Episode 341 · Thursday, 22 September 2011

Selling the Monet

A sixteen-dollar pastry becomes a national flashpoint as the White House navigates high-stakes fundraisers, Iranian prisoner swaps, and the expansion of the American prison-industrial complex.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 341

About this episode

The Department of Justice faces intense scrutiny following an audit revealing sixteen-dollar muffins and ten-dollar cookies at government conferences. Representative Ted Poe mocked the expenditures on the House floor, while critics argue the pastry scandal serves as a strategic media distraction from the massive hourly flight costs of B-2 bombers and the expansion of drone bases across Ethiopia and the Seychelles.

In San Francisco, President Obama prepares for a thirty-five thousand dollar per couple fundraiser in Atherton before a town hall at LinkedIn headquarters. Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney dismissed Ron Suskind’s book Confidence Men as a collection of Wikipedia errors. In the courts, former prosecutor Paul Bergrin appeared in a Newark federal building wearing a remote-controlled taser belt, and Al Franken challenged the Department of Justice over policies that could turn checking personal email at work into a federal crime. Internationally, the release of American hikers Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal from Iran is being framed as a million-dollar bribe mediated by Oman.

Executive producers Dean Bertram and Joanne Thompson receive recognition for their support during a segment featuring a CIA challenge coin from the Langley gift shop. The program also notes a brief intergalactic update regarding the Andromedan Council’s alleged victory over the Draco Reptilians and the subsequent shift of Earth into a light-filled fourth dimension.


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CHAPTER 01 / 33 Discussion

Department of Justice, $16 Muffin Media Distraction

A Department of Justice audit revealing $16 muffins and $10 cookies at government conferences serves as a primary media distraction from larger fiscal issues. Representative Poe mocked the spending on the House floor by referencing "The Muffin Man" nursery rhyme. While the public focuses on overpriced pastries, larger expenditures like the hourly flight costs of B-2 bombers and drone construction in North Africa receive less scrutiny.

department of justice· c-span· representative poe· muffins· government waste· mount tambora· media distraction

00:00 I don't want refurbished. Say refurbished on the website! Safely atop the hilltop watchtower, Crackpot commands it and the people's public of Southern California. Yeah in the morning I'm The Muffin Man! I'm Adam Curry everybody And from Northern Silicon Valley the fog is rolling in and so is The Fog Of Knowledge. I am John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot on Buzzkill! In the morning... The Fog Of Knowledge That's our show right there We are The Fog Of Knowledge

00:49 Hey John, let me start it right off with some media assassination. Take it! Okay so people this is how it works This is what our show was all about as beautiful It came in just this morning as I was watching C-spans because that's what we do So you don't have to Eh... Ahem. You probably already saw the news, you've probably already heard about it this is without a doubt uh.. The uh where is it here? So whenever they don't want you to pay attention to what's really going on they come out with something really awesome that just coincidentally released

01:35 coincidentally released the news that muffins at the Department of Justice cost $16 and then yes it's being propagated now on the floor of our House of Representatives here we propagate everywhere I do have a clip you might want to play it. It summarizes... Well let me play my clip which i just got from C-SPAN You want me to play the your summary clip? I think my clip will probably be better because it's produced. Oh Washington watch our Washington Watchdog is on the case tonight in good production Tough economic times for America a new audit of the Justice Department turned up $16 paid for by taxpayers and the muffins are just beginning here's John Carl

02:23 Yes, it's true. The Justice Department has found a way to spend 16 bucks for a single muffin 10 bucks on a cookie and $8.24 on a cup of coffee all part of the 121 million dollars this one government department spent on conferences in just 24 months $16 muffins? Really? Right. I mean, does Washington get it? That's insane and again that is why people across this country are so frustrated Nobody can tell us how an ordinary muffin like this could cost 16 dollars but this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the ways Washington wastes your money Just look at Herman the Hermit Crab or Rex The Mountain Lion

03:08 The Department of Homeland Security has developed several mascots to teach kids how to prepare for disasters. Cut back just one mascot, and by one estimate you save $2.6 million on production and program costs. Yeah hold on let's not go the mascots let's stick with the muffins there is more muffins! More about the muffins pay attention to the muffins! Muffins, muffins! 16 bucks for a muffin? Come on. That's just one way that the Justice Department is wasting your tax dollars it better be a good breakfast By the way these chicks that do this on I don't know if its Fox or whatever...I love her voice It's like- I'm looking at her and I'm like ah she sexy Telling you that What the heck was in that muffin? I almost feel like saying In other news there's a $16 muffin I mean what?! There's a $16 muffin

03:55 That's just one example of some of the outrageous spending that turned up in the audits. But now on the floor of our very own government buildings, Madam Speaker do you know The Muffin Man? The muffin man, the muffin man! Yes I know The Muffin Man but he doesn't live on Drury Lane This is Representative Poe This guy, I mean he's like- He got the calls like hey man. I got an idea for you. Can you do your muffin man bit? Hey man the muffin man bits really cool dude! It's really really awesome You gotta listen to this guy because he actually wraps it up with the rest of and this is the hands down This is tonight show material. He lives at the Department of Justice Yeah, yeah And his growing rich on selling $16 muffins Yay To the Department of Justice Hell yeah On justice lane Justice Lane The department of justices inspector general states

04:46 that at only 10 conferences, the Department of Justice spent almost $500,000 on refreshments. That's $50,000 per conference for Just refreshments forget about the hookers The muffins are expensive and that includes $4,200 for a handful of muffins 250 this is great. Madam Speaker watch him wrap it up critters call sixteen dollars apiece These are some high dollar muffin isn't damn good muffin Justice Department is buying or its conferences and refreshments fresh where do you even find a muffin that cost a

05:27 $16. Well, tell us I've never seen one madam speaker Maybe they're shipped in from a special bakery in France with some secret ingredient My favorite bakery and Texas slam at France by the way little side sideways slamming friends rails and Beaumont tells me oh my these things should be about two dollars apiece which is overpriced to So why is the Justice Department with all those fancy lawyers letting the muffin man get away with this price cut? Because the government doesn't care. It lives high on the hog and taxpayers money!

06:07 Do you know the muffin man, the muffin man? I know the muffin man. And the government should quit spending somebody else's money to keep the muffin man rolling in the dough. Whoa! Excellent-ay. All right, I'll give you a clip of The Weekend. No no because i got more but this is very important listeners to this program the best podcast in the world Your news outlets are about to overflow with this news. Please don't look at the $135,000 an hour it cost to fly the B-2 stealth bomber because that ain't no regular muffin These are the muffins I should be outraged about these muffins please please Don't look at the fifty thousand dollar an hour per flight of the J22 Raptor

06:57 Please don't look at all of that. Please don't look at the drones that your president is having built in North Africa, please! Don't look at any of that it's millionaires and their $16 muffins That's what you should be worried about? That is the word of the nation for today Yeah well and maybe you don't want to worry about Story that started breaking three days ago farmers flee as world's deadliest volcano rumbles wait a minute It's not second half of the show yet. No this is not a bullcrap story This is Mount Tambora Where is that my mount tamboura in the end Indonesian area? There it's one of the whoppers if this sucker goes off we got like two years of no food well That's not true because I've got my crisis garden and

07:49 Yeah, well I've been yeah. What was that garden which grows nothing but pepper? They're great peppers though Do you like peppers hey guys what's for dinner peppers I got to meet some peppers in the muffins. So how come we won't have any food? No food at all? Well, this thing is one of the big ones. They grow muffins over there? For it to throw a bunch of crap in the air and then basically cut off sunlight for awhile... ...is quite high on that list How far would it cut off the sunlight? Would it cut if off over here? Well yeah Really?! That's a big cloud

08:28 When the 19... last time I went off was 1815. A widely forgotten outside the region killed 90,000 people when it blew up. Nah it's just Indonesians And blackened skies on the other side of the globe Wow And so this thing's a rumbling, huh? Didn't it poop out something like couple days ago as well didn't that happen? It's interesting because there has been a number of volcanoes that have been active. The Icelandic volcano looks like its you know that one big one looks like its shaking something and there is a volcano according to CBS News on Alaska's remote Aleutians I think is the one your thinking about because it's coughing out some lava

09:07 Hey, we need to make a whole... GX2 should be making a new track. I think we can revitalize Tennessee Ernie Ford. Loaded 16 bucks What do you got? Another big muffin that's over the top That muffin was stale! Even worse! Damn $16 muffin was stale This will be your media distraction of the week ladies and gentlemen so we're glad that you've tuned in for those who are listening live In The Morning To You John Good morning to you Adam and in the morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air Yeah, you gotta use a couple other one bakers in the kitchens today. We'll say in the morning Baker's making the muffins and of course all of our human resources who are in the chat room and no agenda stream calm know Jen the chat net Listening live to the dulcet tones of Adam Curry and John C Dvorak look listen

CHAPTER 02 / 33 Discussion

Television Networks, Vagina Word Usage Experiment

ABC, NBC, and CBS have reportedly agreed to allow the word "vagina" to be used in sitcoms and comedic scripts as part of a new broadcast experiment. This follows a previous trend of incorporating the word "penis" into network television dialogue. The New York Times reported on the shift, suggesting that the term is now considered acceptable for humorous situations on mainstream television.

abc· nbc· cbs· new york times· vagina· sitcoms· broadcast standards

10:06 I don't even know where to start today. Well let me start with some big news, breaking news New York Times. Hold on a second. Ladies and gentlemen we have breaking news! We have really big news from the New York Times over to our correspondent Jean-Claude Devoirac. Apparently ABC NBC and CBS are going to start experimenting with new... well by commonly using a word in the common parlance uh... you've seldom if ever used on network television is now going to be applied to a number of shows as an experiment the word vagina NO! Wait a minute. Wait, wait a minute! Explain to me the use of this word vagina and why are we now using it? Has it been approved? Yeah apparently there are... The three networks have agreed to begin to use the word vagina in various sitcoms and comedic situations Because the vagina is a hilarious thing Well its very.. It has a- Its quite entertaining

11:02 It's not as funny as the word kook. No, I likes me a good vagina joke seriously is this like was this press release? This is breaking story in the New York Times this morning Wow and and that the story literally says yes three networks have agreed that the word vagina now can be used in humorous situations let's try couple examples Hey John, your face looks like a vagina! Would it be like that or? God I hope not. Then how can vagina be a punchline? Why would I be mentioned in the sitcom? Then two and half men...I don't know. Why uh..why uhh...how can you use vagina as a punch line?

11:49 I don't know, we're gonna have to wait till the scripts are written. I can't wait! But they've decided to do this So... You know, I noticed that if they first started this experiment a couple years ago with the word penis They started dropping it into sitcoms Then it's funny!! I don't think is that funny But anyway, so now they've decided to up the ante here. I know tits is in play... Wait a minute, so... Tits is funny! Now that's a funny word, tits. So they broke through the glass ceiling because penis apparently was already allowed and the vaginas amongst us were angry that they were not- I think some women's group protested the use of the word penis without the use of the word vagina They weren't getting equal coverage as it were The Vagina Muffalogs

CHAPTER 03 / 33 Discussion

Occupy Wall Street, Media Blackout and Banking Cartels

Keith Olbermann on Current TV is noted as one of the few media figures covering the Occupy Wall Street protests during their first five days. Yahoo faced criticism for allegedly using spam filters to block emails containing the protest's URL. The discussion links the lack of mainstream media coverage to the influence of an international banking cartel, citing historical warnings from Woodrow Wilson and John F. Kennedy regarding organized, pervasive power structures.

keith olbermann· occupy wall street· yahoo· woodrow wilson· jfk· banking cartel· current tv

12:37 Anyway, so that's your news of the day. Wow yeah it is a huge deal I have to it pains me It really really speaking at The New York Times and of the stupid things that are being put towards you as news It pains me to say that Keith Olbermann Is pretty much the only guy on he has not really mainstream anymore now that he's on current TV Great you can't even find it Yeah, okay? It's I think it somewhere in 800s on my channel box He is the only one so far to actually say something about the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations and he brought a guy on who has I'm sure you guys have book out, and I just wanted to play this because Well props for props as do. He is the only one of all any news outlet although again He doesn't really qualify anymore Which is why you can do it

13:32 Because, well let's face it Current TV has no money so they don't have to... And nobody is paying attention to Current TV. No one is paying attention but at least he saying and that was pretty good so here it is In our third story after five straight days of sit-ins marches and shouting and some arrests actual North American newspaper coverage of this even by those who have thought a farce or failure has been limited to one blurb in the free newspaper in Manhattan and column in the Toronto Star It started Saturday when about a thousand people marched into New York's financial district to express their anger over how the financial system treats the majority of Americans, what they call the 99 percenters and draw attention to the misdeeds of Wall Street. They have been confronted with an ever increasing police presence which is blocking certain streets and attempting to keep protesters away from the stock exchange itself while the protesters are peaceful

14:17 Tensions are beginning to rise. According to the group's own website, seven protesters were arrested yesterday with four more being arrested today The police have resorted to using a 166-year old law which bans the wearing of masks in a gathering of two or more people except at masquerade parties Simple solution to that crap Call those protests outdoor masquerade parties. While the majority of the media is ignoring the public uprising, it is not going completely unnoticed Take for instance Yahoo which blocked any email containing the group's website with a message suspicious activity has been detected on your account Yahoo later acknowledged the error tweeting we apologize for blocking occupywallstreet.org It was not intentional and caught by our spam filters

15:01 It is resolved it may be a residual delay. By the way, that was quite interesting! A lot of tweets yesterday about Yahoo blocking messages that contain the actual URL occupywallstreet.org and what a lame-ass excuse of Yahoo to come out and say, oh it was our spam filter! Now spam filters don't work outbound That is new to me I've never seen this message from Yahoo Have you? No, I haven't. I don't use Yahoo that much so i can't say from lots of experience but now I know why I don't use it that's repulsive But its such...its so incredibly lame! Its vagina of them to say that and even worse this is where Oberman goes wrong

15:53 He doesn't come out and state the obvious as to why no one is talking about these Wall Street protests, which by the way it's a worldwide phenomenon. It's not just Wall Street there are other I think in like 37 countries people are maybe as big but they're occupying financial centers and staging protests. So here's the guy he brings on who is a journalist, like one of these New York elite guys and they're going to dissect why no one is talking about this Why the New York Times has not even written about this Their dissection or deconstruction is lame but worth listening too It is real disconnect And The New York Times I mean this is the hometown newspaper Wall Street and there have been no print articles in The New York Times

16:34 to date with these people camping out down there for four or five days now. It's crazy, I think three things are going on. One is the word disconnect that you used is a very good word because I think a lot of people in newsrooms still are not in touch with the real pain and suffering 25 million Americans who are unemployed and underemployed in the struggle to make ends meet there. So I think there's that, I think there is something else and the media critic Jay Rosen from NYU writes about this all of time which is what he calls savvy to take these people who want to change the world seriously. I've seen a lot of coverage, like in the New York Observer's coverage was basically made fun of these people you know oh these are guys with masks we saw couple years ago weren't they and kind put it down and not really trying get at bottom what is going on here and as far as tea party Keith you and i both know that newsrooms overreacted to conservative carping since the days of Spiro Agnew

