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00:01 Once again it's time for that international roadshow of sheer intellect. It is no agenda. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from a blustery and wet United Kingdom. And I'm John C. Dvorak up here in the Pacific Northwest, home of Microsoft, Nintendo USA and Sega. And John's Deli. Right, the Spicer's Delicatessen. Oh, Spicer's. Spicer's Delicatessen. You sound... you have a cold. I'm congested because it rained for some unknown reason here in the Pacific Northwest. I got congested for some god knows what reason. So I sound terrible. Let me ask you a very important question, John, right off the bat. You ready? Yeah. Do you have the Olympic fever yet, John? Olympics? When do they start? You're horrible. Did you see the opening ceremony?

00:58 You know, I turned it on last night to see what the heck was going on and I saw some of it was very dull, that opening ceremony. Really? I thought so. I mean, I watched it live. I mean, you must have been watching a repeat. No, wait a minute. Was it live or was that a repeat? I think it was probably on tape. Yeah. But then, you know, one of the channels had these guys walking around sluggishly around the thing holding their flags. And I couldn't watch much of that. Oh yeah, no, that's after the whole opening ceremony. So you didn't see the fireworks and the... Oh no, I'm sure the... No, I didn't. Oh my, oh my god, man, it was amazing. You know, the director who did... Ah, what are all those movies? Like, what was that Flying Dragon movie? Help me out.

01:45 Flying dragon flying daggers crouching tiger flying tiger. Yeah, yeah that guy so he did it all John I swear to God they had fireworks of footsteps of giant footsteps walking towards the stadium it was Unbelievable the way they did that well You know the Chinese invented fireworks and so they do a pretty good bang-up job as it were and I found out they also invented the compass So they say. Oh, this is one of these disputed, who invented it things? But anyway, so they did, I missed that. So I suppose I missed probably the best part because if the rest of it's going to be like what else they were showing like two person women's volleyball between, you know, some Yugoslavian team in Australia or something like that. And one of the

02:34 Women on a I think is the Australian volleyball team you I just hard to believe it's not actually a guy kind of wearing a bikini It looked like Jim Carrey, you know when he first said bikini top I like you know my favorite Olympic sport is a field hockey women's field hockey. I just love those skirts You know what I mean? I would like when they run and then the skirts just kind of flop up and You know, that reminds me of something I saw recently in one of these track and field events.

03:11 There was this, in fact I took some pictures of it off some screen captures I was gonna blog and I never got around to it, but there was this woman who was a pole vaulter. And I noticed a couple other ones too. She was essentially wearing a thong. Yeah, it's for speed and flexibility. And for ratings, John. It's all about ratings, dude. Anyway, she had a pretty nice figure too. And she had this thong on and just a tight-fitting bikini top. And I'm looking at this thing. When she goes up on the pole, then you immediately imagine a pole dancer.

03:51 And then she flips over into the thing and bounces around and you're going, wow, this is like borderline lewd. But it's an interesting thought. Yeah, I'm sure there's all kinds of aerodynamics and... and all kinds of technology involved but at the same time I'm really thinking television ratings. There's just no two ways about it. Well I'm thinking that too because the guys aren't so scantily dressed. I mean if that was all it was about, you know, the guys would... I mean the guys are wearing a full t-shirt, you know, level top, it's tight-fitting, Speedo top, whatever, and then, you know, pretty good-sized pants. And when they're doing the same sports, why is this woman wearing a thong and a bikini top? I mean, it's ridiculous. Well, I think basically because guys in thongs is just not a good look, perhaps.

04:43 Well, I'm just saying if you really have to win. Well, no, I mean, I know lots of women who love the way those guys look. It has nothing to do with what they're wearing. Men are just so superficially stupid that we have to be thinking scooge all the time, otherwise we don't get excited. All I know is that this is a trend that somebody's, I don't know, it just seems distracting. These girls are obviously doing it for just, I think you're right, it's for ratings or getting a modeling contract or something. You never hear how much money is actually involved in the Olympics but you know besides just what China spent on infrastructure and you know what they'll hopefully bring in new business, you know the television rights worldwide for the Olympics is just outrageous. It's billions of dollars.

05:30 I think the white I'm not a big fan of the Olympics or the Olympic Committee or the basic corruption that takes place. Ditto. But the one thing that you know China it's gonna be interesting to see because we haven't seen any good at least I haven't and I haven't really started watching I'm sure it's going on as we speak. See the how exactly how much they managed to clean up the air. Oh no, remember we were joking about it? We were joking about the smog? I watched the BBC from yesterday, I don't know, from like 10 in the morning until the boring part of the opening ceremony where all the athletes come in carrying the flags.

06:11 every single time they were talking about it. You know, it's like, now let's go take a look at, you know, here's a repeat of the Olympic flame coming down the Great Wall of China. Well, at least we think that's the Great Wall of China, you know. And the official word was, it's mist. It's not smog, it's mist, John. That's what it is. Well, actually I've been to the Great Wall of China and It probably may have been missed because it's a very that area is some reason it's got a lot of mist. Oh you birdie pooper. Yeah but also around this around the stadium I mean it's it's clear that they've got some kind of issue in the air.

06:49 It's pretty funny. All I know is when they were doing all the early reports, they'd have a guy standing there. You might as well have been in the studio. Because it was just a guy standing there in just this grey mask, vaguely visible. It's funny because it reminds me of what Holland used to look like in in the mid-70s. The climate has changed since then, but Holland used to be just like that. Really, really gray, overcast, mist in the morning, very depressing. Hopefully most of China isn't like that. Well, if you look at paintings that go back even before they industrialized, people who do art in China, in fact I've got a few pieces I've collected, they never show a blue sky.

07:34 The skies are always white, which makes it easier to paint a painting I suppose. It was a shortcut. You know, let's just not go into that. The sky shit is too hard. But it's like there's a big contrast between the art that comes out of China, because I rarely see any interesting skies, as opposed to you go to Southeast Asia. So when the first time I visited Vietnam, the first thing you notice is like, my God, what is going on with this sky? It's got all kinds of cloud formations. It's got big sky look like Montana would have. It's got, you know,

08:12 Stormy lights got all kinds of looks and they paint fantastic cloud scenes all the artists down there because you don't even need to paint anything else you just Look up and start going going at it. It's quite interesting a friend of mine's been taken. He's going he's doing a world tour That's like second or third time. He's done it. Yeah, he was just He went through monk, and he said pick he sends pictures now of course you know because we've got digital and and you can get Wi-Fi even in Mongolia and And he actually went to it so some of the pictures just been astounding but he also was in I think was in Mongolia for the the most recent eclipse which looked pretty spectacular I haven't been to Mongolia So or Tibet or half those plan probably never get those places are kind of off the beaten track You'll meet my friend. He's in San Francisco this week, and I'm out there as well. I'm coming out tomorrow

09:06 Oh really? Yeah, so you know what that means. It's time for another Customs Border Patrol Agency trip. Yeah, you're gonna, uh, yeah, take notes. I do want to say one thing, you know, actually I heard you guys on Twit talking about it as well. And I'm not quite sure what the big hoopla is, because I think you and I even found out, it must have been months ago, that if you're not officially in the country yet, then the US Border and Customs Patrol Agency

09:42 Inc. Ltd. has the absolute authority to search anything and everything about you. You don't have your First Amendment rights yet. And I don't know what the big hoopla is all of a sudden about this, oh they can check your laptops. They've been able to do that and have been doing that for a long time as far as I know. Well all I know is it's a lot better than years and years ago, actually before 9-11 where they made you boot the laptop. I remember that, yeah. I'm like, why do they want me to start it up and potentially bring it to an explosion in their face? It's like, why do you want that? If you don't trust it, you want me to really start it in front of you? Here, I'll point the screen towards you, my friend. I know, that's what's so funny. But then of course there was this practical joke floating around that you slip onto somebody's laptop.

