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00:01 Coming to you not only from opposite ends of the globe, but also opposite ends of... The generational gap. It's time once again for No Agenda coming to you from the affluent suburb of Surrey known as Guilford in the United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry. It's affluent huh? Oh hell yeah! I'm John C. Dvorak coming to you from the less than affluent sections of Northern California We're well known as the affluents here The real people live, the real people No man this is... The salt of the earth is in Guilford my friend There might be some salt there but that has nothing to do with the population Hey we didn't do our weather check! I've got a beautiful day How are you doing in San Francisco?

00:45 It's kind of foggy, which means it could be really hot this afternoon. It has been very hot in the last few days. There was 100 the other day. Oh crap! We've had some extremely hot weather which always results in this fog now whether or not its going to burn off is another issue It's been nothing like that over here obviously, but it has been nice. We have a nice day today with a little bit of breeze, little bit of sun and couple clouds...it's nice I don't know how you can see anything? You were partying all last night! Tell us about it Yeah so actually normally we record the show around what is it probably 530 PM my time, so about 9 30 AM your time

01:27 on Saturday and I'd already sent John a note and said look, we've been invited to this party. It's in Brighton which is about an hour from here down south right on the coast which is famous for a number of reasons. One of them is there are some political conventions that take place there but Brighton does have some pretty big historic significance actually was a beach there's Brighton Beach correct and you know what the architecture and the beach interestingly enough it being the gay capital of United Kingdom it has a very interesting San Francisco vibe huh yeah uh... yet really does we look at I didn't know is to gay capital well if its the capital but um... yes I think it has that dubious honor now and it does have a beach anyway so this was a party that was being thrown by David Hill whose

02:19 the president and founder of E3 Entertainment. Basically what they do is they provide all the entertainment for the big Thomas Cook vacation packages, which is kind of interesting because that's everything from trips to Disneyland... ...to the big cruise ships. And so Patricia and I were invited by Super Agent Keith who uh... and it was also a charity dinner so you know for two children's charities. So, you know it is one of those things kind like rubber chicken type thing but let's go see its go hang out lets go to Brighton. Was that was it a gay event? Yes and no I mean yeah a lot of like cruise theater you know cruise line type theater stuff with dancers and can-can and so yeah that was obviously some major camp aspects

03:12 uh... and the allied because it was kind of a gay event in a way which which usually uh... could be pretty funny uh... that i think the funniest thing about this with just our table you know if you've you have not met to keep bishop who were we call super agent keith but he's tied into like me at twenty years of the bbc and now he's been independent for a number of years and so he knows everybody and knows everything about everybody And he has friends like Mickey the News Agent, Mickey Kebab Knife. All of these shady kind of figures who travel in his circles and you know some...

03:52 delebrities anyway it was a very... sorry? Sounds like a laundry list of personalities from the movie Goodfellas. Well there was one thing you know so it was exactly, and what's interesting is that at one roundtable where you sit with ten people and I'm sure Keith bought the table for a thousand pounds or whatever And you know, so you're kind of interacting with people and then as the evening goes on... Now remember this is a first for us in the British culture. As the evening goes on and the wine flows more freely boy! Things get kinda loose and pretty funny. There was one guy Kevin The Comedian I don't even know his last name but I do recognize him from several stand-up shows that they have over here in the UK very similar to The States on television

04:39 And at one point he said, okay here's what we're gonna do. On the count of three we're all going to start laughing and like someone just said something really hilarious and everyone will think that we have the funniest table in the best place to be. An they all did it! It was absolutely something I think i will repeat no matter where I am on these rubber chicken dinners is pretty funny because everyone looks over like crap man I'm at the wrong table should've been sitting with those guys It's like Woody Allen on the wrong train in Stardust Memories. If only I had seen it, I could comment. Oh yeah great movie you should... You actually that's a movie you SHOULD see

05:18 it's a lot of people believe that was the yes one song to the funny period of woody allen cuz it was about all the other movies he did previous is actually a lot of people including myself think it's one of his best movies uh... you got a copy of sure you can report for me or do i have to go through the process of finding it later so um... but anyway if there was really nice at the most amazing thing is brighton just in general i was completely blown away its it's a rather large city uh... has a fantastic you know it's only twenty five minutes from gatwick which is interesting because where we are is also twenty five minutes away from gatwick but its on the sea it has uh... you know lot of entertainment nightlife etcetera as a fantastic pier that it has an old one that is still kind of decrepit there in the sea which is i think because it's a protected them they don't get rid of it uh... but the new one is just amazing which is very much like a coney island type of pier

06:12 and i believe that i believe that gordon ramsay did one of his uh... tonight you're sure he must have the most be a ton of places for him to work on it is management skills there but if really nice you know and and honestly after just driving down there in being around their driving through the bit patricia like we should consider moving here i mean it's like there's no difference from from london except uh... you know heres actually said appears to be still very british The architecture is exactly the kind that we like, which as I said is kind of like that San Franciscan but also London terrace houses. You've got the sea you've got a beach you've got Shoreham Airport 10 minutes away which is good for daddy-o Gatwick 25 minutes away it's like now yeah that might be an option why don't you do it

07:01 Well, we're looking. In fact it was funny because I said to Patricia as i was making my tea before the show I said okay hon i'm gonna do the show is Christina home? No she's out at Liz's house Okay could you please like not surf and I'll just close your email She's like oh great! I just had my cup of tea and I was ready to sit down and look at real estate in Brighton Okay well I guess I won't then You know one of those jobs I guess I won't. We can, but we can both use the internet at the same time for bandwidth intensive applications if one of them is Skype Yeah no you should get a second line. I put an order in months ago with Virgin

07:40 which is the uh... virgin media they bought and he'll be cable company and that you know formally known as nt hell and nothing has changed in that regard you can't get him out you think about it may be in december site okay now while problems are present by house the connectivity in brighton to be checked into because i know that your one of the reasons you want to move in further was to get better connectivity i have a feeling it's going to be a helluva lot better than compared to gilford i mean brighten his big smoke and its mission major It's a real it's a it's a metropolis. It's not gonna blow me away I'm sorry you think get more house for your money now, I think it's gonna be about just yeah about equally as expensive in fact the vibe is From the people that I spoke there's like everyone from London is now moving here keeping a pieta tear in the city of course for when you have your West End show and

08:28 But no, I think it's well in general real estate here. They're different Yeah, they're predicting the papers now that there's going to be a 9% decline in prices overall 40 percent decline in actual property sold hmm so good yeah, where's market? That's when you buy not I think I think I'm gonna wait just a little bit longer I don't think it's quite there yet because meanwhile of course the interest rates for mortgages are going up and How crazy is that? Yeah, it's one of those deals. What do we call it? Stagflation! I see it everywhere now since you taught me the word. Stagflation a classic

09:08 Almost in fact, so how is the let's go back to the party. So you said this party had fireworks? Yeah, everybody was plastered yeah it was well yeah it was a very British and Patricia I don't really drink You know glass of wine but then near the end there so everyone outside on the balcony and there was fireworks It wasn't nice little display right off the off the beach And then everyone went back in and just started to drink and dance and I'm like dude. It's like midnight and and I'm tired. I got an hour to drive back, and i'm not going to sit around here and drink anymore." And you just see people kind of melt away but...I'll tell ya the British when they drink they're funny by the way they're funny when that when they don't drink but there are other not annoying drunk it's just nicely drunk and and then... That seems to contrast with the Irish

09:59 I have no experience with the Irish. But they've certainly got their wits about them If you go to more pubs in London and you run into these Irish later in the night, they tend to be argumentative Well just look at the Lisbon Treaty, that's probably a genetic thing it has nothing do with drinking They are definitely argumentive So while we're on the topic of the Brits, did you see there by the way if you get a chance my blog posts that are up now which course by time people hear this they'll miss it but check their weekend stuff. So Martha Stewart was banned from going to... Yeah I read that! ...to England because she was busted in the US for that ridiculous insider trading scandal

10:48 I guess she's a threat to society over there, they can't handle her? She's gonna come in there and corrupt the public. Well probably but the law here is that they don't hand out visas to convicted criminals so... They have places crawling with terrorists! That's not really true John just don't tell anyone over here yeah no it they're not convicted terrorists okay They're the terrorists of the non-convicted kind. So that's the deal, if you're a convicted criminal then you are denied entry into the UK and so obviously no one wants to touch that one because if they let Martha Stewart in then okay...so that is an exception to the rule what other exceptions are there? They'll never let her in! No one wants to deal with that shit right now And by the way screw her I don't want he over here either

11:44 Well, she has business interests I believe she needs to take care of. No, I think she wants to start business interests that's the report i read At least you should just get a second citizenship Oh yeah! I'm sure there are some rules about convicted criminals for dual citizenship as well You can always buy one in Canada It is so funny though to see Charles Koppelman who wasn't he a bigwig at Viacom? Charles Koppelman The name rings a bell, I don't remember. So he's now the president of Martha Media or whatever it is called but they're also living together if they are not married so it's kind of funny to see that different statements show up and Charles Koppelman never mentioned as Martha's partner

12:30 making statements. But, you know I understand look of course the woman's not a threat to society no more than what's going on in the city of London right now with these traders who are jacking up the price of oil You know there are some guys that are onto that John Yeah Michael Greenberger is one of them So what i've read over here and for people have not heard previous episodes of No Agenda So the general, well... The general thinking of one of the reasons why the cost of oil has skyrocketed so quickly is that there's still a loophole.

