Episode 1817 · Sunday, 16 November 2025

Stunt Grenade

European leaders scramble for new military funding as Russian forces gain ground, while a high-stakes political rift between Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene upends the MAGA movement.

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European Union Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has proposed three aggressive strategies to fund Ukraine’s defense, including a reparations loan backed by frozen Russian assets. This financial escalation coincides with reports from military analyst Andrew Rasoulis that Russian forces are achieving operational success by dismantling Ukrainian energy infrastructure. The shifting momentum has prompted Germany to initiate a voluntary conscription plan for 18-year-old men to counter perceived threats from the East.

In Mexico City, Generation Z protesters breached the National Palace following the assassination of the mayor of Uruapan, leading Senator Lili Tellez to label the country a narco-state on Fox Noticias. Meanwhile, a massive corruption probe into Ukraine’s Enerhoatom has linked Zelensky associate Timur Mindich to a $100 million laundering scheme. In the United States, Donald Trump has publicly withdrawn his endorsement of Marjorie Taylor Greene, sparking theories of a scripted political rift ahead of a critical House vote on the Jeffrey Epstein files led by Congressman Thomas Massie. Additional reports highlight the first human fatality from Alpha-Gal syndrome in New Jersey and a burgeoning diabetes crisis in Pakistan.

British politician George Galloway claims the Muslim Brotherhood was a creation of British intelligence, while Donald Trump threatens the BBC with litigation to expose internal communications. The segment on suburban aesthetics explores the social risks of installing a flagpole in California. Listeners also contributed a rare 1940s letterhead from the Fort Detrick Biological Warfare Lab during a recent Albany meetup.


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CHAPTER 19 / 47 Discussion

Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene, Political Rift

Donald Trump publicly withdrew his endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene via Truth Social, labeling her a "ranting lunatic" and encouraging a primary challenger in her Georgia district. Greene responded by claiming Trump attacked her because of her advocacy for the release of the Epstein files, asserting her independence from the MAGA establishment.

donald trump· marjorie taylor greene· truth social· georgia· primary

1:09:52 He has time and he's a busy man. He puts it makes you think he doesn't but guys like that always do All right now we're gonna move to what I really? I'm just thinking like we've seen this with Tucker We've seen it with Elon Like Oh big fight, and then they go off when they do the thing And there's reconciliation and Tucker is somehow involved in this you know, rooting out of entities unwanted in the Republican Party and probably unwanted in... This one here I can't disagree with you on any of this because I felt the same way when it first started. Now my clips got an NPR and two BBCs Why don't I play that? Because what I have is straight up reads of what Trump posted and what Marjorie Taylor Greene replied

1:10:42 So it's just a- That should go first. Yeah, so I'm saying it so straight read of instead of me reading it we got some other nut job reading it right? I wanna read you again what President Trump said on Truth Social he said I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of the great state of Georgia over the past few weeks despite creating record achievements for our country, including a total and complete victory on the shutdown. Closed borders low taxes no men in women's sports or transgender for everyone ending D E I stopping Biden's records setting inflation

1:11:22 The biggest regulation cuts in history, stopping eight wards. Rebuilding our military being respected by every country in the world as opposed to being the laughing stock that we were just 12 months ago having trillions of dollars record setting invested in the USA and having created the hottest and Unless of course she had my endorsement, which she wasn't about to get. He said that she has told many people that she's upset that I don't return her phone calls anymore but with 219 congressmen and women 53 US senators 24 cabinet members and almost 200 countries And in otherwise normal life to lead I can take a ranting lunatics calls every day

1:12:29 I understand that wonderful conservative people are thinking about primary Marjorie in her district of Georgia, that they are too fed up with her and her antics. And if the right person runs they will have my complete and unyielding support. She has gone far left even doing The View with their low IQ Republican hating anchors Trump says thank you for your attention to this matter. Make America great again. So when I hear this, I'm like really? And here's her reply she posted that she said President Trump just attacked me and lied about me. I haven't called him at all but i did send these text messages today we will show you those in a moment She said apparently this is what sent him over the edge The Epstein files

1:13:19 And of course he's coming out. Now, just I just got to stop here for a second three weeks ago Marjorie Taylor Greene was all about Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, APEC, Israel, APEC, Israel boom, boom, it had dropped and now its Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. I feel a set up in this This is the setup. And that he actually goes to this level, she says. She went on to say but really most Americans wish he would fight this hard to help the forgotten men and women of America who are fed up with foreign wars and foreign causes are going broke trying to feed their families and

1:14:20 of ever achieving the American dream. That's what I voted for, I have supported President Trump with too much of my precious time, too much of my own money and fought harder for him even when almost all other Republicans turned their back and denounced him." and she also said, but I don't worship or serve President Trump. I worship God Jesus as my savior. And I served my district GA 14 and the American people. I remain the same today as I've always been and I will continue to Pray that this administration will be successful because the American people desperately deserve what they voted for She said for me. I remain America first and America only He's bringing in the MAGA versus America first Yes, the that's a classic split and Can you spell posturing?