17:33 Is it possible that because those people don't look like mainstream newspapers or television networks viewers or readers, that they aren't old ladies with purple wigs and purple dyed hair? And they aren't seemingly typical middle American Americans. That they're in New York... is that what the suspicion is because you're not going to sell that videotape or story about that protest to your audience? Well, I thought it was funny that the biggest story in The New York Times during the five days of the protest. That the biggest local story has been the demise of Rainy's Pizza and so... So it is kind of like the gray lady selling nostalgia to its gray-haired readers and I think there is an element of that And maybe the fact that the Tea Party protesters were people... Right! So what he saying is a...and there is an element of truth for that Is that the readers at The New York Times are not interested in bunch kids camping

18:26 Now, I will say a few things. One there were several arrests made so i think that is newsworthy but you only have to go back in history and this is what the New York Times should do and listen to some of our leaders who have spoken about this very problem since as far as I know there may not be any audio or couldn't find it that quickly this morning. A quote from Woodrow Wilson Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States in the fields of commerce and manufacturing are afraid of somebody! They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

19:16 Or we can listen to JFK. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it even today there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions, even today there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment." So, this is about the international banking cartel! If you think for one second that they don't have influence on media turn off this podcast now

20:18 Which reminds me, people who do our No Agenda Show entertainment site that lists all our movies. Put The International on there. That's actually a good banking movie It is indeed. When you, there was it was BCCI right? The who were selling arms I mean they run the show 60 percent of America's gross domestic product is from banking these people own everything they own it and then it's not hard at all to control what is printed or what is broadcast on television very easy Saw it in my own little microcosm at MTV. Amen don't don't talk about it that way okay, all right? You're just not gonna do we're just gonna burn that tape when I'm gonna Do that okay alright alright you like your job curry like a job which is another reason

21:07 By the way, Woodrow... ...tribute to our show or they won't even get to hear that much. Yeah, Woodrow Wilson by the way of course was responsible for allowing The Federal Reserve to be created I will say that when he left office He said that that was the biggest mistake he ever made and he was really sorry well right Thanks for nothing Woodrow! Thanks Woodrow good job buddy Never trust a man named Woodrow Or Vagina Oh boy it's so funny Can't wait until the first one comes out So yes, indeed you are correct. Without people who support this show with monetary units and in this case Federal Reserve notes there would not... Ironically enough! Ironically enough there would not be any kind of news that would come into your life that I mean that i can think of so let's thank our executive producers for this show all right

CHAPTER 04 / 33 Discussion

No Agenda Executive Producers, Slave T-Shirt Board Meeting

Executive producers Dean Bertram and Joanne Thompson are recognized for their significant financial contributions to the program. One of the hosts recounts wearing a "Slave" t-shirt featuring a barcode to a formal board meeting at Mevio in San Francisco and during an appearance on Molly Wood's CNET show, Buzz Out Loud. The anecdote highlights the lack of reaction from corporate executives to the provocative attire.

dean bertram· joanne thompson· mevio· slave t-shirt· molly wood· cnet

22:04 um... we have a two executive producers and it and a single loan associate executive producer she will fit that was said to rally or girl or girls i think is jerel jerold jerold jereld jerold uh... again Came in with the $1,111.11 donation which is commemorating 11-11-11-11-11 which is coming up shortly this year so he's on that little group of elite knights John and Adam thanks for making me laugh and think

22:45 You have become a regular listening habit of mine and it's time I showed my appreciation while at... I can't quit you. While at it, some karma for new project I'm starting couldn't hurt! Okay let's do that right off the bat- whoa sorry And do the de-douching at the same time Oh it's double shot okay hold on a second Let me do that for ya You've been de-douched You've got karma that was very linear that time yes I've done I've had tighter he's in he's in Boulder Colorado Dean Bertram a CCRA Acra I think this is in Middle East someplace right now ACC RA the Arabian consulate

23:35 I don't know. ACCRA? Anyway, that's no note he just said but he came in with a nice 345.67 Yeah that's awesome That is an actual giving level on the website is it not? Yeah I believe so Joanne Thompson our associate executive producer from West Lafayette Indiana she's wishing happy birthday to her son we'll give him my shout out later this should put him one half tonight hood please wish him good karma for the new school year Give them a karma shot for the new school year. You've got karma And those are our executive producers for show three four one We remind people to go to Dvorak org slash na channel of work comm slash in a No agenda show calm and also no agenda nation

24:26 Yes, calm we can click on a donation button and also buy yourself a slave t-shirt. Yeah these slave t-shirts are off the hook I well Let's go over this this issue that with the slave t-shirt in you Okay, so there was a board meeting at me via which is why I was in San Francisco He came up to San Francisco And and he says to me that it's gonna wear the slave t-shirt during the board meeting during the board meeting and So I didn't believe him but there he was Yeah, wearing my slave t-shirt. It's a great shirt. Anybody say anything not a soul? Unbelievable I do and half hours of meeting and you know there was all kinds of questions like hey man What'd you doing? You know how's it in LA and but not like hey what's with the slave t-shirt? With the barcode The barcode

25:16 I wore it during Buzz out loud. I did buzz out loud that's Molly Wood show over there at CNET and I wore in the oh, they have cameras and everyone was like Oh, I want this t-shirt where do i get it? So no agenda nation commas we can get the t-shirt. I have commissioned miss Mickey and And my slave lit Christina to redesign the shirt because although I think it's the printing and the wording and even the fake barcode is great but The shirt itself is a bit boxy, the women think. So we're gonna have to work with Eric the shill to come up with a different schnit as they call it It's not the right schnit

25:57 So it has to be you know, this is just boxy. So we know they wear well, yeah They're women's versions that aren't boxy. Yeah, but I'm sure yeah, but there are shirts I mean, it's a Hanes t-shirt so it was a good shirt But it's just there are different styles get something cheaper from China. Yeah Let's get some from them damn Chiners that's a good idea so So anyway, so that was... you know it seems weird to me that you would go. That if your a normal board member of some company and somebody, some character comes in with this slave t-shirt at the board meeting you would say something! And they're probably afraid to say something or you're going to bite their heads off. Well the irony was lost on them because I'm a slave there i am sitting in the damn board meeting does me no good

CHAPTER 05 / 33 Discussion

Domain Name PR, $16 Muffins and Obamabots

Listeners registered several topical domain names to support the show's public relations efforts, including 16dollarmuffins.com and igotnothingtohide.com. The domain cockpistol.com refers to a high-level government drill status, while obamabots.com was surprisingly available for registration. These domains currently forward traffic to the main show website to boost search engine visibility.

16dollarmuffins.com· cockpistol.com· obamabots.com· defcon 1· domain registration

26:46 You know, I have stock certificates that still say Pod Show on it. Three financing rounds ago...I mean, yeah, I don't have to explain to you what that means John. Yes it means that you can use them as wallpapers if I get some money out of them. Yeah! So I'm a slave here I am so I can get my health benefits. I'm showing up hi how are ya doing? Anyway, yeah That's right a couple of PR mentions that are very apropos today Thank you very much Steven Tesla for being on the ball. He registered for us $16 muffins calm Yeah, this is the kind of this is the good stuff guys. This is a quick draw 16

27:30 I really, really like that. We have some good ones actually today. These of course are forwarding to noagendashow.com. igotnothingtohide.com another one forwarding the show which i think is a great one unbelievablethatthisisnotregisteredcockpistol.com which of course is Defcon 1 according to our US government drill which will be taking place I believe on the 27th of September where the president will actually be shuttled underground in the mountains of Colorado or maybe under the airport, we're not quite sure. So cockedpistol dot com which should get some good SEO juice for us thank you very much that's Steve Thompson this time actually did that so great job and then at the final one yet again i am surprised because it's a word has been around since 2008

28:18 Now registered and pointing to the noagendershow.com website, obamabots.com Oh jeez! How is it possible? I mean... I don't know, I'm always stunned by this Who's doing PR for these for the Republicans? That's like stupid and we've got it We have got it. That might be repurposed for something fun Yes, for sure For sure, for some artwork And we just have like a blog that just has you know...we find these Obama bots they're all over the place Yeah and either to post their photos or just post links to various YouTube videos where the bots are talking To each other Hey, but how you doing? But yeah, I'm good. But what's up, but so thank you very much to Douglas girl Gerald when we hopefully will get a pronunciation before we knighted Douglas who is a 1111 night Dean Bertram as of course Douglas will be also executive producer of the show for today Dean Bertrand and

29:11 uh... with the three four five dot six seven donation great giving level and that should certainly bring some karma thank you very much dean an associate executive producer and loan she will uh... joanna thompson now with her to two two dot two to donation we highly appreciate that it keeps us on the air keeps us motivated was very very proud of course you can be one very important thing which has been propagating our formula are for me is this people in the mouth That sounded like remember back in the old days when you have to edit on the magnetic tape and would roll across the head And it would like fumble out like that. That's what it sounded like, the digital version of it I guess

CHAPTER 06 / 33 Discussion

San Francisco Dining, 5th Floor Restaurant Review

A recent dinner at the 5th Floor restaurant in San Francisco resulted in a negative experience involving a dismissive sommelier and potential food poisoning. The meal included a Pommard wine, oysters, and foie gras, with one participant becoming ill shortly after. The discussion critiques the "sous vide" cooking method and the decline in quality at high-end establishments following chef changes.

san francisco· 5th floor· sommelier· sous vide· foie gras· food poisoning· pommard

30:04 Anyway, so I was in San Francisco. I went up on Tuesday and that was really had only three things to the board meeting of course and Which I wore the brand-new slave t-shirt for Buzz out loud with Miss Mollywood We practiced our in the morning would program which I think went great. I promoted the show in so many different ways If you are brand new when you were listening to buzz out loud welcome to our little family We, uh... I threw out the rickperrysucks.com shutupslaves.com chemtrail.me This is the cool thing about all these different domain names you don't have to become repetitive when you're promoting a show so i said noagendershow.com once but then I slipped in these other ones along the way that was and we talked about stuff too Stream's down they say Is it? No. No stream's good here Oh. Yeah. It's not good here at Albany Anyway go on

31:03 So that was a lot of fun and the chat room there was infiltrated, of course which is great. How many listeners were there? I don't know how many...I dunno What's their show get? I have no idea Jazz? It's popular! Well it so popular that they're doing away with it daily and going to once-a-week so must be doing great Yeah yeah it's rocking And then of course John and I or actually the Tuesday evening we had one of our famous dinners And I will say right up front just like my airfare and my hotel at the luxurious Marriott Courtyard on 2nd Street The dinner was financed by the Nevio credit card, which is still good through the month of October. I don't know if i'm getting a new one after the whole slave T-shirt thing well not if you keep Actually using it hey Adam your personal expenses were a bit high this month

32:06 And we had a dinner at 5th floor in San Francisco and since people are always asking us to do a little more food and wine talk on the program, I think we should just discuss this briefly. John if you don't mind? I would like to kick it off by saying John was a total dick to the staff which was quite hilarious. I wasn't not a total dick! You were! Here's how it goes... John is looking through the wine list which is kind of the most important part of our meal since that John is a Wine expert aficionado, and he's looking through it. He's grumbling and he's moaning It's like is this some all yay here The some some way is like dramatized my life. It sure makes it a lot more interesting than reality by the way Yeah, yeah, I'm saying John was dressed in his Crocs His jeans

32:59 And a shirt hanging out. Your shirt tail's just hanging out! I even made, because I dressed up. You know like... Yeah yeah yeah. I was dressed up! I was dressed in black and looked good And i always think that we look like you know gay lovers when were in these places We show up at 530 I've never seen any gay guys actually think that much enough I think we looked like your my gay sugar daddy Im telling ya Until I pay which is when they get thrown off Wait a minute how did that work? What wait a minute? So John's bitching and moaning

33:34 Give me the sommelier and the sommelier comes over. She her name was What was her name? Sue Jennifer She's from Long Island and John's like watch she'll be a psycho she'll be a psycho So you're like setting yeah, but of course he was a psycho And here's how it goes John goes mmm this bottle of shakalaka shlaka blah looks underpriced And she went she was like John's like why is it under priced What did we wind up purchasing, John? We had a Pomard from one of the burgundy vendors and it was underpriced. And so I figured it was crummy and wanted to get some feedback from her but she wasn't giving me any feedback and she wasn't trying to upsell us or anything else. She didn't seem too...

34:24 She said, yeah it's probably underpriced because we put all the wines on sale and then we ended up buying that wine anyway. It was the last bottle which I've always considered to be quite funny and it was okay, it was good you liked a lot? I did! I was not well from the meal itself that evening Yeah...I've run into a lot of this kind of thing in these...that's why don't really eat out at these high-end places so much anymore because they try They do these experimental things that are just like el bully style cooking where they make like there's little eggs that were actually apple juice or whatever and And I wonder whether or not they know what they're doing and i think they're also doing a lot of sous vide Which we bitched about on the show before or I have. Sous Vide? Explain sous vide. Sous vide is that slow cooking where you're basically cooking at some temperature, it's actually lower than the ambient air temperature in Phoenix Arizona during the summer

35:21 and uh... you cooking in this low temperature in a plastic vacuum packed bag in a special device is being brought promoted by thomas keller at the at the french laundry and it's also uh... uh... nathan mirvold at microsoft has become something of a vision not all of sue v is articles in new york times about it and he's got his big gastronomic book that he's put out and he's a big suvi promoter and and now they're selling sous vide gear at um... ss william sonoma and i went in there and was bitching about this with one of them because this is the health

35:59 violation I mean this they're the I just find these devices to be pushing your luck for producing anaerobic bacteria and Because it's in a vacuum and have all these elements you can get botulism. It seems well, I had botulism I think I had botulism because I woke up at like 2 30 in the morning And I was not well yeah, I don't want to go into details But I did that I was not well and I and seriously I was like okay I read the entire Financial Times on the can Well, that's really bad. Yeah and now here's what I had...I had the so it was the Quintet of oysters which I when I asked you and said well the month has an R in it But then he said January is the best and I'm thinking it might have been the oysters

36:45 Well, I had the same oyster so you may have had a bad oyster. We shared all our food because I had the pork maybe my stomach was just not used to pork and I normally would not have pork but it was like okay I haven't had pork in a long time. You've got other things on your pork plate than I had and so that's possible something on that plate or there may have been a bad oyster or what else we had? Was there a third thing I think there was a, you had something i didn't have which was... Oh! I had the foie gras. That could be it It could've been the foie gras Yeah if you haven't been eating that alot that can make ya sick Possibly yeah Yeah I had a salad or something instead of like But in general let me make another point for people to follow our food chat And by the way yes we did eat off each others plate We do that Which just makes us all the more gay

37:46 Honey, can I try some of your veal? So you keep pushing this. I'm wondering about you anyway so the The what was I saying for I don't know You had something do you want to say something oh man interrupted me and that lost my train of thought on the show I'll come back to it Bator Anyway, one of the things by the way I don't eat foie gras. This may be the complaint because you know for one thing it's a trendy cause oh we're gonna it's going to be made illegal in California but the joke of it is the foie gras we get most of in the United States is duck liver yeah that's not goose and real foie gras is goose liver right and the difference is remarkable I mean goose liver the real foie gras is quite tasty its fantastic I have never liked duck liver foie gras

38:35 I think it tastes funny and it's, and this is the...I don't know what they've done to torment these ducks to get those livers that big but. Well they pump tubes in their throats same as geese! It's just not a product that I'm fond of. And most liver foie gras I am more than happy to eat. It's delicious. Yeah anyway, then of course when I had ordered the pork you had ordered the veal and they came out with two veals Yeah, and we're like dude Not true. And the guy comes back to like my finger slipped on the computer and I Whatever load of crap that was