10:31 Which they booted it would come up with a countdown to explosion fine. No Bad idea I always thought that was one gag and the other one that gag which I've never done But I've always thought it would be humorous is you get a some lead foil Which is and you know, it's like aluminum foil on his lead and then you would cut out the silhouette of a gun and And then you slip it into one, if they're packing a book or something, you slip it into the book. Oh wait, not so fast John, I gotta take notes for my upcoming trip, hold on. Slip it into a book as a bookmark. Oh yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, I need that. And they wouldn't, you know, right, and then as it went through the x-ray, you could just imagine. I was listening to, um...

11:22 was it either on the media, no it was probably fresh air earlier this week and they had this guy, you heard about this book, I even forgot the author's name, it's like a whistleblower about this, it has been in the news, about the letter that came from Hubush, Hububush or whatever his name is, security guy for Saddam Hussein and was in you know he was there was a backdated letter that came to the White House because this guy had already said hey you know we don't have any weapons of mass destruction did you hear any of that at all? No, it's been suppressed or I missed it. Oh okay I'll find out the the author's name and of course I haven't read the book either but what has been in the news and I've seen a couple of reports about it so apparently this

12:08 uh... there was contact between the he was uh... must've been cia there was contact between cia and uh... saddam hussein's you know chief of intelligence who will who will bush i think his name is it's unlike a group of the bush the blue satsang and so who will said you know look you know that this is before we uh... before we went into iraq but we wish is saying uh... you know it's like saying that the public who publishes the bush to do we we don't have any weapons of mass destruction and so you know this is all back and forth and you know the the essence of the story is of course that uh... the white house ignored it and then they had some documents falsified which of course this is a truly impeachable offense et cetera cetera but what really i called my attention about the story of besides the fact that you know the president lied and we went into a country legally false pretenses etc

13:00 So the English had been following these 25 guys who had the idea of mixing liquids on the plane and blowing up all these US-bound planes from the UK, right? And this is what eventually has resulted in us not being able to carry more than 100 milliliters of urine in your carry-on bag. and what happened was is that the English really want to take it easy they had all these guys in a 24-7 surveillance and you know they wanted to get some real hard evidence you know they even said in conversations look you know here in England we take things a little slower we make sure we've got all the evidence we need so there's no no mess up and but don't worry because they can't make a move without us and then what

13:48 the White House did, either Bush or Cheney or whomever, they basically blew the whistle on this Habubush guy, who was in contact now with one of the informants. So that the 25 people being watched in the UK of course were immediately alerted and the Brits then had to scramble in the middle of the night and run all over the freaking place. And I remember how weird this was when this arrest came down. I'm like, what the hell is going on with this? It already felt really strange and now we know the back story that the US blew the whistle and that was because Bush had such a low approval rating at the time and everything was all messed up.

14:29 you know they he needed some kind of the new like many event to chalk some up for terrorism and so we they blew the whistle so that then the scotland yard had to you know russian go and apprehend all these guys and they're having to let him go now one by one because they really have no hard at hard evidence on it's a fascinating story uh... well uh... how did interesting let me see if i can find it it's around here I guess that means that Scotland Yard and the Brits shouldn't have shared so much. Well, I think they were working together but they were like, you know, according to this guy here, you know, who boo-boosh. Let me see if... Somehow that doesn't seem like that's the right spelling. No. I think you're just making up the names. Who-boosh. Maybe it's who-boosh. Who-bush? Oh man. Crap. I don't know. I'll find it and

15:22 I'll send you a link to that show. It was good. It's a good story. Oh, and John, listen to what I have here. You can't tell, of course. Can you hear? It's four DVDs. And what do these DVDs contain? They contain all of the Curry family home albums, home movies, which were transferred from Super 8 millimeter film to DVD of After. When did you finally do that? Actually, so my sister heard us talking about it and she says, no, no, no, Bob doesn't have them, I had them because my mom wanted to throw them out and so she basically rescued him. She had him sitting around the house forever and I said, well, you know, let's have someone put them on the DVD and it turns out that her husband, one of his friends was able to do it. He did it for free and made everyone a copy

16:15 I've got like super 8 mm from 67 to 70 Five I think and there's some pretty amazing stuff on there. It's not it's not just Africa it turns out There's a me at the other places you you were at what they give you knockout pills It's really weird watching this because you see things like oh, I remember cuz I don't really don't remember that much of Africa because I was three years old but seeing all of these images like shit Yeah, I totally remember that you know and all the stuff just starts popping in then you know we're we're fishing for you know

16:52 big game fish i remember that and uh... i'd certainly remember the the the lions having sex we had to wait for a half an hour until they were done it's great because my dad really got the some awesome for just for is really amazing when you see this sexy clinton's hot baby and uh... to see there was also we were in uh... in different parts of Asia, all of a sudden there I am at the Taj Mahal, there's me at the Acropolis, I mean it's really priceless footage, and things that look quite differently now than they did then. But here's what was funny, I was trying to figure out what country we were in and I saw something called the Three Sisters Inn, and I thought it might be Japan.

17:39 And so I googled the Three Sisters Inn, the first hit, it was the exact same sign, the building was a little more modern, and it was in Kyoto. and it was like, wow, you know, it was just a pretty amazing experience. I'll bring them with me so if you're interested we'll make copies. There's some... Yeah, I'd like to see them. There's some... Sounds like good travel log footage. Well, there's some really good close-up footage of President Abote and, you know, all kinds of ceremonies. I have no idea what it's all about but it's cool to watch. Now was that the Super 8? There was a Super 8 format that had a soundtrack on it. Was this a soundtrack? No, unfortunately not. This is before that. In fact, when you look at it, it has a very high Zapruder kind of vibe to it. It really does. You know, kind of the rounded edges on the screen because it doesn't quite scan all the way through, you know, and the colors and the flash of, you know, like a bad frame. It's pretty awesome. It's 1968, man.

18:39 You know, that's like, was that 40 years ago? Yeah, 40 years ago. Yeah, it's amazing any of these old, yeah, people have to find these old films and transcode them. Because they'll, yeah, because you'll lose them, right? Eventually they'll just, they'll go bad. Well, they're all fading. I mean, one of the problems is, you know, that They're just turning, all the colors aren't going to be there. In fact, having color at all is a miracle. Although I think you can probably run it through eventually a computer program to put it in stone. Yeah, it'll re-enhance. Oh sure, yeah. Well of course, so now I've got them on DVD, now I have to worry about the lifespan of the DVD, so it's like we're going to put another backup of this. I find I wind up in my life with a couple of these

19:24 100 gig hard drives these firewire drives and their label stuff like photo archive and It's just like it's like and you just have to schlep that along, you know for fear of eventually losing everything Well, you know, it's, yeah. Well, I mean, you have the modern phenomenon of media dying and then you can't use it ever again. I mean, I still probably have some backup cassettes that, or, you know, DAT tapes or whatever that no, nothing can read it. But I don't think it's that much different though than having a cache of negatives that you might have around the house that your mom would just chuck. Yeah, just throw out, right? I mean, we have like, my mother probably threw out 90% of that kind of thing. I mean, if I hadn't scrounged it when I was younger. Oh, that's horrible. My wife's mom was worse.