CHAPTER 20 / 47 Discussion

Epstein File Vote, Scripted Political Theater

The public rift between Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene is analyzed as potential "scripted theater" designed to draw attention to the upcoming House vote on the Epstein files. The theory suggests that by appearing to oppose the release, Trump allows independent Republicans and Democrats to force the files out, shielding himself from the fallout while exposing political enemies.

jeffrey epstein· marjorie taylor greene· donald trump· house of representatives· political strategy

1:15:19 POS. That's what the two of them are doing. Well, this is bullcrap! Yeah WWF is what I'm feeling here This is a classic... Oh yes exactly This is what Trump does and he understands this kind of show business His pencil neck geek Alright, so what did you get? So did she go on the BBC is that what these clips are from or no These are just analysis clips much not not the classic What is the BBC doing analysis on Marjorie Taylor Greene? Well, that's a isn't that interesting. Mm-hmm

1:15:55 Well, let's start with the NPR clip. It is also a short summary. Okay here we go. President Trump is cutting ties with Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. The president posting on social media announcing he has withdrawn support from the Georgia Republican and PRS Ava Pukac reports that Greene suspects The rift came from her support for the release of the Epstein files. In his post, Trump called for conservatives to primary green saying quote if the right person runs they will have my complete and unyielding support Green said in a post of her own that she had sent the president attacks regarding the Epstein files But she said quote sent him over the edge She said Trump is trying to make an example Of her to scare other Republicans ahead of the house's vote to force the release of the Epstein files. I

1:16:43 Green has been a longtime Trump ally and prominent MAGA figure, but she's been at odds with the president. Notably in calling for the Justice Department to release the files about the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein Okay Now couple of things there one is that this is drawing attention To the Epstein file vote! To the vote yes, and Trump is against it So that means that people will have to show their independence. Hold on, hold on! He hasn't actually said he's against it? No he doesn't have too but this rift... This points it out I think the riff between him and MTG which is

1:17:23 you and I agree, is scripted bull crap to get attention. Like well he doesn't want this to happen so he's gonna bring out the independent Republicans that make sure they vote for it. That would be Massey, that would be her probably a couple others and then they got the new woman in from the Democrat side. The Democrats of course because Trump doesn't want this are gonna go oh yes! They're all gonna vote for it and at the end of the day at least by both... And we both agree on this the Epstein files get released and it embarrasses a bunch of Democrats and a bunch of big shots, and Trump says hey I never wanted this release! And now you know why. You can blame these bastards for doing it Marjorie Taylor Greene is like in the middle because yeah doesn't matter what side she takes she said well I didn't know I wasn't ready oh poor thing That's what makes sense to me

CHAPTER 21 / 47 Discussion

Michael Wolff, Trump as Epstein Informant

Author Michael Wolff claimed on the Valuetainment platform that Jeffrey Epstein believed Donald Trump was the original informant who alerted police to the activities at Epstein's Florida residence. This claim supports a long-standing theory that Trump may have cooperated with the FBI against Epstein, contributing to their eventual enmity.

michael wolff· jeffrey epstein· donald trump· fbi· valuetainment

1:18:22 I mean just as a very, very short one and i have more of this later because it's from Valuetainment and it's 14 seconds. There is always time for a 14 minute valuetainment clip. This is Michael Wolff on values. He's got his tit in a ringer! Well, but here's what he says... Epstein believed that it was Trump who first informed the police about what was going on at Epstein's house and from that point on they were nothing but bitter enemies Yeah this is like this is not unknown I mean Mike Johnson said it a long time ago he said I think Trump was an informant for the FBI against Epstein

1:19:06 But, you know that doesn't matter because my ex timeline is filled with hate about you and me. We're protecting pedophiles now and we helped get Trump elected! You don't even know your so wrong! There's that guy again I don't why can't get rid of him. So let's go to your point that you made this is the point Why does the BBC care? Yeah, let's find out. So here we go with the BBC talking about American amounts to gossip talking about MTG versus Trump

CHAPTER 22 / 47 Discussion

BBC Analysis, MAGA vs America First Split

The BBC reported on the growing divide within the Republican party between "Establishment MAGA" and the "America First" wing. Correspondent Nomia Iqbal noted that Marjorie Taylor Greene's recent breaks from Trump—including her stance on the Gaza conflict and her demand for Epstein file transparency—signal a significant shift in the movement's internal dynamics.

bbc· nomia iqbal· gaza· israel· marjorie taylor greene

1:19:47 President Trump has hit out at one of his hitherto most reliable allies, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's been speaking out criticizing the US close relationship with Israel for example calling for the release of the Justice Department files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein as well and the president is now described her as a disgrace and wacky The BBC's Nomia Iqbal joins us live from Washington. So look, this is a row between two big media figures one the president obviously but also Marjorie Taylor Greene very prominent on the TV screens Is it just that? A sort of spat between two people or does it represent something bigger? I think it's quite easy Sunni

1:20:32 at a moment there where you feel a bit cynical and think, well is it just two very close people who have fallen out? But I think it's much more than that. Marjorie Taylor Greene is this real firebrand, a loyal foot soldier to Donald Trump she's known for fuelling unsubstantiated conspiracy theories but her devotion to Mr Trump has been unquestionable she stood by his 2020 claims of election fraud. She supported him in the wake of the Epstein controversy actually she said she believed that President Trump had no involvement in the sex scandal but in the recent months, she's really started breaking ranks with him as you mentioned there she has distanced herself from the US and Trump's very close relationship Israel. She is the only Republican to refer to what's happening in Gaza as a genocide

