Episode 185 · Thursday, 25 March 2010

VATBS vs AQAP

As the White House cements its healthcare victory through psychological framing, a global wave of tax hikes, aviation scandals, and undercover lobbying stings threatens to reshape the West.

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Vice President Joe Biden and President Barack Obama face scrutiny following a hot-mic incident at the Department of the Interior where the administration's healthcare victory was described in profane terms. The White House is now aggressively framing the legislation as the permanent law of the land, a linguistic meme designed to equate the reform with the U.S. Constitution. Meanwhile, Democratic representatives Bart Stupak and Louise Slaughter report a surge in death threats as centralized political organizations distribute uniform media kits to local news outlets.

Charles Krauthammer predicts the imminent arrival of a national sales tax to service an $8 trillion debt, while San Francisco restaurants already implement a 4% health tax on consumer bills. In the United Kingdom, a lobbying scandal involving Stephen Byers and Jeff Hoon has exposed former cabinet ministers acting as cabs for hire for corporate interests. Aviation safety is under fire as toxic oil fumes from Rolls Royce engines reportedly sicken pilots through bleed air systems. Additionally, the World Wildlife Fund faces allegations of manipulating the $60 billion carbon credit market founded by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands.

Musician Roger McGuinn reports severe instrument damage from airline handling while the Large Hadron Collider prepares for a 7 TeV test in Switzerland. The production acknowledges Executive Producers Todd Simmons and Douglas Lang, alongside a special honorary knighthood for digital artist Paul T. Listeners are encouraged to rename their Wi-Fi SSIDs to promote the program as the IRS prepares to hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the individual mandate.


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CHAPTER 01 / 45 Discussion

Firefox Personas, Joel Spolsky Podcast Mention

Software developer Joel Spolsky mentioned the program on his podcast, leading to a discussion about potential public relations titles for him. Firefox version 3.6.2 forced an update on users, introducing a feature called "Personas" that allows users to skin their browser interface. There are concerns that these designs interfere with tab visibility and the ability to close windows.

firefox· personas· joel spolsky· browser updates· mozilla

00:01 Oh no, I'm sorry, it's not a Lindsay Lohan promo, John. Sorry. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's March 25th, 2010, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 185. This is no agenda. Four of the Roses while leading a life of fighting crime. From the Hilltop Watchtower, Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West in the People's Republic of Southern California, where there is no sunshine in the morning. I'm Adam Curry. And from soggy northern Silicon Valley, where it just rained a minute ago, I'm John C. DuBois. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Hi, in the morning to you my friend. In the morning. You know because of stuff I was doing earlier this morning I didn't have time to pull this awesome clip from you know Joel Spolsky? Joel on software? Yeah. Yeah he on this podcast he made this awesome reference to us.

00:56 Yeah, that's good to know. Clearly he's a listener, but I just didn't have time to pull the clip. But it was really cool. He was doing like the whole... Was it the... You're gonna give him an associate public relations? Nah, he should get one actually because... You know what? I'll pull the clip on Sunday and then we'll make a decision then. But it's just nice to know that he's listening. That's kind of cool. So there's, I want to point something, I want to mention something to people since I'm sure everyone will run into this situation. Have you booted Firefox recently? Yeah, booted, rebooted, I got another update. I guess you can complain about that. Yeah, well they forced an update on everybody. I hate it when they do that. It's 3.6.2 and with it they've added this new feature called personas. Oh yeah, I know I got that. I made the mistake of actually installing one. Yeah. And uninstalled expeditiously.

01:56 Well, the problem is of course it kind of screws up the tabs because many of these things bleed through the... Yeah, you can't see what's... that's exactly why uninstalled is like I can't see what... I can't even see the little X mark to get rid of it. Well anyway, so the thing that kind of got me is that I booted a different computer so they came up with these suggested personas and for anyone who hasn't seen this is just essentially designs, a little artwork that gets splashed across the top. But I noticed it was different, so I clicked on it and I didn't realize they have 2100 of these things. And on the first page of them though, I find it interesting because obviously someone has to make a decision on where these things go. So why is Bob Marley, even though he's

02:42 deceased getting a free publicity on page one of the persona page. I'm just just wondering you know they got a bunch of reggae. Well clearly it's all part of the upcoming referendum on marijuana John. It's a you know it's a pro-smoke. It could be. That's a good one then. Well good. I do want to give a little credit and I don't have this person's name but I have the link in the show notes on Zazzle.com, GP1477 is his username there. And he has made a number of No Agenda coffee mugs, which actually, let me send you the link, because, and the reason I bring this up is twofold. One, it's, you know, obviously it's another effort to promote the show, which we always appreciate.

CHAPTER 02 / 45 Discussion

No Agenda Merchandise, Zazzle Coffee Mugs

A listener using the handle GP1477 on Zazzle.com created custom coffee mugs featuring show themes like HAARP. The production model for the show remains "open source," encouraging listeners to create and sell their own merchandise or apps. Creators are asked to voluntarily share a portion of their profits with the show rather than the hosts managing a traditional storefront.

zazzle· coffee mugs· merchandise· open source· branding

01:56 Well, the problem is of course it kind of screws up the tabs because many of these things bleed through the... Yeah, you can't see what's... that's exactly why uninstalled is like I can't see what... I can't even see the little X mark to get rid of it. Well anyway, so the thing that kind of got me is that I booted a different computer so they came up with these suggested personas and for anyone who hasn't seen this is just essentially designs, a little artwork that gets splashed across the top. But I noticed it was different, so I clicked on it and I didn't realize they have 2100 of these things. And on the first page of them though, I find it interesting because obviously someone has to make a decision on where these things go. So why is Bob Marley, even though he's

02:42 deceased getting a free publicity on page one of the persona page. I'm just just wondering you know they got a bunch of reggae. Well clearly it's all part of the upcoming referendum on marijuana John. It's a you know it's a pro-smoke. It could be. That's a good one then. Well good. I do want to give a little credit and I don't have this person's name but I have the link in the show notes on Zazzle.com, GP1477 is his username there. And he has made a number of No Agenda coffee mugs, which actually, let me send you the link, because, and the reason I bring this up is twofold. One, it's, you know, obviously it's another effort to promote the show, which we always appreciate.

03:37 But also, well first of all they're funny. So we've got, oh yeah, Mickey just says appropriately, have we Twittered that the show is starting? Oh I haven't, hold on. Live now. Oh this is interesting. I like the coffee cup that says ask me about harp. That's a good one. So by the way I wanted to mention the... Well before, just before I finish, I just want everyone to know that this is a very, in that regard, a very open source program. We feel it's a very bad idea for us to get into the business of doing t-shirts and coffee mugs and paraphernalia and merchandise. And we encourage everybody to go ahead and promote No Agenda, sell products, sell iPhone apps, Android apps, Blackberry apps. And please think about us when you make some money. Give us a hit. We're not even telling you how much.

04:37 Just give us some of that cash that you make, if you make any. Give us a taste. Give us a little taste, give us some goodies. But that's really important because I think that is a part of our model for the future. This is the mobs model by the way. True. And your point is? It's a good model. It works. Yeah, it's fantastic. Speaking of mob, maybe we just get this out of the way right away. How cool is our vice president? He has mobster's Tourette's.

CHAPTER 03 / 45 Discussion

Joe Biden, Healthcare Bill Profanity

Vice President Joe Biden was caught on a hot mic telling President Barack Obama that the passage of the healthcare bill was a "big fucking deal." The incident drew comparisons to mobster-style rhetoric within the administration. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is also noted for his reputation for frequent use of profanity in Washington.

joe biden· barack obama· healthcare bill· rahm emanuel· profanity

05:21 You know, it's like, you know all these guys talk like that. Of course, if you don't know by now, I think it's been played everywhere on every news channel where the president is introduced by the vice president to basically announce the fact that the healthcare bill has passed. and then Joe hugs him and says, this is a big fucking deal. Yeah. You can just hear them all talking like that, right? Like Rahm Emanuel, I visualize this Rahm Emanuel and Joe Biden. Hey, what the fuck? Hey man, we'll get these fuckers out of there. It's just they're mobsters. Well, Emanuel definitely has the apparently the dirtiest mouth in Washington. He doesn't deny it. No, but

06:05 But how, you know, anyway, it doesn't matter. Tony Soprano was the vice president. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I want to go back to this personas thing. Oh, sorry. If you go on the personas page and you just mouse over anything, it changes it just temporarily at the top. We need a no agenda. Oh, persona, yes. Persona that people can use. Very good. So either Paul T or Randy or any of these artists or anybody can dream. First we have to figure out how to make it so they So you don't cover up the tabs. Yeah, the compatibility is obviously all that needs to be learned and it's just artwork. We also need more stickers. People putting stickers up. We do have some good stickers guys. And don't forget to change your Wi-Fi name, your SSID to noagendastream.com

CHAPTER 04 / 45 Discussion

Wi-Fi SSID Naming, Guest Network Security

Listeners are encouraged to rename their Wi-Fi SSIDs to "noagendashow.com" to promote the program. For security, it is recommended to use guest channels on 802.11n routers rather than sharing primary access. A standardized WEP password generation trick using the phrase "in the morning" is suggested for creating consistent codes across different router hardware.

wi-fi· ssid· router· guest network· password generation

06:59 Or noagendashow.com, I thought that's what we picked. It could be. Either one is fine. And I have gotten a couple of reports from people who are saying, you know, I found one. Now the other thing is you want the password to be generated because you know password generation, that little algorithm with WEP, the wimpiest of the password systems. If you have it as a guest channel on your router, you want the password to be derived from in the morning, all one word, and it will generate a code that should be the same from router to router, because there's a standards body that

07:45 that made that code generator a standardized thing. So anytime you type in in the morning, you should get the same code. It gives you four options. Obviously, choose the first one. It's EC, something or other. I can't, don't have it in front of me. Yeah, and obviously, don't do this on your main access, but as John pointed out on the last show, on most modern routers, on the 802.11n routers, you can have like a guest password where they can Access some of your bandwidth and some of the internet apparently yes A couple of, we want to get a couple of things out of the way, the executive producers today. Yes. Todd Simons, S-Y-M-M-O-N-S from Eight Mile Plains, Queensland. I believe he has donated before, has he not? He's a regular, he's a knight as a matter of fact, and he wants to be a double knight. So he gave it to $75.50. And associate executive producer is Douglas Lang,

08:44 24680. He's in Santa Cruz and let me see if we have a comment here. He's calling himself out as a douchebag. Oh no. He's looking for a new gig and thought that executive producer title would shake up my mojo. You know what? It will not only shake up your mojo, But it is going to get you all kinds of benefits in life because when you can put on your resume that you are an executive or an associate executive producer of a media property that is not only known the world over but is also highlighted and featured on Joel Spolsky's podcast, then you know that only good things can come of that.

CHAPTER 05 / 45 Discussion

Executive Producer Credits, Todd Simmons, Douglas Lang

Todd Simmons from Eight Mile Plains, Queensland, and Douglas Lang from Santa Cruz are recognized as executive producers for their financial support. Simmons achieved "double knight" status with his contribution. Lang joked about using the associate executive producer title to improve his resume while searching for a new job.

todd simmons· douglas lang· executive producer· donations· queensland

07:45 that made that code generator a standardized thing. So anytime you type in in the morning, you should get the same code. It gives you four options. Obviously, choose the first one. It's EC, something or other. I can't, don't have it in front of me. Yeah, and obviously, don't do this on your main access, but as John pointed out on the last show, on most modern routers, on the 802.11n routers, you can have like a guest password where they can Access some of your bandwidth and some of the internet apparently yes A couple of, we want to get a couple of things out of the way, the executive producers today. Yes. Todd Simons, S-Y-M-M-O-N-S from Eight Mile Plains, Queensland. I believe he has donated before, has he not? He's a regular, he's a knight as a matter of fact, and he wants to be a double knight. So he gave it to $75.50. And associate executive producer is Douglas Lang,

08:44 24680. He's in Santa Cruz and let me see if we have a comment here. He's calling himself out as a douchebag. Oh no. He's looking for a new gig and thought that executive producer title would shake up my mojo. You know what? It will not only shake up your mojo, But it is going to get you all kinds of benefits in life because when you can put on your resume that you are an executive or an associate executive producer of a media property that is not only known the world over but is also highlighted and featured on Joel Spolsky's podcast, then you know that only good things can come of that.

09:35 yeah no doubt about it was that it was those are our two producers yeah that's it that's it okay well you both know that you can now go out and apply our very simple formula which is this formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth And of course we highly appreciate the support and we'll be talking about more people who are supporting the show later on as we talk about the people who support our show later on in the show. So what's up for today?

CHAPTER 06 / 45 Discussion

UK Naked Body Scanner Incident

A security officer in the United Kingdom allegedly used a naked body scanner to take a snapshot of a female colleague who "accidentally" walked into the booth. The officer reportedly made inappropriate comments about her physique, sparking a debate about the privacy risks of the technology. Skepticism remains regarding whether the incident was accidental or a staged event.

naked body scanner· united kingdom· airport security· privacy· sexual harassment

10:17 There's way too much material for this show. I'm very annoyed by it. I have 15 clips that we're obviously not going to get to. 16. Right, there was an extra one. A bonus. Well, there's a couple things. We could start just to ease into it with the most emailed article of the week. Which, without a doubt, would have to be the naked body scanner incident in the United Kingdom. So for those of you who don't know exactly what happened, and I find this whole story to be very sketchy.

10:53 Apparently a security colleague zapped his female colleague when she accidentally, which is the thing that sounds kind of sketchy. Yeah, that's the fishy part. Yeah, accidentally walked into this booth. Yeah, that has a revolving door that locks you in. It's like, this is nothing accidental, I don't think. But if it is, then it just proves you don't really have to stand up, you know, like an incarcerated felon with your hands above your head on the two yellow footprints. And then he got a snapshot of her and I guess he said something to the effect of, nice rack. And of course everyone's falling over this because that means that obviously you can see the nice rack in these naked body scanners.

CHAPTER 07 / 45 Discussion

Schiphol Airport, High-Resolution Scanner Data

Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam has delayed the full implementation of naked body scanners due to network infrastructure limitations. Sources suggest the scanners generate extremely high-resolution images that require significant bandwidth to transmit to remote viewing rooms. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding whether these high-resolution images are permanently stored by airport authorities.

schiphol airport· amsterdam· naked body scanners· data transmission· rfid

11:46 And I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I don't like the fact that this is an accidental thing. It just doesn't make sense to me. You don't just accidentally walk into it. Oh, like I couldn't walk around it. I couldn't go any other direction. I had to get to the other side and had to accidentally walk through it. Yeah, no, the whole thing is sketchy. I think this is maybe even a plant. Well, I did get some interesting inside information from... I have a couple of friends who work at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. And I remember I had discussed on the show that I flew from Amsterdam to Los Angeles

12:24 the airport that allowed the crotch bomber to get on board. Right, and you mentioned there's no... Yeah, there was no naked body scanner. There was no naked body scanner. No, there were two regular metal detectors and I did get a pat-down, although I did not receive any happy ending in the crotch there, so they didn't check to see if I was a potential copycat crotcher. The reason why those have not been installed yet, check this out, is they have to upgrade their network. So of course I have sysadmin friends everywhere.