20:25 They had a bunch of art from... Dude, by definition. That would be your mom-in-law? Yeah. Okay. They're always worse. Actually, my mother-in-law is a... I got along with her famously. But she was... She apparently threw out everything that, you know, that was worth... I mean, she's talking about... We're talking about 18th century, you know, oil paintings. No way. That their family collected. She just like give them away. Oh, here we go. I'm sorry. I was wrong. It was... It was Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ron Suskind. That's the guy who wrote the book. You were wrong, who'd you say it was? I thought it was some CIA dude. It's called The Way of the World. That doesn't mean, you're not necessarily contradicting yourself. It could be a CIA dude. Good point. Well he worked for the New York Times. Yeah, you're right, it could have been a CIA dude. I keep proving the point, don't I?

21:19 Here we go. In his new book, The Way of the World, a story of truth and hope in a new age of extremism. Crikey, who wants a title like that? Author Ron Suskind alleges that the Bush administration knew Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and eventually fabricated intelligence assets to support its case for war. Both the White House and the CIA deny his claims. So he's got the CIA guy on record on tape And he has everything, he's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. He says, look, I've got everything on tape. I've got signed affidavits. The fact that these people are denying it now, it's like, yeah, duh. It sounds like something to read. Yeah. So what else is going on over there? So I'm drinking this tea this morning, by the way. Is this a trend over in England? Because one of our British friends sent this tea over. And it's Tetley's.

22:17 Earl Grey with vanilla. Oh God. Yeah, that shit's starting over here. You know what's next? This is somewhere, somehow, some point in time, someone decided that all the teas now have to be fruity teas and flavored teas. I don't know how they, why this is happening, but it's infiltrating everywhere. And I don't like it. No, I mean you can add your own flavor if you want to add flavor, it seems to me. That's my point. Huh, there must be some marketing guy out over there convincing these people. Yeah, yeah. When I see PG Tips, you know, chocolate flavored or something, I'll know it's the end is near. Yeah, they're in the supermarkets now. They're, this is so cool.

23:06 They're all really enthusiastic, some trials. So you can buy booze in the supermarkets here, but of course you have to be at least 16. And so they've got a new project that is being... 16? Huh. Yeah. Oh yeah. We like to get our kids started young here. And it's working, quite frankly. So in the supermarket they'll actually have a camera at the checkout, because there's always these arguments, right? You know, you're overage, underage, and then you have kids on the weekends who are actually at the register and they can't actually sell it unless some other adult at another register sees and approves. And there's all kinds... it's a hassle, or at least that's what they're saying. So now there's going to be a camera hooked up to a central network

23:58 and there will be official screeners who will be sitting there watching the monitors looking at who wants to purchase booze and they'll either approve it or they won't. And that's going to be like a central, some kind of central command that's going to do that for all the supermarkets and the government's excited about it and they want to subsidize part of it. But they're excited about this kind of, this proactive monitoring of people going through the checkout line? They're excited? They're excited! They literally said, this is very exciting, this is really fantastic. You know, it was funny, Christina had a little bit of a flu.

24:35 And there's this concert she wants to go to, and of course she's sitting out in the rain right now as I look outside. So she's like, you know, Daddy, you gotta get me some happy drugs, I gotta get better in a couple days. So I go off to Boots, and I'm thinking, you know, I'll pick her up something, because they don't have NyQuil or anything like that, God forbid. Boots, of course, is the pharmacy. Yes, the pharmacy. Big pharmacy chains. And so I figure I'd pick up a, like something like night nurse, day nurse or whatever with paracetamol in it. And then I'd grab a box of paracetamol aspirin. And the register literally would not accept the sale because you can't have two products that contain paracetamol.

25:19 And I was like, wow, why? He said, well, you know, because there's so many overdoses. I'm like, I've never heard of this ever. So, except of course for Bruce Ivins, the scientist who killed himself on aspirin, I've never in my life heard of someone overdosing on paracetamol. And I figure if anyone knows about this chemical, John, it's you. Yeah, I don't know anything about it actually. I think it's weird that they would have this kind of thing built into the registers now. That country over there is like a fascist state. It is, man. Now we have to use a new word. It's not good enough, fascist state. Yeah, I know. And you know, everyone's come up with... We sent this plea out, I guess, a few weeks ago. Yeah, two or three shows ago. No one has come up with anything. I mean, one guy came up with neo-fascist. I said, what are you kidding me? Yeah, that's not new. And then oligarchy.

26:15 It's not the same thing, it's not the same thing, no. I don't know. We just call it, I don't know, UK-ism, I have no idea. But people are feeling it here, they really are. And you know, it's really starting to piss people off, I can tell. It's about time, they sure are tolerant. Well, mainly they're tolerant because there's so many rules against protests. You can't actually protest legally in Britain anymore, all that shit's been taken away. And it's true. Well, you know, they almost have that they kind of have the same thing here I mean like they now they have free speech zones Yeah, right if you want to protest then you can do that ten miles south Almost and they in the free speech zones They're usually they're fenced in so it's almost like, you know, if they wanted to they could probably just say well We got them locked up already. Let's just put a you know a couple of

27:15 padlocks on the gates and gas them. John, I've never heard anyone say that. The gates thing, the camps, yeah. I don't know about the gassing. Well, I'm telling you, the way they've got it. The thing that's funny about it is that everybody goes along with the program. They walk right in there. Isn't that amazing that they actually do that? They walk into an enclosure set up by apparently the enemy, the man, with a big padlock on it. Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's ridiculous.

27:55 And then you can't find any politicians that you know you could vote in. I mean I guess Ron Paul comes the closest but you know people, these guys are marginalized. Much more important is you know we have to have an in-depth discussion about John Edwards extramarital affairs. That's what's important. Well you know what's interesting about that is that that's more important apparently in the UK than it is in the US because it's not being covered at all by major media at all. You're kidding me! No, it's like a big scandal amongst all the right-wing talk show guys. They're saying how come nobody...

28:32 You won't find, you know, it's like a page 10 thing. There's nobody in the main, major media here that is covering it. They're all, whoa, I don't know what to do about this. Really? Oh no, it's, I mean, the Brits love a good sex scandal, so yeah, no, they're all over that. Yeah, no, this is very, you won't find it on the front page. In fact, if you go, I mean, I know the Telegraph and all the British papers are covering it to an extreme, but here, nah. Well, since we last spoke last week, Obama is now being booed. Oh, he's being booed? Yeah, yeah, he's being booed in places where he shows up. Paris Hilton, thank God Paris Hilton's been pulled into politics. We were waiting for it. It was going to either be Amy Winehouse or Paris, but it's clearly is Paris Hilton now involved in our politics.

29:23 Now this is the news you're getting over there because we have I have seen no coverage. I'm looking at the New York Times right now. You haven't seen the Paris Hilton video? Oh no everyone's seen the Paris Hilton video. Okay. But nobody's talking about Obama being booed. Oh okay. No no I'm uh... This is a talking points thing. We talked about it last week, is Obama now getting arrogant and there's all this anti-Obama type news and they're showing clips here at least. I saw it on Fox News as well and Sky News, which essentially is the same thing.

30:04 and there's clips of him getting booed and he's like, you know, hold on, let's be respectful and of course it's taken out, he may be booed because he has poop on his shoe, I mean it's taken out of context, I have no idea why he's being booed. Wait, that's the question, why is he being booed? I don't know, that they're not going to tell me, but that doesn't matter, I'm interested in the positioning, that's more interesting than fact. Let's see here. There's Obama, the end of black politics, this is New York Times, my beautiful London, the tall cool drink of sewage. This is in the magazine which has all these kinds of... Are you looking for Obama stories about him being booed? I can't find anything. I can't find it. John Edwards is definitely not on the front page of anything. Let me do a search in the Times. I was just presuming about John Edwards. I'm like, that must be front page news because it's talked about here.