1:21:21 criticized his tariff policy. How about this? How about this is exactly the intended result because, and this is just a dream scenario in my scenario we forced the vote and everything gets released and the biggest pedophiles are all British many of them from the BBC itself, which is not completely unthinkable. How many pedophiles have had to leave the BBC in the past 10 years? Quite a lot! Bring in some more, uh...some more royalty. I'm sure we can bring in someone." I mean look who's gone down! That that's an extreme interpretation of what might happen Andrew Mandelson Yeah And he just had to leave the lodge You know this uhh..I mean at this point who gives a rat's ass about Clinton? Like duh! Clinton and young girls oh okay I'm shocked Bill Gates and young girls shocked yeah blah shocked okay

1:22:22 But I think that there possibly could be, this is where people get on my X-Time like, 5D chess again eh? Maybe. What was that? 5D chess. Oh five D? Yes now it's five d. You know, I get blamed for things you say it's incredible. That just because of the way I do it I do it in such a way that you will get blamed. It's a technique, believe me! If you had any idea what the technique was... You'd employ it yourself. Teach Me Master! Teach Me! No! That one I keep to myself. Teach Me how to do it!

1:23:06 Alright, let's play clip 2. Her view is very much that the Epstein files should be released, all of them. And she's very upset that he's not doing that and I think why it's significant is because we're talking about the MAGA base, Make America Great Again this a very loyal base to Donald Trump and splitting away from that

1:23:43 I think is significant, especially when it comes to Marjorie Taylor Greene. What we're seeing is a split between those establishment MAGA and the American... America First Right these are the people like Miss Green who believe they are adhering to the principles that Donald Trump campaigned on. Don't want to be too journalistically cynical but I mean, I guess this is a fair question is she driven by these issues or is she driven by presidential ambitions and creating a bit of clear water between them with a view to what might happen in three years time? Well, this is certainly what the cynics amongst in Donald Trump circles are saying that this is all about because he didn't let her run for the governor race in Georgia if for the Senate ambitions as well. I actually know someone pretty close to Marjorie Taylor Greene and you know some of our friends who have said that's not true

1:24:34 and that she basically doesn't agree with a lot of what he stands for, and that they're constantly fighting. And she had been fearing for her safety in terms of how other people in that world may view her stance. Actually on social media she's now saying that she is facing a lot of threats. Yeah everyone's facing threats Megan Kelly everyone's facing threats But you know these these 20,000 plus emails didn't even come from the FBI or the State Department they came from Epstein's estate and but you might not have heard this but during the 2019 House hearing of Michael Cohen Trump's fixer Epstein was texting with the Democrat from state Stacey Plaskett The Democrat from the US Virgin Islands non-voting member actually

CHAPTER 23 / 47 Discussion

Thomas Massie, Epstein File Discharge Petition

Congressman Thomas Massie appeared on ABC News to discuss his successful discharge petition to force the release of the Epstein files. Massie expressed concern that Trump’s recent call for new investigations might be a "smoke screen" intended to prevent the public release of documents by keeping them tied up in active DOJ probes.

thomas massie· jeffrey epstein· ro khanna· house of representatives· abc news

1:25:29 But he's texting with her. Oh, no you got to talk about Rona referring to his personal secretary Rona. I forget what her last name was every everybody has Ronas. Rona Graf. Everybody has her number. You know so it was it's so obvious that Trump has nothing anywhere that is bad for him but only for Democrats Brits elites I mean it just this seems like you're so right. Like yeah, I told you didn't want to do it. It's just a little too early. It should be closer to the midterms. No they have to push it off as long as they can So then this morning Massey comes on ABC and by the way, Kenny I would just stop for say I am sick of this guy

1:26:18 I mean he's entertaining, he's affable. He's got... everything is a joke to him! He's like a classic old-fashioned right winger from the 70s and he thinks that he knows better than everyone else and he doesn't like to play ball. He's not that old? He can't be from the 70s?! No no he's got... yeah um no i said he's the style of a 70s right winger Well, if you used to listen to 70s talk shows...70's and 80's talk shows with the right wingers they all had a certain kind of glib style. I know more than you do it was very obnoxious presentation and i can't explain any better than that In the seventies I was watching Speed Racer in romper rooms Yeah well yeah I'm sure you were

1:27:07 So you have to and you were also not here. You weren't listening American talk radio. Let me ask you a question If your wife died suddenly, how long do you feel it appropriate before you remarry? Depends I'm just asking on the personal level What do you think I think you could do it within a year as exactly what he did It depends on your personal, it depends on your type of what kind of person you are. If you're like a couple or somebody just gloms onto women and gets married

