the third door on the right here as i would try to help these kids find a taxi cab or anything and then of course your

51:47 uh... her phone dies, her battery's dead. And she had also called her mom and it's like one thirty in the morning now and her mom is over there and she's tired so you know she's freaking out because that's what moms do. The umbilical cord is still virtually connected and Patricia is texting me calling me I'm trying to figure out and so then uh... What about the other girl? Didn't she have a phone? No of course not! Her phone was charging back at the hotel So, you know, strike two. And so now it's like 2 a.m., and I don't know where they are and I'm like okay...and I'm getting ready to call some people that I know in France, you know? Like okay, I gotta figure this out because it's just worrisome! But then I call her back and all of the sudden she picks up because she met up with this kind of middle-aged couple, like 30s I guess, and that she had put her SIM card in their phone, so that was kinda smart

52:43 But then I'm like, all i want is to talk to these people and just say could you please put them on the right bus or whatever. My daughter said no we're on the bus with them going to Paris and from there were gonna take a cab to Disney's. So she was going back to Paris at 3 in the morning two girls god knows how they are dressed You know what they look like but too beautiful to be walking around Paris at three am It looked like a couple of hookers. Thank you! Like transsexuals walking around, which by the way is a big thing in Paris on all the street corners or the Champs-Elysee even. Oh really? Yeah so I'm like let me talk to these people and my French low mediocre...I mean my French is worse than Condoleezza Rice's Russian

53:36 And this woman, she's like... I'm like oh okay so then yeah i'm at the office right and yelling does anybody here speak French? And uh I forget who it was one of our Russian guys says that I can try and get away with this or we're in a three-way you know. And I'm like could you please when you get off the bus take them to the hotel and make sure they get in a cab because you know that would be really appreciate Anyway, so at a certain point there was no more contact for about an hour or so. In fact we're about to walk into the restaurant and you know... And you and I had agreed that this is going to be a great life experience, a great learning lesson for these kids and they are 18

54:20 Yeah, I mean the logical part of my brain is saying absolutely but on the...but of course all the death scenarios and doom are running through the other part. And Patricia keeps calling and texting in it's for now four in the morning she's you know just freaking out Four-in-the-morning Europe time? Europe time yeah! As we sat down to dinner and you know I was already like man this really is ruining the vibe for this dinner and everything and then I get a text message from Christina she says were back at their hotel were safe So that enabled me to fully enjoy the bland meat. Yeah, so there's a couple of other things that came up in the conversation which I wanted to go over one is your experience with Virgin America and Virgin Atlantic you went into a rant that i think needs to be reproduced for the public at large

55:16 Well this is when... You said that they wouldn't let you into the little lounge. It's really more an issue, my personal issue with Virgin Atlantic Ron and I took, this was early it only just launched we took Virgin America to New York Actually, we couldn't even upgrade to first class which was kind of a bummer at the time. But I think I would rather travel jet blue just for the seat spacing and the angle of bank that you get on your seat back but that's not related to this story necessarily but on the way back were flying from JFK out back to San Francisco

55:57 and they don't have a lounge for Virgin America. You know, it's a budget airline so that makes sense I'm like hey you know i've got like super duper gold card with diamond encrusted status at virgin Atlantic let's go over to their lounge So we go over to the lounge and say you know uh... We're just on Virgin America so well we'd just like to sit in the lounge No I am sorry you can't What do you mean? I can't Well, no. That's a separate company and it is not tied into us... And by the way the miles are also not combined as far I know yet either The rewards program And uh..I could huff and puff all i wanted but they would not let me sit there if I wasn't flying on Virgin Atlantic You know what? I was thinking about this It's totally... By the way, Virgin Atlantic... Well, Virgin Atlantic is at fault there, I feel Yeah but here's what I'm thinking

56:47 There is a protectionist thing that goes on that doesn't allow international carriers to carry domestic travel in the US. In other words, Singapore could come over from... Oh no no! That's totally why it was done No let me finish Okay Singapore, for example can't you know even though they might stop in San Francisco and then go on to New York from from Singapore or from Hong Kong. They can't pick anybody up in San Francisco and take them to New York which I think is idiotic but that's the way it is because of the way our we have restrictive laws You know so our free market our fantastic free market where there's no regulation apparently isn't that free