13:05 That's what we cater to. Well, yeah, they're the ones that are truly going to save the world at the end of the day. And he says, no, the network could not handle the amount of data because the way it works is they take a picture of you and then they ship that data over to the room where they actually look at you. And of course, he will not tell me if they store it or not. He actually doesn't. She says he doesn't know if they store that photograph. But the fact that the network can't handle it tells me that these are very high resolution pictures. Very high resolution. So that just makes you wonder. Huh. Yeah, they would have, well see, and they deny that, but they're not, it's not as though they're running you through that thing like there's no tomorrow.

13:55 You know, I mean, that's in there. Okay, hold your hands up and then they make you know, and it takes like a minute in the year is stuck in there and then you leave and I mean, how much data does it be? I mean, it's got to be hundreds of megabytes for it to be that slow. I said, or just a poor algorithm possible possible. I just thought that was interesting. He also said that... Or the third option, by the way, that could be BS and maybe the network's got nothing to do with it. They just don't want, you know, there's just something else wrong with them. No, he wouldn't, he wouldn't. No, that's, I think that's true. I know, maybe that could be the official line that he picked up.

CHAPTER 08 / 45 Discussion

RFID Bag Tags, Roger McGuinn Guitar Damage

Airports are increasingly embedding RFID chips in luggage tags to track bags through sorting systems. Travelers are advised to remove these tags after flights to prevent ongoing tracking. Musician Roger McGuinn recently experienced severe damage to a valuable guitar in a metal case during air travel, for which the airline refused to provide reimbursement.

rfid· bag tags· roger mcguinn· airport security· luggage damage

14:31 But it may not be the real reason he also mentioned that when you leave the airport you definitely would like to take those bag tags off because he says that most airports now do embed RFID in them so really important yes people Airport certainly does Now and that does make some sense obviously You know so that they keep track of your bags as they're going through all the different Bag smashers. Hey, that's Dvorak's. Let's try stomp on it for a moment. I need to know which one to stomp on. uh... but you definitely might want to take it off because i thought i would have to have a story for roger mcguinness still worked about this he really feels a rise of guitar player most people know him and he was apparently flew into london or something but one of these places and he has a one of his new most valuable guitars in a metal case

15:27 He opens it up, the guitar is smashed to bits. And they didn't even reimburse him for it, did they? No. Bastards. They say he must have packed it that way. Yeah. Hey man, you don't know how to pack your guitar in a metal case. You know, oh well, forget about it. So I'm presuming the one thing you might want to talk about and is the passing of the health care bill. I think a lot of our audience will definitely want to hear our take on it. Hold on a second. So I'm like, I just clicked on to get the list of the clips with this new 3.6 whatever the heck it is browser. And I get all kinds of weird little rollover things that just popped up and then disappear. Like some, I don't never mind. I don't want to get into it. So I play a little clip because you know, so and this will lead into something that maybe we can talk about later. But the president actually announced the passing of the health care bill twice. Did you know that?

CHAPTER 09 / 45 Discussion

Barack Obama, Law of the Land Meme

President Barack Obama held a second, less-publicized celebration for the healthcare bill at the Department of the Interior. During his remarks, he repeatedly used the phrase "law of the land," a term the hosts identify as a linguistic meme. This phrasing is viewed as a psychological effort to frame the legislation as having the same permanent, supreme status as the U.S. Constitution.

barack obama· healthcare reform· law of the land· constitution· department of the interior

16:25 No. There were two celebrations, yeah. That's because there were two health care bills. And two Obamas. This was the other guy. It might have happened simultaneously for all we know. No, he did another celebration as they call it. I picked this up from Associated Press because there's a meme that I've been following and this meme showed up and it said that he, you know, later at a second celebration Obama said dot dot dot. And I was like, second celebration? What's that? And of course, HandyC-Span.org's television archives helped me find it. He was at the Department of the Interior.

17:02 And I just, it's a relatively short clip, about 45 seconds. Joe Biden introduced him and I just want you to hear the meme and I think I know why this is cropping up and, and, well anyway, just listen to the clip for a second. So here's the second celebration, the one you did not see on television. Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama. Thank you everybody. I could have cut the applause out but I felt it was important to set the stage. We want to do this twice because there's so many people we have to thank. And as I look around the room we've got leaders of labor who helped to make this happen. We've got ordinary folks who knocked on doors and

18:05 Made phone calls at the last minute to get this thing over the top. My extraordinary members of my cabinet, we've still got some additional members of Congress who helped lead the charge on this. There's my staff, who I see are still here. At any given moment I thought they were going to quit. Okay, wait for it. But they just stuck it out with me. So the main purpose here is to say thank you. And thank you on behalf of the American people. After a century of striving, after a year of debate, after a historic vote, health care reform is no longer an unmet promise. It is the law of the land. It is the law of the land. Well there you have it. And I've been watching this one, the law of the land. Oh, you and the law of the land thing. Well I think I know what it is.

19:00 And you can I put a couple links in the show notes no agenda show calm and you can see how often this This law of the land meme is being propagated by the way only in this administration. I believe That you know, I can almost visualize the talking points Being handed out because this is such a an issue regarding the Constitution whenever there is a law passed that that is deemed possibly unconstitutional or can be, you know, they have to set this in people's minds saying this is now basically a constitutional move. The law of the land, as the founders described the constitution, they called it the supreme law of the land.

19:45 And I went back and I have all the links to show this. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and I believe that this constant incessant use of law of the land is to embed into people's minds that this is now a constitutional move. Your right to health care is the law of the land. Timothy Geithner does the same thing when he talks about the Federal Reserve Act. It's the law of the land, like it's a constitutional move. Yeah, I think you're on to something with this thing. So just keep your eye on it. I'm yeah, no, I mean, we've noticed it before we pointed out like about a month ago when we first started seeing it crop up.

20:22 And we did a little research and then I haven't paid attention because they are sneaking it by you. It's programming, you know, it's real programming. I know, this is what we do on this show and I hope people pay attention to it because we're finding this stuff constantly. I mean, it's essentially what we try to, you know, it's just an awareness thing and the Law of the Land thing has slipped by me a number of times. While we're on the topic, there's a couple of interesting observations that were made by Charles Krauthammer. He's on Fox? Is that Chuck? The Chuck guy? Chuck guy, yeah. He's on Fox now. What's wrong with his face?

CHAPTER 10 / 45 Discussion

Charles Krauthammer, National Sales Tax Prediction

Fox News analyst Charles Krauthammer predicted on Bill O'Reilly's program that the U.S. will eventually implement a national sales tax to address the growing deficit. He argued that with the national debt reaching $8 trillion and healthcare costs adding trillions more, a "river of revenue" will be required. Krauthammer suggested a presidential commission would recommend this tax after the upcoming elections.

charles krauthammer· fox news· national sales tax· deficit· bill o'reilly

19:45 And I went back and I have all the links to show this. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and I believe that this constant incessant use of law of the land is to embed into people's minds that this is now a constitutional move. Your right to health care is the law of the land. Timothy Geithner does the same thing when he talks about the Federal Reserve Act. It's the law of the land, like it's a constitutional move. Yeah, I think you're on to something with this thing. So just keep your eye on it. I'm yeah, no, I mean, we've noticed it before we pointed out like about a month ago when we first started seeing it crop up.

20:22 And we did a little research and then I haven't paid attention because they are sneaking it by you. It's programming, you know, it's real programming. I know, this is what we do on this show and I hope people pay attention to it because we're finding this stuff constantly. I mean, it's essentially what we try to, you know, it's just an awareness thing and the Law of the Land thing has slipped by me a number of times. While we're on the topic, there's a couple of interesting observations that were made by Charles Krauthammer. He's on Fox? Is that Chuck? The Chuck guy? Chuck guy, yeah. He's on Fox now. What's wrong with his face?

21:00 Well, he has, I don't know what, he's disabled, he's in a wheelchair and he's got some, I forgot what it is that he has, but he's been that way for a long time. And he is, I've always thought that as an SAST, he is one of the really great, logicians and essayists that we've seen for decades. He definitely seems to be very well informed. I do enjoy listening to him. He's like an NC, he's like a very, yeah, he seems to be... Very well connected so he has a lot of it, but he does he does he looks for the stuff that we look for which is Kind of behind the scenes what might be going on. I want to play a couple clips that are kind of interesting Especially this one which is coming tax you see K0 clip play this hold on a second John. I can't find oh

21:55 CK zero. Okay. Got it. Here it comes. Sorry. To reduce the deficit. We now have eight trillion dollars in debt. CBO has said that even without health care, we're going to add another nine trillion in a decade. You add in health care, it's another two and a half. He knows that if you don't do anything about it, we're going over a cliff. So he's appointed a commission. It reports after the election, remember, after the election. And I predict that the major recommendation is going to be a national sales tax. There's no other way to produce the revenue they're going to need. It's a river of revenue. The Europeans have it. We are going to have it. A river of revenue.

CHAPTER 11 / 45 Discussion

Value Added Tax, European vs US Taxation

The potential introduction of a Value Added Tax (VAT) in the United States is compared to existing systems in Europe, where rates reach 19% in the Netherlands and 21% in Belgium. Unlike a simple sales tax, VAT is applied at every stage of production and distribution. While European taxes are high, the cost of living in the Netherlands is perceived by some as more manageable than in high-tax states like California.

value added tax· vat· netherlands· belgium· california taxes

22:37 Yeah, river of revenue. He brought this up early in this conversation. This is all off of O'Reilly. And he brought up earlier that there's, and we've talked about this I think about a year ago about the potential for a value added tax in this country. I don't know what you said or how we concluded, but according to him, there's no other way of getting the river of revenue, which is what it would be. So in other words, for example, in California where we have a 10% personal income tax and locally we have a 10% sales tax plus. there's taxes on gasoline and a million other things. I mean, you can't do anything. You buy a can of water and you have to pay a nickel for the can, just for the can, just for access to the can because of the bottle bill that some idiots produce in the state. And a value, I was just going to say, a value added tax, which I have dealt with for most of my life, the Netherlands has it, Belgium has it, United Kingdom has it.

23:38 It's also known as VAT or in Gitmo Nation Lowlands, BTW. It's actually 19%, I believe it's still 19% in the Netherlands, 21% in, 21%, almost a quarter in Belgium. And what's interesting about a value-added tax is it gets added every step of the way in the process. So if you buy a car, every piece of that car is sold with a value-added tax to the next person. Now, there are certain cases where businesses can deduct that, but the money is still flowing because you don't get to just not pay it. You have to pay it and then you can get a refund of that later. But every product, everything you do, it's not just the 19 or 20 percent that's added on, it's the aggregate of all of those value-added tax additions all the way down the line until the final product is in your hands. Yeah. So it's huge. What would you pay for a-

24:36 What would you pay for a car? Like you say you bought... Oh, well, a car might not be the best example because they have very specific extra taxes in Europe for gas guzzlers. They have extra gas guzzler tax. But just think of a pie. You know, you buy the pie but the apples were purchased with the value-added tax. Everything is going to be much more expensive. everything. Streamlined sales tax dot org, which is another thing. I mean, we are going to be, I would say that although already most people that calculate these things say that we're paying about 55% taxes on everything we do. This could be up to, because we're getting, you know, the value added tax in England, they don't also have a state tax and a local tax as much as we do.

25:39 They do, no they do, they have council taxes. Are they as much as ours? Is it 10%? Well it's not over income, it's for services and it could easily be a couple thousand a year. Just if you're living in a certain area you're going to pay council taxes. But they... Was that any different than property tax? You have to pay it even if you're renting, you have to pay council tax. But most people believe that we pay more tax, even though we like to think that the Europeans are taxed to death. Most people that look at the numbers say we are one of the highest taxed countries. Let me tell you how it feels. When I go over to England, everything is outrageously expensive. And of course I'm taking the

26:26 conversion of the dollar to pound into account. But when I'm in the Netherlands, even though the euro is still around 1.35 I believe to the dollar, it still feels cheaper than the United States. Except for things like gasoline, which is outrageous. You know, it's like three times as much here I'm like, yeah, fill up that fill up that Range Rover. Yeah, that's pumped put it on sport mode. Yeah, who cares? Let's gas guzzle. I love it. But when you know that kind of stuff is is unaffordable, but on the other hand You have to go through so many hoops and some things are so incredibly expensive but still all in all I would say cost of living feels

27:10 less expensive in Gitmo Nation lowlands. A few years ago I went to England when the pound was really out there and it was like I had actually, and I had the opportunity to just go to Holland and stay there. I actually scooted out of England prematurely because I was almost feeling the money. pulled from me while I was standing. And you just sense that, I mean, it just, how expensive it can be when the, oh, the pound is now buck 45, which might help a little, it's extremely expensive. And I never felt that it was like, that I was getting ripped off constantly when I was in Holland.

27:50 I mean, you know, it's like, you know, when you buy a hot dog on the street or stuff like that, you can really see the difference when the hot dog is six bucks versus a couple, you know, a buck and a half or whatever. Yeah. On the other hand, of course, the food you actually buy in Holland is cardboard stuck together with the glue. It's not actual food. I mean, I don't know what they sell there at the Albert Heine. Well, no, I'm just telling you, I mean, even the fruit is like, this is not real. You know, this is fake. It all tastes fake. I don't know what's going on, but. Nasty stuff. Well, anyway, so value-added tax is coming and it's going to do go the way all these once they get in once it gets entrenched You can't get rid of it. So that's gonna be a problem and it'll start off low Like it's only gonna be 3% 3. it's only pennies. It's just pennies

28:37 Right. And then every year it'll crank up and crank up and before you know it, it'll be what it is in Belgium, which is 20%, which will be on top of the 10% here. 21, 21%. 21%. It'll be on top of the 10%. We're already paying in California. They're probably jacked that up too because You know, people aren't buying as much because people won't buy as much when they have to pay these kind of taxes. And because they're not paying, you know, buying as much, you're not collecting as much taxes. So let's jack the taxes up even more. So we'll be, you know, you to buy a one dollar product is going to cost us probably about a buck seventy five. So.

CHAPTER 12 / 45 Discussion

San Francisco Health Tax, Restaurant Tipping

San Francisco restaurants have implemented a 4% "health tax" on bills to cover mandated healthcare for workers. This surcharge, combined with high state and local taxes, has led to frustration regarding the total cost of dining out. One host describes a new personal policy of calculating tips based on the pre-tax subtotal rather than the final taxed amount to mitigate rising costs.

san francisco· health tax· tipping· car rentals· cost of living

29:15 In California, in San Francisco, and you and I talked about this on the show previously, there's a mandate, I guess a citywide mandate that restaurants provide health care for their workers and for at least a year that we've been talking about it you will see on your bill many restaurants do this it's called the health tax and they actually add I think 4% to your bill saying and sometimes I put a little smiley face saying sorry you know we're being forced to do this we're being forced to provide health care that apparently is not going to go away even I've heard

29:52 that they're going to continue to charge that. It's gotten so bad in California with taxes. I'll give you two examples. One, I rented a car. The advertised price is $192 a week. By the time you're done and I've put the gas in, it's $400. And yeah, there's some of that stupid insurance that you almost can't get out of, but the taxes, you've got tourist tax and state tax, and there's like 18, 19% of tax on there already. And the other thing, and I hate to say it, but this is the way, I just can't do it anymore. When I leave a tip in a restaurant, I leave the tip over the amount before taxes. Screw it.