39:15 So overall I would give on a scale of 1 to 10. Wait, wait let's get one more little jibe in there. He comes back and he says the chef will make it up with this special course for you or some sort of thing. And they brought me a piece of bread here. Yes! There was nothing they never bought the special course. A piece of bread? We got the veal and pork and I'm surely convinced that the veal was just left under the heater because it wasn't... Oh yeah under heat lamp for sure. Seems a little dry so I got screwed in the deal. Yeah you did It was dry. Your view of it was dry. I didn't know you got sick, you didn't mention that Well we didn't see each other. I hate it when I get sick at especially an expensive restaurant Yeah because uh...I think the total bill was very expensive yeah yeah there was very expensive but did come out with no agenda money which you mentioned No again it was on the Mevio credit card

40:02 So, because we would not be able to afford that meal. It's like no... Not for us. But anyway yeah that's disappointing but you know this place has gone through it started off as a fantastic place then it lost the chef and then they went to another chef who was supposed to be better and he wasn't and then the place declined and came back with another chef and finally had this female chef who I thought was still there. That's one of the reasons why went there and no, she is not there anymore and so they got this new guy so in the new guy food was okay seemingly so i guess not but I suspect maybe some sous vide involved There nothing to my way thinking anything that has... The only thing we both like that will both try our cooking endeavors at home is the tomato water made into shaved ice

40:52 yeah that was absolutely that was very cool but I got it by the way just right in the middle of this i gotta note saying turn off stream intro its starting over and over again every minute yeah now I can't help that that's not they change something on the streaming server have nothing to do with it ok anyway you know they have the ice Apparently the stream had the foie gras as well today. Thank you, non-coincider. The ice water frozen was pretty good I can use that idea Anyway on a scale of 1 to 10 i give 5th floor in San Francisco is 6.5

41:31 Really, I'm being in a yeah never give a restaurant that high number. Well you know II was traveling so on I don't know but What else could I have been sick from? Yeah, it's like this and I didn't have any crap at the airport You know So maybe it was because of the pork then with them my innards just aren't used to that anymore But he said this now what is this about porking you well eat meat yeah, but I don't I'd never eat pork why oh Well, just never do. It's not like a big deal... You know? It's what it is! What it IS! Alright well.... So I guess we won't go back there No. Well fat chance that we're going to see each other any time soon Oh you get up here. Well I'm gonna go down to LA Yeah keep threatening. You better hurry because were gonna be leaving soon We're leaving the state of California By the way heres something I found out This is abhorrent

CHAPTER 07 / 33 Discussion

California Tax Law, Jerry Brown and Oakland Blight

New taxation rules under California Governor Jerry Brown prevent companies from carrying forward prior losses to offset current profits, a move criticized for driving business out of the state. In Oakland, "anti-blight" laws are reportedly being used to penalize investors who purchase foreclosed properties. These policies are characterized as government money grabs that discourage urban revitalization.

jerry brown· california· taxation· oakland· blight laws· net operating loss

42:31 So even though I have nothing, and this was in the board meeting. Even though I'm just a shareholder or board member, I receive a pittance actually gets some minimum wage loan so that I can have health insurance from the company which is kind of my deal all right? So it's bad on me for cutting a dumb deal because now the company is actually making little bit of profit not huge amount but its making some profit you know God knows how they do it but congratulations good on everyone who works there thats awesome So the state of California has changed, I didn't get to talk about this, has changed the taxation rules. And so you know for a good five years almost six

43:11 Millions of dollars went into this company and for four or five years, big losses were made. Millions of dollars of negative results at the end of the year. Money being pumped in blood sweat and tears being pumped in real way providing jobs and we've provided jobs for probably 150 people over maybe even more over that period of time And there's still a good 25 people there now. There is real work, real opportunity small company Now typically up until the changes made by Jerry Brown you could carry your losses forward for your taxes Not this year

43:54 The state of California has now dinged the company. We finally made a profit, oh I'm sorry you can't carry forward those losses all those millions of dollars that you invested no no no no You have to pay not just taxes on your profit but estimated for this year That's another good way to drive business out of the state of California No kidding I mean that is egregious. Nevada beckons, Nevada beckons. No no Austin Texas. Yeah well there's a lot of weird stuff going on there's there's a scramble for money so these governments can stay in business in Oakland right now my wife brought this to my attention there's a bunch of these anti-blight laws and here's how it works

44:41 You are a, say you're an investor and you go to West Oakland and you see a blighted property. In other words the thing's boarded up old house it's on the market has been foreclosed on its basically not owned by anybody so you want to fix it up So you buy it And as soon as you buy it The Oakland officials slam you with a Blight penalty because your now own this blighted property And then they put liens on the property that you just bought, so you can't sell the property and you can't get loans to fix up the property because there's liens on the property. This is tens of thousands of dollars worth of liens So you have either abandon the property and leave it blighted

45:25 Or you, or you just... unless you have a deep pockets. You can't do anything so essentially they're trying and we figured out that what they're trying to do is that there's federal money available for cities that are blighted I've got nothing but crap hole cities that are just falling apart because you can get federal money So if you start fixing these places up that federal money dries up By the way i love it when people in chat room say serve your right for starting the company in San Francisco Yeah what companies have you started douchebag? You know how many companies I've started? How many people I've provided with work and opportunity and jobs? Quit being distracted by people in the chat. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. Blight!

CHAPTER 08 / 33 Discussion

Traffic School Scams, Oakland Chinatown Arrest

A story regarding a $380 traffic ticket for an illegal U-turn leads to a discussion about the predatory nature of traffic school fees in California. An anecdote describes a traffic school session in Oakland's Chinatown where the instructor was arrested by undercover cops mid-class. The instructor had been claiming that insurance companies use a centralized system to prevent drivers from switching providers for better rates.

traffic school· oakland· chinatown· u-turn· insurance scam· undercover cops

46:04 Well, I well though but of course this is like and it's like for one thing There's a money grab for people who try to fix things up of both from both the feds and the individual So they can stay in business in these little of course L holes of course same thing with parking meters And everything else and and then tickets. I mean assemble you know speeding tickets and left-turned tickets and everything they can check this out Check this out. No check this out. Check this out. I got a scam that'll make you even angrier so Mickey made an honest mistake and she She did a u-turn where she shouldn't have bad And she was really freaked out about it because she really tries to and she drives a lot so being no shit happens So she gets a ticket for three hundred and eighty dollars

46:50 Which by the way will remind you not to do that again. But in addition it says, and this is the crazy thing if you want to make sure that you don't get a point on your license and it says right there which will affect your insurance rate You have to add an additional $65 to the fee just for the fact that you are going to then go to traffic school, which is an additional payment. And do you know how many hours you have to go to traffic school? Eight hours! Do you know what that costs eight hours of traffic school? Yeah it's a couple hundred bucks.

47:27 So I went to traffic school, uh...I finally did it online. Because there's online...which shows how bogus it is But I think I told this story This was a number of years ago I think I told on an earlier show Most people probably don't remember or haven't heard it Or they weren't listeners then So I go to this traffic school in Chinatown Oakland And this guy's giving us all kinds of weird information about how you can't change your insurance companies because it's a scam, there is a centralized company. If you start swapping your car insurance they start jacking you rates up and then the other guys know about it and they won't give you a better deal. Essentially he tells you about all kinds of traffic laws that you've never heard of

48:07 and it's just a part of a scam system to grip you off. One thing, this is pretty interesting... This is amazing that California would allow this guy to be blowing the lid off all this stuff, this Chinese guy! And so we take a lunch break go to get some food and you know we're in Chinatown, it's a great place to eat. I come back there is tape all over the place crime scene the cops have arrested the guy. Crime scene? They've arrested the guy and hauled him off to jail! Excellent And i saw that two cops or undercover cops were in the class There was something just speaking of the craziness of Gitmo Nation

CHAPTER 09 / 33 Discussion

Paul Bergrin, Taser Restraint in Federal Court

Former assistant US attorney Paul Bergrin has been indicted for conspiracy to murder a witness and is representing himself in a Newark federal court. A judge ordered Bergrin to be fitted with a remote-controlled taser under his belt during the proceedings. US Marshals are authorized to shock him if he violates courtroom boundaries or makes unauthorized statements, a measure compared to dystopian reality television.

paul bergrin· newark· federal grand jury· taser· judge napolitano· witness murder

48:49 uh... this was on judge napolitano uh... you know the fox business whatever is new glenn beck by the way of a bone to pick with later on This is how the court system works in America. Listen to this. Paul Berggren is a former assistant US attorney in New Jersey who became a well-known and much sought after criminal defense lawyer he's represented such luminaries as singer and actress Queen Latifah and rap star Lil' Kim Mr. Berggren now finds himself on the crosshairs of his former colleagues at as a federal grand jury in Newark has indicted him for conspiracy to murder witness who had been preparing to testify against one of Mr. Berggren's own clients after firing several of his attorneys, Mr. Berggren has decided to represent himself in the same courtroom which he once successfully prosecuted bad guys

49:38 But this is only the first half of the story. The second half of the story is this, The government has persuaded a federal judge to have Mr Berggren wired with a taser under his belt and the judges warned him that if he moves anywhere in the courtroom where he shouldn't go or says anything the feds don't want to hear A US marshal will zap him with the taser! I love it That's how all court proceedings should be done and it should be broadcast live I think they put that thing around their neck like that old Star Trek episode. Yeah, we're gonna blow your head off! This is awesome this is a very... you know what? They're all just thinking TV. They're thinking reality show- Judge Judy should do this We should have the people's court with tasers This is great Hey hey hey hey

50:31 I loved that. That to me, that was like wow! That is perfect this is what it's come to in our justice system no one of those guys eating $16 muffins they're laughing it up there. They are having the time of their lives. Just zap him for no good reason. Hey man I'm really sorry. Who's gonna say you slipped? I didn't mean to do it. I'm sorry man, it was just a mistake what can I tell you? 10 bucks no problem okay ill do it but then that you know just to stay on the palatano let me just find this clip for a second something very distressing oh boy

CHAPTER 10 / 33 Discussion

Judge Napolitano, Dr. Oz and Arsenic in Apple Juice

Judge Napolitano is criticized for referring to Dr. Mehmet Oz as a "friend" during a segment about arsenic levels in apple juice imported from China. Senator Chuck Schumer has called for FDA warning labels on the juice, while Dr. Oz warned of potential health risks. The hosts express disappointment in Napolitano's association with mainstream media personalities, leading to his temporary "removal" from their recommended list.

judge napolitano· dr. oz· chuck schumer· apple juice· arsenic· fda

51:14 I'm sorry. That show is hard, he has nothing but... If people watch that show they would get really upset Well the judge is now no longer in favor with me listen to this clip Now a few items from our freedom files Chuck Schumer never met an opportunity to call for big government intervention that he didn't like The senior senator from New York who once mentored the now disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner wants the Food and Drug Administration to issue warning labels on apple juice shipped from China, saying that it's okay to drink the juice despite some traces of arsenic. It seems that last week when my TV colleague and friend and fellow New Jerseyan Dr. Mehmet Oz- Oops! My friend? My friend, Dr. Oz?! Really?? Did he say that? He said that

52:01 My colleague, friend and fellow New Jerseyan. Okay to drink the juice despite some traces of arsenic? It seems that last week when my TV colleague and friend and fellow New Jerseyan Dr. Mehmet Oz warned about... I'm sorry judge that doesn't cut it with me so Judge Napolitano is off the show He's on the watch list No agenda watch list we're watching you judge i don't care yeah we're watching you I gotta get to a couple of just crazy that for those of you who haven't been following it and actually, I think it is being followed because I got interview requests from the Netherlands

CHAPTER 11 / 33 Discussion

American Jobs Act, Debt Ceiling Obfuscation

President Obama's promotion of the American Jobs Act is characterized as political theater, as the bill had not yet been formally introduced when he claimed his "pens were ready." Meanwhile, an unusual legislative procedure orchestrated by Mitch McConnell allowed the US Senate to raise the debt limit by $500 billion with minimal public notice. The President's use of the phrase "yawning deficit" is also scrutinized for its linguistic oddity.

barack obama· american jobs act· mitch mcconnell· debt ceiling· yawning deficit· c-span

52:42 to come on political talk shows, to discuss the new concept of taxing rich people more to pay for poverty essentially. So this is now a world that everyone is watching the United States because what we're in the middle right now is our very own version of Greece these are austerity measures which to the max, except we're not calling it austerity measures. We're calling it paying your fair share or whatever and I think we should deconstruct this a little bit John even though we did talk about during dinner against all the rules and that was no so good but first here's the president coming out of the rose garden because what I did for you if you have not listened to it on previous program I deconstructed entire jobs act for you The American Jobs Act

53:33 And it shows you that the infrastructure bank and you know people being able to buy up houses for free and you know getting slaves To work for free, and yeah It's a whole bunch of crazy stuff, and we're not talking about how it's paid for. You know what I'm at What is well? Why is this going to create any jobs? and then of course the president comes out with his entire package and The Package Is you know, contains like a trillion dollars for troops we're gonna draw down. Hold this guy! Who cares? You know it's all political show anyway but listen to what this douchebag says So there shouldn't be any reason for Congress to drag its feet They should pass it right away I'm ready to sign the bill and got the pens already I've got the pens already Really?! This thing is not... It hasn't even been introduced as a bill It doesn't get introduced until probably the second week of October

54:29 Do people not pay attention to the political process or know how it works anymore? Is the media just sitting there going like, pens are ready. Let me write that down. Pens ready. The pens are ready we can sign it. Yeah the bill hasn't been introduced in fact a stopgap measure was introduced and even that would they can have Republicans just said no we don't lord they had their version nobody the Democrats didn't want that It's just this is a joke We actually have another one of these stop gap measures you know being introduced instead of the bill. What is a stopgap measure? That means in other words, we're running out of money on the end of September and we need to have some more money so let's just do what we've been doing until November and let's put that in... Well interesting you should mention that because remember how there was all this grandstanding about when the president should actually have that speech

55:21 Remember he wanted to have it on Wednesday and the... Oh right, the one you want to have during the Republican debate. Right! So they decided to have it on opening day of NFL Why? What was the rush on either one of those two days? Well I figured out what it was all about. Dope On uh so it happened on September 8th this speech And on that very day, the US Senate in an unusual procedure cleared the way for the U.S to lift its borrowing authority by 500 billion to 15 point one nine trillion dollars enough to keep the support enough to keep the support for the federal government borrowing money through late January or early February So what these bastards did

56:01 Remember there was the big push for $400 billion, but hidden in that provision after raising the debt limit was this little trick. It's a legislative procedure and here it is... The action came under an unusual legislative procedure spelled out under the August Agreement to raise the U.S. debt ceiling avoid a US credit default It doesn't exactly explain here designed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell would allow an increase of the borrowing limit while allowing most Republicans to vote against such an increase. So they actually timed everything to obfuscate from the public, The fact that Senate raised the spending limit by $500 billion which we are not told about because no one was reporting on it on the very day of the speech. Yes because everyone's all keyed up for the speech now there were keyed up for football

56:57 Well, that's... well yeah exactly. They were keyed up for football and as you know on this program There is a word that I looked up uh this again is from the Rose Garden the president talking about his plan being introduced and the pens being at the ready Profligate spending in Washington tax cuts for multi-millionaires and billionaires The costs of two wars And the recession turned a record surplus into a yawning deficit A yawning deficit That struck me as a strange word to use. A yawning deficit So, look it up. Yawn verb Involuntary open one's mouth wide and inhale deeply due to tiredness or boredom Noun reflex act of opening one's mouth wide and inhaling deeply due to tiredness or boredom Derivatives an adverb yawning-ly What does he mean by a yawning deficit?