57:29 I think that they probably have some sort of a memo, that we have to keep these two companies so separate. Yes. That no matter, that if you even mention Virgin... You probably could have gotten into that lounge if you had never said anything to show them your card. If I had not said Virgin America yeah well so you may recall the Virgin America had a tough time launching and they literally had planes sitting in the desert for I think about a year and it was exactly that reason and then Arnold Schwarzenegger pulled the trigger on some law that allowed them to operate. So, I think there's even a law that you can't operate as a foreign owner of a foreign airline... You can't operate a domestic US airline and i think they split it up into two companies for that very reason then Schwarzenegger changed some law or approved something that essentially let them let them operate but your absolutely right there is no carry-on uh... and and thats part of the open skies agreement. There are all kinds

58:29 Shady stuff that yeah, well shady. I wouldn't say them maybe shady But yeah, I think you're absolutely right there's they probably can't even talk about each other Yeah Which is the joke? I mean the fact of the matter is that you know, I've flown Virgin America a couple times now to Seattle. And it's ten times better than anything else right now to go back and forth. But I like JetBlue better! Does JetBlue fly up to Seattle? No not from here they fly...I think they fly to Seattle from Long Beach or something like that but you have to flight to Long Beach and then fly up there. That's stupid. There's no direct flight but no jet blue i liked a lot too but there's something about

59:09 You know, they do these auctions at the end of the day. If there's any first class seats they'll sell them for nothing so I upgrade for 50 bucks to first-class and get like a five course meal. It's like I've never had so much food on such a short flight Except on a foreign carrier, like one time I flew from Taiwan to...I think it was an hour flight from Taiwan to some place like...I don't know if it was Taiwan or Hong Kong or something. Or Japan not sure But anyway it was like an hour but meanwhile they served at like 20 course meal It's unbelievable Well when uh..when I actually arrived part of the story didn't tell when I arrived last Sunday is my bag didn't show up with me

59:51 and it was going to come on the flight the next day. And I was pissed off, like this is very expensive in fact it's got... The price of my ticket has gone up another 20 or 25 percent since our last flu so that's only four or five months time you know like yeah and I said what do you do for people who paid this amount of money and their bank doesn't show up? What do you do about that well this woman at the bag counter she obviously wasn't She there's nothing she could do so I just let it go but wait before you can you preface this? Were you did the flight leave early or did you check in late is that why the bag was delayed no in fact No, I mean because you know they virgin picks you up So you know It's all door-to-door service everything's taken care of and they take your bag They do all the checking in everything The flight was actually even delayed by two hours Which is probably the reason because it was probably sitting around somewhere and then you know got mixed up and as shit happens

1:00:46 unfortunate but you know I do know that with British Airways they immediately come out with all kinds of compensation and i'm just saying look you know, I'm thinking three days Necker Island. I'm like okay Branson I'm gonna get you for this sucka so I fire off an email to my personal travel assistance at Virgin the Pan uh... cams personal advance travel management system whatever the hell it is and i said i say the same thing as like a here's what happened you know what do you guys did for this well uh... oh i'm so sorry while we're sending off to richard branson executive assistant And when I got home there was indeed a letter from Richard Branson's office that said, we're so sorry. By the way they totally knew because from the minute I set foot in the airport they were all over me You know how if you are gold card on some of these international flights then the flight services director, basically the chief

1:01:42 uh... steward or stewardess will uh... you know who runs all the cabin personnel they'll come up and say how are you doing Mr. Curry? And, y'know they give a little personal touch to it right? So this flight services director sits down and says is there anything we can do for you Mr. Curry? And out of my mouth comes um yeah some pole dancers perhaps and without blinking she says I'll have Naomi come over in a minute I swear to God, and Naomi was a very cute stewardess. Did she give you a pole dance? No no no... But that's why i just thought it was so funny! I was like okay send Naomi over So anyway they gave me 10 000 miles and uh I think 200 pounds Not bad That's better than poking the eye with a sharp stick Yeah but I just wanted someone to apologize Just come on A lot of money goes into that company