1:27:47 Couples up real fast. Yeah, it could be pretty quick But something that's preak if you're already having an affair with somebody well He knew where a long time before yeah, and that's always suspicious to me I know I mean I have no standing in this area personally so But here he is let's listen to what he has to say he also has changed his look at He looks a lot younger with the beard. Oh, he's got the new lady! The beard... Well she's got a beard now? What?! Yeah he's got a beard and mustache. I gotta look this up. It looks much better i have to say. As a TV producer I'm just saying that I think he has reinvented his character. We're joined by Republican Congressman Thomas Massey of Kentucky

1:28:32 who led the effort to release the Epstein files. Congressman Massey, thank you for being here. President Trump fought long and hard to prevent your discharge petition from going through. You won that battle now what happens? How many Republicans in the House follow your lead and defy the president on this a lot of them I think we could have a deluge of Republicans. There could be 100 or more, and I'm hoping to get a veto-proof majority on this legislation when it comes up for a vote And, you know the president's been saying this is a hoax. He's been saying that for months Well he just now decided to investigate a hoax if it's a hoax and I have another concern about these investigations that he has announced If they have ongoing investigations in certain areas those documents can't be released so this might be a big smoke screen these investigations to open up bunch of them

1:29:25 as a last ditch effort to prevent the release of the Epstein files. I mean it is extraordinary to hear him demand an investigation and only mention Democrats, only mention his political opponents but you're saying he doesn't really may not really even want any investigation? He wants to prevent their release why does he want to prevent this what what is he afraid of? What could be you know I've never said that these files will implicate Donald Trump? And I really don't think that they will. I think he's trying to protect a bunch of rich and powerful friends billionaires donors to his campaign friends in his social circles and That's my operating theory on why he's trying so hard to keep these files closed that doesn't seem at all plausible I don't think he cares if first of all He's not he doesn't need money to get reelected

CHAPTER 24 / 47 Discussion

Epstein Estate Emails, High-Profile Names

Recent document releases from the Jeffrey Epstein estate have highlighted connections to prominent figures including former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, Noam Chomsky, and Peter Thiel. The discussion focuses on the financial ties between Epstein and JPMorgan Chase, where suspicious transaction reports were allegedly ignored for years.

larry summers· jp morgan chase· noam chomsky· peter thiel· bill clinton

1:30:17 So, why are you protecting your donors? Perfect. Yeah. Is there some kind of loyalty? He'll throw anybody under the bus for anything! He does it all the time! Yes! All the time! This has to do with the 2016... 2026. 2026 election. So if our thesis, because it's just a thesis... It's not that we go to bed at night hoping for this although it would be kind of cool If there was a whole bunch of pedophiles in the BBC That part is new to the thesis That would be ideal And I think it would be pretty funny We've kinda papered over that Jim will fix it business Don't talk about it Forget about the kids

1:31:06 the TV show with the kids and the corpses, and all that. Let's just talk about that." Maybe Massey is a part of it? Because he seems like... No! You think you know you think he's a willing idiot in this particular case? He has to be. This guy if you just listen to him enough, you couldn't trust him to read him in. You'd just get the sense that yeah you could read him in and he would blow it up You just don't you it's just one of those guys. I believe I could be wrong, but he may be a player I just do not think he I think is an independent guy that doesn't you read him in on something? He'd be aghast Think it's disgusting. I mean the scheme would be right Why would you try to scheme against American public the files would have to be had would have to have something so awesome That you could drag it out

1:31:59 for, well essentially 10 more months in media. You know because it let's say this comes out and I'd say maybe January? I think it probably won't happen until then there'll be some other you know Trump will probably do some more like ohhhhhh and then he said oh whatever. Okay let's say the vote goes they have to release the files yeah she can slow walk She can slow walk it probably to February-March. Okay, at some point... But still it has to be so egregious that you can drag everyone down into it for six months! That's a long time I know this is a real problem. I see the same way Alright let's check out click because of this good because of the quick cycle of people just forget

1:32:48 You know, this is what Schumer's banking on. That the thing is going to blow over and he's gonna be... Oh people already forgot about the shutdown! Yes it's true they've already forgotten. Schumer's good to go. He's back on track. What do you think is actually in these files? I mean we've seen so much Epstein material from the criminal cases The stuff that just came out this week From the estate. What do you think is left? They talk and talk about these files Have you noticed that not one person, including us have mentioned the real deal on these video tapes? That's what we want. Well maybe files they imply... No! They can imply all they want they're not talking about the tapes. We want tapes? The CDs, the CD-ROMS I think it's a lot of stuff. Well whatever they are doesn't matter but there is recordings

1:33:45 people in the bedrooms. I don't, I don't even think there's that much of that. They said they were there was clauses full! Let's find out let's you know we're all gonna be on edge just waiting for this. From criminal cases the stuff that just came out this week you know from The Estate what do you think is left? Yeah, I don't have to guess at what's in the files. I've talked to the survivors through their lawyer and we know there are at least 20 people in those files that are politicians, billionaires movie producers who are implicated criminally who haven't been investigated and it is up to the FBI not the survivors and the DOJ to release those names or at least investigate them And when I see Donald Trump announce a bunch of investigations