30:57 Yeah, I know everybody, I'm telling you this is one of the points of interest. Here's the New York Times search you got. The top story is not even about this. You go down a couple ABC News they point to saying Edwards admits to extramarital affair and that's the end of that. I think I know what the problem is. I figured it out. Okay, let me just, let me just, I saw it on my mobile phone this morning and I just want to make sure before I Here we go. Rielle Hunter. See, the problem is she's not hot. That's the problem. That's why it's not a good news story. She's not. She's not hot. In fact, his wife is hotter than she is. What's he doing? If you're going to mess around, man, get someone who's hot. That's the problem. I'm looking at... Here's the story that ran in the Times by Catherine Sealy or C-L-O-R-I-E. I can't even pronounce her name. Oh, here she is. Is this it?

32:03 Yeah, yeah, Reali Hunter, yeah. See what I mean? Well, I, you know, she's... She's not hot. Yeah, no, she actually looks British, actually. So, but, you know, that's the problem. She's not photogenic so that no one wants her. No, she's not very photogenic at all. She has, she looks like she's got a horse face, as it were. Well, I'm just saying. I'm not saying it in a bad way, but she has kind of a horse face and then she's got like this scrunchy hair and then she has a kind of a, kind of a Carly Fiorina smile. Yeah. You know.

32:45 And why is she, I wonder where she, like this picture that I'm looking at is like she's posing for something, she's proud of herself. She's got some mug shot from Extra or whatever. Anyway, yeah no it's not, it's like, you might be right, that actually could be the whole thing if she was like, you know. It's got to, John, the media is so stupid. Why does she have any affair with a Hollywood actress, you know, to make things interesting? I was watching Fox News, because I have to get my shot of reptilian motion. So, they have the live press conference where the officials at the White House are now going to lay out all the evidence for Bruce Ivins. This is the researcher who was about to be indicted for sending the anthrax letters and mysteriously killed himself on massive quantities of Tylenol.

33:38 I know this is a great story. So, I mean they couldn't even pin the patent angle to him which I thought was actually, you know, when you're looking for a motive it's like he had a patent for the vaccine and like okay you know wow what a stretch but you know I'll buy it if you guys can stick it to him. They couldn't even do that. But then questions started and this must have been like a you know like not the, this must be like the South Wing or something. I have no idea where this was because I let fucking anybody into this press conference. So, They're carrying it live on Fox News and then I hear, she was not on camera, and so I can hear an African American female voice and she's saying, you know, so what are you going to do about the families, people who are affected by the anthrax? There was some question kind of like that. It was kind of like a weird question, so I turn up the volume, I'm listening.

34:31 And then she launches into this like, because I'm one of the affected, you know, and then within seconds, John, within seconds, boom, Shep Smith or whoever it was, you know, came in with a voiceover and immediately, you know, it's like, okay, we'll come back to the, it was like, it's almost like now it's getting interesting. Now something cool is going to happen. Boom, you could just, you could almost hear the cue on camera. It's like, we're going back to Shep, Shep, cover it up. Just amazing. Just amazing. Let's shut that woman up. I'm sure they're pounding her with batons. Tasering her on the spot. We laugh, but it's not that funny. But we do laugh. Yeah, I figured it all out. All my research, all my conspiracy theories, I finally figured it out, John. It was so easy and I'm enlightened today. I feel great.

35:24 No more reptiles, no more UFOs, no more nothing for me. I've been able to rationalize everything. Reptiles? Well you were never into that, I hope. Well, I mean if you believe in the Nibiru, Planet X, and there are reptilian origins, then you gotta kinda believe in it. Yeah, I know you like it. No, no, but I figured out the whole thing actually where it started for me is I started reading a lot about Nikola Tesla. Yes, what an amazing guy this was. I mean, let's just list his inventions. Niagara Falls power plant, alternating current, you know, the I guess the electric generator in general, radio wave transmission. This guy was into a lot of stuff.

36:19 And then you see a lot of this free energy concept. And this of course, you could see as a huge hoax, conspiracy, etc. Were it not that I've actually had some results with some of this with like the hydroxy booster. But I've really... and so I've met a lot of these people, I've been talking to them over the past week, and you know, guys who are making Joe cells, and then this concept of zero point energy. and I think you know really at the bottom end or the bottom line if you believe Christ of all things as a resource Wikipedia the JP Morgan was, well I have seen in other places but who knows JP Morgan was one of Tesla's original investors and I believe he acquired a lot of his patents and Tesla of course never got around to making his free energy device and

37:17 I think, probably, that whenever the decision was made to have a petroleum-based power society, of course there was no chance left for anyone 100 years ago when Tesla lived to continue with these experiments because you actually need money to get these things going and to create them and you need labs and materials and tools and dye and you name it. And I think that probably That is really the reason why we're in this messed up world right now, is because science was actually stifled at that point in time and it's carried on for quite a while but now of course, as we're in 2008, there's a lot more resources to build and test things. And if you see what people are doing right now with this free energy concept and how far they've gotten,

38:11 And you've got to believe that there is certainly a different dimension to our world that we're not seeing or not able to see, but it does consist of movement energy and we are figuring out ways to harness this. I know you have some expertise in some of these fields, but clearly there's something that we're latching onto, but at this point you have this classic kind of conundrum I guess where no one believes anyone because of course it's been hammered into our brains, there's no perpetual motion, there's no machine, there's no creating energy without any other loss of energy or it has to equal up etc.

38:54 And then of course... Yeah, by the way, that's called physics. Go ahead. Well, yeah, absolutely. But there are a lot of physicists who are now saying, hey, you know, we have to perhaps look at rewriting the laws of physics because there's something here that is definitely new. I mean, you've never heard of this? So your approach to this, your own obsession with kind of a crackpot ideology is to dig a deeper hole. No, no, not yet. Wait, bear with me. Bear with me. Bear with me. Because at the absolute, so frantically the people who really own the world have to keep everything running on energy that they can control. Because of course there is some definite control in the oil market.

38:11 And you've got to believe that there is certainly a different dimension to our world that we're not seeing or not able to see, but it does consist of movement energy and we are figuring out ways to harness this. I know you have some expertise in some of these fields, but clearly there's something that we're latching onto, but at this point you have this classic kind of conundrum I guess where no one believes anyone because of course it's been hammered into our brains, there's no perpetual motion, there's no machine, there's no creating energy without any other loss of energy or it has to equal up etc.

38:54 And then of course... Yeah, by the way, that's called physics. Go ahead. Well, yeah, absolutely. But there are a lot of physicists who are now saying, hey, you know, we have to perhaps look at rewriting the laws of physics because there's something here that is definitely new. I mean, you've never heard of this? So your approach to this, your own obsession with kind of a crackpot ideology is to dig a deeper hole. No, no, not yet. Wait, bear with me. Bear with me. Bear with me. Because at the absolute, so frantically the people who really own the world have to keep everything running on energy that they can control. Because of course there is some definite control in the oil market.

39:43 And a part of the whole scam, and actually money comes secondary to this whole scam, is keeping us away from finding the free energy. Because if you actually have energy that anyone can create for free and you don't have to buy anything and you can pretty much make it out of magnets or whatever it is, then really the whole structure of everything falls apart. You don't need a whole bunch of things because they're based on energy that costs money. And that's kind of at the basis of our entire society. So you think I'm digging a deeper hole by following this trail? But there's a couple of things here that need to be addressed.