1:02:39 Well now to finish the story you told me that the bag was maybe not going to be shipped to ya. Oh yeah, so then they wanted me to come to the airport because there were some issues with... They didn't really want to put my bag on an aircraft unaccompanied because it was quote filled with equipment and wires I said yeah! I can tell exactly what it is each item well do have a carnet for that which is like an international document of You know, like a customs thing. I said no! It's just some shit that i use you know? it's like... I'm a podcaster leave me alone. You know, I remember back in the 70s

1:03:18 the uh... showing my age of course but when you travel even with a camera yeah you had to have customs forms for it he had to have a form for because if u went took the camera out in the country to get back and they don't know if your gonna sell it over there are few audit new and that's what you brought in trying to get him without paying duty and there was this big which we had to go with a bunch of documentation to flyer if that was still in play today with all the crap that people carry around ipods and laptops this and that. You'd be walking around with a binder full of stuff. This is probably, maybe 18 years ago. I remember... Maybe even a little bit longer. I remember leaving the Netherlands and had my watch on it was still new and shiny then And they said here's this form so what that for? Well you need to write down your watch and declare because A it has to come back in the country and when you come back from the country they'll certainly want to try and charge you import duty on it It's on my fucking wrist!

1:04:19 Yeah, but it looks new. Well I guess yeah and there was a lot of smuggling going on people you know women would go There's always the story But you know they go to Europe and buy a fur coat in a bunch of diamonds And they walked waltz through customs on the way back as though It's their you know that they walked out with it So here so here's my question with all of that You know tightness on smuggling with all of the I mean look what I'm going through at the border Look at all the border security and war on terror, homeland security protectionism. How is it possible that all these drugs from Afghanistan and places of this nature makes it into the West? Into Europe, into England, into the United States

1:05:04 And it's cheap by the ton. How do you buy the tons? I mean, how does that work? I know let's get the kick out of somebody who always discovers a five tons Of some drug and you're thinking that's obviously must be a spit in the bucket because it doesn't affect The prices on the street this stuff still coming in not herein in the UK all the nasty shit like cocaine and heroin is cheaper than marijuana Hmm yeah It makes you wonder what the Brits are doing there in Afghanistan. Obviously they're setting up conduit to move tons of drugs while you can't bring your watch in But this is that whole Iran-Contra thing, that's exactly what this was about it's like they'd send the dope back The dope would be sold and then used to buy weapons and then the weapons would go back I mean seems like a perfect scam Well let's say grey market Very grey

1:06:07 Which I think brings us to my favorite topic. Now wait a minute, I got something else... This is great! The Spanish government all came back for an emergency meeting yesterday because the economy is collapsing It is? Yep The economy of Spain is collapsing?! Yes uh... this is really here this isn't all that well they've the they've been reading of spain was in his huge overdevelopment mode of new buildings basically steel second homes for a lot of europeans and uh... there's just no so much money at all but although you know the big market and architecture all the big building firms and the only skankster guys are all their marbelia and they're all hanging out and

1:06:59 So, Zapatero who is I think Zapatero is the Spanish Prime Minister had his entire cabinet come back yesterday from vacation. He came back from vacation as well. Well there's story after story here. Spanish government cuts short holiday as economy collapses. There you go! Socialist Spain's economic collapse bloggast Global economic collapse begins first one to pop is Spain And it's gonna happen all over Europe. Well that'll bring the dollar back up to snuff well, that's I'd read an interesting theory on that the theory is that That this is actually It's a scam yeah, it's gonna if the dollar think it's a scam. No it is a scam everything That's always that's a theme of our show. It's a scam get mo nation. It's a scam come on Georgie Yes you can

1:07:58 Let's see if I can find that. There was a really good article about it, really showing in depth how the problem is the US is now and I don't have proof of this but is starting to default on some of these loans like the nine trillion or so that we have And it's all about pegging the external currencies once, you know... this is about the pegging. I don't really understand it honestly but the.. It's about all these other currencies being pegged to the dollar but that its still going to... But yes in short term dollar up absolutely