1:34:35 I don't see him going after these rich elites that are implicated in these files, according to the survivors. So the BBC again wrote an article about who else was mentioned in it says Epstein files but I think that's just these emails so Michael Wolff we know that Larry Summers is interesting. Yeah, I think that's now he was what he was what his job previously? He was in the Treasury was right. Right Catherine room lure. That's a picture for an ad list of them. She looks worried

1:35:17 She's at Goldman Sachs, but this happened pre-Goldman Sachs. Peter Thiel? Probably nothing there. I can't imagine what that could be! He's gay so yeah he doesn't need young girls. Noam Chomsky That's funny. Yeah, probably nothing but that was probably just a you know he did this thing you have to remember Epstein did this thing because You know different people got involved in it where he would socialize with scientists So he could find out things that he needed to know for some leverage of some sort or other yeah? So he would probably hang out with Chomsky But I I just cannot see now that guy now going to the island Or even taking getting on a plane to the island

CHAPTER 25 / 47 Discussion

Kentucky Primary, Trump Bully Tactics

Thomas Massie addressed Donald Trump's support for his primary opponents in Kentucky, dismissing the President's tactics as bullying. Massie noted that his opponents are financed by billionaires found in Epstein's phone book and warned his colleagues that a vote against releasing the files would be a permanent stain on their records.

thomas massie· donald trump· kentucky· billionaires· epstein phone book

1:36:01 It's not gonna happen. Let's continue with this riveting ABC interview The president has gone after you in some deeply personal ways, I mean attacking you over and over again even attacking you regarding your wedding, your recent wedding which by the way congratulations What do you make of all that? And he is obviously supporting your primary opponents what kind of retribution are you facing You know, my wife told me she said I told you so we should have invited Donald Trump. He's mad that he didn't get an invitation. We're taking it with a grain of salt he's being a bully or trying to be a bully

1:36:42 And they're trying to beat me here in Kentucky, but here's what's interesting. The people financing this campaign consist completely of three billionaires and they're all in the Epstein class In fact one of them is named in Epstein phone book not the secret files that the FBI keeping but in Epsteins phone books so Everybody's in Epstein's phone book I don't know who yeah That's true But who was he well? I don't know tell us who it is no Why? I don't know.

1:37:23 and the president himself, and the vice president. They're taking a big loss this week because after months of fighting I am winning this week with Ro Khanna we're forcing this vote it's going to happen. I would remind my Republican colleagues who are deciding how to vote Donald Trump can protect you in red districts right now by giving you an endorsement but in 2030 he is not gonna be the And you will have voted to protect pedophiles if you don't vote to release these files and the president can't protect you then. This vote, the record of this vote will last longer than Donald Trump's presidency. That is a good one. Yeah there is something there. That is a good threat I like that threat.

1:38:02 Yeah, and that would kind of make it sound as though he's in on it. But I still can't...I just think he is a useful idiot. Here's the last clip. Now I've talked to Senate leadership who tell me that this is almost certainly not even going to be brought up for a vote in the Senate. What's your sense on that? Wait now what vote in the senate do we need all of sudden? Why do I thought this was a house vote? Do we need the Senate now too? Not that I know of. Let me listen again. Leadership who tell me that this is almost certainly not even going to be brought up for a vote in the Senate, what's your sense on that? I mean, I guess if there's an overwhelming voting like you said 100 Republicans join all the Democrats, the pressure will be immense but do you have any sense the Senate is even gonna vote on this

1:38:57 Well, they don't have the procedural maneuver that Ro Khanna and I used in the House. They don't have that in the Senate it's called a discharge petition but the senators do have other ways to force votes as amendments for instance on larger bills in order to let bills move quicker through the chamber so they could force the vote in spite of the leaderships efforts. I just hope John Thune will do the right thing look Our own speaker tried to push this bill by unanimous consent last week within 15 minutes of me getting the 218th vote because he was trying to save people from a vote. If he's ready to pass it by unanimous consent, then the Senate leader should be as well just bring it up but the pressure is going to be there if we get a big vote in house. Oh so it sounds like you do need the senate to vote on this? That's what it sounds like but I liked that trickery of Johnson

1:39:48 a non-vote, just pass it by unanimous consent so nobody can have it marked against them as only pro pedophile. Let the Senate hang! You let the Senators go for it and then you have to do the same thing because you can't be on the record voting against this because it looks like you're protecting pedophiles and so this is very tricky and it's definitely gonna have to happen but if you're trying to keep by our thesis. If you're trying to keep it from happening until the midterms, as close to them as you can to submarine the Democrats... It's gonna be rough. Here Senator Chris Murphy is brought into the conversation by Jonathan Karl On Epstein The president is now demanding or has demanded that the Attorney General and Justice Department investigate his political opponents

CHAPTER 26 / 47 Discussion

Chris Murphy, DOJ Corruption Allegations

Senator Chris Murphy criticized the Department of Justice under Pam Bondi, characterizing it as a "protection racket" for Donald Trump. Murphy argued that Trump's efforts to block the Epstein files suggest he is personally implicated, and he urged the Senate to hold a bipartisan vote on the matter as soon as it passes the House.