40:27 Besides the fact that you're digging a deeper hole. Yeah, but I like explaining these things to you because then you really help me evolve my thinking so please shoot no I've had actually my influence on you in this regard seems to have the opposite effect. I mean if It's like the two people that you know, they make each other's life worse. Okay, so So that's not so that's nonsense, but I love you more for it. I Yeah. So, first of all, you're advocating, I mean, it seems to be a base hope that something ridiculously impossible could happen to destroy society. So I think the basis for this kind of thinking is questionable. Wait, what are you talking about? I'm not hoping for something... You said yourself, you know, the whole thing is a mechanism, the whole society, till mechanism is based on this, you know, this need to buy oil or reduce an oil economy. You disagree with that?

41:25 No, it is an oil economy, but that's just the way it is. It just evolved that way. It wasn't decided by J.P. Morgan. I know what we'll do. No, no, no, hold on a second. I didn't say that. I said that he's... No, no, here's what I'm implying. He's one of the several names that we've spoken about. Put Rockefeller in there, you know. I definitely think that there was an option to people who already had a lot of money at the time to say, hey, you know what, this shit works pretty good, this oil stuff, let's get into this business, let's control it all, I mean that's pretty much proven that that's what's happened, and then we'll be rich beyond our wildest dreams. And isn't all of society is based upon that, and that's why those guys

42:08 will do whatever it takes to continue themselves to get richer, you know, and upon the shoulders of this oil idea came the whole banking system and all this money. They're all behind that. I mean, you've got to agree with some of that. I think the banking system was pretty evolved by the 1800s. But anyway... Yeah, derivatives and subprime mortgage lending? No. Well, that's just recent. Yeah, exactly. So let me ask this question, just change the subject slightly. Do you think that in England, it's, you know, because the British are known for eccentrics and eccentricities. Do you think it's maybe like in the water or the kind of tea that you drink or they poison people specifically to make them wacky? No, I'm not wacky, dude. No, I'm not saying about you, I'm just talking in general. No, I don't think so. I think it's coincidentally you're in England and you're getting more eccentric

43:08 I think it's more like cabin fever, because you're on an island, you know, it's like Gilligan's Island, there's 60 million plus people on it, so a couple of us are bound to go nuts after a while. You know, there is a thing called island fever that people who move to Hawaii suffer from often. They're not used to it. Yeah, I think I should go try that sickness. I'll go there for a while. But I always wonder about the British Isles because when I'm over there, you never feel that you're on an island at all. So I don't know how the people, like maybe yourself, get to the island fever kind of state.

43:46 state. Right, well it's a big-ass island first of all. Yeah. So you feel more like you're going to the coast. Of course it was originally connected to France. You know there was land there, in fact it's still there, it's just it's eroded, it's underwater now, but it used to be a part of the mainland. I mean it was connected, there was an actual road. I've dumbfounded you now? Yeah, you didn't know that? When did the road go away? When the water beat it. No, I realize that, but you're talking about the year. I believe the road was Roman period. So the Romans, they drove to

44:31 Well, I'm basing this... Ben Hur went there and conquered England. Now I was watching a documentary about early English man and you know where he came from and it was a BBC documentary so I have that in pretty high regard and you know then they said okay and so this and they actually showed and they showed geological surveys and said this is this was a road it went off to to like the middle part of France and it was actual landmass that was just connected. Oh yeah I can find out for you, I'll go and do the research and find out when it was built or when there was a road there. Maybe it was just dirt. Was it actually a road? Yeah it was dirt. It was probably dirt. It wasn't paved. It was two ditches, okay? It was one ditch going that way, the other ditch going the other way.

45:21 But it was connected. So that's maybe that's a psychological, maybe that's still makes it feel like it's attached. You know, it's not really. It was probably connected a million years ago. I mean, it's like the it's like the, you know, the Bering Strait where, you know, they the Koreans and the Asians waltzed over to North America and they became Eskimos and Indians. It was a while back. Let's go back further when the whole earth was just one big giant landmass. It's split apart. Yeah, okay now now back to my free energy, dude Oh brother go on well Have you seen any of the ends have you seen any of these experiments with or you know actual working models of generators that are based on magnets and that actually work no I haven't seen anything in this regard that actually works and

46:13 Well, there's a lot of examples and a lot of different versions and there's still a lot of hydrogen type stuff that people are doing but I've kind of figured out what the problem is. First of all, anyone who's into this stuff and is actually going to spend time in his garage building it is of course kooky and then people like you of course ridicule them and we all will all already kind of week to start with and we're kind of uh... introverted and then you know that you had like the way you're citing with these people totally we need to know we need to get a house in your pocket we we were told we were told well-introverted and then you push us back into the garages but here's here's the big problems all these guys are trying to get patents

46:52 and uh... you know the trying to make money and then of course investors ripped them off because of this it's not really not really investors that just people who are you know trying to grab stuff to go figure out patents themselves and all the stuff which is basically if if we're talking about something that that is easy enough to be made in your garage what did no one's ever gonna make any money on it And that's kind of why it never gets off the ground. And by the way, they used to just kill the guys who came out and said, oh, I've got some free energy. They stopped doing that about 15, 20 years ago. So now they just ridicule you with the John Dvorak fucking slash blog army who just want to stop the world from being saved by having free energy.

47:35 Yeah, right. They used to kill him. I know that guy who did the pill. You dropped into a 55-gallon drum of water. You put the pill in there and boom, fuel. They killed that guy. First they stole his invention. And then they killed him. By the way, they didn't just kill him. First they beat him up and then they killed him. John, this is, I'm telling you, so I'm off of the aliens and UFOs and the reptiles, but I think that this is where the real problem of the universe is, and if we understand this and we see the change in physics, in the laws of physics as we know them, we're gonna, that's when we're gonna really unlock our true potential. We're gonna create some amazing stuff. I do believe that.

48:19 Apparently. But again, I don't know what it is they're drinking over there. But let's take, anyone who wants to deal with this can go to YouTube and type in zero point energy and look for some videos and you'll find plenty of guys on there. And all you have to do is watch any one of dozens of these guys pontificate for the hour and a half that he feels like chatting with that crazy comic book guy style of talk and this like whack job concepts and you just know the guy should be you know it's just like one step away from the loony bin I mean you just wait for some guy with a big net to come behind you. Thank you for giving me the perfect example of why civilization cannot progress. It is exactly that attitude that you just

49:12 just sent out that is, I mean, how can you be so, how can you ridicule? Have you ever seen yourself? I wouldn't give you a fricking dime on the street, dude. You know and if and if you came out to oh look I've got zero point energy You know you would be laughed at right out of a Silicon Valley. I mean this is the problem We've got to stop this I would be laughed at a Silicon Valley. This is true. This is the problem though This is this is why we're not getting what our birthright man free energy All right, all right as long as I was able to entertain you yeah, well I

49:52 The hole is deeper is all I can tell you. Right, well keep your eye on that hole because you know... Oh wait a minute, I think your next transition, let me predict it. Okay. I'm visualizing it. Where am I going next? Antigravity. Oh it's all a part of it. No, it's definitely a part of it. The zero point energy is mixed in with the antigravity. Absolutely. Okay dude, that's fine. You can laugh. Yeah, hey, you know if you get that free energy let me know. I mean I'll take a piece of it. Yeah, well of course. It has to be made for all mankind. No one can own it. It just has to be out there so you can say, oh I need a little energy right now and just pick up a rock and some gaffer tape and make a battery. You know, have a couple, string a couple magnets together, put it under your Nikes and your wheels and you're off to the races. I mean, why not?