30:32 I'm not going to do it over the entire amount because there's 20% extra tax money on that bill. And I'm a big tipper. But I'm doing it over the amount before taxes. I'm not doing it over the whole amount anymore. I just can't. It's driving me nuts. So that's how it's going to hurt the economy too. Yeah, no, there's a, it's just, this is, taxes have never helped anybody's economy. All it's good for is to keep, you know, just to keep a welfare state alive. But we're talking about that sort of thing. I have a clip here that's kind of interesting. Let me go back to my clip list.

31:10 The cow cost cutting, this is what people should always be looking out for. This is a clip I heard on, it was really abhorrent, and I love the word apparently. News item that was on a local news channel about the University of California educational system and what they're gonna have to change And it was the whole story developed out of the idea that Cal may Let people graduate with a bachelor's degree in three years I don't know I mean you could always graduate in two or three years if you wanted to just crank up your you really it's do all your credits so I don't see how this is new but but just play this clip and listen to the subtext and

CHAPTER 13 / 45 Discussion

University of California, Cost-Cutting Propaganda

The University of California system is considering a three-year bachelor's degree program as a purported cost-cutting measure. However, critics argue the plan is actually a revenue-generation strategy that includes increasing out-of-state enrollment and offering financial aid to illegal immigrants. The media's framing of these changes as "cost-cutting" is characterized as a failure to analyze the actual financial impact on California residents.

university of california· ucla· tuition· illegal immigrants· education

30:32 I'm not going to do it over the entire amount because there's 20% extra tax money on that bill. And I'm a big tipper. But I'm doing it over the amount before taxes. I'm not doing it over the whole amount anymore. I just can't. It's driving me nuts. So that's how it's going to hurt the economy too. Yeah, no, there's a, it's just, this is, taxes have never helped anybody's economy. All it's good for is to keep, you know, just to keep a welfare state alive. But we're talking about that sort of thing. I have a clip here that's kind of interesting. Let me go back to my clip list.

31:10 The cow cost cutting, this is what people should always be looking out for. This is a clip I heard on, it was really abhorrent, and I love the word apparently. News item that was on a local news channel about the University of California educational system and what they're gonna have to change And it was the whole story developed out of the idea that Cal may Let people graduate with a bachelor's degree in three years I don't know I mean you could always graduate in two or three years if you wanted to just crank up your you really it's do all your credits so I don't see how this is new but but just play this clip and listen to the subtext and

31:55 What would you say to a three-year bachelor degree? It's an idea the UC system is considering to cut costs. The Special Commission is looking at several proposals including charging extra for popular campuses including Cal and UCLA, offering more online online classes and part-time programs, establishing financial aid eligibility for students who are illegal immigrants, and boosting enrollment of out-of-state students from 5 to 10 percent because they pay a lot more in tuition. Alright, now let's, you heard it, right? Yeah, I did. Where, anywhere in that story is cost-cutting? Nowhere.

32:38 There was no cost cutting. They used the term, well, Cal's going to do cost cutting. This is a total piece of propaganda. There's no cost cutting. They're going to increase revenues. There's not one mention of cost cutting, but yet the story was about cost cutting. In fact, we're going to ram more students through because we're pumping them out the door. We're pooping them out. Yeah, we're going to have more foreign students because they pay more money and we're going to also find ways for illegal aliens, I don't get that, to get through the system. So we're going to, you know, because they obviously, you know, Cal years ago gave up on actually trying to get, to educate the students of the state of California because they're rascals, you know, they would learn a few things and then they'd start protesting.

33:22 uh... so they'd rather have to you know people from overseas a you know they're worried about getting deported or illegal aliens that would be worried about uh... getting turned in But this is a classic example of the news media. I don't know how they bought this story as cost-cutting and I found the whole thing to be just a... Well you know what, they probably literally bought the story. It was probably one of those electronic press kit stories that is ready to go and they just and they subscribe to the service and they're like, oh here's some news we don't have to do anything let's just play this. They probably actually bought it. Well the best example of that this week

CHAPTER 14 / 45 Discussion

Bart Stupak, Vandalism and Death Threats

Democratic representatives Bart Stupak, Louise Slaughter, and Gabrielle Giffords reported receiving death threats and experiencing vandalism following the healthcare vote. News outlets across the country utilized identical pre-packaged video segments and sound bites to report on these incidents. The uniformity of the coverage suggests the use of electronic press kits potentially produced by centralized political organizations.

bart stupak· louise slaughter· gabrielle giffords· death threats· vandalism

33:58 and I have a clip of this. This will be my last clip for a while. I first saw this story on the network news, I saw it on CBS, and I saw the story on, I think it was NBC. Then I started seeing the story, exactly the same story, excuse me, with the exact same clips on the local news, and I saw it on a different local, exactly the same. And the, the this is the the clip which is can false flag bull crap in congress clip okay and i i i saw this happen yesterday as well here comes and the day he did this mister steampack death threats from pro-life callers started pouring into the office of michigan's bart stew pack as soon as the anti-abortion rights democrat announced he'd vote yes i hope you die there are millions of people across the country

34:56 who wish you ill. You are cowardly punks, Duvac. That's what you are. You and your family are scum. Democrat Louise Slaughter received one call threatening to, quote, kill the children of the members who voted yes. Her headquarters in Niagara Falls, New York, is one of four Democratic offices around the country that have been vandalized. Among Among them, the Tucson, Arizona headquarters for Congressman Gabrielle Giffords, where windows were smashed. We've got to take a timeout, folks. We've gone too far in certain areas, and this should not be tolerated. Democrats accuse their GOP colleagues of inciting such acts with inflammatory rhetoric, like Texas Republican Randy Nagabauers' outburst on the House floor Sunday night.

35:42 shouting baby killer when congressman stupak was speaking the vast majority of american people so no the funny thing was about this story they couldn't even get a good sound bite from the baby killers shout out and they played this good Couldn't hear anything, but the point is they every one of these news outlets had the exact same package and the same exact same sound bites Yeah, I saw I saw this on this What's the guys in the Ed show or whatever I heard the same things it was all over the place Yeah, it was the exact it wasn't like they some news guys said well Let me try to find some other stuff out. No it was the exact same package who produced this thing and

36:24 Yeah, that's the big question. Was it the White House? That's the big question. And you know what gets me? And I don't think we should dwell on this too long because at the end of the day, look, our system is our democratically elected representatives voted for this and now we got to live with it. So, you know, we'll keep our eye on it and we'll see what happens. But what's interesting to me Is of all these news organizations who are apparently running these pre-packaged sound bites and stories which really have nothing to do with, you know, look, it passed, okay? So what I'm looking for, and I scanned all the channels all weekend long for the past two days, I'm also looking

CHAPTER 15 / 45 Discussion

Healthcare Coverage, John Dingell Control Quote

Despite reports that 32 million Americans will gain insurance, the media has struggled to find individuals currently benefiting from the new healthcare law. Congressman John Dingell of Michigan made a controversial statement during an interview, suggesting that the administrative steps of the legislation are necessary to "control the people." This phrasing is interpreted as a reveal of the government's true intent behind the reform.

john dingell· healthcare bill· insurance coverage· social control· michigan

37:07 There were 32 million Americans who apparently could not get coverage and now can get coverage. There were hundreds of thousands if not millions of children, specifically I hear children with pre-existing conditions who could not get health care. Why am I not seeing a single one of the of 8% of the population in America being interviewed on television? Why do I not see a single person saying hey, I'm so happy. This is awesome. I'm getting health care Why have they not been able to present one person to me one of the 32 million that is being reported not a city? No, can the news me go down walk? You should be able to bump into someone you should be just be able to hold your microphone in the air and say I

37:51 Are you getting health care now? Yeah, and I'm really happy about it. Why am I not seeing these 32 million people anywhere? That to me is weird. Yeah, I know there's there. I don't know what the end game is here with this. The way I do. I do. OK, well, tell us. Here's the end game. This is a piece of audio from Congressman John Dingell. Some might say Dingell. uh... who is a congressman for michigan and listen very carefully to what he says in this clip you'll be uh... reasonably astounded uh... on a second for some reason here comes are we ready to let seventy two thousand more people die in our country if eighteen thousand died or whatever the number is uh... the figure that anyone comes

38:40 This is obviously a per year interview. It's up with per year because of a lack of health insurance or health care when this bill doesn't basically take effect until 2014. Paul W., we're not ready to be doing it, but let me remind you, this has been going on for years. We are bringing it to a halt. The harsh fact of the matter is when you're going to pass legislation that will cover 300 American people in different ways. It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people. There you go.

39:21 It takes a long time to put the necessary legislative steps together to control the people. We gotta control them people. Hold on a second. You know, that definitely calls for... Well if we're gonna go in that direction with this discussion and by the way I want to tell people out there we're gonna try to keep the show shorter. I can my wife said to me about the show being over two hours. No. She said she wants to listen to a show she doesn't want it to be a job.

CHAPTER 16 / 45 Discussion

Bing Li, Alzheimer's Search Costs

San Francisco authorities launched a massive search involving helicopters, horses, and multiple counties for Bing Li, an elderly man with Alzheimer's. The media coverage emphasized the high cost and manpower required for the search. This framing is viewed as a propaganda effort to build public support for mandatory tracking technologies for the elderly and mentally ill.

bing li· alzheimer's· san francisco· search and rescue· propaganda

40:05 and uh... a job listening to the show yes a job is like a young people now the thing is john then we should do that we need to go to two three shows a week so we can keep shorter i mean i i i don't know if you have to do it is just a quick well we can keep in short a bike team in short about it but let's get off of health care was to some of the but nobody go back to this control thing you have to control the people because i got a i have a clip that i've read first listen to it I realize that the initial layer when you listen to this clip, and I'm not going to play the whole thing because it's actually pretty long, it's a news item, about a guy named Bing Li who is apparently Chinese, doesn't speak any English, he's got Alzheimer's and dementia, and apparently he keeps leaving the hospital or the healthcare or the nursing home or something and roams around and they've got to track him down and bring him back.

40:54 and he's also on medication. This story is just the weirdest story, but the thing that you immediately, the thing that you take away from it or that you're supposed to take away from it, I believe, is the way they present this story as a piece of propaganda is the amount of money that goes into tracking this guy down. Play Bing Lee. A man with Alzheimer's and dementia has disappeared for the third time in San Francisco and there is quite a bit of manpower dedicated to finding him. Sheriff's deputies from three counties, a CHP helicopter, police officers on horses and motorcycles have been searching for Bing Lee. Uh, yeah. Police on horses?

41:39 Yeah, everybody. So these old Chinese guys roaming around, it's like almost 90. Meanwhile, we've got 100,000 homeless people just walking backwards completely, you know, zonked out, not knowing what they're doing. And what are the police horses are just stepping over them? I mean, what is up with that? Who is this Bing Lee guy? Well, this is a story, but I was real, I tried to take the story apart, figure out. You know, because the first thing I was going to run this thing, look at all the money they're spending on choppers and all this over this one guy, you know, will probably show up somehow. And I realized this is not about that. This is a story to get to actually get you outraged about the expense that Bing Lee is creating. And so what do we do to cut to keep that expense from not happening?

CHAPTER 17 / 45 Discussion

RFID Tracking, Verizon Marketing

Verizon is running commercials that normalize the tracking of children via mobile maps, framing it as a tool for parental peace of mind. This marketing strategy is seen as a way to reduce resistance to pervasive RFID surveillance. By setting the stage through news stories about lost individuals and helpful technology, companies create a demand for constant location monitoring.

rfid· verizon· child tracking· marketing· surveillance

42:26 R.F.I.D. Yeah, of course. R.F.I.D. That's how they're going to track if you're taking your meds. It's all about R.F.I.D. This is huge. Didn't you have a whole page of links somewhere that... Yeah, it's on the blog. Yeah, some hacker has a page of links. Yeah, I'll send you a... I think I sent you the link to the link so you can post it on this week's show notes. But yeah, so all those things you can do with RFID. And then somebody sent us some emails showing one of the companies that actually produces the little RFID tabs that they want you to put in your kids.

43:01 and well they've already got Verizon is already promoting this whole idea where you probably seen the commercial where the mom is taking her daughter to the mall and it's her first time that she's going to be roaming the mall by herself with her friends and but you're really at ease and you feel good because you can track your kid and this little Verizon map appears above the kids head you know it's like this is totally being being put into the psyche yeah yeah And news stories like this, I should remind people, are actually part of a marketing campaign. I mean, the way marketing really works is first of all, you've got to create a demand and you have to have an attitude to really do marketing well. So you just sell the bejeebers out of something. You got to set the stage first. And that's what, you know, it's different than advertising and other forms of selling. But marketing is setting the stage

CHAPTER 18 / 45 Discussion

UK Lobbying Scandal, Dispatches Expose

Channel 4 in the UK aired an undercover investigation titled "Politicians for Hire," exposing former cabinet ministers offering government access for fees up to £5,000 a day. Stephen Byers, Patricia Hewitt, and Jeff Hoon were among those caught on hidden camera describing themselves as "cabs for hire." The scandal led to several high-profile resignations and highlighted the influence of lobbyists in the British government.

channel 4· dispatches· stephen byers· lobbying· house of commons

43:53 and you get the stage beautifully set up everywhere, and then you roll these products when there's gonna be very little resistance to them. And where is our media in all of this? They're a part of it, they're part of the scam. In a way I was very proud of Channel 4 in Gitmo Nation East earlier this week. Although, you have to... The newspapers in the UK, I think that they really can... They operate pretty independently. I know there's all kinds of stuff being put in, but there's real good gems being published there. And they have a lot of newspapers and people are very loyal to them.

44:30 But channel 4 did an expose which I don't think you could even do in the United States because you would go to jail for illegally videotaping So they said channel 4 set up a fake company and This company is basically, you know looking for lobbyists or access to the government you know for to to get government funding for certain things so they set it up and you know, really quite well. They set the scam up perfectly and they took a hidden camera into a number of ex-ministers of parliament, even some people from the House of Lords.

45:10 And they basically were sitting down saying, hey, can you get us access? They contacted 20 people. I think 19 responded and they set up appointments with 10, including Stephen Byers, Patricia Hewitt, Jeff Hoon. These are all people who are cabinet ministers or former cabinet ministers. And they had them all sitting there literally Like, well, you know, for like three or somewhere between three or five thousand pounds a day I can get you access. Yeah, you know, hey look, I got David Cameron right into the conservative party. There's no problem with the conservatives. I can get you access. Just pay me three to five thousand dollars a day. It's unbelievable. Now these people, a lot of these people have been kicked out. They've been, yeah, they've been forced to resign. The ones that were caught. The ones that were caught, yeah.

46:01 But, you know, it's like Stephen Byers saying, I'm a bit like a kind of like a cab for hire, you know, like he's a taxi cab. But they're all it's just when you see this video and the the show is called. It's a dispatches that that's the Series name and it's politicians for hire. Thank you very much to our Producers who because of course you can only access this online if you're in the United Kingdom I sent out one tweet Three minutes later. I had a full copy so I can't obviously link to that in the show notes because of copyright and

46:38 But if you Google it, you can find it. You have to see this. It is an astounding bit of journalistic work, but also shows you how it really works. This is the kind of expose we need in this country because this is exactly what's happening. Only it's probably a lot more above board. No one's even hiding the fact that they're doing it. It's just never reported on. Yeah, well, yeah, another cheery show here on the no agenda front. I'm very cheery because at least people get to hear it. People get to be exposed to it. Think about if you didn't have this show, you'd never even hear about it. No, that's unfortunately true. It's kind of sick.