1:08:44 Good, so I'm looking here at an article from March 9th 2008 where they say Spain goes to polls. This is some while ago. Spain goes to polls in shadow of financial woes and terror threats So this has started a while back I guess it is now coming to ahead It's all based on these you know on buildings You're right And also didn't notice that kind of happened this week when I was in the States the pound just took a beating against the dollar. I mean, we're talking massive like 15 cents or somethings. About time! Yeah, I agree being paid in dollars i totally agree. We are way overdue for that correction yeah well get back to buck fifty is really what it traditionally has been over the eons although its you know approach the one-to-one thing with a couple times never quite made it at least in my lifetime

1:09:39 But, um... I'm not sure what you mean. Oh, I mean the dollar to pound ratio traditionally is about a buck and half for a pound? Yeah it's usually been about that yeah And but at one time i think was in the seventies or so no maybe wasn't the seventies must have been the eighties I'm not sure but it was going so I think like a buck twenty five we got that low and thinking wow this thing could go to 1-1 kind of cool button that was into that So anyway, it looks like it is the construction industry that's triggered this whole thing which is interesting and sadly with a glut of... This was back in March again. With a glut of around 500 thousand new flats nationwide and a credit squeeze sales have dropped 50%. But its always the building industries and in Europe all these builders there are I mean

1:10:27 They're all in cartels, once in a while they get slapped on the wrist. But they are all really heavily tied into government because development is approved by goverment and it's all connected to each other so when that shit unravels I mean that's going to be really messy particularly. This is interesting let me read this one too this is the same article But Francisco Hernando village, a mammoth development of 13 thousand flats beside the motorway 20 miles south of Madrid is the most dramatic example that looms largest with voters. As you approach this gleaming new town outside Seseña, you glimpse sky through unglazed windows blocks

1:11:06 Remain unfinished, crane soar into the brazen sky and go... because now they're getting carried away with their writing. And close up there's silence! There is no roaring building site but a ghost town chilled by winds that whip the bleak Castilian plains." Who's outwriting this thing? We can just hear the wind. Elizabeth Nash she has to be she was being novelist i guess oh man did you this is a this is a fun one last week i mentioned something that you say was getting no ink now of course the john edwards story is everywhere right but there's uh... there isn't interesting interesting little link to this would like which i just found out when i got back to this this afternoon that fred baron um... who is the i'd guess either was or is because it was edwards finance director

1:11:58 He's a lawyer, a prominent Texas lawyer. Now of course this kind of fits into the blogosphere where Robert Scoble had a picture because he was on the campaign plane when a couple of bloggers were invited to go along with Edwards and Scoble had a picture of Edwards and his girlfriend and so that really uh... will take pictures of everything right saying you know i've been to school was going to have a picture of everything exactly um but also on the plane was uh... rocket boom rocket boom fit and now all these things click together now in over this guy such an arrogant little prick that's andrew baron who is fred barron son so now sudden puts rocket booming a very different perspective

1:12:50 and uh... very interesting. Did they just get bought by somebody? No, they sold the quote distribution rights to Sony but what was interesting is that Fred Barron he's invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in Rocketboom up to eight hundred thousand dollars and so essentially you know by letting Rocketboom come on the plane there are all kinds of conflicts of interest there It's helping a business interest of his getting more exposure. I mean there is all kinds of stuff there that is little fishy, and I just thought it was very interesting because I always wondered how the hell they do it? Where are they getting their money from who's paying for all that? They can't be working for free Yeah well apparently... Actually Andrew has never...I've never disliked the guy

1:13:45 but uh... i don't know how he makes any money you have always been baffled by it well he doesn't need is that pays for it and well that's not a national good and that's okay just the uh... let's say it's a model yeah so what's your business my dad did they have to buy them at the hill had days for it looks like this was another good one growing doubts from the New York Times, growing doubts from scientists about the strength of the government's case against a late Bruce E. Ivins The military researcher named as the anthrax killer are forcing the Justice Department to begin disclosing more fully the scientific evidence it used to implicate him and I'll just remind you that they used new scientific methods so yeah remember don't remember that? It was like they had some new way to trace back these spores to this flask

1:14:45 Yeah, to the one flask that he had. The only one who had total control over the flask no matter if he was working for other people but he had total control and that must be it and that's why committed suicide somehow. So... By eating too much Tylenol. And actually we were talking about that because ummm.. We have a discussion about paracetamol A lot of people said hey you know as paracetamol if you take too much of it You actually can get your liver can fail and you can die And so, okay. So then we're thinking well wait a minute that's what in Tylenol so if he took massive quantities of Tylenol which could actually be deadly it would probably take a couple days