chris murphy· pam bondi· department of justice· donald trump· senate

1:40:45 And Pam Bondi responded by basically saying yes sir and moving in that direction. What do you make of that? Well, it's both heartbreaking and totally unsurprising. The Department of Justice has just become a protection racket for Donald Trump and a witch hunt operation against his political opponents This is why our democracy... Which political opponents? Bill Clinton?! Is he a political opponent? I have not heard a name who was the political opponent Opponent of what? The 2028 election Murphy guys the worst is in such peril right now is that for the first time in our history The Department of Justice operates in order to try to punish and lock up anybody that criticizes Donald Trump I'm really proud of the work. The representative Massey has done In the House of Representatives along with Ro Khanna, and yes John Thune should bring that

1:41:41 that vote to the Senate floor as soon as it passes the House of Representatives. It's true that Donald Trump is trying to cover up for, I think a host of really powerful and rich people but he's frankly not that selfless He wouldn't be going through all this effort to try and stop these files if he wasn't seriously implicated in those files This is most likely the biggest corruption scandal history of the country. We know that because Donald Trump is going to these extraordinary lengths to stop these files from coming out. The Senate should take this vote I think it'll be a likely another big bipartisan vote and I'm grateful to our House colleagues for sending it our way

1:42:22 I mean, what the only thing that really could... Before you make that in. I think he's this guy is insincere. He knows exactly what's going on. The Democrats know that they're trying to push this off to the primary to the, I keep saying primaries but midterms They keep trying to push off and these guys know that's what they're trying to do so they keep saying it Trump is Trump he's in there, we gotta get it out quick because they want it out quick. This is insincerity at the highest order from this guy Murphy. This Murphy guy is a bad guy! He's a bad dude

1:42:59 He's a bad dude. He is terrible, but he knows exactly what's going on I'm not fooled by this nonsense. He's up there with corn pop another bad dude Yeah How about this though? How about I mean everyone's so pedophile pedophile pedophile man This I would be less surprised if what came out is mi6 Possibly Mossad but I think mi6 is more likely That's what Epstein was involved in. That's what Maxwell was involved in, that's what Maxwell's dead. Yeah blackmail operations! Yeah but from MI6 not from the Mossad...

1:43:39 Yeah, maybe. Well I mean this is our thinking right now we're kind of floating in that direction with this anti-MI6 all of a sudden established and may have been hypnotized in my hour and pre-programmed to blame the MI6 for something that Mossad's doing because the Jews, the Mossads actually run the BBC And that's what we don't understand because all you know is the Jews run the media so why don't they run the BBC and the whole thing is a misdirection. We've been duped, both of us! Possibly... Here's the President This by the way is sweetened by

CHAPTER 27 / 47 Discussion

Larry Summers, MI6 Espionage Theory

A theory is proposed that the Epstein scandal is less about sexual misconduct and more about international espionage and financial control involving MI6. The discussion points to Larry Summers' roles at the Treasury and Harvard as potential links to a broader network of intelligence-driven blackmail operations centered in the City of London.

larry summers· mi6· harvard· bill clinton· espionage

1:44:23 news nation. This is run through Adobe, this is the president on the plane and this what it sounds like when you run it through Adobe which is well done I mean... It gets choppy here and there? I know nothing about that they would have announced that a long time ago It's really what did he mean when he spent all of his time with Bill Clinton With the President of Harvard who you know without his summers Oh, Larry Summers the president of Harvard. He was with the Treasury Department but he became the President of Harvard later or before or later I can't remember...I'm gonna have to look it up. But you said either before or later Now if you want an MI6 connection Larry Summers when he was a treasury department? Banking City of London

1:45:10 Larry Summers, whatever his name is. And all of the other people that he spent time with. Jeffrey Epstein and I had a very bad relationship for many years but he also saw strength because I was president so he dictated a couple of memos to himself give me a break You're gonna find out what did he know with respect to Bill Clinton, with respect to the head of Harvard. With respect all those people that he knew including JPMorgan Chase Now the JP Morgan chase thing is very interesting because all those doc... no one's talking about it but all other documents came out I think a week or two ago

1:45:47 And JPMorgan Chase, he was like I need $800,000. Okay here it is cash. I need $50,000 give it to that person there was all kinds of suspicious transaction reports being filed anybody would have been kicked out of the bank except for Epstein And so if you listen very carefully to what the president says here, he tells us what we're gonna see. But he also saw strength because I was president So he dictated a couple of memos to himself give me a break You gotta find out What did he know with respect to Bill Clinton? With respect to the head of Harvard with respect all those people that he knew including JP Morgan Chase What did he know? What did he know? It's ehhh

1:46:34 Yeah, maybe. You know Trump does this it's possible I'm gonna read you Larry Summers little bio here or the chronology he was a Harvard president from 2001 to 2006 then he became the United States Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton in 99, well he's there from 99 to 2001 then he became Harvard. Clinton Rhodes Scholar Yeah and is a Democrat yeah Rhodes Scholar yeah then he became the Secretary Undersecretary 95-95 okay so he went from the Treasury to Harvard and then he became the Director of the National Economics Council in 2009 after he left Harvard he was it there from 2001 2006