13:06 very similar to the one that Enron used in the energy trading crisis, which ultimately resulted in rolling blackouts in California. But that has not been closed for commodity trading and oil futures And interestingly it turns out there's a huge amount of that going on in London City which is where... It's the financial center of Europe I would say arguably And they've even introduced something called the Balls Clause. Have you heard of this? No, tell me It's kind of like a blocking action so that... because the US is now trying to reach out and say to City of London Hey! You know, you guys gotta have limits on the amount I think it's limits on the amount of commodities your trading and they also have to provide more disclosure as to what their positions are

14:00 And they have all kinds of... because the City of London has its own law, did you know that? It's its own entity. It may not even be a part of England as far I know it. I kid you not! Yeah, I don't know about that part but yeah But yeah, it has its own mayor, it is a square mile, it's its own entity and it has its own tax laws That I think is true Right, but you should mention to people that London... the greater London is one thing. But the city of London is this little bitty piece in the middle Yeah and it's just a square mile And its' a square mile where all the banks are All the financial trading takes place They have their own mayor Their own laws God knows what else

14:43 And so they have their own police uniforms. Yeah, their own police uniforms... I think all of the services fire everything is all separate anyway So they don't want to the US meddling with what they're doing and so they're trying to block that and in fact it was um should look this up The European Union is also on to this Mm-hmm yeah almost everybody's onto it except American press The American press has still been running stories about, well it's because there is a shortage or we're running out of oil and we're wasting it and we need to be more green. Yeah that green thing... It starting bothering me more and more now that I'm looking at what taxes are being written in what examples are being given. Is it all John just boil down this one report by the IPCC whatever those guys are called the International

15:38 Puba Grand Commission of whatever who came out with a report that said you know basically we're burning up the earth. Is it all based on that one report? Is that how all these CO2 taxes, all of sudden came into play while we were asleep apparently? No I think its all based on Al Gore's work Well its part of the same thing! Al Gore was the public version of the IPCC Report Yeah yeah no Gore has been instrumental in creating this panic It was like what's changed, you know? There was a funny report in the Financial Times I think it was yesterday and it was a review of one of Al Gore speeches because he still goes around the world and does these speeches with his famous PowerPoint. Right, flies around in his G5 or... Yeah well, it gets better because... Gets in the Hummer! The Hummer is rolled out at the C-130

16:32 So, but wait a minute. It gets better because you know he has a disclaimer which I guess is pretty normal that you hand or not to disclaim maybe it's just a document that's handed out too uh... I think like a non-disclosure isn't it? Well actually its part of the... now it's really not disclosure He won't let me...I know this for a fact. He won't let the media listen to this stuff But what it says it's part disclosure where he says that, you know... He discloses that he represents several investments in firms in green technology etc. and basically one of those forward-looking statements may not represent etc so it kind of sounds like what is doing is going around saying we're all gonna die but invest in these companies who are trying to keep you alive

17:17 yeah i think there's a requirement uh... for him to do that i think is an nscc requirement because he has interests in all these things he's promoting and their son it was like that it's like those crazy statements you see on the bottom of certain kinds of press releases yeah by just covering his ass basically because he's doing yes here we shall first you know he's got easy making money means that he went into your left public life you know basically worth a couple million dollars now he's worth 130 million or something like that. Really? Yeah, he's really worth a lot but it's not and it's got to be from the speaking engagements its end from the investments is not from the movie the movie didn't make anything No, no, no, the movie was just a promotional tool for his other stuff right I mean basically the movie was a uh... is a uh... would what do you call an advertorial for all practical purposes well it's an outrage

18:14 It's an outrage. I'm outraged! Well, but I'm pissed off you know? I remember when this IPCC report came out...I was there when Al Gore presented the movie for the first time at the Kleiner Perkins CEO retreat in what is it? I'm thinking Pebble Beach whatever it is not Pebble Beach, anyway it doesn't matter. I was there you know and i'm looking at this like okay that's interesting and then I start reading a bit of the controversy about the IPCC report and all of sudden you turn around is like there's tax increases in petrol and everything you can imagine all for this greenhouse so well that happened pretty quick

18:57 Yeah, we go from zero to a hundred. I was too busy building a company! How dumb was I? Imagine the public just running around like chickens with their heads cut off waving their arms about this stuff... But without even really- there's lots of ulterior research but no one ever does anything with it you know and by the way how come people can predict how we're gonna burn up within the next hundred years, I'm obviously just editorializing for effect. I know where you're going with this line. I was hoping to use this line myself. Well here it comes! They can't even predict the fucking weather for tomorrow! Exactly. That's what i want to know. They can't predict their weather for tomorrow? Neither can I by the way. I can do six hours...I can see some systems where you can reasonably predict when and where it's gonna hit but

19:46 10 years, 20 years out? No way! And I'm just talking wind. I'm not even talking temperature Well the other problem that we've noticed is that anyone who comes up with any counter argument whatsoever no matter how Yeah, they're demonized. They're shouted down! It's amazing. In fact I get the biggest kick out of it. I think it's hilarious because the public... We post a lot of stuff on the blog about this we have both sides of it because you know we have an interesting well-rounded group of bloggers but the funny thing is that it always gets a bunch of comments because people are coming in and out of the woodwork thinking its a scam

20:28 And then the other one saying well, you know Then you have the true believers and you have these two guys shouting at each other but to tell you the truth I think the public is pretty much split down the middle on this and they probably more on the side of a skeptic Being skeptics than then being true believers. I think that's actually a minority. I think it certainly warrants a little bit more investigation or just a little bit more because there is no There are some obvious questions And before we just continue with all of this taxation and there's so much tax that every Everything you do, you know is there's a co2 tax on it. I'm like I can't be right

21:05 CO2 tax, I love it. Isn't that true? That's what it always boils down to, CO2 tax. Oh okay. Don't forget your carbon footprint! Yeah that's my favorite one. Why did that show up in a nomenclature?! Here is how that happened...I know what happened there What happened was first the carbon credits came into play Right? So you could buy carb- offset your carbon usage. So to offset your carbon usage, of course, you had have a calculator and there's a million of these on the internet that they all give you different answers by the way that calculates your carbon usage i.e., your carbon footprint I think that's the genealogy there Yeah yeah that's a beauty

21:50 I don't want to seem skeptical. As you remember during the VCR days, there used to be this thing called VCR Plus. Oh yeah! In the newspaper you'd have a little scanner or code... It was in the newspaper. A little code because they figured that people were too stupid to program their VCRs which was not a bad thought and they decided to come up with these coded numbers that you could just see it in the newspaper then punch into your VCR and it would record that show

22:35 because people were too dumb to put in the time, date and channel. So this thing became like a licensed system on all these VCRs every VCR started to get them and it was called VCR Plus And then the newspapers all ran the numbers and it was amazing to me so I finally tracked down the woman It was a woman who dreamed this whole concept up, who's a marketing person. And I had a long chat with her because I admired basically just the compliment for pulling off the stunt like that cause to me it was like wow! How do you make that work? Cause that's a lot of work. Yeah and it rolled out internationally man there were all over the world they had that thing going

23:18 Yeah, of course it you know once somebody you know I mean i don't know what... It just died. I think out with the licensing fees right actually would like to get a hold over again to find out what she thinks happened that that they would kill it completely is gone. I think what happened is there were too many channels too many cable and satellite channels coming on board and there was no effective way to get the information? You know could be and the whole thing was that it was a formula you know as the channel personality i think anyway i think is also because i think addition network in the re-ended and direct tv they'll have different channel numbers at numbers probably wouldn't work so what's the best so how does that relate to uh...