58:04 That the deficit is standing there like with its mouth open, like a bird waiting to be thrown up into? I mean what does that mean? Maybe he didn't say the right word that was on the teleprompter. Let's just listen to it again. It was very interesting. Could surplus into a yawning deficit A yawning deficit What does that mean? Just like with mouths wide open... He said Yaw-ing Deficit No! Yaw-ing. That would have some meaning because his oscillation you know could be So do you think he might have misread the word Well I don't see how you can use yawning I found that to be, you know... I hear you say yawing. Which would be going from left to right but that's not true because the deficit is only yawing in one direction it's hard astern but yawning is like... There's something Jay Carney should answer! Jay Carney did answer my god

CHAPTER 12 / 33 Discussion

Jay Carney, Ron Suskind Book and Wikipedia

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney dismissed Ron Suskind's new book, "Confidence Men," claiming it contained factual errors and passages lifted from Wikipedia. Carney's physical tells during the press briefing, specifically sticking out his tongue, are interpreted as signs of dishonesty. The discussion also touches on the ease with which the administration could manipulate Wikipedia entries to discredit critics.

jay carney· ron suskind· confidence men· wikipedia· white house press briefing

59:04 My dad once taught me something which he picked up somewhere along the way. Yeah, I haven't learned a lot from my dad but a couple of things I've learned and have stuck with me and this is probably from some training He's had which will go unnamed that when someone is speaking And they stick out their tongue like lick their lips or something Or literally just just their tongue just protrudes for a second That means that it's a lie then its bullshit Would you agree that this is? well-known fact in behavior but I have observed it myself when someone sticks out their tongue while they're talking then that's usually a lie or something's going on because Jay Carney and I watched this entire I always watch the press briefings ad nauseam it is usually featured on C-SPAN he doesn't stick out his tongue often and he wasn't sticking out his tongue in questions before this

1:00:03 But during the questions about this book that came out, Ron Susskind's book. I have a book clip yeah, okay same clip of Carney Yeah He goes on and on saying I don't know it's a bullcrap book. I never read it no, but well I'll play up my mind then I want to hear because there may be two different ones so here's oh look I too have not read the book, although I've read a lot about it. What we know is that Very simple things facts that could be ascertained dates titles statistics quotes are wrong in this book, right? So I think that in fact one passage seems to be lifted almost entirely from Wikipedia in the book. I Think that I thought was very interesting Yeah It was a chicken shit cheap shot and he gets called on away by the way The Wikipedia is public domain so you don't lift it you but he gets called they were necessary and it took decisive leadership it took

1:01:05 clarity of vision about where we need to move the country and it took willingness to suffer political risk in order to do the right thing for the country. And that was absolutely at the heart of all decisions the president made, and the president made them." Here we go. What part was lifted from Wikipedia? We can get that for you... It's almost a word-for-word Wikipedia. I don't know! Where did you get that clip?! From C-SPAN Because I have the same clip but there's a whole bunch of stuff in my clip that you don't have. It's exact same clip! Well, well...I forwarded it to the question about what part was lifted from- Oh okay so you jumped past the part where he says it wasn't the life that they led and all the rest of it? Yeah, I don't give a crap because he was sticking his tongue out the whole time like a little lizard

1:01:57 Yeah, well he's a... this whole thing. This is I've never read the book but it's wrong and here's why. Well that right there isn't it either an out-and-out lie and why by the way if you're the press secretary aren't you on top of these things? Is that..I mean I know Cheney used to pull this crap It's beneath me to read that book! But but the fact of the matter is If your are the press secretary its your job to read that book immediately Yes And he says he didn't read it, so what? He doesn't give a crap. Yeah... Umm.... He's lying because he did read the book. Of course he is lying! But he can't quote the Wikipedia page. Some intern went like, Hey man this from Wikip- Hey man let me put this in Wikipedia so we can say it was lifted from Wikipedia. Yeah and you can do that quite easily. Well they can. It takes no effort to do exactly what you described By the way could somebody please change my picture on my Wiki page I look like a dick

1:02:55 Please put an updated picture in there. Look, let me see what you're talking about! I look like a dork it's like it's a horrible picture and I'm afraid to change anything there's plenty of good pictures of me put a good picture up there please with me my Uggs and put in the fact that I'm bi-curious but I'll put it in there yeah put some stuff there for me will you? obsessively bi curious Obama born in Arlington Virginia yes I was Which, uh... That picture's not that bad. It's a horrible picture. Coming from the fashion icon that you are John. It's a horrible picture! Anyway the president made a very interesting stumble. Umph. Talking about his whatever he was talking about and it's funny the clip just at the very end you can hear everyone laughing at him

CHAPTER 13 / 33 Discussion

Obama Fundraisers, $35,800 Dinner in Atherton

President Obama is scheduled to attend high-priced fundraisers in the San Francisco Bay Area, including a dinner in Atherton costing $35,800 per couple. Following the private events, the President will host a town hall at LinkedIn headquarters in Mountain View. The specific dollar amount of the dinner is mocked as an arbitrary figure that includes hidden costs like valet parking.

barack obama· atherton· san francisco· linkedin· fundraiser· town hall

1:03:48 They're literally laughing at his stupid mistake about, this is the... he's trying to say my way or the highway. Oh yeah this is hilarious! This is a good one But people are laughing at him I can't believe it Well they're happy So the speaker says we can have it My Way Or The Highway and then basically says My Way Or The Highway And they're all laughing in the background. I can do this, so the speaker says you can't have it my way or the highway and then he says my way! Or the highway? Like... You can't read the prompter, you fool! You fool! It's probably the prompter who put it in there did a poor job Yeah they didn't line separation was bad or someone didn't scroll up quick enough Now the president was at a democratic fundraiser as he does

1:04:43 And before you go there, let's play this clip. Sure I have this because you do you have any idea what it costs to have a dinner with the president and some fundraiser? Play my clip from the news is like yesterday's news because he's got his Obama is coming back to San Francisco on Sunday now and he's going to do a dinner and he's gonna say hello and he's gonna do this that young thing but check this out played in a bomb a dinner price President Obama is coming back to the Bay Area On Sunday, he will have two fundraisers. One in San Francisco the other in Atherton The Atherton event is a dinner that costs $35,800 a couple and then on Monday the president will host a town hall at LinkedIn in Mountain View Devorak dot org slash n-a

1:05:31 35, what's the 800 for? How come they couldn't round it off. That's what I'm wondering! The $35,800 you're thinking would gouge him for an extra 800? It's for parking. Can't they round it off?! It's for valet parking What a rip-off Yeah But that's for couple Oh yes It's actually a bargain in disguise It's due for the price of $38,800. So you know interestingly enough when we talked about the White House insider who has been doing these interviews true or not he was talking about there is going to be race war this administration will take it to race wars

CHAPTER 14 / 33 Discussion

Class Warfare, Warren Buffett's Secretary and Tax Rates

The Obama administration is accused of inciting class warfare by highlighting Warren Buffett's claim that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does. MoveOn.org released a commercial featuring the secretary to advocate for higher taxes on millionaires. The discussion clarifies that the discrepancy is due to capital gains tax rates versus income tax rates, while also mocking billionaire Ted Turner's complaints about selling assets.

warren buffett· class warfare· moveon.org· capital gains· ted turner· bloomberg

1:06:10 to get the president re-elected and I think they're kind of starting this with the class warfare because a class warfare very quickly can go into a racist conversation. And you watch Bill O'Reilly and people like this are going take it to the race, they will pull the racecart on this so it's uh...I think that has already started but regarding this class warfare here is what the president said at one of these fundraiser dinners which I found a bit astounding. You already hear in the Republicans, Congress dusting off the old talking points. You know, you can write their press releases. Class warfare they say! You know what? If asking a billionaire to pay the same rate as a plumber or teacher makes me a warrior for middle class I wear that charge as badge of honor. I wear it as a badge of honor. So he's a class warfare warrior

1:07:12 And he wears that as a badge of honor. We're doomed, we are really doomed now I thought that was pretty lame of him to say. I don't know what he's up too and moveon.org is taking advantage of this whole secretary thing here's their latest commercial. I'm Warren Buffett's secretary and i pay a higher tax rate than my billionaire boss. I'm Warren Buffett's secretary I have three kids, make $40,000 a year. And I contribute a greater percentage of my income than many billionaires and millionaires Most Americans want Congress to raise taxes on the wealthy

1:07:49 but the GOP refuses to do it. Why? Call Congress and tell them, raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires so all Americans pay their fair share This is so outrageous! It's crazy that they're paying their fair share I like how they slipped that part in Yeah but just so we understand how it works...I just want to explain this because we have a progressive tax system in the United States based on income But if you have capital gains, which by the way is the same for everybody. Depending on how long you hold a certain asset I think it's like the lowest rate now depending on how long you hold it as 15%. So it is not that... You pay they actually say here it's all about fair share etc but that it's twisting the truth

1:08:41 Because yeah, you pay 15% on an asset that you hold and if you make money off of that which is how a lot Of people know basically You know That's where the income is coming from but then to say we're gonna use that To tax people more with higher income brackets. It's twisting the truth or am I reading this wrong John? Well, there's a lot of twisting the truth going on from every which way. But I question the notion that some secretary has got to lower tax rate than Warren Buffett. That's what she actually says in that commercial. She turns it around and she actually says the truth in that and says

1:09:27 Well, let's listen to it again. Play it again! It is very tricky. I'm Warren Buffett's secretary and I pay a higher tax rate than my billionaire boss. I'm Warren Buffett's secretary. I'm Warren Buffett's secretary. That's good that's good. Hold on hold on here comes listen closely. I have three kids make $40,000 dollars a year and I contribute a greater percentage of my income... A greater percentage of my income? Well yeah because you don't have the same type of income So that's different than saying it's the same. That's not the one, it is the other woman that bothers me where she says she pays a higher tax rate then Warren Buffett this is bulk crap! Yeah

1:10:08 How is it possible? Unless Warren Buffett, I mean Warren Buffett might have worked his way into getting a zero tax rate like General Electric which is and by the way Warren Buffett getting zero taxes and General Electric getting zero taxes. These are both people that are friends of Obama so who's fault this is? We know that in this American Jobs Act there's about 14 billion dollars going to railroads so Warren Buffett is all too happy to be propagating this message He's that great because he's gonna get 14 billion dollars So she's paying a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett if Warren Buffet is managing to make no money Technically, yeah She would be but it's bull crap I mean the fact of the matter is there's probably more going into the tax coffers from war and buffets various accounts sure in one way or another this whole thing is very very very

1:10:59 dangerous it's a lie basically alive head Turner was on Bloomberg and and that you want to hear dick is it I'll turner yeah I'll turns a great Dick he's the Great Dick of dicks heat so here is no in this time Warner merger he lost like nine billion dollars at paper value was left with only a billion dollars and they'd really hurt him I rallied a little bit. You could talk from personal experience with it. Tell me about it and I tell you what, I laid in bed at night thinking about which of my ranches I was going to sell first and which of my paintings in my art collection if the situation kept going.

1:11:42 I don't know which one to sell Yahoo is really a really egregious abhorrent is by the way this is why the public at large doesn't give a crap about overtaxing these guys. No of course not but they don't realize that everyone's gonna get screwed, that's no problem there are two things people don't realize one is they're gonna get more screwed because it always the public always gets more screwed the public always takes it in the short when the stock market going up and its peaking the public goes in and they get wiped out yeah public is the one that should say don't do anything

CHAPTER 15 / 33 Discussion

Elizabeth Warren, Infrastructure and Marauding Bands

Elizabeth Warren is criticized for a viral speech arguing that wealthy factory owners owe their success to publicly funded infrastructure and education. Her comments about "marauding bands" are compared to the rhetoric in Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" and the recent federal raid on Gibson Guitar. The hosts argue her perspective ignores the risks taken by entrepreneurs and the taxes they already pay.

elizabeth warren· atlas shrugged· gibson guitar· infrastructure· social contract

1:12:26 Elizabeth Warren, who got kicked out of the job that she set up. You know she was asked to come in and create a job for herself. Yeah, created a job for herself and then they brought in the guy who wrote the book on terrorism Remember that? This is the guy who wrote the book about... Bad Economy Creates Terrorists, Lone Wolf. Literally! The guy wrote the book on lone wolf terrorists go look it up at search.nashownotes.com She's on a talking tour because of course no one will listen to her anymore she has been kicked out of Washington And she has an interesting take on why we need to tax the rich.

1:13:16 for you, but I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers that the rest of us paid to educate You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this because- Carl Warren at work! What an idiot!! More marauding bands you means like you mean like Mexico goons that went into Gibson guitar. Yeah those guys Some wood from China that they somebody didn't like I mean goons like that is that what she's talking about yeah It's it. I can't believe you know, I can't believe I'm hearing this This is Atlas shrugged this as well as more like Adolf Hitler hold on

1:14:12 It is here! We are now in chapter 14 of the book. I'm glad i have a pilot's license so i can find Galtz Gulch I'm telling you. You're going to find it all right. It is, it was... Who's gonna be there? Turner? No! Steve Jobs. He's already gone. Yeah there's a friendly guy. By the way so Turner somebody I know we both have mutual friend of ours that has some cocktail party with Turner this is the kind of guy he is and he's standing in line at the bar and some woman is in front of him yakking her friend and so he says hey

1:14:54 Are you gonna get a drink? She says, no I'm just standing here. Get the fuck out of the way! Really?! Yeah. Hot pockets! I thought he was going to say well... No then blow me! Nah he just wanted to get to the bar That is great Anyway um Just to kind of Unless you got some other clips uh I am reading The President's Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction Do you know what the title of that plan is Living within our means and investing in the future. No, it's just so we can get by. Yeah! It's living... I like his name. At least he is consistent with this theme of just getting by. Living within our means. Living the American dream. Yes, just getting by. Really? You know what you and I are not rich by any means but what is going on here is really wrong

CHAPTER 16 / 33 Discussion

British Transport Police, Piracy and Terrorism Billboard

A controversial billboard in London from the British Transport Police claims that monitoring internet history for film piracy can prevent bombings. The ad suggests that pirating films funds organized crime and terrorism, a link the hosts find illogical. Additionally, recent counter-terrorism arrests in Birmingham are described as "pre-crime" actions based on suspected "instigation" rather than concrete acts.

london· british transport police· film piracy· anti-terrorist hotline· pre-crime· al-qaeda

1:15:49 It's really, it is really, really incredibly wrong. So I have something that you may not notice that came in over the spreadsheet Did you see the billboard in England? Oh! That was a one dollar donation right? No no no... I'm sending to ya This is a billboard done by Britain Transport Police and it's an illogical and frightening billboard that's apparently floating around London. Somebody sent us a picture of it, now let me read what the billboard says first It shows a big family you when you read this You're gonna just die A big family kind of gathering around a little baby And then under the text says a bomb won't go off here because weeks before the criminal pirating films was caught by monitoring his internet history