1:15:28 Yeah, I don't think it kills you very quickly. But the thing is that's what...I think we brought this up too at the dinner which was that its become like and hate to use the word or overuse the word meme but the idea that you would go to a counter and buy two bottles and then the cash register would say no you can't buy this much out of the blue, because that's never happened before. Maybe just a way of getting it into the public consciousness that this stuff is toxic so no one is going to question this crazy suicide which may have not been a suicide at all But you know I've gotten a lot of email from people saying that you really don't want an OD on paracetamol

1:16:08 Right, or Tylenol. In fact you don't want to use Tylenol if you drink alcohol You know what? You really need that at all in fact it knows often the reason your headache goes away when you have an aspirin is because your drinking water Seriously Yeah its probably some truth to that So anyway so looks like they're gonna have to come out with new...with backing They'll have to back up all their so called evidence this week That's good I'l be looking out for that thats kinda cool Okay i gotta talk about Clinton Oh, I was hoping we'd just forget about it and move on. No no no because i have another piece to the puzzle! I've got another piece... It's all happening, its unfolding okay

1:16:52 So amidst all this, I mean it's all the shit we just talked about for the past hour. Can i throw a premise in? Just to add a little spice before you begin. Adam is nuts! Is that was at the premise? No, I think this was all triggered by the fact that both of us are slightly suspicious of Hillary's intentions at the convention Yes In more ways than one and then of course started with her not canceling her campaign but a suspension over campaign. I've never forgotten that So, this guy... the leader of the Democratic Party in Arkansas I'm sorry. I am just saying this guy is kind of disrespectful because he's dead Bill Gwatney chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party and personal friend of the Clintons was murdered last Wednesday And you know it was one of those crazy murders

1:17:48 And so I started, you know...I can't remember exactly why but well i'm sure something flashed somewhere on a website and like Clinton body count. Hey that's interesting! So I start looking at how many people who are friends acquaintances or business partners of the Clintons have wound up dead Holy crap! This list is..what do you think John? 50 people maybe Yeah, and that's probably... I'm sure there are others we don't know about. I mean i am talking his personal bodyguards, his envoys of course we all know about the Whitewater affair and it is all either suicide or Vince Foster, that right And its all either suicide but death by gunshot No Tylenol involved You know shot in the face and then this whole MENA

1:18:41 uh... which was new goes back to our drug smuggling things is in the end and there's actually a I put this documentary, which is... Did you watch that documentary I sent you the link to? No not yet. It's well done man! This thing is a couple years old but it's really well done and goes through all of the Clintons background but it really accelerates when it gets to the list of dead people. Its just crazy and then we were at dinner or maybe still in office was this guy a superdelegate? Well, yes. Lo and behold he was actually we were at lunch at Fringal in San Francisco and then you were telling me the story I'm thinking now they say Adam going off to deep end again i said well is the guy's super delegate you brought out your phone started looking it up by googling superdelegates name turns out he was he was a superdelegate right so now i'm thinking well you know this this is kind of interesting let's start to put all these pieces are the puzzle together so simultaneously in this week

1:19:39 The Obama camp, or the DNC I guess concedes that there will be a roll call vote at the convention. Now the way i understand that you know they're saying it's a way to involve Hillary or maybe its a way to get her in the vice presidential slot but the way i understand a roll call vote at the convention is they are actually going to count the votes instead of just saying obama's the man they can do a ceremonious reading of the votes is that the way you understand yeah i know they will go california california cast forty five-mile bob obama and forty five months for the next president as they are you know anything so in my mind in my molder theory serious my ct mode as we've been we have another abbreviation conspiracy theorist is now ct mode

1:20:28 I'm thinking, well wait a minute. Maybe they've been taught... because you know the superdelegates basically for those of you who don't know and this is and then i learned from John that this is only something that happens with the Democratic Party have these super super delegates and regardless of what has decided in a caucus uh... the super delegate is the one who actually calls the shots yeah no you can for example there were out here in California where I think Hillary won the state. There was a couple superdelegates in Marin County, Actually, I think they were going to vote for Hillary. The superdelegate who is a representative of the state government says, I don't care how the vote goes, I'm voting for blah-blah-blah and I think she's gonna vote for Hillary no matter what. I don't care what they vote we're voting for this. So so i immediately say well this is a message! This is the message to all the super delegates because this guy in some reports I found this Bill Gwodny