1:47:18 So he's a Clintonista and he, right. Yeah which brings us back this makes it more English Maybe it's much less about sex stuff and a lot more about espionage control finance finance yeah well hopefully we'll know four more years the one thing that would that I did learn and this is possibly the reason why Bannon was kind of kicked out of Trump's circle. And Bannon, by the way is listed on the group that Massey was talking about the ten people and it was one of them so on the value payments

CHAPTER 28 / 47 Discussion

Valuetainment vs No Agenda, Bannon Media Training

Patrick Bet-David's interview with Michael Wolff revealed that Steve Bannon's 2019 interactions with Jeffrey Epstein were not for a documentary, but rather for media training to prepare Epstein for a hostile "60 Minutes" interview. The segment also discusses the competitive landscape of podcast merchandise, including "No Agenda" branded boots and sneakers.

patrick bet-david· steve bannon· michael wolff· jeffrey epstein· valuetainment

1:48:04 I'm big on, by the way. I've been talking to Justin from the boots and the sneakers snow agenda boots no agenda sneakers Yeah He's all in he says you're gonna have cool stitching on the sneakers with no agenda on it We'll we'll do something cool on the boots Yeah now we're gonna rival the value attainment boys with our stuff. Oh, easily! Which is gonna be cheaper for starters like $599 bucks for shoes We have to consider the cost of these things I mean you can't be... Well and these are made in America not made in Europe Italy? No it's made in Merca baby by Mercans Anyway Yeah we know how to make shoes Sneakers! We invented the sneaker

1:48:51 You know, you need to have your sneakers. Because the PDB is... The Valuetainment are sneakers just with leather looking tops. Anyway onward we'll get to that when we get to it. Now you were making a point before I got distracted about the Valuetainment guy and i have to say i love the PDB the PDB Valuetainment guy because he has Michael Wolff on You're talking about PBD himself. Yeah, PBD himself is talking to Michael Wolff and PBD is like... he's basically I mean if you listen the whole interview He really wanted to buy the tapes! He wants to buy the tapes The 100 hours or whatever that Michael Wolff has and Michael Wolff was not selling But he keeps until he finally... actually at the end he says Oh, I thought you wanted to sell the tape No no, I'm never gonna sell the tape because yeah, I'm sure he's being optioned Hey Brunetti

1:49:40 Brunetti, this is... you got to option this guy. Think about that House of Epstein just a thought house. Oh yeah that's the winner Yeah I mean Fifty Shades of Epstein come on man keep the franchise going So in this conversation it comes up and PBD thinks that Bannon has tapes too And Michael Wolff sets him straight on this and I think this is probably the reason why Bannon was kicked out. With a hundred hours that you have, are there... Is there anything in there? Like let's just say i'm an interested buyer. I would be interested in buying the 100 hours that you have. PBD as a businessman! I want to buy that man! I don't need Brunetti, I can produce it myself in Italy Be interested in buying Bannon's

1:50:35 15 16 hours that he has right I would be interested in both of them how let me just add about Bannon's ban I wouldn't buy them from Bannon if I were you because Bannon does not own them Oh who owns them? I don't know that the yeah Jeffrey Epstein paid for those the estate owns a state owns it so Wow okay So that's that's a new fact he would never be able to use those hours in the documentary yes, and again And again let me let me stress that although Steve who I am personally fond of When someone says that I'm personally fond of you means. I hate you though Steve who I am personally fond of

1:51:14 But Steve's cover here that he was making a documentary about Epstein is 100% not true. I know this because I was there and am fully aware, actually have it on tape of what transpired here and that was Bannon's effort to help Epstein with his legal problems in this would be 2019 when the law was closing in on Epstein and Bannon's suggestion was that Epstein go on national TV to try to perform a mea culpa or explain or humanize himself in some way. And then Bannon offered to help prepare him, so essentially what Bannon was doing was media training he was tutoring

1:52:10 Epstein in how to face a hostile interview on a you know hypothetical 60 minutes. Huh, so Bannon was- Well that's the end of the day Geez, thank you very much. Highly unexpected. So what would a former naval intelligence guy want to do to be helping Epstein with his image in a hypothetical 60 Minutes interview? This reeks of intelligence issues! It reeks of something for one thing Bannon as a

1:52:50 as a image consultant, media advisor. Look at his hair! No! Paint, ban and shave! That's not the guy you want for that so... And perhaps that is the biggest problem is that Because we know that Epstein, you know. Oh he's intelligence You know That's what the what was said during his early prosecution. He's intelligence. He belongs to intelligence Everyone thinks CIA now I think British Intelligence then how close is British Intelligence and naval intelligence? I don't know this just smells of something different

CHAPTER 29 / 47 Discussion

Podcast Independence, Audience Criticism

The hosts address criticism from listeners who accuse them of being "captured" or biased because they do not align with other popular "America First" podcasts. They emphasize their commitment to independent media deconstruction and their refusal to participate in the "log-rolling" culture of the broader podcasting industry.

podcasting· audience feedback· independence· media analysis· chomsky

1:53:32 Sources and methods. I don't know, but I think the whole smokescreen... Yeah? I'm just thinking offhand that Bannon meeting up with Epstein supposedly as a media consultant is really a debriefing. Ooh yeah there you go debriefing yes! Wow! You know it makes things exciting though that's for sure We're the only ones doing this Everyone else is mad just mad You know, I'm stunned that we don't have better support. No this is... We had a look at it as we get into it. This is the place! I do have a report from about the Albany meetup. Why don't we do that now man? It's a good time for but yes when it comes to support and not just financially but just philosophically people are just there people who just hate us

1:54:34 hate us for not being on the same firing line as the other podcasts. We have always just spoken our own mind and people can't believe it when they disagree with us or our opinion, and then we're captured, we're on the take... But nobody can identify who captured us? Well, Jews! Hello?! That's obvious. Hey, with that I want to thank you for your courtesy in the morning. To you the man who put the C in Chomsky on an airplane say hello to my friend on the other end The one and only Mr. John Cena!