1:16:40 Pirating films funds terrorism and organized crime reported today. Confidential anti-terrorist hotline. Now I want to ask you, do an Ask Adam and ask you how does somebody pirating, in other words downloading because there's the internet related downloading a movie so in other words I'm getting the movie for free how is that how is that somehow funding terrorism? How does where's the money coming from? I'm stealing a movie and that somehow was funding terrorism can you explain this to me. I am not getting it

1:17:21 I'm looking at the picture right now. A bomb won't go off here because weeks before, the criminal pirating films was caught by monitoring his internet history. Crikey! You guys are more F than we are. That's crazy Who wrote that? It's the... I'm trying to see is that from who sponsored this British Transport Police Out of control man Leave the island immediately. You must leave! By the way, the big arrests there in Gitmo Nation East... Apparently after Al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula we now have al Qaeda in Birmingham! Yeah it's being dubbed the most significant counterterrorism operation in the UK so far this year The police are certainly treating it as a

1:18:19 pretty big deal that folks of their holding in custody with the words are great and it's a pretty big deal right now our suspected up in there were suspected of in their words police words commissioning preparing an instigating an act of terror fair please have not yet detail what that plot is but they do admit it was probably close to happening. Probably close to happening, this is fantastic! Probably close to happening. And went on to say that they felt and this is a quote it was necessary to take action to ensure public safety now it is reported that the police believe it is reported that the police believe from unnamed sources terror plot was involved with some kind of al-qaeda inspired and i don't have a militancy there's a a new report actually said that these folks were believed to be islamic militants certainly in another quote they were tied to international cases local cases although at underscore here agenda but there are no ties twenty u s potential targets as of yet those who say cram

1:19:21 It's pre-crime. Pre-crime, wow! How about going up to those guys and saying hey what are you doing in here don't do that you look like Al Qaeda when you do that it's just crazy so I my son went up to Seattle so i said did you get your boarding pass? He said yeah Because it's a one-way ticket because he's going up to and you're gonna drive back down. And so I said, you packed? He said, I'm not taking any luggage. So wait a minute! You're going on the airplane from Oakland with a one way ticket and no luggage?! You're gonna get pulled over like second of... just bring a bag with some books in it who cares!? I mean this is because I don't know how much the public realizes that this is exactly what they... Oh one way ticket, no luggage something's wrong

CHAPTER 17 / 33 Discussion

Eric Schmidt, German Labor and Low-Wage Jobs

Google Chairman Eric Schmidt suggested that unemployed American manufacturing workers should accept lower-wage jobs rather than remain jobless. He cited Germany's economic success as a result of labor and wage cuts, a claim the hosts dispute as being out of touch with the reality of the working poor. Schmidt is characterized as a "snide" elitist who is disconnected from the struggles of ordinary citizens.

eric schmidt· google· germany· labor cuts· manufacturing· silicon valley

1:20:19 I was pretty fortunate that uh... i would not go to the naked body scanner on my way to oakland or on the way back they have it at burbank they do not have naked body scanners a burbank but they do have them in oakland and now just went into line with the magnetometer you know if he has e there's no problem is about as a crapshoot going and i haven't gone through the of naked bodies can Oakland I've always known for the magnetometer and then i'd be no recently went through us and we know Yeah, I was going to brag about it. Let's do one more let them eat cake clip because this is getting funny so here is the situation right now the entire world is broke and by design

1:20:59 Absolutely by design this is and it's all a big, it's all fantasy. It's all fiction. It's about numbers and who owes who? And you know at the end of the day all this money is owed to bankers The same bankers that won't allow media to report on protests at banks So its all designed to create more political power Then the rich who of course don't really give a crap because you know The only thing you have to do is lie awake at night and think about, you know which Monet to sell Turn her shoe to that guy's head. It's my favorite That year I had to sell the Monet here comes the shoot Here's Eric Schmidt from Google

1:21:47 And he knows how to fix it all, he's great. What do you say to a 55 year old guy who has lost his manufacturing job and just doesn't know where to get back into the economy? The issue for somebody like that is often the next job is not going to have the same level of salary as the previous job but its better than nothing so from the standpoint of employment that what they should be doing if there were a national compact about how to get this done. If people agree that it's more important to have new jobs, and perhaps even low-wage jobs than no job... Remember a permanently jobless person in our country is a huge cost to us They start off looking for a job after five years they're depressed and but after ten years their medical bills are much higher It's better for society to have a full job program And take the necessary steps to do this Germany for example

1:22:36 Three years ago, when they were having trouble. Actually it's shocking! They actually agreed across the board to labor and wage cuts to make German economy and German manufacturers globally competitive They now are benefiting from that and they have a very low unemployment rate Which by the way is patently untrue It is untrue The people with low wages in Germany are starving It's absolutely untrue and this guy to say, hey shut up slave just take the nine bucks an hour. What your problem? Take a cut in pay. Better than nothing. And by the way when he says that I'd like to hear that again because i want to make sure he says nothing not nothing Did he say nuttin or... He says nothin Hold on a second um right at the beginning Yeah I had already dumped the clip here you know what bring it in its not a problem

1:23:30 What do you say to a 55 year old guy who's lost his manufacturing job and just doesn't know where to get back into the economy? The issue for somebody like that is often the next job is not going have the same level of salary as the previous job, but it's better than nothing. He says nothing. No, he says nothing! The next job is not going to have the same level of salary as the previous job but it's better than nothing. I'm on the fence there... Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. No, I think you're wrong. He said nothing. Well we'll let history decide

1:24:10 So, uh just one more thing. Well by the way the reason I suggest that is because when you say it's better than nothing It has a kind of off-handedness to it as opposed to more thoughtful better than nothing You know which seems to be more sympathetic? I think its actually anti-sympathetic and almost snide. Well the whole thing he says is anti-sympathetic and snide. He said nothing! Anyway... The guy is a dick Yeah he is. He's weird I think he suffers from the fact that he's so rich that he is completely out of touch with everything. Um, and i think a lot of these guys in Silicon Valley get that way they don't mingle They're completely shut off from everything and they get weird ideas And the fact we listen to them give us advice it crazy! I have to sell my Monet! I dont know what to do My Monets are my favorite Monet So um...I've been paying attention to some polls recently

CHAPTER 18 / 33 Discussion

USA Today Gallup Poll, Obama Jobs Plan

A USA Today/Gallup poll shows high public support for individual components of President Obama's jobs plan, such as tax cuts for small businesses and hiring teachers. However, the same poll reveals that 36% of respondents believe the bill will not help the economy at all. The hosts argue that media outlets cherry-pick the positive data points while ignoring the public's skepticism about the plan's overall effectiveness.

usa today· gallup poll· barack obama· jobs bill· public opinion

1:25:10 This is very important. I think we talked about this on the last show, like why these polls and why do they have multiple news organizations on one poll? And i think it's really intended for one thing and that's to legitimize the polls. It was a New York Times poll! How more legitimate do you want? Why does it have to be New York Times CBS? How does that make it more legitimate? But here's the USA Today Gallup poll, which of course you know USA Today is I believe the most widely read newspaper in United States. And it's a very popular newspaper because has lots of pretty pictures and it's easy to find the lifestyle section and the sports section. It's very easy...it's red sports

1:26:00 and so they did a poll, and it's like everyone is in favor of the Obama plan of taxing the rich. Here it is seriously as you know what I did was went and got the full results of the poll this is...so they didn't exactly report on the results of the poll Here it is. As you know, President Obama has submitted a bill to Congress that includes... which he has not been submitted that includes the number of proposals designed to create jobs in United States please tell whether you favor or oppose each of the following other proposals providing tax cuts for small businesses in favor 85% let's just cut straight to the chase

1:26:44 By the way, it doesn't represent the bill at all because it talks about providing additional funds to hire teachers police officers and firefighters 75% Yeah Who wouldn't say yes to that? Giving tax breaks two companies hiring people who have been unemployed for more than six months 73 percent of course provided providing additional funds and then they go down to the you know taxing the rich uh... here it is please tell me whether you favor or oppose each of the following proposals president obama's made to pay for the cost of a job bill increasing taxes on some corporations by eliminating certain tax deductions seventy percent increasing income taxes on individuals earning at least two hundred thousands through two thousand dollars and families earning at least one fifty thousand sixty six percent so that headline is but then question number eighteen

1:27:35 Based on what you know or have read about the bill, which would be nothing. Do you think it would help improve the economy? Or not help improve the economy so here we go no opinion 4% Help a lot 23 percent help a little 37 percent Not helped 36 percent in other words people don't think it's gonna work They don't think because is not gonna work No But but that's not reported no no of course That's what's so amazing But you heard it here on your No Agenda show and that is what we do for a living.

CHAPTER 19 / 33 Discussion

Listener Donations, Biodiversity Memes and Rugby

Listeners from various locations, including Brooklyn and British Columbia, contributed to the show's "value for value" model. One donor confessed to feeling guilty for propagating "biodiversity memes" in their professional life. Another listener donated the money they would have spent on Rugby World Cup tickets in New Zealand. The segment emphasizes the community's role in funding independent news analysis.

andy carvin· biodiversity· coast guard· rugby world cup· value for value

1:28:23 in the morning. We did get a few people donating this week including Joe Cool Design in Princeton, Ontario $111.11 Kevin Smith and Sunnyvale a new donor I appreciate it hundred dollars I appreciate how you guys read between the lines and deconstructed news sometimes it seems that all the news is just PR Yeah well there we just... Hello! It's kind of what we've been saying John Vale Pinsburg Pennsylvania 8290 no comment Thomas Starkweather, Brooklyn. Brooklyn's! $66 Dear John and Adam your show has provided endless hours of entertainment and entertainment...of enlightenment in entertainment it'll be a lot harder to get through the week without it or at least more confusing an infuriating having to settle for some pro-establishment Randy Carvin NPR IV drip by the way so many people are now tweeting Andy Carvin and saying hey Randy

1:29:19 Hey Randy, how come you're reporting on the Texas execution but not on the Wall Street protests? But they're saying Randy, which is just hilarious. Keep that up! That's our code so when we see that then we know people are a freak. I don't always agree with everything you guys say but i also can't find a better news analysis show out there my job often brings me right into the forefront of mass distraction and meme propagation recently i was involved in propagating the biodiversity meme The experience made me feel sick and I could hear that catchy jingle playing as i looked around the room at all the smug elite smiles. Let's play the jingle for you Hopefully this confession slash donation will absolve of my guilt, also could really use some karma to help find a better job so one day I may be able propagate the formula rather than the elitist memes

1:30:21 Also, you can send any revealed memes to knowagendaphoto.com hit him a with it with a karma absolutely here you go You've got karma And that's $66 Patrick Harvey $65 from Surrey British Columbia been listening for over a year now I've been listening after Adam was on twit last year August really? That's how long ago it was. I have not been invited back. Now I Know Agenda is the only podcast you will not miss and its my only source of news, I'm currently attending the Coast Guard College and unfortunately cannot contribute more as a starving student but I have had some money sitting in my PayPal account. Thought i would catch up and also add $5 a month subscription since I started listening, I will continue with the five dollars a month going forward please give me a de-dooshing and some karma as a double! I have a huge move just south of Alaska upon graduating. Alright here we go... You've been dedooshed you've got karma Now that's tight

1:31:21 Justin sites in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is 5601 this should make my total contribution to 1111 eleven dot eleven I take offense to JCD's not that C2C guests are crazy Oh coast-to-coast. I think John should go on CDC to talk about a cycles theory well there you have it Which I hope will be asserted by the man in Hopi Cycles ending. If Adam goes on he should talk about MK Ultra, I would take a shot of Karma and WTC7 won't go away from my uncle experienced cognitive dissonance after watching Loose Change and American Coup which is another... WTC 7 won't go away! Thoughts, Karma Tight! Tight once again

1:32:06 Adios, mofos he says. Chris Schouler, Lowry Bay Wellington 5555 John and Adam curse me that we forget sometimes what is valuable and what is just frivolous spending here's what I would have spent on a ticket to see a rugby World Cup game being held in New Zealand that present New Zealand $70 biggest distraction of the year I think some of our other listeners should reevaluate what they consider valuable and donate yes Still working up to knighthood and getting by on one income keep up the good work. Thank you squirrel hey Just if Justin is up to 1111 how come he's not on the night list? He's already a knight oh So of course sir, Justin I'm sorry. I'm just looking out for the Knights that's all

1:32:51 Kelly Spongberg, Black Knight Kelly. To you Rocky Mountain House Alberta 5555 karma shout out from Sir Kelly to my 15 year old stepson Zach his schoolmate died from cancer last week and all his friends are understandably full of grief alright for everyone there here's some good karma for ya You've got Karma Yeah that sucks I've seen that happen the kids get really messed up by that stuff also an anonymous plea for karma You're just throwing out for whoever? Yeah, sure. Anonymous. Absolutely anonymous anytime. You've got karma! Joe the Dish Slave in Stockton, California. The Dish Slave here with double nickels on a dime for you guys that 22nd is a big day for Mrs. Dish Slave and I our fourth wedding anniversary my wife Sam is absolutely amazing woman I'm lucky to have her with me no matter what insanity happens from day-to-day please give a shout out for my podcast The Ozone Nightmare and Fire Some Karma out for all those who have not found their own Mr or Mrs. Dish Slave In fact I'm gonna add this and make it a double shot for her

1:33:53 That's one mother I'd like to see. You've got karma. Tight again! New donor Kevin McDowell in Lewisburg, Kansas A long time listener first-time donor sorry for being a douchebag boner Yeah we're sorry too Here's double nickels on the dime for all your hard work alright give him a de-douching while we move on You've been dedouched Sergei Kuznetsov in Ladero Ranch, California. Thank you for a long time listener Double Niggles on the Dime last show just reassured me that your model of value for value is the only way to keep it sincere and honest

1:34:38 Wendell Smith, Wind Minnesota, Sotin $55. Bradley Serbu in Naples Florida $50 Daniel Austin Minneapolis Minnesota hey guys I decided to take a week off from the Wii and would like to donate the money to this show instead We'll smoke it. We'll smoke it for you. Thank you Daniel, $50 from you. Amen. Great. Steerley, Santa Monica. John Lake Sacramento Paul Vela Touchester North Hampshire Northamptonshire. Haptenshire, UK $50 all $50 we want to thank them and everyone else who donated lesser amounts for all the help they've given us this week and please continue to do so at noagendashow.com Dvorak.org slash NANO channel Dvorak dot com slash NAN NO AGENDA NATION dot-com where you can get the slave T-shirt which is a bitchin

1:35:34 So yeah, thank you all very much. You're doing great work as always it really warms my heart to see people not it's not just the The donations which of course are incredibly important because that's how we pay bills I do nothing else except boring board meetings That twice a year well there you go so all I'm doing is this and John writes couple columns But he you know he's got like 18 kids and the way you can help us is very simple. I will say that i'm very happy at the end of last week's show, I said hey if you've been listening for two-and-a-half hours and your listening live on this stream should donate ten dollars in four people did it

1:36:20 So notice that's for that's 1% Yeah, you really sold him on that idea. I'm gonna try it again at the end of this show I was straight down the spreadsheet to $10 like hey four all right that really worked Yeah, that was pretty awesome. We highly appreciate that but it is great and we also of course will accept checks if you go to Dvorak.org slash NA you can find the address. Banks apparently can send them automatically. Banks have a program of installment payments you can sign up for and they would just send us a check to the post office box every month or every week or however you want to do it And this seems to work very well for lot people

1:37:02 And it was kind of cool when I saw John in San Francisco, got in the car and he waits for me like a pimp outside. And then we immediately had to stop if his tire was flat. It's like... We both have the same kinda car! Tires are bald and going flat and stuff. He whips out a coin And you didn't, I'm actually a little upset that you didn't give me the note because it was sent to the PO box. Do you have it there by any chance? The note for the coin? I asked downstairs and can read on the next show if you're interested or send it to ya if you want the note It's an anonymous note from guy calling himself Garth or something and its like what package in some way is not really traceable where it came from and the guy mentions that some people on the inside are listening

CHAPTER 20 / 33 Discussion

CIA Challenge Coin, Knighting Ceremony

A listener sent a CIA challenge coin from the Langley souvenir shop to the hosts, sparking a discussion about whether the object could contain a listening or tracking device. Despite the suspicion, the gesture is seen as a sign of the show's influence within intelligence circles. The segment concludes with a formal knighting ceremony for Douglas Garul and Joe Cool Design for their $1,000 donations.

cia· challenge coin· langley· knighthood· sir douglas garul· sir joe cool design

1:37:57 And here's a coin to make up for the old coin you lost. It was a CIA challenge coin? Yes, it was a CIA challenge coin right from the souvenir shop in Langley. So by the way that is... so I come home and show it to Miss Mickey And she says, I'm getting goosebumps. And by the way how come i didn't get a challenge coin? You didn't lose one. He sent one specifically for you and then I got... Yeah well I'll tell you why! If you wait for a second. By the way Andrew Gromit said that you wouldn't accept the coin because there's a listening device inside. Well this is exactly what Miss Mickey said so I come home and she says I just got goosebumps. So why?