50:52 I would recommend anybody out there just go to YouTube and decide for yourself. Yes, very good. Please do that. Don't listen to me. No, look for, what was one of the first ones I saw? Don't listen to me. Don't listen to your college professors. No, go look at the Race to Zero Point Energy. That's the one you want to watch on YouTube. That's a good starting point. I have one that I blogged some couple years ago, this guy. Now, anyway, I'll look it up. I'll put it on, I'll re-blog it. Actually, or anybody out there who has some of the more wacky ones, I'd be interested to know. It's not wacky. Why don't you just say challenging or interesting? Just because you don't understand that doesn't mean it has to be wacky. I don't know. Somebody sent me an email saying that you need

51:49 Help you know that I need help. I said you know poor Adam is getting worse Yeah, help the man Bubba didn't send us any any stuff to follow up on I thought it was I don't think we didn't have anything to follow up on no we didn't have any Teasers okay, just ended hey did someone really send that Adam needs help yeah seriously All right, then let me switch gears for a second Freddie Mac Fannie Mae hello Yeah, well, you know, it's just the way it goes. Hello. Oh, come on, man. And now Royal Bank of Scotland closest we get to zero point energy Bank run a bankrupt operation and then get bailed out Now we were talking about that last week, you know, and I said that the whole system is coming crashing down You're like, oh, I don't think so, dude. This is bad. I mean it's hit the UK is literally bankrupt you know the

52:48 So, then it worked. Success. How did we get all these overseas investors suckered into this is what amazes me. Yeah, it was the Royal Bank of Scotland. The thing is, it's three banks now. It's the Fortis Bank, which is French and Belgian, I think. Then you have Fortis and Royal Bank of Scotland, they bought ABN Amro for 50 billion dollars. Oops. And they bought it just before the subprime crisis hit and so these guys are like really hurting. Royal Bank of Scotland, it's the second largest loss reported by a UK bank in history. And what's interesting is that news reports don't tell us what the biggest loss was but I'm pretty sure it was Northern Rock.

53:46 Well, you know, these guys, apparently they're not very good at their business. Yeah, but look at what's happening now in the States. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who's going to pay for it? Tax. Taxpayers are going to pay for that. Yeah, well, you know, they always find some sucker. Yeah, but it seems like these numbers are getting kind of big, John, and it's not over yet. I mean, come on, give us some professional prognostication here. I think it's just a sign of the bottom. Okay. Why don't you invest now and let me know how that goes, okay? I would say that right after the elections is an ideal time to invest. And then I'll let you know how it goes until the elections, you know, it's going to be like this.

54:30 And then what? And then as you predict, the stock market's going to go crazy, it's going to go up, if McCain is elected. Actually, I think either one of them, but I don't think Obama's going to win. Even though, you know, everyone goes, oh, how can he not win? He's already won somehow. I don't see that. I don't see he's won already. Most of the people here do. Which I think is part of the scheme, of course, is to push that image out there because then it, because the public is so fickle, especially the US public, they're going to start saying, well, you know, this guy thought he had it wrapped up, you know. No, it's this whole arrogant thing. It's a whole booing thing. Dewey Truman all over again. Well, interesting. I think that,

55:15 I mean, it seems like this is a total media manipulation. The word is out, okay, now let's call the guy arrogant, now let's make him look funny. And I'm actually, I'm still kind of with Lyndon LaRouche on that he may not even make the nomination at all. Well, you know, they're still, you know, now their right-wing talk show guys are revealing that Hillary had a meeting. Right, yeah, I heard about this. In San Francisco, and she went at her meeting, she says, you know, it's not over till, she didn't say this, but the kind of message was, it's not over till it's over, and maybe somebody should place my name in, you know, a nomination, at least symbolically, so we can all walk away as a united party, and blah, blah, blah. But it looks,

55:59 According to, of course, this could all be bull too, just to stir up things. to create fear and certainty and doubt. Supposedly Hillary's folks are calling all those superdelegates who can do whatever they want when they finally get to the... Right, right. Oh, right. Now we gotta make some... Yeah, so this is what we talked about, man. That they could always go back to the superdelegates and make them change their mind and anything could happen. Anything that Obama does could make those superdelegates change their mind easily. Right, and there's another month to go, or almost a month. Of which he's going on vacation for a week or two. And by the way, Clinton never actually stopped her campaign. She suspended it, remember? Yeah, no, she never fully... Right, right. She's still playing the game somehow. And I guess this is her strategy, which this is the argument she'd make. She'd say, look,

56:53 I never really quit. I never said I did. I just said that, you know, she'll have some parsing thing. This is Bill's old thing. You say one thing and mean another. And then, you know, say this was the strategy all along because the way it was going, you know, it looks like this was the way we could, because our job was to get the nomination any way we could that was legitimate. and this is the way we went and if you know this guy thought he was a winner all along it's not my fault. I wasn't anointing him. Yeah, now he's been doing some kind of wacky interviews too saying some kind of suggestive stuff. Well he's at the point where there's a... see I still have one of the problems I have and I think it's gonna the public eventually is going to go has this guy ever actually held a job?

57:45 No, seriously. I mean, he was a college professor for a while, but essentially he's a, you know, talk about your professional politician. This guy was a politician from the get-go. Clinton, you mean? No, I'm talking about Obama. Obama, oh, okay. I don't know if Clinton's held a job either, to be honest about it. It's like, I mean, was he ever a paper boy? Did he ever sell lemonade on the corner? Did he ever work in a factory? Did he ever work in a gas station? Did he ever work in a supermarket? Was he ever in the union? Was he a union man or was he ever a member of some local union? I don't know. Has he ever done anything? And so now he's gonna direct this big-budget business

58:29 biggest country or not the biggest but the most powerful country in the world with no work experience except you know lecturing about law I'm just kind of I think that's kind of frightening well let me see there must be a bio on his website that says what he did I mean it wouldn't surprise me that no one's ever just bothered to look at his That is bio. Community organizer which is a volunteer job. You know that's what you know women in the Hamptons do that kind of stuff. Meet the candidate. Let me see. Born in Hawaii, August 4th 1961. Grew up, blah blah, college years. Oh man he went straight from, let me see. Yeah here we go.

59:18 He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 91 where he became the first African-American president of Harvard Law Review soon after he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law. What does that mean? Like an internship? I don't know. Finally his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate. No, it doesn't. I mean there's nothing about paper routes, that's for sure. No, as far as I can tell, he's never worked. So, okay, we got a guy who's never worked for a living, running the country. Great. That's what we need. They're all chipped. They're all robots. They can't help it. So anyway, I think that's going to, at some point, people are going to go, wait a minute, I've got more experience than this guy. Why am I voting for him? And so they'll vote for the old man. Really? You think so? Yeah.

1:00:17 My wife has another theory kind of why they were gonna vote for the old man. It's because the last two presidents we've had have both been baby boomers. Right. And they've both been fuck-ups. And we want a father figure. Is that it? We want some old, you know, somebody with, you know, yeah. Somebody that's just not in that generation. Yeah, it could be. I don't know, man. He doesn't, he, I mean that... Again, it doesn't matter. If you look at the rationale people have to vote for him, he's well-spoken. Really? Well-spoken? That's what they say about me? Well-spoken. But the thing they say is, well, he represents this, he represents that. He represents change and he represents the kind of forward thinking that I agree with. But fine, you can represent that all you want. It just doesn't mean you can do this. But actually do something about it.

