Wide Awakes

1:43:29 Some kids come along and do something that blows everybody away. You're a cheap yeah, yeah That's gonna happen what do you make of the this Epstein suicide note? Well here's a clip no hold on second Here we go. I got it. New Tonight did accuse sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein write a suicide note before attempting to take his own life, the New York Times reporting that a note may exist and is being held under seal by a federal judge. Epstein allegedly writing It's time to say goodbye according to this man convicted murderer Nicholas Tartaglione, a former NYPD officer who shared a cell with Epstein in 2019

1:44:08 Tartaglione said something similar in a podcast last year. Jeffrey Epstein wrote a suicide note He says he discovered the note after Epstein's apparent suicide attempt weeks before his actual death It was in my book, yeah when I got back into the cell and opened my book to read there it was Tartaglione adding, it said something like FBI looked into me for months and found nothing. NBC News has not seen the note and The Times says it has not either in a statement the DOJ says it is hard to comment on a note It has not seen adding the department underwent an exhaustive effort to collect all records

1:44:47 Epstein's death, which the medical examiner's office declared a suicide has been the subject of intense scrutiny with many speculating without proof that Epstein was murdered. A suicide note could potentially dispel the conspiracies. The New York Times is asking the federal court to unseal the alleged suicide note which is caught up in Chartaglione legal proceeding. The times are arguing he talked about the note in that podcast and public interest in Epstein is immense I got an interview with Steve Eder. He's the one of the reporters on the byline for that story about The Note, he was on CNN listening to this Now The Times reports that the alleged suicide note was sealed by a federal judge as part of the Cellmates criminal case

1:45:32 My source on this tonight is on the byline of this story, the investigative reporter for The New York Times Steve Eder. And thank you sir for being here because I want to start with how this possible note was recovered and the cellmate apparently says he found a note in his cell tucked into a graphic novel How did it end up locked away by a judge? What's a graphic novel, is that a comic book? Yeah. It takes a circuitous path I guess to being locked away from a judge but basically the short of it is that the cellmate says he discovered the note in the days after Epstein was found injured in his cell and he turned it over to his lawyers

1:46:10 His lawyers, apparently according to a document that we reviewed tried to authenticate it. Weren't able to right away and then it ended up being moved over to his criminal case not the Epstein case but this other case that was playing out kind of parallel and ended up sort of sequestered from the Epstein proceedings in this whole other separate case for years now And in that case the judge put the letter this purported note under seal If you're interested, I have another clip that explains the process of how it got under seal. Yes please!

1:46:48 Why is it locked up in a courthouse? Like why wasn't it released as part of the Epstein document? Yes, so even before that John good morning to you. I think it's important to discuss whether its authentic or not. I want to get to that but just tell me why it's locked up first. So what happened this is that it was under seal and apparently judges have vast discretion with respect to whether they're putting something on under seal which means in the public's view. It is not in the court records if you go and right now we have a system uh, in federal courts state court two where you can literally go into the docket and look at it variety of materials well there are some materials that are sensitive that are not going to be in that docket

1:47:24 because a judge in that judge's discretion will seal it. That is what they did here, remember this involves Tartaglione who is he? He was the person convicted, he was Jeffrey Epstein cellmate and he ultimately was convicted for four quadruple murder and as result of that sharing a cell he purportedly, Mr.Tartaglione found the note reported to his lawyers, he had about 18 of them by the way over the course time and they got involved the lawyers did with respect hey what should we do with the note how do we authenticate the note should be put to know on the seal it became a subject of a lot of controversy attorneys argued was attorney-client privilege incident today communications in them seeking advice and will jeffrey have seen claim that

1:48:06 I actually, Tartaglione his cellmate killed him or tried to kill him and so what do we do? And so the judge ultimately said it's going to be away from public view. It's going to be in a vault in the federal courthouse and it has remained there for all this time. Basically a judge has under his purview right now involved in a separate case which is why he was not part of the Epstein files per se and the source here this is from a cell mate charged with Four murders, quadruple murder. Who said he found the note and is the only person we know so far to tell us what was on it time to say goodbye? So the credibility of the source... Yeah John I think that's important to talk about and at the time he was being charged now He's convicted any serving these four life sentences

1:48:51 And so you have to question what we call the veracity. Is it something that we could credit the fact that he said it? That I found this note, It said time to say goodbye and had a smiley face What am I going to do now burst out in tears They've done nothing meaning indicating what was on that particular note Well, I don't think this means very much. It's interesting though how that happened Yeah, well just kind of fascinating I guess I didn't realize it So easy to ditch stuff There's another, um... Man you predicted this so early on. About parents getting uh...