CHAPTER 31 / 47 Discussion

Tea Party History, Divide and Conquer Tactics

A retrospective on the Tea Party movement examines how it was allegedly co-opted and destroyed from within by establishment figures like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. The hosts compare this to the current "America First" vs. "MAGA" schism, suggesting it is a classic British "divide and conquer" strategy intended to influence the 2026 midterm elections.

tea party· ron paul· sarah palin· midterms· republican party

1:57:09 It's kept us straight and honest and on the right path for 18 years. It's always a roller coaster, particularly when big issues come around I don't think I've ever quite seen it like this though where there's just so much vitriol out There's a lot more podcasts You know in every we don't go on enough other podcasts mean to go on everyone else's podcast Well, I find that disgusting What do you find disgusting? I mean, I'll do it but I don't because I see these podcasters and they're... Tucker's on this guy's podcast and he's on Tucker's podcast. This is the log rolling kind of thing And they're all of the same... The America first people are the worst Yeah This is..and by the way Fuentes has you know He has this even have a hat

1:57:59 Oh, he has America First hat? Yeah and they're blue. Merch! The merch it's a blue hat instead of red and it says America first is to counter the MAGA hat yeah so this phony baloney schism which by the way was mentioned in those BBC reports we played...the schism between America First and MAGA is bogus It's only on podcast. It's probably... And it's on podcast, yeah! Well the BBC brought it up I'd say it's about a million people who are aware of it and probably 300 thousand who really care that's what I'm thinking That's pretty generous Maybe

1:58:39 But you know, Megan Kelly's doing her... we need to do an arena tour. Well Megan Kelly, Candice Tucker, Fuentes and maybe two or three others Dave Smith perhaps a couple others are all on this America first bandwagon yeah And they're all blowing each other Yeah, we need to get in on that game. And so they're going from their podcast to this podcast and then they're talking about it. They not only doing that they are talking about each other... I know! On one side of the fence and then they talk about the other side of the fence which has got Trump But see this is what happens is that's why and I think

1:59:21 Part of what we're seeing before unfolding before us is they have to keep moving to new topics Because at a certain point people burn out on the Israel thing And it has moved this move from the Israel thing to the back to the Epstein thing and then it'll move to foreign wars and there's kind of a It's a circular thing goes around then around them around in Iraq, and it is one of the oldest in the British playbook is divide and conquer. It kind of happened to the Tea Party, you remember the Tea Party?

2:00:00 They kicked him out. Ron Paul was the first thing, he was the first one to go. He kicked to the curb immediately and I loved Ron Paul! Do you remember that this is during the era of the show? Do you remember when they had one of the first CPAC meetings and that's when the Tea Party was getting very prominent before they kick Ron Paul out and they did a straw poll on who should be president and Ron Paul beat them all by by a large margin. Yeah, and all of sudden Tea Party was taken over by somebody else who took over the tea party? It was that there's one of these Texas congressmen is you know the Texas is loaded with these two faced Republicans who seem like... No kidding! Yeah if you're there yeah more than I know

2:00:44 And was a let me see who took over I can't remember that one guy's name but he and there is then some people from the Northeast also grabbed part of it and the whole thing was destroyed by the from inside out from co-option very standard way of doing it. Ron Paul pretty much says the Republican Party took over but I, it was a certain people It was just a group the old line the RINOs I wouldn't call them they're not really RINO's Wait wait didn't they get taken over by Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman? No no that day came later there was a male in particular who

2:01:21 Started to dominate the tea party thing we'd have to we can do I get will look into it later It's kind of boring Yeah, but the fact is is that this sort of thing is what this divide and conquer in this America first thing. It's part of that It's yeah, it's part of that same same system and that's why you know half these guys are all bitching about I mean they were all they're all in line with complaining about Israel And they're all in line about now complaining about Trump. They all have issues because Trump promised us He promised other guys been an office for less than a year hmm And he supposed to have done this and that Fuentes hates him

2:01:57 Right, but this is all about the midterms. It's all about the true control which will be the House and Senate. My prediction is that Democrats will flip the House, they'll get to House, impeach Trump immediately and what are they going to impeach him on? The Venezuelan boats! That's why it pops up as legal thing. Interesting... Well, that would suck. Yeah because they're just screw everything up and you're going to be back on track to nothing. Nothing we do it We just play those clips from the from the previous two impeachments same stuff. It's yeah Just a waste of time So I'm asking the AIs