CHAPTER 19 / 45 Discussion

Yemen Conflict, AQAP and Tourism

The U.S. media is increasing coverage of Yemen, focusing on "Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula" (AQAP). PBS NewsHour reporter Margaret Warner traveled to Yemen to document counter-terrorism training, which is interpreted as a move to justify increased military funding. Despite the focus on conflict, Yemen is also being positioned as a future tourism destination and a site of strategic oil interests.

yemen· aqap· al-qaeda· pbs newshour· margaret warner

47:24 What else we got? Well, here's a couple things I wanted to talk about this week. By the way, it looks like they're cranking up the Yemen situation. They're trying to get the public to buy into a new front. Of course is beginning. They're setting this one up to look like a Vietnam War thing We're only have advisors and apparently now all of a sudden we have a new term a Q a P the a Q a P's What's that? What's a Q a P? What is a Q a P or a Q a P a Q they keep saying it and it's al-qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula Oh my god, I hadn't heard this one a a

48:01 Al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula. Yeah, they're called AQAPs and what they mean by that is the guys in Yemen, you know, we've been primed for this Yemenese thing by the crotch bomber, you know, who couldn't, who, of course, we would have never been primed for it if it wasn't for the fact that the crotch bomber failed and Even though if we look back into the USS Cole was was essentially, you know kill a bunch of sailors and during the Clinton administration and that was off of Yemen and and during that period there was a lot of chit-chat about Yemen being a stronghold in fact that I think Ben Laden himself is actually born in Yemen and Apparently stays there a lot. He's like a you know, I'm

48:51 It's probably there now for all we know. We're leading up to some sort of weirdness about Yemen and here's a... I actually took a clip just to show you how they're going to try to dramatize it. They took... and this is from PBS, our fabulous... Oh, our national treasure. Our national treasure PBS is on the news hour. They had to send, and this is the weirdest thing about it, I don't know why, or I guess she wanted to take a trip or she needed a vacation, I'm not sure, but they sent that kind of, that one reporter, that Margaret Warner, who's a fairly mousy, you know, kind of a person that you can't imagine being, you know, around guns at all, people shooting.

49:32 and they sent her to Yemen to report on the all the activity down there where they're training people and the whole theme, I only have a short clip, but if you played the whole clip, which goes on forever by the way, it's all about soaking the US and Britain for money so the Yemenis can build their forces up and so they can do this and so they can do that. I think they're gonna put the argument that well, you know all this expensive stuff that we're doing in Iraq and look at all the money through a way there and then i can't get out of this is the real place we need to be all over the world over here this is where we need to be like you know it's gonna be a lot of money but could be less money because it's not going to bring i can any merrick and so far you know we think as we've read other reports of this

50:19 They're already there doing different. Can I play this clip already? Yeah, play it play it. The end of the program with a preview of what you'll find tonight on the news hours website, but for now back to Gwen. Next tonight combating terrorism on the Arabian Peninsula. The government of Saudi Arabia arrested 113 alleged Al Qaeda militants today who they said were planning to attack oil facilities. Wait a minute 113? I love the number. Yeah, gotta love the number. Meet the face of Yemen's covert fight against jihadists These are the ranks of Yemen's counterterrorism unit hunting down al-qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or a QAP Assault on an a QAP safe house with live fire a similar raid three weeks ago netted nearly a dozen militants Authorities say we're preparing a suicide attack in the capital. I can't listen anymore. I

51:31 I understand exactly what they're doing. Yeah, I understand. It's all bull. By the way, I was looking, why is Margaret Warner going there? If she can bring it, you have a budget. It's, anyone out there who's, wants to do something for just a kick, type into your Google browser or search box Yemen tourism and take a look at the sites and stuff you can see in Yemen. They want to prepare this place. I know they're gonna, you know that we talked about this before. They're getting it ready. They're getting it ready. Are you kidding me? Oil off the shore. We've figured that out already. They're cleaning out the place as best they can, but as a tourism destination, this place is unbelievable. And don't forget the star portal that's right in the water, right off the coast of Yemen. No, no, no. There's a star portal that's a very, very special place.

CHAPTER 20 / 45 Discussion

Haiti Reconstruction, Clinton and Bush Foundation

Bill Clinton and George W. Bush visited Haiti to oversee reconstruction efforts following the devastating earthquake. Plans to rebuild the country are estimated at $11.4 billion, with critics suggesting the funds will transform Haiti into a hub for casinos and international banks. A viral video showed Bush wiping his hand on Clinton's shirt after shaking hands with a Haitian local, drawing criticism of the former presidents' sincerity.

haiti· bill clinton· george w. bush· port-au-prince· un reconstruction

52:21 Yeah, well, there'll be some, yeah. Well, you know, and this makes so much sense in light of the fact that our two friends, you know who I'm going to talk about. Shyster show up and take advantage of people's goodwill and generosity. George Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton were in Haiti this week, yesterday in fact. They wanted to see what the good works they were doing there. No, no, they're getting their plots ready. you know, for their bungalows. And the UN is all over this thing. I'm not going to get all the way into it, but if you look, so the plan is essentially being, the plan, remember we talked about that, Haiti needs $11.4 billion to rebuild Port-au-Prince. Hello? $11.4 billion. Of the $14 million, the

53:17 William J Clinton Foundation has collected, an astounding three million has been paid out to all these other organizations. Just go look at the website. I mean it's given it to USAID, given it to UNESCO, UNICEF. The money's coming in, it's being handed off every single time. It's completely untraceable. You have just publishing some numbers. Well, where's all the other money? Where's the $11 million that is left over? And what do you mean only $14 million? The numbers don't add up. It's very sketchy. And the fact that now the UN is putting together a plan to rebuild all of Haiti, not just Port-au-Prince, which was really decimated, but all of Haiti,

54:07 with 11.4 billion dollars you know that this is going to be a Valhalla you are so right John it's going to be casinos it's going to be big banks this is the new Dubai and I would like you to take a look at this this just really shows you what kind of shysters these guys are look at this YouTube clip I'm actually I'm going to paste this link into the chat room because I want the people who are listening along right now to see this. George Bush and Bill Clinton are shaking hands with Haitian people and I don't know if George Bush, if it was a sweaty hand he got, a bloody hand, or wait maybe he just doesn't like touching black people. He wipes his hand on Bill Clinton's shirt like a nine-year-old.

54:52 It's hilarious. And he's literally doing it. He's like shakes his hands and then he looks at his hand and he goes like, and then he like rubs it really slowly right down Bill Clinton's arms and Clinton's looking at him going like, what? What are you doing? It's like these guys are preteen. They are total shysters. And if you just read what Clinton's Haiti update What he's saying that, oh, you know, this, this, America, in the time of Lincoln, America screwed this country. Yeah, unlike what you did, bastard. Both of them. This is both of them. Yeah. Total imperialism.

55:33 Total expansion, 20,000 US troops there, and of course it's off the radar. We're not talking about it anymore. Hey, how did you enjoy texting your money to these shysters? How did you enjoy sending your money to them? We just need cash. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water. Just send your cash. Just send your cash. It's sitting there in Clinton and Bush's bank accounts of their foundations, which by the way sits there for more money to be made. They have... commodities traders and all kinds of, you know, probably ex-Goldman folks who are making more money out of this money. They pay themselves outrageous salaries. It's a scam. It's an absolute total scam. 11 billion dollars. 11 billion dollars is needed.

56:23 What do you need that for? It's gonna be a nice place when they're done with it. It is gonna be awesome. It's totally gonna rock. Look on the bright side. It's gonna be really nice. And they already have all the hotel help and the maid service people there and the wait staff. Everybody's ready to go. It's exactly, you know, so, you know, people joke about me even though I can back it up with some actual factual proof about the earthquake machines, but you really gotta wonder, you know, this was a, what a great operation. You know, we flipped the switch, I'm just gonna remind everybody, the US military happened to be doing an exercise for a natural disaster in Haiti anyway. Whoa, let's just roll in with 10,000 troops initially, now 20,000 troops in there. There's 10,000 NGOs in Haiti, non-governmental organizations.

57:17 I mean this was a total setup. Either that, or they were just waiting for the earthquake to happen, which hasn't happened in 90 years, which seems like, you know, why risk it? Why spend all that money floating around off the coast? No, no, no. This is the kind of stuff that absolutely happens. And then we get distracted with, let me think, oh yes, Sandra Bullock's guy cheating with a whore. You know, please pay attention to that. Why is it that we can spend all this time on Sandra Bullock and Jesse James and the Nazi stripper, yet we can't spend any time on Climategate, which is just continuing?

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New Moore Island, Climate Change Claims

New Moore Island in the Bay of Bengal has reportedly disappeared due to rising sea levels, ending a long-standing territorial dispute between India and Bangladesh. However, historical data shows the island was a temporary sediment buildup that first emerged in 1971. Critics argue the sea level rise in the region is too minimal to account for the disappearance, suggesting the land simply washed away naturally.

new moore island· global warming· bay of bengal· india· bangladesh

58:02 It's as if this never ever happened. It never happened. I just wanted to give you the latest because I believe that this will be the new one that's going to be spread when it comes to memes. In the Bay of Bengal, the Bengali's Bay, This is a great, this one was all over the news yesterday. Of course it's nothing as big as... Oh, you're talking about the island? The island that disappeared. So I'm looking at AP, of course, our friends from the Associated Press. Yeah, it's all because of climate change. No, no, no, literally, what these...

58:45 What these two countries could not achieve from years of talking, because there's always been a war between Bangladesh and India as to who owns this island, New Moor Island. Global warming has resolved it. Global warming has... The sea water has risen up above the... It's gone because of the global warming. So I'm like, let me find out about this little island. And it's very, the thing you got to do with your Google search is when you're investing things. investigating things is you have to do a date range because Google gets but purposely I believe is so inundated with the news whatever the news is that you'll have to go through 15-20 pages to get anything so essentially just chop off this week and go back 10 years yeah you always want to chop off the current events in other words we it with the date range you just killed the which is done with the Julian calculator you if you look it up and figure out how to do it but everyone should do

59:44 be doing this. So this this Newmore Island also known as South Talpate Island wasn't always there. It actually emerged in 1971, okay? And it's not like this is a piece of bedrock. It's actually made from alluvium And alluvium is essentially sediments that build up and right after a cyclone hit in the 70s, that's when all of a sudden this island emerged. So no one really... And that's why there was a dispute over who owned it. Exactly. So no one gives you any of the background immediately, oh global warming is ruining the island. Well this is not even... it's a

1:00:32 It's buildup of sediment. It's not like a land mass that is connected. It's just, it's alluvium. I looked it up. I put the link in the show notes. What alluvium is. Well, I saw this picture and what I did, I didn't go through all this, all this trouble that I didn't know that the thing was just a thing that cropped up. In 1971. Yeah. Okay. But what I did was they said, you know, over 30 years they've been arguing over this thing, which makes sense, which, you know, the, the seventies, I guess. And, uh, But they had the calculation of the sea. They said it was rising at .01 or something, or .15 inches per year. If you did the calculation, best case scenario, somehow, even though this is probably not true either, but the oceans or the water around that island could have maybe gone up in 30 years.

1:01:23 One two three four inches maybe maybe a half a foot the tree on the left that they show It's the water is up at least five feet Because the tree there's a big tree and you can see that the water is up at least five feet into this tree And who knows if that's the tree on the island you don't know that well it doesn't make any difference the whole thing is a bunch of be ridiculous BS because we're talking about an inch maybe of seawater rise and it's got nothing to do with anything. This thing probably just washed away basically. I mean, it's the biggest bogus story I have seen all week.

1:02:04 But do just do the math the math is right in the article you can you can do the calculation with the calculator on your computer and you can see it that the number so Ridiculously low look at that tree and tell me if that's what represents an inch or two now Well, you know, of course I thought about doing that but you know doing math makes smoke come out of my ears So I just like I'll just google this place the remote sensing image of the island was taken in 1974 for the first time At the time, the island was an average of 2,500 square meters. Now this, by the way, I might remind you is when we had the big global cooling warning. So let's just take it along those lines. Everyone was saying, oh, the new ice age, oh, the ice age is coming. Am I correct, John? Yep, same period. So if you would even believe that it was climate generated, then we would be in a global cooling right now because now the island is going away.

1:02:58 The whole thing is ridiculous. It is what bothers me is the people that are just lockstep They're just locked into this a lot of them are our listeners. They are locked in to the litany locked in it's impossible to shake them away from it and Because you know why because everyone agrees, that's right. You know what John it's very clear The science is in! Science! Good reporting done by the Telegraph about the World Wildlife Fund, which is bummed out because they're having a little trouble hiding their agenda of selling 60 billion dollars worth of carbon credits. 60 billion dollars worth.

CHAPTER 22 / 45 Discussion

World Wildlife Fund, Carbon Credit Scandal

The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) is under scrutiny for its involvement in the $60 billion carbon credit market. The organization, founded by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, is accused of manipulating environmental data to profit from tax-deductible donations and government funding. The carbon credit system is characterized as a financial scam that creates value out of intangible environmental promises.

world wildlife fund· wwf· carbon credits· prince bernhard· bilderberg

1:03:53 Carbon credits. What a scam. Yes, carbon. Now I want to remind you of the history of the World Wildlife Fund set up by Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, the very same man who set up the Bilderberg Group. Yes, a scam, absolutely. And by the way, the World Wildlife Fund makes $600 million a year in donations and funding from governments and other tax-deductible contributions, which comes from our pocket, taxpayers. And this is all about, oh yeah, so we have to sell the carbon credits. They were making up, making up carbon credits, just making it up. I mean, you have to create them out of something. It's not like here's $60 billion worth of gold, here's a carbon credit. No, it's like here's all this carbon we're going to save and here's, oh, now it's worth 60 billion and we're selling it to you. I think we needed no agenda carbon credit fund.

1:04:53 Yeah, no, I don't think so. If anyone wants to do that, go ahead. I don't want any more work. Prince Bernard also involved in a bribery scandal with Lockheed, rumored to be an SS soldier. I don't know if that's a rumor. I think that's actually true. I just want to be careful what I'm saying when I don't have it in front of me. That's how far back this stuff goes. And this World Wildlife Fund is, these guys are so powerful they made the World Wrestling Federation change their name. Yeah, I know. And that's powerful stuff right there. When you can take on the Rock, man, then you know you got some juice. So along these lines, I've got one clip here.