1:21:22 when hillary started to wane or when she had suspended you know that the timing of that is not entirely clear but then he switched over to obama which of course is telling the party line but for me in my cd mode unlike this isn't this is a total message to be superdelegates that you know now we're gonna have a roll call vote it you better be voting for hillary her so your campaign is suspended she could still maybe she actually believes that it could happen. Now here's what I find today, now this is what blew me away Lady de Rothschild, Rothschild of course one of the families that are the true owners our Earth along with... Yes they own our Earth. They make good wine so i don't care yes okay and the Rockefellers make good plazas So she's on Fox News and she's plugging thing together for us dot com

1:22:18 That's togethernumeralforus.com And I don't have to tell you what she was saying on Fox News because basically right here on the homepage it says, we stand together with Hillary's 18 million voters in pursuit all of the following Bring us together by honoring Hillary Clinton and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver by a placing our name into nomination following traditional protocol be ensuring a roll call vote and See inviting her to speak during prime time on August 26th the 88th anniversary of women's suffrage And there's a whole bunch of other ones, and I'm like oh

1:22:56 Dude, they're totally gonna pull it off. She is going to win the nomination by intimidation and by the huge power... so, the intimidation of bullets and the huge power that the Rothschilds wield who obviously got this roll call vote implemented I don't know how that works but then i guess that can also be only be total intimidation I'm telling you that the Clintons are not done Well, I'm not going to argue that they're not done. But you know the thing is that came up with this guy getting assassinated murdered in Arkansas was the fact that

1:23:33 The way it would have to play out is that he was a super delegate and then he decided he was with Hillary And then he's changed his vote to Obama They must have gone to him said look when the thing comes up for the roll call vote we're gonna have that happen You got to say Hillary. Pick Hillary, and he says no I'm not going to do that already said I'm picking Obama boom dead. Boom dead exactly That's the message though That's the message because everyone knows it everyone who switched is now gonna say oh crap? I better be saying Hillary and they're all getting that phone call as we speak You know what, John? This is scary. You're not pushing back! I'm not totally unconvinced... Well, I know for a fact that they're sneaky these two and it seems to me that would be an interesting kind of thing to try to pull off

1:24:20 To get actually get the nomination because the fact of the matter is Hillary still sees herself as to true winner Because she has the most popular vote. Yeah, the popular one You know Obama won most of his stuff on the caucuses The one-on-ones he kind of snuck his way in if they can find one scandalous thing I think the next couple weeks is telling or yeah Isn't it Wednesday isn't this coming Wednesday was at next Wednesday? I think it's a Wednesday after it was i think is a lot so this is the way that we have all bomb and all kinds of compromising situations uh... they should probably really hit hard on michelle uh... mission here are part of michele well i i think you're right i think it's all going to happen this week but just gonna get out of the orchestrated sort looks as though the republicans are doing in hillary king you know so hillary go out of all that's terrible that they would do this but i guess we can have to pick me

1:25:15 So they're going to have to orchestrate. It's so understandable the events and the news that has surfaced in the past week, that superdelegates have clearly seen the error of their ways and they've chosen me as the perfect person to lead this party and to lead the new America! How was that? And you know her argument could be which is all American it's not over till its over That's right And that's why she suspended her campaign. I mean, it makes so much... You know what? I thought those Clintons went away way too easy. I really did and when you see this if you have a chance watch this documentary i'd say It is as good as any 9-11 video you've ever seen. I mean, it's that enthralling! It is totally exciting! You just sit there like oh my god, you know, Bill Clinton all he does is snort coke all day and go after chicks