1:01:10 It's like, okay, fine. I mean, I admire the symbolism of the guy. In fact, he's symbolic of this and that. And I think a lot of Democrats would love to get, you know, I mean both parties, as far as I'm concerned, would love to be the party that has the first woman president and the first, or the first black president. Sure, sure. Because they have bragging rights. You know, it's like Nixon going to China, you know, how come the Democrats couldn't pull that off? You know, they're the big, you know, socialists. They couldn't, you know, do any deal with China, but so Nixon did it.

1:01:45 So the Republicans had bragging rights and you know they both parties would like to have you know the first black president so the Democrats are you know putting everything they can into this guy. But you know their backup strategy is to have Hillary run so they're either going to get the first black or the first woman if either one of them can win. I think Hillary has a real shot. If I look at the landscape, it was Hillary Clinton against McCain. I think she'd have a real shot. I mean, forgetting of course the rigged, die-bold voting machines, etc. The rigged machines helps the Republicans, let's face it. But let's take another look at that assertion. I think that if Hillary... I think either one of them is going to have trouble. I think they're both unelectable, personally. But if Hillary ran... And by the way, I think it would be really funny if she could talk Obama into being the VP. That was your initial theory, right? That that is completely unelectable.

1:02:43 Completely, but let's just say that it's her and somebody else or whoever. I think that if they bamboozle the party and somehow screw Obama out of the nomination, they're going to lose all the black voters, period. In fact, I think a lot of them might even vote Republican. And then they're also going to lose all these young people that are, half of them are middle-aged actually, idealists who are all for Obama because of what he represents and symbolizes. And they're going to be really irked. I just think they're going to get a poor turnout. You saw Jesse Jackson's thing, right? That they caught of him talking about Obama? Yeah, two weeks ago. But Jackson is, you know, nobody's... He's out of the picture. He's not relevant anymore?

1:03:37 Yeah, I think that even blew over really fast. It just showed what he's become, which is, you know, he did that on purpose. You think? The guy's a media whore. I mean, he knows exactly what he's doing. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you don't sit there at that level sitting there miked up. You know, and then put your hand slightly over the mic. Actually, he was essentially cupping it. Essentially to direct your voice into it. Can you hear me now, sound engineer? Here we go. Let me say something. Yeah. You know, he might even tip somebody off to say, hey, you know, you might want to be recording these off, you know, off air comments. Just a thought there. You know, who knows? But whatever the case was, it was pretty funny. But it didn't, it blew over.

1:04:29 Anyway, just so for people who didn't see it Jesse Jackson says I'd like to cut Obama's nuts off for the way He talks down to black people. I think that's pretty much exactly what he said something like that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, but You know as it was staged I think oh man, there's so much going on What? Well, just in general. We just ran out of material when you said that. Well, no, just all that stuff. I mean, it's the way the media is. I mean, it's just fascinating to watch. Here's another thing that's going on, I think, that people have to pay attention to. People who listen to the show will enjoy this tip.

1:05:10 Over the last number of years, McCain used to go on the Jon Stewart show a lot. I think he probably still comes out. He probably more than any other politician and exchanges gags. The Republicans are more likely to hire, and I think McCain was trying to figure out how he could hire some joke writers. Ronald Reagan had like a couple of joke writers on staff and so he could do essentially material. I don't think the Democrats, I think they rarely do this because they're so humorless generally speaking. So McCain obviously has somebody working for him now because he came up with one the other day, which is obviously professionally written Very funny seemed like an ad-lib, but it was you know he was starting to do the talk show Circuit now yeah, so he's showing up here and there on the radio talk shows the right-wing ones and and so Obama has there are no other radio talk shows except right wing wings except for this one, and this is such an undirected

1:06:10 Piece of garbage is a zero point energy. No one will show up on this show Well, we're on Paul would That would be interesting. Okay. Anyway, maybe we can get Lyndon LaRouche that's what's fitting with our theme Crackpot thing. Come on. They're not all crackpots. Don't don't talk like that. That's not didn't your mom teach you anything? No So, anyway, let's... Okay, so the latest gag going around, so they had, you know, Obama comes out with, we can save X billions of dollars in gas if everyone kept their tires inflated properly. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, right, this is the pressure gauge thing, yeah. Yeah, so then the next thing that Democrat or the Republicans come out with, apparently

1:06:55 is a pressure gauge that has on the side of it emblazoned Obama's energy policy. And they were handing this out to people, right? And so Obama comes back on the air and says, you know, they're criticizing me for, and then he says, this stupid tire pressure gauge thing, it's only part of this, that, and the other thing. And he was like a little annoyed by it, but he was handling it with some humor. But the McCain line, which has shown up since, Which is, McCain said, the line is as follows, he says, well you know, he talks about tire pressure gauges and this kind of thing and that kind of thing. He says, this is not an energy policy, it's a public service announcement. It is. Well I heard about, I went back and I listened to the original speech.

1:07:43 that Obama gave, and he did that a couple of times, so it was one of the speeches, but this was presented as the speech that it came from. And it didn't come across very well to begin with. you know, it would be the tire gauge. Yeah, you know, it's like get, you know, get your car tuned at regular interval. I mean, basically what he was saying, public service. Well, this is yeah. Okay. But he was combating the Republican McCain's energy policy by saying, you know, the amount of energy that McCain's plan will save can be achieved by just keeping your tire pressure in check. You know, that's what he was. It was not well thought out to start with. It was it was almost,

1:08:21 You'd almost think someone set Obama up with that one. I mean, how easy is it to see that that's a great one for a gag? Yeah, well anyway, so as soon as I heard the line about this public service announcement, I immediately said, McCain's got some joke writers now. So we're gonna hear some good stuff coming. This is the thing that no journalist as far as I can tell has actually investigated. So we have this Paris Hilton response to McCain's use of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears in an anti-Obama ad. But who made that? It was on Funny or Die, but who actually produced that? I mean, that was well written, that was well produced, and quite honestly, what Paris Hilton suggested was completely what President Bush said in his weekly radio address. I mean, it's completely the Republican plan.

1:09:17 Yeah, I know. It looked like the whole thing was supposedly a criticism of McCain. No, but it wasn't. It was a Republican ad as far as I could tell. You know, I feel exactly the same way even though the Democrats seem to have missed the point on this. For one thing, if you look at the entire process, first it was the original ad with Britney and Paris. and equating Obama with some sort of dimwit. Then we had the next piece, the next piece was the Hiltons were really pissed off because they had both given money to McCain, right? Right, so they get all bent out of shape supposedly, complaining how they gave money to McCain but they didn't expect their daughter to be ridiculed in the process and blah blah blah blah. So there's more publicity for both the ad. And by the way, McCain doesn't have the budget Obama has. So he's doing a lot of the kind of really grassroots, fake grassroots, AstroTurf type promotions that get you free. You don't need to pay for these ads. No, it's viral.

1:10:19 Totally. It's viral and it's like the Apple Macintosh 1984 ad that only ran once and is still being watched. Still must see, copied everywhere. I think you're absolutely right on that John. And what just amazes me is that because Paris Hilton is perceived as to be rich, Everyone automatically assumes, oh man, Paris is so funny, what a great way to respond. But no one's actually saying, who fucking produced this thing? Who paid for it? Who wrote it? It's brilliant. And by the way, because I listen to the presidential radio address each week, it's a podcast, it is exactly the same words that Bush used in saying to Congress, the Democratic Congress has gone on vacation.