CHAPTER 23 / 45 Discussion

American Express, Dam Removal Commercial

An American Express commercial features a mountain climber advocating for the removal of dams, claiming they destroy nature. The ad is criticized for its logical inconsistencies, such as claiming a 60-foot dam only holds back four feet of water. The hosts suggest the commercial is part of a broader effort to influence public opinion on water management and green energy infrastructure.

american express· dam removal· environmentalism· power generation· amex

1:05:52 And I have yet to deconstruct what they're up to, but there's something going on. I know that this has been going on for a while where a lot of these, I don't know what to call them, tree huggers, but naturalists, which is a nudist, that's different too. But these people, they want to get rid of dams. and re you know percent it is up to you know it was a little bit and we gotta get rid of another who were damaged and they're gonna get to take a while before they get around to that one but you know there's a lot of damage here and there are used for you know president for the word today there's purposes for dams other than just electricity generation but most of them are small generation which is it but there was this crazy add this been going around and is sponsored by american express

1:06:34 And it's about a guy, this is a commercial I recorded, the guy is an old fart and he's a mountain climber and he makes some sort of thing you can put in the rock without damaging the rock. And then but he's also a damn buster. He's like a non sequitur this commercial talks about the switches to dams and he bitches about some damn They're gonna tear it out and and but his commentary about the dam is interesting But play it We're part of nature and as we destroy nature we destroy ourselves. It's a selfish thing to want to protect nature I never intended to be a businessman

1:07:18 We made the world's best climbing equipment out of here. We realized that putting in and taking out of all these pitons was causing damage to the rock. So I made these little soft aluminum chocks that you just put in with your fingers. And I'm a dam buster. We've been working for years to take this dam out. The reservoir behind it is only four feet deep. The water gets real warm, kills a lot of the life in the river. When you take out a dam, that's a real victory. You get a concrete victory, so to speak. I get an idea to do something, I like to take the first step. If that feels good, I take another step. To do good, you actually have to do something. No matter what you want to do, Members Project from American Express can help you take the first step. Vote, volunteer, or donate at TakePart.com

1:08:04 I have seen this commercial and I remember going like, what? I don't get it. Yeah, I know. There were two things. The first thing that caught my attention, besides the non-sequitur part of it, was the guys bitching about the dam not really damming anything. It's only four feet deep on the other side. And you look up and they have a photo of this, or they have him standing there under the dam. And it's about 50, 60 feet high and there's water running over the top of it. Is this perhaps a I mean, what are dams for? They're for water management, they're for power generation. Those are basically two of the reasons you dam something. But the point I'm making is if this thing is only four feet deep on the other side and rancid or whatever he says, first of all, what difference does it make? But how does the water get up 60 feet and come flowing over the top?

1:08:52 So this whole ad is set up as a complete scam from the get-go. And if the thing's only four feet deep on the other side, you take the dam out, what are you going to have, a trickle? I mean, I don't understand the premise for this ad in the first place. And then I don't really get what the meme is that or what they're trying to convince us to how are they're trying to manipulate our thinking about the dam or this idiot or American Express. I just the whole thing is crazy. I think it has to do with power generation. I think it's you know, trying to kickstart a meme. to break down the dams and I don't know, I think water... It's just the opposite. This guy's supposed to be a greenie and meanwhile dams, if they are power generators, they should be, that's a green form of energy. It's, you know, but, you know, is this produced by the oil companies? It's kind of a twisted way of getting people not to tear dams down. It's Amex, so it's a financial gain for someone somewhere and you can bet it's not just about selling credit cards.

1:09:56 Maybe the guy just gets an erection from breaking concrete. Maybe he should be on the sex offender list. I don't know. I think people should be on the lookout for this damn thing. This is the kind of stuff that we do here on No Agenda and I think we've given you quite a bit of insight and information. certain amount of debunking but really our job is to help you see through what you are being spoon-fed and it's an actual job and despite what your wife says John I want it to be a job for people to listen because it's hard it's very hard work to

CHAPTER 24 / 45 Discussion

Listener Donations, Knighting Ceremony

A series of donations from listeners across the United States, Canada, and the UK are acknowledged. Notable contributors include Justin Holbrook, Jason Williams, and Shane Reimer. The hosts discuss the difficulty of pronouncing international names during the roll call and express gratitude for the financial support that keeps the show running without traditional advertising.

donations· knighting· winnipeg· pennsylvania· kentucky

1:10:39 Awaken yourself into seeing that most what is being fed to you is at least has an agenda and there is a reasoning behind it. Yeah, we try to and you do have to work. It's just it's hard work and it gets tiring if we do it for two for us It's tiring. Yes and depressing. Yeah, it's not depressing. I don't find that depressing at all I revel in all these things were uncovering and peeling back layers Because I know that we're changing people's lives people, you know one day beyond us I'm afraid because it will take quite a while People will just won't take it anymore and they'll just say no

1:11:19 No, I can see through this. I know how it works. And then, you know, when we're long dead and gone, we're going to get some like three foot tall statue that's going to be hidden away. A bowling trophy. A bowling... no, no, they're going to name lanes after us. Two bowling lanes. It'll be the Adam Curry bowling lane and the John C. Dvorak bowling lane. And that'll be the end of it. Great white weight be our a ITW a ITE in Seattle also for a teach actually these are 255 tens one for Anthony are

1:12:13 Justin Holbrook, Olive Hill, Kentucky, $100. Jason Williams, Pittsburgh, California, $100. Mark Magpio, Magpayo, in Cerritos, California, it's M-A-G-P-A-Y-O, 99.99, 33.33 times three, which is actually a pretty good one. Michael Gribus, Cole Township, Pennsylvania. Stephen Taff, Marietta, Georgia. Second Mile Productions, again, 5510. John Theodorsen, T-H-E-O-D-O-R-S-E. And I feel, I wonder what's, and I have a lot of sympathy for teachers in grammar school. Doing roll call. Yeah. Theodorsen.

1:13:01 See you over, it's gotta be. Anyway, Midland, Western Australia, Gerald Preeb, P-R-I-E-B-E in Bryson City, North Carolina, Hwain Hay, H-A-I-G-H. in Yorkshire, Douglas Kuhlman, K-U-H-L-M-A-N in Shevlin, Minnesota. Another 5510 from Podcast for Peace. Oh, those guys have really been... Craig Whiting in the UK, Mark Giacoma, or Jayacoma, it's, or Jacoma, J-E-A-C-O-M-A in Merrick, New York. I think it's Jacoma, it has to be. Charles Ross, there's a name. Finally, a good old name we can pronounce, love it. Shane Reimer from Winnipeg. Curiously, it came in as Winnipeg, United States. You know, and I just want to say, if I can just interrupt you for a moment, John. John and I had a little bit of a tiff

CHAPTER 25 / 45 Discussion

Administrative Challenges, PayPal and Spreadsheets

The hosts discuss the significant administrative burden of tracking donations and managing the show's finances. They have hired an assistant, "Eric the Shill," to help organize spreadsheets and ensure donors receive proper credit. PayPal's data export features are criticized for being inaccurate and difficult to parse, leading to occasional errors in name pronunciation or donation amounts.

paypal· spreadsheets· administration· eric the shill· data management

1:14:05 this week and I won't get into it and was on email so you know and I don't know if you're trying to mind control me or if you're really angry. That's my goal in life. Well it does work and and you know because these donations are very complicated to keep track of and we've you know we have Eric now by the way we call him Eric the shill Eric is working with us and really working hard on sorting all of this out getting all the names right we want everyone to have proper credit but I will say that PayPal is not the

1:14:45 It seems like it's not the most accurate or the way they set things up things come through in interesting forms particularly when you download The the spreadsheet version and it's really a lot of work we went through we must have done a hundred emails this past week working on the format for a spreadsheet that we can actually read from during the segment for supporters on the show. And it's really, really hard. And so give us a little bit of leeway if we get your name wrong. Well, if you get your name wrong, tough luck. We try. We really do try. You know what, I've always thought I was good at pronouncing names until I started doing this show.

1:15:30 Yeah, and it turns out you're not. Nobody could pronounce half of these names. I think we take a pretty good stab, but also the No Agenda stream producers, sometimes we haven't received something or there's a lot of administration and we are now taking money that you are sending us and we are paying Eric to actually help us and do this. And as we grow, I think we're going to have to have more people help us on the administrative side because at the end of the day, we suck. We just really suck at anything administrative and we really try hard in between all of the basic prep for the show. That's I mean if we could all we do is just do the show. I wouldn't even be doing show notes, which is another thing another point of contention. Yeah, there's a lot of show notes. Well, let me finish these the names here. Now this one is a rough one because he's from

CHAPTER 26 / 45 Discussion

Douchebag Call-outs, Listener Feedback

Listeners use their donations to "call out" friends and family members as "douchebags," including a 15-year-old calling out his father. A donor from Sweden requested a birthday shout-out for a hamster. Additionally, a listener complained about ampersands not parsing correctly in iTunes show notes, which the hosts attribute to a long-standing Apple software bug.

douchebag· call-outs· sweden· apple· itunes

1:16:29 Södermanland, Sweden. Södermanland. Yes and it's J-O-A-K-I-M-D-E-L. It's Joakim Dellrund. I can do these. Joakim Dellrund. And he wants to congratulate the hamster of Jomolunda with his birthday. And he actually has a little note that says, Where's my cake, you... DOOSHBAG! Not quite sure why. And this is a... That's a $51 donation, correct? Yeah. And Anthony Rico, San Diego and finally Jeffrey Glennon in Gales Ferry, Connecticut is also 50. And we have a couple of people that we left off this. We've yet to thank Gier, G-E-I-R, is that pronounced right? Yeah, Gier. Gier. And Alex Vanderhengst.

1:17:26 We apparently didn't put the van in, which isn't important to him. And probably anybody else is in that Vanderhenst family. Erica Blazinski, Samuel Vanderplank, who is a regular, Edward Jacobs, and Nicholas M. Now, Ed, we do have some comments, and this is going to chew up a little time. Some call-outs. We got a 20-year-old college student Michael Griebos who wants to call out as call out as douchebags his sister Elise, Chris Smith and Kyle DeFassis. I don't know if you can call a girl a douchebag I don't think that somewhere that feels wrong. Well here's one that feels wrong. How about a douche clutch?

1:18:15 Here's what feels wrong. Forrest Walker, or Walken, or Walker, probably Walker, you can look it on the list. Forrest, where are you? Yeah, it's Walker. He didn't give us, he's a 15 year old kid. He gave us, you know, ten dollars, which was nice. But he's calling his dad out as a douchebag. He says that would be great. Alright, Forrest's dad, hello! Douchebag! Dad's name is Chuck. So... Meanwhile... To keep this soap opera going, by the way, this is gonna die off on its own, because people are saying, you know, this is stupid.

1:18:57 Jeffrey Glenn, who was called out by his girlfriend Heather as being a loser last week, not only decided not to be a douchebag anymore, he says, but he joined the Knights program and took out a subscription and he expects to be eventually Sir Jeffrey so he could lord it over Heather. So I think that should be an interesting relationship to follow. This is yeah, we could do a whole reality show out of those two. It would be better than Fly Girls that I watched last night, I tell you that. Marco Mapaio gave his 33 times 3 for his dad. Eric Bodenstadt gave us a donation because NPR asked for a donation. I like the logic. They're doing it again. They're doing their whole drive. PBS as well.

1:19:54 There's a website we're gonna plug called howtofailatretail.com. Somebody gave us some money and said, here, can you plug this website? Let's see, Douglas Lang wants to call himself, I think we talked about that, Wayne Haag eliminate the ampersand. This is an interesting point. He wants you to take the ampersand out of the- Out of the show notes? Because it comes with and this is true a lot of times you get that amp you get that horrible and some it doesn't get parsed right the ampersand is You know what's interesting is I'm gonna leave it in because this is an Apple issue I enter these mp3 tags in iTunes. That's how I that's how I tag everything in the show and

1:20:45 And I know it shows up nine times out of ten, it shows up incorrectly, but that's something Apple needs to fix. And I figure if I just do it long enough and people get irritated enough, it will fix itself. And there's a lot of people at Apple that listen to us, by the way, a substantial amount, you'd be surprised. So this will get fixed. This will be an interesting theory. And finally, the last one is Charles Ross, who's a newbie, calls out Sam Jones. Yeah, but why does he call out Sam Jones? Because apparently Sam Jones got him into the show and has never donated. So, that's that. That's the notes in summary. That's less than last week. Yeah, well last week was a banner week, but whatever.

CHAPTER 27 / 45 Discussion

Sir Paul T, Honorary Knighthood

Paul T is granted an honorary knighthood for his extensive contributions of digital art to the show. The hosts explain that artists who provide a significant volume of work are eligible for this title. The show relies on a community of artists, including Randy and others, to create the visual identity of the program, which is archived and used for various episodes.

paul t· knighthood· digital art· no agenda art· archives

1:21:39 Sometimes... So we have no knights. We have... Well, actually, you know, I do want to proclaim a knight as an honorary knight. I think a knight who's actually paid out already because I did a calculation on all the art he's done and we agree with our artists that once they do X amount of art, they would get an honorary knighthood. I know who you're talking about. Paul. Yes, Paul T. Okay. Have you sharpened that thing? Here it is. Paul T. kneel before us as we now solemnly knight thee Sir Paul Knight of the images of the Noah agenda round table. Please enjoy our hookers and blow.

1:22:31 We really appreciate what Paul T does. Yeah, and all the other artists too. We have a, you know, he's not the only one. We got Randy, we got a ton. And if you send something, we don't use it. Believe me, we save all of it because, you know, Paul doesn't always have time. Sometimes he doesn't even like what he's done. And, you know, we try to discuss it as best as possible. And we delve into the archives and all of it's appreciated. And it's a dimension to the show that no other show has. We have real art. Yeah, and it makes us laugh. Some of it is quite good. It all it always makes us laugh. So but all of this, of course, is a moot point since we're all about to die, John. Oh, yeah. Now what? Oh, yeah. Well, Tuesday, the European research had said research researcher said next week we're going to really fire up that thing in

CHAPTER 28 / 45 Discussion

Large Hadron Collider, 7 TeV Test

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland are preparing for a 7 TeV test, involving ultra-high energy particle collisions. The hosts express concern over the $6 billion project's goal of replicating "Big Bang" conditions, questioning the potential risks of such experiments. They suggest the massive funding for the collider could be better spent on humanitarian efforts like the Haiti reconstruction.

large hadron collider· lhc· switzerland· cern· big bang

1:23:27 in Switzerland. The Large Hadron Collider. They're going for their 7 TeV test. This means it's going to carry out ultra-high energy collisions between two microscopic beams of particles at a combined speed of 7 tera electron volts. Never been done before. And I don't understand how this $6 billion... You know what? Why don't you close down the $6 billion Wheel of Fortune and give that to Haiti. I think it's gonna be a great tourist attraction. I do not like this thing No one questions it. There's never any real reports on hey, you know what could actually happen

1:24:15 When you're flipping all this stuff around looking for the big bang doesn't the words big bang like kind of warn you that if you're trying to find the big bang. That's the thing that gets me trying to duplicate the big bang. Oh really? Yeah doesn't that kind of give you a clue that this may not be a really good idea? Big Bang? Well, you know, if they actually could duplicate the Big Bang and create a new universe, it would just wipe up, let's say it wipes everybody out. We wouldn't be worried about it. At least it would be quick. At least I'd hope it would be quick. Yeah, not some slow, torturous thing like the movie The Black Hole, the Disney film that came out after Star Wars. It was supposed to be as good, but it sucked. So there's a, there's something that I've been sitting on for a couple of weeks.

CHAPTER 29 / 45 Discussion

Aviation Safety, Toxic Engine Fumes

A growing number of reports indicate that toxic oil fumes are entering the cabins and cockpits of commercial aircraft through the "bleed air" systems. These incidents, often involving Rolls Royce engines and Mobil jet oil, have caused pilots to become dizzy and ill during flights. The aviation industry is accused of covering up the problem to avoid the high costs of redesigning engine seal rings.

aviation safety· bleed air· toxic fumes· rolls royce· mobil oil

1:25:02 And Stephen Pelsmacher is actually one of our knights and contributors and supporters who works somewhere in the aviation field. He's been sending me information on this continuously, a couple other people as well. About these toxic fumes in aircraft and in fact he is saying you a couple links and i think you a copy do on the email and you said oh yeah really well i don't see the big deal and then boom. On Tuesday, another report comes out, these are continuous by the way, of odors that are filling up both the cabin and the cockpit on airliners. It seems to happen on both Airbus and Boeing's but typically with Rolls Royce engines.