1:26:11 And it's not much, it's like news footage with a voiceover. I mean there are interviews, there are troopers Texas Rangers and there is all kinds of people on the record saying these things You guys send me a link and I'll blog it. It's on curry dot com, it's right there on the homepage. Okay... Curry dot.. you don't have to do a slash blog just do curry dot com real easy to remember Yeah, Bubba will pick up and put in the show notes Oh wait a minute, Bubba had stuff for us look at didn't he? oh actually I have a follow-up on something here we go Just that actually fits perfectly with uh... right now

1:26:50 i guess it's just finished uh... listening to you know which end of forty two and there was something about the whole problem being proved i think that uh... the clinton's on was out-of-context what had happened there with their worst hecklers and um... they were african americans a state of all of your own uh... support african american for the top and uh... the crowd was going back to work and uh... Obama was saying, no let's be civil. Let's pull this back together and he actually did a question-and-answer period with them for a couple minutes and they ended up just sitting down and being quiet so the boos weren't so much for Obama they were actually directed at the people heckling Obama and Obama handled that heckling situation very well This is Eric from Portland signing off Goodbye guys Well there you go exactly as we thought it

1:27:47 Yep. So, uh... Now Bob I had the thing about the land bridge you thought the Romans walked to England even though that bridge was 100 thousand years ago Okay so who was it? It wasn't the Roman's but there was land there wasn't there Yeah a hundred thousand years ago That's what i meant! A hundred thousand years ago Well the Romans were there couple of thousands years ago you got your time for the already said i don't know what the hell and talking about as to his one of our themes that we don't know nothing anything about nothing we're not going on in about nothing about anything don't shoot us please uh... okay let me see anyway so uh... yet take a look at that documentary it'll just blow your way

1:28:37 Yeah, I will. I've seen these things before... This one I haven't seen and I have never been interested honestly you know? Never really thought about it but do you take this and I remember all these individual things happening even went back to look at some Waco stuff which is also there's some connections to Clinton there Yeah, no you mentioned this. Apparently a couple of his bodyguards were killed in this action or something? What was that all about? Four of his bodyguards were killed at Waco Texas and of course Clinton's Hillary Clinton's chief of staff her White House secretary whatever later took a box from

1:29:17 You know, the Waco files and there was like some white water stuff. It's just so many connections so many ties but the fact that four of Bill Clinton's former security detail were killed at Waco is just interesting. But my point is you know how that kind of passed me by in a, you know kind of wide awake and dreamland. And now to see how it actually works with this Georgian thing is just fascinating you know? It's amazing the only... people say to me all the time well how do we what do we do? How do we stop the insanity and I guess just try to help people become aware. The internet is really good about it because

1:29:58 You know, everything is written about. Insanity! No but all this stuff... the truth really or good journalism is being performed it's just because there so much that you're hammered with over and over again by most corporate media uh... that it never really becomes the mean as you would call a charted just kind of stays out there and so we must start to aggregate all the pieces is really interesting like this such soccer volley really guy i mean he's near does not casey in his time you know if they're going to be using the front of the e-u flags you know driving down george bush avenue when we start to put all that together is like uh... okay and again that's really what what's kinda cool you know and on digging

1:30:42 Yeah, well that's the public service we provide with the show No Agenda. Hell yeah! Alright you guys must have something? Nothing left on my list? I just wanted to talk about the debriefing from Georgia and the woman from Georgia... The mom from Georgia Now all of that stuff about Georgia is so blatantly clear. I didn't even bring up my Tom Clancy game thing You kind of pooh-poohed that when I showed it to you, so I'm a little afraid. Well... It's interesting..I was just skeptical and uh... But yeah Clancy apparently had predicted this in some game. Yeah it's the um... how is called something? Ghost Recon! Is what its called. Its a video game

1:31:31 apparently very uh... very popular one they even have a ghost recon too but the trailer was pointed out to me betray you know they've been these things are such high budget and such quality date they do trailers and get uh... you'll get kids really hyped up excited about it is a big deal when something new comes out that i don't really follow the shoot-'em-up death games and uh... see i think i blog this as well actually uh... may hear itself the um... The setting of this video game is in Georgia, Russia has the ultra-nationalist... as they call them. The ultra nationalist is building up forces It's 2008 by the way the trailer is from 2002 Actually just listen to it. Oh you'd be even better here we go. It's only a couple it's only like a minute 15. The year is 2008 and world teeters on the brink of war. Ultra nationalists take power in Moscow