23:57 Well, that's what I think. That's where I think the same kind of thing with carbon credits carbon footprints This is all a marketing scheme because you know this this gore as part of a carbon trading Company that you know trades your carbon credits for some how I don't even how it works But to what it relates to is the fact that you can manage a world Worldwide marketing effort with something that's just made out of thin air. Well, I don't think it's management anymore I think you know these guys probably went holy crap Look what just happened? Of course You know they may not have look first of all I got to believe Al Gore actually believes what he's selling

24:33 and he looks like it. He looks like he believes what is selling it, so that's fine." And maybe true... Well no thats good! You should believe.. yeah you have to be a true believer in yourself obviously I'm not saying that I am not concerned, Im saying that I'm not too sure and I don't see conclusive evidence and I see a lot of other noise that I'd like investigate okay So he believes in it but this took off its almost like self-fulfilling prophecy in a way well you know I dont think so let back up a minute When he was running for president in 2000, and even when he was vice-president under Clinton. I think he wrote some book when he was the vice president just before... This would be almost 20 years ago He had started on this road

25:21 With this I got it somebody can find out we can look it up on the net But did this early book that he wrote was pretty much all whack job stuff. I remember Critiques of it back then about this guy's crazy you write any review of any of his books maybe in one of your columns No, you know I just remember it was to with this stuff It was really old early book that was that he did and when he was a fight with or when he was running for vice president initially which would be one ninety what was that ninety four yes i have to think about it but anyway whatever the case is uh... balance it goes back ecology and human spirit but there are two cases it's not like you happened overnight and um... so i'm i'm thinking nineteen ninety two of them birth in nineteen ninety-two

26:10 Well, there you have it. I mean that's a ways back. So that might be the one? Yeah 15-16 years ago so it's not like this happened overnight this is a long term strategy was very carefully orchestrated which is the way all good marketing schemes work they don't you know they always look like...I mean its like the overnight success you know some actor actresses yeah you find out they've been doing this for 25 years No, you're absolutely right. But anyway I think what they tried for a while is they tried to set up some... They tried to make the carbon unit into like a tradable commodity it felt like so that you could trade your carbon. First the government started that! You could trade your carbon credits well we'll produce less carbon this year and China will sell that to you for X Y & Z and i think they try

27:04 to bring that into trading systems and maybe that's even done today, I don't know. I think there is a trading system out there but the fact of the matter is if you think about it from some logical perspective there's really nothing to trade. I mean it's just all air! It's literally air! There isn't... literally. If somebody looked at this from a distance they would say how silly is this? You're trading air. Yeah. I mean it's like crazy Well, no crazier than the taxes that are being put on us based on it. No, the whole thing is nuts! Like I've said you know people if they turn out... You know I still am dubious about the green thing when i sit over here on top of a hill

27:52 Overlooking San Francisco and I see every night that city's lit up like a Roman candle thinking You know how serious are we about this if we're in that much trouble turn off the lights in San Francisco darken the place Well, just turn them off to turn off the entire City of San Francisco and Los Angeles and Kansas City And New York and I guarantee they were be saving a lot of carbon. Oh Yeah, there's a lot of ways. Are we serious about this or are we just joking? Is this just a joke? I don't know man...I'll tell you one thing We invaded Iraq

28:32 I'm sure you saw, I'm sure you blogged or one of your guys blogged it that now all the big oil companies are now finally after 30 years they're allowed to do business with Iraq and they're allowed to set up oil fields. Yeah! No shit! Oh boy isn't that great? Wow isn't that fantastic we installed a democratic government and now we can do contracts finally so they're all doing these deals their chopping it up exactly the way the plans always show have been available on the internet for years and the prices are still high, go figure. Well the prices are high because of these traders in London and Dubai Yes exactly And you know what? Even the European Commission who I guess is kind of boss when it comes to this said we should look at that because that's not right We should have a report done by October 2008 A report

29:28 Yeah, which will then be discussed. It's like we're going to discuss the report in November? We need action now! And then the Irish will vote against it. You know since you brought it up of course that is the hottest topic in Europe is the Lisbon Treaty and I've been thinking about this the whole idea of a referendum, which is interesting and I've been looking into it and in America certainly some states California most notably have a lot of different ways that you can call up a public referendum. Which is known as direct democracy but that's kind of interesting when these days text voting for your favorite American idol or X Factor kicking someone out at the Big Brother house then its interesting solution

30:22 to changing things. Yeah, no in California you can put a petition together and then get just about anything you want put on the ballot. It's like a proposition is that what it's called then? Yeah well that's the way it ends up but I think have to think about I think it as a referendum or something like that I don't think we take advantage of probably the multitude of possibilities that a referendum offers. Oh, they... believe me in California they take advantage of all it. The number petitioners you gotta get is pretty high which is the problem but they're trying everything and then they had anti-gay marriage, they had Proposition 104 some years ago when they froze all property taxes and that's still in play

31:05 And there's a whole bunch of stuff. Most of the stuff gets voted down, but usually ten or twelve. Why do you think most of it gets voted down? Well because some...it tends to be confused. Most of this stuff gets voted down because it's always written in a confusing language so that California is our...we see these things so much these propositions that we're always skeptical about being tricked Which is exactly the problem, this is interesting. That's exactly what like 40% of the Irish said. Said I voted no because it felt like I was getting tricked because it was too complicated How interesting is that? Yeah, well that's one of the problems you have with these things. They have to be simplified and they have to make sense and then they have a bunch people on board then you have to worry about people who are against them because their vested interest so they'll run TV ads that will try to make you think your being tricked or they will tell you do one thing hope that you do another it gets pretty

32:02 it's gets pretty intense a ninety percent of the time that you just vote no in the deal people go back to the drawing board some of these things keep coming back over and over and over again Interesting. Well, I found out that in the Lisbon Treaty there's actually something called the European Citizens Initiative and it was one of the differences between the original constitution of Europe which got voted down by the French and Dutch and has turned into the Lisbon Treaty is there is a method... And of course the language is so fricking ambiguous that I think thats where they fucked up If you have a million signatures, and of course it doesn't specify if that's written signatures or electronic signatures etc. You have a million of them from enough significant member states which is not defined then you can put legislation before the European Commission

32:56 who then can ultimately, no you can invite the European Commission to put a legislative move towards European Parliament where a vote would be taken. Which I think is pretty good move except for the whole invited bit it's like it shouldn't be an invite it should be mandatory but it's an interesting move just in... Yeah, you're right. It sounds pretty wimpy for one thing a million signatures has got to be a problem No I think that is easy! I think that is really easy Well yeah if was electronic it would be but what if people actually have to sign things and then check? One of the thing they do here is they actually go over there has to be signed things and then you have to make sure... But look John Here where I've got him The Eurovision Song Contest which

33:45 European Union initiative has been since the inception of the European Union in I think 1950 is done by SMS text voting. So if it's legal enough for the Eurovision Song Contest, then surely it's legal enough for the Lisbon Treaty? I don't know about...I mean what's legal about the song contest? It's just you know it's just a TV entertainment show It's not like anyone is legally binding or anything that you can trust. It's a huge economic impulse if you win the contest, it's like the Olympics and the contest is in your country next year I mean its all bullshit! And I'm not defending the Eurovision Song Contest I am just saying that... I think there is an argument to be made... Let say they allow... Text voting The EU would fall apart If they allowed text messaging petitions

34:36 Because people would be petitioning him for everything because you could get by yeah, you could probably if you get on television for 10 minutes You can probably you know initiate something. Yeah, I'm liking that John That's my point. I'm liking that that sounds like a good idea of course did it have nothing but 100 petitions a month Yeah, you're right. It's probably pretty funny it would be great but that's not yeah well remember you have to do it from significant number of member states so that may mean the mean you know doesn't mean 10 does I mean all of them what if he means only one person from each one? I mean can you have like a million or nine hundred ninety-nine thousand from you know one country and then it'd be like ten from here and ten from there and ten from here and ten from there that would be all

35:21 There's one proposal that is out there for what they call the fundamentals, it would have to be from a minimum of four member states. Which probably means four different languages, four different campaigns not trivial you know? You do have to put some effort behind it to get it done but I think it should be possible It'll be kind of interesting. There's a lot of people doing it already, you know they're treating it as law already and putting together all kinds of campaigns for trying to get their million signatures I think your overlooking something You're overlooking the fact that the EU is created to repurpose Europe as a fascist state not so they can be pushed around by the public

36:11 You know, I posed that exact language to a minister of European Parliament earlier this week and said a colleague of mine in the United States says it sounded like a fascist state takeover. And his literal answer was... I wouldn't want to go THAT far! Which i thought was pretty funny. I'm like okay But it's I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at both sides of this and it's to me It's just absolutely fascinating and discovering that I'm a closet politics junkie It's particularly these days where you can download anything read any any Parliament member or Commission's member speeches voting records? You know, it's fascinating to look at this stuff Yeah well when your in the gulag

37:00 Hopefully, we'll have a connection. We can still do this show Let me just mention one more thing and I'll get off of the topic This is kind of funny so after Ireland voted no in the referendum obviously politically just to keep the vibe alive Gordon Browne the Prime Minister of The UK had to get this thing ratified in the House of Parliament, you know, in order to save any kind of face. Of course it being in close proximity to Ireland etc So they ramrodded this through The Queen signed her... put her signature on it which means now as Royal Assent And they're acting like it's all been ratified, but it hasn't because there is this guy. He calls himself a Euro-skeptic. Stuart Wheeler you gotta look this guy up he's 72 he was at one point very wealthy from business that he had done But he is suing the government. He's suing Gordon Brown and the government over the fact that they promised to hold a referendum on The constitutional document of the European Union