1:38:41 Because look at the awesome work you guys are doing. You have actual people on the inside of these companies who are really part of your army And she said, that's really you have to understand the impact of the show on people who can actually make a difference when it is needed. So I'll take that and like that and then she said but i don't think you should keep it on here It's targeting device for the drones Or could be someone with small explosive inside Who knows? Is heavy! Who knows some PTTN in there? Could have all kinds gear in there. And Joanne Thompson says happy birthday to John Thompson. He turns 22 tomorrow on the 23rd, happy birthday John and

1:39:34 John Dvorak buzzkill jr. Turns 22 today happy birthday buzzkill, Jr Thank y'all for the work you do from your buddies here to know what gender show we love you so much I Chopped it on 22 where's it say that on the 22nd? I'm sorry yeah He's older than 22, but I'm not gonna say because now is the time you want to start lying about your age. You gotta start early. Get in early! Yeah exactly. Alright let's grab our blades. Can you get your Swiss Army knife there John? Douglas!

1:40:14 Douglas Garul, and if we mispronounce it you'll let us know. We'll change that. And Joe Cool Design! Step forward, extend your fingers and kneel! Both of you have exceeded the giving level of $1,000 to the best podcast in the world The No Agenda Show hereby entering the exclusive club of the Knights Of The No Agenda Roundtable I hereby name thee Sir Douglas Garul and Sir Joe Cool Design Knights Of The No Agenda Roundtable hookers & blow, rentboys & chardonnays and hot pants and booze right here for ya! Thank you. And for those of you who have not received a ring yet, if you are Knight of the Noah general roundtable we've had to put in new order. Because of course sizes is a problem that was I thinking mistake We made a mistake and thinking about this... Well the normal sizing spread The spectrum of sizes apparently doesn't match our listeners In the future we should probably have more better accuracy when make the order Stand by John! John stop! Before we get another batch

CHAPTER 21 / 33 Discussion

Andromedan Council, Extraterrestrial War Victory

A brief report claims that the Andromedan Council has won a war against Orion Grey and Draco Reptilian extraterrestrials. The update suggests Earth is now shifting into a "light-filled fourth dimension" and warns of upcoming celestial changes. This fringe news item is presented as a "breaking" update on the status of intergalactic conflicts.

andromedan council· orion grey· draco reptilian· fourth dimension· extraterrestrial

1:41:15 Stand back, we have a news flash! There is news. The war is over John the war is over It's over Yes the war is over We have a war? Rejoice the war is over What the Andromedan Council says to us are three things Number one that the war with the Orion Grey and Draco Reptilian extraterrestrials has been won Number two that the Earth is now in the process of dimensional shift to a new light-filled fourth dimension and number three that a period of earth changes with associated large celestial bodies is coming. The Andromeda war with the greys is over yeah this is good news we've heard that through the grapevine, we've defeated them! Yeah the Greys

1:42:12 Some I'm gonna meet a gray one of these like some years ago. It is the show So this is yes, I have no it was a tall blonde actually not a great Yeah, but this is really good news And I have this is just the headline so I'll be getting the full report after the show and I will be reporting on that Sunday The war is over the grays have been defeated by the Andromeda Council um so what just going back to the CIA thing for a second I'm very pleased what is happening and a big part of this, of course, is me having my own mail server. It's no longer going through Google and having PGP encryption. I am now receiving documents from assistants to members of Parliament in Gitmo Nation East And uh...I've been asked not to mention which member of parliament and obviously not who sent this to me but this is a... I would think yeah and we respect that anonymity

CHAPTER 22 / 33 Discussion

HPV Vaccines, Gardasil vs Cervarix PR

The UK Department of Health is currently evaluating tenders for a massive HPV vaccination program, pitting Merck's Gardasil against Cervarix. An anonymous source warns of an upcoming PR blitz as the companies compete for the government contract. The discussion highlights that these vaccines use "virus-like particles" (VLPs) and questions the long-term safety and necessity of injecting children with synthetic viral proteins.

hpv· gardasil· cervarix· merck· united kingdom· virus-like particles

1:43:14 Oh yeah. But this is a note about HPV vaccinations and Gardasil, and what this great human resource told me is be on the lookout for lots of PR about Gardasil. And so here it turns out the Department of Health is currently evaluating tenders for the supply of a vaccine for the human papilloma virus, HPV. Vaccination program! So this tells us a couple of things that the government of the United Kingdom's Gitmo Nation East is going to start injecting everyone it'll be girls and boys we know that they're on the boys track as well and there are two vaccines that are being considered

1:44:15 One is Cervarix, that is from... let's see who makes Cervarix. It doesn't say it may be Merck. How do you spell it? S-E-R V-A-R-I-X and the other one is Gardazil and the committee considered whether either of the two licensed vaccines should be recommended in preference over the other Both currently available vaccines protect against the HPV types that cause, and here they are right? They're saying it in their documentation. That cause over 70% of all cervical cancers. 70%, so it's not like a cure And one vaccine also protects against HPV type 6 and 11 that cause around 90% of all genital warts

1:45:04 HPV vaccines are subunit vaccines and here's what, this is amazing information. Made from the major protein of the viral coat or capsid of HPV but it turns out that this is synthetic they've actually made a synthetic version of the virus and they put that into the vaccine which sounds kind of funky to me here it is This is a VLP. VLPs mimic the structure of the natural virus but do not contain any viral DNA because they are virus-like particles so I read this that they have created a cancer virus that they say looks like something and they're actually injecting our children with that but anyway, The bottom line here is you should be on the lookout for a lot of pro and con PR

1:46:06 between Cervarix and Gardazil to see who's going to win the contract. And I want all of our No Agenda Militia and Human Resources to be on the lookout for it, because you're gonna see this heated up big time... To go for the big government contract of this vaccine which doesn't even cure everything and probably has injured if not killed lots of children! And i'm very appreciative of our human resource for sending that to me So, I've got a clip that is kind of interesting. A professor at one of the Washington DC universities was on book TV... On C-SPAN 2? C-SPAN, of course. Which I listen to too much and he dropped this little bomb and let it... This is a... He starts talking about the opium trade and he's referring to Opium Poppy specifically And there's a...and he brings up a little historical tidbit

CHAPTER 23 / 33 Discussion

Afghanistan Opium, USAID Soil Acidification

A George Washington University professor revealed on C-SPAN that Afghanistan was unable to produce opium until a 1950 USAID project acidified the soil. This historical detail suggests that the US government intentionally created the conditions for the Afghan opium trade. The project occurred under Secretary of State Dean Acheson, shortly before the Dulles brothers established the modern CIA.

afghanistan· opium· usaid· dean acheson· john foster dulles· cia

1:47:06 which I know you'll find highly amusing because it fits in right with our whole, our schema of how the world operates. But see if you can catch the little gem in this little commentary about opium in Afghanistan. The incubator for a certain type of crop which we now know is opium so its kind of an interesting story that Afghanistan had never been able to produce opium prior to 1950 when a USAID development project acidifies the soil such as to make this a productive area for opium. What do you teach here George Washington? They didn't even grow opium there? Not until 1950, until the USAID folks came along and said you know... I got an idea! That's clip of the day John. I'm giving you that one. That's great! Oh my goodness This will work out great And then we'll come in and protect it Wow! That is pretty awesome

1:48:08 So it's just a pH issue with the soil. Yeah, we just had a little more nitrogen in there and we're all good to go Wow I don't know what to say about that yeah i don't have much either i mean We can do a little more research and just confirm it but sounds good to go I mean sounds right shouldn't we? USAID perfect! And thats under Secretary of State right who was secretary state 1951 I think it was John Foster or something. Hold on a second. John Foster Dulles? Must have been some shill! No, what's his name...his brother...these are the guys that started the CIA by the way coincidentally. Uh-huh. Let's see...Secretary... I THINK NOT!!!

1:48:54 Secretary of State 1951. That's how I'm gonna do my search, let's see what comes up. You said 1950 so we'll go with that. Dean Acheson. Yes and who was Dean Acheson? Who was that? He was a government steward. I don't know who he is, Dean Atchison, the famous Secretary of State. I never heard of the guy! Of course not, it's 1950. 60 plus years ago. Let's see... His most famous decision was convincing President Truman to intervene in the Korean War. Okay, right. Good guy. Well, he also

1:49:37 responsible for the Marshall Plan. He helped design the Marshall Plan, which was basically rebuilding these countries and he also... He was preceded by George Marshall and then succeeded by John Foster Dulles. Oh! Who is a CIA guy? Dulles one of the Dulles brothers. He's the guy who started the modern CIA. Yes And so it makes nothing but sense that because our take on things is that Afghanistan opium from the get-go is controlled by our government So, it kind of falls into place in some large scheme of things.

CHAPTER 24 / 33 Discussion

African Drone Bases, Seychelles and Ethiopia

The US military is expanding its drone program across Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, with new bases established in the Seychelles and Saudi Arabia. A primary base in Ethiopia is being used to target the Somali militant group Al-Shabaab. Officials state that the Seychelles base was a temporary measure while the Ethiopian site was being arranged, effectively covering the entire Horn of Africa.

drones· ethiopia· seychelles· saudi arabia· al-shabaab· horn of africa

1:50:26 We are building drones in Africa. Fox News alert now, the US expanding its drone program and get this U.S defense officials say part of an escalating campaign on what might be the newest front against Al Qaeda Steve Santoni is on the story now which countries are of concern? And how long has the us been working on this Steve Well, Bill the U.S., a U.S. official tells Fox News it's been more than a year that this has been in the works two important factors coming together here are the growing threat from Al-Qaeda in Yemen and Somalia and the growing effectiveness and importance of unmanned drone aircraft according to this US official that we talked to the preferred location for a drone base was Ethiopia but that took time to arrange In the meantime we began flying drone missions from

1:51:12 a base in the Seychelles Islands and now the newest piece in all this, a base in Saudi Arabia. The base in Ethiopia is aimed primarily at the Somali militant group Al-Shabaab but this system of bases will effectively cover the entire Horn of Africa and Arabian Peninsula. You know we've covered... This is awesome! Let's get this down you have the Seychelles which is a beautiful place yeah and they're putting drone a drone base there? Well the Seychelles of course was wiped out due to flooding And I think that now, I'm thinking like hey let's wipe this place out with a little bit of scalar weaponry. Let's throw some water on that so then we can rebuild the base there with the...we're building drones on!

1:51:53 And then what was the other places? One was Saudi Arabia. Somalia and Saudi Arabia base in Somalia I think that's what he said no, I don't think so. I think it was for to attack Somalia. Effectiveness and importance of unmanned drone aircraft according to this US official that we talked to the preferred location for a drone base was Ethiopia but that took time to arrange in the meantime... It took time to arrange! We had to kill some people There were too many damn Ethiopians. I had to clear out the runway for the drones! ...time we began flying drone missions from a base in the Seychelles Islands, and now the newest piece in all this... A base in Saudi Arabia. The base in Ethiopia is aimed primarily at the Somali militant group Al-Shabaab. But their system of bases will effectively cover the entire Horn of Africa and Arabian Peninsula. This is great! I'm so proud of us. I'm so proud it's so great

CHAPTER 25 / 33 Discussion

Tony the Terrorist, Yemen Tribal Warfare

An informant dubbed "Tony the Terrorist" provides an alternative perspective on the conflicts in Libya and Yemen. He claims the Libyan intervention was driven by Gaddafi's refusal to pay for refurbished French weapons and his oil deals with China. In Yemen, the violence is described not as a "pro-democracy" revolution, but as ancient tribal warfare between the Hachette and other factions, involving 60 million guns.

yemen· libya· gaddafi· hachette tribe· randy carvin· arab spring

1:52:44 Well, it's good that they're staying. You know it saves a lot of money on gas. You know I got picked up by Tony the terrorist? Oh yeah, oh in San Francisco. Yeah my guy Tony the terrorist and he's your inside man He's my inside man and so I asked him about Libya and Yemen specifically I wish you would have asked them about Cyprus in Syria You know it's only a 30-minute cab ride It's so hard Syria...he said What'd he say about Syria? Well let me just tell you what I remember Libya And Tony of course is a terrorist

1:53:20 He's a trans... he drives a cab and he is translator for insurance companies. And I think he is in the States... Yeah, well all cab drivers are terrorists in some sense! And I think it here illegally. The FBI keeps offering him a job... I'm pretty sure he is Mossad or something for all you know? Who knows right?! But he says ok Gaddafi this guy is an idiot So he says this was about two things. He says one it was BP and Tony's from Jordan so he understands the region let's put it that way, he says it was about BP where most countries do an 80 or 90 10 split with the oil company so ten percent will go to the host country except for Saudi Arabia he says they get in 80 20

1:54:11 But Gaddafi said to BP he said look we're gonna turn it around you give us 80 We'll give you 20 or bring in the Chinas in so we knew that right? You and I had deconstructed that early on That was the problem with the China's but he says there was something else The reason why the French are in is because Gaddafi had done a 40 billion dollar weapons deal with the French That weapon show up. It turns out. It's all refurbished and Gaddafi went, I'm not paying for that. This is refurbished crap! I don't want refurbished? It didn't say refurbished on the website