1:25:51 And in some cases, in many cases actually, these aircraft return back to the field and land because of these fumes. They've even had pilots who got dizzy and could barely land the plane. And it's a huge cover-up. Huge cover-up. Because no one wants to know about it. No one wants to talk about it. and the media is barely reporting on it. Yes, there are some articles, but we need to keep our eye on this because this is a general concern. But when you get into these big things in aviation, no one wants to rock the boat because that's how you get fired.

1:26:27 But our, and I'm an aviator, our safety is at risk. And what's happening is, you know how you get air in the aircraft is through the engines. It's called bleed air and it's all, you know, you have a pressurized cabin. So air comes in through the engines and a part of that is fed into the cabin, the cockpit, and then actually it's pressurized through the tail cone and that's how they keep the pressure. I don't want to get into how pressurization works. but the air is actually coming in through, it's not like a vent or something like this, open up the vent, you know, and that's how your air is coming in. It's coming into the engine. And apparently because of leaking seal rings, which is not such a big deal in an engine in general, or doesn't have to be, the air is being passed through this motor oil, which is made by Mobil, or particular type of oil made by Mobil, and it's making people sick, and worse, it's making air crew ill.

1:27:22 And I have one, two, three, four, six links in the show notes under aviation that talk about this problem and it is being ignored. And of course something bad has to happen or maybe something bad has happened and we don't know about it. But for some reason this is such a huge problem to fix that no one wants to discuss it. And I want you to know that no agenda will be here to say we told you so when something bad happens. Or perhaps someone who's listening to the show could do something about it. What a concept. It's always a possibility. Well, talking about what you would call contamination, I have a contamination story.

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Coca-Cola India, Environmental Fine

A government panel in India recommended a $47 million fine against a Coca-Cola subsidiary for polluting soil and water near the village of Plachimata. The report claimed the plant discharged toxins including cadmium and lead. The hosts question how a simple bottling plant would involve heavy metals like cadmium, suggesting the story may be biased against large corporations.

coca-cola· india· cadmium· lead· environmental pollution

1:28:06 I was watching, by the way, for people out there, you know, so I, DeMar's watching too much TV. I do watch some commercial TV, but generally speaking, I'm watching the stuff that we report on in the show. I watch all the right wing talk show guys, I watch all the left wing talk show guys, and I watch, you know, network news and all the rest of this crap. But of course I watch Democracy Now, the War and Peace Report every so often. And they run through these stories like they're actually reporting this woman who I really dislike. And this story here got my attention. Just listen to the Coca-Cola in India story and ask yourself what's wrong with this picture?

1:28:51 In India, a government panel has recommended a $47 million fine against the Indian subsidiary of the soft drink giant Coca-Cola for environmental damage. The panel found a Coca-Cola bottling plant polluted the water and soil around the village of Plachimata by discharging toxins including cadmium and lead. The plant was shut down in 2004 after local residents successfully won a campaign for its closure. Coca-Cola has denied responsibility for the environmental damage and says it rejects the panel's recommendation. Lead yeah, what was a cadmium and lead yeah, what did they what are they bottling at this place? It's a bottling plant. It's like you bring in the syrup. Yeah, you bring the water You bring in the bottles and you put the cap on it

1:29:41 Where's the cadmium and lead part of it that nobody asks? Do these idiots just read the press release? Of course, this particular show is essentially communists that dislike all big business and the big Noam Chomsky fans. So they'll read something like this, and you just imagine whoever listens to this stuff and takes it in going, oh, those horrible people with coke put in cadmium and so they got no lead. You know, I'm thinking, how does this work? What is cadmium? Cadmium is an industrial, it's a metal. It's extremely toxic. It's used in all kinds of industrial processes, but not bottling. You remember we talked about General John Sheehan?

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General John Sheehan, Dutch Military Gays

General John Sheehan claimed that the fall of Srebrenica was partly due to the presence of gay soldiers in the Dutch military, whom he characterized as weak. In response, a Dutch group called the "Pink Army" formed to demand an apology. The hosts criticize the "Pink Army" branding as counterproductive, arguing it reinforces the very stereotypes Sheehan used to disparage the troops.

john sheehan· srebrenica· netherlands· pink army· lgbt military

1:30:36 who is, you know, there's all these, of course this isn't really in the news, it is in Gitmo Nation Lowlands right now. He's trying to keep gays out of the military and as we played on the previous show, which I think you can still see on noagendatv.com, he said, well, you know, the Dutch basically lost their stronghold in Srebrenica because they were gay. They're weak gays and they couldn't handle it. And by the way, one of these days I will really do the expose on Srebrenica because the Dutch were set up. Huge, huge scandal which people in the United States don't even know where that is. No one gives a crap here. But it was horrible, what we've seen of it at least. And so this of course has outraged the

1:31:31 the men and women in service in the Netherlands, and rightly so. However, the way they are approaching retaliation is this, I cannot believe who is in charge of the PR for the Dutch army. Because what they've done now is they set up the Dutch foundation, the Pink Army, here's what the pink army is saying. They're saying they want him to take it back and say he's sorry. This is so wrong. It's like how stupid can you be? You know, can you just imagine how this comes across on people who already think that gays are weak and effeminate? Like I'm in

1:32:16 I'm in the pink army, take it back and make him say it ain't so. It's a lie. This is so stupid. They need to take this John Sheehan and bang him on the head and hold him upside down. I cannot believe that the Dutch are so stupid. This is the stupidest way ever to approach this problem with the pink army. How about get like some general on your side to stand up and say, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. It's done for a purpose. Because they're in cahoots because they actually don't want gays in the military. They're in cahoots and the people on your side are setting you up for a huge fall second time around. It's dumb. Yeah, well, I'm glad you dug that one up for the public. No, but it's important that people see what's being done here. They're being set up by their own people. Well, at least it's funny.

1:33:11 It's not funny, it's outrageously stupid. You know, well that's that too. So I had a couple of clips I made out of the blue just to be, I was actually, should have included you into them, that when, as we were doing the show, that you could just drop them in any time you wanted. The real news teaser and the real news teaser 2. And now, back to real news. I got it! Majority of my life, no one, including girls, could span me. Was that it? No, that's the Jesse James quote, though, I thought was quite amusing. I'm sorry, I just, I just picked one. Which one is it? Uh, real news, what I did was if you want to listen to teasers that tell you nothing, you want to watch Extra. Okay, okay, well wait a minute. Tonight on, tonight on Extra!

CHAPTER 32 / 45 Discussion

Media Distractions, Lindsay Lohan and Tiger Woods

Mainstream entertainment news outlets like "Extra" are criticized for focusing on trivial celebrity stories while major political and economic events occur. Segments on Lindsay Lohan's personal life, Tiger Woods' dating habits, and Kate Gosselin's alleged plastic surgery are framed as "real news" to distract the public. The hosts use these clips to illustrate the decline of journalistic standards.

lindsay lohan· tiger woods· celebrity news· media distraction· botox

1:32:16 I'm in the pink army, take it back and make him say it ain't so. It's a lie. This is so stupid. They need to take this John Sheehan and bang him on the head and hold him upside down. I cannot believe that the Dutch are so stupid. This is the stupidest way ever to approach this problem with the pink army. How about get like some general on your side to stand up and say, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. It's done for a purpose. Because they're in cahoots because they actually don't want gays in the military. They're in cahoots and the people on your side are setting you up for a huge fall second time around. It's dumb. Yeah, well, I'm glad you dug that one up for the public. No, but it's important that people see what's being done here. They're being set up by their own people. Well, at least it's funny.

1:33:11 It's not funny, it's outrageously stupid. You know, well that's that too. So I had a couple of clips I made out of the blue just to be, I was actually, should have included you into them, that when, as we were doing the show, that you could just drop them in any time you wanted. The real news teaser and the real news teaser 2. And now, back to real news. I got it! Majority of my life, no one, including girls, could span me. Was that it? No, that's the Jesse James quote, though, I thought was quite amusing. I'm sorry, I just, I just picked one. Which one is it? Uh, real news, what I did was if you want to listen to teasers that tell you nothing, you want to watch Extra. Okay, okay, well wait a minute. Tonight on, tonight on Extra!

1:33:58 And now, back to Real News. Still to come, AH Nation addresses the ongoing issue of the state of Lindsay. She insisted she had changed. I no longer intend on doing that. But night after night, is it the same old story? Come here, Lindsay. Careful, careful. First, Courtney's kiss and tell about Sheryl Crow's Cougar wave. The story I heard was... But Dolly's life coming to the big screen? will play Tiger really date Leanne rhymes plus the real reason Tim and Reggie split

1:34:44 Did Kate Gosselin spend 35 grand on Botox and fillers? And Judge Bruno unleashed about the new women of dancing. Oh, she's a dirty, dirty girl. Pay attention! You gotta look over here! Look over here! Nothing to see here. Look at that! Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Okay, well there you have it. That's pretty much what? That's what passes for entertainment. That's what I like the Lindsay Lohan thing and you hear just screaming and you fell down. She fell down. You want to hear something funny? Here's a Gordon Brown Prime Minister of the United Kingdom which I have a little news item about.

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Gordon Brown, UK Gold Reserve Sale

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been ordered to release information regarding his decision to sell 400 tons of Britain's gold reserves at record-low prices years ago. The sale cost UK taxpayers an estimated £7 billion as gold prices subsequently quadrupled. Analysis suggests the sale was a move to bail out bullion traders like JP Morgan and AIG who were struggling with gold hedges.

gordon brown· gold reserves· jp morgan· aig· united kingdom

1:35:33 Not a little one actually. And here he is fighting and he's taking a page from the Rachel Maddow playbook. he has been wrong on every single issue about the economy. When the people look at what the Conservative party proposed, they will see that they were wrong on Northern Rock, they were wrong on the restructuring of the banks, they were wrong on help for the unemployed, they were wrong on help for mortgage owners, they were wrong on help for small businesses, and when it comes to right or wrong, they were wrong on Lord Ashcroft—wrong, wrong, wrong.

1:36:09 Meanwhile, Gordon Brown has been ordered to release information before the general election coming up about his controversial or controversial decision to sell Britain's gold reserves. Now if you didn't know, Gordon Brown when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, i.e. Treasury Secretary in the United Kingdom, when Tony Blair was Prime Minister, he sold

1:36:45 a lot of the Gitmo Nation East gold at pretty much all low price in the past two decades. Since he sold that gold has quadrupled in price, costing the UK owners of that gold, i.e. the taxpayers, about 7 billion pounds, about 10 billion dollars. So now he's been ordered to release all the information about the sale of this 400 tons of gold. Joe could be on the buyer. Well, I've actually done some research and the general thinking in circles in which I traverse, in which I travel, is that he did that to bail out, to help out his friends JP Morgan and AIG and here's the reason why.

1:37:36 Britain has traditionally always gladly, they call it leased in the United Kingdom, but essentially loaned out their gold to these bullion traders. Both AIG was hedging tremendously on gold as was JP Morgan. Now we're going back to turn of the century when all this took place. and these guys would essentially borrow it from the government. They actually take the gold, they borrow it for at 1% and then they go and sell it at a profit, you know, making anywhere between 4 and 5% and they'd sell it to India and who knows, maybe they would keep it and make some tungsten and sell that. That's all totally possible. Certainly reported as some weird stuff going on. But essentially or eventually they have to give the gold back.

1:38:25 You can't just keep this gold the whole time because you're paying, even though it's 1%, you've got to pay it back. And when the price of gold rises during that period, it becomes more and more costly for you to buy gold back to give it back to the government. And so the general thinking is that because gold all of a sudden looked like it was going to rise, Someone had to intervene someone had to manipulate the price and Gordon Brown For him because he is a product of of Wall Street and of the City of London He is he's a he's a total shill mind-controlled robot, but you get to the point Yes, he sold the gold to bail out JP Morgan who two years later not even two years who a year later got out of the bullion market altogether

1:39:18 So he sold that gold to bail out JP Morgan and AIG. And this will come out eventually if people do their homework. when he releases this information. Alright. Oh, you don't care? Well, it seemed like a dead-end story to me. It's not a dead-end. It's a huge story because people have to understand how these prices are being manipulated and the politicians are complicit. I think it's pretty freaking important. Well, if you can connect the dots, I'm... Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's not a Lindsay Lohan promo, John. Sorry. I'm just saying, it's like, you know, I should, to reiterate your commentary, well there's three minutes of my life I'll never get back. Which you say every time I roll out a dull analysis. Okay. It's a dull analysis, you don't care. Fine. No, I don't. Fine. I'll care when there's more details. Okay, fine.

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Chantix Side Effects, Pfizer Marketing

The smoking cessation drug Chantix is criticized for its severe side effects, including suicidal thoughts, hostility, and vivid hallucinations. Despite a long list of warnings in its commercials, the drug remains on the market. The hosts highlight that the military and aviation industries have banned its use due to the risk of users becoming "psychotic" or losing control of machinery.

chantix· pfizer· smoking cessation· suicidal thoughts· side effects

1:40:20 I'd rather listen to your feelings because I really think this is an important story. Let's listen to more of your clips. Okay? Let's listen to... Please, play another clip about a dam buster that goes nowhere. How about... Well, I have a Shantix commercial. Okay, I'm into that. I like the Shantix commercials. They've taken a new tact, which is interesting. This time instead of just doing the, I think it's over a minute's worth of disclaimers, this is the stuff that if you, you know, from smokers. Now they're putting a bunch of different information on the screen as opposed to what they say. Okay, can we play it now? Because your setups are so long and boring. And they also, now they have, this is a real person, not an actress at the beginning.

1:41:11 Can we play it now? Actresses. You want to say anything more about it? Can I play it now? Go. My name's Lisa. I'm from Fayetteville, North Carolina, and I smoked for 29 years. The one thing about smoking is it dominates your life and it dominated mine. I honestly loved smoking, and I honestly didn't think I would ever quit. It was very interesting that you could smoke on the first week. Chantix is a non-nicotine pill. In studies, 44% of Chantix users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment compared to 18% on sugar pill. It's proven to reduce the urge to smoke. I did have an unopened pack of cigarettes in my purse and said, what the heck, I don't need these. I said, you know, bye, I don't need you anymore. You're not my crutch, I don't need a crutch. Talk to your doctor about Chantix and a support plan that's right for you.

1:42:05 Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping Chantix. If you notice agitation, hostility, depression or changes in behavior, thinking or mood that are not typical for you, or if you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, stop taking Chantix and call your doctor right away. Talk to your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which can get worse while taking Chantix. Some people can have allergic or serious skin reactions to Chantix, some of which can be life-threatening. If you notice swelling of face, mouth, throat or a rash, stop taking Chantix and see your doctor right away. Tell your doctor which medicines you're taking as they may work differently when you quit smoking. Chantix dosing may be different if you have kidney problems. The most common side effect is nausea. Patients also reported trouble sleeping and vivid unusual or strange dreams. Until you know how Chantix may affect you, use caution when driving or operating machinery. Chantix should not be taken with other quit smoking products.