38:02 And the court actually wrote a letter to the parliament and said, you know, it... You don't really think. I'm paraphrasing but really strong language like please don't really think that you're just going to ratify this treaty without the courts decision whether it's legal or not to have done this without a referendum and that I think is highly interesting and I'm really liking this Stuart Wheeler guy for doing that He's my hero And he's like, 72. He was like fuck it I'm just gonna sue these guys and everyone is pooh-poohing it but wow wouldn't that be a freak out if the court said you know what? It's illegal you have to do referendum in the UK. What did you think would happen

38:45 Well, I think it would be voted down immediately in current status near this look what it boils down to is exactly what you said Everyone's skeptic everybody loves Europe everyone in Europe is into the whole thing. We like working with each other we like playing soccer against each other football if you will We like going each others countries and doing business and all that stuff is great And we see all the benefits But we don't trust these fuckers You know it's a It's a bunch of legal speak, no one understands what it is about. Everyone is running around there are thousands of these guys they sit in Brussels they sit in Strasbourg you know its like we didn't elect them You know it's distrustful so there's somehow someone has to figure out how to turn all that skepticism into a positive pro-Europe positioning or feeling I guess How about this as something not quite getting

39:37 You know, they've already taken down that throughout Europe you can travel from one country to another pretty effortlessly. There's no more of those border guards... Well excuse me, except for the countries who have a protocol so the United Kingdom had a specific protocol when they joined which is another thing that pisses me off and they said yeah we'll participate in Europe but none of that let everyone travel around shit We only let people in that we want to let in Well I don't blame them for that But anyway generally speaking once you get to the continent You can freely go from country to country to country without, you know the kind until you get out of the EU. Yeah no passport control yeah you don't need a passport you don't need that you know there are not stopped at every border on the on the train with some guy coming in looking at everything and your papers please you know and then you know stamping your passport left and right And you could use the same money everywhere another handy thing is... And then money's been normalized pretty much

40:33 uh... and so in their trade agreements are really in place what what would what's wrong with just stopping where you are right now it is going to lead as opposed to adding me know but this bureaucratic overhead i don't not getting why all of the city has to be passed a time when most of the i can give you the answer Good. Because that question has been posed directly and here's the answer that Barroso, the current president gives he says it's for immigration policy so who do we let inside the borders of the EU because now you have a whole bunch of entry points It's about terrorism and safety there ya go big hit words So how to protect the EU from terrorism? And its about financial stability

41:19 which is of course the central banking and where a lot of the distrust is right now. So it's for those, oh and of course the universal human rights And that's what it is about. It is about those main things. So let us go over these issues, so right now anyone who wants to come into the EU as a free pass? Is that what they are saying they are worried about? I mean right now if I am a terrorist coming out of Pakistan lets say from an Al Qaeda camp...I can go move right now into Hamburg just effortlessly? No, I think what they're saying

41:54 There are inconsistencies. Every country has its own policy, its own security and anti-terrorism measures they want to harmonize all of that so everyone's working off the same playbook So yes I think you can easily enter one country or... Look dude! I can fly from almost anywhere and land almost anywhere and get in okay? It is kind of academic anyway but You think you could fly in from Pakistan Yeah, I think these things are... Look it's not hard to get into any country unless you're going through the main airport. It's gonna be a little more complicated but that's really what it's about. It's about harmonization

42:33 each country having you know it's all about databases to john and so i'll about sharing the information which is a huge point no one wants me other government to share near their prepare personal data of their citizens with other countries yet in your list they really understand what's being done with that that's what it is not it's all about uh... in a way than uh... locking down the global borders of europe that is certainly one of it and i can see where if you want to have that kind of uniform protection, you've got to have...you've got to set it up. And its gotta be legal. So I wonder if Martha Stewart can get into Paris? Well I'm sure that she will. Who's the member of the photographer was there the filmmaker who married a 13 year old what was his name? The American

43:23 uh... roman polanski yeah by the way i would recommend before you can talk about roman polanski anybody out there to find a copy of the documentary that had just been finished about this case I saw that. I heard you talking about that somewhere, was it on twit again? No i don't think so. Yes the technology show yes whatever the case is I would recommend people watch this before they make any comment because it turns out to be a little more interesting story than we're led to believe Yeah. Anyway, but the point you yeah but he wasn't you know is it so the answer is yes I think it's easier to get into one country depending on ya I think Martha Stewart could probably get into Amsterdam no problem she could jump in the back of my plane I'd land that bitch right here No problem She couldn't jump in the back your plane because you're taking off from England? No! I would be in Amsterdam Oh and then okay then go over there and so you can fly her in if you absolutely absolutely not a problem

44:27 So maybe that's what she should have done. She should have gotten her, she should've just gone to France instead of England directly got on a tunnel No no because remember England has their own protocol they get to deny whoever they want Okay but she could fly in on your plane Yeah it would be illegal but you could get in thats my point Oh okay It would not be a legal process So you, when you fly into England on that little plane of yours. You don't check in to anything? You just fly in like Adam Curry coming and landing and then you land and that's it I'm glad you asked no but you have two as One of the only fact the only country in the Union you have to fill out what's known as a gen deck a general declaration And you have to send that in 24 hours before The actual

45:17 flight takes place, the inbound flight takes place. Now you can land at a number of airports where they have passport control so if it's 10 minutes from where I usually land is Biggin Hill you land there and show your passport then you can go wherever you want to take off again fly anywhere you want in the UK So if you have field that doesn't have passport facilities like Fair Oaks, where what I use the one that i use you fill out the general declaration you send it off. The tower faxes it to the authorities but dude you know its like yeah not like they're there by the way they are their often to check but certainly not every single time and on a Friday or Saturday yet they're almost always there because thats when everyone's going off to France and coming back in forth and they're checking all kinds of things uh... during the week now I've never had anyone checked on me

46:05 So Martha should get a hold of you. No, absolutely not! I think really the financial one is the main one it's all about the European Central Bank It's all about the numbers keeping inflation in check The GDP numbers in check, they're all set targets. They've been that way for many many years so that all the EU countries are trying to keep their economies balanced and that's what it is about and its not a bad thing. Yeah no its not a bad thing except for the fact I don't think the Germans should be telling the French how to make cheese

46:49 So let's back, go back to this Martha Stewart thing. That has nothing to do with cheese! It does and when it boils down I guarantee cheese is gonna be involved so let's get back in the Martha Stewart thing. I don't care about Martha Stewart How did this come up in the news anyway? Why didn't Martha just fly to France without making a big, you don't need a visa. I mean i can fly to England and get on a plane tomorrow and boom im in London and that's the way they stamp the thing when you walk in and thats it. Well Im sorry but... She goes to France And she's there floating around for a few days and then she gets on the tunnel, and she goes to England. She comes in they see her and they say oh yeah Maria boom they stand I mean it seems to me that somewhere along the line she announced she was coming and some bureaucrat picked up on it and then put her onto no entry list

47:38 I mean, she didn't have one. She was bumping against the border It wasn't happen when she's trying to get into it is that it happened before she even tried to fly That's very interesting. No, that's very interesting well. It sounds like she tried to acquire a visa Why you don't need a visa? Well now hold on a second there There is a lot of shit going on with the visas right now because the u.s.. There is a visa issue there is In the visa issue, I'm not quite sure what it is but the US now has-is demanding that anyone who comes into the U.S. has to have um... and a passport, you know, new machine readable passport. And what they're saying now is or the request is what I've seen at the European Union level is they want all European Union countries to reciprocate and that's when the visa issue goes away but there is a visa issue in some cases but you're right

48:33 But I would say you're probably right. Why the hell is she raising the visa issue before she even flew? Because typically, you wouldn't even think of it if you just get on a plane and go, right? Yeah! There's something fishy about this story now that I think about it... Oh, I know how it would happen So here's what happens. She books a plane ticket, right? The airlines are obliged now I'm sure you know this to send all passenger data to the United States prior to the flight Right This is the... yeah in fact i've written about this on the blog and they've actually added some new provisos We're essentially very similar to the way it was in the Soviet Union where there's risk You can't get out of the country without permission Yeah

49:16 It's almost you know to the exit kind of situation. We have exit restrictions now in fact there are two articles on the blog that ran this on Saturday or Sunday Let me read you they just the headline dude we are so living in a science fiction movie Well, I mean it's just the Soviet Union is it was the same way people can you just get used to it? Starting today you may not travel around the country as an anonymous American anymore Americans who prefer to fly without showing ID will be turned away by airport security beginning June 21st. Blah blah blah, new policy blah blah blah and then we get the Martha thing which...