1:54:55 I was pissing my pants. It was refurbished! Like, oh wow yeah that's a problem and instead of Gaddafi saying you know well here i'll give you 20 billion for your refurbished crap...your reloads effectively he just said screw it we're not paying anything so that's why the British and the French jumped into that now Yemen So I said, you know what's the deal with the techno experts in Yemen? He said no Adam listen. Listen this is real But we don't understand if you look at Randy Carvin tweets right there's all like the martyrs and all of this and that The wave of democracy sweeping across the nation and all this bullcrap he says you have to understand there are hundreds of tribes in Yemen and There's essentially there's the two main tribes are their ret

1:55:50 which are actually connected through the Rothschilds, which of course stands for Red Shield. Rothschilds red and then you have the Hachette and it's very hard for anyone in the West to comprehend this but the Hachette is basically a conglomeration of hundreds of tribes and Salam, the guy who is currently the president there who by the way is illiterate According to Tony the terrorist the guy absolutely cannot read he's illiterate He was kind of pushed to the forefront. So okay, you'd be the president and these tribes go back thousands of years and They end this guy has just abused his position And that's why you see actually I have a BBC that it could pretty good report but we don't understand it See, we don't understand how these tribal feuds work

1:56:44 And what's happening is there are multiple tribes that make up the military and there are 60 million guns in Yemen as we've discussed. Everyone has guns, everybody in Yemen has a gun but like serious hardware not like a Glock or just an AR-15 you know people got all kinds of stuff because they love their guns And so it's basically tribal warfare, they're all just shooting each other up. As you listen to this report you can actually kind of understand that but has nothing to do with Arab Spring and whatever other bull crap and martyrs that Randy Corvin is retweeting Is it your sense that the violence is escalating there? Definitely! This is the worst we've seen since the start of the revolution

1:57:28 I was not a revolution. comes after two days of very violent attacks on protesters. For the first time, RPGs and heavy artillery were used against pro-democracy activists that were unarmed." Pro-Democracy? It's bullcrap! It has nothing to do with pro-democracy. "...in addition, of course, to the usual snipers..." So who is this woman?! She's someone with a...with a scarf on her head. With a phone! Yeah, with a scarf on her head

1:58:07 Is it also made worse by the fact that the army now seems to be fighting within itself? Yes, well today's attack started when Republican guards shelled the military base of the 1st Brigade which is the defected military that defected in March and joined the protesters. Okay so what's happening is yeah there are people who are protesting I mean we got protesters we got protesters on Wall Street But they're being, they're caught in between warring tribes. And if you don't understand and I still don't understand it but he explained it to me as best he could but he says just like horses he says in the Middle East your lineage is extremely important and they trace this back

1:59:00 hundreds if not thousands of years to understand what part of it, what tribe you belong to and this stuff gets explosive and let them all kill each other. It's great they got guns but we should not be in there pretending like its the Arab Spring in this wave democracy and like we have to go help which I haven't seen a resolution for by the way so I don't know that's going happen but... I'm sure that our people have a clue that's I said this is the media that's dead making this crap up well yes then so either they are totally stupid or they're making it up with an agenda which is just not quite been revealed yet well agenda could be just nothing more than

1:59:43 you know, creating a smoke screen and nothing to see here moment. But I'm thinking... another one? But i'm thinking uh... I've gotta get Tony the Terrorist on it. I gotta interview him on the stream just for him. You have to hear this guy explain it Yeah no, I would like to hear if you could do an hour with him easily Here's how it goes Tony what's going in the Middle East that's it then your hour starts from there let him talk Well I want to hear about the Syria which you know as we know we saw this, I predicted this when The New York Times did that one peculiar story out of the blue. That the Syria thing would be taken off the front page. Off the table right? Completely! Right But there's still something about Syria's relationship with Cyprus and the Russians that we don't know and were not getting

2:00:29 I'm not getting, i'm looking. Well would you be open to doing the call with Tony the Terrorist together? So that we can... because you have questions and I have questions Yeah! We could do a double triangulation. We could do a trio Yeah, I could ask him a couple things. If he's willing to do it... yeah he'll do it as long as we don't identify by his real name and just Tony the Terrorist. Yeah Tony the terrorist is good. It's a good name. Hi! I'm Tony the terrorist. You need to jingle! And here's Tony! And now everybody it's Tony the terrorist! His name is Tony He's a terrorist That has to be something snappy like that.

CHAPTER 26 / 33 Discussion

Haqqani Network, Pentagon Marketing Shift

The Pentagon is shifting its focus toward the Haqqani network, labeling them "public enemy number one" following the assassination of former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani. US officials are pressuring Pakistan to eliminate Haqqani safe havens along the border. This rhetorical shift is seen as a move to justify increased drone strikes and move the narrative away from Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

haqqani network· pakistan· afghanistan· burhanuddin rabbani· pentagon· drones

2:01:11 Meanwhile the Haqqani are getting a lot of free marketing. Have you noticed this? No, back up on this So we know the Haqqani... so we have the Al-Shabaab We've got the al Qaeda's and the Haqqanis now are getting some free marketing I think something is going to happen with the Haqqanis Here's a clip Our biggest concern right now is to put as much pressure as possible on the Pakistanis, to exercise control from their side of the border. We've continued to state that this cannot happen we can not have the Akhanis coming across the border attacking our forces attacking Afghanistan and then disappearing back into a safe haven That is not tolerable and we have urged them to take steps

2:02:01 not tolerable so you know what is the US going to do about it well, it is well known that the CIA for example already operates drone attacks on the Pakistani side of the border look for them just a step up operations against the Haqqani's why is this front and center right now yesterday of course the former president of Afghanistan, Barhunan Rabbani who currently heads the peace effort to reconcile with the Taliban was assassinated in his home by suicide bombers right in one of the most secure areas of Kabul. They are looking at the possibility that the Haqqanish were involved in the Rabbani assassination and as we were showing pictures a minute ago just last week the Haqqanish said to be responsible

2:02:44 for the attacks against the US Embassy and ISAF headquarters that led troops to have to be on the roof of the military headquarters with their rifles firing back. So, the Haqqanis now really considered almost public enemy number one in Afghanistan." There you go! Public enemy number one survey says... so I think yeah To me it sounds like there's a Pentagon move to focus attention away from Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to the Haqqaners. Huh, interesting now look at this it's weird right? Yeah somethings up I mean when this stuff comes out like that and she this is a Pentagon correspondent she's even just basically even saying it you're just standing there and saying it so political actually I pulled a couple of quotes because I do want to talk about Europe for a moment because we still have you had little bit of time left

CHAPTER 27 / 33 Discussion

Iran Hikers Release, Oman Mediation and Bribes

Two American hikers, Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal, were released from an Iranian prison after 781 days following a $1 million bail payment mediated by Oman. The hikers, who were arrested near the Iraq-Iran border, are widely suspected of being CIA assets rather than recreational tourists. The "bail" is characterized as a straightforward bribe, and the role of Oman is seen as a diplomatic maneuver to raise its international profile.

iran· oman· hikers· shane bauer· josh fattal· sarah shourd· cia spies

2:03:53 I got a couple things we gotta get to before you go ahead and I'll look up my European quotes in there what do you got? There's a couple of things going on it needs to be discussed one new we missed out on the Emmys. I watched them You uh okay that's enough and discussing red carpet blather if you want to get sick but i think he'll put that off um We can't ignore the fact that the two The two will play the release from Iran clip. Oh, the hikers! Yes... the hikers yes. The hikers who found that... Smiles tears and a long kiss between Shane and Sarah Shore his fiancee and fellow prisoner until one year ago this week We are so happy we are free and so relieved we are free Two years in prison is too long Too long for the families as well And he left in 781 days

2:04:51 and we couldn't be more proud. And you lasted 781 days? And so did she! 781 days in Iran's most notorious prison, one month on hunger strike protesting their detention a total of just 15 minutes in phone calls home and just one face-to-face visit in Iran $1 million dollars in bail Yeah 1 million dollars what does the CIA agent work for? Oh well I actually have a clip about where the money came from Play that and then I want to talk about a couple of things especially the comment of the mom who by The way this did the plane took off from my guess. It's a Omani plane it took off from Iran That's what I'm on That's where the money came from, the whole family was in Oman And so was everybody all the relatives and everybody were there? I don't know who forwarded that I mean it's not cheap to fly there So but they flew everybody there

2:05:43 For this photo ops and the mom said you know he was in jail for which was 780 days or whatever it was And she's I couldn't be more proud. Well, what would she be proud of that because yeah? Patriotic CIA as opposed to saying exactly As opposed to same so happy is home. I mean obviously I'm so happy He's back no. I'm so proud. He was there for so long what oh Now here's the Oman bit. her release a lot of speculation has been mounting that once the hikers i'll leave iran but they will come here to muscat oman as did sarah short last year a lot of speculation that their families are here in oman but on my government officials right now just aren't commenting or confirming uh... those reports and i don't know where do we think this bail money came from is it the obama government themselves is a conduit and why is the oh money government involved in this

2:06:54 Oman is seen as a diplomatic rarity in the region because they have good relations with both Iran and the US. In Oman, at a time when there is so much strife in this region, they're trying to raise their profile. They've been seen as very low-key country on the world stage and especially in this region and they see as we've heard from analysts that at a time when there is so much strife in the middle east if they can do something to try to mediate a dispute between geopolitical powers like iran and the u s it'll raise their profile will make them look better on the world stage and it will decrease tension here in the region now right told crampy of course this is cia's these guys who don't look like hikers

2:07:35 Well, we've already determined this when we saw the coincidence between those women that were captured in North Korea. All the University of California Berkeley and then these guys from the University of California at Berkeley and they don't look like hikers as indeed And what you know there's a lot of places to hike in the world that are a lot more interesting than well play my second clip and You can hear this little oh they're doing nobody ever said that they were spies it's impossible. What's the point just hikers? What's the clip I It's the second clip it says... Hiking in Iraq Kurdistan? Yeah. Okay, sorry didn't really have any benefit, they didn't achieve anything. So when all is said and done Karim Sajjapor US-Iran relations any different? Any better off worse off the same as a result of all this? Well they're worse off unfortunately I think that you know this has really further tarnished Iran's international reputation there's a new BBC pullout which says that Iran has now eclipsed North Korea as the least liked nation in the world

2:08:32 And I saw even on Facebook a young Iranian was commenting and he said that you know what's sad about this is that these two young men never got to experience kind of the richness of Iranian culture, Iran's ancient history. the warmth of Iranian people, all they saw was the inside of a prison and now they are leaving. I think this really further isolates Iran internationally. Does anyone think that they were actually spying as the Iranian government said? No, I don't think anyone thinks that they were actually spying in fact that the Iranian regime never wanted to try them publicly produced a shred of evidence I think reveals the fact that you know they were doing what they said they were doing which was hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan. How did they get there? How do you get to... You go through a minefield, yeah, how did he get there? You hike and then you get all kinds of permissions, you probably talk to one too many Iraqis who tipped off the Iranians probably some station guys and next thing you know after you get to the minefield so you can go hiking

2:09:36 because there's no place to hike in the United States for God sake. I mean, the Rocky Mountains, those great smoky mountains... There are a million things that you can go and do and see real hiking but you'd rather go to some place where you don't know the flora, you don't know the fauna You don't know what is going to bite you in the ass when your just sleeping at night And that's were your gonna be hiking cause it makes nothing but sense! So yeah they weren't spying. By the way when you look at them if you're hiking do you carry long pants with you? Because they're all wearing long pants and not wearing hiking shoes. You'd expect hikers to come out of jail, wearing their hiking pants and their hiking gear and maybe have a backpack with them. I wouldn't be wearing long pants if i'm hiking. Would you bring long pants? Of course! If your'e hiking... You'll get all scratched up otherwise depends on where your hiking What are you gonna go what do you go hiking naked? I mean what it's what are you driving at

2:10:28 I don't think they look like hikers is what i'm saying. Well, I don't think that...I don't think they are hikers. Duh! You know and why would you? Why would you this is like a screwball thing to do it begin with and then they have all those you know here's five hundred thousand dollars to get the girl out And here's another million to get so it's five hundred dollars five hundred thousand dollars ahead So every person costs 500 000 and this is just they softened it by calling it bail How's it bail Because the woman did why don't they go grab her and she is she jumped bail. She was dying of cancer No, she was a baby. I thought it was a cancer thing I thought she was having a baby and they had to get her out of there. Whatever the case is, do these guys get picked up for jumping bail? No this is just straight up and out bribe The whole thing is bogus A mess And you know what gets me on the C-SPAN show they had one of those guy who wrote the book Siriana We played the clip

2:11:28 Oh, he's a CIA guy. He worked for the CIA still probably does and he went to Iran but he went in the front door and you know you could probably do that but they figure well there's gonna be people watching me... There must be something going on in those mountains that these kids really had take a picture of or they had get some evidence I don't know what they were up to who knows will never find out but this whole thing is suspicious That's an interesting point what's in the mountains? What's going on there Yeah, in that area. That's a good point But we ever seen a good map of where they were and you know it's Google satellite covering it I mean what's the deal no no little intermittent so little bit of fun the what's the what? What's the girl's name the on morning Joe she's uh? Brzezinski his daughter her yeah hold on oh

CHAPTER 28 / 33 Discussion

Al Franken, Cybercrime and Terms of Service

During a Senate hearing, Al Franken questioned the Department of Justice on its interpretation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. The DOJ argued that violating a website's terms of service or an employer's computer policy could constitute a federal crime. This means an employee checking personal Gmail at work could technically face federal prosecution, a stance the DOJ refuses to soften despite constitutional concerns from judges.

al franken· department of justice· computer fraud and abuse act· gmail· federal crime

2:12:22 Thank you very much for sharing this with us. Rob, will you hang around? I will do that. Why not? Coming up Simon Hobbs is standing next to a giant pile of cash. Where are ya Simon? I'm coming! She's coming... Yeah, heard that. ...'cause the big bale of cash just like her dad. stand back I'm coming for your big pile of cash. We both got that thing in the email showing all the you know the federal program for slave labor through the prison system yeah so you know we realized that you know they're basically looking if there's any excuse to lock people up because we need cheap labor right but some of these federal crimes are pretty dubious, we talked about this but i didn't have the clip before said I was gonna get the clip L Franken on federal crime it's both Frankens questions interesting within the guy kind

2:13:14 gave him a shut up slave, well you know we're thinking about it. We can't do this we can't do that answer. This is at a government hearing on cybercrime. Senator Franken? Thank You Mr. Chairman. Mr. Baker I want to ask you a question follow-up on a question from chairman Leahy in recent cases Department of Justice's actually argued that the violation of a website's term of service or an employer's computer use policy can constitute a federal crime under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. In other words, under this interpretation of the statute people could conceivably be guilty of a federal crime for checking their Gmail or their weather if their employer's computer policy prohibits them from using their computers for personal reasons

2:14:07 Two federal judges have found this reading of the statute to be unconstitutional because people don't read those policies and when they do, they can be as you know long and complex full fine print. Don't you think it'd be worthwhile somehow address the concerns of those federal judges in updating this statute? So as I said earlier, Senator – thank you for that question. As I said earlier we're happy to work with folks to address these kinds of concerns. I think the challenge is to address those concerns and at the same time not create a significant loophole that would allow somebody for example who worked at Social Security Administration, IRS, U.S. Passport Office or bank to take information in violation of their employer's policies and misuse it from

2:14:56 for some purpose, either to spy on somebody that they know or to take information and pass it to others to steal money. So I think this insider case where somebody violates the rules of their employer in using a computer is a very challenging thing to address and at the same time kind of address the types of concerns that you suggest. The difficulty is So what is he saying? He's saying screw it, we're keeping it in the way it is and if you do something and we want to arrest you for a federal crime because you checked your email then that's what were going to do. That's what he says Love It!