1:11:05 without signing this our energy bill and he used the exact same words that Paris Hilton used. This is the way we should do it. Whatever later tax credits, we'll use that for alternative energy. Yeah, no, I mean, everything was extremely well thought out as a policy. And so it was written by somebody else. She doesn't look like she was using a prompter. No, she's a little actress. She's good. She can act. Yeah, so she can memorize her lines. And they probably did it in about three or four takes. and you know the hot thing she keeps throwing in. It was funny, yeah it was funny. It was very funny, it was very endearing. Ben, you're right, I'm totally convinced that the whole thing is part of this grand scheme to stretch the advertising budget and it just, it gets more attention than anything. I mean what has Obama done that's even remotely that interesting? I'm especially interested because as far as I can tell this thing was launched on FunnyOrDie.com which is, you know,

1:12:06 really mark kwame's baby mark kwame is uh... of sequoia capital And, you know, I don't know anything about the other people in Funny or Die, but I'm just thinking there's all kinds of interesting connections to be made there. You know, who actually came up with this? Who did it? I mean, why don't we just find out? It's interesting. It's like zero point energy. I want to know. Paris Hilton and zero point energy. that New York Times article that ran about lulls that we talked about. Oh, I heard that on Twitter. That was pretty good. I heard that. Well, there's a picture of a kid in the article and they don't tell you who he is. It's just like, it's a kid. It's a stock photo. They took it off of Facebook. They just, they just take this picture and use this one. It's like, you know, I mean, we're not, these guys aren't doing any, I mean, you're right. Exactly. I mean, actually I didn't think it that far along, but

1:13:03 Yeah, where is the reporting? Who wrote this? By the way, now somebody will eventually do that, but it'll be dead. You have to do this immediately. There's something else that's happening is that all kinds of plagiarism going on where uh... smaller newspapers that have a website you know they're literally stealing entire reviews and copies of a copy from other uh... like the guardian in the u k you know and their and the reprinting that in the u s as as news actually putting into the papers now uh... because i think it's license to do anything on a no no no no i've heard a couple stories of it was not like it happened to us amino games weasel

1:13:45 So, Matt Cuddle does Gamesweasel, which is a great video games video show. There's also an audio version. And so he does an audio version, a video version, and he also publishes on his blog, you know, his show notes, he publishes the text of it. It's a script, you know, he scripts it, he writes it, and then he records it. And so we found out that the Scotsman, which is not a really small publication, but they've been reprinting his exact text for like the past three months as their weekly video game review.

1:14:23 You're kidding. No, no, no. And it's a... well, so they hired some chick, I forget what her name is, you know, to write video game reviews because she looked the part. You know, it's one of these pieces where it's a weekly column and there's a picture of her and she looks like she's cool and hip and would totally know everything about video games. And she apparently has just been copying it every week off of our site. And Scotsman has just been printing it. That's pretty funny. Yeah. I guess. Don't these people know anything about the law or you know, stealing material? Well, they're not checking that. You know, this is my point is, you know, there's all kinds of plagiarism going on. But the girl, can't she write? I mean, she has to steal somebody else's material. No, no, of course she can't. No, no. And what are you going to do about it, right? So, you know, of course we send off a letter, but you know, I don't want to go through a lawsuit, you know, even if we're right. I mean, what point, you know, the only people going to win are the lawyers.

1:15:18 I know that. Typically the problem with these, but you could stop it at least. Oh no, no, no, it stopped. No, it stopped. Believe me, it stopped. But you really want to ridicule them and shame them and admit there's not much you can do. You know, give us some free ads in the Scotsman. Woo hoo! Thanks. Why not? Huh. Well yeah, well that's I think the blogging mentality thing is what you, you know, I think it's, I think a lot of people don't know what an excerpt is, what fair use is, and they don't, you know, in fact, I always have to tell my, the guys that blog for me at Dvorak.org slash blog, that they're sometimes overdoing the excerpting, you know, you can't just take the whole damn thing.

1:16:03 And, you know, the AP is concerned about it and Reuters is irked because people are doing that. I think the main thing that I've heard, and I think this came from AP, what they really hate is like the headline, if you steal the headline. Because, you know, the news, they consider it's the news. And, you know, you should be able to copy a portion, link to the original, etc. But they really don't like you taking their headlines. They want you to come up with your own headline. Well, generally speaking, your own headlines should be an improvement. I don't think their heads are that great. No, but you know what I'm saying. I can understand where they're coming from on that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's probably a better... I think if you're a blogger in particular, your headlines which end up in the RSS feed,

1:15:18 I know that. Typically the problem with these, but you could stop it at least. Oh no, no, no, it stopped. No, it stopped. Believe me, it stopped. But you really want to ridicule them and shame them and admit there's not much you can do. You know, give us some free ads in the Scotsman. Woo hoo! Thanks. Why not? Huh. Well yeah, well that's I think the blogging mentality thing is what you, you know, I think it's, I think a lot of people don't know what an excerpt is, what fair use is, and they don't, you know, in fact, I always have to tell my, the guys that blog for me at Dvorak.org slash blog, that they're sometimes overdoing the excerpting, you know, you can't just take the whole damn thing.

1:16:03 And, you know, the AP is concerned about it and Reuters is irked because people are doing that. I think the main thing that I've heard, and I think this came from AP, what they really hate is like the headline, if you steal the headline. Because, you know, the news, they consider it's the news. And, you know, you should be able to copy a portion, link to the original, etc. But they really don't like you taking their headlines. They want you to come up with your own headline. Well, generally speaking, your own headlines should be an improvement. I don't think their heads are that great. No, but you know what I'm saying. I can understand where they're coming from on that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's probably a better... I think if you're a blogger in particular, your headlines which end up in the RSS feed,

1:16:46 They have to be compelling. They have to be great, yeah. Well, people don't understand this. It's like, there are still people in my life who send me email with an empty subject. I mean, how stupid is that? You've got to be marketing for anyone you send email to. The subject line has got to say it all. That's what's going to get your email clicked on because increasingly, of course, your email is scrolling off the screen. Yeah, in fact I have like two or three days of email. I mean I look through, for one thing all the spam gets moved over. So this is not spam, it's generally you know something press releases and people are you know have something to tell me. And I'll scroll through

1:17:26 Through I just look look look look look you know oh yeah, there's curry said once something see what he said bail click on that or scroll scroll scroll Every email I send you is gonna have a subject zero point energy So I'm assured you're gonna open it up Without keep me from opening it. That's one way doing it free energy exclamation point That'll get that you know that it probably end up getting thrown in a spam box I go down and find something else. It's like some reader I'd never heard of and he's got some interesting subject line I guess he wants to tell me something so I click on it and might be a link to a story that can blog or something I should be reading or some correction to our show which is pretty common and You know you guys got that wrong, too You always forgot to say by the way. We don't know anything about anything

1:18:16 That's our new, that's gotta be our new subline. No agenda. We don't know anything about nothing. That's a t-shirt and we like it that way, damn it. Alright John, I'll cut you loose. I can tell you're not feeling too well. No, I'm fine. We haven't had any rants from you. I've been pushing you all throughout the whole show. I just can't get you to rant. Why you put you've you've basically buried me you know with the dirt you've been thrown out of that hole you're digging Just give yourself a day and think about it John. Are you doing it already? Yeah, I'm zoning out and as we speak listening to the fine Bones of them yes our Marriott jazz quartet you in town next week. We're gonna have dinner I

1:19:09 Yeah. Okay, cool. I have to be home before 9 though because I'm doing my Dutch radio show and that means I have to do it starts at 9 p.m. San Francisco time. Oh, okay. Well every night Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, we'll just do something early. Yeah, or for we could do Friday because then I can I can stay out late on Friday we can play Hey say hi to the family John will do all right That's it for this week coming to you from the United Kingdom. I'm Adam Curry and I'm John C. Dvorak here in the Pacific Northwest. And we'll talk to you again next week, right here on NO Agenda, where we don't know anything about nothing.