1:32:33 the re-establishment of the old empire. Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan... One by one the nearby independent republics slip back Russian tanks sit in the Caucasus mountains and the Baltic forests poised to strike to the south and east The world holds its breath And waits For one small group of elite soldiers The war has already begun US Special Forces Group 5 First Battalion decompany deployed on peacekeeping duty to the Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus. This happened... So that's kind of what I wanted, I don't know if you could hear that at all but anyways so- Yeah no it could, you know they just have to swap out the special forces for Blackwater which would by the way be a great name for a game. Blackwater? I'm sure they have it or are going to make it! So around the office by the way, around San Francisco there is these little posters that had been stapled all over the place

1:33:33 for a protest that I think is going to take place next week, unless it took place already around the Ubisoft which is in the area. That's the company that makes Ghost Recon as Ubisoft? Yeah well Ubisoft also has a game they make for the army you can download and the protesters are saying that the idea of this game is to get 12-13 year old kids. Exactly! Yeah, 12 and 13 year olds because the game is free, you can download from the army I was talking to my son about it. The game is free and apparently, you know, it's easy...you can see...it reminds me a little bit like the Last Starfighter which is a movie where some kid's playing a video game and it turns out that the game is a training vehicle for interstellar war and once you beat the game your solicited to join the forces

1:34:23 I just thought it was kind of interesting. Maybe Ubisoft is a front for somebody, I don't know... So if you go look at all these ties and I haven't looked at Ubisoft but okay so this is very interesting that indeed the exact thing that happened US special Delta forces call them security consultants if you will They're in there, in Georgia. It literally says Osetia in the Caucasus I mean the whole thing is there it even says 2008 Now look at Tom Clancy's connections Have you ever looked at who he's related to? Well I always thought that he was a shoe salesman Oh man! You are going to love this

1:35:05 He is I'm just looking it up because I looked at the other day But well you're looking that up by the way anyone out there wants to go You go to true soldier game calm and you can find a download and information about this army game. It's called true soldiers game Plural two soldiers in game comm I'm still looking for this, I think his wife's father is like a big wig at the was the organization for economic development, you know the OECD or whatever that horrible... Oh yeah right. I think it's like OED i think No no no its like OECD Maybe But there is interesting ties there oh let me see if you do Tom Clancy OECD you get a lot of good Google hits anyway

1:36:04 French businessman joins Ubisoft board French businessmen joins Ubisoft board outgoing director Yvette Guillaume all makes way for incoming mark Fiorentino a specialist in business markets and banking So it was a French game publisher even though they're in are they public are they public oh I'm not seeing that they are yet. Don't know, we'll look into it and see who's on their board Could be an interesting time but so really when is this demonstration or what is it? Well I guess it was over maybe let's keep looking at this Shit man we could have been keynote speakers You could've Anti-war group protests Ubisoft & America's Army which is the game anti war group targets Let's see if there's anything going on here

1:36:58 You can find it, just type in Ubisoft Army and you get the... It warrants some further investigation. Yeah we'll look into it Wow, you haven't called me Crackpot once so far John. The show doesn't feel like it's over yet. You haven't gone... well you know yeah I'm frighteningly sure Clinton there is a lot there man Oh and by the way for people out there listening to us eavesdropping uh i probably didn't call him crack pot today because after having dinner with him now realize what he's actually this is mild You have no idea. Nah, yeah... Well the thing that we talked about at dinner I think it's happening next Saturday so um... Oh okay good Let that be a tease for us some cool nutter theory coming up Yeah definitely be nutter Alright well can't wait to see what happens in this week as everything unfolds i think we've given you uh new listeners out there some good info and by the way if you enjoy listening to this show tell a friend

1:38:08 Hey, that's funny because I was going to suggest the same thing people should make one other person listen to this show Yeah. Yeah we have done no marketing for this show We've got you know something like 30 thousand listeners or 40 maybe but we need a hundred So let's get some people listening is it good show? It's entertaining yeah I mean it's uh it's it's good to ying-to the yang thats out there if that makes any sense Not really but yes and remember we are all united under Gitmo Nation. Coming to you from the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry and in Northern California, I am John C. Dvorak We'll talk again next week right here on No Agenda