CHAPTER 29 / 33 Discussion

Canadian Prison Expansion, Safe Streets Act

The Canadian government has introduced the "Safe Streets and Communities Act," a mega-bill that implements mandatory minimum sentences and doubles penalties for growing marijuana. Critics argue the bill is a waste of money given that crime rates have been dropping for 20 years. The expansion is viewed as an effort to mirror the US prison-industrial complex and create a new pool of cheap prison labor.

canada· safe streets and communities act· marijuana· mandatory minimums· prison labor

2:15:34 That's great. Yeah, they get tough is it we need more prisoners because the labor costs are going too high it's almost nine dollars an hour we can get a prisoner for 10 cents well funny you bring this up because of course now we know that in the past was the past 15 years I think we've gone to three million slaves and prison numbers higher than that Well, and most of them African-American. Most of them... Oh yeah well that makes sense they're slaves! Yes most of them on drug charges and now that we are starting to integrate the United States of North America or the Americas I should say which would be Canada America and Mexico

2:16:15 Canada has passed a bill which puts, I mean we need to expand. We have enough slaves here in commercial prisons now we're going do it in Canada. Keep that promise the government has rolled nine bills into one mega-bill dubbed the Safe Streets and Communities Act It promises new mandatory minimum sentences for violent offenses and offenses against children, stiffer penalties for organized drug crime and human trafficking. No more house arrest and no more pardons for violent crimes. Adult sentences for violent young offenders and longer maximum sentences

2:16:53 For growing marijuana, for example the maximum doubles from seven years to 14. Combined these measures will strengthen our justice and immigration systems and will have a significant and positive impact on our ability to keep our citizens safe but the opposition calls it a waste of money Their ideological bent that punishment will deter crime flies in the face absolutely all the evidence for us to be spending additional hundreds of millions of dollars in sending kids to jail because they've got six marijuana plants in their house. I mean, this is truly stupid! It's great!

2:17:29 Experts on the prison system also objected, saying crime has been dropping for 20 years and that prisons are overcrowded already. The correction system in Canada is already in crisis. Provincial, territorial and parts of the federal system are so crowded that they may well be violating section 12 charter protections against cruel and unusual punishment. The government says it will build more prison cells, but its critics say that won't make Canadians safer just poorer We're talking about many tens of billions of dollars I don't know how much it is. I think the government has a fiduciary obligation to you, to me, to all Canadians To disclose exactly what that is

2:18:15 But the government declines to put a price on its plan. Instead, it argues that letting criminals roam free costs even more Yay! It's about time the Canadians get some of our medicine. Yeah, so I find it interesting the coincidence that crime is dropping but prison population is increasing so there's crowding. How does that work? Well you get six marijuana plants and go to jail for fourteen years. Dream up more crime, you know, make more laws that make everything a crime like checking your email potentially a crime. Crime, crime, crime. You could bust everybody...

2:18:53 3 million people incarcerated at the moment, but 7.2 million adults under correctional supervision in other words probation parole or prison About three point one percent of adults in the US are in jail which is the highest per capita in the world I might add and the most in total and 70% of them are non-white so right awesome Yeah, and there's a prison labor system which has been developed over the last decade or two where they basically compete with private enterprise. Making stuff. Furniture is one of the big ones. This is great! We're doing good by the way it's probably gonna be a good place to be in prison

CHAPTER 30 / 33 Discussion

Netherlands Prince Day, Golden Chariot and Taxes

The annual "Prince Day" (Prinsjesdag) in the Netherlands featured Queen Beatrix riding in a golden chariot to deliver a budget speech focused on austerity. While the media focused on the pageantry, the government used a potentially manufactured survey from TNS Nipo to claim the public supports reducing mortgage tax deductions. The event is described as a distraction to pacify "slaves" while their financial benefits are stripped away.

netherlands· queen beatrix· prinsjesdag· maxima· mortgage deduction· tns nipo

2:19:38 Well, I think when the people can't get work they at least don't get a 10 cent an hour job. Which is again showing that the Republicans are right that minimum wage is killing private industry. Get rid of minimum wage and the prison population will just evaporate! Let me skip around Gitmo Nation... A couple things I need to talk about First of all, Gitmo Nation lowlands Now John, I'm linking this in the show notes 341.nashownotes.com Now that I haven't lived there for a long time, the absurdity of it all kind of hit me and I really scoured the interwebs to find the true information. And it's not being reported in the Dutch press

2:20:21 On the third Tuesday of every year, the finance minister which in this current administration is a former ICT guy who was brought in initially to fix the computer systems. So basically the Vivek Kundra of The Netherlands all of sudden became the Finance Minister or Secretary of their Treasury presents in a briefcase to the Queen, the budget known as the Miljoenennota which should be Miliardennota because it means millions instead of billions. And they dubbed this Prinsjesdag known as Prince Day so there's all these memes in there and the queen of the Netherlands and the prince and his smoking hot Argentinian wife who is oh man I'm milf-and-a-half

2:21:12 Maxima get in the golden chariot which is made of real gold and they trot along the streets clippity-clop clippety-clop and and then the Queen does her annual address which of course I can't play because it's all in Dutch. And so, I go to the official website and they have a video and they have the full text of what she said but that's not with the video shows now because we don't want you to get smart the video shows everyone waving in flags never oh and there is a queen here golden chariot made it pure gold and their own waiting by the way uh... panels on this uh... on this chariot have uh... slaves making offers to the queen depicted on it yeah it's great and then she goes my

2:22:06 Hello subjects of the lowlands! We are facing dire economic times. We will have to cut back since we are all living longer, we will have to work longer and then they cut out the whole middle part and go straight too so we will invest in education for the children of the lowlands and then it's back to clippity-clop clippity-clop and there all their at the palace waving to the slaves down below And the absurdity of this, as I read through what's actually happening. So retirement age up and then they come out with a right in the documentation which of course I can read because I read Dutch They did a study with TNS Nipo which sounds really official TNSNIPO Which is owned by WPP, the advertising and marketing firm

2:23:01 So essentially they bought a survey and it turns out that the Dutch people, according to the survey absolutely think it's a great idea to reduce your mortgage deduction. Right now is at 50 percent you can deduct fifty percent of your mortgage from your taxes They think an overwhelming majority of people think it would be perfectly okay to reduce that to 40 or 30 percent Hold on a second Who in their right mind would think this is a great idea if they're actually getting this deduction? Oh, I have an idea. Tax me more! Does it make sense to anybody?" Of course not. It's such a PR job but they do it so well with the golden chariot and everyone's like feeling good and we love our queen clippity-clop clippity-clop with her golden chariot with the slaves depicted on the side

CHAPTER 31 / 33 Discussion

European Economic Governance, United States of Europe

European elites, including George Soros and former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, are calling for a "United States of Europe" with a central treasury and taxing power to solve the Greek debt crisis. IMF Chief Christine Lagarde warned that the global economy has entered a "dangerous new phase." The hosts predict that the push for a common fiscal policy will eventually lead to civil unrest or conflict between Germany and France.

greece· imf· christine lagarde· george soros· gerhard schroeder· united states of europe

2:24:00 And the next day I'm like, where is all the news that you're going to get screwed with more taxes? Nothing. Pictures of the Queen, clippity-clop, clippity-clop. Well I don't see that our news isn't much better No but we do have a lot people who listen and support the show from The Netherlands so it's kind of important Continuing with Europe. So today the markets once again are in turmoil I believe the If you were to buy a Greek bond, the current rate of return is what now 125% Is that long-term bond is a little risky But it's 125 percent return. I know was 80%. Last time I looked at it. No, it's not 125 percent

2:24:54 So now we are in economic... You're basically putting, this is basically taking your investment money and putting it on red. Yeah right red definitely red not black but of course what is now what has been planned for a long long time since 1956 is to consolidate the political power And Stek actually, one of our legal listeners pointed out that the term European economic governance is the same as EEG which is synonymous to brainwave scanning and brain manipulation. I thought that was kind of interesting he saw that EEG, European Economic Governance but here are some quotes

2:25:41 to tell you, because they're just coming out and saying it. This is from Luxembourg Finance Minister Frieden It's become obvious that this base... That this has been the plan all along If you have a currency union You certainly also need more elements of political and economic unions That was clear from the outset when we started this project some 10-15 years ago! Okay? Then we have former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder The current crisis makes it relentlessly clear we cannot have a common currency zone without a common fiscal, economic and social policy. We will have to give up national sovereignty. From the European Commission we should make a government which would be supervised by the European Parliament and that means a United States of Europe!

2:26:34 Now you can go back in our show notes and see that we have consistently called Europe the United States of Europe. Now let's, uh... The new IMF chief Christine Lagarde, the IMF who today just came out and said or yesterday, The entire world is on the brink of a financial collapse! This is the IMF Yeah She warned that developed economies have entered into quote, a new dangerous new phase because of a vicious cycle of weak economic growth and feeble political leadership. Without collective bold action there's a real risk that the major economies slip back instead of moving forward incidentally debt it was not mentioned then we have George Soros

2:27:22 Now here's the guy you always gotta watch. Soros warned, This will have incalculable political consequences, leaving no room for discussion. There is no alternative but to give birth to the missing ingredient a European treasury with the power to tax and therefore borrow." That is what the elites are saying and what is going to happen in the next month

2:28:09 In the next month, we're seeing unbelievable history unfolding in front of our very eyes. cascade effect resulting in the civil war that we've been predicting also which is going to create World War 3. Who do you think is gonna fight who first though? That's my question. Well, it's always gonna be the Germans and the French It has never been resolved This is the one issue that just always cracks me up The Germans and the French fought during the Napoleonic Wars And this was never resolved They fought in World War 1, it was never resolved They fought in WWII, it was never resolved

2:28:49 They're still a Germany and they're still of France. Obviously these two countries cannot coexist. Hmm, who will win? We will the USA with our drones! We are number one cool with our drones I gotta give you in the morning. That's good yeah Germany and France at war yeah that's probably good that's probably it's gonna happen But will it be a traditional war? Will there be ground troops or... That's the question. Because every war, these wars have like the first world war I mean the Napoleonic Wars were one sort of war and then you had the trench warfare which was a disaster in World War One then you had modern warfare mechanized warfare in World War Two

2:29:37 Now, I don't know. Could be anything! Who's got the advantage in a fight? And what kind of fight would it be if you can't nuke each other? No. That would suck. You could cyber each other. Cyber? Yeah. Cyber. Go economic and try to break the others back economically. Can you just see...you know cyber is synonymous with cybersex. I don't think they're going to cyber each other. Like no one wants a cyber Merkel let's be honest And so there could be any, we don't know. I mean we have no idea that this has entered a new unknown area. This has always been the case with warfare historically you know somebody dreams up some new weapon or some new crazy thing and then they take over! It's the Bunga Bunga Showdown it's gonna be great to cover though...it's gonna be great to duck and cover

CHAPTER 32 / 33 Discussion

Rick Santorum, Google Frothy Mix Problem

Rick Santorum reportedly contacted Google to request the removal of a derogatory definition associated with his name in search results. Google refused to intervene, citing its policy against manual search manipulation. The hosts argue that Santorum is too "wimpy" to handle the situation and should have used his political platform to threaten Google with congressional hearings to force a change.

rick santorum· google· search results· dan savage· congressional hearing

2:30:26 Just a quick call back to the previous show. I did some research since i said i would apparently you know Rick Santorum of course if you google Rick Santorum, you come up with the first hit is The Frothy Mix as what a Santorum is. Rick Santorum apparently did contact Google about his Google problem. Well good because they should have he says I suspect that something was up there like about Joe Biden they get rid of it If you're a responsible business, you don't let things like that happen. But Google just said screw you we're not changing anything

2:31:04 You know, Google does take action against Google washing. I don't understand what the deal is here with the problem Santorum is he's such a weenie? He should be making nothing but if you know, he's embarrassed to say tell the public that this is there even though everybody knows he should just make it the biggest fuss and And if I was him I would demand a congressional hearing on this and take Google right in front of Congress and say look you've killed these things before in the past, why aren't you killing this? What are you doing what political agenda are you promoting and threaten Google. And Google would back off and that thing would disappear but he hasn't got the guts to do it I want to see that because it would be great to have someone actually on C-SPAN in Congress say look frothy mix

CHAPTER 33 / 33 Discussion

National Emergency Extension, Show Outro

President Obama signed an executive order extending the national emergency regarding terrorism for another year, continuing a state of emergency that began in 2001. The show concludes with a brief educational clip about the shortened lifespan of high-yield dairy cows and a final appeal for listener donations. The hosts sign off from their respective locations in California, reminding the audience of the next broadcast.

barack obama· national emergency· executive order 13224· cow milk· donation

2:31:49 That's the reason he won't do it. He's kind of cornered himself, he is too wimpy to take it on head-on so they're just laughing and everyone at Google goes ehh! Frothy... that should be on ABC NBC CBS frothy Nick should be allowed Alright something you will not... Before you play out I got that one life of a cow You have to play just as a little piece of education we have no educational stuff agriculturally that needs to be on this show and this is the life of the cow clip Left to nature A cow produces about 10 pounds of milk per day, which is what it takes to meet the needs of her calf. Over the years we have tinkered with her biology and she now produces about 100 pounds of milk per day This high productivity is good for business but maybe not so good for the cow The normal lifespan of a cow could be up to about 20 years But under the strain of high milk yields she wears out in just a few years

2:32:45 She's been sent to slaughter. Just like the slaves. Yeah, yeah... Milk her to death and get rid of them! And because of the actions that these persons who commit threaten to commit or support terrorism continued to pose an unusual extraordinary threat national security foreign policy and economy in the United States a national emergency declared on September 23rd 2001 and the measures adopted to date to deal with that emergency must continue in effect beyond September 23rd, 2001. Therefore in accordance with section 202D of the National Emergencies Act I am continuing for one year the national emergency with respect to persons who commit threatened to commit or support terrorism so we continue our state of emergency for another year by executive order 13224 declared today by Barack Obama

2:33:45 Well, 1-3-2-2-4. Well I guess that kind of flies in the face of what the progressive expected from this guy when they got him elected Hope and change! How you doing? Yeah And we could go on for hours Unfortunately, no one has that kind of patience. No I think they're already bored Now if you are one of the... let me see it's a Thursday so 382 people still left listening at this moment If each and every one of you were to go to Dvorak.org slash NA right now And if you felt this program is worth 10 bucks which would essentially put us at half minimum wage

2:34:29 No way below with minimum wage Please consider Supporting our show if every single one of you did that who has been listening live for the past two and a half hours We would be set, and I'm sure this will work out as it did on the last show and we'll be collecting up massive 40 bucks As rocking The chat room yeah chat room Alright everybody, coming to you from the Hilltop Watchtower Crackpot Command Center Gimel Nation West People's Public of Southern California I am your Muffin Man! I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the fog has rolled in and it is cooling off just like the economy. I'm John C. Dvorak We'll talk again on Sunday right here on No Agenda Madam Speaker do you know The Muffin Man? The Muffin Man? The Muffin Man

2:35:34 Yes, I know the Methan Man but he doesn't live on Drury Lane. Adios mofo!