1:43:04 With the Chantix and with the support system it worked Worked for me with what's the support system to find out? This is new antics is right for you So let me just remind the audience that we have had many people listening to this show me you might be new to no agenda Chantix is evil What happens is you some some dreams some suicidal thoughts. No, you go completely bonkers You get your stoned off your ass. You're walking around backwards people waking up in places. They don't remember going to Half-eaten sandwiches. They don't remember buying you go completely crazy people have killed themselves and others while on this drug and the and at the worst is when you stop taking it the only way we have found through non-scientific means the only way to stop

1:43:53 The craziness in your head is to stop taking the Chantix and to start smoking again. That's the only apparent antidote, but it is an outrageous, just Google Chantix, an outrageously horrible drug. Didn't we also discover that pilots can't use it, the army's banned it from certain... Oh yeah, absolutely. No one operating heavy machinery can use it. But it's, it is, there are tons of stories. We had the New York Times Magazine article where the author just went completely off his tits. You go crazy from this stuff. If you're on it right now, immediately, and I am going to make this a recommendation, stop taking it and light up a cigarette.

1:44:39 And I don't want you to die from cancer, but that is the only way to stop. And then there are other ways to stop smoking. This is not it. This is a horrible drug. The other thing that's interesting to me is the stats they gave. It only works on 44% of people, which means 56% of people does nothing for. And then 18% of people could have the same effect from a sugar pill. So how much of it is psychological? I think a lot of those, a lot of drugs in general is psychological, but this is just outrageous. This stuff is so, it's lethal and it makes you completely high, which of course I think is what they're selling. When I listen to a minute and six seconds of what it'll do to you, I'm

1:45:25 I'm actually like, yeah, I wouldn't mind. Well, actually, if you remember when we first started exploring this, this product, you wanted to try it just to see what it was like. And you got nothing but email from people who have used it. That's what we got was telling you to stay away from this stuff. Don't even think about experimenting with it. There's a couple of very scary things going on when it comes to this, you know, um, Not just from Chantix, but the drug industry in general. I think we're going to bring this full circle back to the health care bill, which I just have a couple things to mention. I received a couple of emails, had a little thread going with

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Psychotic Teens, Laced Marijuana Claims

A listener working in a California hospital reported a surge in teenagers admitted with extreme psychotic states after smoking marijuana. The symptoms, which include long-term mental breaks, suggest the cannabis may be laced with PCP or other industrial chemicals. This trend is viewed as a potential precursor to a new government-led anti-marijuana propaganda campaign.

marijuana· pcp· psychosis· california hospitals· teenagers

1:44:39 And I don't want you to die from cancer, but that is the only way to stop. And then there are other ways to stop smoking. This is not it. This is a horrible drug. The other thing that's interesting to me is the stats they gave. It only works on 44% of people, which means 56% of people does nothing for. And then 18% of people could have the same effect from a sugar pill. So how much of it is psychological? I think a lot of those, a lot of drugs in general is psychological, but this is just outrageous. This stuff is so, it's lethal and it makes you completely high, which of course I think is what they're selling. When I listen to a minute and six seconds of what it'll do to you, I'm

1:45:25 I'm actually like, yeah, I wouldn't mind. Well, actually, if you remember when we first started exploring this, this product, you wanted to try it just to see what it was like. And you got nothing but email from people who have used it. That's what we got was telling you to stay away from this stuff. Don't even think about experimenting with it. There's a couple of very scary things going on when it comes to this, you know, um, Not just from Chantix, but the drug industry in general. I think we're going to bring this full circle back to the health care bill, which I just have a couple things to mention. I received a couple of emails, had a little thread going with

1:46:05 One of our listeners who works in a California hospital and he says for the past six weeks he has seen an increased number of psychotic teens who come in acting crazy like off the Richter scale crazy he says. One thing they all have in common is that when they get out, if the kids who do get out of this psychotic state, they all say the last thing they remember was smoking some weed that made them trip so badly they thought they were never going to get out of it. A number of these kids do not get out of this psychotic state and they are sent to a long-term facility.

1:46:48 Yeah, this is just beginning with a diagnosis with a diagnosis NOS psychosis NOS not other spec not otherwise specified yeah, this is the beginning of the Although it's been we've had preludes is the beginning of the anti-marijuana push you know But they're poisoning they're poisoning people because clearly the marijuana is being laced and It could be, you know, the old traditional way of poisoning people with marijuana, laced marijuana, was to lace it with PCP, which will make you this way. And they probably assume that it's like, you know, something you can get over. But I remember reports years and years and years ago about PCP-laced marijuana and all the effects it had on people. It made them absolutely psychotic, murderous. Well, look at Rodney King.

1:47:38 They couldn't keep the guy down. Right, and he was on PCP. Yeah, he was on PCP. It's crazy stuff, but the fact that they're... It seems so evident to me that someone is out there lacing the marijuana. And I've never heard of this. I've never heard of people going completely... Yes, you hear lots of people that schizophrenia... Of course there are many examples of this, but in the past six weeks, numerous kids coming in completely psychotic, freaking out, a number of which don't snap out of it. This is new. This is very new. Well, it'd be nice to get to the source of the poisoning.

CHAPTER 36 / 45 Discussion

Rotarix Vaccine Contamination, Porcine Virus

GlaxoSmithKline's Rotarix vaccine was temporarily suspended after researchers found DNA from a pig virus, porcine circovirus 1, in the product. While the FDA claims the virus does not pose a threat to humans, the contamination has raised questions about vaccine manufacturing safety. The incident follows previous concerns regarding Baxter International's accidental distribution of live bird flu samples.

rotarix· glaxosmithkline· porcine circovirus· vaccine contamination· fda

1:48:17 Speaking of poisoning, a lot of people emailed us this article as well. The rotavirus vaccine known as Rotarix contaminated with and we'll get to what the contamination is in a second but first let's just talk about the rotavirus and the fact that there's a vaccine for that. Rotavirus is basically stomach flu which you get severe diarrhea which pretty much happens to every kid and each time you get it it's less severe and you build up resistance against it. That's my understanding. I don't know, John, if you have a different understanding of Rotary. Yeah, I had it once. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you get stomach flu, you puke or you shit or whatever and there you go. And then you get over it. Now, it doesn't last very long. No, it doesn't last very long. This, this, of course, can be lethal to people who don't have access to proper water. But in the Western world in general, I think it's probably a reasonable idea to just go through it. And that, you know, adults never get it. It's really kids.

1:49:21 Although rotavirus around the world kills more than 500,000 infants annually, but yes in countries where there's poor access to water because you dehydrate very quickly, that's probably an issue. But this rotavirus vaccine, Rotarix, made by GlaxoSmithKline, which has temporarily been halted due to contamination material and I'm not quite sure how they discovered this, or I guess someone did an accidental test. DNA from the porcine circovirus 1, which as far as I can tell is swine flu. It's a version of swine flu. It's a virus from pigs, known not to cause disease in humans or animals, but they have taken it off the market and gladly let their competitor, Merck, who make RotaTek,

1:50:21 pump up the volume on their vaccine because it's not contaminated. I want to know how these contaminations occur. Yeah, this reminds me of the Baxter contamination we talked about. That's exactly what it reminds me of. Exactly. And this, you know, I don't know what... The Baxter one actually had bird flu. Well, it had a combination. It had bird flu and swine flu. Yeah. Like they're trying to make a witch's brew, because you get that out, they start to... That bird flu is the one that these virologists are scared to death of because it has an 80% kill rate.

1:50:57 on people. Well, we don't know enough about this DNA from porcine circovirus. We just don't know enough about it. But oh no, we're not pulling it off the market, says the PR executive. We're just suspending its use during this period while we're collecting more information. What kind of outfit are you running? How can you get, how can your vaccine be contaminated? This is stuff that you're telling us that our doctors who are paid by you are telling us to put into our children. How can you do this? What is going on? We need to have an immediate investigation. Yeah, that's never going to happen. And meanwhile, if you look at the health care bill, and yes, I have read it, and it's not an easy one. It's not as hard as the Lisbon Treaty, because there's still a lot of legalese. Two very important things. One, vaccines. Oh, that's going to be free. No copayment. No, no, no, no. This whole thing is built, certainly built for the vaccine industry.

1:51:58 The whole concept of... Well, they knew that. That's why they were writing this in their annual reports that we exposed. Yes. And Merck, along with IBM, GM and UPMC, I don't know who they are, and Battelle are building a brand new plant for vaccines. probably based upon the fact that this bill has a is now law of the land so they're really gonna crank it up you're going to get all kinds of vaccines that are going to save you from cocaine addiction here's my favorite from the Telegraph

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Future Vaccines, Mosquito Delivery Systems

New developments in the vaccine industry include a proposed shot to cure phobias like fear of spiders and heights by targeting specific brain receptors. Additionally, Japanese researchers are developing genetically modified mosquitoes designed to deliver vaccines through bites. These advancements are discussed in the context of the new healthcare law, which provides significant funding for the vaccine industry.

vaccines· mosquitoes· phobias· merck· genetic engineering

1:50:57 on people. Well, we don't know enough about this DNA from porcine circovirus. We just don't know enough about it. But oh no, we're not pulling it off the market, says the PR executive. We're just suspending its use during this period while we're collecting more information. What kind of outfit are you running? How can you get, how can your vaccine be contaminated? This is stuff that you're telling us that our doctors who are paid by you are telling us to put into our children. How can you do this? What is going on? We need to have an immediate investigation. Yeah, that's never going to happen. And meanwhile, if you look at the health care bill, and yes, I have read it, and it's not an easy one. It's not as hard as the Lisbon Treaty, because there's still a lot of legalese. Two very important things. One, vaccines. Oh, that's going to be free. No copayment. No, no, no, no. This whole thing is built, certainly built for the vaccine industry.

1:51:58 The whole concept of... Well, they knew that. That's why they were writing this in their annual reports that we exposed. Yes. And Merck, along with IBM, GM and UPMC, I don't know who they are, and Battelle are building a brand new plant for vaccines. probably based upon the fact that this bill has a is now law of the land so they're really gonna crank it up you're going to get all kinds of vaccines that are going to save you from cocaine addiction here's my favorite from the Telegraph

1:52:38 a new vaccine on the way that will cure you of your fears of spiders, sharks, snakes, heights and other phobias. Hold on a second. With one simple shot. A vaccine by definition is something that you let your body react to disease vectors of one sort or another, viruses and bacteria or whatever. What has this got to do with fear of spiders? This is bogus. Well, early tests show that Dose of this makes you what does it say it it interacts with the receptors. I guess somehow that I Know I mean, it's crazy Stupid why don't you take a pill? Well? I don't know if that's a good idea well I'm just saying you know I'm not gonna just say and just saying it we got to stop saying just saying anyway, and they're also

1:53:40 Another study and all of these links are in the show notes no agenda show calm They're creating mosquitoes that can carry vaccine. Oh Oh, yeah, where'd you get this one? This is from science mag org Geez, a vaccine, a vaccine. Hey, let's get some more mosquitoes in the house, it will be a lot healthier. A group of Japanese researchers has developed a mosquito that spreads vaccine instead of disease. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So they just shoot up these mosquitoes with vaccine because it's good for you and the government will pay for it. And the healthiest people are scratching themselves constantly.

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Congressional Healthcare Exemption, HR 3590

A close reading of House Resolution 3590 reveals that while congressional staff are required to use the new healthcare exchanges, members of Congress themselves may have written in exemptions. Page 65 of the bill specifically defines "congressional staff" but omits the members of Congress from certain requirements. This discovery contradicts public claims that lawmakers would share the same healthcare plans as the general public.

hr 3590· healthcare bill· congress· exemptions· legislative staff

1:54:21 One thing I, just to get back to the, just to bring it all full circle, there's one thing that really bugs me about the health care bill and here's something that I can actually prove, it's in the document. Did you not hear everyone say that you will, didn't I hear the president say you will have the same health care as people in Congress? I don't know, I don't remember him saying that. Well, I might have heard that but I don't I can't say for sure. I know it's brought up. I'm pretty sure. Okay. Well, what's the point of it?

1:55:04 Okay, so there's a clause page 65 of House Resolution 3590 members of Congress in the exchange requirement notwithstanding any other provision of law after the effective date of this subtitle the only health plans that the federal government may make available to members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are one created under this act or an amendment made by this act and or two offered through an exchange established under this act or amendment made by this act. So that's great, right? That means that the members of Congress are... Right, they're stuck with the same stuff we're going to be stuck with supposedly. Right. But... But? Congressional... So the term congressional staff...

1:55:55 And this is where they trick you, means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a member of Congress, whether in Washington DC or outside of Washington DC. In other words, not the actual congressman. but only full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a member of Congress. So they actually wrote themselves right out of the bill. Wisely. Yes, but you know, so this is something that you can call them on and you can read it for yourself. I mean just go to page 65. I'm going to put a link in the show notes to the PDF of HR 3590. You can read it for yourself.

CHAPTER 39 / 45 Discussion

Insurance Companies as Public Utilities

Charles Krauthammer argues that the healthcare bill effectively turns private insurance companies into government-controlled utilities. By mandating coverage and controlling premiums, the government achieves a "public option" without explicitly naming it. This analysis explains why many Democrats who initially demanded a public option eventually supported the final version of the bill.

charles krauthammer· public option· insurance companies· david axelrod· healthcare reform

1:56:41 You know, it's these little things that make me a little cautious about their intent. Well, you're going into that and we're going back to that direction. By the way, you know, we forgot to mention that people should go to Dvorak.org slash NA and channel Dvorak.com slash NA for donations. We are so stupid. That definitely guarantees no money this week. I mean, that's pretty funny. The whole run up and then we forget to actually promote how you can support the show. Great. Yeah, we're dummies. So play the Charles Krauthammer clip number two. Now this is the first time I've ever heard this analysis and I think it nails it. ...house of members who said we won't support this unless you have a public option. Why they all caved in is because the administration finally explained to them.

1:57:28 They got it through their thick heads that you don't need a public option. The insurance companies are going to become utilities. They are the public option. The rules that they are going to be administering will all come from the federal government. They're going to collect the money. They're going to collect the premiums. And the government in Washington will control how they insure, who they insure, and how much it will cost. In other words, how did they get all these Democrats who demand the public option and how do you get past the fact that Obama said, I will not sign a bill, we had this clip, we played it, I will not sign a bill that does not include a public option. He explained it. The insurance companies are going to be lapdogs for the government and all they're going to do is be money collectors, with the help of the IRS.

1:58:18 and they're just going to take your money and they are the public, it is a public option. It's funny because I was watching Charlie Rose last night, I guess he does a version of the show on Bloomberg and he had David Axelrod on. And actually I should have pulled that as a clip. You know, so Charlie Rose, who is a tool by the way. Yes, but by the way, I want to say this. I think David Axelrod is behind all those, that anti-Republican craziness. That all the news sources were playing. That's his job. That's his job. He is Goebbels. David Axel Goebbels Rod.

CHAPTER 40 / 45 Discussion

IRS Enforcement, Extra Agents and Shotguns

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is expected to hire 16,500 additional agents to enforce the individual mandate of the healthcare bill. During a heated interview with Bill O'Reilly, Congressman Anthony Weiner struggled to explain how the government would collect fines from those who refuse to buy insurance. The IRS recently ordered 750 shotguns, leading to speculation about the force used to ensure tax compliance.

irs· anthony weiner· bill o'reilly· healthcare enforcement· shotguns

1:58:56 He, so you know Charlie Rose talks about the public option. Well, what did the president say about that? And I'm thinking, yeah, we have the clip where he says, I'm not going to sign anything without, okay, you can break your promises. That's okay. But just admit it. You know, it's like, oh, we didn't do it. We didn't do the public option. But President Obama definitely campaigned on the public option. And Axelrod fumbles, he's like, well the president said, and you can just see his head going, oh crap. It would be like a good idea. It was just unbelievable. He dropped the ball? He completely, yeah, he completely, I'll pull that for Sunday. He completely fumbled. And then I saw O'Reilly interviewing Jon Stewart's friend, Anthony Weiner, congressman from New York.