50:04 is a exit control, yeah. You know what they're doing? I'm sorry do you have an article to read? Well no i'm just saying Martha Stewart's thing was I claim it as this version of exit control which is what you had in the Soviet Union that's why people couldn't get out of the country and also all the fascist countries had exit controls which I suspect will eventually happen with the EU where you can't leave the EU oh well you can go through the EU but you won't be able to leave it without having the right papers. You'll love this one, John So this is from the Surrey Times Okay? So Surrey is the... What do you call it? Is a part of England where we live A mobile device that can be used to check the identity of suspects stopped by police is set to be tested in Surrey Police officers across the country will be using hand-held fingerprinting units as part of national pilot scheme known as Lantern so what's thing is

51:03 is that you can get, you'll get stopped on the street or a traffic stop or whatever. It's an electronic fingerprint reader and of course the article misses the whole point they say well so now all of sudden your fingerprint will be taken then you'll be scanned then if you're wanted for anything than yeah they nabbed you but of course the point is and I even say it here hold on I should read this The mobile fingerprinting units work by electronically scanning a fingerprint which is sent using encrypted wireless transmissions to a database. From there, fingerprints can be cross-matched against the 7 and half million prints held on file." So the thing that they neglect to point out here is of course that your fingerprint has just been scanned and it's on file

51:47 Yeah, right. So make sure you can get everybody's fingerprints in the system But that's like science fiction dude I'm surprised they're not taking the DNA from people as they walk by You know they can just stick a thing into your mouth That happens all over the place too Baby's DNA is being taken We already talked about this weeks ago Newborn baby's DNA first thing it has done is put them into a database It has been happening for decades Yeah, yeah. Well you know this is just part of the whole... I don't know what the point is to be honest about it. I mean control issues obviously are part of it and I mean its like exit controls and who you just want people roaming around but uh... I don't see what it's how beneficial to the economy or anything doesn't there some other thing going on here? well isn't that okay so the conspiracy theorist in me says well of course it's to keep your afraid and keep you

52:47 Diligent well, maybe it's just also to keep you voting for the right party. You know I've always believed that half of these things these All the surveillance stuff is essentially to, I mean what it always boils down to is not for anything other than control. So you have a, you know, you can see who your political enemies are. It'd be very easy to do if you can... Now they have this new thing that just passed which is that the US government was requiring all of credit card companies to turn over all the data in other words all the purchases you make because this will drive people back into cash

53:24 which is probably better anyway. Anyway, we blogged this one too and now I think about it but I'm getting pretty depressed here. You sound like my wife she's like would you please stop with that? I don't want to hear about it anymore! Stop stop stop! She was like... I don't want to be afraid of the future And you know the funny thing is as I remember I was at a direct marketing conference once and they had at the time Federal Express He made the comment, he says you know we have all this data. We can pretty much put a dossier together on anybody and then tell you who they're sleeping with if they have an affair going on because the data is just such that you can do with data mining technology, you can figure out what people are up to. And this is Federal Express who said this?

54:11 Yeah, the guy at Federal Express said this is about we don't do it. No right no God I'd hate to do that But he says it's very said it be very easy to do if you wanted to I mean they do Certain kinds of profiling and I've mentioned this before I think on this show which is they? Profile your expending And there's always amazing to me because when I tried like all of a sudden I'll show up in Korea and you know under the computer sees what was this is interesting and then starts to track me And so when I was in Korea this last time, So they froze it and then they opened the account shortly thereafter. But they're always worried, you know they look for certain patterns that they think are suspicious and I've challenged people to do this and people have written me back saying that they'd done it and it does work and its the following process You take your American Express card And then you go buy two tanks of gas in a row With two separate

55:10 purchases by two separate purchases right in a row one then another and then you go to a Locker or footlocker someplace and buy a pair of Nikes And an iPod your car or that would probably do it too. It doesn't take much but then your card is death is frozen right there, and they've been the guy from Federal Express actually he's the one who told this group about this particular process and And he says it's, you know what it is that as soon as somebody steals a card like especially a kid the first thing they do is fill up their tank and then they fill up their buddies' tanks. Their friends', yeah of course. Then they go buy tennis shoes. He says this is standard pattern.

55:50 So people have actually done this and well, I mean look at your I'm sure you have a Costco card or something like that You know They're totally giving you the biggest discounts on buying stuff that you know That you want and they're totally locking you in those guys. Have more date on you than Federal Express Well, at Costco you have to use a credit card generally. I mean you do because... No but i'm talking about the incentive cards, the membership cards stuff that you get special discounts if you present your card? Oh yeah well there are..I think here's the point If the US government now is requiring all these card companies to give them all their data well you've got a powerful way of profiling anybody You can tell what party they're voting for, you can tell what stock they're buying

56:38 what they're up to and then you can use it for crowd control. So surely our credit card companies are denying this request? Oh no, they're in... all over it there's no problem. They gonna hand it over really?! Yeah well the government wants that you do it! This is like the latest thing just a house of Democrats or spineless Democrats have passed the bill that says that... The FISA Bill The bill that says the telephone companies can give up all this data, that they were legally required not to give up through various privacy laws that were passed specifically aimed at the telephone companies. And so they've been given a free ride... No, they won't be prosecuted from the United Nations. But how did that happen? I don't understand how it happened and i see some severe disappointment amongst Obama supporters because what I understand is he in effect endorsed it and said yeah go ahead!

57:33 Yeah, he signed off on it. It's fine with him. How about Ron Paul? Tell me he signed against it Oh of course he did! We don't even have to ask do we But how outrageous is that?! This was a huge debate this was...we've got them you know we've got them by the balls and what happened how did that flip Yeah, probably because of people having these dossiers. I mean this is the reason that the government tries to get as much information they probably have you know the goods on everybody You know if once you get this all those data especially credit card data you can you know intimidate anyone So any it's just this is this Visa MasterCard American Express discover? I mean all these guys are turning over our credit card data to the government That's a fact well. I don't think I don't know that They've started yet but at the

58:18 There was, this has been passed. A law? It's a law Yeah well let me find it, it was on the blog I don't know if I blogged it to be honest but I might have That's an outrage The trouble is the blog is getting to be kind of nutty But the world is going nutty John that what happening Yeah there's the domestic spying one What is happening? And then here's the danger, you know. So I'm one of these schmucks who smokes a couple joints and go to YouTube and Google video... Talk about it! ...and start watching these videos about how it's the evil banking families who are taking control of us and we're all going to be essentially living in the matrix. We're enslaved to our homes and cars and jobs

59:10 Is it really true or is that just all perception? Well, I mean i think its going...Its a trend. I don't think its true at all so im not sitting here sweating you know oh god now what next Yeah but imagine your were going through half a billion people in Europe Imagine your are going through those feelings and then all of the sudden theres this language that shows up and these documents like fuck no That doesn't sound right. Well, that's why they got to take the public out of the picture. How do you do that? They're doing it! The EU is showing how to do it. They are leading the way I mean except for this little thing that happened in Ireland...the EU was showing us how to do it

59:59 you know, you just put in a bunch of people not elected like you said. Here it is... It ran on June 19th Senate Housing Bill Rider requires tracking oh yeah this was slipped into another bill by Christopher Dodd bill uh... senate housing bill requires eBay Amazon Google and all credit card companies to report transactions to the government Oh my God! This is an unreported, I ran this under unreported news. Nobody's really talking about this hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd 630 page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of all America small businesses The provision which was added by the bill's managers without debate

1:00:41 Of course. Would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government by the way they're all electronic transactions now My God, this is fantastic. that are used by many small line businesses. The privacy implications are breathtaking. So wait a minute... Meanwhile, of course nobody's writing about this! Now was this- This was part of what bill specifically? The 630 page Senate housing legislation Christopher Dodd's big bill Oh man so that's even separate from FISA Yeah yeah this is another thing

1:01:41 But this again was not, you know the general media didn't... It wasn't even debated on the floor! No this is a you can find us at freedomworks.org I mean and there's a link to the bill by the way itself at freedomworks.org and i got this by the way off of Twitter One of my Twitterers sent me this link and I'm just reading it the same way you did, was shocked. And in fact as soon as I said it back he says is this bullshit? You know? That's one typical John C. Dvorak response through email but this was on Twitter Did you say bullshit on twitter? I said BS Okay Good man But anyway its on June 19th Here do I see it Im looking at right now This is cool freedomworks.org I haven't seen this site before Its a good site

1:02:27 Wow. So has this been passed? No, I'm sure it'll be passed. Well there may be time to stop it. Hmm seems unlikely If they can't stop that other thing, that Obama signed off on how are they going to stop this? Where's the outrage over that. I mean... That just doesn't make any sense! I don't understand And this is the thing that freaks me out Whenever there is language like well you know of course under certain circumstances for national security against terrorism I just don't want to be safe. You know what? I'll just live dangerously. I'll take my chances. You gotta be careful, you know...you're already asking for trouble What do you mean? Well, a friend of mine who lives in Cornwall can't get into the United States anymore because he was a musician who was arrested for smoking pot in the 80's or 70's

1:03:29 and he can't get into the country now. John, let me tell you something people like me they snuff them out in a huge public way They don't pester them with little shit like that because it'll only fuel more... I'l become a martyr! They dont want that. A martyr? I finally get my 52 virgins No man they dont want that But, you know what? I don't... Well you haven't been arrested for anything anyway. No i haven't but let me say John, I really just don't care When's the day they're gonna stop people from coming into the country who have parking tickets It's gonna happen! it's gonna happen Or they make you pay the parking ticket before you can enter Dude dude that happens in Holland already That happened to me 20 years ago You show up at the Dutch border This is pre all this Europe stuff

