1:23:26 Here is the New York mag dude talking on France 24 of all places about this. Last month Tucker Carlson, the influential far-right commentator said he regretted voting for Donald Trump He made a comment on his podcast during a conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter You and me and millions people like us are the reason this is happening right now Yes So I do think it's like a moment. I love that right there, you and me and a bunch of other people is the reason this is happening right now Do you think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? Right? I'd give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker And what's his face your boy Talking boy come on Fuentes? Fuentes! I give him some credit
1:24:22 Well, he's now came out and said he was a Democrat. There's that! I think for Tucker to spike it, you know, to toot his own horn here like oh yeah well this is all because of us the Buckley? Buckley! Buckley can you get a yard dust please?! Like us for the reason this is happening right now yes Yes. So, I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences you know we'll be tormented by it for a long time. Oh well but we did such a bad thing. And and I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people in was not intentional yes because the people vote based on what Tucker Carlson says if it was not intentional I was stooped I'm so sorry
1:25:09 Carlson has come full circle. Decades before he became one of his strongest supporters, Carlson had called Trump quote the single most repulsive person on the planet Now that is interesting So in the 90s He hated Trump Then he loved Trump now he hates Trump I think this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever will get some clicks or views or whatever." I think that's been asserted, yeah. That was just before he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at MSNBC, both outlets that MAGA Movement today considers as liberal fake news It wasn't until Carlson joined Fox that he found real notoriety on primetime of America's most watched news network. Carlson often went on vicious rants against women immigrants or people of color
1:26:06 For many liberals, charging racism has become an almost involuntary habit. A tick! That is literally the definition of racism These very same people are the quickest to cry racism Sarah Jong is an angry bigot It's not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point it's about punishing everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh But let's get back to the race thing Race Skin color Racial division Race and gender Skin color Carlson was just rebellious Contrarian I'm sorry? He calls it a vicious rant. Yeah, if you take all these- take it out of context. You could say more entertainer than commentator after all Fox News once even won a court case by persuasively arguing that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously but today reasonable legacy media take him very seriously since I didn't know that what
1:27:02 that Fox won a court case and their legal argument that it was nobody takes Stucker seriously? Yes, oh I remember that. Absolutely! That's hilarious He is a commentator Oh yeah So here is the guy from... here is the author of this piece in The New Yorker For more we can speak to The New Yorker's Jason Zengerle He also the author of Hated by All the Right People Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the conservative mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question I guess could you foresee... Why are you oh brothering? This could be fun! You have no idea No it's just that guy..I mean For one thing If i'm not mistaken New York Magazine was a Murdoch property for a long time New Yorker this is new yorker Oh that's new yorker Yeah I'm sorry It's the new yorker Oh That's a big difference yeah I'm sorry I said it wrong in the beginning
1:27:58 Yeah, isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times? No no not at all. New Yorkers is a stick-up its ass operation that's been around forever they're very serious about themselves um no it's not in the New York Times thing at all and property at all well then wait to hear what he has to say. Traveling of the conservative mind Jason thank you for speaking to Scoop first question I guess could you foresee this happening this falling out between Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson Yeah, you could because it's not the first time this has happened. I mean Tucker's relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller coaster over the last three decades as you pointed out The degree to which the falling-out is occurred and then the severity with which Tucker is now denouncing Trump? I think that's a little surprising but
1:28:49 But the fact that they've fallen out, I mean as recently as four years ago they had fallen out. So that itself isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this flurry of interest on both sides of The Atlantic about what Tucker Carlson thinks? With the BBC and The Economist we're interviewing him before he had said he regretted voting for Trump should be preparing for a 2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson? It does seem like he's preparing for that. He seems to be setting himself up for something, and I think that explains some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. Look this has been obviously prompted by the war in Iran and Tucker... There has been one sort of consistent thing with him over the past two decades and that is his opposition to American adventurism abroad
1:29:37 That was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump, is he thought Trump was an America firster. So the fact that Trump has done this you can see why Trump would be angry or like Tucker would be angry and you can see Tucker viewing this as possibly an opening for him to run in 28 and to inherit that mantle of isolationism. Wow New Yorker! It's bogus. You speak so why would you just said New Yorker take themselves very seriously? Well, they do they take themselves very seriously and they write long the ideas the magazine is designed for the thoughtful individual who likes to read There's essays in there aren't short and sweet into the point their more feature-length
1:30:27 Well, they're not actually... They're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine is quite good or the editing one of the two and so this stuff is good there. They've kind of lost their edge with the cartoons though. They used to have some of them more... Oh! Didn't they have The dog with on the internet. Nobody knows your dog was yeah, that's a classic Yeah But they've always had these cartoon editors that were top-notch and then they fire those guys and start using They lost they lost one of the cartoon editors That was one of the better arrogant character I guess he got on everybody's nerves and they put in some woke people to pick the cartoons and if you look at their cartoons are mostly
1:31:10 They're lame compared to what they used to be 10 years ago. Well, so how about this then? Could they be pushing Tucker Carlson to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind of false hope or throwing stirring the pot? It could be I mean there's somebody...I mean it is obvious that Tucker is part of it along with Fuentes who has his love-hate relationship with him and Fuentes He goes on about how grateful Wendy's is in one minute, and he says I'm sorry ever interviewed the guy in another interview. I mean Tucker's all over the map the guys like a drunk driver knew the new woker Well then this last clip may that may actually
1:31:54 explain what's going on here. They hate Trump more than they hate Tucker. So, they were eager to have that opportunity to get someone to bash Trump. I mean what do you think about these media taking the decision to interview Tucker? Does that... did they have a stoop to their level or was it newsworthy because in this day and age we're seeing influencers like Tucker Carlson having perhaps more reach than traditional media Well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker is doing the interviews. I don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives frankly but I think that Tucker... Look there are a lot of people who have broken with Trump over the years and there has always been this expectation that oh this is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture and that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's gonna happen this time. I don't think this is gonna fracture MAGA. He doesn't think so? So maybe they're not doing it.
1:33:00 I don't know, but they're taking him seriously for some reason. He's got a... agent. Who? I mean if the talent agent is getting him these gigs- this whole thing just seems so phony. Alright sorry i brought it up No, I'm glad you brought it up. I have a clip of... You know what? I kind of like to watch it myself It's like watching a car wreck. Very strange. I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz There is another guy who...you know Before you play let me play a couple character assassination clips Yeah!