1:59:45 And I don't want to get too much into this, but it is an obvious fact that the IRS will have 16,500 extra agents, many of them I presume outfitted with the 750 shotguns they just ordered, to go and collect the money if you don't have health care. And the only thing O'Reilly was saying was, please tell me when I don't pay, when I skirt the law, who is going to come and collect it? And Anthony Weiner, he could not answer it. It was so amazing to watch him go around the issue and all he had to say was the IRS, because the IRS will collect it. If you don't pay your taxes, the IRS does come and collect it from you. Why are they trying to hide this fact? I don't know.

2:00:31 I mean, why not just say it? Because everybody knows it. Everybody who watches O'Reilly knows this. The government said it. I don't know. It was like, why don't you just... He just couldn't say it. Are these guys so locked in on talking points that they can't even ad lib a fart? He almost threw a hissy fit. I mean, Wiener was actually like, I'm not going to talk to you like I just did to you. Which is OK for me, but I'm not a congressman. Yeah, and he's like, I'm not gonna talk to you. That's astonishing. If you don't let me answer the question. And then he says, and then he goes into... Can you get that clip for Sunday? Yeah, I will. Then he goes into these analogies of like, well, if you throw litter, no one's gonna come and pick up your litter. No, but if you don't pay the fine, if you don't pay your taxes, then the IRS will find you eventually.

2:01:16 They do find you. They have power to take money out of your bank account. They already have that. They have power to garnish your wages. I mean, they got a lot and they got guns, shotguns, good ones. Shotguns. So it's just unbelievable what's going to happen. The IRS guy is going to stupidly shoot some old grandma and that's going to be the end of those shotguns. Yeah, maybe. I got one more commercial unless you want to wrap up the show. I can move this up to Sunday. We're getting close. Let's do another commercial. What you got? This one, I don't have it up in front of me. It's a centrinix. It is the other lyricist or something. Lyric, Lyric, Lyricia. But this is another I just want to ask people out there the question, why are these drugs that are supposed to they all do different things? But why do they make you go crazy? What is in this stuff? Good, good shit, man.

CHAPTER 41 / 45 Discussion

Lyrica Side Effects, Fibromyalgia Treatment

A commercial for the drug Lyrica, used to treat fibromyalgia, lists a wide array of dangerous side effects including suicidal thoughts, blurred vision, and significant weight gain. The hosts mock the ad's explanation of how nerves work and question why such high-risk drugs are prescribed for chronic pain. They suggest simpler alternatives like increased water intake for general health issues.

lyrica· fibromyalgia· side effects· suicidal thoughts· nerve pain

2:02:11 I had ongoing pain. A deep ache all over. I found out that connected to our muscles are nerves that send messages through the body. My doctor diagnosed it as fibromyalgia. What is it? Okay, wait, there's a couple of things at the top. One is that it's fibromyalgia. This means all your nerves are firing for no good reason and you're in great pain as though somebody, you know, I guess it's like shingles or something. Fibromyalga. Myalgia. Okay, fiber my algebra. I like the way she starts off saying I found out that there are nerves in your body and Sorry for interrupting let's play the whole thing. This is great. Hey kids. This is your life on drugs. Oh

2:03:00 I had ongoing pain, a deep ache all over. I found out that connected to our muscles are nerves that send messages through the body. My doctor diagnosed it as fibromyalgia, thought to be the result of overactive nerves that cause chronic widespread pain. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. I learned Lyrica can provide significant relief from fibromyalgia pain. So now I can do more of what I love. Lyrica is not for everyone. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression or unusual changes in mood or behavior, or any swelling or affected breathing or skin, or changes in eyesight including blurry vision.

2:03:42 or muscle pain with fever or tired feeling. Common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. Don't drink alcohol while taking Lyrica. Don't drive or use machinery until you know how Lyrica affects you. I found answers about fibromyalgia. Then, I found Lyrica. Ask your doctor about Lyrica today. This stuff is gonna, this stuff causes hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, it makes you swell up like a balloon. I mean, what is, can't they find some, take aspirin, that's a good pain killer, it doesn't do any of those things. Drink water, you'd be amazed if you just drink some water, what that'll do for eight out of ten problems you have. Go to watercure.com and read about that. Alright, then I'm just gonna lay one bombshell on you that I've been working on and that'll,

CHAPTER 42 / 45 Discussion

House of Numbers, HIV/AIDS Documentary

The documentary "House of Numbers" features an interview with the Nobel Prize winner who discovered HIV, who now questions the direct link between HIV and AIDS. The film explores the theory that the drug AZT may be more harmful than the virus itself. This controversial perspective challenges the pharmaceutical industry's long-standing approach to treating the disease.

house of numbers· hiv· aids· azt· documentary

2:04:33 I don't think, it won't be Sunday, it'll be next week. Houseofnumbers.com, a fantastic award-winning documentary has come out which includes a lengthy interview with the Nobel Prize winner who discovered HIV. And he has now come out and said, well, you know, you don't actually either A, get AIDS from HIV. In fact, you can probably get rid of HIV yourself just by eating healthy for a couple of weeks. Of course, this is not reported anywhere. And it's a very huge topic, a very sensitive topic. But the general consensus surrounding people who are, of course, these are all deniers,

2:05:16 who are interested in what the guy who found the HIV virus, who discovered it, is now saying is that perhaps it is the AZT drug that you administer that actually kills you and that AIDS does not equal HIV. And we've actually picked up on this meme, John, people saying HIV AIDS. It used to be AIDS and it was HIV. This is because my belief is that the pharmaceutical industry just wants to keep you sick. And you're force-fed all... How many times do we have to do stories on doctors making hundreds of thousands of dollars teaching other doctors how to sell this crap to people? And there's a drug for everything. And it all makes you suicidal. All of it.

CHAPTER 43 / 45 Discussion

Family of Secrets, Russ Baker Interview

The book "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker provides an exhaustive investigation into the Bush family's connections to intelligence agencies and political scandals. The text suggests that the Watergate scandal was a coordinated effort to remove Richard Nixon rather than a simple burglary. Baker's research links George H.W. Bush to various covert operations throughout his career.

russ baker· family of secrets· bush family· watergate· george h.w. bush

2:06:04 But this is huge, HouseofNumbers.com, the actual documentary won't be available online or on CD or DVD until June 1st. But it's already won awards at film festivals all over the world. And there's a trailer there and it's just an outstanding piece of work. And it really... It's something that needs attention, but I believe that the drug industry is just so huge. Can I add one more recommendation? The book that you recommended to me about the Bush family? Oh, The Family of Secrets? What do you think? Wow! I told you it was outstanding!

2:06:43 That is one book. Man. How far are you? Are you all the way through yet? Well, you know, the great thing about that book is you can read it like the Bible. Yeah, you can just put it down and come back. You can leave it in the bathroom. You can put it at, you can, you can pick, you can just open it. It's not necessarily a story line that has to be followed from beginning to end. It is just loaded. It's just almost like anecdotes. It's unbelievable. It's absolutely unbelievable. And every single source or quotation he has, there must be a hundred pages in the book that is just all the footnotes and where he got the information from. It's well researched, well done. Of course it's getting no play.

2:07:24 and written by Russ Baker who I will be interviewing after I haven't even read it. It's like Atlas Shrugged is how big this thing is. It's huge. I don't even know where to start interviewing other than this guy has totally connected the entire Bush family to an evil, sinister, crime-connected elitism that goes beyond even your belief in and you wouldn't believe it unless he had all of these sources that are listed in the book that you can go to. I'll give you the teaser that people might get a kick out of. The Watergate, which of course you know is kind of like what? Watergate wasn't about Nixon trying to get information, it was about them trying to get Nixon.

2:08:12 Right. Apparently there is something in there. The whole thing is very sketchy from this guy's perspective. But anyway, that's a book that people should read if you get a chance. This will be one of our recommended on the recommended list for this show of ours. Actually, there is a no agenda book club dot com where this is listed. Someone else is maintaining that for us. And I'm the only thing I'm missing so far is I'm missing all of the pedophile sex stuff in this book. I don't know if it shows up later on. I haven't finished it, as I said. I have started a sex wars subheading at noagendashow.com and once again it's anger fan and you really need to check this website from time to time who makes a lot of interesting connections. Once again passing right through clergy to justice system to the highest echelons of government all through

2:09:08 all kinds of organizations that are actually supposedly helping children. It's just outrageous. Yeah, well, I actually wanted to get to one of those topics about the Pope this week, but we'll have to do it on Sunday. But I think, anyway, this book is definitely an amazing product. I mean, this guy really did the job. But, you know, again, and it has, and all the people that wrote blurbs for the book are all high level, so it's not like this is a crazy book written for some obscure right-wing press. No, no, not at all. And in fact, he, his whole introduction to the book he says, you know, actually I wanted to write something about George W. Bush, felt that some things had been just kind of left for what they were and he actually stumbled upon all of this stuff about George H. W. Bush that he just could not ignore and that's why a lot of the book is about that. And really, it's just chilling and that really brings you to the... It actually is depressing.

CHAPTER 44 / 45 Discussion

Show Censorship Risks, Internet Filtering

The hosts express concern that the show may eventually be targeted for censorship or filtered by ISPs and corporate firewalls. They note that many alternative news sites are already blocked in workplaces and schools under the guise of "inappropriate content." They urge network administrators among the listeners to help keep the show accessible as digital filtering becomes more sophisticated.

censorship· internet filtering· isps· free speech· corporate firewalls

2:10:09 Well, not because I like that this is available and that we can share this and people can take a different view on things. I think our show's at risk. So noagendashow.com, dvorak.org slash NA. And by the way, if anyone contributes to the stream, go to dvorak.org slash NAS. and you can contribute to the sustaining, be a sustaining producer over on the stream which we are trying to put some emphasis on. Can I just ask you why you think our show is at risk? Well, I mean, I just don't think, I just honestly believe that at some point, not tomorrow,

2:10:46 But I think somewhere down the road, if somebody's going to listen to this show and say, you know, these two idiots, you know, this is too much material here. Let's shut them down or let's filter them or let's put them on this no spam, you know, the spam list that all my, that Dvorak Uncensored's on. You can't get it in half the companies in the country. You can't get it in China because it's got the word uncensored. But yeah, I mean, once they start filtering this stuff, it's not appropriate for kids. You know, who knows? I mean, there's a lot of ways of just squelching people. You don't have to, you know, come over and beat us up or anything. They can just, you know, filter us out. And some of the, you know, there's a bunch of these systems right now, they're all over the country, they're companies. And there are also ISPs that they have these little lists and they, if something comes from that domain, it just gets blocked. You can just get blocked. The United States is probably more over-censored than China when it comes to this stuff. There's site after site after site you can't go to. And it's just, that's not gonna,

2:11:39 That's not gonna go the other direction. It's gonna go it's gonna get worse and our show is one of these things that at some point I mean you our sysop buddies can help us a little bit, but it's just gonna say I mean that it can be forced underground You know or be a big hassle or they could just you know Who knows I just think the show's at risk because it's just got too much of this kind of material in it well And that's why I think you stop with the pedophile stuff. We'd be you know you have a break Do you really want me to stop? No, no, I'm just saying in terms of like, I just think this show has, we bring out stuff that I think people would rather not have us do. Well that's true. And this book is astonishing.

2:12:23 And I definitely try to tread lightly on the pedophile stuff, but I can't withhold the fact that this information is out there. I just, you know, I can't. Well, I think it's fine to point people to it so they can check it out. So that's what I've done. I'm putting links in. Do you think the links are okay? No, the links are fine. Okay. I've been very cautious about that. I've said that the thing that frightens me most is exposing this because lots of people get killed over this stuff. There's just lots of people, there's a whole path that's littered with bodies of people who try to expose this stuff. But I do want the people who are diligently working on uncovering the connections, it needs to be known.

2:13:14 I mean, okay, I just have to do it. Gotta do it, but I I do hope that our sysadmins and network administrators will help us when any way you can when When the hammer starts to come down, I think we're still pretty much okay. Maybe I need to do more crazy shit The yeah, we haven't heard too much about the flying saucers or the greens and the grays and the blues and whatever else is going on Well, I do I do have good news according to the times Indeed, the assertion I made, it does appear to be true in their, what is it called here, the world's strangest laws, if a pregnant woman needs to urinate, by request, she can urinate in a policeman's hat in the United Kingdom. Oh, okay, I think people should take advantage of this law. And the first woman to do that and to prove it

CHAPTER 45 / 45 Discussion

UK Urination Law, German Bread Salt

The show concludes with a look at strange international laws, including a UK regulation that reportedly allows pregnant women to urinate in a policeman's hat upon request. Additionally, the European Union is considering regulations to limit the salt content in German bread, which has sparked local opposition. The hosts sign off, promising to cover the Greek bailout and CIA wars in the next episode.

strange laws· united kingdom· german bakers· salt regulation· european union

2:12:23 And I definitely try to tread lightly on the pedophile stuff, but I can't withhold the fact that this information is out there. I just, you know, I can't. Well, I think it's fine to point people to it so they can check it out. So that's what I've done. I'm putting links in. Do you think the links are okay? No, the links are fine. Okay. I've been very cautious about that. I've said that the thing that frightens me most is exposing this because lots of people get killed over this stuff. There's just lots of people, there's a whole path that's littered with bodies of people who try to expose this stuff. But I do want the people who are diligently working on uncovering the connections, it needs to be known.

2:13:14 I mean, okay, I just have to do it. Gotta do it, but I I do hope that our sysadmins and network administrators will help us when any way you can when When the hammer starts to come down, I think we're still pretty much okay. Maybe I need to do more crazy shit The yeah, we haven't heard too much about the flying saucers or the greens and the grays and the blues and whatever else is going on Well, I do I do have good news according to the times Indeed, the assertion I made, it does appear to be true in their, what is it called here, the world's strangest laws, if a pregnant woman needs to urinate, by request, she can urinate in a policeman's hat in the United Kingdom. Oh, okay, I think people should take advantage of this law. And the first woman to do that and to prove it

2:14:15 Will become an automatic dame of the whole agenda. That's the tough part. Someone has to document it and then what do we do? Oh my goodness. Okay, stuff that I'm working on for Sunday. Well actually, John and I have been talking about a possible civil war in the United States of Europe between France and Germany. And in our lifetime. Oh yeah, forgot about it. The schemes that are going on surrounding the bailout of Greece, many different interesting angles. I think we still have to dive into Climategate if only to protect the truth and the fact that everyone's just rolling right over this, just saying, hey, who cares about what's going on? We don't need any investigations. We're still going to die from global warming. We need to stay on that.

2:15:12 And the CIA wars. And what did we do? We still did two hours, is that where we're at? Yep. Unfortunately. Jesus Christ. Sorry, don't mean to take his name in vain. And of course, that the European Union wants to shut down the German bakers because they put too much salt in their bread. This salt thing is needs more exploration. There's something weird about it So coming to you from the hilltop watchtower in Gitmo Nation West in Southern, California in the morning I'm Adam Curry and you should all go to the work org slash na or channel of work comm slash na or nas And help us out. I'm John C DeVore from Northern Silicon Valley And we'll talk to you again on Sunday for early service right here on no agenda