1:04:17 And they literally made me pay parking fines on the spot before they let me in the country. Wow! Yeah, that's a while ago Well, I can get back to that any minute. That's a good way to collect parking ticks You know what they've done here in the United States which is really interesting is they've privatized all these parking you know like in San Francisco It's not run by the city it's run by a company and so they're not accountable to anybody Dude this is happening all over the world now In Amsterdam you can park paying with your GSM phone So, you park in a spot. You go to the little meter thingy it gives you code. You SMS some code and then it's paid for Of course handily they know exactly where you were at what moment and how long And of course that data is safe just like your credit card data I mean yeah I can see the convenience but that happens They shouldn't be charging for parking anyway

1:05:22 I think the parking thing is that, you know, parking was never meant to be a profit center. It was meant to keep traffic moving so you'd have like in France they had the blue disc and all these things where you just, you know... They say if you make an agreement, you would be out of there in an hour or so and then somebody else... Yeah it's like a shared resource Yeah, but now it's like in San Francisco especially around the Mevio offices. It's so funny because the meters which by the way they're all empty I have photos of this nobody is parking there they park a mile away because you can't park there it's 25 cents for five minutes Five minutes? The meters right out front of the office are twenty-five cents for five minutes and all around there's twenty-five cents for five minutes By the time you load up to have like fifteen hundred... You've already blown the first 5 minutes

1:06:08 And I don't even see, and if people actually use these parking spots these meter boxes would be so full of quarters so quickly that they would be clogged and you wouldn't be able to use them at all. The whole thing is a joke! So do they process the fines? Is that how it works? They collect the fine money as well? It's 50 bucks by the way. And they collect that? These commercial companies? Yeah You're kidding me...So its not like a city thing its actually a commercial company thing Yeah, and that's why the prices have been jacked up to an extreme. And the fines are extremely high because you can't really fight it You could go through the court system because there is a way to protest but nobody can... this is not going to happen. You might as well just forget it. John... You're smart guy who I have in high regard So obviously we get the government we deserve so what do we need to change that?

1:07:01 Well, the first thing you can do is stop voting in guys like Gavin Newsom who's obviously behind this thing. I mean these mayors of these do-good Democrats and these phony baloney Republicans on both parties are full of crap They're obviously in bed with each other they wouldn't have passed that thing where Obama's in on it And, you know it's just ridiculous. We gotta find alternative people who aren't crazy and the problem is if you look at who runs the political spectrum like in San Francisco You have these nut jobs running against two or three people who have some creds, and the guys with the creds are the ones that put these 25 cents for five minute parking meters in. I mean you can't win, I think it's hopeless actually. Oh no! No, we've got kids man they gotta grow up in some kind of society that is better There are little towns around the country that are okay In fact there are places where there's no parking meters So your promoting separatism? Just get out of these places

1:08:00 Yeah, they want to exploit the public that way screw them. I don't do business there I mean, I don't see why anybody does business in San Francisco with these You can't even park to visit one of these companies in that area where there's the 25 cents for five minutes? I mean you if you had to do business There there's no way without spending like $20 for parking or 10 depending If there's a baseball game it goes to 40 You can't do business there because you can't park. Yeah, but that's easy to say. And public transportation is a joke and especially in San Francisco I mean the whole thing is ridiculous so no wonder nobody wants to do business in San Francisco. But people still do business! That's where money is made it's with every metropolis if you want to make a living you gotta go there. We have to fight it we have to get out of these cities that are onerous like this and do business elsewhere. You could do plenty good business outside of San Francisco

1:08:54 Hmm, I don't know. You know it's hard to get people It's hard to get staff you know the location of the media offices was certainly determined by what type of people what type of personnel we wanted to attract? And he could have moved Alameda for that matter because half the people that work at me view live in Alameda or in The East Bay Interesting yeah, I guess we could have And Alameda's amenable, they got a bunch of this where MySQL guys are in Alameda. There's a whole bunch of companies in Alameda and they don't have these onerous parking meters and all the rest of it. I'm surprised they keep wanting to charge five bucks to get across that bridge is unbelievable. San Francisco is not a business friendly city people should reject using it as such

1:09:49 I was looking at a little more meta level in San Francisco, obviously when i'm asking that type of question. You know there's even restaurants in that area south of Market, in fact the one place we like to go which is Fringal Yeah The French Place? Yeah if you go there for lunch the meter mates are flying around they're trying to get ya To get ya! Seriously It's becoming game They're trying to get ya Damn them How'd they get me So that's it, that's our recourse huh? We gotta vote better people in. Yeah there is no recourse the recourse is rejection. Well we're not doing a very good job with a lot of things happening right now when it comes to rejection No I think the public has been cowed they've just been so beaten That they just don't care But that's sad! I feel really bad about that

1:10:46 Well, I mean i just think it's a fact. Yeah that's why you know...I think its been going on for awhile Of course its been going on for awhile and television and the whole Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, you know distraction culture is rampant and everyone loves that because let everyone be occupied with all that stuff meanwhile your paying 25 cents for five minutes of parking Right! In a meter that you have to use I don't know what the deal is with these meters. It's ridiculous, I mean... Well this does come back to what we talked about at the very end of last week show where you said that no offence- it didn't even say no offense You just offended me outright and just said look you don't matter. You know? In all honesty- Didn't mean too! You said you didn't matter either which was heartening to some extent

1:11:37 But still, I got a lot of response from people on that. And they said it does matter because you guys, you and I John we open peoples eyes to other stuff and they do become aware but it just seems like there's no action It's a lot of posting We're posting alot! You know? How about some real...and by the way I'm the biggest perpetrator of that cause I am not doing anything. I'm just sitting here complaining and observing Yeah, no. That's the two of us. I mean, I think we serve a useful purpose for the system because the system needs to blow off steam so it keeps people that they think at least something... At least people are complaining and these people are noticing him which is part of a really idealistic version of kind of a fascist

1:12:17 system as opposed to the old Soviet style where if you were a protester, or somebody says something bad against people for example. You know you end up in jail! So it turns out this is better, this works better. People get the blow off steam they don't change jack shit but at least they feel better about it because they complained for little while yeah and but the joke of it of course we still have more prisoners than they have in Russia but in Russia there's no better thing than say anything yes and 70% are black of the 10 percent of the population that's incarcerated. Hmm yeah well it just gets, the latinos are trying to catch up the ones that are coming in from Mexico It's a race so uh but the point is is that uh So it's true then look I'm just trying to round this off Yeah It's true we're all truly fucked That's it You need you know The system needs

1:13:09 Guys like us yeah, but how can guys like us change something can we motivate anyone to do something? No Let alone save the world Yeah right we get no money from the know agenda show and we can't Get it you know I want my one the hopeless last night. They had a raffle and Iran a won a three-day Disneyland Paris trip for a family of four including Eurostar rail transportation. Oh really? Yeah and Patricia and I were like, you know we have some other plans and i think we can't really take a whole bunch of vacations because stuff is busy at MeVeo etc... And so I said why don't give it away on no agenda and she said well that won't work for anyone unless they live in the UK

1:14:04 I was actually thinking about giving that away and trying to... Well, you know it's probably there are also different kinds of laws about giving stuff away. You know but if you want to give it to somebody say I can bring my kids over there we all go with them. We can do it. I'm gonna give it to you! Why not? Because you don't make a difference in the world. I want to give it to someone who is really making a difference, not just the hot CO2 your emitting my friend Well then maybe we should create a gifting We should find somebody that's worthy and then give it to them That's a good idea, I betcha that would make alot of money

1:14:41 It would be like, I don't know about that. But it would be like the Nobel Prize. Okay sure! The Nobel Prize nice Oh my god. There was a documentary here on Friday, speaking of Nobel Prize about Bill Gates So I guess Bill is really on his final farewell tour at least that's the way it's being he was over here He met with Gordon Brown You know everyone saying this is his big farewell His swan song and now he's going full-time into the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Yeah, he's working for Warren Buffett now

1:15:18 Yeah, exactly. And the commentary from I believe John Battelle because they interviewed two people, Battelle which by the way I didn't find to be the best 2 people to interview on the subject of Bill Gates, Battelle and some other journalist who have seen on the net with an R can't remember his name it might pop up uh... and according to the tell all the bill gates wants is a nobel peace prize that's what it's all about he'll do anything to get the notice i think that they like this very as interested in isn't it yeah could happen now it could happen when i will make you give it to somebody who has a given him he needs the money maybe it should look at these given his given his fortune away so i say with us those those are on uh... the the interviews at least or the bbc are on youtube and uh... ice

1:16:13 And or there are no I'm sorry. They're not in YouTube they're on the BBC sites They're not I would have and I would have put them on the blog but to BBC site this at least one of these channels if they won't let you embed Which is stupid, but anyway? I find it hard to watch bill now that he's reminiscing because he sees changing his story a lot You know and it's just like well No He's building his legacy and then he wants to go I think you know what I think It is I think he really fears that he'll miss the limelight of being Bill, which of course he pretty much ran away from the limelight. But I think he's gonna miss it there is something about it that he's struggling with internally. I think you might be right because he really does enjoy technology and being a celebrity and being involved in it

1:17:03 Right, and in fact I was on a flight once. You know he always supposedly flies coach but the fact of the matter is nobody lets him fly coach so he's always shoved into first class and i was on a flight with him once not with him but on the same flight and i was sitting right behind him and chatted with them for a minute or two but it was interesting that people would keep coming up to him out of the blue Just constantly, and saying as he was doing his email which is apparently what he does all the time. And they're just saying to him pretty much the same thing Thank you so much for inventing the computer! Thanks for everything that you've done. It's like I'm listening this guy and Bill goes oh your welcome. You know? I think hes been told... I did that before breakfast sonny. I think he has been told this so many times now that he actually thinks he invented a computer

1:17:56 I can see where that would happen. You know, I bet if you went out on the street and asked people in America who invented the automobile that everyone would say either an American or Henry Ford. No one would say a German Well, if they can remember Henry Ford. There may be some people out there that say Jack Toyota I mean you don't know what the American public is going to say when they hear this Tommy Toyota We should start popularizing that Tommy Toyota the inventor of the automobile I betcha we could make a wiki page out it and it would stick Tommy Toyota We dispute the claim to the inventor of the automobile that we think was Tommy Toyota Yeah, Tommy Toyota He did it in 1880

1:18:45 and again in nineteen seventy ten and you said no one wanted to talk about you still want to talk about that or not i don't know what was it do send me uh... your market watch i'd read already your market watch article about microsoft and yahoo oh yeah and now i think is a lot of topic he had wrote a good article for anyone out there once there is done in market watch on if you don't if you use my humbly with all modesty hero to get article it was as a good article it was an open letter uh... Kind of, but it wasn't really. But it was to the shareholders and complainers about the Yahoo Microsoft deal because they're dawned on me that The weird thing about this solace moaning and groaning is that you know They jump over Jerry Yang for what for not wanting to sell his company What who's gonna start at a company put their life's effort do it? And just dump it

1:19:36 Well, this is the whole culture. John I read that. It's ridiculous! I read that and it's the whole culture of Silicon Valley It's a whole culture of all the bloggers fear that surrounds it It's all about you know The only thing people get excited by these days Is who's buying? Who or who's investing in him there's almost no love for the technology itself anymore The minute something cool comes out instead of like wow This is freaking cool You know you get well you know they could strategize with this company and then probably insert ads this way and then they can ramp it up in the scale will be sold off to Google. Yeah, I know that's all there seems to count. It is totally a Silicon Valley thing. People in Michigan don't think like this. No! But why does every... but why did the media get all over? The whole thing was triggered to me by friend of mine who wrote something

1:20:30 You know what, I'll tell you why John. Let me answer the question before you tell me about your friend that wrote something okay? The reason why is because talking about Yahoo being sold to Microsoft is a hell of a lot more exciting than talking about boring old credit card data that's being given to the government Okay That's the bottom line Well there's THAT element In fact they don't even talk about the boring credit card data at all! That's the real... Yeah cause they're all following the Yahoo-Microsoft merger Well, it's becoming you know now that you mention it is essentially a version of Britney Spears. Thank You! Now my point exactly It's all porn for the masses absolutely That's what it is and we crave it We freaking crave it. It's all we want Actually the funny thing MarketWatch editor I said well, you know because I've written about Yahoo Microsoft numerous times

1:21:21 And I said, you know, can we do one more thing? Because i got this open letter that says apparently these readers can't get enough of it. You know what I was just going to say is if you wrote an article and the article is Yahoo poopitypoop Microsoft and the article had 18 words and he repeated them constantly and three sentences were like poop It would still get huge numbers because people are just looking for that shit They just want to read poop about Microsoft and Yahoo. In fact, why don't you put Microsoft... Here try this. Microsoft, Yahoo, Britney Spears I betcha it's gonna be the best read article ever

1:21:58 You can do it, John. I bet you somehow you can relate Britney Spears into the Microsoft Yahoo. Well, you know what? Maybe we should do a posting on the blog where the headline is Microsoft Yahoo Britney Spears Porn. No no no leave off that. Now see you're going too far. That's like your April Fools joke. You went a little to far on that too. You might be right. Do it subtly but somehow... Screw it! Work in Amy Winehouse. That's more sophisticated Okay, working it. I thought she's past say already no no man No She's still hot work in Amy Winehouse somehow into a Yahoo Microsoft story. I guarantee you most views ever It'll be a test try it out. It'll work I might do that actually I can do that I could do that as a column because I could it's essentially a rewrite of that porn column on my wrote some years ago about how using porn and the headlines always gets you a lot of readers and

1:22:56 and essentially the column was, you know it had porn in the headlines but it wasn't about porn. It was about the effect of using it in a headline I could probably do the same thing here. Yeah but that's too easy because porn is just to easy. I'm not going to use porn. I'm just saying with I could use an Amy Winehouse Microsoft Yahoo and probably get any...it's essentially the modern use of the word porn has been updated now we have personalities and this idiotic non-merger Which I predicted from the beginning by the way, it never happened. You know what's funny? A couple weeks ago I wrote a post on my blog...I don't post that because a lot of shows get posted automatically but I don't necessarily post a lot on the blog but sometimes i do and instead of...I can't remember exactly what is was but let's just say it was Microsoft Yahoo! And instead of putting Microsoft and Yahoo!, I did Microsoft then a plus sign and then Yahoo!.

1:23:48 And I got so many more search result hits from that just by putting a plus sign instead of using the word and it was significantly interesting. So, I think it should be Microsoft plus Yahoo plus Britney maybe even do an equals after that just to fuck with people In fact that's going to be the title of this show That is exactly what it is It is Microsoft plus Yahoo equals Britney There you go That's gonna be the title of this show by the way Okay, Microsoft plus Yahoo equals Britney. That's a good title you watch you watch through the roof donations will come pouring in Donations we don't even have a donation thing set up with too lazy. I'm not yes exactly We're just like everyone else were insignificant and lazy for insignificant and lazy complainers Lazy bitch about being lazy this terrible horrible Keeps us off the street

1:24:48 That's the worst case example. Hey, don't you have to do this? Kids don't be like this! Don't you have to do twit today isn't that coming up Yeah it is coming up but I'll be talked out so that's good news for you. You always bitch about by doing twit you're always complaining bitterly It's not...you know what if anything its promoting dude what are you talking about I'm promoting it Well yeah well I promote and Leo now mentions in the show which is plus took him awhile You know, based upon your conversation on Twit last week I saw a lot of postings of people saying man they don't even pay Dvorak anything. Yeah we don't pay you a lot but yeah we do pay you something! I mean come on... No no i wasn't talking about getting paid from media, I'm talking about getting paid for doing the NO AGENDA show. That's how people interpreted it as in you don't get paid at all for anything

1:25:47 I don't. I don't get paid by anybody! I'm actually living on my mom's money." That's a horrible thing to say, that's nasty... The point is is that no that was a misinterpretation. People should listen more. I didn't know anyone even associated this show with MeVeo You would be amazed how poorly people listened to this show in particular but really maybe how poorly we we communicate what we're saying because people really sometimes walk away with a very different impression than I think, you know that i think I have about what we said on the show and like wow how did they pick it up? How'd they get that angle from what we were saying. It continues to amaze me Oh yeah no, that happens in writing too A lot of my columns have had this happen She'll say how can you say blah blah blah blah blah blah And I'm thinking I never said that! And I usually send her back a note cause I do answer all my email I say look pal

1:26:44 Show me exactly where, and I quote from him. Where did I say this specifically? You tell me where that is." And it's the last thing I hear from them because these people read... You'd think that if we're talking about something, it would be clear because we are actually saying it and they're listening. It's harder to misinterpret but the stuff that is written is even worse by you know I mean do you think people not understanding? You oughta see when you write something out and then the kind of response you get from characters. Dvorak said blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

1:27:25 It's weird to me that you know sometimes it almost as though people are looking for something. They're looking Did first they're looking for I don't know what project maybe they can't read? I think maybe the public is becoming illiterate Well, that's I think that's probably a fact and a bitch of this data on that well there might be I'm telling ya It's just distressing thing. I don't see how anyone can misinterpret what we say on this show We're pretty straightforward about it You'd be amazed you would be amazed No one's ever emailed you something that you said, holy crap? Not as much on this show. As I get from when I write something Yeah Well I can see where that would happen But I don't write that much because I know i'm not a great writer And I certainly get misinterpreted whenever I do write something so... Well you must get a lot of interesting input from the daily source code

1:28:20 Which is a show, by the way. You don't plug that much on here which you should Yeah I guess I think it's one of the original podcasts It has probably been on the air more than anything ever Since July or August 2004 to be more less precise So i just did episode 771 which uh... you know there are people that are creeping up to or if not have certainly surpassed that number And you'll get there too pretty quickly if you just look at the no agendas. Of course, I do this by myself and don't have a producer It does involve hours and hours of pre-production before we ever just do one show. There's like two hours prior to sit down You know? I gotta listen all these voicemail comments because it is really a show that i put together with input from everybody else So everyone else calls in

1:29:11 I'm not, I don't fully understand why you don't get an intern to do, to help you produce that show. Because I know it's a the show is overproduced It sounds like you have a staff of people doing it But I know that you're doing it all yourself but seems to me that it might be good To train a couple of people they would love to work for ya Yeah I've thought about it You know its uh The problem is It's very organic. I think that is part of the success of it, is that... ...I'm deciding what the agenda is and there are a million things and people who call in. The most challenging voices are my favorite when someone contradict me or is against me That's my favorite part but I just need to hear it! The show is who I am so I have to listen all those things

1:30:10 and be able to figure out where I want to take it, you know? Based upon what's incoming. I just don't see how to do it. I've tried other people helping me out and it just doesn't work, doesn't feel right... There used to be a guy in radio that used to always have a DJ and he'd have a guy working the controls And there used to be a guy, and I think they still have this type of personality about him, but the person who was called a combo man And he would work the board, he would do all the engineering. He'd play the records and everything himself! These guys are usually in small markets because they couldn't afford to have two people working at the same job. That's exactly the point, Judd. That is how I learned to do it too. Do everything yourself and what happens is that when you get into a situation with bigger station or there is more money then you say hey man I want a producer. All these guys do this.

1:31:02 I want a producer and then before you know it you become complacent. You get laid back, you start missing stuff... because you got more time on your hands It's not a good process for me. Yeah okay well that's fine You should still have an intern anyway, at least doing getting your tea or something. True I definitely know I need an intern... In fact thank you that's what i'm going to do. I have to get myself a personal assistant and the only thing that person has to do is get my tea and take care of my administrative duties of the household because boy there you go! That's the thing that really hurts now all those little things they just have to get done it just takes away from all of the time for production

1:31:46 But production, I gotta do it myself. Yeah you got to do what you gotta do but yeah you just still need an intern. Would you want someone scanning the stories for you? For Tech 5 wouldn't you feel like someone might miss out on something? Uh...yeah well I mean the Tech 5 news scan I believe serves two purposes One is that it makes me keep up a little more than I normally do with the news And so it's probably better that I, I'd have to scan them all anyway because if figure out if I'm gonna do that. I might as well read all these look at all these news stories and see which ones catch my eye and then also look for a different dimension than someone else might look at that makes it my you know the stuff I am interested in is about me. So it would be hard to do what? I mean I would do a show where somebody else was doing everything and I could just come up and be talking head. It doesn't bother me to do that

1:32:45 But generally speaking, for that particular show it's mostly me scanning the news and then finding the five or six kind of offbeat or interesting news items. Or trend items... I have a different perspective. You know? I'm always looking for redundant stories. Why is this thing being covered? It's like the Tim Russert thing! Tim Russert died last Friday, not this last Friday but the Friday before and he was being eulogized for over a week. Day after day night after night it was unbelievable I mean Sidney Pollack I believe died during the same period and didn't even get a mention anywhere and he's probably as culturally important as anyone. Absolutely! And or probably more so than Tim Russert to be honest about it

1:33:36 But you know, nothing. So this went on and on and it's like... I'd like to identify these kinds of strange things that happen and then comment on them at least mention them because i find it peculiar By the way, if anybody wants to you know I still find that russert preoccupations something unusual But it was actually her rush limbaugh of all people and everyone knows. I listen to right-wing talk Rush Limbaugh actually explained it

1:34:14 uh... in some symbolic way was and i think that for sure can't it tell you what he said exactly but it was the it was like a he believed because he was baffled by to this never-ending coverage and of one t v personality me ppb personalities dial time uh... but he explained as some sort of by uh... the end of any era uh... and thats why isn't was important to keep covering at an end of an era of of a type of broadcasting that we're never gonna see again. And he went on and on about it, I thought it was absolutely right on the money. It wasn't Tim Russert that they were lamenting, it was the end of this era where you have kind of this type of commentary or this type interview style is over now its all gone highly partisan. That's interesting

1:35:09 Yeah, he felt that it was like... It's a very interesting analysis. I was actually stunned by it He said that Russ Schert even though he was a liberal and we worked for you know that senator in New York What's his name? That puffy face guy can't remember his name off hand but anyway is always Democrat The Republican or the Democrat? The Democrat that puffy face guy years ago. We had kind of list because peculiar And he was extremely liberal but but russer was a liberal as a speech writer of always a liberal but when he did this e-mail is almost as though we had this liberal guy who could present itself very objectively in the middle is the middle of the road or you do really good job and that is over there's no more guys like that yeah we now have discussed it would be your right wing guy or left wing does his obviously left wing and tennis and so that what is really what he believed was why most

1:36:06 You know so sad did I read somewhere that they want to bring back the equal airtime? Regulations now that comes and goes yeah, the fairer fairer The fairer what's it called them. Yeah? I know what you're talking about yeah the fairness or fairness doctrine is Yeah Yeah, they've been bitching about the Fairness Doctrine. This happened... People are running late on this show now but I have to explain this people there was in that until 1987 there was a thing called the Fairness Doctrine and broadcast in United States and that means if you came out says well I think Obama's the greatest guy in the world

1:36:43 The fairness doctrine required that somebody else come from the other party and say, well I think that McCain's the greatest guy in the world. And then they would balance it out and say okay its fair so everything was broadcast over the airways since their licensed by the government had to be balanced and fair and so they pulled the plug on that during the Reagan administration just said screw it what's the point of this is stupid. And, so their fairness doctrine was taken off books in 1987 and that's when Rush Limbaugh who again not to extol him as a genius but as a marketing guy he must be because he picked up on this immediately. He jumped right on it. He was the first one he's the one who actually established you know biased

1:37:27 political diatribe. on the radio. And so he was in early and meanwhile of course, the other guys who have cropped up are all tend to be that are successful or all right wingers I mean for every one of them there's not... I mean Air America tried to do something but they could never get any traction and there's not really anybody who is either conservative or a little right-wing or extremely right wing that talk radio with much success except for sports talk. And then of course John There's us. Exactly, well we're not licensed but anyway so that so they... So now they're thinking well you know the fit because they couldn't compete literally The Democrats can come up with anybody it's either funny or I mean there joke of it of course is that they don't realize that

1:38:20 probably more leverage with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. And they're on television, but they don't seem to realize that if they pull the plug on the Fairness Doctrine that takes you know John Stewart and Colbert are gonna be screwed. So let me ask you this... It will be Saturday night live and everything else it has... Everybody will be screwed. Everyone's screwed. So let me ask you this Rush Limbaugh and John Stewart are they significant? Well, Rush Limbaugh... Yeah. I think they're extremely significant. I think Limbaugh to almost an extreme he has 15 million listeners a day and he can actually..I mean it's not like you know he can change things necessarily because he sure couldn't get Clinton out of office when he ran for re-election didn't have any effect at all

1:39:12 But with 15 million viewers, you can kind of make people think a certain way about things. That's a lot or listeners that's a lot of people so that's our goal John 15 million 15 million it has to it'll never happen I don't think so either if we get a million it would be like wow a Million still wouldn't be significant no I don't think it would be I wouldn't be significant in the true sense of the term but It Would Be Interesting How frustrating it is I think we could sell some ads Okay, I'm done with you now. I gotta go eat seven every time I bring up anything commercial You always hang up the phone better? No no not at all It's just like we beat that one as a dead horse There's no money in this well We should probably put up a donation button. I think that would help yeah, you know what here's what it is Here's how it works if no one's gonna help us out while we do this then we've just got to take it to radio That's the threat

1:40:15 Yeah, that would be yeah. They wouldn't like that no we of course he'd be seen as Traitors and betrayals betrayers of new media yeah, and actually it is new Media's better It's totally better cuz look at this the show would not be on the air anywhere ever yeah, especially not running 149 We gotta stop guys listen to the show God you know even though most of our listeners say yeah Yeah You can make it real long because they listened to it back and forth on their car. You know they burn into a DVD But this is like get rid CD I've been two CDs to do she knees you only gonna Do I'm even gonna compress this in a lower mp3 bit rate than normal? Just gonna be such a huge file Let's stop

1:40:57 Yeah, I think so. Let's see what people think about this length How do you like that length huh? Take them minutes! Well we'll do this again next week Excellent and we hope you'll join us from the Curry Manor in the United Kingdom I'm Adam Curry And from still foggy Northern California I'm John C. Dvorak We'll talk to you again next week right here on NO Agenda